# Paul Murray Live | 4 November

An episode of [Paul Murray Live](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/376966263), 4 Nov 2025, 49 min.

Audio: https://p.podderapp.com/2544644999/traffic.omny.fm/d/clips/2fb3740d-3436-44af-8cc0-a91900716aa5/be3abd48-25e5-45a6-aede-ac2a00524a12/af4aa3c0-23d4-448e-85dd-b38b00c05922/audio.mp3?utm_source=Podcast&in_playlist=95971714-8fe6-4855-b1fe-ac2a00524a12

ASIO boss Mike Burgess delivers damning new security warnings, a massive $841m public sector wage blowout tests Labor’s spending limits. Plus, a female jockey stuns with a historic double win. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:00] Speaker 1: From the Sky Center. This is Paul Murray Live. Thank you, Sharry,
[0:06] Speaker 1: always wonderful guest. That speech is very significant. It still continues.
[0:11] Speaker 1: There are no doubt more highlights to come. We'll turn
[0:13] Speaker 1: them around and make sure that you see them otherwise.
[0:15] Speaker 1: We watch it all live right now over on Sky
[0:17] Speaker 1: News Extra. That's the box and you can go finding
[0:20] Speaker 1: him on the app or on the fox Stool platform.
[0:23] Speaker 1: All right, lock to get to tonight, including yet another
[0:26] Speaker 1: opinion poll tells us what we already know. Australian's had enough.
[0:28] Speaker 1: When it comes to huge amounts of migration. It's not
[0:32] Speaker 1: about culture, it's about the number of people that are
[0:34] Speaker 1: here and the problems that that causes. We'll discuss that.
[0:37] Speaker 1: Can you believe that there are local councils that are
[0:39] Speaker 1: now telling people about how many pets they can have
[0:41] Speaker 1: at home?
[0:42] Speaker 2: Now?
[0:42] Speaker 1: I get it. None of us are huge fans of
[0:44] Speaker 1: the Crazy Cat Lady or the Crazy Cat Feller, but
[0:47] Speaker 1: literally telling you how many pets you can have? Okay,
[0:50] Speaker 1: And the great Nigel Farus the only place you'll see
[0:52] Speaker 1: them on Australian TV is here. He's got lots to say,
[0:55] Speaker 1: including some big plans when it comes to the United
[0:57] Speaker 1: Kingdom's economy. All of that matters, why because Polse say
[1:00] Speaker 1: it could be their next prime minister. But first, something
[1:05] Speaker 1: you have not heard thus far. And yes, we will
[1:07] Speaker 1: talk about everything from net zero to the Reserve Bank tonight,
[1:11] Speaker 1: but I want to talk about how those in power
[1:13] Speaker 1: at the federal, state and local level spend your money
[1:17] Speaker 1: otherwise known as other people's money freely available to them,
[1:21] Speaker 1: of which they pedal up against the wall, occasionally so
[1:24] Speaker 1: hard they could move a brick. Dare I say, now,
[1:27] Speaker 1: let's be honest, all of us are actually okay with
[1:29] Speaker 1: the concept that Australia is a country where, yes, we
[1:34] Speaker 1: pay our taxes and we expect in return for that
[1:37] Speaker 1: that we can have access to incredible services, but more importantly,
[1:41] Speaker 1: that people who are less fortunate than us have the
[1:45] Speaker 1: opportunity to get those services. Right. Of course, the tax
[1:49] Speaker 1: office does this ohso regularly every fortnight every month. However
[1:54] Speaker 1: you do, and if you can scrape a little bit
[1:56] Speaker 1: back when it comes to a tax return, good luck
[1:58] Speaker 1: to you. All of that is, of course, so we
[2:00] Speaker 1: can have working hospitals, we can have plentiful schools, we
[2:03] Speaker 1: can have quality roads. On all three of those of course,
[2:06] Speaker 1: we know that our country is failing. But there is
[2:10] Speaker 1: one area of government spending that I thought you should
[2:13] Speaker 1: know about, and this is the federal level. Before I
[2:17] Speaker 1: show you, how much money do you think that the
[2:20] Speaker 1: federal government spends? Are you and me? But the federal government?
[2:24] Speaker 1: This federal government spends on public servants. A couple of
[2:29] Speaker 1: billion dollars. No, this many billion dollars. Have a look.
[2:37] Speaker 1: The total cost now of the Australian public service is
[2:39] Speaker 1: very close to thirty three zero billion dollars. Thirty billion dollars.
[2:48] Speaker 1: That number, by the way, has blown out in the
[2:51] Speaker 1: past twelve months. Why because the Labor Party wants to
[2:54] Speaker 1: increase what do we like to say the triangle of dependence.
[2:59] Speaker 1: This does not so prize me, it does not surprise you.
[3:01] Speaker 1: But have a look at some of these numbers. Eight
[3:05] Speaker 1: hundred and forty one million dollars was overspent on public
[3:08] Speaker 1: sector wages for fourteen departments in the financial year twenty
[3:13] Speaker 1: four to twenty five. It could contribute to higher government spending,
[3:17] Speaker 1: already forecast to hit twenty seven percent of gross domestic
[3:23] Speaker 1: product if labor increases departmental spending allowances to ease pressure
[3:29] Speaker 1: to cut costs. Now, Australia is at a fork in
[3:32] Speaker 1: a road, and I know that we've had an election
[3:35] Speaker 1: where to even have a discussion about a reduction in
[3:37] Speaker 1: the number of public servants resulted in hair being set
[3:41] Speaker 1: on fire and cuts cuts cuts, and as soon as
[3:43] Speaker 1: that word is used in labor parties, off to the races.
[3:47] Speaker 1: Thirty billion dollars. Can we go back to the original
[3:52] Speaker 1: graph again? This is put together by the Parliamentary Budget
[3:54] Speaker 1: Office and a reporter for the Financial Review. But let's
[3:57] Speaker 1: have a look at the cost of the Australian public
[4:00] Speaker 1: service in twenty twenty was a third less at twenty billion.
[4:08] Speaker 1: The cost of the public service has gone from twenty
[4:11] Speaker 1: ten when it was what fifteen billion to now thirty
[4:14] Speaker 1: billion dollars. The Australian population has not effectively doubled since
[4:21] Speaker 1: twenty ten, but the overall cost of public servants and yes,
[4:26] Speaker 1: included in this are members of the military. I understand that.
[4:29] Speaker 1: But still the total amount of public servant wages is
[4:34] Speaker 1: now thirty billion dollars. Now, this country this year will
[4:41] Speaker 1: go into a trillion dollars debt. Our budgets are in
[4:47] Speaker 1: deficit for the next forty years and this bill only
[4:51] Speaker 1: goes up, our capacity to pay that bill only goes down.
[4:57] Speaker 1: But because the triangle of dependence means that you either
[5:01] Speaker 1: work for the government, you've got like fifty percent of
[5:06] Speaker 1: people in this country your major source of income coming
[5:09] Speaker 1: from the government or the government if you're in private
[5:13] Speaker 1: business is your biggest client. Nobody rocks the boat. More
[5:16] Speaker 1: public servants in more seats means a message about cutting
[5:19] Speaker 1: back on public servants, or at least holding the number
[5:21] Speaker 1: at where it currently is, means everyone, well certainly in
[5:26] Speaker 1: the public service, loses their bottle and it can determine elections. Now,
[5:32] Speaker 1: when we turn around and say, how did you try
[5:35] Speaker 1: to get into two trillion dollars debt? Were currently one
[5:37] Speaker 1: trillion dollars debt, this would be one of the reasons. Now,
[5:42] Speaker 1: to give you an idea. By the way, the median
[5:45] Speaker 1: wage in Australia is eighty eight four hundred dollars okay,
[5:51] Speaker 1: of that you pay about seventeen three hundred dollars in tax.
