# Paul Murray Live | 23 February

An episode of [Paul Murray Live](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/376966263), 23 Feb 2026, 49 min.

Audio: https://p.podderapp.com/2544644999/traffic.omny.fm/d/clips/2fb3740d-3436-44af-8cc0-a91900716aa5/be3abd48-25e5-45a6-aede-ac2a00524a12/d456c3e2-8d8c-4b14-8b6c-b3fa00bed40a/audio.mp3?utm_source=Podcast&in_playlist=95971714-8fe6-4855-b1fe-ac2a00524a12

MPs can still take partners and children on work trips under new family travel rules. Plus, Pauline Hanson risks jail time over One Nation electoral role. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:00] Speaker 1: From the Scaling Center. This is Paul Murray Live. Thank you, Cherry,
[0:07] Speaker 1: Welcome back into the man Cake Jess. We had a
[0:08] Speaker 1: great weekend in Tazzy. If you can get to Bernie,
[0:11] Speaker 1: do it. I look forward to going back with the family.
[0:13] Speaker 1: It is spectacular. Lots to get to tonight, including this
[0:16] Speaker 1: is going to be a really big week for one nation.
[0:18] Speaker 1: And I'm not just talking about the lead up to
[0:21] Speaker 1: the South Australian election. Again. They were able to get
[0:23] Speaker 1: somebody up for the last election, so that'll be at
[0:26] Speaker 1: least what happens. But there's a bit more little happen
[0:29] Speaker 1: this week that I want to talk about when we
[0:30] Speaker 1: get to that in a second. For all of the
[0:32] Speaker 1: carry on about tariffs that are happening in the United States,
[0:35] Speaker 1: could somebody pay a little attention to the ones we
[0:39] Speaker 1: via This bloke might be willing to charge the rest
[0:41] Speaker 1: of the world. And a former prime minister is starting
[0:45] Speaker 1: to point his own fingers at the former Prince Andrew
[0:48] Speaker 1: about some potential national security issues. Will things get much
[0:53] Speaker 1: much worse for the former Prince. We'll go to the UK,
[0:56] Speaker 1: but first before I get to everything that you have
[0:58] Speaker 1: come to expect from the news today, you remember how
[1:02] Speaker 1: angry you were, and I would bet still are that
[1:06] Speaker 1: no matter how hard you have worked in your life,
[1:08] Speaker 1: or if you're still working, have worked today, that when
[1:11] Speaker 1: the Minister for Freebies, Anika Wells, was caught, there was
[1:15] Speaker 1: nothing to see here. The rules couldn't possibly change when she,
[1:19] Speaker 1: of course as both Minister for Communications meaning media favorite,
[1:23] Speaker 1: but of course Sports Minister, meaning she gets to parade
[1:26] Speaker 1: as if she's an extra member of these teams. You
[1:28] Speaker 1: are paying for the privilege of her being there. We
[1:31] Speaker 1: have had to pay for, as you know, the limousines
[1:35] Speaker 1: out the front waiting hours and hours and hours, because
[1:37] Speaker 1: she's just that damn important. She's a person who has,
[1:41] Speaker 1: in fact so many freebies that she's got tickets on herself.
[1:44] Speaker 1: And there are some who think one day she'll end
[1:45] Speaker 1: up being Prime Minister. Just a little fore worn because
[1:48] Speaker 1: when it comes to the Labor Party you seem to
[1:50] Speaker 1: always fail up, remember old KK, until eventually Die Lee
[1:54] Speaker 1: took what KK thought was her inevitable spot in the
[1:57] Speaker 1: Lower House on their way to being Prime Minister, Governor
[2:00] Speaker 1: and then Pope. You remember that the Prime Minister said,
[2:03] Speaker 1: we couldn't possibly change the rules because it's an independent body,
[2:07] Speaker 1: and then they announced a change to the rules in
[2:11] Speaker 1: terms of the behavior of the minister. Guess what, she
[2:13] Speaker 1: didn't actually have to go to all of the sport
[2:16] Speaker 1: that she had gone to previously. In fact, she had
[2:18] Speaker 1: what a summer of no sports. She's incredible. But even
[2:21] Speaker 1: then they changed the rules, and as I told you,
[2:23] Speaker 1: there's no real change to the rules because they're still
[2:26] Speaker 1: able to take their spouses, they are still able to
[2:30] Speaker 1: fly around, but some of the family might be an
[2:33] Speaker 1: economy class. Now why am I bringing all this up again,
[2:36] Speaker 1: Because despite how angry Australians were at very obviously the
[2:44] Speaker 1: non essential travel of a politician who was in many
[2:48] Speaker 1: ways doing it for her own ego, I want to
[2:51] Speaker 1: say to you a story about how the Prime Minister
[2:56] Speaker 1: and his ministers had their own version of the Minister
[2:59] Speaker 1: for Freebies experience when just as the Minister for Freebies
[3:05] Speaker 1: in previous times had had important work to do that
[3:08] Speaker 1: just happened to coincide with when she was in Melbourne
[3:11] Speaker 1: for the Melbourne Cup. There was a meeting of federal
[3:15] Speaker 1: ministers in Melbourne late last week. What happened during the
[3:20] Speaker 1: day was the meeting. What happened at night was a
[3:25] Speaker 1: party fundraiser. Now, according to the Financial Review, the Prime
[3:32] Speaker 1: Minister and his ministry schmoozed with the c suite, elite
[3:37] Speaker 1: and lobbying class at the RITZ Carlton on Thursday, where
[3:41] Speaker 1: Labours Pay for Access Forum held its annual dinner for
[3:43] Speaker 1: top tier subscribers otherwise known as of donuts. But no, no subscribers.
[3:48] Speaker 1: It's all different terms. It's like a levy is not
[3:50] Speaker 1: a tax. The dinner was hosted by the Federal Labor
[3:53] Speaker 1: Business Forum and sponsored by a financial outfit, and it
[3:57] Speaker 1: just happened to coincide with a meeting of a Minute early
[4:00] Speaker 1: in the day which ensured that attendees could have their
[4:03] Speaker 1: flights and hotels paid for by you and me. It's
[4:10] Speaker 1: the third time that this government has done it, the
[4:14] Speaker 1: first since the Anika Wells scandal of last year, the
[4:19] Speaker 1: one where supposedly everyone had learnt their lesson. No no, no, no, no.
[4:22] Speaker 1: Vital that the meeting of ministers, which obviously could happen
[4:27] Speaker 1: in Canberra where it's supposed to happen, could happen via
[4:31] Speaker 1: zoom if because Parliament's not sitting. There's lots of different
[4:34] Speaker 1: people in lots of different places. Remember when all of
[4:37] Speaker 1: those zoom cabinet meetings could take place. No, no, they all
[4:40] Speaker 1: had to be in Melbourne for the vital task of
[4:43] Speaker 1: sitting opposite a table in rooms that are in government
[4:46] Speaker 1: offices but is not the home of the Australian Government.
[4:50] Speaker 1: Oh and just while we're there, accidently whit funnily enough,
[4:54] Speaker 1: will be in Melbourne on that day. Tacked on the
[4:57] Speaker 1: back of it, massive amounts of money raised for the
[5:00] Speaker 1: Labor Party. Know, this has happened before at an event
[5:03] Speaker 1: in Sydney. This has happened before at an event in Brisbane.
[5:06] Speaker 1: The travel costs were the best part of about fifteen
[5:10] Speaker 1: thousand dollars for this Sydney event. Other ones we won't
[5:14] Speaker 1: know about until the numbers start to come through a
[5:17] Speaker 1: little bit later in the year. But if you ever
[5:20] Speaker 1: want a reminder about how this government truly truly feels
[5:24] Speaker 1: about you, the person who works to pay the tax
[5:28] Speaker 1: to pay for their entitlement, you see it there. And
[5:34] Speaker 1: then the Labor Party's got plenty of cash. The Labor
[5:37] Speaker 1: Party will be in power for a long period of time.
[5:40] Speaker 1: That's what every poll's told us for a long time.
[5:42] Speaker 1: That's what the reality is of the demographics and it
[5:45] Speaker 1: ain't fun to say, but you know how it's going
[5:47] Speaker 1: at the moment. So if the Labor Party wants to
[5:51] Speaker 1: put people up for a Labor Party fundraiser, the Labor
[5:53] Speaker 1: Party can pay for it. I don't know, but you
[5:56] Speaker 1: see the Dan Andrews' vocation, the palichetiffication of federal labor,
[6:03] Speaker 1: where the division between party politics and the role of
[6:08] Speaker 1: the people running starts to merge until eventually nobody rocks
[6:12] Speaker 1: the boat.
