# Paul Murray Live | 24 June

An episode of [Paul Murray Live](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/376966263), 24 Jun 2026, 49 min.

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ASIO delivered a warning on antisemitic extremism, Pauline Hanson clarifies her meaning of 'monoculture'. Plus, Labor's latest budget scandal deepens. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:00] Speaker 1: From the Sky New Center. This is Paul Murray Live.
[0:06] Speaker 1: Thank you, Carolyn. Big Show tonight, including the wonderful dial Lee.
[0:09] Speaker 1: She will explain the thinking behind that big question she
[0:12] Speaker 1: asked in Parliament that annoyed the Prime Minister. Lots of
[0:15] Speaker 1: debate to be had, and we'll even have a little
[0:16] Speaker 1: bit of fun with the acting Ambassador from the United
[0:19] Speaker 1: States to Australia. But I want to continue on with
[0:22] Speaker 1: the breaking news this evening that Caroline has just brought
[0:25] Speaker 1: you that the AZO Director Mike Burgess has delivered the
[0:28] Speaker 1: annual threat Assessment. This is always a sobering speech. It
[0:32] Speaker 1: is difficult to read, but to hear the seriousness in
[0:36] Speaker 1: his voice is something I want to take a couple
[0:37] Speaker 1: of seconds to talk about. Terrorism has many potential forms
[0:43] Speaker 1: in twenty twenty six. A point that Mike Burgess made
[0:46] Speaker 1: today is that people are being radicalized in a period
[0:51] Speaker 1: of weeks, and it's often happening privately, and it's happening online.
[0:55] Speaker 1: It is not happening where it may have ten or
[0:57] Speaker 1: twenty years ago, where you were able to watch a
[1:00] Speaker 1: person slowly but surely start to move towards the fringes
[1:03] Speaker 1: of a community. This is in part how we refers
[1:06] Speaker 1: to the multifaceted threat that Australia faces when it comes
[1:10] Speaker 1: to terrorism, which is still declared to be probable.
[1:13] Speaker 2: In Australia, we face multifaceted instability where state sponsored aggression
[1:19] Speaker 2: and domestic volatility intersect. At the center of this convergence
[1:24] Speaker 2: are the cute and persistent pressures of espionage, foreign interference,
[1:28] Speaker 2: and politically motivated violence. However, that perimeter is expanding for
[1:36] Speaker 2: obvious reasons.
[1:36] Speaker 1: You know that terrorism has taken the lives of people
[1:41] Speaker 1: in Australia. Of course, we all know what happened in Bondi,
[1:45] Speaker 1: but there are many facets of anti Semitism that can
[1:48] Speaker 1: lead to radicalization, and that radicalization can lead to people
[1:53] Speaker 1: being targeted or killed.
[1:57] Speaker 2: We've already seen surging communal violence and press for sabotage.
[2:03] Speaker 2: This diversity represents systemic challenge to our national security. Anti
[2:09] Speaker 2: Semitism is a case in point. Anti Semitism is often
[2:14] Speaker 2: seen through a narrow lens, when in reality, it can
[2:16] Speaker 2: originate from diverse sources, simultaneously challenging traditional definitions, assumptions, and approaches.
[2:25] Speaker 2: Sadly and illogically, hatred of Jews is one thing virtually
[2:28] Speaker 2: all violent extremists cohorts have in common. Neo Nazis are
[2:33] Speaker 2: anti Semitic. Islamic extremism is anti Semitic.
[2:39] Speaker 1: He also says that radical right and radical left wing
[2:43] Speaker 1: groups equally can be antisemitic. Again, think about the task
[2:48] Speaker 1: that our national security apparatus has to be across with
[2:53] Speaker 1: a multifaceted population. A porous border because of technology means
[2:58] Speaker 1: the darkest idea is other parts of the world where
[3:01] Speaker 1: they can come here live streamed or in an instant
[3:05] Speaker 1: The security services need to be on top of it
[3:08] Speaker 1: about not what is just being potential, what is being planned,
[3:13] Speaker 1: but also what may be just around the corner.
[3:17] Speaker 2: Finally, our security environment has degraded. Great power competition is
[3:23] Speaker 2: driving an insatiable appetite for strategic advantage. As a result,
[3:28] Speaker 2: espionage and foreign interference are at extreme levels, while preparation
[3:32] Speaker 2: for sabotage is growing in scale and sophistication. At the
[3:37] Speaker 2: same time, politically motivated violence, which incorporates terrorism, remains an
[3:42] Speaker 2: acute concern.
[3:44] Speaker 1: Now, what used to be radicalized religious sects that used
[3:52] Speaker 1: to have things like places where they met or literature,
[3:56] Speaker 1: physical books and bookshops that were there front will now.
[4:01] Speaker 1: Social media is the weapon by which hate is being
[4:06] Speaker 1: delivered to the evil souls who are radicalized and seek
[4:10] Speaker 1: to do innocent people harm.
[4:14] Speaker 2: Social media is amplifying and accelerating grievance narratives, eroding trust
[4:18] Speaker 2: in institutions, promoting discord and inflammatory retric exacerbating polarization, and
[4:24] Speaker 2: creating a permissive environment for violence, whether online or in
[4:30] Speaker 2: the real world. When intolerance is tolerated, when violent language
[4:34] Speaker 2: and violent acts are left unchecked, they become normalized, reinforcing
[4:39] Speaker 2: the impression they're acceptable and compounding the likelihood of further violence.
[4:45] Speaker 1: But the one clear, stark and truly frightening thing about
[4:50] Speaker 1: the ASO director's speech tonight is the threat of Iran.
[4:55] Speaker 1: Iran is a state sponsor of terror. Iran is able
[5:01] Speaker 1: to find proxies, who find proxies, who find proxies to
[5:05] Speaker 1: carry out the evil intentions of this regime. We know
[5:11] Speaker 1: that people with connections back to the worst of forces
[5:14] Speaker 1: in Iran have been held responsible and are believed to
[5:20] Speaker 1: be accountable for things like fire bombings and many of
[5:24] Speaker 1: the anti Semitic attacks that sadly too many people got
[5:28] Speaker 1: used to over the past couple of years. But the
[5:31] Speaker 1: Asia Director made it very clear that there is a
[5:34] Speaker 1: chance that someone will be killed on Australian soil at
[5:40] Speaker 1: the behest of powers in Iran, and there would be
[5:44] Speaker 1: a direct link back to the heart of Tehran.
[5:50] Speaker 2: Thankfully, no one died as a results of these US
[5:53] Speaker 2: and attacks, but I do worry that one day an
[5:55] Speaker 2: Australian will be killed at the hands of a foreign
[5:58] Speaker 2: government here in Australia. And my concern is only heightened
[6:03] Speaker 2: by the possible possibility that the Iran backed group conducting
[6:06] Speaker 2: attacks in Europe could expand its operations, including to Australia.
[6:13] Speaker 1: It does not become more sobering than that now we
[6:17] Speaker 1: have to trust that every piece of technology, every bit
[6:21] Speaker 1: of nous, every bit of intelligence, every bit of insight
[6:25] Speaker 1: helps to prevent those attacks. And while we live in
[6:29] Speaker 1: a largely peaceful nation that is at the other end
[6:33] Speaker 1: of the world, the reality of a quarter of the
[6:35] Speaker 1: way through the twenty first century, the bedrooms and backyards
[6:42] Speaker 1: of Australia are interconnected to the furthest flung parts of
[6:47] Speaker 1: the world with the darkest of intentions.
[6:49] Speaker 3: For us.
