# Paul Murray Live | 9 October

An episode of [Paul Murray Live](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/376966263), 9 Oct 2025, 50 min.

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Australia’s parliament set to expand for the first time in 40 years, former Labor MP tapped to lead Climate Change Department. Plus, SBS faces backlash over Eurovision participation. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:00] Speaker 1: From the Skying Center. This is Paul Murray Live. Thank you, Cherry.
[0:07] Speaker 1: We are on the precipice of an incredible moment at
[0:10] Speaker 1: any second, literally the formal signing of the agreement to
[0:17] Speaker 1: first start with the ceasefire, then roll its way through
[0:21] Speaker 1: to what has been dreamed of for the past couple
[0:24] Speaker 1: of years, which is the return of the hostages. That
[0:27] Speaker 1: deal is due to be signed literally at any moment,
[0:31] Speaker 1: and it'll be happening in Egypt. It is an extraordinary
[0:35] Speaker 1: achievement that has been broken by the United States President. Obviously,
[0:39] Speaker 1: we'll talk about it in some detail this evening, but
[0:41] Speaker 1: I can tell you we've got all eyes on everything
[0:44] Speaker 1: and every little movement we will bring you in full
[0:48] Speaker 1: and live during our next sixty minutes. In the meantime,
[0:52] Speaker 1: the plan is to roll on and continue to discuss
[0:55] Speaker 1: the plans for a protest that theoretically doesn't need to
[0:59] Speaker 1: go ahead at all. If this deal is done, as
[1:02] Speaker 1: I say, at any second, then what exactly are we
[1:04] Speaker 1: protesting about on Saturday? And when I mean we, of
[1:08] Speaker 1: course mean they They got a little exposed in the
[1:10] Speaker 1: court today. We'll get into all of that. We'll talk
[1:12] Speaker 1: about it with Joe Hildebrand. We'll talk about it with
[1:15] Speaker 1: Ross Cadell as well. Bathurst has started up today now
[1:18] Speaker 1: Tomorrow is actually a very very big day in the calendar,
[1:23] Speaker 1: not just the race, not just the top ten, but
[1:25] Speaker 1: our mate Jess who's also got an awesome idea for
[1:29] Speaker 1: kids Christmas to do with motorsport. Jesse Yates from Fox
[1:33] Speaker 1: Sports to talk Bathist which is underway right now, and
[1:37] Speaker 1: Cherry on top for this Thursday evening. Meghan Kelly in
[1:41] Speaker 1: full form and you'll see her only on Pal Murray Life.
[1:45] Speaker 2: I'm done and you're like, oh, run run, run for
[1:49] Speaker 2: your life.
[1:52] Speaker 1: I love that woman. I really do a great and
[1:54] Speaker 1: fun chat to finish us off this week now while
[1:57] Speaker 1: we wait the big news, can I talk about a
[1:59] Speaker 1: couple of other things which may will have flown under
[2:01] Speaker 1: the radar, and you know it is my job to
[2:03] Speaker 1: catch them to present them to you and that's why
[2:05] Speaker 1: you he reach it every night. Thank you so much
[2:07] Speaker 1: for doing so. Really do appreciate it. Remembered the series.
[2:10] Speaker 1: Link the show if you're on the Foxtell service, or
[2:13] Speaker 1: add it to the watch list if you're on any
[2:15] Speaker 1: of the streamers. So I don't know about you, but
[2:19] Speaker 1: I think we've got too many politicians in Australia. Why
[2:22] Speaker 1: because I feel so overly regulated. I feel like there's
[2:24] Speaker 1: so many other people that are able to have an
[2:26] Speaker 1: opinion and write the laws to tell us which way
[2:29] Speaker 1: we must or must not live our lives. Well, guess what,
[2:31] Speaker 1: there is a very good chance that this bloke Don
[2:34] Speaker 1: Farrell is about to expand the number of politicians now.
[2:38] Speaker 1: A cynic would suggest that the time the Labor Party
[2:42] Speaker 1: is choosing to do that is at a high water mark,
[2:46] Speaker 1: and the theoretically more in peace would result in more
[2:49] Speaker 1: Labor MPs. But it's the Senate that is worth talking about.
[2:54] Speaker 1: There was an interesting discussion which was focused on taxpayer
[2:59] Speaker 1: media Outlets Day, which was for the first time in
[3:01] Speaker 1: the best part of forty years, Australia's Parliament is set
[3:04] Speaker 1: to grow. Let's all follow the bouncing ball. The number
[3:08] Speaker 1: of MPs and the House of Representatives last substantially increased
[3:11] Speaker 1: in nineteen eighty four. At the time, Australia's population was
[3:15] Speaker 1: sixteen million. Electorates had about seventy five thousand people in them.
[3:20] Speaker 1: Since inn, Australia is now twenty seven million, on our
[3:23] Speaker 1: way to twenty nine million, where the next federal election
[3:26] Speaker 1: is due. Every single MP represents not seventy five thousand people,
[3:31] Speaker 1: but one hundred and twenty thousand people. Now, interestingly, the
[3:38] Speaker 1: case or the apparent case for why we need more
[3:42] Speaker 1: politicians again has been argued by the Special Minister of State.
[3:46] Speaker 1: Now you need to know about Don Farrell, that he
[3:49] Speaker 1: is well and truly in the middle of everything when
[3:53] Speaker 1: it comes to Labor Party politics, factional politics, you know,
[3:56] Speaker 1: the Don Father, all the rest of it that they
[3:59] Speaker 1: have called him, so he knows if they are going
[4:01] Speaker 1: anywhere near this. They are doing it because it is
[4:04] Speaker 1: going to be good for the Labor Party, that it
[4:06] Speaker 1: will help them establish greater rule for longer. And this, however,
[4:14] Speaker 1: is the packaging in which they are going to try
[4:17] Speaker 1: to sell you that we need more federal politicians. And
[4:21] Speaker 1: thus the number of politicians you need to form a
[4:23] Speaker 1: government goes even higher than the seventy six currently required.
[4:29] Speaker 3: MPs have got more and more constituents to service, and
[4:35] Speaker 3: of course the pressure, some of the pressures that you
[4:38] Speaker 3: refer to and these reports is reflected in the fact
[4:42] Speaker 3: that in order to try and make sure you're servicing
[4:46] Speaker 3: all your constituents, there's greater and greater pressure on the
[4:49] Speaker 3: mp themselves and on the staff.
[4:54] Speaker 1: Jeez, okay, I wonder if the people who are claiming
[4:58] Speaker 1: that they're under a pressure might say, join us on
[5:01] Speaker 1: the common sense side of things that perhaps we don't
[5:02] Speaker 1: need to radically keep growing our population. But of course
[5:06] Speaker 1: to discuss is racist. Now, these are also people who
[5:10] Speaker 1: and again being a full time politician, look, despite the
[5:13] Speaker 1: fact that we love a whack and why not if
[5:16] Speaker 1: you're a good one, it is a twenty four to
[5:17] Speaker 1: seven job and that's hard for your family, all the
[5:19] Speaker 1: rest of it. But it has ever been thus when
[5:22] Speaker 1: the electorates were ten forty seventy thousand, or now more
[5:25] Speaker 1: than one hundred thousand, there's this event on a Saturday morning,
[5:29] Speaker 1: this one two hours later, one three hours later, let
[5:32] Speaker 1: alone everything that happens through the week. So perhaps there's
[5:36] Speaker 1: a case for more staff, but we know they've already
[5:38] Speaker 1: got more staff in the last parliament, and those people
[5:42] Speaker 1: were largely to help them make social media videos that
[5:44] Speaker 1: almost every night I show you that are embarrassing, that
[5:48] Speaker 1: are actually about servicing the local community. Instead, it's about
[5:52] Speaker 1: building the ego of the principle that is the politician,
[5:56] Speaker 1: and in the overall federal budget. It's not really about cost,
[5:59] Speaker 1: but it is kind of about cost. A point that
[6:03] Speaker 1: James Patterson, and I'll give him a yay for the
[6:05] Speaker 1: week in a moment, had to say. He said on
[6:09] Speaker 1: the ABC that I find it extraordinary that we're wasting
[6:13] Speaker 1: taxpayer resources and time on this when the government should
[6:16] Speaker 1: be focusing on fixing healthcare, costs of living crisis and
[6:19] Speaker 1: self made housing crisis. Good point. Now, normally, any sort
[6:23] Speaker 1: of fiddle to the electoral system normally requires the two
[6:27] Speaker 1: teams to get together so that there'll be an easy
[6:31] Speaker 1: passage of this thing through the house they control, in
[6:34] Speaker 1: this case the Labour Party in the lower House or
[6:36] Speaker 1: the Senate. But remember they can pass in the Senate
[6:38] Speaker 1: with the Greens. You don't think the Greens are going
[6:42] Speaker 1: to want to back in the idea of more MPs.