[6:15] Speaker 2: Now do I.
[6:16] Speaker 1: Think this is a sackable offense for anyone?
[6:17] Speaker 3: No?
[6:18] Speaker 1: But do I think that it shows that all of
[6:21] Speaker 1: the we've learnt our lessons was an utter performance? Well,
[6:26] Speaker 1: this is a perfect example of it. Living within their
[6:29] Speaker 1: means there is no such thing, because despite the fact
[6:33] Speaker 1: that you have to live well and truly in your lane,
[6:37] Speaker 1: they can do whatever the hell they want, and they
[6:40] Speaker 1: continue to do it, and they continue to frankly laugh
[6:43] Speaker 1: at those who work and pay their taxes. And given
[6:47] Speaker 1: that the size of money the federal government gets out
[6:49] Speaker 1: of personal income tax versus company tax versus GST is
[6:53] Speaker 1: like three billion, one hundred and fifty billion and less
[6:56] Speaker 1: than one hundred billion, the whole system relies on you
[7:00] Speaker 1: and the hard work, so they can peddle it up
[7:02] Speaker 1: against the wall because there's no difference between working for
[7:05] Speaker 1: you and working for the comrades. I mentioned before about
[7:11] Speaker 1: the big weak ahead for the coalition, but it's also
[7:14] Speaker 1: going to be a significant week for Angus Taylor and
[7:17] Speaker 1: for the Libs because, as always there is an endless
[7:21] Speaker 1: amount of polling. Now generally speaking, it is this week
[7:25] Speaker 1: where if it is a fortnightly cycle of many of
[7:28] Speaker 1: the polls, it normally starts with News poll. For some reason,
[7:31] Speaker 1: there wasn't one last night. Maybe one later in the week.
[7:34] Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe two weeks from now, but we
[7:37] Speaker 1: do know that the Sky News poll will be coming
[7:40] Speaker 1: out Wednesday morning. We'll get a preview of that on
[7:43] Speaker 1: tomorrow night's show and it will start to show us,
[7:45] Speaker 1: did the change to Angus Taylor do anything? There is
[7:50] Speaker 1: a very very very very small single piece of data
[7:53] Speaker 1: to suggest that yes, there has been a slight movement,
[7:57] Speaker 1: but not enough for the Libs to have been able
[8:01] Speaker 1: to get out the packawhacker and restart the moribund party
[8:05] Speaker 1: at the moment. Now, also, the media is coming for
[8:10] Speaker 1: Pauline Hansen from every possible angle. Now, of course, despite
[8:16] Speaker 1: the fact that previously parts of the Liberal Party went
[8:19] Speaker 1: out of their way to weaponize the justice system against her,
[8:22] Speaker 1: to put her in jail for matters to do when
[8:25] Speaker 1: it comes to electoral fraud, only for the conviction to
[8:28] Speaker 1: be quashed. She was jailed because she was a threat.
[8:31] Speaker 1: Well magically Now, of course the hate laws which you
[8:33] Speaker 1: passed through the federal Parliament with the assistance of both
[8:38] Speaker 1: major parties, well these now could potentially be weaponized against
[8:43] Speaker 1: Pauline Hansen for her comments, which of course she cleaned
[8:47] Speaker 1: up at the time and the next day and further explained.
[8:52] Speaker 1: Remember she potentially is facing jail time over these things.
[8:58] Speaker 1: But Lydia Thorpe can burn the jointed down and there's
[9:00] Speaker 1: nothing to see here. Again today a lot of interest
[9:03] Speaker 1: in how the party is funded. Remember Clive Palmer was
[9:07] Speaker 1: able to be the single and biggest donor to his
[9:10] Speaker 1: own political party. And then of course there is the
[9:14] Speaker 1: think pieces in the left wing media who can't stand
[9:17] Speaker 1: the idea that support for one nation has been growing.
[9:21] Speaker 1: In fact, the piece that was written there as they're
[9:22] Speaker 1: trying to again if they can say trump Orthorage in
[9:26] Speaker 1: the same sentence as hands as many times as possible
[9:29] Speaker 1: because many people only know the caricature. Well, then they
[9:31] Speaker 1: will start to put paul In Hansen into that box.
[9:34] Speaker 1: The person writing that and also talking about the potential
[9:38] Speaker 1: sort of dog whistles that are there when it comes
[9:40] Speaker 1: to race is a man who, of course was the
[9:42] Speaker 1: former Race Discrimination Commissioner, who's greatest gift to the debate
[9:46] Speaker 1: in Australia is not what he currently writes for the
[9:48] Speaker 1: Turmbul Times. But of course this example of everyday racism.
[9:53] Speaker 1: And I don't know about you, I see this every
[9:55] Speaker 1: day in every office everywhere, right, thank you. Have never
[10:23] Speaker 1: seen it in my life, never seen it in my life,
[10:26] Speaker 1: from the suburban RSL to the hotel in Hobhart you
[10:32] Speaker 1: name it, to the office blocks of lots of different places.
[10:36] Speaker 1: I've never seen it once. But apparently it is such
[10:38] Speaker 1: a common thing that the message had to be put
[10:40] Speaker 1: out there. So many people who on the right of
[10:43] Speaker 1: Australian politics were more than happy for one nation to
[10:46] Speaker 1: grow because it was a way of somehow burying Susan Lee. Now,
[10:50] Speaker 1: well they all suddenly have an awful lot of concerns
[10:53] Speaker 1: about the way one nation runs the show. Now we
[10:58] Speaker 1: will see in the next little while polls start to
[11:01] Speaker 1: trend away from paul En Hansen, I don't think it's
[11:03] Speaker 1: going to happen anytime soon. Again, to remind you, two
[11:08] Speaker 1: weeks ago, the Sky News pole said that the primary
[11:10] Speaker 1: vote for One Nation was at twenty eight percent, well
[11:13] Speaker 1: and truly in front of the Libs. It was up
[11:14] Speaker 1: to the mid thirties in the working class. Red Bridge
[11:17] Speaker 1: again bang on with last federal election says more than
[11:20] Speaker 1: a quarter of the electorate is backing One Nation. Resolve
[11:24] Speaker 1: a little under the quarter News poll a little closer
[11:27] Speaker 1: to one in five essential the same, but one of
[11:31] Speaker 1: the bottom is the one to pay attention to. Here
[11:33] Speaker 1: the Morgan pole is the only poll and whether they
[11:36] Speaker 1: are right on the money or they are shopping for
[11:38] Speaker 1: headlines at the moment, and I'll get to some of
[11:39] Speaker 1: the ones they are generating. They suggested that there's about
[11:42] Speaker 1: a three and a half percent drop for One Nation
[11:44] Speaker 1: at the direct benefit of the Liberal Party. Now, yes,
[11:47] Speaker 1: if every two weeks there's a three and a half
[11:49] Speaker 1: percent change, then things will go back to the way
[11:52] Speaker 1: that they used to. But I would doubt that there
[11:54] Speaker 1: is going to be such movement. But there are very
[11:57] Speaker 1: powerful forces in lots of different areas who do not
[12:01] Speaker 1: want you to have the opportunity to think the Pauling
[12:03] Speaker 1: Hanson and One Nation is anything other than a trivia
[12:07] Speaker 1: question of what were the Poles like at the start
[12:10] Speaker 1: of twenty twenty six? Wait, what should see? But we
[12:15] Speaker 1: will see in the sky news polse And the number
[12:18] Speaker 1: one thing that I'll be looking for is again whether
[12:20] Speaker 1: there has been movement at all from One Nation to
[12:23] Speaker 1: the Libs. If so, how much? Presumably there'll be some
[12:26] Speaker 1: why because there was a change of leader, and the
[12:29] Speaker 1: leader that they now have in Angus Taylor clearly fits
[12:32] Speaker 1: better with those that have moved off to One Nation.
