# Paul Murray Live | 14 April

An episode of [Paul Murray Live](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/376966263), 14 Apr 2026, 49 min.

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The left in meltdown already over the Coalition's new migration policy, Meghan Markle and her spare handbag Harry have arrived down under. Plus, the fertiliser supply crisis is set to deepen as China bans sulphuric acid. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:00] Speaker 1: From the Sky New Center.
[0:02] Speaker 2: This is Paul Murray Live.
[0:07] Speaker 3: Thank you, Steve Good evening, Welcome to the show. I
[0:09] Speaker 3: am Danikiti Giorgio filling in for Paul Murray Live in
[0:12] Speaker 3: the man Cave. Coming up on tonight's program, the Left
[0:15] Speaker 3: in meltdown already over the Coalition's new migration policy. Get
[0:20] Speaker 3: ready for the R word racism to pop up a
[0:22] Speaker 3: lot during the cell. I'll dive into that with my panel.
[0:26] Speaker 3: Megan Markle and her spare handbag Harry have arrived down
[0:30] Speaker 3: Under as their publicist falsely accuses us here at Sky
[0:34] Speaker 3: News of breaking their tour itinery in Bargo. Good grief.
[0:39] Speaker 3: And the fertilizer supply crisis is set to deepen as
[0:43] Speaker 3: China ban sulfuric acid. What will this mean for farmers.
[0:47] Speaker 3: I'll catch up with nationals, MP and Webster later in
[0:51] Speaker 3: the show, but first tonight, Anthony Alberizi has flown to
[0:55] Speaker 3: Bruneite today as part of part two of his Begging
[1:00] Speaker 3: for Fuel tour of Asia. Please, sir, I want some more.
[1:07] Speaker 3: That's literally what it's like. So last week it was Singapore,
[1:12] Speaker 3: this week it's Brunei and next it's Malaysia. A minutes
[1:17] Speaker 3: around the now.
[1:18] Speaker 4: Aberzi is jetting off to Brunei this morning, hoping to
[1:21] Speaker 4: secure more fuel for Australia. At marks the beginning of
[1:23] Speaker 4: a second week of consecutive travel. After a well win
[1:27] Speaker 4: fuel security mission to Singapore, He'll then fly to Malaysia,
[1:30] Speaker 4: aiming to shore up energy supplies, fertilizer and other critical goods.
[1:36] Speaker 3: Look, it could even be called the desperation Tour. At
[1:39] Speaker 3: this point, Anthony Albanzi is on a plane jetting worldwide
[1:45] Speaker 3: while using up fuel to do so, even though, of
[1:48] Speaker 3: course he's told us to conserve fuel. Extraordinary hypocrisy, isn't it. Now.
[1:55] Speaker 3: In the last few hours he touched down in Brunei.
[1:58] Speaker 3: As you can see, they're all smiles, kicking off this
[2:02] Speaker 3: big charm offensive. There he goes on the tarmac, meeting
[2:05] Speaker 3: and greeting. He and Penny Wong also visited the war
[2:09] Speaker 3: memorial while they were there, and before you know it,
[2:13] Speaker 3: the Prime Minister was straight into it.
[2:16] Speaker 5: Tomorrow, I'm very much looking forward to meeting with His Majesty,
[2:21] Speaker 5: the Sultan of Brunei and having the opportunity to reinforce
[2:26] Speaker 5: what is a very constructive and positive relationship between our
[2:31] Speaker 5: two nations, one where Brunei is an important supplier of
[2:35] Speaker 5: fertilizer and of nine percent of our diesel to Australia.
[2:41] Speaker 3: Look, we would not be in this position if the
[2:44] Speaker 3: Green Dream wasn't running us dry. But the Prime Minister
[2:48] Speaker 3: would not need to be on this desperation tour if
[2:51] Speaker 3: we could actually use our own resources and our own
[2:54] Speaker 3: backyard to fuel ourselves. We've got gas, we've got coal,
[3:00] Speaker 3: we are sitting on an abundance, we have yet self harmed,
[3:05] Speaker 3: and instead of using them to our advantage, we export
[3:08] Speaker 3: them elsewhere. And of course we're not allowed to drill,
[3:11] Speaker 3: baby drill, as Donald Trump would say. But all in all,
[3:16] Speaker 3: I've got to summarize this because I really think that
[3:20] Speaker 3: our fuel supply crisis has been a comedy act and
[3:24] Speaker 3: I just want to break it down for you what
[3:27] Speaker 3: the last few weeks have been like and the shambles
[3:30] Speaker 3: it's been. So let's cast our minds back to when
[3:33] Speaker 3: the fuel crisis began in early March.
[3:36] Speaker 6: It's important that people know we do have a good
[3:39] Speaker 6: stock of petrol in reserve in Australia. Is no need,
[3:43] Speaker 6: no need to be concerned at this point about the
[3:46] Speaker 6: supply of diesel or petrol in Australia because our stocks
[3:49] Speaker 6: are as high as they were before this crisis began.
[3:52] Speaker 6: Our stocks are good. We're working cooperatively with the industry
[3:56] Speaker 6: to ensure that it is delivered to the regions that
[3:58] Speaker 6: are experiencing shortages as quickly and as efficiently as possible.
[4:02] Speaker 3: Yeah. Remember, nothing to see here. We're all fine, keep
[4:07] Speaker 3: calm and carry on. Next minute, more than five hundred
[4:11] Speaker 3: fuel stations across the country ran out of at least
[4:14] Speaker 3: one type of fuel. Then, of course, Anthony Arbeneasy hijacked
[4:19] Speaker 3: out televisions for three minutes and seventeen seconds on a
[4:22] Speaker 3: Wednesday night to tell us everything but nothing.
[4:27] Speaker 5: Enjoy your easter. By nature, we're an optimistic country. You
[4:31] Speaker 5: should go about your business and your life as normal.
[4:34] Speaker 5: It's hard to be positive.
[4:36] Speaker 3: Yeah, it's still the happy Easter. It gets me every
[4:39] Speaker 3: single time. And then you recall the next day at
[4:42] Speaker 3: press club, he told us he did that to combat misinformation.
[4:48] Speaker 7: Why no detail in that address last night?
[4:51] Speaker 6: White just a group hug.
[4:52] Speaker 5: One of the things that's occurred in recent weeks during
[4:57] Speaker 5: this global crisis is the amount of miss information that's
[5:00] Speaker 5: out there. People now, with due respect to Channel seven
[5:05] Speaker 5: years or anything else. Used to get their information from
[5:08] Speaker 5: seven or nine or OBC or ten or SBS. They'd
[5:13] Speaker 5: get their information there and there would be a consistency
[5:19] Speaker 5: about it. Now they're getting it on their device. It's
[5:24] Speaker 5: selling them all sorts of things that aren't true. So
[5:26] Speaker 5: I took the opportunity to talk directly directly to the nation.
[5:34] Speaker 5: That is more important than ever because the nature of
[5:38] Speaker 5: noise that is out there, the conspiracy theories that are
[5:42] Speaker 5: out there.
[5:44] Speaker 3: Seriously, it never gets old. And bear with me here,
[5:46] Speaker 3: because this is a wild ride we are all on
[5:49] Speaker 3: and we just can't get off it. We are stuck
[5:51] Speaker 3: on the elbow horror train into the never Never. And then,
[5:55] Speaker 3: of course the Energy Minister Chris Bowlin offered up this clanger.
[5:59] Speaker 6: Energy must be renewable. Energy is a secure form of energy.
