# Paul Murray Live | 23 June

An episode of [Paul Murray Live](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/376966263), 23 Jun 2026, 49 min.

Audio: https://p.podderapp.com/2544644999/traffic.omny.fm/d/clips/2fb3740d-3436-44af-8cc0-a91900716aa5/be3abd48-25e5-45a6-aede-ac2a00524a12/40b9c2b7-4420-4c52-bc00-b47200d0a2cc/audio.mp3?utm_source=Podcast&in_playlist=95971714-8fe6-4855-b1fe-ac2a00524a12

One Nation pushes for 'monoculture', Labor reaches a deal with the Greens. Plus, Pauline Hanson clarified her view on parental leave. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:00] Speaker 1: From the sky new Setter. This is Paul Murray Live. Hello.
[0:06] Speaker 1: I made our big guest tonight is going to be
[0:08] Speaker 1: Nigel Farage. What day time to have a chat to him.
[0:10] Speaker 1: According to the polls he would be the next Prime
[0:13] Speaker 1: Minister of the UK, but of course Keir Starmer has
[0:15] Speaker 1: got out of the way. There will be a next
[0:17] Speaker 1: prime minister before we get to a chance for Nigel
[0:20] Speaker 1: Farrage to become that prime minister. We will have an
[0:22] Speaker 1: extended conversation with in Line from London in a moment
[0:25] Speaker 1: or two time. But first I want to deal with
[0:27] Speaker 1: a big idea and it is a big idea that
[0:32] Speaker 1: one nation has tapped into over the past few months,
[0:35] Speaker 1: but it is one that millions of people have felt
[0:38] Speaker 1: for a very long time. It is this conversation in
[0:42] Speaker 1: and around multiculturalism and as Pauline Hanson put it, mono culturalism.
[0:47] Speaker 1: You remember the speech given about a week ago at
[0:50] Speaker 1: the National Press Club when Pauline Hanson used these words
[0:53] Speaker 1: and the left.
[0:54] Speaker 2: Wing nuts we cannot be a multicultural society. We are
[1:01] Speaker 2: a multi racial society, but we must be mono cultural.
[1:08] Speaker 2: Australians must live under the one cultural umbrella.
[1:12] Speaker 1: Now agree with the term or not know the term,
[1:15] Speaker 1: or not those of us wholl understand what she was saying.
[1:18] Speaker 1: Understand what she was saying for those who want to
[1:21] Speaker 1: deliberately twist it while you've seen the reaction.
[1:26] Speaker 3: This side of the House recognizes in Australian values be
[1:30] Speaker 3: fast and important contribution.
[1:33] Speaker 4: Made by multicultural Australian.
[1:36] Speaker 5: I think our diversity as a nation is a strength.
[1:42] Speaker 1: We are a multi cultural nation. We always have been
[1:47] Speaker 1: and always will be.
[1:49] Speaker 6: That is who we are.
[1:51] Speaker 1: It's what makes Australia great. Do you like how she
[1:55] Speaker 1: was glitching glitching there at glitching glitching a little bit
[1:57] Speaker 1: with always what always hang on? That said? Another glit
[2:00] Speaker 1: glit anyway, And then there's just the people who outright
[2:03] Speaker 1: lie about what Pauline Hansen says, believes and would plan
[2:08] Speaker 1: to do if she got anywhere closer to power in Australia, and.
[2:12] Speaker 7: Soon spoke a lot about what she wants to take
[2:14] Speaker 7: away from people. She wants to take away the ability
[2:18] Speaker 7: of the Tetras and the nunners and the Aas to
[2:20] Speaker 7: speak their language to their grandchildren.
[2:25] Speaker 1: All you know, I know, rubbish, garbage, total crap, total crap.
[2:32] Speaker 1: The bit where she was talking about language. Of course,
[2:34] Speaker 1: was pointing out that according to the Census, there's a
[2:36] Speaker 1: certain number of people who either can't speak English well
[2:38] Speaker 1: or maybe not at all, and how do those people
[2:42] Speaker 1: operate in a society where the agreed language is English
[2:47] Speaker 1: as a way of being able to traverse everything from
[2:49] Speaker 1: buying a bus ticket to getting a driver's license. That
[2:53] Speaker 1: we all know what that was about, but not so
[2:55] Speaker 1: subtle dog whistling coming from those that are frightened by
[2:58] Speaker 1: what Pauline Hanson represents. And of course she ultimately represents
[3:02] Speaker 1: a disruption. Now you may think it'd be incredibly positive
[3:05] Speaker 1: or potentially negative whatever, but we certainly know that it
[3:09] Speaker 1: is a giant breakaway from Colsonwooly Coke and Pepsi. It
[3:13] Speaker 1: is a giant disruption to the political market. Well today,
[3:20] Speaker 1: the game that the Canberra Columbos were playing was not
[3:24] Speaker 1: following the government on their many problems. Instead, I suppose
[3:27] Speaker 1: they think the government gets a pass now because we
[3:29] Speaker 1: were mean to them for five weeks six weeks since
[3:33] Speaker 1: the budgets, So you know, time to put the blowtorch
[3:37] Speaker 1: onto Angus Taylor. And he's asked directly to support multiculturalism
[3:42] Speaker 1: or monoculturalism again, are we really going to get into
[3:44] Speaker 1: this fight? But this was the back and forth.
[3:47] Speaker 8: You do support multiculturalism, seems like a pretty stroke.
[3:50] Speaker 3: Because you wanted to define it for meusy, I.
[3:52] Speaker 4: Just wonder if that's a problem to you that.
[3:54] Speaker 3: You can't know we could have people from all over
[3:56] Speaker 3: the world, right, that is not a problem.
[4:00] Speaker 1: Let me finish.
[4:01] Speaker 3: Now you got me going here, so let me let
[4:03] Speaker 3: me have a We can have people from all over
[4:05] Speaker 3: the world, of all races and religions in this country,
[4:09] Speaker 3: but they must share those core values.
[4:14] Speaker 1: But it seems like rather than talking about the complications
[4:18] Speaker 1: of how many people you can have at any one
[4:20] Speaker 1: time being added to a country's population, what the consequences
[4:24] Speaker 1: of that are? Just logistical forget anything else. This is
[4:28] Speaker 1: now going to because you know, the Labor Party and
[4:32] Speaker 1: the left or they will try to avoid all of
[4:35] Speaker 1: the distinction. Ironically, this becomes a black and white issue
[4:39] Speaker 1: when generally speaking, they like to say there's many shades
[4:43] Speaker 1: of color, many colors in the rainbow. And the Prime
[4:46] Speaker 1: Minister decided to hone on on this today. Now, remember
[4:49] Speaker 1: he is desperately searching, desperately searching for a circuit breaker
[4:53] Speaker 1: and the speech from Pauline Hansen, and that term absolutely
[4:56] Speaker 1: has given him one that he thinks is the beginning
[4:59] Speaker 1: of the fight back of the mant and currently frankly
[5:01] Speaker 1: despised by the working class. Why every opinion Pole tells
[5:04] Speaker 1: was more than six out of ten disapprove of his job.
[5:08] Speaker 1: And he wanted to say that essentially, those who support
[5:11] Speaker 1: one nation, those who support the conservative side, those who
[5:14] Speaker 1: don't have tattooed on their body diversity of their strength,
[5:17] Speaker 1: somehow live in a fantasy land that never really existed.
[5:22] Speaker 5: Australia is not a monoculture and it never has burned. Indeed,
[5:29] Speaker 5: under pre seventeen seventy and then seventeen eighty eight, there
[5:36] Speaker 5: were many first nations in this country.