[12:35] Speaker 1: But I am very, very deeply of the belief that
[12:37] Speaker 1: there is not a huge bulk the majority of that
[12:39] Speaker 1: support that is coming back anytime soon. But perhaps the
[12:43] Speaker 1: most interesting phenomena that is starting to come out in
[12:46] Speaker 1: these Poles, and they are largely driven again by the
[12:48] Speaker 1: Morgan Pole, and the Morgan Pole have got things very right,
[12:52] Speaker 1: are very wrong. Twenty years ago when they thought Mark
[12:54] Speaker 1: Latham would be the Prime minister, they were able to
[12:56] Speaker 1: identify the run back to labor a little bit earlier
[13:00] Speaker 1: than some of the other Poles. And yeah, okay, margin
[13:03] Speaker 1: of area this way and that way. But it's all
[13:05] Speaker 1: about trends now. Amazingly, the federal phenomenon that is Paul Enhanson,
[13:10] Speaker 1: the federal phenomenon that is One Nation, as you know,
[13:14] Speaker 1: is now starting to turn up in the States. But
[13:17] Speaker 1: a little bit of education for those who claim to
[13:20] Speaker 1: know politics inside and out. One Nation has plenty of
[13:23] Speaker 1: representation already in the state parliaments. At the last election
[13:28] Speaker 1: in New South Wales, three people ended up being elected
[13:31] Speaker 1: to the Upper House. In New South Wales all three
[13:34] Speaker 1: left the party, but still in terms of a ballot
[13:36] Speaker 1: and the term one Nation. In Victoria they've already got
[13:39] Speaker 1: one person in the Upper House. In Queensland none because
[13:42] Speaker 1: they don't have an upper house. South Australia they have
[13:45] Speaker 1: one already in an upper House, and in Western Australia,
[13:48] Speaker 1: even when Labor was thumping it, they still got two
[13:50] Speaker 1: in the Upper House. So again it's the Morgan pole
[13:55] Speaker 1: which again may well be trawling around for headlines to
[13:59] Speaker 1: get themselves back into the conversation, and they have will
[14:01] Speaker 1: and truly achieved that. But they have highlighted that the
[14:04] Speaker 1: support for One Nation at the state level, where Paul
[14:07] Speaker 1: and Hanson would not be in the federal Parliament, but
[14:09] Speaker 1: perhaps a Cory Bernardi would end up being your state leader,
[14:14] Speaker 1: of various versions of others, depending on where your states are.
[14:17] Speaker 1: The jump is even more dramatic in state politics than
[14:20] Speaker 1: it is in federal politics. Up twenty eight and a
[14:25] Speaker 1: bit percent to now the leading party on primary votes
[14:29] Speaker 1: in New South Wales at thirty percent. In Victoria they're
[14:34] Speaker 1: in front of the Libs, just behind Labor, but twenty
[14:37] Speaker 1: six and a half percent is up twenty six point
[14:39] Speaker 1: two percent at the last election. In Queensland they're up
[14:45] Speaker 1: thirteen percent, but there is already a center right government
[14:48] Speaker 1: and chrisofhil is doing a pretty good job, so the
[14:50] Speaker 1: AGRO is not there, but still one heck of a
[14:52] Speaker 1: jump up thirteen And in South Australia, where they were
[14:55] Speaker 1: able to get one person elected at the last election,
[14:58] Speaker 1: in state polling they are up twenty two and a
[15:02] Speaker 1: half percent now. In my view, all of this is
[15:05] Speaker 1: not about seats in the Lower House. Instead, it is
[15:09] Speaker 1: about seats in the upper House. With the exception of Queensland,
[15:11] Speaker 1: where there is no upper House. The fascinating conversation will
[15:15] Speaker 1: be how many Liberals will end up preferencing one nation
[15:19] Speaker 1: if one nation finishes above the Libs. We've seen in
[15:21] Speaker 1: the past that up to a third of the existing
[15:24] Speaker 1: sort of sub twenty percent support for the Liberal Party
[15:28] Speaker 1: would actually preference the Labor Party over one nation. And
[15:32] Speaker 1: we know that in the past one nation preferences are
[15:34] Speaker 1: not as disciplined going say back to the Libs or
[15:36] Speaker 1: back to the Nats, as the Greens preferences are when
[15:39] Speaker 1: it comes to going to Labor. So I talk about
[15:43] Speaker 1: all of this because I want you to know this
[15:45] Speaker 1: stuff like the back of your hand. So when you
[15:47] Speaker 1: talk to people, or you read people, or you see
[15:50] Speaker 1: things about people setting expectations ridiculously high or ridiculously low,
[15:55] Speaker 1: that you know what's going on in relation to the
[15:59] Speaker 1: leading primary vote support in state politics for a party
[16:02] Speaker 1: that has no representation in the lower House and former
[16:06] Speaker 1: members in the Upper House. The Macquarie University Politics emeritus
[16:10] Speaker 1: professor says most of the movement is within the political right.
[16:14] Speaker 1: There is relatively little movement from left to right. I've
[16:16] Speaker 1: been saying this the whole time. Remember it's still fifty
[16:18] Speaker 1: five to forty five in terms of the overall pie
[16:21] Speaker 1: left to right, but the share of the pie is
[16:23] Speaker 1: what is particularly interesting here. This sort of swinging is
[16:27] Speaker 1: now the exception, not the rule, that of course, being
[16:30] Speaker 1: that it is not about going from the two parties
[16:33] Speaker 1: of government, going from left to right or right to left.
[16:36] Speaker 1: Instead this internal churn that is happening in and around
[16:39] Speaker 1: the right because of course, don't forget that the left
[16:43] Speaker 1: side of Australian politics. Why the federal government is able
[16:46] Speaker 1: to bob around at less than a third, if they're
[16:50] Speaker 1: under thirty three percent in primary vote, yet still win
[16:52] Speaker 1: elections is because they've got all of the preferences of
[16:56] Speaker 1: the Greens, basically all of the preferences of the Teals,
[17:00] Speaker 1: and as we have seen previously by putting your sitting
[17:03] Speaker 1: member last, almost all of the preferences of the former
[17:07] Speaker 1: Palmer political forces, that being the trumpet of patriots in Victoria,
[17:13] Speaker 1: the Libs who at one point were seemingly this close
[17:16] Speaker 1: to leading in the polls before Labor got back on
[17:19] Speaker 1: top of the polls. But now we're starting to get
[17:21] Speaker 1: close to fifty to fifty and again there's a long
[17:24] Speaker 1: way between now in November. This is what the Liberal
[17:26] Speaker 1: leader Jess Wilson is saying to those who've decided to
[17:30] Speaker 1: go number one for one nation, not the Libs in Victoria.
[17:34] Speaker 4: Polls come and go, and what every poll tells me
[17:37] Speaker 4: is that we have to work harder every single day
[17:39] Speaker 4: to earn the trust of Victoria's And.
[17:42] Speaker 1: As you know, Corey Bernardi is my friend. He has
[17:44] Speaker 1: been my friend in and out of politics when he
[17:46] Speaker 1: did and now doesn't work here, and I'm excited that
[17:49] Speaker 1: he is going to be a big part of that
[17:50] Speaker 1: South Australian election. But I have been reading and hearing
[17:53] Speaker 1: some things which are making him out to beat Nick
[17:55] Speaker 1: xenophon esque running in the Lower House where SA Best
[17:59] Speaker 1: was going to become the no. This is not the expectation. Yes,
[18:02] Speaker 1: hopefully there will be one or two people who may
[18:04] Speaker 1: jag things in regional South Australia, but the surge, and
[18:08] Speaker 1: if the surge is currently sitting at twenty four percent, yeah,
[18:10] Speaker 1: there's a chance of jagging a couple downstairs. But if
[18:13] Speaker 1: they can get the balance of power upstairs, that puts
[18:16] Speaker 1: them in the driver's seat of South Australian politics. Remember,
[18:20] Speaker 1: a statewide election is easier to turn twenty four percent
[18:24] Speaker 1: into power than it is to have twenty four percent
[18:28] Speaker 1: in a seat. Hoping that preferences will lift you to
[18:32] Speaker 1: fifty and a bit percent. Here he is speaking in
[18:35] Speaker 1: the past couple of days.
[18:38] Speaker 5: One Nation is different to the liberal and Labor parties.
[18:41] Speaker 5: We're different to the UNI parties I like to call them.
[18:44] Speaker 5: We actually mean what we say, and we say what
[18:48] Speaker 5: we mean, and I'm happy to say that our priority
[18:51] Speaker 5: is unashamably the people of South Australia.
