# Paul Murray Live | 8 July

An episode of [Paul Murray Live](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/376966263), 8 Jul 2026, 49 min.

Audio: https://p.podderapp.com/2544644999/traffic.omny.fm/d/clips/2fb3740d-3436-44af-8cc0-a91900716aa5/be3abd48-25e5-45a6-aede-ac2a00524a12/e6605b1a-c046-4f0d-8025-b48100d20a69/audio.mp3?utm_source=Podcast&in_playlist=95971714-8fe6-4855-b1fe-ac2a00524a12

Home ownership dreams slipping away under Labor, the media covers for Albanese again. Plus, another Telco outage puts Aussie lives at risk. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:00] Speaker 1: From the Sky New Center. This is Paul Murray Live.
[0:06] Speaker 1: Thank you, James here the news by the way, in
[0:08] Speaker 1: and around this NATO. Some of that's happening right now
[0:11] Speaker 1: is as you've just heard with James, is that Trump
[0:15] Speaker 1: is now torn up. Whatever the ceasefire arrangement is when
[0:18] Speaker 1: it comes to Iran, whether that means automatically an escalation
[0:21] Speaker 1: in things, the Straightuphan moves closing all the rest of it,
[0:24] Speaker 1: we'll all find out together. But as we speak in Anchora,
[0:27] Speaker 1: where it is two o'clock in the afternoon, it's just
[0:29] Speaker 1: gone nine o'clock on the east coast of Australia. Within
[0:33] Speaker 1: this hour there's going to be a meeting between the
[0:35] Speaker 1: presidents of the United States also the leader of Turkey.
[0:40] Speaker 1: But in between there is going to be a meeting
[0:41] Speaker 1: between the President of the United States and the leader
[0:44] Speaker 1: of Ukraine, Votomyzolinski. Now we know these can be explosive
[0:49] Speaker 1: when the cameras are in the room. At least it
[0:51] Speaker 1: was at least one time at the White House. The
[0:54] Speaker 1: hope from the Ukrainians is that they're going to get
[0:57] Speaker 1: more air support, particularly from NATO, and with that comes
[1:00] Speaker 1: directly from the United States or the United States continues
[1:02] Speaker 1: to sell it to NATO, who then give it to
[1:06] Speaker 1: Ukraine to continue the war after Russia's invasion years ago. Well,
[1:10] Speaker 1: we'll all find out together, but lots to get to
[1:13] Speaker 1: about things here in Australia and that's always our focus.
[1:17] Speaker 1: What a response, What a response last night when we
[1:20] Speaker 1: announced the pulling Hanson Please Explain, which is going to
[1:24] Speaker 1: be her in our studio taking questions from people in
[1:28] Speaker 1: the studio as well as myself and people right around
[1:32] Speaker 1: the country. The Pulling Hanson Please Explain is going to
[1:34] Speaker 1: be on Tuesday, the twenty eighth of July. You will
[1:38] Speaker 1: be able to watch it at nine p m. And
[1:40] Speaker 1: we want questions not just from the people in the room.
[1:43] Speaker 1: We've now filled the room. Thank you very much for
[1:45] Speaker 1: that everyone, but I want questions from around the country.
[1:49] Speaker 1: All questions, send them in Okay, pub test at sky
[1:52] Speaker 1: ONews dot com.
[1:53] Speaker 2: Do are you.
[1:53] Speaker 1: We'll get back in touch with you. Hopefully we'll be
[1:55] Speaker 1: able to work out how you can do it live
[1:57] Speaker 1: or we'll pre record a couple of things. But I
[1:59] Speaker 1: want to get as men any questions from as many
[2:01] Speaker 1: parts of Australia, so you'll probably run towards the front
[2:04] Speaker 1: of the queue. If you think you're the only person
[2:06] Speaker 1: who's riding from your state, or your city or your town. Okay,
[2:11] Speaker 1: So I want it to come from right around the country.
[2:13] Speaker 1: It's going to be something special. This is after sky
[2:15] Speaker 1: News becomes News twenty four. That happens on Monday, the
[2:18] Speaker 1: twenty seventh of July. Tuesday the twenty eighth is when
[2:23] Speaker 1: we're going to have Paul and Hansen's please explain in
[2:26] Speaker 1: the studio, a very special event. I cannot wait for
[2:29] Speaker 1: all of that. But again we want questions from around
[2:32] Speaker 1: the country. Now, of course there are plenty of people
[2:36] Speaker 1: still struggling when it comes to paying off their homes.
[2:39] Speaker 1: Why because of those interest rates? Why because those interest
[2:41] Speaker 1: rates remain high. Why because the Reserve Bank has had to,
[2:44] Speaker 1: after cutting them three times last year, put them up
[2:46] Speaker 1: three times this year. Meaning we're kind of back to
[2:49] Speaker 1: the trugery of twenty twenty four. Now at least two
[2:53] Speaker 1: of those three had nothing to do with the Iran war.
[2:55] Speaker 1: Remember it was all as stated by the Reserve Bank
[2:58] Speaker 1: about inflation. But reason I start again with this this evening,
[3:02] Speaker 1: which is that the expectation is that, as we told
[3:04] Speaker 1: you last night, from Deloitte that there will be no
[3:07] Speaker 1: cuts to interest rates this year. In fact, there might
[3:10] Speaker 1: be another one that will go up before they go down.
[3:13] Speaker 1: And the down is well in the back third of
[3:17] Speaker 1: twenty and twenty seven. So reality is is that the
[3:20] Speaker 1: political element of all of this is what I want
[3:23] Speaker 1: to talk about, because, of course, when the Reserve Bank
[3:26] Speaker 1: made the decision to make the first of the twenty
[3:30] Speaker 1: twenty five reductions, they did it in February. Now, as
[3:34] Speaker 1: you remember, the opinion polls were against the federal government
[3:38] Speaker 1: all through twenty four, the end of twenty four and
[3:41] Speaker 1: the start of twenty five. In fact, my knowledge of
[3:44] Speaker 1: the red Bridge Pole was that particularly one group of
[3:48] Speaker 1: people shifted from not voting for labor to voting for labor,
[3:53] Speaker 1: and it was people who were voting who had a mortgage.
[3:58] Speaker 1: Why did they turn Because, of course we were told
[4:01] Speaker 1: by the Treasurer at the time that the predictions were many,
[4:05] Speaker 1: many many more interest rate cuts to come. We'd turn
[4:07] Speaker 1: the corner. Inflation was all gone. But of course we
[4:10] Speaker 1: all know the reality that inflation continued to go back up.
[4:14] Speaker 1: Inflation for a significant period of time, even during the
[4:17] Speaker 1: war was higher in Australia than in other parts of
[4:20] Speaker 1: the world, which is why the federal government has been
[4:23] Speaker 1: in the pole trouble, particularly post budget. But there is
[4:28] Speaker 1: a new plan being suggested to remove the political awkwardness
[4:34] Speaker 1: of the consequence of the economic decisions of the government
[4:37] Speaker 1: being an increase in interest rates. May I introduce one
[4:41] Speaker 1: of many activists that will be at the Labour Party's
[4:43] Speaker 1: national conference in the next little while, And the suggestion
[4:47] Speaker 1: here is that basically we've got to do something about
[4:50] Speaker 1: the Reserve Bank because we're losing voters to one nation.
[4:53] Speaker 1: Why because interest rates have remained high, and if they
[4:56] Speaker 1: stay high, then people don't like us about the economy,
[4:59] Speaker 1: so they start looking for somebody else. So you know
[5:01] Speaker 1: what we should do. Let's fiddle with the Reserve Bank,
[5:04] Speaker 1: the independence of the Reserve Bank in order to help
[5:07] Speaker 1: the Labor Party politically. Party activists want to alter the
[5:11] Speaker 1: operation of the independent Reserve Bank after years of arguments
[5:14] Speaker 1: from the coalition and economists that Labour's spending levels were
[5:17] Speaker 1: making it harder to bring down inflation. A Melbourne lawyer
[5:22] Speaker 1: who runs an advocacy group called Labor for Housing said
[5:25] Speaker 1: the Albanese government must reform the RBA because the party
[5:29] Speaker 1: was losing voters to one nation in circumstances where voters
[5:32] Speaker 1: think where part of the institutions that are hurting family budgets,
[5:37] Speaker 1: Well they are. I repeat. Inflation in Australia never never
[5:45] Speaker 1: got where the government wanted it to be. Now, the
[5:47] Speaker 1: hope was remember that two to three percent, But remember
[5:50] Speaker 1: how they were able to shave half a percent that
[5:53] Speaker 1: eventually got them just into that band. That meant one
[5:57] Speaker 1: interest rate dropped just before an election, a second one
[5:59] Speaker 1: just before an election. See the idea here was because,
[6:03] Speaker 1: of course, the government was turning around and was paying
[6:06] Speaker 1: energy companies to essentially hold off any increases when it
[6:10] Speaker 1: came to power prices because increases in power prices feeds
[6:13] Speaker 1: into inflation. Therefore, they were able to argue that inflation
[6:17] Speaker 1: was under control. But as you know, the government has
[6:21] Speaker 1: removed that false cap, so inflation started to go back up.
