# Paul Murray Live | 18 August

An episode of [Paul Murray Live](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/376966263), 18 Aug 2026, 50 min.

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Matt Keogh slammed for snubbing heroic war heroes, today Australia marks 60 years since the Battle of Long Tan. Plus, One Nation and Coalition float major changes to superannuation. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:02] Speaker 1: This is Paul Murray Live. Thank you, Cherry.
[0:07] Speaker 2: Good evening everyone.
[0:08] Speaker 1: What tonight as we speak, the Swan's board is making
[0:10] Speaker 1: its decision about what to do with players accused of
[0:14] Speaker 1: a horrific crime in Melbourne. But it is more so
[0:18] Speaker 1: the ye immediate action about the fact that they were
[0:19] Speaker 1: out beyond curfew. We'll deal with that as the hour
[0:22] Speaker 1: rolls on. Also, massive news in and around age care
[0:25] Speaker 1: and those that are worried about home care placements. There's
[0:28] Speaker 1: a big battle happening in Canberra about that. I'll have
[0:30] Speaker 1: some news and we'll move the ball forward on that.
[0:32] Speaker 1: And Ben Roberts Smith has spoken today about the treatment
[0:35] Speaker 1: of veterans, likening here's another Afghanistan veteran experiences to that
[0:40] Speaker 1: of Vietnam, and that's where we start. Of course, today
[0:44] Speaker 1: is Vietnam Veterans Day. It is the sixtieth commemoration of
[0:48] Speaker 1: the Battle of Long Tan. Now, there have been many
[0:51] Speaker 1: wonderful speeches today. There have been those that remain amongst
[0:54] Speaker 1: us as veterans of that campaign that we'll hear from.
[0:58] Speaker 1: But if it is one of those campaigns that's either
[1:01] Speaker 1: faded from memory or you need to be reminded of
[1:04] Speaker 1: its detail. I point you to an excellent piece of
[1:07] Speaker 1: the legendary journalist Peter Harvey did for sixty minutes, believe
[1:10] Speaker 1: it or not, twenty years ago. But this was him
[1:15] Speaker 1: going back to that battlefield, going back to Long Tan,
[1:19] Speaker 1: and explaining to those of us who were not there,
[1:22] Speaker 1: exactly what happened on that day sixty years ago.
[1:28] Speaker 3: They walked into an estimator two and a half foul
[1:31] Speaker 3: North Vietnamese soul. These are actual recordings of D Company's
[1:39] Speaker 3: desperate radio calls for help.
[1:49] Speaker 4: Well on, that's Ansidy six guys in the first initial burst.
[1:53] Speaker 1: Those six guys, they're either dead or wounded.
[2:02] Speaker 3: Half an hour of desperate fighting passed in the blurb.
[2:06] Speaker 3: Then the skies opened up.
[2:11] Speaker 2: And there's a raally arm again, the thunder, the lightning.
[2:14] Speaker 5: That's a monsoon or shower that come down.
[2:19] Speaker 3: The rain was a God said, so intense. It kicked
[2:22] Speaker 3: up a mist that gave the digger's cover from the
[2:25] Speaker 3: withering onslaught. The mist is blocking out the ground to
[2:29] Speaker 3: about this level, so everything underneath that level is not
[2:33] Speaker 3: visible to the enemy. All that's poking out of that
[2:36] Speaker 3: is the diggers' hats in their eyes, not even their rifles.
[2:41] Speaker 1: It's extraordinary men. Unbelievable what they went through, unbelievable, what
[2:45] Speaker 1: they did. The relief eventually turns up in the form
[2:48] Speaker 1: of artillery, but that wasn't being fired from closer as
[2:52] Speaker 1: being fired from five kilometers away. The margin for error
[2:56] Speaker 1: just inches.
[3:00] Speaker 3: What saved the Australians as much as their nerve, discipline
[3:04] Speaker 3: and shared guns was the artillery throughout the entire battle.
[3:15] Speaker 3: Heavy guns five kilometers away at the Nuida gave them
[3:18] Speaker 3: supporting five. The artillery was down there. You blokes were
[3:29] Speaker 3: five kilometers over that way. You're being attacked by two
[3:32] Speaker 3: and a half thousand enemy soldiers and you called in
[3:35] Speaker 3: the artillery. They can't see you, You can't see them.
[3:38] Speaker 3: How much faith and trust were you putting in those gunners?
[3:41] Speaker 1: Totally extraordinary and as soon as it started, it ended
[3:47] Speaker 1: with many lives lost, but heroes made forever.
[3:52] Speaker 3: But just as the light began to fade, a cavalry
[3:56] Speaker 3: right unheard above the rain and of battle. Seven Australian
[4:02] Speaker 3: troop carriers motored into the plantation, and as night felt
[4:06] Speaker 3: more reinforcements around.
[4:09] Speaker 6: The battlet ceased as quick as it had to be done.
[4:14] Speaker 1: That's how quick.
[4:16] Speaker 7: It wasn't a sleigh dying off and has cut.
[4:19] Speaker 1: That's it. Someone turned the light out, the bullet stopped flying.
[4:25] Speaker 1: They also explained that in the waves and waves of
[4:28] Speaker 1: air Kong that were coming at them, as soon as
[4:31] Speaker 1: there was a lull in fighting, the people who had
[4:35] Speaker 1: not been killed in the VC that was coming towards
[4:38] Speaker 1: them would stand up, and it seemed like the dead
[4:41] Speaker 1: had risen again, according to those who were there today,
[4:46] Speaker 1: the commemorations were marked all the way around the country
[4:49] Speaker 1: and in our federal Parliament. The alternative Prime Minister and
[4:52] Speaker 1: Opposition Leader Angus Taylor gave a spectacular speech, not just
[4:56] Speaker 1: speaking about their bravery, their legacy, but the cost of
[5:00] Speaker 1: that day sixty years ago.
[5:03] Speaker 8: At least two hundred and forty five yet cong soldiers
[5:05] Speaker 8: have been killed. The men of d Company have endured
[5:08] Speaker 8: three and a half hours of hell against all odds,
[5:14] Speaker 8: but not without cost. Seventeen Australians have fallen, twenty five wounded.
[5:19] Speaker 8: One would die of wounds just days later. Speaker, the
[5:24] Speaker 8: Battle of Long Tan reinforces the courage, the camaraderie and
[5:27] Speaker 8: the composure that defines ANZACs in war, and it came
[5:34] Speaker 8: to represent Australia's commitment to the Vietnam War. The war
[5:37] Speaker 8: saw three thousand Australians wounded and five hundred and twenty
[5:40] Speaker 8: three tragically killed.
[5:41] Speaker 1: It And to all who serve their nation by choice
[5:46] Speaker 1: or by compulsion, our strength and love always remains to you.
[5:49] Speaker 1: What you saw, you never should have seen. What happened
[5:52] Speaker 1: to you never should have happened to you. A country
[5:55] Speaker 1: is forever stronger because of your efforts and the freedoms
[5:58] Speaker 1: that future generation have now taken for granted. The ones
[6:02] Speaker 1: that we never forget, the ceremonies to mark this day
[6:06] Speaker 1: and the battles around it for many years were just
[6:10] Speaker 1: as moving. And while their number continues to fade, the
[6:15] Speaker 1: memory never shall. Your memory so vivid column, Ha, Well,
[6:25] Speaker 1: it's unforgettable, I can tell you. Yeah. Well, I love
[6:30] Speaker 1: saying it. Thank you for your service mate and all
[6:34] Speaker 1: your people, and it was amazing what you did for us.
[6:37] Speaker 1: We don't realize what happened sixty years ago, but this
[6:41] Speaker 1: memory lives on. Yeah.
[6:42] Speaker 9: Well, I tried, and I was a regular soldier and
[6:45] Speaker 9: that's what I'd signed up to.