[6:50] Speaker 1: I wish nothing but strength to the arm of every
[6:54] Speaker 1: man and woman in our law enforcement agencies. It is
[6:58] Speaker 1: also our responsibility as citizens to always report what we
[7:03] Speaker 1: see to be behavior that is heading in the wrong direction. Again,
[7:08] Speaker 1: this is one of those speeches that I think we
[7:10] Speaker 1: won't just talk about for days, but marks a true
[7:14] Speaker 1: moment of Australia changing and that it has changed forever
[7:20] Speaker 1: and forever for the worse. Now, as you know, Pauline
[7:25] Speaker 1: Hanson at the National Press Club a week ago today
[7:29] Speaker 1: made the statement about wanting to focus on monoculturalism rather
[7:34] Speaker 1: than multiculturalism. We've debated it for a week. You know
[7:37] Speaker 1: everything that was said well in the Senate today Pauline
[7:41] Speaker 1: Hanson used an opportunity to be able to speak freely,
[7:44] Speaker 1: to reinforce her points and to push back against those
[7:48] Speaker 1: that have tried to weaponize the concerns that she has
[7:51] Speaker 1: had about the direction in which parts of our country
[7:55] Speaker 1: are going.
[7:58] Speaker 4: In the past week. The far left have I naturally
[8:00] Speaker 4: taken my comments into the realm of utter fantasy. I
[8:04] Speaker 4: was going to ban foreign food and the socceros wouldn't
[8:08] Speaker 4: have beaten Turkey under my policy. White rubbish, predictable and pathetic.
[8:16] Speaker 1: Now, as you know, there have been those that have
[8:18] Speaker 1: sought to pretend that somehow the soccer rus is the
[8:20] Speaker 1: latest lightning rod about what Australia we live in versus
[8:23] Speaker 1: the one that we think we live in, versus the
[8:25] Speaker 1: one that we want to live in. She again attacks
[8:29] Speaker 1: that straight.
[8:30] Speaker 4: On people from different backgrounds and cultures and nations, all
[8:35] Speaker 4: wearing green and gold and representing one nation under one
[8:40] Speaker 4: flag and succeeding under the same set of rules.
[8:45] Speaker 1: But simply the concept of Team Australia literally the Australian
[8:49] Speaker 1: team is what she sees as the ultimate rallying cry
[8:52] Speaker 1: for the idea of us being focused on that umbrella
[8:56] Speaker 1: that covers all of us that I talked about in
[9:00] Speaker 1: detail last night. Finally, she said what I think many
[9:06] Speaker 1: common sense people in Australia would agree to be true,
[9:08] Speaker 1: and I hope is still the majority view in this country.
[9:12] Speaker 4: If we're going to accept you, you must accept us too.
[9:16] Speaker 4: That's not too much to ask. Is the bare minimum
[9:18] Speaker 4: we should be demanding. It's where we should be drawing
[9:21] Speaker 4: the line on things incompatible with our culture, like Sharia law,
[9:25] Speaker 4: child marriages, roaming, armed gangs, female circumcision, sex, selective abortion,
[9:32] Speaker 4: and the burker.
[9:35] Speaker 1: Now, as you know, I'm quite fond of the term
[9:36] Speaker 1: each way albow. Why because well, he likes to have
[9:39] Speaker 1: it both ways. He likes to pretend that we will
[9:42] Speaker 1: be transparent when in opposition quite the opposite. In government,
[9:45] Speaker 1: of course, we definitely won't do anything when it comes
[9:47] Speaker 1: to negative gearing before the budget and will know what
[9:50] Speaker 1: has happened after. But one of these central justifications for
[9:55] Speaker 1: the disruption that has been caused by a budget which
[9:59] Speaker 1: has been rejected by the Australian people according to multiple
[10:02] Speaker 1: opinion polls over multiple weeks, and as I showed you
[10:04] Speaker 1: this week, even the same opinion polls when they go
[10:06] Speaker 1: back a month after the budget, support for the changes
[10:10] Speaker 1: in the budget has gone down. Disapproval of those has
[10:13] Speaker 1: also gone up. Now, supposedly all of this is around
[10:17] Speaker 1: the central and organizing principle of housing. There is not
[10:21] Speaker 1: a person amongst us who does not feel that. Of course,
[10:24] Speaker 1: it is very difficult for young people to get onto
[10:27] Speaker 1: the property ladder, or for people to be able to
[10:30] Speaker 1: move up the property ladder, to move out of that
[10:33] Speaker 1: first property and eventually moved to the forever property. And
[10:37] Speaker 1: the supposed justification of small business tax changes, self managed
[10:42] Speaker 1: superfund changes, and a whole lot more has been about
[10:46] Speaker 1: making more homes more affordable. That means prices going down
[10:54] Speaker 1: social and affordable homes.
[10:56] Speaker 5: The answer ultimately to affordability in our country is a
[10:59] Speaker 5: going to build.
[10:59] Speaker 6: More house housing supply affordability.
[11:02] Speaker 5: Social and affordable housing.
[11:03] Speaker 7: You're affordable housing.
[11:05] Speaker 1: And this idea is not about social housing housing commissioners.
[11:11] Speaker 1: It used to be called principally. It is about the
[11:15] Speaker 1: idea that people want to be able to make sure that,
[11:17] Speaker 1: as I say, their kids, their grandkids will be able
[11:20] Speaker 1: to follow in their own path and to be able
[11:22] Speaker 1: to buy a piece of Australia. Now, it's not just
[11:25] Speaker 1: because you want to have a particular financial asset, but
[11:28] Speaker 1: because this I'll explain in a moment, you need to
[11:30] Speaker 1: pay for the back nine of your life when eventually
[11:34] Speaker 1: you need more help to be able to stay on
[11:36] Speaker 1: your home or to be able to move to somewhere
[11:40] Speaker 1: that we'll be able to take care of you in
[11:41] Speaker 1: aged care. But again, for all of this to happen,
[11:47] Speaker 1: and the budget where they congratulated themselves, for all of
[11:51] Speaker 1: that to be a mark of a success, is that
[11:53] Speaker 1: more younger people would be able to buy a home.
[11:57] Speaker 1: Now again, for that to happen, as I've said, this
[12:00] Speaker 1: does not address the fundamental issue, which is that you
[12:02] Speaker 1: need to save a certain amount of money to be
[12:04] Speaker 1: able to even get to five percent deposit, let alone
[12:07] Speaker 1: the ten percent which is required, let alone the stamp
[12:10] Speaker 1: duty that exists when you are beyond that first home,
[12:15] Speaker 1: moving into the next home or the forever home. Well,
[12:19] Speaker 1: the truth is that the value of Australian homes is
[12:22] Speaker 1: going down the property market. Property values, particularly in Sydney
[12:28] Speaker 1: and Melbourne, they have gone down and they have gone
[12:30] Speaker 1: down fast. So the Prime Minister would say, hey, tick
[12:33] Speaker 1: for me, Look what I did. I made housing cheaper.
[12:38] Speaker 1: But the reason why the politics of this is not
[12:41] Speaker 1: going to work for the Prime Minister is because two
[12:43] Speaker 1: thirds of the Australian housing market need the value of
[12:49] Speaker 1: the home to remain stable or go up. The Bureau
[12:53] Speaker 1: of Statistics remember it shows that a third of people
[12:56] Speaker 1: they already own their home, a third of people are
[12:59] Speaker 1: trying to pay off their home, and a third of people
[13:01] Speaker 1: are renting a home. Now presumably that home also is
[13:04] Speaker 1: something that may well be having a mortgage or obviously
[13:07] Speaker 1: has already been paid out already. And the reality is
[13:13] Speaker 1: that in terms of the value of Australian housing stock.
[13:16] Speaker 1: It's always a good bet. Wherever you get in, eventually
[13:19] Speaker 1: it goes up, which is why you eventually will have
[13:24] Speaker 1: money left over or way more money than you put in.
