# Paul Murray Live | 1 June

An episode of [Paul Murray Live](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/376966263), 1 Jun 2026, 49 min.

Audio: https://p.podderapp.com/2544644999/traffic.omny.fm/d/clips/2fb3740d-3436-44af-8cc0-a91900716aa5/be3abd48-25e5-45a6-aede-ac2a00524a12/dea9c631-ba85-4e15-9376-b45c00d3bd05/audio.mp3?utm_source=Podcast&in_playlist=95971714-8fe6-4855-b1fe-ac2a00524a12

Everything is worse under Jacinta Allan, Pauline Hanson's One Nation overtakes Labor. Plus, the ADF veterans snubbed by Labor's budget. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:00] Speaker 1: From the sky Inning Center. This is Paul Murray Live.
[0:06] Speaker 1: Thank you, Cherry. I've an awful lot to get to tonight. Yes,
[0:09] Speaker 1: a lot that is going to annoy the government, which
[0:11] Speaker 1: is great. Here, a lot of stuff that is going
[0:13] Speaker 1: to get you fired up and serious business. We'll get
[0:15] Speaker 1: to all of it in a second, but you know
[0:17] Speaker 1: those little moments, and I wanted to start with something
[0:19] Speaker 1: slightly different tonight, which was you had one job. You
[0:23] Speaker 1: had one job, right now, the people in and around
[0:26] Speaker 1: just center around in the Victorian premiere and again hopefully
[0:30] Speaker 1: her day's an office a numbered but who knows, they'll
[0:32] Speaker 1: find some way. And now you, of course remember that
[0:34] Speaker 1: her and Daniel andrewsillions of dollars, billions of dollars on
[0:38] Speaker 1: this big build project, including allegations in and around union corruption.
[0:45] Speaker 1: Plenty of investigation and investigative pieces there well, unrelated to that,
[0:50] Speaker 1: but still one of those metro trains opened late last year.
[0:55] Speaker 1: I think this was in November specifically. Yeah, new train.
[0:59] Speaker 1: Everything's worth it cares how much it costs. You get
[1:02] Speaker 1: the point right, But there is a little detail that
[1:06] Speaker 1: is yet again costing the taxpayers of Victoria some money.
[1:11] Speaker 1: You know how when politicians. The one of the reasons
[1:14] Speaker 1: they want to build something is so that we can
[1:16] Speaker 1: know that they built something. And how do they tell
[1:19] Speaker 1: us that, Well, they put plaques on everything. As revealed
[2:06] Speaker 1: by the Heraldson on Monday, two of the five plarques
[2:09] Speaker 1: have been installed the entrances of the Metro tunnel stations.
[2:13] Speaker 1: When several errors were spotted before the project's official opening
[2:17] Speaker 1: in November, the bungle sent workers scrambling to replace them
[2:22] Speaker 1: new plarques honoring Miss Allen and Miss Williams were there
[2:25] Speaker 1: for the opening of the nine k Underground on Monday morning.
[2:29] Speaker 1: Miss Williams conceded that the fiasco was quote incredibly disappointing revelation.
[2:34] Speaker 1: What about who cares again they get their names right,
[2:37] Speaker 1: It's just the honorable. I mean, who's going to double
[2:40] Speaker 1: check collect the set of the plaques the whole thing.
[2:45] Speaker 1: By the way, in having to produce new plarques with
[2:48] Speaker 1: their titles appropriately honorable seventy thousand dollars, seventy thousand dollars,
[2:56] Speaker 1: you know, the good old fashioned general sort of average
[2:59] Speaker 1: medium wage in the country right now in and around
[3:01] Speaker 1: seventy thousand dollars in Victoria up against the wall because
[3:06] Speaker 1: we wouldn't want to offend the transport in or the
[3:08] Speaker 1: pamire like that really important, right anyway? Two the obvious
[3:14] Speaker 1: have you heard this story In the past twenty four hours.
[3:18] Speaker 2: One Nation is now the most popular party in the country,
[3:21] Speaker 2: lead frogging Labor in primary support.
[3:23] Speaker 3: One Nation has leapfrog past Labor to be the most
[3:27] Speaker 3: popular party in.
[3:27] Speaker 1: Near polling has seen One Nation surge past Labor and
[3:31] Speaker 1: the Coalition as Australia's most popular political party.
[3:35] Speaker 4: One Nation is now the most popular party in Australia.
[3:39] Speaker 1: The joy in which much of the media reads those
[3:43] Speaker 1: works with absolute joy in fervor. Imagine if it was
[3:48] Speaker 1: the Teelsa the most popular political party. Imagine right, And
[3:52] Speaker 1: you've seen all the numbers Uphill and down Dale. But
[3:54] Speaker 1: again the movement is what matters here. The Redbridge Pole
[3:57] Speaker 1: pretty good here. Tomorrow I will have the Sky News
[4:00] Speaker 1: Poles poll, so I won't hit you over there too much.
[4:02] Speaker 1: With all of this Labour down three, One Nation up four,
[4:06] Speaker 1: Apparently just one of those points that went from Labor
[4:10] Speaker 1: went to One Nation, the Coalition to obviously went to
[4:14] Speaker 1: One Nation. And there's even some sort of strange statistical
[4:18] Speaker 1: back and forth that happens on the edges of the
[4:20] Speaker 1: Greens or the edges on the Teals when it comes
[4:23] Speaker 1: to the polling. What was interesting but left out of
[4:27] Speaker 1: many of the headlines is the fundamental reason why people
[4:31] Speaker 1: are supporting particular parties, or at least what the major
[4:34] Speaker 1: issues are. Don't worry, you don't have to read all
[4:37] Speaker 1: of that. I'll do it for you. One nation, forty
[4:41] Speaker 1: percent of people say are the people to handle immigration.
[4:44] Speaker 1: That is the biggest margin on any issue anywhere. The
[4:48] Speaker 1: lives of NAT's economic management is second with twenty eight percent,
[4:52] Speaker 1: Labor and healthcare is twenty seven percent, and the Greens
[4:56] Speaker 1: and climate change is twenty four percent. So put simply,
[5:00] Speaker 1: what we are saying here is that, unsurprisingly labor's best
[5:05] Speaker 1: card to play as healthcare one nation is immigration and
[5:09] Speaker 1: climate change and economy that is all mattered there. But
[5:12] Speaker 1: I've got to say I have been somewhat fascinated as
[5:16] Speaker 1: the media is trying to search upon this sudden surge
[5:19] Speaker 1: of support from one nation as if it wasn't there
[5:22] Speaker 1: for the last federal election. Remember senators elected in Western
[5:26] Speaker 1: Australia and Queensland and Victoria almost getting one up in Tasmania.
[5:32] Speaker 1: We've been on this ride for a while, right, we
[5:35] Speaker 1: of course remember when Pauline Hanson was trying to get
[5:37] Speaker 1: back into parliament in twenty sixteen. Yes, that's how long
[5:40] Speaker 1: we've been talking about on the telly about one Nation.
[5:43] Speaker 1: And it's glad that you know, the bandwagon is away
[5:48] Speaker 1: and we'll see what happens. And obviously you have to
[5:50] Speaker 1: go bigger and bigger all the time. And I'm happy
[5:52] Speaker 1: to see the growth. But I do love the media
[5:55] Speaker 1: when they're not sort of going is the most popular
[5:58] Speaker 1: and political party in they get involved in this sort
[6:02] Speaker 1: of silly science of trying to work out So tell
[6:05] Speaker 1: me about these zoo animals, like why do they like
[6:09] Speaker 1: one Nation?
[6:11] Speaker 5: The big taxing budget has not gone down well. The
[6:14] Speaker 5: majority of voters believe were headed in the wrong direction.
[6:17] Speaker 5: This is people just feeling frustrated with both of the
[6:20] Speaker 5: major parties and they're looking for another option. People don't
[6:23] Speaker 5: seem pretty keen on what's being sold to them in
[6:25] Speaker 5: terms of how many people think this budget is good
[6:28] Speaker 5: for Australia.
