# Summer Game Fest Special Episode w/ Jason Schreier, Janet Garcia, + More

An episode of [The Game Informer Show](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/335246945), 15 Jun 2026, 2 h 16 min.

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Summer Game Fest 2026 has come and gone. But while the GI crew was out in Los Angeles, we took the opportunity to invite a few of our games media pals up to our studio to chat about everything: the state of the industry, how SGF has grown and changed, and of course, all the games we've played (that we can talk about right now). Join us for an extra special, extra-long episode of The Game Informer Show, live from Los Angeles, brought to you thanks to Rode and their excellent equipment which powered our entire studio setup. Thanks for the sponsorship, Rode! Sponsored: Logitech G just changed the game again with the new PRO X2 Superstrike. This isn't just an upgrade; it’s a total reimagining of the mouse click. Stop playing fair and start playing faster. Go to LogitechG.com and enter code GAMEINFORMER25 at checkout to save 25% off Logitech G products. https://www.logitechg.com/en-us/shop/p/pro-x2-superstrike-mouse.910-007700?utm_source=Direct-to-Publisher&utm_medium=Digital-Video&utm_campaign=Logitech_FY27_Q1_NAM_GA_B2C_Amaze-Media_Direct-to-Publisher_na Timestamps: 00:00 - Game Informer Editors Alex Van Aken, Marcus Stewart and Eric Van Allen 33:52 - John Carson, Myles Obenza, and Jason Schreier 1:06:30 - Jessica Cogswell, Imran Khan, and Jesse Vitelli 1:38:10 - Liss the Lass, Janet Garcia, and Jill Grodt Support Us -- Buy Game Informer Magazine: https://gameinformer.com/subscribe Follow Us on Social Media: Bluesky - https://bsky.app/profile/gameinformer.com Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/GameInformerMagazine TikTok - https://www.tiktok.com/@game_informer Twitter - https://www.twitter.com/GameInformer Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/officialgameinformer/

## Transcript

[0:07] Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Game Informer Show, a weekly podcast
[0:11] Speaker 1: covering the video game industry. Join us every week for
[0:13] Speaker 1: a discussion about the latest gaming news, reviews, and exclusive reveals,
[0:17] Speaker 1: alongside the Game and Former staff and special guests from
[0:20] Speaker 1: around the industry. Let me tell you there's a lot
[0:22] Speaker 1: of special guests on this episode. I'm Monibreros today Alex
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[1:17] Speaker 1: joining me is one Marcus Stewart, Hello, how are.
[1:21] Speaker 2: You doing well. I'm gonna do something right now today.
[1:23] Speaker 2: You rarely ever see you on the Game and Former show.
[1:27] Speaker 1: Holy hell, look I can touch Yeah, we're here in person.
[1:32] Speaker 3: Video editors wobble, but they don't fall down.
[1:34] Speaker 2: Your little box can't save you now?
[1:36] Speaker 3: Oh god?
[1:37] Speaker 1: Yeah, hello, Eric van Allen, Hi, I'm here.
[1:39] Speaker 3: We're We're actually present and in each other's lives. Look
[1:42] Speaker 3: at this, we all live in the same place for
[1:45] Speaker 3: five days.
[1:46] Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, well we just we are recording this at
[1:50] Speaker 1: the end of Summer Game Best, but we've been recording
[1:53] Speaker 1: for several days. We've got special guests throughout the show. Today,
[1:57] Speaker 1: we've got folks like Jason Schreier, Miles of Benza, Gianna
[2:01] Speaker 1: Garcia One, Jill Groad, former Game Informer editor. A ton
[2:06] Speaker 1: of people came through this week and we had an
[2:09] Speaker 1: excellent podcast. So I'm excited for to get into that
[2:13] Speaker 1: and a little bit. We're gonna finally take some time
[2:16] Speaker 1: and start the show off by talking about the games
[2:18] Speaker 1: we played here at Summer Game Fest and all we
[2:20] Speaker 1: thought of the experience as a whole. I do want
[2:23] Speaker 1: to say that this year was I think one of
[2:27] Speaker 1: my favorite sgfs. It was, you know, a little interesting
[2:32] Speaker 1: in some ways, but I think all in all, it
[2:34] Speaker 1: was just nice to see people, nice to see and
[2:37] Speaker 1: work with people that I love and care about. And
[2:40] Speaker 1: we saw some good games. I think, you know, high
[2:43] Speaker 1: up on my list is something like a Blood Dungeon,
[2:47] Speaker 1: which we'll talk about later in the show, as well
[2:49] Speaker 1: as Slap out of It, which is I think every
[2:53] Speaker 1: That was my first or second appointment of the show,
[2:55] Speaker 1: and I proceeded to tell every person I saw that
[2:58] Speaker 1: should go and play it. But I want to hear
[3:01] Speaker 1: what you guys thought about the show, and and you know,
[3:04] Speaker 1: maybe Kick Up kicks off with some games you played. Marcus,
[3:08] Speaker 1: Let's start with you.
[3:09] Speaker 2: Yeah, I had a great time. This is my third SGF,
[3:13] Speaker 2: but I thought this might also be my favorite. Like
[3:15] Speaker 2: I thought the energy was great this year. It was
[3:18] Speaker 2: the biggest ever been. I mean, Nintendo was here, which
[3:20] Speaker 2: I think is the first time they've ever had like
[3:22] Speaker 2: a proper real presence at the show.
[3:24] Speaker 3: It was a third party presence, which was really interesting.
[3:27] Speaker 3: It was it was a lot of stuff out here,
[3:30] Speaker 3: that's definitely. I attended it for GI and it was
[3:33] Speaker 3: a lot of stuff that was on switches, but we
[3:35] Speaker 3: didn't see any like Star fux or anything like that.
[3:38] Speaker 3: But it was cool to see like a banner, a
[3:40] Speaker 3: Nintendo banner here.
[3:41] Speaker 2: Yes, but yeah, I thought that the game in terms
[3:46] Speaker 2: of the variety of it was very strong this year.
[3:48] Speaker 2: A lot of really fun demos, a lot of surprises
[3:52] Speaker 2: in terms of just when I would talk to you guys,
[3:54] Speaker 2: would talk to colleagues about like what was cool with
[3:58] Speaker 2: the show and just getting like some surprising answers that
[4:00] Speaker 2: I just let either games I wasn't on my radar
[4:03] Speaker 2: or was but there was like, oh is this better
[4:05] Speaker 2: than I maybe gave it credit for. Okay, that's cool,
[4:07] Speaker 2: but yeah, yeah there like I've had a blast being here.
[4:11] Speaker 2: I'm dog tired. Yeah, at this point, I've been here
[4:15] Speaker 2: longer than you.
[4:16] Speaker 1: Guys, though you have your on day nine.
[4:18] Speaker 2: Yeah, I've been here. I had two other events that
[4:20] Speaker 2: I flew out to LA ahead of you guys showing up.
[4:24] Speaker 2: So I've been here. It'll be a total ten days
[4:26] Speaker 2: by the time I leave.
[4:27] Speaker 1: Really.
[4:28] Speaker 2: Yeah, So I'm I'm about ready to head back to
[4:32] Speaker 2: the beautiful state of Florida.
[4:34] Speaker 1: But yeah, you got to go get ready for GTA six.
[4:37] Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, I got to get the state ready.
[4:39] Speaker 1: Got a lot of prep work. I imagine I got to
[4:41] Speaker 1: talk to DeSantis. Yeah, yeah, everybody's everybody's on this. Yeah, Eric,
[4:49] Speaker 1: how about you? How's your show?
[4:51] Speaker 3: It's been interesting. I agree with the sentiment that I
[4:53] Speaker 3: think it's probably my favorite SGF that I can think
[4:56] Speaker 3: of off the top of my head, barring maybe my
[4:58] Speaker 3: my second second was pretty good too. Yeah, but it's
[5:02] Speaker 3: been a really good one this year. I mean, you've
[5:04] Speaker 3: talked with people, you know in general on trying to
[5:06] Speaker 3: practice a little bit of gratitude. In our last segment,
[5:10] Speaker 3: Alex is going to say something similar that that I
[5:13] Speaker 3: think has really kind of resonated with a lot of
[5:15] Speaker 3: us this weekend, is that, you know, we're here to
[5:17] Speaker 3: do some really really cool stuff and show off some
[5:20] Speaker 3: you know that the media can be a filter, that
[5:23] Speaker 3: media can be a recommendation engine, that media can be
[5:26] Speaker 3: a place where interesting thought and discussion happens, and we
[5:30] Speaker 3: can act as that that medium to help that happen.
[5:32] Speaker 3: So getting back into that, doing a lot of this work,
[5:35] Speaker 3: a lot of the video interviews, a lot of the
[5:37] Speaker 3: stuff we're doing here has been really really cool. And
[5:39] Speaker 3: then we've also been seeing a lot of cool games
[5:41] Speaker 3: that I have to constantly check my phone for to
[5:44] Speaker 3: make sure that I know what the embargo is.
[5:46] Speaker 1: Yes, if you see us checking our phones, it's it's embargos.
[5:49] Speaker 4: I know.
[5:50] Speaker 2: I know.
[5:50] Speaker 3: Some sometimes people get on my case because I'll be
[5:52] Speaker 3: looking off screen during the GI show and normally that's
[5:55] Speaker 3: me just checking to make sure that OBS is not exploded.
[5:59] Speaker 2: During the show. Guess what, my phone is not on me.
[6:02] Speaker 2: So I'm gonna be a loose cannon boy this time.
[6:05] Speaker 2: It is.
[6:05] Speaker 1: I can't wait to edit this.
[6:08] Speaker 3: Well, you can't wait to it?
[6:09] Speaker 5: Yeah?
[6:09] Speaker 2: Yeah, he said it.
[6:11] Speaker 3: He said it. He has to do it now. Yeah, no,
[6:14] Speaker 3: it some really really cool stuff. I mean, I think
[6:17] Speaker 3: a lot of my personal games, all of the stuff
[6:19] Speaker 3: I took was not the higher profile stuff that kind
[6:22] Speaker 3: of fell to some of the more senior members of
[6:24] Speaker 3: the crew. I'm not complaining, I promise. It was more
[6:28] Speaker 3: like I got to chase after some of the really cool,
[6:31] Speaker 3: uh more niche or surprising things. And at the show,
[6:35] Speaker 3: I think Alex took up a lot of those indieanpoyments.
[6:37] Speaker 3: You actually took a lot too, and stuff like that.
[6:40] Speaker 2: So yeah, I got a lot they have. I think
[6:43] Speaker 2: I've probably spent the most time with Anna Perna just
[6:46] Speaker 2: based on my schedule, like I was there, I think
[6:48] Speaker 2: at least once every day, it felt like. But saw
[6:52] Speaker 2: a couple of theater showings, played a couple of small
[6:55] Speaker 2: games that they're publishing. Yeah.
[6:57] Speaker 6: Nice.
[6:57] Speaker 2: They had a pretty big presence this year.
[7:00] Speaker 1: One one game that I want to talk about that
[7:03] Speaker 1: I don't want to forget about is some of the
[7:05] Speaker 1: developers of split Gate and split Gate two Border Wars
[7:09] Speaker 1: ten forty seven games. It's called Impulse, and guys, it's
[7:14] Speaker 1: probably the closest thing we're going to get to titan
[7:16] Speaker 1: Fall two for a long time. Titan Fall to multiplayer, Yeah,
[7:20] Speaker 1: where and you are like a pilot running around wall running, sliding,
[7:30] Speaker 1: doing all sorts of stuff and then grappling around with
[7:32] Speaker 1: a grapple hook. And then instead of fighting for control
[7:35] Speaker 1: of power weapons like a sniper or like a you know,
[7:39] Speaker 1: a rocket launcher or something, there will be a notification
[7:42] Speaker 1: that like people see that it's time to fight over
[7:45] Speaker 1: a mech, and a mech is about to spawn, and
[7:48] Speaker 1: it's kind of a race to see who can pilot it.
[7:51] Speaker 1: And then once you once you do have it, of course,
[7:54] Speaker 1: you have your your kind of power level increases significantly.
[7:58] Speaker 1: When you're powering that thing. It's got like a gatling gun.
[8:03] Speaker 1: You can of course just kind of like run over people.
[8:06] Speaker 1: It's got like a if you press I was playing
[8:07] Speaker 1: a mouse and keyboard, if you press and shift, then
[8:10] Speaker 1: you would kind of like sprint forward like dashed forward,
[8:13] Speaker 1: which is a fun feeling in a mech And I
[8:15] Speaker 1: think they really kind of nailed the Titan Fall feel
[8:17] Speaker 1: of like kind of being in that uh, you know,
[8:22] Speaker 1: you are on this massive, like hulking machine, but there's
[8:27] Speaker 1: like almost like a a looseness to it that feels
[8:31] Speaker 1: really good. That it's kind of like juxtaposed with like
[8:34] Speaker 1: being inside this giant, you know machine. But yeah, I
[8:38] Speaker 1: really I really enjoyed it. I thought it it felt
[8:41] Speaker 1: really good to play the They kind of set up
[8:43] Speaker 1: a few different loadouts and I just had a I
[8:46] Speaker 1: was just playing it against bots, so I was I
[8:49] Speaker 1: was in a little playground, you know, just having a blast.
[8:53] Speaker 2: Is it a multiplayer only game or is there any
[8:55] Speaker 2: single player?
[8:56] Speaker 1: It is? It is a multiplayer only, I believe. Yeah.
[8:59] Speaker 1: But they've got this like they're grenades they call paints,
[9:03] Speaker 1: and there's like some in universe language, but you essentially
[9:07] Speaker 1: throw a grenade that is like think of it as
[9:09] Speaker 1: almost like a splatoon grenade or something, where like you
[9:12] Speaker 1: throw it and it affects you know, the walls, the floor,
[9:15] Speaker 1: the ceilings of you know, whatever's in the blast radius.
[9:18] Speaker 3: And then you can sing into it and swim.
[9:21] Speaker 1: Not quite, but you can customize what that paint does
[9:25] Speaker 1: depending on which one you've equipped. So one of them
[9:27] Speaker 1: is like a simple it's like a slow it's like
[9:29] Speaker 1: almost like a sticky paint, and so that's really good
[9:32] Speaker 1: for locking down like a mech that you don't have
[9:34] Speaker 1: control of, and everyone's secondary weapon is are hammers, and
[9:39] Speaker 1: you literally just take hammers and beat the hell out
[9:41] Speaker 1: of the mechs as you do. They also have like
[9:44] Speaker 1: a weak point in the center of their cockpit. But
[9:47] Speaker 1: like it's so fun to like be zipping around and
[9:50] Speaker 1: like hammering mech.
[9:51] Speaker 2: Hey guys, let's go beat up that gund Yeah exactly,
[9:54] Speaker 2: like mugging energy.
[9:55] Speaker 1: So this is yeah, gundas existed when I was a
[9:58] Speaker 1: kid with hammer Let's kill the yeah, yeah exactly. And
[10:03] Speaker 1: so like you can use like the sticky grenade of
[10:06] Speaker 1: sorts you can use. There's one that's like just kind
[10:08] Speaker 1: of a straightforward like this deals explosion damage, but it does.
[10:12] Speaker 1: It's like a more of a dot and it's like
[10:14] Speaker 1: depending on when you are standing in it or touching it,
[10:17] Speaker 1: it will do different damage depending on the timeline of
[10:20] Speaker 1: like when it was thrown in stuff. I think one
[10:22] Speaker 1: of the more interesting ones is like a it's like
[10:24] Speaker 1: a essentially a jump paint that you can like go
[10:28] Speaker 1: into it and you get this huge you get a
[10:30] Speaker 1: huge jump boost. But like it's all serving like the
[10:33] Speaker 1: purpose of like enhancing your kit and your strategy. And
[10:38] Speaker 1: I just think this game has excellent flow and it's
[10:42] Speaker 1: just like one of those Listen if you if my movement,
[10:45] Speaker 1: like moment to moment movement feels fun, Like that's that's
[10:50] Speaker 1: what I'm looking for in a game, right, Like is
[10:52] Speaker 1: it fun to move? You know, later later on the
[10:54] Speaker 1: g I Show, you know, some folks will talk about
[10:57] Speaker 1: like the importance of like making movement fun, right, and like,
[11:01] Speaker 1: you know, I'm not just holding a stick forward and
[11:03] Speaker 1: sprinting right and waiting to see annemy. I'm always kind
[11:06] Speaker 1: of doing something to get to a higher vantage point,
[11:09] Speaker 1: get get around this corner and try to get the
[11:12] Speaker 1: jump on people. And it felt really good. I was
[11:15] Speaker 1: actually really impressed. They've been working on this for about
[11:18] Speaker 1: I think like a year and a half, a little
[11:20] Speaker 1: over year since they wrapped on splic Gate two. I
[11:26] Speaker 1: did really want to ask the developer about his infamous
[11:30] Speaker 1: make FBS grates again.
