# Paul Murray Live | 16 June

An episode of [Paul Murray Live](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/376966263), 16 Jun 2026, 49 min.

Audio: https://p.podderapp.com/2544644999/traffic.omny.fm/d/clips/2fb3740d-3436-44af-8cc0-a91900716aa5/be3abd48-25e5-45a6-aede-ac2a00524a12/c86072f8-50b6-4f35-a4e3-b46b00d445d3/audio.mp3?utm_source=Podcast&in_playlist=95971714-8fe6-4855-b1fe-ac2a00524a12

The Bureau of Meteorology officially declares El Nino event, Pauline Hanson purchases Origin television ad time. Plus, the rate has been paused but the pain is far from over. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:00] Speaker 1: From the sky News Center. This is Paul Murray Live.
[0:06] Speaker 1: Thank you Carolyn today mate, welcome to the man Cave.
[0:08] Speaker 1: In my hot little hand is the latest version of
[0:11] Speaker 1: the sky News Pulse. We will get to the primary
[0:21] Speaker 1: vote which remains steady for one nation. We will get
[0:24] Speaker 1: to the immense dissatisfaction when it comes to the Prime minister.
[0:29] Speaker 1: But the headline out of all of this, well, it
[0:31] Speaker 1: relates to how people feel about one nation and whether
[0:35] Speaker 1: they are ready to govern. In fact, the majority of
[0:37] Speaker 1: the country now says, right now today, if there was
[0:39] Speaker 1: an election, one nation would have the ability, would be
[0:43] Speaker 1: able to govern. Those numbers, well, they only get better
[0:47] Speaker 1: the deeper you go into those numbers. Have a look
[0:49] Speaker 1: at this ready to govern now fifty percent of people.
[0:52] Speaker 1: This of course is put together by the Yugov Organization
[0:55] Speaker 1: for us here at sky News. The Yugov Organization got
[0:58] Speaker 1: it bang on right at the twenty twenty five election.
[1:02] Speaker 1: They were able to see when the Liberal Party was
[1:03] Speaker 1: in front at the end of twenty twenty four and
[1:06] Speaker 1: they watch that change happen throughout the election. So we
[1:08] Speaker 1: trust their numbers. This is a threshold that Peter Dudden
[1:12] Speaker 1: and the Liberal Party never got to before the last election,
[1:15] Speaker 1: even when they were leading, half of all voters say
[1:19] Speaker 1: that they are ready to govern. Now thirty three percent
[1:22] Speaker 1: of people say by the time of the election in
[1:24] Speaker 1: two years time they will be ready to govern. You
[1:27] Speaker 1: put that together, it's eight out of ten. Now, this
[1:30] Speaker 1: is even people who aren't planning to vote for them.
[1:33] Speaker 1: They believe that one Nation would be able to form government.
[1:38] Speaker 1: Let's have a look at the primary numbers. Here the
[1:40] Speaker 1: primary vote, which again tells us the story about one
[1:43] Speaker 1: nation and one nation's growth. They are now at twenty
[1:47] Speaker 1: eight percent, still in front of Labor, still in front
[1:50] Speaker 1: of the Coalition, who is up slightly, one nation down slightly,
[1:53] Speaker 1: but again one percent here or there is essentially statistical noise.
[1:56] Speaker 1: So we are in a holding position of where we
[1:59] Speaker 1: had been the past couple of weeks, which has reflected
[2:02] Speaker 1: the change over the past few months. Let's break this
[2:05] Speaker 1: down because gender, we're always told is a massive factor
[2:08] Speaker 1: in Australian politics. Well, when it comes to the blokes,
[2:10] Speaker 1: number one political party in the country is One Nation.
[2:14] Speaker 1: You put it together with the Coalition, they're in a
[2:16] Speaker 1: pretty good place when it comes to preferences. But Labor,
[2:19] Speaker 1: they'd be happy enough with that number that they, while Yes,
[2:22] Speaker 1: are still running second, they are only doing so by
[2:24] Speaker 1: one point, and one point is rounding errors. Right now,
[2:27] Speaker 1: what about females, surely they are leaning left, They'll say
[2:30] Speaker 1: no in fact number one, and by an even bigger margin.
[2:34] Speaker 1: For one nation, female voters twenty nine percent to Labour's
[2:38] Speaker 1: twenty five coalition of twenty two. Now, obviously preferences are
[2:41] Speaker 1: what help. When it comes to the Greens plus Labor,
[2:44] Speaker 1: Independent plus Labor, there's an even deeper dive. I can
[2:48] Speaker 1: go in here to the people who declare themselves as
[2:50] Speaker 1: being well off, middle class or the working class. Supposedly
[2:55] Speaker 1: the Labor Party is their champion. No, not. According to
[2:57] Speaker 1: these polls, a third of the country first preference mode
[3:01] Speaker 1: for one nation that is eleven points higher than the
[3:04] Speaker 1: governing party, eleven points higher than where the Labor Party
[3:08] Speaker 1: is right now, it is effectively double where the coalition is,
[3:11] Speaker 1: showing their work to be done. Green's and Independent of
[3:14] Speaker 1: course way behind there. When it comes to the middle class,
[3:18] Speaker 1: of course, the people that are paying off those mortgages,
[3:21] Speaker 1: those gen X people that we've talked about so much. Again,
[3:23] Speaker 1: one nation is not in front here. In fact, this
[3:26] Speaker 1: is the best point for the Labor Party is that
[3:28] Speaker 1: with middle class Australia, thirty percent voting for the Labor Party,
[3:32] Speaker 1: once you assume Green's preferences, then they can get them
[3:35] Speaker 1: to basically fifty percent with the middle class. That is
[3:39] Speaker 1: the hope for the Labor Party that the bleeding has ended,
[3:42] Speaker 1: or at least they're starting to bottom out. We'll all
[3:44] Speaker 1: find out together. What about this though, who was the
[3:47] Speaker 1: political choice of well off It is one nation, one nation,
[3:53] Speaker 1: thirty two percent of people backing them in Labour at
[3:55] Speaker 1: twenty nine, the Coalition at twenty and the Greens at
[3:58] Speaker 1: eleven percent, So incredible numbers when it comes to men, women,
[4:02] Speaker 1: working class, well off. About how things have changed so
[4:06] Speaker 1: profoundly in Australian politics. Also worth looking at here too
[4:11] Speaker 1: is the performance of the Prime Minister himself. Well, unsurprisingly
[4:14] Speaker 1: his numbers will they remain dire Six in ten, six
[4:19] Speaker 1: in ten of all voters dissatisfied with the performance of
[4:22] Speaker 1: the Prime minister. This has been the case for a
[4:25] Speaker 1: long time. This is where it was after BONDI, This
[4:28] Speaker 1: is where it was after the Voice, This is where
[4:30] Speaker 1: it is after the budget. Again, we can split that
[4:34] Speaker 1: down for you about male and female working class and others.
[4:37] Speaker 1: Let's have a look here. When it comes to men,
[4:39] Speaker 1: fifty seven percent dissatisfied. But guess who's angry at at
[4:43] Speaker 1: the Prime minister? Well, it would be female voters because
[4:47] Speaker 1: their number goes from fifty seven up to sixty two.
[4:50] Speaker 1: So primary vote number one with women one nation dissatisfied
[4:55] Speaker 1: prime minister. Higher number when it comes to what has
[4:58] Speaker 1: been happening with him? What about the class issues? Sixty
[5:02] Speaker 1: five percent of people who are in the working class
[5:05] Speaker 1: supposedly where this bloke came from. But that is a
[5:08] Speaker 1: long way in the rear vision mirror because while the
[5:11] Speaker 1: story might be housing commission as a kid, the future
[5:14] Speaker 1: is on a cliff top on Copacabana. Sixty five percent
[5:18] Speaker 1: dissatisfied with the Prime minister's performance. Again into the middle class,
[5:23] Speaker 1: now that middle part of Australia, those numbers dissatisfied again
[5:27] Speaker 1: lower than the overall average of sixty percent, but fifty five.