[6:46] Speaker 4: Do, I guess, whereas a lot of our guys were
[6:50] Speaker 4: National servicemen.
[6:51] Speaker 1: Yeah, but they were great sad on you Mane again
[6:54] Speaker 1: a special shout out to all of those Nashos with
[6:57] Speaker 1: their service in Vietnam and in preparation for here at home.
[7:02] Speaker 1: For the Prime Minister, he too gave an eloquent speech,
[7:05] Speaker 1: but it couldn't pass without irony. When, of course we've
[7:08] Speaker 1: been talking for the past couple of days about how
[7:10] Speaker 1: this government is treating veterans of all wars, including that
[7:15] Speaker 1: that we commemorate today.
[7:18] Speaker 10: We also acknowledge that it took us too long as
[7:21] Speaker 10: a nation to come to terms with a fundamental truth
[7:25] Speaker 10: that we can disagree with the war without ever diminishing
[7:29] Speaker 10: the profound respect we feel for every single Australian who
[7:34] Speaker 10: puts on our uniform and serves in our name. Our
[7:39] Speaker 10: respect for the valor, comaraderie, integrity and character of our
[7:44] Speaker 10: Vietnam War veterans is coupled with our recognition of the
[7:48] Speaker 10: burden they have carried, as have so many of their families.
[7:52] Speaker 10: To all who are still with us, and in honor
[7:55] Speaker 10: of the memories of those who are not, we say
[7:58] Speaker 10: what we should have been saying from the very beginning.
[8:02] Speaker 10: We honor you, we respect you, we thank you, lest we.
[8:08] Speaker 1: Forget important and no doubt heartfelt. But the reality is,
[8:14] Speaker 1: of course, how this government is treating veterans to this
[8:17] Speaker 1: very day now. While the Prime Minister may speak as
[8:20] Speaker 1: he currently does in the Parliament, he was around a
[8:23] Speaker 1: table that decided in the Federal Budget to make a
[8:26] Speaker 1: totally unnecessary and totally cruel cut to limit the amount
[8:31] Speaker 1: of money that soldiers who had served recently or many
[8:36] Speaker 1: decades ago were able to get when it comes to
[8:38] Speaker 1: Allied health. The Minister for Veterans Affairs, mat Keia, you know,
[8:42] Speaker 1: the sagaby now had effectively ignored a group of veterans
[8:47] Speaker 1: who had to turn up in Canberra before he was
[8:49] Speaker 1: then embarrassed into meeting with them. They wanted to meet
[8:54] Speaker 1: with him because of this one line in a statement
[8:59] Speaker 1: which was released in and around the budget that now
[9:02] Speaker 1: the government was going to introduce a five thousand dollars
[9:05] Speaker 1: annual threshold on Allied health expenditure each financial year and
[9:10] Speaker 1: that will be established from one July twenty twenty seven.
[9:13] Speaker 1: This will help unnecessary over servicing. Again, there is four
[9:19] Speaker 1: billion dollars worth of fraud that exists in the NDIS.
[9:23] Speaker 1: As if there's four billion dollars worth of over servicing
[9:26] Speaker 1: of people who have served our nation. Last night we
[9:31] Speaker 1: spoke to the representative of the group who went to
[9:35] Speaker 1: Canberra and forced the minister's hand.
[9:39] Speaker 11: There's everything from exercise, physiology, physiotherapy, but up to the
[9:44] Speaker 11: really the issues that can take a veteran to consider suicide,
[9:49] Speaker 11: such as the mental health.
[9:52] Speaker 1: And unbelievably, John is somebody who this cap would have affected.
[9:59] Speaker 1: He required more than the requisite five thousand dollars worth
[10:04] Speaker 1: of help that was able to save his life. Hence
[10:06] Speaker 1: why he is fighting as hard as he is now.
[10:09] Speaker 1: The government is just simply being pigheaded in this situation.
[10:12] Speaker 1: They have the chance to change it tomorrow and I
[10:15] Speaker 1: hope that they do. But of course when they ended
[10:19] Speaker 1: up having the meeting that the Minister never wanted to have,
[10:23] Speaker 1: not much came of it.
[10:26] Speaker 7: Matt's not going to budge.
[10:28] Speaker 11: We put propositions to him from the veteran and the
[10:31] Speaker 11: Allied health community, and he is His stance is solid
[10:36] Speaker 11: that there will be no changes to the cup.
[10:40] Speaker 1: After that conversation that we had last night, it appeared
[10:42] Speaker 1: even more detail about just exactly how the Minister apparently
[10:46] Speaker 1: interacted with these men who better than any politician are
[10:51] Speaker 1: examples of the best possible Australians because they were the
[10:53] Speaker 1: ones who served our nation. Politicians should serve them, the
[10:58] Speaker 1: citizenry should fight for them. This was a question that
[11:02] Speaker 1: was asked by the Shadow Veterans Affairs Minister, Michael McCormack
[11:06] Speaker 1: in Parliament today about the minister's appalling conduct yesterday.
[11:11] Speaker 12: After repeated refusals, the Minister finally agreed to meet with
[11:15] Speaker 12: veterans Aria's cruel cap on their care this morning. One
[11:18] Speaker 12: of those veterans, former Air Force Fighter jet pilot doctor
[11:21] Speaker 12: Tim Nelson, said this about the minister's behavior in that meeting.
[11:24] Speaker 12: He walked into the room, refused to shake our hand,
[11:27] Speaker 12: sat down with his arms crossed, and rolled his eyes.
[11:29] Speaker 12: Will the Minister please apologize for disrespecting veterans by rolling
[11:34] Speaker 12: his eyes at Australian heroes.
[11:36] Speaker 1: Andrew Canel followed the story today and was able to
[11:39] Speaker 1: speak to somebody in the room about the minister's behavior.
[11:44] Speaker 11: On entering, he said hello when took his seat and
[11:47] Speaker 11: said what are you guys here for?
[11:50] Speaker 1: When the minister was confronted by this, presumably knows his
[11:53] Speaker 1: own behavior and I assume is not about to call
[11:56] Speaker 1: these people liars. Did he say sorry? No, he said
[12:02] Speaker 1: the traditional response of this government, which is admit nothing. Ever,
[12:09] Speaker 1: when I.
[12:09] Speaker 12: Came into that room and I met with them and
[12:11] Speaker 12: they were sitting down, I said, relax and I want
[12:13] Speaker 12: to hear what you want to tell me. And I
[12:14] Speaker 12: shook the hands of those people who attended that meeting
[12:16] Speaker 12: as we finished that meeting.
[12:19] Speaker 1: So who's lying the politician with something to lose or
[12:24] Speaker 1: the men who've already lost so much? Again, more evidence
[12:29] Speaker 1: from people inside the room.
[12:32] Speaker 13: Minister Keyo was forced to have a meeting with us
[12:34] Speaker 13: at five point thirty. It was obvious he did not
[12:36] Speaker 13: want to be there. He even let us know that
[12:39] Speaker 13: he was missing an appointment with the Governor General.
[12:42] Speaker 1: Which he was very upset about.
[12:44] Speaker 13: He walked into the room, refused to shake our hand,
[12:48] Speaker 13: sat down with his arms crossed, and rolled his eyes
[12:52] Speaker 13: when we started telling him about the effect that this
[12:55] Speaker 13: cap already is having on veterans.
[13:00] Speaker 1: Service of a nation is supposed to be above politics,
[13:02] Speaker 1: as the Prime Minister said today, even people who disagree
[13:06] Speaker 1: with the war in which the men and women of
[13:08] Speaker 1: our defense forces can be engaged with maximum respect, must
[13:11] Speaker 1: be offered to those who fought it. So again, who
[13:16] Speaker 1: do you think is lying here? It is up to
[13:19] Speaker 1: the Prime Minister to be above politics, to not try
[13:24] Speaker 1: to punish these men because they embarrassed a minister. Not
[13:29] Speaker 1: punish these men who represent many others around the country
[13:33] Speaker 1: and the wider veteran community because the government has been embarrassed.
