# Paul Murray Live | 10 February

An episode of [Paul Murray Live](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/376966263), 10 Feb 2026, 51 min.

Audio: https://p.podderapp.com/2544644999/traffic.omny.fm/d/clips/2fb3740d-3436-44af-8cc0-a91900716aa5/be3abd48-25e5-45a6-aede-ac2a00524a12/173a26e5-270a-4dd9-8d48-b3ed00c67194/audio.mp3?utm_source=Podcast&in_playlist=95971714-8fe6-4855-b1fe-ac2a00524a12

Chris Minns defends the actions of NSW Police, Melissa McIntosh leaves door open to future resignation amid ongoing leadership speculation. Plus, Labor and Reserve Bank of Australia blamed by voters as anger over interest rates grows. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:00] Speaker 1: Problems Gooling Center.
[0:02] Speaker 2: This is Paul Murray Live.
[0:06] Speaker 1: Hello, my friend, Welcome to the man Cave. We've got
[0:08] Speaker 1: a lot to get through tonight, lots and lots of work.
[0:11] Speaker 1: Sadly we're going to have to mention a ghost from
[0:13] Speaker 1: political past. But perhaps some people who talk about politics
[0:17] Speaker 1: need to be reminded about the political failure that this
[0:19] Speaker 1: bloke was.
[0:21] Speaker 2: We'll do that and a whole lot more.
[0:23] Speaker 1: I think Roadblocks the Kids game should be part of
[0:27] Speaker 1: the under sixteen social media ban. It isn't, and we
[0:30] Speaker 1: are starting to see part of the problems. Why Anika
[0:33] Speaker 1: Well's never wanted to do it.
[0:34] Speaker 2: I don't know.
[0:35] Speaker 1: Somehow keeping the future youth vote, she should have done it.
[0:39] Speaker 1: If YouTube's in, Roadblocks should be in. And our great
[0:42] Speaker 1: mate Nigel Faraj will join us from the United Kingdom
[0:44] Speaker 1: as we get ready for Keir Starmer the dying days
[0:48] Speaker 1: of the Labor Prime Ministership. Presumably, of course it's all
[0:52] Speaker 1: deck chairs on the Titanic because Nigel's coming and he'll
[0:56] Speaker 1: be in number ten in a couple of years time,
[0:58] Speaker 1: if the polls are right, If you'd like to join
[0:59] Speaker 1: us for our town, the first one of the year,
[1:01] Speaker 1: We're going to be going to Burnie in Tasmania almost
[1:04] Speaker 1: full from only a few spots left. Not this but
[1:07] Speaker 1: next Sunday, the twenty second February. Email outtown at skynews
[1:10] Speaker 1: dot com dot au. What's your first name, your last name?
[1:12] Speaker 1: How many people you want to come with you? Animobile
[1:14] Speaker 1: number so we can call you back. In the past
[1:18] Speaker 1: couple of hours, as you have seen, there have been
[1:21] Speaker 1: a protest after the protest in relation to the Israeli
[1:26] Speaker 1: president being in Australia. This protest was about the over
[1:31] Speaker 1: the top tactics of police in the protest that took
[1:35] Speaker 1: place twenty four hours ago. Now this was some of
[1:38] Speaker 1: what was being said. Thankfully, no clashes as we understand,
[1:41] Speaker 1: no arrests, but still plenty of temperature still left in
[1:46] Speaker 1: these protests. While the president moves on to Melbourne.
[1:56] Speaker 2: Good Hell can't count of this as well.
[2:03] Speaker 1: And honestly, we're taking the pigs to the cleaners as well.
[2:07] Speaker 3: We're going to send a lesson to every one of
[2:08] Speaker 3: the many violent coppers out there that we will come
[2:11] Speaker 3: for them.
[2:13] Speaker 2: Sorry, what else we will come for them?
[2:15] Speaker 4: Mean?
[2:17] Speaker 1: What does go to hell mean? Apart from bugger off
[2:25] Speaker 1: I saw Chris means in the past couple of hours.
[2:28] Speaker 1: He's fine because he knows the majority of people view
[2:32] Speaker 1: these protests. And I don't mean all the protests of
[2:35] Speaker 1: the past two years, just in case somebody wants to
[2:37] Speaker 1: say that, no, the one that took place yesterday as
[2:40] Speaker 1: too much, absolutely too much. Here is the reality. Okay,
[2:48] Speaker 1: these people were told they couldn't protest anywhere in the CBD.
[2:53] Speaker 1: Now I disagree with that law, but that's what they
[2:55] Speaker 1: were told. They then challenged that at a court which
[2:57] Speaker 1: previously had given them the right to much across the city,
[3:00] Speaker 1: a bridge that turned around, said no, you can't do it,
[3:02] Speaker 1: because the law is clear. They do it anyway. The
[3:05] Speaker 1: police hold the line, and when they again want to
[3:10] Speaker 1: break through the lines to march wherever they want because
[3:13] Speaker 1: the law doesn't apply to us, because the cause is
[3:15] Speaker 1: more important than the local laws. Well you see what
[3:19] Speaker 1: took place. Now, I fully am pro cop on this show.
[3:23] Speaker 1: You know that I am pro police. And the show
[3:27] Speaker 1: of strength that was there last night again because let's
[3:32] Speaker 1: imagine it was a cause that you didn't like, and
[3:38] Speaker 1: you tried to have the protest, you were told you
[3:40] Speaker 1: weren't allowed to have the protest. You challenged and appealed,
[3:43] Speaker 1: but you were told no, you still can't have it.
[3:45] Speaker 1: What would you expect the police to do to those
[3:48] Speaker 1: on the left that are trying to lionize each and
[3:51] Speaker 1: every one of these protesters. What would you have done
[3:54] Speaker 1: if it was a bunch of people that were there,
[3:56] Speaker 1: I say, a couple of years ago fighting back against lockdown.
[4:00] Speaker 1: What about if it was a collection of people who
[4:03] Speaker 1: wanted to protest against the Chinese president or the American president.
[4:08] Speaker 1: Should they ever come to town and this law can
[4:11] Speaker 1: be pulled in place to say, hey, it's just too
[4:14] Speaker 1: dangerous for them to do it. If they want to
[4:16] Speaker 1: do it, they can do it a couple of Kays
[4:17] Speaker 1: that way, a couple of Kays that way, but they
[4:18] Speaker 1: can't do it within spitting distance of not just where
[4:22] Speaker 1: the president is, but more importantly, in terms of last night,
[4:25] Speaker 1: seven thousand people who were at an event that was
[4:30] Speaker 1: where President Herzog was. The truth is is that even
[4:35] Speaker 1: after they were pushed away from town Hall, the ability
[4:39] Speaker 1: for them to make their way down to Darling Harbor
[4:41] Speaker 1: down the hill without boring you with the geography of
[4:43] Speaker 1: Sydney wouldn't have been that hard. Hence why they were
[4:47] Speaker 1: held where they were held. Hence why people inside the
[4:50] Speaker 1: building where the president was were told to hold tight
[4:53] Speaker 1: for thirty minutes. Keep them away, you go home, You
[4:56] Speaker 1: go home. Now. I am not going to pretend that
[5:02] Speaker 1: the footage that has been circulated widely on the internet
[5:05] Speaker 1: is not concerning. I am not going to pretend that
[5:10] Speaker 1: when you play at full speed the image of one
[5:15] Speaker 1: police officer seemingly laying into a person who had already
[5:20] Speaker 1: been held down on the ground, let alone the second
[5:23] Speaker 1: police officer laying in to their side and back. Now,
[5:31] Speaker 1: whether this is too much or not is something you
[5:34] Speaker 1: can have an opinion about in real time. But more importantly,
[5:37] Speaker 1: there will be authorities that will work that out. But
[5:40] Speaker 1: it is important to note part of the picture here,
[5:45] Speaker 1: certainly around the first of those officers, is the allegation
[5:50] Speaker 1: that the protester was biting that police officer. So the
[5:55] Speaker 1: officer to the right is presumably trying to do something
[5:59] Speaker 1: to free the hand. Now his hand must be noted,
[6:03] Speaker 1: of course, is in glove, so a form of protection
[6:05] Speaker 1: is there, but still a deeply unpleasant experience. And like
[6:11] Speaker 1: most people, if that had happened to you, And again
[6:14] Speaker 1: it's all alleged it's all speculation at this point. Well,
[6:16] Speaker 1: you can imagine that part of your circuits would short out.
