# Paul Murray Live | 14 May

An episode of [Paul Murray Live](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/376966263), 14 May 2026, 49 min.

Audio: https://p.podderapp.com/2544644999/traffic.omny.fm/d/clips/2fb3740d-3436-44af-8cc0-a91900716aa5/be3abd48-25e5-45a6-aede-ac2a00524a12/9e626634-22dc-40db-9e37-b44a016b7ca8/audio.mp3?utm_source=Podcast&in_playlist=95971714-8fe6-4855-b1fe-ac2a00524a12

The Coalition proposes a net migration cap, families say they’re going backwards by $4,000 a month amid the cost-of-living crisis. Plus, Jacqui Lambie announces medical leave until 2026. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:00] Speaker 1: From the skying setter.
[0:02] Speaker 2: This is Paul Burry Live. Thank you Sherry, Thank you gang. Welcome,
[0:08] Speaker 2: come on into the man cave. We've got a lot
[0:09] Speaker 2: to do tonight. So Angus Taylor had one heck of
[0:12] Speaker 2: a bar to cover. He passed it with a big
[0:16] Speaker 2: speech tonight. The budget in reply, So five things you
[0:20] Speaker 2: need to know about this. Then we talked to the
[0:22] Speaker 2: man himself. Right off the top, some big news for
[0:24] Speaker 2: one nation. I'll get to that as well tonight. Some
[0:26] Speaker 2: brand new poles. So five things about Taylor's speech. I
[0:32] Speaker 2: liked that he focused on some solutions, not just the
[0:35] Speaker 2: normal laundry list of opposition leader complaints. He's put in
[0:38] Speaker 2: place some big ideas, some good ideas, some cutthrough ideas.
[0:44] Speaker 2: And again it doesn't matter whether you're going to see
[0:46] Speaker 2: these things in bite sized chunks on social media or
[0:49] Speaker 2: whether you saw the speech in full. This is a
[0:53] Speaker 2: collection of ideas to start the fight, like he says,
[0:56] Speaker 2: starts this evening, and that being the path back to
[1:00] Speaker 2: and then from trust back to government. He's put some
[1:02] Speaker 2: of those big ideas. We will discuss them with Angus
[1:05] Speaker 2: Taylor in a moment. Number two, the plan to end
[1:09] Speaker 2: mass migration put simply, rather than setting a number in
[1:13] Speaker 2: the budget, which is always garbage and they always end
[1:16] Speaker 2: up overshooting it. The reality of a tailor government would
[1:20] Speaker 2: be there will be as many people coming into the
[1:23] Speaker 2: country as there are new places for them to live.
[1:28] Speaker 2: For example, last year, Australia built one hundred and sixty
[1:32] Speaker 2: eight thousand and fifty new homes, talking about everything from
[1:36] Speaker 2: houses granny flats units. One hundred and sixty eight thousand.
[1:41] Speaker 2: That would be the number that an Angus Taylor government
[1:44] Speaker 2: would have as migration coming in in any one year. Obviously,
[1:49] Speaker 2: the more you build, the more people. The less you build,
[1:52] Speaker 2: the fewer people. Also a plan that no doubt will
[1:55] Speaker 2: get many heads exploding on the far left. There are
[1:59] Speaker 2: about seventy thousand people in Australia who shouldn't be here.
[2:01] Speaker 2: Why because their visas have run out. They are just overstaying.
[2:05] Speaker 2: The plan is for them to go and for anyone
[2:09] Speaker 2: to get access to the Australian welfare system. Guess what
[2:12] Speaker 2: you actually have to be an Australian citizen. Important point
[2:16] Speaker 2: here that will be missed by many who will try
[2:19] Speaker 2: to scandalize that policy to anyone who is currently in
[2:22] Speaker 2: the country currently not a citizen but currently receiving some
[2:27] Speaker 2: sort of benefits. Just like Labour's negative gearing thing, you
[2:30] Speaker 2: will be grandfathered, so the system will not affect a
[2:34] Speaker 2: single person in the Chinese or Indian diaspora. A lot
[2:38] Speaker 2: of questions about that being placed to Angus Taylor on
[2:41] Speaker 2: the ABC or anywhere else. Instead, that will apply from
[2:46] Speaker 2: day one of a Taylor coalition government number three. He
[2:50] Speaker 2: offered a case for hope outside of that damn triangle
[2:54] Speaker 2: of dependence. The triangle of dependence for those that might
[2:57] Speaker 2: be new to the show, is what labor builds. They've
[3:00] Speaker 2: done it in many states, principally Victoria. They want to
[3:02] Speaker 2: do it federally because if this is the way the
[3:05] Speaker 2: country works, then the majority of it always votes for
[3:08] Speaker 2: the Labor Party. If people are working for the government,
[3:11] Speaker 2: they vote for the Labor Party. The more people who
[3:14] Speaker 2: are dependent on government for welfare they vote for the
[3:17] Speaker 2: Labor Party. The more business whose biggest client is government,
[3:21] Speaker 2: they vote for the Labor Party. He made quite the
[3:24] Speaker 2: case for a world outside of that, a world where
[3:27] Speaker 2: if you're in small business, if you work for yourself,
[3:30] Speaker 2: if you're a self funded retiree. That's the focus of
[3:33] Speaker 2: making sure that yes, there does have to be people
[3:37] Speaker 2: who work for a government, and yes there'll be people
[3:39] Speaker 2: reliant on a government, and yes there are contracts from government,
[3:42] Speaker 2: but it shouldn't be the whole point of government, all right.
[3:45] Speaker 2: Number four, and this is the biggie. There's going to
[3:49] Speaker 2: be a permanent rolling tax cut, or another way of
[3:51] Speaker 2: putting it, the end of bracket creep for most workers.
[3:55] Speaker 2: I'll get Angus Taylor to explain how this happens, but
[3:57] Speaker 2: put simply, when you link tax to inflation, you avoid
[4:03] Speaker 2: bracket creep because one of the many ways that the
[4:05] Speaker 2: government is able to turn around and go, look at
[4:08] Speaker 2: this sixty eight cents a day we get to give
[4:10] Speaker 2: you because they know that the inevitability of inflation not
[4:15] Speaker 2: pay rises. Inflation means slowly but surely you will earn
[4:20] Speaker 2: a little. Sorry, you will have to pay a little
[4:22] Speaker 2: more when it comes to tax, and then eventually you
[4:25] Speaker 2: start tipping over into the next bracket of taxation. This
[4:29] Speaker 2: is a big idea. It's one that I think is
[4:31] Speaker 2: going to move the needle apart from anything else. And
[4:35] Speaker 2: fifth and final, but most important for many, getting rid
[4:38] Speaker 2: of Chris Bowen's empire of net zero Angus Taylor is
[4:43] Speaker 2: the opposition leader. He will join us on Monday night
[4:47] Speaker 2: for many more of the nuts and bolts. We had
[4:50] Speaker 2: a chance to speak just before the program began in
[4:53] Speaker 2: Canberra about the biggest speech of his life.
[4:58] Speaker 1: I felt great, Paul.
[5:00] Speaker 3: We've got a big fight ahead of us, against Labour's
[5:02] Speaker 3: toxic taxes, against net zero ideology that's making energy unaffordable
[5:08] Speaker 3: in this country, Against migration policies that are putting young
[5:12] Speaker 3: Australians out of our home and against a government that
[5:16] Speaker 3: doesn't put Australians first. But we have laid out a
[5:20] Speaker 3: clear plan to address those issues and to get aspiration
[5:25] Speaker 3: back to the center of our economy and our country,
[5:28] Speaker 3: and to restore our standard of living and protect our
[5:30] Speaker 3: way of life, which is what I stand for and
[5:32] Speaker 3: what I came into this job to do.
[5:34] Speaker 2: Now we've got the whole hour with you on Monday
[5:36] Speaker 2: questions from around the country, so we'll get into a
[5:38] Speaker 2: little more detail. But let's bang through the big announcements here.
[5:42] Speaker 2: What does indexing taxation to inflation mean in practical terms,
[5:49] Speaker 2: Where does it kick in in terms of how much
[5:51] Speaker 2: you earn? And how does it change from what we
[5:54] Speaker 2: currently experience how would you change the tax system for
[5:57] Speaker 2: the vast majority of workers.
