# Paul Murray Live | 25 June

An episode of [Paul Murray Live](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/376966263), 25 Jun 2026, 49 min.

Audio: https://p.podderapp.com/2544644999/traffic.omny.fm/d/clips/2fb3740d-3436-44af-8cc0-a91900716aa5/be3abd48-25e5-45a6-aede-ac2a00524a12/17bc0bf4-dc3f-42b7-b292-b47400d4d431/audio.mp3?utm_source=Podcast&in_playlist=95971714-8fe6-4855-b1fe-ac2a00524a12

Nine to sack Karl Stefanovic, Pauline Hanson's 'Fire the Liar' campaign edges towards a goal of $5 million. Plus, Jacinta Allan drains taxpayer cash. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:00] Speaker 1: From the Sky News Center. This is Paul Murray Live.
[0:06] Speaker 1: Thank you, Caro. I've been doing a sensational job this
[0:09] Speaker 1: week hosting the show for Sharry. We're going to Paul
[0:12] Speaker 1: Murray A Live. I've got an awful lot to get
[0:13] Speaker 1: to in the man Cave this evening, including our dear
[0:15] Speaker 1: friend Meghan Kelly. Now, currently there is this ridiculous obsession
[0:19] Speaker 1: by lefties in the United States who want to have
[0:22] Speaker 1: a endless conversation about the amount of algae in the
[0:25] Speaker 1: reflecting pool at the front of the Lincoln Memorial. They
[0:29] Speaker 1: are literally singing to the alga because they hate Donald Trump.
[0:35] Speaker 2: The ts A stuff to your brain, Paul, stuff from
[0:39] Speaker 2: would you cannot recover.
[0:41] Speaker 1: But first, Australia, You've got a great day ahead of
[0:46] Speaker 1: you tomorrow. In fact, I hereby give Australia a permission
[0:51] Speaker 1: for a long Friday lunch. Now, as you know, earlier
[0:55] Speaker 1: this week I showed you about the Australia that so
[0:59] Speaker 1: many of us assumed to still be Australia, an Australia
[1:02] Speaker 1: where a political leader like a Bob Hawk can stand
[1:05] Speaker 1: in front of an Australian flag while trying to get
[1:09] Speaker 1: your vote, not hiding from it, not watering it down
[1:12] Speaker 1: with other symbols. Even remember I told you earlier in
[1:17] Speaker 1: the week they changed, We didn't because this is how
[1:21] Speaker 1: the Labor Party used to market itself in elections in
[1:24] Speaker 1: the nineteen eighties. Put Australia first with the Australian flag.
[1:28] Speaker 1: Imagine the flame out if this was even suggested today.
[1:33] Speaker 1: But of course, one of Hawky's most famous moments came
[1:36] Speaker 1: when Australia won the America's Cup in nineteen eighty three.
[1:40] Speaker 1: You remember it, but let's live it again.
[1:43] Speaker 3: I tell you what, any bus who sacks anyone but
[1:45] Speaker 3: not setting up the day as.
[1:47] Speaker 1: Above, one of those moments lives forever in history, regardless
[1:54] Speaker 1: of what you think politically, left, right or center. It
[1:57] Speaker 1: just was, yeah, had goods at leader of the country game.
[1:59] Speaker 1: This is a great day. Everyone, Just have a good one. Right. Well,
[2:02] Speaker 1: tomorrow there's a chance for all of us to have
[2:05] Speaker 1: sort of an eighty style long lunch because the soccer
[2:08] Speaker 1: us are playing their final round robin game of the
[2:13] Speaker 1: World Cup. Now, if they win, we're absolutely guaranteed to
[2:17] Speaker 1: go through. If we draw, we probably go through. We
[2:20] Speaker 1: just don't want to lose and we don't want to
[2:22] Speaker 1: lose big. Of course, the match is tomorrow in San Francisco.
[2:26] Speaker 1: It is against Paraguay. But it's happening at midday. It's
[2:31] Speaker 1: happening at midday right up and down the East coast
[2:34] Speaker 1: of Australia. And that means lunchtime tomorrow. You can knock
[2:40] Speaker 1: off early. Lunchtime tomorrow. Go to the pub lunchtime tomorrow,
[2:47] Speaker 1: go and hang out with some mates. If you're in Melbourne,
[2:52] Speaker 1: go to the fan side at Federation Square. Police behave yourself.
[2:55] Speaker 1: Let's go more like the first game than the second game.
[2:57] Speaker 1: If you can get to a telly, if you can
[2:59] Speaker 1: see it with other people, go do it and enjoy.
[3:03] Speaker 1: And I've got to say I love the idea that tomorrow,
[3:07] Speaker 1: which is the last day of school for many states
[3:09] Speaker 1: around the country in the public school system, this is
[3:12] Speaker 1: a moment for the kids of Australia to be able
[3:15] Speaker 1: to have their version of a long lunch. Remember the
[3:18] Speaker 1: old days where a teacher used to roll a television
[3:21] Speaker 1: into the classroom. Well, I hope with the new technology
[3:24] Speaker 1: that exists now, every kid in every classroom in Australia,
[3:28] Speaker 1: or even better, at the assembly halls of every school
[3:30] Speaker 1: in Australia can be packed out tomorrow from midday because
[3:35] Speaker 1: when we have collective moments like what we are going
[3:38] Speaker 1: to have tomorrow, wind loose or draw, we are reminded
[3:42] Speaker 1: that we live in the greatest country of all. Enjoy
[3:45] Speaker 1: the celebration, Enjoy the game. I cannot wait to be
[3:49] Speaker 1: in Darwin getting ready for our town, cheering the boys on.
[3:53] Speaker 1: Because again, despite the fact that there are those who
[3:56] Speaker 1: want to try to say there's something other about the
[3:59] Speaker 1: soccer rous than our national team, they are our national team.
[4:03] Speaker 1: Go Australia, go to soccer Ruse and enjoy what I
[4:07] Speaker 1: hope is a long lunch tomorrow, even if all you're
[4:11] Speaker 1: slamming down are superdoopers.
[4:14] Speaker 4: I'm feeling really excited because Australia might win because our
[4:18] Speaker 4: goalkeeper says every shot only happens once every four years.
[4:21] Speaker 5: So if the socceros don't hear our kids cheering, I'll
[4:24] Speaker 5: be very surprised.
[4:26] Speaker 1: All right, let's go there. You know, the latest news
[4:28] Speaker 1: about Carl Stephanoviki is that it looks like doune and
[4:30] Speaker 1: dusted from Channel nine, most likely done and dusted from
[4:33] Speaker 1: the radio gig as well. But Eddie Maguire still thinks
[4:36] Speaker 1: there is a chance for that to happen, so it
[4:38] Speaker 1: still may power on. But you know the stories, you
[4:41] Speaker 1: know the negotiations, you know the ups and downs. We've
[4:43] Speaker 1: talked about it all for the most obvious of reasons.
[4:47] Speaker 1: There have been plenty of people who've come out in
[4:48] Speaker 1: support of Karl Stefanovic. They like the new version of Karl,
[4:52] Speaker 1: or maybe they've always liked the old version of Carl.
[4:56] Speaker 1: Lots of comments, lots of people, lots of social media.
[4:59] Speaker 1: There's a petition if you want to go and sign
[5:01] Speaker 1: it at the Revive Australia website which is Save Carl
[5:04] Speaker 1: Carl stefanovigin of You, Tommy Robinson. Now the pressure campaign
[5:08] Speaker 1: to cancel him has begun. Fight Back Stand with Carl.
[5:11] Speaker 1: Currently six thousand people have signed that petition again if
[5:15] Speaker 1: you want to do it, free country back someone in. Now,
[5:20] Speaker 1: we know why this has happened, and it's because of
[5:24] Speaker 1: the new version of Carl, or the true version of
[5:27] Speaker 1: Carl that has appeared on the podcast. Now, the podcast
[5:30] Speaker 1: has been crazy successful, right, and he's very obviously free
[5:35] Speaker 1: to do whatever he wants on his podcast. But unless
[5:38] Speaker 1: you are filthy rich, there is always going to be
[5:42] Speaker 1: a consequence. And if you are getting money from somebody else,
[5:45] Speaker 1: there is a capacity for the somebody else to not
[5:47] Speaker 1: like what you do. Now that somebody else can decide
[5:50] Speaker 1: to fire you. We can love it, we can dislike it,
[5:53] Speaker 1: but of course it's their rights and employer to do it.
