# Paul Murray Live | 29 June

An episode of [Paul Murray Live](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/376966263), 29 Jun 2026, 49 min.

Audio: https://p.podderapp.com/2544644999/traffic.omny.fm/d/clips/2fb3740d-3436-44af-8cc0-a91900716aa5/be3abd48-25e5-45a6-aede-ac2a00524a12/9d62fb28-5c39-4f02-a89b-b47800d235d6/audio.mp3?utm_source=Podcast&in_playlist=95971714-8fe6-4855-b1fe-ac2a00524a12

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## Transcript

[0:00] Speaker 1: From the Sky News Center. This is Paul Murray Live.
[0:06] Speaker 1: Thank you Caroline. We will continue that theme in a
[0:08] Speaker 1: moment or two.
[0:09] Speaker 2: Time.
[0:09] Speaker 1: Welcome back to the man Cave. Thank you to everyone
[0:12] Speaker 1: that we saw in the Northern Territory. If you want
[0:14] Speaker 1: to be reminded that Australia is still Australia, well you
[0:17] Speaker 1: know my favorite joint kiss the ground is Queensland. Right
[0:19] Speaker 1: up there, right up there is the territory Darwin. Incredible people.
[0:23] Speaker 1: If you want to go and see all of the
[0:25] Speaker 1: highlights of our town, thanks to the good people of
[0:27] Speaker 1: Hardvi norman Ites up now at skynews dot com dot au.
[0:30] Speaker 1: Big Debate this evening will also get over to the UK.
[0:33] Speaker 1: But first, it's a really big week for the United States.
[0:37] Speaker 1: It is about to turn two hundred and fifty and
[0:38] Speaker 1: that means finally, finally, finally, I get to share what
[0:42] Speaker 1: we've been thinking about for a while, which we've been
[0:44] Speaker 1: making for quite a while, but quite an experience, which
[0:47] Speaker 1: is when I had the chance to go to the
[0:49] Speaker 1: United States earlier this year. Now, let me be very clear,
[0:53] Speaker 1: we have avoided the politicians. Let me be very clear,
[0:56] Speaker 1: this thing is going to surprise you because if you've
[0:59] Speaker 1: been to a America and you feel the pool to
[1:02] Speaker 1: go back, or you're the type of person like me
[1:04] Speaker 1: who travels there all the time, Well, you know that
[1:07] Speaker 1: special feeling that America can give you. Now, whenever I
[1:11] Speaker 1: talk about America to my mum, she's not all that
[1:14] Speaker 1: interested in going. So I deliberately at times tried to
[1:18] Speaker 1: think about this show through the lens of people have
[1:21] Speaker 1: always known and had an affection for America, but probably
[1:24] Speaker 1: have no plans to physically visit. So what's it like
[1:27] Speaker 1: to go and visit? What's it like to go and
[1:29] Speaker 1: see the United States? Now? A theme of the program
[1:33] Speaker 1: is that it's not about America that's always in conflict.
[1:36] Speaker 1: It's about an America that's in contrast right, super rich,
[1:39] Speaker 1: super poor, super lefty, super right wing. And there's no
[1:42] Speaker 1: two greater examples that I can show you tonight to
[1:46] Speaker 1: give you a taste of what is going to be
[1:48] Speaker 1: in this documentary. In a couple of nights time, on
[1:51] Speaker 1: the first of July, than the contrast of north and
[1:54] Speaker 1: the South of the United States. From a New York
[1:57] Speaker 1: cabby to NASCAR in Tennessee. I had an opportunity to
[2:03] Speaker 1: go to New York to tell the story of people
[2:06] Speaker 1: coming through Ellis Island, but also to be able to
[2:09] Speaker 1: hang out with a legendary New York Cabby.
[2:15] Speaker 3: You have the rich people here who I don't know
[2:18] Speaker 3: if it's guilt, they vote Democratic, and then you have
[2:20] Speaker 3: the poor people. They get benefits to vote for Democrats.
[2:28] Speaker 1: So Trump being a former New Yorker, how do you
[2:32] Speaker 1: feel about that? He's from Queens, so I know the
[2:35] Speaker 1: type of guy he is.
[2:36] Speaker 3: You know, I always hear these people say, you know
[2:38] Speaker 3: what Trump's playing?
[2:39] Speaker 1: Four dimensional chess?
[2:41] Speaker 4: I said, chess.
[2:42] Speaker 1: He couldn't play check is what are you talking about chess?
[2:47] Speaker 5: Like?
[2:47] Speaker 1: It's just it's unbelievable.
[2:49] Speaker 3: People like it the majority of the country, and the
[2:52] Speaker 3: people on left can't get it through their thick head.
[2:54] Speaker 1: They go, He's not my president. Of course he is.
[3:00] Speaker 1: John McDonough is a spectacular bloke. You will learn plenty
[3:04] Speaker 1: more about him, plenty more about that big city. And
[3:06] Speaker 1: then to talk about contrast, we went to the NASCAR
[3:12] Speaker 1: and this was happening in Nashville. Sorry, not in Nashville,
[3:15] Speaker 1: but in Tennessee. What an experience this is. Now. You
[3:18] Speaker 1: know I love my motorsport, you know, of course I
[3:21] Speaker 1: love every opportunity to talk about it and to celebrate supercars. Well,
[3:24] Speaker 1: the version of that in the United States is NASCAR,
[3:27] Speaker 1: and when you go to the Bristol Speedway you see this.
[3:45] Speaker 1: This isn't just motorsport. This is horsepower, patriotism and pure Americana,
[3:51] Speaker 1: all at three hundred k's an hour until an engine
[3:56] Speaker 1: blows up. Just a couple of tastes. I'm so excited.
[4:02] Speaker 1: I'm so proud of it as a piece of filmmaking
[4:05] Speaker 1: and for something that I hope you will be entertained by.
[4:07] Speaker 1: So please join us Wednesday night, eight pm for Trump's America,
[4:12] Speaker 1: two hundred and fifty years in the making. I love Australia,
[4:15] Speaker 1: you know, I love Australia, but I love all the
[4:17] Speaker 1: ups and downs of America. I love that their president
[4:19] Speaker 1: is as orange as they're cheese, all of that. Celebrating
[4:23] Speaker 1: with normal people in a massive country. We will do
[4:25] Speaker 1: that on Wednesday night. Now, the Prime Minister had a
[4:31] Speaker 1: pephane step today in Australia. Why well, you've heard about
[4:34] Speaker 1: the polls today. He was quite confident, wasn't he peacocking
[4:37] Speaker 1: around in Parliament today? And in part it's not just
[4:41] Speaker 1: because of the opinion polls. But because of course, the budget,
[4:44] Speaker 1: the bad, bloody, awful, very unpopular budget passed its way
[4:47] Speaker 1: through the Senate last week and the government is now
[4:51] Speaker 1: desperately moving the subject on, pretending there's nothing more to
[4:54] Speaker 1: see here. Sure we lied, but we did it anyway
[4:57] Speaker 1: and hopefully you'll forget about it. And they moved to
[4:59] Speaker 1: their favorite subject, which is the social media ban, one
[5:02] Speaker 1: that they believe will be and generational achievement, one that
[5:06] Speaker 1: will be constantly referred to as one of, if not
[5:09] Speaker 1: the first, or greatest thing this government has done. They
[5:11] Speaker 1: went back to the well today pun included pun intended
[5:15] Speaker 1: to bash up the social media companies who haven't done
[5:18] Speaker 1: what the minister said they would do.
[5:22] Speaker 6: Despite our immense progress, I am not satisfied that tech
[5:25] Speaker 6: companies are doing everything they can to keep under sixteens
[5:29] Speaker 6: off their platforms. The Ear Safety Commissioner is actively investigating
[5:34] Speaker 6: non compliance by five major platforms, Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat, TikTok
[5:39] Speaker 6: and YouTube.
[5:41] Speaker 1: Yes, the Minister for freeb is moving on to what
[5:43] Speaker 1: she believes to be her safest and strongest ground, one
[5:45] Speaker 1: that I believe the majority of Australian support, one that
[5:47] Speaker 1: I know is being copied in other places like the
[5:50] Speaker 1: United Kingdom, But it's a sign of a government that
[5:53] Speaker 1: feels it's moved through the budget. Pain it doesn't matter
[5:56] Speaker 1: anymore because it's law and eventually people get over it. Well,
[6:01] Speaker 1: I'm not sure that's going to be the case because,
[6:03] Speaker 1: as you have heard throughout the evening, the amount of
[6:06] Speaker 1: people who were bidding at auctions, well, it's gone down.