[5:57] Speaker 1: So it would take to pay for the blowout in
[6:01] Speaker 1: the public service in the past twelve months eight hundred
[6:04] Speaker 1: and forty two million dollars forty eight thousand, five hundred
[6:09] Speaker 1: and ninety people who earn the median age and all
[6:15] Speaker 1: of the tax that they pay. Is there a problem
[6:20] Speaker 1: with our system now? Of course the government wants to
[6:24] Speaker 1: grow the public service because of that triangle of dependence.
[6:28] Speaker 1: The government doesn't care if we run into deficit or
[6:32] Speaker 1: surplus because there's a credit card. And the reality is
[6:36] Speaker 1: that most Australian voters couldn't care less because they too
[6:39] Speaker 1: have put their life on the credit card. We collectively
[6:41] Speaker 1: have all often borrowed way more than we will ever
[6:45] Speaker 1: be able to pay back, and we fingers cross hope
[6:48] Speaker 1: that there's some sort of financial complunk at some point
[6:50] Speaker 1: which will be able to pay for the back nine
[6:52] Speaker 1: of our lives. That's the federal example. And you've got
[6:57] Speaker 1: a Prime Minister and you've got a Treasurer who just know,
[7:02] Speaker 1: grow the triangle of dependence, you grow your majority in
[7:05] Speaker 1: the parliament. The debt is for another generation. Now, of
[7:09] Speaker 1: course we must have massive action on climate change because
[7:11] Speaker 1: the next generation shouldn't have to pay for the mistakes
[7:14] Speaker 1: of the previous. Well, why is the same logic there
[7:17] Speaker 1: when it comes to debt. Australia was debt free in
[7:21] Speaker 1: two thousand and seven twenty twenty five. The public service
[7:26] Speaker 1: has gone from as I showed you before, fifteen billion
[7:30] Speaker 1: dollars to our thirty billion dollars. The debt this year
[7:33] Speaker 1: goes over trillion dollars. Forty years of budget deficits means
[7:37] Speaker 1: we will get to one or two trillion dollars. But
[7:42] Speaker 1: will people care? Probably not? Why because that triangle keeps
[7:45] Speaker 1: growing until eventually it is the whole shape of the
[7:49] Speaker 1: way that our country works. That's other people's money at
[7:51] Speaker 1: the federal level. What about an example of it at
[7:54] Speaker 1: the state level. Let's turn our attention here to New
[7:57] Speaker 1: South Wales. Now, I like Chrismin. I think his government's
[8:01] Speaker 1: going pretty well. He will easily win reelection. But the
[8:04] Speaker 1: culture inside his government is worth talking about. Here you
[8:10] Speaker 1: see Professor Allan Fells, the bloker used to run the
[8:13] Speaker 1: a Triple C. Sorry for the old footage. They're from
[8:16] Speaker 1: parliaments long ago. I think two labor leaders are go
[8:19] Speaker 1: there in Jody McKay and Luke Foley. Well he has
[8:23] Speaker 1: done a whole series of reports for the New South
[8:25] Speaker 1: Wales government. But according to the margin call section of
[8:28] Speaker 1: the Australian newspaper today, Alan Fells and another blow called
[8:31] Speaker 1: David Cousins. While they were asked to do a review
[8:35] Speaker 1: for transport, they are still being paid by the taxpayer
[8:38] Speaker 1: of New South Wales. Alan Fells and David Cousins, two
[8:42] Speaker 1: eminent blokes who completed their work for the New South
[8:45] Speaker 1: Wales tolling review eighteen months ago. Job done, report filed.
[8:48] Speaker 1: Recommendation's main time to gone home. No, except they haven't
[8:52] Speaker 1: gone home. They are still on the taxpayer payroll. They
[8:56] Speaker 1: are each being paid one hundred and sixty five thousand
[9:00] Speaker 1: dollars just to keep their phone on, essentially their gig.
[9:04] Speaker 1: Now as it was written, is in case the government
[9:07] Speaker 1: needs some ad hoc advice. So despite the fact that
[9:11] Speaker 1: you could just hire them when you need them, they
[9:14] Speaker 1: just get paid just in case you need them one
[9:17] Speaker 1: hundred and sixty five thousand dollars each collectively, obviously more
[9:24] Speaker 1: than three hundred thousand dollars. The average wage in Australia,
[9:26] Speaker 1: the median wage, what is it? Eighty eight thousand dollars?
[9:31] Speaker 1: What about it? The local government level spending at the
[9:33] Speaker 1: federal s, federal at the state, and now let's talk
[9:37] Speaker 1: about the local government specifically again in New South Wales,
[9:39] Speaker 1: a whole collection of councils. Now, as you know, the
[9:42] Speaker 1: way a council works is there's a bunch of people
[9:44] Speaker 1: that you vote for. There's the mayor that maybe you
[9:46] Speaker 1: do or don't vote for, and then there's the permanent
[9:50] Speaker 1: public service that exists inside the councils regardless of who
[9:55] Speaker 1: is the mayor. These are the people who often are
[9:56] Speaker 1: the competers that no people what about this? According to
[10:01] Speaker 1: Financial Review this afternoon, unelected council chiefs earn more than
[10:05] Speaker 1: local MPs. Council chiefs in one hundred and twenty eight
[10:10] Speaker 1: local government areas in New South Wales total earn fifty
[10:15] Speaker 1: million dollars. The average paypacker to be the bureaucrat in
[10:18] Speaker 1: charge of the council three hundred and seventy eight thousand dollars.
[10:24] Speaker 1: That is more money than you get paid to be
[10:26] Speaker 1: the local federal MP or the local state MP, for example,
[10:30] Speaker 1: a backbencher. The base salary in the Federal Parliament two
[10:34] Speaker 1: hundred and thirty nine thousand dollars, the base salary in
[10:39] Speaker 1: the New South Wales Parliament two hundred and thirty nine
[10:42] Speaker 1: thousand dollars. It's all about other people's money. Where these
[10:48] Speaker 1: people they love it because they'll spend it at the
[10:52] Speaker 1: federal level, the state level, and of course at the
[10:54] Speaker 1: federal level, and you will pay for it, be it
[10:58] Speaker 1: with taxes today or debt tomorrow. Melbourne Cup running one
[11:03] Speaker 1: for another year. Good to see an Australian horse getting
[11:06] Speaker 1: over the line. Yes, I noticed the blood in the
[11:09] Speaker 1: same way many others did, but apparently Vet says everything's okay.
[11:15] Speaker 1: Jamie Mellam is the jockey. She of course has competed
[11:19] Speaker 1: the Cup's double. She's the second to have ever won.
[11:22] Speaker 1: A second female jockey to have a win that Melbourne Cup.
[11:25] Speaker 1: Huge history moment. Congratulations to her. Good to see Michelle
[11:27] Speaker 1: Payne who won it ten years ago this year ten
[11:30] Speaker 1: years Wow. Our time travels fast, doesn't it. There as
[11:33] Speaker 1: part of the broadcast I think on Channel nine to
[11:35] Speaker 1: congratulate her. It is also my favorite time of the
[11:39] Speaker 1: television year because a current affair goes out and finds
[11:43] Speaker 1: the wobblies, the people who are there for a good time,
[11:47] Speaker 1: maybe not a long time in terms of standing up.
[11:50] Speaker 1: They may well end up down. They could pick up
[11:52] Speaker 1: someone they came with or someone else, but who knows.
