# Paul Murray Live | 1 April

An episode of [Paul Murray Live](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/376966263), 1 Apr 2026, 49 min.

Audio: https://p.podderapp.com/2544644999/traffic.omny.fm/d/clips/2fb3740d-3436-44af-8cc0-a91900716aa5/be3abd48-25e5-45a6-aede-ac2a00524a12/47fb473f-9b7b-4638-a30e-b41f00bff05e/audio.mp3?utm_source=Podcast&in_playlist=95971714-8fe6-4855-b1fe-ac2a00524a12

Anthony Albanese touts a whole lot of nothing, Australia's fuel excise halved today. Plus, the Prime Minister's gun buyback scheme is failing. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:00] Speaker 1: From the sky New Center. This is Paul Murray Live.
[0:06] Speaker 1: Thank you, Steve. Happy Wednesday, Come on into the man Cave.
[0:09] Speaker 1: We've got a lot of work to do. They have
[0:11] Speaker 1: doing just half a dozen times when an Australian Prime
[0:14] Speaker 1: Minister has addressed the nation. The first was back in
[0:17] Speaker 1: a radio broadcast in December nineteen forty one, when John
[0:21] Speaker 1: Curtin told us that we were going to war. The
[0:24] Speaker 1: second was post the dismissal and Malcolm Fraser in nineteen
[0:27] Speaker 1: seventy five, a big break before after the Marbo decision
[0:31] Speaker 1: had taken place. Paul Keating explained it to the nation
[0:34] Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety three. A further ten years later, in
[0:38] Speaker 1: two thousand and three, John Howard told us that he
[0:40] Speaker 1: was sending troops to Iraq. And until today, the most
[0:44] Speaker 1: recent one was Scott Morrison in twenty twenty explaining what
[0:49] Speaker 1: was about to be the dark times of COVID. So
[0:52] Speaker 1: when we all heard this about lunchtime today.
[0:57] Speaker 2: The Prime Minister is about to speak directly to Australia
[1:00] Speaker 2: to lay there the response to the Middle East war
[1:03] Speaker 2: and the fuel crisis. In a rare event, the Prime
[1:05] Speaker 2: Minister will deliver a nationwide address.
[1:08] Speaker 3: Some significant news out of Canberra.
[1:10] Speaker 4: The Prime Minister Anthony.
[1:11] Speaker 1: ALBANIZI will deliver and addressed to the nation tonight. So
[1:15] Speaker 1: tired and weary nation, nervous about where are fuel's going
[1:18] Speaker 1: to come from and how long it's going to last.
[1:21] Speaker 1: Gathered around the radio, the mobile phone, the television, whatever
[1:25] Speaker 1: it was. This was blanket everywhere at seven pm Australian
[1:29] Speaker 1: Eastern daylight time. So what did the Prime Minister have
[1:33] Speaker 1: for us?
[1:34] Speaker 5: My fellow Australians. By nature we're an optimistic country, but
[1:39] Speaker 5: I understand that right now it's hard to be positive.
[1:45] Speaker 1: What it gets better? Right?
[1:49] Speaker 5: The war in the Middle East has caused the biggest
[1:51] Speaker 5: spike in petrol and diesel prices in history. Australia is
[1:56] Speaker 5: not an active participant in this war, but all Australia
[2:00] Speaker 5: into paying higher prices because of it.
[2:03] Speaker 1: Sorry that the major announcement. Have you got that for
[2:07] Speaker 1: the country today?
[2:09] Speaker 5: We cut the fuel excise in half, cutting the tax
[2:13] Speaker 5: on every leader of petrol by twenty six cents. Those
[2:17] Speaker 5: savings have started showing up at your petrol station.
[2:21] Speaker 1: No, no, sorry about the announcement. This is a national address,
[2:25] Speaker 1: it's not an interview, it's not a post on social media.
[2:29] Speaker 1: It is something that has been used in the past
[2:31] Speaker 1: to tell us that we are going to war or
[2:34] Speaker 1: going to be stuck in our houses for months to come.
[2:37] Speaker 5: Prime Minister, you should go about your business and your
[2:42] Speaker 5: life as normal. Enjoy your Easter and if you're hitting
[2:45] Speaker 5: the road, don't take more fuel than your need. Just
[2:48] Speaker 5: fill up like you normally would think of others in
[2:52] Speaker 5: your community, in the bush and in critical industries.
[2:56] Speaker 1: So sorry, we had a national address from a prime
[2:59] Speaker 1: minister to tell us nothing that we didn't already know.
[3:04] Speaker 1: Keep calm and carry on was of course a poster
[3:07] Speaker 1: used in London during the war. But this is twenty
[3:11] Speaker 1: twenty six. He said all of this over how many days? Okay,
[3:16] Speaker 1: maybe he's got one last rab it out of the
[3:18] Speaker 1: hat to justify the entire nation being called to a
[3:23] Speaker 1: family meeting.
[3:25] Speaker 5: The months ahead may not be easy. I want to
[3:29] Speaker 5: be upfront about that. No government can promise to eliminate
[3:33] Speaker 5: the pressures that this war is causing. I can promise
[3:38] Speaker 5: we will do everything we can to protect Australia from
[3:41] Speaker 5: the worst of it.
[3:43] Speaker 1: What three minutes, no announcement, nothing new. If you want
[3:51] Speaker 1: to be picky and sure, I will be, on the
[3:53] Speaker 1: one hand, go about your business, but if you can
[3:56] Speaker 1: catch the train because it helps nurses being able to
[4:00] Speaker 1: drive to work. Now, this to me seems like a
[4:06] Speaker 1: prime minister who must be being given some sort of
[4:09] Speaker 1: internal information that the country is not happy with his
[4:12] Speaker 1: response to this situation thus far. And this seems to
[4:16] Speaker 1: be far more about reputation than information, because again every
[4:24] Speaker 1: day in Parliament they tell us how many service stations
[4:27] Speaker 1: have run dry. Every day they were able to hold
[4:30] Speaker 1: a press conference, we were able to know about the
[4:33] Speaker 1: reduction in the fuel tax. Sure a month too late,
[4:37] Speaker 1: but still will knew that that was coming. And then
[4:40] Speaker 1: they keep calm and carry on. He didn't even explain
[4:44] Speaker 1: what the four steps were that we're going through and
[4:46] Speaker 1: what takes us from step number two to step number three. Nothing,
[4:52] Speaker 1: nothing at all, So I'm going to go there. The
[4:56] Speaker 1: only reason the Prime Minister demanded everyone pay attention to
[4:59] Speaker 1: his tonight was not to allay the nation, but to
[5:03] Speaker 1: save his bacon. Why because just over two weeks ago
[5:09] Speaker 1: this was what Australians were thinking when it came to
[5:11] Speaker 1: cost of living. Of course, where the war had already started,
[5:16] Speaker 1: and clearly the single largest group of people. When asked
[5:21] Speaker 1: who do you hold most responsible for rising living costs?
[5:25] Speaker 1: Four out of ten said the Federal government. Not even
[5:29] Speaker 1: half referred to the global factors. And that's why we
[5:33] Speaker 1: got the message that we got today over and over
[5:36] Speaker 1: and over again about global factors. Now, does the Prime
[5:41] Speaker 1: Minister have every right to address the nation? You bet you,
[5:46] Speaker 1: But the expectations where the Prime Minister himself was confronted
[5:49] Speaker 1: by questions in the Parliament tonight saying well, hang on,
[5:52] Speaker 1: what's changed between yesterday and today? And he himself said nothing.