[6:45] Speaker 1: More MPs potentially. Of course, the closer and more populated
[6:49] Speaker 1: the areas are, the closer you get to the inner cities,
[6:51] Speaker 1: the higher the chances there are of Green's MPs. So
[6:55] Speaker 1: while it's great that the Libs look like they're going
[6:57] Speaker 1: to say no, happy with the system as it is,
[7:00] Speaker 1: system may well change. But the reason I mentioned this
[7:03] Speaker 1: at the start of the show. Is because while it's
[7:07] Speaker 1: obviously vitally important, it's the government, it's the tone and
[7:10] Speaker 1: future of the country about who forms the majority in
[7:14] Speaker 1: the lower house. And we know elections have consequences, but
[7:17] Speaker 1: the effectiveness of a government to be able to pass
[7:20] Speaker 1: laws means you have to have numbers in the Senate
[7:23] Speaker 1: as it currently stands after the last election, and they'll
[7:27] Speaker 1: be flow on into the next term as well because
[7:30] Speaker 1: of how well the Labour Party did. Labor and Greens together,
[7:33] Speaker 1: that's all they need. They don't need Lamby, they don't
[7:35] Speaker 1: need Pocock, they don't need anyone else in the Crossbach.
[7:40] Speaker 1: As long as they grow, it's okay. Well, guess what
[7:44] Speaker 1: a plan to increase the number of people downstairs means.
[7:48] Speaker 1: It means there's a very good chance you're going to
[7:50] Speaker 1: to balance things up, as they say, do what happened
[7:54] Speaker 1: in the nineteen eighties and increase the number of senators.
[8:00] Speaker 1: That in and of itself, of course, would most likely
[8:03] Speaker 1: mean a growing majority that is to the left or
[8:07] Speaker 1: the far left in Australian politics, meaning that even if
[8:12] Speaker 1: there was one day a change of government, the coalition
[8:16] Speaker 1: wouldn't be able to get anything done because why there
[8:18] Speaker 1: would be enough people to permanently block them upstairs. And
[8:21] Speaker 1: that is the whole move here. Everyone in fact have
[8:24] Speaker 1: a look. Doubling the number of territory senators was recommended
[8:28] Speaker 1: during the last term of parliament. That government was keen
[8:31] Speaker 1: to adopt the proposal, but he's waiting to see if
[8:34] Speaker 1: it can be done as part of a wider expansion.
[8:36] Speaker 1: So while we're all distracted by more Lower House MPs,
[8:42] Speaker 1: increasing the number of territory MPs is actually how in
[8:47] Speaker 1: part they're going to be able to rig the game.
[8:50] Speaker 1: And I know that's a big word, but why do
[8:53] Speaker 1: I assume that there will be an increase in the
[8:55] Speaker 1: number of left wing senators who could block a right
[8:59] Speaker 1: wing government because one of the two territories is the
[9:02] Speaker 1: Australian Capital Territory. Now, the Act of recent years has
[9:10] Speaker 1: not elected a single Liberal. Instead, it's been Labor or Pocock.
[9:16] Speaker 1: The Pocock and Teel side of things has been growing
[9:19] Speaker 1: its vote and almost got a Lower House seat. Or
[9:24] Speaker 1: if you lowered the threshold and added a third or
[9:26] Speaker 1: a fourth, you'd be talking about either another Labor MP,
[9:31] Speaker 1: another Teel MP or a Greens MP of course as senator.
[9:36] Speaker 1: My apologies, I don't want to confuse the titles. You
[9:38] Speaker 1: would be adding a Teal, a Green or a labor
[9:42] Speaker 1: That of course would mean one vote harder. Now, the
[9:46] Speaker 1: only hope for this system is that if one nation's
[9:49] Speaker 1: numbers continue to sit where they currently sit, they are
[9:52] Speaker 1: going to be out polling the Greens and they are
[9:55] Speaker 1: going to be able to get the requisite fourteen percent
[9:57] Speaker 1: of the vote to be able to get senators, and
[10:00] Speaker 1: not just Pauline Hansen, not just Malcolm Roberts, both of
[10:03] Speaker 1: whom consistently being re elected in Queensland. But as we
[10:06] Speaker 1: saw at the last election, thanks to preferences, because what
[10:09] Speaker 1: you do with number two really matters, particularly in the Senate,
[10:13] Speaker 1: they were able to get an extra senator in New
[10:14] Speaker 1: South Wales and in Western Australia. So maybe, just maybe
[10:18] Speaker 1: that could be the antidote. But where do those votes
[10:21] Speaker 1: come from? The Liberal and the National Party. So pay
[10:24] Speaker 1: attention here because when they are talking about changing the
[10:26] Speaker 1: system under the guise of the workload of the MPs
[10:30] Speaker 1: who were already of course paid hundreds of thousands of dollars,
[10:33] Speaker 1: have multiple staff and technologies, mean we're not living in
[10:39] Speaker 1: the nineteen thirties, any war, the capacity to speak to
[10:42] Speaker 1: well almost everyone in the electorate at once its whole,
[10:44] Speaker 1: or better than it used to be. In my view,
[10:46] Speaker 1: the real game here is grow the house, grow the Senate,
[10:51] Speaker 1: grow the left, stop the right, even when it wins
[10:55] Speaker 1: an election sometime in the lower house now too, the
[11:01] Speaker 1: responsibilities of the Senate and the bloke that I have
[11:03] Speaker 1: been wrapping all week again, what I love being able
[11:06] Speaker 1: to see somebody who gives a bit of hope right,
[11:08] Speaker 1: and hope in the side, and hope in the side.
[11:10] Speaker 1: This week, the youth of the day, the collect your
[11:13] Speaker 1: two hundred dollars as you go through the dough on
[11:16] Speaker 1: the monopoly board is James Patterson, Liberal from Victoria. Now,
[11:20] Speaker 1: this bloke is the heart and soul of what I
[11:24] Speaker 1: believe to be part of the next stage, part of
[11:26] Speaker 1: the way to build. And he's doing his work, and
[11:28] Speaker 1: he's a smart bloke, and he has been nailing them
[11:32] Speaker 1: in Senate estimates. Now most of the six PM news
[11:35] Speaker 1: they want to talk about it. Why because there's a
[11:37] Speaker 1: distraction here. In distraction there drinks with albow, they rock
[11:40] Speaker 1: the boat. But for those of us that are paying attention,
[11:42] Speaker 1: to the grains of sand that eventually build the beach
[11:45] Speaker 1: and where the dunes move around to torture the metaphor.
[11:49] Speaker 1: It matters. This bloke did good work this week. Remember
[11:53] Speaker 1: the questions about isis Brides that they wouldn't answer.
[11:58] Speaker 4: When did the Department first learned that the isis brides
[12:03] Speaker 4: had in fact returned to Australia.
[12:08] Speaker 5: Senator, I wouldn't need to take that on notice to confirm.
[12:12] Speaker 4: Can you tell me whether or not it was before
[12:14] Speaker 4: or after Kylie Douglas from The Herald Sun broke the
[12:18] Speaker 4: story on Friday afternoon last week.
[12:21] Speaker 5: Again, I'll take on notice to confirm what the Department
[12:25] Speaker 5: knew and when.
[12:26] Speaker 4: How about your own personal state of knowledge? Did you
[12:28] Speaker 4: know prior to the publication of that article that they'd returned.
[12:32] Speaker 6: To Australia, Senator?
[12:35] Speaker 5: I think, as I said earlier today, we obviously have
[12:38] Speaker 5: regular discussions with our counterpart national security agencies. So my
[12:44] Speaker 5: preference would be to take that notice to check exactly when.
[12:49] Speaker 1: But there's a whole bunch of other things he didn't see.
[12:51] Speaker 1: And here's my chance to show you there is a
[12:54] Speaker 1: former labor MP who ended up being a significant public
[12:57] Speaker 1: servants land now this bloke just happened to end up
[13:04] Speaker 1: getting a job heading up the Climate Department, which is
[13:07] Speaker 1: now worth nine hundred thousand dollars apparently in his wages.
[13:12] Speaker 1: Questions asked by James Patterson about the process too, miraculously
[13:17] Speaker 1: of all of the candidates everywhere to be able to
[13:20] Speaker 1: install a lifelong labor mate. Well, that too was interesting.
[13:26] Speaker 4: This week on the nineteenth of May this year that
[13:29] Speaker 4: mister Frederick was stepping down, and it was that he
[13:34] Speaker 4: would step down on the twentieth of June. It was
[13:36] Speaker 4: on the eighth of July that mister Kaiser's appointment was announced.