[11:54] Speaker 1: They all have a good time. It is our yearly
[11:56] Speaker 1: reminder of compulsory voting that every single person that you've
[12:00] Speaker 1: just seen there and all of those photos that you
[12:01] Speaker 1: can see all over the internet, they have as much
[12:03] Speaker 1: say in the process as you and I. But there
[12:07] Speaker 1: is always somebody who's got a bit of a woke
[12:10] Speaker 1: little source that they'd like to throw over with a
[12:13] Speaker 1: hot take on the Melbourne Cup. Now, previously it's been
[12:16] Speaker 1: things about animal welfare, but this year the prize goes
[12:19] Speaker 1: to a reporter who wrote this. Now, I don't know
[12:23] Speaker 1: if this person's a comedian. I don't know if they're
[12:24] Speaker 1: a full time reporter, but let's just follow what they
[12:27] Speaker 1: wrote tonight. Run while is the Melbourne Cup the last
[12:32] Speaker 1: safe space for straight white men? Accompanying the article nothing
[12:38] Speaker 1: but photos of blokes looking ungentlemanly. This, of course was
[12:44] Speaker 1: the running of the blokes as soon as the turnstiles
[12:46] Speaker 1: were there. It happens at every race, and I'll give
[12:48] Speaker 1: everyone the tip it happens to the ladies too. But still,
[12:53] Speaker 1: let us just see how this person had a hot
[12:55] Speaker 1: take on the recess obstination an It's an embarrassing time
[13:01] Speaker 1: to be a privileged straight white man, at least in
[13:03] Speaker 1: the current ziecheist they've become a joke. I know they're
[13:07] Speaker 1: still getting paid more the current pay gap in Australia,
[13:09] Speaker 1: who is eleven point five percent. They're still ruling the world.
[13:13] Speaker 1: Only seven percent of top leadership roles are held by women.
[13:17] Speaker 1: But they've become uncool. Tolerance for straight white men and
[13:21] Speaker 1: their antics is waning, and making fun of them has
[13:25] Speaker 1: become very socially acceptable. Okay, there's more. It's one of
[13:36] Speaker 1: the rare days now where men are encouraged to put
[13:39] Speaker 1: on their chino As button ups and RM William's boots
[13:42] Speaker 1: and live their best male lives. The men were seen
[13:45] Speaker 1: lining up before the event had opened, dressed in navy
[13:47] Speaker 1: and gray and black suits and patiently waiting to get
[13:50] Speaker 1: through the security gates. Some were even taking phone calls
[13:55] Speaker 1: because they're important men doing important things. Now. I'm not
[14:00] Speaker 1: going to pretend that the record of the straight while male,
[14:03] Speaker 1: straight white male is unblemished. I'm not suggesting that the
[14:07] Speaker 1: future is female, etc. Etc. But the phone calls or
[14:10] Speaker 1: a problem now. Okay, one last run of this person's
[14:17] Speaker 1: take on the Melbourne Cup and straight white men in general,
[14:21] Speaker 1: and about how their time has come and gone for
[14:26] Speaker 1: better or worse. The Melbourne Cup is quintessential Australian male
[14:29] Speaker 1: culture at its most primal. The men brow out, get drunk,
[14:33] Speaker 1: possibly fall over in the mud, and occasionally one falls
[14:38] Speaker 1: in a bin or runs into a bin. So today
[14:46] Speaker 1: apparently is a disgrace because of the straight white male.
[14:55] Speaker 1: I look forward to her follow up piece on who
[14:56] Speaker 1: actually won the Cup.
[15:00] Speaker 3: Amy Mellam, the first woman to complete the Cups double.
[15:03] Speaker 1: Melum won the core Field Cup two weeks ago on
[15:06] Speaker 1: the same horse. Now the first woman to win both trophies.
[15:09] Speaker 1: He becomes the first female jockey to win the core
[15:12] Speaker 1: Field Cups Melbourne Cup double. All right, but let's just
[15:15] Speaker 1: get into the fun bit. Here's the pissed people at
[15:17] Speaker 1: the cup asterisk. They may not be pissed, They just
[15:19] Speaker 1: seem it untidy, unbalanced, unbecoming, unabashed, and all together unambiguously unfazed.
[15:29] Speaker 1: Long live our characters of the Cup. You have a
[15:32] Speaker 1: glass of champagne today?
[15:33] Speaker 3: Yeah?
[15:34] Speaker 1: One or three or four? Five? Your name on your
[15:39] Speaker 1: on your lanyard? Yeah? Is that so you? In case
[15:42] Speaker 1: you get lost, well.
[15:45] Speaker 2: In case you don't get last year, I got someone
[15:46] Speaker 2: going to send me back to me where I got
[15:49] Speaker 2: to be.
[15:51] Speaker 1: I've heard a few as you're having trouble walking? Yes,
[15:54] Speaker 1: oh god it so tony toly twenty past twelve.
[15:57] Speaker 2: Yes, that's right.
[15:58] Speaker 1: Is this life? Stability's back to Winnow? Have they had
[16:05] Speaker 1: a good time? Yeah?
[16:06] Speaker 2: Really good at it's so good?
[16:07] Speaker 1: Three in the third? No third, just thirty three on
[16:11] Speaker 1: thirty three on the Herd, No, just thirty three on
[16:15] Speaker 1: thirty three.
[16:16] Speaker 4: Yeah, no turn saloon girls, saloon girls.
[16:24] Speaker 1: Do you have a little routine that you do? Okay,
[16:26] Speaker 1: I'll leave you alone. I don't care who you are.
[16:33] Speaker 1: You had a good time today. And if you're on television,
[16:37] Speaker 1: Button King done that for thirty three years. It's my
[16:39] Speaker 1: favorite segment of OSSI TV. It happens each and every
[16:42] Speaker 1: year on a current affair. He finds a new way.
[16:44] Speaker 1: But it's very funny each and every year. Two a
[16:48] Speaker 1: little more serious matters back to Mike Burgess, the head
[16:51] Speaker 1: of AZO, and the speech that he has just concluded
[16:54] Speaker 1: for the low E Institute. It is about all of
[16:57] Speaker 1: the major threats that exist towards us right now. The
[16:59] Speaker 1: event held in the Sydney Town Hall. Again, our other
[17:02] Speaker 1: parts of the speech, the tail end of it may
[17:04] Speaker 1: will still be happening over on Channel six three, or
[17:07] Speaker 1: you can find it on the sky News app. Go
[17:09] Speaker 1: to sky News which is five bucks and you can
[17:12] Speaker 1: get this channel, extra, the Weather, and a whole bunch
[17:14] Speaker 1: of other sky news dot com dot Au by becoming
[17:17] Speaker 1: a member. Now a couple of the highlights that our
[17:19] Speaker 1: team have been able to follow up after getting a
[17:21] Speaker 1: preview copy of what he had to say. This is
[17:24] Speaker 1: one of the things he has to say about something
[17:27] Speaker 1: that is starting to cause trouble in Australia. This is about,
[17:30] Speaker 1: among other things, intolerance, but not in the woke way.
[17:35] Speaker 5: What we are seeing today is on a different scale,
[17:38] Speaker 5: with different dynamics. Grievance is growing, intolerance is rising, inflammatory
[17:44] Speaker 5: retric and behavior is being normalized. Anti authority believes the spreading.
[17:50] Speaker 1: And he puts the threats or potential threats of violence
[17:53] Speaker 1: into three significant categories.
[17:57] Speaker 5: There are multiple cascading and intersecting threats to our social cohesion,
[18:02] Speaker 5: fueled by three distinct but connected cohorts, the aggrieved, the opportunistic,
[18:08] Speaker 5: and the cunning. The aggrieved are the individuals who tear
[18:12] Speaker 5: at our social fabric. The opportunistic are the organized groups
[18:16] Speaker 5: that take advantages of weaknesses in our social fabric, and
[18:20] Speaker 5: the cunning are the nation states that play a longer,
[18:23] Speaker 5: more calculated game to divide and distract us.
[18:27] Speaker 1: He also talks about a specific group that I have
[18:29] Speaker 1: long hand problems with in Australia and is good Usbutteria.
[18:32] Speaker 1: If you go to the about us section on their website,
[18:35] Speaker 1: it is not hidden about what their hope for this
[18:37] Speaker 1: country is and this country is to be one that
[18:41] Speaker 1: will operate under religious law, not the current laws of
[18:46] Speaker 1: the land. This is what he says about that organization.