[6:25] Speaker 1: Inflation was slightly dealt with by the government moving back
[6:29] Speaker 1: from the immoral taxes that are things like the fifty
[6:33] Speaker 1: two cents eleter when it comes to petrol to make
[6:35] Speaker 1: sure there's not a spike in inflation. And people feel
[6:38] Speaker 1: a little more like a frog in a pot when
[6:40] Speaker 1: it comes to the government's tax take on petrol. We're
[6:44] Speaker 1: moving up by sixteen cents before we go up by
[6:49] Speaker 1: another sixteen cents in a month's time. The increase again
[6:53] Speaker 1: in petrol, on top of the volatility that may well
[6:56] Speaker 1: come out of now the second round of whatever's about
[6:58] Speaker 1: to happen in Iran, on top of a problem that
[7:01] Speaker 1: hadn't been dealt with before, means more chances of more
[7:03] Speaker 1: interest rate rises. That's why the government does play a role.
[7:08] Speaker 1: If the government deserves are high five and to be
[7:11] Speaker 1: re elected when things go down, well you own it
[7:14] Speaker 1: when things go up, but I continue you please. The
[7:17] Speaker 1: Labor Party is about to have its national conference, as
[7:21] Speaker 1: I say, this is where they're all going to get
[7:23] Speaker 1: together delegates from all the way around the country. There's
[7:26] Speaker 1: the internal fight between the left of the Victorian branch
[7:30] Speaker 1: versus the right of the whatever. Okay, but the left
[7:32] Speaker 1: is sort of in control of the party right now.
[7:35] Speaker 1: The proposed amendment to the platform will say that Labour
[7:39] Speaker 1: recognizes the use of interest rates to curb inflation is
[7:42] Speaker 1: a blunt instrument which hurts workers and vulnerable Australian's first
[7:46] Speaker 1: and hardest, rather than the asset class, which plays a
[7:51] Speaker 1: greater role in rising inflation. The asset class, you know,
[7:55] Speaker 1: those evil people who may well have been a teacher,
[7:58] Speaker 1: been a nurse, been a police officer and had an
[8:01] Speaker 1: investment property. The asset class. Labor recognizes that a balance
[8:06] Speaker 1: must be struck between tackling inflation and ensuring that interest
[8:10] Speaker 1: rates do not Dustralians who can afford them least. Yes,
[8:13] Speaker 1: wouldn't it be wonderful if we could have a scenario
[8:17] Speaker 1: where money was as cheap as possible for as long
[8:19] Speaker 1: as possible, and anyone could get access to it who
[8:22] Speaker 1: really wanted it. But of course the reality of that
[8:24] Speaker 1: would be incredible over stimulation of things and inflation would
[8:28] Speaker 1: go even worse. But don't know, let's fiddle with the
[8:31] Speaker 1: Reserve Bank. Don't you love this. They're the people who
[8:33] Speaker 1: respect institutions and they want to stand up against Pauline
[8:36] Speaker 1: Hansen or the Liberal Party or anyone else who wants
[8:39] Speaker 1: to undermine the independence of insert public service when it
[8:43] Speaker 1: comes to making decisions of government. But the idea inside
[8:46] Speaker 1: the Labor Party and fingers cross it doesn't go anywhere
[8:49] Speaker 1: near to getting up on it. We'll just fiddle with
[8:51] Speaker 1: the Reserve Bank because it causes us political problems fed inkom.
[8:55] Speaker 1: What about the government the decisions it makes, the decisions
[8:58] Speaker 1: to keep letting in hundreds of thousands of people each
[9:01] Speaker 1: and every year, adding to all of the problems, and
[9:05] Speaker 1: even with that massive increase in population, the budget deficits
[9:08] Speaker 1: they continue to rack up year year year year, all
[9:11] Speaker 1: the way for the next forty years. That's not me,
[9:15] Speaker 1: that's Treasury, the same people who of course are working
[9:18] Speaker 1: for the doctor of spin. Now, I know it ain't
[9:22] Speaker 1: the biggest thing in the world. And I know when
[9:24] Speaker 1: you talk about something after saying it's the biggest thing
[9:27] Speaker 1: in the world, people will point and go, see what
[9:28] Speaker 1: are you talking about this for? But I cannot help
[9:31] Speaker 1: but notice that, yet again before our very own eyes,
[9:34] Speaker 1: is the perfect example of the power of access to
[9:40] Speaker 1: corrupt the media. Now, as you know, the Prime Minister
[9:45] Speaker 1: was in the Pacific Islands over the past couple of days.
[9:49] Speaker 1: The media are traveling around with the Prime Minister in
[9:54] Speaker 1: all of these areas. The media are full aware that
[9:57] Speaker 1: there's been a little bit of attension on the Prime Minister,
[9:59] Speaker 1: making common that if anyone to the right of him
[10:02] Speaker 1: had made them, people would be setting their hair on fire.
[10:05] Speaker 1: But of course no questions. Not one question asked the
[10:09] Speaker 1: Prime Minister about this at the end of the press conference,
[10:11] Speaker 1: after they've dealt with all the business, just to say, hey,
[10:13] Speaker 1: can we just get you on camera saying the thing
[10:15] Speaker 1: that you considered to be serious enough to apologize for
[10:18] Speaker 1: via a statement earlier in the week. No. Nothing, Well,
[10:22] Speaker 1: maybe they would just being respectful because there was international
[10:24] Speaker 1: diplomacy playing out. Well, the Prime Minister was in Queensland
[10:29] Speaker 1: today because he's taking a bunch of the specific leaders
[10:31] Speaker 1: to the state of origin tonight. The media of course,
[10:35] Speaker 1: as you can see, while they were with him today.
[10:39] Speaker 1: But guess what happened. Not one person from any organization anywhere,
[10:42] Speaker 1: including an FM radio station, turned up and bothered to
[10:46] Speaker 1: ask the question at all. Now, on the one hand,
[10:50] Speaker 1: this may be because people say, you know what, not
[10:52] Speaker 1: a story, not an issue. Okay, fine, but it's not
[10:54] Speaker 1: a story, not an issue, why the apology? Right? But
[10:58] Speaker 1: of course what really is a play? Here is a
[11:00] Speaker 1: perfect example of access. Now. This exists in everything from
[11:05] Speaker 1: finance journalism to political journalism, sporting journalism to entertainment journalism,
[11:11] Speaker 1: which is that you need proximity to power to be
[11:17] Speaker 1: able to do your job or to do the types
[11:21] Speaker 1: of reporting that is expected of you back at head office. Now,
[11:26] Speaker 1: this means that sometimes people pull their punches because they
[11:30] Speaker 1: don't want to annoy either the celebrity, the sports star
[11:34] Speaker 1: or in this case the politician personally, or more likely
[11:38] Speaker 1: to annoy the people that are the conduit between the media,
[11:43] Speaker 1: the press office and in this case the Prime Minister,
[11:47] Speaker 1: the sporting star or the entertainer. This is an insight
[11:53] Speaker 1: into when the system is truly broken. Do I think
[11:57] Speaker 1: it is the single biggest question the Prime Minister should
[11:59] Speaker 1: be asked about? Of course not. But let's just maintain
[12:02] Speaker 1: some level of pretending that everyone gets to play by
[12:04] Speaker 1: the same rules. Now again, do I expect somebody to
[12:08] Speaker 1: bring it up tomorrow? It'd be nice if he was asked,
[12:11] Speaker 1: But what do you reckon the chances are, because then
[12:13] Speaker 1: it's just a three four day old story. Who cares?
[12:16] Speaker 1: I repeat? If anyone to the right of Anthony Abernezi
[12:19] Speaker 1: had said what Anthony Abernezi said and did so in
[12:22] Speaker 1: the lodge, then you know what the reaction would be.