[5:31] Speaker 1: As for those that are well off, well, how do
[5:34] Speaker 1: they feel? Unsurprisingly, they're happy with the Prime minister. So
[5:37] Speaker 1: how's this? Well off voters are the best place for
[5:41] Speaker 1: the Prime minister right now because they can dare I
[5:44] Speaker 1: say recognize their own. Now, as always, we like to
[5:48] Speaker 1: ask issues based questions, and this one is around one
[5:51] Speaker 1: nation's policy when it comes to the ABC. Now, the
[5:55] Speaker 1: one nation policy is the ABC no longer be funded
[5:57] Speaker 1: by the taxpayer. Instead it would be funded by subscriptions. Well,
[6:02] Speaker 1: how do people feel about that idea? Well, I can
[6:05] Speaker 1: tell you that forty eight percent of people they agree
[6:09] Speaker 1: that it should become a subscription service and they wouldn't
[6:12] Speaker 1: sign up forty eight percent if it was. Of those
[6:16] Speaker 1: who say they hate the idea, forty five percent, there
[6:19] Speaker 1: are people who say, yet, turn it into a subscription
[6:22] Speaker 1: model and I would pay for it. So again, I
[6:25] Speaker 1: look forward to the reaction that is inevitably going to
[6:27] Speaker 1: happen there. But of course the story is always the
[6:29] Speaker 1: ABC and Regional Australia right. Well wrong Again, We've got
[6:33] Speaker 1: the data these people were right and the last federal elections,
[6:36] Speaker 1: So you're going to trust where they are right now? Yes,
[6:39] Speaker 1: and won't subscribe? I e. Make it a subscription service
[6:42] Speaker 1: and I won't pay for it. Rural rural people at
[6:46] Speaker 1: forty nine percent, provincial areas at fifty eight percent, out
[6:51] Speaker 1: of metro at forty eight percent percent. The city, well
[6:54] Speaker 1: fifty one percent of them they opposed the idea, and unsurprisingly,
[6:58] Speaker 1: the ABC, according to these numbers, most loved by those
[7:01] Speaker 1: who live closest to their HQ, which of course is
[7:03] Speaker 1: about as far away from the bush as possible. All Right,
[7:07] Speaker 1: one more for you before we are done here, and
[7:10] Speaker 1: that is that we will be talking a lot about
[7:13] Speaker 1: Pauline Hanson One Nation and what leads forward to in
[7:16] Speaker 1: the next couple of days, particularly when it comes to
[7:18] Speaker 1: her at the National Press Club. But here's the reaction
[7:20] Speaker 1: to the polls that it had again had One Nation
[7:22] Speaker 1: on top and leading with both men and women. Look,
[7:28] Speaker 1: I'm hearing all time. People have just sped up.
[7:30] Speaker 2: They've had a gutfull of it.
[7:31] Speaker 1: They want change in this country. It's not the country
[7:34] Speaker 1: that they grew up in it.
[7:35] Speaker 3: I think what you're seeing reflected in the polls is
[7:38] Speaker 3: people's hostility towards the budget, their anger at having been
[7:43] Speaker 3: light to at the last election and having these broken promises.
[7:46] Speaker 4: I think that poll is it doesn't look great for
[7:49] Speaker 4: the coalition. I don't think anyone's pretending that it does.
[7:52] Speaker 4: But what it does do is it is sending a
[7:54] Speaker 4: very strong message that Australians are fed up with both
[7:58] Speaker 4: major parties and they're up with the status quo.
[8:07] Speaker 1: But eight things didn't get worse for them today. That's
[8:09] Speaker 1: the best thing you can say when it comes to
[8:11] Speaker 1: interest rates. But remember everything that was given back in
[8:15] Speaker 1: the form of interest rate reductions in twenty twenty five
[8:18] Speaker 1: blown away by interest rate rises in twenty twenty six.
[8:21] Speaker 1: They had a chance to do it again today but didn't.
[8:25] Speaker 5: After three consecutive hikes, It's resisted, forcing loan repayments up again,
[8:31] Speaker 5: keeping its official cash rate at four point three five
[8:34] Speaker 5: percent preserved.
[8:35] Speaker 1: Bang voting unanimously to leave the cash rate on hold.
[8:39] Speaker 1: But the paws may not last long.
[8:41] Speaker 6: The IRBA hits pause on painful rate rises, but the
[8:45] Speaker 6: governor says brace for a slow economy now.
[8:49] Speaker 1: So again silver linings in terms of things getting worse.
[8:52] Speaker 1: If those mortgage holders, as I showed you in some
[8:54] Speaker 1: detail over the past couple of days, they were a
[8:56] Speaker 1: group that was turning against the government towards the end
[9:00] Speaker 1: of their first term, but they were able to get
[9:02] Speaker 1: them back principally because of that rateful in February last year.
[9:06] Speaker 1: That group is now moving away from the government and
[9:10] Speaker 1: again the government while they're cheering themselves on because it
[9:14] Speaker 1: didn't get worse. This is a win for them today.
[9:17] Speaker 1: The win is it didn't get worse. Of course, it's
[9:19] Speaker 1: already a binfire and there's so many people in such
[9:22] Speaker 1: tremendous financial pain. Have a look again at that number
[9:25] Speaker 1: we were showing there about the working class. Well, the
[9:29] Speaker 1: Reserve Bank governor made it clear that just because they
[9:32] Speaker 1: didn't do it today, they still could do it maybe
[9:34] Speaker 1: as soon as the middle of the year, being August.
[9:39] Speaker 7: I want to be very clear that inflation remains too high.
[9:42] Speaker 1: All rights still to do with matters of money and
[9:44] Speaker 1: the budget, because the budget that will not die is
[9:48] Speaker 1: well now through the process of a rigorous two day
[9:51] Speaker 1: inquiry rigged by the Labor Party and the Greens, where
[9:56] Speaker 1: most of the people giving evidence, well, they spoke warmly
[9:58] Speaker 1: about the changes that are on their way. But I
[10:01] Speaker 1: don't know if you have ever used the service canvat.
[10:03] Speaker 1: It's an incredible Australian business with global success where you
[10:07] Speaker 1: can build all sorts of stuff for the Internet on canvat.
[10:10] Speaker 1: It's a great way that people are building their sites
[10:13] Speaker 1: and updating things, great graphs, all the rest of it. Well,
[10:16] Speaker 1: the company that is Australian born and bred doing well
[10:20] Speaker 1: around the world. Well, they gave evidence today to the
[10:23] Speaker 1: very committee that they wouldn't exist. They wouldn't have started
[10:27] Speaker 1: the business if the tax changes that are on their
[10:31] Speaker 1: way would have been in place when they started that business.
[10:34] Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and remember how we constantly keep being told here,
[10:38] Speaker 1: we keep being told constantly that all of this is
[10:42] Speaker 1: meant to be helping when it comes to houses. Well,
[10:45] Speaker 1: thankfully the Liberal Party is getting in the fight. They
[10:47] Speaker 1: took the brass knuckles to Breakfast television this morning. I
[10:50] Speaker 1: don't know if you saw Tim Wilson and Amanda Rishworth.
[10:53] Speaker 1: He wants to be the treasurer, she is a member
[10:55] Speaker 1: of the cabinet. Well he left her in an absolute puddle.
[11:00] Speaker 1: Well done Tim Wilson, and well done for not backing down.
[11:03] Speaker 1: This is how you get people's attention, especially when there's
[11:06] Speaker 1: a professional BS artist talking.
[11:09] Speaker 8: There's a point in which austras this just didn't give
[11:12] Speaker 8: it to people at the last election. That is, it
[11:13] Speaker 8: didn't give it to people at the last election. You
[11:16] Speaker 8: lied before the Estaiti people for the last election. You
[11:19] Speaker 8: now through the pub and what restraints get to have
[11:25] Speaker 8: their say.
[11:27] Speaker 1: Let them fight, let them fight, And in terms of
[11:31] Speaker 1: well being able to get a catching message, being able
[11:33] Speaker 1: to break through the noise, being able to stand out,
[11:36] Speaker 1: I think this might be the line of the day.
[11:38] Speaker 8: Amanda needs to get a breath, Lieser. I mean, this
[11:41] Speaker 8: is just a we need a reality check on what's happened.
[11:45] Speaker 1: Now. Remember all of the changes when it comes to
[11:47] Speaker 1: the budget now more than a month in place, despite
[11:50] Speaker 1: the fact that the focus is about what you can inherit,
[11:53] Speaker 1: what you can hand down to your kids, and how
[11:55] Speaker 1: much the government takes if you build a small business
[11:58] Speaker 1: into a business like a can known well around the
[12:01] Speaker 1: country or around the world, or even just bigger than
[12:03] Speaker 1: you ever hoped it would be in your particular suburb
[12:07] Speaker 1: or city. But of course the government has pretended that
[12:09] Speaker 1: this all had something to do only with housing.