[5:56] Speaker 1: If you are independently wealthy, if somehow you win lotto
[5:59] Speaker 1: with an new what you want, get your private deformation
[6:02] Speaker 1: insurance go nuts. But I've got to say I haven't
[6:09] Speaker 1: been as convinced as others by the great transformation of
[6:12] Speaker 1: Karl Stefanovic. Now, like everyone, you're allowed to change your opinion.
[6:17] Speaker 1: Like everyone, you're allowed to grow in one way or another.
[6:22] Speaker 1: But the consequence of poking the bear is that people
[6:30] Speaker 1: can walk away from you. Now I haven't been in
[6:34] Speaker 1: this world for fifteen weeks. I've been doing it for
[6:36] Speaker 1: fifteen years, and I lose friends because of what I
[6:40] Speaker 1: say here on the air, because of what I truly believe.
[6:44] Speaker 1: I don't get invited to host events, I don't get
[6:50] Speaker 1: invited to the opening of an envelope, and obviously you
[6:53] Speaker 1: don't get the plaudence of awards or anything like that.
[6:56] Speaker 1: But the whole point is there was a moment in
[6:58] Speaker 1: my life where I worked out that not what I
[7:00] Speaker 1: wanted to do. What I wanted to do was just
[7:02] Speaker 1: tell you what I think each and every day. Certainly
[7:05] Speaker 1: over the past few years, as the editorial has got longer,
[7:08] Speaker 1: I'd really loved being able to show you the examples
[7:12] Speaker 1: of why I have the opinion that I do, to
[7:15] Speaker 1: show you the data about why I have the opinion
[7:17] Speaker 1: that I do. But I'm certainly not arrogant enough to
[7:20] Speaker 1: believe that mine is the one and true opinion and
[7:22] Speaker 1: mine is the only one that matters. Mine is one
[7:24] Speaker 1: of twenty eight million people's opinions. It is an incredible
[7:29] Speaker 1: privilege to be able to be in your land room,
[7:32] Speaker 1: on your phone, or in your year, however you consume
[7:36] Speaker 1: what I do each and every night. But again, I
[7:41] Speaker 1: have not quite bought the conversion of Karl, because he
[7:46] Speaker 1: said this in twenty seventeen about Australia Day being on
[7:50] Speaker 1: January the twenty sixth, If.
[7:53] Speaker 6: We are to truly follow through with the apology and
[7:56] Speaker 6: move forward together hand in hand, arm in arm, beve
[8:00] Speaker 6: it must change. So let's do it together. Certainly, let's
[8:04] Speaker 6: debate it together.
[8:06] Speaker 1: He promoted Lydia Thorpe like this on sixty minutes.
[8:12] Speaker 6: After you see her tonight, you might also understand why
[8:15] Speaker 6: having more lydia thorpes in Canberra could in fact be
[8:19] Speaker 6: just what this country needs.
[8:22] Speaker 1: And as I've shown you before, he was more than
[8:23] Speaker 1: happy to give a relative free ride to Anthony Abernezi
[8:26] Speaker 1: on his way to the Prime ministership in twenty twenty two,
[8:29] Speaker 1: despite all of the evidence about what we knew to
[8:32] Speaker 1: be the consequence of that and subsequent elections, because the
[8:37] Speaker 1: wind was blowing that way. This was the treatment again
[8:40] Speaker 1: on sixty minutes, watched by way more people than I've
[8:44] Speaker 1: ever been able to.
[8:45] Speaker 6: Achieve, setting a cracking pace these days. It's been a
[8:52] Speaker 6: carefully crafted makeover. The dramatic weight loss, new specs, new suits.
[8:58] Speaker 1: It's all very well prime ministerial.
[9:01] Speaker 6: You'd almost need glasses to recognize the elbow two point zero.
[9:06] Speaker 3: You look like John Kerk, a wartime prime minister.
[9:11] Speaker 1: Well fashion.
[9:12] Speaker 3: If you just hold on for long enough, it comes back.
[9:15] Speaker 1: And then, even after the three years of the Albanesi government,
[9:18] Speaker 1: at the election where the lies were being told again,
[9:22] Speaker 1: this was the platform given to the Prime minister, the
[9:26] Speaker 1: treatment given to the Prime Minister on sixty minutes. You
[9:30] Speaker 1: never feel like pushing him in the water.
[9:32] Speaker 7: Sometime I felt like Daniel was just getting dangerously close.
[9:36] Speaker 1: To the edge.
[9:38] Speaker 3: Well that's the election, John A.
[9:39] Speaker 1: Mc wedding, how much.
[9:42] Speaker 3: Charge mats rates prepare to look at it.
[9:48] Speaker 1: But if the beast that has been inside is the
[9:50] Speaker 1: one that has been unleashed by the podcast, and this
[9:53] Speaker 1: is his true and unadulterated self, great, we haven't really
[9:57] Speaker 1: seen signs of it for the past twenty years. Does
[9:59] Speaker 1: this mean that his conversion is not a realistic one?
[10:02] Speaker 3: No?
[10:02] Speaker 1: Why I am not inside his head and b I
[10:05] Speaker 1: don't know him like you. I watch him from afar.
[10:08] Speaker 1: But I am also not stupid enough to not know
[10:11] Speaker 1: what is happening in and around all of our world,
[10:15] Speaker 1: which is that the sources of information, the types of
[10:19] Speaker 1: presentation has absolutely changed. There is more media than ever before,
[10:25] Speaker 1: and just last month in the world of podcasting, millions
[10:27] Speaker 1: and millions and millions of Australians are listening to podcasts
[10:32] Speaker 1: where it's not little TV segments, it's longer conversations, it's
[10:36] Speaker 1: informal conversations. The most popular are news updates or news conversations,
[10:43] Speaker 1: society and culture, sports, comedy and a lot of people
[10:46] Speaker 1: they love their true crime. And in Australia there are
[10:51] Speaker 1: incredibly successful podcasts that I don't think we spend enough
[10:54] Speaker 1: time talking about that have very significant sway in how
[11:00] Speaker 1: people view our society, view our country and yes at times,
[11:02] Speaker 1: view our politics. Here's the top ten of the podcasts
[11:05] Speaker 1: in Australia in the past month. Well under the team
[11:08] Speaker 1: here at Sky News because we are on the podium.
[11:12] Speaker 1: That is incredible for this organization. And as you know,
[11:15] Speaker 1: it's not just what you can see through the traditional TV.
[11:19] Speaker 1: We have absolutely led the way with millions of people
[11:22] Speaker 1: on YouTube and hundreds of thousands of people listening to
[11:26] Speaker 1: that News Update podcast, let alone the podcast of this
[11:28] Speaker 1: program and everything else. But you can see there's lots there.
[11:31] Speaker 1: From the ABC there's amazingly the se and Breakfast Show,
[11:34] Speaker 1: which according to the radio ratings isn't that popular, but
[11:37] Speaker 1: clearly online is doing something big. So I understand that
[11:41] Speaker 1: there is a new space, there is a new field,
[11:43] Speaker 1: there is a new place to plant your flag and
[11:46] Speaker 1: do what you want to do. But the reality of
[11:51] Speaker 1: that new world is that it is very difficult to
[11:54] Speaker 1: make money unless you have an absolutely stonking podcast it's
[12:00] Speaker 1: very difficult to be able to find subscribers, it's very sponsors,
[12:04] Speaker 1: it's very difficult to be able to earn enough money
[12:08] Speaker 1: to continue to put those productions together. But there are
[12:15] Speaker 1: thousands of people who do that, even more so the
[12:18] Speaker 1: people that I like, you follow and watch on Instagram,
[12:23] Speaker 1: and I know that the world is changing around us.