[6:22] Speaker 1: But the difference between the full training of police and
[6:28] Speaker 1: the citizen who would have to react in a moment
[6:30] Speaker 1: like this is the ability to deal with those horrible, horrific, unnecessary,
[6:38] Speaker 1: unwelcomed emotions such as shock of somebody biting you, but
[6:43] Speaker 1: being able to work out a proportionate response. Now, I
[6:47] Speaker 1: noticed that there are some people online already trying to
[6:49] Speaker 1: whip this up into suggesting that it is Australia's Rodney
[6:52] Speaker 1: King moment. I don't believe that to be the case.
[6:57] Speaker 1: Do I believe that blanket? It's all, okay, there's no
[7:01] Speaker 1: case to answer here, but what about this?
[7:03] Speaker 2: But what about that?
[7:04] Speaker 1: No, and yes, it is just ten seconds of footage.
[7:08] Speaker 1: But the truth is there's so much cameras that are
[7:10] Speaker 1: around in the world, including the body cams, where we
[7:13] Speaker 1: can see the next ten seconds, the next ten seconds,
[7:16] Speaker 1: and a whole lot longer. I fully support the police
[7:20] Speaker 1: in their ability to want to keep people inside the
[7:24] Speaker 1: agreed area where they shouldn't have even been anyway in
[7:27] Speaker 1: the first place, in and around town Hall. I am
[7:32] Speaker 1: pro cop, but I can't free pass what we all
[7:34] Speaker 1: see with our own eyes about whether this is a
[7:37] Speaker 1: situation that has gone too far or not. Now I
[7:40] Speaker 1: can't stand these protesters, and I can't stand these protesters
[7:45] Speaker 1: middle fingering the lures that everyone else has to pay
[7:48] Speaker 1: attention to. But let's see where the next twenty four
[7:51] Speaker 1: forty eight hours go. Will the actions of the officers
[7:55] Speaker 1: be completely justified once you know about the alleged bite,
[7:59] Speaker 1: that might changetive? Once we get to see more footage,
[8:02] Speaker 1: and there will be more footage, will it change the
[8:04] Speaker 1: perspectives now again, many people who will look back at
[8:08] Speaker 1: the events of this past week with the benefit of
[8:11] Speaker 1: being able to pass no opinion on it until a
[8:14] Speaker 1: week's time, they need to know that I make these
[8:16] Speaker 1: comments right now on a Tuesday night, within twenty four
[8:20] Speaker 1: hours of that footage taking place. I hope that the
[8:23] Speaker 1: more footage it gets better for police. But there are
[8:26] Speaker 1: those who have already decided that the footage that you've
[8:29] Speaker 1: just seen is enough to compare it to something like
[8:32] Speaker 1: as you see the Rodney King effect in the United States.
[8:37] Speaker 1: Hence why there was the protest outside of the Sydney
[8:40] Speaker 1: Police Center or the headquarters in Central Sydney this afternoon
[8:45] Speaker 1: defending their actions was the commissioner today.
[8:49] Speaker 5: The police did what they needed to do, which was
[8:52] Speaker 5: to hold the line and then form and move.
[8:54] Speaker 1: The protesters back with a view to dispersing them. That
[8:58] Speaker 1: was designed to keep the communities. Now again, I know
[9:02] Speaker 1: it'd be so easy to sit here and to dole
[9:04] Speaker 1: out the red meat. They got what they deserve, good on,
[9:08] Speaker 1: But no, that's not the way it works. The training
[9:13] Speaker 1: of the police means that they are to provide strong
[9:17] Speaker 1: resistance to somebody who's trying to break the law, maximum
[9:21] Speaker 1: restraint to somebody who is a danger to somebody else,
[9:24] Speaker 1: the ability to provide significant force to somebody who is
[9:29] Speaker 1: going to injure the officer, and of course potentially even
[9:32] Speaker 1: lethal force if that officer's life or a member of
[9:35] Speaker 1: the public's life is in danger. That is a huge responsibility.
[9:39] Speaker 1: These are split second decisions. I wouldn't imagine what it
[9:43] Speaker 1: is like to walk a minute, let alone a mile
[9:45] Speaker 1: in their shoes. But again, I can't just serve up
[9:49] Speaker 1: because you don't like the cause, and you don't like
[9:51] Speaker 1: some of the people, and you don't like their attitude
[9:55] Speaker 1: that there isn't a maybe at the very least to
[9:58] Speaker 1: be seen here. Not that you yet any credit for
[10:00] Speaker 1: saying such things, but again, there is nuance in the world,
[10:04] Speaker 1: and those who want to pay attention to the nuance
[10:05] Speaker 1: you can have a better time than those of you
[10:07] Speaker 1: the world in black and white. As for the Premierre,
[10:10] Speaker 1: he's backing in the police again. He made these comments
[10:13] Speaker 1: before there was a mass circulation. I believe in the
[10:15] Speaker 1: timeline of that video I was showing you.
[10:17] Speaker 3: Before police lines were repeatedly breached or attempted to be
[10:22] Speaker 3: breached by the protesters as the night wore on and
[10:25] Speaker 3: New South Wales Police, and I've spoken to the commanders
[10:27] Speaker 3: both last night and this morning, gave ample time for
[10:30] Speaker 3: people to leave the area and the circumstances facing New
[10:33] Speaker 3: South Wales Police was incredibly difficult. It was in effect
[10:37] Speaker 3: in the middle of a riot, and I think fairminded
[10:39] Speaker 3: people would look at the context of that interaction before
[10:42] Speaker 3: condemning New South Wales Police.
[10:45] Speaker 1: Now, one of those who was at the protest at
[10:47] Speaker 1: tonight was of course the bloke who was behind the
[10:49] Speaker 1: protest on the Hubbridge and in between the one that
[10:52] Speaker 1: took place last night in Sydney, Josh lees Is. His
[10:55] Speaker 1: name is of course ahead of that pro Palestine group.
[10:58] Speaker 1: Now I've got something very important to say here about
[11:02] Speaker 1: the double standard which for some reason is being applied
[11:05] Speaker 1: to this group, and I do not understand why. Now
[11:09] Speaker 1: there was a huge amount of police resourcing that was
[11:12] Speaker 1: required because these people stated their intention to break the law,
[11:18] Speaker 1: that police presence got even more significant when people started
[11:23] Speaker 1: to break the law. The same law that would apply
[11:25] Speaker 1: to somebody from the far left to the far right,
[11:27] Speaker 1: for a Christian to a Muslim, to a due to
[11:29] Speaker 1: a non believer, to somebody who wants twenty four to
[11:32] Speaker 1: seven lockdown, to people who believe that nobody should have
[11:36] Speaker 1: been vaccinated. That's the reality of the law and that's
[11:40] Speaker 1: what the police are there to do. But what I
[11:43] Speaker 1: find unbelievable is that we have a system in Australia
[11:47] Speaker 1: in certain states where you can be sent the bill
[11:52] Speaker 1: if the police are required because of what you're planning
[11:56] Speaker 1: to do. Most famously, when Nigel Ferran was in Australia,
[12:01] Speaker 1: he had a ticketed event again in Darling Harbor, but
[12:06] Speaker 1: because a bunch of Trots wanted to go protest and
[12:10] Speaker 1: cause trouble, the police said they had to send extra
[12:12] Speaker 1: officers as a result, they sent a bill for thousands
[12:17] Speaker 1: of dollars to not the organizers of the protest, not
[12:21] Speaker 1: the people who are the reason why the police are there. No, no, no,
[12:24] Speaker 1: they said the bill. As you saw to Nigel Farage's
[12:28] Speaker 1: event promoter, we have a face, We have an organization
[12:34] Speaker 1: that is able to give interviews, that is willing to
[12:37] Speaker 1: go to court, that clearly is lawyered up. Could somebody
[12:41] Speaker 1: explain to me how there is no one tonight talking
[12:44] Speaker 1: about sending a bill to these people a bill because
[12:52] Speaker 1: the reality is is that again everyone has the right
[12:54] Speaker 1: to protest, but you don't have the right just to
[12:56] Speaker 1: break the law. Now, I know, selling me manace. A
[12:59] Speaker 1: long time ago, a couple of political generations ago said
[13:03] Speaker 1: you know you can break the law if you think
[13:04] Speaker 1: it's a bad law. Ain't the way it works again,
[13:07] Speaker 1: I repeat, far left, far right, Pro Australia day, Anti
[13:11] Speaker 1: Australia day, you name your cause, you can't break the law.