[5:56] Speaker 1: So what was the purpose of this? Is this to
[6:00] Speaker 1: somehow reach beyond the people who don't normally pay attention
[6:03] Speaker 1: to the news. Well, I'll give him and his advisors
[6:06] Speaker 1: the tip. They're already paying attention. They're already aware that
[6:11] Speaker 1: petrol has been going up and has been going way
[6:14] Speaker 1: up since a war that nobody thinks Australia started. But
[6:20] Speaker 1: the precursors as to why we have had two interest
[6:23] Speaker 1: rate rises before a bomb was dropped is because of
[6:26] Speaker 1: the events and the planning and the lack thereof of
[6:29] Speaker 1: this Prime minister. This really should have been followed by written,
[6:34] Speaker 1: spoken and authorized by the Labor Party. This was some
[6:38] Speaker 1: sort of mid campaign address. I repeat this has been
[6:43] Speaker 1: used now half a dozen times. Two of them were
[6:47] Speaker 1: to say that we were committing to a war, one
[6:50] Speaker 1: was about a global pandemic, one was about land rights,
[6:54] Speaker 1: and one was because the country was tearing itself apart
[6:58] Speaker 1: after a sitting prime minister had been sacked by the
[7:00] Speaker 1: Governor General. That's what these speeches are for, not for
[7:05] Speaker 1: a prime minister desperate to save his own backside. But
[7:08] Speaker 1: are we surprised that this is what he's decided to
[7:13] Speaker 1: do now? Some are speculating and we thought we were
[7:17] Speaker 1: going to get some hint of this tonight, that there's
[7:19] Speaker 1: a chance that after Easter all of this gets a
[7:21] Speaker 1: little bit more serious. So maybe he was somehow softening
[7:25] Speaker 1: us up and getting used to the idea of the
[7:27] Speaker 1: fire thide chats. Well, again, the Prime Minister doesn't have
[7:31] Speaker 1: to do that, and a sign of how serious things
[7:35] Speaker 1: are coming. And remember this government told us nothing to
[7:36] Speaker 1: see here in no crisis. The Prime Minister in his
[7:38] Speaker 1: address tonight again wanted to have it both ways. It's
[7:42] Speaker 1: so serious that I need to garner every single bit
[7:47] Speaker 1: of radio and television spectrum. I need to be live
[7:50] Speaker 1: on every possible social media platform at once, because we
[7:54] Speaker 1: all need to learn about what's going on together. But
[7:57] Speaker 1: we didn't learn a damn thing. Someone who did ratchet
[8:02] Speaker 1: it up today is the Western Australian Premier, Roger Cook.
[8:06] Speaker 1: Now he made an announcement today that would be more
[8:09] Speaker 1: akin to what people were expecting of the Prime Minister tonight.
[8:14] Speaker 1: In Western Australia, they have issued a state of emergency.
[8:18] Speaker 1: Now this doesn't mean that there's going to be fuel
[8:19] Speaker 1: rationing tomorrow, but it means the state government has greater
[8:22] Speaker 1: powers to be able to make sure that fuel is
[8:25] Speaker 1: going to flow. And before that announcement was made, the
[8:29] Speaker 1: Chief of Police in Western Australia gave us an insight
[8:33] Speaker 1: into how potential rationing would work. Why is the information
[8:36] Speaker 1: coming with the greatest of respect from the head of
[8:39] Speaker 1: Police in Western Australia, not the Prime Minister who demanded
[8:43] Speaker 1: your attention, the whole country's attention tonight.
[8:48] Speaker 6: Rationing then talks about well, who needs it when and
[8:51] Speaker 6: how often can you get it? And that might be
[8:53] Speaker 6: down to number plates, or it could be names or yeah.
[8:55] Speaker 2: So like if your number plate ends in an even number,
[8:57] Speaker 2: these are your fuel days.
[8:59] Speaker 1: We do it for war.
[9:00] Speaker 6: Correct, and look, I want to be very clear, it's
[9:03] Speaker 6: not the time to panic now.
[9:06] Speaker 1: And by the way, if you think that it's me
[9:07] Speaker 1: who always marks the Prime Minister's homework with an f
[9:11] Speaker 1: the websites that have normally given him free cover are
[9:15] Speaker 1: the ones tonight saying yeah, this could have been in
[9:17] Speaker 1: an email.
[9:18] Speaker 7: I e.
[9:18] Speaker 1: Why did this happen? Why did this take place? Now,
[9:23] Speaker 1: when you press the big red button for moments like this,
[9:26] Speaker 1: you want everyone to pay attention. You do not want
[9:29] Speaker 1: a scenario of people looking the other way because it's
[9:33] Speaker 1: a little bit the boy who cried wolf. Now, this
[9:35] Speaker 1: situation is serious. It will get worse before it gets better.
[9:39] Speaker 1: And yes it is because of the events that are
[9:41] Speaker 1: happening in the Middle East, of which Australia is not
[9:43] Speaker 1: involved in. But if the Prime Minister is going to
[9:46] Speaker 1: do what he did tonight, he should have brought a
[9:48] Speaker 1: whole lot more to the table than the garbage that
[9:50] Speaker 1: really was about fixing politics, rather than giving the nation
[9:55] Speaker 1: a clear idea about what happens next week, the week after,
[9:59] Speaker 1: the week after that. Because this thing well has got
[10:03] Speaker 1: a very very long way to go. And like many Australians,
[10:08] Speaker 1: I was not exactly inspired by the bloke who was
[10:10] Speaker 1: in charge of the show tonight. Meantime, the fuel prices
[10:16] Speaker 1: have started to flow. As I said last night, I
[10:19] Speaker 1: hope that those fuel companies were able to pass it
[10:21] Speaker 1: on as soon as that tax rates started to fall.
[10:24] Speaker 1: Why because this is not money that goes to buying fuel.
[10:29] Speaker 1: This is money that they have to store to go
[10:31] Speaker 1: to the government. It is a disgrace to the government.
[10:33] Speaker 1: Takes fifty two cents, elita, especially for the past month,
[10:37] Speaker 1: that of course now falls down to twenty six sense elita.
[10:40] Speaker 1: Here are some drivers talking to TV shows earlier today.
[10:44] Speaker 4: This is fantastic.
[10:45] Speaker 1: Hey, god Ony, Anthony, you're a good man.
[10:48] Speaker 2: Do you think the authorities are doing enough that I
[10:50] Speaker 2: think so?
[10:51] Speaker 1: Don't blue their wane? All right? Well? Six seven fifty fifty.
[10:56] Speaker 1: And the government, in the normal way of communicating, which
[10:59] Speaker 1: is to walk into a room with the assembled nations press,
[11:04] Speaker 1: is also pleased that the numbers are starting to fall
[11:06] Speaker 1: by the margin that they should have by this time
[11:10] Speaker 1: after the cut that took place at midnight.
[11:13] Speaker 8: The impact of our exercise cut will be something like
[11:16] Speaker 8: nineteen dollars per sixty five liters tank.
[11:21] Speaker 1: Now, as you know, I like to pay attention to
[11:23] Speaker 1: the detail that often turns up as a story a
[11:25] Speaker 1: little bit later. And when it turns up a little
[11:27] Speaker 1: bit later, a lot of people are shocked and horrified.
[11:30] Speaker 1: Right perfect example, Remember how many months ago was I
[11:33] Speaker 1: was talking about the expanding of the parliament that thankfully
[11:35] Speaker 1: has now been bopped on the head. Or here's another one.
[11:38] Speaker 1: I'm going to give you the inside word. It's not
[11:40] Speaker 1: a scoop, it's not an exclusive. It happened at a
[11:41] Speaker 1: press conference, but it is something that is going to
[11:44] Speaker 1: become a noteworthy topic in the next little while. Now
[11:48] Speaker 1: parliament is done until the budget. The budget doesn't happen
[11:53] Speaker 1: until the second week in May, so the parliament will
[11:57] Speaker 1: not be sitting. Politicians all go back to their communities.
[12:00] Speaker 1: But the capacity for the government to pass a piece
[12:02] Speaker 1: of legislation doesn't exist, or to be able to get
[12:05] Speaker 1: its hands on some quick money. Again, it doesn't happen.
[12:11] Speaker 1: But interestingly, there is a petty cash tin for the
[12:14] Speaker 1: Australian federal government and it is the Finance Minister having
[12:17] Speaker 1: instant access to one b four billion dollars For Jim Charmers,
[12:22] Speaker 1: the Treasurer made an interesting announcement this week, which is
[12:26] Speaker 1: that he is going to increase the amount in petty
[12:28] Speaker 1: cash immediately available to the government to spend that very
[12:31] Speaker 1: day from one to three billion dollars, so they don't
[12:37] Speaker 1: have to ask Parliament for the money.
[12:40] Speaker 8: Obviously after Wednesday, the Parliament does not sit for a
[12:43] Speaker 8: number of weeks until the budget period, and so this
[12:47] Speaker 8: is once again a responsible step. It is a contingency
[12:51] Speaker 8: to take that advance to the Finance Minister from one
[12:54] Speaker 8: to three billion dollars to allow us to allow us
[12:57] Speaker 8: to respond quickly how should the need arise?
