# Paul Murray Live | 4 August

An episode of [Paul Murray Live](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/376966263), 4 Aug 2026, 50 min.

Audio: https://p.podderapp.com/2544644999/traffic.omny.fm/d/clips/2fb3740d-3436-44af-8cc0-a91900716aa5/be3abd48-25e5-45a6-aede-ac2a00524a12/e7d72af7-304d-4eae-8ef0-b49c00cf917f/audio.mp3?utm_source=Podcast&in_playlist=95971714-8fe6-4855-b1fe-ac2a00524a12

School kids to skip class for an anti-Hanson rally next week, property values fall by $230 billion in once-in-a-generation slump. Plus, 3.6 million Aussies pushed into food hardship. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:02] Speaker 1: This is Paul Murray Live. Thank you, Sharon and I Mate,
[0:08] Speaker 1: come on into the man cave. We've got a lot
[0:09] Speaker 1: to get to. Just sit at Averagin for price. Will
[0:12] Speaker 1: join us in the man cave. Tonight we're going to
[0:14] Speaker 1: go to the United Kingdom. Normally we talked to Nigel Farage.
[0:16] Speaker 1: He is of course out on the campaign trail. I'm
[0:18] Speaker 1: about to introduce you to a freaking rock star, an
[0:22] Speaker 1: absolute rock star of the Reform Party, somebody who wants
[0:25] Speaker 1: to turn London around. She is amazing. We'll get to
[0:28] Speaker 1: her in a moment of two time. But first, one
[0:31] Speaker 1: of the ways that the left get what they want
[0:34] Speaker 1: is by sort of carrying on like Toddler's I make
[0:36] Speaker 1: as much noise as possible until eventually someone gives in
[0:40] Speaker 1: the technical term for this is a counter protesting. So
[0:44] Speaker 1: a group of people fifteen hundred or ten thousand decide
[0:47] Speaker 1: that they are going to exercise their democratic right to
[0:50] Speaker 1: march down the middle of the street, and because they disagree, well,
[0:53] Speaker 1: we will have the counter protest. And it is because
[0:55] Speaker 1: of the counter protest that the police get involved. The
[1:00] Speaker 1: police were otherwise not going to get involved, but things
[1:02] Speaker 1: often get a little bit out of hand, we showed
[1:05] Speaker 1: you last night what was happening outside of an event
[1:08] Speaker 1: in Hawthorne in Melbourne where police had to be called.
[1:12] Speaker 1: Why because the counter protest was rolling through the streets.
[1:16] Speaker 1: Why because Pauline Hansen dared to show her head or
[1:20] Speaker 1: name her people for the Victorian election. Same of course,
[1:35] Speaker 1: the whole idea is that it's everyone's streets, regardless of
[1:39] Speaker 1: your political opinion. But no, no, no, there's a hierarchy
[1:42] Speaker 1: of people right now. Obviously people who commit crimes fair
[1:47] Speaker 1: they can go to one side, but essentially everyone else
[1:49] Speaker 1: has equal access to the public square. Our way of
[1:55] Speaker 1: doing things is of course the weak spot that these
[2:00] Speaker 1: people attack. So what would have otherwise been a meeting
[2:03] Speaker 1: of people who you agree or disagree with. But it
[2:06] Speaker 1: goes off without it, hitch, It doesn't cause anyone trouble.
[2:08] Speaker 1: Of course, it becomes trouble because somebody turns up to
[2:11] Speaker 1: carry on like they did. And as we had a
[2:14] Speaker 1: conversation last night with Warren Pickering, the brand new Victorian
[2:19] Speaker 1: Leader of One Nation, I kind of put it to
[2:21] Speaker 1: him that this stuff actually helps their cause rather than
[2:25] Speaker 1: hurts it.
[2:26] Speaker 2: The reality is we claim to live in a democratic state,
[2:30] Speaker 2: we're simply not anymore. You cannot express or share a
[2:33] Speaker 2: value set outside of those of the raging intolerant without
[2:36] Speaker 2: them turning up to try and shut down all dialogue.
[2:38] Speaker 2: It's not good enough, mate. But I think at this
[2:40] Speaker 2: event specifically, we've had them turn up and look all
[2:44] Speaker 2: they did here was serve as a effectively a door
[2:47] Speaker 2: val for when the Senator ourself turned up.
[2:49] Speaker 1: Now, let's be clear here, and this is a message
[2:52] Speaker 1: that lefties need to hear, but of course they will
[2:54] Speaker 1: not care because it is coming from me. Registered political
[2:57] Speaker 1: parties should be able to freely associate the importers of them,
[3:00] Speaker 1: should be able to freely come and go from any
[3:03] Speaker 1: public or private building in any city anywhere in the country.
[3:08] Speaker 1: And I'm talking about one nation, the Greens, Labor Liberal,
[3:12] Speaker 1: Victorian Socialists. As long as it is a legitimate political event,
[3:16] Speaker 1: then you have every right to come and go. Now. Yes,
[3:19] Speaker 1: in a world of free speech, technically people have the
[3:21] Speaker 1: right to stand on the opposite side of the street
[3:23] Speaker 1: and yell. But the idea that you're trying to intimidate
[3:26] Speaker 1: people from attending an event that they are absolutely free
[3:30] Speaker 1: and open to do should have been yet another line
[3:33] Speaker 1: in the sand of a decay in the democracy. But
[3:37] Speaker 1: did you hear a word today from either of the
[3:39] Speaker 1: major parties in Victoria? Did you hear admonishment from the police.
[3:43] Speaker 1: Was there questions about this, for example, if there was
[3:47] Speaker 1: a bunch of far right people who were trying to
[3:49] Speaker 1: shut down a meeting of the far left, of course
[3:52] Speaker 1: nothing to be seen. And the truth is that as
[3:57] Speaker 1: long as there has been Pauline Hanson, there has been
[3:59] Speaker 1: the account of protest movement. Now, of course it was
[4:03] Speaker 1: first there in the nineteen nineties because she was fresh
[4:05] Speaker 1: on the scene. It's been around in the past, but
[4:08] Speaker 1: it's only really revving up now because the numbers are
[4:10] Speaker 1: out of the double digits. In fact, now, according to
[4:13] Speaker 1: multiple opinion polls, the number one political party in the country.
[4:17] Speaker 1: But again, the ranting is not new.
[4:20] Speaker 3: They are not afraid to make their presence known. They're
[4:23] Speaker 3: echoing booze right now, which may mean Senator Hanson has
[4:27] Speaker 3: just arrived.
[4:28] Speaker 4: These protests organized by the WA Socialists and the WA.
[4:32] Speaker 5: Greens, defied in anger, chanting into megaphones and banging drums
[4:41] Speaker 5: outside a One Nation fundraiser.
[4:44] Speaker 1: But again, imagine if members of One Nation had decided
[4:47] Speaker 1: that they were going to stand and protest on the
[4:49] Speaker 1: other side of the meetings of the WA Greens or
[4:52] Speaker 1: the WA Socialists, Well, of course you can imagine that
[4:55] Speaker 1: would be far right activists. Never gets referred to as
[4:58] Speaker 1: the far left, But it is the far left that
[5:00] Speaker 1: are the ones that are trying to bring things to flashpoints.
[5:03] Speaker 1: See how evil everything is, See how there's violence, you
[5:05] Speaker 1: have it, Hang on, you turned up to start the fight.
[5:09] Speaker 1: No surprise here. But again, if you want to believe
[5:13] Speaker 1: that taking to the streets somehow is going to kill
[5:16] Speaker 1: this movement, kill the surge in support for One Nation
[5:20] Speaker 1: or the Liberal Party or the Labor Party or the Greens,
[5:24] Speaker 1: depending on which one you wish to protest against, you're wrong.
[5:28] Speaker 1: Remember when the opinion polls were hard sixty forty in
[5:31] Speaker 1: favor of the Yes campaign. Any meeting whatsoever of the
[5:36] Speaker 1: No campaign, Well, they were literally told they couldn't meet here,
[5:38] Speaker 1: they couldn't meet there, and if they did, they turned
[5:41] Speaker 1: up and they carried on like this. Remember, but most astrains. Again,
[5:53] Speaker 1: regardless of whether you are of the hard left the
[5:55] Speaker 1: hard right. But again there's that general movement that exists
[5:59] Speaker 1: somewhere in the middle of the country. They say that stuff,
[6:01] Speaker 1: and they go no, no, no, no, no. You don't get to
[6:03] Speaker 1: do the toddler thing to get what you want politically.
[6:06] Speaker 1: I understand you're passionate about it, but you're yelling and
[6:09] Speaker 1: this doesn't And of course sixty forty went exactly the
[6:11] Speaker 1: other way. Why am I talking about all of this
[6:14] Speaker 1: tonight because one of the oldest cliches in the book
[6:17] Speaker 1: is about to be played out all around the country.