[13:17] Speaker 1: We have already seen a very soft approach to the
[13:21] Speaker 1: very same groups of people who remember the day after
[13:24] Speaker 1: October seventh when in Sydney they were going to light
[13:27] Speaker 1: up the Sydney Opera House. They met at Town Hall.
[13:31] Speaker 1: The plan was to stay at town Hall, but they
[13:34] Speaker 1: decided to up and push past the police. Go down
[13:37] Speaker 1: George Street, turn right at Circular Key, left past the
[13:41] Speaker 1: toaster and bang, where's the Jews? Where's the Jews? Police
[13:45] Speaker 1: at the time said that they were overwhelmed by the crowd.
[13:51] Speaker 1: So we know who they are. It doesn't matter what
[13:54] Speaker 1: their cause is. They're willing to give interviews. So if
[13:57] Speaker 1: Nigel Farage gets sent a bill for an event that
[14:00] Speaker 1: was a ticketed event behind closed doors in a theater
[14:04] Speaker 1: in central Sydney, what happens to the organizers and the
[14:08] Speaker 1: organization who may well have rich benefactors or crowdfunded, or
[14:12] Speaker 1: challenge it all the way to the damn High Court?
[14:14] Speaker 1: But still, how is there not even the beginning of
[14:17] Speaker 1: some sort of recompense, considering that each and every one
[14:20] Speaker 1: of those officers who was there last night should have
[14:23] Speaker 1: been somewhere else dealing with something else.
[14:28] Speaker 2: Oh, let's talk about the Libs.
[14:30] Speaker 1: Yes, in the next couple of days there will be
[14:32] Speaker 1: most likely the challenge from Angus Taylor to Susan Lee. Now,
[14:38] Speaker 1: whether this happens that here is what is expected. Apparently
[14:41] Speaker 1: Angus Taylor doesn't want to become leader before two pm
[14:45] Speaker 1: on Thursday, because he doesn't want to with sort of
[14:48] Speaker 1: half a minute's notice, have to go into question time
[14:50] Speaker 1: get pointed out and carried on.
[14:52] Speaker 2: At by the Labor Party.
[14:53] Speaker 1: So the expectation is that tomorrow being Wednesday or Thursday morning,
[14:59] Speaker 1: is when all of the p people who want him
[15:00] Speaker 1: to be the leader are going to start to hand
[15:02] Speaker 1: in their resignations, which triggers the opportunity for a spill,
[15:09] Speaker 1: and that spill would happen most likely after question time
[15:12] Speaker 1: on Thursday. That said, we could wake up to panic
[15:15] Speaker 1: tomorrow morning, panic tomorrow afternoon, panic Thursday morning, or a
[15:18] Speaker 1: holdover on Friday. But the expectation is that by the
[15:21] Speaker 1: weekend there will be at the very least the challenge
[15:25] Speaker 1: and we'll see what happens after that. But again, the
[15:28] Speaker 1: people behind Angus Taylor are telling the newspapers just like
[15:31] Speaker 1: the people who were behind Andrew Hasty were telling the
[15:35] Speaker 1: newspapers that they've got the numbers. Well, my suggestion would be,
[15:38] Speaker 1: if you have the numbers, you test the numbers. You
[15:41] Speaker 1: test the numbers by at a party room meeting like
[15:44] Speaker 1: the one they had yesterday, saying look, any general business, YEP,
[15:47] Speaker 1: I've got some let's have a vote on who should
[15:50] Speaker 1: be the leader. All of them are there again tomorrow,
[15:54] Speaker 1: again on Thursday, and then Parliament buggers off for a
[15:57] Speaker 1: couple of weeks. So if you've got the numbers, use
[16:00] Speaker 1: the numbers. Use the numbers now. But we'll see further too.
[16:04] Speaker 1: My point, by the way, about when resignations are going
[16:08] Speaker 1: to take place. Pay attention to the language of the
[16:10] Speaker 1: Shadow Communications Minister Melissa Macintosh today. Now, Melissa Macintosh is
[16:14] Speaker 1: very successful politician in Western Sydney. Remember the seat of
[16:17] Speaker 1: Lindsay was one that's gone liberal labor, liberal labor, liberal labor,
[16:20] Speaker 1: where she's held at liberal liberal liberal even when the
[16:22] Speaker 1: tides come in, the tide's gone out on the government.
[16:25] Speaker 1: She is saying not today about whether she would be resigning,
[16:30] Speaker 1: and I'm sorry to do it to you, and I
[16:32] Speaker 1: hope you're sitting down. But this bit's about the ghosts.
[16:34] Speaker 1: Here is a trigger warning that there is a ghost
[16:37] Speaker 1: about to be discussed. The ghost was in Canberra today.
[16:42] Speaker 2: Now.
[16:43] Speaker 1: I did a little bit of eating to work out
[16:45] Speaker 1: whether this was just a spontaneous turn up or whether
[16:48] Speaker 1: this was something that had a little bit of planning.
[16:49] Speaker 1: Reality is yes, there was a little bit of planning. Now,
[16:53] Speaker 1: of course it was up to Malcolm Turnble whether Malcolm
[16:55] Speaker 1: Turnbull stayed in the areas of Parliament House where you
[16:58] Speaker 1: can have an event but the media is not allowed to,
[17:00] Speaker 1: or you invite everyone out to have a chat to
[17:03] Speaker 1: you in the areas where the media can absolutely cover you.
[17:07] Speaker 1: In fact, I think he's standing basically on the same
[17:09] Speaker 1: spot and don't think that's not part of his thinking
[17:13] Speaker 1: where I think he made his challenge all the way
[17:15] Speaker 1: back when when he was the one who broke the
[17:16] Speaker 1: Liberal Party back in twenty fifteen. Now, of course he
[17:19] Speaker 1: couldn't say he's here to hang shit on the Liberal Party,
[17:22] Speaker 1: so he had to pretend that I was available to
[17:24] Speaker 1: the media to talk about anything.
[17:26] Speaker 5: But a Hi, I'm Malcolm Turnbull. I'm president of the
[17:30] Speaker 5: International Hydro Power Association.
[17:32] Speaker 2: I'm here with Rachel.
[17:33] Speaker 5: Watson, the chief executive of Hydro Tasmania.
[17:37] Speaker 1: What about the transition aviators anyway, as if you need
[17:41] Speaker 1: to introduce himself. But this is all part of the
[17:43] Speaker 1: game because all of the media who have been told, hey,
[17:47] Speaker 1: Malcolm's going to be downstairs, can you be there at
[17:49] Speaker 1: whatever a clock, they.
[17:50] Speaker 2: Didn't give us stuff about hydro power today.
[17:53] Speaker 1: We all know what they were going to do. When
[17:55] Speaker 1: are you talking about the Libs? You know, those people
[17:57] Speaker 1: that you probably haven't voted for since two thousand and nineteen.
[18:03] Speaker 1: Oh yeah, but you're still a member apparently of the party.
[18:05] Speaker 1: You never say anything positive about them, but you know
[18:08] Speaker 1: you've got lots of advice about what they should do
[18:11] Speaker 1: to get reelected. Well, of course they asked, and he
[18:16] Speaker 1: served it up. Now I only play this because this
[18:20] Speaker 1: is insulting to you. Now again, I lead with the chin,
[18:23] Speaker 1: and that's fine. He's going to have a swinging out.
[18:25] Speaker 1: That's whatever. He sits there in the big pink mansion.
[18:28] Speaker 1: Lots more worry about us than there is that we
[18:31] Speaker 1: about him. But I'm showing you this because it was
[18:33] Speaker 1: an insult to you. Whether you love the show, hate
[18:36] Speaker 1: the show, hate watch the show, whether you are a
[18:39] Speaker 1: hardcore conservative, whether you're a lefty liberal, whether you're a
[18:42] Speaker 1: labor voter who goes every now and then he's all right,
[18:45] Speaker 1: or you're a one nation hardcore this is what he
[18:48] Speaker 1: said today.
[18:50] Speaker 5: This is the inevitable consequence for the Liberal Party of
[18:53] Speaker 5: imagining that the goal of politics is to seek the
[18:57] Speaker 5: approval of the Sky News audience. Now that may well
[19:02] Speaker 5: represent many of the members of their branches, but it
[19:05] Speaker 5: does not represent Australia.