[6:10] Speaker 1: Now they'll say that's a good thing because that's fewer
[6:11] Speaker 1: property investors, but it means there's still not enough money
[6:15] Speaker 1: for people to be able to put out their hand
[6:16] Speaker 1: and become those first home buyers. In fact, auction clearance
[6:20] Speaker 1: rates are starting to go through the floor. We're talking
[6:22] Speaker 1: kind of COVID stuff here. Sydney recorded a preliminary clearance
[6:27] Speaker 1: rate of just forty seven percent. That's the lowest since
[6:30] Speaker 1: April twenty twenty. Melbourne fifty point two. That's the lowest
[6:33] Speaker 1: since the lockdowns of September twenty twenty one. Brisbane, how's
[6:38] Speaker 1: this thirty nine point three percent. That is slightly better
[6:43] Speaker 1: on the week before. Also, there's a change in how
[6:46] Speaker 1: the property market is working right now, which is the
[6:48] Speaker 1: data shows twenty one point five percent of auctions were
[6:51] Speaker 1: withdrawn from market a smaller proportion than the previous week,
[6:56] Speaker 1: which was about twenty three percent. Now, whether that's because
[6:58] Speaker 1: people are pulling because there's not enough money in the market,
[7:01] Speaker 1: or they're selling before they go to auction because they
[7:03] Speaker 1: don't know what's going to happen at the auction. So
[7:06] Speaker 1: all of that, you would think is hitting in the
[7:08] Speaker 1: right direction for the government's stated reasons about why they
[7:12] Speaker 1: must increase taxes on small business, which was of course
[7:17] Speaker 1: to make it more affordable, easier for people to get
[7:20] Speaker 1: into their first home. Of course, no conversation about going
[7:23] Speaker 1: from the one bedroom or the studio apartment, moving to
[7:26] Speaker 1: the family to the forever home. They don't care. But
[7:32] Speaker 1: the reason all of this, I think is going to
[7:33] Speaker 1: continue to be problems for the government, and why there
[7:35] Speaker 1: is always a chance that when interest rates remain as
[7:38] Speaker 1: high as they do, and if they start to tick
[7:40] Speaker 1: up again, or even if they just stay where they've been,
[7:42] Speaker 1: which is basically where it was for most of twenty four,
[7:46] Speaker 1: and it's now back to basically all of twenty six.
[7:50] Speaker 1: Thus far twenty five a little bit down, but that
[7:52] Speaker 1: was all eroded. It's because everyone is invested in the
[7:57] Speaker 1: worth of what you have bought worth more when it
[8:01] Speaker 1: is time to sell that. If you're a person who
[8:03] Speaker 1: is selling that, you want to get the maximum price.
[8:08] Speaker 1: Now that applies to the people who have already paid
[8:09] Speaker 1: off their house, It applies to the people who are
[8:11] Speaker 1: paying off their house, and it applies to the people
[8:13] Speaker 1: who own the properties that are eventually rented out to people.
[8:18] Speaker 1: And while the government thinks change the subject and the
[8:20] Speaker 1: media will most likely follow them along, the sting in
[8:23] Speaker 1: the tail could be a lot longer than the government
[8:25] Speaker 1: thinks because, as I showed you, despite Australians wanting a
[8:30] Speaker 1: better system for young people to be able to get
[8:33] Speaker 1: into housing, the number of people who opposed the changes
[8:36] Speaker 1: on negative gearing went up in a month since the
[8:39] Speaker 1: budget was first presented. The capital gains tax, the support
[8:43] Speaker 1: for it has gone down, the opposition has gone up
[8:45] Speaker 1: in the past month. They showed you this last week.
[8:48] Speaker 1: And for family trusts, twenty three percent opposed when it
[8:52] Speaker 1: was first announced, it's now thirty four percent. And well,
[8:57] Speaker 1: family trust it's a small number of people, so who cares,
[9:00] Speaker 1: which again is an absolute insight into the way this
[9:03] Speaker 1: government's brain works. The way this government's brain works is
[9:07] Speaker 1: they can screw over one percent here, two percent, their
[9:12] Speaker 1: five percent of the population, because ultimately that is not
[9:15] Speaker 1: going to affect their quest for power, but it doesn't
[9:20] Speaker 1: make their decisions right. They just say, well, yes, thanks
[9:23] Speaker 1: very much for pointing out how unfair it is. But
[9:25] Speaker 1: the truth is not that many people are really being
[9:26] Speaker 1: screwed over. So who cares. There's always more people that
[9:29] Speaker 1: are customers of a business than the owners of the business,
[9:32] Speaker 1: So who cares about the people who owned the business.
[9:34] Speaker 1: This is their logic, This is their fundamental logic. They
[9:36] Speaker 1: see this essentially through that prism of despite the fact
[9:42] Speaker 1: that it's people over one hundred thousand dollars, you pay
[9:45] Speaker 1: more tax than people under a hundred thousand dollars, and
[9:47] Speaker 1: more people earning under one hundred thousand dollars and over
[9:49] Speaker 1: one hundred thousand dollars, to screw the people earning over
[9:51] Speaker 1: one hundred thousand dollars. That's the logic. Even though the
[9:54] Speaker 1: result of all of this screwing around just means the
[9:56] Speaker 1: credit card, the credit card, the credit card which breaks
[10:00] Speaker 1: through are trillion dollars. Fastly, we'll get to one and
[10:02] Speaker 1: a half. Well, we'll be on our way to two
[10:05] Speaker 1: trillion dollars and I'm not speaking with hyperbole. Literally, that's
[10:08] Speaker 1: what happens when you keep running budget deficits, and they're
[10:11] Speaker 1: planning to run budget deficits even with the tax fiddles
[10:14] Speaker 1: until the next forty years. Now, the small business part
[10:21] Speaker 1: of the trust conversation again is part of the sting
[10:24] Speaker 1: and the tail for the budget that the media may
[10:26] Speaker 1: move on, but they might be sitting around in surprise
[10:28] Speaker 1: that people still don't like the Prime Minister or the Treasurer.
[10:32] Speaker 1: Four hundred thousand small businesses face significant new tax hikes. Now, yes,
[10:37] Speaker 1: this is according to the Council of Small Business, but
[10:40] Speaker 1: still employers are ramping up their campaign against the next
[10:43] Speaker 1: round of tax hikes to hear Parliament by warning that
[10:47] Speaker 1: up to four hundred thousand small business owners who will
[10:49] Speaker 1: be slugged by proposed reforms to trusts, arguing it will
[10:53] Speaker 1: impact on livelihoods and exacerbate cost of living pressures. And
[10:56] Speaker 1: while the government may like to say someone with an
[10:59] Speaker 1: ABN somebody running a business that don't have cost living pressures,
[11:01] Speaker 1: are you kidding me? They want a tax on turnover?
[11:04] Speaker 1: The reality is it's about profit and when it's a
[11:07] Speaker 1: small business there's not a lot of it, and if
[11:08] Speaker 1: you have a little bit extra leftover, it goes back
[11:11] Speaker 1: into growing the damn business. But why would they know
[11:14] Speaker 1: that the Prime Minister no experience in the private sector.