[13:00] Speaker 1: Three billion dollars is an awful lot of response. Now,
[13:04] Speaker 1: of course it could just be a quick sort of
[13:07] Speaker 1: fifty dollars for everyone scenario. It could of course be
[13:12] Speaker 1: for money to guarantee that fuel supplies will be able
[13:14] Speaker 1: to come to Australia. But three billion dollars worth. This
[13:19] Speaker 1: feels a little bit like those moments where in a
[13:21] Speaker 1: federal budget there is a line item mean it could
[13:24] Speaker 1: be saved twelve billion dollars and it says decisions taken
[13:27] Speaker 1: yet not announced or not yet announced, I think is
[13:30] Speaker 1: the exact language. Is that what's playing here where for
[13:33] Speaker 1: some reason there's three billion dollars that is sitting there,
[13:36] Speaker 1: three billion dollars. Of course a borrowed money. Why because
[13:39] Speaker 1: we're in a deficit. That's more money than by the
[13:41] Speaker 1: way they are giving up when it comes to the
[13:45] Speaker 1: petrol excise. Remember this was Drongo economics. Well, what is
[13:48] Speaker 1: it that we've just got three billion dollars in petty cash?
[13:52] Speaker 1: The treasure will say that it's good planning, and it
[13:54] Speaker 1: may well be for the rainy day. But if you
[13:57] Speaker 1: are simultaneously adding the best part of five billion dollars
[14:03] Speaker 1: maybe five and a half billion dollars to the federal deficit,
[14:06] Speaker 1: well then we probably should take note. So we've taken
[14:10] Speaker 1: note three billion dollars and the Finance Minister can spend it. However,
[14:15] Speaker 1: she wants now to another step, a stuff up of
[14:21] Speaker 1: this government, so that three times, especially when you've got
[14:23] Speaker 1: a little bit of a cold like I do, sorry
[14:24] Speaker 1: for the voice this evening. You remember that the first
[14:28] Speaker 1: instinct of the Prime Minister post the massacre in Bondai
[14:31] Speaker 1: was not to talk about hate speech laws, was of
[14:34] Speaker 1: course not to have a Royal commission, but instead it
[14:36] Speaker 1: was about going after guns, making it even harder for
[14:40] Speaker 1: legal gun owners and getting together with all of the
[14:44] Speaker 1: states around the country to do what John Howard had
[14:47] Speaker 1: done as a result of the Port Arthur massacre and
[14:50] Speaker 1: have a multi million dollar gun buyback. You may remember
[14:54] Speaker 1: the announcement just before Christmas.
[14:57] Speaker 5: Today I'm also announcing that the government will have it's
[15:00] Speaker 5: abbish a national gun buyback scheme to purchase surplus newly
[15:05] Speaker 5: banned and illegal firearms, the largest buyback since the Howard
[15:09] Speaker 5: government initiated one in nineteen ninety six. We expect hundreds
[15:13] Speaker 5: of thousands of firearms will be collected and destroyed through
[15:16] Speaker 5: this scheme.
[15:18] Speaker 1: Well, guess what. Nothing is happening. Why because all of
[15:23] Speaker 1: the states and territories have not agreed to it. The
[15:26] Speaker 1: Prime Minister when he made that announcement again the nineteenth
[15:29] Speaker 1: of December, and now we sit on the first of
[15:32] Speaker 1: April pinching to punch everyone. The government deadline was the
[15:38] Speaker 1: end of March for everyone to sign up to this,
[15:40] Speaker 1: but only four jurisdictions that've been states and territories have
[15:44] Speaker 1: signed up to the government's gun buyback scheme. Western Australia
[15:48] Speaker 1: has already completed their own buyback. Tasmania is currently administering
[15:51] Speaker 1: one new supphals and the Act they're signed on, so
[15:54] Speaker 1: that's your four places. Victoria hasn't signed on. The Premier
[15:58] Speaker 1: is apparently non committal it waiting for a rapid review
[16:01] Speaker 1: of existing laws to be handed down, so Victoria is
[16:04] Speaker 1: not involved in this. South Australia is also not involved
[16:08] Speaker 1: in it. In fact, of the days before the South
[16:10] Speaker 1: a Stralian election last month, Premier Peter Malanowskis reportedly told
[16:13] Speaker 1: the gun lobby that he would not tighten gun laws
[16:15] Speaker 1: despite agreeing to a federal crackdown. Queensland have said no,
[16:21] Speaker 1: along with the Northern Territory they've said no, and Tasmania
[16:24] Speaker 1: seems to have been counted twice a yere about whether
[16:26] Speaker 1: they are in or whether they are not in. They
[16:32] Speaker 1: say that all of this is going to cost too much.
[16:35] Speaker 1: So the states that have already signed up, does that
[16:38] Speaker 1: system still go ahead or are we in a scenario
[16:42] Speaker 1: where the states and territories that have already passed new
[16:45] Speaker 1: tougher gun laws where they have the right to take
[16:46] Speaker 1: them off you, but you're not going to be compensated
[16:49] Speaker 1: for it. This is something that we will talk about
[16:52] Speaker 1: again a little bit later in the show. And I
[16:54] Speaker 1: promised you we're going to keep across in the coming
[16:57] Speaker 1: weeks and months. If you have more info about this,
[16:59] Speaker 1: send me as email at Portsguynews dot com dot I.
[17:02] Speaker 1: You remember, the big gun buyback of twenty twenty six
[17:05] Speaker 1: was supposed to be like the one that happened in
[17:07] Speaker 1: nineteen ninety six. But are we surprised that the Prime Minister,
[17:13] Speaker 1: who of course was responsible for putting a Royal commission
[17:17] Speaker 1: in place that won't look into anything as to BONDI
[17:20] Speaker 1: and therefore why the Royal Commission was in place, has
[17:23] Speaker 1: now not been able to pull together the only idea
[17:26] Speaker 1: he actually had, and that of course was a gun buyback. Now,
[17:34] Speaker 1: I want to get to Victoria now because they're ear
[17:37] Speaker 1: is quite a stench about the way things work in
[17:40] Speaker 1: Victoria now. People have often spoken about a thing called
[17:42] Speaker 1: gray corruption. Now this is where essentially one party stays
[17:46] Speaker 1: in for too long and every single job is filled
[17:48] Speaker 1: over and over and over and over and over, until
[17:50] Speaker 1: every layer of government essentially has loyalty to the party
[17:53] Speaker 1: or loyalty certainly too the dear leader now, the dear
[17:57] Speaker 1: leader previously, of course was Daniel Andrews, and there has
[18:00] Speaker 1: been an investigation which has been happening for some time
[18:04] Speaker 1: by the Corruption Commission in Victoria. Now let me be
[18:10] Speaker 1: very clear and not suggesting that Daniel Andrews is responsible
[18:12] Speaker 1: for any form of corruption here, but I will read
[18:14] Speaker 1: along with the headline here from the Herald Sun which says
[18:17] Speaker 1: corruption report into Daniel Andrews to be made public before
[18:20] Speaker 1: the state election. The detail is also important to read
[18:23] Speaker 1: to you. Findings from a major corruption investigation involving former
[18:28] Speaker 1: Premier Daniel Andrews is said to be finally made public
[18:30] Speaker 1: ahead of this year's state election. Operation Richmond has been
[18:33] Speaker 1: one of the most secretive operations in the history of
[18:35] Speaker 1: IBAC and has involved scores of witnesses being called before
[18:39] Speaker 1: secret hearings. The investigation is understood to a probe the
[18:43] Speaker 1: United Firefighters Union's role in the amalgamation with the Metropolitan
[18:48] Speaker 1: Fire Brigade and Country Fire Authority into the Services Victoria.
[18:52] Speaker 1: We're talking about something that way back when I think
[18:54] Speaker 1: when I made the ghost was the Prime Minister. It
[18:58] Speaker 1: is understood to a begun after a comple was lodged
[19:01] Speaker 1: with IBACK by the same opposition, alleging misconduct on the
[19:04] Speaker 1: behalf of the government in its dealings with the union. Interestingly,
[19:09] Speaker 1: the Victorian Nationals were the ones talking about this today.
[19:13] Speaker 9: This has been going on, dragging on forever in a
[19:15] Speaker 9: day and everyone is waiting to see whether it's whether
[19:19] Speaker 9: it's ever actually going to be released, and I think
[19:21] Speaker 9: we need to have Iback do that as quickly as
[19:23] Speaker 9: possible in the interest of transparency. They need to update
[19:26] Speaker 9: Victorians on where it's at.