[19:08] Speaker 2: Now again, and I.
[19:10] Speaker 1: Know the problem with the way this works, right is
[19:12] Speaker 1: that no one gets a final say. He'll always pop
[19:16] Speaker 1: his head up, doesn't. He is like three times a
[19:18] Speaker 1: week he's either on Radio National, or he's on with
[19:21] Speaker 1: PK in the afternoon, or he's somewhere. You know, he's
[19:25] Speaker 1: hardly the sort of Julia Gillard model of thanks see ya,
[19:29] Speaker 1: because he knows that there's a whole bunch of people
[19:33] Speaker 1: who somehow see his version of the Liberal Party as
[19:35] Speaker 1: the one that got away, the one that was so
[19:38] Speaker 1: damned successful. The only problem is for many of those
[19:41] Speaker 1: who just give him a free run, who never point
[19:44] Speaker 1: out his own failures. Can we have a look at
[19:46] Speaker 1: the scoreboard? Because remember, of course Tony Abbott was the
[19:50] Speaker 1: one who brought them back to power in twenty thirteen.
[19:53] Speaker 1: It was Malcolm Turnbull who broke the Liberal Party by
[19:56] Speaker 1: becoming leader, meaning there was no difference between Liberal and Labor.
[20:00] Speaker 1: So at the twenty and sixteen election they lost fourteen seats,
[20:03] Speaker 1: they held on by just one. They lost three Senate seats.
[20:07] Speaker 1: The way he decided to have the two thousand and
[20:09] Speaker 1: sixteen election was he decided to have a double disillusion election,
[20:12] Speaker 1: which means the threshold for people to get into the
[20:14] Speaker 1: Senate was lower. The result was not one, but four
[20:18] Speaker 1: One Nation senators entered the Parliament, including Pauline Hanson, who
[20:22] Speaker 1: remember he tried to punch down on in the final
[20:24] Speaker 1: days of the campaign. Jackie Lamby made her way in
[20:27] Speaker 1: on her own. There were three Center Alliance including Nick
[20:30] Speaker 1: Xenophon plus two. But of course, don't forget the damage
[20:37] Speaker 1: this bloke has done, which is remember he decided to
[20:41] Speaker 1: join a team, and he was able to rise to
[20:46] Speaker 1: become a minister and Opposition leader and via the back door,
[20:51] Speaker 1: the Prime Minister. He couldn't do that without the team.
[20:57] Speaker 1: But of course if the team didn't think that he
[20:59] Speaker 1: was the missa, well then they must pay, and they
[21:01] Speaker 1: must pay in blood political blood.
[21:03] Speaker 2: Of course, he.
[21:04] Speaker 1: Didn't just sit on the back bench wait till the
[21:06] Speaker 1: next election. Okay, find fair enough, but we remember that
[21:09] Speaker 1: he pulled the pin and from memory, took no part
[21:15] Speaker 1: whatsoever in an attempt to replace himself with a liberal. No, no, no,
[21:21] Speaker 1: he just sat back and let Karen Phelps become the
[21:25] Speaker 1: model for the Teals. He got a person called Julia Banks,
[21:29] Speaker 1: and good luck trying to remember her and the nothingness
[21:31] Speaker 1: of her political career. But remember she became an independent
[21:35] Speaker 1: because it was a way of trying to rob the
[21:37] Speaker 1: Liberal Party of a majority in Parliament. And the thing
[21:41] Speaker 1: that has always sent Turnbule clearly crazy behind the scenes
[21:47] Speaker 1: and would help justify the g had of observations that
[21:53] Speaker 1: he has made since is that the Liberal Party didn't
[21:57] Speaker 1: die when he left. In fact, remember it thrived in
[22:03] Speaker 1: twenty nineteen. It was supposed to crumble. But remember when
[22:06] Speaker 1: Scott Morrison got more votes in Malcolm Turnbull. Remember when
[22:09] Speaker 1: Scott Morrison won, And of course that means that any
[22:14] Speaker 1: and everyone involved at all in anything other than Malcolm
[22:17] Speaker 1: turnbull adoration needs.
[22:19] Speaker 2: To pay.
[22:21] Speaker 1: Now since that day, I can't pretend to the scoreboard
[22:24] Speaker 1: doesn't look horrific that the twenty and twenty two election
[22:29] Speaker 1: resulted in a loss of government and a huge loss
[22:31] Speaker 1: in the number of seats, that the twenty twenty five
[22:34] Speaker 1: election did not resolve in more seats being lost. But
[22:38] Speaker 1: what really pisses me off not about Turnbull but about
[22:41] Speaker 1: many of the observations about the center right of Australian politics,
[22:45] Speaker 1: and not so passive aggressive references to what people like
[22:49] Speaker 1: I say on television or more importantly, people like you
[22:52] Speaker 1: watching it believe. And of course just because I say
[22:55] Speaker 1: it doesn't mean you have to or even do at times,
[22:59] Speaker 1: believe it. I'm just offering an opinion. You put it
[23:02] Speaker 1: in the mix with everything else that you read, saying here, okay,
[23:04] Speaker 1: this ain't church. What annoys me the most again about
[23:11] Speaker 1: this situation is that, yes, the results of the elections
[23:14] Speaker 1: were terrible, but remember what they did to Morrison. Remember
[23:20] Speaker 1: how they weaponized the claims that made it seem like
[23:23] Speaker 1: it was official government policy to look the other way
[23:28] Speaker 1: when horrible things were being alleged in terms of one
[23:32] Speaker 1: minister's office. We, of course, in that not to be true.
[23:37] Speaker 1: We've seen not one, but two courts that have ruled
[23:38] Speaker 1: that to the be the case. But who cares? What
[23:41] Speaker 1: is it the ligos around the world before the truth
[23:45] Speaker 1: gets to put its studs on in the morning. Then
[23:49] Speaker 1: of course there's the oh, well, Scott Morrison's individually and
[23:51] Speaker 1: personally responsible for the fires. Well, hang on, He's no
[23:56] Speaker 1: more responsible for the fires than the Prime minister or
[23:58] Speaker 1: any prime minister is for a vs.
[24:00] Speaker 2: Hints that take place.
[24:04] Speaker 1: But of course all of this comes down to some
[24:06] Speaker 1: of these fundamental beliefs, and that's fine. People have the
[24:08] Speaker 1: belief that the Liberal Party has gone too far this
[24:10] Speaker 1: way or not enough far that way when it comes
[24:12] Speaker 1: to principally things like climate change. But to pretend that
[24:17] Speaker 1: there hasn't been the cost of living crisis, that there
[24:19] Speaker 1: wasn't the failures of the referendum, that the Libs weren't
[24:24] Speaker 1: up in the polls at any time in the past
[24:27] Speaker 1: three years, is of course fantasy. But at the end,
[24:29] Speaker 1: all you can do is look at the scoreboard. And
[24:31] Speaker 1: just as the scoreboard looks bad for Dunton, bad for Morrison,
[24:35] Speaker 1: it's bad for turnboard. Yet because he's the one who
[24:41] Speaker 1: always slings it on the right wing or anyone who
[24:44] Speaker 1: God forbid stands up for what they believe in. And
[24:46] Speaker 1: that's the point of opinion television, is that you stand
[24:52] Speaker 1: up for what you believe in. That unless you believe
[24:56] Speaker 1: that the Second Coming was the first coming of him
[25:01] Speaker 1: as prime minister, then somehow you're part of the problem
[25:03] Speaker 1: and you will eventually be squeezed out of history. The
[25:07] Speaker 1: Lib's doing a great job of putting themselves in a
[25:09] Speaker 1: corner because they fail the purity tests of some people
[25:12] Speaker 1: on the right, and they certainly fail the purity tests
[25:14] Speaker 1: of some people on the left. But let's not pretend
[25:16] Speaker 1: that there's some sort of high order here, otherwise Wooden
[25:19] Speaker 1: Turn will be trying to fill the branches, to change
[25:22] Speaker 1: the members, to advocate for different policy to help. It's
[25:27] Speaker 1: not like he doesn't have a couple of dollars to
[25:28] Speaker 1: donate to the campaigns that he wants to. But of
[25:31] Speaker 1: course it doesn't happen because it's all about destroying the club.