[6:30] Speaker 1: No, no, no, sorry, ABC lady, it's nothing to do
[6:32] Speaker 1: with the budget. Okay, a little to do with the budget,
[6:34] Speaker 1: because the budget was the final straw that broke the
[6:37] Speaker 1: camel's back for millions of us. We know that Australia
[6:41] Speaker 1: is not as good as it was twenty years ago,
[6:43] Speaker 1: and definitely not as good as when we were growing up,
[6:45] Speaker 1: and there's lots of reasons for that. You want proof, well,
[6:49] Speaker 1: join me over here. You see childcare. It's too expensive,
[6:53] Speaker 1: it's become too woke, and some of the staff are
[6:55] Speaker 1: frankly too weird. At primary school, why is that all
[6:59] Speaker 1: about skins caring kids about climate change? In high school
[7:03] Speaker 1: it's the climate change stuff, but they have to learn
[7:05] Speaker 1: that all of our history is racist, while simultaneously getting
[7:08] Speaker 1: worse at maths and spelling by the time they get
[7:11] Speaker 1: to year twelve. If I choose to go to university, well,
[7:14] Speaker 1: of course you end up with a lifetime of debt,
[7:16] Speaker 1: probably for a wanky degree that does nothing when it
[7:18] Speaker 1: comes to your employment. But for lefties it's kind of
[7:22] Speaker 1: a cool place to be forever. If you get a
[7:26] Speaker 1: trade well, here's the funny bit. For the first few years,
[7:29] Speaker 1: you don't get paid enough to even pay for rent,
[7:31] Speaker 1: let alone board at home, while being borderlone tortured by
[7:35] Speaker 1: your so called workmates. If you make it to the office. Well,
[7:39] Speaker 1: you might be able to work hard during the day,
[7:42] Speaker 1: but you definitely won't be able to save enough money
[7:45] Speaker 1: for a house deposit. If luckily you've been able to
[7:48] Speaker 1: get a couple of promotions and get a bit of
[7:50] Speaker 1: money from mom and dad, you might be able to
[7:52] Speaker 1: buy a house. But the funny thing about that is
[7:55] Speaker 1: the interist rates have gone up fifteen times since Albo
[7:58] Speaker 1: became Prime Minister, and the value of your house because
[8:01] Speaker 1: of this budget, well, it's going to be worth less
[8:04] Speaker 1: than the amount of money you borrowed to buy it
[8:06] Speaker 1: in the first place. With retirement, unless you've been a
[8:10] Speaker 1: politician your whole life, well most people will only have
[8:14] Speaker 1: a few fun years before you have to tighten your
[8:16] Speaker 1: bell every week, desperately waiting for the kids to call
[8:19] Speaker 1: and say hi, or at least remember that you're there.
[8:22] Speaker 1: But when they do turn up, they tell you about
[8:23] Speaker 1: how they're borrowed more money than the Chinese Army for
[8:27] Speaker 1: their third new car this year in age care. Yes, congratulations,
[8:32] Speaker 1: you have a house that's now worth a million bucks,
[8:34] Speaker 1: But you have to give that to a company that
[8:36] Speaker 1: wants it all upfront and in exchange. They will occasionally
[8:40] Speaker 1: change the sheets, but they will feed you three square
[8:43] Speaker 1: hospital grade meals a day while charging you fifteen dollars
[8:48] Speaker 1: to hear a volunteer play the piano every second Tuesday.
[8:52] Speaker 1: When it comes to dating, that's hopeless too, because with
[8:55] Speaker 1: a lifetime of people addicted to looking at their phone,
[8:58] Speaker 1: boys don't know how to look girlfriends and eye and
[9:01] Speaker 1: for the girls, they're probably checked out because he doesn't
[9:03] Speaker 1: look like the pictures. When it comes to marriage, there
[9:07] Speaker 1: is absolutely nothing wrong with marriage, right, honey. When it
[9:12] Speaker 1: comes to parenting, your kids want sushi before they want
[9:15] Speaker 1: a veggiemite sandwich, and they're incredibly anxious, in fact, so
[9:20] Speaker 1: anxious that apparently they can't clean their room ever. Oh
[9:24] Speaker 1: and all the music podcasts, TV and movies that you've
[9:27] Speaker 1: enjoyed for years, well all of that is apparently racist.
[9:31] Speaker 1: No wonder we like Pauline I, have had a gutful
[9:36] Speaker 1: now when it comes to the budget itself, more evidence
[9:39] Speaker 1: that even young people know that the bs that were
[9:42] Speaker 1: served up a couple of weeks ago ain't good enough.
[9:45] Speaker 1: Ain't good enough. In fact, part of the explanation around
[9:48] Speaker 1: the polling that we've just discussed was that the one
[9:51] Speaker 1: nation surge is in part because of the budget flopping
[9:54] Speaker 1: to what flop? Do you speak? Paul Well again? According
[9:56] Speaker 1: to red Bridge, here's out broke down in terms of
[9:59] Speaker 1: people who like the budget versus didn't like the budget.
[10:02] Speaker 1: Just a quarter of the youngest voters in Gen Z
[10:06] Speaker 1: thought the budget was good for their future thirty four
[10:08] Speaker 1: percent bad. Millennials thirteen percent thought it was good fifty
[10:13] Speaker 1: one percent bad. Oh but hang on, isn't it all
[10:17] Speaker 1: about everyone under fifty and everyone over fifty? All we've
[10:20] Speaker 1: got our bet wrong here because in Gen X, and
[10:23] Speaker 1: remember that does include a fair amount of people under
[10:25] Speaker 1: the age of fifty, sort of forty five to fifty
[10:28] Speaker 1: just six percent just six percent thought the budget was good,
[10:32] Speaker 1: fifty four percent bad. And boomers have seen it all before.
[10:36] Speaker 1: Seven percent say that it was good, forty nine percent
[10:39] Speaker 1: say that it was bad. And I'm sticking with what
[10:43] Speaker 1: I have done for the past few weeks because you've
[10:45] Speaker 1: got to maintain the rage. Their bet is that as
[10:49] Speaker 1: the week's roll on, the stories disappear, that you will
[10:52] Speaker 1: forget about the budget. But the budget itself is going
[10:55] Speaker 1: to be moving towards the Senate this very week. The
[11:00] Speaker 1: pressure has to remain here and to show that we
[11:04] Speaker 1: have not forgotten the mistakes that they have made, ones
[11:07] Speaker 1: that every single age demographic says are wrong. And by
[11:11] Speaker 1: the way, it's not just a red bridge pole, the
[11:13] Speaker 1: same as in Newspole, the same as in the resolved pole,
[11:15] Speaker 1: even in the essential polit turns up in the turnbul times.
[11:19] Speaker 1: This budget is a dog. But the government of course
[11:22] Speaker 1: is doing everything it possibly can to try to go
[11:25] Speaker 1: back to the politics that they have been able to
[11:28] Speaker 1: deploy against Scott Morrison, that they were able to deploy
[11:31] Speaker 1: against Peter Dutton, but somehow is failing when it comes
[11:35] Speaker 1: to trying to help themselves, like we never lied about
[11:40] Speaker 1: all of the tax changes that we promised we weren't
[11:42] Speaker 1: going to make.
[11:44] Speaker 6: This is a change in our policy.
[11:45] Speaker 2: When you say you changed your position, is that a
[11:47] Speaker 2: concession that you lied.
[11:52] Speaker 6: That's at a statement of fact that we have changed
[11:56] Speaker 6: our position, changing our position.
[11:59] Speaker 1: And the New Britain did that while he was the
[12:01] Speaker 1: focus of all of those small business memes that were
[12:04] Speaker 1: pointing out how outrageous it is that if a small
[12:07] Speaker 1: business eventually gets to a point where it's able to
[12:09] Speaker 1: be sold off forty seven forty seven percent depending on
[12:13] Speaker 1: the size of the sale might end up going to
[12:15] Speaker 1: the government. Oh he was in on that joke, wasn't he.
[12:19] Speaker 6: I think some of them are very flattering, and I
[12:21] Speaker 6: thanked them for picking very nice photos of me, and
[12:26] Speaker 6: I thanked them for that.