[6:01] Speaker 3: Well, the reality, Paul, is that inflation means that people
[6:05] Speaker 3: are paying higher and higher taxes every single year.
[6:09] Speaker 1: And it's even.
[6:10] Speaker 3: Worse than that because you get pushed up into higher
[6:13] Speaker 3: tax brackets. More of your money goes up into a
[6:15] Speaker 3: higher tax bracket. See, your tax rate goes up. And
[6:18] Speaker 3: labor loves this because they get more money. It's fantastic.
[6:21] Speaker 3: And when inflation goes higher, they get even more money.
[6:25] Speaker 1: So if you take a typical worker.
[6:27] Speaker 3: On seventy thousand dollars, they'll lose two hundred and fifty
[6:31] Speaker 3: dollars next year, then five hundred the year after, than
[6:33] Speaker 3: seven hundred and fifty the year after that, and a
[6:36] Speaker 3: thousand the year after that, and so on and so on.
[6:39] Speaker 3: And that's at two and a half percent inflation. If
[6:41] Speaker 3: you double the inflation to where it is now five percent,
[6:44] Speaker 3: they lose five hundred in the first year one thousand
[6:47] Speaker 3: and fifteen hundred and two thousand, and it keeps going.
[6:49] Speaker 3: This is the thief in the night, and it's why
[6:51] Speaker 3: so many Australians feel poorer right now, Paul, because they
[6:57] Speaker 3: don't see this one. It doesn't go to an election.
[6:59] Speaker 3: It's not a taxing increase that has gone to an election.
[7:02] Speaker 3: It's not a tax increase that's announced. It's just a
[7:04] Speaker 3: tax increase that means there's less money in your bank
[7:08] Speaker 3: account as a result.
[7:09] Speaker 1: So what are we going to do.
[7:11] Speaker 3: We will raise the tax thresholds with inflation, which means
[7:15] Speaker 3: that stops, there'll be no more of it, and we
[7:19] Speaker 3: don't have this automatically increasing taxes making Australians poorer.
[7:24] Speaker 2: So more of our money for us means less money
[7:27] Speaker 2: for government. So inevitably the numbers are going to fluctuate
[7:32] Speaker 2: again depending on what the inflation rate is at any
[7:34] Speaker 2: one time. But what are some of the things that
[7:38] Speaker 2: you're just going to pull the pin on as a
[7:41] Speaker 2: way of saying, Okay, we don't need to be spending
[7:44] Speaker 2: money on that.
[7:46] Speaker 1: Well, there's four areas, Paul.
[7:49] Speaker 3: The first is, as we announced this morning that we
[7:54] Speaker 3: will be disc we won't be providing in the future
[7:56] Speaker 3: welfare to non citizens. It will be grand fad for the
[8:00] Speaker 3: current group, but no more in the future. So if
[8:03] Speaker 3: you're not a citizen, you don't get access to our
[8:06] Speaker 3: seventeen welfare programs that we've laid out today. And that's
[8:10] Speaker 3: a very significant saving for the budget. Secondly, we're going
[8:16] Speaker 3: to end the climate bureaucracy, get rid of the zero authority,
[8:20] Speaker 3: get rid of the green hydrogen projects, and there's billions
[8:23] Speaker 3: of billions of savings in that. Third, we will get
[8:27] Speaker 3: rid of Labour's housing bureaucracy. I mean they've established a
[8:31] Speaker 3: whole series of programs and bureaucracy around trying to increase
[8:36] Speaker 3: the number of houses, and the number of houses has
[8:39] Speaker 3: gone Downpaul, So that's all got to go. That's all
[8:43] Speaker 3: got to go. And then we'll get rid of corporate welfare.
[8:46] Speaker 3: They're giving money to companies that off and offshore and
[8:51] Speaker 3: certainly whilst it's happening, we're seeing industry moving offshore in
[8:56] Speaker 3: this country. The way to get more industry in this
[8:58] Speaker 3: country is get energy price us down, make it a
[9:01] Speaker 3: good place to invest, get approvals through quickly, and we
[9:05] Speaker 3: know you will see the investment we want to see
[9:07] Speaker 3: in manufacturing.
[9:08] Speaker 1: We don't need these government programs. It can all go poor.
[9:12] Speaker 2: Yeah. I think everyone watching this show already knows the
[9:15] Speaker 2: issues with this relentless amount of people that have come
[9:18] Speaker 2: to the country. It's not a comment on the people themselves.
[9:21] Speaker 2: It's about the numbers and the pressures that are the
[9:24] Speaker 2: result of everything from bidding for a house, renting a house, hospitals,
[9:29] Speaker 2: you name it right, But I noticed that you haven't
[9:32] Speaker 2: put a number here. Currently the government is saying, you know,
[9:35] Speaker 2: it's going to be somewhere between two hundred and three hundred.
[9:38] Speaker 2: One nation basically is sort of getting close to zero
[9:42] Speaker 2: or maybe up to our hundred. Previous coalition governments have
[9:45] Speaker 2: been somewhere between one hundred and two hundred. When do
[9:48] Speaker 2: we know the number and in which direction should that
[9:52] Speaker 2: number be? Well?
[9:55] Speaker 3: Can I be very clear on this. It will be
[9:57] Speaker 3: based on the housing we have available.
[9:59] Speaker 1: That will the number. It cannot be above that.
[10:02] Speaker 3: And this will be the first time in Australian history
[10:06] Speaker 3: Paul where a government has said it's very simple. We
[10:11] Speaker 3: look at the number of houses that are getting built
[10:14] Speaker 3: and we will cap immigration to reflect that so we
[10:18] Speaker 3: never again get into the situation that we've been in
[10:22] Speaker 3: recent years where the number of people coming into the
[10:25] Speaker 3: country vastly exceeds the availability of the capacity to house
[10:31] Speaker 3: those people. Paul, it will never happen again. Now if
[10:34] Speaker 3: you look, if you look at what's happening right now,
[10:38] Speaker 3: we're on about three hundred and fifteen thousand a year.
[10:41] Speaker 3: There's nowhere near the government's own targets. Is way above
[10:44] Speaker 3: their own targets. It's about eighty thousand a year above
[10:47] Speaker 3: their own targets have got up to five hundred and
[10:49] Speaker 3: fifty thousand a couple of years back. We need to
[10:53] Speaker 3: be way below that, something like at least forty percent
[10:57] Speaker 3: below where the current level is right now, seventy percent
[11:02] Speaker 3: below where at peak that will be down in the
[11:04] Speaker 3: one hundred thousands. I think you've been very generous to
[11:08] Speaker 3: one nation. I think they've been very unclear about what
[11:10] Speaker 3: their net overseas migration number will be, which is the
[11:13] Speaker 3: key number here that is relevant for housing. But we
[11:17] Speaker 3: must never allow more people in than we have houses
[11:21] Speaker 3: available to housing. Well, thanks Taylor, thank you.
[11:23] Speaker 2: I do appreciate the chat tonight Again Monday night, you'll
[11:25] Speaker 2: be hearing the studio answering questions from the audience. Appreciated.
[11:28] Speaker 2: Thanks for talking to us on such a big night.
[11:32] Speaker 2: Good to be with you. If you have questions about
[11:35] Speaker 2: any of the ideas that have just been put on
[11:37] Speaker 2: the table, we've got a couple of spaces to squeeze
[11:40] Speaker 2: them in we'd love to get you on cameras, so
[11:42] Speaker 2: don't send us an email saying, oh, look, I've just
[11:44] Speaker 2: got a question, but I don't want to ask it
[11:45] Speaker 2: on cap Hey, it's okay. We'll all take care of
[11:48] Speaker 2: you on the one holding your hand. Okay. So if
[11:50] Speaker 2: you've got a question about any of these budget ideas,
[11:52] Speaker 2: about any of the stuff that's come forward when it
[11:55] Speaker 2: comes to the government this week, please pub test at
[11:57] Speaker 2: sky news dot com. That are you pub testedt sky
[11:59] Speaker 2: news dot com You Angus Taylor. Monday night in the
[12:02] Speaker 2: man Cave. There is some massive news as well which
[12:08] Speaker 2: has just dropped out of the One nation world. And
[12:12] Speaker 2: while a week is a long time in politics, just
[12:14] Speaker 2: a couple of days can be a wildly long time
[12:17] Speaker 2: in politics. Because of course we now know that the
[12:21] Speaker 2: Prime Minister and the Treasurer who've been out and about
[12:23] Speaker 2: selling the bs of the budget all week, well, it
[12:26] Speaker 2: doesn't look like it's going to move the needle. Obviously,
[12:29] Speaker 2: we know the week was not one that started well
[12:32] Speaker 2: for the Liberal Party ends better with their performance that
[12:35] Speaker 2: we've just discussed with Angus Taylor after what happened in Farah,
[12:39] Speaker 2: and of course the one's absolutely running hot at the
[12:42] Speaker 2: moment is One Nation. They won that lower House seat.