[25:39] Speaker 1: They didn't want you to be king forever. Let's get
[25:45] Speaker 1: to the one nation of it all, because some fascinating
[25:48] Speaker 1: numbers inside and behind the newspot. Now remember one nation,
[25:53] Speaker 1: of course flying high at the moment, as we showed
[25:54] Speaker 1: you last night about how yes, their steady climb comes
[25:57] Speaker 1: at one party's expense. That's the coalition, as we showed you.
[26:02] Speaker 1: But again this all gets missed in the smart assing
[26:06] Speaker 1: about what we do here I show you each and
[26:08] Speaker 1: every night. I'll tell you the bad news too, and
[26:10] Speaker 1: the bad news right now is if there was an election,
[26:12] Speaker 1: the Labor Party would win more seats, in part because
[26:15] Speaker 1: Labour's vote hasn't really changed, in part because the overall
[26:19] Speaker 1: center left of Australia is fifty five percent in the
[26:21] Speaker 1: center right is forty five percent. That's the way it
[26:24] Speaker 1: works right now. Well, let's imagine one nation gets more
[26:29] Speaker 1: votes than the coalition. Well, of course to win you
[26:31] Speaker 1: have to get fifty and a bit, which means you
[26:35] Speaker 1: need preferences. Here's the bit that's concerning for people who
[26:38] Speaker 1: want anything but a Labor government. One nation would receive
[26:43] Speaker 1: just twenty nine percent of preferences from Coalition, Greens and
[26:47] Speaker 1: independent voters. If an election was held last week. That
[26:51] Speaker 1: would mean the pull in Hanson's party would have a
[26:52] Speaker 1: little chance of winning a large number of seats despite
[26:54] Speaker 1: a sharp increase in support.
[26:57] Speaker 2: To give you an idea here, when.
[26:59] Speaker 1: People will ask who are current Liberal voters who would
[27:03] Speaker 1: get your preference? A third would prefer the Labor Party
[27:08] Speaker 1: as a government than One Nation as a government. That
[27:14] Speaker 1: is a big problem one that again we will have
[27:17] Speaker 1: to dive into, have to discuss, and we will do
[27:20] Speaker 1: so a.
[27:20] Speaker 2: Little bit later in the program.
[27:22] Speaker 1: Now, the Sky News polse is a brand new opinion poll.
[27:27] Speaker 1: It is done in conjunction with the good people of you, gov.
[27:29] Speaker 1: And here is a little peak at tomorrow's pole. All right, well,
[27:40] Speaker 1: who do people think should be the next leader of
[27:44] Speaker 1: the Liberal Party. Well, the answer is fascinating. Remember this
[27:48] Speaker 1: is a poll of outabotskynws dot com dot au. Now
[27:51] Speaker 1: is a little peaky preview of it. Full details tomorrow
[27:55] Speaker 1: morning when you get up bang. This is what you
[27:57] Speaker 1: do make sky News the homepage. Currently just ten percent
[28:01] Speaker 1: of people say Susan Lee should be the leader and
[28:04] Speaker 1: who is best place to win the next election? Angus
[28:07] Speaker 1: Taylor is at eight percent. Hasty beats them all at
[28:11] Speaker 1: fifteen percent, but remember he's out of the running. Tim Wilson,
[28:14] Speaker 1: ted O, Brian Melissa Macintosh register in the poll. But
[28:18] Speaker 1: that big number of sixty percent is the one that
[28:22] Speaker 1: is worth the headline. Sixty percent of people when asked
[28:24] Speaker 1: about who is best placed to win the next election
[28:28] Speaker 1: on the behalf of the he said a right of
[28:29] Speaker 1: Australian politics. Six out of ten do not know.
[28:32] Speaker 2: The rest.
[28:33] Speaker 1: Well, all divvying up what is a fairly small pie. Also,
[28:37] Speaker 1: by the way, let's break this down by party, because
[28:39] Speaker 1: this is really interesting to overlook. At Liberals alone, they say,
[28:44] Speaker 1: twenty one percent say Lee, nineteen percent say Hasty, fourteen
[28:47] Speaker 1: percent say Taylor. One nation people thirty one percent say Hasty,
[28:52] Speaker 1: two percent say Lee, eleven percent say Taylor. Of labor voters,
[28:57] Speaker 1: they want Lee fifteen percent, Hasty six percent, Taylor five percent,
[29:03] Speaker 1: and the rest, of course, are all making up the numbers.
[29:06] Speaker 1: I've got to say when it comes to this poll,
[29:08] Speaker 1: no offense to any of those personalities. Second Little Insight
[29:12] Speaker 1: into the Sky Newspolse available tomorrow morning at sky news
[29:15] Speaker 1: dot com dot au, reported by my dear friend Peter Stephanovic.
[29:18] Speaker 1: In first edition. Hear, do people blame when it comes
[29:21] Speaker 1: to the interest rate rises? Thirty five percent of people
[29:24] Speaker 1: say the federal government and the Reserve Bank. Oh that's
[29:26] Speaker 1: a cop out position, isn't it. But anyway, thirty percent
[29:29] Speaker 1: say the federal government, seven percent say the RBA banks
[29:32] Speaker 1: and other lenders at nine percent unsure nineteen interesting wording.
[29:36] Speaker 1: But federal goverment and the Reserve Bank, Well, of course
[29:39] Speaker 1: there's the people who actually make the decision, the Reserve Bank,
[29:41] Speaker 1: and the people who spend too much money helping them
[29:43] Speaker 1: make that decision. The federal government thirty five percent tomorrow
[29:46] Speaker 1: the Sky News website skynews dot com dot au. Sky
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[30:07] Speaker 1: details about the Sky News Pulse Quick break Back with
[30:09] Speaker 1: Law plenty to talk about, including grace time and whether
[30:14] Speaker 1: she should still be able to call herself a one
[30:16] Speaker 1: time Australian of the Year. I'll give you the tip
[30:19] Speaker 1: they won't do anything to her morning.
[30:21] Speaker 2: See.
[30:27] Speaker 1: Oh, you're almost caught us taking a selfie. The wonderful
[30:29] Speaker 1: Linda Scott is here. Equally lovely James Ashby is here
[30:33] Speaker 1: and he's taking it just from a very very long
[30:35] Speaker 1: arm a little further away. You're in You're in the
[30:38] Speaker 1: rainforest tonight are we sort of still up in QUEENSLANDA
[30:41] Speaker 1: where are you?
[30:41] Speaker 6: And I'm at home? Mate, But I've burnt all the
[30:45] Speaker 6: rest of the trees. He's all this left, mate.
[30:49] Speaker 1: Yep, He's just he's got a couple of bullocks and
[30:52] Speaker 1: they're just doing all the work, just old school. I
[30:55] Speaker 1: love it all right. So these protests that have taken
[30:58] Speaker 1: place over the past couple of days, now again there
[31:02] Speaker 1: well inevitably an investigation about the ten seconds of footage
[31:05] Speaker 1: that we've seen that I've commented on before, which is, hey,
[31:08] Speaker 1: if somebody's biting, you can understand how you would react.
[31:10] Speaker 1: I don't understand the second officer in this. But overall,
[31:14] Speaker 1: in terms of the police response, remember these protesters, they
[31:18] Speaker 1: were told not to be there. They appealed the right
[31:20] Speaker 1: of whether they could be there or not, and they
[31:22] Speaker 1: were told they shouldn't be there. They still turned up anyway.
[31:24] Speaker 1: And when they wanted to go and do what they
[31:26] Speaker 1: wanted to do because they felt their cause was sanctumonious
[31:29] Speaker 1: or important enough, well the police met them and said no.
[31:32] Speaker 1: Now again, far right, far left, pro anti whatever it
[31:36] Speaker 1: happens to be, that's the law that has to apply
[31:39] Speaker 1: to all of us. But of course we know that
[31:42] Speaker 1: as many of the speakers among them, the grace tame
[31:44] Speaker 1: and she was ripping in to globalize the Intafada all
[31:47] Speaker 1: the rest of it here. Now, let's be honest, she
[31:50] Speaker 1: would want us to have a long conversation about her
[31:52] Speaker 1: and about what her future is, about whether she does
[31:56] Speaker 1: or doesn't get held up as a former Australian in
[31:58] Speaker 1: the year. I think the reality is that they're going
[32:00] Speaker 1: to do nothing about all of that. So I suppose
[32:03] Speaker 1: we should talk about the police part of this here, Linda.
