# Paul Murray Live | 13 September

An episode of [Paul Murray Live](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/376966263), 13 Sep 2026, 49 min.

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Aussie voters losing trust in Anthony Albanese, Digital Duty of Care bill marks political battle lines. Plus, veterans furious at the government's proposed healthcare changes. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:02] Speaker 1: This is Paul Murray Live. Hello, Moat. Hey, for you.
[0:07] Speaker 1: You've had a wonderful weekend. I certainly have. Lots of
[0:09] Speaker 1: time with the family. And is there anything better than that?
[0:12] Speaker 1: There's so much to get to tonight here in the
[0:13] Speaker 1: Man Cave. Thank you very much for being here. Start
[0:15] Speaker 1: of a big and busy week with Parliament again on
[0:17] Speaker 1: and plenty to talk about. Now, forgive me if I
[0:19] Speaker 1: do not clutch my pearls about the Prime Minister, because,
[0:22] Speaker 1: of course, the Prime Minister is a special Australian, a
[0:25] Speaker 1: person who's kind of above all of us, somewhere between
[0:28] Speaker 1: us and sainthood, right?
[0:31] Speaker 2: My word is my bond.
[0:34] Speaker 1: Except for when it wasn't. Can you rule out any
[0:39] Speaker 1: changes to negative gearing and capital gains tax?
[0:42] Speaker 3: Yes.
[0:42] Speaker 1: How hard is it for the 50th time? And then
[0:47] Speaker 1: they did it anyway. But we've all moved on, right?
[0:49] Speaker 1: Who cares about what happens in May? Like, the stuff
[0:52] Speaker 1: that's good for your side of politics, everyone remembers forever.
[0:55] Speaker 1: And all the bad stuff, they just forget about quickly, right?
[0:59] Speaker 1: Or wrong. Why? Because people kind of remain focused on
[1:06] Speaker 1: who let them down. Now, regardless of whether you like
[1:10] Speaker 1: or dislike the ultimate decisions when it came to the budget,
[1:13] Speaker 1: most of this stuff is supposed to be venerated through election.
[1:17] Speaker 1: Why am I still talking about it in September? Because
[1:19] Speaker 1: brand-new opinion poll has just dropped via the nine newspapers. 23%
[1:25] Speaker 1: of Australians have lost trust in Albanese since the broken promise.
[1:29] Speaker 1: That's the black... The red is I did not trust
[1:33] Speaker 1: Albanese before the broken promise. 26%, that's the purple, say,
[1:39] Speaker 1: I still trust Albanese despite the broken promise. 23% of
[1:43] Speaker 1: all Australians have changed their view. One quarter of the electorate.
[1:48] Speaker 1: How does that work when you have a look at
[1:49] Speaker 1: all the parties and everyone everywhere? Now, we would expect
[1:54] Speaker 1: that 31% of One Nation voters, 22% of Coalition voters,
[1:58] Speaker 1: I'm just focusing on all the black... Indicators here, because
[2:02] Speaker 1: that's what that represents in the graph, that I have
[2:04] Speaker 1: lost trust and support in Albanese. Since the broken promise, 27%
[2:09] Speaker 1: of Green voters, 16% are Labor voters. Now, why is
[2:14] Speaker 1: this interesting? Why does this matter? Because remember, the whole
[2:18] Speaker 1: battle between one nation being the protest party, the opposition,
[2:24] Speaker 1: or maybe something else, or... One Nation being the protest party,
[2:30] Speaker 1: the Liberal Party being able to grow a little bit
[2:32] Speaker 1: further and somehow to collectively be able to beat the
[2:36] Speaker 1: Labor Party. Well, all of it is predicated on two things.
[2:41] Speaker 1: The right side of vote has to grow by at
[2:44] Speaker 1: least about 5%. Remember, last election, 55-45. Labor's has to
[2:46] Speaker 1: fall 5%. So there has to be about 10 points
[2:48] Speaker 1: of movement there. 16% of Labor voters say they don't
[3:00] Speaker 1: trust the Prime Minister.
[3:01] Speaker 4: Why?
[3:01] Speaker 1: Because of this broken promise. Now, some will automatically say, well, yeah, well,
[3:05] Speaker 1: that's the boomers, the investor class. Well, they're allowed to
[3:10] Speaker 1: remain peed off, and according to this poll, they are.
[3:13] Speaker 1: They have changed their mind. They have broken what is
[3:17] Speaker 1: supposedly the most fundamental thing that a politician likes to
[3:20] Speaker 1: put in place, and that is trust. Also, inside this poll,
[3:24] Speaker 1: the headlines, by the way, they're all pretty much the same.
[3:26] Speaker 1: Labor just in front of One Nation, in front some
[3:29] Speaker 1: distance from the coalition. So I'm not going to show
[3:31] Speaker 1: you all the primaries, right? But it's a question about debt. Australia,
[3:36] Speaker 1: of course, is already in $ 1T4 trillion debt. $ 1T4 trillion debt.
[3:43] Speaker 1: So how would you deal with that $ 1T4 trillion debt?
[3:48] Speaker 1: According to this, again, resolve poll, red means cut spending.
[3:53] Speaker 1: Dark teal? Aqua? It means raise taxes and 42% of
[4:00] Speaker 1: people say, oh, come on, can't we kind of do both?
[4:02] Speaker 1: Cut a little bit of spending, increase a little bit
[4:04] Speaker 1: of taxes? Not on me. How does that play out
[4:08] Speaker 1: in terms of, again, party identification? Unsurprisingly, Labor voters, they
[4:14] Speaker 1: sit in the, oh, a little bit for everyone, thanks.
[4:18] Speaker 1: The coalition voters, that's the red there that you can see,
[4:21] Speaker 1: third disc along, they say 51% cut spending. Green voters,
[4:25] Speaker 1: they say, let's have Goldilocks, 40%. And 61% of One
[4:30] Speaker 1: Nation voters say cut the spending. Right? These are all
[4:35] Speaker 1: the polls that are just dropping this evening. Fascinating to know.
[4:39] Speaker 1: The polls, they are coming thick and fast. The polls
[4:42] Speaker 1: was last week, which means you get a week off
[4:43] Speaker 1: from it. Before we're back into it next week here
[4:46] Speaker 1: at News 24, a news poll again at the end
[4:48] Speaker 1: of the month, Redbridge as well. So, interestingly, headline numbers
[4:52] Speaker 1: either Labor is sort of beginning to bottom out, but
[4:55] Speaker 1: once you start to dig in, the trust factor. So, yes,
[5:00] Speaker 1: there's a lot of people with a lot of opinions
[5:01] Speaker 1: about the Prime Minister's feelings tonight. Well, what about the
[5:05] Speaker 1: people who remain hurt from his failure to keep his
[5:09] Speaker 1: promise from May of last year? that, of course, was
[5:13] Speaker 1: turned into the budget that turned the lies into law.
[5:17] Speaker 1: And unsurprisingly, when the value of your house starts going down,
[5:20] Speaker 1: people will notice, regardless of whom they voted for at
[5:23] Speaker 1: the last election. But, you know, nothing to see here.
[5:26] Speaker 1: There was a podcast in February.
[5:29] Speaker 5: Please.
[5:31] Speaker 1: As for our old mate, Annika Wells. Now, of course,
[5:33] Speaker 1: Annika Wells will one day be the Prime Minister of Australia. Why?
[5:36] Speaker 1: Because to predict anything else will only lead to disappointment.
[5:39] Speaker 1: People like her, they only fail up, right? She's not
[5:42] Speaker 1: the first mediocre person to fail their way to leadership. Oh,
[5:45] Speaker 1: but she'll get there. And, of course, she's the communications minister,
[5:48] Speaker 1: the sports minister and the minister for freebies. This is
[5:52] Speaker 1: from her own Instagram feed. This is not some sort
[5:54] Speaker 1: of cheeky little side photo. This hasn't been papped. She
[5:58] Speaker 1: posted it of her celebrating because Brisbane won and I'm Queensland.
[6:05] Speaker 6: Okay.
[6:08] Speaker 7: Well.
[6:08] Speaker 1: As you know, she is currently involved in yet another
[6:11] Speaker 1: attempt to do something about the evils of the internet. Now,
[6:15] Speaker 1: as you know, I don't really have a problem with
[6:18] Speaker 1: the overall idea of these social media laws if it
[6:22] Speaker 1: is simply to create a scenario where if you want
[6:25] Speaker 1: to press a button and the only stuff you can
[6:27] Speaker 1: see on your social media feed are the people you
[6:29] Speaker 1: follow or you don't press the button and it looks
[6:32] Speaker 1: exactly the way it currently does, which is the algorithm... Fine, cool.