[12:29] Speaker 1: And even though you might have been a woman who
[12:32] Speaker 1: was interviewed on the ABC about how you were coming
[12:37] Speaker 1: up with AI to help diversity programs, somehow any sort
[12:41] Speaker 1: of opposition to the budget was all a right wing ploy.
[12:46] Speaker 6: I think there are a campaigns being run from the
[12:50] Speaker 6: right wing parties and their allies to distort some of
[12:56] Speaker 6: what's being offered.
[12:58] Speaker 1: Not that he was at all involved and anything like that.
[13:01] Speaker 1: You'll only need this card, remember please. And then of
[13:05] Speaker 1: course there was clueless Clara O'Neil, who well, she pretended
[13:08] Speaker 1: that anyone who was against this, well again, apart from
[13:11] Speaker 1: the lady being interviewed on the ABC about AI for
[13:14] Speaker 1: the it's all sexist.
[13:17] Speaker 7: Does anyone else find it weird that a whole bunch
[13:20] Speaker 7: of internet finance bros Are suddenly concerned about renters. So
[13:24] Speaker 7: when you see a video from a finance bro defending
[13:26] Speaker 7: these tax concessions, it's worth thinking about what they stand
[13:30] Speaker 7: to gain.
[13:31] Speaker 1: Well, today. Another version, this would be version twenty eight
[13:34] Speaker 1: point six of trying to fight their way out of
[13:36] Speaker 1: a paper bag. When even the younger oters who were
[13:39] Speaker 1: supposed to think this is all amazing, are what thirteen
[13:43] Speaker 1: percent of millennials twenty five percent of gen z. Well,
[13:48] Speaker 1: when all else fails, you just say this when people
[13:51] Speaker 1: are pointing out what's wrong with what you are doing.
[13:55] Speaker 3: I think it says everything about Tim Wilson that he
[13:58] Speaker 3: is prepared to weaponary a scare campaign full of lies.
[14:02] Speaker 3: He either doesn't know the real figure, or more likely
[14:06] Speaker 3: he's lying about that as part of this desperate scare
[14:09] Speaker 3: campaign against these sensible changes.
[14:12] Speaker 1: As opposed to the six hundred billion dollars for the
[14:15] Speaker 1: nuclear campaign. And where are they going to come from.
[14:18] Speaker 1: They're going to cut everything, They're going to cut everything.
[14:20] Speaker 1: Who are the ones who actually end up changing billions
[14:23] Speaker 1: of dollars inside the budget? Oh that's right, the government
[14:25] Speaker 1: who promised not to do it. Now, another example about
[14:29] Speaker 1: something out of the budget here, and something that I
[14:32] Speaker 1: want to spend a little bit of time. And I
[14:33] Speaker 1: know some of my colleagues have touched on this, but
[14:35] Speaker 1: I want to spend some time talking about it because
[14:37] Speaker 1: Keith Payne, who of course we saw in Mackay last night,
[14:40] Speaker 1: and thank you to everyone he came and saw us
[14:42] Speaker 1: in Makai. I really loved doing that show, particularly at sunset.
[14:45] Speaker 1: But of course Keith is a recipient of the Victoria Cross.
[14:48] Speaker 1: He's one of his four living recipients, and he's an
[14:51] Speaker 1: absolute legend. Want a joy to be able to spend
[14:53] Speaker 1: time with him. If you miss that, the full videos up,
[14:55] Speaker 1: it's GOODEWS dot com dot are you well? We were
[14:57] Speaker 1: chatting before and after he's made who was with the
[15:01] Speaker 1: Macai RSL was also part of that conversation, and it
[15:05] Speaker 1: was a little detail inside the federal budget that anyone
[15:08] Speaker 1: who uses the Department of Veterans Affairs or has been
[15:12] Speaker 1: able to pretty much get whatever is needed in terms
[15:16] Speaker 1: of their medical care, well they too share what Ken
[15:22] Speaker 1: and Keith were telling me yesterday. Now this all goes
[15:26] Speaker 1: back again to budget night when there were changes for
[15:28] Speaker 1: Allied Health which were announced. I'm reading here from the
[15:33] Speaker 1: press release from the Department of Veterans Affairs. A five
[15:37] Speaker 1: thousand dollars annual limit on Allied Health expenditure each financial
[15:41] Speaker 1: year will be established from July one, twenty twenty seven
[15:45] Speaker 1: now to give people an idea. Allied health can be
[15:49] Speaker 1: all sorts of supplementary medicine, supplementary therapies. Dare I say
[15:58] Speaker 1: for people who are crook and where the taxpayer pay
[16:03] Speaker 1: Previously no cap because it's a way of thanking them
[16:06] Speaker 1: for their servers. Now, of course, in the next twelve months,
[16:09] Speaker 1: the TVA will consult with veterans, families of veterans, health
[16:12] Speaker 1: service providers, and peak bodies and ex service organizations on
[16:16] Speaker 1: how the new arrangements will operate, not whether they should operate,
[16:19] Speaker 1: but how they will operate. So currently you haven't had
[16:22] Speaker 1: to worry about what the bill is because the bill
[16:25] Speaker 1: will be taken care of because the country is thankful
[16:28] Speaker 1: for your service. Now, the very same people who give
[16:32] Speaker 1: themselves pay rise after pay rise, who spend how much
[16:37] Speaker 1: money on themselves, have now found this as the line
[16:42] Speaker 1: in the sand. This is where they're going to stop
[16:44] Speaker 1: spending the money. An example Chris Bowen. Of course, he
[16:46] Speaker 1: has spent one hundred and fifty million dollars of taxpayers
[16:51] Speaker 1: money to set himself up as the president of the
[16:56] Speaker 1: cop negotiations that you and climate change thing his side
[17:01] Speaker 1: hustle that you have to pay one hundred and fifty
[17:03] Speaker 1: million dollars for but the same government has said no, no,
[17:05] Speaker 1: here's the cap on what you can claim when it
[17:09] Speaker 1: comes to Allied health and veterans. Luke Gosling, who is
[17:12] Speaker 1: part of the federal government, a member for Solomon up
[17:14] Speaker 1: there in the Northern Territory, well, he found a way
[17:18] Speaker 1: to say nothing to see here, but listen to his
[17:20] Speaker 1: actual words. I've heard directly from many veterans about their
[17:23] Speaker 1: concerns regarding the annual Allied Health monetary limit, and I'm
[17:27] Speaker 1: listening carefully to those concerns and feeding them in Okay.
[17:32] Speaker 1: The annual five thousand dollars Allied Health limit creates a
[17:35] Speaker 1: standard funding threshold. However, funding for additional support will be
[17:40] Speaker 1: available when needed. But of course it's not automatically given,
[17:43] Speaker 1: is it, Luke. Somebody has to give you permission for it,
[17:47] Speaker 1: you have to qualify for it. This process will be advised.
[17:53] Speaker 1: But importantly, there will be a measure for funding Allied
[17:55] Speaker 1: health services for veterans above the five thousand dollar limit
[17:58] Speaker 1: when there is a clinical need. Obviously not somebody who
[18:01] Speaker 1: wants the system to be routed. I'll give you the tip.
[18:03] Speaker 1: If there is a single veteran who has denied a
[18:05] Speaker 1: single thing because of this policy, then we are doing
[18:08] Speaker 1: the wrong thing when it comes to the country. Michael McCormick,
[18:11] Speaker 1: former Deputy Prime Minister, NATIONALS MP, and he joins us now,
[18:16] Speaker 1: of course, is the Shadow Veterans Affairs Minister. Michael, love
[18:19] Speaker 1: you to see you, mate, love that story too. So
[18:21] Speaker 1: you're stepping in last week when someone was a bit
[18:23] Speaker 1: full of it last week. But let's get to this here.
[18:26] Speaker 1: How big a change is this? And again Luke Gosling saying, look, technically,
[18:30] Speaker 1: if you still need it, you'll get it. But the
[18:32] Speaker 1: whole point is that anyone who makes it available to
[18:36] Speaker 1: Allied hell shouldn't be worried about whether they'll get it
[18:38] Speaker 1: or not. They should just get it right yep, So right, Paul.