[6:20] Speaker 1: Because now is the time for the students of Australia
[6:24] Speaker 1: to leave the lecture halls, to storm out of the
[6:27] Speaker 1: schools and to scream as loud as they can because
[6:32] Speaker 1: students are saying No to Hanson. A national day of
[6:35] Speaker 1: protest happening next week. Harold Sudden was able to speak
[6:41] Speaker 1: to one of the teenage activists that are involved in
[6:44] Speaker 1: all of this. We're appulled by her meteoric rise. Okay,
[6:48] Speaker 1: but it's hardly just happened in the past week. The
[6:51] Speaker 1: polls have been moving for well about a year now.
[6:55] Speaker 1: Hundreds of Victorian students will skip class next week to
[6:58] Speaker 1: protest the rise of pulling Hanson and one nation protests
[7:01] Speaker 1: dubs students Saying No to Hanson will take place at
[7:05] Speaker 1: Victoria's State Library at two pm, meaning the secondary students
[7:09] Speaker 1: will miss at least one hour of class. Now, can
[7:12] Speaker 1: I just say something very clear, I don't want any
[7:15] Speaker 1: counter protests to this stuff. That's their tactic. If they
[7:19] Speaker 1: want to take time off school, take time off UNI.
[7:22] Speaker 1: If they want to march, good luck to them, that's
[7:23] Speaker 1: their right. But don't sink to their tactics and confront them,
[7:28] Speaker 1: because then, of course the media will side with them
[7:32] Speaker 1: as opposed to seeing them for what they are. Let's
[7:38] Speaker 1: get back to this here. One of the Melbourne organizers,
[7:41] Speaker 1: a student at Mount Alexander College, said she was expecting
[7:46] Speaker 1: thousands of students to strike across the country. We're walking
[7:50] Speaker 1: out of high schools and universities across the country to
[7:52] Speaker 1: protest Hanson's far right, sexist, what racist, anti worker policies.
[8:00] Speaker 1: We're appalled by her meteoric rise, her normalization by the mainstream,
[8:06] Speaker 1: been elected in the Parliament since twenty sixteen, and we
[8:11] Speaker 1: feel a responsibility of students to protests like the students
[8:15] Speaker 1: did in ninet ninety eight. So yeah, there'll be parents
[8:18] Speaker 1: who took the streets of ninety ninety eight will be
[8:19] Speaker 1: saying to their kids get out there do it again.
[8:22] Speaker 3: Man.
[8:23] Speaker 1: She wants to and this is the ridiculous one. She
[8:26] Speaker 1: wants to deport thousands of our classmates. We refuse to
[8:30] Speaker 1: sit back and watch Australia turn into Trump's America. Okay,
[8:37] Speaker 1: what are you talking about. The position is that if
[8:40] Speaker 1: you are in the country illegally, I e. Maybe you've
[8:44] Speaker 1: filled out a forem and said I'll be here for
[8:45] Speaker 1: six weeks, but you stay for six months or six years,
[8:50] Speaker 1: there's every right for that person to be booted from
[8:52] Speaker 1: the country. The Trump's America thing is, of course, vastly different. Firstly,
[9:00] Speaker 1: we are an island. Nobody's been able to walk across
[9:02] Speaker 1: a border that one government decided to just open for
[9:05] Speaker 1: four years. We don't have a scenario where the minimum
[9:10] Speaker 1: wage is as low as it is in the United States. Yes,
[9:13] Speaker 1: there are people who do cash in hand, but there
[9:15] Speaker 1: is not the billions of dollars of cash in handwork
[9:18] Speaker 1: that exists in the United States. I don't know. But
[9:22] Speaker 1: just because you say far right, just because you see
[9:24] Speaker 1: orange on the poster means orange is Trump, means they're
[9:27] Speaker 1: the same thing. Repeat, repeat, repeat, repeat, repeat, and eventually
[9:33] Speaker 1: you win. No again, do you have a right to protest. Fine,
[9:37] Speaker 1: fair enough. These are the same people who of course
[9:40] Speaker 1: wanted to march for climate change action and then suddenly
[9:43] Speaker 1: stopped when the Conservative government lost power. Well hang on,
[9:48] Speaker 1: surely Australia is not doing enough now under the Labor Party. No, no, no,
[9:51] Speaker 1: You see, the protest is a weapon. It's not a
[9:54] Speaker 1: weapon to discuss how you truly feel. It's a weapon
[9:59] Speaker 1: to try to scandal the people who disagree with you. Now,
[10:04] Speaker 1: where may some of these opinions come from? And again,
[10:06] Speaker 1: everyone is able to be wherever you are on the
[10:09] Speaker 1: political spectrum. And yes, you may well change from being
[10:11] Speaker 1: the rabid lefty when you're young to a hardcore conservative
[10:14] Speaker 1: when you're old, or maybe, just maybe it might be
[10:17] Speaker 1: the other way around. Hey, people grow, people change. Well,
[10:20] Speaker 1: let's I showed you last week. There is overt politicization
[10:24] Speaker 1: that is happening inside our schools, an organization which is Socialist.
[10:28] Speaker 1: Teachers are the ones that are openly saying that they
[10:32] Speaker 1: are part of the socialist movement. They identify as teachers
[10:36] Speaker 1: from certain schools running in local elections coming up in Victoria.
[10:41] Speaker 1: And if you check it out online, these are some
[10:43] Speaker 1: of the people that are teaching in the schools in
[10:45] Speaker 1: Victoria that next week we'll have students, allegedly by the thousands,
[10:50] Speaker 1: taking a bit of time off school, a bit of
[10:52] Speaker 1: time off university because we've got to have a giant
[10:55] Speaker 1: scream at One Nation, because you know, democracy, man, don't
[10:58] Speaker 1: beat them at the ballot box, You've got to beat
[11:00] Speaker 1: them in the streets.
[11:02] Speaker 3: I'm outside Melbourne High School where One Nation candidate Ricky
[11:05] Speaker 3: Leta Roll has been invited to the platform of vile,
[11:08] Speaker 3: hateful politics. This is a shameful attack on the school's
[11:11] Speaker 3: diverse and multi culture community and an attempt to normalize
[11:15] Speaker 3: trumps program of mass importations and attacks and abortion And
[11:19] Speaker 3: how can we cannot quel our thumbs off. Fascism is
[11:22] Speaker 3: on the rise.
[11:24] Speaker 1: The deportation thing, right, the deportation thing, Trump's America. Yeah,
[11:30] Speaker 1: Ossie iss Cot, It's just rubbish, but it is on
[11:33] Speaker 1: its way. And I always like to tell you what's
[11:35] Speaker 1: going on. No counter protest, no pushback, Let them show
[11:38] Speaker 1: themselves to be the fools that they are. It will
[11:41] Speaker 1: only only help the very causes that supposedly they're marching
[11:44] Speaker 1: in the streets to snuff out. But again, November there
[11:47] Speaker 1: is an election democracy. The good people of Victoria could
[11:50] Speaker 1: elect a Victorian Socialist in every seat of the Upper
[11:53] Speaker 1: and Lower House if they want to, but they may
[11:55] Speaker 1: not because guess what, it's a democracy and people are
[11:57] Speaker 1: allowed to vote even the exact opposite way of the
[12:00] Speaker 1: way you may feel, students and revolutionaries of the future.
[12:06] Speaker 1: Now a couple of examples I want to show you
[12:07] Speaker 1: today have a bit of yeah, but that was around today. Now,
[12:12] Speaker 1: for the past couple of weeks we have been talking
[12:14] Speaker 1: about that horrible rubbish that went to wear on the
[12:18] Speaker 1: ABC about three weeks ago now in relation to vile, disgusting,
[12:23] Speaker 1: evil criminal assault that was being fantasized about when it
[12:28] Speaker 1: came to Jena Reinhart. And slowly but surely there has
[12:31] Speaker 1: been a drumbeat of ministers that have come out and
[12:34] Speaker 1: have recognized this for what it is, which is too
[12:36] Speaker 1: far not acceptable, not okay, I mean literally even today
[12:41] Speaker 1: the Minister for Women Katie Gallagher. Now, these people, of
[12:44] Speaker 1: course don't serve up the statement. You've got to go
[12:46] Speaker 1: and see them at a press common it's got to
[12:48] Speaker 1: go and of confront them publicly and respectfully to do so.
[12:53] Speaker 1: I welcome the ABC's decision to refer this to the ombudsman.
[12:56] Speaker 1: Is never appropriate to use threats of violence against as entertainment. Absolutely.