[13:38] Speaker 1: The Prime Minister should find out what happened in the meeting,
[13:41] Speaker 1: take the appropriate action if necessary, but absolutely above anything
[13:45] Speaker 1: two things. One apologize that they had to force the
[13:50] Speaker 1: government's hand and secondly, get rid of the cap. Does
[13:54] Speaker 1: anyone honestly believe that more than five thousand dollars is
[13:59] Speaker 1: the price for the true respect to keep the people
[14:04] Speaker 1: who return home from war alive in the weeks, months,
[14:08] Speaker 1: and decades after they have served their country. And I
[14:11] Speaker 1: don't care if they've served their country for a day
[14:16] Speaker 1: or for an entire career. They deserve our support. And
[14:21] Speaker 1: there's also some breaking news today from Ben Robert Smith.
[14:23] Speaker 1: Now he's accused of very significant crimes, and he today
[14:27] Speaker 1: at a service marking Vietnam Veterans Day in Harvey Bay,
[14:32] Speaker 1: in front of a crowd of up to five thousand people,
[14:36] Speaker 1: made a comparison between the treatment of the Vietnam veterans
[14:40] Speaker 1: and people of his generation and his war, and by
[14:43] Speaker 1: inference him specifically here. He said today that successive governments
[14:50] Speaker 1: and bureaucrats were letting down those who fought in Afghanistan,
[14:54] Speaker 1: repeating the mistakes of the past treatment of Vietnam veterans.
[14:59] Speaker 1: Too many were met with silence, misunderstanding, or indifference. There
[15:04] Speaker 1: is now another generation of veterans that have been and
[15:08] Speaker 1: continue to be let down by the very officials who
[15:11] Speaker 1: sent them to war. A round of applause followed. Speaking
[15:16] Speaker 1: after the service, mister Robert Smith said that he understood
[15:20] Speaker 1: that the Vietnam veterans went what they went through when
[15:23] Speaker 1: they came home. Now more than ever, I'd like to
[15:28] Speaker 1: think that some of the MPs that are in government
[15:30] Speaker 1: at the moment are going to make an effort to
[15:34] Speaker 1: ensure that we are treated the right way so we
[15:38] Speaker 1: don't have another problem like we did after Vietnam, Ben
[15:43] Speaker 1: Robert Smith. Today in Mackay, we thank everyone for their service,
[15:49] Speaker 1: be it in the Vietnam War, the ones prior, or
[15:51] Speaker 1: the ones subsequent. We all just hope that there is
[15:54] Speaker 1: a government that respects them more and a country who
[15:58] Speaker 1: demands more of our government, regardless of what political stripe
[16:03] Speaker 1: it may well have. Now quite famously, the fire of
[16:08] Speaker 1: the liar campaign from one Nation was one that was
[16:10] Speaker 1: embraced by tens of thousands of people around the country.
[16:14] Speaker 1: It has raised more than five million dollars because the
[16:19] Speaker 1: reality is there's form here. Because, of course, remember what
[16:23] Speaker 1: the Prime Minister promised before the last election. Any rule
[16:29] Speaker 1: that any changes to negative gearing and capital gains.
[16:32] Speaker 10: Tests how hard is it for the fiftieth time?
[16:36] Speaker 1: Yet of course he did exactly that. But apparently they
[16:40] Speaker 1: get out of jail free card was well more young
[16:42] Speaker 1: voters will forgive us and they'll vote for us. And
[16:44] Speaker 1: if the young voters vote for us and the old
[16:46] Speaker 1: voters don't, who cares. We'll just win anyway, Which is
[16:49] Speaker 1: why this is what we had to put up with.
[16:53] Speaker 10: This is a change in our policy.
[16:55] Speaker 14: When you say you changed your position, is that a
[16:57] Speaker 14: concession that you lied?
[17:01] Speaker 10: That's at a statement of fact that we have changed
[17:05] Speaker 10: our position, changing our position.
[17:08] Speaker 1: But lying is nothing new to this government, nothing new
[17:10] Speaker 1: to this Prime minister, nothing new to the political machine
[17:13] Speaker 1: in the Labor Party that stands behind him. Remember when
[17:17] Speaker 1: Pauline Hanson addressed the National press club. The word monoculture
[17:20] Speaker 1: became a subject for too many days. But we had
[17:24] Speaker 1: labor ministers outright lying about what Pauline Hanson had said
[17:28] Speaker 1: about the idea that the national language English is the
[17:31] Speaker 1: one that should be spoken in public spaces. That of
[17:34] Speaker 1: course led to this lie from the Small Business Minister
[17:39] Speaker 1: and spoke a lot about what she wants to take
[17:41] Speaker 1: away from people.
[17:43] Speaker 11: She wants to take away the ability of the tetors
[17:45] Speaker 11: and the nunners and the aas to speak their language
[17:49] Speaker 11: to their grandchildren.
[17:51] Speaker 1: An absolute lie. Well, it seems there's another version of this.
[17:56] Speaker 1: In the past couple of days there's been a conversation
[17:58] Speaker 1: that one nation has been floating that in extreme financial
[18:02] Speaker 1: distress that you should be able to get access to superannuation,
[18:06] Speaker 1: because of course it's not the government's money, it's your money. Remember,
[18:10] Speaker 1: it is a percentage on top of your wage. Of
[18:15] Speaker 1: your wage, the cumulative effect for you to draw down
[18:18] Speaker 1: once you hit the retirement age. As Bunnaby Joyce said
[18:21] Speaker 1: at the time, and.
[18:23] Speaker 15: I think one of the hardships people have is if
[18:25] Speaker 15: they can't feed themselves because of the cost of living,
[18:27] Speaker 15: and another hardship is if they don't have a house
[18:30] Speaker 15: and they put out in the street and they're living
[18:32] Speaker 15: in a car.
[18:33] Speaker 1: Surely it's their money and we should.
[18:34] Speaker 15: Give a little bit more respect about what they can
[18:36] Speaker 15: do with their own money.
[18:38] Speaker 1: Well, this is the latest lie, like the one before
[18:42] Speaker 1: the election, like the one after the election, and now
[18:45] Speaker 1: the one this week about this. Text messages have supposedly
[18:49] Speaker 1: gone out on the behalf of the Labor Party. It's
[18:51] Speaker 1: apparent author, or at least in his name, is Jim Charmers.
[18:55] Speaker 1: The text messages read it's Jim Chalmers here. I'm only
[18:58] Speaker 1: texting support. Yes, I know we can count on. This
[19:02] Speaker 1: is a fundraising drive, so I'll be direct. Andrew Bragg
[19:05] Speaker 1: wants to scrap your super and paul In Hanson's backing him.
[19:09] Speaker 1: Neither of those things are true. Labor built super. I
[19:13] Speaker 1: won't let them tear it down. And then the plead
[19:16] Speaker 1: for forty one dollars in donations. I will doubt that
[19:18] Speaker 1: they'll get five million dollars out of this. A quick
[19:21] Speaker 1: response has come from paul and Hanson. We learn about
[19:23] Speaker 1: the text message via social media and it says it's
[19:27] Speaker 1: Pauline Hansen here. Jim Chalmers is full of shit. One
[19:31] Speaker 1: nation doesn't support scrapping super. We just think that people
[19:34] Speaker 1: should be able to use their super when in financial
[19:37] Speaker 1: distress instead of losing their home. Labour would rather you
[19:40] Speaker 1: end up homeless. We don't expect you to chip in
[19:46] Speaker 1: to our campaign to do the right thing. BIOSI families,
[19:51] Speaker 1: just vote one nation and reference to fire the lie,
[19:54] Speaker 1: which again is still there for people to donate to now.