[18:44] Speaker 2: And when we needed these veterans, when they were wearing
[18:47] Speaker 2: a military uniform to have our back, they were there.
[18:50] Speaker 2: They put their lives and bodies on the line to
[18:53] Speaker 2: ensure that we were safe so that we could sleep
[18:55] Speaker 2: easy and comfortable at night. Now when they've taken the uniform,
[19:00] Speaker 2: return to civilian life, their veterans and they need psychological
[19:06] Speaker 2: Allied health. Some of them are mentally and physically broken,
[19:11] Speaker 2: and we have turned our backs on them.
[19:13] Speaker 1: The government has shunned them.
[19:16] Speaker 2: This is mean, it's cruel, it's wrong, and it has
[19:21] Speaker 2: to be reversed. We've got around half a million veterans
[19:26] Speaker 2: and they need our support and this is going to
[19:28] Speaker 2: be a saving of seven hundred and forty eight million dollars.
[19:31] Speaker 2: But seriously, do we place these people's lives now on
[19:36] Speaker 2: the line again because of a cruel, means spirited budget decision.
[19:42] Speaker 2: We've just had one hundred and twenty two recommendations handed
[19:44] Speaker 2: down by the Royal Commission into Veterans and Military Suicide
[19:48] Speaker 2: to ensure that we gave them the very best treatment
[19:52] Speaker 2: and respect when they retired from their military service. And
[19:56] Speaker 2: here we are turning around and denying them allied.
[20:00] Speaker 1: Health, capping it, capping it.
[20:03] Speaker 2: At this moon spirited five thousand dollars over a year,
[20:08] Speaker 2: when previously, as you quite rightly mentioned, it was uncapped.
[20:12] Speaker 1: It's not right. Yeah, I mean again, the government are
[20:14] Speaker 1: going to turn around and say here, well, if we
[20:16] Speaker 1: put this five thousand dollars cap, then, as you say,
[20:18] Speaker 1: theoretically over a few years will save seven hundred and
[20:20] Speaker 1: fifty million dollars. The influence being that essentially anything about
[20:24] Speaker 1: five thousand dollars was basically being roarted. It wasn't necessarily
[20:27] Speaker 1: being warded by the VET, but certainly by the person
[20:29] Speaker 1: charging back to the government. Allah that the NDIS, which
[20:33] Speaker 1: of course they always told us was never a problem
[20:35] Speaker 1: until it was a problem that they sought to fix
[20:38] Speaker 1: or at least shuffle some money around. But give us
[20:40] Speaker 1: an idea again about allied health. I stumbled a little
[20:43] Speaker 1: bit before because I was searching for one of my notes.
[20:45] Speaker 1: But you mentioned it before about mental health. What are
[20:48] Speaker 1: some things that this program would previously have paid for?
[20:54] Speaker 1: And presumably, yes, you might be able to still get
[20:57] Speaker 1: access to it, but putting us of stop gap in
[21:00] Speaker 1: the middle there might make people a little bit nervous
[21:03] Speaker 1: about applying. But what is allied health in this here?
[21:06] Speaker 1: One thing?
[21:07] Speaker 2: Well, well, if it's actually coupled with the NDIS which
[21:12] Speaker 2: are mentioned, what we've done as the government, it's actually
[21:17] Speaker 2: cut back speech therapy, it's cut back all sorts of
[21:20] Speaker 2: services for physiotherapy, and for the veterans, it's psychology. It's
[21:24] Speaker 2: making sure that they're mentally adept to go back into
[21:28] Speaker 2: the workforce, to participate, to have a decent standard of living,
[21:32] Speaker 2: equality of life. These are the things where previously if
[21:36] Speaker 2: they went over twelve sessions, they went back to their GP,
[21:41] Speaker 2: got a referral and went again. Well, now that's going
[21:44] Speaker 2: to be capped at five thousand dollars a year, and
[21:46] Speaker 2: for those psychology sessions, those physiotherapy sessions, and the government says, well,
[21:51] Speaker 2: look if it's with NDS, we're going to announce a
[21:55] Speaker 2: new policy there. But it's created so much uncertainty for
[21:58] Speaker 2: these veterans. And yes, they say it's going to be
[22:01] Speaker 2: brought in from one July twenty twenty seven, so we'll
[22:04] Speaker 2: consult with the veterans to see what best suits their needs.
[22:08] Speaker 2: But the veterans don't trust the government and why should they,
[22:12] Speaker 2: because they've just produced a budget full of lies, full
[22:14] Speaker 2: of broken promises, full of breaches of faith, and when
[22:17] Speaker 2: it comes to veterans, we shouldn't be doing that. They
[22:20] Speaker 2: protected us when we needed them and the government has
[22:23] Speaker 2: turned around and turned their back on them. They are
[22:26] Speaker 2: snubbing them when it comes to these important psychology sessions
[22:29] Speaker 2: and all the allied healthcare that they were once able
[22:33] Speaker 2: to just access to help them give them a good
[22:37] Speaker 2: quality of life too. So that they could return to
[22:39] Speaker 2: civilian life. Not every veteran is broken, but for those
[22:42] Speaker 2: who are, we owe it to them to do the
[22:45] Speaker 2: right thing.
[22:45] Speaker 1: And this government has now had a triple backflip.
[22:48] Speaker 2: They've actually done the right thing, kicking and screaming, mind you,
[22:52] Speaker 2: drag kicking and screaming to fix the Invictus Games when
[22:55] Speaker 2: all was required was three million dollars over a year
[22:59] Speaker 2: for three years, so nine million dollars to participate in
[23:02] Speaker 2: the Invictors Games, which is providing veterans such hope and inspiration.
[23:06] Speaker 2: And then of course Doug and Kay Bird's three thousand
[23:10] Speaker 2: dollars for travel, so they go to schools and RSLs
[23:12] Speaker 2: and veterans to talk to potential recruits, to talk to
[23:17] Speaker 2: school kids about their son Corporal Cameron bed Victoria Cross
[23:20] Speaker 2: recipient's legacy, to tell the story about how bravely their
[23:25] Speaker 2: son fought in Iriuzagan Province in twenty thirteen to earn
[23:30] Speaker 2: that highest of military honors. And then of course we've
[23:34] Speaker 2: also had the Medallic Recognition honor which the government put
[23:38] Speaker 2: a twenty moratorium on, which thanks to veterans such as
[23:41] Speaker 2: Keith Payne VC and others, was backflipped on as well. Well,
[23:45] Speaker 2: they made the right decision to backflip on those three
[23:48] Speaker 2: things and they should be backflipping on this.
[23:50] Speaker 1: To Paul good Man, all right, well I want as
[23:52] Speaker 1: many people have got stories to get in touch with you,
[23:55] Speaker 1: all the ways you can do at socials, all the
[23:56] Speaker 1: rest of it here, Michael, certainly I want to hear
[24:00] Speaker 1: the stories. All right, good stuff, Thank you mate. I
[24:02] Speaker 1: do appreciate it. Michael McCormick there appreciated it. The Shadow
[24:05] Speaker 1: Veterans Affairs Minister. What a change from again the decisions
[24:08] Speaker 1: currently being made inside this government. Speaking of what about
[24:12] Speaker 1: the Prime Minister? Of course he was supposed to be
[24:14] Speaker 1: the most transparent leader of all time. Remember what we
[24:17] Speaker 1: were looking forward to as risk. I wasn't because I
[24:20] Speaker 1: knew what was about to happen here. The promise was
[24:23] Speaker 1: a new broom, a new way of doing things.
[24:27] Speaker 6: Truth is that where an open, transparent party and more
[24:30] Speaker 6: honest and transparent are government going forward.