[5:41] Speaker 1: Okay, And I've course been thinking about it like many
[5:46] Speaker 1: for the past few days, about this concept of I
[5:48] Speaker 1: don't know whether the word monoculture is the way to
[5:51] Speaker 1: combat the complexities of modern Australia that have become very
[5:56] Speaker 1: difficult for lots of people. And certainly this word though
[6:00] Speaker 1: going to become a lightning rod. But I did want
[6:03] Speaker 1: to talk about something which was a shared sense of Australia.
[6:09] Speaker 1: Now you know how it works, you read a story
[6:12] Speaker 1: in the newspaper, hear it on the radio, seat on
[6:14] Speaker 1: the television, you go, hang, I'm sorry, what are they
[6:16] Speaker 1: changing now? And then if you turn around and say, well,
[6:19] Speaker 1: hang on, why do you need to change it? The
[6:21] Speaker 1: person who's changing it but didn't ask for your permission,
[6:23] Speaker 1: just did it because they thought it was the right
[6:25] Speaker 1: thing to do, turns around and says, ah, you are
[6:27] Speaker 1: fighting a culture war. But there was a time in
[6:31] Speaker 1: our not so recent past when certain things were not
[6:36] Speaker 1: being changed every day. In fact, they were being embraced
[6:40] Speaker 1: by the progressive side of politics, like pride in the
[6:45] Speaker 1: Australian flag. Iconic image from a long time ago, but
[6:49] Speaker 1: still within living memory of at least half of Australia,
[6:53] Speaker 1: was when the Australian Prime Minister wore somebody else's jack
[6:56] Speaker 1: of the word Australia, Australia, Australia all over it, a
[6:58] Speaker 1: map of Australia with a flag of Australia to celebrate
[7:02] Speaker 1: nine pine eighty three. Of course, the America's Cup victory.
[7:07] Speaker 1: That same Prime minister, when he was seeking votes, campaigned
[7:11] Speaker 1: in front of the Australian flag and are you sitting down?
[7:17] Speaker 1: This is how the Labor Party used to present itself
[7:20] Speaker 1: in order to win votes in Australia. This is not
[7:24] Speaker 1: a button from the nineteen thirties. This was yes, from
[7:28] Speaker 1: the Hawk era. Now. Put simply, when you look at that,
[7:34] Speaker 1: the first three words would definitely not be something the
[7:37] Speaker 1: Labor Party would want to say at any time now
[7:39] Speaker 1: it would be considered offensive. The bottom third of it
[7:42] Speaker 1: being the Australian flag foof Mary Old, England is in
[7:45] Speaker 1: the corner. Get rid of it. But this is what
[7:48] Speaker 1: used to be agreed in Australia that back then, yes,
[7:52] Speaker 1: the choice of coke and pepsi, but the parties of
[7:54] Speaker 1: government embraced the Australian flag in the logo of their
[7:58] Speaker 1: political parties. And this was not because Australia was a
[8:03] Speaker 1: bunch of knuckle draggers, a bunch of people getting around
[8:06] Speaker 1: in terry toweling hats, blue singlets and slapping Sheila's on
[8:11] Speaker 1: the rack side. It was a place where, yes, there
[8:16] Speaker 1: was cultural diversity. There were people from lots of places
[8:19] Speaker 1: around the world. There were, of course, continuing on people
[8:24] Speaker 1: from indigenous communities and cultures. Now, it was the nineteen
[8:29] Speaker 1: eighty some magical time that automatically everything was great. No,
[8:32] Speaker 1: Plenty was wrong. Plenty was wrong. Principally, it was illegal
[8:36] Speaker 1: to be gay in many states of Australia. Now these
[8:43] Speaker 1: issues slowly get dealt with by time, and slowly the
[8:47] Speaker 1: standard changes. But none of us would have thought that
[8:51] Speaker 1: the umbrella under which we get to live from coast
[8:56] Speaker 1: to coast, from tip to tow. The umbrella is that
[9:02] Speaker 1: national flag that pride in Australia. The concept of Team
[9:07] Speaker 1: Australia is not Team fu everyone else. But of course
[9:11] Speaker 1: we now have a Prime Minister who wouldn't dare do
[9:14] Speaker 1: what Hawk did. Instead, the Australian flag is just one
[9:17] Speaker 1: of three that he stands beside, and the Australian flag
[9:21] Speaker 1: isn't even the most important one in the middle. I
[9:26] Speaker 1: also want to show you the time that perhaps Pauline
[9:29] Speaker 1: Hansen is talking about, but certainly the culture that I
[9:33] Speaker 1: was soaked in as a young bloke. I was in
[9:38] Speaker 1: primary school in nineteen eighty eight, and I remember the
[9:40] Speaker 1: incredible excitement to be an average kid from an average
[9:45] Speaker 1: house and an average Australian suburb, excited that Australia, this
[9:51] Speaker 1: little thing at the end of the world, was punching
[9:53] Speaker 1: above its weight. When it came to sport or the
[9:55] Speaker 1: arts or something like that was about to celebrate two
[9:58] Speaker 1: hundred years now, would I have re enacted the first
[10:02] Speaker 1: fleet arriving? Probably not. Does seem to rub a little
[10:05] Speaker 1: bit of salt into the wounds, but it wasn't like
[10:09] Speaker 1: it was a completely ignorant time that there was a
[10:13] Speaker 1: world before, and there is a world now, and there
[10:15] Speaker 1: will be a future worth celebrating. This is how we
[10:19] Speaker 1: celebrated Australia turning two hundred years when the wokest to
[10:25] Speaker 1: the woke, the lefty of the left, the righty of
[10:28] Speaker 1: the right, all were able to stand side by side
[10:31] Speaker 1: and not be team red, not be team blue, but
[10:33] Speaker 1: be team red, white and blue, to be teen green
[10:35] Speaker 1: and gold. There I say, you remember the song? Well,
[10:56] Speaker 1: of course Australia day. Now we have federal government minister
[11:00] Speaker 1: among others who say we definitely should move the date,
[11:03] Speaker 1: why it's insensitive to Indigenous people, as if April the
[11:06] Speaker 1: fourteenth or August seven is going to be any better.
[11:10] Speaker 1: Patrick Gorman is a Federal government minister. He of course
[11:13] Speaker 1: is one of those who says change the date, change
[11:16] Speaker 1: a time. But what I love about modern Australia the
[11:20] Speaker 1: twenty twenty five version of a leader embracing the national
[11:25] Speaker 1: flag is Dye Lee, a refugee to Australia. That is
[11:31] Speaker 1: the modern version of somebody embracing the umbrella under which
[11:35] Speaker 1: we all live, the idea that from wherever you come from,
[11:39] Speaker 1: whether you're born or you come here, the thing that
[11:42] Speaker 1: unites us is the richness of the land, the freedom
[11:48] Speaker 1: of the people, and the national symbols. And national symbols
[11:51] Speaker 1: can change. Obviously, flags don't occur naturally. They're designed they'd
[11:56] Speaker 1: agreed on. But this is our national symbol and a
[12:00] Speaker 1: perfect example of somebody who has made it on her
[12:03] Speaker 1: own from refugee status all the way to being a
[12:06] Speaker 1: member of parliament. She's the one wearing the national flag.
[12:10] Speaker 1: The Prime Minister isn't even standing in front of it,
[12:13] Speaker 1: let alone running for a political party that says put
[12:15] Speaker 1: Australia first. This is what I think the conversation is
[12:22] Speaker 1: rallying around now, whether the term monoculture is going to
[12:27] Speaker 1: become a lightning rod one of those words they're going
[12:29] Speaker 1: to punish people for. Probably, But this is not a
[12:35] Speaker 1: defense of monoculturalism, and it is not an attack on multiculturalism.
[12:41] Speaker 1: It is a plea to those who do not understand
[12:45] Speaker 1: where millions of us come from. That from where millions
[12:49] Speaker 1: of us come from is a want to be able
[12:52] Speaker 1: to celebrate the great things of this country, not to
[12:57] Speaker 1: be ignorant of its past, not to be unaware of
[13:00] Speaker 1: its flaws, but to see that even if you come
[13:03] Speaker 1: here as a refugee, you could become a member of Parliament.