[12:15] Speaker 9: What we are there is acting hacking in support of aspiration,
[12:20] Speaker 9: acting in support of growing the economy, backing.
[12:23] Speaker 1: In support of housing supply.
[12:25] Speaker 10: The measures in this budget are expected to improve home
[12:29] Speaker 10: ownership and increase the overall supply of housing.
[12:33] Speaker 6: For too long, we've had this broken status quo in
[12:36] Speaker 6: this country, where the intersection of the tax system and
[12:39] Speaker 6: the housing market has locked too many Australians, and particularly
[12:42] Speaker 6: an Australians out of housing, and so we are changing that.
[12:45] Speaker 6: Budget papers have already made it really clear that people
[12:49] Speaker 6: who invest in new builds which genuinely add to supply.
[12:53] Speaker 1: Well, the very person who the Labor Party hired to
[12:56] Speaker 1: be their housings are i e. Somebody on their side
[12:59] Speaker 1: of the fence coming up with the ideas to increase
[13:01] Speaker 1: the amount of housing supply. Has said that the changes
[13:05] Speaker 1: when it comes to the budget are about redistributing wealth,
[13:08] Speaker 1: not really changing the housing supply. The Housing Czar has
[13:13] Speaker 1: told Parliament the gym Charmers tax changes are designed more
[13:16] Speaker 1: to redistribute wealth than increased supply. This is their housing expert.
[13:22] Speaker 1: As supporters of the Abanezer government's budget question the proposed
[13:26] Speaker 1: minimum thirty percent rate on capital gains well, the news
[13:30] Speaker 1: it just keeps on coming and the hits keep on coming.
[13:32] Speaker 1: Well with every poll we get it yet again confirmed
[13:35] Speaker 1: that this budget was dead on arrival, and for some
[13:38] Speaker 1: howe has been able to get worse even being dead
[13:41] Speaker 1: on arrival. With the Australian people, sure they'll shove it
[13:44] Speaker 1: through the Senate, they'll turn it into the law. Well,
[13:46] Speaker 1: then that'll hang over everyone's head like a sword until
[13:49] Speaker 1: July the first of twenty seven, and then the bad
[13:52] Speaker 1: years really kicks in. Well again, I can show you
[13:55] Speaker 1: a big, complicated graphic, but put simply here, having a
[13:59] Speaker 1: look at the budget as a whole. Old you think
[14:00] Speaker 1: it's good or bad for which of the following groups. Now,
[14:03] Speaker 1: I won't get you to keep an eye on all
[14:05] Speaker 1: of that, so let's just get to this year's numbers.
[14:08] Speaker 1: Only twenty three percent say it's good for their household,
[14:10] Speaker 1: twenty nine percent say it's good for the country, twenty
[14:13] Speaker 1: nine say it's good for the economy, twenty three percent
[14:15] Speaker 1: say it's good for older people, and twenty eight percent
[14:18] Speaker 1: of people say that it is that for younger people.
[14:23] Speaker 1: That's the bottom line of all of those particular graphics. Also,
[14:28] Speaker 1: Jim Chalmers as the treasurer, well, he's gone from forty
[14:31] Speaker 1: three percent approval is now down to thirty four percent approval.
[14:35] Speaker 1: If we can change to the next graphic, please, guys,
[14:38] Speaker 1: you'll see there. Yeah, he's gone down and now a
[14:42] Speaker 1: third of the country, just a third of the country
[14:44] Speaker 1: thinking he is doing a good job, Almost four in
[14:48] Speaker 1: ten saying is doing a bad job. And less than
[14:50] Speaker 1: either of those numbers somehow sitting in the middle watch
[14:53] Speaker 1: this space, because it's only getting worse for a government,
[14:57] Speaker 1: they could of course save its own backside by turning
[14:59] Speaker 1: around and making some choices to scrap bad ideas, to
[15:03] Speaker 1: carve out things like small business, and maybe even to
[15:05] Speaker 1: cut that to fuel tax even further. But we'll all
[15:08] Speaker 1: wait and see, because they might think it's all suddenly
[15:11] Speaker 1: going to become climate change again. Why well, some information
[15:16] Speaker 1: that came to us today from the Bureau of Meteorology
[15:18] Speaker 1: will somehow make the Prime Minister happy. Now, yes, it's
[15:20] Speaker 1: a cynical thing to say, but remember one of the
[15:23] Speaker 1: things that helped catapult the Prime Minister into office was
[15:26] Speaker 1: those twenty twenty bush fires, something that was seen as
[15:29] Speaker 1: a visible symbol of a worsening climate. Now, yes, we've
[15:33] Speaker 1: had bushfires before, and we've had worse, but you understand
[15:36] Speaker 1: what the political effect of all of that was. Well,
[15:38] Speaker 1: that's Lenino. That's when things get drier and hotter. And
[15:42] Speaker 1: the ABC today said that Alnino is going to becoming
[15:45] Speaker 1: and it could be the worst ever. It was put
[15:48] Speaker 1: this way at news dot com do Au that it
[15:50] Speaker 1: is going to be the strongest ever that Sky News
[15:55] Speaker 1: Elnino was officially declared by the Bureau of Meteorology today,
[15:58] Speaker 1: sparking fears of some are drought and bushfires for twenty
[16:02] Speaker 1: twenty six twenty seven. Here is hawskin is Weather explained
[16:07] Speaker 1: what might be on the way when it gets hot again.
[16:10] Speaker 9: During al Nino, the Pacific Ocean warms and the usual
[16:13] Speaker 9: easterly winds weaken, meaning less tropical moisture reaches our shores.
[16:19] Speaker 9: Al Nino usually brings drier than normal weather to the
[16:22] Speaker 9: eastern half of Australia in winter and spring, while the
[16:26] Speaker 9: reduced cloud and rain often allows daytime temperatures to climb
[16:29] Speaker 9: higher than normal through the second half of the year
[16:32] Speaker 9: in the south and the center. Al Ninho can play
[16:36] Speaker 9: a role in causing drought to develop or increasing bushfire risk,
[16:40] Speaker 9: but usually we require a longer s bell than just
[16:44] Speaker 9: one al Nino to drive those events.
[16:47] Speaker 1: All right, wall watch NC. All right back to pol
[16:49] Speaker 1: Enhanson here, because tomorrow is going to be a very
[16:53] Speaker 1: big day now. She of course is leading in the
[16:56] Speaker 1: polls currently the preferred prime minister in some of those
[16:59] Speaker 1: aparion polls. Tomorrow is going to be the state of
[17:03] Speaker 1: origin as well, and why do these two things have
[17:06] Speaker 1: something in common? Because, as you know, Fire the Lie's
[17:09] Speaker 1: got four point four million dollars, and part of that
[17:13] Speaker 1: money is going to be spent putting this ad on
[17:16] Speaker 1: television when millions of people are watching the footy.
[17:21] Speaker 10: Always been a man of my word, or we have
[17:23] Speaker 10: no plans to change negative gearing, or we've changed our position.
[17:27] Speaker 10: I stepped back one step, I didn't fall off the stage.
[17:31] Speaker 10: See reception was incredibly positive and not a single person
[17:35] Speaker 10: Heckle reducing power prices by two hundred and seventy five dollars.
[17:39] Speaker 11: That's a four out life.
[17:40] Speaker 10: My word is my bond.
[17:47] Speaker 1: Fire the Lie four point four million dollars. They hoped,
[17:53] Speaker 1: they hoped for one, They blasted past two, ripped past three,
[17:57] Speaker 1: and are now on the way to four and a
[17:59] Speaker 1: half million dollars, meaning those ads will appear potentially in
[18:03] Speaker 1: game three as well. A reminder, by the way, if
[18:06] Speaker 1: you're into the foot he cares, I'll tell you what happens.
[18:08] Speaker 1: Make sure you're here tomorrow night. If not, make sure
[18:10] Speaker 1: you get the podcast or get the details by a
[18:13] Speaker 1: skynews dot com dot au. But the other reason tomorrow
[18:16] Speaker 1: is going to be a big day is because Paulin
[18:19] Speaker 1: Hansen is going to be addressing the National Press Club.
