# Paul Murray Live | 22 July

An episode of [Paul Murray Live](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/376966263), 22 Jul 2026, 49 min.

Audio: https://p.podderapp.com/2544644999/traffic.omny.fm/d/clips/2fb3740d-3436-44af-8cc0-a91900716aa5/be3abd48-25e5-45a6-aede-ac2a00524a12/03d4cbf9-e520-4998-88f8-b48f00d668cf/audio.mp3?utm_source=Podcast&in_playlist=95971714-8fe6-4855-b1fe-ac2a00524a12

Angus Taylor unveils plan to combat Labor, Pauline Hanson claims dv is a two-way street. Plus, Barnaby Joyce apologises for yelling at a dog. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:00] Speaker 1: From the Skying Center is Paul Murray Live. Thank you, Sherry,
[0:07] Speaker 1: Big show ahead tonight.
[0:08] Speaker 2: Megan Kelly has always had special guest from the United States.
[0:11] Speaker 2: A little bit later in the program, But I want
[0:14] Speaker 2: to talk about the political fortunes of a party that
[0:17] Speaker 2: millions of people voted for at the last election, and
[0:21] Speaker 2: millions of people have voted for over a long period
[0:24] Speaker 2: of time. It's been the government over and over, but
[0:27] Speaker 2: now it is pretty deep in opposition. Now you know
[0:32] Speaker 2: this is the story as exemplified by leaders from twenty
[0:37] Speaker 2: thirteen all the way through to today. Now I want
[0:41] Speaker 2: to show you the primary voter, the Liberal Party, and
[0:43] Speaker 2: a story that we all know. But let's have a
[0:45] Speaker 2: look at the scoreboard. When Tony Abbott thumped and returned
[0:50] Speaker 2: to power, they had.
[0:51] Speaker 1: Forty five percent of the vote.
[0:54] Speaker 2: When the Liberal Party became no different than the Labor
[0:58] Speaker 2: Party and of course knife to first term Prime minister,
[1:00] Speaker 2: they fall to forty two percent. When they were able
[1:05] Speaker 2: to just and I mean just defeat Bill Shorten, it
[1:08] Speaker 2: was forty one percent. They were swept from office at
[1:12] Speaker 2: thirty five percent, and they went further back at thirty
[1:16] Speaker 2: one percent. None of it a pretty picture. After the
[1:21] Speaker 2: year of two thy and nineteen. It's something that the
[1:26] Speaker 2: Labor Party bets will never change ever into the future,
[1:30] Speaker 2: because the people that have peeled away from the Liberal
[1:34] Speaker 2: Party from the center left will never return.
[1:36] Speaker 1: They've now got the teals.
[1:37] Speaker 2: Or other places to go, and those of the right, well,
[1:41] Speaker 2: they're off to one nation. But of course, the polling
[1:46] Speaker 2: since that disastrous election in twenty twenty five, and as
[1:50] Speaker 2: much as it all like to pretend it was years ago,
[1:52] Speaker 2: it wasn't.
[1:52] Speaker 1: It was a year ago in May.
[1:56] Speaker 2: They've gone from twenty nine percent to now nine eighteen percent,
[2:01] Speaker 2: obviously nowhere near being the dominant second party in the
[2:04] Speaker 2: country litt alone being able to threaten for government. But
[2:09] Speaker 2: they have got some better news in the past couple
[2:14] Speaker 2: of poles, including literally this week in the Morgan Pole.
[2:18] Speaker 2: Now the Morgan Pole has bounced around a lot, but
[2:22] Speaker 2: the LNP is now in front of the Coalition in
[2:26] Speaker 2: terms of the primary vote. To show you that tonight,
[2:31] Speaker 2: according to the Morgan Pole, Labor at twenty seven percent,
[2:34] Speaker 2: Coalition at twenty three one Nation at twenty two and
[2:38] Speaker 2: a half. But they have apparently fallen five points in
[2:42] Speaker 2: the past two weeks after gaining five points two weeks
[2:45] Speaker 2: ago after falling five points two weeks before that. So
[2:49] Speaker 2: there's a big jump in the sample size and where
[2:53] Speaker 2: they hid in. So I wouldn't betting the house on
[2:55] Speaker 2: this result, but it is the first that has started
[2:58] Speaker 2: to show the Coalition getting up on top of one Nation.
[3:01] Speaker 1: Again. We'll see where we are in a week's time.
[3:05] Speaker 2: But I get a lot of emails from people since
[3:07] Speaker 2: the last election who think that I have been somehow
[3:09] Speaker 2: unfair to the Liberal Party by talking about the move
[3:13] Speaker 2: towards one nation, about being one of the people, particularly
[3:16] Speaker 2: in Generation X, who has well and truly started to
[3:19] Speaker 2: embrace the idea of one nation as the best vehicle
[3:24] Speaker 2: for those of us who believe in a certain type
[3:26] Speaker 2: of Australia. I see those emails. I take all in
[3:31] Speaker 2: good faith. Sometimes there's a little bit of abuse in
[3:33] Speaker 2: there that somehow I've turned or done something that displeases some.
[3:38] Speaker 2: But there is a reasonable criticism that I fully accept,
[3:42] Speaker 2: which is by constantly talking about one nation and focusing
[3:45] Speaker 2: on one nation, focusing on their numbers and their growth,
[3:48] Speaker 2: and that he's been the big political story of the
[3:50] Speaker 2: year that I haven't been giving the attention to the
[3:53] Speaker 2: Liberal Party and what it has to do to rebuild itself. Well,
[3:57] Speaker 2: I have that opportunity today because Angus Taylor has now
[4:02] Speaker 2: got a plan, a literal physical version of a plan,
[4:07] Speaker 2: and it is not the entire policy suite that they
[4:09] Speaker 2: will take to the next election, but I want to
[4:12] Speaker 2: give pause and give them the opportunity to be heard.
[4:16] Speaker 2: Angus Taylor announced all of this today at a conference
[4:19] Speaker 2: in front of small business leaders.
[4:23] Speaker 3: We want to restore that very simple idea at the
[4:26] Speaker 3: heart of our prosperity as a nation that.
[4:29] Speaker 1: If you aspire and you strive, you.
[4:32] Speaker 3: Work hard, you can get ahead and you can succeed.
[4:35] Speaker 3: That means right at the top of our plan is
[4:37] Speaker 3: acting labour's toxic taxes, reducing taxes so hard working Australians
[4:41] Speaker 3: can get ahead, getting government out of the way, so
[4:44] Speaker 3: small businesses can invest and employ can take risks, and
[4:47] Speaker 3: they can succeed not just for themselves, but for their communities,
[4:51] Speaker 3: for their employers.
[4:52] Speaker 1: For their customers, for their supplies.
[4:55] Speaker 2: Now, in a second, I'll go through the key points
[4:58] Speaker 2: of the plan again to be fair to those who
[5:01] Speaker 2: say we haven't spoken enough about the positive moves that
[5:04] Speaker 2: the Liberal Party is trying to make to get itself
[5:06] Speaker 2: competitive again. That again is not a way of saying
[5:10] Speaker 2: that I'm concerned about one nation is. But it is
[5:13] Speaker 2: just responding to the feedback and being honest with the
[5:16] Speaker 2: people who are honest with me about what they like
[5:18] Speaker 2: and sometimes have been frustrated recently when it comes to
[5:21] Speaker 2: my take on the news. So again Angus Taylor is
[5:24] Speaker 2: saying it is the beginning of a plan. It's not
[5:26] Speaker 2: the whole plan, it's not the full details, but they
[5:29] Speaker 2: are the clear pillars under which he will try to
[5:33] Speaker 2: build a case for a change of government and to
[5:36] Speaker 2: make him the Prime minister.
[5:38] Speaker 4: It's very clear that our plan now is to differentiate
[5:43] Speaker 4: from a far labor government and to differentiate from others
[5:48] Speaker 4: by saying there is a way through this in Australias,
[5:51] Speaker 4: I understand are angry, losing hope, frustrated.
[5:54] Speaker 1: It's more to come and you'll see that in the plan.
[5:56] Speaker 4: It will actually there will be a page in the
[5:59] Speaker 4: plan which character.
[6:00] Speaker 2: Peble to read the pages available on the Liberal Party's website.