[11:32] Speaker 2: I noticed him over by his booth and he had
[11:35] Speaker 2: a different hat.
[11:37] Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you wouldn't believe it, Yeah, I yeah, yes,
[11:41] Speaker 1: And so I was prepared to ask some of that,
[11:43] Speaker 1: and then he was pretty disarming because he's a big
[11:46] Speaker 1: game and former fan, which of course every appointment, like
[11:49] Speaker 1: I'm a huge fan, but I was like, I think
[11:51] Speaker 1: he really is. And I was like, you guys, I
[11:52] Speaker 1: will say, He's like, maybe we can grow, we can
[11:54] Speaker 1: all change it.
[11:55] Speaker 2: I will say in his defense, I interviewed him a
[11:57] Speaker 2: couple of times for the original splic Gate and he
[12:00] Speaker 2: was like, you seem like a genuinely like nice guy.
[12:03] Speaker 1: I think maybe it was a very bad move that
[12:06] Speaker 1: maybe he thought was gonna land differently that yeah, yeah,
[12:11] Speaker 1: that's maybe a charitable way of interpreting that, or you know,
[12:14] Speaker 1: but you know, people, people contain multitudes. But he was
[12:18] Speaker 1: a really nice guy. I think he's his team is
[12:20] Speaker 1: working on a on a good game and I'm excited
[12:23] Speaker 1: to play it. I think there's like either a BETO
[12:26] Speaker 1: or early access coming like later this month. But it's
[12:28] Speaker 1: Impulse with an E an E impulse. I'm an impulse
[12:32] Speaker 1: by Impulse. By the way, I've got a wild game
[12:36] Speaker 1: to talk to you all about. Yeah, the one that
[12:38] Speaker 1: I had to check the embargo for. I guided a
[12:42] Speaker 1: hands off demo of The Wolf among Us two.
[12:46] Speaker 3: Oh, that was a really interesting one. I basically sat
[12:49] Speaker 3: on the couch. Yeah, this game, this game is real.
[12:53] Speaker 3: It was, it was in development, it was in progress
[12:56] Speaker 3: in many ways. But I sat down with the creative
[13:01] Speaker 3: director of the game, sat on the couch next to me,
[13:03] Speaker 3: and just kind of drove the session as I made
[13:07] Speaker 3: choices for it. And it was really interesting to go
[13:12] Speaker 3: through that because I think I never finished the first
[13:15] Speaker 3: Wolf among Us, but I played a pretty good chunk
[13:17] Speaker 3: of it back when it first came out, and that
[13:19] Speaker 3: was years and years ago with the original Telltale crew,
[13:24] Speaker 3: and obviously a lot of time has passed. The makeup
[13:28] Speaker 3: of what Telltale is has changed over time. I mean
[13:30] Speaker 3: Telltale has literally died and come back in that time.
[13:34] Speaker 3: Shout outs to game companies that die and come back
[13:38] Speaker 3: and there's sense a mixture of kind of old Telltale
[13:43] Speaker 3: folks and new folks working at this new studio trying
[13:46] Speaker 3: to make essentially a Wolf among Us that picks up
[13:49] Speaker 3: six months after the first game ends, and I was
[13:54] Speaker 3: fascinated by the challenge of having to approach that kind
[13:59] Speaker 3: of thing, I think, especially because it's such a beloved
[14:02] Speaker 3: Telltale game. But I was really impressed by what I saw.
[14:06] Speaker 3: I saw a section that was kind of at the
[14:08] Speaker 3: end of the first episode, they told me it is
[14:12] Speaker 3: a singular game that will still be broken up into episodes.
[14:15] Speaker 3: I feel like that's kind of where a lot of
[14:16] Speaker 3: these adventure games have gone over over the years, is
[14:19] Speaker 3: that the episodic format does fit it, and even stuff
[14:23] Speaker 3: like Dispatch will kind of do a you know, here's
[14:26] Speaker 3: one every so often. But even that was a very
[14:28] Speaker 3: condensed schedule compared to you know, think of Life as
[14:31] Speaker 3: Strange one and how long that took to fully release.
[14:36] Speaker 3: But it was basically a locked room where Big B
[14:40] Speaker 3: and this NYPD cop who has kind of been swept
[14:43] Speaker 3: up in these murders that are happening, or trying to
[14:45] Speaker 3: solve this puzzle to get out. And I was really
[14:49] Speaker 3: impressed by how much there was, there were puzzles, there
[14:53] Speaker 3: were actual solving, there were they explicitly wanted to show
[14:57] Speaker 3: off in this demo the amount of signposting you can
[15:02] Speaker 3: or cannot opt into, which I thought was really interesting
[15:05] Speaker 3: because on recently in the g I slack and also
[15:09] Speaker 3: in many other forums, I have lamented the rise of
[15:13] Speaker 3: the talking head who tells you how to solve the
[15:16] Speaker 3: puzzle the second you walk into a room. When you know,
[15:19] Speaker 3: you walk into a room and you're looking around, You're
[15:22] Speaker 3: just trying to take in the scenery and look at things, and.
[15:25] Speaker 2: Example, perhaps a controversy.
[15:27] Speaker 3: Those brother you get on the box over there and
[15:29] Speaker 3: I hit the switch. It's I get really tired of
[15:34] Speaker 3: that stuff.
[15:34] Speaker 1: And so that happened to me, by the way, I
[15:37] Speaker 1: won't say which came. I was demo in a game
[15:40] Speaker 1: this week Get Play Days.
[15:41] Speaker 2: Oh this is real.
[15:42] Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, and the person kept interrupting me and telling
[15:48] Speaker 1: me how to solve the puzzle, and I was like,
[15:49] Speaker 1: I'm literally I'm having zero issues right now, Like I
[15:53] Speaker 1: can tell you how I'm doing that literally yeah yeah, yeah, God.
[15:59] Speaker 3: Forbid, I catch a b I've inside this puzzle room.
[16:01] Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, like haut I know God, and I was
[16:05] Speaker 1: mad because I ended up finishing like early. I was like,
[16:08] Speaker 1: you were rushing me for no reason.
[16:10] Speaker 3: But they were telling me that they have these strikingly
[16:13] Speaker 3: diegetic ways of introducing that where one of the examples
[16:17] Speaker 3: they showed was there was a puzzle that I was
[16:19] Speaker 3: trying to solve, or that they were trying to solve
[16:22] Speaker 3: using different sliding things that would ultimately form an image,
[16:26] Speaker 3: and they said, you know, there's an option to basically
[16:29] Speaker 3: ask your cop friend Fay for a picture that she
[16:33] Speaker 3: had taken of said image. And they were saying, depending
[16:37] Speaker 3: on choices made earlier, that image could come from somewhere
[16:39] Speaker 3: else or something like that, we actually have different ways
[16:41] Speaker 3: of introducing this hint in order to kind of make
[16:44] Speaker 3: it fit diegetically. And I thought that was really novel.
[16:48] Speaker 3: I really dug that. A lot of it feels like
[16:52] Speaker 3: there's a lot of thought going into how they approach what,
[16:57] Speaker 3: you know, a quote unquote Telltale style adventure came it
[17:00] Speaker 3: because we have seen so much iteration on that genre
[17:04] Speaker 3: over the years, as both the original Telltale works and
[17:08] Speaker 3: similar works have kind of tackled the what I would
[17:12] Speaker 3: call the new adventure game. The three D walk around
[17:16] Speaker 3: adventure game, and it really does feel like they're trying
[17:18] Speaker 3: to do something that feels like it is both rekindling
[17:22] Speaker 3: a lot of that old magic while trying to move
[17:26] Speaker 3: it up to modern standards. And I'm very surprised by
[17:29] Speaker 3: One of the coolest things they told me was that
[17:30] Speaker 3: they built a custom renderer for Unreal to try and
[17:33] Speaker 3: mimic as much of the original art style of Yeah,
[17:36] Speaker 3: there's some really cool stuff in there that you can
[17:38] Speaker 3: check out on our article on gamefore dot com for more.
[17:41] Speaker 3: But there they did some really really cool stuff to
[17:44] Speaker 3: make that all work. They would not tell me if
[17:48] Speaker 3: any choices from The Wolf among Us one would carry
[17:51] Speaker 3: over into The Wolf among Us two, though the most
[17:54] Speaker 3: I got was maybe and stay tuned, so we will see.
[18:00] Speaker 1: But if I'm thinking maybe, we might still be figuring
[18:02] Speaker 1: this out.
[18:03] Speaker 3: Yeah, the fact that they are making the remastered version,
[18:07] Speaker 3: which I believe is coming out this October, it makes
[18:11] Speaker 3: me think that it might be tied to that. But
[18:14] Speaker 3: that is that is my spectaculation, that's my speculation. That's night.
[18:18] Speaker 1: But yes, cool, Yeah, Marcus, what do you want to
[18:21] Speaker 1: talk about game ones?
[18:22] Speaker 2: You know what I'm gonna be first and foremost, I
[18:25] Speaker 2: just noticed that my sunglasses that I thought were missing
[18:27] Speaker 2: are actually right in front of me, just off camera
[18:29] Speaker 2: and the table. So that makes me very happy I
[18:31] Speaker 2: did that.
[18:31] Speaker 1: Would you like to put them on? Would that make
[18:33] Speaker 1: you feel better?
[18:34] Speaker 2: Well, here's the thing, because I'm gonna go in a
[18:38] Speaker 2: cool guy mode here because.
[18:39] Speaker 1: I'm going to play. Somebody needs to do the game I'm.
[18:41] Speaker 2: Going to talk about. Technically, I did not play it
[18:43] Speaker 2: s GF. I played before SGF, which many people didn't
[18:48] Speaker 2: get to do.
[18:49] Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, cool games before s g I don't want to.
[18:54] Speaker 2: I don't wanna somebody plays video games.
[18:56] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[18:58] Speaker 2: But speaking of Anna Perna, I actually to go to
[19:01] Speaker 2: Annapurna's like headquarters in La like theyre where their film studio,
[19:06] Speaker 2: I guess is based, to go check out an like
[19:09] Speaker 2: a big event for Control Resonance about an hour. I
[19:14] Speaker 2: actually more an hour. I think like two hours of
[19:17] Speaker 2: Control Resident from like the very beginning of the game
[19:20] Speaker 2: to a section a few chapters in the Control Resident
[19:25] Speaker 2: was at SGF, But when I was talking to people
[19:26] Speaker 2: that played it sounds like they stopped right before the
[19:28] Speaker 2: second half that I got to continue at this event.
[19:31] Speaker 2: But I'm a huge fan of Control. I think that
[19:35] Speaker 2: first game is incredible. It's one of my favorite worlds
[19:38] Speaker 2: I've ever been in. Like, I just love everything about
[19:41] Speaker 2: that game. And when I saw the sequel one, I'm
[19:44] Speaker 2: exciting sequel. But also the sort of like character action
[19:47] Speaker 2: direction that they're going in speaks to me because I'm
[19:50] Speaker 2: a huge like stylist action like domic cry ban, I
[19:53] Speaker 2: don't give me all that stuff. I love it. So
[19:55] Speaker 2: I was really curious to see how Remedy woul nailed
[19:57] Speaker 2: at because that is not the kind of games that
[19:59] Speaker 2: they make. They pretty much just the third person shooters.
[20:02] Speaker 2: Really think of it between Max Kaine. Well, and there
[20:05] Speaker 2: was Crossfire, but I mean that's a shooter.
[20:08] Speaker 3: See.
[20:08] Speaker 1: By the way, I just thought that new Crossfire game
[20:10] Speaker 1: from That's no Moon.
[20:11] Speaker 2: I mean I can talk about that too because you
[20:14] Speaker 2: saw that too. That was my first event.
[20:18] Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I think we need them.
[20:19] Speaker 2: Yeah, but yes for Control. So, uh, long story short,
[20:24] Speaker 2: the game is awesome so far. Yeah, like, uh, Dylan Faden,
[20:30] Speaker 2: the character in that game, he controls incredibly well. The
[20:35] Speaker 2: action in that game again for being Remedy's first stab
[20:38] Speaker 2: at that style of action game, I'm not going to
[20:40] Speaker 2: say it matches the kind of like action game Nirvana
[20:43] Speaker 2: of like the best of DMC or being at UP,
[20:46] Speaker 2: but it's not terribly far off, which is still a
[20:49] Speaker 2: great mark to hit for your first time out. The
[20:53] Speaker 2: combats a lot deeper than I maybe expected it to
[20:57] Speaker 2: be because the weapon that you have the apparant which
[20:59] Speaker 2: is kind of the transforming like pretty much it's like
[21:02] Speaker 2: Jesse's the surface weapon in the first game, whereas transforming gun,
[21:05] Speaker 2: he just has like a transforming like metal rod that
[21:07] Speaker 2: can turn into like a scythe or a whip or
[21:11] Speaker 2: whatever he wills it to be basically, but each transformation
[21:14] Speaker 2: kind of offers a different play style. Like when I
[21:17] Speaker 2: started the game, I had the one handed acts, which
[21:19] Speaker 2: was kind of the more balance in terms of like
[21:21] Speaker 2: the speed of attacks, but it also had at least
[21:23] Speaker 2: would have described as robust combo potentials. But you're using
[21:27] Speaker 2: your standard melee weapon, but you also have a sidearm,
[21:30] Speaker 2: which is basically like a sub transformation that you can use,
[21:33] Speaker 2: so you actually can turn it into like a whip
[21:36] Speaker 2: or you can turn it into a big hammer for
[21:38] Speaker 2: like heavy swings. But then also Dylan has superpowers because
[21:41] Speaker 2: he's super powerful, and that's why he was locked away
[21:45] Speaker 2: in the FBC headquarters for so long, so he can
[21:48] Speaker 2: at least then the demo I had, he could kind
[21:50] Speaker 2: of like summon a bunch of rubble around him shield.
[21:54] Speaker 2: That was felt really cool to like block attack Suddenly.
[21:58] Speaker 2: Is he an earth bender? Is that what we're talking about?
[22:00] Speaker 2: He pretty he does do a lot of earth bending
[22:02] Speaker 2: because he has another ability where he just like kind
[22:05] Speaker 2: of wills earth in the ground and just like oos
[22:07] Speaker 2: it at people.
[22:09] Speaker 1: I Okay, don't hate me. I I've only watched like
[22:14] Speaker 1: a few episodes of Avatar the Last Airbender.
[22:16] Speaker 3: You can't hate me for my turtle takes anymore like that.
[22:19] Speaker 2: I yes, I think that's more offensive than not. Yeah,
[22:22] Speaker 2: because I'm in different towards nature turtles in.
[22:26] Speaker 1: I will say I have enjoyed what I watched that show, Okay,
[22:30] Speaker 1: because there has been a Turtles show for every gy
[22:33] Speaker 1: I made it to the Fire Temple.
[22:36] Speaker 2: That's like the Fire the Fire Nation Fire.
[22:40] Speaker 1: No.
[22:40] Speaker 3: No, there's there's a part at the beginning specific episode.
[22:43] Speaker 2: There's there's a.
[22:44] Speaker 3: Part at the beginning of the first season where they
[22:46] Speaker 3: go to uh a fire temple during I think it's
[22:49] Speaker 3: like one of the equinoxes or something. Yeah, he can
[22:52] Speaker 3: only talk to him one of his past selves. I
[22:55] Speaker 3: swear I'm not this into Avatar. I just recently rewatched
[22:58] Speaker 3: this series and so I know whatpisode Alex talking about.
[23:01] Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's why I stopped. I was like, this
[23:03] Speaker 1: is great, can't wait to watch more, and then I
[23:05] Speaker 1: got busy. But my point being, I always thought the
[23:09] Speaker 1: Earthbenders are awesome. O.
[23:11] Speaker 3: The Earthbenders are the cool.
[23:12] Speaker 1: Like back in City of Heroes, back in the day,
[23:14] Speaker 1: I would play an Earth controller when you like like
[23:18] Speaker 1: some of like rock tombs and stuff around people and
[23:21] Speaker 1: like that. I love that kind of fantasy. Like, uh,
[23:24] Speaker 1: even as a kid, when like I was outside of
[23:26] Speaker 1: my friends and we were like, well I'm going to
[23:27] Speaker 1: control water, I'm a control fire. I would be the
[23:29] Speaker 1: Earth guy.
[23:30] Speaker 2: So I'm like your Kwame and Captain Planet.
[23:32] Speaker 1: Yeah exactly. Yeah. So it sounds like this is up
[23:35] Speaker 1: my alley.
[23:36] Speaker 2: And if you want to see the best of Earthbending
[23:37] Speaker 2: watching the live action Avatar movie.
[23:39] Speaker 1: Uh.