[18:51] Speaker 5: While on entity such as his butt Teria is religiously motivated,
[18:55] Speaker 5: it's provocative behavior, offensive rhetoric, and insidious strategy are very
[19:00] Speaker 5: similar to the tactics of the National Socialist Network. The
[19:05] Speaker 5: organization's condemnation of Israel and Jews attracts a media attention
[19:09] Speaker 5: and aids recruitment, but it deliberately stops short of promoting
[19:14] Speaker 5: onshore acts of violence or acts of motivated violence. His
[19:19] Speaker 5: Butteria wants to test and stretch the boundaries of legality
[19:23] Speaker 5: without breaking them.
[19:25] Speaker 1: Amazing stuff. But the one that's going to get the headlines,
[19:28] Speaker 1: the one that's going to be the front page, and
[19:29] Speaker 1: one that we'll be talking about for the next couple
[19:30] Speaker 1: of days was this warning about how there are foreign actors,
[19:35] Speaker 1: foreign governments who are trying to intimidate people who live
[19:39] Speaker 1: in this country who used to live in those countries,
[19:43] Speaker 1: referring to them as dissidents, and what foreign governments have
[19:48] Speaker 1: the potential to do to the people who live in
[19:50] Speaker 1: the freedom of Australia but come from somewhere else and
[19:53] Speaker 1: are publicly critical of the somewhere else.
[19:56] Speaker 5: Given the degrading trajectory of our security environment and the
[19:59] Speaker 5: growing willingness of regimes to conduct high harm operations, AZIO
[20:04] Speaker 5: assesses there is a realistic possibility of foreign government will
[20:07] Speaker 5: attempt to assassinate a perceived dissident in Australia. This threat
[20:12] Speaker 5: is real. We believe there are at least three nations
[20:15] Speaker 5: willing and capable of conducting lethal targeting here. It's entirely
[20:20] Speaker 5: possible the regimes would try to hide their involvement by
[20:23] Speaker 5: hiring criminal cutouts, as Iran did when directing its arson attacks.
[20:28] Speaker 5: Please note my said attempt to assassinate. AZIO and our
[20:33] Speaker 5: law enforcement partners are acutely alive to this threat and
[20:35] Speaker 5: are working around the clock using all our powers to
[20:38] Speaker 5: protect Australians from this threat.
[20:41] Speaker 1: We thank him, his organization, the Federal Police and everyone
[20:44] Speaker 1: who is able to keep us safe. Remember what they
[20:49] Speaker 1: know is important. How they act is important. The threats
[20:53] Speaker 1: that they are able to stop before we even know
[20:55] Speaker 1: about them vital. Much of this work. It happens in
[20:58] Speaker 1: the shadows, away from the media spotlights for the obvious reasons.
[21:04] Speaker 1: To any and every person who is part of that
[21:06] Speaker 1: effort to keep Australia safe. Thank you a frightening speech
[21:10] Speaker 1: from the Boss of ASIO. It's to night full highlights
[21:12] Speaker 1: up right now. It's gonews dot com dot Au. Something
[21:16] Speaker 1: that people also look forward to on the first Tuesday
[21:19] Speaker 1: of November is will we get a cut in interest rates?
[21:22] Speaker 1: It's the opportunity for the Reserve Bank to do so.
[21:25] Speaker 1: There'll be one more meeting before the end of the year.
[21:27] Speaker 1: But if they're ever going to go up or they're
[21:28] Speaker 1: ever going to go down normally, that doesn't happen in December,
[21:31] Speaker 1: It'll happen in November. Guess what happened today?
[21:35] Speaker 2: For all the bets flying around on a big day
[21:37] Speaker 2: of racing, the only safe money was on an interest
[21:40] Speaker 2: rate pause, the Reserve Bank delivering just that.
[21:43] Speaker 3: The cash rate tonight remains at three point six percent
[21:46] Speaker 3: after the Reserve Bank left it on hold, as widely expected.
[21:50] Speaker 3: But what is far less certain is where interest rates
[21:53] Speaker 3: will go next.
[21:55] Speaker 1: Now, remember, one of the reasons why this is the
[21:57] Speaker 1: case is because inflation is going back up a full
[22:01] Speaker 1: percentage point increase on where we were twelve months ago.
[22:05] Speaker 1: And all of that because a lot of the sugar
[22:07] Speaker 1: hits that were there to distract at the start of
[22:09] Speaker 1: the year that helped feed into the February interest rate cut,
[22:13] Speaker 1: that gave the government an opportunity to pretend that there
[22:15] Speaker 1: were many, many, many more rates cuts to follow, got
[22:20] Speaker 1: them through an election, and now we're on the other side,
[22:22] Speaker 1: those sugar hits are starting to disappear. Hence why inflation
[22:25] Speaker 1: goes up and there'll be no further cuts to interest rates.
[22:30] Speaker 1: In fact, Michelle Bullock even said today they didn't even
[22:32] Speaker 1: discuss the chance of cutting interest rates. Now, we didn't
[22:37] Speaker 1: consider cutting. We basically just talked about holding and the
[22:43] Speaker 1: reasons to hold. So when will they Well, according to
[22:47] Speaker 1: pick your economist, there's a chance that there will be
[22:50] Speaker 1: no cut until maybe the middle of next year. And
[22:54] Speaker 1: I say maybe because I'm going to show you another
[22:56] Speaker 1: economist who thinks it's way later than that. What's really important.
[23:01] Speaker 1: And while the politics and the media that surrounds the
[23:04] Speaker 1: politics of the conversation around interest rates is simply going
[23:06] Speaker 1: to say, well, we hit a high point and then
[23:09] Speaker 1: from February we've been coming down, so everyone's grateful and
[23:11] Speaker 1: everyone's thankful. Well, the reality is, and I appreciate to
[23:16] Speaker 1: the website of SBS for putting this graft together which
[23:19] Speaker 1: shows us where interest rates were when they hit their peaking,
[23:22] Speaker 1: when they started to come down. But let's start to
[23:25] Speaker 1: have a look here where basically we are exactly where
[23:30] Speaker 1: we were at the end of two thousand and twenty three,
[23:34] Speaker 1: now the end of twenty twenty two, the end of
[23:36] Speaker 1: twenty and twenty three, the end of the second year
[23:40] Speaker 1: of Albanezi in office. It effectively is the same pressure
[23:46] Speaker 1: pointing on straighten families as the first eight interest rate rises. Now, yes,
[23:51] Speaker 1: is that down from the thirteen that we got you
[23:53] Speaker 1: bet you. But as you can see, eight interest rate
[23:57] Speaker 1: rises with no chance of it changing until mid next
[24:00] Speaker 1: year means the financial pain of the people who are
[24:03] Speaker 1: barely holding on will mean they barely hold on for
[24:06] Speaker 1: at least potentially another twelve months, or as this bloke
[24:10] Speaker 1: who spoke to the ABC says, you might have to
[24:14] Speaker 1: hold on even longer.
[24:17] Speaker 6: The unemployment rate, yes, might drift a little higher, but
[24:20] Speaker 6: you know, we're still We're still in an economy that's
[24:22] Speaker 6: basically fully employed.
[24:23] Speaker 5: So the next move is up.
[24:25] Speaker 6: We think the next move is up, but we think
[24:27] Speaker 6: the RBA is going to and now have a long
[24:29] Speaker 6: period where it remains steady. So we've got them on
[24:31] Speaker 6: hold through next year twenty six, twenty twenty six, and
[24:35] Speaker 6: rate rises penciled in for twenty twenty seven.