[13:28] Speaker 1: Because of course, interest rates, which also are increasing, make
[13:32] Speaker 1: the capacity to pay off that thing that you bought
[13:34] Speaker 1: for a million dollars to eventually be worth one point two,
[13:37] Speaker 1: one point three, one point five and even more. And
[13:42] Speaker 1: the reason you need your house value to go up,
[13:45] Speaker 1: the reason you need, if you are in the market,
[13:50] Speaker 1: your property to be sold for more than you bought
[13:52] Speaker 1: it is because even if you do downsize from the
[13:55] Speaker 1: forever home to the smaller home, the unit block that
[13:58] Speaker 1: you may be thinking about, well, the two bedroom unit
[14:02] Speaker 1: does not cost what it did five years, ten years,
[14:04] Speaker 1: twenty years ago. You need to be able to either
[14:07] Speaker 1: pay for it in cash or to be able to
[14:09] Speaker 1: get to a position where whatever mortgage is left well,
[14:11] Speaker 1: essentially it's much smaller and you'll be able to land
[14:14] Speaker 1: the plane. It's also so when you eventually sell your house,
[14:19] Speaker 1: as I say, you have enough money left over for
[14:21] Speaker 1: aged care. And the reality of age care is that
[14:24] Speaker 1: age care is more expensive than it has ever been
[14:26] Speaker 1: for a whole collection of reasons. But again, all the
[14:30] Speaker 1: reports right now is that the value of a home
[14:34] Speaker 1: that you are either paying off or that you have
[14:36] Speaker 1: owned has gone down. Now, that supposedly is a good story,
[14:41] Speaker 1: right because if what was originally worth one million is
[14:44] Speaker 1: now worth nine hundred thousand, well then the person who
[14:47] Speaker 1: hasn't bought one doesn't need a million, they need nine
[14:49] Speaker 1: hundred thousand.
[14:50] Speaker 3: Right.
[14:51] Speaker 1: So therefore that is the government doing the right thing
[14:55] Speaker 1: according to their own perverse, weird logic. But when asked
[14:58] Speaker 1: about it today, clueless clear O'Neil, Housing Minister, Well, she
[15:01] Speaker 1: doesn't want to take ownership of what is supposedly the
[15:05] Speaker 1: entire reason why they have completely rejigged the federal budget.
[15:11] Speaker 5: Look, I think the housing market's cyclical in Australia, a
[15:14] Speaker 5: very uncontroversial comment. We see periods of very significant house
[15:18] Speaker 5: price growth and then we see the market make it
[15:20] Speaker 5: correction and that's what we're seeing at the moment.
[15:22] Speaker 6: So we're in a market correction now.
[15:24] Speaker 5: That's correct. I don't think that's controversial at all. We've
[15:26] Speaker 5: just been through what has been extremely high house price
[15:30] Speaker 5: growth in the period from COVID basically before COVID to today.
[15:35] Speaker 1: So if every decision you made in the federal budget
[15:38] Speaker 1: was to push down the amount of money that somebody
[15:40] Speaker 1: would need to get into the property market. Then yay, right, oh,
[15:44] Speaker 1: but no two thirds of the property market, or you
[15:47] Speaker 1: would argue everyone who owns anything in the property market,
[15:50] Speaker 1: including something that's being rented out, you need it to
[15:52] Speaker 1: continue to rise in value, not to remain static, not
[15:56] Speaker 1: to go down. She was corrected today by the Treasurer.
[16:00] Speaker 1: We're not in a housing correction because technically that would
[16:02] Speaker 1: be a ten percent reduction. So world one elbow, world unclear.
[16:08] Speaker 1: Inflation and cost of living. We've got more numbers today
[16:10] Speaker 1: about inflation that yes, the headline number is ever so
[16:13] Speaker 1: slightly down why because of the reduction in taxation that's
[16:17] Speaker 1: being taken, particularly from things like petrol right now. But
[16:22] Speaker 1: the core inflation remains too high. But of course there's
[16:28] Speaker 1: a reason for that, isn't there, doctor Charmers.
[16:31] Speaker 8: The costs and consequences of the war in the Middle
[16:33] Speaker 8: East to be felt.
[16:34] Speaker 2: For some time.
[16:35] Speaker 8: That those costs were felt initially when it came to
[16:38] Speaker 8: petrol prices. That's why we stepped in and stepped up
[16:41] Speaker 8: with the fuel excise cut. But they are broadening in
[16:45] Speaker 8: our economy and the big standout in that regard is
[16:47] Speaker 8: dwelling construction costs.
[16:50] Speaker 1: Okay, so could somebody please explain if the war in
[16:52] Speaker 1: Iran is the reason for everything, how does that affect
[16:56] Speaker 1: the cost of building a house? How does that affect
[17:00] Speaker 1: bothing and footwear? How does that affect education? Which, last
[17:03] Speaker 1: time I check, doesn't require the importation of anything. Litt
[17:05] Speaker 1: alone alcohol and tobacco, littlelone health care in the country,
[17:09] Speaker 1: littlelone soft drinks, let alone insurance. Now again, trying to
[17:15] Speaker 1: work out whether interest rates are going to go up,
[17:17] Speaker 1: stay the same, or go down again. All of this
[17:19] Speaker 1: data because of the numbers in the middle of it,
[17:22] Speaker 1: the core inflation. The suggestion is the Reserve Bank. Most
[17:24] Speaker 1: likely next time they meet it goes up. If not,
[17:26] Speaker 1: then it definitely goes up one month after that. Again
[17:29] Speaker 1: World Onne, Prime Minister, World n Treasurer Weld done greatest
[17:32] Speaker 1: government of all time? May you remember earlier in the
[17:36] Speaker 1: week the Prime Minister was not happy at a question
[17:38] Speaker 1: that was asked by independent MP Die Leave the seat
[17:42] Speaker 1: of Fowler in Sydney's southwest. Remember this was a place
[17:45] Speaker 1: where the Unions could pick the candidate. The Labor Party
[17:47] Speaker 1: would be able to hold onto this seat and who
[17:49] Speaker 1: cares who actually lives there? Were one of their own,
[17:52] Speaker 1: a Vietnamese refugee, of course, fought back and became that MP,
[17:56] Speaker 1: and she does not miss when she asks questions in Parliament.
[18:00] Speaker 9: Prime Minister, the capital gains tax and negative gearing changes
[18:03] Speaker 9: announced in the May Budget were significant and market sensitive measures,
[18:08] Speaker 9: so significant your government has will already walk past of
[18:11] Speaker 9: them back in recent days. Can the Prime Minister give
[18:14] Speaker 9: the House a strong assurance that no government MP or
[18:17] Speaker 9: their close relations use prior knowledge of those changes for
[18:21] Speaker 9: private financial benefits before they're are made public.
[18:24] Speaker 3: I member for foul.
[18:26] Speaker 7: If she's got a suggestion or an allegation about anyone
[18:29] Speaker 7: in the chambers, she should actually say it what it is,
[18:33] Speaker 7: and preferably say it outside order. This isn't a council.
[18:38] Speaker 7: This is a serious parliament. We were very careful as
[18:42] Speaker 7: always occurs, as always occurs, and I'm sure has always
[18:47] Speaker 7: occurred for as long as I've been here across the board,
[18:51] Speaker 7: whoever has been the Treasurer and been gone through our
[18:56] Speaker 7: erc processes. That is something that we have in this
[19:00] Speaker 7: that we should cherish and we should honor. Not Denner
[19:04] Speaker 7: great to try to score a cheap point.
[19:09] Speaker 1: I spoke with Die from Canberra a little earlier tonight.
[19:11] Speaker 1: I began by asking her why did she ask that
[19:14] Speaker 1: question of the Prime Minister?
[19:16] Speaker 9: From my perspective, as you know, you know, the changes
[19:20] Speaker 9: to the CGT and negative gearing has huge ramifications on
[19:25] Speaker 9: the market. Is marketing sensitive information? So I think my question,
[19:29] Speaker 9: I think people are really turning this around. It's actually
[19:32] Speaker 9: about the system. It's about getting an assurance, the assurance
[19:35] Speaker 9: from the Prime Minister that there were guardrails in place
[19:40] Speaker 9: so that these major decisions has huge impact in the markets.