[13:02] Speaker 1: I disagree with Katie Gallaher certainly on the way she's
[13:04] Speaker 1: running the economy and many many, many other things. But
[13:07] Speaker 1: guess what broken clock a couple of times a day.
[13:09] Speaker 1: It could be right she would say the same of me,
[13:11] Speaker 1: no doubt. But that's statement. Who has a problem with that?
[13:14] Speaker 1: This is obvious, regardless of what you think of someone's politics.
[13:17] Speaker 1: Too far. It's not satire, it's not comedy. It's somebody
[13:21] Speaker 1: getting away with being able to use a giant megaphone
[13:25] Speaker 1: to talk about the most despicable ways of treating another
[13:27] Speaker 1: human being. But this is the yeah butt segment. Sarah
[13:32] Speaker 1: Hanson ya again is out and about and she was
[13:38] Speaker 1: asked about this today and there was soon yeah the
[13:42] Speaker 1: bad but and she doesn't even bring much detail to
[13:46] Speaker 1: the butt.
[13:48] Speaker 6: Look, I do think that that segment was off, It
[13:51] Speaker 6: was inappropriate, it was disgusting. Yes, they should apologize. I
[13:57] Speaker 6: might just put this out there as well that a
[14:01] Speaker 6: very similar statement by a podcast newbie around Women in
[14:12] Speaker 6: This Country was set as well in the last week,
[14:15] Speaker 6: and I'd like the same amount of outrage directed at that.
[14:18] Speaker 1: I'm not aware of it, and I keep my eye
[14:20] Speaker 1: across most things that make it to the news. This
[14:22] Speaker 1: one hasn't made it to the news. What is the
[14:23] Speaker 1: example you are talking about? You know, it's sort of
[14:26] Speaker 1: the little transition there which she wants to say butt,
[14:28] Speaker 1: but she knows butt is going to be picked up
[14:30] Speaker 1: on by people like me. Well, the silent transition from
[14:34] Speaker 1: the obvious, but then trying to say this something else,
[14:37] Speaker 1: the bart. See, you can't get from here to there
[14:39] Speaker 1: without the bart. The yeah, but of today again. Another
[14:43] Speaker 1: example of it is again when it relates to Paulin
[14:46] Speaker 1: Hansen and the decision of her to say no to
[14:51] Speaker 1: the Guardian who is obsessed with negative coverage of her,
[14:54] Speaker 1: the reporter who has been assigned to do that negative coverage.
[14:57] Speaker 1: Remember we showed you in the past, so it was
[14:59] Speaker 1: completely okay the Prime Minister to say one thing before
[15:02] Speaker 1: an election one thing after, because you know, the media
[15:04] Speaker 1: environment's toxic. And of course the ABC, remember the reason
[15:08] Speaker 1: they are banned is not just for negative coverage, but
[15:10] Speaker 1: because remember before the South Australian election, they literally put
[15:13] Speaker 1: the name of a staffer out there, something they would
[15:16] Speaker 1: not have done to somebody in the Prime Minister's office,
[15:19] Speaker 1: the Labor Party or the Greens. They have never apologized
[15:21] Speaker 1: for what they did. That's why they get the ban.
[15:27] Speaker 1: But of course there was that moment where she has
[15:29] Speaker 1: said to the same as two organizations and a bugger off.
[15:31] Speaker 1: You're not here today.
[15:33] Speaker 7: I hope there's no ABC and here a Guardian.
[15:37] Speaker 1: I hope everyone's banned them.
[15:40] Speaker 8: My good, thank you.
[15:41] Speaker 7: ABC were denied entry into here and the Guardian. I
[15:45] Speaker 7: am not putting up with their spin gotcha moments, wanting
[15:50] Speaker 7: to have a go at me or I will treat
[15:52] Speaker 7: us totally different to what you do the other major
[15:54] Speaker 7: political parties.
[15:55] Speaker 8: Enough is enough.
[15:57] Speaker 1: But this segment is about yeah, but well we turn
[16:01] Speaker 1: to people who are openly critical of this decision to
[16:04] Speaker 1: not engage with all members of the media, because all
[16:06] Speaker 1: parts of Australia must be engaged with right.
[16:11] Speaker 9: I don't know what her plan is, but you know
[16:14] Speaker 9: she says often she has nothing to hide. As a politician,
[16:17] Speaker 9: you have to turn up and answer questions, and so
[16:21] Speaker 9: by saying you've got nothing to hide, I don't know
[16:23] Speaker 9: why she would want to bar ABC, the Age, the Guardian.
[16:27] Speaker 9: I'm not sure who was left at her press conference.
[16:29] Speaker 9: But quite frankly, you need to be accountable, you need
[16:33] Speaker 9: to turn up.
[16:34] Speaker 6: This is a person who is running, scared of scrutiny,
[16:38] Speaker 6: a politician who thinks that she should have the right
[16:42] Speaker 6: to say whatever she wants, but no one else should
[16:44] Speaker 6: have the right to ask questions.
[16:46] Speaker 1: Don't you like that?
[16:47] Speaker 8: Oh?
[16:47] Speaker 1: I mean if the Guardian's not there on the ABC,
[16:50] Speaker 1: who else is there? The majority of the press? Well, okay,
[16:55] Speaker 1: open invitation, Sarah Hanson Young. We've got two more shows
[16:58] Speaker 1: this week. You can do it from Adelaide or you
[17:01] Speaker 1: can come here to the Mancave. You are invited tomorrow
[17:03] Speaker 1: night on the program Iman at Rishworth. There's plenty to
[17:07] Speaker 1: discuss when it comes the way your government's are running
[17:09] Speaker 1: the country. Thursday night. Again, you can do it from Adelaide,
[17:13] Speaker 1: you can do it here in the man Cave. Consider
[17:15] Speaker 1: yourself invited. Let's see how the commitment to everyone being
[17:21] Speaker 1: able to ask a question extends to those that they
[17:24] Speaker 1: may not like. Yeah, But and then the third example,
[17:29] Speaker 1: and of course Harry did this in the incredible detail
[17:31] Speaker 1: and correctly so. This evening the Opera House protest two
[17:36] Speaker 1: days after what happened on October seventh before anything significant
[17:40] Speaker 1: had happened when it came to Israel's response. You can
[17:43] Speaker 1: think whatever you want about this situation, but to me,
[17:46] Speaker 1: there was no doubt whatsoever that that event on that
[17:49] Speaker 1: day was about intimidating Jews. Why because the protest happened
[17:57] Speaker 1: because there was about to be a flag that was
[18:00] Speaker 1: illuminated on the Opera House in respect of the people
[18:04] Speaker 1: who had died in the terrorist attack. There also was
[18:09] Speaker 1: no right for them to be able, and I say
[18:11] Speaker 1: legally because in New South Wales there is a system
[18:14] Speaker 1: where you have to apply for it, that they were
[18:16] Speaker 1: allowed to be anywhere near the Opera House. No, it
[18:19] Speaker 1: was their decision to go from the town hall down
[18:21] Speaker 1: George Street, to turn right, to go through Circular Key,
[18:24] Speaker 1: to turn left to go past the toaster and then
[18:26] Speaker 1: turn right and make their way to the Opera House.
[18:29] Speaker 1: It was a thirty minute march. The police could have
[18:31] Speaker 1: stopped it at any time, like they did the COVID stuff,
[18:34] Speaker 1: but either there wasn't enough or there wasn't enough willpower
[18:37] Speaker 1: to do so. So we had, of course that outrage
[18:41] Speaker 1: that we all saw. Now again, do I think that
[18:44] Speaker 1: the people that were there on that night are the
[18:46] Speaker 1: same that were there for the many weekends that followed. No, however,
[18:52] Speaker 1: can you believe that today the year but was that
[18:55] Speaker 1: it had a Royal commission into antisemitism when people were
[19:00] Speaker 1: trying to find the year, but about the people who
[19:03] Speaker 1: decided to turn up to essentially celebrate the actions of
[19:06] Speaker 1: Hamas here's the year butt that came back and forth
[19:12] Speaker 1: in the fight between a leading member of the Jewish
[19:17] Speaker 1: community in New South Wales and a lawyer speaking on
[19:19] Speaker 1: the behalf of Palestinian groups, again not speaking in favor
[19:25] Speaker 1: apparently of what happened on that night, but trying to
[19:27] Speaker 1: explain there's a greater context to everything.
[19:31] Speaker 10: You are aware, aren't you?
[19:35] Speaker 11: That Israel Defense Force Farighter jets began conducting air strikes
[19:41] Speaker 11: in the Gaza Strip at around five point thirty pm
[19:45] Speaker 11: Sydney time on the seventh of October.
[19:50] Speaker 12: I just have to make the point of this is
[19:52] Speaker 12: a Royal commission on anti Semitism. I'm a bit confused
[19:55] Speaker 12: as to why we're getting caught up in the manusha
[19:59] Speaker 12: of the timeline of a foreign military operation.