[11:17] Speaker 1: Oh sorry, one year is a bank teller in the
[11:19] Speaker 1: early eighties. After the Abaneese government ran through its bill
[11:23] Speaker 1: of reform of capital gains tax and negative gearing through
[11:26] Speaker 1: the Parliament last week, the Council of Small Business Organizations
[11:28] Speaker 1: has warned very little attention it's been given to small
[11:31] Speaker 1: and family businesses operating through trust structures that now expect
[11:35] Speaker 1: a significant hike in their tax bill and the direct
[11:38] Speaker 1: impact on their business and their livelihood. The Australian Chamber
[11:42] Speaker 1: of Commerce and Industry adds to all of this that
[11:44] Speaker 1: it will be thirty that the thirty percent tax on
[11:48] Speaker 1: trust distributions will have much more and far reaching impacts
[11:51] Speaker 1: on small and family businesses than the reforms when it
[11:55] Speaker 1: comes to capital gains tax. To make the point again,
[12:00] Speaker 1: all the people that were hurt on Budget night when
[12:03] Speaker 1: it was announced are still the people that will be
[12:05] Speaker 1: hurt now that the budget has passed. The effects of
[12:09] Speaker 1: those choices don't come in until July the first next year,
[12:12] Speaker 1: so the fear about them rolls for another year, and
[12:14] Speaker 1: then the actual impact of them affects the last six
[12:19] Speaker 1: months before the next federal election. But the government sits
[12:22] Speaker 1: around and says, we've done the right thing, We've done
[12:24] Speaker 1: the best thing. Why because we've simply chosen the smaller
[12:27] Speaker 1: number of people than the bigger number of people, the businesses,
[12:30] Speaker 1: rather than the customers. And make no mistake, modern center
[12:35] Speaker 1: left Australian politics, not far left. Center left Australian politics,
[12:39] Speaker 1: does not care about the business sector. Why because if
[12:44] Speaker 1: you are outside of dependence of the government, there is
[12:46] Speaker 1: a chance you could change the government. You could vote
[12:48] Speaker 1: to challenge the government. They want a system that I
[12:52] Speaker 1: constantly refer to as the triangle of dependence. And as
[12:56] Speaker 1: long as people are getting welfare from the government, work
[13:00] Speaker 1: for the government, or if they're in private business their
[13:02] Speaker 1: biggest client is the government, then will and truly in
[13:05] Speaker 1: the majority of people don't want to upset the government,
[13:07] Speaker 1: which means you keep the party running the government in
[13:10] Speaker 1: power all the time. Hence why labor builds these structures
[13:15] Speaker 1: so labor never loses even though the people who don't
[13:20] Speaker 1: vote labor or seek to be independent of Labor lose
[13:24] Speaker 1: every time. I don't know if you've heard this, but
[13:28] Speaker 1: there's been a bit of polling around today.
[13:31] Speaker 7: Orange wave seems a little smaller tonight, with a new
[13:33] Speaker 7: poll showing Labor and Anthony Albernizi now ahead of one
[13:37] Speaker 7: nation with voters.
[13:38] Speaker 8: Labor is clawing back votes from one nation.
[13:41] Speaker 2: In the latest Polling.
[13:42] Speaker 6: News poll shows Labour's popularity has risen by three percent
[13:46] Speaker 6: to reach thirty three, while one nations has fallen.
[13:49] Speaker 1: Now you know, I loves me a pole and good
[13:52] Speaker 1: ones are bad ones. I still like them because they
[13:54] Speaker 1: are the wind socks that are telling us which way
[13:56] Speaker 1: the country is going. And as I told you last night,
[13:58] Speaker 1: when you have a look at the three headline from
[14:00] Speaker 1: the different media organizations that have got poles out right now,
[14:04] Speaker 1: the News Pole, the Red Bridge Pole, and also the
[14:07] Speaker 1: Roy Morgan pole, they all tell us the same thing.
[14:09] Speaker 1: The bleeding stopped for Labor, one nation topping out a
[14:12] Speaker 1: little bit. Is this what the result will be at
[14:14] Speaker 1: the election? I love the people who say yes, yes, yes,
[14:16] Speaker 1: we'll hang on. What about two weeks ago when it
[14:18] Speaker 1: was slightly different. The Morgan pole tonight is also worth
[14:22] Speaker 1: explaining to you. But Basically, when you go through the
[14:25] Speaker 1: three poles, they show the same thing. Labor back on
[14:27] Speaker 1: top is the most popular political party in the country.
[14:30] Speaker 1: But the margins are worth talking about. Here are the
[14:33] Speaker 1: number one by four points in the News pole there
[14:35] Speaker 1: thirty three to twenty nine, but if you have a
[14:38] Speaker 1: look at the red Bridge pole, it's one point Labor
[14:42] Speaker 1: thirty to one nation's twenty nine. The Morgan where apparently
[14:46] Speaker 1: there's been a five point drop for one nation, it's
[14:49] Speaker 1: still only two points. Now. Again, the trend is your friend.
[14:53] Speaker 1: And if Labour continues on this trend, well, of course
[14:56] Speaker 1: it gets a whole lot better for them. And if
[14:57] Speaker 1: it continues to trend this way for one nation, it
[15:00] Speaker 1: gets a whole lot worse. But I am not hitting
[15:02] Speaker 1: the fire alarm at three poles. Yes, after one week,
[15:07] Speaker 1: but Labor or they think the corner has been turned,
[15:10] Speaker 1: the budget has passed, and you will forget about the
[15:12] Speaker 1: lies that they have told to get themselves through the budget. Look.
[15:18] Speaker 8: I think what people are doing after the media frenzy
[15:21] Speaker 8: and commentators after the budget, which is usually what you
[15:24] Speaker 8: get every single year, is focusing on what they're getting
[15:27] Speaker 8: and there'll be another.
[15:28] Speaker 2: Tax cut later.
[15:29] Speaker 8: This week two tax cuts in this year's budget that
[15:32] Speaker 8: we passed through the Parliament last week. First home buyers
[15:36] Speaker 8: recognize that the Australian dream of home ownership might actually
[15:39] Speaker 8: be within their grasp.
[15:41] Speaker 1: Now, of course, I think that one of the great
[15:43] Speaker 1: divides in this country is the people who pay attention
[15:46] Speaker 1: like we do, and the people who don't pay attention.
[15:49] Speaker 1: The people who don't pay attention are the ones who
[15:51] Speaker 1: might fall four scare tactics and lies about what paul
[15:55] Speaker 1: En Hansen actually said at the National Press Club versus
[15:58] Speaker 1: the people who know that the tax cut that's on
[16:01] Speaker 1: its way is five dollars a week starting on the
[16:04] Speaker 1: first of July. Yet the decision by the very same
[16:07] Speaker 1: government to increase taxes on fuel is going to take
[16:13] Speaker 1: between eight and thirteen dollars if you fill up a
[16:18] Speaker 1: tank each and every week. Therefore you're five dollars gone
[16:21] Speaker 1: and you're giving them another three on top of that. Back.
[16:25] Speaker 1: As for the Libs, a world of pain, a world
[16:27] Speaker 1: of pain that is only getting worse. Now remember the
[16:29] Speaker 1: absolutely we've got to pull the pin on Susan Lee moment.
[16:32] Speaker 1: Will They were at poles that were better than this. Again,
[16:35] Speaker 1: the three Poles Coalition seventeen percent in New Spot, eighteen
[16:39] Speaker 1: percent in red Bridge. The one Nation number seems to
[16:43] Speaker 1: have moved to the Coalition in that Morgan pole at
[16:46] Speaker 1: twenty one percent, but all of it's still a world
[16:48] Speaker 1: of pain. He was joining Hm, the deputy Liberal leader,
[16:52] Speaker 1: trying to pretend that it's all going to be okay. Well,
[16:56] Speaker 1: of course the coalition would love to see an increase
[16:59] Speaker 1: in the poles, but we're all I always knew it
[17:00] Speaker 1: was going to be a long road back.
[17:03] Speaker 2: I think Angus Taylor's been in the.
[17:04] Speaker 8: Job now for I'm guessing it's around seventeen weeks, and
[17:08] Speaker 8: we had a lot of trust that needed to be restored.
[17:11] Speaker 1: Come they decided to move on susanallyw after nine months.
[17:15] Speaker 1: I'm not suggesting there needs to be a move on
[17:17] Speaker 1: Angus Taylor after three or four of them, but we're
[17:21] Speaker 1: sort of getting to the halfway point of what was
[17:23] Speaker 1: apparently the point of no return. So this is what
[17:25] Speaker 1: is going to be part of the problem for that
[17:27] Speaker 1: lives in the next little while. Right, So, what do
[17:30] Speaker 1: I think has happened in the past couple of weeks.
[17:32] Speaker 1: I think the National Press Club speech again, if you
[17:34] Speaker 1: paid attention you know what she was saying. If you
[17:36] Speaker 1: weren't paying attention, well, you've seen the overreaction, including lies
[17:41] Speaker 1: from the Labor Party that supposedly she stood up and said,
[17:44] Speaker 1: literally none as can't speak their own language to their grandchildren.
