# Paul Murray Live | 26 February

An episode of [Paul Murray Live](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/376966263), 26 Feb 2026, 49 min.

Audio: https://p.podderapp.com/2544644999/traffic.omny.fm/d/clips/2fb3740d-3436-44af-8cc0-a91900716aa5/be3abd48-25e5-45a6-aede-ac2a00524a12/e77b12d3-42aa-482d-a4c9-b3fd00c1df3f/audio.mp3?utm_source=Podcast&in_playlist=95971714-8fe6-4855-b1fe-ac2a00524a12

Albanese demands ministers find billions in savings for May budget, Royal Commissioner Bell meets survivors, victims' families at Bondi massacre site. Plus, voters back Dutton pledge to block foreign investors buying Australian homes. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:00] Speaker 1: From the sky New Center.
[0:02] Speaker 2: This is Paul Murray Live. Thank you, Erry. Happy Thursday
[0:08] Speaker 2: night to you or if you are around the country.
[0:10] Speaker 2: We've got a lot to get to tonight, including I've
[0:12] Speaker 2: got some details about just how many properties and how
[0:16] Speaker 2: much they are worth that foreign buyers have been buying
[0:19] Speaker 2: up in the Australian real estate market. It may not surprise,
[0:23] Speaker 2: but the numbers may shock. Also worth mentioning here too
[0:27] Speaker 2: today is the number of older workers that are continuing
[0:31] Speaker 2: to have to work because the bills get higher, including
[0:35] Speaker 2: of course in part paying off the mortgages which have
[0:38] Speaker 2: got thirteen times since this government came to power. And
[0:42] Speaker 2: remember last week when I told you about the South
[0:44] Speaker 2: Australian premier with the why we need mass immigration, it's
[0:47] Speaker 2: because who's going to wipe your bum? Well guess what
[0:49] Speaker 2: another turn deiff message from the Labor Party and a
[0:54] Speaker 2: little bigger message for those who just keep voting for them.
[0:58] Speaker 2: All right, but first, we are now in that stage
[1:01] Speaker 2: where we are in the long, boring march towards a
[1:06] Speaker 2: federal budget. It means what will they rule in and
[1:09] Speaker 2: what will they rule out? Will end up being a
[1:11] Speaker 2: long and boring conversation they've already floated the balloon on
[1:16] Speaker 2: a couple of things, including some tax changes. But I
[1:20] Speaker 2: wanted to point something out when inevitably over the next
[1:24] Speaker 2: many days and weeks and nay even months, before we
[1:28] Speaker 2: start to yet again turn towards our thoughts at the
[1:31] Speaker 2: end of April or the beginning of May, it is
[1:34] Speaker 2: about how this government has been kissed by a revenue
[1:39] Speaker 2: rainbow now in their first full year budget, because obviously
[1:45] Speaker 2: there was some partial stuff left over from the twenty
[1:48] Speaker 2: two to twenty three budget. They had seven hundred and
[1:51] Speaker 2: b four billion dollars in revenues. There's taxation, special charges
[1:55] Speaker 2: gs to all the rest of it, right, company tax
[1:58] Speaker 2: seven hundred and four billion dollars. Unbelievably, two years later
[2:02] Speaker 2: that number is now seven hundred and sixty five billion dollars.
[2:09] Speaker 2: So why are we talking about budget deficits, Because of course,
[2:11] Speaker 2: when it comes to spending, the number has gone through
[2:15] Speaker 2: the roof, and it has gone up way larger than
[2:18] Speaker 2: the amount of revenue that has been coming in. In fact, again,
[2:22] Speaker 2: if you can see the amount of government spending six
[2:25] Speaker 2: hundred and eighty five billion dollars in twenty three, twenty
[2:29] Speaker 2: four and halfway through the reporting of the twenty five
[2:33] Speaker 2: twenty six year. The expectation is that this year they
[2:36] Speaker 2: will spend eight hundred and nine billion dollars what one
[2:41] Speaker 2: hundred and twenty five billion dollars just a little difference
[2:44] Speaker 2: between people. In terms of revenue, they get an extra
[2:47] Speaker 2: sixty one billion dollars. Now, I may well not have
[2:51] Speaker 2: been any sort of a mats major or even been
[2:54] Speaker 2: at times confused about a calculator when I was at school,
[2:58] Speaker 2: But that is more money than the I've ever had
[3:00] Speaker 2: before in terms of a federal government in raw dollar value.
[3:04] Speaker 2: And they are now spending more government than more money
[3:07] Speaker 2: than any government ever before. Now, of course, at the
[3:11] Speaker 2: last election, there was at least one of the two
[3:14] Speaker 2: major parties of government who had an idea about trying
[3:17] Speaker 2: to rain the spending in because if you keep spending
[3:21] Speaker 2: the money and you don't have the revenue, well, of
[3:23] Speaker 2: course you rack up the deficits. But how was that
[3:26] Speaker 2: described by the government at the time, until people thought
[3:30] Speaker 2: that the alternative government was full of evil people that
[3:33] Speaker 2: were going to take away your Medicare card and put
[3:36] Speaker 2: Nanna out into the rain.
[3:39] Speaker 3: That shuts hot cuts cuts cut cuts, huts hat shuts,
[3:43] Speaker 3: hat cuts.
[3:46] Speaker 2: Now, of course it's cuts when anyone wants to change
[3:49] Speaker 2: the budget as a liberal. But apparently the message that
[3:53] Speaker 2: we're being sent in the gas lighting of Australia, that
[3:56] Speaker 2: is this government. We're being told that they're looking for
[3:59] Speaker 2: saving things that every minister's been told only focus on
[4:03] Speaker 2: what we have to have, not what's nice to have.
[4:06] Speaker 2: So when one party wants to spend less money, it's cuts.
[4:11] Speaker 2: When they want to spend less money, how do they
[4:14] Speaker 2: put it?
[4:15] Speaker 3: Savings, saving, saving savings, saving, saving, saving, saving savings.
[4:23] Speaker 2: Now, of course people are responsible to save money. Cut cuts, cuts, cuts, cuts,
[4:28] Speaker 2: uga booger music, he cuts your pay all of that stuff,
[4:32] Speaker 2: So of course pick a lane. Is there virtue in
[4:36] Speaker 2: spending less money as a government or is it the
[4:38] Speaker 2: most evil thing that will eventually again increase poverty even
[4:41] Speaker 2: though poverty has increased on this government's watch, And no
[4:44] Speaker 2: one cares. You know how many times I've talked about
[4:47] Speaker 2: the number of people that run out of food each
[4:49] Speaker 2: and no one cares. No one cares. Well, of course
[4:53] Speaker 2: we all will care because the budget deficits, well, they
[4:56] Speaker 2: just keep growing. Last year, the federal budget was due
[5:00] Speaker 2: to be in deficit for ten years, and now they're
[5:04] Speaker 2: openly talking about one going for twenty years. And I've
[5:07] Speaker 2: shown you the predictions from Treasury themselves where this thing
[5:11] Speaker 2: goes until the twenty sixties, so another forty years. And
[5:16] Speaker 2: if you have, like we have here, a significant difference
[5:19] Speaker 2: between how much money is coming in and how much
[5:21] Speaker 2: money is going out, then eventually all of those little
[5:23] Speaker 2: deficits are added and added and added and added.
[5:25] Speaker 1: On the one trillion dollars.
[5:28] Speaker 2: That we currently owe the rest of the world. We
[5:29] Speaker 2: are just to tick under it. But one trillion dollars
[5:31] Speaker 2: that we owe the rest of the world. And that's
[5:33] Speaker 2: just for the stuff, by the way.
[5:34] Speaker 1: That's in the budget.
[5:35] Speaker 2: No one talks about the stuff that's off budget, which
[5:39] Speaker 2: no doubt would.
[5:39] Speaker 1: Push that number even higher.
[5:41] Speaker 2: But now again, who cares you cut? He'll he'll cut,
[5:45] Speaker 2: you'll pay we're doing savings well. Of course, there is
[5:50] Speaker 2: one other way to try to pull their head in,
[5:55] Speaker 2: and that's to do nothing about spending. Instead, it's time
[6:00] Speaker 2: now to talk about an ambitious budget and just how
[6:04] Speaker 2: the word of savings versus cuts. Ambitious budget? What does
[6:09] Speaker 2: that mean, treasurer.