[12:27] Speaker 1: It's got to use a perfect example, as I say,
[12:29] Speaker 1: of an organization that has moved with the times, that
[12:33] Speaker 1: presents this content, all of our content, in as many
[12:36] Speaker 1: way as we possibly can, because that's where you are.
[12:42] Speaker 1: But the challenge, of course is if you like a creator,
[12:46] Speaker 1: it's one thing to follow them, It's one thing to
[12:48] Speaker 1: subscribe to them on YouTube, it's one thing to sign
[12:51] Speaker 1: a petition, but something that regardless of whether I agree
[12:56] Speaker 1: or disagree with the content, no, don't know like or
[12:59] Speaker 1: don't like the present, the reality is is that the
[13:02] Speaker 1: economy around being out on your own can be a
[13:06] Speaker 1: difficult place. So if you like a creator, in this case,
[13:10] Speaker 1: be it Carl, then when you have an opportunity to subscribe, subscribe.
[13:15] Speaker 1: When you have an opportunity to financially subscribe, financially subscribe. Otherwise,
[13:20] Speaker 1: all of this content on top of all of the
[13:22] Speaker 1: other content that you see will disappear. Now I know
[13:27] Speaker 1: how committed you are to what we do here at
[13:29] Speaker 1: sky News because so many of you pay for it.
[13:33] Speaker 1: Of course, at skynews dot com dot you you can
[13:36] Speaker 1: get the sky News app for just five bucks. But
[13:41] Speaker 1: that five dollars really matters because the more people who
[13:43] Speaker 1: pay for it, the more content we can make. So again,
[13:49] Speaker 1: like it, dislike it, love someone, dislike someone. If you
[13:53] Speaker 1: have an opportunity to support them, don't you support them
[13:55] Speaker 1: with the like. Don't you support them with a comment.
[13:58] Speaker 1: Don't just support them with a share, support them with
[14:00] Speaker 1: a subscription. So if the true Karl is the Carl
[14:04] Speaker 1: who is now before us when it comes to the podcast,
[14:07] Speaker 1: good luck. But at times it can be a lonely
[14:11] Speaker 1: place to poke the bear. You can, as I say,
[14:16] Speaker 1: lose friends at times, threats of lose money. There can
[14:20] Speaker 1: be organized groups who want to come for you. But
[14:25] Speaker 1: if you have the opportunity to financially support the people
[14:29] Speaker 1: that you love listening to, do it. Pay for a
[14:33] Speaker 1: subscription to the newspapers that you like, that you trust,
[14:38] Speaker 1: And again, thank you for doing that, Not for fifteen weeks,
[14:42] Speaker 1: not for fifteen months, but for fifteen years when it
[14:45] Speaker 1: comes to me and the wonderful people that I work
[14:48] Speaker 1: with each and every day, because of that support, because
[14:52] Speaker 1: of your financial support, I am able to be as
[14:55] Speaker 1: free as a bird to tell it like it is
[14:57] Speaker 1: each and every night, a privilege I will never take
[15:01] Speaker 1: for granted. Fire the Liar has made its way to Canberra.
[15:07] Speaker 1: Now remember we were in the early days telling you
[15:11] Speaker 1: that it had gone from five hundred thousand to a million,
[15:13] Speaker 1: a million of one million and a half, two and
[15:14] Speaker 1: a half, three and a half right now tonight four
[15:19] Speaker 1: point eight million. It has not stopped. It keeps growing
[15:24] Speaker 1: because just like I said, people are putting money where
[15:26] Speaker 1: their mouth is. They are putting money behind what they
[15:29] Speaker 1: believe in. And thankfully, you know, if everyone chips in
[15:33] Speaker 1: five bucks, then guess what you get to big numbers
[15:36] Speaker 1: like this, even though the Prime Minister, of course doubts
[15:39] Speaker 1: that that money actually exists.
[15:43] Speaker 2: She smashed you in the fundraising race, so she raised.
[15:45] Speaker 8: More than a million dollars.
[15:47] Speaker 1: She though, did she though? Did she? Whateverdence is there?
[15:52] Speaker 1: And of course it produced that great ad which was
[15:54] Speaker 1: played in front of millions of people watching State of
[15:56] Speaker 1: Origin over on Channel nine a couple of weeks ago.
[16:00] Speaker 6: Always been a man of my word, or we have
[16:02] Speaker 6: no plans to change negative gearing, or we've changed our position.
[16:06] Speaker 1: I stepped back one step. I didn't fall off the stage.
[16:10] Speaker 6: See reception was incredibly positive and not a single person
[16:14] Speaker 6: Heckle reducing power prices by two hundred and seventy five dollars.
[16:18] Speaker 3: That's a throughout life.
[16:19] Speaker 1: My word is my bond. Well, let's imagine they spent
[16:27] Speaker 1: a million dollars getting that out on TV. Pretty significant
[16:30] Speaker 1: amount of money's left over? How are some of it
[16:32] Speaker 1: spent today? By getting trucks with the fire the Lyre
[16:36] Speaker 1: message to turn up in Canberra and to go around
[16:40] Speaker 1: and around and around the Federal Parliament and the media
[16:42] Speaker 1: was there to eat it up. If you want to
[16:44] Speaker 1: see more of this, you keep donating, put your money
[16:46] Speaker 1: where your mouth is. Keep the campaign going to fire
[16:50] Speaker 1: the Lyre because you know, and I know it is
[16:52] Speaker 1: absolutely doing his head in. Pauline Hanson was out front
[16:56] Speaker 1: cheering it on to day.
[16:58] Speaker 5: How can you miss that, stop labor fire the lay liar,
[17:03] Speaker 5: And that's what we're saying, the liar. People have second
[17:07] Speaker 5: tied of this government who has not giving us accountability.
[17:11] Speaker 1: The budget they've handed it down.
[17:12] Speaker 5: It's going to Raken now, the seventy seven billion dollars
[17:15] Speaker 5: out of the pockets of astrands. He's just destroyed this nation.
[17:19] Speaker 5: People have had a gut fill good honor.
[17:22] Speaker 1: I love this campaign and I love the energy that
[17:25] Speaker 1: it has given Pauline Hanson and the excitement that it
[17:28] Speaker 1: has given all of us that there is somebody who's
[17:30] Speaker 1: not just rattling the cage, but it is working right now.
[17:33] Speaker 1: But of course those who find all of this quite deplorable,
[17:36] Speaker 1: quite disgusting, well they think they've worked out the way
[17:39] Speaker 1: to trip her up, to draw a line in the sand,
[17:41] Speaker 1: to bring this to an end, to stop the momentum.
[17:44] Speaker 1: And that is of course, at any and every opportunity
[17:47] Speaker 1: to bring up that word monoculture, because apparently that's the
[17:51] Speaker 1: new f word. The new f word is the M word.
[17:56] Speaker 1: And this is how the ABC did their bit for
[17:58] Speaker 1: the cause today.
[18:00] Speaker 7: That's what multiculturalism is like in your monoculture. Can people
[18:04] Speaker 7: speak a different language home, can they practice a different religion,
[18:07] Speaker 7: if they can any different foods, That is multiculturalism, isn't it.
[18:15] Speaker 1: Do you agree?
[18:17] Speaker 7: I really want to try and understand your version of
[18:20] Speaker 7: monoculture sounds like multipoward.
[18:22] Speaker 5: And Tony Abbott and other leaders around the world have
[18:24] Speaker 5: said multiculturalism doesn't work. Go and research that understand what happens.
[18:28] Speaker 5: A more current we are one nation, we are, We
[18:33] Speaker 5: are one nation, we are, and it should be one language.
[18:38] Speaker 1: More power. More power to you, sister. Four point eight
[18:41] Speaker 1: million bucks and counting via the lie of the website.