[12:25] Speaker 1: Am I clutching my pearls and offended by the words
[12:28] Speaker 1: that were said. No, but it's about the standard of
[12:32] Speaker 1: which we expect the leaders to be held up, especially
[12:37] Speaker 1: one who's made such a song and dance about supposedly
[12:40] Speaker 1: being far more in sync with a respectful relationship. But
[12:45] Speaker 1: of course it's a completely different standard access. If you've
[12:49] Speaker 1: ever wondered access, the proximity, the way you keep inside
[12:53] Speaker 1: the tent is often one of the reasons why people
[12:57] Speaker 1: show their bias by not asking the question that will
[13:01] Speaker 1: annoy the person. So there are chance of being invited
[13:03] Speaker 1: back next week, and the week after, and the week
[13:06] Speaker 1: after and the week after that. Now again a question
[13:12] Speaker 1: may will have been asked about this today, but no
[13:14] Speaker 1: expectation of that coming anytime soon. Which was as you know,
[13:17] Speaker 1: hundreds of thousands of people being added to the country.
[13:19] Speaker 1: More than a million have come since the Prime Minister
[13:22] Speaker 1: became the Prime minister. And again my issue here is
[13:24] Speaker 1: not from whence they come from, what language, all the
[13:27] Speaker 1: rest of it. It is simply about there's not enough
[13:31] Speaker 1: houses for all the people who need a house in
[13:33] Speaker 1: an Australia right now. Why because this is what happens
[13:35] Speaker 1: when there's a rental property. Okay, we also know that
[13:40] Speaker 1: as current teenagers become twenty somethings, they too will add
[13:44] Speaker 1: to this list. We know that if you call an ambulance,
[13:47] Speaker 1: We've got the report out of South Australia yesterday that
[13:51] Speaker 1: you might be able to get an ambulance to turn
[13:53] Speaker 1: up to your house, but you're not going to be
[13:54] Speaker 1: guaranteed that you're actually going to end up in a
[13:56] Speaker 1: hospital pretty quickly. Instead, you might end up spending couple
[14:01] Speaker 1: of few, maybe the whole night hours in the back
[14:04] Speaker 1: of the ambulance because there's no room in the hospital.
[14:07] Speaker 1: Hence the issue off. If you just keep bringing more in,
[14:09] Speaker 1: then all of those cues get longer, all those things
[14:11] Speaker 1: get harder. But we keep being told that one of
[14:14] Speaker 1: the key focuses of the greatest government of all time
[14:17] Speaker 1: is housing. That it's okay that you keep bringing in
[14:19] Speaker 1: hundreds of thousands, you keep bringing in collectively millions of
[14:23] Speaker 1: people to the country, that you make that queue for
[14:26] Speaker 1: a rental joint go longer because they're building more houses. Right,
[14:32] Speaker 1: We've got to build, build, build, bied up the housing development.
[14:36] Speaker 3: Deliver housing supports for Australians, build.
[14:39] Speaker 1: More homes and uplifted housing.
[14:41] Speaker 4: We've got to build, build.
[14:42] Speaker 1: Built, Well, let's look at the numbers according to the
[14:46] Speaker 1: Australian Bureau of Statistics. You know that far right wing
[14:49] Speaker 1: think tank. Three hundred and six thousand people was the
[14:51] Speaker 1: net migration that came into the country. Okay, so that's
[14:55] Speaker 1: after all the birds, that's after all the people who left,
[14:57] Speaker 1: that's after all the people who died. Net migration to
[14:59] Speaker 1: the country. Three hundred and six thousand extra people in
[15:03] Speaker 1: the past twelve months. Have we built three hundred thousand
[15:06] Speaker 1: extra homes? Of course not. And despite all the talk,
[15:11] Speaker 1: all the discussion, all the fiddling in the budget, all
[15:13] Speaker 1: the lies that have now become the law in the budget.
[15:17] Speaker 1: Again the fart right wing think tank, the Astralian Bureau Statistics,
[15:20] Speaker 1: it has an uncomfortable fact. The total number of dwellings
[15:24] Speaker 1: that have been commenced a new builds for people to
[15:26] Speaker 1: live in has gone down, and not by one, not
[15:30] Speaker 1: by two, but eleven percent. Okay. Those numbers are to
[15:36] Speaker 1: the March quarter, fifty thousand people, fifty thousand new dwellings
[15:42] Speaker 1: for three hundred and six thousand more people. To give
[15:46] Speaker 1: you an idea of how this has worked over time,
[15:48] Speaker 1: you can see the biggest spiking building was when, of
[15:50] Speaker 1: course interest rates were mega loo when people were doing
[15:53] Speaker 1: everything they could in and around the pandemic. Then that
[15:55] Speaker 1: did start to go up, but it's gone way back
[15:58] Speaker 1: down and now we are sitting at a level that
[16:01] Speaker 1: basically is two thy and eighteen. Good stuff Albo always
[16:08] Speaker 1: Nayland and aren't you pal a couple of things I
[16:12] Speaker 1: want to mention before we get to the Telstra shut
[16:14] Speaker 1: down today and the anaka whirls of it all or
[16:17] Speaker 1: the Minister for freebie is the true victim of today.
[16:19] Speaker 1: We'll get to that in a second. You remember what
[16:21] Speaker 1: happened a month ago at the National Press Club when
[16:24] Speaker 1: Pauline Hanson was speaking. You remember that get up? Were
[16:27] Speaker 1: the people who owned it? They said they did it.
[16:30] Speaker 1: The police currently investigating the who did what and when
[16:33] Speaker 1: of all of this, but I wanted to just keep
[16:36] Speaker 1: following up on it because very few people seem to
[16:38] Speaker 1: be that interested in the media because of course the
[16:41] Speaker 1: access right, Pauline Hanson, bad Liberal Party, bad right wing,
[16:44] Speaker 1: bad get up good Well, as I said at the time,
[16:48] Speaker 1: pretty obviously if any organization had disrupted an event like
[16:53] Speaker 1: they did, let alone somehow entering the building and again
[16:56] Speaker 1: we know nothing other than they were inside the building
[16:59] Speaker 1: and were unin vited a sedition. They broke in, which
[17:02] Speaker 1: means potentially potentially somebody let them through the side door
[17:05] Speaker 1: to install what eventually became the banner Well. Today, the
[17:09] Speaker 1: Daily mail has been following up because the National Press
[17:12] Speaker 1: Club's chief executive has now said that the boss of
[17:16] Speaker 1: Get Up Well his membership has been rejected currently and
[17:21] Speaker 1: a banned him from all future events. He has not
[17:24] Speaker 1: welcomed the club in the future. The person has said
[17:26] Speaker 1: in the statement, we're aware of interviews that are being
[17:30] Speaker 1: conducted with club personnel. This is of course being the police.
[17:34] Speaker 1: We will consider our legal position when the outcome of
[17:36] Speaker 1: the AFP investigation is completed. Quotations for the damages are
[17:40] Speaker 1: being sourced. The Daily Mail understands that no formal decision
[17:45] Speaker 1: about the membership has actually been communicated, either to David
[17:48] Speaker 1: Cheras or to Get Up. My sedition would be that
[17:52] Speaker 1: it's not actually about the CEO of the organization or
[17:54] Speaker 1: whatever the official title is. It's about the organization. The
[17:58] Speaker 1: organization itself should be the one that isn't allowed to
[18:00] Speaker 1: get back into the National Press Club, because rather than
[18:03] Speaker 1: pretending that this is an issue of individuals, it's an
[18:06] Speaker 1: issue of an organization, an organization that on their let
[18:08] Speaker 1: ahead their press release. They owned it. I agree with
[18:13] Speaker 1: the decision to say, if this is the way you're
[18:15] Speaker 1: going to play, you're not allowed back in the room. Well,
[18:18] Speaker 1: you shouldn't be the representative. It should be the organization
[18:21] Speaker 1: that gets barred for the next at a while. My
[18:23] Speaker 1: thoughts anyway, Now, remember a couple of years ago Russia.