[18:21] Speaker 1: The opportunity to go toe to toe ida way with
[18:24] Speaker 1: a group of people who have often frankly ignored one nation.
[18:28] Speaker 1: They don't put them in their stories, they don't interview
[18:30] Speaker 1: them on their programs. Well, tomorrow twelve thirty you'll see
[18:32] Speaker 1: it live. She'll give half an hour of speech, half
[18:35] Speaker 1: an hour of question and answer. Oh, and they've been
[18:37] Speaker 1: sharpening the pencil there in the press gallery about the
[18:40] Speaker 1: gotcha questions. They know doub will have their versions of
[18:43] Speaker 1: the John Houston take questions on this day if this matters,
[18:47] Speaker 1: and as if they knew that off the top of
[18:49] Speaker 1: their head and they didn't have to google all the questions. Oh,
[18:51] Speaker 1: there will be people trying to find wrongins and confronting
[18:54] Speaker 1: her about all sorts of things. I mean, this is
[18:56] Speaker 1: just a taste of stories in the past. What couple
[18:58] Speaker 1: of days. Apparently they will be asking questions like, hey,
[19:03] Speaker 1: you know that guy who scored a goal of the
[19:05] Speaker 1: soccer rus he's a refugee. Would you let him into
[19:07] Speaker 1: the country under your policies? Would he be left out
[19:09] Speaker 1: of the country. Oh, they'll get her with that one,
[19:12] Speaker 1: won't they please? Of course one nation doing particularly well
[19:17] Speaker 1: in the Victorian polls. How is this allowed? Surely this
[19:20] Speaker 1: is just a mirage, isn't it. They'll of course inevitably
[19:24] Speaker 1: be the questions about preferences. This is the most boring
[19:27] Speaker 1: conversation because there's no election for two years time. And yes,
[19:30] Speaker 1: of course they'll preference each other. But they'll probably do
[19:33] Speaker 1: what they did in the South Australian election, which will
[19:35] Speaker 1: say it's up to you just vote for us one.
[19:38] Speaker 1: And then of course somebody will come up and do
[19:39] Speaker 1: the you're the Aussie trump right now, I am very
[19:42] Speaker 1: confident that Paul and Hansen will find new ways of batting,
[19:46] Speaker 1: batting away, laughing, all the rest of it. But I
[19:49] Speaker 1: can almost guarantee here, I can almost see into the future.
[19:53] Speaker 1: The Guardian will say something to the effect of an
[19:57] Speaker 1: hour with Prime Minister Hanson frightening vision of our future.
[20:03] Speaker 1: The Sydney Morning Herald will somehow say the soccer use
[20:07] Speaker 1: there'll be some connection there because that's sort of the
[20:09] Speaker 1: hot story of the day, right, or somehow they'll find
[20:13] Speaker 1: some ways to say despite being Australia's only female political leader,
[20:17] Speaker 1: clearly the misogyny was dripped. You know, you can see
[20:20] Speaker 1: all the pieces that are going to be there, trumpy
[20:22] Speaker 1: and a foreign policy. But I make this prediction Pauline
[20:28] Speaker 1: Hansen will only be stronger after her appearance at the
[20:32] Speaker 1: National Press Club. Perhaps not with the people in the
[20:34] Speaker 1: Press Club because they have never considered her to be strong.
[20:37] Speaker 1: They've only considered her appearance in the Parliament to be
[20:40] Speaker 1: a fluke of the system. The spreading of multiple senators
[20:45] Speaker 1: in multiple states, again to some dissatisfaction. The surprise, as
[20:49] Speaker 1: they called it in South Australia, is only surprised because
[20:52] Speaker 1: they weren't paying attention the polling numbers in Victoria, the fire,
[20:56] Speaker 1: the liar, it's all just a mirage, right, wait, watch
[21:01] Speaker 1: and see. Because even if tomorrow, for whatever reason, is
[21:04] Speaker 1: the disaster of the media will declare it to be.
[21:07] Speaker 1: If millions of people are going to see an ad
[21:10] Speaker 1: that you raised money and had millions of dollars left
[21:13] Speaker 1: over to put during one of the biggest sporting contests
[21:16] Speaker 1: in the country, then more people will see that than
[21:20] Speaker 1: see the six pm news or read any of the
[21:22] Speaker 1: hot takes that are going to be around as a
[21:25] Speaker 1: result of the appearance Tomorrow at the National Press Club.
[21:27] Speaker 1: You can watch it live twelve thirty here on Sky News.
[21:32] Speaker 1: Now I mentioned Victoria because of course there is that election.
[21:35] Speaker 1: It is coming its way when it comes to November,
[21:39] Speaker 1: and most likely just cinder around the remains as the
[21:42] Speaker 1: Labor leader. There was a chance of something happening this week,
[21:44] Speaker 1: but the Deputy Premiere, well he kind of put the bed,
[21:47] Speaker 1: didn't he by declaring support as he did. This week
[21:51] Speaker 1: was considered to be the week where the leader, whose
[21:54] Speaker 1: numbers are just appalling, would have been swept from history.
[21:57] Speaker 1: But that means she would be the one who's going
[21:59] Speaker 1: to be fighting. And she's made it very clear that
[22:02] Speaker 1: work from home is going to be the wedge. This
[22:06] Speaker 1: is going to be the wedge that she is going
[22:07] Speaker 1: to use to try to distract the people of Victoria
[22:11] Speaker 1: from the reality of the government, the reality of the
[22:15] Speaker 1: Andrews time, the reality of the Allen time. Forget the crime,
[22:20] Speaker 1: forget the soft corruption, forget the white noise, forget even
[22:25] Speaker 1: the Commonwealth games. No, they're going to of course put
[22:29] Speaker 1: this new law in which is going to give you
[22:31] Speaker 1: a legal right to be able to work from home.
[22:34] Speaker 1: And that'll of course mean anyone who thinks anything other
[22:38] Speaker 1: than the right to work from home should be something
[22:40] Speaker 1: you can do for seven days a week. Well, somehow,
[22:42] Speaker 1: you are just heartless. What a way to change the subject.
[22:45] Speaker 1: All of it kicks in for September, just in time
[22:48] Speaker 1: for the election. Of course, when it comes to changing
[22:51] Speaker 1: the powers of the corruption bodies that she cut the
[22:54] Speaker 1: funding for, we have to wait because we're too busy.
[22:57] Speaker 1: We will do that after the election. But we have
[22:59] Speaker 1: got to do work from home thing before the election. Geez,
[23:02] Speaker 1: I wonder why a struggling politician would want to say this.
[23:08] Speaker 7: We're introducing new laws to Parliament today to protect your
[23:11] Speaker 7: right to work from home, and we're making your right
[23:14] Speaker 7: to work from home for two days a week findshrining
[23:17] Speaker 7: it in the Equal Opportunity Act. We're doing this because
[23:20] Speaker 7: working from home works for families, saving families time, saving
[23:24] Speaker 7: families money.
[23:27] Speaker 1: Not so subtle that she was, of course in all
[23:28] Speaker 1: white today, just in case she did end up losing
[23:30] Speaker 1: a job, and you'll know that she'd be able to
[23:34] Speaker 1: play on all of the secret messages being sent. If
[23:38] Speaker 1: she is no longer the premier. It is now up
[23:39] Speaker 1: to the people of Victoria. May they not be fooled?
[23:42] Speaker 1: By the tricks. May they not be bought off by
[23:44] Speaker 1: the bribes again. We'll all wait, watch and see. You
[23:47] Speaker 1: have seen what it is like to live in Victoria.
[23:49] Speaker 1: It is up to you. I've wanted it to change
[23:51] Speaker 1: for a long time. There are so many green shoots,
[23:54] Speaker 1: but you've got to turn it into reality. Let's see
[23:56] Speaker 1: what happens, and let's make sure they don't change the subject.
[23:59] Speaker 1: Remember the pain of what happens after an election and
[24:02] Speaker 1: the year after that, and the year after that, and
[24:03] Speaker 1: the year after that and the year after that, not
[24:06] Speaker 1: the sugar hitting the change of subject last week or
[24:08] Speaker 1: last month before and election. A reminder, I'm on my
[24:12] Speaker 1: way to the Northern Territory for our next ourtown. If
[24:14] Speaker 1: you'd like to join us in Darwin, please join us.