[6:03] Speaker 6: The Australian Sun cannot be interrupted by a war or
[6:07] Speaker 6: anything else. The solar energy has to travel one hundred
[6:10] Speaker 6: and fifty million kilmeters from the Sun. It doesn't have
[6:13] Speaker 6: to travel the one hundred and fifty cometers that are
[6:15] Speaker 6: straits or homewards.
[6:16] Speaker 3: And just when you thought it couldn't get any worse,
[6:20] Speaker 3: this monstrosity launched yesterday to the tune of twenty million
[6:24] Speaker 3: dollars of your money.
[6:27] Speaker 8: The global fuel shortage is affecting everyone and we all
[6:30] Speaker 8: have a part to play. Your simple actions like pumping
[6:33] Speaker 8: up your tires can make our fuel supply go further.
[6:36] Speaker 8: For more tips, visit fuelplan dot gov dot au.
[6:39] Speaker 3: And of course it comes with some vital information. You know,
[6:42] Speaker 3: don't overfill your tank and what else was there? Keep
[6:45] Speaker 3: your windows closed, don't over use heating and air conditioning,
[6:50] Speaker 3: and the big one, remove your roof racks.
[6:54] Speaker 5: I certainly spoke to someone last night who I wasn't aware,
[7:00] Speaker 5: for example, that taking the roof racks off your car
[7:04] Speaker 5: will reduce the weight and reduce the fuel that you use.
[7:08] Speaker 5: That's good for saving fuel. Guess what saves money as well.
[7:11] Speaker 3: So the question I need to ask what exactly is happening?
[7:16] Speaker 3: What is happening? And this is meant to be a
[7:19] Speaker 3: serious government right and yet now we've got Anthony Albinezi
[7:24] Speaker 3: globe trotting, trotting about the world apparently to ensure that
[7:29] Speaker 3: petrol and diesel will indeed be sold to Australia. And
[7:34] Speaker 3: are we seriously supposed to believe that labor has it
[7:38] Speaker 3: all under control. Now I've got to show you Olbow's
[7:43] Speaker 3: fuel crisis explained in very simple terms.
[7:48] Speaker 9: Hello, I'm a government man and we've decided to spend
[7:51] Speaker 9: twenty million dollars giving you fuel saving tips in this
[7:55] Speaker 9: totally not a crisis crisis because every little bit count.
[7:58] Speaker 9: Try removing exit weight when traveling in the car, all right,
[8:02] Speaker 9: after footy training, timmy, every little bit helps my bit
[8:09] Speaker 9: do a massive pool before driving to work.
[8:14] Speaker 6: Every little scout skill on.
[8:17] Speaker 9: Getting a car like in the Flintstones, I'm doing my bit.
[8:22] Speaker 3: Did you know that driving.
[8:23] Speaker 9: Smoothly can reduce your fuel consumption I've attaken by cyclists.
[8:30] Speaker 3: Now that is an ad I'd happily give my taxpayer
[8:33] Speaker 3: dollars too. Now, I think us Aussies are a pretty
[8:40] Speaker 3: decent bunch, and I think overall we are respectful and tolerant.
[8:46] Speaker 3: But that respect and tolerance only extends so far when
[8:50] Speaker 3: it isn't reciprocated. Now, my bugbear is when that respect
[8:55] Speaker 3: is tarnished and dismissed by migrants who've come into this country,
[9:00] Speaker 3: have been welcomed here with open arms, but who throw
[9:02] Speaker 3: it all in our faces because they don't want to assimilate,
[9:07] Speaker 3: and so the Opposition has today finally released its longer
[9:10] Speaker 3: waited migration policy based on a value system.
[9:15] Speaker 10: For an immigration program to work in the national interest,
[9:18] Speaker 10: it must discriminate based on values. Our nation has paid
[9:23] Speaker 10: the price for believing that anyone from anywhere will embrace
[9:27] Speaker 10: our way of life. Not everyone wanting to migrate to
[9:31] Speaker 10: Australia has a noble intent. Not everyone wanting to migrate
[9:34] Speaker 10: to Australia will be a net benefit to Australia. Indeed
[9:37] Speaker 10: some will be a net train. Not everyone who wanting
[9:41] Speaker 10: to migrate to Australia will integrate with the rest of
[9:45] Speaker 10: our great country.
[9:47] Speaker 3: Fantastic. Finally, it is hard to argue with that, and
[9:51] Speaker 3: this is the conversation that we need to have. We're
[9:54] Speaker 3: desperate for it because when you look overseas in the
[9:57] Speaker 3: last few weeks alone, have a look at that. This
[10:00] Speaker 3: was a mass Muslim prayer session in the middle of
[10:04] Speaker 3: central London. This was in Trafalgar Square to mark the
[10:07] Speaker 3: end of Ramadan. I do not want to see this
[10:11] Speaker 3: in our country and there's no disrespect there. But if
[10:15] Speaker 3: you want to go and pray, go to your place
[10:18] Speaker 3: of worship. We need to be serious about migration, and
[10:23] Speaker 3: the firing gun has been fired on a sensible conservative policy.
[10:28] Speaker 3: The question remains, though, what do we stand for now
[10:31] Speaker 3: when it comes to our values, because if the Coalition
[10:35] Speaker 3: is going to sell this values based system, then we
[10:38] Speaker 3: need to be clear with what we're dealing with. I mean,
[10:40] Speaker 3: we can absolutely say that we value matship for example,
[10:45] Speaker 3: or a fair go fine. But I also think that
[10:48] Speaker 3: the face of Australia has changed because of multiculturalism. I
[10:52] Speaker 3: don't think any of us can deny that, and so
[10:55] Speaker 3: I don't even know what our values are anymore, to
[10:58] Speaker 3: be honest, because we've largely become a nation of tribes.
[11:02] Speaker 3: Migration is an acute vote driving issue. The majority of
[11:07] Speaker 3: those who come to this country live peacefully, but it's
[11:11] Speaker 3: changed from the post World War two migrants who came
[11:14] Speaker 3: here on boats that took weeks, especially from Europe, in
[11:18] Speaker 3: search for a better life. I mean, that's what my
[11:20] Speaker 3: family did. And those who came then they couldn't speak
[11:23] Speaker 3: a word of English, but they tried their hearts out,
[11:26] Speaker 3: They worked their backsides off, worked multiple jobs because they
[11:30] Speaker 3: were just so happy and so grateful to be here.
[11:34] Speaker 3: But above all, they assimilated and adopted that fair goal
[11:38] Speaker 3: and matship attitude. Since then, cultures have evolved around the
[11:42] Speaker 3: world and many are now incompatible with ours. And I'm
[11:46] Speaker 3: talking about hardline Islamic countries. And I believe that the
[11:50] Speaker 3: horse has bolted. The last two and a half years
[11:53] Speaker 3: here in Australia since October seven have proved that. So
[11:57] Speaker 3: it was good to see Angus Taylor talking tough.
[12:01] Speaker 10: Australians can see the country they love changing for the worse.
[12:05] Speaker 10: There's a fact about immigration as old as history that
[12:08] Speaker 10: we seldom speak about. When a country brings in too
[12:11] Speaker 10: many people, and the people with the wrong motivations, it's
[12:15] Speaker 10: inevitable that the character of the country changes. Parts of
[12:19] Speaker 10: the UK and Europe are now wrestling with this reality
[12:22] Speaker 10: after a period of sustained mass immigration that started in
[12:26] Speaker 10: twenty fifteen.
[12:28] Speaker 3: The Opposition has vowed to make the current value system
[12:32] Speaker 3: that migrants sign binding, as you can see, so that
[12:35] Speaker 3: includes freedom of religion, a fair go and English as
[12:39] Speaker 3: the national language. Now, while I do agree with this
[12:42] Speaker 3: policy absolutely, how do you know that a prospective migrant
[12:46] Speaker 3: holds those values and how do you explain those binding
[12:51] Speaker 3: principles to a prospective migrant? And also, which countries are
[12:56] Speaker 3: you talking about when you say wrong motivations our nation?