[6:37] Speaker 1: It's a selection. Now, you should know that on some
[6:40] Speaker 1: of these social media platforms, you can kind of already
[6:42] Speaker 1: do that, but you've got to go right into the
[6:44] Speaker 1: back and know how they all work. So I don't
[6:46] Speaker 1: really have a major problem with that. But I do
[6:49] Speaker 1: have a problem with the government who tried to make
[6:52] Speaker 1: it harder for people to know information about the government.
[6:55] Speaker 1: That never got through the parliament. Or the people who
[6:58] Speaker 1: wanted to introduce misinformation laws also just suddenly finding this
[7:02] Speaker 1: as the ultimate way of taking on the evils of
[7:05] Speaker 1: the internet. Again, here is their advocacy for it. It's
[7:09] Speaker 1: not about censorship. It's about giving people control. This is
[7:13] Speaker 1: not about giving government control.
[7:16] Speaker 5: That does sound like censorship, doesn't it?
[7:18] Speaker 2: Well, I don't understand how that.
[7:19] Speaker 1: Would be the case. Because potentially you're going to cut
[7:23] Speaker 1: people off from being able to see something other than
[7:25] Speaker 1: what has either been government approved or is already being followed. Now,
[7:29] Speaker 1: one group of people that I'm genuinely surprised you have
[7:32] Speaker 1: not heard more from is anyone who is a digital creator, left,
[7:35] Speaker 1: right or centre, politics, sport, fashion, whatever the heck it is,
[7:40] Speaker 1: because the only way they're able to grow their following
[7:42] Speaker 1: is to be seen outside of the people who've already
[7:44] Speaker 1: liked or already subscribed. That's what the algorithm is for. But, yes,
[7:49] Speaker 1: does the algorithm also start to say, oh, you're a boy,
[7:53] Speaker 1: are you? Well, then there's a whole bunch of other
[7:55] Speaker 1: stuff that you won't want to admit to anyone but
[7:57] Speaker 1: will start to show you, right? And the younger you are,
[8:02] Speaker 1: the tougher that stuff can get. So I'm aware of
[8:04] Speaker 1: the need to create a level of control. But this
[8:07] Speaker 1: government's been turning around and telling us the reason they
[8:09] Speaker 1: have to do it is to protect our kids, protect
[8:11] Speaker 1: our kids. But hang on, haven't they already banned the
[8:13] Speaker 1: kids from being able to get access to the social
[8:16] Speaker 1: media platform? Quick, look over here, look over here. So
[8:20] Speaker 1: is there a chance that all of this, and again,
[8:21] Speaker 1: I've been trying, trying as the hardest marker of their
[8:25] Speaker 1: homework to give them a level of benefit of the
[8:27] Speaker 1: doubt here, to go, okay, sometimes are there just kicks
[8:30] Speaker 1: from right in front, and I shouldn't worry about who
[8:33] Speaker 1: it is, even if it's a person like Annika Wells,
[8:35] Speaker 1: who I'm not a massive fan of, right? Is there
[8:37] Speaker 1: just something so obvious that needs to be dealt with here?
[8:41] Speaker 1: So again, not getting all behind it, but just giving
[8:43] Speaker 1: it a bit of the benefit of the doubt, right? Well,
[8:47] Speaker 1: considered the benefit of the doubt to start to fall away.
[8:52] Speaker 1: Not because I didn't see what they said last week.
[8:55] Speaker 1: Not because I haven't known what they've done in the past.
[8:58] Speaker 1: but because Annika Wells appeared on the ultimate home game
[9:00] Speaker 1: that was the ABC today. Now, you would have thought
[9:04] Speaker 1: that she would have absolutely slam-dunked this one because this isn't,
[9:07] Speaker 1: you know, Evil News 24 with that horrible lady, Laura.
[9:12] Speaker 1: Asked her a whole bunch of questions like, does this
[9:14] Speaker 1: stuff affect news? I don't know, maybe. Instead, she was
[9:20] Speaker 1: asked this question a few times....
[9:25] Speaker 4: Look, you've also been raising concerns lately about misinformation and
[9:28] Speaker 4: disinformation online that is making the job of government more difficult.
[9:32] Speaker 4: Does this bill have anything to do with those concerns?
[9:36] Speaker 4: But can you see why some people are concerned that
[9:38] Speaker 4: this is what you're trying to do? The government in
[9:40] Speaker 4: its last term tried to tackle mis- and disinformation and
[9:45] Speaker 4: then abandoned the bill. And now you're still talking about
[9:48] Speaker 4: your concerns around mis- and disinformation. Can you see why
[9:51] Speaker 4: some might fear that that's what you're trying to do
[9:53] Speaker 4: through this bill? So, just to be clear, you won't
[9:55] Speaker 4: return to.
[9:56] Speaker 1: That's right.
[9:57] Speaker 4: to mis- and disinformation? You won't return to trying to...
[10:00] Speaker 4: stop mis- and disinformation online? Will you return, though, to
[10:02] Speaker 4: trying to tackle that separate issue of mis- and disinformation?
[10:05] Speaker 4: You might come back to mis- and disinformation in the future?
[10:09] Speaker 1: So, we all know Spears here, right? We all know
[10:12] Speaker 1: David Spears. We all know that if the question gets
[10:15] Speaker 1: asked again and again and again and again and again,
[10:17] Speaker 1: it's because you haven't answered it. Proof?
[10:21] Speaker 5: No, I think we can walk and chew gum at
[10:22] Speaker 5: the same time.
[10:23] Speaker 1: Here, David.
[10:23] Speaker 5: The heart of the digital duty of care is putting
[10:26] Speaker 5: the onus on big tech platforms to take responsibility for
[10:29] Speaker 5: the harm they are doing. I view that policy question
[10:32] Speaker 5: that is before all of us as something entirely separate
[10:35] Speaker 5: to the digital duty of care. At the moment, I
[10:38] Speaker 5: am highly focused on introducing the digital duty of care
[10:41] Speaker 5: to the parliament. It's not part of the agenda that
[10:44] Speaker 5: I need to deliver this term.
[10:47] Speaker 1: Simple no. David, I understand what your question is. Can
[10:50] Speaker 1: I be very clear to any and everyone who's watching
[10:52] Speaker 1: here that all this is is trying to make sure
[10:55] Speaker 1: that if you want a version of the internet where
[10:56] Speaker 1: the only stuff you see is the stuff you follow,
[10:58] Speaker 1: we're going to try to make that come about? Instead,
[11:02] Speaker 1: that's not how they're selling it. They're selling it to
[11:05] Speaker 1: the people like it's about misinformation, disinformation, stopping evil comments,
[11:12] Speaker 1: And that's not the simplicity of, rather than everything being
[11:16] Speaker 1: on the internet at once, only the stuff you follow
[11:18] Speaker 1: is what will be presented to you. They can't make
[11:22] Speaker 1: that point. Now, I think that strategically, the opposition is
[11:26] Speaker 1: in the wrong place with how hard they have gone
[11:29] Speaker 1: with their no early. Why? Because again, despite my heavy
[11:34] Speaker 1: scepticism of this mob, despite my Very deep suspicion in
[11:39] Speaker 1: and around just how slippery a fish the communications minister
[11:43] Speaker 1: can and often is being. Is this one of those
[11:47] Speaker 1: things that the kick is right in front and you
[11:51] Speaker 1: don't want to be the person who unnecessarily made it
[11:54] Speaker 1: too hard to take the obvious kick in front? Here
[11:58] Speaker 1: was Angus Taylor with the beginning of his no last week.
[12:02] Speaker 1: To hand a blank cheque to the government, to this minister...
[12:06] Speaker 1: on political censorship is absolutely unacceptable, and we cannot support
[12:11] Speaker 1: it in that form. Now, I've heard the point about censorship.