[18:55] Speaker 1: And by the way, you know how I often talk
[18:56] Speaker 1: about how the social media game of labor is very good. Well,
[19:00] Speaker 1: One Nation is excellent. In part Malcolm Robertson was able
[19:03] Speaker 1: to get himself into the Senate largely off no appearances
[19:06] Speaker 1: in the traditional media, instead of doing it all on
[19:09] Speaker 1: social media. Corey Bernardi has now been dragged into the
[19:11] Speaker 1: Instagram era. Go and find him and follow him and
[19:15] Speaker 1: have a look at how he is campaigning and how
[19:17] Speaker 1: fearless he is on everything from homelessness to infrastructure. Because
[19:22] Speaker 1: you see, politics is played in many different ways and
[19:25] Speaker 1: these more modern forums should not be just left to
[19:28] Speaker 1: the left to weaponize to then turn around and once
[19:32] Speaker 1: they win elections, pretend they care about bullying. Yet in
[19:35] Speaker 1: many ways they act like the biggest bullies in town. Meantime,
[19:39] Speaker 1: another bit of news about the Pharah by election. We
[19:42] Speaker 1: still don't have a date. We won't have that until
[19:44] Speaker 1: the Speaker of the House decides when that election is
[19:47] Speaker 1: going to take place. But again, one Nation on the
[19:49] Speaker 1: ground and pumping. The other people that are on the
[19:51] Speaker 1: ground and pumping are the Tiffany Teals. I was very
[19:56] Speaker 1: surprised by a decision from a Tiffany Teal here, because yes,
[20:01] Speaker 1: it's a big one potentially for one nation. The Teal
[20:04] Speaker 1: can tend Di Vine to replace Susan Lee in her
[20:06] Speaker 1: regional seat, says she will not use her preferences to
[20:08] Speaker 1: block one Nation in a move that will boost the
[20:11] Speaker 1: minor party's chances about polling the Liberals and Nats. Now
[20:15] Speaker 1: put simply, her belief is that the two party preferred
[20:18] Speaker 1: most likely, if everything is trending as it is, will
[20:21] Speaker 1: probably end up being one Nation versus the Tiffany Teal.
[20:24] Speaker 1: The expectation of the Tiffany Teal is that they will
[20:27] Speaker 1: get that phalanx of Libs who can't stumm one nation,
[20:30] Speaker 1: all the Greens and even some other people who don't
[20:33] Speaker 1: like one nation. But the Climate two hundred backed candidate
[20:36] Speaker 1: has confirmed Monday last week she will not direct preferences
[20:40] Speaker 1: to put one nation last, which is shaping up as
[20:43] Speaker 1: a four corner contest, as I said, between the Libs,
[20:45] Speaker 1: the Nats and the Teal Hopeful. Why does this matter
[20:49] Speaker 1: because when it comes to preferences, seventy five percent of
[20:54] Speaker 1: the preferences of Labor voters in this seat at the
[20:56] Speaker 1: last election went to the Teal. Of Green's preferences went
[21:01] Speaker 1: to the Teal. One nation preferences forty seven percent of
[21:06] Speaker 1: them went to the Teal. Of course it was a
[21:10] Speaker 1: lower number, so the assumption would be that if one
[21:13] Speaker 1: nation ends up being pulling out the front of the
[21:16] Speaker 1: Libs or the Nats, well, of course that wouldn't be
[21:18] Speaker 1: a question at all. Amazingly, the left wing preferences of
[21:23] Speaker 1: shooters voters is really important to know here, really important
[21:27] Speaker 1: to know because often they end up tipping away from
[21:30] Speaker 1: what you were considered to be the center right of
[21:33] Speaker 1: Australian politics instead backing in a local independent. I'm pretty
[21:37] Speaker 1: sure my guess would be not the biggest fan of shooting,
[21:40] Speaker 1: fishing or farming, but maybe unverbling her. And then People's First,
[21:45] Speaker 1: which was the juror Renic Party way back when, well
[21:49] Speaker 1: basically fifty to fifty, so pay attention. The data sometimes
[21:52] Speaker 1: can be a little bit of a fog, but there
[21:57] Speaker 1: are big forces that this week will try to come
[22:02] Speaker 1: at one nation from every angle. But of course, the
[22:03] Speaker 1: difference between a person like Pauline Hanson and virtually anyone
[22:07] Speaker 1: else in Australian politics. She's taken them all on. She's
[22:11] Speaker 1: taken them all on for thirty years. It doesn't matter
[22:16] Speaker 1: what the people who would never vote for her say
[22:18] Speaker 1: about her. What matters is about the people who have
[22:21] Speaker 1: started to tell pollsters that they prefer one nation, even
[22:25] Speaker 1: in states where there is little to no state representation,
[22:31] Speaker 1: that they want to send one nation to be the
[22:33] Speaker 1: most popular party in the Lower House in New South Wales.
[22:38] Speaker 1: This one's fascinating, really fascinating to watch. And perhaps one
[22:42] Speaker 1: of the issues is because she talks about stuff that
[22:46] Speaker 1: the polite end of society when it's using your money
[22:48] Speaker 1: to run party fundraises, because obviously the work had to
[22:51] Speaker 1: be done in Melbourne, wouldn't dare get involved with like this.
[22:57] Speaker 1: When it comes to housing, we obviously talk a lot
[23:00] Speaker 1: about first home buyers, and understandably so that first step
[23:04] Speaker 1: into the property market is so difficult and of course,
[23:06] Speaker 1: once you're in there and you start to have a
[23:08] Speaker 1: little bit of equity, that opens up your opportunity potentially
[23:11] Speaker 1: to get to your next, you next to next. But
[23:13] Speaker 1: there is another group of people who are in many
[23:16] Speaker 1: ways the big bulk of the Australian electorate that does
[23:19] Speaker 1: end up choosing governments, and those are people, say between
[23:21] Speaker 1: thirty five and fifty five the people who are right
[23:24] Speaker 1: in the middle of the market. Interestingly, middle of the
[23:28] Speaker 1: market isn't really building any new homes. Instead, a lot
[23:33] Speaker 1: of what we're seeing is not stuff at the lower
[23:36] Speaker 1: end of the market, not at the middle end of
[23:37] Speaker 1: the market, but towards the tippy top of the market.
[23:39] Speaker 1: Let me explain. Home builders have given up on middle
[23:43] Speaker 1: income Australians, erecting thousands of multimillion dollar properties while leaving
[23:47] Speaker 1: almost nothing for the people earning less than one hundred
[23:50] Speaker 1: and twenty thousand dollars a year. Average earning in Australias
[23:53] Speaker 1: I think it's still seventy nine one thousand dollars, So
[23:56] Speaker 1: even if you're one hundred and twenty grand the building market,
[24:00] Speaker 1: it is not for you. Overy six year period, KPMG
[24:03] Speaker 1: showed the number of new properties worth at least a
[24:05] Speaker 1: million dollars being built has gone from just six percent
[24:09] Speaker 1: to now more than twenty five percent of the market.
[24:12] Speaker 1: In the last two years alone, the number of properties
[24:14] Speaker 1: starting at two million has doubled from five thousand to
[24:18] Speaker 1: ten and a half thousand. In fact, in eighteen nineteen,
[24:21] Speaker 1: almost twenty one percent of homes which were approved for
[24:24] Speaker 1: construction had a value between five hundred and six hundred.
[24:27] Speaker 1: By twenty two to twenty three that was just one
[24:30] Speaker 1: point five percent of the market. It was down to
[24:36] Speaker 1: just fifteen hundred homes in twenty twenty four and twenty five. Again,
[24:41] Speaker 1: what are one of the things that one nation talks about?
[24:43] Speaker 1: They talk about two people. One may be earning a lot,
[24:47] Speaker 1: one may be earning little, one may be earning everything,
[24:49] Speaker 1: one may be earning nothing. One of their central policies
[24:53] Speaker 1: which I hear gen X's say back to me that
[24:57] Speaker 1: people like Cosamarus, who of course has labor traditions, but
[25:01] Speaker 1: still understands and discusses that move of gen X because
[25:05] Speaker 1: they are now moving into that generation when their parents
[25:08] Speaker 1: who did the hard work with their parents are now
[25:10] Speaker 1: the ones that are starting to move towards age care
[25:14] Speaker 1: or trying to stay in their house for as long
[25:15] Speaker 1: as possible. The education of their kids, being younger millennials
[25:20] Speaker 1: or gen z is very expensive paying off the house
[25:25] Speaker 1: that they are in right now. While no, not seventeen
[25:27] Speaker 1: percent interest rates is still thirteen interest rates higher than
[25:32] Speaker 1: it was before this government took power. And one of
[25:35] Speaker 1: the ideas Paul Enhanson has is that regardless of whether
[25:38] Speaker 1: one of you who's earning up here, one of you's
[25:40] Speaker 1: down there, or again one of you's up here and
[25:41] Speaker 1: one's not earning anything whatsoever, you split the income between two,
[25:46] Speaker 1: meaning you pay less tax. And one thing that I
[25:49] Speaker 1: have just about had enough of is every budget, every
[25:52] Speaker 1: year that I have reported on that the government is addicted.