[13:00] Speaker 3: MP Barnaby Joyce asked that question today.
[13:03] Speaker 11: You have to put some meat on the bone. What
[13:05] Speaker 11: exactly do you mean if someone doesn't believe in democracy
[13:08] Speaker 11: that they shouldn't be here? Well, how did you do
[13:10] Speaker 11: ascertain that they didn't believe in democracy?
[13:13] Speaker 5: Now?
[13:13] Speaker 11: How did you go about that? If they don't have
[13:15] Speaker 11: our values? What part of the world we said to
[13:18] Speaker 11: be dancing around an issue that you don't want to say?
[13:20] Speaker 11: I mean, I imagine you're talking about places with a
[13:24] Speaker 11: fundamentalist in Islam. Why do you just say it, We're
[13:26] Speaker 11: going to identify these countries and we won't be taking
[13:29] Speaker 11: immigrants from those countries.
[13:31] Speaker 3: And his right be clear which countries say it? Don't
[13:36] Speaker 3: be scared to otherwise the policy is worthless. And I
[13:39] Speaker 3: just think that there needs to be a clear policy.
[13:42] Speaker 3: It needs to be right because, as I said, Australia
[13:45] Speaker 3: has changed. The Shadow Immigration Minister Jonathan Dunheam was asked
[13:49] Speaker 3: about this on Sky Today.
[13:51] Speaker 12: In there it's got things like respect for the rule
[13:54] Speaker 12: of law, respect for our democratic institutions and the outcome
[13:58] Speaker 12: of elections, respect for the freedom of people to choose
[14:01] Speaker 12: to be a part of one or other religions. Those
[14:03] Speaker 12: sorts of things are basic foundational elements of what it
[14:06] Speaker 12: means to be an Australian.
[14:08] Speaker 3: And here was liberal and p dan Tean trying to
[14:10] Speaker 3: explain it.
[14:12] Speaker 13: Say you are a social conservative who believes in traditional
[14:16] Speaker 13: gender roles and that women's primary places in the home.
[14:20] Speaker 13: Would that be a violation of Australian values.
[14:23] Speaker 14: Well, what we will be looking at is we will
[14:27] Speaker 14: be making sure first of all that people know and
[14:30] Speaker 14: understand those values and what values are. Now, obviously there
[14:35] Speaker 14: are values, as you know if you've read the statement
[14:38] Speaker 14: which around freedom of religion. So obviously where there is
[14:44] Speaker 14: an intersect between civil rights and religious rights, that'd be
[14:48] Speaker 14: something which would have to be looked at very carefully
[14:52] Speaker 14: when you were looking at these things. But there are
[14:55] Speaker 14: much more egregious breaches that we see when it comes
[14:59] Speaker 14: to the these felues.
[15:02] Speaker 3: But what are our values in this tribe's Australia in
[15:05] Speaker 3: twenty twenty six, And honestly, I don't think we've got
[15:09] Speaker 3: control over the culture we're trying to create anymore. And
[15:12] Speaker 3: now the other problem here is and you're not going
[15:15] Speaker 3: to be surprised at all to hear this that when
[15:18] Speaker 3: you try and have a debate on this on migration,
[15:22] Speaker 3: suddenly you're called a racist, a racist. This is what
[15:27] Speaker 3: the left wants the migration debate to sound like. Yep, nothing, crickets, crickets,
[15:36] Speaker 3: nothing at all. Don't even bring it up because the
[15:40] Speaker 3: left is so obsessed by this multiculturalism experiment, even if
[15:44] Speaker 3: it is to our own detriment. But have a look
[15:47] Speaker 3: at the immediate response from the left to the coalition's announcement.
[15:51] Speaker 3: Green senator David Shubridge posted on social media the coalition's
[15:55] Speaker 3: plan to reintroduce a twenty twenty six version of the
[16:00] Speaker 3: the White Australia immigration policy shows they have been captured
[16:05] Speaker 3: by extremists. Um, sorry, captured by extremists. Really, what about
[16:15] Speaker 3: the extremists we've led into this country? Now? If David
[16:19] Speaker 3: actually took the time to look at some of the polling,
[16:21] Speaker 3: he would see that the majority of you want migration
[16:25] Speaker 3: lowered and on a values based system. So if a
[16:30] Speaker 3: majority of ozsies want this, does that make every one
[16:33] Speaker 3: of them, including you, an extremist by the Green standards
[16:39] Speaker 3: and a white Australia policy. I mean, come on, Look,
[16:41] Speaker 3: this is childish. Now, this is primary school level nonsense.
[16:46] Speaker 3: What a ridiculous thing to even suggest. Nine newspapers called
[16:52] Speaker 3: the speech quote provocative that borrows from Pauline Hanson and
[16:58] Speaker 3: US President Donald Trump. There is nothing provocative about having
[17:03] Speaker 3: a conversation about migration. And you know what if it
[17:09] Speaker 3: borrows from Pauline Hanson and Donald Trump, who the heck cares?
[17:14] Speaker 3: That is not even a criticism. One nation is dominating
[17:18] Speaker 3: the polls for a reason. Donald Trump has taken a
[17:21] Speaker 3: hardline stance on a legal immigration because guess what, he
[17:25] Speaker 3: was voted in on a mandate by the majority of
[17:28] Speaker 3: Americans to do so. So, you know, again, what a
[17:31] Speaker 3: ridiculous thing to even suggest. Home Affairs Minister Tony Burke said,
[17:35] Speaker 3: mister Taylor's diatribe has nothing to do with the national
[17:39] Speaker 3: interest and is entirely about sending a vibe to one
[17:44] Speaker 3: nation a vibe. Look this notion now that you can't
[17:50] Speaker 3: talk about migration, it's no longer controversial. It is a
[17:53] Speaker 3: topic you're having with your family and your friends around
[17:57] Speaker 3: the dinner table. The left, they've just not caught up.
[18:00] Speaker 3: So if the left want crickets and no conversation, well tough.
[18:04] Speaker 3: You want this, even the majority of migrants in that
[18:07] Speaker 3: poll I just showed you want this. More than one
[18:11] Speaker 3: point four million have come into this country since Labor
[18:15] Speaker 3: was elected. Where are we going to put all these people?
[18:19] Speaker 3: Big Australia keeps getting bigger and nobody ever voted for that. Now.
[18:23] Speaker 3: The only other thing I would add about the Coalition's
[18:25] Speaker 3: plan is that it was missing one crucial thing a number,
[18:30] Speaker 3: a number of how many migrants would be allowed in
[18:33] Speaker 3: if it were to be elected. Now. I know that
[18:35] Speaker 3: today was only part one, of course, but I mean,
[18:37] Speaker 3: come on. The Coalition's been talking about releasing a plan
[18:39] Speaker 3: since December. And fine, it was postponed due to the
[18:42] Speaker 3: Bondi terror attacks. That's fine, but it's had a long
[18:45] Speaker 3: time under Susan Lee and now under Angus Taylor to
[18:48] Speaker 3: come up with a full plan and name a figure.