[12:45] Speaker 2: They have been absolutely thumping it and as we speak
[12:48] Speaker 2: Pauline Hansen has just dropped her budget in reply, I'll
[12:51] Speaker 2: show you that in a moment. Why am I waiting
[12:54] Speaker 2: for that? Because the bigger news is One Nation is
[12:57] Speaker 2: now the most pop u political party in the country
[13:04] Speaker 2: as in and is within two points two party preferred
[13:07] Speaker 2: of the Labor Party one point of a fifty to
[13:10] Speaker 2: fifty election. The Morgan Pole has shown a surge of
[13:14] Speaker 2: ten and a half points for One Nation in about
[13:20] Speaker 2: a week. All of that because of Parah. The coalition
[13:24] Speaker 2: clearly the big losers out of it, as has been Labor.
[13:27] Speaker 2: Now remember Labour's numbers at the federal election were sort
[13:30] Speaker 2: of closer to thirty two thirty three. They would still
[13:33] Speaker 2: obviously win an election fifty one forty nine, but there
[13:36] Speaker 2: would be a change, a substantial change, if this two
[13:40] Speaker 2: party preferred ended up being a real thing. As you
[13:43] Speaker 2: can see, the Greens are basically the same the preferences,
[13:46] Speaker 2: and the only way the One Nation would end up
[13:48] Speaker 2: in the competitive spot and get towards that forty nine
[13:51] Speaker 2: percent is if basically all of the coalition got in
[13:54] Speaker 2: behind one nation, and a portion of labor got in
[13:58] Speaker 2: behind one nation. If everything was exactly the same as
[14:00] Speaker 2: the last federal election, well it would end up looking
[14:03] Speaker 2: exactly like this two party preferred which off this opinion poll.
[14:07] Speaker 2: If it's a coalition that finishes in front of one nation,
[14:09] Speaker 2: it is fifty five forty five. That is exactly the
[14:12] Speaker 2: same as the result from last year's election. But if
[14:16] Speaker 2: one nation finishes in front of the coalition, there's a
[14:20] Speaker 2: chance it gets to fifty one forty nine, an extraordinary
[14:25] Speaker 2: number to see one pole wait for a trend, But
[14:29] Speaker 2: the trend is well and truly in one Nation's favor
[14:32] Speaker 2: as we speak. Its leader, Pauline Hansen, has been on
[14:35] Speaker 2: her feet tonight as Angus Taylor was speaking in the
[14:38] Speaker 2: Lower House as we were reviewing his speech on the program.
[14:42] Speaker 2: She has just finished delivering her budget in reply speech
[14:46] Speaker 2: that happened in the Senate tonight. My team has been
[14:50] Speaker 2: just growing extra arms and legs to get across everything tonight,
[14:53] Speaker 2: and I really appreciate the super producers behind the scenes
[14:56] Speaker 2: here because they are absolutely they've done a great thing.
[15:00] Speaker 2: Including this is the section of her budget in reply speech,
[15:04] Speaker 2: which again just a couple of minutes ago finishes about
[15:06] Speaker 2: intergenerational wealth and the fraud at the heart of the
[15:10] Speaker 2: federal budget.
[15:12] Speaker 4: Real intergenerational equity means giving young Australians the same opportunities
[15:17] Speaker 4: their parents had, the chance to own a home, raise
[15:21] Speaker 4: a family, start a business and get ahead through hard work.
[15:25] Speaker 4: Young people are not struggling because older generations succeeded. They
[15:31] Speaker 4: are falling behind because governments have chosen subsidies and wealth
[15:35] Speaker 4: redistribution over allowing free enterprise to flourish.
[15:41] Speaker 2: Hellelujah. In terms of announcements, yeah, they were there. If
[15:44] Speaker 2: anyone tells where's the here's the policy, particularly for anyone
[15:48] Speaker 2: who wants to build something.
[15:51] Speaker 4: More than forty percent of the cost of building a
[15:54] Speaker 4: new home as government taxes and unnecessary compliance costs. One
[15:59] Speaker 4: nation will take a different approach. We will slash the
[16:03] Speaker 4: GST to zero and building materials for homes up to
[16:07] Speaker 4: a value of one million dollars for the next five years.
[16:11] Speaker 2: And an idea that has proved rather popular. Certainly last
[16:14] Speaker 2: election it was able to get extra senators and not
[16:16] Speaker 2: just Malcolm Roberts re elected in Queensland, but Western Australian
[16:20] Speaker 2: New South Wales as well. As well as getting Lee
[16:22] Speaker 2: Hanson very close. And there's some very good news for
[16:24] Speaker 2: Lee Hanson today about her chances of getting into the
[16:27] Speaker 2: Senate of the next federal election. It's the idea of
[16:30] Speaker 2: income splitting.
[16:32] Speaker 4: We will introduce income splitting for every family with at
[16:36] Speaker 4: least one dependent child. A single earner on one hundred
[16:41] Speaker 4: and twenty thousand dollars with a stay at home partner
[16:44] Speaker 4: would be around nine and a half thousand dollars a
[16:46] Speaker 4: year better off. We will exempt insurance from the GST,
[16:51] Speaker 4: and we urged the states to drop stamp duty on
[16:54] Speaker 4: it as well. Affordable insurance ultimately reduces burdens on taxpayers.
[17:01] Speaker 4: We will allow age pensioners and veterans to work as
[17:04] Speaker 4: much as they want without losing any of their pensions
[17:07] Speaker 4: or health care card benefits.
[17:10] Speaker 2: And if all of that is a bit formal for
[17:12] Speaker 2: you here sheu was earlier in the day, Labour.
[17:15] Speaker 4: Talks about resilience. That's their budget is about to me.
[17:20] Speaker 4: They've delivered a shit sandwich and we've now got to
[17:23] Speaker 4: eat it.
[17:25] Speaker 2: And the chefs in this case, of course, the Prime
[17:27] Speaker 2: Minister and his doctor of spin Jim Charmers again out
[17:32] Speaker 2: and about on the sales pitch today all of the times.
[17:36] Speaker 2: Of course, we know that they have been in a
[17:38] Speaker 2: world of trouble. Well, today the media didn't stop asking
[17:42] Speaker 2: the obvious.
[17:44] Speaker 5: Now when it comes to negative gearing, we've made it
[17:48] Speaker 5: very clear that that's not something that we are proposing.
[17:52] Speaker 5: We have a broad and ambitious housing policy already and
[17:56] Speaker 5: those changes aren't part of it.
[17:58] Speaker 2: Can you rule out any changes totive gearing and capital
[18:01] Speaker 2: gains tax?
[18:02] Speaker 6: How hard is it for the fiftieth tablement?
[18:05] Speaker 7: I reel out, Really, I have responded to that lots
[18:09] Speaker 7: of time.
[18:11] Speaker 2: Hearing and property taxes this too on East.
[18:13] Speaker 7: Well, what we're doing is doing the legislation that we
[18:17] Speaker 7: had before the Senate. So I talk about what we're doing,
[18:21] Speaker 7: not what we're not doing. I told people we wouldn't
[18:24] Speaker 7: make changes the proofs in the putting.
[18:25] Speaker 8: Andrew negative gearing is off the table.
[18:29] Speaker 7: Yeah, it's off the table.
[18:30] Speaker 9: Are you considering altering the capital gains tax discount in
[18:33] Speaker 9: this country?
[18:34] Speaker 7: What we're considering doing is handing out a budget Andrew
[18:38] Speaker 7: on the second Tuesday in May.
[18:40] Speaker 1: So no CGT change.
[18:43] Speaker 7: Our focus, as I've said, is tax cuts.