[25:57] Speaker 1: It is addicted. It is mainlining. It's of that the
[26:00] Speaker 1: single biggest source of revenue, double the amount that they
[26:04] Speaker 1: get from company tax, comes from you, the worker. Now
[26:08] Speaker 1: I'm not sitting here preaching some left wing manifesto that
[26:11] Speaker 1: company shouldn't be allowed to make money, make profit and
[26:13] Speaker 1: employ people. But we have a broken system when the
[26:19] Speaker 1: person who is earning what one hundred thousand dollars doesn't
[26:23] Speaker 1: have the money to build the home for their family,
[26:27] Speaker 1: not the first time, the home for their family. The
[26:32] Speaker 1: more people start to focus on ideas like that, the
[26:35] Speaker 1: more I think they will understand what is actually going
[26:37] Speaker 1: on when it comes to the polls in one nation.
[26:39] Speaker 1: If I'm wrong, we'll all learn together. But I really
[26:43] Speaker 1: don't think because these are my friends, this is my family.
[26:46] Speaker 1: These are people who we meet on the street. It
[26:50] Speaker 1: doesn't matter if it's at the footy in Queensland or
[26:53] Speaker 1: I'm playing the Pokey's in Sydney. This is what people
[26:58] Speaker 1: talk to me about. Yes, immigration, yes, cultural issues, but
[27:02] Speaker 1: somebody understanding that we should rebalance our society, that if
[27:07] Speaker 1: you work hard, you are able to keep your money
[27:10] Speaker 1: to help your family, not to give more money to
[27:13] Speaker 1: the government for it to fly in private jets, to
[27:18] Speaker 1: invent reasons to be in Melbourne for party fundraisers. No sooks,
[27:23] Speaker 1: no lefties Tonight, I'm looking forward to tonight' show. So
[27:25] Speaker 1: stick around. You are in exactly the right spot again.
[27:28] Speaker 1: While all the conversation has been going on about Donald
[27:30] Speaker 1: Trump and here's tariffs, what about the one that Chris
[27:32] Speaker 1: Bowen wants to put on the rest of the world.
[27:36] Speaker 1: That's one that won't be struck down by the US
[27:37] Speaker 1: Supreme Court. Instead, it could get flagged through the Australian Parliament.
[27:40] Speaker 1: There's a lot on this. No sooks, no lefties, don't
[27:43] Speaker 1: go anywhere. Hello, beautiful people. Now I should tell you,
[27:50] Speaker 1: by the way, the Bondi documentary which is going to
[27:52] Speaker 1: be on a seven thirty eastern daylight time tomorrow. It
[27:56] Speaker 1: will run all the way up to us at nine
[27:58] Speaker 1: o'clock eastern daylight time. Please check this thing out. It
[28:02] Speaker 1: is a spectacular bit of television. I've got a feeling
[28:05] Speaker 1: it's going to be one of those ones that after
[28:06] Speaker 1: you see it, you're going to want to share with people.
[28:09] Speaker 1: So obviously be there tomorrow night. We'll have a little
[28:11] Speaker 1: bit of a wash up from it, but then get
[28:12] Speaker 1: on with the rest of the day's news, including of
[28:14] Speaker 1: course tomorrow night we will have that little peak that
[28:17] Speaker 1: we get given of the Sky News pulse. And you
[28:19] Speaker 1: know how much I love the SME data. All right,
[28:22] Speaker 1: No sooks, no left He's good to see here. Former
[28:24] Speaker 1: Senator from New South Wales, Holly Hughes publican right now
[28:28] Speaker 1: in Regional Australia doing great things with it. And of
[28:31] Speaker 1: course the wonderful Matt Canavan, who is in Is this
[28:34] Speaker 1: an establishment or an airport? Somewhere where you are.
[28:39] Speaker 2: That's a CVU hotel.
[28:40] Speaker 4: Here in towns a beautiful place, particularly at sunset you'll
[28:43] Speaker 4: look over a magnetic island. Had a great night here
[28:45] Speaker 4: with some locals, and yeah, geez, I think the country's
[28:49] Speaker 4: going the wrong way like everyone else up here.
[28:51] Speaker 1: Good stuff. You're right on the promenade there.
[28:55] Speaker 2: You just crossed from it.
[28:56] Speaker 4: Mate strands across the road to you to be part
[28:58] Speaker 4: of the world up here in Townsville.
[28:59] Speaker 1: Matt, just don't swim in the water.
[29:01] Speaker 2: People.
[29:03] Speaker 4: Your pub's a really nice down there, but you don't have.
[29:06] Speaker 2: I bet you.
[29:07] Speaker 6: Didn't get as warm or welcome as you got it.
[29:09] Speaker 2: My, that's true. You didn't put on a show for me.
[29:15] Speaker 4: It was unexpected, though I wasn't hit me with about
[29:17] Speaker 4: forty people around you about wind turbines. I thought I
[29:20] Speaker 4: was just having a nice lunch with an old friend.
[29:22] Speaker 1: Good stuff. All right, let's get into it, guys. Let's
[29:25] Speaker 1: talk to this idea where look, obviously, Trump's decision when
[29:29] Speaker 1: it comes to tariffs knocked down by the Supreme Court.
[29:31] Speaker 1: Obviously something like that is only supposed to be put
[29:34] Speaker 1: in place by the Parliament. They do have a majority
[29:37] Speaker 1: in the Parliament, but it's like a one seat majority
[29:39] Speaker 1: in the lower house a little more in the upper House.
[29:41] Speaker 1: We're running towards an election, so I wouldn't imagine any
[29:44] Speaker 1: laws go through about all of that. So when he's
[29:47] Speaker 1: saying Australia is going to pay a fifteen percent tariff,
[29:49] Speaker 1: we'll all wait, watch and see whether that is what's
[29:51] Speaker 1: going to take place. But again, some smart people have
[29:54] Speaker 1: pointed out Australia is about to put a tariff on
[29:58] Speaker 1: anything that comes from carbon rich countries or dirty ways
[30:04] Speaker 1: of transporting it, and this in and of itself will
[30:07] Speaker 1: of course result in exactly the same effect that they
[30:10] Speaker 1: say Trump's tariffs have had for American consumers Matt, which is,
[30:14] Speaker 1: if Bowen puts a tariff on dirty things that come here,
[30:17] Speaker 1: guess what the price of them will go up.
[30:22] Speaker 4: That's exactly right, Paul. And let's just keep in mind
[30:24] Speaker 4: why we need this tariff. It's because the government is
[30:27] Speaker 4: putting a carbon tax on how we make most things
[30:30] Speaker 4: in this country.
[30:31] Speaker 2: The very day the Liberal Party changed leadership.
[30:33] Speaker 4: The government dropped out a report which was quite embarrassing
[30:36] Speaker 4: for them. That's why they released it on that day
[30:39] Speaker 4: while the media was distracted that report that the Government
[30:41] Speaker 4: Commission is the Government Commision report found that the government's
[30:45] Speaker 4: net zero policies they're carbon tax. They call it a
[30:48] Speaker 4: safeguard mechanism that is actually putting businesses out the door.
[30:53] Speaker 4: It's putting a risk on business because guess what this
[30:55] Speaker 4: report found. There's a cost of getting to net zero
[30:58] Speaker 4: as a cost of the government play seeing a carbon
[31:00] Speaker 4: tax on for our factories.
[31:02] Speaker 2: Who would have thought?
[31:03] Speaker 4: And the report then recommended while the solution for this impact,
[31:06] Speaker 4: this big cost is not to get rid of the tax,
[31:09] Speaker 4: not to get rid of carbon tax, but instead put
[31:11] Speaker 4: a tariff, put a carbon tariff on other goods coming
[31:14] Speaker 4: into our country so that these Australian businesses are protected.