[18:52] Speaker 3: Why do this now in dribs and drabs, because the
[18:54] Speaker 3: appetites there. Seventy nine percent of ossies want an annual
[18:58] Speaker 3: migration intake of one hundred or less. That's compared with
[19:02] Speaker 3: the average net overseas migration under Labor of just over
[19:05] Speaker 3: four hundred and twenty four thousand. That's outrageous. This includes
[19:09] Speaker 3: seventy five percent of first generation migrants, seventy four percent
[19:13] Speaker 3: non citizens, seventy two percent of those aged eighteen to
[19:16] Speaker 3: twenty four and actually, interestingly seventy three percent of labor voters,
[19:22] Speaker 3: as sixty seven percent of Green's voters. Hello David Schubridge. Hello, Now, look,
[19:28] Speaker 3: the Coalition can't wait on this because the more voters
[19:32] Speaker 3: want action, there's an appetite for it, They're going to
[19:35] Speaker 3: be to one nation. So look, I am thrilled that
[19:37] Speaker 3: the starting gun on migration has been fired today. I
[19:41] Speaker 3: just think we need to be very clear on what
[19:43] Speaker 3: it means to be an Australian in a very changed Australia.
[19:47] Speaker 3: In twenty twenty six, well, the Sussex soap opera has
[19:56] Speaker 3: rolled into town. Yes, mister and Missus Griff otherwise known
[20:01] Speaker 3: as Harry and Meghan, are in Melbourne for the next
[20:03] Speaker 3: installment of their phony World Royal Tour. Quite extraordinary really
[20:09] Speaker 3: for two people who seem to value privacy so much,
[20:13] Speaker 3: and even more extraordinary that they're back eight years after
[20:17] Speaker 3: their last trip to Australia, a visit they claimed was
[20:20] Speaker 3: the catalyst for leaving the Royal Family. So welcome back,
[20:25] Speaker 3: welcome back. They flew in this morning on a commercial
[20:28] Speaker 3: jet from Los Angeles in business class and took some
[20:31] Speaker 3: time for some interaction.
[20:33] Speaker 15: So they were super friendly around the toilet areas when
[20:36] Speaker 15: they went to toilet, and they basically just slipped off pretty
[20:39] Speaker 15: quickly off the aircraft and then security, customs, Waterforce people
[20:43] Speaker 15: were there to meet them, and then they took them
[20:45] Speaker 15: in their own personal vehicles off the airside and where they.
[20:49] Speaker 3: Went well, at least they were friendly or around the toilets.
[20:53] Speaker 3: Meghan and the spare then went to Melbourne Royal Children's.
[20:57] Speaker 2: Hospital, Harry and Meghan meeting treating chronic adolescent conditions and
[21:03] Speaker 2: talking footy, albeit with some confusion around the codes.
[21:07] Speaker 3: I'm talking you're a big soccerphan football aflare well, who's
[21:12] Speaker 3: your team?
[21:12] Speaker 13: Thank louder.
[21:13] Speaker 2: I think are we doing well on an owner sough?
[21:18] Speaker 3: Look Meghan's fake laugh there. It just it's all really
[21:22] Speaker 3: really cringe. And bear in mind this is for what
[21:25] Speaker 3: they call their private tour, you know, private in inverted commas,
[21:30] Speaker 3: which brings me to my next point. Who is funding
[21:32] Speaker 3: the private tour? Well, we already know that us hard
[21:35] Speaker 3: working tax payers have to partially pay for their police
[21:38] Speaker 3: and security costs. One security expert claims a total cost
[21:42] Speaker 3: could run into the tens or hundreds of thousands of
[21:45] Speaker 3: dollars for goodness sake, But seriously yet, according to the
[21:49] Speaker 3: Daily Mail, the couple's publicist Lee Maguire said, the trip
[21:52] Speaker 3: is being funded privately. Well, okay, find the majority might be,
[21:57] Speaker 3: but you and I are also funding these idiots to
[22:01] Speaker 3: have their privacy privacy. They're not working royals, so why
[22:06] Speaker 3: should we be funding their security. Let's be clear. They
[22:10] Speaker 3: are here because you know, Megan didn't sell enough jam
[22:14] Speaker 3: or dog biscuits last year. I remember that Christmas Netflix special,
[22:18] Speaker 3: complete flop disaster. Harry of course needs the cash now
[22:22] Speaker 3: because he's been sued for defamation by the charity he
[22:24] Speaker 3: co founded, and every business venture that these two have
[22:28] Speaker 3: sunk their paws in has been an unmitigated disaster. They
[22:32] Speaker 3: need the money and they are so desperate for some
[22:34] Speaker 3: good publicity. As I said, grifters, mister and missus grifter
[22:39] Speaker 3: and I had to laugh at this today. Their publicist
[22:42] Speaker 3: has even had a crack at this very station Sky
[22:44] Speaker 3: News Australia. According to skyews dot com dot Au, Liam
[22:49] Speaker 3: McGuire personally emailed newsrooms, falsely alleging an embargo agreement about
[22:54] Speaker 3: the couple's itinery had been breached by us. When should
[23:00] Speaker 3: we expect to receive more specific timing rather than lunchtime
[23:03] Speaker 3: and PM for the Melbourne engagements of the Duke and
[23:05] Speaker 3: Duchess of Sussex, one reporter asked mister maguire. He replied, Unfortunately,
[23:11] Speaker 3: I can't now give more exact timings as the Daily Mail,
[23:14] Speaker 3: Daily Mirror and Sky News Australia chose to break the
[23:18] Speaker 3: embargo and have thus complicated and compromised security arrangements. He
[23:23] Speaker 3: then went on to say you can blame them well, Liam,
[23:28] Speaker 3: Sky News Australia had not received any information under embargo,
[23:31] Speaker 3: meaning no agreement could have been broken. The information was
[23:35] Speaker 3: in the public domain after being published by British media. Dear, oh, dear,
[23:42] Speaker 3: the drama already. In fact, it's about as dramatic as this.
[23:48] Speaker 7: Eyes are sparkling right now. You know, Meghan, how are you?
[23:51] Speaker 7: I just have to say, yes, enjoy us. But you're
[23:55] Speaker 7: the same, You're the same, no way, I know, yeah,
[23:58] Speaker 7: I know. Be the friend that you want in your
[24:03] Speaker 7: life and you do that. I was having the worst.
[24:06] Speaker 3: Day, and so was I.
[24:07] Speaker 16: It was sad.
[24:09] Speaker 12: No oh.
[24:13] Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. The way they talk.
[24:15] Speaker 6: Yeah.
[24:16] Speaker 3: And you know what's funny, Megan and her Spare Handbags
[24:19] Speaker 3: tour has only just begun. Stay with us. Coming up
[24:23] Speaker 3: after the break Australia to join the UK in France
[24:26] Speaker 3: and talks about safeguarding the straight up Horn moves, but
[24:29] Speaker 3: still no assistance for our number one ally in the
[24:31] Speaker 3: United States. That and more coming up with my panel
[24:34] Speaker 3: Michael Kroger and Linda Scott.
[24:35] Speaker 15: A next.
[24:40] Speaker 3: Welcome back to the program. Joining me now is former
[24:42] Speaker 3: Victorian Liberal Party president Michael Kroger and former Labor counselor
[24:46] Speaker 3: Linda Scott. Hi to both of you, good to see you,
[24:48] Speaker 3: Thank you very much for joining me. Let's start with
[24:51] Speaker 3: the coalition's migration policy, as I mentioned earlier in the show,
[24:54] Speaker 3: is designed on a values based system. Angus Taylor said,
[24:58] Speaker 3: those who migrate from Liberal demo proceeds. I thought this
[25:01] Speaker 3: quite was interesting, he said, have a greater likelihood of
[25:03] Speaker 3: subscribing to Australian values compared to those migrating from places
[25:07] Speaker 3: ruled by fundamentalists, extremists and dictators. Here's a reminder.
[25:12] Speaker 10: We'll establish a joint agency task force to kick o
[25:16] Speaker 10: unlawful overstayers out of the country. Our objective is very simple.