[19:28] Speaker 1: And a reminder that we are going to be doing
[19:30] Speaker 1: a pub test in the seat of Farah. Now I'll
[19:33] Speaker 1: tell you upfront, I'm going to be away for the
[19:34] Speaker 1: next couple of weeks. We're going to be doing something special,
[19:37] Speaker 1: filming something special. So I want to get all the
[19:40] Speaker 1: plugs in now, which is if you can join us
[19:42] Speaker 1: for the Fara pub test. Remember, this's a big test
[19:46] Speaker 1: of one nation, of the Libs, of the Nats and
[19:49] Speaker 1: whether or not as the book he suggest a community
[19:52] Speaker 1: Independent otherwise known as a country teal. She wouldn't call
[19:56] Speaker 1: herself that, but we will for note taking. They will
[19:59] Speaker 1: all be there, one nation, the Liberal Party, the Independent
[20:02] Speaker 1: and the National Party. Tell me if you can make it. Tuesday,
[20:05] Speaker 1: May the fifth. Aubrey Beautiful Aubrey pop puptest at skyliess
[20:09] Speaker 1: dot com that are you. We want to fill the room.
[20:11] Speaker 1: We're almost there, but I want to get it done
[20:13] Speaker 1: tonight before I bugger off for a couple of weeks
[20:16] Speaker 1: and do this special secret project that I guarantee you're
[20:20] Speaker 1: going to like when I'm able to tell you more
[20:21] Speaker 1: about it. Make sure your name, contact details, how many
[20:25] Speaker 1: tickets and what's a question that you want to ask? Okay,
[20:27] Speaker 1: now it'll be up to me whether the question is
[20:29] Speaker 1: asked by one or all, but I just want as
[20:31] Speaker 1: many questions as possible, including with some local knowledge. Right Tuesday,
[20:35] Speaker 1: fifth pup test at skydiess dot com dot au. Dantean
[20:39] Speaker 1: is the Shadow Energy Ministry. He joins US now from
[20:41] Speaker 1: Canberra for his response to the Prime Ministers. I are
[20:43] Speaker 1: so urgent and need to gather everyone around the kitchen
[20:47] Speaker 1: table to say nothing. Dan.
[20:52] Speaker 10: It was like a late April fools Day prank, Paul. Seriously,
[20:58] Speaker 10: we had the Western Australian saying that they're going to
[21:01] Speaker 10: put emergency fuel laws in place earlier today, and then
[21:06] Speaker 10: the Prime Minister comes onto our screens tonight and says nothing.
[21:11] Speaker 3: There, and they're worse. What is worse is he makes.
[21:15] Speaker 10: No commitment for transparency and it's the lack of transparency
[21:19] Speaker 10: which is causing all the anxiety and all the fear
[21:23] Speaker 10: in the community. No commitment that will update you daily
[21:27] Speaker 10: on what our fuel supplies are, where there are shortages,
[21:30] Speaker 10: where are the locations, what the status of ships are,
[21:33] Speaker 10: where the ships are being canceled, what our stockholdings are,
[21:37] Speaker 10: the locations of those stockholdings.
[21:39] Speaker 1: Nothing like that.
[21:41] Speaker 10: It was nothing more than some sort of attempt at reassurance.
[21:47] Speaker 10: And I think people would be sitting there tonight just
[21:50] Speaker 10: thinking what was that all about.
[21:52] Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I mean I've got plenty of mates in
[21:54] Speaker 1: IFM radio world and they decided to follow the lead
[21:56] Speaker 1: and put all of this up and on the radio tonight.
[22:00] Speaker 1: My phone started to blow up. People what was this about?
[22:03] Speaker 1: What's going on here? Because this has said in the
[22:05] Speaker 1: previous occasions, it's been about prime ministers telling us we're
[22:08] Speaker 1: going off to war. It's happened after the Marlboe decision,
[22:10] Speaker 1: It's happened after the beginning of COVID. This is as
[22:16] Speaker 1: big a red button as a prime minister gets to press. Again.
[22:20] Speaker 1: I'm glad that we're not rationing fuel tonight, But if
[22:23] Speaker 1: the Prime minister had nothing to tell the country that
[22:26] Speaker 1: was any different than what we woke up to this morning.
[22:29] Speaker 1: Then why the hell did he do it?
[22:33] Speaker 10: Well, that's the big question I think everyone will be
[22:36] Speaker 10: asking tomorrow. I mean, he had the Parliament today where
[22:40] Speaker 10: he could have done exactly the same thing and not
[22:43] Speaker 10: troubled everyone by declaring that there was something important that
[22:47] Speaker 10: was going to be said at seven o'clock tonight. And
[22:51] Speaker 10: the thing I don't understand is why he won't come
[22:54] Speaker 10: clean about what is happening. Because we know there's over
[22:58] Speaker 10: six hundred serve stations without fuel, we know there's issues
[23:03] Speaker 10: with supply, we know now that Western Australia has an
[23:06] Speaker 10: emergency fuel declaration in place.
[23:09] Speaker 3: Yet the Prime.
[23:10] Speaker 10: Minister is saying there's nothing to see here, carry on
[23:13] Speaker 10: with easter, like you know, nothing's happening. None of it
[23:18] Speaker 10: makes sense. The failure of leadership since the Iran war
[23:21] Speaker 10: started five weeks ago is quite extraordinary. This seemed to
[23:25] Speaker 10: be an attempt to try and catch up. But I
[23:28] Speaker 10: don't think he reassured anyone in the end.
[23:30] Speaker 11: No.
[23:30] Speaker 1: Well, as I pointed to at the start of the show,
[23:32] Speaker 1: I think there's some polling and perceptions here which is
[23:34] Speaker 1: trying to change. Here and again nobody thinks the federal
[23:36] Speaker 1: government is responsible for the increase in the cost of petrol. That,
[23:40] Speaker 1: of course is what's happened overseas. They should have cut
[23:43] Speaker 1: the tax a lot earlier. Okay, fine, but they've now
[23:46] Speaker 1: done that. But let's talk about the transparency and about
[23:49] Speaker 1: the type of information, because one thing that I certainly
[23:51] Speaker 1: don't want to happen is I don't want the repeat
[23:53] Speaker 1: of the ten o'clock COVID press conference where each and
[23:56] Speaker 1: every day somebody gets to stand up and not answer
[23:59] Speaker 1: a question, but they say, well, there's this many leaders
[24:01] Speaker 1: and this many stations. But it felt like that probably
[24:06] Speaker 1: for the best part of a week. Chris Bowen, at least,
[24:08] Speaker 1: when he was asked a question in the Parliament would
[24:10] Speaker 1: stand up and say this is how many stations. But
[24:13] Speaker 1: I was expecting tonight the Prime Minister, as part of
[24:15] Speaker 1: a reassurance, to say, look, there are this many thousand
[24:18] Speaker 1: liters of this five weeks ago and it's exactly the
[24:21] Speaker 1: same now, so relax. So what is the information that
[24:25] Speaker 1: government does have access to and how do you think
[24:28] Speaker 1: it should be coming out? Should it be a website,
[24:30] Speaker 1: real time, once a day press conference, what will satisfy
[24:35] Speaker 1: you in terms of that transparency, Well, really, anything, Paul,
[24:41] Speaker 1: whether it's a website, whether it's the fuels are that
[24:44] Speaker 1: they've put in place, Just any form of transparency on
[24:48] Speaker 1: a daily basis I think would be welcomed by the
[24:51] Speaker 1: Australian people. For instance, we're hearing from industry, from the
[24:57] Speaker 1: petroleum industry, that contracts are being canceled, the chips are
[25:01] Speaker 1: being canceled, the supplies getting tight. Yet we hear nothing
[25:06] Speaker 1: of that information from the government. So why don't they
[25:09] Speaker 1: tell us how many ships are on the water, how
[25:12] Speaker 1: many have been canceled.
[25:14] Speaker 3: That would be a great start.
[25:15] Speaker 10: And then tell us where the shortages are here in Australia.
[25:19] Speaker 10: We've had Western Australia declare a national fuel emergency today.