[18:30] Speaker 1: Russia was caught to doping at World Sport, so it
[18:33] Speaker 1: got booted from the Winter and Summer Olympics. It's meant
[18:38] Speaker 1: for multiple Olympics. Now, Russian athletes haven't been carrying on
[18:42] Speaker 1: as Russian athletes under the flag. Instead they've been marching
[18:46] Speaker 1: under the neutral flag. But they're still able to go
[18:48] Speaker 1: to the games, and often Neutral is pretty high in
[18:51] Speaker 1: the metal tally now unbelievably. One of the reasons why they,
[18:57] Speaker 1: of course were banned was also, you know, the invading
[18:59] Speaker 1: of another. One of the reasons why you don't see
[19:02] Speaker 1: that Russian tennis players are called Russian tennis players at
[19:05] Speaker 1: Wimbledon right now is because of the war in Ukraine,
[19:09] Speaker 1: the one that's still going on, the one that's still
[19:12] Speaker 1: killing people, the one that's still was started by Russia
[19:15] Speaker 1: invading Ukraine. Well, amazingly the Olympics is now going to
[19:20] Speaker 1: let them back in. They will be able to go
[19:24] Speaker 1: to Los Angeles in the United States, potentially still in
[19:29] Speaker 1: the war with Ukraine, and they will be able to
[19:32] Speaker 1: enter the stadium under the Russian flag. All of the
[19:35] Speaker 1: athletes will be there, and Russia will be up on
[19:37] Speaker 1: the medal tally. Russia has been banned from competing at
[19:40] Speaker 1: the Olympics under its own flag since twenty sixteen. However,
[19:45] Speaker 1: the boss of the IOC has suggested that all of
[19:51] Speaker 1: this is to emphasize that athletes should not be punished
[19:54] Speaker 1: for the behavior of their government. Well, why if that's
[19:56] Speaker 1: the case, were they being punished at the last Olympics,
[19:59] Speaker 1: the one before that, the Winter Olympics. To come something
[20:03] Speaker 1: very weird here, we'll all find out together, he thought.
[20:06] Speaker 1: Fifer took the cake for really welcome the IOC into
[20:10] Speaker 1: the picture. Of course, the big story in Australia today
[20:15] Speaker 1: if you are a Telstra customer, is that Telstra didn't
[20:18] Speaker 1: work for a little while today. Just a couple of
[20:20] Speaker 1: people noticed.
[20:22] Speaker 4: A Telco meltdown which went way beyond trying to make
[20:26] Speaker 4: a call. This morning's commute thrown into chaos. Trains in Sydney,
[20:30] Speaker 4: Melbourne and Newcastle halted and replaced by buses. At four
[20:34] Speaker 4: point thirty this morning, millions of Telstra customers woke to
[20:38] Speaker 4: a communications blackout and our emergency service teams in the dark.
[20:43] Speaker 1: Now, I'm surprised that this took place because didn't Anaka
[20:46] Speaker 1: Wells fix all of this. Remember the incredible outrage and
[20:50] Speaker 1: the thundershaking that she had after what happened when it
[20:52] Speaker 1: came to Optus. And the reality is that you should
[20:55] Speaker 1: really think about the true victim out of all of
[20:57] Speaker 1: what happened today with Telstra, and it is Anika Els
[21:00] Speaker 1: because you see, she was on holidays and she had
[21:03] Speaker 1: to break her holidays today to come back to pretend
[21:06] Speaker 1: that she was somehow going to be able to deal
[21:09] Speaker 1: with what was going on here. But hopefully she'll have
[21:13] Speaker 1: a slightly better response than Remember her first response when
[21:17] Speaker 1: we and others pointed out, hey, didn't the government promise
[21:20] Speaker 1: to do something about this TRIPLEO problem, which again happened
[21:24] Speaker 1: today before the Optus breakdown. This was her excuse back then.
[21:31] Speaker 5: I'm still a new minister to the industry, so I
[21:33] Speaker 5: would say I'm listening to everybody at the moment, but.
[21:36] Speaker 1: Then we were told thunderously when she was back in
[21:38] Speaker 1: Parliament that there was going to be a special watchdog
[21:40] Speaker 1: and new laws and new penalties and if Triple O
[21:42] Speaker 1: went down, Ah, she'd get angry.
[21:45] Speaker 5: I would say that we are fast tracking our Triple
[21:47] Speaker 5: zero guardian legislation that will give confidence to Australians about
[21:52] Speaker 5: the specific role that Triple zero plays for us in
[21:54] Speaker 5: our country with disaster season ahead, and I'll be doing
[21:57] Speaker 5: that as quickly as I can.
[21:59] Speaker 1: Well, all of that passed, all of that went through,
[22:01] Speaker 1: all of the preening, all of the carrying on. Well,
[22:04] Speaker 1: guess what didn't work today? For hundreds of people. They
[22:06] Speaker 1: were not able to access the Triple O system. But
[22:08] Speaker 1: pay very very close attention to the Telstrass spin here
[22:13] Speaker 1: because they kind of avoid the term Triple O in
[22:15] Speaker 1: much of their press conferences today. I'll explain why in
[22:18] Speaker 1: a second.
[22:20] Speaker 3: We've conducted testing of Triple zero calls early this morning
[22:23] Speaker 3: and confirmed calling was working successfully. As part of our
[22:26] Speaker 3: standard process, we conducted welfare We conduct welfare checks when
[22:30] Speaker 3: a Triple zero call is unsuccessful or is dropped after connecting.
[22:34] Speaker 3: We've completed three hundred and thirty three welfare checks. There
[22:38] Speaker 3: are seventy nine calls that we could not people we
[22:40] Speaker 3: could not get in contact with, and through the course
[22:42] Speaker 3: of today, in real time, they were referred to police
[22:45] Speaker 3: in the various states and they are doing a physical
[22:47] Speaker 3: welfare check.
[22:49] Speaker 1: Figures crossed. Everyone's okay, We certainly know that when it
[22:51] Speaker 1: happened last time, there were people who as a result
[22:53] Speaker 1: of not being able to get through a triple O,
[22:55] Speaker 1: they are no longer with us. Okay, so we get
[22:57] Speaker 1: how serious all of this is. But it was very
[23:00] Speaker 1: interesting watching the spin from Telstra today, certainly their first
[23:02] Speaker 1: press conference, they just tried to avoid the term triple
[23:05] Speaker 1: zero because they remember how poisonous that was for optors. Instead,
[23:09] Speaker 1: they focus was on welfare check, welfare check. Trevor long
[23:11] Speaker 1: nose technology like the back of his hand, in fact,
[23:13] Speaker 1: both of them. That's how damn smart he is. And
[23:15] Speaker 1: he's probably got a little chip somewhere in his brain
[23:17] Speaker 1: that's processing in real time. How to answer my questions,
[23:21] Speaker 1: not with AI but just entertainingly great man. Of course,
[23:24] Speaker 1: your website is EFTM love you to see your pal.
[23:27] Speaker 1: So first thing is for Esney Paula, what the hell
[23:29] Speaker 1: happened today?
[23:33] Speaker 6: Yeah, Tellsrews' words like nodes and time sink. The bottom
[23:36] Speaker 6: line is a mobile network is made up of a
[23:38] Speaker 6: bunch of computers and those computers need to work together
[23:41] Speaker 6: and they need to be in sync. And to do that,
[23:44] Speaker 6: there's a central set of computers that essentially broadcast the
[23:47] Speaker 6: time something went wrong. And it seems so very clear
[23:50] Speaker 6: to me. They say a software defect. What I hear
[23:52] Speaker 6: is a software upgrade failed. And this morning at four
[23:55] Speaker 6: point thirty, those computers all went out of sync. And
[23:58] Speaker 6: when they go out of sync, they go whll WHOA,
[23:59] Speaker 6: I don't know what's going on, and.
[24:01] Speaker 1: Off goes the network.
[24:02] Speaker 6: So that's why it wasn't the whole network, because there
[24:04] Speaker 6: was parts of the network that were still in sync.
[24:07] Speaker 6: But it was in my mind it was a good
[24:09] Speaker 6: eighty percent of customers based on a bit of research
[24:11] Speaker 6: among my community. And frankly, that means millions of people
[24:15] Speaker 6: today Telstra belong Boost Woolworth's mobile Alimobile no service for
[24:21] Speaker 6: a large part of the morning.
[24:22] Speaker 1: Yeah, good point, Because of course there's all those people
[24:25] Speaker 1: who still sell access to the Telstra network, but they
[24:28] Speaker 1: do it under it, as you say, a whole collection
[24:29] Speaker 1: of other brands. Look, as we said during the Optus thing, right,
[24:33] Speaker 1: machines will break down. The consequence of that is terrible
[24:37] Speaker 1: when it is something as serious as Triple O. Right,
[24:39] Speaker 1: but again, you know they're going to get a right
[24:42] Speaker 1: ninety nine point nine in fact one hundred percent, and
[24:44] Speaker 1: again machines at certain moments will wobble. I've read some
[24:47] Speaker 1: stuff today that somehow we're having more breakdowns than ever before,
[24:50] Speaker 1: But then you know you lived experiences that it is
[24:53] Speaker 1: a pretty robust system and it is just again an
[24:57] Speaker 1: update that doesn't work. How do you feel about how
[25:01] Speaker 1: we should view what happened today?