[13:42] Speaker 6: So when did you first advertise for the vacancy?
[13:46] Speaker 7: So, as I mentioned earlier, this process was done through
[13:50] Speaker 7: what we call a closed competitive process, which is by invitation.
[13:54] Speaker 1: He also had some insights about the actual costs that
[13:59] Speaker 1: may well be in evolved in per Ton trying to
[14:03] Speaker 1: deal with one percent of the world's climate emissions. Remember,
[14:07] Speaker 1: this government has just signed up to a twenty thirty
[14:09] Speaker 1: five target of up to seventy percent of one percent
[14:12] Speaker 1: of the world's climate problems. Well, that requires many, many,
[14:16] Speaker 1: many tons. But how much per Ton is it going
[14:20] Speaker 1: to cost? Again, thanks for the info.
[14:24] Speaker 8: Right, What the model effectively does. It looks at the
[14:27] Speaker 8: abatement options that are available at each point in time
[14:31] Speaker 8: and chooses the least cost forms of abatement until and
[14:36] Speaker 8: works up the stack until you get to the emissions
[14:40] Speaker 8: reduction that we've applied as a constraint in the model.
[14:44] Speaker 4: So, in other words, this is the incentive that would
[14:47] Speaker 4: be required to meet the pathway of emissions reduction to get.
[14:52] Speaker 8: The marginal abatement that you need to meet that.
[14:54] Speaker 6: Yes, past the final doll of that matters.
[14:56] Speaker 4: So this starts at sixty seven dollars a ton into
[15:00] Speaker 4: from twenty six to thirty period and rises to two
[15:02] Speaker 4: hundred and ninety three dollars a ton under the baseline scenario. Correct,
[15:06] Speaker 4: So that is the effective carbon price which is necessary
[15:11] Speaker 4: to meet that goal. Honestly, honestly, let the officials answer
[15:17] Speaker 4: the question.
[15:18] Speaker 6: But it's the most juveniles.
[15:22] Speaker 3: A.
[15:24] Speaker 9: It's a standard feature of climate modeling.
[15:27] Speaker 6: Yeah, and so let the officials answer then, minister.
[15:30] Speaker 1: And you know, when you're annoying people, you are hovering
[15:33] Speaker 1: right over the target. You can see the reaction there
[15:35] Speaker 1: of the hyperpartisan minister desperately trying to change the subject.
[15:39] Speaker 1: And finally, Australia is in one trillion dollars worth of debt.
[15:43] Speaker 1: As I have told you and as Treasury has shown us.
[15:46] Speaker 1: The Intergeneration Report means we are going to keep producing
[15:48] Speaker 1: budget deficits for the next forty years. So presumably one
[15:54] Speaker 1: trillion becomes one point two five, becomes one point five
[15:56] Speaker 1: becomes one point seventy five becomes two trillion dollars, And
[16:01] Speaker 1: that too is confirmed today by James Patterson asking serious
[16:06] Speaker 1: questions of people who yes, it is like getting blood
[16:10] Speaker 1: out of a stone. But eventually, drip, drip, drip, the
[16:14] Speaker 1: reality hits the page.
[16:17] Speaker 4: But just to summarize, taking our previous financial year, which
[16:20] Speaker 4: we just have the final budget outcome for, You're right,
[16:23] Speaker 4: debt was trending down and now it is trending up.
[16:27] Speaker 6: Its forecast to trend up. Is that accurate?
[16:29] Speaker 1: It is?
[16:30] Speaker 10: Yes.
[16:31] Speaker 6: So if debt is.
[16:34] Speaker 4: Rising and spending last year grew at five point five percent,
[16:38] Speaker 4: which is four times the rate of the economy, how
[16:42] Speaker 4: is the government adhering to its overarching physical strategy of
[16:45] Speaker 4: limiting growth in spending until.
[16:47] Speaker 6: Growth Debt as a share of the GDP is on
[16:49] Speaker 6: a downward trajectory, it's on an upward trajectory. It is
[16:54] Speaker 6: in the future year, Senity.
[16:55] Speaker 11: Yes, And as I said, if we look at growth
[16:59] Speaker 11: in spending over time, i'm rather than an individual year
[17:02] Speaker 11: into our years of the forward estimates, growth is pretty low.
[17:06] Speaker 6: It's well below five point five percent. Yeah, if you
[17:09] Speaker 6: believe the forecast.
[17:10] Speaker 4: But the government has set itself a pretty rubbery test
[17:14] Speaker 4: of limiting growth in spending until gross debt as a
[17:17] Speaker 4: share of GDP is on a downwards trajectory. But just
[17:20] Speaker 4: at the very moment that gross debt as a share
[17:23] Speaker 4: of GDP is on an upwood trajectory, spending growth is
[17:26] Speaker 4: also on an updood trajectory.
[17:27] Speaker 6: So they're not meeting that are they.
[17:31] Speaker 1: Important to know right dry as a week picks, but
[17:35] Speaker 1: important to know to every single person who wants to
[17:38] Speaker 1: hold this government accountable. And there are other Senators that
[17:41] Speaker 1: have done great jobs this week, But if it's a liberal,
[17:44] Speaker 1: pay attention to what Senator Patterson did. He did the work,
[17:47] Speaker 1: he asked the questions. He wasn't blown off by all
[17:49] Speaker 1: of the games they play, and we are the better
[17:52] Speaker 1: for it world. Une, Senator, what a great week you
[17:54] Speaker 1: have had now. One of the most amazing things that
[17:58] Speaker 1: we all saw today, this announcement of this imminent at
[18:02] Speaker 1: any second formal recognition, formal signing of the beginnings of
[18:07] Speaker 1: the peace deal between Israel and Hamas. Was this incredible
[18:12] Speaker 1: moment when part of that deal is not some all
[18:16] Speaker 1: of the hostages are going to come out. That'll be
[18:18] Speaker 1: happening on Monday. The person who broke at this, who
[18:21] Speaker 1: deserves all of the credit if and when it actually happens,
[18:25] Speaker 1: but all of our faith and belief is that it
[18:27] Speaker 1: will is Donald Trump, and he knows how to play
[18:31] Speaker 1: moments like this. The hostages will come back or coming
[18:35] Speaker 1: back on Monday. For the actual details of all of this,
[18:43] Speaker 1: Treutey Macintosh explains from our Canber Bureau.
[18:46] Speaker 2: It's been broken.
[18:47] Speaker 12: After these three day talks in Egypt, Hamas has agreed
[18:50] Speaker 12: to release all of the hostages, dead and alive. The
[18:54] Speaker 12: Israeli Defense Force has agreed to withdraw to an agreed
[18:58] Speaker 12: line within Gaza. Israel as a result, will also release
[19:02] Speaker 12: one hundreds, if not more, potentially more than a thousand
[19:06] Speaker 12: Palestinian prisoners, and more aid will be allowed into Gaza.
[19:10] Speaker 1: Big day, good news, hopefully, hopefully no more deaths. Right
[19:15] Speaker 1: in all directions. This is what the world has been
[19:17] Speaker 1: hoping for for a very very long period of time.
[19:20] Speaker 1: On a serious day when serious good news was afoot,
[19:25] Speaker 1: unseerious people were jumping all over the Eurovision Song Contest
[19:31] Speaker 1: because the Eurovision Song Contest for some reason also has
[19:35] Speaker 1: Israel in it, you know, the same way it's had
[19:37] Speaker 1: Australia in it. Not really part of Europe. But you
[19:39] Speaker 1: get my point, right, Well, serious questions we're asked today
[19:44] Speaker 1: of SBS because they're showing the Eurovision Song Contest that
[19:50] Speaker 1: might have Israel in it. The serious person asking the
[19:53] Speaker 1: questions one will, of course, one who will conclude I
[19:57] Speaker 1: am simply racist for pointing out how stupid this question was.
[20:02] Speaker 13: Israel is also set to attend and will perform pop
[20:05] Speaker 13: songs while the State of Israel bombs and berries Palastinian
[20:10] Speaker 13: children under rubble. Belgium, the Netherlands, and Portugal, Slovenia and
[20:14] Speaker 13: Ireland have all indicated their intention to withdraw from the
[20:18] Speaker 13: next Eurovision in Vienna if Israel participates. Will Australia, because
[20:23] Speaker 13: SBS is the broadcaster, will you also withdraw or will
[20:27] Speaker 13: you provide cover for Israel?