[24:34] Speaker 1: But the truth is the transparency, Well you can't really
[24:37] Speaker 1: see it behind the veil that is the House of Secrets,
[24:41] Speaker 1: Olbow's transparency, you can't see nothing. Well, the Antisemitism Royal
[24:46] Speaker 1: Commission is on as we speaking I have had my
[24:49] Speaker 1: issues around the way this thing is running well. The
[24:52] Speaker 1: Antisemitism Royal Commission has said to the government, sorry, no
[24:54] Speaker 1: more excuses. Start handing over some information about your attitudes
[24:57] Speaker 1: when it comes to funding of terrorism or funding of
[25:02] Speaker 1: anti terrorism. The Royal Commission in Antisemitism and Social Cohesion
[25:05] Speaker 1: has rejected the Federal government's bid to keep cabinet documents
[25:09] Speaker 1: about cateeterrorism funding secret. The Federal government made the public
[25:13] Speaker 1: interest immunity claim over the documents, of which the Attorney
[25:16] Speaker 1: General defended as standard procedure for matters related to cabinet
[25:21] Speaker 1: The Commission of Virginia Bell found that it was in
[25:23] Speaker 1: the public interest for the inquiry to access the documents
[25:26] Speaker 1: so I can make a full assessment on whether intelligence
[25:29] Speaker 1: and law enfacement agencies did their job and the lead
[25:31] Speaker 1: up to the Bondai terror attack. That is a problem,
[25:33] Speaker 1: isn't it. When you have a Royal commission, you think
[25:36] Speaker 1: you've sort of rigged it where they're going to turn
[25:38] Speaker 1: around and not talk about the very reason why you
[25:41] Speaker 1: actually have a Royal commission. But then they turn around
[25:45] Speaker 1: and develop a little bit of independence and of course
[25:49] Speaker 1: nothing to see here, nothing like the transparency of the
[25:51] Speaker 1: Albanese government. Right now. In terms of Queensland, I've got
[25:55] Speaker 1: to tell you there that the Olympic Stadium, the construction
[25:58] Speaker 1: for that project is beginning, in fact has begun today,
[26:02] Speaker 1: Premier and Deputy Premier there. This is what it'll look like.
[26:06] Speaker 1: It will of course be the main stadium of the
[26:08] Speaker 1: twenty thirty two games. And it's there in Victoria Park
[26:10] Speaker 1: in Brucebane. Now, of course, to build something and you've
[26:13] Speaker 1: got to get rid of something else, and that of
[26:15] Speaker 1: course brings out the Greenies who say put it anywhere else,
[26:17] Speaker 1: said anywhere else than what is currently there. They protested yesterday.
[26:22] Speaker 1: They are promising to do their best to disrupt the
[26:26] Speaker 1: construction of it. They'll have no chance, but I just
[26:28] Speaker 1: hope that they have the same sanctimony like all the
[26:35] Speaker 1: people who were protesting against the replacement of the Sydney
[26:38] Speaker 1: Football Stadium in Sydney. But then go to the corporate
[26:41] Speaker 1: boxes of said stadium because you know, we've got to
[26:46] Speaker 1: see the footy, right And I never wanted the stadium,
[26:48] Speaker 1: but I like the new stadium. Thanks, Can I have
[26:49] Speaker 1: some free tickets?
[26:51] Speaker 5: Well?
[26:51] Speaker 1: Remember when Crown Casino opened in Melbourne way back nineteen
[26:54] Speaker 1: ninety seven. I think this was Rachel Griffith's young actress
[26:57] Speaker 1: at the time. Oh, she got a little bit nerd
[27:02] Speaker 1: why because she wanted to, you know, make a protest
[27:04] Speaker 1: about the horrible building that was there. It shouldn't be open.
[27:07] Speaker 1: It's a terrible thing. Thankfully, when she was invited back
[27:10] Speaker 1: a few years later to go to the logis, she
[27:13] Speaker 1: turned up on the red carpet at Crown Casino. I
[27:18] Speaker 1: wonder whether the people that were protesting and the anti
[27:20] Speaker 1: that Victoria Park Stadium will be the same people that
[27:22] Speaker 1: will turn around and still want free tickets for the
[27:25] Speaker 1: twenty thirty two Olympics. Before we get to our debate tonight,
[27:28] Speaker 1: and there's plenty to talk about this evening, including the
[27:30] Speaker 1: promise of house prices going down being a good thing
[27:33] Speaker 1: when two thirds of people need house prices to stay
[27:36] Speaker 1: where they are or continue to rise because you know,
[27:39] Speaker 1: interest rates are as well. Of course, you work hard,
[27:42] Speaker 1: you pay your taxes. Sadly we have to pay the
[27:44] Speaker 1: politicians and the staff around them to make rubbish social
[27:48] Speaker 1: media videos like this one. Pay close attention to Matt Thistlethwaite.
[27:53] Speaker 1: This is a labor mp from Sydney, and he's very
[27:57] Speaker 1: keen to tell you how hard he works. I'm going
[27:59] Speaker 1: to play this to you twice. Just watch the first version, Swung,
[28:18] Speaker 1: who's paying attention to anything, Well, shout out to the
[28:20] Speaker 1: person who sent me an email because they were able
[28:22] Speaker 1: to pay close attention. Here you see when he walks
[28:25] Speaker 1: into the office, he's got the work shirt on, but
[28:29] Speaker 1: it takes thirty seven minutes for him to apparently put
[28:32] Speaker 1: his tie on. Again. He walks in with the business
[28:36] Speaker 1: shirt on and takes thirty seven minutes to put a
[28:38] Speaker 1: tie on. No wonder why this guy was the perfect
[28:41] Speaker 1: choice of Albanzi to become the Minister for the Republic
[28:45] Speaker 1: for the whole first three years and did nothing because
[28:48] Speaker 1: presumably he was doing up his tie. Swung, he's another one,
[29:08] Speaker 1: another labour senator. You pay for this same as a
[29:15] Speaker 1: kid from Glampede. I didn't expect to be standing in parliament.
[29:19] Speaker 5: Frankly, I never expected to get the grades for law
[29:21] Speaker 5: school either.
[29:24] Speaker 1: And this is a cabinet minister whose responsibility is small business.
[29:29] Speaker 1: This is really bad. We can't afford a new one.
[29:32] Speaker 1: We might have to close for a while.
[29:34] Speaker 4: What what are we going to do?
[29:35] Speaker 1: I don't know. We need a solution.
[29:37] Speaker 8: Fact, look at this line.
[29:38] Speaker 1: We haven't been this busy in months. The new machine
[29:40] Speaker 1: is amazing. This really saved the cafe.
[29:43] Speaker 3: Thank you labor Albo, Jim Chalmers and an ELI for
[29:44] Speaker 3: supporting Australian small businesses and treaties with an instant asset tax.
[29:47] Speaker 1: Rider which has been in existence for about ten years now.
[29:53] Speaker 1: But they invent I need to discuss. We will do
[29:57] Speaker 1: so in a moment. The fluctuating house prices, what it
[29:59] Speaker 1: actually means for normal people. We'll get into that in
[30:03] Speaker 1: a whole lot more. We're just getting started. You're going
[30:04] Speaker 1: to like tonight's share. All right, let's talk about so
[30:12] Speaker 1: much before we are done here with the wonderful Darren
[30:14] Speaker 1: Barnett who was in the man Cave. He's, of course
[30:17] Speaker 1: my brother from another mother. Always lovely to see him.
[30:20] Speaker 1: And equally delightful is Matt Canavan, leader of the Nationals
[30:23] Speaker 1: that he joins us now from Canberra. Now, Matt, by
[30:25] Speaker 1: the way, the experience in Mackay, what a joint that
[30:30] Speaker 1: is now again Gladstone is spectacular. But there's a lot
[30:33] Speaker 1: of people who might have thought that MacKaye was a
[30:35] Speaker 1: little more to the industrial site. Yes, it's an absolute
[30:38] Speaker 1: powerhouse when it comes to that working port, but all
[30:41] Speaker 1: of the recreation around there, the accessible outback, the rest
[30:44] Speaker 1: of it. What an absolute Jem mckaye is that we
[30:47] Speaker 1: need to tell the rest of the country about over
[30:49] Speaker 1: and over again.
[30:51] Speaker 9: You're just pinting for Queensland, Paul. Once again, I know
[30:56] Speaker 9: how you're trapped in there and coldested Sydney.
[30:59] Speaker 1: What to escape.
[31:01] Speaker 10: It's a rather maroon read them jacket.
[31:04] Speaker 9: Of queens Yes, that's right. If we can move to
[31:09] Speaker 9: queens so it's not a sin. Got to cry on, Paul.