[19:58] Speaker 1: In fairness, as we discussed last night, there is a
[20:00] Speaker 1: potential access to superannuation for people under extreme financial distress,
[20:05] Speaker 1: and apparently more than a billion dollars has been accessed
[20:08] Speaker 1: in the past twelve months. But they're going to pretend
[20:13] Speaker 1: that they're going to ban you from what you talk
[20:14] Speaker 1: at home. They're going to pretend that they're going to
[20:17] Speaker 1: take away the legal requirement for superannuation. But of course
[20:24] Speaker 1: you should re elect them, despite the fact that they
[20:26] Speaker 1: promised on fifty occasions not to do exactly what they
[20:31] Speaker 1: have now done. All right, the mess of the Swans,
[20:35] Speaker 1: let's quickly get to this as we speak. The board
[20:38] Speaker 1: is meeting as we speak to talk about potential disciplinary
[20:41] Speaker 1: action on the players because of being out too late.
[20:46] Speaker 1: Now we know the latest from the club is this
[20:50] Speaker 1: statement that I'll get to in a moment or two's time,
[20:51] Speaker 1: but earlier in the day this is what was being
[20:53] Speaker 1: provided to the cameras.
[20:55] Speaker 14: I just asked how you sort of reacted to the news.
[20:58] Speaker 14: I can't really comment right, it's investigation ongoing and we
[21:01] Speaker 14: don't have a facts yet.
[21:02] Speaker 12: So obviously extremely disappointed with what's happened, and understand the
[21:07] Speaker 12: questions and we'll update as we as we go the
[21:11] Speaker 12: more information.
[21:12] Speaker 1: Now again, there was some stern conversation from the Victorian
[21:15] Speaker 1: premiere today. Again, remember all of this is currently in
[21:17] Speaker 1: the hands of police.
[21:20] Speaker 16: It is so important that every girl woman not only
[21:27] Speaker 16: feels safe, but is safe and knows that they are
[21:30] Speaker 16: protected and that they can be safe going about their
[21:35] Speaker 16: everyday lives. This is horrible what has been reported. It
[21:40] Speaker 16: is under police investigation. But every young woman, young girl,
[21:45] Speaker 16: every female deserves to be treated with respect.
[21:50] Speaker 1: Now, interestingly, there has been a debate over the past
[21:54] Speaker 1: couple of days about the reaction to things now. Of course,
[21:57] Speaker 1: the reality is as soon as we know more from police,
[22:00] Speaker 1: as soon as if there is a legal proceeding, that
[22:02] Speaker 1: we will learn more throughout that proceeding. But of course,
[22:06] Speaker 1: with so much statement but no knowledge of what's been happening.
[22:11] Speaker 1: There has been a lot of media conversation talking about
[22:14] Speaker 1: the fact that this weekend is the final game of
[22:17] Speaker 1: the regular season and then the Swans will feature prominently
[22:20] Speaker 1: in the finals. If they were to lose players because
[22:23] Speaker 1: of club sanctions, not police sanctions, then that would of
[22:27] Speaker 1: course affect their performance. This is something that the media
[22:30] Speaker 1: have been focused on.
[22:32] Speaker 5: The AFL is facing a sex attack scandal on the
[22:35] Speaker 5: eve of the finals.
[22:36] Speaker 11: Ad Warner and Isaac Keeney, arguably the two best players
[22:39] Speaker 11: on the Swans.
[22:40] Speaker 8: This has got massive ramifications, of course, not just for
[22:43] Speaker 8: the police investigation but for the AFL season.
[22:46] Speaker 11: OU's over to the Swans to decide whether to stand
[22:49] Speaker 11: them down for this week and potentially be on and the.
[22:51] Speaker 13: Team sitting number two on the ladder and the finals
[22:54] Speaker 13: set to start in two weeks.
[22:56] Speaker 7: This is an unmitigated disaster for the Sydney Swans and.
[22:59] Speaker 1: For the day now. In fairness, I understand why what
[23:03] Speaker 1: was said was being said because a potential part of
[23:06] Speaker 1: the story was that multiple high profile players may not
[23:09] Speaker 1: be available to play either this week or into the finals.
[23:12] Speaker 1: That does have a consequence when it comes to football.
[23:15] Speaker 1: But of course this incident is way more important than football.
[23:18] Speaker 1: Whatever is alleged to have taken place will of course
[23:22] Speaker 1: be investigated, and whatever the legal consequences of that, that
[23:25] Speaker 1: is always more important than football. A point made by
[23:28] Speaker 1: meaning including some I'm sure you're not going to be
[23:31] Speaker 1: pleased to see, but plenty across social media in the
[23:34] Speaker 1: past twenty four hours with the hot take about the hot.
[23:37] Speaker 17: Take right now, there is a prioritization of the impacts
[23:44] Speaker 17: of this alleged incident will have on the game.
[23:48] Speaker 5: No one cares how damaging this is to these star players.
[23:52] Speaker 5: The first thing that people think about and it comes
[23:55] Speaker 5: to mind or they want to report on or say,
[23:57] Speaker 5: is how it's going to affect the Sydneys one season.
[24:01] Speaker 1: All fair, but again, the latest that we hear from
[24:04] Speaker 1: the AFL they release the statement around the six pm
[24:06] Speaker 1: news tonight. It says that the woman who made the
[24:09] Speaker 1: report to police is entitled to privacy and care. It
[24:12] Speaker 1: is important that the police process is allowed to run
[24:14] Speaker 1: its course. Sexual assault allegations is serious, regardless of who
[24:18] Speaker 1: is involved, what time of year, and what it may
[24:20] Speaker 1: mean for a season. Our first question should not be
[24:23] Speaker 1: what it means for the football club. It should be
[24:25] Speaker 1: whether our actions match the standards we stand for and
[24:28] Speaker 1: the community expects of us as a sport, as an industry.
[24:32] Speaker 1: We are clear about the standards we expect, the values
[24:36] Speaker 1: that we stand for, and the need to uphold them.
[24:38] Speaker 1: Being clear about our standards also means being prepared to
[24:41] Speaker 1: act when those standards are not meant. The Swans are
[24:44] Speaker 1: still in a meeting right now, it's expected to break
[24:47] Speaker 1: up in this hour, and that is about the potential
[24:49] Speaker 1: early behavior based sanctions that the club may decide to
[24:53] Speaker 1: impose on the players. At the heart of this, again,
[24:56] Speaker 1: the matters to be dealt with by police will eventually
[24:58] Speaker 1: be dealt with by the please but the holding statement
[25:01] Speaker 1: that has come from the Swans tonight, in fact, in
[25:04] Speaker 1: about the past ninety minutes, we respect there is an
[25:07] Speaker 1: ongoing investigation by Victoria Police and any actions we take
[25:10] Speaker 1: are independent of this. The club believes the players are
[25:13] Speaker 1: in serious breach of the expected club behavior and standards,
[25:17] Speaker 1: and it is appropriate to take firm action and highlight
[25:20] Speaker 1: that any sanction we impose relates solely to those breaches.
[25:25] Speaker 1: They continue. The club also acknowledges that the serious allegations
[25:29] Speaker 1: impact others and their well being must be paramount. The
[25:32] Speaker 1: Sydney Swans condemn all forms of abuse and disrespectful behavior
[25:35] Speaker 1: towards women. Any conduct that causes offense or harm to
[25:39] Speaker 1: others is unacceptable and falls well short of our expectations
[25:41] Speaker 1: that women deserve to be respected and feel safe. Again,
[25:46] Speaker 1: they continue but conclude, we also want to acknowledge the
[25:48] Speaker 1: care and welfare of our AFLW athletes and staff is
[25:53] Speaker 1: the uttermost importance to the club. They have been and
[25:58] Speaker 1: will continue to be offered the support they and we
[26:00] Speaker 1: acknowledge the impact of these allegations on our female athletes,
[26:03] Speaker 1: staff members and the wider community. Now obviously you're watching
[26:08] Speaker 1: us last night, but there was a big story that
[26:10] Speaker 1: played out on the ABC last night with four corners,
[26:13] Speaker 1: and this is in relation to aged care. They got
[26:17] Speaker 1: right into the dirty details of an algorithm which is
[26:20] Speaker 1: seriously affecting the type of care that people are able
[26:23] Speaker 1: to get at home.