[6:11] Speaker 3: I'm working on making it the most ambitious. Of the
[6:15] Speaker 3: government's five budgets, we are working through options and considerations
[6:19] Speaker 3: when it comes to tax reform and the budget more broadly.
[6:24] Speaker 2: Ah, ambitious means more taxes.
[6:28] Speaker 1: Now.
[6:28] Speaker 2: Of course, because this is the Labor Party, they're going
[6:32] Speaker 2: to say, okay, look, you know there are more people
[6:34] Speaker 2: earning under one hundred grand than over one hundred grand.
[6:36] Speaker 2: So anything we do has to affect the people over
[6:38] Speaker 2: one hundred grand because they probably don't vote for us anyway.
[6:41] Speaker 2: Ugobuget evil, pay you fair share or all of that stuff,
[6:45] Speaker 2: despite the fact that, of course the tops tax bracket
[6:47] Speaker 2: is paying almost fifty percent of all of it. Whatever,
[6:50] Speaker 2: who cares? Who cares? Jim's just here to help.
[6:55] Speaker 1: Now.
[6:56] Speaker 2: They're going to change the capital gains tax policies in
[7:00] Speaker 2: and around home ownership. Whether they were grandfather everything, whether
[7:03] Speaker 2: they change things, who knows. Details, details, details, we'll get there.
[7:07] Speaker 2: But I've got to give this to the Labor Party
[7:10] Speaker 2: because when they take a policy like that one to
[7:15] Speaker 2: an election in twenty and nineteen, they get their ass
[7:18] Speaker 2: handed to them. Well, unlike the Liberal Party, they don't
[7:23] Speaker 2: have to say something is dead, buried and cremated. They
[7:26] Speaker 2: don't have to say oh, we don't believe in that anymore.
[7:29] Speaker 2: We one hundred percent will not suggest that anymore now. Instead,
[7:33] Speaker 2: it just goes into the bottom drawer. Because in twenty
[7:37] Speaker 2: and nineteen the ambitious Treasurer said, what was one of
[7:42] Speaker 2: the ideas to how to fix the budget, particularly when
[7:45] Speaker 2: it comes to housing, but pay attention.
[7:49] Speaker 3: Housing affordability, which doesn't make important and considered changes to
[7:53] Speaker 3: capital gains and negative gearing has a hole in the
[7:56] Speaker 3: middle of it.
[7:58] Speaker 2: Ah, So the idea that was rejected in twenty nineteen
[8:04] Speaker 2: gets reheated. They wouldn't dare do it in the first term.
[8:08] Speaker 2: They secure a massive second term. They look across the
[8:11] Speaker 2: road and think, well, we're going to end up with
[8:13] Speaker 2: most of the preferences no matter how terrible our decisions are.
[8:17] Speaker 2: So let's just do what we always wanted to do,
[8:20] Speaker 2: just by the fact that the public rejected it. Now
[8:23] Speaker 2: we've seen this lots of different policy areas, right down
[8:26] Speaker 2: to the details of the types of people they were
[8:28] Speaker 2: trying to appoint to boards at the end of the
[8:30] Speaker 2: rud government. Some of those people are being appointed to
[8:33] Speaker 2: positions in the same positions thirteen years later. But of
[8:42] Speaker 2: course they have the media on side. They have no
[8:45] Speaker 2: one pointing out, apart from this little black duck that
[8:49] Speaker 2: no one is talking about, hang on, well, hang on,
[8:53] Speaker 2: isn't this the stuff that got rejected? Why is it
[8:54] Speaker 2: coming back now? Because of course, what they do is
[8:58] Speaker 2: they're going to float a balloon. They're going to pretend
[9:00] Speaker 2: that it's only the super rich that are going to
[9:01] Speaker 2: pay for it. Because if the super rich they've just
[9:04] Speaker 2: got so much money and they've got their monocles on,
[9:07] Speaker 2: and they've got their top hats and they smoke cigars
[9:12] Speaker 2: and they do nothing to help anyone. You get the
[9:16] Speaker 2: game that gets played here. If they want to save money,
[9:20] Speaker 2: it's it's savings. If they other people will want to
[9:23] Speaker 2: save money, cut cuts, got cuts, and no one calls
[9:26] Speaker 2: them out, No one at all. None of the people
[9:29] Speaker 2: who were on the bus having the Friday Bers during
[9:32] Speaker 2: the campaign being stroked like the little kiddy cats on
[9:36] Speaker 2: the promise of a one on one with the Prime
[9:37] Speaker 2: Minister at the end of the campaign, so please never
[9:40] Speaker 2: ask him a tough question.
[9:43] Speaker 1: None of those.
[9:43] Speaker 2: People have pointed out, hang on, isn't this what you
[9:47] Speaker 2: wanted to do? And literally we have the tape of
[9:48] Speaker 2: you saying you wanted to do this a couple of
[9:51] Speaker 2: elections ago, including the election where you said you wouldn't happen,
[9:54] Speaker 2: and then the election where of course the gobaget no
[9:56] Speaker 2: whatever whatever, no one cares so ambitious, is not going
[10:03] Speaker 2: to see any significant reduction in spending. Why because they've
[10:07] Speaker 2: turned around and made all those promises that they did,
[10:09] Speaker 2: you know, the millions and billions during the last election campaign.
[10:13] Speaker 2: They eventually probably want to make some sort of a
[10:15] Speaker 2: pilot scheme between now and the next election about free
[10:18] Speaker 2: childcare for everyone. And again, who has a problem with
[10:21] Speaker 2: freel charker for everyone, Well, only those of us who
[10:24] Speaker 2: understand that unless the government is going to increase its
[10:27] Speaker 2: revenue by a dramatic amount of money than any increase
[10:31] Speaker 2: in the spending, that is more dramatic than the money
[10:34] Speaker 2: that they are able to get from filling around the
[10:36] Speaker 2: edges on taxes that they will say do not affect
[10:39] Speaker 2: that many people, so therefore do not actually make that
[10:41] Speaker 2: much financial difference. It's all about seeming to be involved
[10:47] Speaker 2: in tax reform. Part of the input to the need
[10:55] Speaker 2: for the brave budget that is about to be delivered
[10:59] Speaker 2: by the spinder in chief comes from sources like the
[11:04] Speaker 2: bloke who does the finance report over on the ABC. Now, interestingly,
[11:10] Speaker 2: this is the guy who has previously he's got to
[11:13] Speaker 2: be in hispondent about climate change, the need to do things.
[11:16] Speaker 2: He's previously suggested that basically there's an awful lot of
[11:19] Speaker 2: farmland that we should just bugger off, replace it with
[11:23] Speaker 2: the trees, turn farms into forests. The most straightforward WAI
[11:26] Speaker 2: to achieve the removal of carbon dioxide from the atmosphere
[11:29] Speaker 2: that the CSIRO and therefore the government will be relying
[11:32] Speaker 2: on is to plant biddings of trees on productive agricultural
[11:34] Speaker 2: land around the East and the West coasts of Australia.
[11:37] Speaker 2: This farmland is currently used to grow wheat, canola, grapes
[11:41] Speaker 2: or is where cattle is pastured. So you know, put
[11:44] Speaker 2: a line through that we've got trees because we've got
[11:47] Speaker 2: one percent of the global carbon problem. China don't talk
[11:50] Speaker 2: about it. That's an area suggested astraight as agricultural sector
[11:53] Speaker 2: will shrink dramatically, the land will be needed for forests. Well,
[11:57] Speaker 2: he has come up with another idea today, and this
[12:00] Speaker 2: one again given free platform, because of course there's no
[12:04] Speaker 2: opinion hosts over on the ABC. Is there Well, the
[12:08] Speaker 2: finance guy who tells you about whether the dollar went
[12:10] Speaker 2: up or down is also able to freelance with suggestions
[12:14] Speaker 2: for the Australian economy, and one of his suggestions is
[12:18] Speaker 2: death taxes. Reducing inequality means taxing capital more, including inheritances.