[23:40] Speaker 2: Anyways, the uh Dylan has these kind of like three
[23:45] Speaker 2: kind of like core tiers of abilities that you're mixing
[23:48] Speaker 2: and matching between. You can switch between them when you
[23:52] Speaker 2: go to a. It's basically this game's version of the
[23:55] Speaker 2: Mind Palace more or less from All and Way two. Okay,
[23:57] Speaker 2: it's called the Gap. You can access it anytime. It's
[24:00] Speaker 2: basically the space where you can change out your loadouts,
[24:02] Speaker 2: you can upgrade your ability trees. There's even a training
[24:04] Speaker 2: room if you want to kind of test your load
[24:06] Speaker 2: out see if it does what you want to do.
[24:08] Speaker 2: But just the myriad of combinations that are available is
[24:11] Speaker 2: pretty impressive. And also the game kind of encourages you
[24:15] Speaker 2: to not stick with anything because certain enemies have vulnerabilities.
[24:17] Speaker 2: Are like, oh, these guys can really only take damage
[24:20] Speaker 2: to like blunt weapons like a hammer, and like, oh
[24:22] Speaker 2: I don't have a hammer right now, so you could
[24:23] Speaker 2: still kill them, it's just gonna be harder. So you
[24:25] Speaker 2: might be like, maybe I'll bring a hammer for this section.
[24:27] Speaker 2: I don't know, that'll be my excuse to play it.
[24:30] Speaker 2: But like the actions good. The sort of like more
[24:34] Speaker 2: open area of New York looks awesome because you know,
[24:37] Speaker 2: the HSS have escaped and they have pretty much turned
[24:40] Speaker 2: New York into this like warped, nightmarish version of itself.
[24:44] Speaker 2: For like streets are suddenly taking like ninety degree plunges,
[24:50] Speaker 2: Like there's tons of just citizens floating in the sky
[24:53] Speaker 2: like they were in the float in the Oldest House
[24:55] Speaker 2: and in the first game.
[24:56] Speaker 3: Wait, when are you gonna start describing the part of
[24:58] Speaker 3: New York that is in like New York that all
[25:00] Speaker 3: sounds about right that though, yeah, yeah.
[25:05] Speaker 2: But one of the coolest ones. I don't know why
[25:07] Speaker 2: it has popped me, but like there's a section when
[25:09] Speaker 2: you early on where you just see a flock of
[25:12] Speaker 2: birds and they're just like suspended and animation and they
[25:16] Speaker 2: keep flickering in and out of existence. Like it kind
[25:19] Speaker 2: of reminded me of Spider Verse, like the Parker was
[25:22] Speaker 2: like glitching out and stuff. So like, visually it looks awesome,
[25:28] Speaker 2: but it's like like the uh, the action's great. It's challenging,
[25:33] Speaker 2: but it isn't. I wouldn't say it's like maybe like
[25:36] Speaker 2: deble may Cry challenging, but it does get pretty tough.
[25:39] Speaker 2: I fought one boss.
[25:41] Speaker 1: Uh.
[25:42] Speaker 2: I think they've shown the trailer's a kind of like
[25:44] Speaker 2: hiss that just looks like a giant woman's head with
[25:46] Speaker 2: her jaw missing and her hair is kind of like
[25:49] Speaker 2: snake like and she's like throwing all kinds of stuff
[25:53] Speaker 2: at you, Like she just looks really freaky and she's
[25:55] Speaker 2: like like just roaming around all over the map, but
[25:59] Speaker 2: she has a fun fight. And there were sections later
[26:01] Speaker 2: on where you're like going through like this kaleidoscopic it's
[26:04] Speaker 2: like apartment Like it's like it used to be an
[26:06] Speaker 2: apartment building, but it's just now this series of like
[26:09] Speaker 2: repeating floors and you're going room to room and you
[26:13] Speaker 2: can walk on the walls, you can walk in the ceiling,
[26:16] Speaker 2: and you're getting in the fights there and you're having
[26:18] Speaker 2: to jump between the walls and the ceiling, and reminded
[26:21] Speaker 2: me a lot of the hotel scene and Inception Mmmm
[26:24] Speaker 2: in a way. I was like, this is really cool.
[26:27] Speaker 2: So I'm so excited to see just now that they
[26:30] Speaker 2: have a bigger playground to play with with Manhattan or
[26:33] Speaker 2: I don't know if it extends beyond Manhattan, but regardless,
[26:36] Speaker 2: I think that there's a lot of like potential for
[26:38] Speaker 2: a really cool level design and uh sort of environmental
[26:42] Speaker 2: tricks cool top of just how good the action is.
[26:45] Speaker 1: Yeah, really really quick because we need to kind of
[26:48] Speaker 1: get onto our other segments, cross Fire, the whole thing.
[26:52] Speaker 1: I think the coolest thing, the coolest thing to me
[26:55] Speaker 1: was like that that it seemed like they're doing something
[26:57] Speaker 1: cool with the cover, the way they were moving between.
[27:00] Speaker 2: Yeah. So the first event I went to was visiting
[27:03] Speaker 2: vatsnow Moon's development studio, their team of veteran developers here
[27:08] Speaker 2: in Los Angeles. Actually their studio. Apparently they ever given
[27:12] Speaker 2: us a tour. It used to be the motion capture
[27:15] Speaker 2: studio that Naughty Dog used for all the Uncharted games. Interesting,
[27:19] Speaker 2: and they're using that studio for all their motion capture
[27:21] Speaker 2: for this game. But yeah, Crossfire. So it's a reimagining
[27:25] Speaker 2: of the Crossfire like multiplayer game like apparently Smilegate, the
[27:32] Speaker 2: IP holder and developer of the OG game, basically gave
[27:34] Speaker 2: their blessing to say you can do whatever you want.
[27:37] Speaker 2: So they're telling a single player, no multiplayer whatsoever, like
[27:43] Speaker 2: story driven, cinematic just campaign about these two soldiers, one
[27:50] Speaker 2: of which is played by an actress from the Boys
[27:55] Speaker 2: whose name I forget. She plays a character named like
[27:58] Speaker 2: Victoria bag guy. I've never seen the Boys. Oh, yes, soon,
[28:01] Speaker 2: it's Claudia do.
[28:05] Speaker 3: The Yeah. I don't want to say who it is
[28:07] Speaker 3: because it's really easy to spoil, but yes, I know
[28:09] Speaker 3: what you're talking about.
[28:09] Speaker 2: Okay, but yeah, she plays a character nam Leila in
[28:13] Speaker 2: a game. She's the actual playable protagonist. The other character
[28:17] Speaker 2: is a soldier named Delroy I believe, who's also played
[28:21] Speaker 2: by another actor named Ricky Whittle, who I believes is
[28:26] Speaker 2: I think the only credit they gave is like, he's
[28:27] Speaker 2: in American Gods. But the idea is like the there's
[28:30] Speaker 2: the two soldiers that are diametrically opposed to each other
[28:33] Speaker 2: because they have just completely different beliefs, like Leyla apparently
[28:37] Speaker 2: is very much like, hey, I believe in change and
[28:40] Speaker 2: being progressive, and the other guy's like, no, I don't
[28:45] Speaker 2: like that. I like status quo things should say the same.
[28:48] Speaker 2: I don't know where they'll go with that. They didn't
[28:49] Speaker 2: really a man exactly. They didn't really in context for
[28:54] Speaker 2: like what they actually believe and sort of like what
[28:56] Speaker 2: do they apply to those beliefs to They just got
[28:59] Speaker 2: like kind of keeping that the vest so on the surface,
[29:02] Speaker 2: I'm like, Okay, that's kind of lame, but also I
[29:04] Speaker 2: don't know what let's see what the how that plays
[29:08] Speaker 2: into the story. But they kind of get forced to
[29:11] Speaker 2: work together because there's some sort of strange threat that
[29:15] Speaker 2: has fallen on Earth something that is clearly like not
[29:18] Speaker 2: human because despite looking like an average military shooter, they
[29:22] Speaker 2: say that this is actually a sci fi game, but
[29:25] Speaker 2: it's drownded sci fi, so, like I believe in the
[29:28] Speaker 2: trailer they showed this, but we got to watch a
[29:31] Speaker 2: love gameplay demonstration where Delroy, who was an AI controlled
[29:34] Speaker 2: companion but he's with you the whole game. He has
[29:37] Speaker 2: like a cloaking ability so he can kind of he
[29:39] Speaker 2: has like some sort of tech where he just goes
[29:40] Speaker 2: full like world combat reptile and can like sneak around.
[29:44] Speaker 2: I did not see leyla use this, so I'm not
[29:46] Speaker 2: sure if she can do it or if the demo
[29:48] Speaker 2: or just didn't do it. But yeah, you have kind
[29:52] Speaker 2: of a mix of like conventional weapons and like weird
[29:56] Speaker 2: tech like that.
[29:56] Speaker 1: It was like a ghost recon future soldier or something.
[30:00] Speaker 3: Would believe neither one of you are saying ghosts in
[30:02] Speaker 3: the shell. This is messed up. This is it's a
[30:06] Speaker 3: ghosts in the shell. They're doing ghosts in the shell. Yeah,
[30:09] Speaker 3: we'll go with that ghost in the shell, but it's
[30:12] Speaker 3: literally a story about a character.
[30:15] Speaker 2: Was like, I don't operative.
[30:18] Speaker 1: I told you, I told you, I don't like horror.
[30:21] Speaker 1: I don't do ghosts.
[30:22] Speaker 3: I gotta leave. That's the flight tomorrow.
[30:28] Speaker 2: But so yeah, to your point, they're the centerpiece feature
[30:32] Speaker 2: for this game is this system called a dactive cover
[30:35] Speaker 2: where their big pitch for this is basically, we want
[30:37] Speaker 2: to evolve the cover based shooter because for so long,
[30:42] Speaker 2: taking covering games meant hiding behind an obvious box.
[30:45] Speaker 1: It's the Gears of War, you know. Yeah, we're still
[30:47] Speaker 1: doing it two decades later.
[30:49] Speaker 2: Yeah, you go in the room, you clearly know where
[30:51] Speaker 2: you can hide where they wanted the They because this
[30:54] Speaker 2: game is built in on refined that are like, oh,
[30:56] Speaker 2: using that tech, it much has the ability to create
[31:00] Speaker 2: like natural geometry, like if you like they demoed it
[31:04] Speaker 2: was kind of like in a canyon which has a
[31:05] Speaker 2: bunch of like rocks and boulders laying around naturally, And
[31:08] Speaker 2: they're like, oh, basically we can have it so that
[31:10] Speaker 2: the characters can automatically they're animated away with the organically morph.
[31:16] Speaker 1: To the mesh.
[31:18] Speaker 2: And in a way that makes sense and basically is
[31:22] Speaker 2: the way a real person would if you were taking
[31:24] Speaker 2: cover basically using whatever was around you.
[31:27] Speaker 6: Yeah.
[31:28] Speaker 2: Yeah, so they showed us like a gray box sort
[31:30] Speaker 2: of like a wireframe breakdown of this that kind of
[31:34] Speaker 2: helped sell or explain what the tech did. But yeah,
[31:38] Speaker 2: it looks cool. Like just seeing the character just move
[31:43] Speaker 2: and crawl through the rocks the way a real person
[31:45] Speaker 2: would it was pretty impressive just animation wise. And again
[31:48] Speaker 2: it makes the firefights more interesting because you go into
[31:51] Speaker 2: an area, it's not always clear where you can hide,
[31:53] Speaker 2: but you just take whatever you think will hide you
[31:56] Speaker 2: best and provide some sort of advantage in terms of
[31:59] Speaker 2: like okay, can I show them but they can't shoot me?
[32:02] Speaker 2: But I kind of I like the thought behind that.
[32:04] Speaker 2: Because this game is a stealth forward game. They are
[32:07] Speaker 2: very clear that like it's very easy to die. You
[32:09] Speaker 2: take a few shots and you're down. They're trying to
[32:11] Speaker 2: like like realistic lethality, and ideally you want to sneak
[32:15] Speaker 2: up on people or flank them instead of just outright
[32:18] Speaker 2: getting into firefights. You can do that. It's just gonna
[32:20] Speaker 2: be really hard. But between that and having a stamina
[32:23] Speaker 2: meter that you have to manage for, you don't really
[32:25] Speaker 2: see him shooters very often. Yeah, and also you have
[32:29] Speaker 2: like armored that you can equit, but it can shatter
[32:32] Speaker 2: when it takes too much damage, and the sound, as
[32:35] Speaker 2: I would say, it was really good. Like the bullets.
[32:37] Speaker 2: Every bullet felt impactful, every gun shot felt impactful. The
[32:41] Speaker 2: game looks really nice, just fidelity wise, like I think
[32:44] Speaker 2: the I was worried about this at the time, and
[32:47] Speaker 2: then my fear was confirmed. We're like, I don't think
[32:49] Speaker 2: the Summer Games Fest trailer really sold what that game's
[32:53] Speaker 2: actually trying to do because it's kind of just hard
[32:56] Speaker 2: to convey through like a cinematic trailer like you would
[32:58] Speaker 2: mee the devs go out there and explain like, hey,
[33:00] Speaker 2: actually here's how this works.
[33:02] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[33:03] Speaker 2: But yeah, I'm I'm like interested in that game. I
[33:07] Speaker 2: need to see more of it. I'm curious more about
[33:09] Speaker 2: the story stuff and how the characterization evolves. But the
[33:13] Speaker 2: tech behind it seems really cool, awesome.
[33:15] Speaker 1: I'm right there with you. Well, we've got a full show,
[33:19] Speaker 1: so we're gonna toss it over. Eric is gonna get
[33:22] Speaker 1: in the hot seat and host what. We've got a
[33:26] Speaker 1: swath of excellent guests to many grade show sat a
[33:30] Speaker 1: swath yes, Allegian.
[33:32] Speaker 3: Allegian, Yes, michadro a school.
[33:35] Speaker 1: Well, thank you everybody for watching, and we hope that
[33:39] Speaker 1: you enjoyed the rest of the podcast. All right, we'll
[33:43] Speaker 1: bear back right after this.
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[34:03] Speaker 3: Summer Game Fest twenty twenty six, and here to talk
[34:05] Speaker 3: about the state of things, the games, the fest, the everything,
[34:10] Speaker 3: and the Jeff. We have an excellent panel of wonderful
[34:14] Speaker 3: guest here to discuss all our thoughts about Summer Game
[34:16] Speaker 3: Fest so far. We're actually recording this on the Sunday,
[34:19] Speaker 3: so we have not experienced all of what summer game
[34:21] Speaker 3: fests may hold for us. But I feel like we
[34:24] Speaker 3: can get a good idea so far, starting on my
[34:28] Speaker 3: closest side here, John Cars.
[34:29] Speaker 7: Hello, Hey, it's day two. It is day feels like
[34:34] Speaker 7: it's day thirty. It's been a long arduous SGF, so.
[34:39] Speaker 3: We always call it like day minus one, day zero,
[34:44] Speaker 3: and it always feels like a misnomer because day two
[34:46] Speaker 3: really does feel like you've already run half the marathon.
[34:49] Speaker 7: I thought I'd be good today and then it's like
[34:52] Speaker 7: I've had two red bulls. In the last couple of
[34:54] Speaker 7: hours and I'm like barely up to.
[34:56] Speaker 3: Two Red Bulls. Yeah, okay, so we'll need the cardiac
[35:00] Speaker 3: It powered by Road all stand by. Yeah, no, they don't,
[35:06] Speaker 3: they don't. Miles, please introduce yourself for the folks at home.
[35:10] Speaker 6: Hello.
[35:10] Speaker 8: Yeah, I'm Miles of Ben's I'm a freelance writer. And yes,
[35:13] Speaker 8: my third SGF. Like you were saying, it's day two
[35:17] Speaker 8: but not. Actually, my first apployment was like Thursday morning
[35:21] Speaker 8: and I've just been NonStop ever since.
[35:23] Speaker 6: But yeah, happy to be here, Thanks for the invite.
[35:25] Speaker 3: And we've got Jason Shire. Jason, please introduce yourself for
[35:27] Speaker 3: the folks at home.
[35:28] Speaker 9: Well, you just did. I'm Jason Tryer YouTube personality Jason Tryer.
[35:34] Speaker 9: I have an issue. Well, I feel like we got
[35:37] Speaker 9: the game, we kind of got the fast, but it's
[35:40] Speaker 9: not summer. So it's like this.
[35:42] Speaker 2: Is I don't know what.
[35:45] Speaker 9: Sweat and game fest, like late spring game kind of fest. Sure,
[35:52] Speaker 9: late spring game event as I may call it.
[35:56] Speaker 3: I guess it was. It was sweltering. I almost burned
[35:58] Speaker 3: the other day at Summer game.
[36:00] Speaker 9: Fest is just like a festival.