[17:48] Speaker 1: Total garbage, total byes. But the monoculture thing, yep, maybe
[17:53] Speaker 1: that's on the edges, but I don't think that's the
[17:55] Speaker 1: actual problem. You see when you have a look at
[17:57] Speaker 1: news poll and they ask about paul and Henson's before
[18:00] Speaker 1: warmans as the leader of One Nation, overall, forty nine
[18:03] Speaker 1: percent dissatisfied, forty six percent are satisfied. Those that are
[18:07] Speaker 1: still well with an opinion that we make its low
[18:09] Speaker 1: single figures. Unsurprisingly, majority of Coalition voters satisfied with her leadership,
[18:14] Speaker 1: the majority of Green's voters dissatisfied. Who's the one percent
[18:18] Speaker 1: of One Nation people that dissatisfied with Pauline hansense leadership anyway,
[18:24] Speaker 1: But the part that is worth circling here is the
[18:26] Speaker 1: seventeen percent of Labor voters who are satisfied with the
[18:30] Speaker 1: job Paul Enhanson is doing. Because the difference between the
[18:33] Speaker 1: government being with a majority that's got a nine in
[18:36] Speaker 1: front of it more than ninety seats and eight in
[18:38] Speaker 1: front of it more than eighty seats, or somewhere in
[18:40] Speaker 1: the seventies, where either seventy six puts you in majority
[18:43] Speaker 1: government or lower is the number of labor voters that
[18:47] Speaker 1: are one nation curious. So you may have noticed I
[18:50] Speaker 1: put a bit of time into showing you in the
[18:52] Speaker 1: past couple of weeks. Part of the pushback that's coming
[18:55] Speaker 1: from the Union movement. Sally McManis in particular, is pretty
[18:59] Speaker 1: strong about this social media. The message is starting to
[19:03] Speaker 1: be echoed by any and every representative of labor in
[19:06] Speaker 1: any and any part of the media. But make no mistake,
[19:10] Speaker 1: they are not aiming this at somebody that is backing
[19:12] Speaker 1: one nation who voted for the coalition last time or
[19:15] Speaker 1: voted for one nation last time. They are aiming all
[19:17] Speaker 1: of this at the seventeen percent of labor voters who
[19:21] Speaker 1: like the job Paulin Henson is doing as leader. Hence
[19:24] Speaker 1: why they are making it about as subtle as a
[19:27] Speaker 1: sledgehamnel or in this case, a bulldozer. These are the
[19:30] Speaker 1: messages that are out on social media from the ACTU.
[19:34] Speaker 1: I would give free advice to one nation, which is
[19:36] Speaker 1: what that's worth paying for which is they need to
[19:38] Speaker 1: counter it. And part of the way they canter that
[19:40] Speaker 1: is about it how they come down on certain issues.
[19:44] Speaker 1: Because if they're able to muddy the waters with some
[19:48] Speaker 1: of the voting record in the next few months, well
[19:50] Speaker 1: that will be very much to their benefit. But core
[19:52] Speaker 1: principles are called principles. So I understand there's a line
[19:54] Speaker 1: where that can't pass. But those sorts of things are
[19:57] Speaker 1: going to do damage with those labor nation curious voters. Now.
[20:03] Speaker 1: A very cleaner example, though, to talk about about a
[20:06] Speaker 1: change that needs to happen with all voters in Victoria
[20:11] Speaker 1: is to get rid of the Allen government. Get rid
[20:13] Speaker 1: of the Allen government. Why, well, you know why. But
[20:16] Speaker 1: what about today? A farcical performance from the premiere, farcical
[20:20] Speaker 1: performance from the leader of a government that has been
[20:23] Speaker 1: shown time and time and time again, evidence after evidence
[20:26] Speaker 1: after evidence, that after evidence in print, on radio and
[20:29] Speaker 1: in television about alleged corruption in and around that big
[20:34] Speaker 1: build project. Again. Their bet is that the majority of
[20:38] Speaker 1: people don't pay attention, and they will be distracted by
[20:41] Speaker 1: the flashing light of work from home legislation, whereas those
[20:45] Speaker 1: of us that do pay attention see this for the
[20:46] Speaker 1: disgrace it is. We're all credit to Dick McKenzie writing
[20:51] Speaker 1: for the Age newspaper in Melbourne, but again staying on
[20:54] Speaker 1: this story. This is like, I think the third time
[20:56] Speaker 1: he's gone to television with it and well done for
[20:58] Speaker 1: sixty minutes, not doing any five minutes, but making it
[21:01] Speaker 1: a big chunk of their hour last night. I hope
[21:04] Speaker 1: people in Victoria see this because his basically what they
[21:08] Speaker 1: believed to be the smoking gun that the government knew.
[21:11] Speaker 1: The government knew, the government knew about the schemes that
[21:16] Speaker 1: were in process where certain people were charging more than
[21:21] Speaker 1: they should, and of course the people who pay the
[21:24] Speaker 1: tax payers, the people who represent them, the government that
[21:27] Speaker 1: didn't intervene. First an explanation from the reporter.
[21:32] Speaker 9: On sixty minutes and in the Age and Sydney Morning Herald.
[21:35] Speaker 9: I've been reporting on the blatant wrongdoing for two years,
[21:39] Speaker 9: but it's only now I've discovered why very little has
[21:43] Speaker 9: been done to stop it. Damning evidence will reveal tonight
[21:47] Speaker 9: proves the Victorian government turned a blind eye to the routing.
[21:53] Speaker 1: Now there's a lot of nuance in all of this.
[21:55] Speaker 1: Everyone that is portrayed in a certain light denies the
[21:59] Speaker 1: imputation or allegations that come in and around this story.
[22:02] Speaker 1: But again at the heart of the example of the
[22:04] Speaker 1: payments we're talking about here where clearly someone's paying overs
[22:09] Speaker 1: and why are they paying overs? And someone who's paying
[22:11] Speaker 1: the overs are the taxpayers of Victoria. The people who
[22:14] Speaker 1: represent them is the government, and the government should be
[22:16] Speaker 1: stepping in to stop it.
[22:18] Speaker 10: Look, if you don't pay gatdo you don't get access
[22:23] Speaker 10: to the big bill. Through Gatto and through the union,
[22:29] Speaker 10: they control who goes on the project and who doesn't
[22:33] Speaker 10: get access to the project.
[22:35] Speaker 4: This might seem very far removed for the public, Well
[22:38] Speaker 4: why should they.
[22:38] Speaker 10: Care When we pay Gatto, It gets added to the
[22:43] Speaker 10: cost of our work. If we didn't have to pay Gatto,
[22:48] Speaker 10: we would do the work for cheaper and ultimately it's
[22:52] Speaker 10: the general public that pay for that.
[22:55] Speaker 1: That's the point. Government is meant to be the custodian
[22:59] Speaker 1: of the money of the citizenry, the money of the
[23:01] Speaker 1: citizenry that is taken from the citizenry, whether they like
[23:04] Speaker 1: it or not, because the law says you got to
[23:06] Speaker 1: pay your taxes, and thus you are forced to pay
[23:09] Speaker 1: your taxes, you are forced to give the government so
[23:12] Speaker 1: that the collective spend means you can build something here
[23:16] Speaker 1: or safety net over there, not to create a system
[23:20] Speaker 1: where people can take the proverbial over and over and
[23:22] Speaker 1: over again. But as always with these stories, follow the money.
[23:28] Speaker 9: Despite Tony Chacconi's denials, he has paid me Gatto more
[23:33] Speaker 9: than thirty times over one million dollars in total with
[23:37] Speaker 9: multiple payments. In twenty twenty six, we've also learned Chaconi
[23:43] Speaker 9: is one of at least two big billed Gatto payers
[23:47] Speaker 9: who have separately made donations and other payments totaling tens
[23:51] Speaker 9: of thousands of dollars to the Victorian Labor Party and
[23:55] Speaker 9: the Seer for me.
[23:56] Speaker 11: You why would they do that, have a guess it's
[24:01] Speaker 11: for exactly the same reason. The point is that they
[24:04] Speaker 11: want the connections with the Labor Party the same way
[24:07] Speaker 11: that they wanted with the CFMU. There's a strong connection
[24:10] Speaker 11: between the Labor Party, the CFMU and the building industry.
[24:14] Speaker 1: If you're paying attention, you can see what's going on.
[24:18] Speaker 1: You can smell the rot no matter where you happen
[24:20] Speaker 1: to be in the country. You can see the case
[24:24] Speaker 1: for new management required in Victoria. And once you follow
[24:28] Speaker 1: the money trail, you follow the paper trail, which brings
[24:31] Speaker 1: us to the point of the smoking gun.
[24:34] Speaker 4: Did the labor government know that women in construction was
[24:37] Speaker 4: costing ultimately it, as you say, twenty five percent more.