[25:05] Speaker 6: I agree we have to accept that these problems will
[25:08] Speaker 6: continue to occur because we push the limits of technology.
[25:11] Speaker 6: Updates will fail, there will be outages. We just have
[25:14] Speaker 6: to accept that. And businesses, if they're upset by these things,
[25:17] Speaker 6: need to build their own redundancies around how they charge
[25:19] Speaker 6: people through the cashiers and how things work without a
[25:22] Speaker 6: particular telco. But the government here, I think have failed
[25:26] Speaker 6: today to use this as an opportunity. The whole of
[25:29] Speaker 6: Australia is focused on this problem, and I watched all
[25:33] Speaker 6: of the very boring and frankly useless inquiries by the
[25:37] Speaker 6: government into the Triple zero outage. They asked the dumbest
[25:40] Speaker 6: questions of really important people that could have unpacked the
[25:44] Speaker 6: problems that we have with how triple zero works. And
[25:47] Speaker 6: what I learned watching all that was when your phone
[25:50] Speaker 6: says SOS at the top, meaning your networks down, your
[25:54] Speaker 6: phone should use the other networks.
[25:55] Speaker 1: To call triple zero.
[25:56] Speaker 6: And it does work, and today it did work. But
[26:00] Speaker 6: what happens in that circumstance, Paul, that I think ninety
[26:03] Speaker 6: nine percent of your audience wouldn't know is if I'm
[26:05] Speaker 6: a Telstra customer and it says SOS and I call
[26:07] Speaker 6: triple zero, it doesn't just go ring ring, It goes
[26:10] Speaker 6: Your phone does nothing.
[26:12] Speaker 1: It's just blank.
[26:13] Speaker 6: But after about a minute it goes ring ring because
[26:16] Speaker 6: it takes time for your phone to work out how
[26:18] Speaker 6: to get through. The government knows this. It came out
[26:21] Speaker 6: in all those Senate inquiries. What Anika Wells and everyone
[26:24] Speaker 6: should have done today was say this is a really
[26:27] Speaker 6: important time to remind Australians that if your network's down
[26:30] Speaker 6: for whatever reason, triple zero should still work and you
[26:34] Speaker 6: must be patient. It's the worst time to be patient,
[26:37] Speaker 6: because it's an emergency someone's in trouble, bleeding, whatever, But
[26:41] Speaker 6: you must be patient. Call triple zero, wait for the
[26:44] Speaker 6: call to connect. It will connect. People don't wait. And
[26:47] Speaker 6: of those three hundred calls, let's dis miss one hundred
[26:50] Speaker 6: of them today as people who just went zero zero
[26:52] Speaker 6: zero to see if it worked, like the Shadow Minister
[26:54] Speaker 6: for Communications who literally committed a crime. It's a crime
[26:58] Speaker 6: to call triple zero for fun, and that's what she
[27:01] Speaker 6: admitted doing. And a bunch of other people who when
[27:03] Speaker 6: I wonder if it's working, and then a bunch of
[27:05] Speaker 6: other people who had a problem but when it's not
[27:08] Speaker 6: connecting and then hung up. Those people were not desperate,
[27:11] Speaker 6: not in emergencies. But because of what I learned during
[27:14] Speaker 6: those Senate inquiries, the Minister should also be communicating and
[27:18] Speaker 6: educating Australians. That is weird to say, but you have
[27:21] Speaker 6: to be patient when you call triple zero one hundred percent.
[27:24] Speaker 1: Now. Also, I've noticed on my iPhone there's this satellite
[27:29] Speaker 1: backup system. There's sort of occasionally the little satellite logo
[27:32] Speaker 1: that comes up. Can you explain to people, is this
[27:35] Speaker 1: just sort of a new route of getting you to
[27:37] Speaker 1: pay like a global roaming fee for something you'll never
[27:40] Speaker 1: use or is this going to intention Is this going
[27:43] Speaker 1: to end up being part of the backup? Is that
[27:46] Speaker 1: a thing like a starlink something something like that, because
[27:50] Speaker 1: it uses a completely different computer system than the tower
[27:53] Speaker 1: to tower. Give us an idea, should all of us
[27:56] Speaker 1: be turning on that satellite backup stuff? What do you think.
[28:01] Speaker 6: If you've got an iPhone and you've got iPhone fourteen
[28:04] Speaker 6: onwards for the last few years. The satellite SOS emergency
[28:07] Speaker 6: system is an amazing idea because essentially it means that
[28:10] Speaker 6: if you're out of service, not for a network value,
[28:12] Speaker 6: but just out of service, that little satellite means that
[28:15] Speaker 6: when you need emergency services, your phone will communicate with
[28:18] Speaker 6: It's actually a third party, but when you say I'm
[28:21] Speaker 6: in trouble, I'm lost, I need help, that third party
[28:24] Speaker 6: will get that message and they will then communicate with
[28:27] Speaker 6: our Triple zero call center and your family can know
[28:30] Speaker 6: about There's a bunch of very positive reasons and it's
[28:32] Speaker 6: free at the moment.
[28:34] Speaker 4: Now.
[28:34] Speaker 6: The other part of about that is using satellite our
[28:37] Speaker 6: mobile phones, our modern mobile phones can communicate with satellites.
[28:40] Speaker 6: Telstra has a deal with Elon Muskstalink already to use
[28:44] Speaker 6: SMSs in remote and regional areas. But the disconnect here
[28:48] Speaker 6: is we need the government, AKMA and the telcos to
[28:52] Speaker 6: sit down urgently and work out technically how should that
[28:55] Speaker 6: work for Australians Because Telstra can't switch on the ability
[28:58] Speaker 6: for you to make a phone call over elon Musk's
[29:00] Speaker 6: satellite service, even though it's possible today. They can't switch
[29:04] Speaker 6: it on because they would be in breach of the
[29:07] Speaker 6: Triple zero legislation because it's not.
[29:10] Speaker 1: Tight through to the right place.
[29:11] Speaker 6: So we need the government to go listen, it's twenty
[29:14] Speaker 6: twenty six. Let's keep the call center operating.
[29:16] Speaker 1: It's good, but.
[29:17] Speaker 6: Let's start everything else again. How does it work? How
[29:19] Speaker 6: can I use WhatsApp, Facebook Messenger? How can we use
[29:22] Speaker 6: all these other services to call triple zero? Because today,
[29:25] Speaker 6: this morning, millions of Australians had no mobile service but
[29:29] Speaker 6: probably had.
[29:29] Speaker 1: Wi Fi And why shouldn't we be using.
[29:32] Speaker 6: Wi Fi to call triple zero on another platform, on
[29:35] Speaker 6: another app. It's ridiculous that we're just we're still It's
[29:39] Speaker 6: ridiculous that the government is still talking about optus as
[29:41] Speaker 6: dramas when we should be talking about the country and
[29:45] Speaker 6: how we're going to move forward with all emergency services
[29:49] Speaker 6: and how we communicate with each other.
[29:51] Speaker 1: That's how you're going to hear as a straight of
[29:52] Speaker 1: cheering you on Trevor Trevor Long. Of course, EFTM dot
[29:56] Speaker 1: com is the way to get to him. It's also
[29:59] Speaker 1: if you would like tips of how to get the
[30:00] Speaker 1: satellite thing, just write an email to you. He'll eventually
[30:02] Speaker 1: get back to you. It's a hand to hand service.
[30:04] Speaker 1: The lovely trevel Long God love you brother, Thank you.
[30:07] Speaker 1: Make of course get his podcast as we'll follow on
[30:09] Speaker 1: all the socials, great man quick break back with more.
[30:11] Speaker 1: Let's talk about Nigel Faras, the big bet that he
[30:14] Speaker 1: has of course put on the table, plus a lot
[30:16] Speaker 1: more including yea, this idea that the uranses fire it's over.
[30:19] Speaker 1: Does this mean we have to say straight at who
[30:22] Speaker 1: moves one hundred times a day? Again? All right, as
[30:30] Speaker 1: we speak, it is about help us. Two in the
[30:32] Speaker 1: afternoon in Turkey as they like to call it Turkey
[30:35] Speaker 1: as we would have previously known it, in its capital
[30:38] Speaker 1: city of Anchora. That's where NATO is meeting right now.