[20:01] Speaker 10: Do you mean to imply, by any of your evidence
[20:05] Speaker 10: that the purpose of the rally that was organized by
[20:10] Speaker 10: the Palestine Action Group on the seventh of October twenty
[20:14] Speaker 10: twenty three was somehow celebratory of the October seven Hamas attack.
[20:22] Speaker 12: What I would say is a lot of the social
[20:23] Speaker 12: media activity pertaining to that protest was quite celebratory of
[20:27] Speaker 12: what took place.
[20:28] Speaker 11: I want to suggest to you that you have seen
[20:30] Speaker 11: nothing that has emanated from the organizers of the rally,
[20:36] Speaker 11: namely the Palestine Action Group, which would suggest in any
[20:41] Speaker 11: way that the rally was being convened to celebrate those
[20:46] Speaker 11: despicable attacks.
[20:48] Speaker 1: The rally was a town hall, the march through the
[20:52] Speaker 1: streets that eventually made its way to the Opera House. Well,
[20:56] Speaker 1: that's when things got out of control. And yes, statements
[20:58] Speaker 1: were released days after about how they abhord some of
[21:01] Speaker 1: the worst aspects of all of that. But what was
[21:03] Speaker 1: done by the organizers in the moment to stop people
[21:06] Speaker 1: leaving the area where they were told they weren't allowed
[21:08] Speaker 1: to go. Yeah, but all of it around today now,
[21:12] Speaker 1: I said, I want to introduce you to a rock star.
[21:14] Speaker 1: Laila Cunningham is the Reform Party nominee to be the
[21:19] Speaker 1: next Lord Mayor of London. She's also massive on social media.
[21:23] Speaker 1: She's got to own podcast shows all the rest of it. Right.
[21:26] Speaker 1: If you love Nigel Ferras, you are going to really
[21:28] Speaker 1: love this lady. She is awesome, she's a firebrand, and
[21:31] Speaker 1: he's just a taste of the lady you will meet
[21:33] Speaker 1: a little bit later in the show.
[21:35] Speaker 8: I grew up in Kilburn. I didn't come off the
[21:38] Speaker 8: conveyor belt of the right schools and the right universities.
[21:41] Speaker 8: I worked, and I'm the daughter of immigrants who chose
[21:44] Speaker 8: Britain not for what it could give them for free,
[21:47] Speaker 8: but what it allowed them to build themselves. People watch
[21:50] Speaker 8: their towns change around them without ever being asked. They
[21:53] Speaker 8: watched their wages held down, housing this grow, their services stretched,
[21:58] Speaker 8: and felt in their own country that they have been
[22:00] Speaker 8: moved to the back of the keep deprioritized by the
[22:04] Speaker 8: very government that was elected to serve. And when they
[22:07] Speaker 8: dare to complain, they were called bigots, racists. Their concerns
[22:12] Speaker 8: were labeled divisive, and their instinct to protect their way
[22:15] Speaker 8: of life was labeled as hate. And there it is
[22:19] Speaker 8: everything I have described in a single issue. A state
[22:22] Speaker 8: that ignores your vote, takes your moneys for priorities you
[22:25] Speaker 8: never choose, and polices your speech. When he dares a campaign,
[22:29] Speaker 8: whatever that is. It is not a government that serves
[22:31] Speaker 8: its people. I'm here in Cacton canvassing for Nigel and
[22:34] Speaker 8: it is phenomenal support. People are running across the road,
[22:37] Speaker 8: coming out of pubs, waving from their windows. Everyone in Clacton,
[22:41] Speaker 8: it seems, is voting for Nigel.
[22:44] Speaker 1: She's a ripper, she is well entrallly somebody making headlines
[22:47] Speaker 1: in the United Kingdom, somebody who we absolutely love. He
[22:50] Speaker 1: equally strong, fearless, independent, the wonderful two Cindi empergyper prices
[22:55] Speaker 1: in their man caved these twenty four.
[22:56] Speaker 5: Loving to see you, mate, It's great to be here.
[22:59] Speaker 1: It's been a while, been way too way too long.
[23:01] Speaker 1: Lots of busy stuff happening here, there and everywhere. Now
[23:04] Speaker 1: let's talk about the housing stuff, right. I was doing
[23:07] Speaker 1: a bit of research today. About two million homes have
[23:11] Speaker 1: been bought and sold in the past five years. Right,
[23:14] Speaker 1: So those are the people who got in when interest
[23:16] Speaker 1: rates were down there now they're fifteen up. Right, There's
[23:19] Speaker 1: an awful lot of people who will get divorced, lose
[23:23] Speaker 1: their job, A whole bunch of reasons why you have
[23:25] Speaker 1: to sell up, Not within ten years, not within twenty years,
[23:28] Speaker 1: but within the next couple of years. Those are the
[23:31] Speaker 1: people who are going to get absolutely smashed by the
[23:35] Speaker 1: shrinking market right now. Yet labor thinks, just like you know,
[23:38] Speaker 1: the globalization stuff of the nineties, oh look, this is
[23:41] Speaker 1: a few people along the way, you sort of get
[23:43] Speaker 1: screwed over. But there's two million people sitting right now,
[23:47] Speaker 1: right on that line who may well at any time
[23:50] Speaker 1: have to sell.
[23:51] Speaker 4: Their hats absolutely and the circumstances that labor have created
[23:56] Speaker 4: for them, I mean, it means that they're running a
[23:59] Speaker 4: huge which risk at the moment. You know, we've got,
[24:03] Speaker 4: as we've found, thirty four thousand Australians now who've taken
[24:07] Speaker 4: up this first Home Buyers scheme that the government have
[24:11] Speaker 4: convinced them to participate in with a deposit of you know,
[24:15] Speaker 4: as low as five percent, and now they're at risk
[24:20] Speaker 4: of going into negative equity. And this government just thinks
[24:25] Speaker 4: that the situation will be such that people just you know,
[24:29] Speaker 4: they'll sit and they'll live in their homes and you know,
[24:32] Speaker 4: no one wants to go and you know, create a
[24:34] Speaker 4: property portfolio and negative gear or anything like that anymore.
[24:37] Speaker 4: But no, it's about just people buying homes, living in
[24:41] Speaker 4: those homes and paying them off over a long period
[24:44] Speaker 4: of time and nothing could possibly go wrong, particularly when
[24:48] Speaker 4: there's a cost of living crisis going on and this
[24:51] Speaker 4: government is just spending like a drunken sailor.
[24:56] Speaker 1: But also there's this Governments make choices, and this is
[25:00] Speaker 1: absolutely ideological about the choices that they are making right now. Yes, okay,
[25:05] Speaker 1: out on the extreme purbility. While the future of the
[25:07] Speaker 1: left is they don't want you to own anything. Okay,
[25:09] Speaker 1: I don't think we're there yet, right. I think we are
[25:11] Speaker 1: about the triangle of dependency where either you work for
[25:13] Speaker 1: the government there's the welfare or if you're in business,
[25:15] Speaker 1: the biggest client is the government as a way not
[25:18] Speaker 1: to rock the boat. We're seeing that playing out in
[25:20] Speaker 1: Victoria for thirty years, in Queensland for the best part
[25:23] Speaker 1: of thirty years. But the thing that I don't understand
[25:27] Speaker 1: here is that, Okay, if they wanted to rearrange the
[25:30] Speaker 1: housing thing, where we're going to bring prices as low
[25:33] Speaker 1: as possible, well, what are they doing to bring age
[25:35] Speaker 1: care down? Because the way that people pay for their
[25:38] Speaker 1: age care is the house that they bought for this
[25:41] Speaker 1: ends up being worth that which pays for this, which
[25:44] Speaker 1: means there's something left over for the kid to get
[25:47] Speaker 1: the deposit to go again and again. And this is
[25:49] Speaker 1: what I find outraging about what they're doing, is that
[25:54] Speaker 1: it's not part of some holistic approach. It's just about trying,
[25:59] Speaker 1: really through taxation to fiddle with the budget and to
[26:02] Speaker 1: do something societally for people who might think about voting
[26:06] Speaker 1: for the greend Well.
[26:07] Speaker 4: That's precisely right. I mean everything that they do, they
[26:09] Speaker 4: don't look at the big picture in terms of the
[26:12] Speaker 4: policies that they put forward and across the board, in
[26:15] Speaker 4: terms of hurtling towards and zero at a rate of knots,
[26:20] Speaker 4: increasing the cost of everything in our country from their spending,
[26:24] Speaker 4: the homegrown inflation that we're experiencing, the cost of power,
[26:28] Speaker 4: increases the cost of everything, the costs to do business.