[18:45] Speaker 1: That's where you go off and you can again put
[18:47] Speaker 1: your money where your mouth is. The theme perhaps of
[18:49] Speaker 1: tonight's program speaking of other people's money being put where
[18:54] Speaker 1: their mouth is. Let's talk about the Victorian Premier, just
[18:57] Speaker 1: inter Allen. Now, of course she's leading a terrible government
[19:00] Speaker 1: that's done terrible things. But they've done this for a
[19:02] Speaker 1: long time. But they think they're going to be able
[19:04] Speaker 1: to fight their way out of a paper bag. They
[19:06] Speaker 1: think that at the end of the day, people will
[19:08] Speaker 1: trust the government they currently are and not risk those
[19:10] Speaker 1: terrible people in blue or the even more terrible people
[19:15] Speaker 1: in orange. Will you remember, of course the machete bin nonsense. Now,
[19:21] Speaker 1: of course these weapons should be off the streets. But
[19:23] Speaker 1: were the big song and dance and all the rest
[19:25] Speaker 1: of it. Well, some great reporting from The Herald's Son
[19:28] Speaker 1: and World. Doneder them because I spent a bit of
[19:30] Speaker 1: time telling you about these freedom of information requests where
[19:33] Speaker 1: you have to ask the government for what they wouldn't
[19:35] Speaker 1: tell you in a press conference. Many of the times
[19:37] Speaker 1: you have to pay for it, and eventually, eventually, when
[19:39] Speaker 1: they think nobody's looking, they get back to you. And
[19:42] Speaker 1: this is extraordinary because listen to some of the details
[19:46] Speaker 1: about the campaign to tell Victorians that the Victorian government
[19:50] Speaker 1: was finally doing something about knife crime.
[19:54] Speaker 2: Just center.
[19:54] Speaker 4: Allen's government used taxpayer money to buy machetes and hire
[19:59] Speaker 4: a production crew in Sydney to film ads promoting Victoria's
[20:03] Speaker 4: own machete man. It doesn't get better.
[20:06] Speaker 1: Than this, sorry. A production company from Sydney made the
[20:11] Speaker 1: ad for the machete bins in Victoria, where I'm sure
[20:16] Speaker 1: plenty of people with access to a beret would have
[20:18] Speaker 1: been able to pick up a camera for them, but
[20:20] Speaker 1: apparently not, and they couldn't find any machetes to put
[20:25] Speaker 1: in the ad. Please continue.
[20:29] Speaker 4: This invoice tells us that the Olen government spent one
[20:31] Speaker 4: hundred and sixty three thousand dollars for an eight hour
[20:34] Speaker 4: film shoot at Preston police station. But the next invoice
[20:38] Speaker 4: says Preston Police Station, which by the way, is open
[20:41] Speaker 4: twenty four hours, seven days a week, for some reason,
[20:44] Speaker 4: was unavailable at the time of the shoot. The invoice says,
[20:47] Speaker 4: rather than just film at another Victorian police station, the
[20:50] Speaker 4: Olen government spent an additional thirty seven thousand dollars to
[20:54] Speaker 4: hire a film crew in Sydney and shoot the ads
[20:56] Speaker 4: there instead.
[21:00] Speaker 1: And why weren't they machetes in Victoria in the police lockup?
[21:04] Speaker 4: They could have used some of that thirty seven thousand
[21:08] Speaker 4: dollars went toward purchasing machetes to be used as props
[21:12] Speaker 4: in this machete ban ad and transportation fees getting these
[21:16] Speaker 4: machetes to the crew to film the ads in Sydney
[21:18] Speaker 4: because for some reason, machetes couldn't be supplied for the ad.
[21:23] Speaker 4: When I asked the government about this, they told me
[21:25] Speaker 4: that because machetes were banned in Victoria, they couldn't buy
[21:29] Speaker 4: machetes here for their ads, so they had to buy
[21:31] Speaker 4: them in Sydney instead. This is our premiere justin to
[21:34] Speaker 4: Allen standing in front of a whole lineup of supplied
[21:37] Speaker 4: machetes at a press conference where she talked about the
[21:40] Speaker 4: machete ban earlier in the year. I wouldn't be supplied,
[21:43] Speaker 4: you say, adding those two invoices up comes to more
[21:45] Speaker 4: than two hundred thousand dollars.
[21:49] Speaker 1: Wow, what's the term about. You couldn't organize in a brewery.
[21:54] Speaker 1: They couldn't organize for a machete campaign applies here. And
[21:59] Speaker 1: speaking of state governments, as you will have noticed in
[22:02] Speaker 1: your local media, there has been a lot of coverage
[22:05] Speaker 1: of state budgets which have been handed down over the
[22:07] Speaker 1: past couple of weeks, particularly focus in Queensland, New South
[22:10] Speaker 1: Wales this week, but before that, of course the Victorian one.
[22:13] Speaker 1: But I've got to say one thing that always happens
[22:15] Speaker 1: in a state budget that just always leaves me just
[22:18] Speaker 1: with a little question mark in my head is how
[22:22] Speaker 1: can they ever accurately predict how many people are going
[22:26] Speaker 1: to break the law, how many people are going to
[22:28] Speaker 1: do the wrong thing. Well, that's exactly what all of
[22:32] Speaker 1: the state governments do, and they put it in their budgets,
[22:35] Speaker 1: and they bury it, and they change the titles and
[22:37] Speaker 1: they change where it is each and every year. But
[22:39] Speaker 1: I've seen enough of these where I kind of know
[22:41] Speaker 1: whether Heidi holes end up being, for example, you know
[22:44] Speaker 1: the traffic fines that inevitably will be taken up because
[22:48] Speaker 1: of the speed camera of the mobile phone camera. Oh,
[22:50] Speaker 1: but it's really about road safety, absolutely about road safety. Well,
[22:55] Speaker 1: the idea that Treasury can work out how many people
[22:57] Speaker 1: are going to break the law, but definitely not set
[23:00] Speaker 1: quota or an expectation about how many people need to
[23:02] Speaker 1: be caught for breaking the law again always astounds me.
[23:07] Speaker 1: In New South Wales, the total amount of money that
[23:09] Speaker 1: they expect to raise from fines including traffic fines eight
[23:13] Speaker 1: hundred and sixty million dollars, almost a billion dollars eight
[23:20] Speaker 1: hundred and sixty six in Victoria, virtually a billion dollars
[23:23] Speaker 1: in Queensland. Now again, how they magically know that this
[23:28] Speaker 1: many people are going to speed? Now maybe they go, well,
[23:30] Speaker 1: that's cause this many people sped last year. But jeez,
[23:32] Speaker 1: what a bet to make. And when the numbers were
[23:35] Speaker 1: as big as that, we are talking about the difference
[23:37] Speaker 1: between perhaps little bit of a surplus maybe in a
[23:40] Speaker 1: few years time, or a deficit that doesn't seem as
[23:44] Speaker 1: big as it really is. So in many ways their
[23:47] Speaker 1: ways say the government kind of needs people to break
[23:50] Speaker 1: the law. In order so they don't break their budgets.
[23:55] Speaker 1: But it's definitely not a quota. Definitely not a quota.
[23:59] Speaker 1: As you know, speaking about other people's money. You work hard.
[24:01] Speaker 1: We all pay too much tax and sadly much of
[24:04] Speaker 1: it goes to the people who rule us, like the
[24:06] Speaker 1: kings and queens amongst us, and they are paid, paying
[24:11] Speaker 1: media people to make bad social media videos of them
[24:16] Speaker 1: like this or this one.
[24:36] Speaker 2: All this, this seawall rocks, sea stairs are a big
[24:41] Speaker 2: step up.
[24:43] Speaker 3: We're really ramping things up.
[24:45] Speaker 2: I could park myself right here.
[24:49] Speaker 3: This beach really is golden and thanks for a big
[24:53] Speaker 3: investments in the Albanizer government, its future is secure.
[24:59] Speaker 1: You smart enough to vote for us, but you're not
[25:02] Speaker 1: smart enough for me to talk to you like an adult.
[25:04] Speaker 1: I see you through the square window. Yes, I know
[25:08] Speaker 1: that's wrong, perub and play school, but you get my point.
[25:11] Speaker 1: Lots to talk about tonight, including yep, more people with
[25:13] Speaker 1: their opinion on everything that's happening in and around the media.