[19:45] Speaker 9: And we want to know, you know, who knows what,
[19:48] Speaker 9: when it was known, and whether or not anyone within
[19:52] Speaker 9: the government or connected to them are aware of such
[19:56] Speaker 9: information that I you know, information that are having, like
[19:59] Speaker 9: I said, market sensitive information and did that act on
[20:04] Speaker 9: those knowledge are prior to it becoming public.
[20:07] Speaker 10: As we know, people in you.
[20:09] Speaker 9: Know out there as the Australian public, Australian workers, any
[20:14] Speaker 9: changes to the taxism, ordinary working Australians find out about
[20:20] Speaker 9: it in the media or down the track and they
[20:22] Speaker 9: are scrambling to understand how that will impact them. Be
[20:26] Speaker 9: you you know, somebody a young person saving for a
[20:29] Speaker 9: depositing the home or trying to sell your shares. None
[20:32] Speaker 9: of that information is actually uh you know, available until
[20:36] Speaker 9: it's announced, and of course it's still being dissect So
[20:39] Speaker 9: from my perspective, that question was around assurance guard rails
[20:44] Speaker 9: and who knew what and when was known and was
[20:48] Speaker 9: their guardrails in place.
[20:50] Speaker 10: As we know, the Labor Party has caucus. There's a caucus.
[20:54] Speaker 9: System, so therefore any major decisions are also discussed at caucus.
[20:59] Speaker 9: So I just wanted to really have that assurance and
[21:03] Speaker 9: I have no doubt the public one that assurance as
[21:06] Speaker 9: well from our Prime minister.
[21:07] Speaker 1: And the Prime Minister was as directors he could possibly
[21:12] Speaker 1: be that he believed there was no concern in and
[21:16] Speaker 1: around the issue, and then he got very personal in
[21:19] Speaker 1: the answer. What did you think of the swipe that
[21:23] Speaker 1: he took at you as essentially somebody who's not up
[21:26] Speaker 1: to the mark because you're bringing low grade council issues
[21:31] Speaker 1: or council style politics up in the federal Parliament.
[21:36] Speaker 9: Yeah, look, you know what, I think that was really
[21:41] Speaker 9: the listling Counsel, which is the third level of government,
[21:45] Speaker 9: and we all know that that third level of government
[21:48] Speaker 9: has the most connection to the communities and I think.
[21:51] Speaker 9: And the funny thing was that on that day there
[21:55] Speaker 9: were counselors and mayors down in Canberra for the Local
[22:00] Speaker 9: government week. So for him to dismiss council as if,
[22:05] Speaker 9: I mean, can I tell you at.
[22:06] Speaker 10: Council level, the council have.
[22:10] Speaker 9: More you know, there are more compliance and more regulations
[22:15] Speaker 9: and more declaration very upfront. If you ask any council
[22:20] Speaker 9: they will tell you straight away where their guard roles
[22:22] Speaker 9: in place. Absolutely, there's none of this that's dancing around
[22:26] Speaker 9: the where not there are guard raised in place for
[22:28] Speaker 9: major policy changes like that.
[22:30] Speaker 10: So I think, I think.
[22:32] Speaker 9: But then of course the Prime minists talk about how
[22:34] Speaker 9: he's very well connected or have done a lot of
[22:36] Speaker 9: things for local government, and yet in the same breath
[22:38] Speaker 9: he kind of said, this is not a council meeting.
[22:41] Speaker 10: Well, I can tell you in a council.
[22:43] Speaker 9: Meeting, we're very organized, at least in my council, and
[22:48] Speaker 9: that actually we get answers if there are questions race,
[22:52] Speaker 9: so you know, looks the public will see the Prime
[22:57] Speaker 9: minis behavior and his answers to me for what it is.
[23:00] Speaker 9: I just stood up and I asked him to actually
[23:03] Speaker 9: show respect in the House because he's somebody has talked
[23:06] Speaker 9: about let's do politics differently, and I think that the
[23:10] Speaker 9: way that he responded and the way that he took
[23:14] Speaker 9: a snipe at me, You know, Paul, I have been
[23:18] Speaker 9: taught that in politics you play the ball, not the
[23:21] Speaker 9: man or the woman in my case, and I think
[23:25] Speaker 9: that we need to focus on that in politics, to
[23:28] Speaker 9: look at the bigger issue, to answer the questions and
[23:31] Speaker 9: not to play to make it personal.
[23:34] Speaker 1: Now we know that the majority of Australians are not
[23:37] Speaker 1: happy with the budget, not happy with the Prime Minister.
[23:40] Speaker 1: At the moment, six out of ten in our poll
[23:42] Speaker 1: here put together by YouGov say they dissatisfied with the
[23:46] Speaker 1: Prime Minister's performance. Let's take it down to Fairfield. Let's
[23:49] Speaker 1: take it down to your community. What are you seeing,
[23:53] Speaker 1: hearing and reading and are there things that would otherwise
[23:57] Speaker 1: not really get involved in politics that have become enlivened
[24:01] Speaker 1: by the decisions made in this budget.
[24:07] Speaker 10: Look, I think it's not just the budget, Paul.
[24:10] Speaker 9: I think that for since last term when I got elected,
[24:14] Speaker 9: I have spoken about the cost of living and it's
[24:17] Speaker 9: more so now as obviously you know rents has we
[24:23] Speaker 9: are in foul in particularly in Southwest Sydney, we have
[24:26] Speaker 9: what we call the rental stress. About forty six percent
[24:29] Speaker 9: of my you know, residents in my electorate actually rent.
[24:34] Speaker 9: So there's implications for the changes in negative gearing and
[24:37] Speaker 9: CGT because rent will go up because it's just the
[24:41] Speaker 9: way that you know, obviously landlords is going to put
[24:44] Speaker 9: up rent. That has ramifications impact on those you know
[24:49] Speaker 9: who are renting. Not only that, the cost of groceries
[24:52] Speaker 9: have gone up, energy prices, as you know, I've been
[24:57] Speaker 9: you know, banging on about that, that is is still
[25:00] Speaker 9: a big issue in our community. And of course affordability
[25:04] Speaker 9: of buying home a medium house in cabramades about one
[25:09] Speaker 9: point two million. So the policies that the government have
[25:13] Speaker 9: released in this budget, none of that is actually going
[25:16] Speaker 9: to bring down the current the prices of homes currently.
[25:21] Speaker 9: So from my perspective, people are still struggling with the
[25:25] Speaker 9: cost of living. A school you know, a group of
[25:27] Speaker 9: school kids came to see me this week and they said, oh,
[25:30] Speaker 9: you know, this is a cost of liv and this
[25:32] Speaker 9: is year six telling me that there's cost of living
[25:35] Speaker 9: in the community. So cost of living is still very
[25:37] Speaker 9: much front and center of people's mind.
[25:40] Speaker 1: Well, die more strength, your keep banging away. You're the
[25:43] Speaker 1: one asking the questions. You're the one braven on off
[25:45] Speaker 1: to take it all. And as we spoke about last night,
[25:48] Speaker 1: in this conversation about you know, Australian culture or the
[25:50] Speaker 1: rest of it, I love that you're the one wearing
[25:52] Speaker 1: the national flag. It's the Prime Minister in his mates
[25:55] Speaker 1: that are trying to sort of hide it behind the
[25:57] Speaker 1: two other ones they prefer. Always great to talk to you,
[26:00] Speaker 1: Thank you, Paul. She's great and as you know, we
[26:03] Speaker 1: played you there the comments of the Prime Minister rejecting
[26:06] Speaker 1: that there was anything other than the correct process that
[26:09] Speaker 1: had been followed. All right, quick break back with more
[26:11] Speaker 1: breaking news is seemingly confirmed by sources close to Channel
[26:16] Speaker 1: nine tonight that Karl Stefanovic has been fired, or, as
[26:19] Speaker 1: the politely saying, currently discussing how he will be leaving
[26:23] Speaker 1: the network. Thank you so much for watching with me
[26:31] Speaker 1: right now. He's always just here to help, isn't he.