[12:15] Speaker 1: I fear the same thing about censorship. But what is
[12:19] Speaker 1: the example of it? With misinformation, it was clear what
[12:23] Speaker 1: it would be, that essentially the government would go and
[12:26] Speaker 1: farm out to a third-party group to decide whether a
[12:30] Speaker 1: post on social media was information, i.e. government-approved, misinformation or disinformation,
[12:38] Speaker 1: stuff the government didn't approve of. That was all very
[12:41] Speaker 1: clear what that was. So that was censorship front up
[12:44] Speaker 1: and centre. The government... is of course pretending there's nothing
[12:48] Speaker 1: to see here. The opposition to some degree has turned
[12:51] Speaker 1: around and said, well, you know what sort of snuck
[12:53] Speaker 1: up the back of this bill? It's too much power
[12:56] Speaker 1: for the minister. But they hadn't really explained that, which
[12:59] Speaker 1: meant in terms of normal people paying half attention, they
[13:04] Speaker 1: saw this from the minister for freebies.
[13:07] Speaker 5: And the coalition haven't just said no, they have voted no.
[13:11] Speaker 8: They voted against the bill to improve.
[13:13] Speaker 5: Australia's social media minimum age laws just hours ago. The
[13:17] Speaker 5: opposition had the opportunity to improve our social media minimum
[13:21] Speaker 5: age laws. The opposition have chosen instead to fling their
[13:25] Speaker 5: arms around One Nation and the platforms.
[13:28] Speaker 9: They should be ashamed of themselves.
[13:31] Speaker 1: Snappy snappy snappy oh she's gonna be such a great
[13:35] Speaker 1: prime minister like i reckon there's a chance we're gonna
[13:37] Speaker 1: rename a day of the week right it'll just be
[13:40] Speaker 1: wells day that's how amazing she's gonna be when she's
[13:44] Speaker 1: the prime minister like eventually jim can be first for
[13:47] Speaker 1: 10 years then i don't know somebody else maybe 20
[13:50] Speaker 1: she'll be prime minister oh it'll be incredible just incredible
[13:55] Speaker 1: But the government, the opposition had already said no, meaning
[13:58] Speaker 1: who knows what the Greens want, right? The Greens essentially
[14:00] Speaker 1: will want literally sign-off on every single account. You're talking
[14:04] Speaker 1: about censorship. Imagine Sarah Hansen-Young getting involved. What do they
[14:08] Speaker 1: think of me?
[14:09] Speaker 4: Tick.
[14:10] Speaker 1: What do they think of me? Cross. What do they
[14:12] Speaker 1: think of me? Let alone Charlotte Walker. So there is
[14:17] Speaker 1: an attempt being made by the government to engage with
[14:20] Speaker 1: this idea about ministerial power. Now, should the minister be
[14:25] Speaker 1: able to specifically nuke things on the internet? I would
[14:28] Speaker 1: say no, simply because if Alika Wells is the politician
[14:33] Speaker 1: you like, which means you're probably not watching this show,
[14:36] Speaker 1: or is the politician you don't like, at some point
[14:39] Speaker 1: the exact opposite will be the person who sits as
[14:41] Speaker 1: the communications minister. Do you want to hand that potential
[14:46] Speaker 1: power to the person who is the exact opposite of
[14:49] Speaker 1: what you currently believe in Australian politics? No. Should there
[14:54] Speaker 1: be a committee? Should there be an organisation? Well, then
[14:56] Speaker 1: it's a conversation. But one person with the power to
[14:58] Speaker 1: nuke stuff on the internet who, of course, is simultaneously
[15:02] Speaker 1: involved in spreading garbage via crap social media videos while
[15:06] Speaker 1: trying to play whack-a-mole as misinformation with anything that they
[15:10] Speaker 1: disagree with. But Libs have already said no to all
[15:13] Speaker 1: of this. The strategic error, in my view, is they
[15:17] Speaker 1: should have just let it through in the House and
[15:19] Speaker 1: deal with it in the Senate because the Senate, of course,
[15:21] Speaker 1: is incredibly powerful. I'll get to that in a second
[15:23] Speaker 1: when it comes to veterans. But clearly there's a deal
[15:26] Speaker 1: to be done with someone, hopefully not the Greens. But
[15:30] Speaker 1: if this is the central problem of the bill, then
[15:33] Speaker 1: the Coalition should do everything they can to kill this
[15:35] Speaker 1: part of the bill, this part of the bill. before
[15:38] Speaker 1: we can get into everything else and explain. Show to us,
[15:41] Speaker 1: page 7.4. That's my biggest concern with this bill. Okay?
[15:46] Speaker 1: We can handle the detail. So the Minister for Freebies,
[15:50] Speaker 1: the woman who's had so many free tickets, she's got
[15:51] Speaker 1: tickets on herself, the greatest future Prime Minister of all time,
[15:54] Speaker 1: is now starting to suggest that there's room for negotiation here.
[15:59] Speaker 4: This ministerial power, would you be willing to make a
[16:03] Speaker 4: concession here and say Parliament will decide on any new
[16:07] Speaker 4: areas of harm rather than the Minister alone?
[16:12] Speaker 5: I'd be pleased to consider any constructive ways we can
[16:14] Speaker 5: meet the intent around dealing with urgency around new and
[16:18] Speaker 5: emerging serious harms.
[16:19] Speaker 1: And would that be a constructive way? And I welcome.
[16:20] Speaker 4: Would that be a change you're willing to make?
[16:24] Speaker 1: Yes. Do you like how the set-up behind is meant
[16:26] Speaker 1: to look like a doctor's office place? Minister for Communications.
[16:30] Speaker 1: Very interesting. She's also the Minister for Sport. And, of course,
[16:35] Speaker 1: she's never done anything wrong. I mean, certainly there was
[16:38] Speaker 1: an awful lot of travel, including an awful lot of
[16:39] Speaker 1: travel to New York, including an awful lot of travel because,
[16:43] Speaker 1: I'm Brisbane, I'm Brisbane, I'm Queensland, I'm Queensland.
[16:46] Speaker 2: Yay, I'm more Queensland than your Queensland.
[16:49] Speaker 1: Not performative at all, at all. Oh, she's passionate about sport,
[16:52] Speaker 1: just loves it. And remember she said this about travel roads.
[16:59] Speaker 1: I've abided by the rules the whole time I've been here.
[17:00] Speaker 10: I've followed the rules.
[17:01] Speaker 2: I've abided by the rules the whole time I've been here.
[17:03] Speaker 1: Follow the rules is to follow the rules.
[17:04] Speaker 11: Always continue to follow the rules. I have followed the rules.
[17:06] Speaker 5: Followed the guidelines so far.
[17:08] Speaker 1: By the way, just I can imagine the sexist things
[17:11] Speaker 1: that man said on television, doing funny voices. Have you
[17:14] Speaker 1: watched the show before? I've done them about plenty of people.
[17:18] Speaker 1: We're near blokes we've ripped into as well. So nice try.
[17:21] Speaker 1: I'm just pre-butting the inevitable outrage. It's just one of
[17:25] Speaker 1: those politicians who is, you know, she's just got a
[17:28] Speaker 1: bright future in front of her. And I just want
[17:30] Speaker 1: to cheer her on. Well, one of the great things
[17:34] Speaker 1: that Australia has had to do without for too long
[17:37] Speaker 1: is the sports minister being able to go to sport. Because,
[17:40] Speaker 1: of course, despite the fact that she could go to
[17:42] Speaker 1: that sport in Brisbane, because, you know, Queensland... No, she
[17:45] Speaker 1: likes to travel to the sport, especially when it's outside Queensland,
[17:49] Speaker 1: because I'm the minister for everything, which means you have
[17:52] Speaker 1: to pay for it. And I'm very pleased to say
[17:54] Speaker 1: that she will be using that power to be able
[17:57] Speaker 1: to go and sit in the grand final. I mean,
[17:59] Speaker 1: good on... Good on her! Now, fingers crossed whether Brisbane
[18:03] Speaker 1: gets there or not, but, you know... And a reminder...
[18:07] Speaker 1: This was not paparazzi. This was the photo she posted
[18:12] Speaker 1: on her social media, the very social media, that if
[18:15] Speaker 1: she has her way, you would be able to never
[18:17] Speaker 1: see a photo like that because you're not following her,
[18:20] Speaker 1: along with most of the rest of Australia. Or will
[18:23] Speaker 1: there be an exemption for politicians? Another detail I'd like
[18:26] Speaker 1: to focus on. As you know, we have been laser
[18:31] Speaker 1: focused in the conversation around the scrapping of the cap.
[18:34] Speaker 1: $ 5, 000 for allied health. This ridiculous line in the sand
[18:38] Speaker 1: that was invented in the same budget that was so
[18:40] Speaker 1: full of lies.