[24:41] Speaker 11: Yes, I've seen the paperwork which went through to the
[24:44] Speaker 11: governmental officials to explain to them that the CFM you
[24:48] Speaker 11: had forced certain large contractors to use favored labor high
[24:54] Speaker 11: companies and that they were literally twenty five percent more.
[24:59] Speaker 1: If this was almost any other state in the country,
[25:01] Speaker 1: people would have been shamed into resignation today, shamed into resignation.
[25:07] Speaker 1: But the shameless labor government who think that there is
[25:10] Speaker 1: the majority that don't pay attention versus the minority that
[25:14] Speaker 1: they believe pay attention, Well, this is what they've served up.
[25:17] Speaker 1: Despite the specificity of what I've just shown, let alone
[25:20] Speaker 1: the longer explanation that goes for about half an hour
[25:22] Speaker 1: on television last night and in the multiple publications that
[25:28] Speaker 1: also have carried the story all day. The Allen government says,
[25:31] Speaker 1: it's not corruption, why the costs have blown out, Why
[25:35] Speaker 1: perhaps twenty five percent the blowout might be, it's inflation.
[25:42] Speaker 1: This is extraordinary that this comes from the person who
[25:46] Speaker 1: represents the government that represents the people that pays the
[25:51] Speaker 1: money that in some cases ends up partially turning up
[25:59] Speaker 1: as donations of the Labor Party. It's unbelievable. Here's what
[26:03] Speaker 1: she said.
[26:04] Speaker 12: And so, whether it's a hospital, school or a tunnel,
[26:08] Speaker 12: we have seen that through inflationary pressures. Inflationary pressures that
[26:13] Speaker 12: includes the supply of materials and also worker wages. They've
[26:17] Speaker 12: gone up over the past twelve years, and that also
[26:20] Speaker 12: includes the period of the pandemic. Now that's not corruption,
[26:25] Speaker 12: that's inflation.
[26:29] Speaker 1: Who do you trust the politician trying to say their
[26:32] Speaker 1: own backside or the people who literally are hiding because
[26:38] Speaker 1: they're afraid of the consequences of telling the story that
[26:41] Speaker 1: they have told. Or the corruption buster who used to
[26:46] Speaker 1: work for the Corruption Commission in New South Wales who's
[26:49] Speaker 1: been doing an inquiry into the CFMU in Queensland. You pick.
[26:54] Speaker 1: It's not corruption, it's inflation. That is a new low Victoria.
[26:59] Speaker 1: Get rid of them all will learn acc out together,
[27:02] Speaker 1: whether the majority pay attention or don't. Quick break back
[27:06] Speaker 1: with more plenty to talk about here on Paul Murray Live.
[27:08] Speaker 1: We'll get into all of this and a whole lot more,
[27:10] Speaker 1: including in and around this housing issue and about whether
[27:14] Speaker 1: we are starting to see the correction or something really
[27:18] Speaker 1: dropping out here. And again, remember, when you sell your house,
[27:22] Speaker 1: are you willing to sell it for less than you want?
[27:24] Speaker 1: Because that's what the government is betting will happen. Well,
[27:32] Speaker 1: as the theme of the documentary about America is about
[27:34] Speaker 1: a country of contrast, well those contrasts exist right now
[27:37] Speaker 1: on you're telling none other than the Nationals leader Matt
[27:40] Speaker 1: Canavan who joins us now from mary Old, Canberra, none
[27:43] Speaker 1: other than Nicholas Reese who's joining us from the Home
[27:46] Speaker 1: Office in Melbourne. But of course the Lord Mayor of
[27:48] Speaker 1: Melbourne lovely to see you both. So Matt, I want
[27:51] Speaker 1: to talk to you about what is happening here. When
[27:53] Speaker 1: it comes to housing. There's not a person amongst us
[27:57] Speaker 1: who doesn't want it to be easier for the next
[27:59] Speaker 1: generation to buy. But the reality is that everyone, including
[28:02] Speaker 1: current and former generations, whatever that happens to me. If
[28:06] Speaker 1: you've got a house, you want to sell it for
[28:09] Speaker 1: the maximum amount of money. But we're starting to see
[28:12] Speaker 1: that people are not getting those prices and that flows
[28:14] Speaker 1: onto your ability to pay for the next back nine
[28:17] Speaker 1: of your life, doesn't it.
[28:19] Speaker 2: Well, the simple fact is Paul.
[28:21] Speaker 13: Fewer homes are being sold now, Oxygen clearance rates are
[28:25] Speaker 13: at record lows. There's no evidence that first home buyers
[28:29] Speaker 13: are now making up a massively disproportionate share of what
[28:33] Speaker 13: our fewer homes being sold. If we want first home
[28:36] Speaker 13: buyers to enter into the market, houses have to be sold.
[28:40] Speaker 13: There has to be a transaction. And the problem I
[28:43] Speaker 13: see it is that not many people are talking about,
[28:47] Speaker 13: is that our banks have got the yips and they
[28:50] Speaker 13: are pulling finance left, right and center, lowering the amount
[28:53] Speaker 13: that can be borrowed. And that's forcing a lot of
[28:56] Speaker 13: people out of the market.
[28:57] Speaker 2: And guess what.
[28:58] Speaker 13: The people are most likely to be forced out of
[28:59] Speaker 13: the market by that tightening of credit standards will be
[29:02] Speaker 13: first home buyers who would typically be already struggling to
[29:06] Speaker 13: put together a deposit to get the finance together to buy.
[29:09] Speaker 13: The reason the banks are doing that is because these
[29:11] Speaker 13: tax changes have targeted property investment, and the banks take
[29:16] Speaker 13: your property is security, and if they feel less secure
[29:20] Speaker 13: about that investment because of these tax changes, because they're
[29:23] Speaker 13: the broader uncertainty that's imposed on the market, few people
[29:27] Speaker 13: have money and few people can buy. Few houses are sold,
[29:30] Speaker 13: and as I say, particularly first time buyers a hit.
[29:32] Speaker 13: I just don't think the government knows. First of all,
[29:34] Speaker 13: it doesn't know what it's wants, can never really answer
[29:36] Speaker 13: straight questions.
[29:37] Speaker 2: Does it want its prices to fall? Does it want
[29:39] Speaker 2: them to just grow slow more slowly than before, It's
[29:41] Speaker 2: all over the shop.
[29:42] Speaker 13: And second of all, they have unleashed a huge amount
[29:44] Speaker 13: of uncertainty by these tax changes, by breaking promises, by
[29:47] Speaker 13: going to election on lies. That's not good for markets,
[29:50] Speaker 13: not good for anybody, and it's not going to help
[29:52] Speaker 13: the affordability of housing if we don't have confidence in markets,
[29:55] Speaker 13: particularly property markets, one of the most important in our economy.
[29:58] Speaker 1: Well, and I stand by what I said before. You
[29:59] Speaker 1: know what's changed small business attacks have to do when
[30:02] Speaker 1: it comes to housing instead, of course, housing is the
[30:06] Speaker 1: way of being able to get away with all of
[30:07] Speaker 1: these other taxes which are going to increase revenue for
[30:10] Speaker 1: the people running the country, despite the fact that even
[30:12] Speaker 1: after all of that, even with the increasing population over
[30:15] Speaker 1: the next forty years, budget deficits as far as the
[30:18] Speaker 1: eye can see. Who made that prediction, Treasury, the same
[30:21] Speaker 1: people who of course put the budget together. Nick, what's
[30:24] Speaker 1: wrong with what Matt just said, because again, whether you
[30:26] Speaker 1: think the changes are good or otherwise, and we're all
[30:29] Speaker 1: pretty clear on what corner we sit in here. The
[30:31] Speaker 1: equation you just laid out, it's pretty logical, isn't it.
[30:35] Speaker 5: Look Matt is part of the opposition. His job is
[30:38] Speaker 5: to talk down the government of the day, and he's
[30:41] Speaker 5: doing that in a simplified way, and of course he's
[30:44] Speaker 5: avoiding some of the complexities of this debate. There are
[30:47] Speaker 5: a lot of things that affect housing prices. Top of
[30:51] Speaker 5: that list would be interest rates, things like a war
[30:54] Speaker 5: in Iran, oil price is what that does for cost living,
[30:58] Speaker 5: and yes, the federal budget as well, but that's just
[31:01] Speaker 5: one factor of many affecting housing prices. I actually think
[31:05] Speaker 5: the government should be commended for having the courage to
[31:09] Speaker 5: tackle the housing bubble in Australia. Paul, you and I
[31:12] Speaker 5: have talked about this for years, about how hard it
[31:16] Speaker 5: is for ossie's to access homes, and the fact is
[31:19] Speaker 5: we turned homes into an investment class, not what they're
[31:23] Speaker 5: there for for shelter for people. So yes, we don't
[31:27] Speaker 5: want to see the ass fall out of the Australian
[31:29] Speaker 5: housing market, but we do need to take the house,
[31:33] Speaker 5: take the heat out of it, and yes we don't
[31:35] Speaker 5: want to see housing prices grow in the way they
[31:37] Speaker 5: have in the past.