[13:08] Speaker 1: And she's not somebody who, like many people who ascend
[13:11] Speaker 1: to the leadership class, pulled the ladder up behind them.
[13:14] Speaker 1: She's a person who is saying, no, no, I'm not
[13:16] Speaker 1: playing victim. I'm not turning up on Radio National. I'm
[13:19] Speaker 1: not sitting into that little slot of which the established
[13:23] Speaker 1: order would like me to be. I'm going to surprise
[13:26] Speaker 1: you by being more overtly pro the country than the
[13:30] Speaker 1: other people that are leading it. And again it's a
[13:34] Speaker 1: different time, but still remember when the Australian of the
[13:38] Speaker 1: Year was an achiever, right when it was yes, someone
[13:42] Speaker 1: like a John Farnham where if you actually have a look,
[13:44] Speaker 1: they used to give as the Australian of the Year
[13:47] Speaker 1: a trophy that had the Australian flag in it. Now
[13:51] Speaker 1: it doesn't even have a person on it. I love
[13:54] Speaker 1: that Kathy Freeman represented Australia, won her gold medal, owned
[13:59] Speaker 1: her head write and became the Australian of the Year.
[14:02] Speaker 1: I'll take that over the person whose chief achievement seemed
[14:06] Speaker 1: to be telling people that when you walk into a room,
[14:10] Speaker 1: that being David Morrison here, that when you walk into
[14:13] Speaker 1: a room, don't say guys, guys. That was his achievement.
[14:17] Speaker 1: It wasn't like Kay Cottie who sailed around the world
[14:20] Speaker 1: by themselves. Wasn't Richard Scollier coming up with ways to
[14:23] Speaker 1: fight cancer? And then of course there's old mate. This
[14:29] Speaker 1: is what frustrates certain Australians, not because we want to
[14:34] Speaker 1: live in the past, but because we want to be
[14:36] Speaker 1: able to look forward to a future where no matter
[14:41] Speaker 1: what you speak at home, no matter what God you
[14:44] Speaker 1: believe or don't believe in, no matter who you love
[14:47] Speaker 1: or don't love, there's an overarching umbrella, one that's bigger
[14:53] Speaker 1: than all of us, that's better than all of us,
[14:55] Speaker 1: that if all of us put the effort in, gets
[14:57] Speaker 1: stronger and stronger and stronger. Forget all this diversity is
[15:03] Speaker 1: our strength. Australia is our strength. When people want to
[15:08] Speaker 1: come here, they want to come here because of how
[15:11] Speaker 1: free it is, because we respect women, because sexuality is
[15:19] Speaker 1: not a jailable offense, because you can live next door
[15:25] Speaker 1: to somebody who is completely different than you, but eventually
[15:29] Speaker 1: slowly but surely bond on familiarity that comes from get
[15:33] Speaker 1: a mate. Does this mean that we will never have
[15:36] Speaker 1: any problems ever? Again? No, I'm not naive. Human beings
[15:39] Speaker 1: no where to where you put them, find a way
[15:41] Speaker 1: to screw things up. But there is nothing wrong. There
[15:44] Speaker 1: is nothing wrong with people who are advocating of something
[15:49] Speaker 1: being on top of the concept of you know what,
[15:54] Speaker 1: if you live here, the collective effort which started forty
[15:59] Speaker 1: years sixty five thousand years ago to two hundred years ago,
[16:04] Speaker 1: that went from hundreds to thousands to millions to tens
[16:07] Speaker 1: of millions, That that collective strength that comes from those
[16:13] Speaker 1: shared values, not militaristic enforcement, but a shared sense of
[16:21] Speaker 1: your right to be able to speak your mind, to
[16:24] Speaker 1: march freely up and down any street day or night,
[16:30] Speaker 1: to believe that when someone wrongs you physically, they will
[16:33] Speaker 1: be punished for it by a criminal system. That's what
[16:40] Speaker 1: they're talking about now. Again, Will all of the past
[16:43] Speaker 1: fifteen minutes matter at all to those who just see
[16:46] Speaker 1: monoculture as the word to be able to go stamp stamp,
[16:50] Speaker 1: stamp stamp. But they're not interested. But remember the DNA
[16:56] Speaker 1: of their stock is a labor party that you used
[17:00] Speaker 1: to have a badge that said put Australia first. As
[17:06] Speaker 1: I said, we didn't change. They changed. They changed for
[17:13] Speaker 1: whatever reason, and there's multiplicities of it. But when they
[17:18] Speaker 1: turn around and change things, and they change it faster
[17:21] Speaker 1: and faster and more and more of it every single
[17:24] Speaker 1: day for whatever reason. But they change every single day.
[17:27] Speaker 1: And when you turn around say blah blah blah blah. No, no,
[17:28] Speaker 1: hang on, why are you punching holes? Why are punching
[17:31] Speaker 1: holes in the roof? The roof's awesome, it's protecting us,
[17:33] Speaker 1: it's taking get Why are you shooting holes in it?
[17:36] Speaker 1: Because we're fundamentally racist. Bang. They are doing damage to
[17:41] Speaker 1: what could be and should be. And I still believe
[17:44] Speaker 1: is our greatest strength. And just because I spent a
[17:47] Speaker 1: lot of time on YouTube today, this is how we
[17:49] Speaker 1: used to celebrate Australia to the rest of the world
[17:51] Speaker 1: when we said come over. In the beginning, when God
[17:58] Speaker 1: created the world, a lot of weird and wonderful things
[18:02] Speaker 1: left over. What do I do with these?
[18:04] Speaker 9: He thought, I know, I'll stick them all down under,
[18:09] Speaker 9: he said, in Australia the land of wonder.
[18:14] Speaker 4: So he gave us thousands of miles of fantastic coralry.
[18:19] Speaker 1: And they're so clean you can't even see it. The best.
[18:25] Speaker 1: Oh and back then, in this dark, evil, terrible time
[18:30] Speaker 1: of which we celebrated Australia, we used to celebrate our soldiers,
[18:35] Speaker 1: not try to put them in court. Instead we put
[18:38] Speaker 1: them in beer raids. So much toxic masculinity. I'm scared.
[19:06] Speaker 1: But perhaps my favorite little nugget I found today somebody's
[19:10] Speaker 1: uploaded to YouTube. Remember when TV stations used to turn
[19:13] Speaker 1: off in the middle of the night. Now, thankfully we
[19:14] Speaker 1: don't exist in that world anymore. And if you're awake
[19:17] Speaker 1: in the middle of the night, there's all sorts of
[19:18] Speaker 1: stuff to slowly put you back to sleep. But TV
[19:21] Speaker 1: stations used to finish And this is how the ABC
[19:25] Speaker 1: in Sydney used to finish every night before the test
[19:29] Speaker 1: pattern came on. Who's ready to run through a brick wall?
[19:59] Speaker 1: I know, I am. The theme of this evening's program
[20:04] Speaker 1: is pretty simple. We didn't change they did all right,
[20:14] Speaker 1: let's get to the rest of the day's news. Naja
[20:16] Speaker 1: Faraj in a couple of minutes time. So big news
[20:20] Speaker 1: out of Canbra tonight is that they have done a
[20:21] Speaker 1: deal and the deal is that the budget will become law.
[20:26] Speaker 1: We support from the Greens. Labour's reforms will sail through
[20:30] Speaker 1: the Senate. But the deal comes at a cost, as.
[20:33] Speaker 3: The government claims victory on its central budget bill, the
[20:36] Speaker 3: capital gains taxing negative gearing changes, set to pass the
[20:39] Speaker 3: Senate on Thursday, with the Greens backing.