[6:04] Speaker 2: I'm going to show you some of the things that
[6:06] Speaker 2: are in the plan. Again, the source material here is
[6:09] Speaker 2: what was released today by the Liberal Party. But the
[6:11] Speaker 2: simple promise is to fix the economy and protect our
[6:14] Speaker 2: way of life. Now, obviously, fix the economy means many
[6:18] Speaker 2: different things, including to turn the tide on the mistakes
[6:22] Speaker 2: the government's made and protecting our way of life. Again,
[6:25] Speaker 2: multiple things, but two very clear statements about where they
[6:28] Speaker 2: want to go. The four main pillars of the case
[6:33] Speaker 2: the Liberal Party wants to put to the country is
[6:36] Speaker 2: Number one, lower taxes. Number two is cheaper power, Number
[6:40] Speaker 2: three is less migration and more homes, and fourth is
[6:45] Speaker 2: putting Australians first. Now again I'm reading directly from their
[6:51] Speaker 2: policy document to give you a little more information about
[6:55] Speaker 2: the pillars of the plan that they're putting in place.
[6:57] Speaker 1: Number one, we.
[6:59] Speaker 2: Will stop Labor's assault on aspiration by acting every one
[7:02] Speaker 2: of Labour's toxic taxes, including the tax back guarantee and
[7:07] Speaker 2: backing small business. The second paragraph is of course a
[7:11] Speaker 2: statement about the assault on aspiration that came out of
[7:14] Speaker 2: the budget. The second which is a plan for cheaper power.
[7:20] Speaker 2: Australians are paying the price of Labour's reckless energy and
[7:22] Speaker 2: emission policies. Under Labour power prices are far too high.
[7:25] Speaker 2: The Coalition will scrap near zero and make Australia a
[7:29] Speaker 2: energy superpower. We will deliver cheaper power and energy abundance.
[7:33] Speaker 2: Detail again on the website. Three, our migration plan is
[7:37] Speaker 2: for less migration and more homes. The Coalition will link
[7:40] Speaker 2: Australia's migration intake to the number of new homes built.
[7:45] Speaker 2: And Fourth, our plan to put Australians first. Because of
[7:49] Speaker 2: labors out of control spinning, Australians are paying more for
[7:52] Speaker 2: everything due to high inflation, and our debt is set
[7:55] Speaker 2: to hit one trillion dollars for the first time. So
[7:58] Speaker 2: these are the four pillars. Now, what is really interesting
[8:03] Speaker 2: about all of the opinion polling. Regardless of whether the
[8:06] Speaker 2: Labor Party is the most popular political party in the country,
[8:10] Speaker 2: one Nation is the most popular political party, the Liberal
[8:14] Speaker 2: Party becomes the second, or one Nation becomes the second.
[8:18] Speaker 2: The reality has been preferences and regardless of whether it
[8:21] Speaker 2: has been Susan Lee or Angus Taylor or the surge
[8:27] Speaker 2: that is Paul En Hansen. Essentially the two party preferred
[8:31] Speaker 2: break in Australia between the center left and the center
[8:34] Speaker 2: right is fifty five forty five. That of course resulted
[8:37] Speaker 2: in well the ninety seats for the government. Well, after
[8:41] Speaker 2: all of the noise, all of the changes, all of
[8:43] Speaker 2: the disruption, all of the angst. The number tonight, according
[8:47] Speaker 2: to the Morgan Pole, is still fifty five forty five. Now,
[8:54] Speaker 2: it's not for me to sit here and say that
[8:56] Speaker 2: this policy is a good idea and that policy is
[8:58] Speaker 2: a bad idea, because that's how you win elections.
[9:01] Speaker 1: I never profess to.
[9:03] Speaker 2: Know anything other than the power of observing what has
[9:07] Speaker 2: worked what hasn't worked as well. Now, the argument that
[9:11] Speaker 2: has existed for a long time inside the coalition, particularly
[9:13] Speaker 2: around things like net zero, is that there's only one
[9:17] Speaker 2: version of the story that has been heard. But again,
[9:20] Speaker 2: the Opposition changed its position many months ago and has
[9:24] Speaker 2: been arguing against that change when it comes to net zero,
[9:27] Speaker 2: and it's barely moved the polls. That's not me saying
[9:31] Speaker 2: that it's not the right thing to do. And obviously
[9:33] Speaker 2: I think this government has gone way too far. But
[9:35] Speaker 2: I have to be honest. I think it's great when
[9:39] Speaker 2: they focus on the economy because it is their single
[9:41] Speaker 2: strongest suit.
[9:42] Speaker 1: Remember, over the past.
[9:44] Speaker 2: Few nights, I've been explaining about the types of issues
[9:46] Speaker 2: that are the strongest ground for the different political parties
[9:50] Speaker 2: to be fighting on. When we're talking about culture and
[9:53] Speaker 2: immigration and crime good for one nation, when we're talking
[9:55] Speaker 2: about welfare and handouts, and essentially the social safety good
[10:00] Speaker 2: for labor, when we're talking about national security or the
[10:03] Speaker 2: national finance is good for the Liberal Party. And the
[10:06] Speaker 2: truth is that over three years, all of those become
[10:10] Speaker 2: the headline story. The plan of the government is to
[10:13] Speaker 2: try to turn their version into the final argument that
[10:16] Speaker 2: people make before going to the polls.
[10:20] Speaker 1: But can I just focus in on one thing.
[10:23] Speaker 2: That I think the Liberal Party needs to get a
[10:24] Speaker 2: little bit sharper on, and that is the number one
[10:27] Speaker 2: part of their plan and the language in and around it,
[10:31] Speaker 2: Because the most popular thing that was said by any
[10:34] Speaker 2: political leader in and around the budget was when Angus Taylor,
[10:37] Speaker 2: in response to the budget wanted to stop bracket creep. Now,
[10:43] Speaker 2: the messaging if you happen to go to the website,
[10:46] Speaker 2: if you happen to read the front page, if you
[10:49] Speaker 2: happen to read the beginning of the chapters again, the
[10:54] Speaker 2: detail reads as followers, we will stop labors are sold
[10:57] Speaker 2: on aspiration by acting every one of labor's toxic taxes,
[11:00] Speaker 2: including the tax back guarantee and backing small business. Labour's
[11:04] Speaker 2: budget is an assault on aspiration and under labor. The
[11:06] Speaker 2: cost of everything's going up. Anthony Ibneasy's broken promises on
[11:10] Speaker 2: capital gains, trusts and negative gearing mean Australians pay more now.
[11:13] Speaker 2: All of that is correct, All of that is true,
[11:17] Speaker 2: but we will stop bracket creep. Here is my pledge
[11:22] Speaker 2: on bracket creep. Here is the signature underneath the key
[11:25] Speaker 2: promises of what success would be if there was a
[11:29] Speaker 2: change of government. Because as difficult as it is in
[11:33] Speaker 2: opposition to get the conversation to start to move your way,
[11:37] Speaker 2: it is incredibly difficult to be able to stay on
[11:40] Speaker 2: your message. Which is why when you have the moments
[11:43] Speaker 2: to be able to fire stop the boats, axt the
[11:47] Speaker 2: carbon tax and say it over and over and over
[11:50] Speaker 2: and over and over again until you're sick of it.
[11:52] Speaker 2: Your hardcore supporters are sick of it, the media is
[11:55] Speaker 2: sick of it. But you keep saying it, then the
[11:58] Speaker 2: message actually falls through to me. The references there when
[12:03] Speaker 2: it comes to the economy are just a little too
[12:06] Speaker 2: vague about a key promise that polling has shown us,
[12:10] Speaker 2: the same polling that shows us how on popular parts
[12:13] Speaker 2: of the budget were, that it was the biggest achievement
[12:17] Speaker 2: that the Liberals had made on a policy area since
[12:20] Speaker 2: the last election. To me, they should be front loading
[12:24] Speaker 2: the promise to end bracket creep as part of the
[12:27] Speaker 2: promise to fix the economy.
[12:30] Speaker 1: And protect the way of life.