[31:18] Speaker 4: But of course we all have to pay more because
[31:21] Speaker 4: of that, so we effectively I end up with two taxes,
[31:24] Speaker 4: a bad carbon tax and now bad tariff, pushing up
[31:27] Speaker 4: the price of business, pushing up the cost of doing
[31:30] Speaker 4: business everywhere in this country. I've got a crazy idea,
[31:33] Speaker 4: why don't we just get rid of the carbon taxes,
[31:35] Speaker 4: get rid of all of them. Then we don't need
[31:37] Speaker 4: to have those and we can still have jobs. We
[31:39] Speaker 4: can have a manufacturing industry and not pay more at
[31:42] Speaker 4: the shops because of it.
[31:43] Speaker 1: Yeah, this is it, right, Astronik and say sort of
[31:45] Speaker 1: ligment of the rest of the world because we are
[31:48] Speaker 1: making our own stuff here, Holly again, this is this
[31:52] Speaker 1: is one of those ones where when people know about
[31:55] Speaker 1: this and the consequence that can be too. Supposedly the
[31:59] Speaker 1: number one issue in the country. And I say supposedly
[32:01] Speaker 1: because if cost of living is a number one thing,
[32:03] Speaker 1: I don't know why anyone would re elect this government,
[32:05] Speaker 1: but they did. If things get even more expensive, and
[32:08] Speaker 1: we know that it's because of what are the bloke
[32:10] Speaker 1: in Bernie say last night, sexy fingers Bowen. It's like
[32:14] Speaker 1: Cassianova Bowen, but you get the point. Sexy fingers might
[32:18] Speaker 1: become sticky fingers here trying to get a little piece
[32:20] Speaker 1: of everything coming into the country.
[32:23] Speaker 6: Well, let me tell you you hear it straight in
[32:24] Speaker 6: the front bar here, and I heard one of my
[32:27] Speaker 6: guys to and I made the point that he didn't
[32:28] Speaker 6: think Chris Bowen had passed Kindergarten. And clearly this is
[32:32] Speaker 6: a guy who is absolutely hell banned on destroying manufacturing
[32:37] Speaker 6: and agriculture in this country. It is just out of
[32:41] Speaker 6: control what he's trying to do. And the fact that
[32:43] Speaker 6: he's saying any additional costs that are in curved will
[32:46] Speaker 6: be vanishingly small.
[32:48] Speaker 2: I mean, that's like our.
[32:50] Speaker 6: Reduction in our energy prices was vanishingly small because we've
[32:54] Speaker 6: just seen them go up under Bowen's just relentless chasing
[32:58] Speaker 6: of this net zero goal while the rest of the
[33:01] Speaker 6: world is waking up to the complete fallacy that this
[33:04] Speaker 6: is we will be left with no manufacturing in this country.
[33:08] Speaker 1: And I mean, I.
[33:09] Speaker 6: Hope, Matt, maybe you can push it in the party room,
[33:13] Speaker 6: but the very first thing that should be being announced
[33:15] Speaker 6: when it comes to energy policy from the Coalition would
[33:18] Speaker 6: be repealing of the safeguard mechanism. It is going to
[33:21] Speaker 6: absolutely destroy industries like concrete in this country. And you
[33:27] Speaker 6: know this is exactly what they want to see happen.
[33:30] Speaker 6: They don't want those sorts of products to be manufactured here.
[33:33] Speaker 3: It's just insane, Matt.
[33:35] Speaker 1: Can I get a pre argument from you here, which
[33:37] Speaker 1: is Bowen's going to say, Look, you know I've heard
[33:39] Speaker 1: all the same people saying the same things for years
[33:41] Speaker 1: that apparently all of the green policies we're going to
[33:44] Speaker 1: result in political death. Instead of course, they weren't just resuscitated,
[33:48] Speaker 1: but they grew with the last election that this is
[33:51] Speaker 1: a conversation being had by a smaller and smaller circle.
[33:54] Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, blah blah. What's the prebuttle to such a point.
[34:00] Speaker 4: Well, we have lost industries since the government imposed this
[34:04] Speaker 4: carbon tax. We've lost thousands of jobs in this country.
[34:08] Speaker 4: Through that, we've lost a urea industry. Eurea is the
[34:11] Speaker 4: most important fertilizer. We no longer produce it here in
[34:15] Speaker 4: this country thanks to a safeguard mechanism that Chris Bowen
[34:18] Speaker 4: imposed on that last yerea plant in Brisbane. So now
[34:21] Speaker 4: effectively our food security is outsourced to other countries. We
[34:24] Speaker 4: have to import that fertilizer, largely from the Middle East.
[34:27] Speaker 4: A couple of years ago, we lost our nickel industry,
[34:30] Speaker 4: again crushed by Bowen's carbon tax the safeguard mechanism there.
[34:35] Speaker 4: We lost that to Indonesia, where power prices are a
[34:37] Speaker 4: third of Australias and they predominantly use coal. Somehow they
[34:41] Speaker 4: are able to deliver that result with a coal that
[34:44] Speaker 4: Bowen thinks is unreliable and can't produce cheap power. And
[34:48] Speaker 4: we've also lost our flat glass industry as well, So
[34:50] Speaker 4: there's a lot of buildings that use flat glass.
[34:52] Speaker 2: We have to import that as well.
[34:54] Speaker 4: I mean, how many more jobs we have to lose
[34:56] Speaker 4: in manufacturing before we wake up to ourselves that maybe
[34:58] Speaker 4: maybe putting big tax on the industry is not a
[35:01] Speaker 4: good idea. And to answer Polly's point there, we have
[35:05] Speaker 4: announced that we would repeal the safeguard mechanism. It was
[35:07] Speaker 4: part of our policy to end this net zero obsession
[35:11] Speaker 4: because as Angus has said, to get.
[35:12] Speaker 2: We'll get rid of that zero.
[35:14] Speaker 4: We'll get rid of all the bad carbon taxes on industry,
[35:17] Speaker 4: like the safeguard mechas on cars, like this EV tax.
[35:20] Speaker 4: Now that the Labor Party is put in on our
[35:24] Speaker 4: food products, they get captured by this crazy tax system.
[35:28] Speaker 2: As well, and fuel as well.
[35:29] Speaker 4: So we'll get rid of all of that and bring
[35:30] Speaker 4: down the cost of living well again.
[35:32] Speaker 1: I always love this this scenario where obviously we've got
[35:35] Speaker 1: a whole bunch of Chinese evs that are here. They're
[35:38] Speaker 1: able to make the most of the tax system here.
[35:41] Speaker 1: But then of course they are made in the world's
[35:43] Speaker 1: biggest polluter. They are shipped here, you know, not in
[35:47] Speaker 1: the greenest of ways. So presumably you know what goes
[35:50] Speaker 1: around comes around with them. But of course we cannot
[35:52] Speaker 1: possibly upset China. The only issue is American Yeah, go go.
[35:55] Speaker 2: Some of that.
[35:57] Speaker 4: So you know, to get the EV credit under this
[36:00] Speaker 4: BB tax they put up, all the car company has
[36:02] Speaker 4: to do is import the car.
[36:04] Speaker 2: They don't have to sell it.
[36:06] Speaker 4: So if you see all these cars being yeah yeah,
[36:08] Speaker 4: so the BYD you have got thousands of cars stacked up.
[36:11] Speaker 2: At our ports, and they get.
[36:13] Speaker 4: The way the governor has designed its tax system is
[36:15] Speaker 4: they get the credit.
[36:16] Speaker 2: When it comes through the port.
[36:17] Speaker 4: In fact, I asked them in the Senate the other
[36:18] Speaker 4: week they could export that car now to another country
[36:21] Speaker 4: and sell there and still keep the credit even though.
[36:23] Speaker 2: They haven't sold the car.
[36:25] Speaker 4: That's why this whole green stuff is a total scam.
[36:27] Speaker 1: That sounds You're going to hear people blowing a gasket
[36:30] Speaker 1: all the way around the country realizing that this is
[36:32] Speaker 1: we are here and we are being taken advantage of.
[36:35] Speaker 1: They are taking the piece. They are laughing at you again,
[36:38] Speaker 1: what you watch here, what you read online, you've got
[36:40] Speaker 1: to use it to try to win those arguments. So
[36:43] Speaker 1: in the family, we'll see what happens. Now, let's also
[36:45] Speaker 1: have a chat here about what I found just honestly
[36:49] Speaker 1: quite bizarre, which was an opinion poll which Holly has
[36:54] Speaker 1: shown us that Australians frankly have a more negative view
[36:57] Speaker 1: of Donald Trump than they do of the China president. Now,
[37:01] Speaker 1: let's be honest, and I have always said this despite
[37:03] Speaker 1: the fact that you know, I've got the photoh i
[37:05] Speaker 1: got the red hat. I'm fully aware of what time
[37:08] Speaker 1: Bannon's on in the middle of the night, right, I'm
[37:09] Speaker 1: across it. But I also know it's not the majority
[37:12] Speaker 1: of Australians. We know how that played out again at
[37:14] Speaker 1: the last election. So I'm not off in fairyland with this.