[20:42] Speaker 9: Federally, Labour has struck a deal with the Greens to
[20:44] Speaker 9: get its tax packaged through Parliament in what is describing
[20:47] Speaker 9: as a win for workers and first home buyers.
[20:52] Speaker 1: Okay, according to the Financial Review, they of course had
[20:54] Speaker 1: a little detail, which was that self managed super funds.
[20:58] Speaker 1: You're one of those people, you know, it's crazy self
[21:00] Speaker 1: fund it retire read people or you're about to copple whack.
[21:03] Speaker 1: Why people would self managed superannuation funds are the layers
[21:06] Speaker 1: casualties the federal budget. After the government came into a
[21:09] Speaker 1: demand from the Greens to ban funds from borrowing to
[21:12] Speaker 1: purchase residential properties to avoid capital gains tax so if
[21:16] Speaker 1: you are currently using your self managed super fund to
[21:19] Speaker 1: buy property, I'm not going to be able to do it.
[21:21] Speaker 1: If you do it, you're going to have to end
[21:22] Speaker 1: up paying more tax. The enclosure of the so called
[21:26] Speaker 1: loophole along with the agreement to postpone by two months.
[21:28] Speaker 1: The passage of the legislation reformed to the ndis so
[21:31] Speaker 1: all of the cuts, all of the savings, they don't happen.
[21:35] Speaker 1: Instead the taxes they keep going up. I mean, this
[21:38] Speaker 1: thing gets past and it becomes law. Understandably, the opposition
[21:41] Speaker 1: not a fan of the deal.
[21:44] Speaker 10: Government's budget is in complete disarray. Jim Chalmers no longer
[21:48] Speaker 10: knows what's in his budget. The Greens are dictating the terms.
[21:53] Speaker 10: And what we know is Jim Chalmers declared war on
[21:55] Speaker 10: small business in his budget. Now the Greens are telling
[21:58] Speaker 10: him he has to fight another battle against self managed superanuds.
[22:04] Speaker 1: And Paula Hanson was doing the same in the Senate.
[22:07] Speaker 2: And the Green steel with the laybor is absolutely disgusting.
[22:10] Speaker 2: They are the biggest property holders, they've got their they're
[22:14] Speaker 2: passing this because they're grandparton. They're looked after, they've got
[22:18] Speaker 2: their properties. How many properties each are they I think
[22:20] Speaker 2: the most of anyone of any one party, of everyone else,
[22:24] Speaker 2: and yet they're quite happy to see this go through.
[22:29] Speaker 2: And you think you're looking our future generations and what
[22:32] Speaker 2: your time now?
[22:34] Speaker 1: Continuing the happy theme of how good is Australia in
[22:36] Speaker 1: twenty twenty six compared to when it was actually awesome?
[22:40] Speaker 1: But still it's still awesome. Australia's birth rate gone down,
[22:44] Speaker 1: a number of people that are having babies percentage of
[22:46] Speaker 1: the population, the fertility rate of course, down, down, deeper
[22:49] Speaker 1: and down it happens. Yet the population, of course is
[22:52] Speaker 1: going to keep going up and up, up, all the
[22:54] Speaker 1: way to potentially what forty five million people by the
[22:57] Speaker 1: twenty sixties twenty seventies. How's that going to happen? Well,
[23:01] Speaker 1: if they're not having babies, then immigration only way to
[23:04] Speaker 1: do it, right, and well see my earlier comments with
[23:08] Speaker 1: why occasionally people might have an issue with that, but
[23:10] Speaker 1: you know, not allowed to talk about it, right, But
[23:14] Speaker 1: as always there is this question and look, everyone remembers
[23:17] Speaker 1: that point in time in your twenties where are probably
[23:19] Speaker 1: not gonna have kids? Probably not, you know, like I
[23:21] Speaker 1: was gonna say, a bit of cash, you know, look,
[23:24] Speaker 1: rather than doing it we're going to go overseas all
[23:25] Speaker 1: the time, and then first person in the friend group,
[23:29] Speaker 1: first person in the family, and then eventually people do
[23:32] Speaker 1: it right. Well, the most recent group of young people
[23:36] Speaker 1: going through what I'm sure they believe is the first
[23:38] Speaker 1: generation to ever consider potentially not having kids. But what
[23:42] Speaker 1: is the reason why some of them are saying they
[23:44] Speaker 1: don't want to have kids? Well, according to this report
[23:47] Speaker 1: which I was reading today, climate change, climate change and
[23:53] Speaker 1: the rising fears about it along with global warming and
[23:55] Speaker 1: contributing to Gen zs not wanting to have kids. A
[23:58] Speaker 1: study of ten thousand into age between nineteen to twenty
[24:01] Speaker 1: four is found that most are concerned about the environment
[24:04] Speaker 1: are more likely than their non greeny peers to not
[24:07] Speaker 1: want kids. Other deciding factors including faith in public institutions
[24:11] Speaker 1: like police and hospitals. I'm not having kids because of
[24:13] Speaker 1: the police, along with economic considerations such as having a
[24:18] Speaker 1: job fair enough, according to the study by the Australian
[24:21] Speaker 1: Institute of Family Studies. Now again, you remember from your youth,
[24:24] Speaker 1: I remember from mine. Oh, when will the time be right?
[24:26] Speaker 1: It's never the right time. There's never enough money, you're
[24:29] Speaker 1: never fit enough, you're never happy enough. The house is
[24:31] Speaker 1: never clean enough, you get it right, But we have
[24:33] Speaker 1: them anyway because they're fantastic and they are how we
[24:37] Speaker 1: not just renew ourselves, but renew our country. Remember all
[24:41] Speaker 1: of that. One of the people who was interviewed in this,
[24:45] Speaker 1: a young person by the name of Abby, said this
[24:47] Speaker 1: as to why she's considering not having kids now. Again,
[24:50] Speaker 1: she's not locked into this, she's sixteen. With climate change,
[24:54] Speaker 1: it would be really difficult raising kids, not knowing what
[24:57] Speaker 1: the world will be like in twenty years when they're adults,
[25:00] Speaker 1: and how bad climate change will be. Then I'll let
[25:05] Speaker 1: you in on a little secret when I travel around
[25:08] Speaker 1: the United States for that documentary which will be up
[25:11] Speaker 1: in just a few days time. In fact, not this
[25:13] Speaker 1: but next Wednesday, July, the first looking forward to celebrating
[25:16] Speaker 1: Trumps America, but more importantly America in general. It didn't
[25:19] Speaker 1: matter whether I was talking to college kids in Washington
[25:24] Speaker 1: or whether I was talking to people at NASCAR in Mississippi.
[25:30] Speaker 1: There were a lot of young people who were cautious
[25:32] Speaker 1: about having kids. Why. The reasons often change, but it's
[25:40] Speaker 1: not a unique issue to Australia. And yes, people mentioned
[25:43] Speaker 1: climate change multiple times along the way, but again to
[25:48] Speaker 1: any young person who is concerned about somehow the world
[25:51] Speaker 1: around them not being safe enough to bring up a kid,
[25:54] Speaker 1: breaking news. It's never been all the way back from
[25:59] Speaker 1: when persons we're doing it, and you didn't know whether
[26:04] Speaker 1: the kid would survive, all the way through to depression
[26:06] Speaker 1: and World War, whether there was nuclear annihilation, whether the
[26:12] Speaker 1: stock market was going to crash. The wonderful thing about
[26:14] Speaker 1: humans is we adapt. We find a way around it,
[26:17] Speaker 1: we find a way to improve it, we find a
[26:19] Speaker 1: way through. And is there tragedy along the way, including
[26:22] Speaker 1: tragedies that were no fault of anyone's yep. But if
[26:27] Speaker 1: you are scared of life, you won't live it. When
[26:30] Speaker 1: life lets you down, when something hurts you, when something
[26:33] Speaker 1: knocks you down, I hope you have a support system
[26:35] Speaker 1: around you to pick you up. But believe me, one
[26:39] Speaker 1: foot in front of the other is the only way
[26:43] Speaker 1: to walk, to march, to run, and to live life.