[20:30] Speaker 1: All right, And speaking of serious people doing serious things,
[20:33] Speaker 1: and a case for why we must have more federal
[20:35] Speaker 1: politicians in the Senate leading to the left to stop
[20:37] Speaker 1: the Libs if they ever won government again or permanently
[20:40] Speaker 1: locking in the Labor Party. Are the people who got
[20:42] Speaker 1: an extra staffer not to communicate with their little people,
[20:46] Speaker 1: but to help make them make crappy social media videos
[20:49] Speaker 1: every day like this one from a teal Oh me oh,
[20:55] Speaker 1: certain honorable person break o sun a laborer MP telling
[21:07] Speaker 1: us this.
[21:09] Speaker 6: Yee m.
[21:20] Speaker 1: Okay, and the federal health minister doing this maybe be
[21:28] Speaker 1: in a bar, you travel fucking car. They can do better,
[21:36] Speaker 1: but you're going to do the best because you're sitting
[21:39] Speaker 1: here and we're going to big show ahead. More to
[21:40] Speaker 1: talk about in just a moment or two time. Megan
[21:42] Speaker 1: Kelly looking forward to seeing her moment or two here
[21:45] Speaker 1: on Paul Murray Live Quick break Back with more. We've
[21:52] Speaker 1: got to rip it a night. We've got Jessey, it's
[21:54] Speaker 1: coming up from Bathurst, the Holy Place. We've got of course,
[21:56] Speaker 1: this great doco coming up about Australia and it's his
[22:00] Speaker 1: by a great former Prime minister. Friend of the show
[22:03] Speaker 1: now other than of course Tony Abbott. I'm looking forward
[22:05] Speaker 1: to seeing all of that in the next couple of weeks.
[22:07] Speaker 1: But also let's continue with two other great friends of
[22:09] Speaker 1: the show. Roscadell, national Senator doing his bit in the
[22:12] Speaker 1: Parliament as we speak, and Joe Hildebrand. If he toils
[22:15] Speaker 1: long enough for outside, it'll get rewarded with a spot
[22:17] Speaker 1: in it. When the people senate up, don't you just
[22:19] Speaker 1: don't you just well, if they expand the parliament, eventually
[22:22] Speaker 1: we're all going to come.
[22:23] Speaker 7: Everyone will get a toe, like a past the parcel
[22:25] Speaker 7: at an in the West birthday party.
[22:26] Speaker 9: Everyone I'll get a seat now.
[22:29] Speaker 1: Today there was a little mask that fell, and that
[22:32] Speaker 1: was the actual motivations behind some, not all, but the
[22:37] Speaker 1: organizers of the relentless protesting that made its way at
[22:40] Speaker 1: a zenith across the Harbor Bridge and then was trying
[22:43] Speaker 1: to have it at the Opera House. All of that,
[22:45] Speaker 1: of course due for this weekend. But there's a peace
[22:48] Speaker 1: deal which has now broken out thankfully. A court turned
[22:52] Speaker 1: around and said, well, hang on, you got fifty you
[22:54] Speaker 1: got ninety thousand people at least who walked across the bridge.
[22:57] Speaker 1: If you're going to have ninety thousand people trying to
[22:58] Speaker 1: shove their way past the Opera House, there's going to
[23:00] Speaker 1: be a crowd crush, right, That's just the way it
[23:03] Speaker 1: is that in the same way each and every year
[23:05] Speaker 1: on New Year's Eve, they stop people going in there
[23:07] Speaker 1: because it's full. That's the reason why the protest apparently
[23:11] Speaker 1: will not be happening, and that will be held in
[23:13] Speaker 1: contempt of court if they do. Here's the Premier.
[23:17] Speaker 14: I think it's the right decision. I'm glad that common
[23:19] Speaker 14: sense has prevailed here. We expect all applicants to abide
[23:23] Speaker 14: by the court's decision. I think reasonable people in Sydney
[23:26] Speaker 14: would expect the police to uphold this judgment on the weekend.
[23:29] Speaker 14: I know that there's been many Palestinian Action Group protests
[23:33] Speaker 14: over the last two years, something approaching one hundred during
[23:36] Speaker 14: that period of time.
[23:38] Speaker 1: Now interesting, as I said, the organizers of it arguing
[23:41] Speaker 1: before the court successfully last time, not successfully this time.
[23:44] Speaker 1: Interesting question that was asked and watch the answer. Remember
[23:48] Speaker 1: everyone knew this morning about the deal that Trump has
[23:51] Speaker 1: helped get done.
[23:54] Speaker 14: If there's a ceasefire at the next forty eight hours,
[23:56] Speaker 14: is there still a need to protest that Why?
[24:00] Speaker 15: Yes, because this goes beyond just the genocide over the
[24:02] Speaker 15: last two years. I hope that there is a ceasefire,
[24:04] Speaker 15: but I also am very skeptical as Israel has not
[24:07] Speaker 15: actually given any guarantees that they will cease fire, that
[24:11] Speaker 15: we will still need to fight to try and end
[24:14] Speaker 15: this complicity with an apartheid regiation.
[24:17] Speaker 1: All right, j let us not try to solve the
[24:18] Speaker 1: Middle East on the ear here. No, I'm ready, how
[24:21] Speaker 1: fascinating to watch? Right, No, we're still going to do it,
[24:23] Speaker 1: We still want to do it. Well, the ground had
[24:25] Speaker 1: shifted today.
[24:27] Speaker 7: I've been writing about this for weeks. These guys do
[24:30] Speaker 7: not care about Palestine. They do not care about Palestinians
[24:33] Speaker 7: any more than her Mask cares about Palestinians. This has
[24:35] Speaker 7: been proven time and time again. First the idea was
[24:38] Speaker 7: that Australia had to recognize a Palestinian state. Then Australia
[24:42] Speaker 7: did that, and know they still protest because this time
[24:45] Speaker 7: it was about you know, sanctioning, boycotting Israel.
[24:48] Speaker 9: And now of course you've.
[24:49] Speaker 7: Got Israel and her Mass actually in a peace deal together,
[24:54] Speaker 7: Israel and her Mas in a peace deal for a
[24:57] Speaker 7: cease fire in Palestine, more killing, with a possible pathway
[25:02] Speaker 7: to statehood. What are you protesting against? Correct, you're numpties.
[25:06] Speaker 7: What are you actually protesting against? And they couldn't even
[25:09] Speaker 7: say it, because of course it made no sense when
[25:11] Speaker 7: he was asked the question.
[25:12] Speaker 9: But absolutely no, say you go, well.
[25:14] Speaker 7: I just don't believe it a thing I said, because
[25:15] Speaker 7: he's rather parlot parlo genisad generaliside, genieside. They don't care
[25:19] Speaker 7: about the Palestinians. It's not about what happens in Palestine.
[25:22] Speaker 9: It's just so.
[25:23] Speaker 7: These dumb, tiny, teeny tiny, teeny needle little needle swinging
[25:27] Speaker 7: proverbials can get their selfies on the steps of the
[25:30] Speaker 7: Opera House, just like they did at the Harbor Bridge.
[25:33] Speaker 7: If that many people care about Palestine, if there's one
[25:35] Speaker 7: hundred thousand people who care so much about Palestine, they.
[25:38] Speaker 9: Just have to march on the Harbor Bridge?
[25:39] Speaker 7: Or where are they when they don't have the landmark
[25:42] Speaker 7: behind them for the Instagram selfies?
[25:44] Speaker 9: Why aren't they protesting every week?
[25:46] Speaker 7: Did you forget the genocide was going on every other
[25:49] Speaker 7: week for the part of that.
[25:50] Speaker 9: Why is it only the you.
[25:51] Speaker 7: Know, the few thousand ragtag rent a crowd, die hard
[25:54] Speaker 7: commies who rock up when it's just in Hyde Park.
[25:57] Speaker 7: But when you've got the Insta worthy backdrop, Oh, suddenly
[26:00] Speaker 7: I care about the children of Palestine.
[26:02] Speaker 9: And now when there is.
[26:04] Speaker 7: An actual ceasefied, actual peace deal that has actually been
[26:08] Speaker 7: agreed to by both parties, you're still going to go
[26:12] Speaker 7: out there again? Mate, who are your protesting against your
[26:15] Speaker 7: dumb trot? All of that's all. It's like all revolution
[26:20] Speaker 7: and no cause. These people are mental. They are dead
[26:23] Speaker 7: in their head.
[26:24] Speaker 1: Look at their eyes.
[26:25] Speaker 9: They're like sharks but without the teeth.
[26:27] Speaker 1: All right, God love you anyway, God like all right.