[31:38] Speaker 1: That will be good for Australia. Well. Again, the reason
[31:41] Speaker 1: why I talk about all of this with the specificity
[31:44] Speaker 1: that I do is obviously I've got the same skin
[31:46] Speaker 1: in the game as everyone else who's trying to pay
[31:47] Speaker 1: house off right now. But also the reality for all
[31:50] Speaker 1: of us on telling and everyone watching, the cost of
[31:53] Speaker 1: age care is not static. The cost of the final
[31:57] Speaker 1: stages of your life, the care a little alone and inheritance,
[32:01] Speaker 1: all of that remains as fundamental as it did five
[32:03] Speaker 1: years ago, ten years ago, twenty years ago, or even
[32:06] Speaker 1: when we started the idea of being able to leave
[32:09] Speaker 1: something for our kids. That's why I think there's many
[32:12] Speaker 1: facets to all of this. And they may think, you know,
[32:15] Speaker 1: we've got it through the parliament, it doesn't matter anymore. Well,
[32:17] Speaker 1: I think there's going to be a long sting in
[32:19] Speaker 1: the tail. The polls of course will tell us that
[32:22] Speaker 1: supposedly the government has come back a little from the
[32:25] Speaker 1: position of the budget. Matt. What I find always quite
[32:28] Speaker 1: odd about this stuff is that in the camera bubble,
[32:32] Speaker 1: they think that you know each hour of each day
[32:35] Speaker 1: can have massive fluctuations, positively or negatively. The reality is
[32:40] Speaker 1: that it is trends. It is trends over days, weeks,
[32:43] Speaker 1: and months. What do you think about the apparent resurgence
[32:48] Speaker 1: for labor, Look, I just.
[32:50] Speaker 13: Think the electorate's very restless at the moment, understandably restless,
[32:55] Speaker 13: restless because living standards have never fallen like they have
[32:59] Speaker 13: in the.
[32:59] Speaker 2: Last few year.
[33:00] Speaker 13: Is restless because what we see going on around the world.
[33:04] Speaker 13: Restless because they're legitimate demands. Most people's legitimate demands to
[33:10] Speaker 13: see our migration numbers come down to just being ignored
[33:13] Speaker 13: by the powers to be. So there's a lot of volatility,
[33:16] Speaker 13: a lot of movements, and I agree with you that
[33:19] Speaker 13: I think you can overinterpret that movement then, and people
[33:23] Speaker 13: are paid in this building too over interpret They get
[33:25] Speaker 13: paid by the words, so they're going to keep doing it.
[33:28] Speaker 2: It's not my job, though.
[33:30] Speaker 13: My job is to say focused on what I believe
[33:32] Speaker 13: is right and proper for these trained people, and that's
[33:34] Speaker 13: what August Taylor and the Liberal and Nationals team, all
[33:36] Speaker 13: of us are trying to do.
[33:38] Speaker 2: We've got a lot to fix this country.
[33:39] Speaker 13: I embrace the volatility ball, I embrace the movement because
[33:42] Speaker 13: we need people to move. I need people to move
[33:44] Speaker 13: away from the government they elected last year and they're
[33:47] Speaker 13: certainly open minded now. The people I think are in
[33:50] Speaker 13: the shops and the political supermarket, going down the different aisles,
[33:53] Speaker 13: picking things up off a shelf, testing it, looking at
[33:56] Speaker 13: the ingredients on the back, and we'll see. Sometimes I
[33:58] Speaker 13: might put it back, but there's a long way to
[34:01] Speaker 13: go before they get to the checkout. So I will
[34:03] Speaker 13: just keep fighting as hard as I can because I
[34:06] Speaker 13: think our country needs change.
[34:07] Speaker 1: Nicholas, I do get the odd email from somebody sort
[34:10] Speaker 1: of talking about some analysis paralysis, right, which is, look,
[34:13] Speaker 1: you know, the conversation rather than about ideas, becomes about polls,
[34:16] Speaker 1: becomes about trends, becomes about horse races. The reality is
[34:20] Speaker 1: that's the language of Australian politics. It's global politics and
[34:24] Speaker 1: about the who's up and who's down. It does affect decisions.
[34:28] Speaker 1: So again, I have no problem talking about poles the
[34:30] Speaker 1: way that we do. But what's your advice to your
[34:34] Speaker 1: former labor fellow travelers who think all is forgiven, all
[34:38] Speaker 1: is okay, the beast is slayed and we're still going
[34:42] Speaker 1: to get ninety four plus at the next.
[34:45] Speaker 5: Look, I don't think there'll be anyone on the Labour
[34:47] Speaker 5: side of politics being complacent about today's polling numbers. But
[34:52] Speaker 5: the Labor Party has a very clear understanding of what
[34:55] Speaker 5: it stands for. It's about putting people first. Whereas I think,
[35:00] Speaker 5: and look, I think Matt's Caneban who I'm a great admirer.
[35:03] Speaker 1: I'm the Nationals don't put people sevens well.
[35:06] Speaker 5: I mean sometimes I worry that you know that's are
[35:09] Speaker 5: there for Biggit.
[35:13] Speaker 1: And others.
[35:13] Speaker 5: But look, I'm a fan of Matt's. Everybody watching this
[35:16] Speaker 5: show knows that I want to see him succeed, certainly Adam,
[35:20] Speaker 5: you know other snake all salesman like Pauline Hanson. But
[35:23] Speaker 5: I mean, the most extraordinary intervention today, I thought, was
[35:27] Speaker 5: from Melissa Macintosh, who is a shadow cabinet minister in
[35:32] Speaker 5: the Liberal Party, and she came out and said that
[35:35] Speaker 5: the Liberal Party needs to rebrand itself. And she's not
[35:38] Speaker 5: just talking about that outdated logo they've got, which was
[35:41] Speaker 5: designed back in nineteen eighty five. She said they need
[35:45] Speaker 5: to antipo, revisit, revisit our values, what we stand for
[35:52] Speaker 5: and the way we project ourselves. Now if that isn't
[35:56] Speaker 5: a political outfit that is completely lost. You know, we
[35:59] Speaker 5: need to what revisit our values, what we stand for,
[36:03] Speaker 5: the way we project ourselves. Then I don't know what
[36:06] Speaker 5: it is. And I think the Liberal Party, you know,
[36:08] Speaker 5: they're very good at saying who they're not for. You know,
[36:12] Speaker 5: they're not they're not for young members, they're not for
[36:16] Speaker 5: people who've in big cities, they're not for women, they're
[36:18] Speaker 5: not for university graduates.
[36:19] Speaker 2: So they're sort of running out of people.
[36:21] Speaker 1: But they're actually.
[36:24] Speaker 5: So I think the Liberal Party has had a lot
[36:26] Speaker 5: of problems. So we do a lot of soul searching,
[36:29] Speaker 5: and I hope they do because we're not a strong opposition.
[36:32] Speaker 5: And then we just can't have Matt Cannevan and the
[36:34] Speaker 5: Nationals carrying the camp.
[36:36] Speaker 1: God forbid, you know, I mean they put people seventh anyway.
[36:39] Speaker 1: But I spent some time talking about this last week,
[36:42] Speaker 1: right about how often there's a whole clutch of Australians
[36:48] Speaker 1: I still believe to be the majority of Australians that
[36:51] Speaker 1: have a certain understanding of the way the ward works. Tonight,
[36:54] Speaker 1: but we'll wake up tomorrow morning to somebody who's decided that,
[36:57] Speaker 1: you know, Tuesday is now officially insert Minority Day, right,
[37:01] Speaker 1: and if you oppose that, somehow you're part of the
[37:03] Speaker 1: culture war. Right. My argument is we didn't change, they changed.
[37:07] Speaker 1: Perfect example, when we're talking about party representation and logos, Nicholas,
[37:11] Speaker 1: do you remember when the Labor Party used to represent
[37:14] Speaker 1: itself like this, put Australians first with the Australian flag.