[26:49] Speaker 1: Quick breakback with more here on Paul Murray Live. Nige
[26:51] Speaker 1: for us is our special guest will join us in
[26:53] Speaker 1: a couple of moments time. He'll be doing so live
[26:55] Speaker 1: from London. Pluk in hand. There, Well, let's see what
[26:58] Speaker 1: happens when he's in our studio more in a moment.
[27:05] Speaker 1: Thank you so much for watching. Remember all of the
[27:07] Speaker 1: highlights of this program and all the others with Sky
[27:09] Speaker 1: News dot Com. That are you Wednesday night, Wednesday Night,
[27:11] Speaker 1: Wednesday night, not this, but next is when I cannot.
[27:14] Speaker 1: I just am so honestly proud of this little thing,
[27:17] Speaker 1: this little doco we've been making for a little while
[27:19] Speaker 1: about the story of America. It's a great run from
[27:21] Speaker 1: Cedar Shining, see a lot of fun, great people and
[27:24] Speaker 1: some genuine surprises along the way. Can't wait to start
[27:27] Speaker 1: showing you some glimpses of it anyway. That's next Wednesday.
[27:29] Speaker 1: Nigel Farage up in about well a few minutes from now.
[27:32] Speaker 1: In the meantime. Carlos Korrember is a One Nation member
[27:35] Speaker 1: of the South Australian Parliament. He joins US now from
[27:38] Speaker 1: Canberra this evening. And Linda Scott, who I'm sure has
[27:42] Speaker 1: plans to return to Camber at some point, but she's
[27:44] Speaker 1: been plenty of times of course here representing team read
[27:47] Speaker 1: here in the man Cave. So let's bounce through as
[27:50] Speaker 1: many of these as possible and not just come back
[27:52] Speaker 1: to an eternal debate that we often seem to have
[27:55] Speaker 1: on a Tuesday night, But there'll be ways to have
[27:57] Speaker 1: that debate. So the Prime Minister any statement today about
[28:01] Speaker 1: Australia never being monocultural. I've had my say about what
[28:05] Speaker 1: I think people mean when they get frustrated with the
[28:10] Speaker 1: celebration of diversity is their strength and multiculturalism, That it's
[28:14] Speaker 1: not about colors and creeds and beliefs and skin colors
[28:18] Speaker 1: and food, but it is about again that idea that
[28:21] Speaker 1: you know, Bob Hawk and the Labour Party used to
[28:24] Speaker 1: wrap themselves in the flag and now well it's just
[28:26] Speaker 1: one of three and it's kind of the least important one.
[28:28] Speaker 1: It's sort of over here in the corner. That's my
[28:31] Speaker 1: point on all of this. But Linda, as you no
[28:34] Speaker 1: doubt have been a person who's critical of one nation
[28:37] Speaker 1: and you've seen this conversation. Are we going to get
[28:40] Speaker 1: not that you represent the entirety of the left, but
[28:42] Speaker 1: are we going to get from the left this battering
[28:44] Speaker 1: ram of the word monoculturalism for the next two years
[28:47] Speaker 1: that if you believe in anything other than the tattoo
[28:49] Speaker 1: of diversity is our strength and somehow you're part of
[28:52] Speaker 1: the problem.
[28:54] Speaker 6: Look, I mean Pauline Hanson and One Nation for many
[28:57] Speaker 6: years have attacked kind of group after group, and the
[28:59] Speaker 6: group's change over time. But she's just attacked so many
[29:02] Speaker 6: groups now it's just hard to keep up. I think
[29:06] Speaker 6: it is true that Australia has never been a monoculture.
[29:10] Speaker 6: You know, as the Prime Minister said today, even before
[29:13] Speaker 6: seventeen eighty eight, there were many different indigenous lands, many
[29:16] Speaker 6: different tribes, many different languages and cultures, and that has thrived.
[29:22] Speaker 6: Even Barnaby Joyce admits that most Australians have mixed cultural
[29:27] Speaker 6: heritage as their genetic background. I think there is just
[29:32] Speaker 6: a level of truth that Pauline Hanson seems not to
[29:36] Speaker 6: want to acknowledge it. And Australia is better for that.
[29:39] Speaker 6: We're better for all the incredible food. We're better for
[29:41] Speaker 6: all the incredible.
[29:44] Speaker 1: Australian When I started the show, you would have been
[29:46] Speaker 1: agreeing with every word I said in writing down every note, right,
[29:49] Speaker 1: But you and I grew up roughly the same time,
[29:51] Speaker 1: right when the Prime Minister of Australia would know in
[29:54] Speaker 1: Hawkey would be there with an Australian flag on a jacket,
[29:58] Speaker 1: the Labor Party logo literally and the buttons they used
[30:01] Speaker 1: to wear was put Australia first, Australian flag right underneath it.
[30:06] Speaker 1: And my point being not that there wasn't different foods
[30:09] Speaker 1: and cultures and people in the eighties, nineties, two thousands,
[30:13] Speaker 1: tens and twenties. But the whole point is that that's
[30:17] Speaker 1: what I think Paul Enhanson is speaking to is the
[30:19] Speaker 1: concept that all sides of politics kind of agreed on
[30:22] Speaker 1: a few fundamental things, the national symbol and the concept
[30:25] Speaker 1: of priorities. That's what I think one Nation is talking about.
[30:28] Speaker 1: But I am in one nation. I'm not a member
[30:31] Speaker 1: of their party, so it is only what the leader says.
[30:33] Speaker 1: So Carlos, obviously I've set out what I believe it
[30:38] Speaker 1: to mean. But monoculture bad is the message that we're
[30:42] Speaker 1: all going to be whacked about with for the next
[30:44] Speaker 1: few weeks, months and years.
[30:48] Speaker 9: It's absolutely exhausting being an immigrant and I've got eight
[30:52] Speaker 9: aen months of Argentinan in my blood, but I am
[30:55] Speaker 9: Australian and what I'm seeing at the moment is the
[30:58] Speaker 9: culture that I see in Australia is the glue that
[31:00] Speaker 9: holds everything together, and it's getting pounded, it's getting stripped, apart.
[31:04] Speaker 9: The immigration of the early era when we were building
[31:07] Speaker 9: the nation actually worked. The immigration and I don't blame
[31:10] Speaker 9: the immigrants that are coming here is pulling the country apart,
[31:13] Speaker 9: and I think that is the labor way.
[31:15] Speaker 4: It's divide and conquered.
[31:16] Speaker 9: The more division, the more difference we have, the more
[31:18] Speaker 9: we're arguing against each other. And God forbid, if we
[31:21] Speaker 9: ever have to go to war, I don't know what
[31:23] Speaker 9: flags our soldiers are going to wear on their lapals
[31:26] Speaker 9: when they have to go and defend this ridiculousness.
[31:28] Speaker 4: It's enough.
[31:29] Speaker 9: But you know what, one nation isn't afraid of having
[31:32] Speaker 9: this discussion, and we've never had this discussion, and now
[31:35] Speaker 9: it's coming to the forefront, so that's good. Let's just
[31:38] Speaker 9: get on with it, make a decision and move forward.