[24:17] Speaker 1: It is going to be on Sunday, the twenty eighth
[24:19] Speaker 1: of June. The email is pretty simple. Ourtown at skyews
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[24:30] Speaker 1: But if you can get there, what a time. Imagine
[24:32] Speaker 1: if you can get there this weekend supercars this weekend.
[24:35] Speaker 1: Where there the next weekend. Then it's cracking night the
[24:37] Speaker 1: week after. So if you've got a couple of weeks,
[24:39] Speaker 1: get to the territory. If you're in the territory, Sunday,
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[24:49] Speaker 1: And before we get to the debate, this evening our
[24:51] Speaker 1: nightly celebration or commiseration frustration. You, of course work hard.
[24:56] Speaker 1: You have to pay your taxes. The taxes go to
[24:58] Speaker 1: the politicians to write the laws to make things harder
[25:00] Speaker 1: for you, and we pay for the staff to make
[25:03] Speaker 1: bad social media videos like this one from a Green
[25:06] Speaker 1: senator This labor MP and coffee and whatever this is.
[25:39] Speaker 1: Don't you love working hard? So they can just take
[25:42] Speaker 1: the piss all day every day. Yeah me neither. Quick
[25:46] Speaker 1: breakback with more, we'll get into the debate. The scening,
[25:48] Speaker 1: including reaction to the sky News pulse and that incredible
[25:50] Speaker 1: number that more than half the country believes one nation
[25:53] Speaker 1: is ready to govern the country. Now it'll get up
[25:56] Speaker 1: to eighty three percent by the time of the election.
[25:59] Speaker 1: According to the News pulse, and a whole lot more.
[26:01] Speaker 1: Nigel Farage as well. We are just getting started. You're
[26:04] Speaker 1: in exactly the right place there because you're watching Paul
[26:06] Speaker 1: Murray life. Let's get straight to it. Freshly elected to
[26:13] Speaker 1: the Upper House, of course, from the real world, but
[26:16] Speaker 1: now he's in politics. Not only Carlos Quaremba from One
[26:19] Speaker 1: Nation in South Australia, loved to see your mate Linda
[26:22] Speaker 1: Scott is in the free world but still has a
[26:23] Speaker 1: political beating heart and it is labor. She joins us
[26:25] Speaker 1: in the man cave. All right, Carlos. Your reaction to
[26:28] Speaker 1: that Sky News pulse and particularly that number that at
[26:32] Speaker 1: least half the country now says one nation is ready
[26:34] Speaker 1: to govern if there was an election now, that can
[26:36] Speaker 1: grow to eighty three percent of the country in the
[26:39] Speaker 1: next two years. How do you feel now?
[26:43] Speaker 2: It feels great, Paul. I think maybe people are seeing
[26:46] Speaker 2: what the One Nation is doing. Inessa, you know, average
[26:48] Speaker 2: people in parliament and I just come in from Parliament
[26:51] Speaker 2: actually burning the candle to both ends at the moment,
[26:53] Speaker 2: getting up to speed. But we're ready to govern because
[26:56] Speaker 2: we just want to get our country back and we
[26:58] Speaker 2: want real people in Parliament. That's what One Nation's about.
[27:01] Speaker 1: Now again we partner with you gov. They're the ones
[27:03] Speaker 1: who do the data on all of this, Linda. They
[27:06] Speaker 1: did the same question around the Liberal Party at the
[27:08] Speaker 1: last election and they did not have numbers anywhere like this.
[27:11] Speaker 1: In fact, sixty percent of people at the time said
[27:13] Speaker 1: that the Liberal Party wasn't fit to govern. This is
[27:16] Speaker 1: another layer of information on top of the story we
[27:19] Speaker 1: have already heard, but this one is one that for
[27:22] Speaker 1: the establishment is particularly concerning that what they think are
[27:26] Speaker 1: the thresholds people haven't got to yet. This poll would
[27:29] Speaker 1: tell us they have got there. Yeah.
[27:31] Speaker 11: Well, look, I'm obviously involved in the Labor Party, but
[27:33] Speaker 11: I think if you're involved in any of the three
[27:36] Speaker 11: conservative opposition parties in the moment, you know, Liberals, Nationals
[27:40] Speaker 11: or One Nation, there are some existential questions facing some
[27:44] Speaker 11: of the members of those parties and some of the
[27:46] Speaker 11: elected representatives of those parties, and that is a really
[27:50] Speaker 11: major shift. I mean, whether Carlos will you know, continue
[27:53] Speaker 11: to see a growing presence in One Nation. The polling
[27:57] Speaker 11: tends to tell us that that might be the case.
[27:59] Speaker 11: But like we saw in the lead up to the
[28:02] Speaker 11: last federal election, where I think there was a time, Paul,
[28:04] Speaker 11: you know, where Peter Dutton was actually leading the nation
[28:07] Speaker 11: in many of the national polls, but then suffered one
[28:10] Speaker 11: of the worst defeats we have seen for Liberal Party
[28:13] Speaker 11: in Australia. So polling does change, but I do think
[28:16] Speaker 11: we have to acknowledge there's a fundamental shift. The three
[28:20] Speaker 11: large now conservative parties in Australia are really jostling for
[28:25] Speaker 11: power in a way that's going to be very interesting
[28:28] Speaker 11: as we come into state territory and then of course
[28:30] Speaker 11: the next federal election.
[28:32] Speaker 1: Well, and again that's why I always talk about the
[28:35] Speaker 1: end of twenty twenty four the start of twenty twenty five,
[28:38] Speaker 1: because exactly as Linda says, that there was a clear
[28:42] Speaker 1: trajectory that was on its way and then the Labor
[28:44] Speaker 1: Party was able to turn that around. And of course
[28:47] Speaker 1: fundamental in all of that was that February rate cut.
[28:50] Speaker 1: So things can change, can change quickly. I'm making the
[28:53] Speaker 1: point very clearly that these things, yes for summer ideological yes,
[28:58] Speaker 1: are about rejections of systems, but all also about the economy, right,
[29:02] Speaker 1: and the economy is in a wall of pain, and
[29:04] Speaker 1: the budget is in a world of hurt. Politically. But again, Carlos,
[29:08] Speaker 1: when the number one choice of working class voters, it's
[29:11] Speaker 1: not the labor Party, it's not the bloke you know
[29:13] Speaker 1: with the story from way back when. It is the
[29:16] Speaker 1: people who you've worked with, of course in and around
[29:19] Speaker 1: your industries, literally hands dirty on a work site. Thirty
[29:22] Speaker 1: three percent of the working class they're backing in one nation. Again,
[29:26] Speaker 1: these are numbers that the Liberal Party didn't have when
[29:29] Speaker 1: it was in the surge towards the end of last year.
[29:32] Speaker 1: So you are coming at it from a different direction,
[29:35] Speaker 1: and that working class vote, you'd have to say, is
[29:38] Speaker 1: the one that is probably going to stick a little
[29:41] Speaker 1: longer than some of the other demographics.
[29:44] Speaker 2: Yeah, Paul, I think what we've got to remember is
[29:47] Speaker 2: the working class or the backbone of this country, and
[29:50] Speaker 2: they've been forgotten for too long. And we get platitudes
[29:52] Speaker 2: from both parties that, you know, the forgotten people and
[29:55] Speaker 2: all the rest of it. Look, I've got a million
[29:57] Speaker 2: and one things I should be doing. You know, I
[29:59] Speaker 2: love a love fishing, But right now, this is the
[30:02] Speaker 2: only opportunity we've got to take our country back, and
[30:04] Speaker 2: it's important for people to get rid of the apathy
[30:07] Speaker 2: and actually get involved, and people like myself can be
[30:10] Speaker 2: in parliament. I can tell you my time in parliament.
[30:12] Speaker 1: Now.
[30:13] Speaker 2: I'm just shaking my head at some of the nonsense
[30:15] Speaker 2: I see, and I now know why we waste the
[30:17] Speaker 2: money we do. And now we're going to take a
[30:19] Speaker 2: wrecking ball to what is what they consider to be
[30:22] Speaker 2: the way we operate. We need change and we need
[30:25] Speaker 2: it now.
[30:26] Speaker 1: Now again, Linda, when the question of say you know
[30:29] Speaker 1: what direction is the country heading? Isn't the right or wrong? Okay?