[31:11] Speaker 9: You're welcome anytime.
[31:12] Speaker 1: Well, I lovely place, Makay Again, if we can work
[31:16] Speaker 1: out some way for some sort of interstate citizenship thing,
[31:19] Speaker 1: I'm open to this idea and whatever taxes might be involved,
[31:22] Speaker 1: I'll think about it. Look, I'm not going to board
[31:24] Speaker 1: with the same conversation that we have every week, which
[31:26] Speaker 1: is latest opinion poll about Pauline Hanson. Hey, Matt, how
[31:28] Speaker 1: do you feel about it? Right? I don't want to
[31:30] Speaker 1: go there, but I do want to ask Darren about
[31:33] Speaker 1: labor and at what point labor decides to engage and
[31:37] Speaker 1: do the full Dutton, the full Morrison, the full sort
[31:40] Speaker 1: of Trump derangement style thing on Hanson, because inevitably that
[31:45] Speaker 1: will have an effect where either it will solidify everyone
[31:49] Speaker 1: and the vote goes up, or yeah, it starts to
[31:50] Speaker 1: chip it away at a few things two years out.
[31:54] Speaker 1: But when you're starting to lose maybe a little here.
[31:58] Speaker 10: I think that's fair. I don't think you play Pauline yet.
[32:01] Speaker 10: You've got to play issues for quite some time as
[32:04] Speaker 10: we head towards the election itself. Later it might become
[32:09] Speaker 10: I vote for Hanson's a vote for Trump, and the
[32:11] Speaker 10: only ways will form government is with the coalition. If
[32:13] Speaker 10: you vote for ball In, you're voting. You can see
[32:16] Speaker 10: what the logical sequence is. But for now, Labour's got
[32:19] Speaker 10: to try to sell its budget and try and sell
[32:22] Speaker 10: some of the positive changes that it's making. Whether people
[32:26] Speaker 10: buy that or not is a different matter. But they've
[32:28] Speaker 10: got to play issues and policy and they've got to
[32:31] Speaker 10: do that for the foreseeable future. Playing Pauline will only
[32:37] Speaker 10: fuel paul In, and that's what happens when someone's kind
[32:40] Speaker 10: of almost a cult of personality that if you criticize them,
[32:44] Speaker 10: they go up, not down. So Labour's got to play
[32:47] Speaker 10: issues and try and highlight does Pauline represent you or not.
[32:53] Speaker 10: That's where they've got to go, and that's where I
[32:55] Speaker 10: think they will go.
[32:56] Speaker 1: Well. But interesting here too, Matt, where again I'm not
[32:58] Speaker 1: getting into the one nation of rule only because we've
[33:00] Speaker 1: had that conversation one hundred times or I want to
[33:01] Speaker 1: try and keep things fresh for everyone watching. But obviously
[33:04] Speaker 1: this pole also shows right, and obviously you'd prefer to
[33:07] Speaker 1: be the other way around. But fifty one percent of
[33:08] Speaker 1: people in terms of the primary vote are clearly wanting
[33:13] Speaker 1: to move away from where Labor and the Greens have
[33:15] Speaker 1: taken us. And even for Labor to get to forty nine,
[33:18] Speaker 1: they've got to have all their Vaulte and all the
[33:20] Speaker 1: Greens and all the other of which we know there's
[33:22] Speaker 1: all sorts of things in Parma and libertarian and all
[33:24] Speaker 1: the rest of it here. So yeah, I'm going to
[33:26] Speaker 1: go for the half full approach here, which is look
[33:30] Speaker 1: Albo and Labor incredible of being able to buy and
[33:32] Speaker 1: bs and all the rest of it. But it does
[33:34] Speaker 1: feel like what we have been talking about for three
[33:37] Speaker 1: years is dawning on people that this mob are fraudulent
[33:42] Speaker 1: and are not up to what they say they are
[33:44] Speaker 1: when it comes to caring about the little person.
[33:48] Speaker 9: Look, the first job of an opposition Paul is to
[33:53] Speaker 9: point out why the government should be kicked out. That's
[33:57] Speaker 9: the official title that Agus Taylor is given is the
[34:01] Speaker 9: His Majesty's Leader of the Opposition. So he's got a
[34:05] Speaker 9: pose where the governor's doing the wrong thing, and they've
[34:08] Speaker 9: clearly done the wrong thing with this massive tax grab
[34:12] Speaker 9: called their budget. And so that task has been a
[34:17] Speaker 9: success so far. Just a year after a landslide election.
[34:21] Speaker 9: Labor and absolute world have hurt here obviously. Obviously the
[34:25] Speaker 9: second part is convincing people that you've got a better plan,
[34:28] Speaker 9: and we've got a lot of work to do on that.
[34:29] Speaker 9: I've been upfront and recognition that we haven't always got
[34:32] Speaker 9: it right in the past, and I can understand why
[34:35] Speaker 9: people are just looking at us and wondering where we're
[34:38] Speaker 9: going to go. So my job, in Angus's job is
[34:41] Speaker 9: just to keep turning up every day with our plans.
[34:44] Speaker 9: We've got strong plans now to lower taxes by getting
[34:49] Speaker 9: rid of the inflation tax, giving you your tax back.
[34:52] Speaker 9: We're going to scrap net zero and bring energy prices down,
[34:55] Speaker 9: bring the cost of living down for everybody, and we're
[34:57] Speaker 9: going to secure our borders and run a migration program
[35:00] Speaker 9: that's calibrated to the houses we build so young people
[35:02] Speaker 9: can have the best chance of getting a home. They're
[35:05] Speaker 9: all the things the government is ignoring right now. We've
[35:08] Speaker 9: just got to keep banging that drum day up to day.
[35:10] Speaker 9: And that's what I'll keep doing. I'll keep turning up now.
[35:13] Speaker 1: Also, one of the reasons why the politics of housing
[35:17] Speaker 1: has always been fought, right, regardless of whatever your dream
[35:20] Speaker 1: scenario is, the reality is, if you're somebody who doesn't
[35:24] Speaker 1: have a house, can they all please be one dollar
[35:27] Speaker 1: so eventually I can get in. But then if you
[35:30] Speaker 1: buy the joint for a dollar because of all that
[35:32] Speaker 1: stuff I spoke about later that eventually one of the
[35:35] Speaker 1: reasons you need the asset is to pay for the
[35:38] Speaker 1: back nine. You want it to be worth two, three,
[35:40] Speaker 1: four five, right, So the reality is that a third
[35:43] Speaker 1: of people have already paid their home off, so they're
[35:45] Speaker 1: locked into needing more money than they were when it
[35:49] Speaker 1: came to They need that number to be as big
[35:51] Speaker 1: as possible so they can pay for age care. A
[35:53] Speaker 1: third in the middle are paying the joints off right now,
[35:58] Speaker 1: and then a third of people are renting, which somebody
[36:00] Speaker 1: else owns those properties. So Darren, I understand the Also.
[36:04] Speaker 10: That final third that you speak of, no more than
[36:08] Speaker 10: a third of them are likely to own a heart. Correct,
[36:10] Speaker 10: It's not going to be that full ownership across all
[36:14] Speaker 10: sections of society.
[36:16] Speaker 1: Is The dirty devil in housing policy is that if
[36:20] Speaker 1: part of the policy requires prices to go down, that
[36:24] Speaker 1: the consequences is that while that's good for whatever version
[36:28] Speaker 1: of the thirties that need it to go down, there's
[36:32] Speaker 1: more people who need.
[36:33] Speaker 10: To scope it as increasing the supply of affordable housing,
[36:37] Speaker 10: first home buyers, key worker housing, build to rent. They're
[36:41] Speaker 10: trying to not have prices dip but generate more.
[36:47] Speaker 1: Words like a former affordability means.
[36:50] Speaker 10: All governments have done it for the last twenty s
[36:52] Speaker 10: yours and with differing degrees of success. And I go
[36:57] Speaker 10: back to seven to ten. I work for tenure twenty second.
[37:00] Speaker 10: As you know, we did five point six billion dollars
[37:03] Speaker 10: nineteen four hundred new homes for social and affordable housing.