[26:33] Speaker 4: These are all the things that Australians are confronted with
[26:36] Speaker 4: at the moment right across the board. And you know,
[26:38] Speaker 4: I've been here speaking with those at the Cosbowl conference
[26:41] Speaker 4: today and small businesses that are doing it really bloody tough,
[26:45] Speaker 4: and you know, the assets that they hold are there
[26:48] Speaker 4: for their future. Their properties they hold is there for
[26:51] Speaker 4: their future, so they can either en should their children
[26:54] Speaker 4: are okay, or they can take care of their elderly
[26:57] Speaker 4: parents in those circumstances and have to pay for aged
[27:01] Speaker 4: care through utilizing those assets, through selling those assets. And
[27:05] Speaker 4: now they're just making it fundamentally harder for everybody to get.
[27:09] Speaker 1: Ahead right now.
[27:11] Speaker 4: And it just blows my mind the way this government
[27:14] Speaker 4: is conducting their business.
[27:15] Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I saw that the filling Prime Minister
[27:17] Speaker 1: was around part of this stuff today as well, right,
[27:20] Speaker 1: I mean, the balls on these people to even try
[27:23] Speaker 1: to interact with the small business community that okay, let's
[27:26] Speaker 1: imagine put all the industrial stuff to one side, the
[27:29] Speaker 1: cost of power to insert whatever business you do up
[27:34] Speaker 1: up right, let alone all of the other things that
[27:37] Speaker 1: they have done. It is extraordinary that they turn around
[27:41] Speaker 1: and think that they have any story to sell to
[27:43] Speaker 1: these people.
[27:44] Speaker 4: Well, the interesting thing was that the small business Minister,
[27:47] Speaker 4: she's been out of sight, out of mind. She wasn't
[27:49] Speaker 4: in attendance today. I don't know where she is. I
[27:52] Speaker 4: haven't heard boo from her, you know, unless she wants
[27:55] Speaker 4: to attack me on the migrant issue.
[27:57] Speaker 1: That's that's what she has to go. Chief dogs.
[28:01] Speaker 4: Look aspiration, I mean small business is aspiration in action
[28:06] Speaker 4: in this country. You know, there are those on the
[28:09] Speaker 4: left who think profit is a dirty word. But profit
[28:13] Speaker 4: is what allows a business to employ another person, give
[28:17] Speaker 4: an apprentice that first opportunity, you know, invest in their business,
[28:22] Speaker 4: to grow their business, to employ more people in the
[28:24] Speaker 4: private sector. I mean, heaven forbid should we you know,
[28:28] Speaker 4: not allow the private sector to grow, because you know,
[28:30] Speaker 4: these are people that put pull their heart and soul,
[28:33] Speaker 4: their entire lives into their small businesses. And you know,
[28:36] Speaker 4: pull up in speaking to them right and I look
[28:38] Speaker 4: them dead in the eye, and they their hearts are
[28:41] Speaker 4: breaking right now. And this government just sees them as
[28:45] Speaker 4: another opportunity. If they hear profit, they're like, right, where're
[28:48] Speaker 4: coming after? What you're making?
[28:50] Speaker 13: That's for us.
[28:51] Speaker 4: Give it over so we can keep building our bureaucracies
[28:53] Speaker 4: and sending this country broke.
[28:55] Speaker 1: Ultimately, they keep coming up with rubbish like a turnover.
[28:59] Speaker 1: We can do a cackles based off turnover with your
[29:01] Speaker 1: small business. Okay, all right. A dollar that passes over,
[29:04] Speaker 1: not much of us has left, and often it just
[29:06] Speaker 1: goes straight back out. You are as always a rock star,
[29:08] Speaker 1: So good to see you in the man Cave. Can
[29:10] Speaker 1: we make more time the next time?
[29:11] Speaker 4: Yeah, look, I promise you know I'll get here more often.
[29:15] Speaker 1: You know we'll come to alos.
[29:18] Speaker 13: That sounds like good.
[29:19] Speaker 1: Yeah, appreciated Senator, Senator just Into namper Jumper Price. She
[29:22] Speaker 1: is a rock star, such a great person to be
[29:25] Speaker 1: having in aur Australian political discussion. She is fearless and
[29:28] Speaker 1: we love her with all. We've got quick break back
[29:31] Speaker 1: with more in a moment. We'll get to that fire
[29:33] Speaker 1: cracker out of London. But there's plenty of two debate
[29:36] Speaker 1: between now and then, including the students that we're going
[29:39] Speaker 1: to take on. Pauline Man. We're going to just break
[29:42] Speaker 1: her mine. You're going to help her. Thank you so
[29:52] Speaker 1: much for watching. Joining us right now, Carlos Quaremba. He
[29:54] Speaker 1: is joining us now from Darwin, so he's gone all
[29:56] Speaker 1: the way up the highway from Adelaide. He's a normal
[29:59] Speaker 1: patch remember of the South Australian Parliament. Linda Scott labor
[30:02] Speaker 1: of a bootstrap. She joins us now in the man cave. Geez,
[30:05] Speaker 1: what a swing from just Enterprice. That Linda Scott in
[30:07] Speaker 1: the man Cave. I love it, I love it.
[30:09] Speaker 14: We had a friendly hello on the way through all.
[30:13] Speaker 1: Right, So these kids that are going to come out
[30:15] Speaker 1: and they're going to protest against Paul and Hansen. But
[30:18] Speaker 1: one of the quotes, and again it's you know, you
[30:20] Speaker 1: want to be careful about how hard I go here
[30:22] Speaker 1: on a specific individual, particularly one that is going to
[30:24] Speaker 1: be high school. But one of the things she's saying
[30:27] Speaker 1: is because you know, one nation wants to deport thousands
[30:30] Speaker 1: of our fellow students from the class. Not true, it
[30:32] Speaker 1: doesn't exist, right, It's not an America style thing. But Carlos,
[30:37] Speaker 1: let's get to the protesting against the world of one nation.
[30:40] Speaker 13: It only helps, mate, It's awesome. Look, let it go.
[30:45] Speaker 15: Look protesting democratic, right, fill your boots. But I remember
[30:50] Speaker 15: I don't know about you, Paul, but when I wagged school,
[30:52] Speaker 15: we used to go down to the local arkay, we went
[30:54] Speaker 15: really protesting.
[30:56] Speaker 13: I think the issue is here.
[30:57] Speaker 15: These kids have an experienced life, probably don't pay any
[31:00] Speaker 15: don't know what's going on in the country. Mum and
[31:02] Speaker 15: dad are covering everything. So you know, it's okay to
[31:04] Speaker 15: be the idealistic when you have no costs. But you know,
[31:07] Speaker 15: fill your boots.
[31:07] Speaker 13: It's only raising our vote anyway.
[31:09] Speaker 1: Well, and this is the thing Linda right now, like,
[31:11] Speaker 1: do all people have the right to a political opinion? Yes? Right,
[31:13] Speaker 1: I'm not going to be sort of Captain Scolder here
[31:16] Speaker 1: saying that you know, I wasn't sort of politically aware,
[31:18] Speaker 1: active passionate as a young person. Fine, fair enough, right.
[31:22] Speaker 1: I would like to think that it was based off
[31:23] Speaker 1: a little more reality than some of the quotes that
[31:25] Speaker 1: I've just shown here. But would your warning to the
[31:28] Speaker 1: left b be careful about when you do this stuff,
[31:32] Speaker 1: because it does, and we saw it with the voice,
[31:34] Speaker 1: It does have the opportunity to actually supercharge the thing
[31:38] Speaker 1: that supposedly you're trying to stop.
[31:40] Speaker 14: Maybe, but look, I mean I think I protested against
[31:43] Speaker 14: One Nation too, and that was probably, you know, thirty
[31:45] Speaker 14: years ago when Senator Hanson I hasn't selected, so she
[31:48] Speaker 14: has been there for decades. She's been around for a
[31:51] Speaker 14: long time. She's been saying the kind of anti worker
[31:54] Speaker 14: stuff and the kind of same device you stuff that
[31:56] Speaker 14: she's been saying for three decades. Are not young. But
[32:01] Speaker 14: the students have a right to protest. They have a
[32:04] Speaker 14: right to get out there and have their say. And
[32:06] Speaker 14: Australians deserve to know what nation one nation does stand for.
[32:10] Speaker 14: They deserve to hear how.
[32:12] Speaker 13: Some facts coming from a teenager. Come on, please, But.
[32:16] Speaker 1: When they say that the plan is to deport thousands
[32:19] Speaker 1: of but that's.
[32:20] Speaker 14: Not true, Carlos, I have two teenagers. I listen and
[32:24] Speaker 14: respect to them every day. I'm sure you do too.