[12:32] Speaker 2: Also, the second most popular thing that was discussed post
[12:35] Speaker 2: budget was again this idea of linking immigration to housing,
[12:39] Speaker 2: that if you are able to build one hundred thousand
[12:42] Speaker 2: new homes, then yes, the immigration picture becomes an extra
[12:45] Speaker 2: hundred thousand people. But if you don't build enough homes,
[12:47] Speaker 2: you don't open the door, you don't increase the cues
[12:50] Speaker 2: for everything. I wanted to show you all of this,
[12:53] Speaker 2: not because I think it's the single greatest thing I've
[12:54] Speaker 2: ever seen, or the beginning of the fight back, but
[12:57] Speaker 2: I wanted to be able to be fair to say
[13:00] Speaker 2: that they did something today that was an indication of
[13:03] Speaker 2: where they want to go, and I wanted you to
[13:05] Speaker 2: be able to see it and to hear it. Obviously,
[13:07] Speaker 2: you could read more about it on all of the
[13:09] Speaker 2: variety of social media that it's up to the Liberal
[13:11] Speaker 2: Party to get the message out on or of course,
[13:13] Speaker 2: on their own website, which is just simply go looking
[13:16] Speaker 2: for the Liberal Party website and then forward slash plan.
[13:20] Speaker 2: As for the leaders, well again they think that they
[13:22] Speaker 2: have started to put one foot forward in one hell
[13:25] Speaker 2: of a journey between now and the next election.
[13:28] Speaker 5: An alternative is a credible plan with a credible team,
[13:32] Speaker 5: and that's what Angus Taylor and I have been launching today,
[13:35] Speaker 5: a plan to fix the economy and to protect our
[13:38] Speaker 5: way of life by lowering taxes, by lowering energy prices,
[13:43] Speaker 5: by linking migration and housing, the most important link that
[13:46] Speaker 5: you can make, and most importantly, by putting Australians first
[13:50] Speaker 5: every step of the way.
[13:52] Speaker 2: Now, the past couple of days you have been seeing
[13:55] Speaker 2: the story starting to build where at the National Conference
[13:57] Speaker 2: of the Labor Party this weekend that'll apparently be a
[14:00] Speaker 2: push from a union to remove the union jack from
[14:03] Speaker 2: the Australian flag. Of course it won't get out of
[14:05] Speaker 2: first gear, but it's something that someone believes to be
[14:08] Speaker 2: the priority. The greatest priority of course in the country
[14:11] Speaker 2: right now has cost of living. But no, this is
[14:13] Speaker 2: what must be focused on. The union are the manufacturing Workers'
[14:17] Speaker 2: Union not an insignificant union?
[14:20] Speaker 1: Says quote.
[14:20] Speaker 2: We need to strip away the constant reminders of the
[14:23] Speaker 2: old ruling class and colonial empire. Symbols of oppression like
[14:27] Speaker 2: the union jack on our flag and offensive colonial statues
[14:31] Speaker 2: must be removed from public life. Working class people today
[14:35] Speaker 2: did not commit these colonial crimes, but they have inherited
[14:38] Speaker 2: a system that emerged from them. WHOA what a little sidebar.
[14:43] Speaker 2: That is literally the people who are involved in the
[14:47] Speaker 2: industrialization of the country are now trying to pretend that
[14:51] Speaker 2: there's a kind of problem with the industrialization of the
[14:53] Speaker 2: country anyway, a system that favors the rich and powerful.
[14:56] Speaker 2: We therefore inherent the obligation to fix its biggest wrongs.
[15:04] Speaker 2: A little bit of a distance from the mega wins
[15:06] Speaker 2: of the Labor Party in the nineteen eighties, when it
[15:09] Speaker 2: wasn't just the Union jack, it was the entire Australian flag.
[15:13] Speaker 2: That wasn't there for one or two but basically all
[15:15] Speaker 2: of Bob Hawk's time as the Prime Minister put Australia first.
[15:19] Speaker 2: Now more associated with a one nation the Australian flag,
[15:23] Speaker 2: more associated with the Liberal Party than the Labor Party.
[15:27] Speaker 2: Yet again a reminder that you have not changed, they
[15:30] Speaker 2: have changed. You are from a place where the national
[15:34] Speaker 2: symbol is that flag. If we vote to change it,
[15:38] Speaker 2: then fine, we vote to change it. Until then that's
[15:41] Speaker 2: the national symbol. The concept of your government putting you
[15:45] Speaker 2: and your family concern first was something that nobody argued,
[15:51] Speaker 2: both major sides of politics, but now so ashamed of
[15:56] Speaker 2: the flag, it's know, any of their own logo, and
[15:58] Speaker 2: even the people that are at the muscle of the
[16:01] Speaker 2: Labor Party and our trying to pretend that effectively we
[16:03] Speaker 2: should be walking away from the bit in the corner,
[16:06] Speaker 2: as if the bit of the corner was nothing more
[16:08] Speaker 2: than problems. But of course the bit in the corner
[16:11] Speaker 2: is the very thing that has led to modern Australia.
[16:13] Speaker 2: Modern Australia that in part, of course, has been built
[16:15] Speaker 2: by the members of the Australian Manufacturing Workers' Union. But
[16:22] Speaker 2: union leadership can often be far leftier than presumably the
[16:26] Speaker 2: working union leadership could be a little bit different than
[16:29] Speaker 2: the members, let alone the people that are of course
[16:30] Speaker 2: the customers of what these people build. But the reason
[16:34] Speaker 2: I mentioned all of this, because the story is a
[16:36] Speaker 2: couple of days old, is because perhaps the greatest communications
[16:40] Speaker 2: decision from this current government is to keep sending out
[16:43] Speaker 2: clueless Clare O'Neil. Now they think that everyone doesn't notice
[16:48] Speaker 2: that every time she opens her mouth on breakfast television
[16:51] Speaker 2: to very significant audiences time and time again, that she
[16:55] Speaker 2: makes things worse for herself worse for the Labor Party.
[17:00] Speaker 2: Perhaps one of the reasons why, yes, the Liberal Party
[17:02] Speaker 2: of course is where it is, but the Labor Party
[17:04] Speaker 2: has gone backwards since the last election is when you
[17:08] Speaker 2: already know the union jack is going to stay on
[17:11] Speaker 2: the flag because there's not going to be enough votes
[17:13] Speaker 2: to get it to the party conference, and even then
[17:15] Speaker 2: it's not binding the Prime Minister. Of course, you used
[17:18] Speaker 2: to have a Minister for the Republic and then after
[17:20] Speaker 2: getting his ass handed termm with the Yes and no
[17:24] Speaker 2: referendum in relation to the Indigenous Advisory Body, he.
[17:28] Speaker 1: Got rid of that.
[17:29] Speaker 2: So there's going to be no big changes like that,
[17:32] Speaker 2: at least in the next little while under Albernezi. But
[17:36] Speaker 2: of course he could change his position as we have seen. So, Minister,
[17:41] Speaker 2: do you agree with getting rid of the union jack
[17:44] Speaker 2: from our national flag? Put simply, do you still support
[17:48] Speaker 2: the Australian flag?
[17:49] Speaker 1: Easy answer? Right, behold this squirm?
[17:54] Speaker 6: Are you up for changing the flag?
[17:56] Speaker 7: I'm here in Adelaide for Labour's national conference.
[17:59] Speaker 8: Would you be up for changing it?
[18:00] Speaker 9: Claire?
[18:01] Speaker 7: Look and that that's just not what the conference is about.
[18:04] Speaker 8: Yes or no, Claire.
[18:06] Speaker 7: Again, Nat, Sorry, it's not something that I've had a
[18:08] Speaker 7: moment to think about.
[18:09] Speaker 8: Yes or no, I'm changing the union.
[18:11] Speaker 6: Jack.
[18:11] Speaker 7: I'm telling you as Housing Minister, I don't spend my
[18:14] Speaker 7: time thinking about the national flag.
[18:16] Speaker 8: It's been in the paper today. You've got a head start,
[18:19] Speaker 8: yes or no.
[18:20] Speaker 7: Genuinely haven't given it a second's thought. This conference three
[18:24] Speaker 7: minutes thinking about thinking about thinking about the housing issues
[18:27] Speaker 7: facing the country and how I can help people at home.
[18:30] Speaker 7: And I'm really respectful of your question, but if I
[18:32] Speaker 7: can say directly, I'm focused on the things that Australians
[18:35] Speaker 7: are talking about around the kitchen's table.
[18:36] Speaker 1: Yes or no, I'm changing the union.
[18:39] Speaker 8: Jack, let's not go through it again.
[18:43] Speaker 5: This feels like the Alberanzi government is not ruling out
[18:45] Speaker 5: a change in the flag this morning.