[37:08] Speaker 10: It was a great program, but that number of homes
[37:11] Speaker 10: across the country doesn't really touch the sides and housing policy.
[37:16] Speaker 10: It's such a big part of Australia's liquidity and the
[37:20] Speaker 10: number of people, the number of homes, it's actually really
[37:23] Speaker 10: hard to make a difference in it.
[37:24] Speaker 1: So but when you're talking about fourteen billion four having
[37:27] Speaker 1: many billion four, I mean we're all doing the sums
[37:29] Speaker 1: there about hamm and imper and the.
[37:31] Speaker 10: Waiting amounts of money to make a difference in the
[37:33] Speaker 10: housing market.
[37:34] Speaker 6: Yeah.
[37:34] Speaker 1: But again Matt, this this again political opportunity here where
[37:37] Speaker 1: if the government, i mean the government simultaneously wants to
[37:40] Speaker 1: turn around And Claire O'Neil on the weekend was saying, well,
[37:41] Speaker 1: the budget has really nothing to do with whether the
[37:43] Speaker 1: prices go down or not, because just like their logic
[37:46] Speaker 1: about say Stage three tax cuts, basically it's about what
[37:49] Speaker 1: hang on, which is the bigger group of people. Well,
[37:52] Speaker 1: the biggest group of people want the value to stay
[37:56] Speaker 1: level or to go up, especially the people who borrowed
[37:59] Speaker 1: a lot in the past that five years to get
[38:01] Speaker 1: into the market themselves.
[38:05] Speaker 9: Well there's one other group there, Perhaps you're missing, Paul.
[38:10] Speaker 9: I suppose I'm in that middle group. I've still got
[38:12] Speaker 9: the mortgage, I'm still paying it off, still got the
[38:14] Speaker 9: bank to pay off. But I've got kids as well.
[38:18] Speaker 1: Great point.
[38:18] Speaker 9: And you know, I'm now looking at as much as
[38:22] Speaker 9: the value of our home has gone up, and yep, okay,
[38:26] Speaker 9: there's positive aspects of that. I'm now looking at the
[38:28] Speaker 9: fact that I probably need to work harder and longer
[38:32] Speaker 9: because we've had five kids and there were the sums
[38:34] Speaker 9: On trying to help them have five deposits for homes.
[38:38] Speaker 1: Yeah, so the bank joint's got a lot of branches. Yeah.
[38:42] Speaker 9: Look, well look, you know, I'm very lucky, but I've
[38:46] Speaker 9: got to work for my money, and and so does
[38:50] Speaker 9: everybody out there. So yeah, I just think when median
[38:54] Speaker 9: house prices in Sydney at one point seven million, that's
[38:57] Speaker 9: a bit of a problem and we need to create
[39:00] Speaker 9: new opportunities for younger people to own a home. I
[39:04] Speaker 9: get what Darren's saying about the affordable home that homes,
[39:07] Speaker 9: that's right. It's about the distribution, not just the median, right,
[39:09] Speaker 9: need more homes down at bottom of the market. He
[39:11] Speaker 9: just said he spent five point six billion to build
[39:13] Speaker 9: twenty thousand homes. You know, we build about one hundred
[39:16] Speaker 9: and eighty thousand a year now and that's nowhere near enough.
[39:19] Speaker 9: Twenty thousand ain't touched on the sides. What we've got
[39:22] Speaker 9: to do is take the shackles off the private sector
[39:24] Speaker 9: to do it. The government cannot solve this problem alone.
[39:25] Speaker 9: We don't have money. Five point six billion is a lot,
[39:28] Speaker 9: be a lot more these days we need. That's why
[39:30] Speaker 9: our plan is to cut back this National Construction Code
[39:33] Speaker 9: which is growing like topsy, like weeds in your garden.
[39:37] Speaker 9: Get that back to about two hundred pages over two thousand. Now,
[39:40] Speaker 9: that'll save seventy thousand dollars a home in building a home,
[39:43] Speaker 9: and then yep, release more land, build more cities, get
[39:46] Speaker 9: more opportunity for those young people to have a home
[39:49] Speaker 9: that's not one point seven million. You won't be able
[39:51] Speaker 9: to see the harbor, but you're about to get a
[39:52] Speaker 9: home then at an affordable price, if we free up
[39:55] Speaker 9: the constraints on the private sector.
[39:57] Speaker 1: Fair point all right, last one, Ladson, I've only got
[39:59] Speaker 1: a minute to do this here. I don't have a
[40:00] Speaker 1: problem with the Broncos inviting Ben Robert Smith into their
[40:03] Speaker 1: dressing room because innocent till proven guilty. I thought that
[40:07] Speaker 1: was the system that we live in right here, Darren. Again,
[40:10] Speaker 1: if an organization wants to do it, that's their business.
[40:13] Speaker 10: The NRL's line was right, it's a matter for them.
[40:16] Speaker 10: Nothing to see here.
[40:17] Speaker 1: Yeah, what do you think, Matt Well.
[40:19] Speaker 9: I believe his daughters were with him too, so it's great.
[40:23] Speaker 9: I think it's a great thing that Broncos did to
[40:25] Speaker 9: support his family. As you say, he's innocent before proven guilty,
[40:30] Speaker 9: and his family has probably been dragged through far too
[40:32] Speaker 9: much with IMMDIA, spotlight and the like.
[40:34] Speaker 1: All right, guys, I do appreciate it. Thank you very much.
[40:36] Speaker 1: We'll see you again next week. All right. In a moment,
[40:39] Speaker 1: the bloke who was able to get all those billboards
[40:41] Speaker 1: up around on the way to Parliament pushing against all
[40:44] Speaker 1: of this stuff in the budget, well, he joins us
[40:46] Speaker 1: next to talk about the next plan. Now, this budget
[40:55] Speaker 1: in many ways has fired normal people to fire up
[40:59] Speaker 1: and to fight for or our ambition, the right to
[41:02] Speaker 1: be able to determine your own future, to fight outside
[41:05] Speaker 1: of that triangle of dependence. And Joseph Doubt is the
[41:08] Speaker 1: one who has been leading this campaign. You may well
[41:11] Speaker 1: have seen the billboards that were around Parliament House and
[41:14] Speaker 1: an awful lot that he's done on social media.
[41:18] Speaker 8: Were the winners of the twenty twenty six budgets.
[41:20] Speaker 1: The first time buy is NOLP.
[41:21] Speaker 8: People with disability, NAH, small business owners, they've been disenfranchised.
[41:25] Speaker 8: So the big winner of the budget were foreign investors
[41:27] Speaker 8: who received this year's biggest.
[41:29] Speaker 1: Tax breaks are benefits.
[41:30] Speaker 8: I just spent seventeen and a half thousand dollars of
[41:33] Speaker 8: my own money on billboards at Camera Airport so that
[41:36] Speaker 8: every single MP, every single staffer at every single politician
[41:40] Speaker 8: that was flown in on our tax dollars can see
[41:43] Speaker 8: who they're affecting. If this budget passes through.
[41:46] Speaker 1: There is Joseph Is in the man cave right now.
[41:52] Speaker 1: Websites stoptheambitiontax dot com. That's the point. It's about ambition.
[41:57] Speaker 1: It's about self determination. It's about you being able to
[42:01] Speaker 1: turn your hard work, your weekly monthly paycheck into eventually
[42:06] Speaker 1: a bigger and better life, like the very people who've
[42:09] Speaker 1: pulled this ladder.
[42:10] Speaker 4: Up have done one hundred percent correct Paul. One thing
[42:14] Speaker 4: I do want to discuss. This is not a political campaign,
[42:19] Speaker 4: This is an initiative. This is showing the people in
[42:24] Speaker 4: Canberra what ambition is, what ambition looks like, and why
[42:29] Speaker 4: they should stop trying to attack it. Why are we
[42:32] Speaker 4: taxing hard working Australians people that are just trying to
[42:36] Speaker 4: have a go, people who are just trying to get ahead.
[42:39] Speaker 4: Why are we going after them? Why are we going
[42:42] Speaker 4: into an election saying we won't touch negative gearing, we
[42:45] Speaker 4: won't touch the couple of games discount, and then all
[42:48] Speaker 4: of a sudden, one year later you've got a majority.
