# Want To Innovate Housing in Your State? Try Copying Michigan.

An episode of [The Strong Towns Podcast](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/369032477), 6 Oct 2025, 59 min.

Audio: https://mcdn.podbean.com/mf/web/ps6kefa3bt3rc6nk/STP_10-6-25.mp3

Michigan is on the forefront of housing innovation, with many cities throughout the state experiencing a resurgence in population and housing options. Today, Chuck talks with Dan Gilmartin, the executive director and CEO of the Michigan Municipal League, which was instrumental in this revival. Additional Show Notes • Want to bring more housing to your community? Download our brand-new housing toolkit, "Who Will Build the Housing-Ready City?" for free! • Michigan Municipal League (site) • Dan Gilmartin (Twitter/X) • Chuck Marohn (Substack This podcast is made possible by Strong Towns members. Click here to learn more about membership.

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