[30:33] Speaker 1: Obviously about six out of ten right now say that
[30:36] Speaker 1: it's in the wrong direction. Now inside that you never
[30:39] Speaker 1: really know? Well, hang on, is that people who think
[30:41] Speaker 1: we've gone too far left or we've gone too far right?
[30:43] Speaker 1: Is that a want for this type of populism or
[30:47] Speaker 1: Green revolution? Well, I think the indicator about the strength
[30:52] Speaker 1: for one nation as opposed to sort of left wing
[30:56] Speaker 1: populism is that working class number there with the Greens.
[30:59] Speaker 1: You see, the Green aren't even half of where one
[31:02] Speaker 1: nation is. So that's again a little sign here, further
[31:06] Speaker 1: signposting about which way people are going. And again it
[31:09] Speaker 1: all feeds back into the budget. The budget of course,
[31:11] Speaker 1: will end up becoming law because the Greens said that
[31:14] Speaker 1: they will effectively support it. They want it to go further.
[31:18] Speaker 1: They basically want everyone with negative gearing right now to
[31:21] Speaker 1: lose it. They don't want the grandfather ring. So essentially,
[31:25] Speaker 1: if the halfway point is you get the grandfather ring,
[31:27] Speaker 1: but you get the change. That's why I suggest that
[31:30] Speaker 1: SING is going to become law. But how many polls,
[31:32] Speaker 1: how many organizations, how many stories, how many times can
[31:35] Speaker 1: we hear that only about a third of the country
[31:38] Speaker 1: seems to like what the government is planning to do.
[31:41] Speaker 11: Yeah, well, look, if you get me on the Greens,
[31:43] Speaker 11: I will never stop, as you know. But I mean,
[31:45] Speaker 11: I think people have seen Greens in Parliament and they've
[31:47] Speaker 11: seen them contradict themselves and vote against legislation they said
[31:52] Speaker 11: they believed in. And so obviously at the last election,
[31:54] Speaker 11: you know, they were completely wiped out from every single
[31:57] Speaker 11: House of Representative seat. Maybe that will happen to one nation,
[32:02] Speaker 11: maybe it won't, but I think it's understandable when you
[32:05] Speaker 11: look around the world. Polls are showing that people are
[32:09] Speaker 11: fed up with the system and they're frustrated with what
[32:12] Speaker 11: the economy is delivering them. But what's important is that
[32:16] Speaker 11: you get in governments who actually have working class members
[32:19] Speaker 11: as members of their party. Obviously Labor has.
[32:21] Speaker 1: The unions style.
[32:24] Speaker 11: I hope you're a member of a union, Carlos, tell
[32:27] Speaker 11: us if you're not. But this is a problem, isn't it.
[32:31] Speaker 11: You've actually got to be a member of the working
[32:33] Speaker 11: class who stands for the working class, not for the bosses.
[32:36] Speaker 11: So you've got a Carlos going there and get your
[32:39] Speaker 11: leader nationally Pauline Hanson to say that she'd support a
[32:42] Speaker 11: rise in the minimum wage, because she came on this
[32:46] Speaker 11: show and stood up you know, all around the country
[32:48] Speaker 11: last week saying she did not support the rights of
[32:51] Speaker 11: Australia's working class to get a fair pay rise. She
[32:54] Speaker 11: doesn't support in the Parliament time after time laws that
[32:59] Speaker 11: help people with jobs to get a better deal in life.
[33:03] Speaker 11: All does that get a fairer share for every day
[33:07] Speaker 11: working Australian's Carlos and like, this is the problem with
[33:10] Speaker 11: one nation. They don't support the people that are claiming to.
[33:13] Speaker 8: Vote for them.
[33:14] Speaker 1: So Linda's been asking a version of this question for
[33:16] Speaker 1: multiple weeks. It is something that multiple Labor MPs are
[33:19] Speaker 1: now starting to see as the potential vulnerability of one nation.
[33:24] Speaker 1: So again, Carlos, does one nation need to do a
[33:26] Speaker 1: better job of turning around and saying what it stands
[33:30] Speaker 1: for in the workplace, because it does feel like the
[33:33] Speaker 1: hit that's going to be coming from labor land is
[33:36] Speaker 1: going to be about well, they say one thing and
[33:38] Speaker 1: they vote another way. Tell me about that as a
[33:41] Speaker 1: member of Parliament, about the types of decisions that you've
[33:44] Speaker 1: been able to make that show a commitment to that
[33:46] Speaker 1: working class.
[33:49] Speaker 2: Look, can I just say something as long as my
[33:51] Speaker 2: backside points to the ground, and all the builders that
[33:54] Speaker 2: I know, all the carpenter's trade is they would never
[33:57] Speaker 2: join a union because they've seen the destruction that's under
[34:00] Speaker 2: all of our industries. It's about time we all put
[34:03] Speaker 2: our shoulder to the wheel and turn this country around.
[34:06] Speaker 2: I mean, the productivity is in the toilet, and all
[34:09] Speaker 2: they're talking about is whether it's a half flusher of fool.
[34:11] Speaker 2: Flush enough, everybody's going to get back to work, start
[34:15] Speaker 2: to get in. Seriously, this sort of stuff just grinds
[34:19] Speaker 2: my gears, like no, no enough. Everybody get back, help
[34:23] Speaker 2: Austray get back on track. We all got to do
[34:25] Speaker 2: some of the lifting and stop this nonsense. It's just
[34:29] Speaker 2: the country's going backwards at a rate or nots enough.
[34:32] Speaker 1: I love build a talk. I love build a talk.
[34:34] Speaker 1: Bring it on, bring it on all right? One day,
[34:36] Speaker 1: can you please turn up just for me once? Can
[34:38] Speaker 1: you turn up to the South Australian Parliament in a
[34:40] Speaker 1: pair of your old stubbies and just see what happens.
[34:43] Speaker 1: I would love to see the reaction of some of
[34:46] Speaker 1: the crust. He's up there, all right, now, do just
[34:49] Speaker 1: sit around. I think this is going to mean again.
[34:51] Speaker 1: I know how terrible that government is. You know how
[34:53] Speaker 1: terrible it is. But I think the work from home
[34:55] Speaker 1: stuff is potent, is politically smart, is not necessarily great
[35:01] Speaker 1: when it comes to economies and all the rest of
[35:02] Speaker 1: it here. But let's be really honest. Most people hate
[35:06] Speaker 1: their job. So the idea about being able to stay
[35:08] Speaker 1: at home for all of the reasons they're going to
[35:10] Speaker 1: be able to say is oh, because I don't waste
[35:13] Speaker 1: the time on the travel, and therefore I can spend
[35:14] Speaker 1: more time with my kids, or it can be harder work.
[35:17] Speaker 1: We all know that there is a certain reset that
[35:20] Speaker 1: might come for a government that currently is in a
[35:23] Speaker 1: bit of trouble, but it is not dead, buried, cremated
[35:26] Speaker 1: and guaranteed to be losing. So Linda, we saw, of
[35:29] Speaker 1: course in the federal election campaign, regardless of what the
[35:31] Speaker 1: truth or otherwise was, the issue of work from home
[35:34] Speaker 1: was one that has become quite a lightning rod Jaessinda
[35:38] Speaker 1: Allen clearly sees this as the pakawhacka to her political
[35:42] Speaker 1: fortunes because put it in now kicks in September election
[35:47] Speaker 1: in November. Regardless of what you think of the Victorian government.
[35:52] Speaker 1: Do you think that the fight from work from home
[35:55] Speaker 1: is something that is popular in austru Yeah.
[35:58] Speaker 11: Look, absolutely, most families have designed their work life now
[36:03] Speaker 11: around the working from home arrangements that were put in
[36:05] Speaker 11: place in COVID. And for so many years, so many
[36:09] Speaker 11: of us heard that we couldn't work from home, and
[36:11] Speaker 11: then as soon as COVID started, we all immediately went
[36:14] Speaker 11: home and worked from home. I was the head of
[36:17] Speaker 11: the National Local Government Association, having ministerial meetings from home.
[36:21] Speaker 11: Suddenly we could do everything from home and we could
[36:23] Speaker 11: all pop a lot of out of the day, you know,
[36:27] Speaker 11: we could pop a load of washing on at lunchtime
[36:29] Speaker 11: and just get those practical things done at home and
[36:31] Speaker 11: it was very efficient. Now I think it is a
[36:34] Speaker 11: potent political force because yet again we are seeing all
[36:38] Speaker 11: three of the nation's conservative parties oppose these kinds of
[36:43] Speaker 11: rights at work for normal working Australians. And it's important
[36:47] Speaker 11: for workers and voters to be clear on who's got
[36:50] Speaker 11: their back and the factories only Labour does. Labour has,
[36:54] Speaker 11: as the oldest political party in this country, had their
[36:56] Speaker 11: back of working people and will continue to do so.