[24:38] Speaker 1: Now, remember last week we spent a lot of time
[24:40] Speaker 1: talking about the Bureau of Meteorologies website, the four million
[24:43] Speaker 1: dollars worth of changes that effectively made it not as
[24:47] Speaker 1: reliable as has previously been. Lovely new fonts, but I still,
[24:52] Speaker 1: as a regular user of the website, can't quite get
[24:54] Speaker 1: my head around the way things used to look. And
[24:56] Speaker 1: one of the key differences was the website on the aft,
[25:00] Speaker 1: the old one here. The comparison here done by the
[25:02] Speaker 1: One Nation Senator at Malcolm Roberts. It shows the darker
[25:05] Speaker 1: the color, the more intense storm is. Well, for some reason,
[25:07] Speaker 1: they took away the intensity of the storm which meant
[25:10] Speaker 1: the storm that hit southeast Coensland a couple of weekends ago, well,
[25:13] Speaker 1: it should have had the black in that top corner,
[25:16] Speaker 1: but it wasn't there. What we learned today that the
[25:19] Speaker 1: Bureau of Meteorology has now permanently dumped the changes to
[25:24] Speaker 1: the radar that puts simply the intensity of the colors
[25:26] Speaker 1: is what is going to happen from now on. You
[25:28] Speaker 1: will start to see the dark red and the little
[25:31] Speaker 1: black Dot's good idea. We will continue to assess options
[25:36] Speaker 1: for further updates and improvements at the same time as
[25:38] Speaker 1: pushing on with our efforts to help the community become
[25:40] Speaker 1: more familiar with the new website, says the Acting CEO
[25:45] Speaker 1: of the Bureau of Meteorology. In the meantime, if you'd
[25:48] Speaker 1: like to somehow find the old website for as long
[25:49] Speaker 1: as they'll have it up until they knew get RAG
[25:52] Speaker 1: dot BM dot gov dot AU, reg dot bomb dot
[25:58] Speaker 1: gov dot AU. I don't know if you're a person
[26:02] Speaker 1: who knows someone or is the someone who uses vapes
[26:06] Speaker 1: as a way of not smoking cigarettes, loose tobacco or cigars.
[26:10] Speaker 1: There are many legal options, but we learned today via
[26:14] Speaker 1: some international studies that you should be very careful about
[26:18] Speaker 1: the crap that is in some of the vapes. Apparently
[26:22] Speaker 1: this specific type of vape, among other things, traces of
[26:27] Speaker 1: formaldehyde and anti freeze. One of the most popular vape
[26:32] Speaker 1: brands in Australia, Ali Barbar with the ars not the a's,
[26:37] Speaker 1: is delivering flavored puffs and potentially dangerous levels of nicotine
[26:40] Speaker 1: and toxic contaminants, including in balming fluid, formaldehyde and a
[26:46] Speaker 1: chemical used in making anti freeze. Testing of the three
[26:51] Speaker 1: Ali Barber vapes was conducted by an independent European laboratory
[26:55] Speaker 1: commissioned by the tobacco industry after being sent Ali Barber
[26:59] Speaker 1: vapes obtained in Australia. The results have been reviewed by
[27:03] Speaker 1: an independent expert from the University of Wollongong at the
[27:05] Speaker 1: request of the Age. Chemicals which are prohibited in regulated
[27:12] Speaker 1: e cigarette products in Australia were identified in two of
[27:15] Speaker 1: the three e cigarettes analyzed, says the doctor from the
[27:19] Speaker 1: very long title at Wollongong University. So think twice. Perhaps
[27:24] Speaker 1: not what you may think when it comes to the
[27:26] Speaker 1: world of vaping, perhaps not exactly where you want to go. Now,
[27:31] Speaker 1: let's get to our look at social media. Social media
[27:34] Speaker 1: of MPs. It's just another way they spend other people's money,
[27:38] Speaker 1: and it's kind of showeds for ugly people. This is
[27:40] Speaker 1: a segment we'd like to do each and every night
[27:42] Speaker 1: to show you the stupid things they do on social
[27:45] Speaker 1: media that you pay for. Because every MP, every senator
[27:48] Speaker 1: in the Federal Parliament has got a staffer specifically to
[27:52] Speaker 1: help them make crap videos like this one about Halloween.
[27:57] Speaker 7: I'm playing a bit of a game. Trick or treat?
[28:00] Speaker 7: What have we got? Opening fifty more medicare mental health
[28:04] Speaker 7: centers definitely a treat, more paid parentally, a great labor treat.
[28:12] Speaker 7: Repealing net zero? Ah, that's a trick.
[28:20] Speaker 1: Voters can't be this dumb, right, Like again, it's a
[28:24] Speaker 1: new way of communicating with a new generation. They're adults
[28:28] Speaker 1: if they're old enough to vote, which means they're not
[28:30] Speaker 1: watching playschool, So stop talking to them like their kids
[28:34] Speaker 1: watching play school. Here's another labor MP. This is the
[28:38] Speaker 1: one for Ben Long, John Howard's old.
[28:40] Speaker 2: See, having the man flu isn't fun, but you know
[28:45] Speaker 2: it is fun.
[28:55] Speaker 1: And then there's whatever the hell this is? So ike?
[29:14] Speaker 7: Is it?
[29:14] Speaker 1: What the young people say or do is the rest
[29:16] Speaker 1: of us just say please, you're paying for it. From
[29:20] Speaker 1: a blowout in the public service to a blowout in
[29:22] Speaker 1: the BS that they shove up on social media, lots
[29:25] Speaker 1: to get to. Tonight here on Paul Murray Live, we're,
[29:27] Speaker 1: among other things, we're going to be talking about Chris
[29:30] Speaker 1: Bowen and his supposed three hours of free energy. Is
[29:33] Speaker 1: this a real deal? Is this actually going to shock anyone?
[29:37] Speaker 1: And the great Nigel ferrag He joins us shortly, You've
[29:39] Speaker 1: got a great night. You watch all the way to
[29:40] Speaker 1: the end tonight you will be rewarded for doing so
[29:43] Speaker 1: with a nice warm feeling inside. Thanks so much for watching.
[29:52] Speaker 1: Let us bring back our combination from last week. People
[29:54] Speaker 1: really love seeing Sean Bell, who is the One Nation
[29:56] Speaker 1: Senator from New South Wales. And our wonderful favorite, none
[29:59] Speaker 1: other than Linda Scott who's free, free of all responsibilities,
[30:02] Speaker 1: but still labor to a bootstraps. Now the Dismissal documentary,
[30:06] Speaker 1: it'll be up next week, of course, looking forward to it.
[30:09] Speaker 1: Chris Yulman with the story of how old Mate got
[30:11] Speaker 1: the biscuit fifty years ago. And remember the PostScript. Two
[30:15] Speaker 1: further elections in the Australian people did not reverse the
[30:17] Speaker 1: decision important to always know, all right, News poll today. Unsurprisingly,
[30:22] Speaker 1: majority of Australians have a problem with the concept of
[30:25] Speaker 1: big Australia and how fast we're going to be heading there.
[30:28] Speaker 1: According to the poll News Poll, sixty four percent of
[30:30] Speaker 1: voters want fewer immigrants moving to Australia. Now we know
[30:36] Speaker 1: that there is a very significant number of people, particularly
[30:39] Speaker 1: in the sort of gen X and older millennial age,
[30:42] Speaker 1: that are starting to embrace one nation, and particularly when
[30:44] Speaker 1: it surrounds this issue. But of course, Sean, if you
[30:47] Speaker 1: dare say a word about it, if you mention this
[30:49] Speaker 1: in the Senate, the tutting and the tutting can be
[30:51] Speaker 1: heard all the way up and down the hymn.
[30:56] Speaker 8: Paul, the Labour Party, in the Greens, they like to
[30:59] Speaker 8: call one nation five right, but the reality is we're
[31:02] Speaker 8: right so far. And as the polling shows, the Australian agreeables.
[31:06] Speaker 1: I like that he's off to a would start second appearance.
[31:09] Speaker 1: Good luck, he's on it. Well, this is good, keep going, thanks, Paul,
[31:15] Speaker 1: I mean and look a bit at all seriousness. This
[31:19] Speaker 1: is a huge problem.
[31:20] Speaker 8: The people of Australia are crying out for the Labor
[31:22] Speaker 8: Party to listen to them, and the Labor Party are
[31:24] Speaker 8: not listening to them. They're continuing to inflict these high
[31:26] Speaker 8: rates of immigration onto Australia. It's driving people into homelessness,
[31:30] Speaker 8: it's driving housing prices right up. And the solution is
[31:33] Speaker 8: very simple, end mass immigration. One nation can say it
[31:36] Speaker 8: and the people hear us, and that's why we're doing
[31:38] Speaker 8: so well in the polls.