[12:28] Speaker 2: Australia had inheritance taxes from nineteen fifteen to nineteen seventy five,
[12:33] Speaker 2: after which they were abolished during a frenzy of state
[12:36] Speaker 2: competition for rich retirees, which ended up being a nil
[12:40] Speaker 2: all draw. He won't be brought back, but it should
[12:43] Speaker 2: be if improving intergenerational inequality is the goal. Now again,
[12:50] Speaker 2: when these things are suggested and it's put into the
[12:52] Speaker 2: input about an ambitious budget, well, of course it's all
[12:56] Speaker 2: about making sure that the binionaire can't give the billions
[12:59] Speaker 2: to the family that's left, that the millionaires with the
[13:03] Speaker 2: monocle and the top hat cannot hand the money onto
[13:09] Speaker 2: the undeserving family. But also what about the principle of
[13:16] Speaker 2: the suburban family who, through hard work or good luck
[13:21] Speaker 2: or good timing, was able to turn a story of
[13:27] Speaker 2: turning up in this country with nothing in their pockets.
[13:29] Speaker 2: They were able to turn it into a very successful
[13:31] Speaker 2: business one that now involves their family members. Well, tut
[13:37] Speaker 2: tut tut, because you see, the government does not care
[13:41] Speaker 2: at all about anything outside of the purview of the
[13:44] Speaker 2: triangle of dependence. Government exists to hand the majority of
[13:50] Speaker 2: the population welfare, to have the biggest sector or one
[13:57] Speaker 2: of the biggest sectors or single biggest employers being the
[14:00] Speaker 2: government itself. And you've got those people all over the country.
[14:05] Speaker 2: And then of course business doesn't want to rock the boat,
[14:08] Speaker 2: so they want to have the biggest customer to be
[14:11] Speaker 2: the government. So therefore anyone who exists outside of it, well,
[14:17] Speaker 2: they're just a money tree, right, They're just people that
[14:21] Speaker 2: are taken up space, as displayed in that graphic just there. Now,
[14:29] Speaker 2: of course they will say none of this is the case.
[14:32] Speaker 2: But what they see here is no case for a
[14:35] Speaker 2: significant cutting in spending. Instead, they see the case for
[14:39] Speaker 2: the increasing in taxes. Now, this government itself would be
[14:44] Speaker 2: able to I could say, make five billion dollars tomorrow
[14:49] Speaker 2: by say, reducing the amount of taxation on things like tobacco,
[14:55] Speaker 2: meaning people go back to actually purchasing the legal product
[14:59] Speaker 2: and paying the tax because the tax increases are so high.
[15:03] Speaker 2: Of course, how many people have now gone and find
[15:05] Speaker 2: the chop chop for twenty dollars as opposed to the pack,
[15:09] Speaker 2: and the pack now is what close to fifty to
[15:11] Speaker 2: sixty depending on what you're into.
[15:14] Speaker 1: They could do that.
[15:16] Speaker 2: The same government that of course has sat by and
[15:19] Speaker 2: has seen increase after increasing increase in things like petrol
[15:25] Speaker 2: tax or beer tax now wants to say we're heroes
[15:29] Speaker 2: because we're freezing beer tax at the level that is
[15:32] Speaker 2: the highest that it has been since they came to government.
[15:36] Speaker 2: It's a shell game, just like the population and the
[15:40] Speaker 2: mass immigration thing is a shell game. It's a Ponzi scheme.
[15:46] Speaker 2: Now they say it's to turn up and have more
[15:49] Speaker 2: people working, and more working equals bigger company profits and
[15:52] Speaker 2: give bigger company profits equals bigger taxes. But how many
[15:56] Speaker 2: loopholes are there about significant corporations not being able to
[15:59] Speaker 2: pay tax? Again, don't mention it. If he wants to
[16:03] Speaker 2: be ambitious, ambitious is going to have to be a
[16:05] Speaker 2: lot more than a very little fiddle on the edge
[16:10] Speaker 2: when it comes to property taxes that already Australians have rejected.
[16:16] Speaker 2: And while they're going to pretend they're saving money or
[16:18] Speaker 2: they're raising money because they're responsible economic managers. The reality
[16:23] Speaker 2: is that if you bring more and more and more,
[16:26] Speaker 2: and you grow the tax base and bracket creep means
[16:28] Speaker 2: that the numbers start to go up. Well, the government
[16:30] Speaker 2: still gets to keep spending like the drunken sailors that
[16:33] Speaker 2: they are, where in part of course they help pay
[16:37] Speaker 2: the wage of the bloke on the public broadcaster who
[16:39] Speaker 2: gives them more ideas just.
[16:40] Speaker 1: To you know, it's not going to be in this budget.
[16:41] Speaker 2: But unless you start to float the conversation of inheritance taxes,
[16:47] Speaker 2: how does that feel as a country. No matter how
[16:51] Speaker 2: hard you work, no matter what you build up, no
[16:53] Speaker 2: matter what asset you end up with at the end,
[16:56] Speaker 2: to make your kid's life easier, government should get a
[17:01] Speaker 2: bit of that, because we've got to keep the triangle
[17:04] Speaker 2: nice and strong, don't they. There will be much more
[17:08] Speaker 2: to be said, but do not fall for the spin,
[17:11] Speaker 2: do not fall for the shell gamem, and for goodness sake,
[17:14] Speaker 2: don't let them call an old idea ambitious. I've been
[17:22] Speaker 2: spending some time this week talking about well what looks
[17:25] Speaker 2: to be the snowjob of this Royal Commission, which is
[17:28] Speaker 2: into anti Semitism and into social cohesion but the very reason,
[17:32] Speaker 2: of course that it has been called is because fifteen
[17:35] Speaker 2: people were murdered because of whom they are in Bondai.
[17:40] Speaker 2: Now again we double checked all of the dates here.
[17:45] Speaker 2: The criminal proceedings which are taking place against the alleged government,
[17:48] Speaker 2: all of that had already begun before the Royal Commission
[17:51] Speaker 2: was confirmed. Yet we can't find an awful lot of
[17:54] Speaker 2: record of the government or anyone else setting the expectation
[17:57] Speaker 2: that the Royal Commission that happened because of bond and
[18:00] Speaker 2: I wouldn't be allowed to talk about BONDI.
[18:04] Speaker 4: An individual has been charged with a terrorism offense, the
[18:10] Speaker 4: trial of that individual will be the occasion to lead
[18:14] Speaker 4: evidence of the attack. This commission must do its work
[18:19] Speaker 4: without risking any prejudice to that criminal proceeding. Leading evidence
[18:26] Speaker 4: of this commission from people who maybe witnesses in the
[18:31] Speaker 4: criminal proceeding won't create that risk, and for that reason
[18:36] Speaker 4: it will not occur.
[18:39] Speaker 2: Now we decided to go back and have a look
[18:41] Speaker 2: at the files today to see was there any examples
[18:44] Speaker 2: of the Prime Minister set in the expectation that the
[18:47] Speaker 2: Royal Commission that only happened because of Bonda wouldn't actually
[18:49] Speaker 2: talk about Bondi.
[18:52] Speaker 4: No.
[18:53] Speaker 5: Our government's priority is to promote unity and social cohesion
[18:58] Speaker 5: and this is what Australians needs to heal, to learn
[19:03] Speaker 5: to come together in a spirit of national unity.
[19:07] Speaker 2: It's clear to me that a Royal.
[19:09] Speaker 5: Commission is essential to achieving this, and we find solutions
[19:13] Speaker 5: and we have done that. What we're not doing is
[19:16] Speaker 5: deferring action.
[19:19] Speaker 2: To heal from Bondai, to learn from Bondai, but don't
[19:26] Speaker 2: talk about Bondai well. Today the Royal Commissioner decided to
[19:33] Speaker 2: have an informal meeting with the very people that she's
[19:36] Speaker 2: going to shut out of the Royal Commission. That is
[19:38] Speaker 2: only happening because of what happened to the family members
[19:42] Speaker 2: that they mourn. Today she was at Bondeau Beach, not
[19:47] Speaker 2: particularly happy that a couple of cameras decided to turn
[19:50] Speaker 2: up as well. The informal meeting was held it's ten
[19:52] Speaker 2: am on Thursday in the Bondau Pavilion to discuss why
[19:55] Speaker 2: the Anti Semitism and Social Cohesion World Commission would not
[19:58] Speaker 2: be able to directly probe the at that left them scarred.
[20:02] Speaker 2: In an invitation sent to those affected, Ms Bell says
[20:05] Speaker 2: she would quote explain the limitations on the approach the
[20:09] Speaker 2: Commission had taken, had to take to leading evidence of
[20:13] Speaker 2: the circumstances of the attack, and to answer the questions
[20:16] Speaker 2: as to how the commission process was about to work.