[36:02] Speaker 3: Yeah, it's so just just started all off like How
[36:08] Speaker 3: are we feeling about Summer game Fest this year? This
[36:10] Speaker 3: is what the fifth year I believe of Summer Game
[36:13] Speaker 3: Fest total and alex fan Aikan waters into this spen
[36:19] Speaker 3: for a chair and it kind of feels like the
[36:23] Speaker 3: sentiment I've heard from people is that, okay, that maybe
[36:26] Speaker 3: the novelty has worn off. We are no longer in
[36:29] Speaker 3: the this is the new and we're trying to figure
[36:31] Speaker 3: out is this how we get kind of the legs
[36:33] Speaker 3: of the traditional summer apparatus under us because the games
[36:37] Speaker 3: industry loves to operate in its cycles, and we usually have,
[36:41] Speaker 3: now fully commanded by Jeff Keeley, we have the Winter
[36:45] Speaker 3: of Game Awards and the Summer of Game Fest. Jason,
[36:50] Speaker 3: how are you feeling about where things are at with
[36:52] Speaker 3: Summer Game Fest? Do you think like this is kind
[36:54] Speaker 3: of filling a gap that we needed filled right now?
[36:57] Speaker 9: Well, I guess it's always been there, right because it
[36:59] Speaker 9: was E three and then there was a tiny hiatus
[37:01] Speaker 9: maybe a year now. Actually Killy jumped in even when
[37:04] Speaker 9: E three was still going away. This one Summer games Best,
[37:07] Speaker 9: so it's always been here. It's interesting, I think from
[37:10] Speaker 9: a player perspective, it's a little more confusing than E
[37:14] Speaker 9: three was.
[37:15] Speaker 3: It's kind of.
[37:15] Speaker 9: A disparate collection of events. But from a media perspective,
[37:20] Speaker 9: it's actually a little bit better than E three in
[37:23] Speaker 9: a lot of ways because what E three traditionally was
[37:26] Speaker 9: a series of press conferences and media people would shepherd
[37:30] Speaker 9: around Los Angeles going to these press conferences, and then
[37:32] Speaker 9: afterwards you would go to the Los Angeles Convention Center,
[37:35] Speaker 9: which is right across the street from us, and you
[37:37] Speaker 9: would attend the show for which was packed full of
[37:39] Speaker 9: thousands of people. You had to kind of navigate the
[37:41] Speaker 9: seas of people and like add an extra fifteen minute
[37:44] Speaker 9: buffer to every appointment to just get through people and
[37:47] Speaker 9: get across all the holes. And it was a spectacle
[37:50] Speaker 9: and that had its advantages. But what we have now
[37:54] Speaker 9: is instead of that convention center portion, we have a
[37:58] Speaker 9: what's called play Days, which is a very small campus
[38:01] Speaker 9: that is much easier to navigate, much easier to get around,
[38:04] Speaker 9: much easier to have appointments for press. So in that way,
[38:07] Speaker 9: it's it's kind of better, I think from the fan perspective,
[38:11] Speaker 9: it's a little bit different from but from our perspective here,
[38:13] Speaker 9: it's kind of like a similar structure, but a better
[38:16] Speaker 9: media experience.
[38:18] Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, these these details always feel granular and almost
[38:21] Speaker 3: maybe like inside baseball, but I think they end up
[38:24] Speaker 3: being illustrative of the shifts in the industry as well,
[38:27] Speaker 3: because E three was always a spectacle in and of itself, right,
[38:31] Speaker 3: there was kind of a huge industry gathering that would
[38:33] Speaker 3: bring in these giant booths, and there was almost an
[38:36] Speaker 3: air of like, you've got to be here. E three
[38:38] Speaker 3: is where it's happening, and SGF does feel a little
[38:40] Speaker 3: bit subdued by comparison. It's like the difference between a
[38:44] Speaker 3: massive tech industry convention and like a south By Southwest
[38:47] Speaker 3: where it kind of takes over the downtown of a city,
[38:49] Speaker 3: and we're not even there yet. We just have kind
[38:51] Speaker 3: of a tiny campus in LA and that's that's kind
[38:54] Speaker 3: of where, you know, the crux of it is outside
[38:56] Speaker 3: some outside events, but Miles like, like, what is your
[38:59] Speaker 3: takeaway been of this year's SGF. Do you feel like
[39:02] Speaker 3: it's it's a solid year. Do you feel like we
[39:04] Speaker 3: have a lot of stuff going on? Or yeah, So.
[39:06] Speaker 8: I'm actually like, relatively, I've only been doing this for
[39:09] Speaker 8: like five years, so I don't I can't compare this
[39:11] Speaker 8: to E three because I've never been My first E
[39:13] Speaker 8: three that I was approved for was the year it
[39:16] Speaker 8: actually got killed. Yeah, but no, like, yeah, this is
[39:23] Speaker 8: my third and like play days is cool, but it's
[39:27] Speaker 8: not the only thing happening. And so your your question was,
[39:30] Speaker 8: like where does it go from here? I think a
[39:33] Speaker 8: lot of UH studios have kind of figured out that
[39:37] Speaker 8: they might not always need to like work with Jeff
[39:39] Speaker 8: Keeley all the time, and they can just do the
[39:41] Speaker 8: stuff off off site completely related to just schedule stuff
[39:45] Speaker 8: around this time. That was what my appointment was on Thursday.
[39:47] Speaker 8: It was they know everyone's in town, but it's not related. Yeah,
[39:53] Speaker 8: I mean, I I'm still enjoying it. Again, I don't
[39:55] Speaker 8: have much to compare it to. You guys are gonna
[39:59] Speaker 8: have a lot more in site on that than Mesold. Uh, yes, no, no,
[40:05] Speaker 8: but I mean it's it's it's fun. I'm just glad
[40:08] Speaker 8: that like we still have stuff like this for us
[40:10] Speaker 8: to have work and then for dives to get their
[40:13] Speaker 8: games out in the world.
[40:14] Speaker 3: John. Any thoughts on on where SGF, like the size
[40:17] Speaker 3: of SGF is at right now.
[40:18] Speaker 7: Yeah, Like I've gone the last three years and it's
[40:23] Speaker 7: occupying the same space for the last three years. Yes,
[40:25] Speaker 7: there's like those outside like Xbox as their their thing outside.
[40:30] Speaker 7: There's only a couple of those events outside the wall
[40:33] Speaker 7: of the hollowed walls.
[40:34] Speaker 3: Of the floral walls.
[40:40] Speaker 7: I think it does need to grow a little bit more.
[40:43] Speaker 7: The one thing I missed from E three is having
[40:45] Speaker 7: a bunch of just like play kiosks, to just like
[40:48] Speaker 7: walk up and play a game.
[40:51] Speaker 3: Here.
[40:51] Speaker 7: It's very like you you need an appointment for something.
[40:54] Speaker 7: If you don't have that connection to something, like, you're
[40:57] Speaker 7: not going to be able to play that, Like I'm
[41:00] Speaker 7: not going to be able to play like Star Wars
[41:03] Speaker 7: Race or if I can. Yeah, So like there's there's
[41:08] Speaker 7: stuff that's there that I can't even access, even though
[41:12] Speaker 7: it's right there in front of me, and there's plenty
[41:14] Speaker 7: of machines there. But if I could just like walk
[41:17] Speaker 7: up and play something, I think that's what it's really
[41:20] Speaker 7: missing for attendees.
[41:23] Speaker 3: It's an interesting dynamic because like I've covered this thing
[41:25] Speaker 3: for sites and I've covered it as a freelancer, and
[41:29] Speaker 3: there is a kind of disparity, especially when there is
[41:32] Speaker 3: a limit to how many, you know, PlayStations you could
[41:35] Speaker 3: fit and not not like PlayStations but like actual places
[41:39] Speaker 3: you can play a game, how many you can put
[41:41] Speaker 3: in a room, how many people can afford to put
[41:43] Speaker 3: in a room. And that is one of the things
[41:46] Speaker 3: I think has been coming up a lot around SGF
[41:48] Speaker 3: is the question of cost. How much money it costs
[41:50] Speaker 3: to be here, how much manpower it costs to be here,
[41:53] Speaker 3: how much hardware it costs to be here. And I
[41:56] Speaker 3: think that is always kind of a concern for people
[42:00] Speaker 3: and for devs on on their side, is how much
[42:03] Speaker 3: is SGF worth it?
[42:04] Speaker 10: Uh?
[42:05] Speaker 3: Even for us on the media side, we ask ourselves,
[42:07] Speaker 3: you know, sending people out here, how much is that
[42:10] Speaker 3: worth it. I do still think that the summer game
[42:12] Speaker 3: Fest and and a lot of the content we end
[42:15] Speaker 3: up creating around it is really exciting, and we can
[42:17] Speaker 3: get some cool insight and stuff like that, but it
[42:22] Speaker 3: is just always this thing that feels caught somewhere between
[42:25] Speaker 3: where E three was and and I don't know, something
[42:29] Speaker 3: like a PAX or something like that. I've seen a
[42:31] Speaker 3: lot more creators around this year. I've seen a lot
[42:33] Speaker 3: more content creators influencers. Jason, do you feel like maybe
[42:37] Speaker 3: that's a are we seeing the specter of content creation
[42:41] Speaker 3: coming up? And and being like this is kind of
[42:44] Speaker 3: where the industry is going here.
[42:46] Speaker 9: Asking maybe because I'm a content creator.
[42:47] Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, and noted content creator.
[42:50] Speaker 9: First of all, you you when you're talking about the
[42:52] Speaker 9: space of PlayStations and have the play stations and have
[42:56] Speaker 9: me thinking that so much, make so much to make
[43:00] Speaker 9: theme park. But for Summer games Fest, where you have
[43:03] Speaker 9: to design your own video game convention and figure out
[43:06] Speaker 9: how many kiosks you can fit in, and then every
[43:08] Speaker 9: so often Jeff Keeley comes and takes a tribute from
[43:11] Speaker 9: you attack to be.
[43:13] Speaker 3: There, the sewing occurs, I think, I mean, I think
[43:19] Speaker 3: what you're seeing is more reflection of the state of
[43:21] Speaker 3: media than anything.
[43:23] Speaker 9: I mean, they are fewer and fewer outlets. Some of
[43:25] Speaker 9: many of those outlets have been eviscerated. I mean just
[43:29] Speaker 9: this time last year, I was having dinner with some
[43:34] Speaker 9: friends who were a Polygon and they are no longer
[43:36] Speaker 9: at Polygon. So it's that I think that the rise
[43:39] Speaker 9: of the tiktokors and the YouTubers, I think is more
[43:43] Speaker 9: a reflection of where the media space is than anything
[43:47] Speaker 9: on the money end. I mean, it's interesting. I think
[43:49] Speaker 9: that for game developers being in one of these showcases
[43:54] Speaker 9: can change their lives in a big way. It can
[43:56] Speaker 9: lead to metrics that they can then show two potential funders.
[44:01] Speaker 9: It can lead to obviously sales. It can lead to
[44:03] Speaker 9: a lot of things like if you guys, a good
[44:05] Speaker 9: example which is at the Game Awards in December of
[44:10] Speaker 9: twenty twenty four, So not quite summer game sets, but
[44:12] Speaker 9: winter game sests let's call it, or not even winter,
[44:15] Speaker 9: let's call it, or late Fall games.
[44:16] Speaker 3: Fest, late Spring games Fest. You're getting very specific about
[44:19] Speaker 3: the seasonality.
[44:20] Speaker 9: I just think I think we should be accurate with
[44:23] Speaker 9: our non inflate trees.
[44:24] Speaker 3: The Tumble Equinox Fest.
[44:26] Speaker 9: Exactly, the game war is. In twenty twenty four, the
[44:30] Speaker 9: people at ad Hoc Studio announced a game called Dispatch,
[44:33] Speaker 9: and at that point when they announced it, they did
[44:35] Speaker 9: not have funding secured for that game. They announced it
[44:38] Speaker 9: suddenly got this huge influx of attention and it helped
[44:41] Speaker 9: them get a deal that they wound up signing with
[44:43] Speaker 9: Critical Role and making sure that that all that they
[44:45] Speaker 9: were able to finish the game and had enough funding
[44:47] Speaker 9: to do it led to a massive success. So I
[44:51] Speaker 9: do think there is benefit to being in one of
[44:53] Speaker 9: these things and getting a lot of eyeballs on your game.
[44:56] Speaker 9: That said, one of the problems that I was kind
[44:58] Speaker 9: of hinting at early with this disparate nature of some
[45:02] Speaker 9: against us is that there are something like twenty showcases
[45:05] Speaker 9: and everybody has just kind of sprung up to be
[45:07] Speaker 9: like we have the showcase that is like about whatever,
[45:10] Speaker 9: Like every single genre has a showcase, and that risks
[45:15] Speaker 9: just kind of in the same way that having twenty
[45:17] Speaker 9: thousand games on theme every year is a problem. That
[45:19] Speaker 9: can be a problem too, because I don't know how
[45:21] Speaker 9: many eyeballs all those showcases are getting.
[45:24] Speaker 3: That's it.
[45:24] Speaker 9: I mean, it is good generally. I think to have
[45:28] Speaker 9: a nexus point like a weekend when a lot of
[45:31] Speaker 9: people are paying attention to games and gaming news, I
[45:34] Speaker 9: think that's good for everybody.
[45:36] Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, the media can act as a filter function
[45:38] Speaker 3: in a lot of situations like this where we can
[45:40] Speaker 3: come in and do that in honor of that, let's
[45:43] Speaker 3: filter right now. And Carson, I'm curious to hear what
[45:46] Speaker 3: you've seen so far that you can talk about, which granted,
[45:49] Speaker 3: part of the thing about SGF is that there's many
[45:51] Speaker 3: embargoes at SGF. They love to show us things and
[45:55] Speaker 3: then say you can't talk about this for a little bit,
[45:57] Speaker 3: so within the bounds of what you can talk about
[46:01] Speaker 3: what has really struck you.
[46:03] Speaker 7: Yeah, thankfully this show goes up after some of those impartment.
[46:09] Speaker 3: After the time traveling here.
[46:12] Speaker 7: But yeah, like I saw like Stranger than Heaven earlier today,
[46:15] Speaker 7: and I think that was that's gonna be a very
[46:18] Speaker 7: interesting game, Like people are gonna talking about did not
[46:22] Speaker 7: see to Everybody's asked me if I fought Tupac in it,
[46:25] Speaker 7: and it's like I would have lost.
[46:28] Speaker 3: No.
[46:29] Speaker 7: I think that that game has like a very interesting
[46:31] Speaker 7: combat style and that's really what they focused on during
[46:34] Speaker 7: during that demo. That's gonna be maybe devisive a bit
[46:39] Speaker 7: because it's not as simple as Yakaza. It's no, it's
[46:44] Speaker 7: I don't know if you want me to dive into
[46:46] Speaker 7: this absolutely so combat in Stranger than Heaven. You're using
[46:52] Speaker 7: the bumpers and the triggers, and you have your working
[46:55] Speaker 7: the left side of your body in the right side
[46:57] Speaker 7: of your body.
[46:57] Speaker 3: Like very techn almost in that way.
[46:59] Speaker 9: Yeah.
[46:59] Speaker 7: Yeah, And it's not always like the bumpers are your
[47:03] Speaker 7: hands and the triggers are your legs. It's sometimes the
[47:07] Speaker 7: triggers are your legs and sometimes it's a more powerful attack.
[47:10] Speaker 7: You also have weapons that change how you're how you're
[47:15] Speaker 7: utilizing those buttons, but it's always left and right. The
[47:19] Speaker 7: interesting stuff that they do is when you have other
[47:22] Speaker 7: when you have enemies coming in and like grabbing you,
[47:25] Speaker 7: Like let's say they grab your right arm, you have
[47:27] Speaker 7: to use your left arm to like knock them off
[47:29] Speaker 7: of you, or just like find openings on people and
[47:34] Speaker 7: try to swing at them in the appropriate place. It's
[47:38] Speaker 7: probably needs a little bit of tuning. Still, it's very,
[47:40] Speaker 7: very hard, and kind of the thing I was having
[47:45] Speaker 7: trouble get wrapping my head around is I've played like
[47:48] Speaker 7: three third person action games during during the show, and
[47:52] Speaker 7: all of them have different like controller configurations, and so
[47:57] Speaker 7: I'm trying to like dodge with b but be's block
[48:01] Speaker 7: or like attack with certain buttons, and like really getting
[48:03] Speaker 7: your your mind around that within like a half hour
[48:06] Speaker 7: session is it's tough.
[48:08] Speaker 3: So I've been having that all week with UH. I'll
[48:12] Speaker 3: play something on an Xbox controller and I'll know where
[48:15] Speaker 3: X and Y are and I'll go demo something on
[48:17] Speaker 3: a switch Pro controller and mine nex are flipped and
[48:20] Speaker 3: it keeps happening over and over and over again, we
[48:22] Speaker 3: need to we need to standardize the button mappings across
[48:25] Speaker 3: the board. Stranger the Paradise, Yeah, it is a curious
[48:30] Speaker 3: thing because I feel like strangers a fantasy on the mind. Yeah, yeah,
[48:35] Speaker 3: Stranger of Paradise, Stranger than Heaven. Is an interesting thing
[48:38] Speaker 3: because I this does feel like a Yakuza adjacent game.