[31:40] Speaker 1: So presumably, Linda, the sixty four percent would cover more
[31:45] Speaker 1: than just the fifteen percent that are there for one nation,
[31:49] Speaker 1: more than the twenty four percent that will be there
[31:51] Speaker 1: for the Libs, meaning potentially there's one or two Labor
[31:53] Speaker 1: voters who also agree that we're in the wrong spot
[31:56] Speaker 1: right now.
[31:57] Speaker 9: Look, this is the issue with one nation in the coalition.
[31:59] Speaker 9: They are but just no substance. Jobs and skills. Australia
[32:03] Speaker 9: released a really significant report today looking at the skill
[32:06] Speaker 9: matrix that we need for the future, for Australia's economic
[32:09] Speaker 9: prosperity and our productivity, and a key part of that
[32:13] Speaker 9: is making sure we have enough skills in the country
[32:15] Speaker 9: to do the jobs that our companies need. And part
[32:19] Speaker 9: of that lever is and always has been for Australia migration.
[32:22] Speaker 9: It's so critical that we feel the skill shortages in
[32:26] Speaker 9: places like construction from better training, better trades here, but
[32:30] Speaker 9: also from migration. And the notion that we can somehow
[32:33] Speaker 9: pretend that that is not an economic fact, it is
[32:36] Speaker 9: not good for productivity, is just false and misleading. And
[32:39] Speaker 9: so if we have somehow dramatic cuts to migration, we
[32:43] Speaker 9: are at risk of tanking our economy. And that is
[32:45] Speaker 9: what one nation won't tell you about the other thing
[32:48] Speaker 9: I think it's important to say here, Paul, is that
[32:51] Speaker 9: you know, under labor they have driven up skilled migration
[32:57] Speaker 9: and looked at the other bits of our migration mix
[33:00] Speaker 9: to make sure it was more balanced. That did not
[33:02] Speaker 9: happen under the Coalition. Under the Coalition they had growth
[33:06] Speaker 9: in some sectors of the migration program, particularly in international students,
[33:11] Speaker 9: but not in the areas where our economy necessarily always
[33:14] Speaker 9: needed it.
[33:15] Speaker 1: So would you not give me just slightly? Would you
[33:18] Speaker 1: not give me that? Perhaps, for want of a better term,
[33:21] Speaker 1: the left of Australia politics, intelligency and media for decades
[33:27] Speaker 1: has now said everyone must finish year twelve and fingers
[33:30] Speaker 1: crossed as many people as possible go to university. That
[33:32] Speaker 1: the problem with the skill shortage is because we have,
[33:35] Speaker 1: for want of a better term, kind of scandalized the
[33:39] Speaker 1: choice of picking up a hammer. I mean remember when
[33:42] Speaker 1: and again I'm not suggesting you got to sit here
[33:43] Speaker 1: and defend Kim Beasley, right, but remember all that education Australia.
[33:46] Speaker 1: Remember when Julia Gillard again forced that built into the
[33:50] Speaker 1: DNA of labor governments or labor oppositions has been go
[33:54] Speaker 1: to Unigo to UNI, go to Unigo to UNI. Now
[33:57] Speaker 1: there might be more efforts to go to tape, go
[33:59] Speaker 1: to tape, but either culturally we could have avoided the
[34:02] Speaker 1: need to import skills if we had embraced the opportunities
[34:07] Speaker 1: of more kids to be able to go and get them.
[34:09] Speaker 9: Well, look, I'm a proud Lefty and my dad was
[34:12] Speaker 9: a very proud TAFE teacher. So I won't give it
[34:14] Speaker 9: to you because I do think that the Left has
[34:16] Speaker 9: really embraced TAFE and training. They've embraced policies to have
[34:21] Speaker 9: free tape right across the country. Right now, I keep
[34:24] Speaker 9: encouraging James Ashby to go to TAFE. He won't listen
[34:26] Speaker 9: to me. It'll be a good thing under this government
[34:28] Speaker 9: and under their free tape policies. So I don't agree
[34:31] Speaker 9: with you but we do need to have a more
[34:34] Speaker 9: concerted effort to get people into these areas and training
[34:38] Speaker 9: in places like construction, a great industry, great roles, but
[34:42] Speaker 9: also to get the houses for the future built.
[34:44] Speaker 1: Right, Let's get to the free power announcement that was
[34:46] Speaker 1: made today by the Climate and Energy Minister Chris Bowen.
[34:50] Speaker 1: This is him explaining how depending on if you fill
[34:52] Speaker 1: out the right forman and you're in the right state
[34:54] Speaker 1: for a couple of hours, you'll get free power during
[34:57] Speaker 1: the middle of the day.
[35:00] Speaker 4: What it means is that energy companies will be required
[35:02] Speaker 4: to offer you, if you have a smart leader, three
[35:06] Speaker 4: hours of free power in the middle of the day
[35:08] Speaker 4: when we have so much solar energy in the system.
[35:12] Speaker 1: Okay, so we now know that it's not going to
[35:15] Speaker 1: really matter what the fine print is. It's not going
[35:16] Speaker 1: to matter what the asterisks. Again that it's not for
[35:19] Speaker 1: every state and not for everyone, but sure I can
[35:22] Speaker 1: feel a slogan coming on that's going to get a
[35:24] Speaker 1: public information campaign behind it, which of course we'll be
[35:28] Speaker 1: shoved right down our throats. What do you think of
[35:30] Speaker 1: what they've done here, and you think it will be popular.
[35:34] Speaker 8: Paul, it's free energy, it's free it's just free. I
[35:37] Speaker 8: can't believe I didn't think of it. It's just free.
[35:40] Speaker 8: Why is he being so stingy? Why is there only
[35:42] Speaker 8: three hours? Why not just make it free all day?
[35:45] Speaker 8: And the reality is it's this policy of free energy.
[35:48] Speaker 8: It's only slightly more absurd than Labour's flagship policy of
[35:52] Speaker 8: net zero. And so it's no surprise that Chris Bowen's,
[35:56] Speaker 8: of the architects of the whole NETZERI policies, come up
[35:58] Speaker 8: with this new free energy policy. And the truth is,
[36:02] Speaker 8: if this job, I mean, look, if they think that
[36:04] Speaker 8: they're going to get free energy, I've got a bridge
[36:07] Speaker 8: in Sydney to sell. I suspect free energy is going
[36:10] Speaker 8: to lead to the highest power bills that you've ever seen.
[36:13] Speaker 8: And I suspect if we continue to listen to labor
[36:15] Speaker 8: and their ideas, that power bills will go up. And
[36:19] Speaker 8: the simple solution to that is to start I think
[36:22] Speaker 8: we should scrap Chris Bowen's proposal, scrap net zero, and
[36:25] Speaker 8: start embracing the things that made energy cheap and affordable
[36:28] Speaker 8: in the first place, which is coal, gas and those
[36:32] Speaker 8: traditional power sources that look, they weren't free, but the
[36:36] Speaker 8: energy was an awful lot cheaper.
[36:38] Speaker 1: Yeah, certainly I'm happy to go sort of bow and
[36:40] Speaker 1: free for a few hours a day here. One of
[36:44] Speaker 1: the details that did come out in an announcement is
[36:46] Speaker 1: something that Linda, I'm going to give your team points for,
[36:49] Speaker 1: which is Australians are very much embracing the idea of
[36:53] Speaker 1: batteries at home to be able to effectively cut themselves
[36:56] Speaker 1: off from the grid. I think it's a great idea.
[36:59] Speaker 1: Sometimes broken clow call the rest of it. There are
[37:01] Speaker 1: good ideas that are out there, but this particular idea
[37:03] Speaker 1: here too. Essentially you have to go to the smart meter,
[37:06] Speaker 1: which means, as opposed to the averaging, they can sort
[37:08] Speaker 1: of real time work out what's going on. Obviously if
[37:10] Speaker 1: you've got the appliances to be able to time delay
[37:13] Speaker 1: things you would do at night to do during the day.