[31:40] Speaker 1: Well, the little toddler would be pleased with Messi and
[31:44] Speaker 1: the performance today of course too, Neil. I think was
[31:46] Speaker 1: the victory for Argentina at the World Cup, but we
[31:49] Speaker 1: all agree the more important gamers the soccer rows coming
[31:51] Speaker 1: up on Friday and Saturday. Friday, I think it is
[31:53] Speaker 1: early morning Sunday. Maybe bad day, well, not bad day,
[31:56] Speaker 1: mixed day today for Pauline Hansen, was on breakfast television
[32:00] Speaker 1: this morning when being confronted with issues in and around
[32:03] Speaker 1: paid parental leave, essentially suggesting that many small businesses, well,
[32:08] Speaker 1: they collapse under many of the things that they are
[32:11] Speaker 1: forced to do, which might be easier when negotiated by
[32:13] Speaker 1: big business and big unions. Had to come out later
[32:15] Speaker 1: in the day to clarify her position to say no,
[32:18] Speaker 1: we fully and openly support paid parental leave. But again,
[32:22] Speaker 1: Carlos a sign of things to come here. Right, the
[32:24] Speaker 1: war on many fronts and when Labour wants to fight it,
[32:26] Speaker 1: they fight dirty.
[32:29] Speaker 4: Well, that's right, and the media support this.
[32:31] Speaker 9: They will pick apart every little thing we say and
[32:33] Speaker 9: how we say it, and interpret it whichever way they want.
[32:37] Speaker 4: Look, small businesses are struggling there.
[32:39] Speaker 9: The insolvency rate is at an all time high, and
[32:41] Speaker 9: we need to do what we can to help small
[32:43] Speaker 9: business and maternity leave is something that small businesses generally
[32:49] Speaker 9: can't afford.
[32:50] Speaker 4: I know the laws are there. We're not talking about taking.
[32:52] Speaker 9: The laws away, but we've got to look at all
[32:54] Speaker 9: aspects of this and we're going to just give give
[32:59] Speaker 9: one nation a bit of space to speak and instead
[33:01] Speaker 9: of pulling everything apart to its m degree and we're
[33:04] Speaker 9: two years out for an election, and to be perfectly
[33:06] Speaker 9: honest with you, our Prime Minister said that he wouldn't
[33:09] Speaker 9: touch any of things that he's changed now, so he
[33:12] Speaker 9: completely lied and nothing.
[33:14] Speaker 4: It just it's getting straight through to the keeper.
[33:17] Speaker 1: Yeah, this is an interesting point, Linda, where again I
[33:19] Speaker 1: saw Tenny Plubar second among others today seeing pounds let's
[33:22] Speaker 1: get in there right again. Clarified by the end of
[33:26] Speaker 1: the day. But still does the Labour Party think that
[33:29] Speaker 1: they've got a quote they can run in a ad
[33:32] Speaker 1: and push as hard as they can.
[33:34] Speaker 6: Well, look, I mean it sort of doesn't matter what
[33:36] Speaker 6: the Labor Party thinks. It matters what Australians think, and
[33:39] Speaker 6: I think they deserve to know the truth about what
[33:41] Speaker 6: I get that on a te Teneta Hanson thinks about
[33:45] Speaker 6: this and for many years consistently she's advocated against government
[33:49] Speaker 6: funded paid parental leave. The ABC checked twice with her
[33:53] Speaker 6: office before she delivered the speech when they got a
[33:57] Speaker 6: copy that detailed her opposition and it was confirmed by
[34:01] Speaker 6: her office. She's now had some backlash because people in
[34:05] Speaker 6: Australia have spoken pretty loudly over the course of the
[34:08] Speaker 6: day about how important government funded paid paran to leave
[34:11] Speaker 6: is in fact, of course, just in coming weeks. It's
[34:14] Speaker 6: about to expand to twenty six weeks. We know Australian
[34:17] Speaker 6: families need that.
[34:18] Speaker 1: So so isn't it possible for her worst case scenario
[34:21] Speaker 1: to have changed her position?
[34:23] Speaker 4: Well, change in the day.
[34:25] Speaker 6: She can change her position in the day, but she
[34:27] Speaker 6: should admit that she hasn't admitted it. She's lied and
[34:31] Speaker 6: said that she taken line and she's not taken out
[34:37] Speaker 6: of context. She's consistently opposed that. The ABC confirmed twice
[34:42] Speaker 6: they said she had opposed it.
[34:44] Speaker 1: And now worst case scenario, change your positions. If change
[34:47] Speaker 1: your position's okay for one change one nation.
[34:50] Speaker 6: Wants to lie at the start of the day and
[34:52] Speaker 6: correct themselves at the end of the day, that's fine,
[34:54] Speaker 6: but she should tell the truth.
[34:56] Speaker 1: It's far more created to lie before an election and
[34:58] Speaker 1: change it after the election.
[35:00] Speaker 4: It was really about changing not during the election.
[35:04] Speaker 6: So the Prime Minister was really transparent, as has been
[35:07] Speaker 6: the Treasurer about the fact that the economy has changed
[35:09] Speaker 6: and so labor has changed our position in response.
[35:12] Speaker 1: To Now, all right, so you've had plenty to say
[35:14] Speaker 1: about one nation. I've got to ask you here quickly, right,
[35:17] Speaker 1: the Prime Minister, you're a massive advocate of local government.
[35:20] Speaker 1: Were you really pumped twin? Yesterday? One of the ways
[35:23] Speaker 1: he was dismissing diary was to say, this is not
[35:25] Speaker 1: a local council chamber.
[35:27] Speaker 6: Look, I, as you know, Paul Murray represented those beautiful
[35:31] Speaker 6: five hundred and thirty seven councils and they're all in
[35:33] Speaker 6: Canberra this week, so I do want to.
[35:35] Speaker 1: He's going to address them the same week he's shitcanning
[35:38] Speaker 1: local councils. He's going to be standing in front of them, and.
[35:41] Speaker 6: As you can imagine, Paul, it's pretty hard to get
[35:44] Speaker 6: five hundred and thirty seven Mays to agree on anything.
[35:46] Speaker 6: So I want to say hello to them all. But
[35:49] Speaker 6: you know, they don't agree on everything and that's the
[35:51] Speaker 6: joy of being the head of that peak.
[35:53] Speaker 1: But I think one thing they didn't like what the
[35:56] Speaker 1: Prime Minister said the other day.
[35:58] Speaker 6: But I want to speak from personally experience here. I
[36:00] Speaker 6: sat on the National Cabinet during COVID under Prime Minister Morrison,
[36:04] Speaker 6: and I sat on the National Cabinet for a brief
[36:06] Speaker 6: period of time under the current Prime minister. They're both
[36:11] Speaker 6: people who worked hard in the national interest. But the
[36:14] Speaker 6: current prime minister is different and it's why I volunteer
[36:17] Speaker 6: on this show every week to come in here and
[36:18] Speaker 6: have his back.
[36:19] Speaker 1: So did he just change his position for that one question?
[36:21] Speaker 10: Got?
[36:22] Speaker 6: He has significantly increased federal assistance grants billions of dollars
[36:26] Speaker 6: that go to councils in a way that the Coalition
[36:28] Speaker 6: frowze those grants and councils money. He's re established the
[36:33] Speaker 6: Council of Local Governments so that he meets with mayors
[36:36] Speaker 6: every single year along with his cabinet, and that he
[36:39] Speaker 6: shives them on moneys well, but he sits and talks
[36:41] Speaker 6: to them. That was not something that the former prime
[36:44] Speaker 6: minister did. Scott Morrison would have established not to.
[36:49] Speaker 4: Meet with the mayors.
[36:50] Speaker 6: I'm just saying, in my personal experience, Albo is the
[36:53] Speaker 6: best prime minister local government has had because he has
[36:56] Speaker 6: funded them, he has spoken to them and engage with them,
[37:00] Speaker 6: and his government has worked collaboratively with the five hundred
[37:04] Speaker 6: and thirty seven likes. That is different from prime ministers
[37:07] Speaker 6: on the past, and I think we should call that out.