[25:24] Speaker 10: Now they're doing that because there's shortages. The fuel isn't
[25:27] Speaker 10: getting where it needs to go. So why not tell
[25:30] Speaker 10: us where the stockholdings are, where the shortages are, and
[25:33] Speaker 10: then what you're doing to get the fuel there. That's
[25:36] Speaker 10: just logical, it's transparent, and it means when Australians are
[25:40] Speaker 10: going about their business, they know that the government has
[25:44] Speaker 10: this situation under control. And it's the only reason I
[25:47] Speaker 10: can think of is why the Prime Minister spoke to
[25:51] Speaker 10: us as tonight because he knows they don't have it
[25:54] Speaker 10: under control yet he's there trying to reassure us. Well,
[25:57] Speaker 10: eventually the penny's going to drop, going to get found
[26:00] Speaker 10: out now. The best thing would be for him to
[26:03] Speaker 10: be upfront and transparent now because one thing it would do,
[26:07] Speaker 10: it would ease the concern in the Australian community at
[26:10] Speaker 10: the moment about the price of fuel and about the
[26:14] Speaker 10: lack of supply at stations because they just think the
[26:17] Speaker 10: government does not.
[26:18] Speaker 1: Have a handle on it at the moment. Well absolutely again,
[26:22] Speaker 1: everyone gather around, there's nothing to see here. Sorry what Danteine?
[26:26] Speaker 1: I do appreciate it mate. All the best and happyest
[26:28] Speaker 1: to you and your family.
[26:31] Speaker 3: Same to you, Paul.
[26:32] Speaker 1: Thanks with stuff, Dantee and there the shadow Energy Minister.
[26:36] Speaker 1: This is a face what we saw tonight. Do you agree?
[26:39] Speaker 1: Jump on the Facebook page or send me an email. Paul.
[26:42] Speaker 1: It's gonews dot com dot are you. I look forward
[26:44] Speaker 1: to us discussing this next with Stephen Conroy and Lucy's Ellick.
[26:47] Speaker 1: We are just getting started. The wonderful Meghan Kelly. Before
[26:50] Speaker 1: we are done tonight. I'm telling you you're in the
[26:52] Speaker 1: right place. Paul Murray Live on a Wednesday night, Thanks
[26:54] Speaker 1: for watching, Thank you so much for watching. Let's get
[27:00] Speaker 1: into it right now. Former Labor government minister and doesn't
[27:02] Speaker 1: have a good job ahead of him tonight other than
[27:04] Speaker 1: Steven Conroy. He's just here to help Lucy Zella, She
[27:08] Speaker 1: joins us. Now I would otherwise have her in the
[27:09] Speaker 1: man cave, but I do not want to get what
[27:11] Speaker 1: I currently have and give it to anyone else. So Lucy,
[27:14] Speaker 1: you are standing right in front of the goal. You've
[27:16] Speaker 1: got three quarters to go, and you can take as
[27:18] Speaker 1: many free kicks as you want. Because that was ridiculous
[27:22] Speaker 1: from the Prime Minister. I get the message, but why
[27:24] Speaker 1: did we all have to be gathered around the crystal
[27:27] Speaker 1: set to be told nothing to see here?
[27:30] Speaker 2: It just felt like Daniel's direct commercial, remember those I
[27:34] Speaker 2: was waiting for him to bust out a vacuum cleaner
[27:37] Speaker 2: and start telling us how that worked as well.
[27:39] Speaker 4: I mean, it was just so disappointing.
[27:41] Speaker 2: And I guess there had been so much build up
[27:43] Speaker 2: and anticipation because historically, and you pointed to them tonight, Pauly,
[27:47] Speaker 2: we have come to expect that when a Prime Minister
[27:50] Speaker 2: declares that he is going to give a national address
[27:52] Speaker 2: that there is going to be either new information or
[27:55] Speaker 2: starkly important information that is really going to matter to
[27:58] Speaker 2: the Australian people. He told us nothing that we haven't
[28:02] Speaker 2: seen him screeching on the floors of Parliament. The fact
[28:05] Speaker 2: that it's now kind of this mixed messaging which we've
[28:08] Speaker 2: had to get very used to unfortunately under this government.
[28:11] Speaker 2: You know, go and enjoy your Easter, but then hey,
[28:14] Speaker 2: by the way, maybe you can catch the bus or
[28:17] Speaker 2: jump on you know, jump on the train. I mean,
[28:19] Speaker 2: it just feels like there are so many attempts to
[28:22] Speaker 2: not just chase the polls seeing that his popularity is
[28:25] Speaker 2: sinking and declining in the eyes of the Australian voters,
[28:29] Speaker 2: but also that it's just it's a very weak government
[28:32] Speaker 2: that has really failed at almost every front to show
[28:36] Speaker 2: some true and honest leadership in this situation.
[28:40] Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, Stephen, it doesn't surprise anyone that I
[28:43] Speaker 1: couldn't mark his homework harder. But honestly, this was one
[28:47] Speaker 1: of those moments where you're trying to get everyone around
[28:49] Speaker 1: and Okay, yes, there are some people that don't pay
[28:51] Speaker 1: attention to the news. But the idea that you go
[28:55] Speaker 1: to a place that previously has been as I've shown
[28:57] Speaker 1: before half a dozen times used for the whole highest
[29:00] Speaker 1: possible stakes to say nothing bewildering to me, But what
[29:05] Speaker 1: is labor world saying about the greatest speech of all
[29:07] Speaker 1: time by this wartime leader.
[29:10] Speaker 7: Look, I think both you and Lucy have made the
[29:13] Speaker 7: same point, which is very relevant.
[29:15] Speaker 3: Just because the three of US.
[29:17] Speaker 7: Political tragics watch Question Time each day and to borrow
[29:21] Speaker 7: Lucy's frais screeching in Parliament doesn't mean the vast majority
[29:26] Speaker 7: of Australians watch question thank God for their own sanity.
[29:33] Speaker 7: So I think it was important that the prime ministers
[29:37] Speaker 7: sent a reassuring message. Firstly, that the coag was held
[29:42] Speaker 7: the Premiers and the Prime Minis to have a plan.
[29:45] Speaker 3: That's the first thing to say.
[29:46] Speaker 7: Directly down the camera to all Australians who would have
[29:49] Speaker 7: been tuned in tonight. That's the first and most important thing.
[29:54] Speaker 7: We just can't assume that everyone pays attention like weather. Secondly,
[30:00] Speaker 7: most Australians don't support the war in Iran and they
[30:04] Speaker 7: don't support Donald Trump, and it is almost impossible to
[30:10] Speaker 7: know on a daily basis how long this conflict may take.
[30:17] Speaker 3: It could be over tomorrow. Trump might announce tomorrow.
[30:20] Speaker 7: That he's done a deal with whatever he describes as
[30:23] Speaker 7: the leadership of Iran and the crisis is over and
[30:26] Speaker 7: the straits are open.
[30:28] Speaker 1: He could also say that they just need announce.
[30:30] Speaker 3: Tomorrow that he's pulling out.
[30:33] Speaker 7: Yeah, that he's pulling out and someone else's problem, and
[30:37] Speaker 7: the straits are going to be closed for the foreseeable future.
[30:40] Speaker 3: Now, both of those could be announced tomorrow.
[30:43] Speaker 7: So it is it is important to send a reassuring
[30:46] Speaker 7: message that in these pretty crazy times, he just.
[30:52] Speaker 2: Don't wait to see Why not wait to see what
[30:55] Speaker 2: Donald Trump, who is very much in control of this,
[31:00] Speaker 2: see what he's going to say, rather than, you know,
[31:02] Speaker 2: getting everybody to tune in for three minutes of nothing.
[31:06] Speaker 7: Well be as I said, there was a reassurance that
[31:10] Speaker 7: the government, the federal government, are ready to act depending
[31:14] Speaker 7: on circumstances and act in concert with the States. I
[31:17] Speaker 7: think that was an important message. Or Australia should be
[31:21] Speaker 7: at here now.
[31:23] Speaker 4: Yes, they should have been acting few weeks ago.
[31:25] Speaker 3: They've they've just cut the excite, they've just cut the exit.
[31:28] Speaker 7: Look, I'm sorry, list I'm going to have to disagree
[31:30] Speaker 7: with you on this one. On a daily basis, Donald
[31:33] Speaker 7: Trump says the wars either on or off. It is
[31:36] Speaker 7: very hard when you know you'll be getting information from
[31:40] Speaker 7: you know, the State Department, the Pentagon, everyone will be
[31:44] Speaker 7: feeding information into the government.
[31:47] Speaker 2: Change it on take and adopt a more isolationist view.
[31:50] Speaker 2: Steve and I, as an Australian, I'm looking to my
[31:53] Speaker 2: Prime minister. I'm looking to the man in command of
[31:56] Speaker 2: this country. And we understand the domino effect of what
[32:00] Speaker 2: attacking Iran under President Trump and Israel's leadership has you.