[20:20] Speaker 2: She declined to commit when approached, so she decided that
[20:26] Speaker 2: the Royal Commission into BONDI wouldn't talk about BONDI or
[20:29] Speaker 2: the snow job was always there from the start, from
[20:32] Speaker 2: the bloke who never wanted the Royal Commission, to the
[20:36] Speaker 2: terms of reference that became vague, to the commissioner who
[20:40] Speaker 2: was chosen to keep this thing on track, to a
[20:45] Speaker 2: reporting schedule that, as I showed you last night, is
[20:49] Speaker 2: ludicrously short into something as significant as anti semitism. Read
[20:54] Speaker 2: the past couple of years social cohesion read the failures
[20:58] Speaker 2: of the past thirty years and the potential are both
[21:00] Speaker 2: into the next. How long can you get back to
[21:04] Speaker 2: us in sixty five days? Please? Any other Royal Commission? Well,
[21:07] Speaker 2: it's hundreds and hundreds of days, it's even thousands of
[21:09] Speaker 2: days before there's an interim report. But ah, yesterday's news.
[21:12] Speaker 2: No one cares.
[21:15] Speaker 1: Until I see otherwise.
[21:17] Speaker 2: That's my view that this is a snow job that
[21:21] Speaker 2: the Royal commission that wasn't wanted by the government, that
[21:25] Speaker 2: was only called because of the events in Bondai, that
[21:27] Speaker 2: won't look into the events in Bondai, seems to be
[21:31] Speaker 2: about just the political solution to the Prime Minister's families
[21:34] Speaker 2: in and around Bondai. If you've been paying attention all week,
[21:37] Speaker 2: we've been putting bricks in this wall. But isn't it
[21:41] Speaker 2: incredible again all of the people whose job it is
[21:46] Speaker 2: to remember what happened last week, yet none of them
[21:50] Speaker 2: ever say anything, because you wouldn't want to dare upset
[21:53] Speaker 2: the Emperor, regardless of whether there is naked or wearing
[21:58] Speaker 2: a new suit. Now, in Australia, property and how hard
[22:04] Speaker 2: it is to come by is a significant conversation. It
[22:07] Speaker 2: is one that I believe whichever version of Australian politics
[22:11] Speaker 2: is able to come up with some sort of an
[22:13] Speaker 2: answer about how people are going to be able to
[22:14] Speaker 2: buy their first home, or how they're going to be
[22:16] Speaker 2: able to move up to their next home, or how
[22:18] Speaker 2: they might be able to downsize from that big home.
[22:21] Speaker 2: I think all of that would be really interesting. And
[22:25] Speaker 2: while I know the twenty twenty five election was rather significant,
[22:28] Speaker 2: it is important to remember that Peter Duddon had a suggestion,
[22:34] Speaker 2: and that was that we would block foreign investors in
[22:38] Speaker 2: the Australian property market on existing properties. This ended up
[22:42] Speaker 2: being very popular, close to seventy percent of people agreeing
[22:45] Speaker 2: with it. So I guess what the government did? Oh yeah,
[22:47] Speaker 2: the sarrow there are ID two. Cludess Clara O'Neil, she
[22:50] Speaker 2: was out and about there and then she was telling
[22:52] Speaker 2: everyone before the last election, we're getting serious about foreign buyers.
[22:57] Speaker 6: Today the government's announcing that we are going to ban
[23:00] Speaker 6: foreign ownership of existing property in Australia. This is an
[23:05] Speaker 6: important move. We need to orient the entire efforts of
[23:07] Speaker 6: the Australian government around security of housing for Australians and
[23:12] Speaker 6: wherever possible, home ownership for a broader range of young Australians.
[23:16] Speaker 6: This is a good policy.
[23:19] Speaker 2: Because security and all all the right stuff. Okay, people
[23:23] Speaker 2: laid it up like a spoon. You get the point. Well,
[23:29] Speaker 2: you may have noticed the asterisk in both of these
[23:30] Speaker 2: policies was foreign buyers can still get involved in a
[23:35] Speaker 2: new piece of construction. Now, yes, theoretically this means that eventually,
[23:40] Speaker 2: if something was bought by a foreign buyer, maybe they
[23:43] Speaker 2: would sell it to a local I don't know, ten
[23:45] Speaker 2: years after it's been built. Does nothing, of course, to
[23:47] Speaker 2: deal with the immediate concerns of the first home buyers market,
[23:50] Speaker 2: or the investor market, or the rental market. But us
[23:52] Speaker 2: whatever foreign investors have put in billions of dollars to
[23:58] Speaker 2: the Australian property market. The announcements have been made three
[24:03] Speaker 2: point seven billion dollars to be precise. And this is
[24:06] Speaker 2: just the information that comes from the Foreign Investment Review Board,
[24:10] Speaker 2: which last month revealed that there were nine hundred and
[24:12] Speaker 2: twenty nine Ossie home sales where the combined value of
[24:15] Speaker 2: one point two billion dollars. And remember, to qualify for
[24:20] Speaker 2: the Foreign Investment Review Board, there's a certain threshold, so
[24:22] Speaker 2: there's a lot more below all of this. And that's
[24:24] Speaker 2: just in the first three months, you mean, after the
[24:28] Speaker 2: announcement was made by the Minister saying it's all about
[24:31] Speaker 2: the focusing on the young people in the housing market.
[24:34] Speaker 2: Tital known sales to offshore buyers in the financial year
[24:38] Speaker 2: of twenty twenty five three point seven b four billion dollars.
[24:43] Speaker 2: China dominated the list with a thousand purchases combined value
[24:48] Speaker 2: one point one b four billion dollars. Again, just pay attention,
[24:57] Speaker 2: and I you do, but just pay attention to what
[24:59] Speaker 2: they say the way they sell it. And then when
[25:03] Speaker 2: everyone opens up the present there's an empty box because
[25:07] Speaker 2: the foreign buyers might not be bidding against you for
[25:09] Speaker 2: the existing two bedroom unit. But guess what they are
[25:12] Speaker 2: doing buying up all of the new ones in all
[25:17] Speaker 2: of those suburbs you'd like to live in or get
[25:20] Speaker 2: your kids to buy in. One day. Nothing to see here.
[25:25] Speaker 2: They're cracking down on foreign investors are apart from what
[25:28] Speaker 2: four billion dollars worth in just one year. Meantime, the
[25:33] Speaker 2: number of people over a certain age who are still
[25:35] Speaker 2: working because they have to work is going up under
[25:38] Speaker 2: this government. Again, I know, this is just crazy. I
[25:40] Speaker 2: mean they are the greatest government of all time. They're
[25:42] Speaker 2: ambitious in the budget, they care about the future in housing.
[25:47] Speaker 2: They want to build social cohesion with a Royal Commission
[25:52] Speaker 2: into an event that it's not allowed to talk about
[25:55] Speaker 2: the event. A record seven hundred and sixty thousand Australians
[25:58] Speaker 2: over the age of sixty five in the workforce, the
[26:00] Speaker 2: Coalition claiming the figures show that older people are being
[26:03] Speaker 2: forced to work because of cost of living pressures. The
[26:07] Speaker 2: average number of older people working in the year to
[26:10] Speaker 2: October is the highest since records began in nineteen ninety five,
[26:13] Speaker 2: up nearly twenty percent since Labor was elected by the
[26:17] Speaker 2: Way in twenty twenty two. The number of over sixty
[26:20] Speaker 2: fives in the workforce has risen by twenty seven percent
[26:22] Speaker 2: in Victoria since the Abanezi government was elected, up twenty
[26:26] Speaker 2: two percent to two hundred and forty three thousand people
[26:29] Speaker 2: who are still working past retirement age in New South Wales.
[26:35] Speaker 1: Nothing to see here.
[26:39] Speaker 2: And then and then, even if you do retire eventually,
[26:43] Speaker 2: if you don't take all of the assets that you
[26:45] Speaker 2: earn and put them into age care. And then you know,
[26:48] Speaker 2: private or not for profit companies peddle it all up
[26:50] Speaker 2: against the wall. So there's four fifths of bugger all
[26:53] Speaker 2: left to be left over to the kids. The bloke
[26:56] Speaker 2: from the ABC says.
[26:57] Speaker 1: They should tax that too.
[27:01] Speaker 2: That's why we call and talk about other people's money
[27:03] Speaker 2: all the time. Just ridiculous. All right, let's get to
[27:08] Speaker 2: the discussion of the evening. Can you know who you
[27:09] Speaker 2: think of the winner and the loser off the week?