[26:30] Speaker 1: Obviously a couple of things here, because I don't want
[26:32] Speaker 1: to have the meeting tomorrow, all right, comparison to Master,
[26:35] Speaker 1: you're making it metaphorically not literally. Secondly, thanks, I didn't
[26:38] Speaker 1: call them mandy semitic. Yeah, the free advice about mental health,
[26:41] Speaker 1: let's put that to one side. And again, they are
[26:45] Speaker 1: the organizers of many of the protests that have taken place.
[26:47] Speaker 1: I don't say that because I don't share the passion.
[26:49] Speaker 1: I'm just saying I thank you very much. Okay, all right,
[26:52] Speaker 1: j you have played that role before. I've played for you. Now,
[26:56] Speaker 1: all right, Ross, let's talk about Chris Bowen. Per second.
[26:59] Speaker 1: Here's something we can all now. This year was again
[27:02] Speaker 1: great little piece in the Australia Today, which basically pulled
[27:05] Speaker 1: him up on a lot of the garbage that he's
[27:07] Speaker 1: been saying, including well what they referred to as Chris
[27:11] Speaker 1: information not disinformation, and of course that meant that the
[27:15] Speaker 1: Climate Change Minister was rushing to the Internet for a
[27:18] Speaker 1: rush of endorphins.
[27:21] Speaker 16: And we know that renewables and agriculture work well together,
[27:24] Speaker 16: with farmers choosing to host solar panels and sheep together
[27:27] Speaker 16: and win turbines and cattle together, for example, increasing their
[27:30] Speaker 16: income and making their income drought proof. So renewables is
[27:34] Speaker 16: actually good for agriculture. It won't take up the room
[27:37] Speaker 16: you read in the newspaper today when you read claims
[27:39] Speaker 16: by people who love nuclear but hate renewables. It always
[27:43] Speaker 16: pays to check the facts, all.
[27:45] Speaker 1: Right, Ross when discussing the facts on whom's side do
[27:48] Speaker 1: they fall?
[27:51] Speaker 10: They formed the reality of Australia. This is a group
[27:54] Speaker 10: rainforest reserves Australia, not National Party members, not one nation members.
[27:58] Speaker 1: These are true.
[27:59] Speaker 10: Environmental that have had enough the Bob Brown, the Christine
[28:02] Speaker 10: Milne Crown of what this is doing to all the
[28:06] Speaker 10: natural beauty of Australia. And when they come out and
[28:08] Speaker 10: say half a million hectares of land will be taken
[28:12] Speaker 10: for all the infrastructure.
[28:13] Speaker 6: On this they are right.
[28:14] Speaker 10: This is the question.
[28:16] Speaker 6: Mac was in there.
[28:17] Speaker 10: Canavan was in there asking the questions. Have they modeled
[28:20] Speaker 10: how much land to the Agricultural Department. No, they don't
[28:23] Speaker 10: want to know because they don't want to the answer.
[28:24] Speaker 10: They don't want to be able to tell you. When
[28:26] Speaker 10: mister Bowen gets up there and says, oh, no, trust me,
[28:28] Speaker 10: trust me, this is the same thing we found in
[28:31] Speaker 10: estimates this week. They are trying to bring misinformation and
[28:33] Speaker 10: disinformation back. They're having consultations with what the department found
[28:37] Speaker 10: out because he wants to be the only source of truth.
[28:40] Speaker 10: And not only are we finding about half a million
[28:43] Speaker 10: hectares of land for his rollout on their deforestation, reforestation
[28:48] Speaker 10: to get to their carbon targets at a roughly up
[28:51] Speaker 10: to ten million hectares of australiand twice the size of
[28:54] Speaker 10: Tasmani or almost will be needed to reforest to get
[28:57] Speaker 10: to their targets. This is ridiculous. The numbers don't work.
[29:01] Speaker 10: They don't want us to get down there. They don't
[29:02] Speaker 10: want us to find the details. They just want us
[29:05] Speaker 10: to believe the hype. We need to do this, Becauese.
[29:07] Speaker 10: We are the best country in the world. We are
[29:09] Speaker 10: a green energy superpower. According to Chris, it's a load
[29:13] Speaker 10: of bollocks. Give us the bloody answers and let's make
[29:15] Speaker 10: decisions on real facts, not this hyperbole.
[29:19] Speaker 1: Yeah, Joe, I mean the reality is that if they
[29:21] Speaker 1: want to get anywhere near eighty percent renewables, they've got
[29:24] Speaker 1: to build an awful lot of it, right, yep. It
[29:27] Speaker 1: has to go in lots of different places, right. And
[29:31] Speaker 1: you know when I see documentaries like our friend Chris Yulman,
[29:34] Speaker 1: and you see the map of where everything's going to go, Logically,
[29:37] Speaker 1: if you've gone driving, you see the explosion and the
[29:39] Speaker 1: scale of this stuff, right, Because remember, this power grid
[29:42] Speaker 1: isn't just for the twenty seven men that live here now.
[29:46] Speaker 1: It grows and grows and grows as the people and
[29:48] Speaker 1: the demand for it is. So is Bowen just playing
[29:52] Speaker 1: to what he believes to be enough people on the
[29:54] Speaker 1: internet to shut out this kind of staff Because when
[29:58] Speaker 1: you hear what Ross just said about some of the
[29:59] Speaker 1: people behind this information, yeah, these are people who you
[30:02] Speaker 1: would have assumed previously would have been on the bus.
[30:05] Speaker 17: Yeah.
[30:05] Speaker 7: Look, I think there's no sort of monolith. I mean,
[30:08] Speaker 7: you see even the green splitting on this stuff where
[30:10] Speaker 7: you've got a couple of current senators and a couple
[30:12] Speaker 7: of former leaders who are raising misgivings about this. But
[30:15] Speaker 7: the truth is, I think a lot of it is,
[30:17] Speaker 7: you know, a bit of kind of nimbism.
[30:19] Speaker 9: And I don't mean that in a bad way.
[30:20] Speaker 7: But obviously, if you've got wind turbines on your property
[30:24] Speaker 7: or on your once unspoilt horizon that you look at
[30:27] Speaker 7: every day where previously you didn't, it's going to be
[30:29] Speaker 7: a massive problem for you. If you don't, then it's
[30:32] Speaker 7: probably not. And of course you're always going to remember
[30:34] Speaker 7: the wind turbines.
[30:35] Speaker 14: You do.
[30:36] Speaker 7: So everyone remembers the wind turbines, you know, driving across
[30:39] Speaker 7: you know, like George ands Canberra, no one remembers the other,
[30:42] Speaker 7: you know, two hundred and fifty kilometers where you don't
[30:44] Speaker 7: see them.
[30:45] Speaker 9: So I think, and I think in terms.
[30:48] Speaker 7: Of the scale of the role of the rollout or
[30:50] Speaker 7: the actual footprint of them, I don't think anybody knows.
[30:53] Speaker 7: I think it's a bit with climate change and the
[30:56] Speaker 7: response to it. It's a raw sshact test where I
[30:58] Speaker 7: reckon anyone can put together some thing that is certainly
[31:01] Speaker 7: not wrong, Like I have no doubt that this is
[31:03] Speaker 7: well research. But maybe it is up to ten million,
[31:06] Speaker 7: but maybe it's two million, and yes that is up
[31:08] Speaker 7: to ten million. So you know you can, you know
[31:11] Speaker 7: you can. I think you can map it out to
[31:13] Speaker 7: present a case which suits what you already believe.
[31:16] Speaker 1: I think also something inside all of this, and certainly
[31:19] Speaker 1: anyone who's throwing things at the telly right now in
[31:22] Speaker 1: regional Australia, I think part of this ross again is
[31:25] Speaker 1: that people want the load to be spread right now.
[31:28] Speaker 1: I do love I remember somebody somewhere we're saying more
[31:31] Speaker 1: but there's more wind and there's more sun in the bush,
[31:33] Speaker 1: and you go, hang on, and yes there are more people.
[31:35] Speaker 1: That mean you can't cover the inner cities. But do
[31:39] Speaker 1: you just imagine if every local government area had to
[31:42] Speaker 1: have a certain percentage of energy creation in their local communities.
[31:47] Speaker 1: It'd be fascinating to see what Zali and the rest
[31:50] Speaker 1: of them would say about the northern beaches of Sydney.
[31:55] Speaker 10: Well, eight win turbys in Northern Sydney aren't good enough
[31:58] Speaker 10: for there. We can't do that there wrong, And that
[32:00] Speaker 10: this gets to the nimbiaism, But if we're talking ten million hectares,
[32:03] Speaker 10: it's not NIMBYism as everywhere ism in the bush. And
[32:06] Speaker 10: this is what we get to if you fly over
[32:07] Speaker 10: acres of acres of warehouses when you go into any
[32:10] Speaker 10: capital city, not enough solar panels on it. So panels
[32:14] Speaker 10: are popular because everyone's got nine or ten or twelve
[32:16] Speaker 10: on their roof. But when you're talking about half a
[32:18] Speaker 10: billion needed to be built to get to these places,
[32:21] Speaker 10: half a billion solar.