[26:26] Speaker 9: Less than a year in assesses, Clinicians and aged care
[26:30] Speaker 9: experts say the system is failing. More than a quarter
[26:37] Speaker 9: of a million older Australians are waiting either to be
[26:40] Speaker 9: assessed or to get the full funding they've been approved for.
[26:45] Speaker 6: It's a pure financial decision. This is how much we
[26:48] Speaker 6: can afford, and at I call a calculated denial of service.
[26:52] Speaker 6: Government is making a political calculation that it can get
[26:55] Speaker 6: away with not funding people who itself has assessed us
[26:59] Speaker 6: needing so us.
[27:01] Speaker 1: Senator Karen Little is the Shadow Assistant Minister for Age
[27:06] Speaker 1: Care or is listening to her speech in the Senate
[27:08] Speaker 1: today and she was quite impassionate about what is happening
[27:11] Speaker 1: here and I'm very glad that she's got some time
[27:13] Speaker 1: for us tonight. Senator, what would be an example of
[27:15] Speaker 1: somebody who qualifies or deserves the care, but the algorithm
[27:19] Speaker 1: is denying them of the care.
[27:22] Speaker 5: Well, you know, we have a problem here where Labor
[27:25] Speaker 5: promised that it would deliver dignity, but it's actually forgotten
[27:29] Speaker 5: that care is in aged care. We saw many examples
[27:34] Speaker 5: on that program last night that would have appalled any Australian.
[27:37] Speaker 5: But what is really sad about what we saw and
[27:41] Speaker 5: terrifying is that those things are not new to people
[27:46] Speaker 5: who are trying to get care for their loved ones.
[27:50] Speaker 5: They have been telling us for quite some time that
[27:53] Speaker 5: there are serious problems.
[27:55] Speaker 7: We are seeing the lineup, the the wait.
[28:00] Speaker 5: Lists for people to actually get the care that they've
[28:03] Speaker 5: had approved getting longer, and in this case, back in July,
[28:07] Speaker 5: it was absolutely clear to the Senate that there was
[28:11] Speaker 5: a problem with an algorithm that the government was using
[28:16] Speaker 5: as the assessment tool to determine what the level of
[28:19] Speaker 5: care someone should get. Now, we'd heard a great deal
[28:23] Speaker 5: of evidence in committee hearings prior to that. People were
[28:27] Speaker 5: ringing my office and telling me that they were experiencing
[28:31] Speaker 5: these issues. In July, the Senate said we need to
[28:35] Speaker 5: make sure there is human override.
[28:38] Speaker 7: And that we shouldn't just be listening to the computer,
[28:40] Speaker 7: saying no.
[28:42] Speaker 5: The Labor Party, despite the cross Bench and the Coalition
[28:46] Speaker 5: and the Greens saying there must be human override, said
[28:50] Speaker 5: well no. But today what happened was the Senate again
[28:56] Speaker 5: came back and said it's not just enough to put
[29:00] Speaker 5: human intervention into those assessments.
[29:03] Speaker 7: That algorithm has to be acted.
[29:06] Speaker 5: Last night's program showed Australia what was wrong with this algorithm.
[29:11] Speaker 7: It must be axxed, it can't be fixed.
[29:14] Speaker 5: There were experts that were telling the government that there
[29:17] Speaker 5: was a problem. There have been families that have been
[29:20] Speaker 5: telling Australians and telling the government. I'm sure as they
[29:24] Speaker 5: have been telling me, there is a problem. It is
[29:28] Speaker 5: the government that is ignoring the evidence that is clear
[29:32] Speaker 5: that there is a problem with this assessment tool.
[29:34] Speaker 1: What's the government's supposed defense of this If the majority
[29:37] Speaker 1: of the parliament again all sides of the political spectrum, left,
[29:40] Speaker 1: right and center are lining up against them here, what's
[29:44] Speaker 1: the government's stated reason for why they're sticking with it
[29:47] Speaker 1: until inevitably, hopefully they don't.
[29:50] Speaker 5: Well, it's extraordinary that all of that evidence is put
[29:53] Speaker 5: before them and they still say no. It just seems
[29:56] Speaker 5: to be a bloody mindedness. People cannot afford to wait
[30:00] Speaker 5: any longer. Older Australians don't have a lot of time left.
[30:05] Speaker 5: They should be treated with dignity and respect. They have
[30:09] Speaker 5: contributed significantly to our country. They have people that love them.
[30:13] Speaker 5: There is nothing worse than watching desperately when someone you
[30:19] Speaker 5: love can't get the care that they deserve and that
[30:21] Speaker 5: they should have, and worse that they've been assessed that
[30:25] Speaker 5: they need or in this case, that a computer said no,
[30:29] Speaker 5: they don't need it. There is no potential with this
[30:33] Speaker 5: algorithm right now for humans to override it, and that
[30:37] Speaker 5: is wrong. But we now know, particularly from watching the
[30:39] Speaker 5: program last night, when if you get a single question wrong,
[30:43] Speaker 5: it can change from tens of thousands of dollars what
[30:46] Speaker 5: support you actually assessed to get.
[30:48] Speaker 7: And that's simply not good enough.
[30:50] Speaker 1: And we are talking here about people who are suffering
[30:53] Speaker 1: while they are waiting, some people that are dying while
[30:56] Speaker 1: they are waiting. Again, with the majority of the Parliament
[30:59] Speaker 1: in a position to be able to presumably shape legislation,
[31:04] Speaker 1: to form motions, to be able to put pressure back
[31:06] Speaker 1: on the government, what happens next from those that are
[31:09] Speaker 1: trying to put pressure upon the government. What do we
[31:11] Speaker 1: expect out of the Senate this week and in the
[31:14] Speaker 1: coming weeks.
[31:15] Speaker 5: Well, we will keep pushing because you mentioned that number before.
[31:18] Speaker 5: There were nearly five thousand people that died in twenty
[31:22] Speaker 5: twenty four or twenty five who had an approved care.
[31:26] Speaker 7: Plan that they didn't get the support for.
[31:28] Speaker 5: We've also seen people getting assessed for care and only
[31:32] Speaker 5: getting a portion of the care that they've been assessed
[31:35] Speaker 5: to get. It's not a lottery. It shouldn't be a lottery.
[31:38] Speaker 5: If you're assessed at needing a certain level of care,
[31:41] Speaker 5: you should be able to access that level of care
[31:43] Speaker 5: within a certain period of time. South Australia, my home
[31:47] Speaker 5: state is one of the worst performers in the country.
[31:50] Speaker 7: We've even got the state government.
[31:51] Speaker 5: They're putting people up in hotels because there's no bed
[31:55] Speaker 5: for them or there's not sufficient care for them anywhere else.
[31:58] Speaker 5: We've also heard this week, so the government likes to
[32:00] Speaker 5: talk big about its support for women, but we've also
[32:03] Speaker 5: heard that it is women that will be significantly and
[32:06] Speaker 5: disproportionately impacted as they care for elderly relatives. That is
[32:10] Speaker 5: going to impact them significantly. And so it's clear they're
[32:15] Speaker 5: not listening to the experts, they're not listening to their
[32:18] Speaker 5: colleagues in the Parliament, they're not listening to families.