[18:47] Speaker 7: That's the story that literally has never been contemplated.
[18:50] Speaker 2: That so one of two things is the case. She
[18:55] Speaker 2: loves the flag the way it is, no need for
[18:57] Speaker 2: a change, but she's got to traverse the politics because
[19:00] Speaker 2: of course they all think they'll be leader one day.
[19:02] Speaker 2: And the sad news for Clara O'Neil is of course
[19:04] Speaker 2: you're going to get Chalmers Prime Minister. Then you're going
[19:06] Speaker 2: to get Anaka Wells. Maybe she can be fourth in
[19:09] Speaker 2: line to the throne. But there's already a much bigger failure,
[19:12] Speaker 2: much bigger two failures that will end up being able
[19:14] Speaker 2: to ascend to the leadership that will get ten years
[19:17] Speaker 2: each because of course it's center left now it all
[19:19] Speaker 2: be Labor Party forever, right, Well, it keeps going. The
[19:26] Speaker 2: other one, of course, is that she does want to
[19:29] Speaker 2: change the flag and just knows that that's going to
[19:31] Speaker 2: go down like a lead balloon.
[19:32] Speaker 1: Anyway, one more time, NAT the flag the Union Jack?
[19:36] Speaker 6: Should we take it off the flag?
[19:37] Speaker 1: Claire?
[19:38] Speaker 7: Look, my personal view is no, Nat, But I'm not
[19:41] Speaker 7: going to get into a debate about that. The government's
[19:43] Speaker 7: focus and that people I do not my caring.
[19:48] Speaker 1: How hard is it? Right?
[19:49] Speaker 2: So the position is no, keep things as they are.
[19:51] Speaker 2: So when you got to asked the question the first time,
[19:54] Speaker 2: if you were able to come up with a position
[19:56] Speaker 2: in that two minutes, I think you might have had
[19:58] Speaker 2: one going into it.
[19:59] Speaker 1: You were just trying to work out how hard is it?
[20:01] Speaker 2: Or she doesn't want to offend the Australian manufacturing Workers' Union.
[20:05] Speaker 2: Is that because they would be involved in deciding who
[20:07] Speaker 2: the next minister is or who the faction. All this,
[20:09] Speaker 2: that and the other is a little insighting to have
[20:11] Speaker 2: the sausages made government style. As for Pauline Hanson, another day,
[20:18] Speaker 2: another media focus on comments that she makes.
[20:23] Speaker 10: Oh such apology from the party leader over these comments
[20:26] Speaker 10: about a much more prevalent problem, domestic violence.
[20:30] Speaker 3: Saying women should get out of abusive relationships though many can't,
[20:34] Speaker 3: and that men can be domestic violence victims too.
[20:38] Speaker 1: Now what does she actually say?
[20:41] Speaker 2: Here is the full exchange on four BC with Gary Hardgrave,
[20:44] Speaker 2: who now does mornings on that station in beautiful Brisbille.
[20:48] Speaker 1: What's your message, Pauline Hanson to blugs.
[20:51] Speaker 10: Who lose their bottle, who get angry and bash and
[20:55] Speaker 10: hurt their intimate partners, full.
[20:57] Speaker 9: Of lose wrong, But it's all it's also two way street.
[21:02] Speaker 9: But I'm not saying that it's just men and women
[21:06] Speaker 9: can lose their cruel as well. Society is under so
[21:10] Speaker 9: much pressure, Gary, than what it used to be. Ever
[21:12] Speaker 9: has been passed, and I think today everyone's sitting on
[21:17] Speaker 9: a time bomb because the pressures of costs of living
[21:21] Speaker 9: and people having to be able to pay the bills,
[21:25] Speaker 9: tension that's going on, or if you lose your job,
[21:27] Speaker 9: or the kids. What's happening with the children these days?
[21:32] Speaker 9: Everyone is under so much pressure.
[21:35] Speaker 1: Now.
[21:35] Speaker 2: When I first heard about this, of course I've read
[21:37] Speaker 2: the same headline that you did. I pucket in the
[21:40] Speaker 2: same way that you did. When I heard the first
[21:43] Speaker 2: summation of this, I went, well, this is a red line.
[21:47] Speaker 1: Again.
[21:47] Speaker 2: I can support so much of what one nation is about.
[21:50] Speaker 2: I can be interested in the leadership of Paul and Anson,
[21:52] Speaker 2: but this is a red line that has been crossed.
[21:55] Speaker 2: But of course when you actually listen to everything that
[21:58] Speaker 2: was said, there is obvious a lot more gray in
[22:01] Speaker 2: the statement. Even if you were somebody who was trying
[22:04] Speaker 2: to find where the red line had been crossed, you
[22:07] Speaker 2: heard the bit at the start, right the immediate it
[22:10] Speaker 2: is wrong. We got to the two side stuff, which,
[22:13] Speaker 2: again if you just read in the headline as it
[22:15] Speaker 2: will be no doubt, sort of whispered and echoed on
[22:18] Speaker 2: the internet. It makes it seem like there's some level
[22:20] Speaker 2: of victim blaming. But very obviously, again, whether you like
[22:24] Speaker 2: or dislike the message, what was she saying? She're not
[22:26] Speaker 2: talking about victims. She was talking about the perpetrators. Where
[22:31] Speaker 2: I do think the red line was crossed was this
[22:33] Speaker 2: idea about being able to get up and leave.
[22:37] Speaker 1: Now.
[22:37] Speaker 2: I would love that to be the case for every
[22:39] Speaker 2: single person who is the victim of abuse. I would
[22:41] Speaker 2: love that to be the case for every kid who
[22:43] Speaker 2: was the victim of abuse. But for obvious reasons, if
[22:47] Speaker 2: you don't have a job, if you don't have the money,
[22:48] Speaker 2: if you don't have the accommodation, if you don't have
[22:50] Speaker 2: somewhere else to go, If because of the relationship that
[22:52] Speaker 2: you are in with the husband or wife, the girlfriend
[22:57] Speaker 2: or boyfriend, whatever the relationship happens to be, and perhaps
[23:00] Speaker 2: you've become distant from your family as a result of it,
[23:02] Speaker 2: you may have nowhere to go, let alone your ability
[23:05] Speaker 2: to go because of the emotional abuse in the relationship
[23:09] Speaker 2: where you're always being looked at. These are the issues
[23:14] Speaker 2: that are deeply important. There are lots of controversial things
[23:18] Speaker 2: to be said about the family court, and Paul and
[23:20] Speaker 2: Hanson talked about for a long time. There are plenty
[23:22] Speaker 2: of conversations to be had about dad's rights and men's rights.
[23:26] Speaker 2: But for obvious reasons, there are a very serious number
[23:31] Speaker 2: of people who for this issue, this is so sensitive
[23:34] Speaker 2: because it is something that they have lived or is
[23:35] Speaker 2: something that they fear. So no doubt this will be
[23:39] Speaker 2: one of many things that will bring up with Paul
[23:40] Speaker 2: and Hansen when she is here on Tuesday night. But
[23:44] Speaker 2: yet again, play the full clip and it's always a
[23:47] Speaker 2: little bit different than the fore word headline that you read,
[23:51] Speaker 2: or the headline about the headline when somebody says that
[23:53] Speaker 2: they're offended about the headline that they read. Paul and
[23:57] Speaker 2: Hansen here Tuesday night, We're going to have a full
[23:59] Speaker 2: student of questions for her, a full batch of questions
[24:03] Speaker 2: from around the country, and again an opportunity to hear
[24:06] Speaker 2: on a whole collection of different issues. We're not going
[24:08] Speaker 2: to sit there and just relitigate the past week. It
[24:11] Speaker 2: is about trying to look forward to a plan for
[24:13] Speaker 2: the country. And again, just to show some seriousness about
[24:16] Speaker 2: this issue, there are people that are in abusive relationships
[24:20] Speaker 2: who have got things like a burner phone, a secret
[24:24] Speaker 2: mobile phone that maybe their partner doesn't know about, because
[24:27] Speaker 2: this is the emergency contact with the outside world that
[24:30] Speaker 2: the abusive partner doesn't know about. Now, the reason I
[24:34] Speaker 2: am mentioning This is because on Monday of next week,
[24:38] Speaker 2: every single mobile phone in the country is going to
[24:40] Speaker 2: start screaming at us. It is a test of an
[24:44] Speaker 2: emergency alert system, something that would mean they press a
[24:48] Speaker 2: red button if there's a giant bushfire, if there's a flight,
[24:52] Speaker 2: if there's a big natural disaster or a security situation,
[24:55] Speaker 2: a way of talking to everyone at once, but they
[24:57] Speaker 2: need to test the system. The system has been tested
[25:00] Speaker 2: on Monday. If you are someone who is watching us
[25:03] Speaker 2: tonight who has such a device, the advice is to
[25:07] Speaker 2: turn it off for the full twenty four hours of Monday.