[25:21] Speaker 10: If you do the wrong thing, we'll keep you out
[25:24] Speaker 10: or will kick you out. You will be deported.
[25:27] Speaker 3: Michael, is this the policy that's going to bring back
[25:30] Speaker 3: the conservative voter base from one Nation?
[25:34] Speaker 17: Well, we'll bring back some because the coalitions, you know,
[25:37] Speaker 17: potentially the party of government where One Nation's probably not.
[25:42] Speaker 17: So it'll bring some back. And it's you know, I
[25:46] Speaker 17: read the policy and I thought, how do you disagree
[25:48] Speaker 17: with any of that? I saw that Fred Caake what's
[25:51] Speaker 17: his name, Sheuebridge, the Green talking about extremists. Really he
[25:58] Speaker 17: would know, he would know. Look, there are many different things,
[26:04] Speaker 17: by the way, Barnaby Joyce was saying, it's a copy,
[26:06] Speaker 17: you know, there are many different things, the housing policy aspect,
[26:09] Speaker 17: the social media vetting aspect, the co Ordination Task Force aspect,
[26:14] Speaker 17: and of course the origin a lot of the one
[26:16] Speaker 17: nation policies of AAC to Tony Abbott and John Howard
[26:18] Speaker 17: in any case, so I don't think one Nation be
[26:21] Speaker 17: trying to shouldn't be trying to claim leadership on this
[26:24] Speaker 17: particular policy because it's different and it's got its origins
[26:29] Speaker 17: in traditional liberal immigration policies. But boy, there's not much
[26:33] Speaker 17: in that you can disagree with. And I would think
[26:35] Speaker 17: the vast majority of Australians if you pull them on
[26:38] Speaker 17: each one of Angus Taylor's individual items, the overall majority
[26:43] Speaker 17: of Australians would agree with each of them absolutely.
[26:46] Speaker 3: The thing is also poll after poll for the last
[26:48] Speaker 3: twelve months of showing that the majority of Australians do
[26:50] Speaker 3: want migration lowered, Linda and on a values based system.
[26:55] Speaker 3: But just to go back to Michael's point there, you
[26:57] Speaker 3: know David Schubridge coming out today calling saying with the
[27:00] Speaker 3: Party of Extremists, what a load of nonsense. Tony Burk's
[27:04] Speaker 3: come out today and he's calling this dire tribe. Why
[27:07] Speaker 3: can we not have a sensible debate about migration in
[27:10] Speaker 3: this country.
[27:11] Speaker 18: Well, look, I think Australians are going to be asking
[27:13] Speaker 18: who the coalition thinks should come to Australia. You know,
[27:17] Speaker 18: my father in law came here as a refugee escaping
[27:22] Speaker 18: communist Yugoslavia. His father was a journalist and he had
[27:26] Speaker 18: published some truthful things about the government at the time,
[27:28] Speaker 18: and he along with his family fled across the border
[27:31] Speaker 18: in the middle of the night, came here, and obviously
[27:34] Speaker 18: I'm very pleased they came here. I'm very pleased to
[27:36] Speaker 18: have married my husband and my two sons. So I
[27:39] Speaker 18: think it's quite astonishing to me this speech today. It
[27:44] Speaker 18: draws into question how the Coalition will judge people on
[27:49] Speaker 18: their values, because so many of those people who've come
[27:54] Speaker 18: to Australia are actually escaping those regimes. We've offered them
[27:59] Speaker 18: a safehouse on the basis of their refugee status, and
[28:02] Speaker 18: we've also offered them migration and job opportunities here based
[28:06] Speaker 18: on their skills. These people have made up such a better,
[28:11] Speaker 18: more interesting, more multicultural Australia and that is for the best.
[28:15] Speaker 18: So I think you know, Michael, the question for you
[28:17] Speaker 18: is are you going to say no to people who
[28:20] Speaker 18: are trying to move here from China, a country that
[28:24] Speaker 18: is the second largest intake here in Australia currently and
[28:28] Speaker 18: is not rated as a democracy by a range of
[28:32] Speaker 18: different metrics. And where are you going to stop that?
[28:34] Speaker 18: Are you going to stop at countries like Vietnam? Are
[28:37] Speaker 18: you going to look at ratings that call countries like
[28:42] Speaker 18: India marginally democratic? Are you going to say no to
[28:45] Speaker 18: people who want to migrate here from India. Where does
[28:48] Speaker 18: the order lie for what you're going to say no
[28:52] Speaker 18: to in terms of a person's country of origin. I
[28:55] Speaker 18: think that's the question that Australians are asking.
[28:57] Speaker 17: Yeah, well, it's very easy to answer. India as a democracy.
[29:01] Speaker 17: Last time I had noticed. I think maybe he got
[29:03] Speaker 17: elected to in a democracy, democratic vote. It's the largest
[29:07] Speaker 17: democracy in the world. And the Indians who've come to
[29:10] Speaker 17: this country make an incredible contribution because Linda, they share
[29:14] Speaker 17: our values. They're hard working, pro family, pray, small business,
[29:17] Speaker 17: pro democratic. They believe in freedom of religion, freedom of speech,
[29:21] Speaker 17: freedom of association. Your parents have escaped from grandparents. You say,
[29:26] Speaker 17: your grandparents escaped from Yugoslavia. Yeah, very welcome here. They're
[29:30] Speaker 17: opposed to communism. The great iron in what you're saying,
[29:32] Speaker 17: of course, is that when Vietnamese migrants tried to escape
[29:39] Speaker 17: from Vietnam to escape communism, your prime minister at the time,
[29:42] Speaker 17: GoF Whitland didn't want them, As Jerreed Henderson has pointed
[29:44] Speaker 17: out on many occasions, he said, I don't want any
[29:46] Speaker 17: of those bolts in this country. So your party has
[29:49] Speaker 17: a notorious record in relation to Vietnamese migration. Do we
[29:54] Speaker 17: want people coming into this country? And Angus Taylor said
[29:57] Speaker 17: it's a bad value. So if someone's says no, I'm
[30:01] Speaker 17: a Jewish hating extremist, I support Hamas. I don't believe
[30:05] Speaker 17: in the state of Israel. I believe in death to
[30:08] Speaker 17: the intervial infidels. I support the slaughter of Jews. I
[30:14] Speaker 17: don't believe in democracy. I think even Fata are infidels
[30:19] Speaker 17: and should be killed. I think gays should be thrown
[30:21] Speaker 17: off the roof. I pose same sex marriage, et cetera,
[30:24] Speaker 17: et cetera. Would we want those people in our country? Well,
[30:27] Speaker 17: I would think probably not on balance, probably not.
[30:30] Speaker 18: Michael in the life sex marriage too, you're proposing on
[30:35] Speaker 18: kicking out all the members of the Liberal Party from
[30:37] Speaker 18: ten years ago. This is where you start to get
[30:40] Speaker 18: in trouble. And the Liberals used to be, in my lifetime,
[30:44] Speaker 18: the party of free speech. It's astonishing to me you
[30:47] Speaker 18: listed off a series of things and you now say
[30:50] Speaker 18: people can't say in order to qualify to be a
[30:53] Speaker 18: citizen here. If that's not breach free speech, I never heard.
[30:58] Speaker 3: I don't know what is. It's astonished from you.
[31:01] Speaker 17: So should you have kicked out Julia Gillard and Penny
[31:04] Speaker 17: Wong who opposed same sex marriage.