[27:11] Speaker 7: Is?
[27:11] Speaker 1: All you need to do is send me an email
[27:12] Speaker 1: ports Gudes dot com. Dot Au.
[27:15] Speaker 2: We will get into that conversation in a moment or
[27:17] Speaker 2: two time, as well as the Prime Minister, yet again
[27:21] Speaker 2: unable to say what everyone else is thinking. Thank you
[27:31] Speaker 2: very much for watching. Let us get into a conversation
[27:34] Speaker 2: as always on a Thursday night with our dear friend
[27:35] Speaker 2: Joe Hildebrand, who is here in the man Cave all
[27:38] Speaker 2: the start your HQ whatever.
[27:39] Speaker 4: We like.
[27:40] Speaker 7: Wonderful to be here. I like man Cave.
[27:42] Speaker 8: It makes me feel tougher than I ever have in
[27:43] Speaker 8: mind time. It's almost like I can finally take off
[27:46] Speaker 8: the glasses and care about football.
[27:49] Speaker 2: I'll walk you through it, all right, Rosca Now Roscadelle
[27:52] Speaker 2: joins us now of course national senator, shadow minister as well.
[27:56] Speaker 1: He's in Canberra. Now. I do not want to talk
[27:58] Speaker 1: about Grace Tame.
[27:59] Speaker 2: Okay, I'm not going to talk about Grace dam Why
[28:02] Speaker 2: I sort of think of that Simpsons just don't look principal, right,
[28:06] Speaker 2: because there's no winning in all of this stuff. But
[28:10] Speaker 2: the event of him at the event where he's asked
[28:12] Speaker 2: to come up with one word, he comes up with
[28:14] Speaker 2: the one word that Sky falls in because this is
[28:16] Speaker 2: interpreted to be a certain way, brings us to a
[28:19] Speaker 2: point where some lefties and some lefting news organizations are
[28:23] Speaker 2: starting to notice what we've known since he became leader
[28:26] Speaker 2: in twenty nineteen. He never admits he's wrong. Ever, maybe
[28:30] Speaker 2: when he fell off the stage didn't happen, didn't happen.
[28:33] Speaker 2: Now he's trying to pretend that what I really meant
[28:35] Speaker 2: to say was anyway interesting here? Which was the Pop's
[28:38] Speaker 2: biggest problem isn't calling difficult, It's that he can't admit
[28:42] Speaker 2: that he's wrong. This is what's interesting here? Right again?
[28:46] Speaker 2: Can we just read into part of this year, which
[28:48] Speaker 2: is the entire country misunderstands something that you say. Are
[28:53] Speaker 2: the people at fault for not knowing your intentions? Or
[28:55] Speaker 2: are you at fault for being clumsy with the words?
[28:58] Speaker 1: And if you, if you were.
[28:59] Speaker 2: Subsequent apology is ham fisted and comes across as unaware
[29:02] Speaker 2: and insincere. Who cops the blame? Then? Now, Joe, yes,
[29:06] Speaker 2: your mate, he's incredibly successful. But I'll say this, I've
[29:09] Speaker 2: seen plenty of politicians who have had the benefit of
[29:12] Speaker 2: the doubt, and then people just look the other way.
[29:14] Speaker 2: They look the other way whenever, at whatever point they
[29:17] Speaker 2: start to look and see this stuff. It pisces him
[29:21] Speaker 2: off very quickly. And you know, what is it?
[29:24] Speaker 1: Rooster feather Duster is pretty fast that appen next week?
[29:29] Speaker 2: What is it about him that even when he's flying
[29:31] Speaker 2: as high as he is, and he's seemingly as strong
[29:35] Speaker 2: as he and impenetrable as he is politically right, that
[29:38] Speaker 2: he still can't turn around and say, I'm sorry I
[29:41] Speaker 2: did the wrong thing.
[29:42] Speaker 7: Do you know?
[29:43] Speaker 8: I was actually just talking to I was in Camber
[29:45] Speaker 8: this week and I was talking to a maid of
[29:47] Speaker 8: mine who's an advisor as well, sort of guru type
[29:50] Speaker 8: of comms guy on the labour side of things, and
[29:53] Speaker 8: we're at the King Hotel, and I promise i'd say
[29:55] Speaker 8: hello to Flamo superstarlam But it is I think it
[30:02] Speaker 8: part leads a difference between the right and the left
[30:03] Speaker 8: to some extent. So you look, there's two different styles
[30:06] Speaker 8: of leadership. One is the Peter Betty style, which is
[30:09] Speaker 8: you apologize straight away and you pledge to fix the problem.
[30:14] Speaker 8: Similar to this is the Bob Carr school, which you
[30:17] Speaker 8: and I witness firsthand, where something will go horribly wrong
[30:22] Speaker 8: in a hospital or at a department of community services
[30:25] Speaker 8: or whatever it is, and everyone will be furious and outrage,
[30:29] Speaker 8: and you out outrage them, and so you say you
[30:32] Speaker 8: think you're angry, I'm furious. I'm going to sack the DG.
[30:35] Speaker 8: I'm going to get look into this, and we go
[30:37] Speaker 8: blah blah blah. And the Chrispins things as well. Chrispins
[30:41] Speaker 8: is very much of the school where he says, you
[30:43] Speaker 8: know what, we're stuffed.
[30:44] Speaker 1: Up and I'm that this is the bloke is in
[30:47] Speaker 1: charge and he's.
[30:49] Speaker 2: That's right.
[30:49] Speaker 7: And then on the left side of.
[30:52] Speaker 8: The on the left side of politics, it kind of
[30:55] Speaker 8: because it's more ideologically driven. Not that our both particularly
[30:57] Speaker 8: ideology and more, but the whole idea is that this works,
[31:01] Speaker 8: the system works, and so they sort of can't admit
[31:05] Speaker 8: that they're wrong or say sorry, because the whole premise
[31:08] Speaker 8: is that this, you know, the system that they are
[31:12] Speaker 8: adhering to, is successful. And Daniel Andrews was notoriously stubborn
[31:16] Speaker 8: and would just sort of say, and I've known another XPM,
[31:19] Speaker 8: not Albow, who literally just looked me in the private
[31:23] Speaker 8: conversation and said, you know, black was white, literally right,
[31:27] Speaker 8: So that never happened. And I looked at him and
[31:30] Speaker 8: I kind of was speechless for a while, and I
[31:32] Speaker 8: thought to myself, this isn't this is George gastanz a territory.
[31:37] Speaker 7: It's not a lie because you actually believe it.
[31:39] Speaker 8: And I think part of it is also politicians having
[31:41] Speaker 8: to tell themselves that something didn't happen, because otherwise it's
[31:45] Speaker 8: just too enunciate him.
[31:47] Speaker 2: And and thank you, because that's what I wanted to
[31:49] Speaker 2: know about what some of the internals are, because the
[31:51] Speaker 2: thing is the external tool of this is I love
[31:53] Speaker 2: when it's a politic, when it's a prime minister, they
[31:55] Speaker 2: don't like right, And by they I mean all the
[31:57] Speaker 2: people that are screaming on the internet or the think
[31:59] Speaker 2: pieces or you know, all of the news coverage that
[32:01] Speaker 2: gets tilted. Oh, it's about personal and personally toned deaf members,
[32:05] Speaker 2: how personal things can be. If it's a liberal prime minister,
[32:08] Speaker 2: nothing's personal. When it comes to this bloke again, I
[32:12] Speaker 2: think it is a chink in the armor, not perhaps
[32:14] Speaker 2: a fatal flaw, but a chink in the armor that
[32:17] Speaker 2: he would be best to have a look at. But
[32:18] Speaker 2: again he's got very rich by ignoring my advice in
[32:22] Speaker 2: all this ross. I don't want to get you engaged
[32:25] Speaker 2: on that. In Seid, I want to talk here about
[32:27] Speaker 2: power bills and the politics of power bills. One in
[32:29] Speaker 2: six households, we learned today after a survey of three
[32:33] Speaker 2: thousand people, well guess what, they're struggling to pay their
[32:35] Speaker 2: power bills. A survey of three thousand people found seventy
[32:37] Speaker 2: two percent of households have already seen their cost climb
[32:40] Speaker 2: since the subsidies ended. You know, the ones that were
[32:42] Speaker 2: about lying about inflation and getting re elected worked for them,
[32:47] Speaker 2: But them is, of course not you, So who cares?