[18:47] Speaker 9: I assume you wouldn't take a change like CGT.
[18:50] Speaker 1: To a budget not long after elected.
[18:52] Speaker 9: If you're going to change something like that, you would
[18:54] Speaker 9: feel you'd have to take it to an election, wouldn't you.
[18:56] Speaker 7: Well, we're focused on the tax cuts that will come
[18:59] Speaker 7: in on Lie one, like.
[19:01] Speaker 2: You know the lie, right, but you got to see
[19:04] Speaker 2: it and you've got to see it over and over
[19:05] Speaker 2: again because fediacum again, there is a whole bunch of
[19:09] Speaker 2: people trying to pretend this never happened. We never said
[19:12] Speaker 2: and because we did the exact foot like like trying
[19:14] Speaker 2: to really squeeze through the crack in the wall here, Well,
[19:18] Speaker 2: it ain't going to happen. Petty Credlin did a great
[19:21] Speaker 2: breakdown of this tonight, but if you missed her in
[19:23] Speaker 2: question time today there was a ludicrous intervention from the
[19:28] Speaker 2: supposedly independent but of course, at the end of the
[19:31] Speaker 2: day Labor Speaker, because Tim Wilson, the Shadow Treasurer, wanted
[19:36] Speaker 2: to call them out for the lies. You just saw
[19:40] Speaker 2: Labor lied. Yeah, no problem, right, Oh, but apparently that word,
[19:47] Speaker 2: the L word, not acceptable in Canberra.
[19:52] Speaker 10: Now I'm going to deal with this issue. I'm not
[19:54] Speaker 10: comfortable with that term, and I refer to speakers ruling
[19:58] Speaker 10: on the eighteenth of February and two with the reference
[20:02] Speaker 10: of parties lying. So I'm just going to ask I
[20:05] Speaker 10: raised this yesterday, but if we're going to have this
[20:07] Speaker 10: term being used, Speaker Causely, Deputy Speaker Causely informed the
[20:12] Speaker 10: member he cannot refer to either political parties or individuals
[20:16] Speaker 10: as being lies.
[20:17] Speaker 2: I just want to be careful with that language. Well no, no, no, no,
[20:21] Speaker 2: because a Deputy Speaker in two thousand and two said no, no,
[20:25] Speaker 2: you can't. My hands are tired. I'm sorry, I can't
[20:27] Speaker 2: do it and it's time. I just can't do anything.
[20:30] Speaker 2: This is a court of law, not a parliament where
[20:33] Speaker 2: we kind of make it up as we go along.
[20:36] Speaker 2: So Tim Wilson, of course found a different way to
[20:38] Speaker 2: say the obvious.
[20:41] Speaker 11: Labor, misled, deceived, untruthed as two Australians of our plans
[20:48] Speaker 11: to tax them more.
[20:50] Speaker 2: But guess what the very man Cameron Dick, the Speaker
[20:56] Speaker 2: of the House, who was trying there to sorry Milton
[21:02] Speaker 2: was trying to rule the word lie out, has been
[21:08] Speaker 2: the Speaker for some period of time. In fact, he
[21:11] Speaker 2: was the Speaker just two years ago when the word
[21:15] Speaker 2: lie no one seemed to have a problem with because
[21:20] Speaker 2: the word lie was being used by Anthony Albernezi to
[21:25] Speaker 2: attack the Liberal Party, not at a press conference, not
[21:29] Speaker 2: on TV, not at a union rally in question time.
[21:37] Speaker 2: Labor lied. That's Tim Wilson, the Prime Minister two thousand
[21:46] Speaker 2: and three. He turns around, he uses the term lie,
[21:51] Speaker 2: that it was a lie that the boss of Quantus
[21:55] Speaker 2: ever made it, ever made it to the lodge. That
[22:00] Speaker 2: word was completely okay when Anthony Albernizi used it a
[22:05] Speaker 2: couple of years ago. Totally not okay when the opposition
[22:09] Speaker 2: tries to use it against him. Well, guess who doesn't
[22:13] Speaker 2: care what the speaker thinks, even if I get his
[22:15] Speaker 2: name wrong. Sorry, his brother's a Queensland laboring pep. This
[22:19] Speaker 2: government is built on lies. They're very good at lies,
[22:23] Speaker 2: They're very successful at lies. And never forget the original lie,
[22:29] Speaker 2: the original sin, the one that helped them rally against
[22:34] Speaker 2: a government and Australia followed them off the cliff. The
[22:39] Speaker 2: cost of everything is going up. A labor government will
[22:43] Speaker 2: lower the cost of living. Fifteen interest rate rises have
[22:49] Speaker 2: happened since that lie all those years ago. As to
[22:59] Speaker 2: how they are selling the budget and again the BS
[23:02] Speaker 2: that is mixed in with all of it is worth
[23:04] Speaker 2: showing you here, all right. So again the Prime Minister
[23:08] Speaker 2: and the Treasurer making their way around today when it
[23:11] Speaker 2: came to the media. Thankfully the media have not got
[23:15] Speaker 2: sick of asking the obvious question, what's changed so.
[23:19] Speaker 11: Much in the past twelve months that you've had to
[23:21] Speaker 11: break a promise you repeatedly made.
[23:22] Speaker 12: Can Australians still trust the things you say?
[23:26] Speaker 2: And of course there's the way they're just pretending, no,
[23:28] Speaker 2: we didn't lie.
[23:29] Speaker 1: Lie lie.
[23:30] Speaker 2: How do you that word? It's not allowed unless we
[23:32] Speaker 2: use it about our political opponents.
[23:35] Speaker 5: I'm being upfront with you and with all of your viewers, Pete,
[23:38] Speaker 5: when I say that we have changed our view.
[23:40] Speaker 7: This is a change in our policy.
[23:42] Speaker 13: When you say you changed your position, is that a
[23:44] Speaker 13: concession that you lied?
[23:48] Speaker 7: That's at a statement of fact that we have changed
[23:52] Speaker 7: our position, changing our position.
[23:55] Speaker 2: Now, normally I bash up that you canu press gallery
[23:57] Speaker 2: because they kind of deserve it. But I've got to
[24:00] Speaker 2: give a shatter, in particular to one man who was
[24:03] Speaker 2: there when Anthony Alberesi lied and who is not willing
[24:07] Speaker 2: to let him pass for it. Mark Riley was the
[24:10] Speaker 2: moderator of the Channel seven debate during last year's election.
[24:15] Speaker 2: He asked a specific question about the issue that has
[24:19] Speaker 2: now become central to the lie of the second term
[24:23] Speaker 2: of the Albanese government, and Mark Riley had an opportunity
[24:28] Speaker 2: to call them out. He did so yesterday and I
[24:31] Speaker 2: wanted to say well done to him for holding their
[24:33] Speaker 2: feet to the fire. May it not just be a
[24:36] Speaker 2: one day wonder. A lot of.
[24:38] Speaker 8: People were compelled to vote for the Albanese government in
[24:42] Speaker 8: twenty twenty two and to get into twenty twenty five
[24:45] Speaker 8: because of that promise of openness and accountability and integrity.
[24:49] Speaker 8: You will be a different government. These are people who
[24:52] Speaker 8: heard never ever a GST. They heard there will be
[24:56] Speaker 8: no carbonacs, they heard no cuts to the ABC, no
[25:00] Speaker 8: cuts to the SBS, and then they heard an opposition
[25:04] Speaker 8: to say we're going to be different. One those voters
[25:07] Speaker 8: wake up this morning and say.
[25:08] Speaker 2: You're not different.
[25:10] Speaker 8: You've just proved you're just another line government.
[25:14] Speaker 5: To be frank with you, Mark, we expect that that
[25:17] Speaker 5: charge will be leveled at us. It's not unexpected, and
[25:21] Speaker 5: to the extent that we have changed our position on
[25:23] Speaker 5: these policy areas, it's not especially unfair for people to
[25:26] Speaker 5: point out, but.
[25:28] Speaker 2: As I told you last night that's old school, that's
[25:30] Speaker 2: legacy media, and no one cares about that. And if
[25:33] Speaker 2: you have a look at the electoral role, it splits
[25:35] Speaker 2: now that there are more voters under the age of fifty.