[31:06] Speaker 18: Well, this is what I'm asking you, this is your policy,
[31:08] Speaker 18: this is what you're proposing. You literally just named a
[31:12] Speaker 18: series of policies and said if people don't meet that test,
[31:15] Speaker 18: including tests that your party has opposed in the last decade,
[31:20] Speaker 18: then they should not become migrants here to Australia, and
[31:23] Speaker 18: indeed they should not meet the test for citizenship.
[31:26] Speaker 3: Is any free speech tests?
[31:30] Speaker 17: Yes, it is a free speech test, and it's one
[31:34] Speaker 17: of many tests. But people were free and on our
[31:37] Speaker 17: side to support or oppose marriage quality as they saw fit,
[31:41] Speaker 17: as Penny Wong and Julia Gillard opposed it for many
[31:44] Speaker 17: many years, as we will. We well know. So you know,
[31:50] Speaker 17: does it matter that someone supports or opposed as a
[31:52] Speaker 17: particularly social value. No, that's not part of what we're
[31:57] Speaker 17: talking about here. We're talking about people who think they
[31:59] Speaker 17: sho would be death to Jews, death to infidels, a
[32:04] Speaker 17: global caliphate, that opposition views should be shut down. They
[32:09] Speaker 17: don't support freedom of association, they don't support democracy and
[32:13] Speaker 17: free elections, they don't support religious freedom and religious tolerance.
[32:18] Speaker 17: They're the things we're talking about, not socialists.
[32:24] Speaker 3: Against I totally agree, and I want to butt in
[32:27] Speaker 3: here because I do agree on that point because the
[32:29] Speaker 3: problem that we've got right now in this country and
[32:31] Speaker 3: we can't dance around this. We have let some people
[32:33] Speaker 3: in who hate us, hate our values, and have no
[32:35] Speaker 3: interest in assimilating, and we cannot dance around this any longer.
[32:38] Speaker 3: I mean, for goodness sake, if the Bondi massacre hasn't
[32:40] Speaker 3: taught us anything, then we'll never learn. In the last
[32:42] Speaker 3: two and a half years, since October seven, I think
[32:44] Speaker 3: our social decay has fraction and it's really brought this
[32:47] Speaker 3: issue to the forefront. So I agree on that point,
[32:50] Speaker 3: and I think that that is the conversation we need
[32:52] Speaker 3: to have. And I just think that the lefts, you know,
[32:56] Speaker 3: commentary about racism and bigotry. I just think it doesn't
[32:59] Speaker 3: add up. I think the firing gun has started. Yeah sorry, yeah, yeah.
[33:04] Speaker 17: I just make one other really important point, given what
[33:06] Speaker 17: you were saying before at that fellow Shoebridge, there's been
[33:10] Speaker 17: a massive change in this country, certainly since the Bondi massacre,
[33:13] Speaker 17: but it's been it's been permeating Australia for a number
[33:16] Speaker 17: of years, and that is people are over being called
[33:19] Speaker 17: a racist. Yeah, you know, ten fifteen years ago, everyone's
[33:22] Speaker 17: scared about being called the racist because they thought, oh
[33:24] Speaker 17: I've been called racist. That's terrible. Now people know that's
[33:27] Speaker 17: just you know, a slur that the left throat. Anybody
[33:30] Speaker 17: that wants to talk about immigration, you're a racist. People
[33:34] Speaker 17: don't fear that term anymore.
[33:35] Speaker 3: It's lost.
[33:35] Speaker 17: It's it's lost its sting, it's lost its poignancy. It's just,
[33:39] Speaker 17: you know, people call me a racist, Angus tale. Everyone's
[33:41] Speaker 17: a racist according to the left. No one's worrying about
[33:45] Speaker 17: that anymore. Twenty eight percent of the people are supporting
[33:47] Speaker 17: one nation. They couldn't give a hoot about being called
[33:50] Speaker 17: a racist by David Shubridge of the Greens, given their record.
[33:53] Speaker 3: On Israel and Jews, or an extremist.
[33:56] Speaker 17: To be called the racist by the Greens really.
[33:59] Speaker 3: Maybe taken as a compliment these days again because it's
[34:01] Speaker 3: not a controversial topic. That's reality. But look, I want
[34:04] Speaker 3: to move on because I mentioned this earlier. The Prime
[34:07] Speaker 3: Mister is on part two of his begging tour of Asia,
[34:10] Speaker 3: trying to shore up fuel. Last week it was Singapore,
[34:13] Speaker 3: Today it's Brunei and next it's Malaysia. I just find
[34:17] Speaker 3: this extraordinary lender when we're just sitting on an abundance
[34:19] Speaker 3: of resources. We haven't properly prepared in this country. And
[34:22] Speaker 3: I'm not just saying this is labor, this is successive governments.
[34:24] Speaker 3: We can't drill, baby, drill. And yet you've got Anthony
[34:27] Speaker 3: Albanese in our gallivanting all around the world trying to
[34:29] Speaker 3: shore up our fuels supply. Does it leave you with
[34:32] Speaker 3: confidence that Labour's got a hold of this fuel crisis.
[34:36] Speaker 18: Well, I think we can all agree that there is
[34:38] Speaker 18: a problem with fuel right across the world, whether it's petrol, diesel,
[34:42] Speaker 18: because of the war in the Middle East that was
[34:45] Speaker 18: of course initiated by the US President and Israel, and
[34:50] Speaker 18: it's really important that the Australian government, acting in the
[34:53] Speaker 18: national interest, pulls every lever they possibly can to ensure
[34:57] Speaker 18: that we are doing everything we can to make sure
[34:59] Speaker 18: that we we have enough fuel. I think, of course
[35:01] Speaker 18: it's correct and right for the Prime Minister to secure
[35:05] Speaker 18: with Singapore a written agreement to ensure that our fuel
[35:08] Speaker 18: supply is as able to flow as it possibly can
[35:12] Speaker 18: under these circumstances. Of course, it's appropriate for the Prime
[35:15] Speaker 18: Minister to travel to Brunei, to secure in particular our
[35:18] Speaker 18: fertilizer supply, to make sure that we have our food
[35:21] Speaker 18: and fertilizer for our farmers, and to support the businesses
[35:24] Speaker 18: in regional Australia. Of course it's appropriate for the Prime
[35:27] Speaker 18: Minister to next head to Malaysia, our third largest source
[35:31] Speaker 18: of fuel. These are the right things for any Prime
[35:35] Speaker 18: minister to do in the national interest.
[35:36] Speaker 3: I think that they're on a green dream. If they're
[35:38] Speaker 3: on a green dream into the never never though, well,
[35:40] Speaker 3: the thing.
[35:40] Speaker 18: That surprises me is that the Coalition are constantly getting
[35:44] Speaker 18: up and sniping about this every day because you know,
[35:47] Speaker 18: of course we know, as you've outlined, under them, so
[35:50] Speaker 18: many of our fuel supplies were stored in Texas. In
[35:53] Speaker 18: the US, we saw multiple refineries closed under the coalition government.
[35:58] Speaker 18: But most importantly, what is their plan? What is Angus
[36:02] Speaker 18: Taylor's plan?
[36:03] Speaker 3: Why that might get my question, Michael, I mean, what
[36:08] Speaker 3: is the plan moving forward? What do you make of
[36:10] Speaker 3: this Asia trip?
[36:13] Speaker 17: Look, if they feel they should go well and good,
[36:15] Speaker 17: I'd prefer that a minister went rather than the Prime Minister,
[36:18] Speaker 17: because it does have an air of desperation about it.
[36:21] Speaker 3: But there is a.
[36:21] Speaker 17: Great irony Dneka in a labor leader going to Asian
[36:25] Speaker 17: countries begging for fossil fuels. I mean, really, there is
[36:29] Speaker 17: a great irony. There's a great irony in this that.