[32:22] Speaker 7: I don't know.
[32:23] Speaker 5: We will just keep pushing and pushing because surely they
[32:26] Speaker 5: can't continue to ignore the overwhelming evidence.
[32:30] Speaker 1: Absolutely well, strength your hand as you continue that advocacy. Again,
[32:34] Speaker 1: well done on that speech in the Parliament. The issue
[32:36] Speaker 1: is too important to be ignored. Thank you, Senator, Thank you,
[32:40] Speaker 1: Thank you Erry Little there joining us from Canberra. All right,
[32:43] Speaker 1: quick break back with more lots to talk about, including
[32:45] Speaker 1: a plan from the government to kind of rule forever,
[32:49] Speaker 1: forever power when it comes to universities. I'll explain all
[32:52] Speaker 1: in a moment or two time. Believe me, this one's
[32:55] Speaker 1: going to get your head shaking. Thank you so much
[32:56] Speaker 1: for watching, and a big announcement when it comes to
[32:58] Speaker 1: basketball before we are done to night on PULMURRAI Live.
[33:01] Speaker 1: You're in exactly the right place News twenty four on
[33:04] Speaker 1: a Tuesday night. Thank you so much watching. Let's get
[33:10] Speaker 1: straight into it right now. Stephen Conroy normally on a Wednesday,
[33:12] Speaker 1: joins us on a Tuesday right now, always just here
[33:14] Speaker 1: to help. Isn't he love you to see him as
[33:16] Speaker 1: he's the great roscadel the center from US sob well's
[33:18] Speaker 1: the National Party man. He is in Canberra. So we're
[33:21] Speaker 1: going to talk about the veterans scenario here again. Stephen.
[33:25] Speaker 1: You know what it is like to be a minister.
[33:28] Speaker 1: You know what it's like to sometimes have to implement
[33:30] Speaker 1: a hard line that somebody else has imposed upon you. However,
[33:34] Speaker 1: there is an interpersonal way in which you have to
[33:36] Speaker 1: deal with people, and all constituencies are important, but I
[33:40] Speaker 1: would suggest the disability community, the age community and the
[33:43] Speaker 1: veterans community are among the most to be respected when
[33:46] Speaker 1: they come to Canberra. Now again, the government says the
[33:50] Speaker 1: five thousand dollars cap if you go through it. You
[33:52] Speaker 1: can still go through it if somebody gives you the
[33:54] Speaker 1: tick to go through it. But is the Minister sort
[33:57] Speaker 1: of inferring here that the blokes that he met with, yes,
[34:00] Speaker 1: that I aren't telling the truth, because I think they
[34:02] Speaker 1: are telling the truth.
[34:06] Speaker 4: Well, they've obviously got some genuinely held concerns and it's
[34:11] Speaker 4: important that the meeting took place. It's important that their
[34:15] Speaker 4: views were director to the minister, and I think that
[34:20] Speaker 4: was a good thing in terms of what happened in
[34:23] Speaker 4: the room. Obviously there's different characterizations of what happened. I
[34:28] Speaker 4: wasn't in the room. The minister has views how he behaved.
[34:34] Speaker 4: Some of the veterans have spoken publicly about how they
[34:37] Speaker 4: felt the meeting went. So there's a genuine disagreement. But
[34:40] Speaker 4: in terms of policy principle behind what the government advertating,
[34:45] Speaker 4: it's important that they take feedback that they listened to
[34:48] Speaker 4: the concerned stakeholders.
[34:51] Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean also here, Senator, it's pretty obvious that
[34:54] Speaker 1: this cap should disappear. I mean again, the government's trying
[34:57] Speaker 1: to pretend to say, well, look, yes the cap exists,
[34:59] Speaker 1: but nobody really going to be denied if they go
[35:01] Speaker 1: past the cap. Well then why does the cap exist
[35:04] Speaker 1: at all?
[35:06] Speaker 14: It was an amazing thing. I happen to be in
[35:08] Speaker 14: estimates when we're asking the questions on this, And what's
[35:11] Speaker 14: amazing to me, they've hit this right across the entiree
[35:15] Speaker 14: tire field of our veterans, someone who needed a great deal.
[35:18] Speaker 14: When they said it was two providers that were causing
[35:21] Speaker 14: the problems, I think one was a dietitian who builds
[35:24] Speaker 14: someone for over one hundred and twenty thousand dollars. They
[35:27] Speaker 14: had to see them every day, and for sure a
[35:29] Speaker 14: second take it on a notice. It might have been
[35:31] Speaker 14: a podiatrist or something like that. Two people, two practices
[35:35] Speaker 14: build over one hundred thousand dollars for a number of clients.
[35:38] Speaker 14: Not a single action against the people billing the taxpayers,
[35:42] Speaker 14: taking advantage of the veterans. But they punish all veterans
[35:45] Speaker 14: with this cap. It's just a stupid reason to roll
[35:48] Speaker 14: it out. And if you're not going to go after
[35:49] Speaker 14: the guys that are rauding the system, why go after
[35:51] Speaker 14: the guys that are benefiting the system. And I've got mates,
[35:54] Speaker 14: I've got you know, James from up at Scone. I
[35:57] Speaker 14: went and saw him. He'll use that in a month
[35:59] Speaker 14: getting over multiple problems. The other guys you know, ten
[36:02] Speaker 14: years my younger, and it needs to be in hospital
[36:04] Speaker 14: all the time. It's not good enough. It needs to
[36:06] Speaker 14: be wound back. We're hearing the government may maybe winding
[36:09] Speaker 14: it back that would be a win. But it was
[36:11] Speaker 14: just a sad way to have to go to get it.
[36:14] Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean again and also look, I mean we've
[36:16] Speaker 1: seen when it comes to the ndies four billion dollars
[36:18] Speaker 1: in and around in fraud. I was going to mention
[36:20] Speaker 1: this in the editorial tonight. More than one hundred criminals
[36:23] Speaker 1: and dodgy consultants have been banned from the scheme, including
[36:28] Speaker 1: a scenario involving somebody who was trying to flee the country.
[36:31] Speaker 1: So yes, rather than shutting down the scheme, then, obviously
[36:35] Speaker 1: it's those that are abusing it, and obviously the people
[36:37] Speaker 1: who are using the ones abusing and those that are
[36:41] Speaker 1: building back to the taxpay it seems to be the problem.
[36:43] Speaker 1: So hopefully this is one of those ones where it's
[36:46] Speaker 1: taken too long, it's taken too much pressure. There'll be
[36:48] Speaker 1: pride involved, but put all that ego to a side.
[36:51] Speaker 1: It's not about teams. It's about to taken care of
[36:54] Speaker 1: those service people, and hopefully that cap gets removed. Now,
[36:57] Speaker 1: the Raw Commission into Anti Semitism and Social Cohesion. I've
[37:01] Speaker 1: had my issues with this all the way through because
[37:04] Speaker 1: the Prime Minister never wanted it, so of course he
[37:07] Speaker 1: ended up having it. Then we learned on the first
[37:09] Speaker 1: day of it that they couldn't take any evidence from
[37:12] Speaker 1: people about what happened at Bondi, which of course is
[37:14] Speaker 1: the reason the Royal Commission was taking place at all,
[37:17] Speaker 1: even though somebody had been charged with the murders, meaning
[37:21] Speaker 1: all of this was known before the thing started. Then,
[37:24] Speaker 1: of course there was the interim Report, which was delivered
[37:27] Speaker 1: before an even single person's evidence had been given. There
[37:31] Speaker 1: was the bizarre cross examination of the Jewish community about
[37:35] Speaker 1: the actions of the Israeli government. And of course in
[37:39] Speaker 1: recent days we've heard that people like Josh Friedenberg have
[37:41] Speaker 1: not been invited to attend. So the opposition tried to
[37:45] Speaker 1: extend it. Today the government literally voted against it. Ross.