[26:32] Speaker 1: Stephen Conroy always here to help him, help everyone is
[26:36] Speaker 1: Lucy Zelix? Love you to see you both all right now.
[26:39] Speaker 1: There were reports a bit earlier tonight. I wanted to
[26:41] Speaker 1: wait until I saw what would turn up in the
[26:44] Speaker 1: Sidney Morning Here all the Age Brisbane Times, because of
[26:46] Speaker 1: course they are owned by the same pair and company
[26:48] Speaker 1: as Channel nine. This is the headline which has gone
[26:51] Speaker 1: up in just the past few minutes, which is that
[26:54] Speaker 1: the Today' Show host Carl Stefanovick to leave nine. This
[26:57] Speaker 1: is after, as everyone knows, an interview that he hosted
[27:00] Speaker 1: yesterday with the figure Tommy Robinson in the United Kingdom.
[27:04] Speaker 1: I'm going to read from the first paragraph of the
[27:08] Speaker 1: story why because it obviously would have to be coming
[27:13] Speaker 1: with some sort of impromata from HighRes above. But here
[27:15] Speaker 1: we go again. It is ordest reports until we hear
[27:17] Speaker 1: anything else. But nine is negotiating terms for long time
[27:21] Speaker 1: Today's host Carl Stephanovic to leave the network following is
[27:23] Speaker 1: in Injury podcast interview with far right British activist Tommy Robinson,
[27:27] Speaker 1: potentially diffusing a major advertiser. Boycott nine made the decision
[27:31] Speaker 1: on Wednesday evening, following a series of crisis meetings in
[27:33] Speaker 1: the North sitting headquarters. Fifty one year old was in
[27:35] Speaker 1: London when told that the network wanted to part ways
[27:39] Speaker 1: following weeks of worsening tensions. It's unclear whether the network's
[27:43] Speaker 1: highest paid presenter will receive any form of exit payment. Now,
[27:47] Speaker 1: Drew Pavlich, who has been recently employed by Carl to
[27:51] Speaker 1: be his Chaos correspondent, has started a petition, one of
[27:56] Speaker 1: many that will be there to try to either offer
[27:59] Speaker 1: public support or other forms of support for Carl. But
[28:04] Speaker 1: I've got to say this right up the start here,
[28:07] Speaker 1: which is I've been doing this for a long time,
[28:10] Speaker 1: and I've been having a very strong opinion publicly for
[28:13] Speaker 1: a long time. The reality of the platforms on which
[28:19] Speaker 1: you are able to have these discussions is, unless you
[28:23] Speaker 1: own the platform, then you are obviously a the mercy
[28:26] Speaker 1: of your employers, but b unless you are privately funded,
[28:30] Speaker 1: will then their relationship with advertisers becomes part of the
[28:34] Speaker 1: conversation about ongoing employment. Now, obviously Carl has been incredibly
[28:39] Speaker 1: successful with this podcast, but I think he made quite
[28:41] Speaker 1: a few strategic errors about just how far he has
[28:46] Speaker 1: chased the algorithm. I'll leave it at that, But Lucy,
[28:50] Speaker 1: what do you think about what is happening as we speak?
[28:52] Speaker 11: I'd like to respectfully disagree, and we're allowed to do
[28:55] Speaker 11: that because if you subscribe to a democracy, which I do,
[28:58] Speaker 11: and I'm a free speech. Absolutist people will argue that
[29:00] Speaker 11: nothing is absolute, but I do find it really disappointing
[29:04] Speaker 11: that something like this has happened. I listened to the
[29:06] Speaker 11: podcast from start to finish where Tommy Robinson, whether you
[29:09] Speaker 11: like him or loathe him, talks about him being a
[29:12] Speaker 11: changed man versus who he was when he was in
[29:14] Speaker 11: his twenties, and actually outlines why he was jailed and
[29:19] Speaker 11: the coordinated efforts that in his mind and by all
[29:23] Speaker 11: accounts by those of us watching, that went into trying
[29:27] Speaker 11: to jail him for speaking out about certain issues. The
[29:30] Speaker 11: fact that now Carl is being silenced after speaking to
[29:34] Speaker 11: someone who talks about the fact that it's very wrong
[29:36] Speaker 11: to be silenced for one's views, whether you agree with
[29:39] Speaker 11: them or not, is a little bit ironic for me.
[29:42] Speaker 6: So I feel for Carl.
[29:43] Speaker 11: I think that it's incredibly unfair to be thrust into
[29:46] Speaker 11: a situation where, if you agree that we should live
[29:49] Speaker 11: in a society that supports free speech, that now he's
[29:52] Speaker 11: being shelved because of this, and I think that everyone
[29:55] Speaker 11: is just running scared.
[29:56] Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, look, I would have no interest in
[29:59] Speaker 1: talking to Tommy Robins because I think that even when he
[30:01] Speaker 1: tells these stories of change that there's too many pejoratives
[30:05] Speaker 1: that he puts in that make him not too hot
[30:10] Speaker 1: to handle. And there's somebody I couldn't handle the controversy with.
[30:13] Speaker 1: For me, it's not a person that I would want
[30:15] Speaker 1: to interview. But the reality is when you have unless
[30:18] Speaker 1: you are self funded, there are going to be consequences.
[30:21] Speaker 1: Those are playing out as we speak, Steven, So.
[30:22] Speaker 6: But that's totally fine.
[30:23] Speaker 11: But just before you get to Stephen, though, there are
[30:26] Speaker 11: people who are literally going onto podcasts who are supporting
[30:29] Speaker 11: the gender mutilation of children, all in the name of
[30:32] Speaker 11: gender ideology.
[30:33] Speaker 6: I find that abhorrent.
[30:35] Speaker 11: I find it despicable, particularly in light of the cast
[30:37] Speaker 11: review and all the information that we have when it
[30:39] Speaker 11: comes to gender ideology. They're not being canceled, they're not
[30:42] Speaker 11: being defunded, They're being supported. So I think, if you're
[30:45] Speaker 11: going to start to wield the acts in one area,
[30:48] Speaker 11: why aren't we wielding it elsewhere? And further to that,
[30:51] Speaker 11: how long's a piece of string?
[30:52] Speaker 1: Well, this is many chats to be had in the
[30:54] Speaker 1: next little while. Steven. Your thoughts about this about whether
[30:58] Speaker 1: this is cancel culture or consequence culture is no doubt
[31:00] Speaker 1: it will be referred to by some corners of the
[31:03] Speaker 1: Internet tonight.
[31:04] Speaker 12: Look, look, i'd have to say I'm very much on
[31:08] Speaker 12: your side of this argument. I disagree strongly with Lucy.
[31:12] Speaker 12: I think he's just tried to equate two different things.
[31:14] Speaker 3: I thought you've.
[31:14] Speaker 12: Reasonably explained the consequences of being on a platform that
[31:17] Speaker 12: someone else owns, whereas the podcasts that Lizy's talking about
[31:20] Speaker 12: are all funded run by those individuals. So it's a
[31:25] Speaker 12: false equivalence in terms of the argument is just made.
[31:29] Speaker 12: I'm never going to be an absolute sist on free speech.
[31:31] Speaker 12: I think that's wrong. But I mean, Lucy, if you
[31:33] Speaker 12: think it would be a good idea for you to
[31:34] Speaker 12: interview somebody, he's been convicted of stalking and intimidating journalists
[31:40] Speaker 12: by late night visits to their homes, which is what
[31:43] Speaker 12: he has done.