[18:41] Speaker 5: Why?
[18:42] Speaker 1: Because every department has to save money somewhere. Oh, so
[18:46] Speaker 1: apparently the Department of Veterans Affairs is the one that
[18:49] Speaker 1: has the line in the sand that only $ 5, 000 per soldier,
[18:52] Speaker 1: about 25,000 former members of the ADF, who might need
[18:57] Speaker 1: allied health. And allied health can be basically everything bar
[19:00] Speaker 1: the life and death. We've spoken, you've seen the interviews,
[19:04] Speaker 1: you know the case. You know that the Prime Minister
[19:07] Speaker 1: has met with these people. No change. You know that
[19:10] Speaker 1: the Minister has met with these people. No change. Well,
[19:16] Speaker 1: well done to everyone but the government in the Senate,
[19:19] Speaker 1: and I'm talking about everyone from the Greens to One Nation,
[19:23] Speaker 1: because collectively they got together and they voted... to make
[19:29] Speaker 1: it clear that the cap had to go. Now, of course,
[19:33] Speaker 1: legislation has to bounce through both houses, so there will
[19:37] Speaker 1: be a moment where the government has the numbers to
[19:39] Speaker 1: kill this thing, or we're all going to see the
[19:42] Speaker 1: video of them voting to kill this thing. This happened
[19:48] Speaker 1: on Thursday.
[19:57] Speaker 3: The Coalition struck a deal with the Greens, One Nation
[20:00] Speaker 3: and independent veteran Senator Jackie Lambie to block the government's bid.
[20:04] Speaker 3: The Senate voted 35 to 20 against those proposed changes.
[20:08] Speaker 3: The bill will now go to the House of Representatives
[20:10] Speaker 3: next week when Labor gets another chance to vote against
[20:13] Speaker 3: the amendment to scrap the cap.
[20:17] Speaker 1: And I wanted to show that when they deserve it,
[20:20] Speaker 1: they will get the credit. All but the government were
[20:24] Speaker 1: united because this is a disgrace.
[20:28] Speaker 11: We have not seen a government that is willing to
[20:30] Speaker 11: listen to veterans, to listen to experts, to say, yeah,
[20:35] Speaker 11: we got this wrong.
[20:36] Speaker 4: It's not about fraud. It is about $ 748 million coming
[20:43] Speaker 4: away from veterans who need it the most.
[20:45] Speaker 9: Australia made a promise to our veterans. If you stand
[20:49] Speaker 9: up for your country, your country will stand by you.
[20:54] Speaker 9: And that promise, we know, that promise does not expire
[20:59] Speaker 9: when the uniform comes off.
[21:01] Speaker 6: Labor needs to wake up to needs of veterans. These
[21:04] Speaker 6: men and women put on a uniform so the rest
[21:06] Speaker 6: of us don't have to.
[21:08] Speaker 1: Stay calm, veterans. Apart from the Labor Party, you have
[21:12] Speaker 1: the rest of us on your side. So you're better
[21:15] Speaker 1: than just having a crack at Pauline. All on the
[21:17] Speaker 1: same day, but anyway. And believe it or not, are
[21:20] Speaker 1: you sitting down? Are you sitting down? Because I'm about
[21:23] Speaker 1: to show you a grab of the Greens saying something sensible.
[21:29] Speaker 8: And, you know, when you're talking about this kind of
[21:31] Speaker 8: system to help veterans, you want to have a really
[21:34] Speaker 8: low entrance way into getting treatment. And you're going to
[21:38] Speaker 8: err on the side of providing treatment rather than putting
[21:40] Speaker 8: veterans through endless bloody hoops.
[21:43] Speaker 8: While they can wait months and months or years for
[21:46] Speaker 8: basic treatment.
[21:48] Speaker 1: Endless bloody hoops. Good. Everyone but the government can see this.
[21:53] Speaker 1: It is such an easy win. And in the same
[21:55] Speaker 1: way I was talking before about the social media stuff,
[21:57] Speaker 1: that sometimes, sometimes, sometimes, sometimes, to use the AFL parlance, right?
[22:00] Speaker 1: Don't know why I'm pointing at myself. You know I'm
[22:01] Speaker 1: an unco. Still, you can kick from right in front.
[22:04] Speaker 1: No opposition. Guaranteed six points. This is that moment for
[22:08] Speaker 1: the government. This is above red and blue. This is
[22:10] Speaker 1: above win and loss. This is above... All of that.
[22:15] Speaker 1: They're in the position to take the worry away. They
[22:18] Speaker 1: take the worry away. Do it tomorrow. But this was
[22:22] Speaker 1: the official response of the Labor Party. And guess who
[22:25] Speaker 1: the friendly face was who had to push back against
[22:28] Speaker 1: all of Australian politics?
[22:31] Speaker 7: There's always been a review. We've changed that review from
[22:34] Speaker 7: 12 visits to $ 5, 000 because we think that's a better
[22:39] Speaker 7: way of assessing the care that the veteran is getting.
[22:41] Speaker 7: We've increased the payments. We've increased the budget funding, not
[22:44] Speaker 7: cut it. And I think if the opposition were fair dinkum,
[22:48] Speaker 7: they'd recognise those facts and they would recognise that they
[22:51] Speaker 7: left an absolute mess when it comes to veterans' affairs.
[22:54] Speaker 1: OK, Chris, I don't care about the opposition. I care
[22:58] Speaker 1: about the veterans. The veterans are the ones who have
[23:02] Speaker 1: lived under previous systems and are now saying that the
[23:05] Speaker 1: rejig is not good enough. The RSL is saying that.
[23:08] Speaker 1: Soldier On is saying that. Legacy is saying that. These
[23:11] Speaker 1: are not far right-wing think tanks, you know, gateway to nationalism. Please.
[23:17] Speaker 1: The Prime Minister, easy win. Easy win. Okay? I'll even
[23:22] Speaker 1: offer him this, right? If they get rid of the cap,
[23:27] Speaker 1: I can't really promise that I was going to not
[23:28] Speaker 1: criticise them for a whole show.
[23:30] Speaker 5: Okay?
[23:31] Speaker 1: If they get five minutes, five minutes where I'll hold off.
[23:35] Speaker 1: So it happens, hopefully. Hopefully. Tomorrow, we'll all wait, watch
[23:38] Speaker 1: and see together. Now, lots of people, of course, it's
[23:41] Speaker 1: about 17 million people in Australia who have a job. Remember,
[23:46] Speaker 1: defined as a job is just like a couple of
[23:48] Speaker 1: hours work a week, okay? And everyone is finding it tough.
[23:53] Speaker 1: Let's be honest here. Yes, the people who have very little, well,
[23:57] Speaker 1: they're right up against it, but also those who earn
[23:59] Speaker 1: an awful lot because they've got the same commitments of
[24:02] Speaker 1: a house, car and everything else. Yes, bigger versions of it.
[24:05] Speaker 1: But it doesn't matter where you go, up and down
[24:07] Speaker 1: the spectrum, people are feeling the python of cost of living.
[24:12] Speaker 1: As a small business owner, there's never been less in
[24:15] Speaker 1: the kitty at the end of the week.
[24:17] Speaker 7: We're seeing 35% of parents sending their children to school
[24:20] Speaker 7: hungry because they simply cannot get enough food together for
[24:23] Speaker 7: the child.
[24:24] Speaker 4: And that is so deeply distressing.
[24:27] Speaker 1: So how do some people find a way to get
[24:29] Speaker 1: a pay rise? They get another job. I remember my
[24:33] Speaker 1: dad had three jobs, three jobs when I was born. I,
[24:36] Speaker 1: of course, don't remember. He told me. Three. A million
[24:40] Speaker 1: people in Australia, according to the Australian Bureau of Statistics,
[24:43] Speaker 1: have more than one job. One million people. That number
[24:48] Speaker 1: is the highest it has ever been in Australia. Have
[24:51] Speaker 1: a look at this for a graph, right? We're talking
[24:53] Speaker 1: about from June 2004 to March 2026. Oh, but it's population.
[24:56] Speaker 1: It's a.
[25:01] Speaker 1: Very big number that we've gone from 600,000 to almost
[25:05] Speaker 1: 1.1 million people. By the way, the number one industry
[25:09] Speaker 1: all of this is in is in the health, care
[25:12] Speaker 1: and social assistance. All right? So it's not just a
[25:14] Speaker 1: whole bunch of people who've gone, oh, I'll work here
[25:16] Speaker 1: and here and here. It's multiple jobs inside that one sector.