[25:11] Speaker 2: Domestic violence campaigners the National Emergency Management Agency have also
[25:16] Speaker 2: repeated the advice that people who have a secret safe
[25:18] Speaker 2: phone keep it hidden for personal safety reasons, turn off
[25:22] Speaker 2: the device for up to twenty four hours as the test.
[25:25] Speaker 1: Is scheduled for two pm on Monday.
[25:29] Speaker 2: And as always, to anyone in those situations, strength, love, empathy,
[25:33] Speaker 2: and of course any and anything that the wider wel
[25:36] Speaker 2: can do to support you. I hope you get that
[25:39] Speaker 2: support and love. And to anyone anyone who is abusive
[25:43] Speaker 2: to their partner, turn off this show because it's not
[25:46] Speaker 2: for you, particularly for the blokes.
[25:50] Speaker 1: The extreme majority of us who would die for.
[25:53] Speaker 2: The women and kids in our lives, those who are
[25:56] Speaker 2: abusive to their partners. You're a describe and I hope
[26:01] Speaker 2: the law catches up with you. Now if you were well,
[26:06] Speaker 2: I never went to journalism school, but let me all
[26:09] Speaker 2: let us all go through a journalism school here, right,
[26:12] Speaker 2: which is it's not really controversial if a dog bites
[26:17] Speaker 2: a person, So a headline dog bites man, it's not
[26:21] Speaker 2: really news because that's kind of what's supposed to happen.
[26:24] Speaker 2: And then the alternative of a man biting a dog
[26:26] Speaker 2: is apparently that's newsworthy because that's not supposed to happen.
[26:32] Speaker 1: Well, then we have the third.
[26:33] Speaker 2: One, which is man yells at dog and didn't the
[26:38] Speaker 2: media eat this one up this week? Right now, she's
[26:42] Speaker 2: Australia's most famous dog.
[26:44] Speaker 7: The barking mad moment on live TV that's lit up
[26:47] Speaker 7: the internet.
[26:48] Speaker 3: One Nation MP Barnaby Joyce has yelled his dog with.
[26:52] Speaker 6: This outburst at his barking dog.
[26:54] Speaker 5: Tell us about that interruption that took place slut on air.
[26:57] Speaker 8: Right, Well, there was a dog in the background.
[27:00] Speaker 1: Oh and we've wasted lots of TV time talking about it.
[27:05] Speaker 6: But the thing is you can test a man's character
[27:07] Speaker 6: and how he treats animals and the fact that he
[27:10] Speaker 6: was so aggressive honestly.
[27:12] Speaker 7: Because he was like that on live TV.
[27:15] Speaker 2: Oh, on the hot takes, there have been just column
[27:18] Speaker 2: inches as they used to call them. But let's put
[27:20] Speaker 2: it this way. Key strokes of advice about how yelling
[27:24] Speaker 2: at a dog is akin to a war crime, as
[27:27] Speaker 2: Barnaby said last night, including this little one about some
[27:31] Speaker 2: soft parenting for your furry family members. And if you
[27:34] Speaker 2: have raised your voice, there are ways to make amends.
[27:37] Speaker 2: You have to make amends with the pet okay quote. Sadly,
[27:41] Speaker 2: we can't just apologize to our dogs, but there are
[27:43] Speaker 2: things that we can do to help them decompress following
[27:46] Speaker 2: stressful events. Decompression walks are my favorite, as allowing and
[27:51] Speaker 2: even encouraging our dogs to put their big noses to
[27:55] Speaker 2: work and use the superior sense of smell as extremely relaxing,
[27:59] Speaker 2: satisfying and rich and also tiring for our dogs. Now,
[28:04] Speaker 2: this is probably the best way to manage a pet.
[28:07] Speaker 2: And I'll be honest, we haven't done the most amazing
[28:09] Speaker 2: job of training Chase, who was of course our family dog.
[28:14] Speaker 2: But when I get home often rather late at night
[28:17] Speaker 2: for obvious reasons. It starts barking an awful lot and
[28:22] Speaker 2: wakes the whole house up, and I will try to
[28:25] Speaker 2: softly say Chase, he keeps barking, so unsurprisingly at some
[28:30] Speaker 2: point you kind of have to step it up.
[28:32] Speaker 1: A little bit. Never violent, never have the topic. You
[28:34] Speaker 1: should step it up a little bit. And I'm not
[28:36] Speaker 1: entirely sure that we can.
[28:37] Speaker 2: Go for a decompression walk at midnight, littlone one am.
[28:42] Speaker 2: I don't know whether the neighbors would be too happy
[28:44] Speaker 2: to be seeing me or Chase running around the streets
[28:46] Speaker 2: of our souberb on.
[28:48] Speaker 1: A decompression walk. Anyway.
[28:54] Speaker 2: As for Bunny Joyce, he's actually dealt with it again
[28:57] Speaker 2: because this apparently is the single most important thing that
[28:59] Speaker 2: we have to talk about in the country.
[29:00] Speaker 1: Anyway, Technically he has now said.
[29:03] Speaker 10: Sorry, Sarah Ferguson's getting a fair run up and giving
[29:07] Speaker 10: me some media chin music, and I can't. I'm not
[29:10] Speaker 10: on the balls of my toes. I'm not playing the
[29:12] Speaker 10: good shots. So I'm getting a little bit angry. Then
[29:14] Speaker 10: I'm getting really angry, and then I assault I verbally
[29:19] Speaker 10: assaulted the dog, which I'm incredibly sorry for It's.
[29:26] Speaker 2: A national shame, isn't it. Decompression walks, Look again the experts,
[29:31] Speaker 2: that's what they say. That's fine, that's their expertise, right,
[29:33] Speaker 2: and again their dog's much more better behaved than ouns
[29:36] Speaker 2: decompression walks. Can you imagine that you'd be in the
[29:38] Speaker 2: mood for the decompression talk when the dog is annoying
[29:42] Speaker 2: you enough to be able to say, I don't think so.
[29:45] Speaker 2: It's the real world. But anyway, we're on the wrong
[29:47] Speaker 2: side of things, aren't we. Or a quick breakpack with
[29:50] Speaker 2: more plenty to discuss here tonight Meegan Kelly. Before we
[29:52] Speaker 2: are done here on Paul my real life, you can
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[30:02] Speaker 1: The closest lefty that you've got.
[30:03] Speaker 2: All right, what do our panel think about the little
[30:05] Speaker 2: party plan for how to get back in the fight?
[30:07] Speaker 1: They're rating?
[30:08] Speaker 2: Next, let's get into the chat right now. None other
[30:15] Speaker 2: than the delightful Lisa Goddard is here in.
[30:19] Speaker 1: The man Cave. Thank you very much, Love the man Cave,
[30:21] Speaker 1: the Queen of.
[30:21] Speaker 2: A DONI media lovely to see her and Stephen Conroy
[30:24] Speaker 2: Joneses and Adelaide because he's here to help. And here
[30:26] Speaker 2: to help is the Labor Party conference where everything's already
[30:29] Speaker 2: been decided and all the fights are really fake okay,
[30:32] Speaker 2: but still you know, just you pull it all together
[30:35] Speaker 2: for us made. So, Lisa, your thoughts about about how
[30:39] Speaker 2: everything got interpreted today around Pauline Hanson and when the
[30:44] Speaker 2: question of domestic violence. I think it is very obvious
[30:47] Speaker 2: that she is talking about perpetrators. I think there is
[30:50] Speaker 2: something to talk about, which is about the capacity just
[30:53] Speaker 2: to just walk away. But it's a little bit of
[30:57] Speaker 2: a raw shack test where obviously because it's hands and
[30:59] Speaker 2: everyone has a certain reaction, but a very significant number
[31:03] Speaker 2: of people only read the headline. Headline ends up being
[31:05] Speaker 2: two words from the interview and then the headline that reacts.