[37:21] Speaker 1: That of course was hawky running. My free advice to
[37:26] Speaker 1: you to you, Matt is take that very badge, but
[37:30] Speaker 1: just put a national's logo stamped over the Labor number
[37:34] Speaker 1: because fed InCom you know, this is what we believed
[37:38] Speaker 1: to be the way you communicated passion for your country
[37:41] Speaker 1: was to advocate for its citizens first, regardless of whether
[37:44] Speaker 1: you were the center left the center right, that you
[37:47] Speaker 1: embraced the Australian flag, whether you were the center left
[37:50] Speaker 1: or the Australian or the center right. Now we've got
[37:54] Speaker 1: the refugee in Dyeley who wears the Australian flag, but
[37:58] Speaker 1: it's the Prime minister who's got it shoved off in
[38:00] Speaker 1: the corner. Man. Yeah.
[38:03] Speaker 13: Look, I thought what Nick said before, with all respect
[38:06] Speaker 13: Nick and I love you too, it was a bit
[38:07] Speaker 13: of boiler plate, I'll say what I believe. I stand for,
[38:13] Speaker 13: what I fight for, and I've tried to outline it
[38:15] Speaker 13: as leaders.
[38:16] Speaker 2: Just more Australia, I said the other day, I want to.
[38:19] Speaker 13: Maybe a more modern spin on the nineteen eighties slogan there,
[38:22] Speaker 13: but I want to Australia max. I want Australia maxing,
[38:25] Speaker 13: Aussie maxing, as the kids like to say, just more
[38:27] Speaker 13: and more of it. And that means we develop our
[38:30] Speaker 13: resources again and we mind, we dig, we blow things
[38:33] Speaker 13: up from time to time. We have to to get
[38:35] Speaker 13: things done. It means that we're trying to get government
[38:39] Speaker 13: out of your lives. Too much government, too much tax,
[38:42] Speaker 13: too much regulation, just unleashed the latent potential of austral people.
[38:45] Speaker 2: That should be done. More freedom.
[38:47] Speaker 13: It means for my party, in the Nationals Party, we
[38:50] Speaker 13: do seek to develop new cities, new areas because I
[38:53] Speaker 13: think at the core of the housing problem, whatever the
[38:55] Speaker 13: tax sittings are, whatever the migration settings are, the air a
[38:58] Speaker 13: little bit short term or was just backing people up
[39:00] Speaker 13: in three cities prices land price is going to keep
[39:03] Speaker 13: going up.
[39:03] Speaker 2: It's going to do it more.
[39:04] Speaker 13: Is that means more services, better hospitals, roads, infrastructure into
[39:09] Speaker 13: the regions and these other as, just like we did
[39:11] Speaker 13: in previous generations. And I think we need to have
[39:13] Speaker 13: some bigger discussions too about where we sit as a country,
[39:15] Speaker 13: how we defend ourselves, how we secure our borders, how
[39:18] Speaker 13: we ensure that our federation is working properly. I think
[39:20] Speaker 13: that's a bit broken at the moment as well. We
[39:22] Speaker 13: have no dynamism among the states. Just got the handout.
[39:25] Speaker 13: That sort of stuff's got to stop. So there's a
[39:26] Speaker 13: lot to do. I stand for real things, tangible things.
[39:29] Speaker 13: It can be built, proper ideas like freedom and smaller government.
[39:33] Speaker 2: That's what I fight for.
[39:34] Speaker 13: I think that's what all good liberally, if I can
[39:37] Speaker 13: speak for the Liberal Party, Liberal and Nationals parties fight for.
[39:39] Speaker 13: Not too interested what color schemes we have, what our
[39:41] Speaker 13: logo looks like. I care about what we do and
[39:44] Speaker 13: we've got to get on with it and get it done.
[39:46] Speaker 1: But again I've got to say to you, Nick, I mean,
[39:48] Speaker 1: you surely would agree on all of those as first principles. Right,
[39:52] Speaker 1: there's no problem with any of what's just been said here.
[39:56] Speaker 1: So what is that the center left of Australian politics
[40:00] Speaker 1: is missing in what Matt just said. The original organizing
[40:04] Speaker 1: principles of the joint.
[40:05] Speaker 5: Look a million excent no, I mean a million percent
[40:09] Speaker 5: agree with Matt that we live in the greatest country
[40:12] Speaker 5: on earth, Like I am the biggest Aussie patriot you
[40:15] Speaker 5: will ever find. But I guess where I differ a
[40:18] Speaker 5: bit from Matt is, you know, I look to the future,
[40:21] Speaker 5: whereas he's always you know, wanting to go back to
[40:23] Speaker 5: you know, a bygone era, old stage where we're riding.
[40:27] Speaker 1: On the change, change everything all you're stuck in the past.
[40:33] Speaker 5: Come on, no, no, I mean we saw it with
[40:34] Speaker 5: Paul and Hanson and in the last twenty four hours,
[40:36] Speaker 5: sorry the last week where she will say, you know,
[40:38] Speaker 5: she wants to go back to the year of Paul Hogan,
[40:40] Speaker 5: and of course Ben Hoages comes out and says it's
[40:43] Speaker 5: a load of rubbish. She doesn't agree with it, like
[40:44] Speaker 5: even Hoages doesn't agree. But Pauline Hanson's assessment of Australia,
[40:49] Speaker 5: and I also mean my message to Matt would be,
[40:52] Speaker 5: you know, Australia is the most urbanized country in the world.
[40:55] Speaker 5: And I don't just say that as the Lord mayor
[40:57] Speaker 5: of the biggest city in Australia Melbourne seventy cent of
[41:00] Speaker 5: people living city.
[41:06] Speaker 2: It's going to hang on there.
[41:08] Speaker 13: I want more urban areas. I want more urban areas.
[41:10] Speaker 13: The problem is we've got too fewer urban areas. That's
[41:12] Speaker 13: the problem when you go to the US, having cities
[41:15] Speaker 13: like Melbourne and City is an outlier.
[41:17] Speaker 2: Yes, in the US, you'll have a.
[41:25] Speaker 1: Sorry Matt, no, no, no, we sadly lost, Matt. I don't
[41:28] Speaker 1: know what's happened there when it comes to the audio.
[41:31] Speaker 1: So I think it was.
[41:32] Speaker 5: Just saying it agrees with completely everything I just said.
[41:36] Speaker 1: Did you don't get the last word that way? All right, Well,
[41:39] Speaker 1: Matt's going to get an extra five seconds to complete
[41:41] Speaker 1: himself to my next week on the show. Thank you
[41:44] Speaker 1: very much, Lad, Sorry about that. Sorry Matt, I don't
[41:46] Speaker 1: know what's going on. I think the Mike pac Man
[41:47] Speaker 1: have just packed it in the batteries going flat up
[41:49] Speaker 1: for a big day in Canberra. Thank you to Nicholas.
[41:52] Speaker 1: Off to the UK in a moment or two. Time
[41:54] Speaker 1: here the great Mark Doland. What about the bloke who
[41:57] Speaker 1: has been an MP for a week, is not the
[41:59] Speaker 1: Prime minis yet but says he needs ten years in
[42:03] Speaker 1: the top job. Get your head off at Andy, Mark
[42:10] Speaker 1: Dolan is our mate in the United Kingdom. He specifically
[42:12] Speaker 1: works for Talk TV. I tell you what, I've been
[42:15] Speaker 1: enjoying his stuff on YouTube as well, very good videos
[42:18] Speaker 1: in the Mark Dolan Show. All right, great man, love
[42:20] Speaker 1: you to see you so. Andy Burnham, the bloke who
[42:22] Speaker 1: was expected to become the next prime minister in the UK.
[42:25] Speaker 1: He becomes an MP a week ago. Star's already out
[42:28] Speaker 1: of the way. But what about the expectations management right,
[42:32] Speaker 1: which is nothing's going to be fixed anytime soon. Rome
[42:35] Speaker 1: wasn't built in a day. And in fact, you don't
[42:38] Speaker 1: just need to make me the prime minister now, you
[42:39] Speaker 1: need to re elect me twice at general elections before
[42:43] Speaker 1: I get to the promised Land. Oh I want ten
[42:46] Speaker 1: years uninterrupted in number ten. Tell me a prime minister
[42:49] Speaker 1: who didn't want.