[25:20] Speaker 1: Important to note. Let's talk about 9-11, 25 years on,
[25:24] Speaker 1: of course, so you would have seen all of those
[25:25] Speaker 1: commemorations happening on Friday. Spent a fair chunk of Thursday
[25:30] Speaker 1: night's show talking about how there are those of us
[25:33] Speaker 1: who have lived that history, so we remember how we
[25:36] Speaker 1: felt on 9-11, on the 10th, right? We remember why
[25:40] Speaker 1: it's important to never forget, to always remember the good
[25:45] Speaker 1: and the bad of all of that. Of course, for
[25:48] Speaker 1: 25 years, one of the most amazing things, and I've
[25:51] Speaker 1: seen this with my own eyes and I've seen it
[25:52] Speaker 1: on television, is the lights that are from the former
[25:55] Speaker 1: sites of the towers. Unbelievable. Just to see all of that,
[26:01] Speaker 1: the drone footage, of course, that was up in place.
[26:05] Speaker 1: At the Yankees game, this was how they commemorated. They,
[26:08] Speaker 1: of course, were playing the Mets, the other New York team.
[26:14] Speaker 1: CHANTING Also beautiful to see, of course, was the current mayor,
[26:30] Speaker 1: former presidents, former mayors. and former presidents all at the
[26:35] Speaker 1: 9-11 memorial. And not only did they read out the
[26:37] Speaker 1: names of everyone who died in New York, of course
[26:41] Speaker 1: there was Washington, of course there was Pennsylvania. They've also
[26:44] Speaker 1: had a moment's silence for the thousands of people who
[26:46] Speaker 1: died in the many years, the 25 years since, because
[26:50] Speaker 1: of the diseases they picked up as a result of
[26:52] Speaker 1: being in the area or being part of the cleanup.
[26:54] Speaker 1: It was pretty unbelievable. But a big shout out and
[26:57] Speaker 1: a reminder about the freedom of speech that they have
[26:58] Speaker 1: in America that we just don't have here, no matter
[27:00] Speaker 1: what we think we've got. Bill Maher on HBO calling
[27:05] Speaker 1: out those of the modern left who think that you
[27:08] Speaker 1: shouldn't say terrorists about the people who killed on that day.
[27:13] Speaker 7: Really?
[27:14] Speaker 10: We can't anymore just say out loud who the bad
[27:16] Speaker 10: guys were that morning? Those 19 hijackers? They shared something. Oh,
[27:22] Speaker 10: let's call it a worldview. And it wasn't astrology. But
[27:27] Speaker 10: somehow over time, we've decided not to harp on that,
[27:30] Speaker 10: the whole business about who wanted us dead and why.
[27:33] Speaker 10: Let's not put a name on it. When it comes
[27:35] Speaker 10: to terrorist attacks, please, there are very fine people on
[27:38] Speaker 10: both sides. Canadian state TV told its reporters, do not
[27:44] Speaker 10: refer to the September 11th attacks as terrorist attacks.
[27:49] Speaker 1: No?
[27:50] Speaker 10: Even though the very definition of terrorism is using violence
[27:53] Speaker 10: against civilians to pursue ideological goals? What should we call
[27:57] Speaker 10: it then, unruly passengers?
[28:00] Speaker 1: Can you believe that? That's how far we have drifted
[28:03] Speaker 1: in 25 years, that the obvious act of terrorism... cannot
[28:07] Speaker 1: be referred to that anymore because, you know, remember the
[28:09] Speaker 1: black and white of those times we talked about. If
[28:11] Speaker 1: you've lived the history, you remember black and white. <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL>
[28:18] Speaker 1: Everything you did because it was black and white, terrible, bad.
[28:22] Speaker 1: Doesn't work like that. Real life is different. Quick break.
[28:24] Speaker 1: Back with more here on Paul Murray Live, including where
[28:26] Speaker 1: is our next location for our town? I'll tell you
[28:28] Speaker 1: that straight in a couple of moments' time. We'll get
[28:30] Speaker 1: a bold prediction for the week ahead and, yes, I
[28:33] Speaker 1: will give an opportunity... the people to discuss a podcast
[28:36] Speaker 1: that was back in February that just suddenly the Labor
[28:39] Speaker 1: Party have put back on the table to distract you
[28:43] Speaker 1: from their bad poll numbers and, you know, the Senate
[28:46] Speaker 1: slapping them about on veterans. Jeez, what a surprise. I'm
[28:50] Speaker 1: not going to fall for it, but we'll discuss a
[28:51] Speaker 1: bit of it next. Massive weekend in motorsport. Of course,
[28:58] Speaker 1: we've got Formula One, The Bend in South Australia. The
[29:02] Speaker 1: first of the Enduros of supercars was on. We're just
[29:05] Speaker 1: a couple of weeks away from the Bathurst 1000. Of course,
[29:08] Speaker 1: I'll talk about all that on Fox Sports later in
[29:09] Speaker 1: the week. In the meantime, where are we heading for
[29:12] Speaker 1: the next Our Town? Bathurst! Here we go, just before
[29:16] Speaker 1: the race, the 27th, which is a full couple of
[29:20] Speaker 1: weeks out from the race. We're going to be there, OK?
[29:23] Speaker 1: We roll into town Sunday, the 27th of September. Looking
[29:27] Speaker 1: forward to this, a day after my dad's birthday. Looking
[29:30] Speaker 1: forward to it. Our town at news24. com. au. Our town at news24. com. au.
[29:35] Speaker 1: Are you in Bathurst? Are you near Bathurst? It's the
[29:37] Speaker 1: school holidays, so you can get to Bathurst. Did you
[29:39] Speaker 1: leave at day early because of the roads to Bathurst?
[29:43] Speaker 1: So you've got to hang out in Bathurst for an
[29:45] Speaker 1: extra day. Good, excellent, wonderful. Come and join us Sunday,
[29:48] Speaker 1: 27th of September, Bathurst for Our Town. The next one
[29:51] Speaker 1: at news24. com. au. Kristen Aden is running for the lower house
[29:56] Speaker 1: seat of Frankston in the upcoming Victorian election. She's doing
[29:58] Speaker 1: it as an independent. She joins us every Sunday. Daniel
[30:01] Speaker 1: Wild joins us as well from the IPA. He joins
[30:04] Speaker 1: us now from Adelaide. Lovely to see you both. So
[30:08] Speaker 1: I want to ask you about what James McPherson was
[30:11] Speaker 1: talking about in the previous hour, which was, so in TAFE,
[30:14] Speaker 1: if you do online TAFE in New South Wales at
[30:17] Speaker 1: the start of a module, you get a welcome to country.
[30:20] Speaker 1: If you do four modules in a day, you get
[30:23] Speaker 1: four welcomes to country. Can I suggest here, Kristen, that
[30:28] Speaker 1: the Way to do this is loudspeaker, start of the day,
[30:32] Speaker 1: one welcome to country, or when you log on for
[30:35] Speaker 1: the first time in 24 hours, that's where you get
[30:38] Speaker 1: your welcome to country. Four of them, though? Please.
[30:43] Speaker 2: Paul, before I.
[30:43] Speaker 12: Answer that question, I do have to say your Bathurst
[30:46] Speaker 12: Our Town sounds like a junket.
[30:47] Speaker 1: I'm sorry.
[30:48] Speaker 2: I hope the.
[30:49] Speaker 1: Execs aren't watching. Excuse me. How could you say that?
[30:52] Speaker 1: I mean, Annika Wills has played no role, no role,
[30:55] Speaker 1: in advising us on the location for Our Town a
[30:58] Speaker 1: couple of weeks away from my favourite sporting event of
[31:00] Speaker 1: the year.
[31:03] Speaker 12: You haven't gotten any tips from Annika Wells or the
[31:04] Speaker 12: Labor Party. OK, I'll go from there. But just on
[31:09] Speaker 12: the welcome to country... Just on the welcome to country,
[31:12] Speaker 12: I do think that virtue signalling has gone too far.
[31:16] Speaker 12: Didn't we have Australian officials go to Azerbaijan and then
[31:20] Speaker 12: do a welcome to country as well? And no wonder
[31:24] Speaker 12: people are dropping out of TAFE at record rates and
[31:26] Speaker 12: not finishing their trades. Because it is, unfortunately, when you
[31:30] Speaker 12: do it like that, it loses its meaning.