[31:08] Speaker 1: To the headline is outrageous.
[31:10] Speaker 2: Hanson, both you and then we're off to people sort
[31:13] Speaker 2: of forgetting what the original thing is about that said,
[31:16] Speaker 2: How do you feel about what was said?
[31:18] Speaker 6: Look, it's a really difficult subject and everybody understands that, yes,
[31:22] Speaker 6: women are victims of domestic violence, and men can also
[31:25] Speaker 6: be victims of domestic violence. And I think what Hanson,
[31:28] Speaker 6: I think she tried to do is straddle that. It's
[31:30] Speaker 6: pretty much don't even type rope. It's dental floss of
[31:33] Speaker 6: getting it right. So she I think she was saying
[31:35] Speaker 6: to exactly, yeah, I know exactly. So I think she
[31:38] Speaker 6: was trying to do the right thing by saying, look,
[31:40] Speaker 6: it's not just women. Majority of cases are women who
[31:43] Speaker 6: are victims, but there are men. So now she's been
[31:47] Speaker 6: splashed all across the headlines everywhere as saying that she's
[31:50] Speaker 6: said the wrong thing, that she's making women to look
[31:55] Speaker 6: to be almost weak if you don't walk away. And
[31:57] Speaker 6: I think that is the greatest soul ever to any
[32:01] Speaker 6: woman who as all men, who has ever walked away
[32:03] Speaker 6: from domestic violence or had to try to convince a
[32:06] Speaker 6: family member to do it because there just aren't the places.
[32:09] Speaker 1: For them to go.
[32:10] Speaker 6: There was a refuge in Tasmania that was quoting eighty
[32:13] Speaker 6: percent of people who turn up, they have to turn away.
[32:16] Speaker 6: So imagine finding the courage to walk away and then
[32:20] Speaker 6: having nowhere to go. So I think, rather than politicize
[32:24] Speaker 6: what Pauline Hansen is talking about, make it a real
[32:27] Speaker 6: political issue and come up with some actual policies and
[32:31] Speaker 6: some funding that changes it well.
[32:33] Speaker 2: And also half of the media that no doubt has
[32:35] Speaker 2: said today spent time talking about this coming from this
[32:37] Speaker 2: perception of weak care. Have they passed on that message
[32:40] Speaker 2: about the safe phone, about the backup phone. If they haven't,
[32:43] Speaker 2: then you know the true feeling about the issue and
[32:46] Speaker 2: the sensitivity and the complications about the people that are
[32:49] Speaker 2: in those situations right now now, Stephen, again, of the
[32:52] Speaker 2: many things of which Paul and Hansen will say, believe,
[32:54] Speaker 2: senators say, or believe, I think there's putting a low
[32:57] Speaker 2: hanging fruit to get far more angry about am I, however,
[33:02] Speaker 2: just looking for the half full as opposed to the
[33:04] Speaker 2: half empty heat.
[33:07] Speaker 1: Look.
[33:08] Speaker 11: Because of the words she used her self two way Street,
[33:11] Speaker 11: it implies to some degree of evenness in this horrendous circumstance.
[33:19] Speaker 11: So well, firstly, so she implied that she should back
[33:23] Speaker 11: that up with some sort of policy. I mean overwhelmingly,
[33:26] Speaker 11: overwhelmingly unfortunately it's males abusing females. If she wanted to
[33:32] Speaker 11: say a tiny fraction, a small proportion, you could legitimately
[33:36] Speaker 11: say that she didn't. But then to take Linda's point.
[33:38] Speaker 11: She doesn't offer a policy solution. She doesn't say and
[33:41] Speaker 11: what we should be doing about this is providing funding
[33:44] Speaker 11: for more shelters. She's incapable of going past a slogan.
[33:48] Speaker 11: That is her challenge, and she's going to be held
[33:50] Speaker 11: to account for that. Paul You're going to do it
[33:52] Speaker 11: in the next few days. But that is the challenge
[33:55] Speaker 11: that she has to meet. Well, you know, she keeps
[33:58] Speaker 11: talking about and answering questions about being well, come on,
[34:01] Speaker 11: let's actually have a policy solution rather than a slogan
[34:05] Speaker 11: or just outright criticism it.
[34:07] Speaker 6: Stephen, where is the money from the labor government right now?
[34:09] Speaker 6: Who are out there criticizing Pauline Hanson wherever they come
[34:12] Speaker 6: out today and said, Okay, here's all this extra funding
[34:15] Speaker 6: we're going to give to open up extra beds for
[34:17] Speaker 6: these women and children or men and their children who
[34:20] Speaker 6: have to find safety. Labor aren't doing that. They're quite
[34:22] Speaker 6: happy to go out there and take potshots at her.
[34:25] Speaker 11: No, I think that just ignores the reality of the
[34:27] Speaker 11: funding that both state and federal governments have when you're
[34:30] Speaker 11: enough into this general topic, and that's an argument that
[34:34] Speaker 11: she perhaps should have made. She should have said labor
[34:37] Speaker 11: governors should put more money. But for you to try
[34:38] Speaker 11: and say Labour's done nothing, I just don't think that is.
[34:41] Speaker 1: I'm not saying nothing rounded in any facts. Watch you
[34:43] Speaker 1: say not enough, not enough?
[34:45] Speaker 2: Yeah, well again, but I won't do Deman's money. What
[34:47] Speaker 2: you're trying to say, I think it's obvious what you're
[34:49] Speaker 2: saying here. All right, So the Liberal Party has a plan.
[34:52] Speaker 2: It is a booklet, it is a pamphlet. It is
[34:55] Speaker 2: a thing of which they will hold on to. But
[34:57] Speaker 2: it does seem to be something that is very It's
[35:01] Speaker 2: basically sort of you know, can't pass go, can't collect
[35:03] Speaker 2: two hundred dollars unless you have this particular document. Both
[35:07] Speaker 2: sides have held it up, both sides aversions of all
[35:10] Speaker 2: of this. But Stephen, again, did you see anything in
[35:13] Speaker 2: the four pillars the key messaging? Again, No one's pretending
[35:18] Speaker 2: just because you pressed print that it's all worked out.
[35:21] Speaker 2: But was there the beginnings of a coherent fight back
[35:25] Speaker 2: there or did you see a recommitment to what has
[35:30] Speaker 2: been progressively increasingly rejected by the Australian people.
[35:36] Speaker 11: Look first, that it's important that they try and put
[35:38] Speaker 11: a stake in the ground on some issues, and if
[35:41] Speaker 11: you're being generous, it was a stake in the ground.
[35:44] Speaker 11: Two or three other points just slogans with not a
[35:47] Speaker 11: lot of meat behind them. And I know, Paul, you
[35:50] Speaker 11: talked about this in your trail and you've been excited
[35:51] Speaker 11: about this since the Budget night a response, but bracket creep.
[35:58] Speaker 11: I hope that in two years time able to explain
[36:00] Speaker 11: what that means to the average Australian and why their
[36:03] Speaker 11: lives are going to be better off, because because it's
[36:06] Speaker 11: a very very difficult thing to explain to the majority
[36:10] Speaker 11: of Australians, because it's complex. You can't see it, you
[36:14] Speaker 11: can't touch it, you can't describe it, you can't quantify it.
[36:18] Speaker 11: And so I think he's got a real challenge. So
[36:20] Speaker 11: as much as the principle behind it might be a
[36:23] Speaker 11: worthy one, and it might be a very liberal party
[36:26] Speaker 11: centric worthy one, I don't think it is particularly but
[36:30] Speaker 11: it's going to be just very very hard to make
[36:33] Speaker 11: people understand what it means for them in their daily lives,
[36:36] Speaker 11: why they're going to be better off because of it.
[36:39] Speaker 2: That's fair and also, I mean something that much easier
[36:41] Speaker 2: we all understand, right, which is housing in immigration, right,
[36:44] Speaker 2: that makes sense but then we all know all of
[36:46] Speaker 2: the inevitable sort of conversations, and if you do use
[36:49] Speaker 2: the E word, then somehow you're attacking certain communities, so
[36:52] Speaker 2: we all know how that goes to. But still, Lisa, again,
[36:54] Speaker 2: somebody who understands how to launch a ship when it
[36:57] Speaker 2: comes to communication, what did you think of it?