[25:16] Speaker 1: I'm as bored as you are of the media talking
[25:17] Speaker 1: about the media, but there is something bigger going on here,
[25:19] Speaker 1: so we will continue to do so. Plus Winner and
[25:22] Speaker 1: Loser of the Week and then the wonderful and incredible
[25:24] Speaker 1: meeting Keller. You're gonna love this one because the nut
[25:27] Speaker 1: nutters are singing to the algae in Washington, DC because
[25:31] Speaker 1: take that Trump. Thank you very much for watching you
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[25:42] Speaker 1: That are you looking forward to being in Darwin on
[25:44] Speaker 1: Sunday for our town And a reminder, our doco comes
[25:47] Speaker 1: up on Wednesday, the first of July, celebrating two hundred
[25:50] Speaker 1: and fifty years of the United States. I'm going to
[25:53] Speaker 1: give you a little preview of it as we start
[25:55] Speaker 1: to get into things next week. But also I'm looking
[25:59] Speaker 1: forward to well being able to show you a great chat,
[26:02] Speaker 1: a great chat with Kid Rock. It's one of them
[26:06] Speaker 1: great moments I've had in camera. I look forward to
[26:08] Speaker 1: you seeing that in the doco, and then I'll have
[26:09] Speaker 1: some extra special stuff for you next week here on
[26:11] Speaker 1: the show plus online. Ross Kadell is a National Senator
[26:14] Speaker 1: for New South Wales with the National Party and he
[26:16] Speaker 1: joins us now in Canberra. Love you to see you, sir,
[26:19] Speaker 1: and May Darren Bunnett joins us in a moment or
[26:21] Speaker 1: two's time. Your thoughts on the great cancelation of Karl Stefanovic.
[26:29] Speaker 3: Well, it's like the refs are in the Australia Ali
[26:31] Speaker 3: refereeing one a line, isn't it. If he gote out
[26:33] Speaker 3: there and said something Andy Semic, you'd probably have a
[26:35] Speaker 3: contract by ABC on his death tomorrow. It's it's an
[26:39] Speaker 3: amazing thing that goes out there. If you're any say
[26:41] Speaker 3: anything conservative, or interview anyone conservative, you're a rubble maker.
[26:45] Speaker 3: You've got to have your contracts determined and everything like this.
[26:48] Speaker 3: It's a problem. It's censorship. I get it. Nine pays
[26:51] Speaker 3: his way. If they don't want to do it, they
[26:52] Speaker 3: don't have to, and they have that right to do it.
[26:55] Speaker 3: But I just I'm amazed the way that it is
[26:58] Speaker 3: just such a one way challenging as you've seen that yourself.
[27:01] Speaker 3: You've seen people get promoted and get things in the
[27:03] Speaker 3: world because they say the right things and play the games.
[27:07] Speaker 3: And you've said yourself and your stuff about the things
[27:09] Speaker 3: you don't get invited to, the opportunities you don't get
[27:11] Speaker 3: because you speak your mind. And it's a tough gig
[27:14] Speaker 3: out there. But we're entering this world where podcasters and
[27:16] Speaker 3: influencers are going out and saying that starting to get
[27:20] Speaker 3: a bit murky. Remember our thos playing influencers to go
[27:22] Speaker 3: into the budget lock up nowadays?
[27:24] Speaker 1: Yes, so you don't know, they don't.
[27:26] Speaker 3: Have to disclose it. I know I can watch it.
[27:27] Speaker 3: I can see you know, the clever range on your
[27:29] Speaker 3: show advertising, I can see who are your guys. I
[27:32] Speaker 3: know who owns your business. I know all this sort
[27:34] Speaker 3: of stuff. But who pays for these things in the background?
[27:37] Speaker 3: You don't know it, And I think it's a real
[27:39] Speaker 3: concern for both democracy but also JOURNALI isn't going forward.
[27:44] Speaker 1: Yeah, Look, I mean obviously part of the new world
[27:47] Speaker 1: is as many voices as possible being able to come
[27:49] Speaker 1: into the room. So again I don't have a problem
[27:50] Speaker 1: if you apply and get the invite. The problem, of course,
[27:53] Speaker 1: at recent times has been Yeah, the Labor Party have
[27:56] Speaker 1: paid for people to be able to make their way
[27:59] Speaker 1: to Canberra. They wouldn't do for any other version of
[28:01] Speaker 1: media because well there, I say, input in, Input out.
[28:05] Speaker 1: Darren is now in Sydney as well. Darren, your thoughts
[28:08] Speaker 1: on what is happening in and around the world of
[28:10] Speaker 1: media this evening.
[28:12] Speaker 8: Look, I'm surprised by it. You have to think there's
[28:15] Speaker 8: more to it, and whether it's there's been a number
[28:18] Speaker 8: of advisory discussions and he's crossed the line or something
[28:22] Speaker 8: like that. But in isolation, this absolutely does not look
[28:26] Speaker 8: like a sackable offense. And if it is, that's a
[28:29] Speaker 8: worry because as you know, I've said every time I've
[28:33] Speaker 8: been on this show forever that we can't stifle free speech,
[28:37] Speaker 8: and it's up to people. They can consume whatever media
[28:40] Speaker 8: they want, make up their own mind, absorb as much
[28:43] Speaker 8: information as you can, and as long as they're not
[28:45] Speaker 8: breaking the law in what they're doing, and that hasn't
[28:47] Speaker 8: happened here, then get on with it and everyone just
[28:51] Speaker 8: get on with their jobs. But there must be there
[28:54] Speaker 8: must be more to it.
[28:55] Speaker 1: All Right, enough of that, because again media talking about
[28:57] Speaker 1: the media. But let's get back to real stuff. Okay,
[29:01] Speaker 1: This bad budget becomes law after a deal with the
[29:03] Speaker 1: Greens ross at the very very very last minute because
[29:06] Speaker 1: they wanted David Pocock on side, and they certainly know
[29:09] Speaker 1: his power when it comes to social media, and we've
[29:11] Speaker 1: seen that when it comes to gas taxes. When he
[29:14] Speaker 1: started to point out hang on all this negative gear
[29:17] Speaker 1: and grandfathering doesn't that immediately cut out. If somebody gets
[29:21] Speaker 1: divorced or somebody dies, and if the property was in
[29:24] Speaker 1: one person's name, well then the surviving partner will instantly
[29:28] Speaker 1: ends up getting taxed. What was the panic like in
[29:31] Speaker 1: there today where they were trying to desperately, desperately put
[29:34] Speaker 1: a cork in that bottle?
[29:37] Speaker 3: This is why it was cut short. You know, I
[29:38] Speaker 3: feel like I'm a professional loser. All I've done this
[29:40] Speaker 3: week is shar up to votes that I've lost. So
[29:42] Speaker 3: it's so thanks and taxpayer for paying for me to
[29:44] Speaker 3: do that. It's but this is the amazing thing. They
[29:47] Speaker 3: come in, they rush this through, they gille it in it.
[29:49] Speaker 3: It's not like they're going to fix it and then
[29:51] Speaker 3: bring it through. They said, oh, no, trust us, we
[29:53] Speaker 3: fix it.
[29:53] Speaker 1: All very good.
[29:54] Speaker 3: It's we'll fix it next week. We'll fix at the
[29:56] Speaker 3: end of the year. We'll do this. Literally yesterday they
[29:59] Speaker 3: could Now there's something very close to you and me,
[30:02] Speaker 3: whether classic cars or vintage cars or collectible cars were
[30:05] Speaker 3: going to be taxed. They didn't know that yesterday. I
[30:07] Speaker 3: was able to clear that up today, So we got
[30:09] Speaker 3: lucky on that one. But on this tax, literally on settlement,
[30:13] Speaker 3: if you get a divorce, you fight with your partner,
[30:16] Speaker 3: you get of course, you get a settlement there and
[30:17] Speaker 3: Albo was going to put his hand out and say,
[30:19] Speaker 3: oh now I'll have mine. And they've realized that this
[30:22] Speaker 3: is a problem only at last minute. Can you imagine
[30:24] Speaker 3: a treasurer, a finance minister, a Prime minister not knowing
[30:27] Speaker 3: effects of their own law. So they've passed it through
[30:30] Speaker 3: as it stands today, as the law is, that is
[30:32] Speaker 3: still the case. They've promised to fix it in times
[30:35] Speaker 3: coming up, only because of god publicity, but right now,
[30:38] Speaker 3: unless something changes, that is the law. If you have
[30:42] Speaker 3: a partner pass away, if you get a divorce and
[30:44] Speaker 3: you get a settlement, you will actually retrigger a CGT event.