[48:43] Speaker 3: There's a lot of hinting that it is kind of
[48:45] Speaker 3: a Yakuza style, like like it is involved in the
[48:48] Speaker 3: yaka Is continuum.
[48:49] Speaker 2: Yep.
[48:50] Speaker 3: But uh yeah, there's just been so much stuff around
[48:52] Speaker 3: it from the showcases. I mean, the Tupac thing I
[48:56] Speaker 3: think is what kind of maybe tilted the cup a
[48:58] Speaker 3: little far in now water is pouring out where people
[49:02] Speaker 3: are going You really need to do that? Do you
[49:05] Speaker 3: have to do that? But but you're saying on the
[49:07] Speaker 3: game side, it does feel like it's it's coming together
[49:09] Speaker 3: the way you would expect.
[49:10] Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, it always it always looked like like playing
[49:14] Speaker 7: it was a little bit more complex than the Yakasi had.
[49:16] Speaker 7: Actually getting my hands on it, it absolutely is. It
[49:18] Speaker 7: takes them getting used to You really need to be
[49:20] Speaker 7: very deliberate. Was everything that you're doing just like mentally
[49:23] Speaker 7: not always.
[49:24] Speaker 3: The same as like you just kind of run around
[49:27] Speaker 3: and in spaccas like.
[49:27] Speaker 7: Yeah, dodge and stuff like you really need to consider
[49:32] Speaker 7: some things and you're when you're going into a.
[49:34] Speaker 3: Scuffle the miles what about you.
[49:37] Speaker 8: Yeah, it's interesting. This year is a lot more hands
[49:40] Speaker 8: off stuff than the last couple of years. So I've
[49:42] Speaker 8: seen a lot of presentations for like is it the
[49:46] Speaker 8: Lost Wild?
[49:47] Speaker 3: It's basically it's not the Lost World. It's not level.
[49:53] Speaker 8: Multiples, but it's basically but it's basically alien isolation with
[50:02] Speaker 8: dinosaurs and looks. But I didn't get to play it.
[50:04] Speaker 8: The same thing with Silent Hell Townfall. It was all
[50:08] Speaker 8: just like a half hour presentation where they just kind
[50:11] Speaker 8: of showed off like the first person like sneaking and
[50:14] Speaker 8: combat and you have this like CRT radio that it's
[50:17] Speaker 8: kind of like the main gay play mechanic where you
[50:19] Speaker 8: you scan it and then you look. It's like your compass,
[50:22] Speaker 8: I guess, but if we're talking hands on, I did
[50:26] Speaker 8: play it about an hour with Tony Musha Weigh the
[50:29] Speaker 8: Sword with You.
[50:30] Speaker 6: Actually it was very good.
[50:32] Speaker 8: So the second time I played it, I believe the
[50:36] Speaker 8: demo that's out publicly was the one we played at packs. Yes,
[50:40] Speaker 8: this last Yeah, this one is a new boss fight
[50:43] Speaker 8: is pretty challenging. It's like this creepy like face hand
[50:47] Speaker 8: guy you yeah, yeah.
[50:48] Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like a demon.
[50:50] Speaker 7: That's uh, the whole the whole thing is this town
[50:54] Speaker 7: has a god that is granting people what they want,
[50:58] Speaker 7: but at a cost. So I there's a lady who
[51:01] Speaker 7: doesn't want to play her instrument anymore, so he takes
[51:04] Speaker 7: her fingers. Yeah it's creepy, so she doesn't have to
[51:07] Speaker 7: play her instrument.
[51:09] Speaker 3: How would she want it? Yeah, you gotta be careful
[51:11] Speaker 3: about how you were these things.
[51:14] Speaker 8: But the fight itself is interesting, Like it's not just
[51:16] Speaker 8: like dodge perry and deflect your attacks that, Like there's
[51:20] Speaker 8: more mechanics involved. So there's all of that. But then
[51:23] Speaker 8: he's tethered to this like you know fountain thing you
[51:26] Speaker 8: can attach or sorry, you can attack that and break
[51:29] Speaker 8: it to where he's like weaker and he doesn't hit
[51:31] Speaker 8: his hard. Yeah, it's challenging. It's not like souls like
[51:36] Speaker 8: hard where like I mean it it is, but the
[51:39] Speaker 8: checkpoints are pretty forgiving compared to.
[51:42] Speaker 6: Stuff like that.
[51:43] Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, and for.
[51:44] Speaker 8: Someone like me who's not good at stuff like that,
[51:47] Speaker 8: it's it's it's nice to be able to play it
[51:49] Speaker 8: die and just start right right back over. It took
[51:51] Speaker 8: me five tries beat it and then like it was interesting.
[51:55] Speaker 8: We we were talking about this earlier. The voice acting
[51:58] Speaker 8: was kind of rough if you play in English, but
[52:02] Speaker 8: the duds are good.
[52:04] Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, I enjoyed it a lot.
[52:06] Speaker 7: That gave us a lot of like combat options, like
[52:09] Speaker 7: you're like your Perry's and your blocks like do different things,
[52:13] Speaker 7: but they can kind of result in similar outcomes for
[52:17] Speaker 7: what you want them to. And there's this like excessive
[52:21] Speaker 7: ability option to like have the button prompt on screen,
[52:24] Speaker 7: but it's kind of sure misleading because it's not a QTE.
[52:29] Speaker 7: It's just like you should hit this button, but it
[52:30] Speaker 7: doesn't tell you the time you can turn that off.
[52:33] Speaker 7: Because I found it kind of uh yeah, pretty distracting.
[52:36] Speaker 7: It can be, ye, would you think of it, Jason?
[52:40] Speaker 9: I thought it was cool, definitely hard. I died more
[52:44] Speaker 9: than five times. I won't say it's embarrassing. I don't
[52:48] Speaker 9: want to say on film that.
[52:51] Speaker 3: We each get like a number above our heads it's
[52:53] Speaker 3: like how many times we.
[52:53] Speaker 9: Died, because it's like I feel like, I mean, I
[52:58] Speaker 9: played all of Veldering. I beat everybody in that game.
[53:00] Speaker 9: I feel like I'm decent at these games. And then
[53:02] Speaker 9: I'm standing there and these cap Gun people were watching
[53:04] Speaker 9: me and just laughing.
[53:05] Speaker 6: There's a lot of pressure when they're just staring at you.
[53:07] Speaker 7: Yeah, they're laughing with you, Jason, They're laughing with me.
[53:10] Speaker 9: Yeah. But I'm looking forward to that game. It's funny
[53:14] Speaker 9: that you guys are catching me the day before most
[53:17] Speaker 9: of my hands on appointments tomorrow, like doing the day
[53:19] Speaker 9: of stuff. But I'll give a shout out to two
[53:21] Speaker 9: indie games that I really enjoyed this week and so far.
[53:24] Speaker 9: One it's called Bad Magpie and it is the bird
[53:27] Speaker 9: game that was announced that Xbox from an indie game
[53:30] Speaker 9: studio called Milk Tooth. It's kind of like untitled Goose game,
[53:34] Speaker 9: but like a little bit easier, a little bit more
[53:36] Speaker 9: kind of friendly on the controls and until Goose game,
[53:40] Speaker 9: but still a fun little rockus go you'reless little pigeon
[53:43] Speaker 9: that is causing all sorts of or I guess Magpie
[53:45] Speaker 9: that is called any May that is causing all sorts
[53:49] Speaker 9: of ruckous in this little town collecting gems. And then
[53:53] Speaker 9: the other game that I really enjoyed is called slap
[53:57] Speaker 9: slap out of it. I believe it's.
[53:59] Speaker 7: That's what I was talking with bretet Groom about that,
[54:01] Speaker 7: and that looks awesome.
[54:02] Speaker 9: Very cool game. It's it's a puzzle game. It's got
[54:06] Speaker 9: an art style that's very reminiscent of bug Snacks, these
[54:10] Speaker 9: kind of deformed cartoon characters, and it is essentially a
[54:14] Speaker 9: series of almost like Escape Room esque puzzles, adventure game puzzles.
[54:19] Speaker 9: But there's this core mechanic where your arms extend and
[54:23] Speaker 9: slap things, and everything in the game can be slapped.
[54:26] Speaker 9: Every character in the game can be slapped, and you
[54:28] Speaker 9: can just use your arms to interact with the world
[54:30] Speaker 9: in these hilarious ways. It's extremely fun. They've designed the
[54:33] Speaker 9: physics in a way that makes it very satisfying to
[54:36] Speaker 9: just slap everything you see.
[54:38] Speaker 3: Like what kind of like a slap I feel is
[54:40] Speaker 3: in two parts, because there's the initial smack, but then
[54:44] Speaker 3: there's like the reverb that comes afterwards, so they get
[54:46] Speaker 3: the good reverbs, so it has that big like yes.
[54:48] Speaker 9: And think of it in terms of objects, so you're
[54:51] Speaker 9: not like leaving marks on people's faces. It's more that
[54:55] Speaker 9: like you'll see you'll see a I don't know a
[54:59] Speaker 9: trash bin, and so you can reach out in your
[55:01] Speaker 9: hand extends like twenty feet and slaps the trash.
[55:03] Speaker 3: Man and then it ruffles and things come out.
[55:05] Speaker 9: Yeah, and you're using and you press the triggers to
[55:08] Speaker 9: control your two arms, so you can do both arms,
[55:10] Speaker 9: and then you're using this to solve all sorts of puzzles,
[55:12] Speaker 9: and some of them are clever and fun, and I'm
[55:15] Speaker 9: very excited for the real thing that game. Believe. I
[55:18] Speaker 9: believe both of those games I just mentioned come out
[55:20] Speaker 9: next year.
[55:21] Speaker 3: Those sound they sound great. The indies have been really
[55:24] Speaker 3: surprising me. I spend some time in a particular booth
[55:28] Speaker 3: earlier playing a bunch of them. And one that really
[55:30] Speaker 3: stuck out to me that I did not I mean
[55:33] Speaker 3: obviously didn't see coming at all when it was announced,
[55:35] Speaker 3: and also I didn't expect to get me as much
[55:38] Speaker 3: as it did is the among Us single player game
[55:43] Speaker 3: among Us Story, where it's a single player murder mystery
[55:50] Speaker 3: where you're kind of set up. There's a framing device
[55:52] Speaker 3: we don't need to go too far into, but basically,
[55:54] Speaker 3: in the section I played, you're playing as a guard
[55:57] Speaker 3: character who's investigating them of a crewmate suspected there is
[56:02] Speaker 3: an imposter among you, and a lot of it just
[56:05] Speaker 3: plays so deeply into the among us stuff. There's jokes
[56:08] Speaker 3: about the swipe card never working on the first go.
[56:12] Speaker 3: There's jokes about events. There's a really good bit of
[56:15] Speaker 3: writing where they say the vents are the hallways of
[56:19] Speaker 3: criminals or something like that. And I was talking to
[56:23] Speaker 3: the team behind it. One of the writers on the
[56:26] Speaker 3: crew is actually a trick Weeks from BioWare, formerly back
[56:30] Speaker 3: on Dragon Age and things like that, so there's actually
[56:32] Speaker 3: some really interesting writing talent working on this. You can
[56:35] Speaker 3: see it play out in just sort of the little
[56:38] Speaker 3: quips and jokes that feel really you're getting a good
[56:42] Speaker 3: mix of both among us references and also the character
[56:44] Speaker 3: and the internal monologue you're getting as you play this
[56:47] Speaker 3: game from the Guard is very hard boiled, detechnive detective noir,
[56:51] Speaker 3: where you're just going, like these streets reek of crime today.
[56:56] Speaker 3: I'm here on this ship to cook eggs and fight crime.
[57:00] Speaker 3: I'm all at it eggs and stuff like that, and
[57:02] Speaker 3: it's it's delightful. It is absolutely delightful in a way
[57:06] Speaker 3: that I really like because Jason, you know I I well,
[57:11] Speaker 3: well noja. But in general, I love a good puzzle
[57:16] Speaker 3: game and I love a good murder mystery.
[57:18] Speaker 9: How compares to.
[57:21] Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah you. You and I have gone back and
[57:23] Speaker 3: forth about many of like like your Donkan Rampas, your
[57:25] Speaker 3: zero Escapes and things like that, and one of the
[57:29] Speaker 3: two by two I Can't.
[57:30] Speaker 9: Wait, which I think is secretly Before. That's my theory.
[57:34] Speaker 9: Times Before finished that with the third game, right, so.
[57:40] Speaker 3: We we can't turn this into a V three spoiler cast.
[57:43] Speaker 3: We'll be here all night. But the thing about those
[57:46] Speaker 3: games is they're they're very you know, gratuitous, They're very excessive.
[57:50] Speaker 3: Even stuff like one hundred line is very over the top,
[57:53] Speaker 3: and I love them for it. But I really like
[57:55] Speaker 3: the idea of a kind of surelock who done It?
[57:59] Speaker 3: Type game that you can play with, you know, that
[58:01] Speaker 3: families could play together, that kids could enjoy that you're
[58:04] Speaker 3: not going to be worried about putting on the switch
[58:05] Speaker 3: and saying, you know, like, oh little Timmy is playing
[58:07] Speaker 3: Dangan Rampa. No, Timmy don't play Dagon Rampau. So it
[58:12] Speaker 3: was it was just delightful. I was. I was really
[58:14] Speaker 3: taken aback that, you know, this hasn't been done before.
[58:18] Speaker 3: Because it does feel like an immediately perfect fit for
[58:21] Speaker 3: this story and for this style of gameplay, and these
[58:25] Speaker 3: these jokes work so so well.
[58:27] Speaker 9: When is that coming out?
[58:28] Speaker 3: They they just told us it's in development. Is one
[58:33] Speaker 3: of the ones where it kind of has a vibe
[58:35] Speaker 3: of when it's ready. It's ready, but what I played
[58:39] Speaker 3: felt very ready so far, And also I poked around
[58:42] Speaker 3: a few others there. One that also surprised me was
[58:45] Speaker 3: Armatus Armatuse, from the developers of Godfall. If you remember
[58:52] Speaker 3: that that game from years back. They're they're making a
[58:55] Speaker 3: third person roguelike shooter and it. Yeah, Godfall had some
[59:01] Speaker 3: sauce at some cookery and they have relocated the sauce
[59:05] Speaker 3: with this game. It's got some really great combat, lots
[59:08] Speaker 3: of dashing and shooting and getting cool upgrades for your guns,
[59:12] Speaker 3: and it's very punchy, it's very animated, it's very you
[59:17] Speaker 3: kind of get into the mix. I still haven't played Returnal.
[59:19] Speaker 3: I've not played Sorrows or Returnal, sure, but when I
[59:22] Speaker 3: was playing that game, my first thought was, this is
[59:25] Speaker 3: kind of what I thought it would feel like to
[59:26] Speaker 3: play Returnal, like in a positive way, like this is
[59:29] Speaker 3: it's got that sort of one one more go, one
[59:32] Speaker 3: more run. Get these cool upgrades, attach them to your gun,
[59:36] Speaker 3: find new ways to blast through enemies. I had this
[59:39] Speaker 3: awesome scythe that I would, you know, you build up
[59:41] Speaker 3: your special meter, your special abilities by shooting and hitting things,
[59:44] Speaker 3: and once they fill up, then you have it to use.
[59:48] Speaker 3: And they were telling me they really want to throw
[59:50] Speaker 3: enemies at the player to encourage them to not just
[59:53] Speaker 3: sit on abilities, but you want to use them constantly,
[59:55] Speaker 3: don't hoard your resources. And so I had this site
[59:58] Speaker 3: that I was flinging out and it would ricochet back
[1:00:00] Speaker 3: and forth and boomerang and petrify everything in its path,
[1:00:03] Speaker 3: and then when I shot things, they would explode into
[1:00:05] Speaker 3: stone that would ricochet around and hit other enemies to
[1:00:08] Speaker 3: do damage. It just felt very satisfying. It felt very
[1:00:11] Speaker 3: like really good to play. I was playing on a
[1:00:14] Speaker 3: pro controller on a switch to that was hooked up
[1:00:16] Speaker 3: to a TV, and it was running spectacularly. I think
[1:00:20] Speaker 3: that one is honestly one of my biggest surprises, because
[1:00:22] Speaker 3: I think, on paper, third person shooter, rogue Light, you've
[1:00:26] Speaker 3: seen it before, but this one, I think really took
[1:00:29] Speaker 3: me by surprise and nailed the concepts to kind of
[1:00:33] Speaker 3: wrap things up. You know, we talked about SGF as
[1:00:36] Speaker 3: an entity earlier, but for y'all's SGF this year. Are
[1:00:39] Speaker 3: you are you feeling good about what you've seen? Are
[1:00:41] Speaker 3: you feel good about where the industry is heading? Just
[1:00:42] Speaker 3: based off of the games you've been playing and the
[1:00:44] Speaker 3: discussions you've been having here as we've been hanging out
[1:00:47] Speaker 3: at places, talking to developers, talking to publishers, talking to media,
[1:00:50] Speaker 3: Are you feeling positive right now? Are you feeling okay?