[36:59] Speaker 1: Again?
[37:00] Speaker 2: Nobody believes anything other than a stake in the ground today.
[37:03] Speaker 2: Was it a significant one? Was it just a very
[37:06] Speaker 2: small post? Was it credit for trying?
[37:08] Speaker 6: Do I dare say overdue? A long overdue one? And Steven,
[37:12] Speaker 6: I think you'll agree with me on this. If you
[37:13] Speaker 6: look at what the four points were for the what
[37:16] Speaker 6: Liberal Party put out, it pretty much echoes a lot
[37:19] Speaker 6: of what Pauline Hanson has been saying near on over
[37:22] Speaker 6: the past thirty years, a lot of it. So in
[37:24] Speaker 6: many ways she's drafted this. They've listened to what the
[37:27] Speaker 6: voters have been saying, and they've just reduced it down
[37:30] Speaker 6: to some fine points. There's a few interesting talking points
[37:32] Speaker 6: and there I saw one about it's the red light
[37:34] Speaker 6: stop for something else and some jarg and they've thrown
[37:37] Speaker 6: in to try to be great for the headlines. So
[37:39] Speaker 6: I don't know how much. We'll see Angus Taylor push
[37:41] Speaker 6: that out now. But his job really is, like Stephen said,
[37:44] Speaker 6: he has to get out there and he has to
[37:46] Speaker 6: explain this in a way that the average person understands it.
[37:49] Speaker 6: And the challenge is not looking like your one nation like, yeah.
[37:53] Speaker 2: Well this is it right, I mean again the bedevling
[37:56] Speaker 2: problem for the Liberal Party right, which is to be
[37:57] Speaker 2: accused if you move into too far to labor life.
[38:00] Speaker 2: If you move the other it's one nation light again.
[38:02] Speaker 2: And I think this problem structurally kicks in for the
[38:04] Speaker 2: Labor Party at a certain point as well, as soon
[38:07] Speaker 2: as a whole bunch of sort of working teals start
[38:10] Speaker 2: to work out that there's a few low hanging labor seats,
[38:13] Speaker 2: the problem will begin there on top of what's been
[38:15] Speaker 2: happening when it comes to the Greens. So, Stephen, for
[38:18] Speaker 2: normal people that are watching, who see people like yourself,
[38:21] Speaker 2: Linda Scott and a whole bunch of others very excited
[38:23] Speaker 2: to be going off to conference. The good old days
[38:26] Speaker 2: were when you didn't know what the outcome was going
[38:28] Speaker 2: to be. But you know what the outcome is going
[38:30] Speaker 2: to be. So isn't the real purpose of all hanging
[38:33] Speaker 2: out together is just a shit can each other behind
[38:37] Speaker 2: their backs and then turn around in high five when
[38:39] Speaker 2: the Prime Minister walks in. That's basically all you're there for.
[38:43] Speaker 11: Look, first, the courages apologize a Lissa, genuinely sincereapol as
[38:49] Speaker 11: long as you didn't yell at a dog mate.
[38:50] Speaker 2: I mean, that's apparently the single biggest political crime of
[38:53] Speaker 2: the modern era.
[38:57] Speaker 11: Look, I was just readmins thing as I arrived in
[38:59] Speaker 11: Adelaide to watch the Collingwood Adelaide match. Paul conspiracies just
[39:05] Speaker 11: a coincidence.
[39:06] Speaker 1: Of course. I just had to help Anaka Wellson to
[39:08] Speaker 1: help Collingwood.
[39:12] Speaker 6: No travel road here, no travel Roady.
[39:14] Speaker 1: Did knew that was funny? And miny end of plum
[39:15] Speaker 1: Did you see that? You saw it all in real time.
[39:17] Speaker 2: Everyone that's Stephen's brain has to work because sometimes I'll
[39:21] Speaker 2: get under the skin and then he'll be there.
[39:23] Speaker 1: This is too quick, all right.
[39:24] Speaker 11: So then the conference I was, I was just I
[39:27] Speaker 11: was just trying to remember when I doesn't observer to
[39:31] Speaker 11: my first Alley conference, and it was nineteen eighty four,
[39:34] Speaker 11: forty two years ago, which is really embarrassing. And I'm
[39:38] Speaker 11: back again as an observer forty two years later. It's
[39:42] Speaker 11: just a sad, sad situation. But look, I know people
[39:46] Speaker 11: like to say that that it's all choreographed. Look, I've
[39:49] Speaker 11: been to a lot of them in that forty two
[39:51] Speaker 11: years as a delegate, and I've been part of all
[39:54] Speaker 11: the discussions ninety nine percent of issues and normally sorted
[39:57] Speaker 11: out so that they're, you know, the words that both
[40:01] Speaker 11: sides can support, sometimes contradictory. The art of an ALP
[40:04] Speaker 11: national platform is to have enough words in it so
[40:08] Speaker 11: that both sides can vote for it. I totally disagree about.
[40:11] Speaker 1: What the words meant. Yeah. Correct, that's actually the trick
[40:13] Speaker 1: of a good conference.
[40:14] Speaker 2: Yeah, a raw schack test. And remember it's not binding anyway. Again,
[40:17] Speaker 2: I love all of this stuff anyway, all the details.
[40:19] Speaker 2: Enjoy the footy and the rest of it over the
[40:21] Speaker 2: next in the while, Thank you very much, Lisa. We'll
[40:22] Speaker 2: see you again next week. All right, quick break. The
[40:24] Speaker 2: wonderful Megan Kelly joins us before we're done, and I
[40:26] Speaker 2: can't wait to show you today's edition at being at
[40:28] Speaker 2: social media Videos.
[40:30] Speaker 1: Meghan.
[40:31] Speaker 2: Next, our favorite time of the week, to talk to
[40:37] Speaker 2: our favorite person in the world, the wonderful Megan Kelly.
[40:40] Speaker 1: Meghan, love you to see how summer going. It's too
[40:42] Speaker 1: cold here.
[40:43] Speaker 8: Oh my gosh, it's wonderful. I hate to rub it in,
[40:46] Speaker 8: but you guys will have the best on me when
[40:47] Speaker 8: we get to January, February, March, April, May. It's winter
[40:50] Speaker 8: here never ends.
[40:52] Speaker 1: Well, you're welcome in this part of the world whenever
[40:53] Speaker 1: you want. Now let's talk about ice.
[40:55] Speaker 2: These are the people who are, of course, enforcing the
[40:58] Speaker 2: law of the land, and some lunatic has decided to
[41:01] Speaker 2: try to burn one of their offices, and by that
[41:06] Speaker 2: I mean a physical office.
[41:07] Speaker 1: This is getting out of control.
[41:10] Speaker 8: Oh yeah, I mean, you know, it's one of those
[41:12] Speaker 8: things where you don't want to blame somebod these crazy
[41:14] Speaker 8: acts on general rhetoric in the media, because that's really
[41:18] Speaker 8: been a leftist tactic forever. I mean, they've been trying
[41:20] Speaker 8: to blame us for anything bad that happens in the
[41:22] Speaker 8: news for many, many years, and we've objected to it.
[41:25] Speaker 8: But their messaging is so ubiquitous on how evil ice
[41:29] Speaker 8: is that it's really kind of tough not to hold
[41:32] Speaker 8: this against them, because the only messaging that is out
[41:35] Speaker 8: there on ice in the mainstream media anywhere is how
[41:40] Speaker 8: evil it is, how it's so evil it needs to
[41:42] Speaker 8: be entirely abolished. That is a mainstream position now amongst
[41:48] Speaker 8: the Democrat Party and so and just the absolute bastardization
[41:53] Speaker 8: of their behaviors and what their missions are without talking
[41:56] Speaker 8: about how there you know who stands between a pedophile
[42:01] Speaker 8: and your child?
[42:03] Speaker 1: Ice.