[32:49] Speaker 2: Were Nearly twenty percent of those people now are able
[32:52] Speaker 2: to meet the higher costs without significant strain. Okay, you
[32:55] Speaker 2: and I would both think that this would have a
[32:57] Speaker 2: political consequence, But I read almost every poll, and I
[33:00] Speaker 2: read the cross tabs, and I read the bit behind that,
[33:03] Speaker 2: and I read the bit behind the bit to be
[33:05] Speaker 2: behind that. No such penalty though the politics of power bills,
[33:11] Speaker 2: we assume it to be one thing. But is the
[33:13] Speaker 2: reality a little more shocking to us that despite the
[33:16] Speaker 2: fact that there are people that are struggling, a significant
[33:19] Speaker 2: number don't and they just don't care.
[33:24] Speaker 9: This is exactly the point that's become so hard for
[33:26] Speaker 9: so long that people are getting used to it, and
[33:28] Speaker 9: they're not getting as angry they are about the things
[33:31] Speaker 9: they should get angry. You're talking about one in six
[33:34] Speaker 9: people having trouble paying their power bills. Yes, just yesterday,
[33:37] Speaker 9: they've got a market cap which is the most anyone
[33:39] Speaker 9: can charge for their wholesale rate. That went up by
[33:42] Speaker 9: more than ten percent on that market cap. We saw
[33:45] Speaker 9: in estimates in the New South Wales Parliament. Penny Sharp
[33:47] Speaker 9: this week talking about oh, you know, wholesale price is
[33:50] Speaker 9: fifty percent, but then pushed by Wes Fang sets here
[33:53] Speaker 9: and goes, oh yes, but then the prices are going
[33:55] Speaker 9: out because a whole lot of other infrastructure that has
[33:57] Speaker 9: to go into the grids now, the power lines and
[34:01] Speaker 9: all the dissociated stuff. This is a sham. But again
[34:04] Speaker 9: you go back to what you were saying before. If
[34:06] Speaker 9: you believe it's not a lie, we've got bowing out there,
[34:08] Speaker 9: the cheapest cleanest energy there ever is. They can't back
[34:12] Speaker 9: away from that. They can't say we've made mistakes or
[34:14] Speaker 9: we're spending too much. All the evidence is in. People
[34:17] Speaker 9: are struggling. We've got real wages going down again for
[34:19] Speaker 9: the first time, you know, since we got over the
[34:21] Speaker 9: COVID spend. All this is hurting and people are suffering.
[34:25] Speaker 9: But we'll just keep damn the torpedoes keep going ahead.
[34:28] Speaker 9: Forget what's going on. It's time for truth to come through.
[34:31] Speaker 9: We've got to stop being as careful. We are paying
[34:33] Speaker 9: too much for stuff. People are feeling about the consequences.
[34:36] Speaker 9: People are suffering at home, and they're putting up with it.
[34:38] Speaker 1: They've got to get angrier, Joe.
[34:40] Speaker 2: I remember years ago when we were talking, there was
[34:42] Speaker 2: a whole bunch of poling about how much you're willing
[34:44] Speaker 2: to pay you know, this band, this band, this band,
[34:46] Speaker 2: you know, to save the planet. When it comes to
[34:47] Speaker 2: outline and there is a price point where people go no, no, no,
[34:51] Speaker 2: no no, when it could be two hundred and fifty dollars, right,
[34:54] Speaker 2: we are way past we supposedly were the red lines.
[34:59] Speaker 2: Why doesn't it matter? Why doesn't it seem to change anything?
[35:04] Speaker 2: Because to me, again, if the logic going in and
[35:07] Speaker 2: politics to this moment has been you make things more expensive,
[35:10] Speaker 2: people get the shits and when they do, they change
[35:12] Speaker 2: their votes. Why haven't they changed their vote?
[35:15] Speaker 8: I think part of it is the frog in the water,
[35:18] Speaker 8: So you don't sort of realize what's happening until it's
[35:20] Speaker 8: too late. And I think another part of it is
[35:23] Speaker 8: just the complete collapse of any alternative. I mean, the
[35:26] Speaker 8: coalition has been so woeful over the past you know,
[35:28] Speaker 8: nine months, with one exception of Ross but everybody else's
[35:35] Speaker 8: But I mean it's no secret that the coalition just
[35:39] Speaker 8: sort of hasn't been focused on holding the government to account,
[35:41] Speaker 8: instead being naval gazing and.
[35:43] Speaker 2: Terror top But in finniess, yes, yes, post the post
[35:48] Speaker 2: twenty five election, right, yeah, but they're talking about power
[35:51] Speaker 2: prices in some form or another.
[35:53] Speaker 8: Yeah, but they did all the way from Yeah, but
[35:56] Speaker 8: again the nuclear reactor stuff, and I'm not nuclear agnost
[36:00] Speaker 8: I'm not sort of any but you know, people just
[36:01] Speaker 8: didn't think it was credible and then they were spooked
[36:03] Speaker 8: by how the elected would result, so they shut up
[36:05] Speaker 8: about it in the election campaign.
[36:07] Speaker 7: So, you know, if you want to make the government.
[36:09] Speaker 8: Look irresponsible, you've got to be a tight outfit that
[36:13] Speaker 8: doesn't look.
[36:13] Speaker 1: That's a good that's a good point.
[36:15] Speaker 2: Yeah, if you're trying to go after somebody, then yeah,
[36:17] Speaker 2: you've got to you've got to make sure that there
[36:18] Speaker 2: is no there's no hole in the dead star or
[36:22] Speaker 2: in the case of the last election, just pretending the
[36:25] Speaker 2: death star was a potato. You just make it up.
[36:27] Speaker 1: Just anywhere else. Look over here, look what's under threat?
[36:32] Speaker 2: So the isis bride stuff. Well done to Sharry in particular, who,
[36:37] Speaker 2: in the last hour was quite correctly talking about how
[36:40] Speaker 2: the sausage is being made about how suddenly we're hearing
[36:43] Speaker 2: from the kids in all of this. Now again, I
[36:46] Speaker 2: don't want to hear it from the kids in all
[36:48] Speaker 2: of this, because I want to hear from the parents, right.
[36:51] Speaker 2: I want to hear from the mothers about what they believe. Right,
[36:55] Speaker 2: Because if there's an opportunity to make sure that somebody
[36:58] Speaker 2: who still has some sort of openness to the reason
[37:02] Speaker 2: they left the country in the first place, then guess what.
[37:04] Speaker 2: The door goes hard here ross The pr campaign is
[37:09] Speaker 2: very effective. It reminds me a little bit of all
[37:12] Speaker 2: of those people who definitely had to leave Nauru and
[37:15] Speaker 2: man As Island because of their life threatening conditions, all
[37:18] Speaker 2: of which went into hospital and not one of which
[37:22] Speaker 2: stayed longer than a couple of weeks. That it feels like, look,
[37:26] Speaker 2: I know, mum left the country to be with the
[37:29] Speaker 2: bloke who wanted to behead people, But the little girl
[37:31] Speaker 2: who may well have either been born in the camp
[37:33] Speaker 2: or born overseas, or the little girl who was a
[37:35] Speaker 2: baby when she left, I know she's got to come back.
[37:40] Speaker 9: It's a great pivot. You went out there and the
[37:43] Speaker 9: argument was about these brides had to come back, their
[37:44] Speaker 9: Australian's got to look after them. That started to lose
[37:47] Speaker 9: momentum and it started to have pushed back. So we've
[37:50] Speaker 9: got to pivot and show all these poor kids and
[37:52] Speaker 9: they've made how can they suffer because of this? The
[37:54] Speaker 9: answer is these people are wanting to come back because
[37:57] Speaker 9: they lost. They backed the horse and they lost. If
[38:00] Speaker 9: their bows, their husbands, their partners had won, would these
[38:04] Speaker 9: women be part of a group that was, you know,
[38:06] Speaker 9: putting other women down, keeping other children unsafe. They want
[38:09] Speaker 9: to come back here because they lost and it offers
[38:12] Speaker 9: the best chance of the way forward. They chose to
[38:14] Speaker 9: go there, they chose to have children with these people.
[38:16] Speaker 9: They can't choose not to have the consequences of that.