[30:48] Speaker 1: Unbelievable, Darren. Again, the politics in and around this, and
[30:52] Speaker 1: the thought of the government is oh, you know, finally
[30:53] Speaker 1: ticked done, it's all over. Problem is all of those
[30:57] Speaker 1: people that are realizing what the hair is on all
[30:59] Speaker 1: of this of them go away. Do you think that
[31:03] Speaker 1: they continue to suffer pain for this? Look?
[31:06] Speaker 8: I think now that when it passes the parliament a
[31:11] Speaker 8: bit of the heat comes out. Now it becomes the
[31:13] Speaker 8: implementation and we won't know the full impacts. People won't
[31:16] Speaker 8: have a full idea of what the changes mean, probably
[31:20] Speaker 8: for another twelve months or more. So certainly by the
[31:23] Speaker 8: time the next election comes around, people will cast their
[31:25] Speaker 8: vote on it. But the government will be pleased that
[31:28] Speaker 8: they've got a contentious bill through the Parliament and now
[31:32] Speaker 8: hopefully in their mind they can start talking about other things.
[31:36] Speaker 8: But I don't have a problem if the Parliament does
[31:38] Speaker 8: its job by having amendments and those amendments are adopted
[31:41] Speaker 8: by the government. That's been the case for governments and
[31:45] Speaker 8: parliaments for certainly the one hundred and twenty odd years
[31:49] Speaker 8: of post federation in Australia. So that's not news and
[31:52] Speaker 8: I'm sorry Ross, but unfortunately, when you're not the winners,
[31:55] Speaker 8: you don't win votes.
[31:58] Speaker 1: Yeah, it is a long road, all right. Now, let's
[32:01] Speaker 1: talk Darren about your perspective on two of the Teals
[32:04] Speaker 1: who are now going to get together form their own
[32:07] Speaker 1: version of a party. I don't know if anyone asks
[32:09] Speaker 1: them today whether they plan to run in one hundred
[32:12] Speaker 1: and fifty seats, because that, of course would mean they'd
[32:13] Speaker 1: be running against the existing Teals. I also like the
[32:18] Speaker 1: balls they had to wear Teal today, while they were
[32:21] Speaker 1: announcing this new movement. Of course, it's all about the
[32:24] Speaker 1: sensible center. It's all about giving people who are politically
[32:27] Speaker 1: homeless the place to go. But you were there way
[32:30] Speaker 1: back when it came to Karen Phelps first in Wentworth.
[32:34] Speaker 1: You've seen this move you've seen things from Jackie Lamby's perspective.
[32:40] Speaker 1: Do you think that the party will replace the individuals
[32:45] Speaker 1: or the individuals will have to compete with the party.
[32:50] Speaker 8: Look, I suspect that it's got a bit to do
[32:54] Speaker 8: with political fundraising laws that if you're a party there's
[32:58] Speaker 8: a bit more of an allowance in terms of fundraising,
[33:01] Speaker 8: and I think that'll all get written up in coming days.
[33:03] Speaker 8: It's not a secret, but I think that's part of
[33:06] Speaker 8: the motivation. I don't think it helps independence to be
[33:09] Speaker 8: part of a block or a party. I think the
[33:12] Speaker 8: whole point is that you were seen as a local
[33:15] Speaker 8: member of your community. So where I live in Wentworth,
[33:18] Speaker 8: a legal spender is very strong on issues that affect
[33:22] Speaker 8: the Jewish community. And that makes sense because one in
[33:25] Speaker 8: five voters or thereabouts is of Jewish background. So whereas
[33:31] Speaker 8: the seat of Warringa is a very different demographic makeup,
[33:35] Speaker 8: as are the other TiAl seats. Look, I don't love
[33:39] Speaker 8: the idea of them now having gone into a party.
[33:42] Speaker 8: I don't. It just doesn't quite work for me in
[33:45] Speaker 8: terms of what they're trying to sell as a product.
[33:48] Speaker 8: But equally, if they not necessarily this election, but sometimes
[33:52] Speaker 8: the next two elections, there's a possibility, if not a
[33:55] Speaker 8: high likelihood, that the Teals or the Independence or the
[33:59] Speaker 8: Cross Spench may well hold the balance of power. And
[34:03] Speaker 8: if they have some stability in their ranks that's generated
[34:06] Speaker 8: by becoming a party, that might give them some advantage
[34:10] Speaker 8: in the platform they put across the guarantee supply, but
[34:13] Speaker 8: we're nowhere near that point. As yet surprising move, But
[34:16] Speaker 8: I suspect it's all about fundraising.
[34:19] Speaker 1: But again, you know ross they always were. I mean,
[34:21] Speaker 1: if you all wear the same jersey, also the same thing.
[34:23] Speaker 1: I mean, it walks like you talks like Obviously we
[34:26] Speaker 1: know that when it comes to the mutual sources of funding.
[34:30] Speaker 1: But again, unless they're willing to serve up one hundred
[34:34] Speaker 1: and fifty candidates and one hundred and fifty electorates, if
[34:36] Speaker 1: they're going to be surgical about where we're going to
[34:38] Speaker 1: take out the right wing, this and the right wing
[34:39] Speaker 1: that well, then it's not a centrist party at all.
[34:43] Speaker 1: It is just what has been successful in multiple seats,
[34:46] Speaker 1: an attempt to noble the opposition, to noble the Liberal Party.
[34:51] Speaker 1: I also think one of the reasons they're doing it
[34:53] Speaker 1: is because the independent vote is about ten percent in Australia. Now,
[34:56] Speaker 1: I know there's lots of different versions of independent, you
[35:00] Speaker 1: can get about ten percent. Well, then you start to
[35:01] Speaker 1: get into Senate conversations that I think, as well as
[35:05] Speaker 1: fundraising laws is a big part of all of this. Again,
[35:08] Speaker 1: we will see this for what it is ross But
[35:11] Speaker 1: do you think the true test is will they stand everywhere?
[35:16] Speaker 3: I think we're in the second chapter of where they're at.
[35:18] Speaker 3: We've always thought they're a party in all effective ways,
[35:21] Speaker 3: central organization, central campaigning, data and everything like that. But
[35:24] Speaker 3: now they've got this formalization. I think both of what
[35:26] Speaker 3: you say is you're looking at the laws as they
[35:29] Speaker 3: will change at the end of this year. They've been
[35:30] Speaker 3: delayed now from June because you'll see how they go
[35:34] Speaker 3: on fundraising and as you say, this senate arrangement, are
[35:37] Speaker 3: they going to try and get a senator. It's a
[35:39] Speaker 3: really complicated stuff. You know, you see, we've seen the
[35:41] Speaker 3: rise of one nation, We've seen our vote decline, we've
[35:43] Speaker 3: seen Labors vote decline. The Greens are still polling up
[35:46] Speaker 3: in their vote. This is going to be there. It's
[35:48] Speaker 3: a really interesting point in Australian politics. But there's only
[35:51] Speaker 3: two of them now, so will others come across? Are
[35:54] Speaker 3: they sending these two out of the scouts on a
[35:55] Speaker 3: mission to see how it goes? It hasn't got as
[35:57] Speaker 3: much media as I thought. They haven't got a lot,
[35:59] Speaker 3: you know, not all over the world that this has happened,
[36:02] Speaker 3: because everyone always thought it was the case. But how's
[36:04] Speaker 3: it going to go? You know in six months time,
[36:06] Speaker 3: are they going to have ten Are they going to
[36:08] Speaker 3: have five of the independence come across? Because it really matters.
[36:11] Speaker 3: This could fizzle out as much as it could go big.