[25:38] Speaker 2: Now I count as one of these, and clearly I'm
[25:40] Speaker 2: not going to be back in the government. But the
[25:42] Speaker 2: politics that has changed and the fault line, let's call
[25:45] Speaker 2: it under fifty and over fifty according to the electoral role.
[25:48] Speaker 2: Literally I checked this yesterday. These are the very latest numbers.
[25:51] Speaker 2: Nine point two versus eight point nine seventy seven of
[25:54] Speaker 2: the one hundred and fifty seats, you only need seventy
[25:57] Speaker 2: six to become a government have a majority under the
[26:00] Speaker 2: age of fifty, that being voters. So, of course, while
[26:03] Speaker 2: all of the traditional legacy media was in the budget
[26:07] Speaker 2: lock up, the preference, of course was for the social media. Now,
[26:14] Speaker 2: unlike the other media that was there. Last year, the
[26:17] Speaker 2: Labor Party paid for social media influencers to speak to
[26:21] Speaker 2: the under fifties to come to Canberra to attend the event.
[26:25] Speaker 2: We'll find out whether that was the same this year,
[26:28] Speaker 2: but they certainly were there and here's the receipts of
[26:31] Speaker 2: just how hard they covered the government for their lie.
[26:36] Speaker 12: Okay, it is confirmed that CGT discount at fifty is
[26:41] Speaker 12: knocked on the head.
[26:42] Speaker 14: Fantastic to be here now, young Australians in a time
[26:45] Speaker 14: that's really more volatile than ever. How do you sort
[26:47] Speaker 14: of envision young people setting themselves up for life and
[26:50] Speaker 14: really making sure that they're secure with this really fundamental
[26:53] Speaker 14: change in how we tax people.
[26:55] Speaker 1: Well, we're making the tech system fairer.
[26:58] Speaker 2: Oh you know, sleef let us leeve, let us leave,
[27:02] Speaker 2: Because wouldn't it be amazing if theoretically all of the
[27:05] Speaker 2: people who have done this before and have seen all
[27:07] Speaker 2: of the tricks of lots of politicians. And the one
[27:10] Speaker 2: thing I will say about institutional media is because they
[27:14] Speaker 2: have been around for long enough, they've seen the lies before. Understandably,
[27:19] Speaker 2: I was like this as a young radio reporter. It
[27:21] Speaker 2: is just the nature of it that when you are
[27:24] Speaker 2: there for the first time, the first couple of times,
[27:28] Speaker 2: you don't see the slight of hand or remember what
[27:30] Speaker 2: they did five years ago, ten years ago. But the
[27:33] Speaker 2: bloke of course in charge of this government has been
[27:35] Speaker 2: there for thirty years. He's seen good budget spin and
[27:39] Speaker 2: bad budget spin. He knows exactly what he is doing,
[27:43] Speaker 2: and part of it is getting new people in who
[27:46] Speaker 2: will be dazzled by the idea of their proximity to
[27:49] Speaker 2: power and not having the experience of being able to
[27:53] Speaker 2: call bs on the things that are being said, because remember,
[27:57] Speaker 2: at the very heart of all of this damn thing
[28:00] Speaker 2: is that a deposit is not easier to achieve under
[28:04] Speaker 2: anything they did in this federal budget. This, of course,
[28:09] Speaker 2: is interestingly a point which was made by a social
[28:14] Speaker 2: media creator who wasn't invited to the budget. Chris Kenny
[28:18] Speaker 2: found this a bit earlier in the day, but I
[28:20] Speaker 2: had to show you there is some hope for the
[28:21] Speaker 2: side because there is an alternative to those that are
[28:25] Speaker 2: inside the tent and outside. It ain't raining.
[28:30] Speaker 6: I'm so happy the government is helping young people.
[28:33] Speaker 2: Hooray.
[28:35] Speaker 12: Nah, you're not wrong. What why they're getting rid of
[28:41] Speaker 12: negative gearing. Wait, isn't that a good thing? Yeah, isn't
[28:44] Speaker 12: that a good thing? They're getting rid of it for
[28:45] Speaker 12: new buyers. Everyone that already owns a home can keep
[28:48] Speaker 12: doing it.
[28:48] Speaker 15: Oh oh wait, I'm going to be a new buyer.
[28:52] Speaker 6: Wait, Jackson, you're going to be a new buyer.
[28:54] Speaker 2: I know, Shut up.
[28:55] Speaker 6: You can no longer negatively gear.
[28:57] Speaker 12: Unless you're already doing it, then you can do it forever.
[29:00] Speaker 12: So they're making it easier for young people to get
[29:03] Speaker 12: a house by making it more expensive for young people
[29:05] Speaker 12: to own a house.
[29:07] Speaker 2: Ding ding, ding ding ding. Well done, boys, keep it up,
[29:12] Speaker 2: keep up calling the BS. I'll maintain the rage for you.
[29:16] Speaker 2: All right, quick break back with more lots of talk
[29:17] Speaker 2: about including the budget, the budget, and reply the poll
[29:20] Speaker 2: numbers when it comes to one nation. And that's just
[29:22] Speaker 2: the start, and then we finish off the week with
[29:24] Speaker 2: my mum's favorite segment of the week, our make column
[29:28] Speaker 2: over in Europe. More in a second. All right, as
[29:36] Speaker 2: you know, President Donald Trump is over in China. They've
[29:39] Speaker 2: just had a meeting with the Chinese president. He has,
[29:41] Speaker 2: as you can see a the bottom of the screen,
[29:43] Speaker 2: invited him to the White House. Here is that invitation donated.
[29:48] Speaker 16: Is my honor to extend an invitation to you and
[29:51] Speaker 16: Madam Peng to visit us at the White House this
[29:56] Speaker 16: September twenty fourth, and we look forward to it.
[30:01] Speaker 2: Now. What's fascinating about all of this is, of course,
[30:03] Speaker 2: remember in the lead up to the lead up to
[30:07] Speaker 2: the twenty sixteen it was all about taking on China
[30:10] Speaker 2: in and around the virus. The virus was from China. Now,
[30:14] Speaker 2: of course the trade stuff has all been about taking
[30:16] Speaker 2: on China. Well, now there's this sort of cuddle that's
[30:19] Speaker 2: going on. We'll all find out together which way this goes.
[30:22] Speaker 2: But that is the breaking news on top of this.
[30:24] Speaker 2: By the way, when we're talking about overseas news, keep
[30:26] Speaker 2: an eye on what's happening in the UK. There's a
[30:28] Speaker 2: chance that long process, but one of the people who
[30:32] Speaker 2: is a key minister for Kes Starmer, probably pulls the
[30:34] Speaker 2: pin as a way of starting a leadership process. Starmer
[30:38] Speaker 2: would automatically go on the ballot. However, it's not MPs
[30:41] Speaker 2: that are choosing. Itets the members of the party that
[30:44] Speaker 2: will choose, and they are wildly left. Remember they chose
[30:47] Speaker 2: Jeremy Corbyn twice. So if you're a betting person, and
[30:51] Speaker 2: I'm not a betting person, and I'm sure no market
[30:53] Speaker 2: will be formed on this, Angela Rayner or Ed millerband
[30:58] Speaker 2: have a look in the next little while. Let's get
[30:59] Speaker 2: the wall this now with people who I'm sure have
[31:01] Speaker 2: never been on politics in their life. Darren Bonnett joins us, right, have.
[31:05] Speaker 17: You ever I have?
[31:06] Speaker 1: Yes?
[31:08] Speaker 17: Why not I know more about it than racing, or
[31:11] Speaker 17: at least I'm betting on something I know about.
[31:13] Speaker 2: Correct and Roscadell. I won't dare to ask you because
[31:15] Speaker 2: the consequences for you ever so slightly different. Of course,
[31:18] Speaker 2: it's the National Senator from New South Wales and he
[31:20] Speaker 2: joins us now from Canberra. All right, so I want
[31:22] Speaker 2: to ask you first, at Darren, what did you think
[31:26] Speaker 2: of the ideas bugger presentation, the ideas at the heart
[31:30] Speaker 2: of the speech that Angus Taylor's put on, and which
[31:35] Speaker 2: of them actually get somebody to look up and go,
[31:37] Speaker 2: oh okay.