[42:50] Speaker 7: That, absolutely right, And actually it's not a job you
[42:54] Speaker 7: want these days. I think Winston Churchill and Margaret Thatcher
[42:58] Speaker 7: combined would struggle because the fundamental issues facing the country
[43:02] Speaker 7: are very, very challenging and it doesn't matter who's in charge,
[43:05] Speaker 7: how handsome they are. So much focus on Andy Bernan
[43:08] Speaker 7: being a more presentable figure, great head of hair, fabulous teeth.
[43:11] Speaker 7: That's not going to cut it what you're looking at here.
[43:14] Speaker 7: Paul is a different doctor, same medicine, and the patient
[43:18] Speaker 7: is dying.
[43:19] Speaker 14: This guy's coming in. It's all mood music, it's all vibes.
[43:23] Speaker 7: You know, he's going to recalibrate the country. He's going
[43:26] Speaker 7: to rewire our democracy, whatever that means. Well, I think
[43:29] Speaker 7: he's going to pull the plug. The bottom line is
[43:31] Speaker 7: his honeymoon period will be very short lived and he's
[43:34] Speaker 7: going to be facing inflation, debt, open borders, the cost
[43:38] Speaker 7: of net zero and it's going to take a genius
[43:40] Speaker 7: to sort that one out.
[43:42] Speaker 1: Do you think that there is a genuine repositioning of
[43:48] Speaker 1: the Prime ministership to try it or clearly to appear
[43:51] Speaker 1: to be more informal that this is going to have.
[43:55] Speaker 1: You know, it's going to sit the press a flutter
[43:59] Speaker 1: because it's a slightly different way of presenting those bad ideas.
[44:03] Speaker 1: Because I've got a little feeling that they're going to
[44:06] Speaker 1: give him such a free ride, such a free ride
[44:10] Speaker 1: that it's going to almost be back to square one
[44:16] Speaker 1: before the media is going to recognize what the garbages
[44:19] Speaker 1: that will be around this block.
[44:21] Speaker 7: You're absolutely right, and this guy is already being storyboarded
[44:24] Speaker 7: by establishment media as the great hope. You know, they're
[44:27] Speaker 7: so excited that this guy's coming in now. He's better
[44:30] Speaker 7: at politics, and he's a better communicator, and he may
[44:34] Speaker 7: have more common sense than the outgoing Prime Minister Starmer,
[44:37] Speaker 7: who barely managed two years. But the problem you've got
[44:40] Speaker 7: is that his party want him to go even more
[44:42] Speaker 7: left wing. Well, last month the country borrowed in the
[44:46] Speaker 7: region of forty five million Australian dollars in a month
[44:49] Speaker 7: just to keep the lights on, and apparently what we
[44:52] Speaker 7: need is higher taxes and more borrowing, so he's going
[44:55] Speaker 7: to be under pressure.
[44:55] Speaker 14: To do that.
[44:56] Speaker 7: Plus the current Home Secretary, who's responsible for law and
[44:59] Speaker 7: order in the UK and border control, has made immigration tougher.
[45:03] Speaker 14: He's going to reverse that.
[45:04] Speaker 7: So we're shifting leftwards at a moment in our history
[45:07] Speaker 7: where we quite clearly need to go the other way.
[45:10] Speaker 1: But those that wire worried that the current Prime Minister
[45:13] Speaker 1: is going to go off into the darkness. Now, my
[45:15] Speaker 1: belief is that in between now and later is going
[45:19] Speaker 1: to be the book, and the only value of the
[45:21] Speaker 1: book is the dirt that he throws on Donald Trump
[45:23] Speaker 1: and the closest to being a contemporary leader with a
[45:26] Speaker 1: story about the current president means the sales in America.
[45:29] Speaker 1: So I reckon, that's the transition period. But where is
[45:32] Speaker 1: Kirstama probably going to end up? You've got some insight here.
[45:37] Speaker 14: Yeah, well he's a globalist.
[45:38] Speaker 7: So this is a guy that admitted that he preferred
[45:41] Speaker 7: Davos in Switzerland with the millionaire and billionaire elite to
[45:45] Speaker 7: the seat of our democracy Westminster. This is a guy
[45:49] Speaker 7: that was happier on the foreign stage sorting out wars
[45:52] Speaker 7: and worrying about international conflicts than what was happening in Britain.
[45:56] Speaker 7: So he'll be his trade to Brussels or Davos for
[45:59] Speaker 7: a while, paid job, and he'll be thanked by the
[46:03] Speaker 7: elites that have an agenda which is against nationhood, which
[46:07] Speaker 7: is against ordinary working people. It is open borders, it
[46:10] Speaker 7: is net zero. Previously it was the COVID measures, you know,
[46:14] Speaker 7: and these are sort of the supernatural policies, this agenda,
[46:19] Speaker 7: which I know Australians are you know, facing the consequences of.
[46:23] Speaker 7: And it's the same thing with Starma. I mean he
[46:26] Speaker 7: tried to give away sovereign British territory, the Chagos islence
[46:29] Speaker 7: we were going to be paying billions for the pleasure
[46:31] Speaker 7: of that. And I know Trump is a divisive figure
[46:34] Speaker 7: and he doesn't get everything right, but the reason why
[46:36] Speaker 7: he was elected is because he said he put America first.
[46:39] Speaker 7: And it feels like a long time since the UK
[46:41] Speaker 7: had a leader that put Britain first.
[46:43] Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean we just said this conversation about the
[46:46] Speaker 1: same dynamic here in Australia. Obviously, the default settings of
[46:50] Speaker 1: every national leader should be the first priority is their
[46:54] Speaker 1: own people, not because of the selfishness of being re elected,
[46:58] Speaker 1: but that's the way the world should be interacting and
[47:02] Speaker 1: facing off and competing instead, if you've got an idea
[47:05] Speaker 1: of ok, I've got I've got to sell this to
[47:07] Speaker 1: keep being re elected. But the real deal is that
[47:10] Speaker 1: I'm trying to, you know, be the latest to join
[47:13] Speaker 1: you know, the cloud of people running the joint well again.
[47:19] Speaker 1: And the problem is is that because so many of
[47:21] Speaker 1: the people and you know this, anyone who's a threat
[47:24] Speaker 1: to that system doesn't have a professional life after challenging
[47:28] Speaker 1: the system. If you are in service of the system,
[47:31] Speaker 1: you only find one way to fail and that is up.
[47:35] Speaker 7: Most definitely, And that's why you know, these figures who
[47:38] Speaker 7: are unelected, who make such decisions at a high level.
[47:42] Speaker 7: They are you know, very very sort of signed up
[47:45] Speaker 7: to things like net zero and open borders and the
[47:48] Speaker 7: broader sort of set of policies that entails. And it's
[47:51] Speaker 7: not about ordinary people at all. And you know, if
[47:54] Speaker 7: you look at the UK, I mean, it's just not
[47:56] Speaker 7: solvent at the moment. So the latest at stick, six
[48:00] Speaker 7: hundred thousand households in the UK are better off not
[48:04] Speaker 7: working than going to work. So this needs a complete overhaul.
[48:08] Speaker 7: And all you've got, you know, when you see starmer
[48:10] Speaker 7: goes Burnham comes in and he's got you know, better suits,
[48:14] Speaker 7: it doesn't matter.
[48:15] Speaker 14: It's more of the same. It's a race to the bottom.
[48:18] Speaker 1: Yep. Correct general election now, as they say, thank you
[48:20] Speaker 1: very much to appreciate it. Mark Mark Dollan there and
[48:23] Speaker 1: in the United Kingdom. More in a second. Then we're
[48:25] Speaker 1: on our way towards the late debat about five minutes
[48:27] Speaker 1: from now. That's our show for tonight. Again, thank you
[48:33] Speaker 1: to everyone who joined us in the Northern Territory in
[48:37] Speaker 1: Darwin yesterday. It was awesome. The Trailer Boat Club. You've
[48:39] Speaker 1: got to go and see it. And I repeat what
[48:40] Speaker 1: I said last night. If you haven't already. You've got
[48:43] Speaker 1: to make the place you go in winter your summer
[48:47] Speaker 1: in the middle of the year, your reverse and endless summer.
[48:51] Speaker 1: Make it the northern territory. Make it, Darwin, make it
[48:53] Speaker 1: the north of our country. That's our show for night.
[48:54] Speaker 1: We'll see you again tomorrow. He's a late debate.
[49:01] Speaker 8: Yes,

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