[31:45] Speaker 11: As well as we let rugby league player we let
[31:47] Speaker 11: rugby league players who are high on the RUSS smash
[31:50] Speaker 11: into vehicles and injure four year olds back out onto
[31:54] Speaker 11: the footy field. So let's not be hypocrites about all
[31:56] Speaker 11: of this.
[31:57] Speaker 6: Please spare me like.
[31:58] Speaker 3: It's too much. No, no, I'm sorry again. False equivalents.
[32:03] Speaker 13: No it's not.
[32:04] Speaker 6: It's moral equivalent, and.
[32:08] Speaker 3: No it's not. It's a company's back on.
[32:09] Speaker 6: A foot feel moral.
[32:13] Speaker 12: I'm not aware of the case of discussing to keep
[32:17] Speaker 12: distracting from you, keep distracting from the actual discussion.
[32:20] Speaker 3: Lucy, it's about a blog.
[32:22] Speaker 12: I'm rated of fraud, okay, And there is no equivalence.
[32:27] Speaker 3: This bloke has stalked and.
[32:29] Speaker 12: Been I don't want to talk about Tommy visiting journalists.
[32:33] Speaker 12: So he's clearly into free speech, all right, stalking and
[32:36] Speaker 12: intimidating journalists, convicted of stalk and.
[32:38] Speaker 11: The journalists and the journalists that's speaking to his partner
[32:42] Speaker 11: who form a partner who he tried to abuse, right
[32:45] Speaker 11: and say that they were being you know, harassed. That
[32:50] Speaker 11: come on, I just I find this all pretty repulsive,
[32:53] Speaker 11: will be honest.
[32:54] Speaker 1: Who knew the discussing Pauline Hanson and the idea of
[32:56] Speaker 1: monochusture versus multiculture is the safer ground to go too.
[33:00] Speaker 1: But let's try this where of course she has doubled down.
[33:03] Speaker 1: I showed you her speech earlier in the day. Now again, Stephen,
[33:06] Speaker 1: as we discussed this when we were all talking about
[33:08] Speaker 1: it last week, right, Look, I think the word monoculture
[33:11] Speaker 1: is clumsy. I spent twenty minutes on the show last
[33:14] Speaker 1: night talking about what I think is you know, in
[33:17] Speaker 1: nineteen eighty eight, the spirit of the country, the way
[33:19] Speaker 1: that again a culture and our national conversation right down
[33:24] Speaker 1: to the Labor Party used to have buttons saying put
[33:27] Speaker 1: Australia first with the Australian flag at the bottom of it.
[33:29] Speaker 1: That that is what is the culture that I believe
[33:32] Speaker 1: to be the beginnings of what should be the shared culture. Again, however,
[33:37] Speaker 1: this word monoculture versus multiculturalism, has Pauline Hansen got herself
[33:43] Speaker 1: into a position where that word is going to be
[33:45] Speaker 1: used as a baseball bat. And is there any caution
[33:48] Speaker 1: that you would offer to those on the left who
[33:50] Speaker 1: will try to use that as the baseball bat.
[33:55] Speaker 12: Well, look, I mean, firstly, she's realized that she right
[34:00] Speaker 12: royally stuffed up last week.
[34:01] Speaker 3: She's trying to row back.
[34:02] Speaker 12: She should join the Norwegian football team and they're rowing
[34:05] Speaker 12: after they've won their match because she is running back
[34:07] Speaker 12: as fast as she can.
[34:09] Speaker 3: Okay, let me be clear, I don't share her values.
[34:13] Speaker 12: I don't share her values and will be excluded on
[34:16] Speaker 12: let's start with the most fundamental the constitution. I reject
[34:19] Speaker 12: the constitutional monarchy. Okay, where we're standing on that one.
[34:23] Speaker 12: I reject that value utterly, so, Pauline, which which isn't
[34:28] Speaker 12: the democratic value that we can have.
[34:32] Speaker 1: But it isn't. The point of the culture is that
[34:35] Speaker 1: we can have a debate about things.
[34:37] Speaker 3: Vailures.
[34:37] Speaker 12: I've got to, I've got to, I've got to subscribe
[34:40] Speaker 12: to those values. I utterly reject them. I could go
[34:42] Speaker 12: on and on and on, giving you examples of the
[34:45] Speaker 12: sheer stupidity of the way she's now trying to row back.
[34:50] Speaker 1: So do you think it's a point of no return
[34:52] Speaker 1: but own it? Yeah, But do you think it's a
[34:54] Speaker 1: point of no return? Because my sense is not.
[34:57] Speaker 12: Just like absolutely not no, no, I'm absolutely agree with you.
[35:01] Speaker 12: But I'm strongly rejecting her arguments that we've got to
[35:05] Speaker 12: be this monoculture because I start, you know, I don't
[35:07] Speaker 12: want to be running around with the Protestants and Masons
[35:10] Speaker 12: running the country again.
[35:11] Speaker 3: That was a good monoculture, just so.
[35:15] Speaker 6: And sensationalists.
[35:17] Speaker 11: This is Can I just tell you, I'm so exasperated
[35:20] Speaker 11: by this conversation.
[35:21] Speaker 6: James struggling from the soccer Okay, it's.
[35:24] Speaker 11: My Yeah, it's it's my turn now, just like your
[35:26] Speaker 11: mate Albow and Zalie Stegel. Do any of them know
[35:29] Speaker 11: that we've qualified for six of successive World Cups? Do
[35:32] Speaker 11: any of them know that in spite of that, we
[35:34] Speaker 11: still don't have a home?
[35:36] Speaker 6: Yeah you do. But Dazally Stegel, who's proudly now.
[35:38] Speaker 11: Supporting the soccer US and using this as a weapon
[35:41] Speaker 11: and a sword to try and wield against her political rivals,
[35:45] Speaker 11: does she know? Does she know that the former CEO
[35:47] Speaker 11: left the organization in an eight and a half million
[35:50] Speaker 11: dollar hole? Does she know that we don't have a
[35:52] Speaker 11: home for our soccer ruse, So spare me all of
[35:54] Speaker 11: this bandwagoning from our Prime minister and all these MPs
[35:57] Speaker 11: now who are using this moment an opportunity to try
[36:01] Speaker 11: and drive in the dagger to.
[36:02] Speaker 6: Their political opponent.
[36:04] Speaker 11: There are several things about this conversation that have very
[36:06] Speaker 11: much frustrated me. When it comes to this debate around monoculture. Right,
[36:10] Speaker 11: you have the left and the right both screaming into
[36:13] Speaker 11: the wind trying to have two different conversations. The left
[36:16] Speaker 11: are looking at the superficial and romanticized layer of multiculturalism, food, dance, traditions, language,
[36:25] Speaker 11: and also their fates. While the right are trying to
[36:28] Speaker 11: rightfully have a conversation about how immigration gone wrong can
[36:33] Speaker 11: damage your country.
[36:34] Speaker 6: Just have a look at what's going on in the UK.
[36:36] Speaker 11: So you both have these people having conversations trying to
[36:40] Speaker 11: strip out the actual debate, which is we need to
[36:44] Speaker 11: talk about the fact that there are some very disturbing
[36:47] Speaker 11: and uncomfortable truths about immigration. And Pauline Hanson tried to
[36:51] Speaker 11: make that point. She said, the subjugation of women, gender mutilation,
[36:55] Speaker 11: sex selective abortions, machete violence, right, look at what happened
[37:00] Speaker 11: at the Bondai massacre. The Prime Minister tried to point
[37:02] Speaker 11: to that and say, well, I spoke to members from
[37:04] Speaker 11: the Chabad community and you know, is that okay in Australia.
[37:08] Speaker 6: No, apparently it's not.
[37:10] Speaker 11: Go and ask the alleged Islamic terrorists what they did
[37:13] Speaker 11: in December.
[37:14] Speaker 6: If it's okay to be Jewish in this country.