[37:09] Speaker 1: All right, Happy to call everything out. It's the joy
[37:11] Speaker 1: of the program. Thank you guys. We're going to go
[37:12] Speaker 1: a little bit longer that we normally do with Niger
[37:15] Speaker 1: Fras because the news is so big, So we'll cut
[37:17] Speaker 1: it off there and we will get straight to Niger
[37:19] Speaker 1: Farrage after this break. He's standing by in the UK
[37:21] Speaker 1: the man who we always said was going to be
[37:22] Speaker 1: the next prime minister, well okay, the one after the
[37:25] Speaker 1: current next prime minister, Niger Ferraj. The only place you'll
[37:28] Speaker 1: seehim and I Assi Telly here Sky News every Tuesday's
[37:34] Speaker 1: time for the man.
[37:35] Speaker 4: Who's never foreign.
[37:38] Speaker 1: Niger Fras is the leader of the Reform Party in
[37:41] Speaker 1: the UK. He stands on the prepace of precipice, as
[37:44] Speaker 1: I said, of becoming the next Prime minister of the UK.
[37:46] Speaker 1: The problem is there's going to be one between the
[37:47] Speaker 1: current one, then the guy in the middle, then the election.
[37:50] Speaker 1: He joins us now from London. Bettle bit of extra
[37:53] Speaker 1: time tonight, Nigel, because of the momentous times of which
[37:56] Speaker 1: we are. What's your response to Kirstama pulling the pin
[37:59] Speaker 1: and the whole of Andy Burnham being able to save
[38:02] Speaker 1: a party that currently is so deep in trouble they've
[38:05] Speaker 1: got rid of a prime minister tease after winning an election.
[38:11] Speaker 8: Yes, so May the seventh we had the equivalent of
[38:14] Speaker 8: our midterms, a massive set of elections across England, Wales
[38:19] Speaker 8: and Scotland, and in the north of England, in the Northeast,
[38:22] Speaker 8: the Northwest, Yorkshire, the West Midlands, parts of the old
[38:26] Speaker 8: coal mining valleys of South Wales. What happened on May
[38:29] Speaker 8: the seventh was Reform literally wiped labor out. We wiped
[38:34] Speaker 8: labor out in areas they've been winning since nineteen eighteen.
[38:39] Speaker 8: So I knew from that moment that Starmer could not
[38:43] Speaker 8: possibly survive. Andy Burnham, mayor of Greater Manchester. And remember
[38:48] Speaker 8: that mayors are civic rather than political, so actually they're
[38:53] Speaker 8: quite popular. So be swept in in a dramatic way
[38:57] Speaker 8: in the by election last week and is now being
[39:00] Speaker 8: by labor MPs as the messiah. He's the messiah. He's
[39:04] Speaker 8: going to win us the next election and save all
[39:07] Speaker 8: our jobs. Well, I have to say, I think it'll
[39:09] Speaker 8: be a lot more difficult than that. It's true that
[39:12] Speaker 8: Starmer proved to be an absolutely useless prime minister. He
[39:15] Speaker 8: wasn't up to the job in any way at all.
[39:18] Speaker 8: But I think Burnham inherits a political party, a labor
[39:21] Speaker 8: party in the House of Commons that is moving radically
[39:25] Speaker 8: to the left as our national borrowing goes.
[39:29] Speaker 1: Out of control. So I've been thinking about, you know,
[39:31] Speaker 1: in the many scenarios under which how does Andy Burnham
[39:35] Speaker 1: turn it around, how does he circuit break? What does
[39:37] Speaker 1: he do right? And obviously we've been watching so much
[39:39] Speaker 1: of the coverage, including of course GP News and everything
[39:44] Speaker 1: else that's sort of frankly right off into crazy land
[39:46] Speaker 1: on the left right, and many of them seem to
[39:49] Speaker 1: talk about this idea that, frankly, one of the ways
[39:52] Speaker 1: that the Labor Party could rehabilitate itself is frankly to
[39:55] Speaker 1: spend its way out right to sort of up the
[39:57] Speaker 1: welfare to make sure that the depend on the state increases.
[40:01] Speaker 1: If that's the case, then somehow yes, doesn't ruin the
[40:05] Speaker 1: country economically. But do the bankers turn up next week,
[40:08] Speaker 1: next month, next year? No, So do you have any
[40:13] Speaker 1: concern or insight into how Burnham will try to save
[40:16] Speaker 1: himself and the Labor Party.
[40:21] Speaker 8: So we are borrowing money at a faster rate, our
[40:24] Speaker 8: debts rising at a faster rate than any country in
[40:27] Speaker 8: the world apart from Botswana. Wow, all right, So if
[40:33] Speaker 8: Burnham thinks, yeah, if Burnham thinks I can just chuck
[40:36] Speaker 8: money at this, chuck money at that. Well, you know
[40:39] Speaker 8: what Burnham said about six months ago, we shouldn't worry
[40:42] Speaker 8: about the bomb markets. Well, I tell you what, Andy Burnham,
[40:46] Speaker 8: you may not worry about the bomb markets, but they'll
[40:48] Speaker 8: worry about you. And if he goes down that route,
[40:51] Speaker 8: if he goes down that route, there will be a
[40:54] Speaker 8: major financial crisis within six months. But frankly, the truth is,
[41:00] Speaker 8: I've no idea what his policies are. I've no idea
[41:03] Speaker 8: what he believes in. This is an historic flip flopper.
[41:07] Speaker 8: It's the old story that a Blairite, a Brownite and
[41:11] Speaker 8: a Corbynite go into the pub and order a drink
[41:15] Speaker 8: and the barman says, what will you be having?
[41:17] Speaker 1: Mister Burnham?
[41:20] Speaker 8: You know, you know, this guy is the epitome of
[41:29] Speaker 8: the career politician who blows with the wind. And I
[41:32] Speaker 8: do not believe having not stood on a twenty twenty
[41:36] Speaker 8: four Labor general election manifesto, being parachuted in using this
[41:41] Speaker 8: by election as a stepping stone, not making clear what
[41:45] Speaker 8: his policies are at all. If he becomes the next
[41:49] Speaker 8: Prime minister through a coronation in the Labor Party, he
[41:53] Speaker 8: has no mandate to govern whatsoever, and that's why I'm
[41:58] Speaker 8: demanding a general So do you.
[42:01] Speaker 1: Believe that, you know, let's let's again, let's play this
[42:04] Speaker 1: out here for a second. The Labour Party starts to
[42:06] Speaker 1: pat themselves on the back because oh, the Poles get
[42:08] Speaker 1: ever so slightly better in the next couple of months.
[42:11] Speaker 1: That then means they think that they've slayed the reform beast.
[42:14] Speaker 1: Is the reality though, that whenever the United Kingdom gets
[42:19] Speaker 1: a chance to break up with the establishment, be it
[42:22] Speaker 1: next week, next month, or next year or in a
[42:24] Speaker 1: few years time, that you still see the fundamentals being
[42:28] Speaker 1: that a significant number of people want to smash what
[42:32] Speaker 1: has been there, regardless of what bow they put on it.
[42:40] Speaker 8: Look ten years ago today, twenty third of June twenty sixteen,
[42:44] Speaker 8: this country defied. We defied the main political parties, we
[42:48] Speaker 8: defied the trade unions, we defied big business, we defied
[42:50] Speaker 8: the BBC and much of our media. And guess what
[42:53] Speaker 8: we did. We voted Brexit. It was something that I'd
[42:57] Speaker 8: worked for nede a quarter of a century. It was
[42:59] Speaker 8: an earthquake in British politics and we're still feeling the
[43:04] Speaker 8: after shocks of it. There's no question about that. This
[43:07] Speaker 8: will be our sixth prime minister in seven years. I mean,
[43:12] Speaker 8: think about that. We used to laugh at Italy. Well
[43:14] Speaker 8: I think the Italians are now probably laughing at us.