[36:59] Speaker 11: But every time someone from one Nation or the Liberals
[37:02] Speaker 11: or the Nationals stands up and attacks unions for fighting
[37:06] Speaker 11: for fair wages or attacks you know, labor governments for
[37:10] Speaker 11: fighting for better conditions for working people, I love the fight.
[37:13] Speaker 1: I just think it's a bit of a swim when
[37:14] Speaker 1: we've got a builder that we're talking about.
[37:17] Speaker 11: As working Australians learn the truth. But like you know,
[37:21] Speaker 11: it's important that people can work from home if they
[37:24] Speaker 11: want to have that right and they've designed their family
[37:27] Speaker 11: life around it. Because Paul, if you can't, like it's logistically.
[37:32] Speaker 1: Difficult, I know why it's all popular. I just I mean,
[37:34] Speaker 1: obviously there's certain industries where you'd love to be able
[37:36] Speaker 1: to do it, but you can't swing a hammer from home.
[37:38] Speaker 1: You can't do all there's so many of those essential
[37:42] Speaker 1: areas where during COVID you had to risk your hells
[37:44] Speaker 1: all the way through. But I want to move on
[37:47] Speaker 1: to two other quick things before we're done here, because
[37:48] Speaker 1: I can see Nigel Farage is about to sit down
[37:50] Speaker 1: for us in London. I don't know how much we
[37:53] Speaker 1: love talking to him as well as talking to you guys, Carlos.
[37:55] Speaker 1: Let's talk about the electoral Commission in South Australia. Now
[37:59] Speaker 1: we're just fresh through a scenario where it was a
[38:02] Speaker 1: world of weird that played out and it's only getting
[38:05] Speaker 1: weirder right now.
[38:08] Speaker 2: Yeah, mate, Look it looks like we can put on
[38:10] Speaker 2: sporting events, but you know, running an election seems something
[38:13] Speaker 2: that's beyond the reach of government and the Electoral Commission.
[38:16] Speaker 2: I mean, what next are we going to stop running,
[38:19] Speaker 2: you know, running budgets because it's too difficult, Like this
[38:22] Speaker 2: is just insane and we're suspending democracy. And I'll tell
[38:25] Speaker 2: you now now I know why Elbow was over speaking
[38:28] Speaker 2: to Keir Starmer and they obviously got the hot tip
[38:30] Speaker 2: from him. Let's just if one nation's rising, we don't
[38:32] Speaker 2: want him in any version of a political spectrum. Let's
[38:35] Speaker 2: just suspend elections. That seems to be the go to Now,
[38:38] Speaker 2: it's just this is nuts.
[38:40] Speaker 1: So we're talking about the head of the Electoral Commission resigning.
[38:44] Speaker 1: What does that speak to about a threat to elections?
[38:49] Speaker 2: Sorry, okay, so yes, the Electoral Commissioner has resigned. But
[38:53] Speaker 2: they also had introduced policy today or legislation today's to
[38:59] Speaker 2: suspend local government elections until April, I think, or November,
[39:03] Speaker 2: April or May. This is just crazy, like it's just
[39:06] Speaker 2: the whole thing is falling to bits and I'm just
[39:09] Speaker 2: trying to work out why it's happening.
[39:10] Speaker 1: No good point right there, you go the people running
[39:12] Speaker 1: the commission. If they're not running the commission, they're not
[39:14] Speaker 1: going to run an election. You can't DeLine now you've
[39:16] Speaker 1: got to go.
[39:16] Speaker 11: We did defer the elections here in New South Wales
[39:19] Speaker 11: during COVID, and we had a Liberal minister request that
[39:22] Speaker 11: of me and I supported it as a labor head
[39:25] Speaker 11: of the Local Government Association, like we've done it before
[39:27] Speaker 11: in Australia. There are so I don't know what's happening
[39:29] Speaker 11: in South Australia. I make no comment on that, but
[39:31] Speaker 11: it's not without precedent.
[39:33] Speaker 1: Right okay, Well, and of course remember in New Zealand
[39:35] Speaker 1: they suspended an election totally at the national level thanks
[39:38] Speaker 1: to COVID when Donald Trump even suggested, and I remember
[39:41] Speaker 1: the detend to the moment, it's always about perspectives here
[39:44] Speaker 1: all right now, Linda, I know you've got plenty to
[39:46] Speaker 1: say about the One Nation website and who's truly running it,
[39:49] Speaker 1: But we're out of time for this week, so save
[39:51] Speaker 1: it up and we'll do it next week. Okay, all right,
[39:54] Speaker 1: thank you very much, Carlos, Thank you, Linda. The great
[39:56] Speaker 1: Nigel Feraji's standing by. We'll talk to him next in London.
[40:04] Speaker 1: It's time for the man who's never foreign. We love
[40:08] Speaker 1: Najer Ferra's leader of the Reform Party, who joins us
[40:11] Speaker 1: right now from the UK, where of course it is
[40:13] Speaker 1: a lovely day. Why because they are still top of
[40:16] Speaker 1: the polls Now. I was thinking about this, you know,
[40:19] Speaker 1: our old mate Donald. Of course, he had UFC at
[40:22] Speaker 1: the White House. Could you promise me, if it was
[40:24] Speaker 1: ever Prime Minister Farrs that there could be darts out
[40:27] Speaker 1: the front of Number ten. I'd love to hear you
[40:30] Speaker 1: calling out one hundred and eighty.
[40:35] Speaker 5: I couldn't agree more. Darts is a wonderful game and
[40:38] Speaker 5: of course it's been reinvigorated now by some new young
[40:41] Speaker 5: stars coming into it. Yeah, I think darts actually, you know,
[40:45] Speaker 5: would all the foreign heads of state come, they should
[40:47] Speaker 5: be given a draft of paint British bear and a
[40:50] Speaker 5: game of darts.
[40:51] Speaker 1: How about that? Correct? Imagine if you end up the
[40:53] Speaker 1: president of the G seven or something, you can go
[40:55] Speaker 1: up to Blackpool, you know, get all the crowd there
[40:57] Speaker 1: on the stage for fire the lights. I'm a thinker, mate,
[41:01] Speaker 1: I'm a thinker here. I reckon, you know, take them
[41:04] Speaker 1: up to Blackpool. It'll be magnificent.
[41:08] Speaker 5: And by the way, by the way, if you get
[41:11] Speaker 5: youngsters playing darts and doing the mental arithmetic counting down
[41:16] Speaker 5: from five oh one, they will go into the world
[41:20] Speaker 5: as adults, completely numerate done being serious. Yeah, I actually
[41:24] Speaker 5: think kids playing darts doing the mental calculations would do
[41:28] Speaker 5: them a power good.
[41:30] Speaker 1: And I've got such precious time. But are you any
[41:32] Speaker 1: good as a dance player? Are you a little bit cheeky?
[41:34] Speaker 1: Can you throw with one and hold the pint in
[41:36] Speaker 1: the other or not quite so?
[41:40] Speaker 5: My eldest son represented his university at darts. And whenever
[41:44] Speaker 5: we have a family get together and the darts come out.
[41:47] Speaker 5: I lose badly, badly, but I love it excellent.
[41:51] Speaker 1: All right, Well may it be a signature should you
[41:54] Speaker 1: make it all the way to number ten. Let's talk
[41:55] Speaker 1: about that process though, because of course we have this
[41:58] Speaker 1: by election which is coming up on the edge of
[42:01] Speaker 1: Greater Manchester, the labor mayor who previously sort of you know,
[42:05] Speaker 1: as Bleary as Blair could be, and then Brown as
[42:08] Speaker 1: Brown could be, and then sort of Stammer as Starmer
[42:10] Speaker 1: could be. Well, he doesn't have a collar on his
[42:12] Speaker 1: shirt anymore, so he's completely different. If he wins this,
[42:15] Speaker 1: he challenges Starmer and effectively is either the audition to
[42:19] Speaker 1: becoming Prime minister or a way to change history before
[42:21] Speaker 1: it begins. What do you think is going to happen
[42:23] Speaker 1: this week? It'll be tight.