[32:06] Speaker 1: Is it what I've just said, which is essentially yep,
[32:10] Speaker 1: there's an issue that needs to be discussed. I'm not
[32:11] Speaker 1: going to pretend that there doesn't. But if you're told
[32:15] Speaker 1: you can't protest somewhere, you appeal, you can't protest somewhere,
[32:18] Speaker 1: you still turn up anyway. It doesn't matter what your
[32:21] Speaker 1: cause is, they're going to stop you doing it.
[32:24] Speaker 7: Look, I'm a pretty simple person, Paul. Two wrongs don't
[32:27] Speaker 7: make a right, and I definitely think that it's so
[32:30] Speaker 7: important that Australians have the right to protest. It's so
[32:32] Speaker 7: important that people have the right to express their views
[32:36] Speaker 7: of you know, agreement or dissent in a way that
[32:39] Speaker 7: doesn't harm other people. And that's a difficult balance at
[32:43] Speaker 7: the moment. And there's some very very you know, significant
[32:46] Speaker 7: feelings on all sides of this debate that are playing
[32:49] Speaker 7: out on Sydney streets. Particularly over the last few days.
[32:51] Speaker 7: You know, my friends and neighbors in Surrey Hills, you know,
[32:56] Speaker 7: getting in touch with me saying I don't quite feel
[32:58] Speaker 7: safe to go out and walk the dog at the moment,
[33:00] Speaker 7: you know. So it's been a really difficult time.
[33:03] Speaker 1: To blame the cops, you know, the ones that are
[33:04] Speaker 1: bringing it on.
[33:05] Speaker 7: I'm not attributing blame to anyone, but I do think
[33:08] Speaker 7: it is important to just bring the temperature down in
[33:12] Speaker 7: Sydney on the streets over the last forty eight hours,
[33:15] Speaker 7: it has been in many places pretty scary.
[33:19] Speaker 1: It doesn't that mean don't protest.
[33:20] Speaker 7: I think it means bring the temperature down. I think
[33:22] Speaker 7: it means obey the law. I think it does.
[33:25] Speaker 1: Then that's all I'm saying.
[33:26] Speaker 7: I think it does mean that people have the right
[33:29] Speaker 7: to protest. But some of the footage we've seen today, Paul,
[33:32] Speaker 7: and I think you would acknowledge it has been pretty shocked.
[33:35] Speaker 1: I was very clear again, James, I was very clear here, right,
[33:38] Speaker 1: which is, look, I don't want to walk them mile
[33:40] Speaker 1: in an officer's shoes. But also I'm not going to
[33:42] Speaker 1: just give free pass because I'm pro cop. Right, someone
[33:45] Speaker 1: will investigate this. We've seen ten seconds. There's plenty of
[33:48] Speaker 1: cameras in the streets on the bodies that will give
[33:50] Speaker 1: us the next team the next ten and then we'll
[33:52] Speaker 1: all know, okay, And it'd be great for me to
[33:54] Speaker 1: be shooting from the hip that this is Australia's next
[33:57] Speaker 1: Rodney King or whatever that was being pushed around by
[34:00] Speaker 1: today and the others go, oh, they deserve it. No, sorry,
[34:02] Speaker 1: that's not the way it works. You actually have to
[34:04] Speaker 1: wait and see. But what did you think about the
[34:07] Speaker 1: overall police response and again that fundamental they were breaking
[34:11] Speaker 1: the law.
[34:13] Speaker 6: Yeah, well, there's a reason why Linda's friends feel very
[34:18] Speaker 6: insecure about their safety across New South Wales. It's because
[34:22] Speaker 6: the men's government, and to his credit, Chris Mins, did
[34:25] Speaker 6: take action against these illegal protesters. Had to place one
[34:30] Speaker 6: police officer against every three protesters and took them off
[34:34] Speaker 6: the beat in suburban areas where people are looking for
[34:37] Speaker 6: that safety and security from police. Because we know that
[34:41] Speaker 6: our entire New South Wales state is not free of crime.
[34:46] Speaker 6: There would have been better ways to use police resources
[34:50] Speaker 6: and emergency service resources because it wasn't just police there
[34:53] Speaker 6: there was a whole lot of emergency services behind the scenes.
[34:57] Speaker 6: That were just waiting patiently in the event that something
[34:59] Speaker 6: did terrible did occur. So, Linda, you need to send
[35:04] Speaker 6: a little facts or memo or text message to all
[35:07] Speaker 6: those labor voters who were there today protesting illegally. They're
[35:11] Speaker 6: the ones who are voting for labor. They're the ones
[35:14] Speaker 6: who can't act responsibly in this country, and they're the
[35:18] Speaker 6: ones that are costing tens of millions of dollars to
[35:21] Speaker 6: the average taxpayer who shouldn't have to foot the bill
[35:23] Speaker 6: for this. By the way, it's time I.
[35:28] Speaker 1: See the day people.
[35:29] Speaker 7: When you wanted to suppress free speech for.
[35:31] Speaker 6: The terrible, terrible feeling of feeling unsafe on the streets
[35:35] Speaker 6: of New South Wales. You tell your friends that.
[35:37] Speaker 1: But okay, but my issue here again, it's not about
[35:40] Speaker 1: free speech or the rest right in that. Okay, if
[35:42] Speaker 1: there was an opportunity to argue against this law, there
[35:45] Speaker 1: will be an electoral consequence as to whether people support
[35:48] Speaker 1: this law or not. But it is the law, right,
[35:50] Speaker 1: so it's not optional about whether it is observed or not.
[35:54] Speaker 1: That's that's my point, right, which is they were told
[35:58] Speaker 1: you were allowed to, but you can't do it here. Now.
[36:01] Speaker 1: The area was big it's the CBD, it's the Eastant
[36:04] Speaker 1: so on the other foot, so the capacity, we know
[36:07] Speaker 1: they can cross the Harbor Bridge, so it's not like
[36:09] Speaker 1: they couldn't have done something on the other side.
[36:11] Speaker 7: I've been really Curiousaid about these things. And again I
[36:13] Speaker 7: just reiterate, I think the thing we all need to
[36:15] Speaker 7: do here is bring down the temperature. But we can
[36:18] Speaker 7: the provocative things. We will get angry, but it doesn't help,
[36:23] Speaker 7: and I think we just need.
[36:24] Speaker 1: To bring I want to get to the preferences question
[36:26] Speaker 1: here because James, again, there's a whole bunch of people,
[36:30] Speaker 1: including me, who are sort of going, well, let's let's
[36:32] Speaker 1: gameplay all of this the next two years. What's going
[36:34] Speaker 1: to happen. Let's pretend there's an election to morrow. There ain't. Okay,
[36:37] Speaker 1: there ain't. So yes, it is really interesting to watch
[36:41] Speaker 1: in the polls, and because you are so far above
[36:44] Speaker 1: we were at the election, it's virtually impossible for the
[36:48] Speaker 1: people who do the polls to work out two pp right.
[36:51] Speaker 1: Interesting to see today they did a little bit of
[36:53] Speaker 1: work about both actually asking if you're going to go
[36:57] Speaker 1: for one nation, where are you going to go? Or
[37:00] Speaker 1: if you do with your second preference what do you do?
[37:02] Speaker 1: That's fascinating. So how do you respond to this question
[37:07] Speaker 1: because you want people to back you, but you also
[37:09] Speaker 1: don't want, presumably a government you don't like, to end
[37:12] Speaker 1: up with one hundred and ten or one hundred and
[37:14] Speaker 1: twenty seats.
[37:17] Speaker 6: I think it's a really valid discussion to have. Now
[37:20] Speaker 6: we are two years out from this next federal election.
[37:23] Speaker 6: We know that there is likely to be electoral reform
[37:26] Speaker 6: a head of that election because the Labor government are
[37:29] Speaker 6: looking at increasing the Senate numbers by sixteen, which means
[37:34] Speaker 6: there will be an additional thirty two seats in the
[37:36] Speaker 6: lower House that will be added to that number. But
[37:39] Speaker 6: I think as part of that it is instrumental for
[37:42] Speaker 6: One Nation to put forward a legislative bill which says
[37:48] Speaker 6: we have to do away with compulsory preferential voting, because
[37:53] Speaker 6: it's quite clear a lot of Australians do not want
[37:56] Speaker 6: to put a number two, number three, number four against
[37:59] Speaker 6: any other political party, particularly the Greens and Labor when
[38:02] Speaker 6: you're on the conservative side. But the way that the
[38:05] Speaker 6: system is set up right now, we must number every box,
[38:08] Speaker 6: and One Nation have advocated for the fact that we
[38:11] Speaker 6: want optional preferential voting that way. If you only want
[38:15] Speaker 6: to put a one in the box, that's your call.