[32:21] Speaker 6: Panels, this is what we want.
[32:23] Speaker 10: Maybe we need reparations from cities, compensation to give the
[32:26] Speaker 10: power in over and above because they're not using their lands.
[32:29] Speaker 10: Then when when we see the consequences hit cities, we'll
[32:32] Speaker 10: start to see some relevance and planning and real consequence.
[32:35] Speaker 10: For people that don't care what happens, well, they don't see.
[32:38] Speaker 10: And it's not the two hundred and fifty k's you
[32:40] Speaker 10: drive without seeing a wind tower. It's see millions and
[32:43] Speaker 10: millions of kilometers that will be taken. All this sort
[32:47] Speaker 10: of stuff.
[32:47] Speaker 9: It's just not good enough.
[32:49] Speaker 10: But because people never leave the main road in driving
[32:51] Speaker 10: good of cities, they don't see the small towns that
[32:53] Speaker 10: suffer quickly.
[32:54] Speaker 1: We want to talk about poke East before I get
[32:56] Speaker 1: a winner and loser of the week, and then we're
[32:57] Speaker 1: off to have a chat with Megan and Jess. The
[33:01] Speaker 1: Greens and the Australian Christian Lobby are getting together. Why
[33:03] Speaker 1: because they want to wind back the trading hours of Pokeys.
[33:07] Speaker 1: Because look, as many people would know, and certainly if
[33:10] Speaker 1: you drive around in Queensland there are signs about these
[33:13] Speaker 1: joints being opened till four am. Right whinding it back now,
[33:16] Speaker 1: whether you wind it back to two to one to midnight, Joe,
[33:18] Speaker 1: give me thirty seconds, is this the way to pump
[33:22] Speaker 1: the brakes?
[33:22] Speaker 7: Look, I think if they're far left from the far right,
[33:25] Speaker 7: united on something, it's a certainly a bad idea. I
[33:28] Speaker 7: don't have a dog in a fight with pokes. It's
[33:30] Speaker 7: one addiction I haven't had to beat. But look, I
[33:34] Speaker 7: don't think we need more of them. Put it that way,
[33:36] Speaker 7: so you know, I could probably live with it, But.
[33:40] Speaker 1: To me it seems like again, look as somebody who
[33:41] Speaker 1: plays them and has loved them and all the rest,
[33:43] Speaker 1: don't worry. Relax everyone, there's new issues. The idea of
[33:46] Speaker 1: three am on a Tuesday, maybe not. Maybe the Friday,
[33:49] Speaker 1: maybe the Saturday. All right, Ross, you're winner or loser
[33:53] Speaker 1: of the week for me, my friend.
[33:55] Speaker 10: I've got to be serious. I know it's a good one,
[33:57] Speaker 10: but when you get a piece to tready going in
[33:59] Speaker 10: the middle, it's got to be Trump, big winner. If
[34:02] Speaker 10: this is unbelievably good. It's not overly happy or out there,
[34:06] Speaker 10: but it's amazing. And the loser it's the new minister
[34:10] Speaker 10: out there in the communication Minister.
[34:14] Speaker 1: Yeah, findonic actually anything cojin about Optus. I'm with your roster.
[34:19] Speaker 1: Sorry to cut you off. I'm just up against a
[34:20] Speaker 1: clock here, mate, all right, literally as fast as you can.
[34:23] Speaker 7: Joe are obviously the Palestinian Action Group for being literally
[34:27] Speaker 7: losing in the courts and still showing the world how
[34:29] Speaker 7: pathetically ridiculous their stupid arguments are, and also the winner conversely,
[34:34] Speaker 7: the Palestinian people because they finally have a shot at peace,
[34:38] Speaker 7: they finally have a potential pathway to statehood about most importantly,
[34:42] Speaker 7: the killing, it seems has finally stopped.
[34:44] Speaker 1: All right, Thank you, Joe, Thank you.
[34:45] Speaker 9: Ross.
[34:45] Speaker 1: Will see you again next week. None of them than
[34:47] Speaker 1: Meghan Kelly, She joins us next from the US. It
[34:57] Speaker 1: is our favorite time of the week to talk to
[34:59] Speaker 1: our favorite person in the world, making Kelly husting and
[35:01] Speaker 1: making Kelly show. But she's so much more than that.
[35:03] Speaker 1: Tell us Stradia about the politician who might be the
[35:07] Speaker 1: next governor of California who doesn't like being asked really
[35:12] Speaker 1: easy questions.
[35:15] Speaker 2: She's so wonderful. She's a gift.
[35:18] Speaker 18: Honestly, sometimes you gotta love the Democrats because they put
[35:22] Speaker 18: themselves into a beautiful Christmas box with all the lovely rapping,
[35:26] Speaker 18: and they put a nice bow on it, and they
[35:28] Speaker 18: deliver themselves to us. Friend of the front doorsteps, this
[35:32] Speaker 18: woman is spectacular.
[35:34] Speaker 2: I pray, please, please God let her win, Please please
[35:38] Speaker 2: let us have her for another four years. She's not
[35:40] Speaker 2: my problem. She's gonna be the California's problem.
[35:41] Speaker 18: But that's you know that, we'll cross that bridge. Her
[35:44] Speaker 18: name is Katie Porter. She's a nightmare. She's everything you
[35:48] Speaker 18: picture when you picture a leftist. And there are a
[35:52] Speaker 18: lot of interviews. Now, okay, because now I'm I'm becoming
[35:55] Speaker 18: an expert on Katie Porter slowly, but Shirley, I didn't
[35:58] Speaker 18: really know her very well before the past twenty four hours.
[36:01] Speaker 2: But there's a lot of interviews.
[36:02] Speaker 19: Where she gets very Snappy's she's got an anger management problem, Paul,
[36:09] Speaker 19: which makes her really interesting. So she sits down with
[36:12] Speaker 19: this journalist from CBS News in California who's doing one
[36:16] Speaker 19: of those pieces where you got ten candidates and you
[36:21] Speaker 19: ask them all the same five questions and then you
[36:23] Speaker 19: splice and dice it and you present it to the audience,
[36:25] Speaker 19: giving them the chance to say, like, oh, I like
[36:27] Speaker 19: that guy's answer on that one, or I liked her
[36:29] Speaker 19: answer on the other one.
[36:30] Speaker 2: This is not like new journalism.
[36:31] Speaker 18: This is a tried and tested form of trying to
[36:35] Speaker 18: differentiate candidates. They're in the midst of the of the
[36:37] Speaker 18: Democrat primary and she gets to Katie.
[36:40] Speaker 2: Porter, who is the leader. She looks like she's going
[36:43] Speaker 2: to win.
[36:44] Speaker 18: She's far ahead in the polls, and she's a far
[36:47] Speaker 18: left progressive. I mean, of course, California right on brand.
[36:50] Speaker 20: You just said you don't need those Trump voters you
[36:52] Speaker 20: are speof I need them to win.
[36:54] Speaker 6: You don't feel like this is unnecessarily argumentative?
[36:56] Speaker 1: What is your question?
[36:57] Speaker 6: So I don't want to keep doing this.
[36:59] Speaker 1: I'm going to call it.
[37:00] Speaker 8: Thank you.
[37:03] Speaker 2: You're not gonna do the interview with them?
[37:05] Speaker 1: No, not like this.
[37:05] Speaker 6: I'm not not with seven follow ups to every single
[37:07] Speaker 6: question you.
[37:08] Speaker 2: Ask every other candidate has.
[37:10] Speaker 1: I don't care. I had to do this before.
[37:13] Speaker 2: Ever, You've never had had an conversation.
[37:18] Speaker 18: It's like the interviewer slipped into Latin, like what do
[37:21] Speaker 18: you mean?
[37:22] Speaker 2: What are you? What are you talking about?
[37:23] Speaker 9: Like?
[37:24] Speaker 2: What am I gonna do?
[37:24] Speaker 15: What?
[37:27] Speaker 2: Nothing? What do you mean?
[37:28] Speaker 18: And the reporter, who's just I love the reporter because
[37:32] Speaker 18: she pretends she's just asking questions, but she is mildly antagonistic.
[37:37] Speaker 1: Yeah, she got some sass, and I love it. I
[37:40] Speaker 1: love some sas she does.
[37:42] Speaker 2: She does so it's like the unspoken things.