[38:19] Speaker 9: I'm sorry if there is any security risk, Australians here
[38:23] Speaker 9: deserve to be protected and we can't allow lots of
[38:26] Speaker 9: people with a coloring book and reading stories about Australia
[38:28] Speaker 9: to swear us from the fact it is not in
[38:30] Speaker 9: our interest if these people proposal securitists to come here.
[38:34] Speaker 9: And they are very clever, even labor with their words
[38:37] Speaker 9: on this. You know we're not providing assistance. Well, I'll
[38:40] Speaker 9: be buggered if they haven't done something behind the scenes
[38:42] Speaker 9: or organized with someone else to make stuff happen. This
[38:45] Speaker 9: is private conversation Tony Burke had without any people presence.
[38:49] Speaker 9: Something is going on here. Once again they don't want
[38:52] Speaker 9: us to know, and they're just pivoting to the next argument.
[38:54] Speaker 9: Be successful.
[38:55] Speaker 2: Again, little detail, but still worth noting here. Right, if
[38:59] Speaker 2: a journalist can make their way to the camp in Syria,
[39:02] Speaker 2: can't somebody from the Australian government make their way to
[39:05] Speaker 2: the camp in Syria?
[39:07] Speaker 7: Yes, but I don't think the government.
[39:08] Speaker 8: I think the government is trying to thread this needle
[39:11] Speaker 8: and similar to it to what Ross said, but I
[39:12] Speaker 8: think they're trying to They won't provide any assistance, so
[39:15] Speaker 8: they can say they're not providing any assistance. However, they
[39:18] Speaker 8: do not have giving them to a bloke too, that's right,
[39:20] Speaker 8: but they do, and they can just say, well, we
[39:22] Speaker 8: have no choice but to do that because of the
[39:24] Speaker 8: High Court decision. We cannot revoke their citizenship, and if
[39:27] Speaker 8: they're citizens then we cannot refuse them.
[39:29] Speaker 2: But I sure'll be sitting in the embassy in Lebanon.
[39:31] Speaker 2: So if you can get to the embassy in Lebanon,
[39:32] Speaker 2: good luck.
[39:33] Speaker 7: Yeah.
[39:33] Speaker 8: Well again, they seem to have had people operating as
[39:37] Speaker 8: proxies for the families who have been able to organize that,
[39:40] Speaker 8: and my friend Jamal Riffi seems to be one of them.
[39:43] Speaker 7: And to be honest, that surprised me.
[39:45] Speaker 8: But I have such faith in his judgment and decency
[39:49] Speaker 8: that that led me to have perhaps more sympathy for
[39:53] Speaker 8: the cause than I otherwise would have.
[39:55] Speaker 2: Again, we understand the angle by which he comes. But
[39:57] Speaker 2: again it's just this process right again, about the the
[40:00] Speaker 2: ability for oh, look I'll pick up the passports on
[40:03] Speaker 2: somebody else's behalf, rather than saying.
[40:05] Speaker 1: You know, well, okay, we can send this stuff.
[40:06] Speaker 2: There's diplomatic mail, very specific diplomatic mail that means you
[40:10] Speaker 2: can send it to this embassy in this country and
[40:12] Speaker 2: if they want to get there, and then the conversation begins.
[40:15] Speaker 2: But of course you know details, details, you know, ambitious budget.
[40:18] Speaker 1: Look over here, look.
[40:19] Speaker 2: Over here, he cuts you'll pay, We're saving money in
[40:22] Speaker 2: the budget. Sorry, which is all of this when or
[40:26] Speaker 2: a loser of the week Roscadell, who stands out for you?
[40:31] Speaker 9: I was going to be loser for Melnurkus for his
[40:33] Speaker 9: bum wiping stuff, but he's got.
[40:34] Speaker 7: The Moto GP in Adelaide, so I can't make him.
[40:37] Speaker 2: We're going to go out there.
[40:38] Speaker 9: Christy McBain today announced her national messaging service only one
[40:43] Speaker 9: thousand percent above budget two years late, and couldn't get
[40:46] Speaker 9: the app to play the noise for twenty seconds and
[40:48] Speaker 9: said it doesn't work.
[40:50] Speaker 1: By the way.
[40:50] Speaker 2: In Adelaide this weekend festival of Motorsport, which is sort
[40:52] Speaker 2: of their version of what happens in the UK. Lots
[40:54] Speaker 2: of classy, good old fashioned cars.
[40:56] Speaker 7: No rander abdol Fatara either. I'd invite it to that festival,
[41:00] Speaker 7: So enjoy enjoy that.
[41:02] Speaker 1: Joe, you.
[41:04] Speaker 7: Look, I'm going to go for winner.
[41:05] Speaker 8: I'm going to go Julian Hill, the left wing MP
[41:09] Speaker 8: who realized it actually labor looking like it hates Australia
[41:13] Speaker 8: Day and a post probably not the best self for
[41:17] Speaker 8: mainstream voters.
[41:18] Speaker 7: Welcome aboard, Julian. I've only been saying the exact same
[41:21] Speaker 7: thing for a decade. Now, but it's great to have you,
[41:24] Speaker 7: my friend and loser. I'm going to go, Pauline.
[41:27] Speaker 8: I think the Muslim boat staff obviously backfired, even her
[41:31] Speaker 8: own senators and Barnaby ran a mile from it. And
[41:34] Speaker 8: now she's just dropped a handful of points in the
[41:37] Speaker 8: latest poll, and Angus and the Coalition have picked up again,
[41:42] Speaker 8: so I think she might have hit.
[41:44] Speaker 7: I'll have it on the other then.
[41:45] Speaker 2: I'll have a sidebit with you about whether it's another
[41:47] Speaker 2: four points, and the next pole of whether the droppers
[41:50] Speaker 2: already happened for and that's the way it goes, all right,
[41:52] Speaker 2: Thank you guys, do appreciate it. We'll talk again very
[41:54] Speaker 2: soon and make Colin Flinn will join us for a
[41:56] Speaker 2: nice way to end our weekly always ended with a smile,
[41:58] Speaker 2: and just hearing his voice puts a smile on this start.
[42:02] Speaker 2: I wanna seke you on, Paul Maury lad thanks for watching,
[42:09] Speaker 2: Thank you so much for watching. Always love ending. I
[42:11] Speaker 2: wake this way with a wonderful Colin Flynn who joins
[42:13] Speaker 2: us from the other side of the world. With stories
[42:16] Speaker 2: that will warm your heart. This is a fascinating one
[42:19] Speaker 2: column because it tells us about a story of forgive
[42:22] Speaker 2: us some gratitude. That is pretty amazing. Tell me the
[42:25] Speaker 2: story of Anthony Ray Hinton. I wanted to make sure
[42:28] Speaker 2: his name was correct.
[42:29] Speaker 10: That's correct, and Paul, I'm about to do that. Before
[42:32] Speaker 10: I do that, I owe you an apology because you'll
[42:36] Speaker 10: remember when we first started talking from the Vatican. One
[42:38] Speaker 10: night I was on with you and your crew put
[42:40] Speaker 10: a cheap microphone on me, remember that, and the thing
[42:42] Speaker 10: fell off and I looked at one guy was on
[42:44] Speaker 10: his phone, the other guy was, Oh, I said this,
[42:47] Speaker 10: Paul Murrayshaw, this is a bit of a joke. Shop. Recently,
[42:50] Speaker 10: I'm in Milan at the Olympics and I look around.
[42:52] Speaker 10: I see your colleagues from Channel nine. There's their drinking
[42:55] Speaker 10: wine holding the camera, the reporter on aerslash and I said,
[42:58] Speaker 10: you know what, Paul, ry show looks pretty professional after all,
[43:02] Speaker 10: So I will say I got it wrong. So it's
[43:04] Speaker 10: say I would take back, and I bothered.
[43:08] Speaker 1: On the camera behind a little wonky at times, a.
[43:11] Speaker 2: Little wonky exactly.
[43:12] Speaker 1: I've said I'm working for the wrong network. They're having
[43:14] Speaker 1: all the fun over there.
[43:15] Speaker 10: But anyway, gearshift, Yes, this is an incredible story. You
[43:18] Speaker 10: mentioned his name, Anthony Ray Hinton. It's a tragic story,
[43:22] Speaker 10: but with one of these beautiful endings, because this is
[43:24] Speaker 10: a man that I had the pleasure of interviewing a
[43:27] Speaker 10: few years ago in Birmingham, Alabama. He was twenty nine
[43:31] Speaker 10: in nineteen eighty five when one day he was out
[43:34] Speaker 10: cutting the grass at his mother's place. Two police officers
[43:37] Speaker 10: pulled up and they were accusing him of murder. Now, remember, Paul,
[43:41] Speaker 10: this had been a few decades since Rosa Parks in
[43:43] Speaker 10: the Civil rights movement, but still this was Alabama, nineteen
[43:47] Speaker 10: eighty five.