[38:17] Speaker 6: If you want to number all boxes, again, your decision.
[38:21] Speaker 6: You control your vote right now as it stands. But
[38:24] Speaker 6: the mere fact that we have to number every box
[38:27] Speaker 6: sort of does away with that one vote. You know,
[38:31] Speaker 6: one person represents one vote because the vote carries in
[38:34] Speaker 6: this circumstance, and it was designed Howard introduced it. We
[38:38] Speaker 6: should get rid of it. And that's on a state
[38:40] Speaker 6: and federal level because I think there's a lot of
[38:43] Speaker 6: Australians that would back one nation in that stance, and
[38:46] Speaker 6: I think you get different electoral outcomes as a result
[38:49] Speaker 6: of that.
[38:49] Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, Linda, what is fascinating, right? And obviously
[38:51] Speaker 1: at one point being a candidate, you know, helped by
[38:54] Speaker 1: and hurt by preferences. That's the way that the world
[38:56] Speaker 1: works right now in America. Basically that we vote in
[39:00] Speaker 1: Australia is how the people who decide the oscars vote right,
[39:04] Speaker 1: And when the preferential system is being explained to people
[39:08] Speaker 1: who don't understand, their brains explode.
[39:10] Speaker 2: Right.
[39:10] Speaker 1: But one of the terms they use is a term
[39:11] Speaker 1: called consensus voting right, which is that Okay, you might
[39:15] Speaker 1: start out with thirty people here and thirty people there,
[39:18] Speaker 1: and fifteen here and fifteen there. But eventually you have
[39:21] Speaker 1: to coalesce around something.
[39:23] Speaker 2: Right.
[39:24] Speaker 1: But we also know that the Labor Party can sit
[39:27] Speaker 1: in a position where thirty three percent of the vote's
[39:30] Speaker 1: going to back them in. But because the more center
[39:33] Speaker 1: left that gets added to the ballot, the more preferences
[39:37] Speaker 1: flow back because they agree with them, nothing illegal about it.
[39:40] Speaker 1: It means they can sit there with a third of
[39:44] Speaker 1: the support that ends up being ninety one hundred seats
[39:48] Speaker 1: in the Parliament. That does seem a little win.
[39:51] Speaker 7: We look, I tell you what I won't do, and
[39:53] Speaker 7: I will never argue to kind of fiddle the rules
[39:55] Speaker 7: around to benefit the Labor Party. We've got to have
[39:57] Speaker 7: a principled approach to our democracy. And James here is
[40:01] Speaker 7: essentially arguing for a system that kind of fiddles the
[40:04] Speaker 7: rules to benefit his party based on this polling. So
[40:07] Speaker 7: that's disappointing.
[40:08] Speaker 6: I think the adding senators your side with one party, we're.
[40:13] Speaker 7: Adding proposing to add senators to ensure that there's enough.
[40:18] Speaker 1: And how offices on the Act. It's going to be
[40:25] Speaker 1: Labor Green, Teal Green, Right, Well, that is a matter
[40:28] Speaker 1: for the elector and that's why they're extending anyway.
[40:31] Speaker 7: What is what is also critical about this, though, James,
[40:34] Speaker 7: is that people are starting to watch one nation for
[40:36] Speaker 7: the first time and they're starting to see that You
[40:38] Speaker 7: come on Sky News and say one thing tonight, and
[40:40] Speaker 7: then your representatives go to Parliament in Canberra and they
[40:43] Speaker 7: vote differently, like you come on here and advocate for
[40:45] Speaker 7: cheaper medicines.
[40:50] Speaker 1: Come on here and you re argue, that's what will labor.
[40:53] Speaker 7: Do, limitations to all sorts of things about immigration processing.
[40:58] Speaker 7: You go back to Parliament the start of this year
[41:00] Speaker 7: and your representatives vote against.
[41:02] Speaker 1: A whole interesting.
[41:05] Speaker 6: I just think people are starting to latter trash.
[41:08] Speaker 7: Did you vote for the cheaper medicines bill, James? Did
[41:12] Speaker 7: you vote for the same job, same pay?
[41:16] Speaker 6: James, speaking as the chief, James Party voted the medicines.
[41:20] Speaker 7: You're party voted against all these things on the show
[41:24] Speaker 7: and you say you want them, and then your representatives
[41:27] Speaker 7: go to parliament and against So James, people are starting
[41:29] Speaker 7: to look. People are starting to look at one nation,
[41:31] Speaker 7: what they stand for, what they say and what they
[41:33] Speaker 7: do in the middle of James speak, have that accountability
[41:42] Speaker 7: and you don't.
[41:42] Speaker 1: Get and if you want to talk about something, to
[41:44] Speaker 1: look at a super proggressive movie dot com. It's a
[41:48] Speaker 1: great film. To go and have a look out. I
[41:49] Speaker 1: love you too, mother, I love you too. All right,
[41:51] Speaker 1: Well she can't say anything or she'll say it off there,
[41:54] Speaker 1: but watch what happens all right, more Pullmra Long Niger
[41:57] Speaker 1: for us standing by.
[42:02] Speaker 2: I do love you, Linda.
[42:08] Speaker 1: It's time for the man who's never foreign, Nigel Farage
[42:13] Speaker 1: up in the polls coming for whoever is the leader
[42:16] Speaker 1: of the Labor Party at a federal election in the
[42:19] Speaker 1: United Kingdom. The great Man Nigel Farrage, head of the
[42:21] Speaker 1: Reform Party, joins us now from London, where our colleagues
[42:25] Speaker 1: at Sky News UK are speaking softly but saying that
[42:28] Speaker 1: apparently the Prime Minister is being given a little more
[42:31] Speaker 1: time now. Obviously all of the cabinet's been cheering him on,
[42:35] Speaker 1: but the staff have been being thrown under the bus.
[42:37] Speaker 1: Does it matter if he goes today or he gets
[42:40] Speaker 1: a little more time, Nigel.
[42:46] Speaker 4: Look, it's a very somber moment. The curtains are drawn
[42:49] Speaker 4: in Downing Street as the political life ebbs away from
[42:52] Speaker 4: the most unpopular prime minister in the history of our country.
[42:56] Speaker 4: Even before the scandal broke, his approval reason was only
[43:01] Speaker 4: eleven percent. I mean, think about that. And the only
[43:04] Speaker 4: reason the cabinet came out yesterday and supported him is
[43:08] Speaker 4: they were told, if you don't, we're going to sack you.
[43:10] Speaker 4: So he has got no credibility within his own party,
[43:15] Speaker 4: no credibility in the country, no proper standing now on
[43:20] Speaker 4: the world stage. The bloke is a complete disaster and
[43:25] Speaker 4: the appointment of Peter Mandelson is just the straw that
[43:28] Speaker 4: has broken the camel's back. Whether he goes before the
[43:32] Speaker 4: end of this month or whether they keep him on
[43:35] Speaker 4: as the sacrificial lamb for the May the seventh Scottish,
[43:39] Speaker 4: Welsh and London elections, that bit I'm not sure of.
[43:43] Speaker 2: But he can't last long.
[43:45] Speaker 1: It's hard to explain to people about some of the
[43:47] Speaker 1: nuances of the UK system. But of course Scotland has
[43:52] Speaker 1: self determination, but of course is a part of the
[43:54] Speaker 1: United Kingdom. They will have those elections in the nixt
[43:57] Speaker 1: Little War And supposedly a great friend of Kio Star
[44:00] Speaker 1: was the Scottish Labor Party boss who came out in
[44:03] Speaker 1: the past twenty four hours and basically said time for
[44:05] Speaker 1: a change now. These are the moments that normally sort
[44:08] Speaker 1: of begin the snowball effect, but equally they can also
[44:12] Speaker 1: galvanize around people as well. What did that moment say
[44:16] Speaker 1: to you? Is that somebody trying to save there ares
[44:18] Speaker 1: in London or in Edinburgh?
[44:24] Speaker 4: Well in Edinburgh is he's Scotland?
[44:26] Speaker 1: Labor thought.
[44:27] Speaker 4: Labor thought they challenge the Scottish National Party in the
[44:31] Speaker 4: Scottish Parliament elections. And by the way, it's not weird.