[36:13] Speaker 3: It could fail, but let's just see. Because they've never
[36:17] Speaker 3: been out there willing to attack labor seats, They've always
[36:20] Speaker 3: been going after Conservative seats. It's going to be an
[36:24] Speaker 3: interesting fight for them because I've just got a feeling
[36:27] Speaker 3: aligning yourself with labor is not the way to victory
[36:29] Speaker 3: in the next election as an independent?
[36:31] Speaker 8: Can I unders add to that? I think Ross is
[36:33] Speaker 8: correct that if they go after labor seats, there's probably
[36:36] Speaker 8: half a dozen. There's six to ten labor seats that
[36:39] Speaker 8: are winnable for teal style candidates. And if they're going
[36:43] Speaker 8: to run in the Senate and do it seriously, you've
[36:45] Speaker 8: got to have people running in the lower House, even
[36:48] Speaker 8: in seats you're not going to win, to hand out
[36:50] Speaker 8: and get people to vote for you in the Senate.
[36:53] Speaker 8: So they've got some interesting questions to answer as we
[36:57] Speaker 8: go forwards.
[36:58] Speaker 1: All right, lad's clock is ticking, so I from both
[37:00] Speaker 1: of you win or loser of the week ross who
[37:02] Speaker 1: does it for you win?
[37:05] Speaker 3: Unfortunately had to say Greens. Nick McKim proved years of
[37:08] Speaker 3: the real assistant Treasure of Australia by getting the changes through.
[37:11] Speaker 1: Yeah, tarrent I.
[37:13] Speaker 8: Was going to say Greens for the win as well.
[37:15] Speaker 8: So they've made themselves relevant on a key bill. The
[37:18] Speaker 8: government's got a couple of pathways to get things done.
[37:21] Speaker 8: This is the one they've used and the Greens could
[37:23] Speaker 8: chalk up a win.
[37:23] Speaker 1: Well, fingers crossues Soccaroos who get the win tomorrow, but
[37:26] Speaker 1: all of us get a win because let's bring back
[37:28] Speaker 1: an eighty style go Australia. Long lunch on a Friday
[37:31] Speaker 1: wherever you happen to be enjoy yourselves. Thank you, lads,
[37:33] Speaker 1: do appreciate it, all right, Quick break back with more
[37:35] Speaker 1: Meghan Kelly about the nutters who are celebrating algie in Washington,
[37:40] Speaker 1: DC because they hate charm. Thanks for watching our favorite
[37:48] Speaker 1: time of the week to talk to our favorite person
[37:50] Speaker 1: in the world, the one, the only, the wonderful Meghan Kelly.
[37:52] Speaker 1: Love you to see you, mate.
[37:53] Speaker 2: Great to be here now.
[37:54] Speaker 1: Who knew the latest Rawshack test for whether you're a
[37:57] Speaker 1: good or about American was the reflect at the front
[38:01] Speaker 1: of the Lincoln Memorial. I'll be honest, I don't care,
[38:04] Speaker 1: but every time I turn on American television, everyone seems
[38:08] Speaker 1: to be debating this.
[38:10] Speaker 5: Everybody's prowning you do mortified fascism than any American.
[38:19] Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you. That's the best summary of the problem
[38:27] Speaker 2: I've heard. It's it's the TDS. Really, This is TDS
[38:31] Speaker 2: in full bloom. The Algae's in full bloom, and so
[38:33] Speaker 2: is the TDS. First of all, they're very, very angry,
[38:37] Speaker 2: just that Trump is touching anything in Washington, the Kennedy Center,
[38:40] Speaker 2: the East wing of the White House, the National Parks,
[38:43] Speaker 2: I was down in DC two weeks ago. It's never
[38:46] Speaker 2: looked so beautiful, and I used to live there. I'll
[38:49] Speaker 2: tell you what was great about it. Trump has managed
[38:51] Speaker 2: to get all the fountains turned on again. It makes
[38:55] Speaker 2: such a difference. It's a small detail, but it's such
[38:57] Speaker 2: a nice difference down there. He is tending to the
[39:00] Speaker 2: National parks. He's insisting that they'd be clean. He's insisting
[39:03] Speaker 2: that they remove the homeless. He's insisting that we have policing.
[39:06] Speaker 2: It's it's running like a well oiled machine for the
[39:09] Speaker 2: first time in years. And instead of just being grateful,
[39:13] Speaker 2: they're angry because they have the TDS. And so now
[39:17] Speaker 2: he decided to redo the reflecting Pool, which was a disaster.
[39:20] Speaker 2: It was like leaking, and it needed to be redone,
[39:22] Speaker 2: like on its foundation, and the pipes needed to be redone.
[39:25] Speaker 2: And there was all this algae, which doesn't make it
[39:28] Speaker 2: very reflective. You know, it's between the Lincoln Memorial and
[39:30] Speaker 2: the Washington Memorial, and you're supposed to be able to
[39:32] Speaker 2: see the reflection of the Washington Memorial in it, but
[39:35] Speaker 2: you can't because of all the algae. So Trump, rather
[39:38] Speaker 2: than doing like some massive government bidding process which would
[39:41] Speaker 2: have taken four years. He higher, he called up the
[39:44] Speaker 2: guy who did his Bedford golf course and he's like,
[39:47] Speaker 2: could you come down and redo the pool like you
[39:50] Speaker 2: did at the golf course.
[39:52] Speaker 3: The guy happens to be a felon.
[39:54] Speaker 9: So it was kind of controversial, but like it's construction, Paul, like,
[39:58] Speaker 9: you know, fifty to fifty, you're gonna get somebody who
[40:01] Speaker 9: has not been wound up in the criminal justice system.
[40:04] Speaker 2: And so he hired the guy and he paid him
[40:07] Speaker 2: just slightly more than you know, would have been to
[40:10] Speaker 2: bit it out. I mean, honestly, it wasn't like very controversial,
[40:13] Speaker 2: and the guy and he wanted it done on a
[40:14] Speaker 2: quick basis because he wanted it nice for the fourth
[40:18] Speaker 2: and now people are literally paying homage to the algae,
[40:22] Speaker 2: singing to the algae.
[40:24] Speaker 3: They're singing they're not like us.
[40:28] Speaker 2: They don't have jobs, they don't have things to do,
[40:32] Speaker 2: so they sing to algae.
[40:34] Speaker 3: Same way.
[40:35] Speaker 2: They lined up to watch the Trump name come off
[40:38] Speaker 2: of the Kennedy Center, and Jim Acosta compared it, as
[40:42] Speaker 2: we discussed, to the Berlin Wall coming down. These people
[40:45] Speaker 2: are not well, that's that's the summary.
[40:48] Speaker 1: Now, speaking of crazy, the crazy has really taken ov
[40:51] Speaker 1: the far left wing of the Democratic Party. The primary
[40:55] Speaker 1: process to pick the candidates that go under the general election.
[40:59] Speaker 1: But because it's it means whoever wins the primary becomes
[41:03] Speaker 1: the local member of parliament. And some of these people
[41:06] Speaker 1: did sit lose.
[41:10] Speaker 2: They're all Democrat Socialists, which is just socialists, and they
[41:16] Speaker 2: all won in their primaries in Democrat districts and New
[41:20] Speaker 2: York City being overwhelmingly blue. You win the primary, you've won.
[41:24] Speaker 2: There's no Republican who's going to beat you. So these
[41:25] Speaker 2: people are effectively, you know, a shoe in and all
[41:29] Speaker 2: three are as radical as they come. So the Democrat
[41:31] Speaker 2: Socialists of America recently just reformed or revised its platform
[41:36] Speaker 2: like just a matter of weeks ago and made really
[41:39] Speaker 2: clear what they stand for, and it is that crazy truly.
[41:44] Speaker 2: They want to get rid of the US Senate. They
[41:47] Speaker 2: want to defund the Pentagon so we'll have no national defense.
[41:52] Speaker 2: You know, China sends some warships over or some aerial
[41:55] Speaker 2: attack and we are just exposed sitting ducks under their
[42:00] Speaker 2: world plan. They want to forget pack the Supreme Court.
[42:04] Speaker 2: They want to get rid of the Supreme Court and
[42:06] Speaker 2: get rid of the presidency and replace them with some
[42:10] Speaker 2: sort of hobbled boards that would answer only to Congress.