[30:41] Speaker 1: We're about to see the handshake at the start of
[30:44] Speaker 1: a meeting between Volimir Zelinski the leader of Ukraine and
[30:49] Speaker 1: Donald Trump, the leader of the United States and thus
[30:51] Speaker 1: the free world. As soon as that happens, we will
[30:53] Speaker 1: interrupt the conversation we are about to have right now
[30:55] Speaker 1: with Sean Bell, who has of course the One Nation
[30:58] Speaker 1: Senator from New South Wales. Love to see you looking fighting,
[31:00] Speaker 1: fit and good as always, and just here to help,
[31:02] Speaker 1: is Stephen Conroy is always just here to help, isn't
[31:05] Speaker 1: he looking happy as ever? He just came on a
[31:09] Speaker 1: second a second early, all right, So when we deal
[31:12] Speaker 1: with all of that, we'll see it all together. Steven,
[31:14] Speaker 1: of course, let's get back into the defense world here
[31:16] Speaker 1: for a second. So Trump has made an announcement to
[31:19] Speaker 1: tonight that essentially because of the breaking of ceasefire, as
[31:23] Speaker 1: he puts it, from the Iranian side of things, essentially
[31:26] Speaker 1: all the deals that have currently been in place. And
[31:29] Speaker 1: remember so many of these were about thirty days and
[31:31] Speaker 1: sixty days and ninety days, so there were sort of
[31:34] Speaker 1: the appearance of the ceasefire, there was a loose one.
[31:37] Speaker 1: But this is what he said tonight to me.
[31:41] Speaker 7: I think it's over. I don't want to deal with them,
[31:44] Speaker 7: and with there's scum. You know what scum is there's scum,
[31:47] Speaker 7: there's sick people. They're led by sick people, and they're vicious,
[31:52] Speaker 7: violent people, and if they had a nuclear weapon, they'd
[31:55] Speaker 7: use it.
[31:56] Speaker 1: As far as I'm concerned, it's over now, Stephen. Of course,
[31:59] Speaker 1: the consequence of all of this is straight Ophan moves
[32:02] Speaker 1: potentially locks off. We're back into all the war and
[32:05] Speaker 1: the consequences that come. Is this one of those wondering
[32:08] Speaker 1: out loud moments, or this is the pronouncement from the
[32:10] Speaker 1: president it's back on and they're going to take carg
[32:13] Speaker 1: Island in the morning. Yeah.
[32:18] Speaker 8: Look, it's almost impossible to tell. I mean, if you
[32:20] Speaker 8: try and follow him on a daily basis with his
[32:23] Speaker 8: ramblings or his tweets, you probably go crazy. But what
[32:29] Speaker 8: he's finding is the same thing everybody has said and
[32:32] Speaker 8: everybody is experienced, is that they're masters are drawing out
[32:36] Speaker 8: of negotiation. I mean, it took Obama two years to
[32:39] Speaker 8: come up with his dud deal, and Trump is now
[32:42] Speaker 8: wandering down the same path and saying he's going to
[32:45] Speaker 8: bomb them into the Stone Age. I mean, you'll be
[32:48] Speaker 8: saying he's bombing them into the prehistoric age. And then
[32:50] Speaker 8: it'll go on and on, because unless he wants to
[32:53] Speaker 8: start risking mass civilian casualties. There's not a lot more
[33:00] Speaker 8: that they can carefully targeted, you know. I aim for
[33:02] Speaker 8: someone more of the leadership, try and teach them negotiations
[33:06] Speaker 8: better than this sort of fighting. But the bottom line
[33:09] Speaker 8: is they are the masters at drawing these things out.
[33:12] Speaker 8: They've worked out what his soft spot is. They know
[33:15] Speaker 8: that he can't afford for the straits of Hamus, and
[33:18] Speaker 8: the worlds can't afford for the straits are for moves
[33:20] Speaker 8: to be closed. So it's very challenging and many people
[33:25] Speaker 8: have said to him that we warned you, we told.
[33:28] Speaker 1: You what they like to deal with.
[33:29] Speaker 8: But as always he's the art of the deal things
[33:33] Speaker 8: that you can send a real estate agent to negotiate
[33:35] Speaker 8: with savages, and surprisingly it's not going well.
[33:38] Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, Sean, what is always interesting here is it,
[33:41] Speaker 1: of course, the country that is free and open, that
[33:44] Speaker 1: has an election, that has a mid term therefore has
[33:47] Speaker 1: a pressure point, which is the public opinion, right Iran,
[33:51] Speaker 1: realizing that there is a lead up to that period
[33:53] Speaker 1: of time. Well, as Stephen just said, this is about
[33:56] Speaker 1: how you slow play the ball, and you again at ball,
[33:59] Speaker 1: and you are the pressure here. I've got an Iranian
[34:02] Speaker 1: mate who lives in Bruceban and we had a big
[34:05] Speaker 1: chat on the weekend about what it's like for citizens.
[34:08] Speaker 1: And yes, they're very concerned about what's happening, but thankfully
[34:11] Speaker 1: much of what has been hit has been targeted government infrastructure.
[34:15] Speaker 1: Has there been civilian death, yes, but we'd hate it
[34:18] Speaker 1: to get to a scenario the way the US or
[34:21] Speaker 1: anyone would want to step up the pressure on the
[34:24] Speaker 1: Iranians was for even more people to die.
[34:26] Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, I mean, I think the whole world is
[34:30] Speaker 2: hoping for peace, but it's such an incredibly difficult needle
[34:33] Speaker 2: to thread this process. I mean, I think a few
[34:35] Speaker 2: things are clear. You know, Israel has a right to
[34:38] Speaker 2: defend itself. Ran must never have nuclear weapons, and we
[34:42] Speaker 2: must do the West must do everything it can to
[34:43] Speaker 2: avoid a wider conflict in the Middle East. I mean,
[34:46] Speaker 2: that's incredibly complicated, and you know, watching the United States
[34:50] Speaker 2: government try to achieve these ends, working with Israel and
[34:53] Speaker 2: others in that region, we have to wish them all
[34:55] Speaker 2: the best. But again, I think one of the other
[34:57] Speaker 2: things that does highlight is the continued issue of few
[35:00] Speaker 2: security in Australia. I mean, the other day the Albanese
[35:02] Speaker 2: government was sort of acting or waving off potential escalation
[35:06] Speaker 2: and fuel prices when they just allowed the rebate to
[35:09] Speaker 2: come off again, acting they'd save the day. Now I
[35:12] Speaker 2: think again, it just highlights how vulnerable we are, and
[35:14] Speaker 2: while they may have taken steps in the short term
[35:17] Speaker 2: to secure fuel supply, they are failing to take steps
[35:19] Speaker 2: in the long term to ensure that we have more
[35:22] Speaker 2: onshore refining capacity or we have more exploration for.
[35:25] Speaker 1: Our own sources of fuel.
[35:27] Speaker 2: So these conflicts are going to continue anytime into the future.
[35:30] Speaker 2: They're more must be done by the Albanese government to
[35:32] Speaker 2: ensure that we're protected from these fuel shocks that come
[35:35] Speaker 2: along with them.
[35:36] Speaker 1: This time last night we were on, you know, on tenderhooks.
[35:39] Speaker 1: What was Nigel Farage going to do? It seemed like
[35:42] Speaker 1: it was obvious that he was not going to pull
[35:45] Speaker 1: the pin, but instead was going to somehow circumvent the
[35:47] Speaker 1: process that is playing out in relation to donations before
[35:51] Speaker 1: he became a politician. So that process would mean that
[35:56] Speaker 1: if the parliamentary inquiry into the donation declares you've done
[36:00] Speaker 1: the wrong thing, well they can say, well that's it,
[36:02] Speaker 1: We're booting out of the Parliament. Let's have a by election.
[36:05] Speaker 1: So he decided, bugger it, let's get in front of
[36:06] Speaker 1: that and let's have a by election early. Let's assume
[36:10] Speaker 1: that it all is going to go the way that
[36:11] Speaker 1: these people expect it to go. So, as you know,
[36:14] Speaker 1: he made the big announcement last night, his speech. I
[36:17] Speaker 1: got to say, as soon as I saw those two
[36:18] Speaker 1: flags behind him, I went, oh, this is not goodbye,
[36:21] Speaker 1: This is not goodbye now, Stephen. There is a situation
[36:25] Speaker 1: very similar to this, I think from about twenty years ago,
[36:28] Speaker 1: when somebody quit to have a by election in order
[36:32] Speaker 1: to recontest it. Essentially nobody ended up running against that person,
[36:36] Speaker 1: so they went back into the parliament. The Tories, Labor, Libdems,
[36:42] Speaker 1: all the serious contenders to Nigel Farage's seat are not
[36:46] Speaker 1: going to contest it. So yeah, there'll be a bunch
[36:48] Speaker 1: of sillies that'll be along the way. So even if
[36:51] Speaker 1: a third of the people who voted him into parliament
[36:53] Speaker 1: turn up, that should be enough for him to get
[36:55] Speaker 1: returned to parliament. But what do you think about the
[36:57] Speaker 1: game behind the game here, Nigel Farage?