[37:16] Speaker 11: So spare me all of this rhetoric around the term monoculture.
[37:20] Speaker 11: What it means is to embrace this culture and this
[37:23] Speaker 11: country and to also still celebrate who you are. No
[37:27] Speaker 11: one is saying, including poly handsome that you can't do that.
[37:31] Speaker 1: Don't consider that to be the culture. I consider that
[37:34] Speaker 1: to be to do with connected to the system of government,
[37:37] Speaker 1: foundation constitution. Yeah, but also the democracy that means one person,
[37:41] Speaker 1: one vote, regardless of gender, faith, or sexuality. Insert. It
[37:46] Speaker 1: means if we want to, we can have a vote
[37:49] Speaker 1: to reindorse that system or to remove ourselves from our system.
[37:53] Speaker 1: So if that's how I interpret the conversation about if
[37:57] Speaker 1: you like or don't like the monarchy, well, the joy
[37:59] Speaker 1: of the culture here we can have an election to
[38:01] Speaker 1: keep a more to booten.
[38:06] Speaker 12: As I said, the single largest last time I checked,
[38:09] Speaker 12: it's a little bit dated now. Community that have refused
[38:12] Speaker 12: to take out Australia's citizenships.
[38:14] Speaker 3: You know what they are.
[38:15] Speaker 12: It's the Irish because they refuse to swear allegiance to
[38:18] Speaker 12: the King and Queen.
[38:18] Speaker 1: Well, talk about.
[38:24] Speaker 6: My gosh.
[38:24] Speaker 11: So we've just actually we've actually seen we've just seen
[38:30] Speaker 11: restoring the UK release a rape gang inquiry report, right,
[38:34] Speaker 11: and it's a very damaging and very disturbing thing to
[38:37] Speaker 11: have to delve into. But to sit here and pretend
[38:40] Speaker 11: that there are people in this country, Stephen, that don't
[38:43] Speaker 11: subscribe to our values that are not open to Australia
[38:47] Speaker 11: and it's way of life to deny the truth. Let's
[38:53] Speaker 11: import to shove in the jail system.
[38:56] Speaker 1: Come on, all right, all right now, we all know
[38:57] Speaker 1: I can yell louder than everyone, but I'm not going
[38:59] Speaker 1: to because I love you both, and thank you very
[39:01] Speaker 1: much for the chat. I do appreciate it. We'll see
[39:03] Speaker 1: you again next week, all right. We will start to
[39:05] Speaker 1: turn our attention towards next week. We are about a
[39:08] Speaker 1: week away from our documentary about the United States in
[39:10] Speaker 1: two hundred and fifty years. Along the way we go
[39:13] Speaker 1: via the Embassy in Canberra. More in a second this
[39:20] Speaker 1: time next week. Hopefully you have enjoyed the America to
[39:24] Speaker 1: fifty documentary that we have put the finishing touches to,
[39:27] Speaker 1: and I cannot wait to show you at eight o'clock
[39:29] Speaker 1: on July the first, of course, it is timed to
[39:32] Speaker 1: celebrate America at two hundred and fifty. Of course, that
[39:35] Speaker 1: is July the fourth. Whill there's a party that took
[39:37] Speaker 1: place at the American Embassy in Canberra tonight. It was
[39:40] Speaker 1: with the Acting Ambassador who is representing the United States here.
[39:44] Speaker 1: Erica Olsen is her name, and we had a chance
[39:47] Speaker 1: to talk to her a little bit earlier tonight, where
[39:49] Speaker 1: again I congratulated her on the celebration of the fourth
[39:53] Speaker 1: and the independence of her nation.
[39:55] Speaker 10: Thank you so much.
[39:56] Speaker 14: It is fabulous and I wish you we're here with us.
[39:59] Speaker 14: Is a great party.
[40:01] Speaker 1: Okay, First things first, the scarf unbelievable. I love it.
[40:04] Speaker 1: Tell us the story of the get up? Is there
[40:06] Speaker 1: a story behind the scarf? Because I'm loving this.
[40:11] Speaker 14: Yeah, well, you know what, It's actually both a functional
[40:14] Speaker 14: and a celebratory story. We made this for all of
[40:17] Speaker 14: our mission team one because we've got twelve hundred people
[40:21] Speaker 14: here tonight. So if anybody needs something, they know, go
[40:23] Speaker 14: to someone.
[40:24] Speaker 6: With the scarf.
[40:25] Speaker 14: But it gives us that ability to celebrate two fifty
[40:29] Speaker 14: and our mission here in Australia.
[40:31] Speaker 1: That is a very nice collector's piece. All right, enjoy
[40:35] Speaker 1: put it up and frame it on the wall. Let's
[40:37] Speaker 1: talk about not just the two fiftieth, but this incredible
[40:41] Speaker 1: relationship between our two countries. It's again not just a
[40:46] Speaker 1: celebration of the two hundred and fiftieth birthday of your country,
[40:49] Speaker 1: but it's a celebration of the ties that bind between
[40:53] Speaker 1: our two countries.
[40:54] Speaker 13: Correct, that's absolutely right.
[40:58] Speaker 14: It's the seventy fifth anniversary of the ANSAs Treaty and
[41:01] Speaker 14: really the formal beginning of our alliance. As I said
[41:05] Speaker 14: in my speech tonight, our real alliance began much earlier
[41:08] Speaker 14: than that, and pamel in the Pacific, in the battles
[41:12] Speaker 14: that we fought together. But seventy five years ago in
[41:15] Speaker 14: San Francisco, we signed the Anzas Treaty that has continued
[41:19] Speaker 14: to shape the US Australia Alliance even today.
[41:22] Speaker 1: And again it's something that is independent of party, independent
[41:26] Speaker 1: of a president, independent of moments in time. It's about
[41:29] Speaker 1: a connection between in our case, twenty eight million people
[41:32] Speaker 1: and three hundred and thirty million. The ties are very
[41:36] Speaker 1: much at that family level because we know each other.
[41:40] Speaker 1: We don't just know it again, in that historic sense.
[41:43] Speaker 1: There are friends across the borders and people who travel
[41:46] Speaker 1: between countries for work, pleasure and study.
[41:53] Speaker 14: That's absolutely right. And the thing that makes this alliance
[41:56] Speaker 14: so special, the government to government piece is really important,
[41:59] Speaker 14: but what really makes it special as the people. The
[42:01] Speaker 14: people aspect of it. And you know, I reflect Eleanor
[42:05] Speaker 14: Roosevelt came here in nineteen forty three. She actually planted
[42:08] Speaker 14: the first tree on this new compound and christened the residence.
[42:13] Speaker 14: Gave a speech at the very New War Memorial and
[42:16] Speaker 14: one of the things she said was about how this
[42:19] Speaker 14: alliance was going to increase the amount of people to
[42:22] Speaker 14: go back and forth across the Pacific and share in
[42:24] Speaker 14: each other's culture, which is absolutely the case. And just
[42:28] Speaker 14: recently I found out something really interesting, which is my
[42:31] Speaker 14: husband's great great grandfather actually came to Australia around nineteen
[42:38] Speaker 14: nineteen as an organizer of circus and entertainment. We had
[42:43] Speaker 14: no idea our family had been here that long ago,
[42:46] Speaker 14: but it just speaks to those ties, as you were saying,
[42:50] Speaker 14: and I understand you actually have spent a bit of
[42:52] Speaker 14: time in the States doing.
[42:53] Speaker 1: Quite a drive, well, correct, Rod. So we've just got
[42:56] Speaker 1: a DOCA coming up in a literally next week to
[42:59] Speaker 1: celebrate the fourth and it is going all the way
[43:01] Speaker 1: from you know, coast to coast, all the rest of it.