[31:33] Speaker 9: And it's a waste.
[31:35] Speaker 12: It's a waste of their time in schooling when they
[31:37] Speaker 12: could be learning a proper education, Paul.
[31:39] Speaker 1: Again, look, I never went to an institution that did
[31:42] Speaker 1: the Lord's Prayer, and I don't know whether it was
[31:44] Speaker 1: ever done more than once in a day, even at
[31:46] Speaker 1: the most Catholic of Catholic schools, right? But I'm pretty
[31:49] Speaker 1: sure it wouldn't have been done four times a day, Daniel.
[31:52] Speaker 1: But that is the role of this. This is where
[31:54] Speaker 1: they've simply gone, what was will be replaced with, right?
[31:59] Speaker 1: And in the same way that if you didn't like that, well,
[32:01] Speaker 1: we'll shout at you about this. It's a very obvious
[32:04] Speaker 1: change here, right? And it's not particularly organic. But four
[32:09] Speaker 1: times in a day?
[32:11] Speaker 11: Yeah, it's ridiculous. I mean, I'll one-up you, Paul. I
[32:15] Speaker 11: don't reckon they should be doing Welcome to Country on
[32:17] Speaker 11: the loudspeaker. Why don't they blast the national anthem?
[32:19] Speaker 1: Oh, yes. On the national speaker. Or you could do...
[32:24] Speaker 1: But not the version with that..... at the start. I
[32:26] Speaker 1: don't like the... It's unnecessary. I've never grown up with
[32:29] Speaker 1: the extra... But it's always there when they just want
[32:32] Speaker 1: to string it out a little bit. Just to talk.
[32:34] Speaker 1: That's fair enough.
[32:35] Speaker 11: I'll go with you on that one. But, look, I
[32:37] Speaker 11: will say that does anyone feel welcomed by a welcomed
[32:41] Speaker 11: country anymore? I mean, seriously, they are aggressive, they're hostile,
[32:47] Speaker 11: they're demeaning, and they're designed to demoralise us. I mean,
[32:51] Speaker 11: when you're sitting there, you know, whether you're at TAFE,
[32:53] Speaker 11: whether you're in the grandstand watching the footy, whatever you're doing,
[32:56] Speaker 11: I don't know anyone who feels better. Do we feel
[32:59] Speaker 11: more united? Do we feel more connected to our fellow
[33:03] Speaker 11: Australian after a welcome to country? I certainly don't.
[33:06] Speaker 2: So.
[33:07] Speaker 11: Just get rid of them. I mean, yes, when you
[33:09] Speaker 11: go into a genuine situation of Indigenous people, great. But
[33:14] Speaker 11: on all other occasions, enough is enough.
[33:17] Speaker 1: Get rid of them. I never like being accused of
[33:19] Speaker 1: not talking about what is the biggest story of the day,
[33:21] Speaker 1: and apparently the biggest story of the day was something
[33:24] Speaker 1: Pauline Hanson said in a podcast, not last week, not
[33:27] Speaker 1: last month, but back in February, that magically returned to
[33:31] Speaker 1: the news cycle this weekend because the Labor Party's in
[33:34] Speaker 1: no trouble whatsoever and the media's not doing any favours
[33:37] Speaker 1: to try to quickly change the subject from particularly their
[33:40] Speaker 1: big loss when it came to Warren Pickering last week.
[33:43] Speaker 1: That said, I won't ignore the obvious, this is what
[33:46] Speaker 1: she said. Now... You don't have a go at someone's mum.
[33:49] Speaker 1: I'm not a fan of having a go at someone's mum,
[33:51] Speaker 1: but this is what she said.
[33:53] Speaker 6: House Commission houses should not be there for people to
[33:55] Speaker 6: live in them for 30, 40. And he said his
[33:58] Speaker 6: mother lived in the same one. She was born in
[34:00] Speaker 6: for 65 years. Sorry, that's not on to me. It
[34:03] Speaker 6: should be limited time. You've been given a hand up.
[34:06] Speaker 6: Moving on to the next one's coming through.
[34:08] Speaker 1: I am stunned at these comments, but I'll make this point.
[34:14] Speaker 3: If Pauline Hanson wants to criticise me, then that's fine.
[34:19] Speaker 1: But my mother was way out of Pauline Hanson's league.
[34:22] Speaker 1: Way out of it. And magically, because this got put
[34:25] Speaker 1: back on the table at all, and the pearl clutching, right? Now,
[34:29] Speaker 1: hang on. OK, Kristen, here's the thing. Again, not where
[34:34] Speaker 1: I would have gone, don't like where this went, right?
[34:37] Speaker 1: But I also just might hold back some of the
[34:39] Speaker 1: rage if it's taken seven months for it to come out,
[34:42] Speaker 1: A little bit like some of the rage about, you know,
[34:45] Speaker 1: TV shows that two weeks later magically people get annoyed
[34:48] Speaker 1: about or people who want to pretend, well, we're a
[34:52] Speaker 1: week after that podcast with the melon lady. What are
[34:55] Speaker 1: you talking about? Come on.
[34:58] Speaker 12: They're trying to pile on to One Nation at the moment.
[35:00] Speaker 12: That's why they went looking for this kind of dirt
[35:03] Speaker 12: to sling against them. Because Labor and Liberal are currently
[35:07] Speaker 12: teaming up about the whole Andrew Hastie saga and Trader
[35:11] Speaker 12: saga that's going on at the moment. Commission housing should
[35:16] Speaker 12: not be a long-term solution. It should be the opportunity
[35:18] Speaker 12: for people to get back on their feet, get a
[35:21] Speaker 12: roof over their head. And if they have the capability
[35:23] Speaker 12: to get back into society and then let, you know,
[35:26] Speaker 12: the next cohort of people go into commission housing. But
[35:29] Speaker 12: my question here for Anthony Albanese is he was elected
[35:34] Speaker 12: as a member of parliament in 1996. His mother, which
[35:39] Speaker 12: he has said, you know, passed away in commission housing
[35:42] Speaker 12: in 2002. He was making three times the amount of
[35:46] Speaker 12: an average Australian when he got elected. So why did
[35:50] Speaker 12: his mum still pass away in Commissioner housing? It kind
[35:52] Speaker 12: of feels, and I know that It's outrageous for me
[35:55] Speaker 12: to say, Paul, but it kind of feels like he
[35:57] Speaker 12: left her behind and just like the Australian people are
[35:59] Speaker 12: getting left behind at the moment.
[36:01] Speaker 1: Well, again, right, you're right to say it, my right
[36:03] Speaker 1: to respond, which is that his response would be, of course,
[36:06] Speaker 1: that obviously we don't know what her illness was and
[36:08] Speaker 1: obviously certain people of a certain age, and she was
[36:10] Speaker 1: only in her 60s when she died, they don't want
[36:12] Speaker 1: to move at all. But, Daniel, again... And again, it
[36:16] Speaker 1: feels like a raw shake test, right? This is the
[36:18] Speaker 1: classic one of everything Pauline Hanson says is the worst
[36:20] Speaker 1: thing ever. Or the Prime Minister, oh, there's this area
[36:24] Speaker 1: you can't possibly go near. Again, if this was a
[36:27] Speaker 1: blow up that happened in the week the podcast came out,
[36:29] Speaker 1: I would be treating it a little more seriously.
[36:33] Speaker 11: Look, I agree with you. What you're going to see
[36:35] Speaker 11: from now until polling day is these things on Pauline
[36:39] Speaker 11: Hanson are just going to be put out week by week. OK,
[36:41] Speaker 11: so they've got a dossier from here to Gibraltar about
[36:44] Speaker 11: things Pauline Hanson has said. And they're now going to
[36:47] Speaker 11: engage in the systematic politics of personal destruction because one
[36:51] Speaker 11: nation just wiped the floor with Labor in Western Australia
[36:54] Speaker 11: by winning Labor voters. OK, this wasn't one nation taking
[36:58] Speaker 11: the right wing vote. They took Labor's vote. So alarm
[37:02] Speaker 11: bells are ringing. They're going to do to Paul. They're
[37:04] Speaker 11: going to try to do what to Pauline, what they
[37:06] Speaker 11: did to Peter Dutton, which was, you know, Albanese is
[37:08] Speaker 11: very unpopular. So they're going to try and drag down
[37:11] Speaker 11: Pauline's numbers down to below his numbers because it's all
[37:14] Speaker 11: you can do when you're unpopular.