[37:44] Speaker 18: She gets to pretend that she's just asking questions, but
[37:46] Speaker 18: she is poking. I'm sorry, but I just love this
[37:52] Speaker 18: clip so much. My team was like, no, she shorten it,
[37:54] Speaker 18: you know, it's like too long. I'm like, what are
[37:56] Speaker 18: you crazy? I'm like, let the whole thing play, Let
[37:58] Speaker 18: the whole three and a half minutes play out, because
[38:00] Speaker 18: you got to see how the reporter's like everybody else.
[38:03] Speaker 2: Has answered these questions.
[38:04] Speaker 18: You can't answer a question about what you're gonna do
[38:05] Speaker 18: to appeal to forty percent well, and then Katie Porter
[38:08] Speaker 18: just blows She can't handle it anymore. She's got the
[38:12] Speaker 18: whole body language. They're like I'm done, and you're like, oh,
[38:15] Speaker 18: ron run. She knows she should keep it together because
[38:17] Speaker 18: she's on camera and she knows she knows that this
[38:20] Speaker 18: is like her campaign slipping away as she can't control
[38:22] Speaker 18: her anger.
[38:23] Speaker 2: And then the little needler just keeps being like totally,
[38:25] Speaker 2: like you're not gonna answer the question.
[38:26] Speaker 18: Everybody else is everybody else everyone Everyone's answered them, but
[38:29] Speaker 18: you you can't answer questions.
[38:31] Speaker 2: She's like, this never happened before. She's like, you've never
[38:33] Speaker 2: been asked questions before.
[38:34] Speaker 18: One upsmanship to the point where Katie Porter realizes she
[38:37] Speaker 18: cannot walk away and it ends in disaster, ruination, and despair,
[38:43] Speaker 18: which is why we all love it so much. But
[38:45] Speaker 18: now we're starting to get all these old Katie Porter clips,
[38:48] Speaker 18: Like now I feel like all these deep throats are
[38:51] Speaker 18: sending me unearthed clips of her. I just got one
[38:55] Speaker 18: before I came on of her doing like a taped
[38:58] Speaker 18: interview with somebody and staffer.
[39:00] Speaker 2: Makes the mistake of walking behind her in the head.
[39:07] Speaker 20: Dying prematurely to air pollution and other problems, and the
[39:11] Speaker 20: state could lose book.
[39:14] Speaker 9: You're out shot.
[39:17] Speaker 1: Okay, you also were in my shot before that.
[39:21] Speaker 9: Stay out of my shot.
[39:27] Speaker 2: Sorry, get out of my shot.
[39:29] Speaker 1: What about Kamala Harris? Now, I actually read somewhere that
[39:33] Speaker 1: people did buy her book, or at least three hundred
[39:35] Speaker 1: thousand people, or at least a lot of donors. But
[39:39] Speaker 1: you know, we're now into the after dark version of
[39:43] Speaker 1: the book tour where we're working blue. Now we're dropping
[39:46] Speaker 1: the F bomb. Oh she's she's reminding us how hips
[39:50] Speaker 1: she could have been if she was the President. Trump
[39:52] Speaker 1: did that on the south lawn of the White House,
[39:54] Speaker 1: by the way.
[39:56] Speaker 18: Yeah, she is faking it. I mean, that's why it
[40:00] Speaker 18: doesn't work. You know, you and I both know nothing
[40:03] Speaker 18: wrong with deploying a good swear here and there, as
[40:06] Speaker 18: Katie Porter agrees, but it has to be authentic to
[40:09] Speaker 18: you in order for it to work. You can't have
[40:11] Speaker 18: all these democrats running around like they have been trying
[40:13] Speaker 18: to recruit young men because they know they've lost them
[40:17] Speaker 18: by dropping like strategically placed F bombs. That does not work,
[40:21] Speaker 18: And it certainly doesn't work for Mama Law to try
[40:25] Speaker 18: to switch up her image into street Kamala, who's like
[40:29] Speaker 18: now dropping F bombs while promoting her book.
[40:33] Speaker 17: Owing up to the responsibility that is a powerful have
[40:38] Speaker 17: to have some level of concern and care, if not
[40:41] Speaker 17: just curiosity.
[40:43] Speaker 18: I mean, it's just it's one more artifice around this woman.
[40:47] Speaker 18: There's not an authentic bone in her body. I guess
[40:51] Speaker 18: she realizes she has to give up like the accents
[40:53] Speaker 18: because they've become such a punchline. So now she's switching
[40:57] Speaker 18: into mfor at every book tour to sound cool and
[41:00] Speaker 18: like she's in on the joke and she's one of
[41:02] Speaker 18: the cool kids. It's like, Okay, nobody looks at Kamala
[41:06] Speaker 18: and thinks she's cool. And she drops f bombs. They
[41:10] Speaker 18: think ven diagram, they think school buses. They think what
[41:13] Speaker 18: a weirdo she married, and that she covered up for
[41:16] Speaker 18: Joe Biden's mental infirmities and that's about it.
[41:18] Speaker 2: And that she's kind of dopey.
[41:19] Speaker 18: I mean that she's kind of dopey, but not event
[41:22] Speaker 18: that's her new I guess tactic to make herself seem likable,
[41:25] Speaker 18: and that actually has a lot of people that the
[41:27] Speaker 18: whole thing with the book sales and so on, thinking
[41:30] Speaker 18: she is going to run for president again, which I
[41:35] Speaker 18: also am in favor of.
[41:36] Speaker 2: See earlier reasoning.
[41:39] Speaker 1: Love you Megan Megan Kelly joining us. You can of
[41:41] Speaker 1: course say the Megan Kelly Show on YouTube, Serious exam,
[41:44] Speaker 1: all right, quick break and then after that bathist time,
[41:47] Speaker 1: my favorite sporting time of the year and one of
[41:50] Speaker 1: my favorite people to talk about it, joins us. Snaxt
[41:57] Speaker 1: If I've got a spatial springing a statement as smile
[42:00] Speaker 1: on my face, it's because bath is der baby food.
[42:04] Speaker 1: He's done. This is the time of the year that
[42:06] Speaker 1: I just go nuts. I love it and the lady
[42:08] Speaker 1: who's been presenting it better than anyone else in the
[42:11] Speaker 1: business for a very long time. She deserves her own
[42:14] Speaker 1: spot in a hall of fame. Our dear friend Jesse Yates,
[42:17] Speaker 1: of course from Fox Sports, I give you a rap
[42:20] Speaker 1: d but why not because it is that time of
[42:22] Speaker 1: the year and you kick ass every year. Mate. How's
[42:25] Speaker 1: the mountain? Hey?
[42:27] Speaker 20: PM, Well, it's Christmas in October, isn't it? Because about
[42:30] Speaker 20: this one thousand is here. This is one of the
[42:33] Speaker 20: best weeks in Australian sport. You know what, in world sport,
[42:37] Speaker 20: there is not a sporting event like this on the planet.
[42:40] Speaker 20: It's just incredible to be here, so much energy despite
[42:43] Speaker 20: the horrific weather that we've had today. It's been winny,
[42:46] Speaker 20: it's been wet, but it has not dampened any of
[42:48] Speaker 20: the enthusiasm for the great race. And now the countdown
[42:51] Speaker 20: really begins. We've got one day down and a couple
[42:54] Speaker 20: more to go before we get into one hundred and
[42:56] Speaker 20: sixty one laps of unbelievable car racing.
[42:59] Speaker 1: Here, so important for people to know. Friday is really important. Okay,
[43:03] Speaker 1: So everyone's very used to watching the top ten shoot
[43:06] Speaker 1: out for a long time. Obviously the race itself, but
[43:09] Speaker 1: Friday is when everyone is qualifying and basically every position
[43:13] Speaker 1: from eleven to the end of the field. So you
[43:16] Speaker 1: can get some big names dropping out, but this is
[43:18] Speaker 1: how you get yourself into the top ten. So tomorrow
[43:21] Speaker 1: afternoon matters, doesn't it.
[43:24] Speaker 2: It sure does.
[43:24] Speaker 20: It's actually one of the best sessions of the weekend.
[43:27] Speaker 1: You're right.
[43:27] Speaker 20: Everyone raves about the top ten shootout and that is
[43:30] Speaker 20: really special, but qualifying is so critical and we save
[43:34] Speaker 20: it for the very end of Friday. It is one
[43:37] Speaker 20: of those moments where everyone holds their breath as the
[43:40] Speaker 20: session clicks down, because you're right, it sets the grid
[43:43] Speaker 20: for the big race on Sunday.
[43:45] Speaker 2: So much energy in it, and given the weather.