[32:27] Speaker 14: I think it's really important to listen to young Australians
[32:29] Speaker 14: about what their beliefs are. And they have a right
[32:33] Speaker 14: to get out of speak, you know.
[32:35] Speaker 15: Let you know what, Linda, my daughter is a seven
[32:36] Speaker 15: and year old. She's an apprentice, She works for a dollar.
[32:39] Speaker 15: She understands what's good for this country. Don't worry about it,
[32:41] Speaker 15: I mean, and have really good conversations about where this
[32:44] Speaker 15: country's going. And that's why she supports what I do.
[32:47] Speaker 1: And hey, look, I know Linda's boys the beautiful as well. Right, Okay,
[32:50] Speaker 1: we all love the kids. We all love the kids.
[32:52] Speaker 1: All right, let's let's get here too. Housing and again
[32:55] Speaker 1: it's an extincsion the conversation that we just had, we justenter.
[32:58] Speaker 1: But Linda, again, I understand that at the end of
[33:02] Speaker 1: the rainbow, theoretically there is the capacity for somebody who
[33:06] Speaker 1: can't afford a house today to maybe be able to
[33:08] Speaker 1: find a way to afford house tomorrow. I understand all
[33:11] Speaker 1: of that. The problem is just like with the change
[33:14] Speaker 1: through the renewablienergy system, I just want an acknowledgment. And
[33:19] Speaker 1: I'm not asking you too, but I'm saying in this debate,
[33:21] Speaker 1: I want an acknowledgment about the cost of transition, right,
[33:24] Speaker 1: and the cost of transition from the system that has
[33:26] Speaker 1: existed to the one that may well be in place
[33:29] Speaker 1: in a couple of years time. Is that there are
[33:32] Speaker 1: two minion people who bought and sold the house in
[33:35] Speaker 1: the past five years, right, Those are the people who
[33:39] Speaker 1: bottom of the floor interest rates to now fifteen of
[33:42] Speaker 1: them up. Yes, the bed is that if you can
[33:44] Speaker 1: stick around for five years, ten years, twenty years, it'll
[33:47] Speaker 1: all work out. But if your relationship breaks down, if
[33:50] Speaker 1: you lose your job, there's a whole bunch of reasons
[33:52] Speaker 1: why you have to sell a whole lot earlier than
[33:55] Speaker 1: you may well plan. Does the governmanent need to do
[33:57] Speaker 1: a better job of recognize rather than pretending there's no
[34:01] Speaker 1: problems in whatsoever, that yeah, there is a risk right now,
[34:05] Speaker 1: and that that risk is real to all those real
[34:08] Speaker 1: people that we care about.
[34:09] Speaker 14: I think the risk the government is focusing on is
[34:12] Speaker 14: that there's hundreds of thousands more people sleeping rap on
[34:16] Speaker 14: our streets. We need more affordable housing. Indeed, even the
[34:19] Speaker 14: Opposition Shadow minister, Senator brag set in June, set in July,
[34:25] Speaker 14: you know, set in November last year that we need
[34:29] Speaker 14: falling house prices, especially for Australians who are wanting to
[34:33] Speaker 14: into the market for the first time. So I think
[34:36] Speaker 14: everybody is on a unity ticket that we need more
[34:39] Speaker 14: housing and that we need more affordable housing. There's been
[34:42] Speaker 14: some attacks in recent days and I heard Senator Price
[34:46] Speaker 14: attacking this too, about particularly the five percent scheme that
[34:50] Speaker 14: allows young Australians to access housing with just a five
[34:54] Speaker 14: percent deposit. Indeed, the defaults on those loans are performing
[34:59] Speaker 14: actually far in a far more healthy way than compared
[35:03] Speaker 14: to people who are not accessing that scheme. So you know,
[35:07] Speaker 14: we're hearing a lot of negatives about this scheme, a
[35:10] Speaker 14: lot of kind of dramatization about people and the circumstances
[35:14] Speaker 14: they're in. But what we need to think about is
[35:16] Speaker 14: how Australians are going to have housing, how they're going
[35:19] Speaker 14: to have affordable rental housing, how they're going to have
[35:21] Speaker 14: affordable housing, and there will always be different case studies
[35:25] Speaker 14: and different people who need to make different life choices.
[35:28] Speaker 14: But what's so important is that for too long governments
[35:33] Speaker 14: ignored people who couldn't afford to get into the housing
[35:36] Speaker 14: market at all, and that proportion of Australians has grown
[35:39] Speaker 14: and grown and grown. It has been terrible. I called
[35:42] Speaker 14: it out for years on the City of Sydney. Many
[35:46] Speaker 14: counselors around the country are calling this out and they're
[35:49] Speaker 14: all different political stripes. Right, this should not be a
[35:52] Speaker 14: political issue.
[35:53] Speaker 1: And my argument is is that the social housing is
[35:57] Speaker 1: a massive problem, the waiting list of tens of thousands
[35:59] Speaker 1: every Right, it's just about saying here and this is
[36:02] Speaker 1: the reality of politics, right is, whatever government makes a decision,
[36:06] Speaker 1: the politics often becomes, okay, who are the people affected
[36:08] Speaker 1: by the transition?
[36:09] Speaker 8: Right?
[36:09] Speaker 1: When government draws a line, who is the person who's
[36:12] Speaker 1: won under or one over? Right? And labor For as
[36:15] Speaker 1: long as I have been watching and saying politics has
[36:17] Speaker 1: been absolutely spectacular being able to weaponize those that are
[36:20] Speaker 1: just on the wrong side of the line. Well again,
[36:23] Speaker 1: I'm just using that same standard car loss here, which
[36:25] Speaker 1: is again hopefully anyone who bought a house last year
[36:28] Speaker 1: will be worth a whole lot more when eventually it's
[36:30] Speaker 1: time to sell. But there is a reality of life
[36:33] Speaker 1: that not everyone is able to take the twenty year
[36:36] Speaker 1: bet and the bet pays off. Yet if you say
[36:39] Speaker 1: any of this stuff, oh, you're just part of some
[36:40] Speaker 1: sort of mustache twirling person who's got seventeen investment properties,
[36:45] Speaker 1: who's trying to just drive over poor people. The argument
[36:48] Speaker 1: is about the poor people.
[36:50] Speaker 15: Yeah, And you know, Paul, there's a couple of things.
[36:52] Speaker 15: And we keep harping on about immigration. It is a
[36:55] Speaker 15: demand is shoe, you know, for the most part, but
[36:58] Speaker 15: it's also the cost of housing and government, you know,
[37:00] Speaker 15: make up forty five percent of a new build. I mean,
[37:03] Speaker 15: I can't think of anything the government don't have their
[37:05] Speaker 15: hands on when it comes to taxes in new builds.
[37:08] Speaker 15: And if you want to make cheap affordable housing, get
[37:10] Speaker 15: the government out of the way, because every time they
[37:12] Speaker 15: get involved, all it does is drives up the price
[37:15] Speaker 15: or makes the market, you know, out of control, and
[37:19] Speaker 15: people suffer either side of that little line. And I
[37:21] Speaker 15: think it's it's time that we just take a step
[37:24] Speaker 15: back and say, guys, what.
[37:25] Speaker 13: Are the things we can do to make housing affordable?
[37:27] Speaker 15: We spoke about one nation spoke about removing the GST
[37:30] Speaker 15: on housing, you know, local governments. That's another big issue
[37:34] Speaker 15: that needs to be addressed because on one hand they're
[37:36] Speaker 15: saying we want affordable housing, but then you know, I've
[37:38] Speaker 15: been to a round tables and they talk about that
[37:40] Speaker 15: this affordable housing has to have solar panels and all
[37:44] Speaker 15: this energy efficiency rating. When you're poor, you don't care
[37:47] Speaker 15: about the solar panels on the roof.
[37:49] Speaker 13: You just want to be.
[37:49] Speaker 14: There because that energy builds down. And let me say that.
[37:56] Speaker 15: About we just get rid of it zero and we
[37:57] Speaker 15: go back to cheap, reliable power like we used to
[37:59] Speaker 15: do when we can get away. And you know what,
[38:01] Speaker 15: if I want to turn my conditioning on, I should
[38:03] Speaker 15: be able to without worrying about whether I can pay
[38:05] Speaker 15: my bill.
[38:06] Speaker 13: That's net zero for you in a nutshell.
[38:08] Speaker 1: All right, now, I've got well, I got about a
[38:10] Speaker 1: minute here, and I just wanted to recognize that a
[38:13] Speaker 1: major cultural phenomenon has happened in the past weekend, and
[38:16] Speaker 1: normally a show that's all about politics and news and stuff,
[38:19] Speaker 1: you wouldn't talk about it. Well, I am going to
[38:20] Speaker 1: talk about just for a second, this weekend just gone
[38:24] Speaker 1: is the biggest weekend at the box office for the
[38:27] Speaker 1: movies ever in Australia. Think about all think about Star Wars,
[38:31] Speaker 1: all of those movies, right, all of those movies of
[38:33] Speaker 1: your childhood, right, and you know, think about how gone
[38:35] Speaker 1: with the Wind adjusted for inflation. No know, two movies
[38:38] Speaker 1: have brought out more people than ever before in Australia.