[37:15] Speaker 1: Or the pitch from the government is supposedly to people
[37:18] Speaker 1: who are home in the middle of the day, But
[37:21] Speaker 1: is it a lovely little slogan where there's going to
[37:23] Speaker 1: be a spike in the tail Because the energy companies
[37:27] Speaker 1: today the Australian Energy Council have come out and said what, I.
[37:31] Speaker 9: Think this is a great policy because it does mean
[37:33] Speaker 9: that people can transition to good systems where they can
[37:38] Speaker 9: better measure their own individual households pressure on the grid,
[37:42] Speaker 9: and what Chris Bowen is trying to do is to
[37:44] Speaker 9: incentivize people to use more power during the middle of
[37:48] Speaker 9: the day when there's not as much pressure on the
[37:50] Speaker 9: grid because we know, for example, I was with Chris
[37:52] Speaker 9: Bowl last week at an event and he was speaking
[37:54] Speaker 9: about just last week, you know in New South Wales,
[37:57] Speaker 9: thirty percent of the cold fire power component of the
[38:00] Speaker 9: grid was down on that day and everyone was shocked
[38:03] Speaker 9: when he said this, and people he said, well, you know,
[38:06] Speaker 9: this is a pretty common thing that happens because these
[38:09] Speaker 9: coal fire power stations they're getting to the end of
[38:11] Speaker 9: their life. So we need to manage the grid to
[38:14] Speaker 9: make sure it's stable, and we need to transition to
[38:17] Speaker 9: renewables to make sure there's more power coming in at
[38:20] Speaker 9: a more affordable price. This is a great example three
[38:23] Speaker 9: hours during the middle of the day for Australians to
[38:25] Speaker 9: access free power as they transition to these smart monitors,
[38:30] Speaker 9: to make sure that they're using the grid at a
[38:33] Speaker 9: time that better spreads the energy demand across the twenty
[38:37] Speaker 9: four hour cycle. It's smart policy, it's good for people.
[38:41] Speaker 9: I'm glad you're paying it credit where credit.
[38:43] Speaker 1: Is no, no no, the battery, the batteries christ.
[38:48] Speaker 9: Bowet and going to make renouncement. I'm so proud.
[38:51] Speaker 1: Sure you're that's a lovely verbal. I love you, but
[38:53] Speaker 1: that's you know, the bit that I and I'm going
[38:55] Speaker 1: to get the emails for it. Sean again your response
[38:59] Speaker 1: to Linda and everything's okay. Scenario heat.
[39:03] Speaker 8: I mean, i'd say, go have a look at what
[39:06] Speaker 8: smart meter introduction in the UK did. The power prices there,
[39:09] Speaker 8: they skyrocketed, and I think one nation has been sort
[39:12] Speaker 8: of warning people about the dangers of the smart meters
[39:14] Speaker 8: for a very long time. I was talking of gentleman
[39:18] Speaker 8: the other day and he explained that, you know, he's
[39:19] Speaker 8: got his batteries go and the solar's going, he collects
[39:23] Speaker 8: that energy, suddenly bang, the smart meter starts sucking it out.
[39:26] Speaker 8: The government will sell it back to him for seventeen cents,
[39:29] Speaker 8: and yet they charged him thirty cents for it. So ultimately,
[39:33] Speaker 8: all this free energy starts coming in at a huge
[39:35] Speaker 8: cost to the taxpayer. And it seems a lot of
[39:37] Speaker 8: that free energy has been the energy that you're providing
[39:39] Speaker 8: the labor government. Look, and this isn't a good policy,
[39:42] Speaker 8: it's not a smart policy. The energy is not free.
[39:45] Speaker 8: And what you just watch these companies, they'll start covering
[39:48] Speaker 8: the cost of the free energy at other times of
[39:50] Speaker 8: the day. Ultimately the cost is and again it's not
[39:53] Speaker 8: even free. It's being paid for by someone else's money.
[39:55] Speaker 8: That's just how it's going to work.
[39:56] Speaker 1: By the way, you know, Linda, I know that Chris
[39:59] Speaker 1: bar had that line in this speech right right now, Sorry,
[40:02] Speaker 1: I'll do the glasses thing. Sixty six percent of the
[40:05] Speaker 1: New South Wales's energy market is coal. In the past
[40:08] Speaker 1: twenty four hours, it's fifty nine percent. In the past
[40:11] Speaker 1: three months it's sixty five percent. So yes, it might
[40:15] Speaker 1: have gone off a bit.
[40:16] Speaker 9: Of so many of those power stations are failing on
[40:20] Speaker 9: a regular basis, are becoming unreliable.
[40:23] Speaker 1: And others that's right likely.
[40:27] Speaker 9: You know, let's be clear about this. These assets will
[40:30] Speaker 9: not last. Many of them don't have many years to go,
[40:33] Speaker 9: and the companies that own them, not the government, the
[40:36] Speaker 9: companies that own them are not proposing to maintain them
[40:39] Speaker 9: or keep them going.
[40:40] Speaker 1: One thing, we.
[40:41] Speaker 9: Need alternative, cheaper, renewable energy sources in this country. We
[40:46] Speaker 9: need to get on and build them, and we need
[40:48] Speaker 9: to ensure that companies are passing on those savings to people.
[40:50] Speaker 1: Nige for us standing by next. The one thing we
[40:52] Speaker 1: can all agree on. The longer I can keep the
[40:54] Speaker 1: glasses off the face permanently, the better. It's not a
[40:56] Speaker 1: great look on the telly. But the last one must read.
[40:59] Speaker 1: Thank you very much, Linda, Thank you very much, senator.
[41:01] Speaker 1: We'll see you again next week. Right, quick break back
[41:03] Speaker 1: with more Nigel Faras, everything from economics to crime that's
[41:06] Speaker 1: taking place in the UK. The only place you'll see
[41:09] Speaker 1: the next Prime Minister of the United Kingdom according to
[41:11] Speaker 1: the polls every single week in Australia is right here
[41:13] Speaker 1: on Paul Murray Life. Next, it's time for the man
[41:22] Speaker 1: who's never boring, Nigel Faras, the leader of the Reform
[41:26] Speaker 1: Party that is absolutely braining it in the polls. Right now,
[41:29] Speaker 1: he joins us from the United Kingdom. Great man, love
[41:32] Speaker 1: you to see you. Another week, another day, another poll,
[41:34] Speaker 1: but again many years before that upcoming election. What about
[41:37] Speaker 1: the latest one here thirty two percent for Reform. The
[41:42] Speaker 1: Greens are in front of the Conservatives and Labor who
[41:45] Speaker 1: are there together. Let's for a change. Talk about that
[41:49] Speaker 1: Green number, because it would be potentially a new force.
[41:53] Speaker 1: It might be where some of the cashed up bits
[41:54] Speaker 1: of London might go. What do you think? What do
[41:57] Speaker 1: you think explains that the far left of the UK
[42:01] Speaker 1: is also looking for something different at the moment.
[42:07] Speaker 2: Well absolutely, and look you've got the same in Australia.
[42:09] Speaker 2: You've got those people who wave their Palestinian flags. Well,
[42:12] Speaker 2: that's who we're talking about. We're talking about the hard left.
[42:15] Speaker 2: We're talking about people that want to tax anyone that
[42:19] Speaker 2: makes any decent sum of money, drain the rich, support Palestine,
[42:25] Speaker 2: turn a blind eye to anti Semitism, get the state
[42:28] Speaker 2: to run absolutely everything. Oh and by the way, let's
[42:31] Speaker 2: have no borders at all. Anyone from anywhere in the
[42:34] Speaker 2: world can come straight in and claim social security. There
[42:37] Speaker 2: is an urban group of people who hold those left
[42:41] Speaker 2: wing views and they see a new leader of the
[42:45] Speaker 2: Green Party who's got a bit of charisma. There's a
[42:48] Speaker 2: lot of Jeremy Corbyn types. Corbyn's got his own party,
[42:51] Speaker 2: but four months on he still can't decide what the
[42:54] Speaker 2: name is. I mean, Corbyn could not organize a booze
[42:57] Speaker 2: up in a brewery, so income the Greens. Now, look,
[43:01] Speaker 2: you know there is a ceiling on their support. You know,
[43:05] Speaker 2: I can't see them getting above twenty one twenty two.