[43:47] Speaker 20: We've had here today, it's sort of hard to know
[43:49] Speaker 20: exactly what we might get tomorrow. The forecast is saying
[43:51] Speaker 20: that it will be dry, but considering that it's been
[43:53] Speaker 20: really tricky on track today we had two major incidents
[43:57] Speaker 20: over the course of two practice sessions, we're sort of
[43:59] Speaker 20: going into tomorrow with a bit of the unknown ahead
[44:02] Speaker 20: of us, which also makes it really exciting here on
[44:04] Speaker 20: the mountain. But yeah, qualifying is one of the best sessions,
[44:07] Speaker 20: So make sure that you're home from work. You posted
[44:09] Speaker 20: it up on the lounge and you're able to watch it.
[44:11] Speaker 1: Bloody Oath, Bloody Oath. All right, Now, let's talk about
[44:13] Speaker 1: the real reason I wanted to get you on the television,
[44:15] Speaker 1: which is you have put a lot of hard work
[44:18] Speaker 1: and a lot of effort into not just the creation
[44:21] Speaker 1: but also the promotion of this wonderful book, which is
[44:23] Speaker 1: four kids to introduce them to this wonderful world of motorsport.
[44:27] Speaker 1: Let's go racing sort of age between three and five.
[44:30] Speaker 1: The pictures of gorgeous. The story is awesome and what
[44:33] Speaker 1: I love, Jess, is that it is a way to
[44:36] Speaker 1: get kids into a sport that you can love for
[44:38] Speaker 1: the rest of your life. Well done done, Thank you.
[44:42] Speaker 20: Yeah, I've got your copy right here, PM, so I'm
[44:44] Speaker 20: going to give it to you when you get up
[44:46] Speaker 20: to Mount Panorama this weekend.
[44:48] Speaker 2: But thank you. This has been so much fun to create.
[44:52] Speaker 20: It's sort of like birthing a baby, isn't it, you know,
[44:55] Speaker 20: all about you know, the creative process that goes into
[44:58] Speaker 20: projects like this. We've actually got it for sale here
[45:01] Speaker 20: at the track this weekend, which has been amazing. I've
[45:03] Speaker 20: had lots of little kids come up to me today
[45:05] Speaker 20: to say hello and tell me and show me their
[45:08] Speaker 20: favorite pictures and their favorite parts.
[45:09] Speaker 2: Of the story.
[45:10] Speaker 20: I had a teacher send me an amazing photo of
[45:13] Speaker 20: his class. They've been reading it in class he's had.
[45:16] Speaker 20: I think it was just an excuse to talk about
[45:18] Speaker 20: car racing and rewatch some of the baths one thousands
[45:21] Speaker 20: from yesteryear, But now we're talking all about motorsport understanding,
[45:25] Speaker 20: you know, the safety aspect of it, the mechanical part
[45:29] Speaker 20: of what we do here. So it's provided a really
[45:32] Speaker 20: great tool to have a conversation about some of the
[45:34] Speaker 20: wonderful jobs.
[45:35] Speaker 2: That we have in the pit lane here.
[45:37] Speaker 20: So you know, I've just loved working on this. It's
[45:39] Speaker 20: been really really fun and I can't actually wait to
[45:42] Speaker 20: do the next one, which hopefully i'll have for you
[45:43] Speaker 20: next year.
[45:44] Speaker 1: Bloody.
[45:44] Speaker 14: Oh.
[45:45] Speaker 1: Now you are an amazing mum, which means you have
[45:48] Speaker 1: read a lot of kids books, right, And you know
[45:50] Speaker 1: I am, you know, crappy dad, but I do my
[45:52] Speaker 1: best right and I've read lots of kids books as well.
[45:54] Speaker 1: So there's always that part of you that goes, I reckon,
[45:55] Speaker 1: I could, I reckon I could, and then you sort
[45:57] Speaker 1: of start to think and then you go, no, most
[45:59] Speaker 1: people can't. This is actually a skill to be able
[46:02] Speaker 1: to go from you know, it's a little bit like
[46:05] Speaker 1: going from being the professional leader to the chef. You've
[46:08] Speaker 1: made the transition. Your kids are obviously a little bit
[46:11] Speaker 1: older here, but what do they think of mum.
[46:13] Speaker 9: Making a book?
[46:16] Speaker 20: They have been incredible. They've been a huge part of
[46:20] Speaker 20: this process. So my son Sam Egan is a car fanatic.
[46:25] Speaker 20: Brody Bisteki is his favorite race card driver, and so
[46:28] Speaker 20: really I wrote this for them because like you, I mean,
[46:31] Speaker 20: I've read all the kids' books out there are to read.
[46:34] Speaker 20: I often think, oh my god, if I have to
[46:35] Speaker 20: read that one more time. I just don't think I
[46:38] Speaker 20: can face it. So I really wanted to create something
[46:40] Speaker 20: that was going to be fun for mum and dad
[46:42] Speaker 20: as well as the kids. So my kids were my
[46:45] Speaker 20: test audience. Sam Egan knows this off by heart. He
[46:48] Speaker 20: knows every word. He loves the pictures and the illustrations.
[46:51] Speaker 20: So it's actually been a lot of fun to share
[46:53] Speaker 20: with the kids and get their feedback.
[46:55] Speaker 2: They're give me tons of ideas.
[46:57] Speaker 20: So I'm sorry to all the mums and dads.
[46:58] Speaker 2: Out there that have half freaks in their house.
[47:01] Speaker 20: You're probably going to know this book off by heart
[47:03] Speaker 20: because I've already had some of the guys in the
[47:05] Speaker 20: pit lane and say to me, oh, we're so happy
[47:08] Speaker 20: to have a car racing because there's really sort of
[47:09] Speaker 20: nothing else out there that captures what we do here
[47:12] Speaker 20: at Supercars and in the pitl eight. So I spent
[47:14] Speaker 20: a lot of fun.
[47:15] Speaker 1: What I love about it is again, it is an
[47:18] Speaker 1: opportunity to educate people about motorsport. But here's how it works, right.
[47:21] Speaker 1: This an't the ABC We Here to Move product. Okay, Now,
[47:24] Speaker 1: Nana and Popper, if you're watching, you've got to buy
[47:26] Speaker 1: one for all of them, regardless of how old they are.
[47:29] Speaker 1: Mum and Dad. You know you always have to have
[47:31] Speaker 1: a spare copy. I want Jess to have a second, third,
[47:33] Speaker 1: and fourth story on a house. Okay, let's go racing
[47:37] Speaker 1: available trackside or online or put all of the details
[47:40] Speaker 1: up in our socials. Jess, We'll see you all weekend
[47:42] Speaker 1: long on channel five oh six on FOXTEWL on KO
[47:45] Speaker 1: the Baptist Channel, and I'll see you in person on Saturday.
[47:47] Speaker 20: Mate, you're an angel. Thanks PM, I'll see you on
[47:51] Speaker 20: the mountain.
[47:53] Speaker 1: You think I'm a little bit excited. And of course
[47:55] Speaker 1: all the best to my mates at Erebus DJR Team eighteen,
[47:59] Speaker 1: all of them. Right, good luck this weekend, what a
[48:01] Speaker 1: big one. It's going to be all right, before we go,
[48:03] Speaker 1: remember last night on the show, I told you about
[48:05] Speaker 1: the story about Dolly Parton and concerns about her health,
[48:09] Speaker 1: all of that, of course coming from the fact that
[48:12] Speaker 1: her sister had previously turned around and said thoughts and prayers,
[48:15] Speaker 1: send it all she needs it. Well, Dolly, well, you
[48:19] Speaker 1: can't keep a good lady down right. She's up and
[48:21] Speaker 1: about and here she was on the internet today.
[48:26] Speaker 2: But I figured if you heard it.
[48:28] Speaker 6: From me, you'd know that I was okay.
[48:31] Speaker 2: So anyhow, that's what I wanted to say. And I'm
[48:35] Speaker 2: not ready to die yet. I don't think God is
[48:37] Speaker 2: through with me and I don't work it.
[48:41] Speaker 1: Supercasa on maun Panorama, Dolly Parton's okay, the wrestling is
[48:46] Speaker 1: going to be in Perth. What a massive one that
[48:48] Speaker 1: is for people that may will have traveled from all
[48:49] Speaker 1: over the country or Crown Jewel the premium live event
[48:53] Speaker 1: on Saturday night would smack down on the Friday and
[48:56] Speaker 1: roar on the Monday. See we'll cover it all here right.
[48:58] Speaker 1: Plus you know the plan to increase the parliament. We
[49:01] Speaker 1: follow every grain of hand, almost on every beach in
[49:04] Speaker 1: the entire country. That's our shirw tonight. Thank you very
[49:06] Speaker 1: much for watching him. As always, you can stay in
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