[32:04] Speaker 4: Know the effects of that.
[32:05] Speaker 2: But I'm looking to my Prime minister for leadership about
[32:08] Speaker 2: how he's going to address what's going on here.
[32:12] Speaker 1: I mean, this is this and this is to me
[32:13] Speaker 1: why the threshold he's actually just but yeah, this is
[32:17] Speaker 1: where the threshold of tonight was about breaking through rather
[32:22] Speaker 1: than just a repetition. I mean a repetition is essentially again,
[32:26] Speaker 1: it felt more like, you know, the distilling of a
[32:28] Speaker 1: message in an election campaign as opposed to you know,
[32:31] Speaker 1: taking us through these great moments of history. And I
[32:33] Speaker 1: think it is as much to do with again, those
[32:36] Speaker 1: perceptions and polls about the government's responsibility for inflation. Again,
[32:42] Speaker 1: there is a very significant story to be told before
[32:44] Speaker 1: a bomb was dropped, and that's why we have two
[32:46] Speaker 1: interest rate rises. But everything after, yeah, it is of
[32:49] Speaker 1: course connected back through to the war. But when we
[32:51] Speaker 1: talk about working with the states, Stephen again here, So
[32:56] Speaker 1: there's the tax on the tax, which in and of
[32:58] Speaker 1: itself I don't even understand how that's legal. But we
[33:00] Speaker 1: end up with this scenario where you already pay your
[33:03] Speaker 1: tax on fuel and then GST on top of it. Now,
[33:06] Speaker 1: the assumption being that there's been an increase in the
[33:10] Speaker 1: amount of money that's collected in GST because the overall
[33:13] Speaker 1: cost of the fuel has increased, and some sort of
[33:17] Speaker 1: arrangement or deal or plea had been made by the
[33:19] Speaker 1: Prime minister for either the States to hand that money
[33:23] Speaker 1: back or somehow put it into something else. But we're
[33:25] Speaker 1: in a scenario now where well, the States are just
[33:28] Speaker 1: going to bank the money and presumably the system means
[33:30] Speaker 1: that they keep sitting pretty here. So are we not
[33:34] Speaker 1: back to that central floor which has been exposed by
[33:36] Speaker 1: national cabinet now regardless of who the Prime minister is,
[33:39] Speaker 1: but it team Red or Team Blue that states will
[33:41] Speaker 1: always do whatever they want to do, and if that
[33:43] Speaker 1: means screwing the Feds, they'll do it.
[33:47] Speaker 9: Well.
[33:47] Speaker 7: Look, firstly, the Feds control the money. The money comes
[33:50] Speaker 7: to them first, it doesn't know to the States, so
[33:53] Speaker 7: they can just withhold it and give it back through
[33:58] Speaker 7: different mechanisms. The greed of the states, you know, Paul Keating,
[34:02] Speaker 7: I think pamsy said never stand between a premier and
[34:05] Speaker 7: a bucket full of money, and this is the case.
[34:07] Speaker 7: I mean, they all want the federal government to do something,
[34:09] Speaker 7: then when they're asked to make a contribution to it,
[34:11] Speaker 7: they all start being greedy and self serving. So then
[34:16] Speaker 7: it wouldn't matter if it was Scott Morrison. Yeah, it
[34:19] Speaker 7: wouldn't matter if it was Scott Morris on the parent
[34:21] Speaker 7: We should just stand the states up on this one.
[34:23] Speaker 7: They're not getting the money, we're not collecting the money
[34:25] Speaker 7: where we're giving it back in one.
[34:27] Speaker 3: Way or another.
[34:27] Speaker 7: So you know, sometimes the states, you know, liking COVID, Yeah,
[34:33] Speaker 7: they were doing different things and we wanted national coordination
[34:36] Speaker 7: and they're saying we don't want rationing unless it's on
[34:38] Speaker 7: a national basis. I mean, you just got to listen
[34:40] Speaker 7: to them, so you get them in a room, they
[34:42] Speaker 7: agree to a plan, then they get greedy afterwards, I
[34:45] Speaker 7: mean fair and income stop it.
[34:47] Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, and also Lucy, as we remember from five
[34:50] Speaker 1: years ago, dear God, of course you know they'll agree
[34:53] Speaker 1: to something in the room then flip it the other
[34:55] Speaker 1: way because there's there's the politics in it. But again,
[34:57] Speaker 1: majority of the states are labor governments, right, the federal
[35:01] Speaker 1: government should be standing here and saying, okay, sorry, ten
[35:03] Speaker 1: percent on top of what is already costing you too much. No, no, no,
[35:08] Speaker 1: that money We're either going to put it over here
[35:11] Speaker 1: or find a way to somehow give it back to you.
[35:13] Speaker 1: But the idea that the states are mucking around and
[35:16] Speaker 1: that's why nothing can be done, well I call BS.
[35:19] Speaker 4: I call BS on that too.
[35:21] Speaker 2: And the fact that they're not recognizing that this is
[35:23] Speaker 2: an opportunity for them to make a profit. It's an
[35:25] Speaker 2: opportunity to help the people who have been totally burned
[35:29] Speaker 2: by what we've seen going on in the Middle East.
[35:31] Speaker 2: I mean, Stephen is right, I agree with him. They
[35:33] Speaker 2: need to stop it. And the fact that they act
[35:35] Speaker 2: like wild cowboys in the wild wild West and decide
[35:38] Speaker 2: to take decisions upon themselves and view this as an
[35:41] Speaker 2: opportunity to add.
[35:42] Speaker 4: More money into their coffers.
[35:44] Speaker 2: It really is something that falls fout with the Australian
[35:46] Speaker 2: people who are looking at this and thinking where am
[35:48] Speaker 2: I going to find this extra money, not just to
[35:50] Speaker 2: combat the rising inflation rates, but also the price that
[35:54] Speaker 2: the bowser.
[35:55] Speaker 4: And again we can talk about cutting the.
[35:57] Speaker 2: Fuel exise and if we wanted to really start to
[35:59] Speaker 2: dive into whether or not that's a good thing according
[36:02] Speaker 2: to economists. But then the separate issue to that is,
[36:05] Speaker 2: regardless of when this war is ended, we are still
[36:09] Speaker 2: going to see supply chains affected and we're not going
[36:12] Speaker 2: to feel the full extremities from this for some months
[36:15] Speaker 2: to come.
[36:16] Speaker 1: Now well again, well I don't want to give the
[36:17] Speaker 1: government free ideas they are how much they pay for them, right.
[36:21] Speaker 1: I think that something that would have been good for
[36:23] Speaker 1: the Easter holidays would be when the States did those
[36:26] Speaker 1: travel vouchers during COVID. Right. So therefore, if you are
[36:29] Speaker 1: making a decision about do I go two hours up
[36:31] Speaker 1: the coast or not, well here's the fifty dollars to
[36:34] Speaker 1: help with the accommodation. Because those regional centers, again, we
[36:38] Speaker 1: were in one the other day with Port McCrory. Right,
[36:40] Speaker 1: some of the joints had seventy five percent capacity down
[36:42] Speaker 1: to twenty five because of what's happening with the fuel.
[36:45] Speaker 1: So if the money needs to go somewhere, maybe that's
[36:48] Speaker 1: where it could go. Now, how about we.
[36:50] Speaker 2: Just stop spending billions of dollars on climate change efforts
[36:53] Speaker 2: and all of a sudden, there you go, you've got
[36:55] Speaker 2: a bit of.
[36:55] Speaker 4: Extra money sitting around. Well we'll call it extra money.
[36:58] Speaker 1: Well, also, Stephen one without noticing, right, and I'm not
[37:01] Speaker 1: sort of beginning to flag conspiracy theory all the rest
[37:03] Speaker 1: of it, right, but for the federal government to always
[37:06] Speaker 1: have a billion dollars in petty cash, but now they
[37:08] Speaker 1: need three billion dollars in petty cash. Parliament's not gone
[37:11] Speaker 1: for six months, it's it's back effectively in a month.
[37:16] Speaker 1: Why would they need three billion dollars to spend? Because
[37:22] Speaker 1: is it decisions taken not yet announced, Because it's a
[37:24] Speaker 1: lot of money and it's a big change.
[37:28] Speaker 7: Yeah, Look, it's unusual to do that just before you're
[37:30] Speaker 7: about to deliver a budget. Yeah, so I think you
[37:34] Speaker 7: raise a very good question, and it's worth just asking
[37:38] Speaker 7: you know what's behind that decision?