[43:18] Speaker 8: So look, there's a lot more to play out here.
[43:21] Speaker 8: I think the old two party system is under pressure
[43:25] Speaker 8: in a way that it's simply never ever been And
[43:29] Speaker 8: whether it can survive this, I don't know. And Reform,
[43:33] Speaker 8: you know why is reform doing well? It's doing well
[43:35] Speaker 8: because Brexit wasn't delivered by the Conservatives. They won a
[43:39] Speaker 8: massive majority. Boris won a huge majority in twenty nineteen
[43:42] Speaker 8: to say we're going to finish the job. We left
[43:45] Speaker 8: the EU. We had record levels of migration, even more regulation,
[43:49] Speaker 8: Net zero ram down our throats. So, as I say,
[43:53] Speaker 8: ten years ago today, everything in British politics changed and
[43:56] Speaker 8: you haven't seen the end of it.
[43:58] Speaker 1: John mcteinan, who I think was part of the government
[44:01] Speaker 1: under Tony Blair, came out here and worked for Julia Gillard.
[44:05] Speaker 1: Very good friends with our mutual friend and colleague Peter Kredlin.
[44:09] Speaker 1: He was on her show from London last night and
[44:13] Speaker 1: he believes that the future for the Labor Party is
[44:16] Speaker 1: net zero to further embrace it, to get more solar
[44:19] Speaker 1: panels onto people's rooms. This is the way if you
[44:21] Speaker 1: disconnect from the grid, then somehow you'll free yourself of
[44:23] Speaker 1: the variabilities of the grid. Now, one of the reasons
[44:27] Speaker 1: why Andy Burnham might be able to sail all the
[44:29] Speaker 1: way to number ten is that everyone else who kind
[44:31] Speaker 1: of thought they'd be a chance, including Ed millermand the
[44:34] Speaker 1: former leader of the Labor Party, hardcore lefty, hardcore climate crazy,
[44:39] Speaker 1: he could end up much closer to the heart of government,
[44:42] Speaker 1: maybe being the Chancellor of the Exchequer, the treasurer as
[44:45] Speaker 1: we would call it here. Essentially the number two may
[44:47] Speaker 1: even become the deputy prime minister. But again, how disastros
[44:51] Speaker 1: would that be for Burnham to try to supercharge down
[44:56] Speaker 1: net zero.
[45:01] Speaker 8: Whilst Burnham is very good at not saying to people
[45:03] Speaker 8: what he really thinks, we know that he wants to
[45:05] Speaker 8: rejoin the European Union, we know that he's committed to
[45:08] Speaker 8: net zero. We know he thinks that the well off
[45:12] Speaker 8: should pay more taxes. This is going to be the
[45:17] Speaker 8: most left wing prime minister for eighty years, the most
[45:21] Speaker 8: left wing prime ministers. It's the radical Atleague government of
[45:25] Speaker 8: nineteen forty five. He believes in state ownership on a
[45:28] Speaker 8: very very large scale. His own Parliamentary party are dragging
[45:32] Speaker 8: Tom be left anyway. Is he going to stop the boats?
[45:36] Speaker 8: Two thousand have come, two thousand people across the English
[45:38] Speaker 8: Channel of the last week alone. Will Burnham stop the boats?
[45:41] Speaker 8: Willie Hell? It'll be starmer but even worse.
[45:46] Speaker 1: Yeah, And this brings me to the last question, which
[45:48] Speaker 1: is that one of immigration. Right. Then again, regardless of
[45:51] Speaker 1: whether they don't put the knife into him on Saturday
[45:54] Speaker 1: Night Live UK, whether he becomes the rock star on
[45:56] Speaker 1: all the podcasts, again, the reality of the pressures on
[45:59] Speaker 1: the peace people remain, and the most obvious of them
[46:03] Speaker 1: are people who are not invited to turn up turning up.
[46:05] Speaker 1: Does he have the bottle to push him back?
[46:11] Speaker 8: I don't think he does for one moment. I really don't.
[46:15] Speaker 8: But you know what, when Boris Johnson was Mayor of London,
[46:18] Speaker 8: he was incredibly popular because it is, as I've said already,
[46:21] Speaker 8: a civic role, not a political one. Burnham comes in,
[46:25] Speaker 8: as I say, treated yesterday in the House of Commons
[46:27] Speaker 8: by labor MPs like the messiah. The reality is going
[46:30] Speaker 8: to be different. The honeymoon, I predict will be very
[46:34] Speaker 8: short lived.
[46:34] Speaker 1: Thank you, Nigel. Wonderful to see. Thank you, especially this
[46:37] Speaker 1: very busy time where literally we can hear how many
[46:39] Speaker 1: people want your attention that you're giving us some of it.
[46:41] Speaker 1: I do appreciate it. Thank you, mate, Nudge Frais, said
[46:43] Speaker 1: the leader of the Reform Party in the UK. Quick
[46:45] Speaker 1: breakback with more a little bit of news about an
[46:47] Speaker 1: Aussi music legend before we're done tonight. All right, that
[46:55] Speaker 1: is our chauven night. But before we go, Darryl Braithwaite.
[46:59] Speaker 1: He is one of the great as of Australia. Remember
[47:01] Speaker 1: him back from Sherbert with how Zat of course the
[47:04] Speaker 1: solo career horses and he even came on our program
[47:08] Speaker 1: when we did a show from Lawn System a few
[47:11] Speaker 1: years ago with our town thanks to the good people
[47:13] Speaker 1: of Harvey Norman Well. Sadly, he's made an announcement by
[47:16] Speaker 1: social media tonight that he's not going to be doing
[47:19] Speaker 1: live gigs anymore. He says, after much thought and consideration,
[47:22] Speaker 1: I've made the difficult and sad decision to step back
[47:24] Speaker 1: from performing live gigs. I sincerely want to thank all
[47:29] Speaker 1: of the dedicated and layal supporters and all of the
[47:31] Speaker 1: people and organizations that I've been associated with for such
[47:35] Speaker 1: a significant part of his life. He's such a special
[47:40] Speaker 1: bloke and such a talented man. It is sad that
[47:43] Speaker 1: again he is stepping back. I hope he's strong of
[47:47] Speaker 1: spirit and still strong of health. We certainly know after
[47:50] Speaker 1: what happened with John Farnham and his decision that he
[47:53] Speaker 1: again has said he won't be skiing publicly. We are
[47:56] Speaker 1: robbed of the great voices of the greatest country of
[47:59] Speaker 1: all of course, the recordings and all the rest of it.
[48:01] Speaker 1: But I've got to say the experience of Daryl Braithwait,
[48:05] Speaker 1: there's intergenerational celebrity, legend of Australia, a man whose song
[48:10] Speaker 1: features in every single wedding, regardless of whether it's the
[48:13] Speaker 1: super posh one or the brilliant Bogan ones, horses and
[48:17] Speaker 1: a whole lot more so lovely, so lovely, so unassuming,
[48:21] Speaker 1: not like you know these big American celebrities or many
[48:25] Speaker 1: of the young people have got a lot of tickets
[48:26] Speaker 1: on themselves, or frankly the politicians who've got tickets on
[48:29] Speaker 1: themselves as well, turn up with an entourage. No, he
[48:31] Speaker 1: was nice normal, prepare out the back, get ready, bang
[48:35] Speaker 1: up on the stage, up and out seeing fun. What
[48:38] Speaker 1: a lovely and classy bloke. Was an absolute thrill to
[48:40] Speaker 1: meet him, was a joy to have him on the show.
[48:42] Speaker 1: It's sad that he won't be performing live anymore, but
[48:44] Speaker 1: strength and love to the great Darryl Breathwait, that's our
[48:47] Speaker 1: chaffa night. Here is the Late Debate

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