[38:41] Speaker 1: The Odyssey, which by the way is playing in some
[38:43] Speaker 1: IMAX thing is at six am and they're sold out, right,
[38:47] Speaker 1: or The Spider Man one and I went to a
[38:50] Speaker 1: ten forty five session on Friday night. My simple question
[38:53] Speaker 1: is are you going to the movies again, Carlos or
[38:57] Speaker 1: is it the kids? Are you the type of person
[38:58] Speaker 1: who goes and sees it a couple of times? Because
[39:00] Speaker 1: it felt like a lot of people went this weekend.
[39:04] Speaker 13: Yeah, look, but I can't remember that well.
[39:06] Speaker 15: Actually, the last time went was to watch Top Top
[39:08] Speaker 15: Gun two, and I think Topgun three is coming out now,
[39:11] Speaker 15: so I'm looking forward to that.
[39:12] Speaker 13: But look, it is a good night out.
[39:14] Speaker 15: But I'll tell you what, it's not cheap. Last time
[39:16] Speaker 15: I went, I spent a few dollars and I took
[39:18] Speaker 15: my daughter. But yeah, it's just one of those things.
[39:21] Speaker 15: I think people just want to escape what's going on
[39:23] Speaker 15: in their life at the moment. You know, the Mews
[39:26] Speaker 15: is one of them, so I guess good luck to them.
[39:28] Speaker 14: I'm very excited, Paul, because one of the main characters
[39:31] Speaker 14: in Spider Man is a great young woman who goes
[39:34] Speaker 14: to school at Newtown and School performing Arts. And indeed
[39:37] Speaker 14: one of the other main characters at Mowana also a
[39:40] Speaker 14: great young woman who goes to that incredible public high
[39:43] Speaker 14: school in the inner city of Sydney. So congratulations Australia.
[39:46] Speaker 14: Great to see people starring in films. We've got Australian filmmakers,
[39:49] Speaker 14: you know, making the films. It's amazing.
[39:51] Speaker 1: So give me. I've got to go because we've got
[39:52] Speaker 1: a mate in London. There was a big news in
[39:55] Speaker 1: the Scott family by the way, which is a brand
[39:56] Speaker 1: new dog. We'll talk about that next week. Was very cute.
[39:59] Speaker 1: We've got time, we'll do it this week. All right,
[40:00] Speaker 1: stand by for a rock star. You're going to love
[40:02] Speaker 1: this lady. She is hopefully fingers crossed the next Lord
[40:05] Speaker 1: Mayor of London. She's doing her bit for reform, she said,
[40:09] Speaker 1: because Nigel can't be moren to see thank you so
[40:17] Speaker 1: much for watching Noel Malie Tuesday. Right, this is when
[40:19] Speaker 1: we have a chat to Nigel Farag. She is of
[40:21] Speaker 1: course in the fight of his political life right now
[40:25] Speaker 1: in terms of a by election and the seat of
[40:26] Speaker 1: Clacton to get himself back into Westminster. So I wanted
[40:31] Speaker 1: to cast the net a little further. An absolute rock
[40:34] Speaker 1: star for Reform is Leilah Cunningham. She's the person who
[40:37] Speaker 1: the party has put up as the candidate to be
[40:39] Speaker 1: the next mayor of London. She's massive on socials, She's
[40:43] Speaker 1: amazing whenever she looks into a camera and I'm pleased
[40:46] Speaker 1: to say we get a moment of her time right now. Laylah,
[40:49] Speaker 1: lovely meet you.
[40:50] Speaker 8: Hi, Paul, great to meet you. Thanks for the amazing intro.
[40:52] Speaker 1: Well that's it made. If we're not going to pump up,
[40:54] Speaker 1: what's the point all right? So I'm going to get
[40:57] Speaker 1: to the London of things in a moment. But let's
[40:59] Speaker 1: talk about the fight that Nigel is in right now.
[41:02] Speaker 1: Obviously you've been out and about the you know, all
[41:04] Speaker 1: the major parties vacated the field, so there's this nonsense
[41:07] Speaker 1: with the beIN. But give us an idea that the
[41:10] Speaker 1: locals are ready to send Nigel back to Wistminster.
[41:15] Speaker 8: I was there for two days last week. Honestly put it.
[41:19] Speaker 8: I've campaigned with Boris, I've campaigned with various you know,
[41:22] Speaker 8: because I was a Conservative before I defected to reform.
[41:24] Speaker 8: It is it is. I've never seen that kind of
[41:27] Speaker 8: level of love and support for politicians. It's like, it's like,
[41:32] Speaker 8: it's like I was walking around with Beckham, you know,
[41:34] Speaker 8: he supersedes any kind of political uh love, it was like,
[41:40] Speaker 8: and it was remarkable. People were running out of pubs,
[41:43] Speaker 8: crossing the street, risking their lives, you know, any house,
[41:46] Speaker 8: were like, do you want to put a board up
[41:48] Speaker 8: on your house? They're like, of course I do. And
[41:51] Speaker 8: it was two messages that he brought them hope and
[41:56] Speaker 8: he's the only one that can bring about the change
[41:58] Speaker 8: that's necessary, and that that combination of hope and change
[42:01] Speaker 8: because he's never deterred from wanting to bring change, the
[42:04] Speaker 8: change that the British people actually want, not what you know,
[42:07] Speaker 8: the establishment wants. And it was remarkable. It was actually
[42:10] Speaker 8: one of my funnest campaigning times ever because it's so great.
[42:15] Speaker 8: No one, no one, you know, no one was upset
[42:18] Speaker 8: from us.
[42:18] Speaker 1: It was just pure love.
[42:19] Speaker 8: It was. It was great and Nigel loves it. By
[42:21] Speaker 8: the way, Nigel adores people. You know, if he could
[42:25] Speaker 8: campaign three hundred and sixty five days a year, he would.
[42:28] Speaker 1: Yeah. I get that sense too. There are other type
[42:29] Speaker 1: of politicians who that you know, the meeting the people
[42:32] Speaker 1: is the necessary evil. No no, for people like him,
[42:35] Speaker 1: and again watching from a farm, assuming for yourself it is.
[42:38] Speaker 1: It's the whole reason right to be reminded of why
[42:41] Speaker 1: you're in the fight again, that sense of reform. I
[42:44] Speaker 1: mean in Australia you would know that we've got our
[42:47] Speaker 1: scenario right now where one nation is our sort of
[42:51] Speaker 1: insurgent political force. It of course is in a very
[42:55] Speaker 1: strong position or get certain dominance, but it's not quite
[42:58] Speaker 1: on the precipice of potential opposition or government. But give
[43:02] Speaker 1: me an idea because to me, part of the passion
[43:05] Speaker 1: in and around Nigel is this sense that fork in
[43:08] Speaker 1: the road, this is the last stop before the train
[43:11] Speaker 1: can never come home. Do you get that sense about
[43:15] Speaker 1: why reform has taken off and it's why people like
[43:19] Speaker 1: yourself put your hand up to say, well, I'm not
[43:21] Speaker 1: just going to sprook for them, I'm going to run
[43:23] Speaker 1: for them.
[43:24] Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean, I think it is. It is the
[43:27] Speaker 8: lack of democratic accountability. People vote, keep voting for one thing,
[43:32] Speaker 8: and the political parties that get in power promise that,
[43:36] Speaker 8: and once they're in power, they literally do the reverse.
[43:39] Speaker 8: People consistently voted for lower migration tours, promised it in
[43:44] Speaker 8: the tens of thousands. It started with, you know, they
[43:48] Speaker 8: reverse that side of one hundred thousand. In the end
[43:50] Speaker 8: we got three point eight million people who came in
[43:53] Speaker 8: under Boris, which is a huge amount. Only one in something,
[43:56] Speaker 8: you know, I think. I think only twenty percent of
[43:58] Speaker 8: those work. The rest are to pay who rely on
[44:00] Speaker 8: the British taxpayer to pay for them. Nobody voted for that.
[44:04] Speaker 8: And with that, by the way, comes demographic change. Because
[44:07] Speaker 8: we're a small island. So when you have and when
[44:10] Speaker 8: you have immigration in such large numbers, people don't assimilate.