[37:40] Speaker 3: But I said, having.
[37:41] Speaker 7: Sat through preparations of budgets both in government and opposition,
[37:46] Speaker 7: it was it surprised me like it has I think you, Paul, So,
[37:50] Speaker 7: I think it's a fair question, especially just before a budget.
[37:53] Speaker 1: Excellent always to see they help, just like you, Steven,
[37:55] Speaker 1: all right, last one here, David Pocock can be in particular,
[37:58] Speaker 1: I think it's done a really good job with social
[38:00] Speaker 1: media trying to raise the issue about taxation and gas.
[38:04] Speaker 1: We know that there's the vast majority of what comes
[38:07] Speaker 1: out of the earth ends up being sent overseas. Now
[38:12] Speaker 1: we have a government which of course desperate to find revenue,
[38:14] Speaker 1: so giving them a new idea for it will see
[38:16] Speaker 1: the gas industries themselves, which of course require an awful
[38:20] Speaker 1: lot of money to be able to do what they do,
[38:22] Speaker 1: so that this would become an issue that would either
[38:24] Speaker 1: mean that they pull back on what they do or
[38:26] Speaker 1: maybe potentially stop some of what they do. Lucy, what
[38:29] Speaker 1: do you think though about Because again, random people who
[38:32] Speaker 1: aren't all that into politics will randomly say to me,
[38:35] Speaker 1: what's this gas thing? Kind of makes sense that there
[38:37] Speaker 1: should be a tax on that.
[38:39] Speaker 2: And I think that largely what David Pocock has been
[38:43] Speaker 2: doing has been resonating with a lot of people because
[38:45] Speaker 2: they are sitting back, and if they're not highly educated
[38:48] Speaker 2: on the particular subject, they're sitting back and they're thinking, Okay,
[38:52] Speaker 2: why aren't we taxing this? And why are we in
[38:54] Speaker 2: a situation where we look at other nations who have
[38:57] Speaker 2: state ownership as well as country is like Norway, who
[39:01] Speaker 2: in conjunction with state ownership, are then applying taxes to
[39:04] Speaker 2: them and then redistributing that back into their sovereign wealth
[39:08] Speaker 2: and the private sector.
[39:09] Speaker 4: Why aren't we doing something similarly?
[39:12] Speaker 2: And again it goes back to our attitudes also towards
[39:15] Speaker 2: our natural resources in this country. It widens up the
[39:18] Speaker 2: topic again to fracking and all of these natural resources
[39:21] Speaker 2: that we've been blessed with that we just are not
[39:23] Speaker 2: doing a good enough job of capitalizing on. And that
[39:27] Speaker 2: extends to what we're doing with our gas, exporting it
[39:30] Speaker 2: and then oftentimes also having to buy back at a premium.
[39:33] Speaker 2: I mean, it's no surprise that in so many instances
[39:37] Speaker 2: we've had foreigners come here. And I think there was
[39:39] Speaker 2: a viral clip of a gentleman who appeared on Peter
[39:42] Speaker 2: Credlin's program.
[39:43] Speaker 4: He said, what are you ossies doing. You people are crazy, Like,
[39:46] Speaker 4: look at all of the things.
[39:47] Speaker 2: That you've been blessed with and that you haven't been given,
[39:50] Speaker 2: and that you haven't actually taken the opportunity to capitalize
[39:53] Speaker 2: on this. I mean, I'll be honest, Paul. It's kind
[39:55] Speaker 2: of becoming embarrassing. And we didn't need this Middle Eastern
[39:59] Speaker 2: conflict to highlight that we have had so many instances
[40:01] Speaker 2: throughout history which are pointing to our negligence when it
[40:05] Speaker 2: comes to the beautiful richness of resources that we have
[40:08] Speaker 2: at our disposal.
[40:09] Speaker 4: Here this sea of oil that we could.
[40:11] Speaker 2: Be fracking, but this hell bent attitude on turning our
[40:14] Speaker 2: backs on it and investing billions of dollars in trying
[40:17] Speaker 2: to control the weather.
[40:19] Speaker 4: I mean, it's just a disgrace the country. We could
[40:22] Speaker 4: be honestly.
[40:23] Speaker 1: Bloody, Steven, give me thirty seconds on this. I know
[40:25] Speaker 1: it's more complicated, but do you think the government's skinners move.
[40:28] Speaker 3: Towards is.
[40:30] Speaker 7: Look I would think if you look at Katar, and
[40:32] Speaker 7: I think Lucy correctly pointed at Norway, they tax more,
[40:38] Speaker 7: and I think it's very fair argument to say that
[40:41] Speaker 7: we should be getting more for our natural resource. We
[40:43] Speaker 7: should never as lose. You just said, have to buy
[40:45] Speaker 7: it back. So I think the DAS companies just need
[40:49] Speaker 7: to be a little bit realistic about the very low
[40:53] Speaker 7: level of tax i pay at the moment and be
[40:55] Speaker 7: working with the government to get a reasonable solution.
[40:58] Speaker 1: Now, Stephen, I'm not one for free and certainly don't
[41:01] Speaker 1: beg for them on television. With one example, you're sort
[41:03] Speaker 1: of mister Melbourne, right, you obviously know Nicholas Reese. Can
[41:06] Speaker 1: you get us a couple of tickets to that NFL game?
[41:08] Speaker 1: Because I'm not paying six hundred bucks for them? All right?
[41:10] Speaker 1: If we can get into the mayor's box or you
[41:12] Speaker 1: know some secret way in, that's your project.
[41:15] Speaker 7: Okay, all right, look forward to I'll give him a
[41:18] Speaker 7: ring for you.
[41:18] Speaker 1: Yeah, please do. Thank you guys, Seelac Stephen quick break
[41:22] Speaker 1: back with more. Yet, what about that all buggers that
[41:24] Speaker 1: want to go and see an NFL game, hundreds and
[41:26] Speaker 1: hundreds of dollars for the tickets and some of them
[41:28] Speaker 1: aren't that flash Again, It's great the NFL's coming to Australia,
[41:31] Speaker 1: but what a pretty penny. Now, A wonderful expert from
[41:35] Speaker 1: the United States is Meghan Kelly. You'll see her next
[41:37] Speaker 1: here on Paul Murray Low, it's our favorite time of
[41:44] Speaker 1: the week to talk to our favorite person in the world,
[41:45] Speaker 1: none other than Meghan Kelly in the United States. How
[41:47] Speaker 1: ay a rockstar.
[41:49] Speaker 12: Great to be here, Thanks for having me.
[41:50] Speaker 1: Now back to the Democrats. They have a strategy about
[41:53] Speaker 1: how to win the next presidential election, and that is
[41:56] Speaker 1: that the candidate should be white, Christian, straight a block.
[42:01] Speaker 11: Welcome Gavin Newsom right this way, You're You're it. Literally,
[42:06] Speaker 11: who else is there? Like if you were given this assignment,
[42:09] Speaker 11: like just open up your you know, your playbook and
[42:12] Speaker 11: pick one white Christian dude, you'd have him and Andy Basheer,
[42:16] Speaker 11: Like that's it. It has to be straight too, apparently,
[42:19] Speaker 11: because they don't want to do anything on the on
[42:21] Speaker 11: the intersectionality or identity forum because they're worried, you know,
[42:24] Speaker 11: the racist country won't like it. So Buddha Judge is out,
[42:28] Speaker 11: Josh Shapiro's out, he's Jewish. The Democrat Party is definitely
[42:31] Speaker 11: not going to nominate a Jewish man. I mean, there's
[42:34] Speaker 11: zero chance, you know, you can't go for a woman
[42:38] Speaker 11: because they're all spooked that they've had two female nominees,
[42:40] Speaker 11: Hillary and then Kamala both of whom have the bed.
[42:43] Speaker 12: It's a term of art.
[42:45] Speaker 11: And while they say, oh, well, we know that a
[42:47] Speaker 11: lot of men haven't gotten the ball across the finish
[42:49] Speaker 11: line too.
[42:50] Speaker 12: Maybe maybe it's the female thing. I don't believe that personally.
[42:54] Speaker 11: I really think if you had like a ball buster
[42:56] Speaker 11: Margaret Thatcher type candidate, they the country would have. It's
[43:01] Speaker 11: just look who they picked. Hillary Clinton is so unlikable,
[43:03] Speaker 11: and Kamalaires is an idiot they can't fight like, and
[43:07] Speaker 11: the ones they're thinking about, like Gretchen Whitmer, She's not
[43:09] Speaker 11: likable and she seems dumb honestly, the more.