[1:00:53] Speaker 3: You know's how's the sentiment?
[1:00:56] Speaker 8: I think like the quality of games is continue to
[1:01:00] Speaker 8: get better, and like as as as an art form,
[1:01:02] Speaker 8: I think it's just always going to continue to get better,
[1:01:04] Speaker 8: you know, when people make them not robots, But that's
[1:01:09] Speaker 8: that's kind of.
[1:01:12] Speaker 6: Not even half of what our industry is.
[1:01:15] Speaker 8: I feel good about where we're going artistically and like
[1:01:18] Speaker 8: how mechanics continue to evolve, But it's everything else around
[1:01:22] Speaker 8: it that's kind of It's been a hard couple of years.
[1:01:25] Speaker 3: You know, Yeah, yeah, it's definitely been difficult. Carson. You
[1:01:28] Speaker 3: look like you're deep in thought. I am, because because like, yes,
[1:01:31] Speaker 3: there are.
[1:01:32] Speaker 7: There are ways where the industry is like I think
[1:01:36] Speaker 7: getting better at tackling the technical limitations that we're about
[1:01:42] Speaker 7: to be facing with with like hardware prices. Yes, yeah,
[1:01:46] Speaker 7: just making games like run better and and and do
[1:01:49] Speaker 7: some pretty creative things there. But a lot of the
[1:01:52] Speaker 7: stuff that's at the show too feels like a lot
[1:01:54] Speaker 7: of the stuff that's been at the show for a
[1:01:56] Speaker 7: couple of years.
[1:01:57] Speaker 6: Yeah, Like, I.
[1:02:00] Speaker 7: Don't know, it doesn't feel all that all that fresh
[1:02:03] Speaker 7: to me right now. There's like little glimmers of hope
[1:02:05] Speaker 7: here and there.
[1:02:06] Speaker 6: But I mean there's a lot of third person action games.
[1:02:10] Speaker 2: There, the whole lot.
[1:02:11] Speaker 3: Yes, yes, but those do sell those Yes, that's true.
[1:02:14] Speaker 7: Yeah, and that's not that's not to say that I'm
[1:02:17] Speaker 7: not liking the things that I'm that I'm playing and
[1:02:19] Speaker 7: seeing there, but like there's nothing that's like.
[1:02:22] Speaker 3: Really blowing my mind.
[1:02:24] Speaker 2: Nothing.
[1:02:25] Speaker 7: I don't feel like we're moving forward significantly.
[1:02:28] Speaker 3: So yeah, Jason, what about you.
[1:02:31] Speaker 9: I was thinking about how in twenty nineteen I was
[1:02:34] Speaker 9: at E three and it felt like it was dying
[1:02:38] Speaker 9: and it was like half empty Sundays. It was really
[1:02:41] Speaker 9: really weird to real and it felt like E three
[1:02:45] Speaker 9: was on its way out, even before a global pandemic
[1:02:48] Speaker 9: came and put a put a wrench in everything and
[1:02:51] Speaker 9: accelerated its demise. And similarly, it feels like the video
[1:02:56] Speaker 9: game industry was dying before a mass of memory chip
[1:03:00] Speaker 9: crisis came along and put a wrench in everything. So
[1:03:04] Speaker 9: I mean, I am very pessimistic. I would like to
[1:03:08] Speaker 9: not be, but it's hard to be optimistic about the
[1:03:11] Speaker 9: state of the industry. And I think that, like as
[1:03:15] Speaker 9: two miles this point, the quality of video games has
[1:03:17] Speaker 9: never been better. There's never been more of a variety
[1:03:20] Speaker 9: of great games. We're still seeing new genres get invented
[1:03:25] Speaker 9: and pushed and like the boundaries are going to push
[1:03:28] Speaker 9: in all sorts of cool ways. But at the same time,
[1:03:31] Speaker 9: the industry as we know it is going through like
[1:03:33] Speaker 9: irreversible changes and I don't really know what the next
[1:03:37] Speaker 9: few years looks like there, but it's gonna be shocking
[1:03:43] Speaker 9: for a lot of people, I think, unfortunately.
[1:03:46] Speaker 3: Well, the one good thing that we have here is
[1:03:48] Speaker 3: a lot of great coverage from the folks here in
[1:03:50] Speaker 3: this room. Happy to have you on real quick before
[1:03:52] Speaker 3: we bounce out again, I might have you all plug
[1:03:54] Speaker 3: your stuff real quick. Jason, where can the folks find you?
[1:03:56] Speaker 3: And the wonderful things you do? On the internet.
[1:03:58] Speaker 9: You can find me on the Trip Click Podcasts, which
[1:04:01] Speaker 9: is a podcast about video games.
[1:04:04] Speaker 3: Excellent, excellent, Miles what about You.
[1:04:06] Speaker 8: You can find me on Blue Sky at Miles of Benza,
[1:04:08] Speaker 8: and find a lot of my games work at a
[1:04:10] Speaker 8: Temple of Geek. Also freelance that like most of these websites.
[1:04:14] Speaker 8: Heck yeah, and John Carson.
[1:04:15] Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean Blue Sky, you find me in John Carson,
[1:04:18] Speaker 7: I'm for SGF. You can find my work at bay though,
[1:04:22] Speaker 7: at MMO RPG dot com. And then I'm gonna be
[1:04:27] Speaker 7: shopping around a few other things that will hopefully land somewhere.
[1:04:31] Speaker 3: Heck yeah, yeah, the life of freelancer. Yeah right, yeah,
[1:04:34] Speaker 3: the dream Yeah, well, you can keep it here for
[1:04:36] Speaker 3: Game Informer. We'll have more segments coming up after this.
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[1:06:41] Speaker 3: all this down. We've got a great studio set up here.
[1:06:43] Speaker 3: We're talking about the games that we played this week
[1:06:45] Speaker 3: and some are game Fest itself, and we've brought a
[1:06:48] Speaker 3: great panel in to continue that conversation. Let's start with
[1:06:51] Speaker 3: my left here. Jess introduce yourself for the folks at home.
[1:06:54] Speaker 11: Hey, I am Jessica coxsle and I am an editor
[1:06:57] Speaker 11: over at GameSpot, and we.
[1:06:59] Speaker 3: Got im raw and who are our game and former
[1:07:01] Speaker 3: fans are probably familiar with For those who don't know,
[1:07:03] Speaker 3: you know, I.
[1:07:05] Speaker 10: I think I've been giving for more like every year
[1:07:07] Speaker 10: since being laid off from gaming for her, so like
[1:07:10] Speaker 10: it's like I never.
[1:07:11] Speaker 3: Left games games media, always passing that same five dollars.
[1:07:14] Speaker 10: Or But yeah, I'm im ron Con. I am a
[1:07:18] Speaker 10: staff writer for We Start Not Run.
[1:07:21] Speaker 3: And we got Jesse over on the end. Introduced yourself.
[1:07:23] Speaker 4: Please going on, I'm Jesse Vittelli, everybody. I also work
[1:07:26] Speaker 4: at Restart dot Run. I think my official titles associate editor.
[1:07:29] Speaker 9: I don't actually know what.
[1:07:30] Speaker 10: My dad, I have two different titles in the back end.
[1:07:32] Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm social editor and then staff writer and also
[1:07:35] Speaker 4: associate editor. I don't know which one I am.
[1:07:37] Speaker 11: I have to say something so important. I've known you
[1:07:39] Speaker 11: for so long.
[1:07:41] Speaker 12: It's Vitelli.
[1:07:42] Speaker 4: Okay, let's let's let's clear this up right now. My
[1:07:44] Speaker 4: mom says Vitelli, my dad says Vitelli, and nobody knows.
[1:07:47] Speaker 12: Yeah, I say, Jesse Vittelli.
[1:07:49] Speaker 10: You can say whatever you want to cause my wife
[1:07:51] Speaker 10: like a crisis of consciousness when like you told remember that, Yeah,
[1:07:54] Speaker 10: she was like she got mad at you.
[1:07:56] Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, she really thought I was like gaslighting here forever.
[1:07:58] Speaker 10: And the truth is, I don't know.
[1:08:00] Speaker 3: I say, Jesse Viddley. Here we are, we're talking about
[1:08:05] Speaker 3: Summer game Fest. Jesse will start with you. What's the
[1:08:08] Speaker 3: vibe of Summer game Fest this year for you? How
[1:08:10] Speaker 3: are you feeling about it?
[1:08:11] Speaker 4: I feel tired, which I think a lot of people
[1:08:13] Speaker 4: have probably said it's a good time. I always call
[1:08:17] Speaker 4: it video game block party. I think that's like the
[1:08:20] Speaker 4: most apt description I can come up with. It does
[1:08:22] Speaker 4: feel a little more block party this year, with like
[1:08:24] Speaker 4: the giant statue heads and the pool.
[1:08:26] Speaker 3: To be clear, there's no water.
[1:08:27] Speaker 1: In the pool.
[1:08:27] Speaker 4: It's just like a stat It's just an empty pool,
[1:08:29] Speaker 4: empty pool with like a fake diving board. The games
[1:08:32] Speaker 4: are cool, that people are great as always, That's why
[1:08:35] Speaker 4: I love coming here. But otherwise it's like a little
[1:08:38] Speaker 4: it feels weird. I know how to describe it.
[1:08:40] Speaker 10: I do feel like there are more influencers and other
[1:08:42] Speaker 10: people giving photo ops in places now. Yes, Like when
[1:08:45] Speaker 10: I was at a demo today and like at the
[1:08:47] Speaker 10: registration booth, somebody was like taking photos posing. I'm like
[1:08:51] Speaker 10: at the registration booth, yeah, like the check in.
[1:08:54] Speaker 11: Both I was like, oh, that's funny, cool.
[1:08:57] Speaker 3: I get like that.
[1:08:57] Speaker 10: Because there were tweeting I'm in line for like this
[1:09:02] Speaker 10: demo show, you.
[1:09:03] Speaker 9: Know, I do.
[1:09:03] Speaker 11: So I think that there are definitely more influencers this year.
[1:09:06] Speaker 11: I have to say that part of me finds this
[1:09:08] Speaker 11: stuff really cute because I'm always like what if this
[1:09:11] Speaker 11: is like like this is probably their.
[1:09:12] Speaker 12: First time doing it, you know what I mean.
[1:09:13] Speaker 11: Like to them, they're like, holy shit, I made it
[1:09:15] Speaker 11: like I'm doing the thing because like we've all had
[1:09:17] Speaker 11: moments where we walk in a room and we have
[1:09:19] Speaker 11: that feeling, and so I don't know, it's cool to
[1:09:21] Speaker 11: kind of see stuff like that play out now.
[1:09:23] Speaker 10: I'm happy for them, as long as it does not
[1:09:25] Speaker 10: get in the way of me doing much.
[1:09:28] Speaker 3: I've been really excited to see. I feel like I've
[1:09:30] Speaker 3: seen a few influencers around who are definitely more on
[1:09:32] Speaker 3: the specialized side, and that has been really exciting to
[1:09:34] Speaker 3: see of people who kind of do specialized youtoo content,
[1:09:38] Speaker 3: who play certain game genres and stuff like that. I
[1:09:40] Speaker 3: believe we're having one on as a guest in our
[1:09:43] Speaker 3: next segment, so that'll be a fun discussion topic. But like,
[1:09:46] Speaker 3: I think that's a really cool thing to see because
[1:09:48] Speaker 3: that's something that as games media, I feel like we
[1:09:50] Speaker 3: always have a very generalist approach. We kind of have
[1:09:52] Speaker 3: to show up here, and there's certainly a level of
[1:09:56] Speaker 3: take appointments that feel right for you that you want
[1:09:59] Speaker 3: to do, but there are always some that are like,
[1:10:01] Speaker 3: this is a big game, this is a notable game.
[1:10:03] Speaker 3: We need to go play it, somebody has to go
[1:10:05] Speaker 3: play it. And I've really enjoyed seeing some of the
[1:10:08] Speaker 3: more specialized YouTubers and how they approach some of the
[1:10:11] Speaker 3: stuff because they go in with a beat and a
[1:10:13] Speaker 3: drive and they know what they're talking about, and they
[1:10:15] Speaker 3: go to appointments and you can immediately tell who is
[1:10:17] Speaker 3: showing up and like knows ball about what they're talking about.
[1:10:20] Speaker 9: Thousand.
[1:10:20] Speaker 11: I'm so glad that you said, because it's actually so true.
[1:10:22] Speaker 11: I remember one of the first years, like maybe the
[1:10:25] Speaker 11: second year I went to it, Like I saw someone
[1:10:28] Speaker 11: who is an influencer named cozy Ka and she does
[1:10:30] Speaker 11: a lot of like cozy game coverage. She's all over
[1:10:33] Speaker 11: Instagram and she's amazing, Like she just seems like such
[1:10:35] Speaker 11: a sweetheart. And I saw her and I was like,
[1:10:38] Speaker 11: that is so cool, Like that is so cool that
[1:10:39] Speaker 11: they are reaching out to the right people who know
[1:10:42] Speaker 11: how to serve like these very like I don't want
[1:10:44] Speaker 11: to say niche because cozy games aren't really niche, but
[1:10:46] Speaker 11: like it's a specific category of games, and I'm really
[1:10:50] Speaker 11: happy that that representation exists.
[1:10:52] Speaker 10: It'd be funny if cozy Gabe havoted to like Doom.
[1:10:55] Speaker 12: Yeah, I mean that was.
[1:10:57] Speaker 4: I remember when h is at the Saw game right now.
[1:11:01] Speaker 11: When Silent Hill came out because like f because it
[1:11:03] Speaker 11: had uh I guess like it had it had sexy
[1:11:06] Speaker 11: fox guy.
[1:11:07] Speaker 12: And it also.
[1:11:09] Speaker 11: Was just like more more focused on like feminism. I
[1:11:12] Speaker 11: saw a lot more like cozy gamers and like like
[1:11:15] Speaker 11: female streamers and stuff like that who don't typically play
[1:11:18] Speaker 11: horror start playing that game.
[1:11:19] Speaker 3: I was like, fuck, we can bleep it.
[1:11:24] Speaker 12: And I was like, yeah.
[1:11:26] Speaker 10: Antony used to get very mad at me because I would,
[1:11:27] Speaker 10: like you, like, I knew we're not supposed to curse,
[1:11:30] Speaker 10: but it was gonna happen.
[1:11:31] Speaker 3: Yeah, We're we're technically supposed to keep it within bounds,
[1:11:34] Speaker 3: so but you know you can't control it.
[1:11:36] Speaker 2: You guys get one.
[1:11:38] Speaker 10: Have you guys talked about the Saw robot?
[1:11:41] Speaker 3: Yes, yeah we have not. So the last segment we
[1:11:44] Speaker 3: had on with the wonderful John Carson, Males of Benza
[1:11:47] Speaker 3: and Jason Tryer all fantastic, we kind of talked more
[1:11:50] Speaker 3: broadly about where Summer Game fit Fest fits within the
[1:11:53] Speaker 3: industry and how, you know, does it reflect the industry
[1:11:56] Speaker 3: back at itself? And those are all great, like heady
[1:11:59] Speaker 3: philosophic topics, but we only talked about the fact that
[1:12:01] Speaker 3: there was a tiny jigsaw riding around on a bike. Yeah,
[1:12:06] Speaker 3: like about gag Yeah yeah yeah, riding around on a
[1:12:10] Speaker 3: bike with no explanation. And my first inclination that I
[1:12:15] Speaker 3: legitimately did have to hold myself back from was field
[1:12:18] Speaker 3: goal kicking. That thing is through the goalposts of heaven.
[1:12:22] Speaker 3: I strongly disliked that puppet. Yeah, I don't.
[1:12:25] Speaker 10: I don't like it. It's creepy looking. We did feed
[1:12:28] Speaker 10: it a cookie.
[1:12:28] Speaker 2: At one point.
[1:12:29] Speaker 3: We feded a cookie.
[1:12:30] Speaker 10: Yes, we have it on video.
[1:12:31] Speaker 2: We fedded a cookie.
[1:12:32] Speaker 3: Where where does the cookie go? It the mouth opens, So, okay,
[1:12:39] Speaker 3: this is maybe not the thing I'm asking that. How
[1:12:42] Speaker 3: does it process the cookie?
[1:12:44] Speaker 10: It could really just drop it out.
[1:12:46] Speaker 4: To be fair, the humans couldn't process the cookie either,
[1:12:48] Speaker 4: because the cookie was like not, there's something wrong with it.