[37:18] Speaker 1: But for goodness sake, what is going wrong with how
[37:21] Speaker 1: we talk about China that you have putin minus sixty,
[37:27] Speaker 1: you have Trump minus forty. But the bloke who's actually
[37:31] Speaker 1: reshaping the world as we speak, already winning the Third
[37:33] Speaker 1: World War without a shot being fired, is more popular
[37:38] Speaker 1: than the president of the United States. What does that
[37:40] Speaker 1: tell us about where we get our information from and
[37:43] Speaker 1: how little people care about what's going on in the
[37:46] Speaker 1: country where if they execute you, they'll send you the
[37:48] Speaker 1: bill for the bullet And I'm not talking about America.
[37:52] Speaker 6: Well, I mean isn't an extraordinary but you know, maybe
[37:54] Speaker 6: this is a good thing for because you know, if
[37:56] Speaker 6: you look at what Bowhen and what this government's doing,
[37:58] Speaker 6: they're just handing over our national sovereignty at every opportunity
[38:02] Speaker 6: and predominantly to China. And all of this stuff that
[38:04] Speaker 6: even Matt was just talking about with the ev is
[38:06] Speaker 6: coming in, the extra Chinese cars. We know that the
[38:09] Speaker 6: solar panels people are putting on their roots, that Chinese
[38:12] Speaker 6: inverters being used in them. I mean, we aren't just
[38:15] Speaker 6: handing over our national sovereignty to China every step of
[38:18] Speaker 6: the way. I mean, we are inviting them in. And
[38:21] Speaker 6: you know, maybe for all these Australians that think Trump's
[38:24] Speaker 6: more scary, thank god they like g because he could
[38:26] Speaker 6: be here sooner than we think. I mean, when you
[38:29] Speaker 6: look at what's happening gap politically, China's in our in
[38:32] Speaker 6: our part of the world, in our neighborhood, and if
[38:35] Speaker 6: anything was to happen, whether it flows on from China
[38:38] Speaker 6: maybe trying to overtake Taiwan, you know, we just don't
[38:41] Speaker 6: know where that's going to land.
[38:43] Speaker 2: And this is a real concern.
[38:46] Speaker 7: That someone who's been our strongest, you know, is the
[38:48] Speaker 7: president now, who has been our strongest ally and yet
[38:51] Speaker 7: Australians generally are buying into this constant negative Trump reporting
[38:58] Speaker 7: is just really it's really quite worry Yeah.
[39:01] Speaker 1: I mean I was thinking about this, is that part
[39:03] Speaker 1: of the part of the feeling, the negative feeling about
[39:05] Speaker 1: Trump is because again all day, every day in the news, right,
[39:08] Speaker 1: but we have no insight. I mean again, what you
[39:11] Speaker 1: can think whatever you want about Trump. Who's the bloke
[39:13] Speaker 1: who basically disappeared the entire top of the military. And
[39:18] Speaker 1: I'm not saying, you know, I took him out of Minnesota.
[39:20] Speaker 1: I'm talking about g who's just ripped the top off
[39:23] Speaker 1: his military and nobody knows where they are. I think
[39:25] Speaker 1: this is the thing about our lack of reporting about
[39:28] Speaker 1: the day to day of how China works.
[39:32] Speaker 4: Matt well, well, Paul, Look, Gping is still at negative forty.
[39:36] Speaker 4: Is not seen through rose colored glasses. I think a
[39:41] Speaker 4: lot of the rest of the population would unfortunately not
[39:44] Speaker 4: even know who Jzping is.
[39:47] Speaker 2: Let's face that. I mean Gzping.
[39:50] Speaker 4: I don't follow him on on X, but I don't
[39:53] Speaker 4: think he puts out too many mean tweets. He doesn't
[39:56] Speaker 4: attract controvert Yah. I think he's pretty diplomatic despite having
[40:00] Speaker 4: probably an iron fist behind the scenes, so as you suggested.
[40:04] Speaker 2: So look, I just don't. I think it's a matter
[40:05] Speaker 2: of knowledge.
[40:06] Speaker 4: But that goes to Holly's point that I do worry
[40:09] Speaker 4: quite often that our media and present company accepted, do
[40:14] Speaker 4: focus far too much on North America, on Europe. I
[40:16] Speaker 4: understand what we do, but we do live in this
[40:20] Speaker 4: geopolitically now very important area in the West Pacific, and
[40:25] Speaker 4: we don't hear about it very much. We don't hear
[40:27] Speaker 4: about Asia, we don't hear about Indonesia. We don't hear
[40:30] Speaker 4: about the seismic events that are occurring in our region
[40:35] Speaker 4: that will affect us a lot more than say the
[40:38] Speaker 4: next UK elections. In Nigel farags we hear much more
[40:41] Speaker 4: about that, But we do need to think about our
[40:44] Speaker 4: own country first.
[40:45] Speaker 1: Good stuff, Thank you very much, Matt enjoy Townsville. Holly.
[40:48] Speaker 1: What's on the specials menu for tonight? Mate?
[40:51] Speaker 6: Well, you know, because I love small business so much,
[40:55] Speaker 6: My poor chef, we open the cafe last Monday and
[40:58] Speaker 6: you seek so.
[40:59] Speaker 1: Yes on the stools today. Good stuff the next couple
[41:03] Speaker 1: of week, all right, Hammi and cheese croissants for everyone.
[41:05] Speaker 1: Get it in the press. You'll be fine. Thank you, guys, appreciated.
[41:08] Speaker 1: Let's go live to the UK, where there is a
[41:10] Speaker 1: lot to talk about. When it comes to the former
[41:12] Speaker 1: Prince Andrew, can you believe a former British prime minister,
[41:15] Speaker 1: not one from like one hundred years ago, like one
[41:17] Speaker 1: who was the prime minister when he was the trade
[41:20] Speaker 1: end boy is starting to say, hey, look over here,
[41:22] Speaker 1: there's some national security stuff too extraordinary. We'll get to
[41:25] Speaker 1: that messc always good to talk to our mate Mark Dollan,
[41:32] Speaker 1: who is in the United Kingdom. Forest can find his
[41:34] Speaker 1: own YouTube page, find him on Talk TV and yes,
[41:37] Speaker 1: in the middle of the night I will be watching
[41:39] Speaker 1: him taking calls and talking about lots of life events
[41:42] Speaker 1: as they are happy, he joins us. Now, great man,
[41:44] Speaker 1: love you to see you of course, yeah, former Prince Andrew,
[41:46] Speaker 1: We're still back there. Where are we a couple of
[41:49] Speaker 1: days on? Because still no charge? Really important for people
[41:52] Speaker 1: to know, still no charge and obviously everything to this
[41:54] Speaker 1: point has turned around and said that you know, you know,
[41:58] Speaker 1: no innocence, no guilt, nothing see here, But where are
[42:01] Speaker 1: we a couple of days on? And is there an
[42:03] Speaker 1: expectation that police are ramping things up or they're starting
[42:07] Speaker 1: to go a bit cold again.