[44:14] Speaker 8: They kind of tend to dominate, especially when they're in
[44:17] Speaker 8: large numbers, in dense numbers, and it becomes you know,
[44:20] Speaker 8: it's a density issue in certain parts of the country
[44:24] Speaker 8: and you see it and people living there are like,
[44:27] Speaker 8: hang on, I didn't vote for this, you know, And
[44:29] Speaker 8: British people are not intrinsically. You know, we like everyone
[44:34] Speaker 8: to come here, but it has to be controlled, and
[44:38] Speaker 8: it has to be on our terms, and it hasn't
[44:39] Speaker 8: been on our terms. Well, and then the worst part
[44:43] Speaker 8: is is that if people speak up against it, they
[44:45] Speaker 8: look down and then they call the divisive and they
[44:47] Speaker 8: say stopspewing hate or you know whatever.
[44:50] Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we're again. It's right. You didn't start this.
[44:53] Speaker 1: You just woke up saying, hang on, what changes last week?
[44:56] Speaker 1: What changes last year? What changes last decade? Oh, you're
[44:59] Speaker 1: part of the problem. No, no, no, you're gas lighting
[45:02] Speaker 1: when it comes to this.
[45:03] Speaker 8: Oh the gas I think of the chants.
[45:05] Speaker 1: Yeah. And the perfect example about how this can work
[45:07] Speaker 1: and work in the worst possible waste what just happened
[45:10] Speaker 1: in Spain. Sixty thousand people in a day, just jumping
[45:13] Speaker 1: a fence. Now again, let's imagine that. You know, due
[45:15] Speaker 1: to the courts and the lovies and the rest, they
[45:17] Speaker 1: get to stay. You don't think you can change your
[45:19] Speaker 1: suburb overnight with that many people, lit alone, that many
[45:22] Speaker 1: people in a year. That's why this matters, right, Yeah, I.
[45:27] Speaker 8: Mean you saw sixty thousand there arrive in one go.
[45:30] Speaker 8: We've had two hundred thousand arrive over a certain number
[45:33] Speaker 8: of years on our shores, not in one go. But
[45:35] Speaker 8: although that type of massive, that type of crepe invasion
[45:40] Speaker 8: happens here all the time. Since Burnham came to power,
[45:42] Speaker 8: I think we've had two thousand arrive. And by the way,
[45:46] Speaker 8: we don't know if they're terrorists rapists back home. We
[45:48] Speaker 8: know nothing because they throw their documents in the sea.
[45:52] Speaker 8: And you would think that any government that cares about
[45:54] Speaker 8: the safety of its people would take that unknown into
[45:56] Speaker 8: consideration and be like, hang on, we don't know who
[45:58] Speaker 8: these guys are. Let's deta and not allow them to
[46:01] Speaker 8: roam free, just in case they turn out to be
[46:03] Speaker 8: a Muslim brotherhood, which some have been, just in case
[46:06] Speaker 8: they turn out to be part of the IRGC, which
[46:09] Speaker 8: Iran said has sent people on those No, they let
[46:12] Speaker 8: them roam free, put them in the middle of the
[46:14] Speaker 8: quaintus British towns and villages in their hundreds paid for
[46:20] Speaker 8: part the tax fayers, sometimes in full star hotels, and
[46:22] Speaker 8: allow them to roam free.
[46:24] Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean again, I love it. You know, an
[46:26] Speaker 1: all of us, with their interaction with government around the
[46:28] Speaker 1: Western world, we know how many forms they are able
[46:30] Speaker 1: to fill out if you want to put up a
[46:32] Speaker 1: car port, right, you would presume there'd be more when
[46:35] Speaker 1: you want to enter a country, but of course exactly
[46:38] Speaker 1: the opposite, which is madness. All right, last one here.
[46:41] Speaker 1: I know it's a big question, but it's one that
[46:43] Speaker 1: I want to slowly introduce you and hopefully we get
[46:46] Speaker 1: many more chances to talk. If you're ever in the mood,
[46:49] Speaker 1: why do you want to change about London? What do
[46:52] Speaker 1: you want to win back for London if you became.
[46:54] Speaker 8: It's me so I'm born and bred here and I
[46:58] Speaker 8: want to make London safe. You know we've had since
[47:00] Speaker 8: the Decon's come to power, knife crime has gone up
[47:02] Speaker 8: by seventy percent. I interviewed a lady yesterday whose son,
[47:05] Speaker 8: lovely boy, was just stabbed to death coming out of
[47:07] Speaker 8: a nightclub. And this happens every weekend, by the way,
[47:10] Speaker 8: every weekend someone is stabbed to death in our city.
[47:12] Speaker 8: Never anything from side Khan or the Prime Minister or
[47:15] Speaker 8: the Home sectary, no outrage. Zero. These are the lost
[47:18] Speaker 8: souls of Britain, the lost souls of London. So knife
[47:21] Speaker 8: crime's gone up natterly because you know, they've managed to
[47:23] Speaker 8: even politicize stop and search, so it's been halved. Visible
[47:27] Speaker 8: policing has effectively been cut. For a city of nine million,
[47:30] Speaker 8: we only have two twenty four hour counters. There's no
[47:32] Speaker 8: police station. So for me, restoring law and orders the
[47:35] Speaker 8: fundamental wor everything. If you don't feel safe, you can't
[47:37] Speaker 8: be happy. There's no freedom in not feeling safe. And
[47:41] Speaker 8: the second thing is affordability. You know, so many young
[47:43] Speaker 8: people cannot afford a home because of excessive regulation on homebuilders.
[47:47] Speaker 8: People have stopped building it literally, and he likes to
[47:51] Speaker 8: boast about how much environmental regulation he's put on homebuilders.
[47:54] Speaker 8: The direct result of that is that homes aren't going up.
[47:57] Speaker 8: And when someone who's born and bred in London reaches
[47:59] Speaker 8: the stage with want to raise a family, they leave
[48:01] Speaker 8: the city. But if you're a refugee, by the way,
[48:03] Speaker 8: the government will find you a house in the center
[48:05] Speaker 8: of town for you and any dependence you want to
[48:08] Speaker 8: bring over. That's the unfair thing. And another my third,
[48:11] Speaker 8: this is my dream is I want it to be
[48:13] Speaker 8: Tokyo on steroids. I want it to be the most modern,
[48:16] Speaker 8: efficient city. I want to treat London like I'm designing
[48:20] Speaker 8: the latest Apple product. How do you interact with your city.
[48:23] Speaker 8: How can I make how can I solve those pain
[48:25] Speaker 8: points that are so annoying? How many clicks does it
[48:28] Speaker 8: take you to pay your congestion charge? I want to
[48:30] Speaker 8: have those clicks, you know, and half them even more.
[48:33] Speaker 8: I just want to make your interaction.
[48:34] Speaker 1: Easier, spectacular follow on social media. She's an absolute rock star, Leila.
[48:39] Speaker 1: What a privilege to talk to you.
[48:40] Speaker 8: Thank you very much, Thanks Paul, So.
[48:43] Speaker 1: You're rockstar all right. More to come in a moment
[48:45] Speaker 1: before we get to the late debate, of course, social
[48:47] Speaker 1: media and the way our federal MPs peddle your money
[48:50] Speaker 1: against the wall using it. I want to say we
[48:57] Speaker 1: like to end the show each end, every night and
[48:59] Speaker 1: exactly the same, which is, you work hard, you pay tax.
[49:02] Speaker 1: That tax goes to politicians. Politicians also pay their staff
[49:06] Speaker 1: to make bad social media videos like this where they
[49:09] Speaker 1: talk down to you and I like kids. This bloke
[49:12] Speaker 1: is Gordon Robinson from the Labor Party. That's even done
[49:22] Speaker 1: for them, and these things are dumb. They're always dumb.
[49:27] Speaker 1: Pat Conroy, this guy's a minister met Pie.
[49:31] Speaker 5: Definitely definitely a Lamington as long as there's no cream
[49:35] Speaker 5: in it.
[49:37] Speaker 6: I definitely blowy gotta be bloy even though they're Queenslanders.
[49:44] Speaker 1: And her old mate Charlotte Walker, the Labor senator who
[49:47] Speaker 1: just loves the talk.
[49:50] Speaker 4: Come in your hat, come their hat, delay to the
[49:52] Speaker 4: heat of the we're building war homes, we're investigating infrastructure,
[49:56] Speaker 4: and we're changing the tax system to make a fairer
[49:58] Speaker 4: for young people.
[50:01] Speaker 1: No, you're not other people are. You just get told
[50:05] Speaker 1: which way you're going to vote and then find this
[50:08] Speaker 1: is a way of how to sell that message to people. Seriously,
[50:12] Speaker 1: all day, every day. Lake Debate is up next. We
[50:14] Speaker 1: will see you tomorrow up without special guest, this always
[50:17] Speaker 1: is Megan Coley,

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