[37:15] Speaker 1: So. You're going to see more and more of this.
[37:17] Speaker 11: So if you're Pauline Hanson, what you need to do
[37:20] Speaker 11: is you need to tell your story. to the Australian people. Otherwise,
[37:24] Speaker 11: you will be defined by Labor in the same way Albanese,
[37:27] Speaker 11: in the same way Peter Dutton was, and it could
[37:29] Speaker 11: be all over.
[37:30] Speaker 1: Well, I also think that there's an opportunity here where,
[37:33] Speaker 1: don't forget, both of them were elected in 1996. All right.
[37:36] Speaker 1: Telling the story of he was where I was in 96.
[37:39] Speaker 1: Where was he in 96? Where was I in 98?
[37:41] Speaker 1: And explaining the differences. And again, that going back to
[37:45] Speaker 1: that central value about sort of always being on the
[37:48] Speaker 1: money and him being a complete machine of Canberra. So, Kristen,
[37:53] Speaker 1: we've discussed before about social media and the social media
[37:56] Speaker 1: laws the government's putting in place, whether it is going
[37:59] Speaker 1: to be too much or not. Again, it's not that
[38:03] Speaker 1: I am trying to find a backdoor way to... curry
[38:06] Speaker 1: any points with the government, I couldn't care less about,
[38:09] Speaker 1: with people who clearly are not going to tuck me
[38:10] Speaker 1: into bed at any one time. It's, again, is this
[38:14] Speaker 1: one of those moments where there's a kick from right
[38:16] Speaker 1: in front, okay? So if all the system is, is
[38:20] Speaker 1: a system that says, if all I want is to
[38:22] Speaker 1: get Daniel and Kristen in my feed, because they're the
[38:25] Speaker 1: ones I follow, and I want random stuff from other people,
[38:27] Speaker 1: I just want those two, well.
[38:30] Speaker 1: OK, the problem for me is when the minister has
[38:33] Speaker 1: the power to nuke either of your accounts if the
[38:37] Speaker 1: content is harmful. And remember, harmful has changed as a
[38:40] Speaker 1: word and its definition, remember? Widen it and then lower
[38:44] Speaker 1: it so that everything you don't like becomes harmful. Remember,
[38:47] Speaker 1: silence is violence.
[38:51] Speaker 12: Well, their mad bill didn't get up, and what they've done,
[38:55] Speaker 12: they've gone away behind closed doors, they've stripped it back completely,
[38:59] Speaker 12: and they've cut it up into provocative-sized pieces. where they
[39:04] Speaker 12: can make it sexy and say, you know, your algorithm,
[39:06] Speaker 12: your choice, or whatever that may be, so that the
[39:09] Speaker 12: everyday punter, and I'm not calling you an everyday punter, Paul,
[39:12] Speaker 12: but the everyday punter can't.
[39:15] Speaker 1: See that we're in a boiling pot.
[39:17] Speaker 12: And the Labor Party is slowly turning up the heat
[39:20] Speaker 12: and our freedom of speech and our freedom of choice
[39:23] Speaker 12: is slowly being eroded. Now, people vacated MySpace and went
[39:28] Speaker 12: to a different social media platform And if social media
[39:30] Speaker 12: is so bad, something else will come up and someone
[39:33] Speaker 12: else will move on to it. But we cannot risk
[39:36] Speaker 12: our freedom of speech and give ministers powers like this.
[39:39] Speaker 1: It's not on. Yeah, 100%, even the watered-down version. I
[39:42] Speaker 1: don't want that, right? But I want that to be,
[39:45] Speaker 1: in my view, the way to get to either the
[39:48] Speaker 1: heart of the Death Star or the outer limits of
[39:51] Speaker 1: it and perhaps its weapons here. Daniel, obviously, the IPA,
[39:54] Speaker 1: it's baked into your bones that this is not the
[39:56] Speaker 1: place to be, but what do you think of what
[39:59] Speaker 1: is being offered here? Is it what Kristen said, which is, look,
[40:01] Speaker 1: we couldn't get the whole thing through, so let's get
[40:03] Speaker 1: a whole bunch of little Trojan horses and shove them
[40:05] Speaker 1: through one by one by one by one?
[40:08] Speaker 11: Yeah, I mean, what they're doing, so this government's hell-bent
[40:11] Speaker 11: on censoring the internet. This is the third crack they're
[40:14] Speaker 11: having at it, right? So the first crack was with
[40:16] Speaker 11: what Kristen said, the misinformation laws, which was so toxic
[40:19] Speaker 11: that they didn't even bother putting it for a vote
[40:21] Speaker 11: in the Senate because it was going to get defeated. Now,
[40:23] Speaker 11: misinformation was if you don't support this, you don't support democracy. OK,
[40:28] Speaker 11: then they had a crack after Bondi with the hate
[40:30] Speaker 11: speech laws. Now, they got their hate group laws through,
[40:33] Speaker 11: but they had a crack with hate speech laws. And
[40:35] Speaker 11: what they said there was we need hate speech laws
[40:37] Speaker 11: because of social cohesion. In other words, don't talk about immigration. Now, again,
[40:41] Speaker 11: these were so toxic that they had to get rid
[40:43] Speaker 11: of those. So this is Attempt number three. Attempt number
[40:46] Speaker 11: three is if you don't support these laws, you don't
[40:48] Speaker 11: care about kids. OK, so that's the line they're running now.
[40:51] Speaker 11: They're all basically similar incarnations, OK? It's all about giving
[40:55] Speaker 11: the government or some kind of authority like the e-safety
[40:59] Speaker 11: commissioner more control over what can be said on the internet.
[41:03] Speaker 11: But I reckon the digital duty of care is kind
[41:04] Speaker 11: of going to die, right? I mean, you look at
[41:06] Speaker 11: Annika Wells trying to defend it. She doesn't know who's included.
[41:09] Speaker 11: She won't admit how much power she has, but she
[41:11] Speaker 11: won't deny it. I think the government will backtrack a
[41:14] Speaker 11: bit on it, but certainly this law has to be
[41:17] Speaker 11: completely kibosh because it's unconscionable to give government control over
[41:21] Speaker 11: what can and can't be said online.
[41:23] Speaker 1: I'm with you. All right, thank you, guys. Do appreciate it.
[41:25] Speaker 1: We'll see you again next week. Thank you, Daniel. Thank
[41:27] Speaker 1: you very much to Kristen as well. All right, let's
[41:29] Speaker 1: go to the UK in a moment or two's time.
[41:31] Speaker 1: Our dear friend Mark Dolan, he joins us for a
[41:33] Speaker 1: not-so-royal return. Could it be a Harry? Could it be
[41:37] Speaker 1: a Meghan? We're having fun on a Sunday night. Why?
[41:39] Speaker 1: Because it's nice outside. And you shouldn't be cranky all
[41:43] Speaker 1: the time. More in a second. Shout-out to my sister-in-law, Kathy.
[41:52] Speaker 1: Love you, darling. And Kez, Tony and Holly from the
[41:55] Speaker 1: Sip Social at Redhead. Apparently they're big fans and they
[42:00] Speaker 1: wanted a shout-out, so you get one. If you'd like one,
[42:02] Speaker 1: you can always send me an email. Paul at news24. com. au. Now,
[42:06] Speaker 1: no missing cats, no birthdays. Mark Dolan, of course, joins
[42:08] Speaker 1: us now from Talk TV. He's in the UK right now.
[42:11] Speaker 1: Nice and outside because it's that sort of a Sunday.
[42:13] Speaker 1: Let's talk about reform. They've got an awful lot of
[42:16] Speaker 1: cash and cash helps in politics, not because it buys
[42:19] Speaker 1: you favours, but it buys you polling, it buys you
[42:22] Speaker 1: advertising and it means you can go around the gatekeeper.
[42:26] Speaker 1: Talk to me.
[42:28] Speaker 2: Absolutely right. This is enough of a war chest to
[42:32] Speaker 2: help Nigel Farage become the prime minister of this country.
[42:36] Speaker 2: It's going to be a massive resource for a forthcoming
[42:39] Speaker 2: election campaign. Paul, we could have a snap election in
[42:42] Speaker 2: November of this year. It's likely that we'll have one
[42:45] Speaker 2: in the spring of next year because Andy Burnham, the
[42:48] Speaker 2: new PM that no one voted for, will never be
[42:51] Speaker 2: this popular. He's enjoying the so-called Burnham bounce.