[37:01] Speaker 8: Yeah, well, I think we've got to start with the
[37:06] Speaker 8: basics that he spent so much time hanging around Trump,
[37:11] Speaker 8: his cronies and his sick ephants and the billionaires have
[37:14] Speaker 8: come out to play in the US that he thinks
[37:17] Speaker 8: he can transport it in exactly the same way into
[37:20] Speaker 8: the UK. And it's not quite working out so well
[37:23] Speaker 8: because there is independent regulators that can't be sacked as
[37:27] Speaker 8: you know, those monitors that Trump's sacked, you know, and
[37:30] Speaker 8: the Supreme Court.
[37:31] Speaker 1: Has allowed him to do it.
[37:32] Speaker 8: Well, you can't sack these ones, Nigel, so you will
[37:35] Speaker 8: be accountable. And the key difference is that you have
[37:39] Speaker 8: to be accountable for the year before you were in Parliament.
[37:43] Speaker 8: And for him to say, oh, well that was just
[37:45] Speaker 8: for my own personal benefit that they gave me all
[37:47] Speaker 8: this money and all these free trips and all this
[37:49] Speaker 8: sort of thing, he didn't declare them. And so the
[37:53] Speaker 8: system is different. And that's a warning for Pauline Hanson
[37:58] Speaker 8: as well. You know, he has taken and if the
[38:00] Speaker 8: billionaires can come out to play, they can spend all
[38:02] Speaker 8: the money they want, lavish lavishu with these things. And
[38:06] Speaker 8: as long as you say you've done that, that's okay.
[38:09] Speaker 8: Nigel's mistake was he didn't tell people. He didn't declare
[38:13] Speaker 8: as he's required to. So I think the main part
[38:16] Speaker 8: is have called his bluff. He thinks he's got out ahead.
[38:19] Speaker 8: They've called his bluff. We're not contesting, You're going to
[38:21] Speaker 8: get reelected and it won't change the problem you're still
[38:23] Speaker 8: going to have.
[38:24] Speaker 1: Yeah, I've got to say I've got a little confused
[38:26] Speaker 1: when I was trying to get my head around this
[38:28] Speaker 1: in real time last night, which was whether the process
[38:31] Speaker 1: essentially reset itself because he became a new MP again. No. Indeed,
[38:38] Speaker 1: the process currently playing out continues to go to September,
[38:40] Speaker 1: so there's every chance of two of these by elections.
[38:43] Speaker 1: We know that Pauline Hanson, of course has been in
[38:46] Speaker 1: the UK. We saw the pictures with her and Holly
[38:47] Speaker 1: Flance at Jeremy Clarkson's pub, which I was quite envious
[38:51] Speaker 1: of for many and obvious reasons. But there was also
[38:54] Speaker 1: due to be a meeting between Nigel Faraj and Pauline
[38:57] Speaker 1: Hanson Senator. Has that meeting happen and will that meeting
[39:01] Speaker 1: happen if it was delayed yesterday? I'm not sure.
[39:06] Speaker 2: I do know that Senator Hanson was going to be
[39:08] Speaker 2: meeting with Nigel while she was over there, it does
[39:10] Speaker 2: seem that Pauline just has a knack for being where
[39:14] Speaker 2: the attention is. But just in terms of well, I
[39:19] Speaker 2: do think that the mister Frage's opponents, I believe they've
[39:24] Speaker 2: blundered here because Steven's right, mister Frage, he is accountable,
[39:28] Speaker 2: but ultimately he's going to be accountable to the people
[39:31] Speaker 2: of his electorate and his party will be accountable to
[39:33] Speaker 2: the people of the UK. And one of the issues
[39:36] Speaker 2: that Reform has it's a very long time before the
[39:38] Speaker 2: next general election in the UK, but suddenly what's occurred
[39:42] Speaker 2: is he's been given an excellent opportunity to show that
[39:45] Speaker 2: the public's still behind him, to have that attention on him.
[39:49] Speaker 2: And what we've seen in the US is when they'd
[39:51] Speaker 2: gone after Donald Trump in the courts, it's actually backfired
[39:54] Speaker 2: and worked to mister Trump's benefit, President Trump's benefit, and
[39:57] Speaker 2: I think you'll see the same in the UK. I
[39:59] Speaker 2: think you'll see you run, He'll win, and if they
[40:01] Speaker 2: continue to pursue him and they do eventually force another
[40:04] Speaker 2: by election, he'll run there and he'll win, and so
[40:07] Speaker 2: he'll have the eyes of the UK on him for
[40:09] Speaker 2: the next year. As it looks like they trying every
[40:12] Speaker 2: trick in the book to oust him, instead of giving
[40:14] Speaker 2: the people the chance to do it at an election,
[40:16] Speaker 2: to have it really tested.
[40:17] Speaker 1: Well, look, given them what we're only two years into
[40:19] Speaker 1: the five year term. The reality is Eddie Burnham is
[40:22] Speaker 1: going to become the leader. There's going to be a spike,
[40:24] Speaker 1: There's going to be a honeymoon. Let's see where we
[40:26] Speaker 1: are twelve months from now, even after all of what
[40:28] Speaker 1: we've just been mentioned here, is it a scenario where
[40:31] Speaker 1: labor has been able to break the trend or does
[40:34] Speaker 1: it go back to the trend of the reality of
[40:37] Speaker 1: the UK under labor, which of course has pushed so
[40:39] Speaker 1: many people in reforms direction. All right, thanks lads, do
[40:42] Speaker 1: appreciate it. We'll see you again very soon. The one
[40:44] Speaker 1: of all, Meighan Kelly joins us straight after the break
[40:46] Speaker 1: because there is a court proceeding that has begun right
[40:49] Speaker 1: now at the beginning of consequences for the person accused
[40:51] Speaker 1: of killing Charlie Kirk. We'll talk about what we've learned
[40:54] Speaker 1: from the first couple of days with her. Next it's
[41:00] Speaker 1: that time of the week to talk to our favorite
[41:02] Speaker 1: person in the world, the one the only Megan killing
[41:03] Speaker 1: Megan love me to say, Mike, how are you.
[41:06] Speaker 9: It's great to be back with you.
[41:08] Speaker 1: Excellent. Now, what have we learned in the first couple
[41:10] Speaker 1: of days of the court process against the person who
[41:13] Speaker 1: is accused of killing Charlie Kirk.
[41:17] Speaker 9: Yeah, it's a preliminary hearing where they just have to
[41:19] Speaker 9: establish that they have probable cause to believe that this defendant,
[41:23] Speaker 9: Tyler Robinson, killed Charlie Kirk. And if they can establish
[41:27] Speaker 9: probable cause, which really genuinely does just means it's probably true.
[41:33] Speaker 9: I mean, it's a very low standard, then you can
[41:35] Speaker 9: carry over to trial. That's all this is questioning do
[41:38] Speaker 9: they have the right to carry him over to trial?
[41:40] Speaker 9: And there's no question that the answer is going to
[41:42] Speaker 9: be yes. They've far surpassed what is necessary and even
[41:46] Speaker 9: what they have in most murder cases. I mean, the
[41:48] Speaker 9: evidence against Robinson is overwhelming, and I realize a lot
[41:52] Speaker 9: of people don't believe it for whatever there's a whole
[41:55] Speaker 9: bunch of reasons why they don't believe it. But a
[41:57] Speaker 9: jury is more than likely to believe it because in
[42:00] Speaker 9: courtrooms where I'm from, we operate within the balance of
[42:04] Speaker 9: evidentiary rules and all we care about is what is
[42:08] Speaker 9: admissible and what isn't and all the stuff around like
[42:11] Speaker 9: conspiracy theories and so is or earth, it's not admissible.
[42:14] Speaker 9: And to those who still have their doubts about Tyler Robinson,
[42:16] Speaker 9: I say it's time to put up or shut up.