[1:12:50] Speaker 4: It was like spongy and like it could bend in
[1:12:54] Speaker 4: a way that cookies shouldn't be able to roll about.
[1:12:56] Speaker 4: Put the cookie in the mouth and like closed, and
[1:12:58] Speaker 4: the kokie did not break. That should tell you what
[1:13:00] Speaker 4: the texture, okay, and then it ran over the cookie
[1:13:02] Speaker 4: with the tricycle and it also didn't break.
[1:13:04] Speaker 11: You know what those reminds me of you know, those
[1:13:05] Speaker 11: like hydraulic press video. Yes, yes, okay, so there is
[1:13:08] Speaker 11: a person.
[1:13:09] Speaker 12: Now what's funny.
[1:13:10] Speaker 11: I've only seen a couple of them, but they're starting
[1:13:11] Speaker 11: to pop up on Instagram and it's like a pair
[1:13:14] Speaker 11: of like fake teeth and like a hydraulic thing, and
[1:13:16] Speaker 11: it's like biting into things that you wish you could
[1:13:18] Speaker 11: bite into. Like the first one was like a hornet's nest,
[1:13:22] Speaker 11: and then somebody did like a candle, and then chaps
[1:13:24] Speaker 11: and so like I've seen all of these videos and
[1:13:26] Speaker 11: I'm like, that sounds It's like shit just goes everywhere.
[1:13:29] Speaker 11: It looks deeply unpleasant. But that's that's kind of.
[1:13:32] Speaker 10: What this agree with Chapstick and like, what was the
[1:13:35] Speaker 10: other thing?
[1:13:35] Speaker 5: A candle?
[1:13:36] Speaker 2: A candle?
[1:13:40] Speaker 3: It wasn't good.
[1:13:41] Speaker 9: It wasn't good.
[1:13:41] Speaker 3: It's terrible. I understand the drive. Yeah, okay, Jesse knows this.
[1:13:47] Speaker 3: Aboucon we talked about it, We talked about the showcase. Yeah.
[1:13:51] Speaker 3: I have a weird thing where sometimes I see something
[1:13:53] Speaker 3: in a video game and I'm like I just kind
[1:13:55] Speaker 3: of want to eat it, like just about wild. No, wait,
[1:13:58] Speaker 3: what's in Breath of the Water. You can't like you can't.
[1:14:00] Speaker 10: Use those its ingredients like not hornets and specifically like
[1:14:04] Speaker 10: a lobster claws and like there's like a wasp nest looking.
[1:14:07] Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I know this is this is about me
[1:14:09] Speaker 3: playing Final Fantasy fourteen and wanting to see what the
[1:14:12] Speaker 3: like ether rightes taste like because they look like giant
[1:14:16] Speaker 3: pieces of rock candy. And then we saw Gotta War
[1:14:18] Speaker 3: Laufe at this at the state of play, and I
[1:14:23] Speaker 3: want to eat I want to eat the cube, like
[1:14:25] Speaker 3: not eat the cube, not wholly eat.
[1:14:26] Speaker 10: The cube, but like the corner yeah yeah, yeah, and like.
[1:14:30] Speaker 3: Not pull a corner like I do. Kind of want
[1:14:32] Speaker 3: to bite it, like I want to leave like a
[1:14:33] Speaker 3: cartoon bite in the corner. There's something about it.
[1:14:37] Speaker 10: If if Jeff Keeley put a chocolate statue of something
[1:14:41] Speaker 10: in Semer Games Fest, how long do you think it
[1:14:43] Speaker 10: would go before somebody bit it?
[1:14:45] Speaker 3: I would bite it on site.
[1:14:50] Speaker 1: Wine one.
[1:14:52] Speaker 3: I used to literally do not think I have the
[1:14:55] Speaker 3: self control to.
[1:14:56] Speaker 11: Not do Okay, this this is a really good question, though,
[1:15:00] Speaker 11: What does everybody think the cube from Laufe taste?
[1:15:02] Speaker 3: Like?
[1:15:03] Speaker 4: We actually discussed this check we asked question.
[1:15:05] Speaker 3: This is a good question, I say, I said, cucumber
[1:15:08] Speaker 3: lime gatorade. Oh that was my immediate takeaway.
[1:15:12] Speaker 10: It's kind of like these bubble like they're stars or something, right,
[1:15:15] Speaker 10: but like it has a fizzy look to it, So
[1:15:17] Speaker 10: I feel like it would taste like sprite.
[1:15:19] Speaker 3: Oh yeah, like it would have kind of a Seltzery
[1:15:21] Speaker 3: type taste to it, like there'd be some carbonation inside.
[1:15:24] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[1:15:24] Speaker 4: I feel like it's like an ocean, like a sea
[1:15:27] Speaker 4: salt or like some sort of it's the word I'm
[1:15:30] Speaker 4: looking for. I don't know. I went blue raspberry originally,
[1:15:32] Speaker 4: but then I kind of moved into the sort of
[1:15:34] Speaker 4: ocean vibe, of some sort of sea salt coconut type vibe.
[1:15:39] Speaker 11: I I picture like if you had that what's the
[1:15:42] Speaker 11: light blue gatorade like our Glacier freez Glacier if you.
[1:15:45] Speaker 12: Had like jello of that, That's what I'm feeling. That's
[1:15:49] Speaker 12: the vibe.
[1:15:50] Speaker 4: I guess wait, can you Sorry this is a little
[1:15:51] Speaker 4: off topic, but to point to piggyback off of Glacier Freeze,
[1:15:55] Speaker 4: could you not just freeze gatorade like Glacier Freeze Gatorade.
[1:15:57] Speaker 3: And ice cube freeze Gatorade And then just like what
[1:16:00] Speaker 3: I should freezepops. You can make popsicles for sure.
[1:16:03] Speaker 10: Yeah.
[1:16:03] Speaker 4: No, I want to make ice cubes so like put
[1:16:04] Speaker 4: them in my other drinks.
[1:16:05] Speaker 3: Oh. Absolutely, there's nothing sotobbing you from freezing things up.
[1:16:11] Speaker 10: For Jeff, this is like bad for everybody.
[1:16:14] Speaker 3: Actually, you actually definitely got a ninja creamy if I remember.
[1:16:18] Speaker 1: Yeah, I've been using that.
[1:16:20] Speaker 3: What has the tech been for the creamy tech?
[1:16:22] Speaker 4: The text for the creamy is almond milk, bunk fruit
[1:16:25] Speaker 4: sweetener xanthum gum, which I've been playing around with. That that
[1:16:29] Speaker 4: stuffs dangerous, be very careful, makes everything very sticky, a
[1:16:33] Speaker 4: crushed oreo, and then you jam it in the ninja
[1:16:37] Speaker 4: creamy and it like spins it all up. You have
[1:16:39] Speaker 4: to freeze it for like twenty four hours and then
[1:16:41] Speaker 4: it makes you ice cream that's like one hundred calories.
[1:16:42] Speaker 6: It's crazy.
[1:16:44] Speaker 4: But I keep messing it up and it becomes it
[1:16:45] Speaker 4: comes out like uh, shaved ice.
[1:16:48] Speaker 6: So I gotta figure out what I'm doing wrong.
[1:16:49] Speaker 11: I do you want me to tell you what I
[1:16:51] Speaker 11: suspect what almond milk? Almond milk is like, have you
[1:16:55] Speaker 11: tried a different type of milk?
[1:16:56] Speaker 1: No?
[1:16:57] Speaker 11: It separates a lot and it just kind of freeze.
[1:17:00] Speaker 11: Doesn't get like that, like that chippy frost bitten type.
[1:17:03] Speaker 12: That can be almond milk. That would be my suggestion.
[1:17:07] Speaker 4: Maybe.
[1:17:07] Speaker 12: I oh, I was gonna.
[1:17:08] Speaker 9: Say oat milk.
[1:17:09] Speaker 3: I mean I could go to Whole Milk.
[1:17:10] Speaker 2: I just I'm milk I've had was in the in
[1:17:13] Speaker 2: the fringe.
[1:17:13] Speaker 6: It's gonna go bad.
[1:17:14] Speaker 3: You know what else doesn't go bad is video games
[1:17:18] Speaker 3: at summer games.
[1:17:19] Speaker 10: Many of them do anina.
[1:17:22] Speaker 9: I know this was an ice cream fun I took
[1:17:25] Speaker 9: the reins and have a transition.
[1:17:27] Speaker 10: There's a but does the like ice cream? There is
[1:17:30] Speaker 10: his name, but does the soft serve? And I was like,
[1:17:32] Speaker 10: that's a pretty goods good.
[1:17:36] Speaker 3: I feel like I never eat at Summer Game Fest.
[1:17:38] Speaker 3: There is food at Summer Game Fest for those who
[1:17:40] Speaker 3: have wondered, uh, there are food trucks even, but I
[1:17:44] Speaker 3: feel like I never go over there because I never
[1:17:47] Speaker 3: have time to. It's it's so far away at the
[1:17:49] Speaker 3: end of campus. And they did have I had Barbie
[1:17:52] Speaker 3: lemonade today and that was pretty good, But otherwise I
[1:17:54] Speaker 3: just haven't been over there at all.
[1:17:55] Speaker 11: The best thing that they ever had was one year
[1:17:58] Speaker 11: they had like you know those Yankee Sonic that the
[1:18:03] Speaker 11: ones like the green like like they had those and
[1:18:06] Speaker 11: that was wonderful.
[1:18:07] Speaker 3: I never had one before that bone, Yeah, it was.
[1:18:10] Speaker 3: It was pretty magical. Yea, what is a Barbie lemonade?
[1:18:12] Speaker 3: It's it's just lemonade?
[1:18:13] Speaker 2: Is it lemonade?
[1:18:15] Speaker 3: No, this was This was just lemonade, straight lemonade. They
[1:18:19] Speaker 3: just it might have been like it was supposed to
[1:18:22] Speaker 3: be bank. I feel like it might have been like
[1:18:23] Speaker 3: supposed to be bank, but I think they were just
[1:18:25] Speaker 3: they just gave me a glass of lemonade and then
[1:18:27] Speaker 3: told me that there's a new Barbie game coming up.
[1:18:29] Speaker 10: But walked by the like twenty year old girls that
[1:18:32] Speaker 10: are like staffing that booth. We're like, great shirt. I'm like,
[1:18:36] Speaker 10: this reference is so much older.
[1:18:40] Speaker 11: It's so funny though, that because some of the stuff
[1:18:42] Speaker 11: that is there is literally just like normal thing with
[1:18:45] Speaker 11: branding attached to it. There's a whole coffee shop, and
[1:18:47] Speaker 11: the coffee shop is actually really good. The on site
[1:18:50] Speaker 11: coffee shop, it's so good every year like they nail it.
[1:18:52] Speaker 11: But this year it was sponsored by Warframe and Soul
[1:18:55] Speaker 11: Frame and so all of the names of every it
[1:18:57] Speaker 11: was just like the likest Momo sci Fi and so
[1:19:02] Speaker 11: I would go up there and I'm like, I just
[1:19:04] Speaker 11: want a chi with Oatmelk and like I got you.
[1:19:06] Speaker 12: I understand, I got you.
[1:19:08] Speaker 3: Every morning I've walked in there and just been like,
[1:19:10] Speaker 3: I like a dirty chie, please, we got you?
[1:19:12] Speaker 2: Okay?
[1:19:13] Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I've been on the chie like that.
[1:19:16] Speaker 12: Let's fay it. I literally got a dirty hie today.
[1:19:18] Speaker 3: It's so good, it's excellent.
[1:19:19] Speaker 10: I'm glad I dragged us back to food.
[1:19:21] Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, you know what else is good?
[1:19:24] Speaker 2: Whatever?
[1:19:24] Speaker 3: Jesse Vittelli has been playing lately? What have you been
[1:19:26] Speaker 3: enjoying at SGF? Oh?
[1:19:28] Speaker 4: I feel like I have played nothing, which is untrue.
[1:19:30] Speaker 4: I've played a lot. The thing I've been thinking about
[1:19:32] Speaker 4: the most though, is Clutch, the racing game from Maverick Games,
[1:19:36] Speaker 4: the one that ends with you shooting like a harpoon
[1:19:38] Speaker 4: through a helicopter. That game's cool. I saw like an
[1:19:41] Speaker 4: hour presentation of it in the hottest room in the
[1:19:43] Speaker 4: entire world. But it was the game was cool enough
[1:19:47] Speaker 4: to keep me cool, you know what I'm saying. And
[1:19:49] Speaker 4: so what's really neat about it is it's exports Horizon
[1:19:52] Speaker 4: devs who are making a game and they're like, what
[1:19:55] Speaker 4: if we made Forts the Horizon better. And I mean
[1:19:58] Speaker 4: that like sincerely, because I just reviewed Forts Horizon six
[1:20:01] Speaker 4: whatever a couple of months ago, right or a month
[1:20:03] Speaker 4: ago when however, time doesn't matter. And my problem is
[1:20:06] Speaker 4: I think we've butt like up against how much you
[1:20:10] Speaker 4: can interact with an open world through a car, like
[1:20:13] Speaker 4: you we do the Barn Finds, you jump off a cliff,
[1:20:15] Speaker 4: you drive a car, right, this game is like what
[1:20:17] Speaker 4: if you did that but you had an oil slick
[1:20:19] Speaker 4: you could like sprat behind you, or a grappling hook,
[1:20:21] Speaker 4: so a jet booster, Batman.
[1:20:23] Speaker 10: What if you were like, what if you had the
[1:20:25] Speaker 10: James Bond car and you could do cool?
[1:20:26] Speaker 1: What was that?
[1:20:27] Speaker 2: Game?
[1:20:27] Speaker 3: Is like Spy Hunt or something? Yeah? Yeah, is it
[1:20:31] Speaker 3: kind of like that? I mean nobody else has played
[1:20:32] Speaker 3: Spy Hunter for the game cube.
[1:20:35] Speaker 10: Spying Over for the game a reboot of the original Spy.
[1:20:38] Speaker 4: Inter Clutch is really interesting because it has all this
[1:20:41] Speaker 4: like weird tech that makes the cars like really fun
[1:20:42] Speaker 4: to play, but it also drives like Forts the Horizon,
[1:20:45] Speaker 4: and it has he's even got like the drive line
[1:20:47] Speaker 4: and all this stuff. But it's a narrative driven game,
[1:20:50] Speaker 4: so there's like there are characters in this world that
[1:20:53] Speaker 4: you know, tragedy befalls them when one of their racing
[1:20:56] Speaker 4: comebah whatever whenever their racers dies, gets explosion in a
[1:21:01] Speaker 4: race or whatever.
[1:21:02] Speaker 3: And then they're like, we gotta get revenge.
[1:21:03] Speaker 6: We got to find out what happened to them.
[1:21:05] Speaker 4: And then now you're just like driving and you're like
[1:21:07] Speaker 4: walking into people's houses. You get to get out of
[1:21:08] Speaker 4: the car in certain areas and like explore this person's
[1:21:11] Speaker 4: like apartment, and then you steal their car and drive
[1:21:13] Speaker 4: it off a cliff and then shoot at harpoon through
[1:21:15] Speaker 4: a helicopter.
[1:21:16] Speaker 11: This game is crazy, Like, okay, outside of Diddy Kong racing,
[1:21:19] Speaker 11: I really don't care about racing game.
[1:21:21] Speaker 2: Oh this is cool.
[1:21:22] Speaker 12: I hear that, and I'm like, you know what I'm in.
[1:21:25] Speaker 3: I do want to steal a car.
[1:21:27] Speaker 4: It's really interesting because they have this two split where
[1:21:30] Speaker 4: it's like at night you do street races and you
[1:21:33] Speaker 4: do it for your like Instagram followers, and you have
[1:21:35] Speaker 4: this chat that's like asking you to do things, and
[1:21:37] Speaker 4: you're doing things while you're racing for like donations and stuff,
[1:21:40] Speaker 4: and then during the day it's you're doing like more
[1:21:43] Speaker 4: normal sort of like professional races and it all takes
[1:21:46] Speaker 4: place in Monaco, and so you're you're just driving around,
[1:21:49] Speaker 4: you know whatever, the south of France chilling.
[1:21:51] Speaker 3: I mean this genuinely. Are there actual live streams out
[1:21:56] Speaker 3: there that are like that of people doing illegal street
[1:21:59] Speaker 3: races on things?
[1:22:00] Speaker 12: I bet you there are, though.
[1:22:02] Speaker 1: There are probably.
[1:22:04] Speaker 3: I know what's doing tonight.
[1:22:06] Speaker 11: Because like I feel like the racing community, not that
[1:22:10] Speaker 11: I'm at all adjacent to it, but like I just like,
[1:22:13] Speaker 11: like guys I know who are really into like cars
[1:22:15] Speaker 11: and racing, they're really into it.
