# It Won’t Be Us: Thoughts on Our Current Craziness From a Strong Towns Perspective

An episode of [The Strong Towns Podcast](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/369032477), 11 Mar 2025, 1 h 00 min.

Audio: https://mcdn.podbean.com/mf/web/xs5jua25e8j7g22h/STP_-_It_Wont_Be_Us7mpv9.mp3

In this episode of the Strong Towns Podcast, Chuck addresses the craziness of the current political climate. Using recent policy changes and public responses as examples, he explores how we’ve created a political climate of either-or: Either you decide to take a chainsaw to bankrupt and failing systems or you refuse to acknowledge that they’re bankrupt and failing. Chuck shows how the Strong Towns approach provides a third path, where problems are recognized and addressed in a healthy way. He also gives a sneak peek at how Strong Towns is planning to help advocates and cities embrace this path. ADDITIONAL SHOW NOTES • “It Was Never Going To Be Me” by Ben Hunt (Epsilon Theory article) • “Ben Hunt: Surviving the Widening Gyre Through Hope and Community” (Strong Towns Podcast) • Chuck Marohn (Substack)

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