[36:32] Speaker 17: So to keep the country going, to keep our minds operating,
[36:36] Speaker 17: and more importantly, to keep our farms and food production going,
[36:40] Speaker 17: we desperately need diesel fuel to help run our farms,
[36:44] Speaker 17: our transport industry, et cetera, et cetera, to keep rural
[36:48] Speaker 17: Australia operating. Our promise being for fossil fuels, which his
[36:52] Speaker 17: energy minister has been telling us for years, we need
[36:55] Speaker 17: to spell hundreds of hundreds of billions of dollars stop music.
[36:59] Speaker 18: That there's a greater irony in the Liberal Party importing
[37:02] Speaker 18: a migration policy from overseas and giving a speech about
[37:06] Speaker 18: it today. When the cost of living crisis, the fuel crisis,
[37:10] Speaker 18: it should be the focus of the.
[37:12] Speaker 3: Opposition importing it from where your.
[37:14] Speaker 18: Leader today has just given a speech to the foreign
[37:17] Speaker 18: policy that's clearly important from overseas. It's just unbelievable to
[37:23] Speaker 18: see that the coalition's focus is not on the fuel crisis,
[37:26] Speaker 18: it's not on securing cost of living relief for Australian.
[37:29] Speaker 18: It's not on the things that are front of mind
[37:31] Speaker 18: for as.
[37:32] Speaker 3: Migration is front of mind to be. People are talking
[37:35] Speaker 3: about migrating around the dinner table. I think people, I
[37:38] Speaker 3: can't get into houses right, we don't have the infrastructure
[37:41] Speaker 3: where we're going to put all these people. Rents are up.
[37:43] Speaker 3: I actually think that this is front of mind.
[37:46] Speaker 18: I think they are talking about where they're going to
[37:48] Speaker 18: get their childcare workers from. I think they are going
[37:51] Speaker 18: to get where they're going to get Australia's hair dresses
[37:53] Speaker 18: from our construction workers from. And again, the Coalition has
[37:56] Speaker 18: not presented any numbers today. They've not presented any solutions
[37:59] Speaker 18: for the skill shortage. They've not presented any solutions for
[38:03] Speaker 18: the problems that our migration system seeks to address. Where
[38:08] Speaker 18: are these solutions going to come?
[38:10] Speaker 17: Certainly, I'm sorry, I just have to respond by saying
[38:16] Speaker 17: your immigration policy largely was stolen from John Howard in
[38:20] Speaker 17: two thousand and one and to Tony Abb in twenty thirteen.
[38:23] Speaker 17: Your Prime Minister Anthony Albanezi opposed boat turnbacks for years
[38:29] Speaker 17: and years and years until he got up at that
[38:30] Speaker 17: labor conference and had to say, oh I was wrong.
[38:33] Speaker 17: How it an Abbot will right. I mean the remnants
[38:35] Speaker 17: of your policy are basically, you know, you've taken what
[38:38] Speaker 17: Tony Abbott did and now you're saying, oh, this is
[38:41] Speaker 17: a great policy. I mean posed abb still post.
[38:47] Speaker 3: It's very I think I agree.
[38:50] Speaker 17: I think you might be the confused one, Lender. I'm sorry,
[38:53] Speaker 17: I think you're confused. Your immigration policy has been stolen
[38:57] Speaker 17: basically from Tony Abbott, and you've diluted a bit here,
[39:00] Speaker 17: there and everywhere. And now say you claiming that people
[39:04] Speaker 17: are racists and then really what from wanting to get.
[39:07] Speaker 3: Bought you're trying to say, you're Michael, no one is
[39:13] Speaker 3: doing that. You can't get me Australia.
[39:14] Speaker 17: All right, no one is doing No one is doing that.
[39:17] Speaker 3: I'm going to move on because we don't have much longer.
[39:20] Speaker 17: On Linda to take very quickly. If someone sees I
[39:25] Speaker 17: support the incarceration of Wigas, I support the oppression of
[39:31] Speaker 17: the Chinese people. I pose free speech, I pose free elections,
[39:37] Speaker 17: I oppose freedom of religion. But I want to come
[39:40] Speaker 17: to Australia. Well, I'm not sure that person should come
[39:43] Speaker 17: to Australia, whether they're Chinese or Calithampian.
[39:46] Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, Well we're almost our time now because
[39:48] Speaker 3: I can't get to another topic. Very final answer from
[39:51] Speaker 3: you on this, Linda, before we have to wrap it up.
[39:53] Speaker 18: Look, I mean labor is obviously focused on cost of
[39:55] Speaker 18: living relief and scaring the world to get everything in
[39:58] Speaker 18: the toolkit to try and support Australians, particularly those in
[40:01] Speaker 18: the regions who are not able to make choices about
[40:05] Speaker 18: using alternative All right, transport, that's a great.
[40:07] Speaker 3: Well, I mean, are just doing things in that wouldn't
[40:09] Speaker 3: have been them, That's what. Well, wouldn't it be nice
[40:11] Speaker 3: to just look at our own backyard. We are sitting
[40:12] Speaker 3: on an abundance of resources, and wonderful resources are in
[40:15] Speaker 3: this country. Unfortunately we have to leave it there. I
[40:17] Speaker 3: have enjoyed the debate. May I just say I do
[40:19] Speaker 3: love a good migration debate. See, this is what we
[40:21] Speaker 3: should be actually doing. I'm not having debates about migration
[40:24] Speaker 3: without racism and bigotry being brought up. It's ridiculous. Linda Scott,
[40:28] Speaker 3: Michael Kroger, good to have you both on. Thanks very
[40:30] Speaker 3: much for joing to be on the show. Coming up,
[40:32] Speaker 3: we'll previe the Phara by election with Nationals MPN Webster
[40:35] Speaker 3: plus more bad news for farmers already struggling with the
[40:37] Speaker 3: fertilizer crisis as China bands sulfuric acid. That's next.
[40:45] Speaker 1: Gooday guys, Paul here, Sorry, I'm not hosting tonight. I'm
[40:48] Speaker 1: off out of town filming something pretty special. But we'll
[40:51] Speaker 1: get to that in a couple of weeks time. In
[40:53] Speaker 1: the meantime, if you can join us for our town,
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[41:09] Speaker 1: Enjoy the show.
[41:13] Speaker 3: Welcome back. While it is that time in every by
[41:16] Speaker 3: election the all important draw as to who gets top
[41:18] Speaker 3: position on the ballot paper. Today, it was of course
[41:21] Speaker 3: for the main nline Pharah by election.
[41:30] Speaker 6: Five.
[41:33] Speaker 3: It always cracks me up. Actually it's a very dramatic process,
[41:36] Speaker 3: very dramatic Liberal candidate racer but Kowski has drawn top
[41:40] Speaker 3: position on the ballot paper in a field of a
[41:43] Speaker 3: dozen candidates, including for One Nation and the Nationals and
[41:46] Speaker 3: joining me now is Nationals MP and Webster who's been
[41:49] Speaker 3: in Parah over the past few days. Good to catch
[41:52] Speaker 3: up with you and thanks so much for your time.
[41:54] Speaker 3: So last night you hosted the Para Community Health Forum
[41:57] Speaker 3: alongside the Nationals MP Brad Robertson and Lee at Matt Canavan.
[42:01] Speaker 3: What was the reception like there?
