# #2551 - Daniel Kokotajlo

An episode of [The Joe Rogan Experience](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/360084272), 9 Sep 2026, 2 h 24 min.

Audio: https://traffic.megaphone.fm/GLT7087453482.mp3

Daniel Kokotajlo is the executive director of the AI Futures Project and a former governance researcher at OpenAI, where he focused on scenario planning. www.aifuturesmodel.com https://ai-2040.comhttps://ai-2027.com www.aifutures.org Perplexity: Download the app or ask Perplexity anything at https://pplx.ai/rogan. Don’t miss out on all the action this week at DraftKings! Download the DraftKings app today! Sign-up using https://dkng.co/rogan or through my promo code ROGAN. Switch today at https://www.Visible.com for just 25/mo. Or Save $10 on your first month of Visible+ Pro with code ROGAN. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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