[31:39] Speaker 17: I think people will look at the immigration stuff. They'll
[31:42] Speaker 17: look at you know what I think is interesting the
[31:45] Speaker 17: next battleground. He's got one battle with one nation and
[31:49] Speaker 17: he's addressed that via the migration. You know, they're going
[31:53] Speaker 17: to index migration to inflation and it'll be a popular thing.
[31:58] Speaker 17: If they're trying to cut welfare recipients all the rest,
[32:01] Speaker 17: that's going to be popular. But I think he can
[32:05] Speaker 17: be outflanked by one nation. Whatever he says, they can
[32:08] Speaker 17: go that little bit further. The tax stuff, the bracket
[32:12] Speaker 17: Creek announcement will be well received.
[32:14] Speaker 2: That's really good. That's the smartest part of all of it.
[32:18] Speaker 2: But of course the question, and I love this straight away, right,
[32:20] Speaker 2: he goes, I was watching his interview on the ABC,
[32:23] Speaker 2: and straight away, it's not just the how you pay
[32:25] Speaker 2: for it, it's automatically well, okay, that means the government
[32:28] Speaker 2: will lose you know, this much revenue so quick times
[32:31] Speaker 2: ten make that the biggest number possible. Reality is that
[32:34] Speaker 2: I think might be around five billion dollars they spend.
[32:38] Speaker 2: They get in hundreds of billions, and they spend about
[32:40] Speaker 2: three hundred billion of it on welfare.
[32:42] Speaker 17: So but what I think is fascinating. You touched on
[32:45] Speaker 17: it before with the number of the divide of the
[32:48] Speaker 17: age of fifty, the divider of the age early thirties.
[32:52] Speaker 17: It's the volume of voters is already large. They vote
[32:57] Speaker 17: labor on two PP about sixty five percent to and
[33:01] Speaker 17: that's exceeming that the liberals are the opposition that's going
[33:05] Speaker 17: to grow. That's the battleground, and labor has staked their
[33:10] Speaker 17: claim on housing and the changes that they're making that
[33:14] Speaker 17: that can make it more affordable and that we don't
[33:17] Speaker 17: lose that dream of home ownership. Angus Taylor is going
[33:20] Speaker 17: to come at at via migration lens and so that
[33:22] Speaker 17: you know, we're not going to outstrip the number of
[33:25] Speaker 17: people coming in and the number of home so that
[33:27] Speaker 17: battleground of younger voters and how do we maintain that
[33:31] Speaker 17: dream of home ownership that's going to become the centerpiece
[33:34] Speaker 17: of really the next couple of years of Australian politics.
[33:38] Speaker 2: But also you want to pay attention to the way
[33:39] Speaker 2: that the ball is spun right now. Often there's sort
[33:42] Speaker 2: of the way lefties try to get you to see
[33:46] Speaker 2: bias and the media is through think called media literacy.
[33:50] Speaker 2: Let me give you a little bit of media literacy.
[33:53] Speaker 2: Pay attention to which media organizations will and won't mention
[33:57] Speaker 2: things like grandfathering. Right, that's part of the problem right now.
[34:02] Speaker 2: You know we've said all the negative gearing stuff. Part
[34:04] Speaker 2: of the political equation is by saying everyone who's got
[34:07] Speaker 2: it won't lose it is a way of being able
[34:10] Speaker 2: to save themselves. That was Shorten's position, but he sort
[34:13] Speaker 2: of forgot to mention that as it started to melt away. Conversely,
[34:17] Speaker 2: this idea about you have to be an Australian citizen
[34:20] Speaker 2: to be able to get welfare, well, hang on, what
[34:22] Speaker 2: about the existing Chinese and Indian diaspora. That was the
[34:25] Speaker 2: question straight away, asked as a way of trying to
[34:27] Speaker 2: pull the rug out from underneath Angus Taylor. Well, his
[34:30] Speaker 2: answer was, it's grand father for everyone who's currently here.
[34:34] Speaker 2: So that's how you'll know who's putting the spin on
[34:36] Speaker 2: what ball ross. Obviously there's plenty in all of this,
[34:39] Speaker 2: certainly from the faction. When it comes to the regions,
[34:42] Speaker 2: What did you think of it? And what floated your
[34:43] Speaker 2: boat the most?
[34:46] Speaker 11: Thank God? I mean I'm smoking what he's rolling. We
[34:48] Speaker 11: needed to get back in this game after nine months
[34:50] Speaker 11: off nothing. I think he's given us that and I'm
[34:53] Speaker 11: just so thankful. I go to Churchill after the fall
[34:56] Speaker 11: of France. This isn't the end, it's not even the
[34:58] Speaker 11: beginning of the end.
[34:59] Speaker 1: It's maybe the end of the beginning. So we needed it.
[35:02] Speaker 11: We're back in with a shot and I'm just breathing
[35:04] Speaker 11: a sigh of relief. This needs to be a better Australia.
[35:09] Speaker 11: We've been messing around for too long. We're back on
[35:12] Speaker 11: the board, we know where we're heading. Let's back it,
[35:14] Speaker 11: let's get it in. But it's just so good to
[35:16] Speaker 11: be back in the game.
[35:18] Speaker 17: I think pumping up the regions is something that he
[35:20] Speaker 17: really did strongly the order of money will be spent,
[35:24] Speaker 17: and I think it was a very regional friendly budget. Obviously,
[35:29] Speaker 17: Pharah was a wake up call. They've got to really
[35:32] Speaker 17: address that, and that's what he's done. No zero will
[35:35] Speaker 17: play well in the regions, but the closering it to
[35:37] Speaker 17: the CBD, the major capitals, the bigger that problem is
[35:40] Speaker 17: going to be well.
[35:41] Speaker 2: And I've said the heal seat to God. Yeah, I've
[35:43] Speaker 2: said this the whole way through. Sorry, Ross, I'll get
[35:45] Speaker 2: you in on a second right, which is again, it's
[35:47] Speaker 2: not just about what you believe, it's not just about
[35:49] Speaker 2: what you want, but it is again the reality of
[35:52] Speaker 2: who is listening, who is voting, what is settled versus
[35:55] Speaker 2: what is something that you can introduce as the arm
[35:58] Speaker 2: wrestle to convince people way And I always think, and
[36:03] Speaker 2: I've said this when it comes to the net zero stuff,
[36:05] Speaker 2: that okay, they've got to the position about, you know,
[36:07] Speaker 2: get rid of net zero. But Ross have also said
[36:09] Speaker 2: that part of that conversation has to be is climate
[36:12] Speaker 2: change real? Yes? Should we do something about it? Yes?
[36:14] Speaker 2: But should we have to do everything?
[36:16] Speaker 10: No?
[36:17] Speaker 2: Because when you turn around and say things like we're
[36:19] Speaker 2: going to get rid of essentially the empire that has
[36:22] Speaker 2: been built by Chris Bowen. You know what that's going
[36:24] Speaker 2: to be turned into by the community independent who's going
[36:27] Speaker 2: to be running in regional areas, which is Ross doesn't
[36:30] Speaker 2: even believe in climate change. That knocker, he does, he's
[36:33] Speaker 2: stuck in the nineteen thirties. I think that's part of
[36:36] Speaker 2: the message that matters, right. Why do you think there's
[36:40] Speaker 2: a certain advantage in him lifting up tonight this idea
[36:44] Speaker 2: about going after billions of dollars that Bowen sprayed around.
[36:49] Speaker 11: Well eighteen billion dollars in this budget, that we can
[36:52] Speaker 11: actually put into other things. It's important because we've got
[36:54] Speaker 11: to get out there. We've got to put our stake
[36:55] Speaker 11: in the ground. It's really proud to write the NATS
[36:58] Speaker 11: Report with Matt Canevan of the page Ye Foundation about
[37:01] Speaker 11: net zero. We've been lifting at twice the rate of
[37:03] Speaker 11: OECD nations to get where Bowen and albo Wan ago.
[37:06] Speaker 11: We've got to do it three times a eight. That's
[37:08] Speaker 11: not fair. That's a pipe tree.
[37:10] Speaker 1: We want to be the pin.
[37:10] Speaker 11: Up posters for net zero in the entire world. It's
[37:13] Speaker 11: just rubbish. So we have to do our fair share.