[42:15] Speaker 2: They want to defund the police and get rid of
[42:18] Speaker 2: the police. They want to open the prisons. They're against imprisonment.
[42:21] Speaker 2: And the one lunatic who is getting a lot of
[42:25] Speaker 2: the attention, Chevalier who's thirty two went to Columbia, has
[42:29] Speaker 2: converted to Islam, is a complete nutcase. She gave an
[42:33] Speaker 2: interview recently where the hypothetical was, what if there's a
[42:39] Speaker 2: man and he murders another man, should the perpetrator go
[42:43] Speaker 2: to prison? And she was like, what I think we
[42:46] Speaker 2: need to talk about is what kind of a system
[42:49] Speaker 2: produces a man who wants to kill another? Okay, I understand,
[42:53] Speaker 2: But back to the man who is dead, does he
[42:57] Speaker 2: get any justice? Is he entitled to see his family?
[43:00] Speaker 2: His perpetrator put in prison, like to go into a
[43:02] Speaker 2: court system, be tried for murder and put in prison potentially?
[43:06] Speaker 2: I think you're looking at it all wrong. It's the
[43:08] Speaker 2: system that we need to examine that it would have
[43:11] Speaker 2: produced me. Could you please be less abstract, said the reporter.
[43:15] Speaker 2: It was doing a good job, Like, please be less
[43:17] Speaker 2: abstracted and answer the question about whether the murder should
[43:19] Speaker 2: go to prison, Paul, she wouldn't do it. She never
[43:23] Speaker 2: said yes, or justice should play its part, even though
[43:26] Speaker 2: justice is too harsh sometimes whatever, it's a new level
[43:30] Speaker 2: of lunacy.
[43:32] Speaker 1: Now, I truly don't believe that there is this giant
[43:34] Speaker 1: jump to the left that is coming via the left
[43:37] Speaker 1: wing populism of people like Mendanni. We all know that
[43:39] Speaker 1: one of the ways he was able to get under
[43:41] Speaker 1: the radar or to break through the wall was promising
[43:45] Speaker 1: things like free buses hasn't happened, cheap groceries hasn't happened.
[43:49] Speaker 1: But it's all this other stuff that comes with it,
[43:51] Speaker 1: this idea about cleaning out prisons, abolishing the police, and
[43:55] Speaker 1: for some of these people, they literally mean no police. Right.
[44:00] Speaker 2: So here's what's interesting in this Chevalier's case. She was
[44:05] Speaker 2: not elected by blacks or Hispanics who are all over
[44:09] Speaker 2: her district. She was elected by Upper West Side whites
[44:15] Speaker 2: because that district covers the very northern tip of the
[44:18] Speaker 2: Upper west Side. And if you look at the New
[44:21] Speaker 2: York Times data on who voted for whom, it was
[44:24] Speaker 2: the Upper West Side whites who voted for this nutcase
[44:29] Speaker 2: blacks and Hispanics who are farther north in the Bronx,
[44:34] Speaker 2: understand that cops keep them safe. But you go twenty
[44:38] Speaker 2: five blocks north of that, and you need police desperately.
[44:42] Speaker 2: They need them on a daily basis. Just one final point.
[44:46] Speaker 2: An old boyfriend of mine back in the day, his
[44:49] Speaker 2: dad was a New York City cop, and his best
[44:51] Speaker 2: friend was a New York City cop. And that guy's
[44:53] Speaker 2: dad was a New York City cop. And those guys
[44:54] Speaker 2: in the Bronx, Paul, you ask most cops, Most cops
[44:57] Speaker 2: like where I am in Connecticut, they never draw gun.
[45:01] Speaker 2: That you can make it through twenty years as a cop,
[45:02] Speaker 2: and you never drive. Those guys in the Bronx they
[45:05] Speaker 2: draw their guns every day, every day. So they it's
[45:10] Speaker 2: nonsense to talk about getting rid of the police.
[45:14] Speaker 9: Like not defunding, not diminishing, not giving them a new rule.
[45:18] Speaker 2: Getting rid of that, there will be no police. And
[45:20] Speaker 2: so yeah, I'm sure this woman with her Columbia education
[45:25] Speaker 2: and her white constituents in the one hundred block will
[45:30] Speaker 2: be fine for a while. And I guess at some
[45:33] Speaker 2: level they might even feel bad about all the Hispanics
[45:35] Speaker 2: and the blacks dying as a result of their new policies,
[45:38] Speaker 2: but you know they won't do anything to change it
[45:41] Speaker 2: until it comes to their block.
[45:45] Speaker 1: She's the base making Kelly. Of course, you can find
[45:47] Speaker 1: her podcast all over the place and certainly beloved talking
[45:49] Speaker 1: her each and every week here at sky News. A reminder,
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[46:05] Speaker 1: Ford slack. I'm at the ARC conference in London and
[46:11] Speaker 1: a special cause this weekend that I'm more than happy
[46:13] Speaker 1: to support. Next It's been awesome to see Peter Kredlin
[46:21] Speaker 1: hanging out with people at the ARC conference in London
[46:24] Speaker 1: this week. Incredible conversations again highlights all at skyonies dot
[46:27] Speaker 1: com dot AU. Well, finally, a lefty has decided to
[46:32] Speaker 1: crash the party, unsurprisingly, particularly motivated by a very warm
[46:37] Speaker 1: day in the UK supposed to satarays that absolute joke.
[46:42] Speaker 3: We're in the hottest day of Yeah, we've broken get.
[46:46] Speaker 1: Right over the stage. Come on a jan two months
[46:49] Speaker 1: in a row and we're hearing a closs of yum
[46:53] Speaker 1: man yum man sort of. You would have thought that
[46:57] Speaker 1: the man one could have perhaps given away bad let's
[47:00] Speaker 1: give it away. But again we can't judge simply on appearances.
[47:04] Speaker 1: Here right now this weekend in the National Rugby League,
[47:08] Speaker 1: if you are going to the games, please buy a beanie.
[47:12] Speaker 1: This is a beanie for brain cancer. This is the idea,
[47:16] Speaker 1: of course of the Mark Hughes Foundation. I love this initiative.
[47:21] Speaker 1: If you remember we spoke to Mark. You used to
[47:23] Speaker 1: play for the Newcastle Knights when we did in ourtown
[47:26] Speaker 1: a couple of years ago in Newcastle. He of course
[47:29] Speaker 1: is living with and in the fight of his life
[47:32] Speaker 1: right now. But the money that is raised by this
[47:34] Speaker 1: and the hope is they can get to three million
[47:36] Speaker 1: dollars this weekend. Well again it goes to trying to
[47:40] Speaker 1: find a way to give people a better life with
[47:43] Speaker 1: it and to try to avoid the consequences of it
[47:46] Speaker 1: going into the future. The Mark Hughes Foundation is the
[47:50] Speaker 1: organization that is behind it all and you can donate
[47:53] Speaker 1: via their website, which is the Mark Hughesfoundation dot com
[47:57] Speaker 1: dot au. So buy a beanie and even if you've
[48:00] Speaker 1: already got a beanie, buy another beanie, and if you
[48:04] Speaker 1: aren't able to physically get to the game again, you
[48:06] Speaker 1: can buy those beanies and lots of places I believe
[48:09] Speaker 1: Low's is one of them that you can get them,
[48:11] Speaker 1: but certainly you can order them and get them at
[48:14] Speaker 1: the Mark Hughes Foundation's website Mark Hughesfoundation dot com dot au.
[48:18] Speaker 1: That's our show for tonight. What a massive week we've
[48:20] Speaker 1: got for you next week. All the usual guests, all
[48:22] Speaker 1: the big news, never pulling a punch. But remember the
[48:25] Speaker 1: centerpiece of it all is America to fifty. Trump's America
[48:28] Speaker 1: at two hundred and fifty. That is on Wednesday night
[48:31] Speaker 1: at eight o'clock. I can't wait for you to see it,
[48:33] Speaker 1: but make sure you hear at nine o'clock easton each
[48:35] Speaker 1: and every night. Go Tigers, Go Yankees, Ta da

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