[43:08] Speaker 2: But here's the point that you've got traditional patriotic, old fashioned,
[43:13] Speaker 2: working and retired labor voters coming to reform and a
[43:18] Speaker 2: hard left urban youth going to the Greens, and that
[43:24] Speaker 2: leaves the Labor Party just fifteen months on from winning
[43:27] Speaker 2: an election. In that poll, actually on the numbers, they
[43:30] Speaker 2: were fourth. So never before as a governing party lost
[43:33] Speaker 2: support in this way. And you know what, it couldn't
[43:37] Speaker 2: happen to nicer people.
[43:40] Speaker 1: I don't disagree with you, I don't disagree with some
[43:41] Speaker 1: of the stuff in killing the Chancellor. A whole bunch
[43:44] Speaker 1: of stuff is pretty outrageous about the way that they
[43:47] Speaker 1: are behaving. But also I want to for a second
[43:49] Speaker 1: pick your brain about what is going to happen tomorrow
[43:53] Speaker 1: in New York, which is they're going to elect this
[43:55] Speaker 1: democratic socialist mayor right this green number that exists in
[43:59] Speaker 1: that part in the United Kingdom. The truth is that
[44:03] Speaker 1: there are a lot of people that are just done
[44:06] Speaker 1: with the constant failures of the system. Right now to
[44:10] Speaker 1: the left, we are seeing again a certain version of
[44:14] Speaker 1: economic populism is going to come where somebody like this
[44:17] Speaker 1: bloke who's going to become the mayor of the Mayor
[44:21] Speaker 1: of New York is able to essentially say, look, I'm
[44:23] Speaker 1: going to improve your life by making rich people pay more. Right. Essentially,
[44:29] Speaker 1: that's because the problem in our community is they've got lots,
[44:33] Speaker 1: you've got bugger all, and no one really changes it
[44:36] Speaker 1: for you. How fluid do you think that bugger them
[44:43] Speaker 1: all vote? Is that people might be automatically assuming that
[44:47] Speaker 1: it's going to go in the left direction or the
[44:49] Speaker 1: right direction. But in many ways, the real debate is
[44:53] Speaker 1: about who can change the joint, Who's going to change
[44:56] Speaker 1: the joint and actually change it for normal people? Because
[44:59] Speaker 1: I've got that might be the closing six months of
[45:03] Speaker 1: the debate you might be involved in. Yeah, I get that.
[45:08] Speaker 2: I mean, look, you know, the system isn't working, so
[45:11] Speaker 2: a center can't hold and we've seen centuriest parties in
[45:14] Speaker 2: France disappear completely. Look at Italy, you know the Brothers
[45:18] Speaker 2: of Italy. Maloney is the Prime Minister and actually doing
[45:21] Speaker 2: a very good job. And yes, the same applies to
[45:23] Speaker 2: a left as well. It's just that you know, socialist
[45:27] Speaker 2: Marxism gets forgotten and we need reminding how bad it
[45:31] Speaker 2: is once every generation or so. And it looks like
[45:34] Speaker 2: that's what New York is about to go through. This
[45:37] Speaker 2: idea that if you tax the rich, you have more
[45:39] Speaker 2: revenue that you can share with everybody, presupposes that people
[45:44] Speaker 2: won't flee. And you know, the modern world we live in,
[45:47] Speaker 2: you can move your wealth by literally pressing a button
[45:50] Speaker 2: on your personal computer. And I think we'll see I
[45:54] Speaker 2: think we'll see a flight from New York. I've got
[45:56] Speaker 2: a lot of friends in New York. I used to
[45:58] Speaker 2: work for a New York company for many, many years,
[46:01] Speaker 2: and already the move was started. You're seeing Miami absolutely
[46:05] Speaker 2: exploding in size. You're seeing Dallas, Austin in Texas growing
[46:10] Speaker 2: in size. And I'll make your prediction, Staten Island will
[46:14] Speaker 2: seek independence from New York. If Mandarmi wins Free starton Island,
[46:19] Speaker 2: that's my next campaign.
[46:22] Speaker 1: Imagine going to the you know, the US Congress and
[46:26] Speaker 1: talking about that that there should be the separation. Right.
[46:29] Speaker 1: I like it. I like it, Staten Island exit. We'll
[46:32] Speaker 1: see what we'll come up with better minds than I now. Also,
[46:36] Speaker 1: what about how school kids are being taught about your
[46:39] Speaker 1: party right again. I just find this stuff so outrageous
[46:43] Speaker 1: that there's a free hand amongst parts of the education
[46:46] Speaker 1: system to be able to turn it around. And while
[46:49] Speaker 1: kids are learning about a system, being told that there
[46:52] Speaker 1: is emotional value about the players in the system, right,
[46:56] Speaker 1: this party's good, this party's bad, this one's good, this
[46:59] Speaker 1: one's bad. That is not the role of an educator
[47:03] Speaker 1: to put the value judgment. But they're doing it, mate,
[47:06] Speaker 1: and they're doing it right to you. Yes they are.
[47:12] Speaker 2: I mean there was this big piece in the mail
[47:13] Speaker 2: on Sunday showing that they basically put reform on the
[47:16] Speaker 2: left right spectrum alongside a swastika. I mean, quite extraordinary, actually,
[47:21] Speaker 2: very very insightful, and very very hateful.
[47:24] Speaker 1: You know.
[47:24] Speaker 2: It's telling teenage kids that these people are equivalent to
[47:28] Speaker 2: the Nazis, and that of course, in turn leads to
[47:31] Speaker 2: online abuse, street violence. No, the job of an educator
[47:36] Speaker 2: is to teach critical thinking. The job of an educator
[47:39] Speaker 2: is to put things on the table and say you
[47:41] Speaker 2: make your mind up which of these things you think
[47:44] Speaker 2: is right. So the left wing bias that runs through
[47:48] Speaker 2: the British education system is shocking, and i'll tell you
[47:53] Speaker 2: what that is something that the government needs to do.
[47:55] Speaker 2: It needs to root out extremism in teaching. And it
[47:58] Speaker 2: even starts, you know, right down in the early years.
[48:01] Speaker 2: It runs all the way through university and it's a
[48:04] Speaker 2: problem not just in Breton, it's a problem right across
[48:08] Speaker 2: the Western world. The march of the hard left through
[48:11] Speaker 2: the institutions and an education for the moment they've triumphed.
[48:15] Speaker 1: Well, the reality is some of the workers stuff is
[48:17] Speaker 1: happening to the youngest right, not even into the university sector. Nigel,
[48:20] Speaker 1: thank you so much. We cheer you on from Australian Mate.
[48:22] Speaker 1: We'd look forward to talking to you again next week.
[48:24] Speaker 1: Thank you Nigel for us the head of the Reform
[48:26] Speaker 1: Party joining us there from London. One A second lates
[48:34] Speaker 1: back to second. But a little message tom My. Mate's
[48:36] Speaker 1: in Queensland, Brisbane, specifically the Caxton Hotel, a famous watering
[48:41] Speaker 1: hole literally on the same road as sun Corp Stadium,
[48:45] Speaker 1: a Queensland institution, where we learn that for the exchange
[48:50] Speaker 1: of moneies that a new owner has bought it for
[48:53] Speaker 1: fifty million dollars and it is the bloker's in charge
[48:55] Speaker 1: of the city Roosters. Now, I don't expect they're going
[48:58] Speaker 1: to be changing any of the paraphernale, but just so
[49:01] Speaker 1: you know, there's a rooster in the Caxton house. I
[49:05] Speaker 1: want to see

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