[42:10] Speaker 3: Well, the problem you've got is that this is a
[42:12] Speaker 3: car crash in slow motion, Poul. There is an ongoing
[42:16] Speaker 3: police investigation. Well reported of course on your channel that
[42:19] Speaker 3: he was arrested early morning on the Sandringham mistake, taken
[42:23] Speaker 3: into a cell accommodated at his majesty's pleasure, asked about
[42:28] Speaker 3: a possible set of circumstances in which he was responsible
[42:33] Speaker 3: for misconducting public office. This could take years. So the
[42:38] Speaker 3: problem you've got is the headlines aren't going to go away,
[42:40] Speaker 3: the scandal isn't going to go away, and in terms
[42:43] Speaker 3: of any new developments, well, a fresh headache for the King, Paul,
[42:47] Speaker 3: because there are now questions being asked about how much
[42:49] Speaker 3: he knew. It's very important if the king is going
[42:52] Speaker 3: to survive and preserve the monarchy, which is the number
[42:55] Speaker 3: one job of any king or queen. Well, he's going
[42:57] Speaker 3: to have to demonstrate that he knew nothing about what
[43:01] Speaker 3: his brother was up to. But unfortunately the Mail on
[43:04] Speaker 3: Sunday have had an exclusive in which they've revealed that
[43:07] Speaker 3: the monarch was warned Paul as long ago as twenty
[43:11] Speaker 3: nineteen that the royal family's name was being used and
[43:14] Speaker 3: abused by Andrew mount Batten Windsor's business associations. You've also
[43:20] Speaker 3: got the small matter of that check for approximately twenty
[43:24] Speaker 3: million dollars potentially paid for by the Queen to avoid
[43:29] Speaker 3: a court trial with Virginia Duffrey, Andrew's sex accuser. So
[43:33] Speaker 3: the big problem now is where the boss stands on
[43:36] Speaker 3: this one, and Charles is going to have to absolutely
[43:38] Speaker 3: demonstrate that he was ignorant of everything that Andrew is
[43:42] Speaker 3: up to and how can that be credible?
[43:45] Speaker 1: Well, and also the conversations in and around the investigation
[43:51] Speaker 1: that are starting to say, well, obviously potentially every security
[43:55] Speaker 1: person around him, every private secretary, potentially a whole bunch
[43:58] Speaker 1: of sort of emailed troves that goes up and into
[44:02] Speaker 1: the institution of which you would imagine as a public institution,
[44:05] Speaker 1: even if they want to get into the world of deleting,
[44:07] Speaker 1: I wouldn't imagine it's something they're able to do. But
[44:10] Speaker 1: also Gordon Brown and I want to bring this to
[44:11] Speaker 1: people's attention in Australia that I know this was something
[44:14] Speaker 1: that sort of came and went over the weekend, but
[44:16] Speaker 1: he was right in the heart of Tony Blair's government.
[44:19] Speaker 1: Of course, took over after Tony Blair during the time
[44:22] Speaker 1: when all of this was alleged to be going on.
[44:24] Speaker 1: He certainly was the trade Envoy, that being Prince Andrew
[44:28] Speaker 1: all the way up to tell what to twenty ten.
[44:31] Speaker 1: Here twenty eleven, he's starting to say there could be
[44:35] Speaker 1: some potential national security things which may well have gone
[44:38] Speaker 1: across his desk and potentially ended up with the old
[44:41] Speaker 1: CC or the BCC off to somebody else. That is
[44:45] Speaker 1: extraordinary to literally have the person who technically on some
[44:49] Speaker 1: levels is acting as the superior in that role trying
[44:54] Speaker 1: to point in that direction. Surely, surely somebody, even like
[44:58] Speaker 1: Gordon Brown doesn't make stuff like that in public.
[45:02] Speaker 3: Most definitely. There's also an allegation that RAF jets were
[45:06] Speaker 3: used to fly Jeffrey Epstein into the United Kingdom. That's
[45:11] Speaker 3: not been stood up yet, but it's an allegation facing Andrew,
[45:14] Speaker 3: and therefore is another problem for the Royal family, for
[45:17] Speaker 3: the monarchy. All of this is a tipping point now,
[45:20] Speaker 3: and you've got an issue. We live in a culture, Paul,
[45:23] Speaker 3: where in politics and in business, the boss takes the
[45:27] Speaker 3: hit even if an underling is responsible for doing something wrong,
[45:30] Speaker 3: the buck stops with you.
[45:31] Speaker 1: Now.
[45:32] Speaker 3: Historically the king the queen has always been untouchable. But
[45:35] Speaker 3: it's a different world and it's very existential for the king.
[45:39] Speaker 3: I think at some point this is going to be
[45:42] Speaker 3: death by a thousand cuts. As I've said, the allegations
[45:44] Speaker 3: are going to keep on coming. We've got three million
[45:47] Speaker 3: files related to this latest cash of Epstein documents, so
[45:51] Speaker 3: it's going to be a painful and slow process and
[45:54] Speaker 3: the king is going to have to act. Lots of
[45:56] Speaker 3: people Paul are saying that he should do a video
[45:58] Speaker 3: address to the explaining that he's very concerned about these allegations.
[46:03] Speaker 3: We've had a statement, but does he need to eyeball
[46:06] Speaker 3: the public and really demonstrate some accountability. And what about
[46:10] Speaker 3: those bodyguards? What about the butler's what about the management
[46:14] Speaker 3: of the firm. You know, it's really really problematic. It's
[46:18] Speaker 3: priced in that Andrew is done. He's toast, he's lost
[46:21] Speaker 3: the titles. He's going to see out his days on
[46:23] Speaker 3: the Sandra estate, and if not in jail. The big
[46:26] Speaker 3: thing now is whether you can save the reputation of
[46:30] Speaker 3: the royals around him.
[46:31] Speaker 1: Well, see I was fascinated that we even got the
[46:33] Speaker 1: statement as fast as we did when we were covering
[46:36] Speaker 1: everything happening on Thursday night, because remember the police who
[46:39] Speaker 1: weren't even at the time willing to identify. We're also
[46:42] Speaker 1: again the argument to everyone who was doing things live
[46:45] Speaker 1: in the UK was don't speculate, because we don't want
[46:47] Speaker 1: to prejudice this, that and the other. Of course, the
[46:50] Speaker 1: king men whatever gets said in a process either pre
[46:55] Speaker 1: charging or potentially post charge, that plays into all of
[46:58] Speaker 1: that as well. But I've got to as well, and
[47:00] Speaker 1: I'm sure the invites were much earlier than just the
[47:04] Speaker 1: past couple of days. But I was fascinated to see
[47:06] Speaker 1: whim and Kated, the Bafts trying to sort of look
[47:10] Speaker 1: a certain way but also look like a different generation.
[47:13] Speaker 1: And obviously you know this is part of the deployment
[47:16] Speaker 1: of the royals and where they go and how they
[47:18] Speaker 1: photo and how to change the subject ever so slowly.
[47:21] Speaker 1: You'll see it all happen before our eyes. Mark, sorry
[47:24] Speaker 1: to do most of the talking at the end there,
[47:26] Speaker 1: but alas hosts privileged, thank you mate, Mark Dolan. Mark Dolan,
[47:29] Speaker 1: show you fight on YouTube. I'll find him on talk TV.
[47:31] Speaker 1: Speaking of the Baptist, A beautiful, beautiful moment for a
[47:34] Speaker 1: film that I'm really looking forward to see. I'll any
[47:37] Speaker 1: about it next me. No, I like my movies, so
[47:43] Speaker 1: I'm very much looking forward to the Oscars. I really
[47:46] Speaker 1: hope that one battle after another it becomes Best Picture.
[47:48] Speaker 1: It's really cool, a little bit lefty, but still very cool,
[47:51] Speaker 1: and it won the one of the precursor awards, which
[47:54] Speaker 1: were the Bafters, the British Film and Television Association, all
[47:58] Speaker 1: of the red carpet, glamour Litz. Anyway, why am I
[48:01] Speaker 1: talking about this on Telly tonight because something really awesome
[48:04] Speaker 1: happened when it came to Best Actor. There was the
[48:08] Speaker 1: great Actor from the Great English Film which nobody thought
[48:10] Speaker 1: would win, versus Leonardo DiCaprio, Timothy Charlemagne guest who won
[48:15] Speaker 1: the British Actor Albert.
[48:17] Speaker 2: Aramaya from I Swear.
[48:30] Speaker 1: Well.
[48:34] Speaker 2: I absolutely can't believe it.
[48:37] Speaker 1: Imagine that, like literally, he didn't think he was going
[48:39] Speaker 1: to win. The movie, which comes out in marcha in Australia,
[48:41] Speaker 1: is called I Swear. It's about a young man living
[48:44] Speaker 1: with tourettes. Can you meet a disent cup of tea?
[48:47] Speaker 2: Oh?
[48:48] Speaker 1: I am good at tea, Are you spunk for milk?
[48:50] Speaker 1: And you're key with a text in this swe texts
[48:54] Speaker 1: we need to get yo mane. I can see here's
[48:57] Speaker 1: our thematication. Can go ractulations to him and see the movie.
[49:01] Speaker 1: I'll remind you when it comes out in theaters in
[49:03] Speaker 1: a couple of weeks. Here's a late debate, say to
[49:05] Speaker 1: more

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