[42:04] Speaker 8: There's no one who arrests more pedophiles in America than
[42:08] Speaker 8: that group, and Customs and Border Patrol like, those guys
[42:12] Speaker 8: have got the list because there's a high, high percentage
[42:14] Speaker 8: of those folks who are from other countries. So it's
[42:18] Speaker 8: just they've gotten a bad name. And that was by
[42:21] Speaker 8: design because the leftists do not want illegal immigrants deported
[42:25] Speaker 8: at all, because that's in part their voting constituency. It's
[42:28] Speaker 8: not supposed to be, but they're certain that they are,
[42:31] Speaker 8: and they pull all sorts of shenanigans to make that happen,
[42:34] Speaker 8: and also are playing the long game to where they
[42:36] Speaker 8: get amnesty and actually become citizens and can do it legally,
[42:40] Speaker 8: and that's why they hate Ice. Plus they're just stuck
[42:42] Speaker 8: in this like skin color, you know, Bonanza, where it's
[42:48] Speaker 8: like the browner the better, the whiter the worse. So
[42:51] Speaker 8: like immigrants are at the top of their list. White
[42:54] Speaker 8: people are disgusting and terrible and all universally racist, and therefore,
[42:57] Speaker 8: how dare we deign to hurt them?
[43:00] Speaker 2: And all of this kind of speaks to a great
[43:03] Speaker 2: of wildness that we've been talking about recently about the lift,
[43:07] Speaker 2: but that's now becoming a little more mainstream, right because
[43:11] Speaker 2: the reality is that the social Democrats that are the
[43:14] Speaker 2: iosas and the loons of the Democratic Party starting to
[43:18] Speaker 2: get nominated as their candidates. How likely is it that
[43:22] Speaker 2: the party's about to take a major jump to the
[43:25] Speaker 2: wild lift.
[43:26] Speaker 8: Well, it's happened so far in New York City and
[43:30] Speaker 8: one other state, so they haven't had a wave yet.
[43:34] Speaker 8: And the latest coalition of polls that was put up
[43:39] Speaker 8: on the board by CNN was showing that the Democrats
[43:43] Speaker 8: only have a four point generic ballot advantage going into
[43:48] Speaker 8: these midterms, which is historically very low. Back in their
[43:53] Speaker 8: wave election years in the past, not twenty twenty two,
[43:56] Speaker 8: but going back a little farther, you've got they had
[43:59] Speaker 8: an eighteen points advantage. They had a twenty two point
[44:01] Speaker 8: advantage in the generic ballot. Now it's four. So why
[44:05] Speaker 8: is it four?
[44:06] Speaker 1: It's four?
[44:06] Speaker 8: Because they're so crazy if they could have just been
[44:09] Speaker 8: normal Democrats, it actually would be a lot higher. I
[44:13] Speaker 8: genuinely believe that people are mad at Trump. They don't
[44:15] Speaker 8: like the Iran war. They really the number one issue
[44:18] Speaker 8: is the economy, and they blame him. It's not that
[44:21] Speaker 8: he created it, it's just he hasn't fixed it. He's
[44:23] Speaker 8: been in office long enough that they're tarring anybody who's
[44:25] Speaker 8: at the top with this problem, and he's suffering from that.
[44:28] Speaker 8: So traditionally you would expect a walloping, a thumping, as
[44:32] Speaker 8: President Obama famously called it when he got his But
[44:36] Speaker 8: right now, four point generic advantage, I don't I'm not
[44:40] Speaker 8: sure that's going to be a thumping for the Democrats.
[44:43] Speaker 8: And it's truly because this DSA Democrats Socialists of America.
[44:47] Speaker 8: They're so crazy, they're beyond socialists. I don't even know
[44:49] Speaker 8: what this is. It's like the Democrat lunatic Party, like
[44:54] Speaker 8: true radicals, where this isn't me exaggerating what their positions
[45:00] Speaker 8: are to make them sound bad. This is their platform.
[45:02] Speaker 8: To eliminate the US Senate, eliminate the Pentagon, so the
[45:07] Speaker 8: entire defense system in military, to eliminate prisons, to eliminate police.
[45:14] Speaker 8: I mean, it's crazy talk. It's like it would be
[45:18] Speaker 8: open season on America and Americans for criminals, illegals, you
[45:24] Speaker 8: name it, with absolutely no chance of defending ourselves and
[45:29] Speaker 8: no governing body to whom we could ever appeal. It's
[45:32] Speaker 8: I don't it's true lunacy so so, but that's not
[45:36] Speaker 8: being treated like this outlier party where you're kind of
[45:39] Speaker 8: like ashamed that it's connected with your party. But it's
[45:42] Speaker 8: you know, the girl you take to the bar that's
[45:44] Speaker 8: in the corner of like the dark part of town,
[45:47] Speaker 8: who you don't you know, you'll go home with her,
[45:48] Speaker 8: but you don't want anybody to see you with her.
[45:50] Speaker 8: That that kind of party offshoot. They're bragging now, the
[45:54] Speaker 8: so called mainstream Democrats are bragging when they get a
[45:57] Speaker 8: DSA endorsement. The guy who they just put in as
[46:02] Speaker 8: the latest main Democrat Senate candidate who's going to take
[46:05] Speaker 8: on the moderate Republican Susan Collins, Troy Jackson, he was
[46:10] Speaker 8: out there bragging that he has the DSA endorsement. That
[46:13] Speaker 8: is nothing to be proud of. That is something again.
[46:16] Speaker 8: DSA is a corner bar girl in the dark alleyway,
[46:20] Speaker 8: like you meet up at three am. And everybody knows
[46:22] Speaker 8: what's going to happen. You're only going to need a
[46:24] Speaker 8: hotel for an hour. That's that's a category. You don't
[46:27] Speaker 8: put that on the resume, sir. But that's where we are.
[46:30] Speaker 1: Now.
[46:30] Speaker 2: We've got the Commonwealth Games coming up at the end
[46:33] Speaker 2: of the week. This is an opportunity for all the
[46:35] Speaker 2: countries that aren't America to compete against each other and
[46:38] Speaker 2: win a gold that otherwise America would win. But apparently
[46:42] Speaker 2: the new broadcasting standard says, I get sexy done, show
[46:46] Speaker 2: fit people looking sexy while they are doing what they do.
[46:50] Speaker 2: What do you think about the new pearl clutches that
[46:52] Speaker 2: live amongst us?
[46:54] Speaker 8: There go the ratings. It's hello, you're to stop humans
[47:01] Speaker 8: from being humans. You know, mostly men, but also some
[47:05] Speaker 8: women enjoy visual stimulation along those lines, and it's harmless.
[47:10] Speaker 8: It's totally harmless. So what it's not like we're putting
[47:13] Speaker 8: you know, active pornography on these at these events in
[47:18] Speaker 8: service of somebody's predilections. It's sports. And if the you know,
[47:22] Speaker 8: gymnasts wear outfits that are teeny tiny because that's what
[47:26] Speaker 8: helps them do the pole vault the best or whatever
[47:28] Speaker 8: it is they're doing, then who cares. I mean, people
[47:30] Speaker 8: have been doing this since the beginning of time. It's
[47:33] Speaker 8: like you're not going to with a camera shot restriction,
[47:36] Speaker 8: get rid of people's arousal in seeing super fit people
[47:41] Speaker 8: perform and amazing sport athletic feats. So I think this
[47:45] Speaker 8: is much to do about nothing. And I think if
[47:47] Speaker 8: I were an athlete who was really worried about this,
[47:49] Speaker 8: I guess I'd change my outfit. But I think it'd
[47:52] Speaker 8: be more worried about winning. That's all that's on their minds.
[47:55] Speaker 8: And this is all a pretend, you know, virtue signal
[47:58] Speaker 8: by some uptight prigs to other uptake prigs. No one,
[48:03] Speaker 8: none of whom asked for this. Who asked for this?
[48:06] Speaker 1: I'm with you. She is the best.
[48:07] Speaker 2: More of our chet to supper Skynes dot com dot
[48:09] Speaker 2: you quick break back with more, a little bit of
[48:10] Speaker 2: social media and then the late debate, all right before
[48:18] Speaker 2: we go.
[48:18] Speaker 1: You work hard, they don't you pay taxes.
[48:21] Speaker 2: They do, but they don't really earn the money that
[48:24] Speaker 2: we pay for them. Instead, they make crap social media
[48:27] Speaker 2: videos like our ol mate Carra Cook, the member for
[48:30] Speaker 2: Bonner who thinks this is the quality of communication her
[48:35] Speaker 2: locals deserve from their local MP.
[48:39] Speaker 6: But if you have time, do you want.
[48:42] Speaker 1: The pe Here's a box with my name on it
[48:55] Speaker 1: well

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