[44:34] Speaker 4: You know you've got state parliaments all across Australia. That's
[44:37] Speaker 4: exactly what we've got here with Scotland, albeit albeit a
[44:40] Speaker 4: slightly bigger degree of separation. I guess what's happened in Scotland.
[44:46] Speaker 4: This new upstart party called Reform has come along and
[44:50] Speaker 4: is now ahead of Yeah, Yeah, is now ahead of
[44:54] Speaker 4: Labor in the polls. So mister Sahwah is tearing his
[44:58] Speaker 4: hair out and Starmer is even more unpopular in Scotland
[45:02] Speaker 4: than he is in England. So Sarawa comes out and
[45:05] Speaker 4: says it we expected the Welsh First Minister to follow suit.
[45:09] Speaker 4: She hasn't done so yet. Look, I think, how on earth,
[45:16] Speaker 4: how on earth can Labor fight the Scottish Parliament elections
[45:20] Speaker 4: with Keir Starmer in Downing Street and Sara in Edinburgh.
[45:24] Speaker 4: This is like, you know, gunfight at the ok Corral.
[45:27] Speaker 4: One of them has got to go.
[45:29] Speaker 1: What's your expectations about those Scottish elections and reform as
[45:33] Speaker 1: you say, polling better than labor, SNP that sort of
[45:36] Speaker 1: you know ebb and flow, but generally stick around for
[45:39] Speaker 1: the past twenty years or so. Can you unseat them?
[45:42] Speaker 1: Do you get close? What's your expectation? And again you've
[45:45] Speaker 1: always been pretty reasonable in saying, look, Paul's are good,
[45:48] Speaker 1: but votes are different.
[45:52] Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean look, you know we have come literally
[45:54] Speaker 4: from nowhere in Scotland, and I mean nowhere in Scotland.
[45:57] Speaker 4: And I was not a popular figure north of the
[46:00] Speaker 4: border ten years ago, but things have changed. If we
[46:03] Speaker 4: could become the official opposition in Scotland, that would be
[46:07] Speaker 4: the most incredible result, and I believe it's entirely doable.
[46:12] Speaker 4: We've got a leader in Scotland that I've appointed, a
[46:14] Speaker 4: man who had a principle has resigned his seat in
[46:18] Speaker 4: the House of Lords to run for us in Scotland.
[46:21] Speaker 2: Think about that.
[46:22] Speaker 4: He's given up the subsidized lunch and asleep on the
[46:24] Speaker 4: benches in the afternoon and a job that he's ninety
[46:27] Speaker 4: five to run for us. So well that's what the
[46:32] Speaker 4: House of Lords is, correct, Please, We've got a great.
[46:36] Speaker 2: Guy leading my charge.
[46:37] Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, So don't know, you know, I think
[46:40] Speaker 4: you know, things look good and Labor and by the way,
[46:43] Speaker 4: in Wales, which is really the home of the Labor
[46:46] Speaker 4: Party right back to its founder Keir Hardy in the
[46:49] Speaker 4: eighteen nineties, where all those constituentcies they've held since the
[46:54] Speaker 4: end of the Great War in nineteen eighteen. In Wales,
[46:57] Speaker 4: the last Labor poll had them on ten percent. So
[47:01] Speaker 4: it's wipeout on May the seventh, whatever happens. It's just
[47:05] Speaker 4: a question of whether this usly useless, dull prime minister
[47:09] Speaker 4: last that long.
[47:10] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[47:11] Speaker 1: I mean I was, you know, sitting up in the
[47:13] Speaker 1: middle of the night last night and sort of bouncing
[47:15] Speaker 1: around and having a look at all the different live
[47:16] Speaker 1: coverages that were happening, including GBN News of course your
[47:20] Speaker 1: television home in the UK and the Labor Line seemed
[47:25] Speaker 1: to be well, we were left such a mess and
[47:27] Speaker 1: we're just getting started. And remember it's a five year
[47:30] Speaker 1: project all the rest of it. But it's such garbage
[47:34] Speaker 1: when you can point to the very reason that you
[47:38] Speaker 1: have run, why you've built a party, and how a
[47:41] Speaker 1: party has grown since they've become The decisions made by
[47:45] Speaker 1: Starmer are burying starma, not the mess of what was
[47:49] Speaker 1: left for Starmer.
[47:51] Speaker 4: Correct, Yeah, I mean, of course he inherited a mess.
[47:56] Speaker 4: But I mean think about this. You know the small
[47:58] Speaker 4: boats crisis. People have now crossed the English Channel illegally
[48:02] Speaker 4: in Dinghies under Starmer than any of the previous prime ministers.
[48:07] Speaker 4: Our debt is spiraling, just catastrophe, the out of control.
[48:12] Speaker 4: And now we have two tier placing and two tier
[48:15] Speaker 4: justice where frankly, you can walk through the streets screaming
[48:20] Speaker 4: insults at Jewish people and get away with it. And yet,
[48:24] Speaker 4: and yet, if you're a white Anglo saxon brit and
[48:28] Speaker 4: you say something nasty on Twitter, you'll probably go to prison.
[48:31] Speaker 4: And all of that has happened under this cowardly weak
[48:35] Speaker 4: prime minister. So there's no one to blame but himself.
[48:38] Speaker 1: Bluddy Earth. Now, by the way, follow Nigel on all
[48:41] Speaker 1: of the socials. Follow reform as well, because the way
[48:43] Speaker 1: he presents I mean this is he's learned from that,
[48:45] Speaker 1: he's learned from Turning Point, He's learned from Trump, but
[48:48] Speaker 1: he's giving it its that that twist of a pint
[48:51] Speaker 1: as well. It is amazing to watch the way he's
[48:54] Speaker 1: presenting himself, the way that they are surging, and it
[48:56] Speaker 1: is just something I mini copy here as well. Mate,
[48:59] Speaker 1: well on love and watching it in the middle of
[49:02] Speaker 1: the night. I'm the one watching those press conferences from
[49:04] Speaker 1: the other side of the world. Nigel far Us there
[49:09] Speaker 1: in London will talk to them again next week. Quick
[49:11] Speaker 1: break back with more here on Paul Murray Live. Why
[49:13] Speaker 1: is Roadblocks not treated like every other form of social media?
[49:17] Speaker 1: Morenessing now. Roadblocks is a computer gaming system that is
[49:27] Speaker 1: particularly popular with kids. The only problem is is that
[49:30] Speaker 1: weirdos from the other side of the world or maybe
[49:33] Speaker 1: just around the corner, can get in touch with your
[49:35] Speaker 1: kids while they are playing it. Listen Macintosh's thing Shadow
[49:39] Speaker 1: Communications Minister.
[49:42] Speaker 3: Known.
[49:42] Speaker 8: Roadblocks has been an issue as the AFP Commissioner said
[49:46] Speaker 8: that it's a predator's playground, so something does need to
[49:50] Speaker 8: be done now.
[49:51] Speaker 1: I don't think anyone onder the age of sixteen should
[49:53] Speaker 1: be able to have an account, to have access to
[49:55] Speaker 1: be able.
[49:55] Speaker 2: To play it.
[49:56] Speaker 1: Why because of the openness of a creep from the
[49:59] Speaker 1: other side of the world. And remember you're not listening
[50:01] Speaker 1: to what happening on headphones. What's happening on headphones, So
[50:05] Speaker 1: it's got to be dealt with right, Well, of course
[50:07] Speaker 1: the Minister for Freebies is here to wave her finger.
[50:11] Speaker 8: I am disgusted and we should all be disgusted by
[50:16] Speaker 8: the reports that there are predators using roadblocks to target
[50:20] Speaker 8: and groom children, with reports that children as young as
[50:24] Speaker 8: four are being exposed to graphic and gratuitous content on
[50:29] Speaker 8: this platform. That is unacceptable and I will be using
[50:33] Speaker 8: every lever at my disposal to fix this.
[50:36] Speaker 1: Well here's an idea. Why don't you ban it with
[50:39] Speaker 1: all of the other things that you defined to be
[50:40] Speaker 1: social media like YouTube. The definition as to why kids
[50:44] Speaker 1: can't have YouTube accounts is because somebody might be able
[50:46] Speaker 1: to message them. That's what they can do on roadblocks.
[50:49] Speaker 1: Ban it for kids under sixteen or will that provide
[50:53] Speaker 1: some electoral problem that you're avoiding See tomorrow

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