[42:54] Speaker 4: Why?
[42:54] Speaker 2: Because he's slightly better at politics than his predecessor, Keir Starmer.
[42:58] Speaker 2: So the drinks are on Nigel. And he's very much
[43:01] Speaker 2: bounced back after last week's headlines around a sting operation
[43:05] Speaker 2: by Channel 4 News in which somebody posed as a
[43:08] Speaker 2: donor paying for polling. Now, that was a nothing burger.
[43:11] Speaker 2: And it's interesting how Channel 4 don't do a similar
[43:14] Speaker 2: sting operation on left-wing parties. I'll leave that to the
[43:17] Speaker 2: judgment of your audience as to why. So yeah, he's
[43:19] Speaker 2: got the resources. And the other big aspect of this, Paul,
[43:23] Speaker 2: is he's winning the argument in the United Kingdom. Here
[43:26] Speaker 2: I am in Northampton, which is a thriving... from British
[43:28] Speaker 2: City in the East Midlands. But youth unemployment is growing up,
[43:32] Speaker 2: social division, drug use, disorder. People are feeling it and
[43:36] Speaker 2: they want change. The only problem we've got, Paul, is that, yes,
[43:40] Speaker 2: Farage has got this war chest. And it could be
[43:42] Speaker 2: that some sort of deal could be done with the
[43:44] Speaker 2: Conservatives who have shifted right under Kemi Badenoch. But British
[43:48] Speaker 2: politics is a paradox and there's every chance that although
[43:52] Speaker 2: we've got the highest tax burden since the Second World War,
[43:55] Speaker 2: non-existent growth and open borders, it's just possible that a
[43:59] Speaker 2: left-wing coalition will win the election in the next few
[44:02] Speaker 2: months and therefore five more years of socialism, at which
[44:05] Speaker 2: point it's the end. So this is a yellow brick
[44:08] Speaker 2: road moment for Britain, Paul.
[44:10] Speaker 1: Yeah, people should know, by the way, that number around
[44:12] Speaker 1: $ 72 million is Labor at the last UK election spent
[44:16] Speaker 1: the best part of £ 12 million in that campaign. So
[44:20] Speaker 1: obviously there's limits, right? So it's not about all 72
[44:24] Speaker 1: just on teleads. It's about staff. It's about buntings. It's
[44:27] Speaker 1: about getting out and doing and building a machine. And
[44:31] Speaker 1: as Mark says, when the stakes are through the roof,
[44:33] Speaker 1: it's what matters, right? When the stakes are that high,
[44:36] Speaker 1: you've got to play hardball and you've got to have
[44:39] Speaker 1: the equipment to fight.
[44:41] Speaker 2: And Paul, I will take no lectures from establishment media
[44:44] Speaker 2: about reform, enjoying the generosity of two British patriots. Both
[44:50] Speaker 2: of these two men, Christopher Harbourn and Ben Delo, are British.
[44:54] Speaker 2: One is based in Thailand, and the other has come
[44:57] Speaker 2: back to the UK from Hong Kong. He actually came
[44:59] Speaker 2: back so that he could legally give money to Nigel Farage.
[45:02] Speaker 2: And I'll take no lectures from the left because, of course,
[45:04] Speaker 2: they're bankrolled by left-wing interests, the quangos, the non-governmental organizations.
[45:11] Speaker 2: And let's not forget the trade unions who are causing
[45:15] Speaker 2: so much red tape in business, which is why we've
[45:17] Speaker 2: got no growth in the economy, why unemployment's up. So
[45:20] Speaker 2: it's all to play for. And I will tell you
[45:22] Speaker 2: that Nigel Farage is a happier man today than he
[45:25] Speaker 2: was last week.
[45:26] Speaker 1: Yeah, well, we look forward to talking to him in
[45:28] Speaker 1: the next couple of weeks here on Paul Murray Live.
[45:30] Speaker 1: Let's talk about Harry and Meghan. Now, let's get to
[45:32] Speaker 1: the Saturday Night Live of it all in a moment here.
[45:34] Speaker 1: But as you have noticed in the press in the UK,
[45:38] Speaker 1: he thinks that the royal family need him. Well, guess what?
[45:40] Speaker 1: He got a letter and they don't.
[45:43] Speaker 2: Absolutely devastating. The timing of this was remarkable because they've
[45:46] Speaker 2: come back to the UK and this is supposed to
[45:49] Speaker 2: be Harry's victory lap. You know, I'm home. I'm the
[45:51] Speaker 2: main man. I'm going to be royal again. Well, King
[45:54] Speaker 2: Charles says, hold my beer. I'm actually going to remind
[45:57] Speaker 2: you of the terms and conditions of Megxit. brokered six
[46:01] Speaker 2: years ago by the late Queen Elizabeth, that you're an
[46:03] Speaker 2: ordinary citizen. And Harry was so upset, he issued a
[46:06] Speaker 2: furious statement saying, oh, we weren't warned about this letter. Well,
[46:10] Speaker 2: Buckingham Palace decided to contact the Daily Mail, who Harry
[46:14] Speaker 2: detests and who may bankrupt him because they're going to
[46:16] Speaker 2: get unlimited legal expenses for his awful court case that
[46:20] Speaker 2: he lost. So Buckingham Palace called them out and said, no,
[46:22] Speaker 2: I'm so sorry. Effectively, the Sussexes have lied about that.
[46:26] Speaker 2: So he's been back in the UK for five minutes,
[46:28] Speaker 2: negative headlines, which is in the playbook. The guy needs
[46:31] Speaker 2: to just behave himself, keep his head down, apologise to
[46:35] Speaker 2: everyone and hope that he'll be forgiven. But I wouldn't
[46:38] Speaker 2: hold my breath.
[46:39] Speaker 1: Well, and it's the perfect example, right? It's all good
[46:41] Speaker 1: when you're laughing along, but when they're laughing at you,
[46:43] Speaker 1: it's a world of trouble. There's a UK version of
[46:46] Speaker 1: Saturday Night Live and they've decided to take the piss
[46:49] Speaker 1: out of them. Roll the tape.
[46:52] Speaker 2: What in the devil is that ricket?
[46:55] Speaker 1: Donnie.
[47:06] Speaker 2: I'm home. Absolutely fantastic. And that's what's happened since Harry
[47:12] Speaker 2: and Meghan have come back to the UK. The people
[47:15] Speaker 2: aren't angry. I'm in this great city. They're getting on
[47:17] Speaker 2: with their lives. They're either laughing at them or ignoring them,
[47:21] Speaker 2: which is like kryptonite Harry and Meghan. And don't forget,
[47:24] Speaker 2: Saturday Night Live UK, right? It's all woke left-wing comedians,
[47:28] Speaker 2: and even they are mocking the Sussexes.
[47:32] Speaker 1: Correct, correct. The bloke who played Harry, actually very funny,
[47:34] Speaker 1: sort of their main impersonation guy. I like him. All right,
[47:37] Speaker 1: thanks very much, mate. Appreciate it. We'll talk to Mark
[47:39] Speaker 1: Dolan again next week. And again, a reminder, we're going
[47:42] Speaker 1: to be in our town a couple of weeks, Bathurst,
[47:45] Speaker 1: 27th of September. Send me an email, which is ourtownatnews24. com. au, ourtownatnews24. com. au.
[47:52] Speaker 1: And even though it's the weekend, there's still bad social
[47:54] Speaker 1: media videos to show you. We'll do it before we're done.
[47:59] Speaker 1: Or Tenzi has the headlines for you in about five
[48:01] Speaker 1: minutes from now at News 24 on a Sunday night. Now,
[48:09] Speaker 1: of course, while it's time to go back to work tomorrow.
[48:13] Speaker 1: That means you're going back to work to pay a
[48:14] Speaker 1: lot of tax, to pay for the politicians, to pay
[48:16] Speaker 1: for the staffers of those politicians, to make crap social
[48:19] Speaker 1: media videos like this one for the Labor Minister, Matt Thistlethwaite.
[48:36] Speaker 1: Or the Labor MP for John Howard's electorate, Ben Along.
[48:40] Speaker 1: The only time you've ever seen him in our election
[48:42] Speaker 1: is a month before the election. Well, is that right, Brett?
[48:53] Speaker 1: Mark Levy back on the radio tomorrow morning. All right,
[48:55] Speaker 1: that's our show. Thank you very much for watching. We'll
[48:57] Speaker 1: see you again tomorrow night. Here's the latest news.

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