[37:51] Speaker 1: Surely this is one of those things where the idea
[37:55] Speaker 1: that a problem is significant as this, the idea that
[37:57] Speaker 1: it was all supposed to be wrapped up in a
[38:00] Speaker 1: nice bow by the anniversary. Well, if the issues are deeper,
[38:04] Speaker 1: then it goes longer. That happens with virtually every Royal
[38:07] Speaker 1: commission that I can think of.
[38:10] Speaker 14: Yeah, but this isn't a real Royal commissioner, you know,
[38:13] Speaker 14: showing my age and you'll get this.
[38:14] Speaker 1: I think you know.
[38:15] Speaker 14: This is the Clayton's Royal Commission. It's the one you
[38:17] Speaker 14: have when you don't really want one. He got backed
[38:19] Speaker 14: into a corner. He didn't want the terms of reference done.
[38:22] Speaker 14: He didn't want anyone out there this is not to
[38:24] Speaker 14: find the reasons this happened and make recommendations to stop
[38:28] Speaker 14: it again. It was a raw commission caused to stop
[38:30] Speaker 14: the political pressure on the government at that time. And
[38:34] Speaker 14: you know, as you said, Josh hasn't been able to
[38:36] Speaker 14: give evidence. A lot of people were hearing exasy o.
[38:39] Speaker 14: People that from overseas that have real, real knowledge of
[38:42] Speaker 14: what we're on and how it went on, can't get
[38:44] Speaker 14: visas to come back to Australia to make a contribution
[38:47] Speaker 14: to this.
[38:48] Speaker 1: These things have.
[38:49] Speaker 14: Already been written. I feel sorry for the commissioner. She's
[38:52] Speaker 14: been given a job to do that isn't in the
[38:54] Speaker 14: skill you know, probably not what she wants and they
[38:57] Speaker 14: just want to tick this box and move on and
[38:58] Speaker 14: say we held a royal commission. It needs to go longer,
[39:01] Speaker 14: it needs to go bigger, and it needs to get
[39:03] Speaker 14: to the root issues of what caused this problem and
[39:05] Speaker 14: not just allow cover up.
[39:07] Speaker 1: Well and again, if the government can learn something from it,
[39:09] Speaker 1: perhaps they could learn from their own actions. If there's
[39:11] Speaker 1: a clean Billy health, well then we all find out together.
[39:14] Speaker 1: But Stephen somebody who did give evidence todays, doctor David Gonski,
[39:17] Speaker 1: of course, a man who's expertise in and around the
[39:19] Speaker 1: education funding system is of his greatest prominence. We know
[39:23] Speaker 1: he's had plenty of other things to say on many
[39:25] Speaker 1: other issues, and he was saying to the Commission today
[39:28] Speaker 1: that more ethics classes in schools, more ethics being part
[39:32] Speaker 1: of business training, would be a way for people to deal,
[39:36] Speaker 1: particularly with the issues of antisemitism and social cohesion. Would
[39:40] Speaker 1: you agree with that? And how do you feel about
[39:41] Speaker 1: the debate about how long the Commission is going to go?
[39:47] Speaker 4: Well to say, I'm disappointed with the conspiracy theories that
[39:51] Speaker 4: Ross has just peddled. I think the evidence has been compelling.
[39:57] Speaker 4: I think the terms of reference that have brought forward
[40:02] Speaker 4: all of the submissions and not everybody could get to
[40:07] Speaker 4: appear that wanted to appear.
[40:10] Speaker 1: But to try and suggest are.
[40:11] Speaker 4: Some conspiracy to deny anybody a chance to give the evidence.
[40:17] Speaker 4: I just find that a disappointing conspiracy in terms of
[40:21] Speaker 4: you know, this is a horrendous event. There were always
[40:25] Speaker 4: going to be legal complications in terms of a trial
[40:29] Speaker 4: starting and wanting to ensure that the traditions of legal
[40:35] Speaker 4: system are upheld so that there isn't an ability to
[40:40] Speaker 4: influence unfairly in the lead up to a trial. So
[40:45] Speaker 4: there was always going to be that complexity in terms
[40:49] Speaker 4: of the outcomes. I mean, I'd rather wait to see
[40:54] Speaker 4: what the findings and recommendations are.
[41:00] Speaker 1: Support the holding of.
[41:01] Speaker 4: The Royal Commission what it's dealing with. But the sort
[41:05] Speaker 4: of conspiracy theory Ross's pedal is just disappointing.
[41:09] Speaker 1: Forgive me, I got to jump here because we've got
[41:11] Speaker 1: an important reference when it comes to basketball and a
[41:13] Speaker 1: moment two time. What I wanted to mention about Forever
[41:16] Speaker 1: Power was to do with university's university funding. But I
[41:18] Speaker 1: might say that over for tomorrow night and granted detail,
[41:21] Speaker 1: it's pretty extraordinary. Thank you senators, both current and format.
[41:23] Speaker 1: We'll talk to you all again very soon, quick break
[41:25] Speaker 1: back with more big announcement for the great spport of basketball.
[41:27] Speaker 1: And then before we had done the absurdity that happens
[41:31] Speaker 1: when it comes to those social media videos politicians put
[41:34] Speaker 1: out each and every day. Thanks for watching Paul Murray
[41:36] Speaker 1: live on a Tuesday night. Basketball has never been hotter
[41:42] Speaker 1: in Australia than it is right now. Harvey Norman very
[41:45] Speaker 1: big supporters of the sports, specifically of the Sydney Kings.
[41:48] Speaker 1: Brian Gorgian is a legend of Australian basketball. Don't let
[41:52] Speaker 1: the accent fool you. He is, of course the head
[41:54] Speaker 1: coach of the Kings. Renee Garp is the head coach
[41:58] Speaker 1: of the Flames and they both joined us. Very good, Braun.
[42:02] Speaker 1: You're an absolute legend of Australian basketball with Putty A
[42:06] Speaker 1: Steins with the Boomers, the Kings and a lot of
[42:09] Speaker 1: passion for the sport. What does the announcement mean to
[42:11] Speaker 1: you that having woman re up their commitment to this
[42:14] Speaker 1: great sport.
[42:16] Speaker 18: It's it's been a long, long term relationship and a
[42:20] Speaker 18: strong relationship and just really thankful for their support and
[42:26] Speaker 18: it just enables us, really helps us build build the
[42:31] Speaker 18: team and the program to be a championship contender, which
[42:35] Speaker 18: which we're trying to be a year after year.
[42:38] Speaker 2: And it's more than just game day, just.
[42:41] Speaker 18: Our ability now to go out and get into the
[42:45] Speaker 18: community and grow the game of basketball and promote Harvey
[42:50] Speaker 18: Norman and I think it A good example of this
[42:53] Speaker 18: is is what's taking place this weekend with the Harvey
[42:57] Speaker 18: Harvey Norman Clinic and camps in the Central Court, Central Coast,
[43:03] Speaker 18: where we're going to get out there and get into
[43:05] Speaker 18: the community and.
[43:08] Speaker 2: Grow the sport and the relationship Renee.
[43:12] Speaker 1: I know that the Future Flames program is a big
[43:14] Speaker 1: one that Harving Norman has backed in, but this is
[43:17] Speaker 1: about trying to make sure that there is a pathway
[43:19] Speaker 1: from the little girls who dream of playing to being
[43:22] Speaker 1: the teenagers who can start to think about it being
[43:25] Speaker 1: the young women who can.