[42:19] Speaker 9: You can either you have evidence that you can introduce
[42:22] Speaker 9: under the federal rules of evidence or the state rules
[42:24] Speaker 9: out in Utah which mirror the Feds, or you don't.
[42:28] Speaker 9: And if you don't, I don't want to keep talking
[42:30] Speaker 9: about your theory because it's irrelevant, you know, And all
[42:33] Speaker 9: that's relevant is what you can prove. It's like the
[42:35] Speaker 9: famous line from a few good Men. It doesn't matter
[42:38] Speaker 9: what I believe. It only matters what I can prove.
[42:41] Speaker 9: That's where we are, and there is overwhelming evidence by
[42:45] Speaker 9: that standard that Tyler Robinson committed this crime, that he
[42:48] Speaker 9: was the trigger man, whether he had people who knew
[42:51] Speaker 9: about it and or we're rooting for it prior to
[42:55] Speaker 9: the fact is of interest to me as well. And
[42:58] Speaker 9: that remains unsatisfy the curiosity over that issue. But he
[43:03] Speaker 9: is going to be held over for trial, and I
[43:05] Speaker 9: believe unless there is a jury nullification issue, in other words,
[43:10] Speaker 9: somehow you get a juror on there who just won't
[43:12] Speaker 9: vote to convict for whatever reason. He'll be convicted and
[43:15] Speaker 9: he will likely be sentenced to death. And I won't
[43:18] Speaker 9: shed one tier.
[43:19] Speaker 1: How could I not ask you about Prince Harry. He
[43:21] Speaker 1: couldn't have lost bigger in his court case against the
[43:26] Speaker 1: newspapers in the UK of multiple hundred page judgment, basically
[43:31] Speaker 1: didn't win a single count. Now he might have to
[43:33] Speaker 1: pay millions, Paul.
[43:36] Speaker 9: It's yet another instance of Harry playing the fake victim.
[43:42] Speaker 9: He's been railing about this case for years now. He
[43:47] Speaker 9: thinks of himself as some sort of an avenger of
[43:50] Speaker 9: you know, speech issues, where he's going to punish the
[43:52] Speaker 9: ones who tell lies or use surreptitious means in journalism
[43:56] Speaker 9: to obtain facts about public figures, poor embattled pub lo
[44:00] Speaker 9: figures like Harry and Meghan. And really thought he'd be
[44:03] Speaker 9: truth to power. I'm going to sue. That's all they
[44:06] Speaker 9: ever do. These two sue every journalist, it seems who
[44:10] Speaker 9: writes something negative about them. We're constantly reading about their
[44:13] Speaker 9: latest lawsuit and this one he was completely wrong. The
[44:17] Speaker 9: Daily Mail, to its credit, put on a bunch of journalists,
[44:19] Speaker 9: the ones who had been accused of using illicit means
[44:23] Speaker 9: as a way of getting stories on Harry and others,
[44:26] Speaker 9: and all the journalists said, tell me what you're accusing
[44:29] Speaker 9: me of. No, that's not how I got that story
[44:31] Speaker 9: at all. This is how I got that story. And
[44:33] Speaker 9: you know, as much as a journalist doesn't like to
[44:35] Speaker 9: give up his or her source, the exposing the means
[44:39] Speaker 9: by which you amassed your information was necessary here because
[44:43] Speaker 9: they were being accused of essentially breaking the law.
[44:45] Speaker 2: So he was wrong.
[44:46] Speaker 9: He's got a sick sense of paranoia. You know, I'm
[44:51] Speaker 9: sorry that his mother died in the way she did
[44:53] Speaker 9: when he was a young boy. Really, you should be
[44:56] Speaker 9: joining mad if you're upset over that mother's against drug
[45:00] Speaker 9: driving or families against drug drug driving. His mother was
[45:03] Speaker 9: killed by a drunk driver, not by the paparazzi. She
[45:07] Speaker 9: was followed by the paparazzi all the time. She knew
[45:09] Speaker 9: that she coaxed the paparazzi into following her and taking
[45:13] Speaker 9: her picture all the time, knew that she knew how
[45:14] Speaker 9: to work them just as well as anyone. And so
[45:17] Speaker 9: this whole narrative about how she's just completely been piled on,
[45:20] Speaker 9: and then poor Harry's been now fighting to stop it
[45:22] Speaker 9: from happening. In a Megan, that's why he's got to
[45:24] Speaker 9: do these press fights. It's a lie. It was a
[45:27] Speaker 9: lie from the first acorn all the way now through
[45:30] Speaker 9: to the big tree that he continues to nourish. And
[45:34] Speaker 9: I think it's wonderful that the Daily Mail fought back,
[45:36] Speaker 9: that he's been humiliated, and if he has to pay
[45:39] Speaker 9: some massive legal fees as a result of being wrong,
[45:41] Speaker 9: because over there in the UK it is loser pays,
[45:44] Speaker 9: unlike here in America, where generally everybody takes their own
[45:47] Speaker 9: and walks away. Good. Maybe that'll really teach them a lesson.
[45:52] Speaker 9: And you didn't prove your case. You had the opportunity
[45:54] Speaker 9: to prove your case. He failed to do so, that's
[45:56] Speaker 9: how the legal system works. Yes, No, he's never seen
[45:59] Speaker 9: a situation which he is not the victim, and he
[46:02] Speaker 9: enjoys being the victim. That fake car chase was one
[46:06] Speaker 9: of the greatest examples where there was no car. You
[46:08] Speaker 9: cannot have a car chase in New York City. Anybody
[46:10] Speaker 9: who's visited in New York City knows you can't go
[46:12] Speaker 9: two square blocks without hitting a red light or a
[46:15] Speaker 9: biker or a delivery man. That will slow your role.
[46:18] Speaker 9: But secondly, remember in their documentary on Netflix used very loosely,
[46:24] Speaker 9: how you know, she was pretending like, oh is he
[46:27] Speaker 9: gone yet? Is he still there? It was one guy
[46:31] Speaker 9: on a vespa. They tried to make it sound like
[46:33] Speaker 9: they were being surrounded by hordes of paparazzi. It was
[46:36] Speaker 9: one dude on a vespa. I mean, I'm sure you've
[46:39] Speaker 9: been chased by more when you resign your deal with
[46:42] Speaker 9: Sky News. It's ridiculous how they lie to us. And
[46:46] Speaker 9: on top of all of that, so given the fact
[46:48] Speaker 9: that he was raised a royal and yes that is
[46:51] Speaker 9: involuntary fame, you know that was not his doing, but
[46:55] Speaker 9: that he had his opportunity with mexit, this was the
[46:58] Speaker 9: big opportunity, leave the royal family, leave the titles behind.
[47:03] Speaker 9: If you really don't want this anymore, go live in
[47:06] Speaker 9: Canada or a mind to sido. We got stuck with
[47:09] Speaker 9: them here. But actually become a private citizen, become a
[47:12] Speaker 9: private person, do your charity work quietly.
[47:18] Speaker 1: Jeer Rockstar. Her coverage, by the way, off that Charlie
[47:20] Speaker 1: Kirk murder troll, The murder of Charlie Kirk trill sensational.
[47:24] Speaker 1: Make sure you're following her on the socials. Find it
[47:26] Speaker 1: on YouTube as well. More than a sec before we
[47:27] Speaker 1: hand over to the Late Debate, you're on SCOS before
[47:34] Speaker 1: we go, our nightly reminder that you pay too much tax.
[47:36] Speaker 1: We paid politicians too much, and we pay the staffers
[47:39] Speaker 1: to make bad social media videos about them way too much,
[47:43] Speaker 1: including this reminder that this is the Special Minister of
[47:46] Speaker 1: State and is a cabinet minister. Here is a labor
[47:59] Speaker 1: back bench yuh, and she's in charge of the Greens.
[48:14] Speaker 8: You're getting squeezed.
[48:16] Speaker 2: Imagine this bottle of sauce is your income.
[48:18] Speaker 5: More than a third of it goes on housing, just
[48:20] Speaker 5: like it does for six million other people in this country.
[48:22] Speaker 1: You're all being squeezed.
[48:23] Speaker 8: At this point.
[48:24] Speaker 5: You're probably getting pretty low on source and if you
[48:27] Speaker 5: want to do something nice for yourself, there's nothing left.
[48:31] Speaker 1: Don't say it. Don't say it, don't say it, don't
[48:33] Speaker 1: say it. That's our show for to night. Thank you
[48:35] Speaker 1: very much for watching. We'll see you again tomorrow night.
[48:37] Speaker 1: He's the Late Debate

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