[42:28] Speaker 5: I think reform is going to get its biggest by
[42:30] Speaker 5: election percentage score. Whether it's enough is in the lap
[42:34] Speaker 5: of the gods. I do not know. But Burnham has
[42:37] Speaker 5: one big advantage and it's rather like Boris Johnson when
[42:40] Speaker 5: he was Mayor of London. Mayors performed a civic role,
[42:44] Speaker 5: not a political role.
[42:45] Speaker 1: You know.
[42:45] Speaker 5: They cut ribbons, they open new buildings, they do all
[42:48] Speaker 5: the nice stuff and that's the big advantage that Burnham
[42:51] Speaker 5: has got. It's going to be one hell of a contest.
[42:54] Speaker 5: As you say, if Burnham wins, he challenges Starmer pretty
[42:58] Speaker 5: much immediately and the new Prime Minister by September October.
[43:03] Speaker 5: But it won't make any difference because this labor government
[43:05] Speaker 5: two years in are in big trouble.
[43:07] Speaker 1: Whoever leads it well, I mean as we saw this
[43:10] Speaker 1: week right so Defense Secretary goes, clearly, something in the
[43:13] Speaker 1: heart of this government is the problem right now. Yes,
[43:16] Speaker 1: the Prime Minister is the figure here. The Prime Minister
[43:18] Speaker 1: himself makes an endless series of problems, and yes he's
[43:22] Speaker 1: deciding the cabinet. But clearly the shuffling of the dick
[43:25] Speaker 1: chairs there does not really change the trajectory. And many
[43:30] Speaker 1: of those fundamental things that are in the dna of
[43:32] Speaker 1: this government are the reason it is failing.
[43:38] Speaker 5: Twenty four men and women in the British cabinet, not one,
[43:41] Speaker 5: not one has ever formed their own company or worked
[43:46] Speaker 5: in private business. That afterly disconnected as I They keep
[43:49] Speaker 5: doing a series of things that damage entrepreneurship see money
[43:53] Speaker 5: go overseas, see talent leaving this country, and our national
[43:58] Speaker 5: debt is in increasing faster than any country in the
[44:02] Speaker 5: world apart from Botswana.
[44:05] Speaker 1: How about that? Now? I spoke to a dear friend
[44:09] Speaker 1: of ours who has done an interview with you, getting
[44:13] Speaker 1: ready for the tenth anniversary of Brexit, and he was
[44:18] Speaker 1: talking about how you contend that Britain is within ten
[44:24] Speaker 1: years of falling from first world status? Is that what
[44:29] Speaker 1: you feel is the trajectory in front of this great
[44:33] Speaker 1: country that has shaped so much of the world.
[44:39] Speaker 5: Yes, and I fear France is in a very similar position.
[44:41] Speaker 5: Certainly French cities are in a terrible situation. No, we
[44:45] Speaker 5: are really in a dreadful mess. Brexit was an earthquake
[44:49] Speaker 5: in British politics. The aftershocks are still being felt in
[44:53] Speaker 5: both the Labor and Conservative parties, or frankly what's left
[44:58] Speaker 5: of them. And the promises of Brexit, the easy wins
[45:03] Speaker 5: like controlling our borders, the easy wins like getting rid
[45:06] Speaker 5: of excessive bureaucracy and red tape. These are all things
[45:09] Speaker 5: British governments could do with the freedom of Brexit, and
[45:13] Speaker 5: they've chosen not to do it. And so you haven't
[45:17] Speaker 5: just got an economic crisis, haven't just got a social
[45:20] Speaker 5: crisis with sectarianism in voting and running all the way
[45:24] Speaker 5: through our public sector. But you've also got now trust issue.
[45:28] Speaker 5: People don't trust politics, don't trust politicians, and increasingly after
[45:33] Speaker 5: the awful cases, the attempted beheading in Belfast, the horrible
[45:38] Speaker 5: death of that young student in Southampton, people now realize
[45:42] Speaker 5: we're living in two tier Britain. People now realize we
[45:45] Speaker 5: are pleased we apply for jobs and everything we do,
[45:49] Speaker 5: we're now being judged by our ethnicity and some groups
[45:53] Speaker 5: are treated with more favor than others. This is really
[45:58] Speaker 5: really serious. They couldn't be anything more divisive in society,
[46:02] Speaker 5: and it's things like that we've got to put right
[46:04] Speaker 5: one hundred percent.
[46:05] Speaker 1: Ma Dollins. Men. Of course, sir did the interview. That's
[46:07] Speaker 1: who I'm referencing. Of course, used to work with you
[46:09] Speaker 1: with gb News now of course at talk TV now
[46:12] Speaker 1: last one. Here. You look like you're on your way
[46:14] Speaker 1: to get another one of these social media bands. However,
[46:17] Speaker 1: they're planning to go even further than we did in Australia.
[46:20] Speaker 1: You think this is on its way towards the digital idea, It.
[46:26] Speaker 5: Is absolutely and I'm really really worried about this because
[46:29] Speaker 5: it seems to me that we're all going to have
[46:30] Speaker 5: to prove our age and we would tip the wink.
[46:34] Speaker 5: This would mean full facial recognition and going on to
[46:39] Speaker 5: a digital register, and I fear that it is digital
[46:42] Speaker 5: ID via the back door. We all want kids protected.
[46:46] Speaker 5: No one disagrees with that. The question is how we
[46:48] Speaker 5: go about it, and the rest of us shouldn't lose
[46:51] Speaker 5: our libertism freedoms for that well.
[46:53] Speaker 1: Also, unlike Australia, particularly in the big cities in the UK,
[46:58] Speaker 1: is this absolute new of facial recognition that exists through
[47:04] Speaker 1: the prism of security cameras. Right giving government the latest
[47:08] Speaker 1: version of your face is something that can only help
[47:13] Speaker 1: that surveillance state. Right listen.
[47:18] Speaker 5: If it meant our streets were safer, it'd be fantastic,
[47:21] Speaker 5: But it doesn't. The more surveillance we have, the more
[47:24] Speaker 5: knocks at the door twelve thousand last year for what
[47:27] Speaker 5: people say on Facebook or Twitter that others find offensive,
[47:31] Speaker 5: and lawlessness now on the streets of London is at
[47:35] Speaker 5: a level that is unbelievable. So it's one law for
[47:39] Speaker 5: all of us and a tightly restriction in our freedoms
[47:42] Speaker 5: and for the criminal gangs they carry on with impunity
[47:46] Speaker 5: for all the cameras we've got have not made us safer.
[47:50] Speaker 1: They just haven't. Will love your Nigel. Such a privilege
[47:52] Speaker 1: to be able to talk to you each and every week,
[47:53] Speaker 1: and I look forward to that game of darts. How
[47:55] Speaker 1: good are going to be? All right? Thank you mate?
[47:56] Speaker 1: All the best, Nigel Pharaoh to of course, the leader
[48:01] Speaker 1: of the Reform Party in the United Kingdom. Quick break
[48:04] Speaker 1: back with more late debate about five minutes away here
[48:06] Speaker 1: and everything yet is at skynews dot com dot au.
[48:09] Speaker 1: Make sure that's your homepage. Another reminder, our town a
[48:16] Speaker 1: couple of weeks away. Let's fill the room. It's a
[48:18] Speaker 1: pretty big one, which is why I keep mentioning it.
[48:20] Speaker 1: And we are just going to be outside of Darwin.
[48:21] Speaker 1: Embearramer if you can join us, please not emburronment. That's
[48:25] Speaker 1: of course in the Southern Highlands. You get my point.
[48:27] Speaker 1: Sunday twenty eighth June. Sunday twenty eighth June, Ourtown at
[48:30] Speaker 1: skynews dot com dot au. Hey, quickly before we go,
[48:34] Speaker 1: how good to mate. Kyle Sandalans Well, as you know,
[48:37] Speaker 1: they decided to tear up his contract. They were going
[48:39] Speaker 1: to pay him assent. Well, a settlement has apparently now
[48:42] Speaker 1: happened with his former radio bosses. They will keep paying
[48:44] Speaker 1: him five million dollars a year for the next three
[48:46] Speaker 1: years fifteen million dollars. Now, big fella, get behind a microphone.
[48:50] Speaker 1: We miss you.

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