[43:28] Speaker 19: Yeah, absolutely incredibly grateful to Harvey Norman for all the
[43:32] Speaker 19: support that they've given us, and I think particularly to
[43:35] Speaker 19: see the impact it's had with the Future Flames to
[43:38] Speaker 19: deliver a program thanks to them and their support to
[43:42] Speaker 19: give the girls pretty much bridge the gap between junior
[43:45] Speaker 19: basketball to senior basketball and for us to pick our
[43:48] Speaker 19: development players from that program and give them a real
[43:51] Speaker 19: life experience of what it's like to be a professional athlete.
[43:54] Speaker 19: And then this year we've elevated. We had a development player,
[43:58] Speaker 19: Easy Morgan last year as a DP and now she's
[44:01] Speaker 19: a roster player. So to have that support and backing
[44:04] Speaker 19: from Harvey Norman just has had an incredible impact.
[44:07] Speaker 1: Brian. The growth of the game. It is pretty extraordinary
[44:10] Speaker 1: that there's not a week where you don't go without
[44:13] Speaker 1: a sellout or very close to a sellout. Of course,
[44:16] Speaker 1: plea of championships, of racing times. What do you put
[44:19] Speaker 1: it down to at the moment about why the sport
[44:21] Speaker 1: in particularly the Kings is doing so well.
[44:26] Speaker 18: I just think the grass roots and just the success
[44:30] Speaker 18: of players in the NBA. There's role models. Now we
[44:36] Speaker 18: have NBA players, we have a great national team. And
[44:43] Speaker 18: again from the time I came over here in the
[44:46] Speaker 18: seventies to now, the amount of courts that have been built,
[44:50] Speaker 18: the amount of kids playing, the communities that we've got
[44:54] Speaker 18: into the indigenous community, the Sutanese community has now made
[45:00] Speaker 18: our basketball the NBL in the top couple competitions in
[45:05] Speaker 18: the world.
[45:07] Speaker 1: Now. Also we've seen the growth again, as we said,
[45:10] Speaker 1: in the women's league professionally. But what's participation like RENEE
[45:14] Speaker 1: at the junior level. Is it something that is every
[45:18] Speaker 1: year ticking up? Does it need a little more growth?
[45:20] Speaker 1: Tell us about the young women who are starting to
[45:24] Speaker 1: play the sport.
[45:26] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[45:26] Speaker 19: Absolutely, I think that it's definitely growing and it's getting
[45:30] Speaker 19: bigger and bigger. There's a lot of young girls that
[45:33] Speaker 19: love playing basketball, and I'm really excited to hopefully, kind
[45:37] Speaker 19: of with this new chapter for the Flames, that we
[45:39] Speaker 19: can bring more and more people on the journey with
[45:41] Speaker 19: us and continue to inspire more young girls to play basketball.
[45:45] Speaker 1: Look, I'd love to ask you questions about controversies and
[45:47] Speaker 1: both the NBA and the WNBA, but let's talk about
[45:51] Speaker 1: the NBL and the domestic market and how the competition
[45:55] Speaker 1: is changing and constantly changing for the better. Again, Brian,
[45:59] Speaker 1: You've saying it in many different stages. You've said it
[46:02] Speaker 1: when it's been on TV, not on TV, when the
[46:05] Speaker 1: stadiums are as full as they are. Now, what do
[46:07] Speaker 1: you need to do to maintain the growth in the sport?
[46:13] Speaker 18: I think the leveling of it is just that the
[46:16] Speaker 18: reality of it being a world competition, it's it's it's
[46:21] Speaker 18: played all over the world in our Grand Final series.
[46:24] Speaker 18: I spent time with the New York Knicks in the
[46:27] Speaker 18: off season. I know the Lakers, the people at the Lakers,
[46:31] Speaker 18: and all of those people.
[46:32] Speaker 2: Were engaged in our Grand Final series.
[46:35] Speaker 18: So when our sport took place initially and took its
[46:40] Speaker 18: big jump in the nineties, just social media and the
[46:44] Speaker 18: fact that we can promote that this is a world game,
[46:48] Speaker 18: not just a game played in Australia. So you know
[46:52] Speaker 18: we do we do tours, We're in in communities.
[46:56] Speaker 2: All over the world now.
[46:58] Speaker 18: So the fact that it's a world sport, the TV package,
[47:04] Speaker 18: the way, the strength and the running of the league.
[47:08] Speaker 2: Larry Kesselman in the n b L it's it's it's.
[47:12] Speaker 18: It's secure now, it's well run, uh and it's I
[47:16] Speaker 18: think that side of it is respected around the world
[47:20] Speaker 18: and the people that were attracting from overseas to play
[47:24] Speaker 18: here recognize that it's a great place to get developed,
[47:29] Speaker 18: it's a great place to live, and the competition in
[47:32] Speaker 18: the league is run right along with the top country
[47:37] Speaker 18: with the top competitions in the world.
[47:40] Speaker 1: Wen I, I'm sure of course you remember the great
[47:43] Speaker 1: run of the Knicks, but of course we all know
[47:45] Speaker 1: the only reason that I were able to get to
[47:47] Speaker 1: the championship is because w w A superstar Dan has
[47:50] Speaker 1: an uncursed the Knicks. So is there a team you
[47:54] Speaker 1: would like to curse in the w n B L
[47:58] Speaker 1: Is is there an arch rival that you would like
[48:00] Speaker 1: to take the curse that was off the Knicks and
[48:03] Speaker 1: to be placed upon them so they cannot win for decades?
[48:08] Speaker 1: You know what?
[48:08] Speaker 7: It's funny.
[48:09] Speaker 19: I don't know if we've actually got any rivals in
[48:12] Speaker 19: the w NBO just yet, but that's something I think
[48:15] Speaker 19: is the league's growing, you'd love to develop because those
[48:17] Speaker 19: stories are always massive and they're the best games to watch.
[48:21] Speaker 7: So I mean, I'd just like to put it properly
[48:23] Speaker 7: on everyone.
[48:23] Speaker 2: At this stage.
[48:24] Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, Look, you know we often talk about politics
[48:28] Speaker 1: on this program. There's very a good political answer for you, Brian.
[48:31] Speaker 1: Is there any is there any a nation that needs
[48:33] Speaker 1: the curse or team that deserves the curse that the
[48:37] Speaker 1: Knicks was able to get rid of?
[48:39] Speaker 2: Well?
[48:39] Speaker 18: I think for us, you know, the Boomers and that
[48:44] Speaker 18: trying to win that gold medal. If we're going to
[48:47] Speaker 18: put a curse on anybody and be Team USA, that
[48:52] Speaker 18: would that would definitely put Lebron in and KD and
[48:57] Speaker 18: those guys.
[48:58] Speaker 2: Over there and put a little curse on them and
[49:00] Speaker 2: give us a chance.
[49:00] Speaker 18: Instead of getting Rose gold, get into that gold medal.
[49:04] Speaker 2: I'm tweling Moor next next Olympics.
[49:07] Speaker 1: Well, as Dan has would say, you are cursed all right.
[49:10] Speaker 1: Thank you guys, do appreciate it. Congrats to Harvey Norman
[49:13] Speaker 1: of course for their ongoing commitment of the Sydney Flames,
[49:16] Speaker 1: the Sydney Kings, their commitment to basketball, their commitment to
[49:19] Speaker 1: sport in Australia. Brian Renee, love you to talk to you.
[49:21] Speaker 2: Thank you.
[49:27] Speaker 1: While you were working they were playing games in Canberra.
[49:29] Speaker 1: That they are the politicians and the staffers who are
[49:32] Speaker 1: paid to make rubbish like this for social media, and
[49:43] Speaker 1: this garbage from the member for Pine Rivers.
[49:47] Speaker 7: I hang on one sex, sorry mate, I really need pockets. Amazing.
[49:54] Speaker 7: Let's do it all right.
[49:56] Speaker 1: Behind the scenes of boring social media video. It's a
[49:59] Speaker 1: whole new way of wh stading your time and money.
[50:01] Speaker 1: Here's a late debate mhm.

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