[37:16] Speaker 11: I believe that the climate is changing. Matt believes the
[37:18] Speaker 11: climate is changing. But why should we nail ourselves to
[37:22] Speaker 11: the cross to try and do it. If you're self crucifixion,
[37:24] Speaker 11: you can never get the last nail in. But Bowen
[37:26] Speaker 11: and Elbow seem absolutely determined to try and do it
[37:28] Speaker 11: on net zero and this is killing the regions.
[37:32] Speaker 2: Our good's rosternight. Just you smoke if you've got them roll,
[37:36] Speaker 2: you know, smoke what he's rolling. And that one too,
[37:39] Speaker 2: I like it a lot. All right, Let's go to
[37:41] Speaker 2: where again the back and forth inside the Parliament today
[37:44] Speaker 2: where I couldn't possibly use the word lie apart from
[37:47] Speaker 2: the fact that Anthony aberanezis used that word multiple times
[37:50] Speaker 2: as Prime Minister. Not ancient. We have to go back
[37:52] Speaker 2: to two thousand and two to declare the word to
[37:55] Speaker 2: be inappropriate. Whatever. But the direct hit on Anthony ebane
[38:00] Speaker 2: that clearly pisces him off is this idea that will
[38:03] Speaker 2: hang on pal. You were able to go from housing
[38:05] Speaker 2: commission boy in Marrickville to the bloke is eventually going
[38:09] Speaker 2: to retire multi million dollar cliff top on the central
[38:11] Speaker 2: coast in the Whiles And what helped you do it,
[38:13] Speaker 2: the very policies that now you are wiping out for
[38:16] Speaker 2: any future generation to be able to access. He's always
[38:22] Speaker 2: so angry on this point, and I never know why, Darren.
[38:25] Speaker 2: He was annoyed when the Greens went at him, he's
[38:27] Speaker 2: pissed today when Simon Kennedy went for him. I mean,
[38:32] Speaker 2: does he not think this is like flavor flavor, the
[38:35] Speaker 2: chains that are hanging the big clock that everyone's going
[38:38] Speaker 2: to aim at.
[38:38] Speaker 17: I don't think he's the first person in politics who
[38:40] Speaker 17: doesn't like people who don't agree with him. That's kind
[38:43] Speaker 17: of most of certainly the Lower House. So look, he's
[38:47] Speaker 17: got his story to tell and he come up from
[38:50] Speaker 17: his bootstraps and all the rest of it. But it
[38:53] Speaker 17: won't be him who decides heck with these policies are
[38:55] Speaker 17: It's going to be how people vote in two or
[38:57] Speaker 17: three years time. I think they're not a first term government.
[39:00] Speaker 17: I'm not sure that people are that surprised by a
[39:03] Speaker 17: change that they did it on stage three tax carts.
[39:06] Speaker 17: People eventually agreed with that, Well, this is not a
[39:11] Speaker 17: Gillard moment, or even a rud greatest moral challenge of
[39:15] Speaker 17: our time moment that people will judge. But I don't
[39:18] Speaker 17: think people will be overly surprised they're a second term government.
[39:22] Speaker 2: Yeah, but ross do you think that the lie matters?
[39:26] Speaker 2: Does the lie move people to go? You know what,
[39:29] Speaker 2: there's actually a threshold of bs here. There's only so
[39:33] Speaker 2: much we can take. We forgive you for this, we
[39:35] Speaker 2: forgive you for two seventy five, We forgive you for
[39:37] Speaker 2: lower the cost of living. But you know what, if
[39:39] Speaker 2: you're going to change the whole way we're able to
[39:42] Speaker 2: make any more money on top of what we earn,
[39:46] Speaker 2: we'd like to know that before we do or don't
[39:48] Speaker 2: vote for.
[39:49] Speaker 1: You one hundred percent. I think there's the intersection of
[39:53] Speaker 1: the two things. It's the lie.
[39:55] Speaker 11: I think they calculated to get a lie with it,
[39:57] Speaker 11: get away with the lie because we've been largely useless
[40:00] Speaker 11: for nine months under the previous regime, they have no
[40:02] Speaker 11: policies and not putting up a fight. Today we've actually
[40:05] Speaker 11: got in the fight, and now this line matters because
[40:08] Speaker 11: of those things intersecting.
[40:09] Speaker 1: No one is like I stood on Farron.
[40:11] Speaker 11: We got beaten the hell out of down there, but
[40:13] Speaker 11: no one was loving labor. Labor didn't run because they
[40:16] Speaker 11: didn't want to finish below us in the Libs.
[40:18] Speaker 1: That's why they didn't run.
[40:18] Speaker 11: They we got smacked on that polling booth and no
[40:21] Speaker 11: one's in love with them. And if we can be credible,
[40:24] Speaker 11: if we can stand up, that's going to happen. The
[40:26] Speaker 11: line matters because it is now a competitive race and
[40:29] Speaker 11: they will find that out next time they have a
[40:30] Speaker 11: biolics and they do stand in.
[40:32] Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely. Also, I just I'm so sick of this
[40:35] Speaker 2: bootstraps of business. He doesn't think of anything lower than
[40:37] Speaker 2: the bow tie. Now, right, let's be honest, and that's
[40:41] Speaker 2: the reality is okay, great he's been able to change that.
[40:44] Speaker 2: But the idea, and it's been really interesting, you know.
[40:47] Speaker 2: Obviously it's a certain type of person seeks you out
[40:50] Speaker 2: to say what they think about the budget. But I've
[40:52] Speaker 2: been trying to talk to people who are surprised by
[40:56] Speaker 2: what's happened because at the heart of it, at the
[40:59] Speaker 2: end of it, go back to where we started, right,
[41:02] Speaker 2: If the BS doesn't get you here, it's going to
[41:05] Speaker 2: get you there because the fundamental failure and lie is
[41:10] Speaker 2: this rubbish promise that everything suddenly got better for somebody
[41:13] Speaker 2: who's thirty trying to buy their first unit guess what, No,
[41:16] Speaker 2: why because the deposit, the deposit still is eighty one,
[41:22] Speaker 2: one hundred and twenty thousand dollars. The problem is the
[41:25] Speaker 2: acquisition and the ability to have enough leftover to save
[41:29] Speaker 2: for the deposit. If you can't save for it, then
[41:31] Speaker 2: you're going to have to get it from somewhere else banker,
[41:34] Speaker 2: Mum and dad, Oh, how have they been able to
[41:36] Speaker 2: do that? That's right, the investment property. Because nobody's got
[41:39] Speaker 2: ten grand sitting around, let alone fifty, let alone sixty,
[41:43] Speaker 2: let alone eighty. That's going to be where I think
[41:45] Speaker 2: there's a big deal to be go here. All right,
[41:47] Speaker 2: quick break back when more. Thank you lads, We'll see
[41:49] Speaker 2: you again next week. Colin Flinn my favor, my mum's
[41:52] Speaker 2: favorite segment of the week. Tell join us next. Some
[41:56] Speaker 2: beautiful Irish accent action here in the second two and
[41:59] Speaker 2: we're throwing and animals don't go anywhere. Good Thursday night, Hello,
[42:07] Speaker 2: wherever you're happened to be, hopefully having a lovely Thursday night.
[42:09] Speaker 2: We've got another big show coming up Sunday. Angus Taylor
[42:11] Speaker 2: in the studio for ask me anything. Really looking forward
[42:14] Speaker 2: to this on Monday night. Lots of questions from all
[42:17] Speaker 2: over the country. It's an opportunity, yes, to get to
[42:20] Speaker 2: know the man, certainly to ask him a bunch of
[42:23] Speaker 2: things that are sometimes on the agenda. Obviously some that's
[42:29] Speaker 2: about the news, but if nothing else, it's a chance
[42:31] Speaker 2: for you to be able to understand. I always cop
[42:34] Speaker 2: flak for doing these, but I don't care. I want
[42:36] Speaker 2: you to be able to have access to political leaders,
[42:38] Speaker 2: to be able to hear them and to see them
[42:40] Speaker 2: in there their full selves. You will do so Monday night.
[42:43] Speaker 2: Ask me anything here with Angus Taylor Colin Flynn. He
[42:47] Speaker 2: joins us right now for where in the world are you,
[42:49] Speaker 2: kind sir? With that lovely Irish smile and voice? You
[42:53] Speaker 2: in the States again, aren't you good? Evening?
[42:56] Speaker 6: Paul good even in Australia.