[43:03] Speaker 1: But I can even do you better than that, is
[43:05] Speaker 1: that my connection to America is I got married in
[43:08] Speaker 1: America right to an Australian girl. We just didn't know
[43:11] Speaker 1: whether we could, so we went, you know, on this
[43:14] Speaker 1: big trip around the world. It ended in New York.
[43:16] Speaker 1: Funnily enough, you could go yet to stand there with
[43:19] Speaker 1: everyone else and you know, do you bride groom? Boom
[43:22] Speaker 1: boom done. So I'm pleased that I got married in
[43:26] Speaker 1: New York and my wedding photos are of stopping the
[43:29] Speaker 1: traffic in Times Square. So I absolutely love the country.
[43:34] Speaker 13: Oh that's fabulous.
[43:35] Speaker 6: That is fabulous.
[43:37] Speaker 14: Well, and I have to be honest, I've been so excited.
[43:40] Speaker 14: I'm from Washington State. You might have picked up tonight.
[43:43] Speaker 14: We've got a special beer that Ben'sbroke has brewed to
[43:47] Speaker 14: just for the two hundred and fiftieth I'm from a
[43:49] Speaker 14: very small agricultural town that just happens to brew, happens
[43:53] Speaker 14: to grow all the hops for IPAs here in Australia,
[43:56] Speaker 14: so they've made this special brew. But watching the game
[44:01] Speaker 14: over the weekend, the US Australia game in Seattle, which
[44:04] Speaker 14: is like home for me, and seeing all these Australians
[44:07] Speaker 14: enjoying it, and seeing everyone enjoy the US beyond the
[44:12] Speaker 14: headlines right getting there and seeing what it is experiencing,
[44:17] Speaker 14: whether it's the Japanese finding ranch dressing, or the Scots
[44:23] Speaker 14: in the streets of Boston, or the Australians in Seattle.
[44:26] Speaker 14: It it makes me so happy to be able to
[44:28] Speaker 14: showcase our country like.
[44:29] Speaker 1: That well and again, right, and this documentary coming up.
[44:34] Speaker 1: The sorts of things that we've tried to do is
[44:36] Speaker 1: there's so many misnomers about America, but there are also
[44:41] Speaker 1: so many little microcosms and multiple stories within stories. On
[44:45] Speaker 1: some levels, fifty different countries in one but absolute universality,
[44:50] Speaker 1: no matter where you sit on the political spectrum or
[44:52] Speaker 1: your place in history, about a commitment to the country.
[44:56] Speaker 1: And a perfect example is there's a little town in Mississippi.
[45:00] Speaker 1: It is called Natchez. Now it is a place where
[45:04] Speaker 1: it's got a tough history, right, it has got one
[45:07] Speaker 1: with these incredible homes were built and we all know
[45:10] Speaker 1: how they were built, we all know the pain that
[45:11] Speaker 1: went into it. But when we go to this little
[45:14] Speaker 1: country town, we were able to talk to two people
[45:18] Speaker 1: who told passionately both sides of the story of their
[45:21] Speaker 1: own town. Let alone being able to go and tailgate
[45:26] Speaker 1: at NASCAR, let alone being able to go and talk
[45:29] Speaker 1: to historians in Washington and all the rest of it.
[45:32] Speaker 1: There is something that they must teach you guys in
[45:34] Speaker 1: school that you're all camera ready and you all know
[45:37] Speaker 1: exactly what to say when asked by anyone with a camera.
[45:41] Speaker 1: Is there a secret, secret year of school we're not
[45:43] Speaker 1: aware of.
[45:47] Speaker 6: There's no.
[45:47] Speaker 14: But you know what I think. I think it's that
[45:49] Speaker 14: we love our country so much, and we love our
[45:52] Speaker 14: towns and our cities and our stories and we love
[45:54] Speaker 14: to share them, especially with meats like Australians and I
[46:00] Speaker 14: have to use it, you know, talking about small towns
[46:02] Speaker 14: in America. My next posting will be in Ottawa and Canada.
[46:06] Speaker 14: But what we're doing is driving from coast to coast,
[46:09] Speaker 14: starting in Washington State, driving all the way down to
[46:13] Speaker 14: DC and up to Ottawa to really, after three years
[46:16] Speaker 14: in Australia, get back into to the US, doing Yellowstone,
[46:21] Speaker 14: the Grand Tetan, Salt Lake City, the Rocky Mountains, Independence, Missouri. Yeah,
[46:27] Speaker 14: so I'm retreacing a little bit.
[46:30] Speaker 1: I think what you did, oh absolutely, and you know,
[46:32] Speaker 1: throwing a bit of root sixty six no matter what
[46:34] Speaker 1: it is, as long as the whatever the weather, the
[46:36] Speaker 1: top comes off the car and small all the way. Now,
[46:39] Speaker 1: I've got to say again unique and wonderful thing about
[46:41] Speaker 1: America that I hope you're able to have some sort
[46:43] Speaker 1: of special facility to make at the embassy is that
[46:47] Speaker 1: orange cheese. It's only available in America. I don't know why,
[46:52] Speaker 1: but orange cheese. Put it on anything, put it on everything. Hallelujah.
[46:57] Speaker 1: I love it.
[47:01] Speaker 14: I love it well. And to be honest, I got
[47:03] Speaker 14: to say the same for Australia. And I never would
[47:05] Speaker 14: have said this coming here, but my children love love
[47:09] Speaker 14: the vegemite sheeps.
[47:11] Speaker 1: Oh yes, yes, I have.
[47:12] Speaker 14: To send them to my daughter at university. It's their
[47:15] Speaker 14: favorite nat so.
[47:16] Speaker 10: They'll miss that a lot.
[47:17] Speaker 1: Well, we'll hook you up. We'll find a sideway to
[47:19] Speaker 1: get things going act again. Bessetta, Thank you very much
[47:22] Speaker 1: for your time, thank you for the bonds of our country,
[47:24] Speaker 1: thank you for celebrating with so much of us and
[47:26] Speaker 1: all the best for what's going to be a massive
[47:28] Speaker 1: weakeout for you and everyone else. Is red right and
[47:30] Speaker 1: blue next week.
[47:34] Speaker 14: Absolutely, and thank you so much for having me on.
[47:36] Speaker 14: And thank you to Australia for celebrating this really important
[47:39] Speaker 14: milestone with us.
[47:42] Speaker 1: I love that scarf. I hope that I can remem
[47:44] Speaker 1: and got one on the extras and we get to
[47:46] Speaker 1: meet up. We do it in Darlin and Ouurtown and
[47:47] Speaker 1: you'll see it sitting behind us for the fourth or reminder.
[47:51] Speaker 1: Next Wednesday, eight pm, we're going to have that special
[47:54] Speaker 1: documentary about the United States. I'll start to show you
[47:56] Speaker 1: just a little preview of it in the next couple
[47:58] Speaker 1: of days. Very excitedy proud of it. All right, one
[48:01] Speaker 1: more thing before we're done. And then it is the
[48:03] Speaker 1: Late Debate. Every now and then you see an idea
[48:09] Speaker 1: and you go, is it April fools? I present you
[48:13] Speaker 1: a chopper chump that is flavored like an Ikea meatball.
[48:19] Speaker 6: Meatball lollipop. I hope it's like a chopper chump.
[48:24] Speaker 13: Here we go, mm hmm, that's fine.
[48:35] Speaker 5: So bad the bottom is like the strawberry lollipop and
[48:40] Speaker 5: the top is like meat.
[48:43] Speaker 1: I'll take your word for it. I will never try it.
[48:45] Speaker 1: That's a show for the night, me and Kellyes, I
[48:47] Speaker 1: guess tomorrow night. Remember you can always send me an
[48:48] Speaker 1: email Paul at sky News dot com dot A you
[48:51] Speaker 1: the Late Debate. It is on sky News right now
[48:52] Speaker 1: and reminders sky news dot com dot au that's your homepage.
[48:55] Speaker 1: That's where you get it all

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