[42:50] Speaker 1: Yeah, guys, let's go for that.
[42:51] Speaker 4: Let's revenue raise it that way. It is not fair
[42:54] Speaker 4: to the hard people who to the Sorry, it's not
[42:58] Speaker 4: fair to the Australian people who have put the hard
[43:01] Speaker 4: yakka in.
[43:01] Speaker 1: Absolutely, And what I hate is when people will try
[43:04] Speaker 1: to go, Okay, what's the way to get that this
[43:06] Speaker 1: bloke's you know, making sense, is making a bit of
[43:07] Speaker 1: an impact to you. How do we get him off
[43:09] Speaker 1: the board as fast as possible? Right, which is to go, oh,
[43:11] Speaker 1: he's a mortgage broker, of course, got needs that, we
[43:13] Speaker 1: know what he's doing. No, no, no, What they very
[43:17] Speaker 1: conveniently leave out of the story is the people who
[43:19] Speaker 1: sit opposite people like yourself trying to work out how
[43:23] Speaker 1: they can buy the first house, the next house in
[43:25] Speaker 1: the forever house. Right, The risks that they take to
[43:29] Speaker 1: sit in front to try to work their finances as
[43:32] Speaker 1: hard as they possibly can to facilitate that next level
[43:36] Speaker 1: of ambition. And that's why I think focusing on the
[43:39] Speaker 1: ambition and taxing of ambition is particularly insightful because again
[43:46] Speaker 1: they can say whatever they want about the bloke leading it.
[43:49] Speaker 1: They'll say it, but you're doing it for the people
[43:52] Speaker 1: who come and see you, or as many in the
[43:54] Speaker 1: industry do you go and see them at their kitchen tape.
[43:57] Speaker 4: Can I tell you one story about an individual that
[44:01] Speaker 4: signed up to stop the ambition tax.
[44:03] Speaker 1: Her name is Emily.
[44:04] Speaker 4: Emily is in her twenties. She's a mum. She runs
[44:09] Speaker 4: her own business as she's been saving for her deposit
[44:12] Speaker 4: for her first home. By the share market, she's been
[44:16] Speaker 4: taking the risk. She already takes a risk as a
[44:19] Speaker 4: small business owner who is also just given birth, you know,
[44:24] Speaker 4: adding to our population those things. She's already taken that risk,
[44:27] Speaker 4: and then she's further risks by investing.
[44:30] Speaker 1: In the share market. She should be rewarded.
[44:33] Speaker 4: For investing in Australia. All of a sudden, she has
[44:37] Speaker 4: now been told no, we don't like those rules anymore.
[44:42] Speaker 4: Can you give us a little bit more? They've moved
[44:44] Speaker 4: the goalposts. Why why have they moved the goalposts on
[44:49] Speaker 4: all the young Australians when they were able to get
[44:51] Speaker 4: ahead with those rules beforehand. It is not fair to
[44:56] Speaker 4: the youth of Australia to introduce these new legislation or
[45:01] Speaker 4: to introduce this budget that attacks their savings. We should
[45:05] Speaker 4: be doing more for those people, not less.
[45:07] Speaker 1: It's a great point. And again we've seen all the
[45:10] Speaker 1: different polls from all the different angles here. They all
[45:12] Speaker 1: tell us the same thing, which is that this thing
[45:14] Speaker 1: hasn't done what they thought, which were to create this
[45:16] Speaker 1: giant fault line about under fifty and over fifty. Because
[45:20] Speaker 1: the time when you can take a big risk or
[45:22] Speaker 1: a big swing is when you are in your twenties
[45:25] Speaker 1: and thirties. And the people who have taken that big
[45:29] Speaker 1: swing in the past five teen years, they had a
[45:31] Speaker 1: goal and now that it's been moved, they are understandably furious,
[45:37] Speaker 1: aren't they. Of course they are.
[45:38] Speaker 4: We've had over two thousand, five hundred people sign up
[45:43] Speaker 4: to our petition, to our initiative. These are real individuals.
[45:49] Speaker 4: These they're not a statistic. It's not a number I
[45:53] Speaker 4: keep hearing every single day on the media, sorry through
[45:57] Speaker 4: the media.
[45:58] Speaker 1: Oh, it's not going to.
[45:59] Speaker 4: Have that many people. Okay, sixty percent of small businesses
[46:06] Speaker 4: fail in Australia within their first five years, So we're
[46:11] Speaker 4: going to attack the other forty percent that made it
[46:14] Speaker 4: to the other side. We're going to go after them.
[46:16] Speaker 4: We're going to hit them with more taxes.
[46:18] Speaker 1: Is that faireous? It's silly.
[46:21] Speaker 4: They've said that they want to make this about getting
[46:25] Speaker 4: first home buyers or getting Australians into their home sooner,
[46:29] Speaker 4: and then their same budget modeled that there would be
[46:33] Speaker 4: thirty five thousand less homes over the next few years.
[46:37] Speaker 4: I want to go one step further than that. When
[46:40] Speaker 4: have we ever been able to believe one of their models?
[46:43] Speaker 1: Yeah, good point two hundred.
[46:45] Speaker 4: And seventy five dollars electricity savings.
[46:46] Speaker 1: I'mster waiting for it.
[46:48] Speaker 4: What about the five percent deposit scheme. Wasn't that supposed
[46:51] Speaker 4: to only increase housing prices by half a percent over
[46:53] Speaker 4: five years? It rose one point two percent in just
[46:57] Speaker 4: one month.
[47:00] Speaker 1: I'm not laughing at Joe. I'm loving the passion, mate,
[47:02] Speaker 1: because I think the divide in Australia isn't about left
[47:04] Speaker 1: and right anymore. It's about whether you pay attention or not,
[47:07] Speaker 1: and if you're paying attention you're fired up and I
[47:09] Speaker 1: want people to get behind this right. But is stop
[47:11] Speaker 1: the ambition tax dot com? Stop the ambition tax dot com. Joseph,
[47:15] Speaker 1: thank you so much, man, Thank you so much for
[47:17] Speaker 1: having me on. Paul, thank you, pleasure pleasure all right,
[47:19] Speaker 1: quick break back with more. You can also follow him
[47:21] Speaker 1: on all the socials as well. Good stuff, Well done,
[47:23] Speaker 1: Joseph Morna sec hey before we get to the late debate.
[47:30] Speaker 1: One last thing, Nick, I always love how generally speaking,
[47:35] Speaker 1: people on the center left of Australian politics always pretend
[47:38] Speaker 1: that we're big on transparency. It's the right wing parties
[47:43] Speaker 1: want to hide away everything. Obviously a giant movement that's
[47:47] Speaker 1: been built up around the teals about you know again,
[47:50] Speaker 1: corruption all the rest of it. Well, I spent a
[47:53] Speaker 1: lot of time talking about the problems in Victoria that
[47:56] Speaker 1: when you have one party in power for the best
[47:58] Speaker 1: part of thirty years, you get what's called gray corruption,
[48:01] Speaker 1: where essentially, after thirty years of everyone being appointed by
[48:04] Speaker 1: the political party, they start being loyal to the political party,
[48:08] Speaker 1: not giving the free and frank advice that somebody who's
[48:12] Speaker 1: more down the middle. We've told you before about how
[48:15] Speaker 1: in this very budget they cut the money to the
[48:18] Speaker 1: corruption body. Well, believe it or not, Jacinta Allen is
[48:22] Speaker 1: now promising to increase the powers of the anti corruption organization.
[48:27] Speaker 1: The only problem is you'll have to re elect her
[48:29] Speaker 1: and then she'll put it in place in eighteen months time. No,
[48:33] Speaker 1: you've had your time, you've had your go. You've done
[48:36] Speaker 1: every and anything as a government to undermine those that
[48:39] Speaker 1: are the independent officers, including what you did to them
[48:42] Speaker 1: in this year's budget. No, if you fought for that trick,
[48:45] Speaker 1: well then you were never going to vote for anyone
[48:47] Speaker 1: other than but Victoria. Please change the government.

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