[42:57] Speaker 13: I am in Philadelphia and the US, and I was
[42:59] Speaker 13: just love there because you're talking about bringing the people,
[43:02] Speaker 13: these top politicians.
[43:03] Speaker 6: I got nothing. I'm bringing some silly Irish accents to night.
[43:07] Speaker 2: I'm I'm sorry to say it. Have you dot Mommy
[43:09] Speaker 2: saying it? This one? And I know Mom will be
[43:11] Speaker 2: your mom's favorite part of the Wake Man All Wake.
[43:13] Speaker 2: We were talking about it on the Waken for mother side,
[43:16] Speaker 2: don't you. Collum said, make believe me. As long as mom,
[43:19] Speaker 2: you're here, and as long as I'm here, Mom, you
[43:20] Speaker 2: get the point. You're here for life, all right. So
[43:22] Speaker 2: let's do some silly Irish accent stuff.
[43:24] Speaker 10: Go.
[43:26] Speaker 6: Yes, you know when.
[43:27] Speaker 13: I've since I've moved here two weeks ago to the States,
[43:29] Speaker 13: people have been saying, column, you have a strong Irish action,
[43:32] Speaker 13: and I'm like, what do you mean, Like, what are
[43:33] Speaker 13: you talking about? Pass me beginning star across the fire
[43:36] Speaker 13: And it got me thinking, Paul, if they think this
[43:39] Speaker 13: is a strong Irish accent, well they hear nothing, because
[43:43] Speaker 13: I've come across some strong Irish accents. And so my
[43:45] Speaker 13: colleagues back in Ireland, we're going to play a game,
[43:48] Speaker 13: and I want you to play this, Paul, and people
[43:49] Speaker 13: who are watching you can play along. So if your
[43:52] Speaker 13: wife is there or your kids, sit down, turn up
[43:54] Speaker 13: the volume, listen carefully to these strong Irish accents and
[43:58] Speaker 13: see how much you can under stand and decipher. Let's
[44:01] Speaker 13: go to our first clip. Okay, I'll tell you about this.
[44:03] Speaker 13: Mikey Joe O'sha is a farmer in County Kerry in
[44:06] Speaker 13: the southwest of Ireland and a few years back he
[44:09] Speaker 13: had some of his sheep stolen during the night. So
[44:12] Speaker 13: RTE the public broadcast. They were done with the camera crew,
[44:15] Speaker 13: they went up Mount Brandon and they asked them about it.
[44:18] Speaker 13: Listen to this Kerry accent play.
[44:20] Speaker 7: This Gordian County Kerry are investigating the theft of up
[44:24] Speaker 7: to sixty sheep on Mount Brandon.
[44:26] Speaker 15: And then find that's right in your own woman, possible
[44:30] Speaker 15: a night that'd be a full moon, that about night,
[44:32] Speaker 15: and that shouldn't be bright out in that could anyone
[44:35] Speaker 15: up in the mountains abe night shore? Well, there was
[44:38] Speaker 15: forty five sheep missing, Mike in the lamps and within
[44:41] Speaker 15: the sheep just count out to night like to be doing.
[44:46] Speaker 6: The boat in Lowton. That's all. See what, Paul, did
[44:54] Speaker 6: you understand any of that?
[44:56] Speaker 13: Yeah, the safe in the night, the one yeah, stief
[45:01] Speaker 13: in the night, the one line I got.
[45:02] Speaker 6: What's to be done about it?
[45:03] Speaker 17: Nothing?
[45:04] Speaker 6: What's to be done about it? Nothing?
[45:05] Speaker 13: The sheep are gone. Let's let's leave County Kerry. We're
[45:08] Speaker 13: going to go to County Cork which is close by.
[45:10] Speaker 6: There was a pub. Again, these things always seem to.
[45:12] Speaker 13: Happen up a mountain, but it burnt down and it
[45:15] Speaker 13: took a while for them to rebuild the pub and everything,
[45:17] Speaker 13: but all the local farmers in the area. It opened
[45:20] Speaker 13: at like noon twelve or five. They were all in
[45:23] Speaker 13: there with their pints in hand, and a local newspaper
[45:26] Speaker 13: called the Irish Examiner. They went along to interview some
[45:28] Speaker 13: of the farmers, to locals about what it means for
[45:31] Speaker 13: them to have their local pub back again.
[45:33] Speaker 6: Check this out.
[45:34] Speaker 1: And had you missed the pub and when it burnt on,
[45:37] Speaker 1: mister we had.
[45:39] Speaker 2: We had some billing up and now we have just
[45:41] Speaker 2: been cable. We we have been what what.
[46:07] Speaker 6: To any of that? Paul? Did you get any of
[46:09] Speaker 6: that you watching at home? What do you think?
[46:11] Speaker 2: Nothing? Nothing at all.
[46:14] Speaker 13: Well he was saying there that gentleman, he got a
[46:16] Speaker 13: look a bit like you, Paul, I thought that was
[46:17] Speaker 13: Paul was anyway, he said that they built up a
[46:20] Speaker 13: bit of money. He said, well, we built up a
[46:21] Speaker 13: bit of money. Show would have to spend it because
[46:23] Speaker 13: the PubL had been closed. He said, we'll have to
[46:25] Speaker 13: keep the show going to keep the.
[46:26] Speaker 6: Pub in business. So they were in their day drinking anyway.
[46:29] Speaker 13: The final clip and you know, people at home, if
[46:32] Speaker 13: you've been picking up bits and Bobs.
[46:33] Speaker 6: You've been doing well, but here's the ultimate test.
[46:36] Speaker 13: This man has been voted online as having the strongest
[46:40] Speaker 13: Irish accent in the world. And guess who interviewed him
[46:44] Speaker 13: me ten million views on YouTube. A few years ago,
[46:47] Speaker 13: I was live on the Today Show, an RT big
[46:50] Speaker 13: daytime morning show, and I went into a pub in
[46:53] Speaker 13: Clarney in the south of Ireland and someone said, go
[46:56] Speaker 13: talk to this guy. His name is Sham, He's a
[46:58] Speaker 13: local legend. Were live across the nation. I couldn't understand
[47:03] Speaker 13: a word he was saying. Listen carefully falling you at home?
[47:07] Speaker 13: Can you understand Sham?
[47:08] Speaker 6: Play this John?
[47:12] Speaker 1: How are you?
[47:13] Speaker 6: We're hearing Clarney Today live the media. Are you from Colarney?
[47:19] Speaker 1: Why am I?
[47:20] Speaker 6: Why am I? Old Away born and bred? And kamire seam.
[47:24] Speaker 6: We're trying to figure.
[47:25] Speaker 13: Out what makes Clarney so special? What do you think
[47:27] Speaker 13: makes it a great talent? Again An George, Yeah, lots
[47:35] Speaker 13: of tours around. It's great, isn't it? Give me and
[47:39] Speaker 13: what's your favorite thing about Colarney?
[47:42] Speaker 1: To me, Connor my basing it in?
[47:44] Speaker 2: To me, Connor, give me my battery?
[47:47] Speaker 6: To me, Connor, yet it in?
[47:52] Speaker 2: Oh, I've been in those moments where you're just going, okay, pause,
[47:56] Speaker 2: next question, pause, next question? You need well mine?
[48:00] Speaker 6: Yeah, we were.
[48:01] Speaker 13: We were live on air, and in my ear the
[48:03] Speaker 13: director just said, I don't know what's going on here,
[48:05] Speaker 13: but just keep on going, and I would just ask
[48:07] Speaker 13: general questions.
[48:08] Speaker 6: Yeah, so it's a good town. Yeah, you like you here?
[48:11] Speaker 6: Is there a good pint here?
[48:12] Speaker 2: It was?
[48:13] Speaker 13: It was unbelievable. But since that he has received ten
[48:16] Speaker 13: million views online. He doesn't know what the internet is,
[48:18] Speaker 13: he doesn't know what going viral means. But American tours
[48:21] Speaker 13: come and they keep finding pints again, and so the
[48:23] Speaker 13: situation is going from bad tours, good stuff, thank you,
[48:27] Speaker 13: make good on you call him enjoy feeling this week
[48:30] Speaker 13: in have a chase steak for me?
[48:31] Speaker 2: Thank you mate? All right, quick break back with more
[48:33] Speaker 2: here like to bike up mixed here on Scar

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