[43:12] Speaker 12: You get exposed to her. She's the Michigan governor, AOC.
[43:16] Speaker 11: She's got main character energy, like she could potentially be
[43:20] Speaker 11: something for them, but she's so far left it doesn't
[43:22] Speaker 11: seem like a smart choice.
[43:23] Speaker 12: I mean I can see that.
[43:24] Speaker 11: But at least she's dynamic and she's got like a
[43:27] Speaker 11: strong personality, like that is what they should be looking
[43:30] Speaker 11: for if they go female. But anyway, it seems like
[43:32] Speaker 11: it's gonna be Gavin Newsome, and that might be a
[43:35] Speaker 11: smart choice because while he's extremely far left, he's got
[43:38] Speaker 11: the good hair, he's.
[43:39] Speaker 12: Got the widow's peak. He's tall.
[43:42] Speaker 11: Eh, that's when the Democrat field that's a win, go
[43:46] Speaker 11: with it.
[43:47] Speaker 1: Yeah. A friend of mine constantly talks about presidential hair.
[43:49] Speaker 1: You have to have that big, wonderful head of hair.
[43:52] Speaker 1: So if that's the case, thing, congratulations President Gavin Newsom.
[43:56] Speaker 12: He definitely has great hair. And he's tall.
[43:59] Speaker 11: You have to be tall because I'm an American president.
[44:01] Speaker 11: And look, I think a lot of women will be
[44:03] Speaker 11: somewhat charmed by him because he's good looking.
[44:06] Speaker 12: You know, my standards for good looking.
[44:07] Speaker 11: Are very high, and he meets mine, so he probably
[44:10] Speaker 11: meets everybody's. And you know, with divorced from his record,
[44:14] Speaker 11: I could see him being able to make the case
[44:16] Speaker 11: that like he's a reasonable guy, the way he did
[44:18] Speaker 11: across from Charlie Kirk, like yeah, it's a question of
[44:20] Speaker 11: fairness the boys and girls sports. Then as soon as
[44:23] Speaker 11: he gets away from that person across you know, the
[44:25] Speaker 11: aisle from him, he turns back into the same flaming
[44:28] Speaker 11: leftist progressive.
[44:30] Speaker 12: That he really is.
[44:32] Speaker 11: So you know, you'd need somebody on the Republican side
[44:34] Speaker 11: who could really hold his feet to the fire on
[44:36] Speaker 11: his crazy ass record, which we have, Like if it's JD.
[44:39] Speaker 11: He definitely can do it. Marco, he can do it.
[44:42] Speaker 11: And I don't know who else we're looking on on
[44:43] Speaker 11: Team Republican. I feel like they're going to start dropping
[44:45] Speaker 11: like flies if these if this Iron War keeps going,
[44:48] Speaker 11: because no one's going to want to do it because
[44:50] Speaker 11: they're going to figure that they can't win.
[44:52] Speaker 1: Who knows the Republicans, Well, I could look far afield
[44:55] Speaker 1: from all the nimes you just mentioned. And what about
[44:57] Speaker 1: Christy nom Will more importantly husband what a story? She
[45:02] Speaker 1: of course is sacked as the head of Homeland Security,
[45:06] Speaker 1: and hey has got some splaining to do.
[45:08] Speaker 12: Bye, They're so big, it's a fetish I get.
[45:12] Speaker 11: So I don't like, explain to me if you're a
[45:15] Speaker 11: guy who's like I understand enough from you know, living
[45:19] Speaker 11: in this world that there are certain lanes of pornography
[45:21] Speaker 11: you can be into, you know, like whatever, you know,
[45:24] Speaker 11: some people like different races, some people like very large ladies.
[45:30] Speaker 12: I don't.
[45:30] Speaker 11: I don't get how, Like you're into the enormous breasts
[45:35] Speaker 11: and you wear them?
[45:36] Speaker 12: Wait wait wait whoa what? I wait? How does it
[45:39] Speaker 12: cross over.
[45:40] Speaker 11: Into and we're both gonna do it like enormous enormous
[45:44] Speaker 11: prosthetic breasts Kayla Lemue, Canadian shop teachers size enormous breasts
[45:50] Speaker 11: and teeny tiny What freaks me out about those Christin
[45:53] Speaker 11: husband photos more than anything is the weird teeny tiny
[45:56] Speaker 11: legs and teeny tiny waist and teeny tiny like crotch
[46:01] Speaker 11: area and like the hot pink biker shorts and the
[46:06] Speaker 11: hot and not like the bright blue, super tight leggings
[46:10] Speaker 11: showing off.
[46:11] Speaker 12: His rear end.
[46:12] Speaker 11: Like, I take back all of my judgments on her
[46:15] Speaker 11: affair with Corey Lewindowski. Obviously this woman wasn't getting some
[46:20] Speaker 11: at home. I don't know what's going on in that relationship,
[46:22] Speaker 11: but very clearly she needed to feel like she was
[46:26] Speaker 11: in the presence of a man, and Corey Lewandowski is
[46:30] Speaker 11: also married.
[46:30] Speaker 12: I don't excuse it.
[46:31] Speaker 11: I'm just saying, you know, let me just leave it
[46:33] Speaker 11: at this ball. If there's one room about Corey Lewandowski,
[46:37] Speaker 11: it's that he's basically the opposite of this person. Okay,
[46:40] Speaker 11: Like no one's ever complained about Corey's abilities with a woman.
[46:45] Speaker 12: I'm just gonna leave it that.
[46:47] Speaker 11: And so I'm now starting to see it totally differently,
[46:49] Speaker 11: and I feel bad for having judged her. I feel
[46:51] Speaker 11: like I don't know why she doesn't just get a divorce.
[46:53] Speaker 11: All three of her kids are grown. The youngest is
[46:56] Speaker 11: twenty three, the oldest is thirty one. Why are you
[46:59] Speaker 11: still together? Why would you be married to a man
[47:02] Speaker 11: with the fake you? Now she's denying that she knew.
[47:06] Speaker 11: To be honest, I've got my doubts about that. I
[47:08] Speaker 11: just feel like, you know, But then I walk myself
[47:11] Speaker 11: through it. Is that just something I tell myself I'd
[47:13] Speaker 11: know because I too am a married woman. So you like,
[47:15] Speaker 11: no married person wants to believe this this could happen
[47:17] Speaker 11: to them and that they wouldn't know.
[47:20] Speaker 4: But I think you know.
[47:21] Speaker 11: Didn't you think you'd know if your spouse had a
[47:24] Speaker 11: habit of shoving enormous balloons in her dress or her
[47:28] Speaker 11: pants or and then doing dirty talk on the internet
[47:32] Speaker 11: about it.
[47:33] Speaker 12: And it's just that on so many levels.
[47:37] Speaker 1: Yes, yes, I would. Personally. I think it's also all Kama,
[47:41] Speaker 1: right because member Christy Gnome is the woman who was
[47:43] Speaker 1: this close to becoming Trump's vice president, and then it
[47:46] Speaker 1: came out that she shot her dog, So I think
[47:48] Speaker 1: it's all KAMA. I don't know why I did the
[47:50] Speaker 1: Hane just your other I apologize to everyone, especially those
[47:53] Speaker 1: that are watching us with the sandoff boredom. I'm here
[47:56] Speaker 1: on Pulmari Live some of the dumb things politicians did
[47:58] Speaker 1: with your money today and then the later back about
[48:01] Speaker 1: five minutes ago. Thank you so much for watching tonight now.
[48:09] Speaker 1: As you know, you work hard to pay tax to
[48:13] Speaker 1: the government for them to not just pay MPs, but
[48:15] Speaker 1: for their staffers to make crap social media videos. We
[48:19] Speaker 1: often show it to you just to show how great
[48:22] Speaker 1: they're going. Here's Richard Marles's Deputy Prime Minister club.
[48:36] Speaker 10: And this had been founded in seventeen sixty four by
[48:39] Speaker 10: Johnson by Joshua Reynolds, great painter by Edmund Burt.
[48:47] Speaker 1: All Right, I hope you have a wonderful time with
[48:49] Speaker 1: family and friends. All the best. If you are going
[48:50] Speaker 1: to be dealing with school holidays, I'll see you in
[48:52] Speaker 1: a couple of weeks time, and I promise it'll be
[48:54] Speaker 1: worth it.

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