[43:48] Speaker 2: So he went to court.
[43:49] Speaker 10: The whole thing, he maintained he was innocent, but it
[43:51] Speaker 10: all went down to one piece of evidence. The prosecutor
[43:54] Speaker 10: said they had found bullets at the scene of the
[43:56] Speaker 10: murders which matched bullets in his gun in his mind's house.
[44:01] Speaker 10: Because he was poor, he was given a state attorney
[44:04] Speaker 10: who said to him, first, well, look the problem is,
[44:06] Speaker 10: you guys are always saying you're innocent. Let's just plead
[44:08] Speaker 10: guilty and get this over with. He then got his
[44:10] Speaker 10: own ballistics expert, who was blind in one eye, had
[44:14] Speaker 10: no experience, he couldn't even use the microscope. Long story short,
[44:18] Speaker 10: he was found guilty sentenced to death Paul. He was
[44:21] Speaker 10: spent thirty years on death row in Birmingham, Alabama. But
[44:24] Speaker 10: what kept him going was every other day he would
[44:27] Speaker 10: get a call from his mother. And he didn't have
[44:29] Speaker 10: the heart to tell his mother when she would say,
[44:31] Speaker 10: why are you coming out? I'm waiting for you at home.
[44:33] Speaker 10: He didn't have the heart to say to her, Mam,
[44:35] Speaker 10: there is no appeal.
[44:36] Speaker 7: This is it.
[44:36] Speaker 10: I'm in here. So I asked him in the interview
[44:38] Speaker 10: what it was like being there in prison.
[44:42] Speaker 6: It was.
[44:45] Speaker 11: Living in his owner. I was thirty feet away from
[44:48] Speaker 11: the death chain.
[44:49] Speaker 10: I remember reading you said the lights would flicker.
[44:52] Speaker 11: Yes, that's when they throw on the generator in a
[44:57] Speaker 11: poolish swisch to the chair.
[45:00] Speaker 10: But what really devastated Anthony was getting the news in
[45:03] Speaker 10: prison that his mother had passed away.
[45:09] Speaker 11: The day that I learned that my mom had pased.
[45:14] Speaker 9: Ill.
[45:15] Speaker 11: To be honest with you, I didn't care well.
[45:18] Speaker 10: I lible that progerick and so sad. But what is
[45:22] Speaker 10: remarkable about this story. After spending three decades behind bars
[45:26] Speaker 10: waiting for the electric chair, in twenty fourteen, a group
[45:29] Speaker 10: called the Equal Justice Initiative, this non for profit, they
[45:33] Speaker 10: heard about his story they took on the case. They
[45:35] Speaker 10: brought it all the way Paul to the Supreme Court.
[45:37] Speaker 10: They ruled that the evidence had to be re examined,
[45:41] Speaker 10: and when they did, they said, actually the bullet never
[45:44] Speaker 10: matched the gun found in his mother's house, and he
[45:46] Speaker 10: was released from prison. So you would think someone like that,
[45:49] Speaker 10: of course Paul would be bitter, would be angry, But no,
[45:53] Speaker 10: he lives in gratitude for every day. And I asked
[45:56] Speaker 10: him in the interview about what it was like the
[45:58] Speaker 10: moment he stepped out. Three decades have been in a
[46:01] Speaker 10: cell and he was now once again a free man.
[46:05] Speaker 11: The sun was shining brighter than it ever I had shanning,
[46:09] Speaker 11: and I looked up at it and it seemed like
[46:13] Speaker 11: you were just shining on me, I like a spot.
[46:16] Speaker 11: Like it was as though I was walking on cloud.
[46:20] Speaker 11: You have to believe in God. You have to believe
[46:22] Speaker 11: that He will make a way for you. Every day
[46:24] Speaker 11: I get up with a smile because I'm free, and
[46:28] Speaker 11: I often look up and I thank God for waking
[46:31] Speaker 11: me up, and I thank God for freeing me from
[46:33] Speaker 11: that thirty years up pure hair that I was in.
[46:36] Speaker 10: You can thank God strong faith.
[46:39] Speaker 11: I truly believe it.
[46:40] Speaker 2: That is extraordinary. Also, is it true that the state
[46:47] Speaker 2: has not made any sort of a post deal or
[46:51] Speaker 2: compensation for getting it that wrong and putting him through
[46:55] Speaker 2: that torture for that long.
[46:58] Speaker 10: No, he had never received any compensation because you know, Paul,
[47:01] Speaker 10: They say, well, it was a jury, a jury decided
[47:03] Speaker 10: his case. It was fair and square. But again, at
[47:05] Speaker 10: the time, all white jury, white police officer's, white judge,
[47:08] Speaker 10: white prosecutor. You know, now we know that things are
[47:12] Speaker 10: completely different. But what he does do now, and he
[47:14] Speaker 10: makes some money from it, is that he travels around schools,
[47:17] Speaker 10: universities giving talks. But he doesn't have a message of
[47:20] Speaker 10: hatred or bitterness. That's the most beautiful thing about the story.
[47:23] Speaker 10: In fact, when I asked him that, how are you
[47:25] Speaker 10: not bitter? He said, bitterness kills the soul. If I'm
[47:28] Speaker 10: waking up in the morning, looking in the mirror and
[47:30] Speaker 10: angry at someone and bitter about it, they don't feel anything.
[47:33] Speaker 10: It's only affecting me. It's like what Saint Aquinas said,
[47:36] Speaker 10: if I can evoke some Christian theology here, he said,
[47:40] Speaker 10: being bitter and angry with someone and resentful is like
[47:43] Speaker 10: drinking poison, but expecting the other person to die. It
[47:46] Speaker 10: doesn't work that way. So remarkably, somewhere deep within him
[47:49] Speaker 10: he found this courage and the strength even though like
[47:52] Speaker 10: three decades the formative years of his life, when he
[47:54] Speaker 10: could have met a woman, had a family, had a job,
[47:57] Speaker 10: that was all taken from him. But he's doing well
[48:00] Speaker 10: now today and he just wants to share this message
[48:02] Speaker 10: of hope and his belief in God with people all
[48:05] Speaker 10: over the world.
[48:06] Speaker 2: Good stuff. Thank you so much, Colin. We do appreciate it.
[48:08] Speaker 2: Have a lovely weekend and we look forward to seeing
[48:10] Speaker 2: you again next week. What a lovely man. All right,
[48:12] Speaker 2: quick break back with more here on Paul Murray Live
[48:14] Speaker 2: Late Debate about six minutes away. May I use the
[48:22] Speaker 2: privilege of having a national television show to say a
[48:25] Speaker 2: shout out to my uncle Phil, who is going to
[48:27] Speaker 2: be taking part in the Great Ocean Pool Crawl not
[48:31] Speaker 2: too far from Woollongong. It starts Colcliffe Sunday morning. They
[48:35] Speaker 2: go through five different pools. They are raising money for
[48:38] Speaker 2: the Cancer Council. So the Great Ocean Pool Crawl. All
[48:42] Speaker 2: the best to Phil and everyone else who is part
[48:45] Speaker 2: of it. We're very proud of you. I'll make sure
[48:47] Speaker 2: I put his little message up on our Facebook page.
[48:49] Speaker 2: If you want to go and back in my uncle
[48:51] Speaker 2: with his little red speedos on as he jumps in
[48:54] Speaker 2: and out of the ocean, you can do so. Also,
[48:56] Speaker 2: congratulations to Inexcess. They have made the shortlist of potential
[49:00] Speaker 2: bands going into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.
[49:03] Speaker 2: They could be in the same class as Pink Oasis,
[49:06] Speaker 2: Phil Collins, Jeff Buckley. Imagine that the Aussie band making
[49:10] Speaker 2: it all the way, not just around the world, not
[49:11] Speaker 2: just Wembley, but also into the Rock and Roll Hall
[49:13] Speaker 2: of Fame. Fingers crossed they get the vote. Have a
[49:15] Speaker 2: great weekend wherever you happen to be. Go Tigers, Go Yankees.
[49:19] Speaker 2: See a Sunday

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