[42:05] Speaker 16: Thanks Danika for having me. Yes, I've just come back
[42:08] Speaker 16: from Farah, drove all that way today and the health
[42:12] Speaker 16: forum itself was well attended by people from all persuasions
[42:18] Speaker 16: and we even had people being represented I would suggest
[42:23] Speaker 16: by the Independent, and I think there was unanimity in
[42:28] Speaker 16: the room regarding the poor health service and particularly the
[42:33] Speaker 16: hospital there at Aubrey Wodonga. It has been a hot
[42:36] Speaker 16: topic for a number of years and Brad Robertson, the
[42:40] Speaker 16: excellent Nationals candidate there, has been listening to his community
[42:45] Speaker 16: and engaged at a local level, hearing what they have
[42:49] Speaker 16: to say and what they want. It is a very
[42:51] Speaker 16: fraught issue and Matt and Brad and I and Bridget
[42:56] Speaker 16: McKenzie also were there to hear what they had done to.
[43:00] Speaker 3: Say, yeah and look, I mean healthcare in the regions
[43:02] Speaker 3: is such an important topic. It's something that I know
[43:06] Speaker 3: is front and mind for many out there, so it
[43:09] Speaker 3: is a discussion that needs to be had. How are
[43:11] Speaker 3: you feeling about the by election? You know, the polling
[43:15] Speaker 3: suggests it's going to be very tight. You've got the Nationals,
[43:18] Speaker 3: you've got the Libs, and of course now you've got
[43:21] Speaker 3: one Nation. You've got pall Enhansed on the ground, really
[43:23] Speaker 3: firing on all fronts. How are you feeling getting closer
[43:27] Speaker 3: to this by election?
[43:31] Speaker 16: Well, I mean Brad and Matt have been Matt's been
[43:35] Speaker 16: camping out while he's there. He's one tough cookie, is
[43:39] Speaker 16: all I can say. And they are talking to the
[43:42] Speaker 16: locals and hearing from locals, and they get a very
[43:46] Speaker 16: very warm reception across the really wherever they've gone in Farah,
[43:52] Speaker 16: which is great. So I think the problem with by
[43:54] Speaker 16: elections is you get a very short window and trying
[43:58] Speaker 16: to get across and hearing people have to say and
[44:01] Speaker 16: selling what we stand for and values just comes up
[44:05] Speaker 16: over and over again. Is something that we must get
[44:08] Speaker 16: back to as opposed to silly ideologies like net zero.
[44:12] Speaker 3: So glad we walked away.
[44:14] Speaker 16: And you know you've already been talking in the program
[44:17] Speaker 16: tonight about drilling our own resources and keeping our own
[44:21] Speaker 16: resources and producing our own resources. And it's another subject
[44:27] Speaker 16: for the farmers in Farah of course in my own
[44:29] Speaker 16: electric and across regional Australia where horticulture and broad acre
[44:33] Speaker 16: cropping is so important to our economy and they're really
[44:38] Speaker 16: being let down at the moment and they're under a
[44:40] Speaker 16: lot of stress.
[44:42] Speaker 3: Yeah. Look, it's tough right now, and the supply issues
[44:46] Speaker 3: obviously hitting farmers. And if that wasn't enough as a
[44:49] Speaker 3: fallout from the Iran war looming, there's now a looming
[44:54] Speaker 3: China export ban that's set to deepen this crisis. China
[44:57] Speaker 3: has notified some of its sulfuric acid produce uses that
[45:00] Speaker 3: it will stop exports from May. One large buyer was
[45:04] Speaker 3: told about it by its Chinese supply, that's according to Bloomberg.
[45:07] Speaker 3: So now it's not only fertilizer, and now we've got
[45:10] Speaker 3: sulfuric acid. How are we going to seriously get ourselves
[45:15] Speaker 3: out of this crippling dependency on foreign supply.
[45:20] Speaker 16: Oh, look, it's such an important question. You know, you
[45:23] Speaker 16: talk about migration being a debate.
[45:26] Speaker 3: That we must have.
[45:27] Speaker 16: We must have a genuine debate about our own reserves
[45:32] Speaker 16: and making our own UREA. Of course, we have got
[45:36] Speaker 16: a plant that will be up and running thanks to
[45:38] Speaker 16: the Coalition in twenty twenty seven, hopefully earlier, and with
[45:44] Speaker 16: regard to sulfur and with regard to sulfuric acid key
[45:48] Speaker 16: ingredients for farmers to grow food and to break up
[45:53] Speaker 16: rock and to be able to have an abundance in
[45:56] Speaker 16: their crops so they're not having minimal they're actually flourishing crops.
[46:02] Speaker 16: Australia does this so well. And yet now we find
[46:06] Speaker 16: in this fuel and fossil resource crisis, yes set up
[46:12] Speaker 16: by the Iran War, but also set up by net zero,
[46:15] Speaker 16: just how dependent we are on products coming into Australia.
[46:20] Speaker 16: We have got to get back to manufacturing. We've got
[46:23] Speaker 16: to trust ourselves. We've got to get the settings right,
[46:27] Speaker 16: and that includes the red tape, the Green tape, the
[46:30] Speaker 16: investor interest in Australia and ensure that we are doing
[46:34] Speaker 16: these things again ourselves. Our farmers deserve it, our nation
[46:39] Speaker 16: deserves it, and we've just got to set the tone
[46:42] Speaker 16: here on in.
[46:43] Speaker 3: Absolutely As you said, I mean, we can't drill, baby drill.
[46:46] Speaker 3: We're sitting on an abundance of resources right now. But
[46:48] Speaker 3: this green dream is absolutely killing us. We're almost out
[46:52] Speaker 3: of time, but very quickly. And I just want to
[46:53] Speaker 3: ask you, how are farmers feeling out there now? We
[46:56] Speaker 3: have been speaking to them over the last few weeks
[46:58] Speaker 3: since this fuel crisis began, and what's the feeling now? Oh, look,
[47:04] Speaker 3: I think.
[47:04] Speaker 16: There is a great deal of uncertainty. Farmers are really
[47:09] Speaker 16: struggling to be sure or assured that they will have
[47:14] Speaker 16: the diesel to harvest if they're cropping, if they actually
[47:18] Speaker 16: make the decision to plant a crop.
[47:21] Speaker 3: They're not.
[47:21] Speaker 16: They're worried that they may not have the diesel or
[47:24] Speaker 16: afford the diesel to harvest. But now we've got the fertilizer,
[47:29] Speaker 16: your ears doubled in price. We don't know what's now
[47:33] Speaker 16: going to happen with regard to soulfur and sulfuric gas,
[47:35] Speaker 16: it of course other components, and it's just really hard
[47:39] Speaker 16: for them. And let's not forget forget the water buybacks
[47:43] Speaker 16: under labor. It is certainly a top issue in Farah
[47:46] Speaker 16: as well.
[47:47] Speaker 3: Yeah, I can imagine it will be well, look, it's
[47:49] Speaker 3: going to be an interesting by election and we'll be
[47:50] Speaker 3: certainly touching base between now and then. And Webster good
[47:53] Speaker 3: to see you as always. Thanks very much for joining
[47:55] Speaker 3: me on the show. Still to come when politicians go
[47:58] Speaker 3: freestyle and I'm not talking about politics. That's next before
[48:07] Speaker 3: we go tonight. A Hungarian politician by the name of
[48:09] Speaker 3: zalt Hagitas has gone viral, not for his brand of
[48:12] Speaker 3: politics before his dance moves. Here he was busting a move.
[48:16] Speaker 19: After his party's election victory.
[48:30] Speaker 3: An incredible, isn't it that? It got me thinking, how
[48:32] Speaker 3: would you compare that to say this? I don't know
[48:42] Speaker 3: which one was better. I don't know you decide, you
[48:44] Speaker 3: tell me. Thank you for your company tonight up next
[48:47] Speaker 3: to Late Debate. Good Night,

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