[1:22:17] Speaker 12: Like I guarantee you they're watching some sort of stream.
[1:22:19] Speaker 3: Okay, it's got to exist, all right, Well, we'll look
[1:22:22] Speaker 3: up those streams later. Imron, what have you been enjoying? Uh?
[1:22:26] Speaker 10: Earlier today? I'm talking about Ellice that I played today,
[1:22:29] Speaker 10: Both of them are. I just finished Stranger than Heaven
[1:22:32] Speaker 10: that demo.
[1:22:33] Speaker 3: You finished Stranger finished that game?
[1:22:35] Speaker 10: It was a real long demo that I played today,
[1:22:39] Speaker 10: A real short game. Yeah, that's rgg's new game. Where
[1:22:45] Speaker 10: they are I would say, stepping on some rakes here
[1:22:48] Speaker 10: and there, but like the not in the last chaniel
[1:22:52] Speaker 10: or the like the big trailer they came out of
[1:22:54] Speaker 10: a couple of months ago with at the like Xbox
[1:22:57] Speaker 10: presents whatever that I think. I looked at that, I said, Okay,
[1:23:00] Speaker 10: they are going for a generational leap in their yakaza ideas,
[1:23:03] Speaker 10: and they are. That ambition is certainly there. Whether it
[1:23:08] Speaker 10: succeeds for you, I think is going to really depend
[1:23:10] Speaker 10: on the type of person you are. I was talking
[1:23:12] Speaker 10: to a mutual friend of ours who did not like it.
[1:23:14] Speaker 10: They were a big yak as a fan, but they
[1:23:16] Speaker 10: were not feeling this. I feel differently. I think it
[1:23:19] Speaker 10: actually works pretty well. It is their attempt at turning
[1:23:23] Speaker 10: yakaza into a kind of a soul's like. In terms
[1:23:27] Speaker 10: of combat, this demo is purely combat. For the record,
[1:23:30] Speaker 10: I did not get to walk around or do stories
[1:23:32] Speaker 10: over now on that. So like it is a if
[1:23:36] Speaker 10: you are surrounded by four people, you will probably get
[1:23:39] Speaker 10: kit like the crap beating out of you. But you
[1:23:43] Speaker 10: have your right arm and your left arm and they
[1:23:46] Speaker 10: are on the shoulder, buttons of triggers, and so if
[1:23:49] Speaker 10: like a guy grabs your right arm, what do you do.
[1:23:51] Speaker 10: You start trying to punch him with your left arm,
[1:23:53] Speaker 10: or you're trying to punch the guy next to him
[1:23:55] Speaker 10: with your left arm, or if you are trying to
[1:23:58] Speaker 10: like alternate your fists up to get better combos, or
[1:24:01] Speaker 10: one as a weapon, so like you should make sure
[1:24:03] Speaker 10: that the weben arm is the one that you're blocking with.
[1:24:06] Speaker 3: We had Carson on here earlier talking about it, and
[1:24:09] Speaker 3: it reminded me I mentioned tech in at the time,
[1:24:11] Speaker 3: that that's kind of the same philosophy tech And takes
[1:24:14] Speaker 3: with its buttons. Also, I just remember now Absolver, if
[1:24:18] Speaker 3: you're yes, had a very similar idea. But that is,
[1:24:22] Speaker 3: you know, Yakuza a game that is a little bit
[1:24:25] Speaker 3: more known for your standard like third person action brawler
[1:24:29] Speaker 3: set up, and even at that a little bit more
[1:24:32] Speaker 3: spectacle than challenge, and this one, is it leaning more
[1:24:35] Speaker 3: towards that challenge side and like trying to push you
[1:24:37] Speaker 3: a little bit more.
[1:24:38] Speaker 10: I think it's definitely trying to. Like, So the way
[1:24:41] Speaker 10: that demo was set up is they put you at
[1:24:42] Speaker 10: a beginner phase, then you beat that, and you go
[1:24:45] Speaker 10: to like a more intermediate one and you beat that.
[1:24:47] Speaker 10: They go essentially what is a demo version of a
[1:24:49] Speaker 10: super boss? And they like, I don't know how many
[1:24:53] Speaker 10: people in that demo station beat that, but I didn't
[1:24:55] Speaker 10: know I had a crowd around me. That went from
[1:24:57] Speaker 10: enthusiasm that I kept losing to pity and that does
[1:25:01] Speaker 10: never feels good. But I did eventually beat that thing,
[1:25:04] Speaker 10: And yeah, I can see if they go more that direction,
[1:25:08] Speaker 10: that that is the like they are trying to hit
[1:25:11] Speaker 10: a challenge thing they are trying to be at zo.
[1:25:13] Speaker 10: You will get better at this game and you will
[1:25:16] Speaker 10: like understand the boss's timing and you will understand what
[1:25:19] Speaker 10: moves are doing. So this buzz in particular, had a
[1:25:22] Speaker 10: thing where if they kneel down and they will either
[1:25:27] Speaker 10: like attack you if you are trying to attack them,
[1:25:29] Speaker 10: drink sake and cover their health, or they will run
[1:25:32] Speaker 10: at you and like kill you in one hit. The
[1:25:35] Speaker 10: killing made one hit thing happened to me several times.
[1:25:39] Speaker 10: But like it. As I was playing, I just learned
[1:25:42] Speaker 10: more and more of him doing that one time he
[1:25:44] Speaker 10: needed to be in a condent or in a combo.
[1:25:46] Speaker 10: And like even the reps around like wow, I've never
[1:25:49] Speaker 10: seen that before, Like great, fantastic, awesome.
[1:25:52] Speaker 11: Favorite things when you're previewing something like wow, I've never
[1:25:54] Speaker 11: seen that before.
[1:25:55] Speaker 12: Awesome, that's great.
[1:25:58] Speaker 3: Sometimes it's just good I've never seen before. Sometimes it's
[1:26:00] Speaker 3: a bad. I've never seen that before. It's a uh oh, But.
[1:26:05] Speaker 10: Honestly, it's really interesting if, like the if the story
[1:26:10] Speaker 10: can keep up with what they're trying to do with
[1:26:12] Speaker 10: the combat, I think that's going to be an interesting game.
[1:26:16] Speaker 10: Obviously there are other aspects of that game that are disagreeable,
[1:26:20] Speaker 10: but well, we'll see what happens when that game actually
[1:26:23] Speaker 10: comes out.
[1:26:23] Speaker 3: I sum we'll see whether we will hit him up,
[1:26:25] Speaker 3: hit them up or not. Yeah, Jess, how about you?
[1:26:30] Speaker 9: Yeah?
[1:26:30] Speaker 11: So I guess you know. One that I would want
[1:26:33] Speaker 11: to talk about today. The one that I saw this
[1:26:35] Speaker 11: morning that stood out to me is Silent Hill Town Fall.
[1:26:38] Speaker 12: Did anybody else see it?
[1:26:39] Speaker 3: I really wanted to.
[1:26:42] Speaker 12: It's so okay.
[1:26:42] Speaker 11: This was it was all hands off and it was
[1:26:44] Speaker 11: only about fifteen minutes or so of actual like gameplay.
[1:26:49] Speaker 11: It's first person, which is a first for the series.
[1:26:53] Speaker 11: So if you're looking for like something to like scratch
[1:26:57] Speaker 11: the pt itch that we were hoping would one day
[1:27:00] Speaker 11: be scratched, this is probably it. And because it's in
[1:27:03] Speaker 11: first person, I feel like it's very eerily grounded, like
[1:27:09] Speaker 11: when you're walking through some of the houses like it.
[1:27:10] Speaker 11: It feels very very very real and.
[1:27:16] Speaker 12: I don't know's it's.
[1:27:17] Speaker 11: I'm excited for it, Like I think that based off
[1:27:20] Speaker 11: of what I've seen, it looks like it might be
[1:27:22] Speaker 11: the scariest one, which makes me a little nervous because
[1:27:24] Speaker 11: I'm kind of a baby sometimes. But it's the atmosphere
[1:27:29] Speaker 11: and what's going on with it is interesting enough to
[1:27:31] Speaker 11: where I'm like, I gotta I gotta be brave.
[1:27:33] Speaker 3: What sets it apart as like a Silent Hill game,
[1:27:36] Speaker 3: because I feel like Silent Hill you had kind of
[1:27:37] Speaker 3: the continuity for a long time of the mainline games.
[1:27:41] Speaker 3: Now there's been a lot of branching off with Silent
[1:27:43] Speaker 3: Hill F and now Soilent Hill Town Fall. What is
[1:27:45] Speaker 3: the sort of like not gimmick but like thing that
[1:27:47] Speaker 3: this one does that makes it its own Silent Hill game.
[1:27:50] Speaker 11: So I think it's hard to tell right now because
[1:27:52] Speaker 11: I think what they are going for with like the
[1:27:53] Speaker 11: defining thing that makes Silent Hill a Silent Hill game
[1:27:57] Speaker 11: is just this element of being trapped in a prison
[1:28:02] Speaker 11: of your own making, like that is kind of like
[1:28:04] Speaker 11: the true Silent ill It is whether it's guilt, whether
[1:28:08] Speaker 11: it's like in Silent Hill F, like her whole thing
[1:28:10] Speaker 11: is being a woman who is trapped between wanting independence
[1:28:16] Speaker 11: and wanting to adhere to societal norms and like kind
[1:28:19] Speaker 11: of essentially like losing her mind because of it. And
[1:28:23] Speaker 11: so a lot of it is whether it's something like
[1:28:26] Speaker 11: James and Silent Hill too, where like he was.
[1:28:28] Speaker 12: A person who did something pretty fuck.
[1:28:31] Speaker 11: I can't say this where you know, like James, where
[1:28:33] Speaker 11: it's like he was the person who who did something
[1:28:36] Speaker 11: that was.
[1:28:37] Speaker 3: Not good next to you and I'm a mom. I'm
[1:28:43] Speaker 3: a mom.
[1:28:44] Speaker 12: I'm not supposed to be, but I like.
[1:28:45] Speaker 10: I haven't I heard a kid cursed before, and it
[1:28:48] Speaker 10: is very funny.
[1:28:50] Speaker 11: Ye that sounds right, especially God, I need to work
[1:28:54] Speaker 11: on maybe a genius swear jar. But no, it's like,
[1:28:56] Speaker 11: so you have you know, like James, who it's of
[1:29:00] Speaker 11: his own volition, and then you have Hinko who's kind
[1:29:03] Speaker 11: of forced by society. And in this one we don't
[1:29:06] Speaker 11: know what it is yet. The main character's name is Simon.
[1:29:08] Speaker 11: He's very meek and something that I like that they're doing.
[1:29:13] Speaker 11: Is a lot of times, and especially in horror games,
[1:29:15] Speaker 11: it can be really weird when you have a protagonist who,
[1:29:17] Speaker 11: like you're trying to be stealthy. You don't want to
[1:29:20] Speaker 11: be heard by something that's going to instantly kill you,
[1:29:22] Speaker 11: and then like they do something, you're like, oh that
[1:29:24] Speaker 11: was rough, you know, and it's like, well, like what
[1:29:26] Speaker 11: you why are you talking to yourself? So instead of
[1:29:28] Speaker 11: talking to himself because he is a quiet, reserved kind
[1:29:30] Speaker 11: of guy, there's just like little texts that pops up
[1:29:33] Speaker 11: on the side like every so often. It's like an
[1:29:35] Speaker 11: internal monologue. You know, it'll be like, oh, like you know,
[1:29:37] Speaker 11: I don't know what like what this does, and it
[1:29:40] Speaker 11: kind of serves as a way to where you're not
[1:29:42] Speaker 11: just getting like an annoying, like new objective pop up,
[1:29:44] Speaker 11: but you're also not getting like the chatty protagonist and
[1:29:47] Speaker 11: a like that doesn't make sense.
[1:29:48] Speaker 12: So I feel like they are.
[1:29:51] Speaker 11: I don't know, they're they're sticking to what's making all
[1:29:54] Speaker 11: of the recent Silent Hill games like really good, because
[1:29:57] Speaker 11: I mean too remake phenomenal, f phenomenal. They are on
[1:30:00] Speaker 11: kind of a role right now, and I think this
[1:30:02] Speaker 11: one looks really different from both of those, which they
[1:30:07] Speaker 11: were distinct from one another too, but they're still doing
[1:30:09] Speaker 11: something that like works with what they're doing with the
[1:30:12] Speaker 11: series and seems interesting.
[1:30:14] Speaker 3: Interesting. Yeah, I Silent Hill really seems like it has
[1:30:17] Speaker 3: found a second win. I mean, Konami in general seems
[1:30:19] Speaker 3: to have suddenly found a second wind of we're going
[1:30:22] Speaker 3: to get some of these series back to where they
[1:30:24] Speaker 3: used to be. We're going to stop letting them you know,
[1:30:28] Speaker 3: my round and nothing. And it's been kind of interesting.
[1:30:31] Speaker 10: Yeah, Castloveedia was like the most exciting thing I saw today. Yeah, yeah,
[1:30:34] Speaker 10: I don't want to play that game. But also it's like,
[1:30:36] Speaker 10: if you told me five years ago Stalin Hill is
[1:30:38] Speaker 10: going to become Yearly and they're all going to be good,
[1:30:41] Speaker 10: you'll be like you're insane.
[1:30:43] Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, Well it's.
[1:30:44] Speaker 11: So this is kind of like a funny, cool story
[1:30:46] Speaker 11: because it was one of the first times where I
[1:30:48] Speaker 11: went to an event and I was I was like
[1:30:49] Speaker 11: having a conversation with developers that felt like really cool,
[1:30:54] Speaker 11: you know what I mean.
[1:30:55] Speaker 12: Like it's not nothing like that.
[1:30:56] Speaker 11: It's like that they're all great conversations, but I was like,
[1:30:59] Speaker 11: I feel like I I'm like in it right now,
[1:31:01] Speaker 11: and it's I went to Konami. I've been to the there,
[1:31:06] Speaker 11: like gone to Japan and seen the last couple of years.
[1:31:08] Speaker 11: So I saw them for Silent Hell too. I saw
[1:31:10] Speaker 11: them for Silent Hell f and we've gotten to know
[1:31:12] Speaker 11: each other a little bit more. But I remember the
[1:31:14] Speaker 11: first time that I was out there, they were like,
[1:31:16] Speaker 11: so we look at Capcom and they even brought up Capcom.
[1:31:19] Speaker 11: They're like, we look at Capcom and we look at
[1:31:20] Speaker 11: Resident Evil, and like, you guys are really loving this
[1:31:23] Speaker 11: in America, like.
[1:31:24] Speaker 12: You're loving what they're doing.
[1:31:25] Speaker 11: It seems like they're doing everything right, like they're and
[1:31:27] Speaker 11: I like, I think I even said, like they're going
[1:31:29] Speaker 11: through like a bit of like a like a renaissance
[1:31:30] Speaker 11: right now, and they're like, that's what we want to capture.
[1:31:33] Speaker 12: Like they even said that. They're like that is like
[1:31:35] Speaker 12: like we have And I even.
[1:31:36] Speaker 11: Told them Tom, like, you guys have so many good
[1:31:38] Speaker 11: like franchises, like you you truly do in like the
[1:31:40] Speaker 11: least like cynical corporate way, but like you have so
[1:31:43] Speaker 11: many series that people deeply care about, and so I
[1:31:46] Speaker 11: think that all you really have to do is invest
[1:31:48] Speaker 11: in those rather than Pachinko idiots, and like you've you've
[1:31:51] Speaker 11: probably got some winners, right, And I think that like
[1:31:54] Speaker 11: that's been their strategy, and they really are investing, particularly
[1:31:58] Speaker 11: in Silent Hill, and they've been really.
[1:31:59] Speaker 3: Good yeah, Yeah, Salinel has been really on an uptick
[1:32:04] Speaker 3: over the last few years. It's been cool to see.
[1:32:06] Speaker 3: Closing thoughts, we'll start back with you, like, where do
[1:32:10] Speaker 3: you think SGF is at, Like, do you think we're
[1:32:12] Speaker 3: at a good place with how SGF kind of fits
[1:32:14] Speaker 3: within the industry. Do you think it's kind of serving
[1:32:16] Speaker 3: the need that needs to serve?
[1:32:18] Speaker 12: Yeah, I mean I think that it.
[1:32:20] Speaker 11: It's hard because like I can really kind of only
[1:32:22] Speaker 11: speak for myself because I think that as of right now,
[1:32:27] Speaker 11: it's still it's a really great press event, you know
[1:32:30] Speaker 11: what I mean. It is not like your fan fest.
[1:32:32] Speaker 11: It is not an eth like the public E three.
[1:32:34] Speaker 9: It is not.
[1:32:35] Speaker 11: Something that like is this public like hype event that
[1:32:41] Speaker 11: feels like a real, big like celebration of video games.
[1:32:43] Speaker 11: It feels like a press event. And for someone who
[1:32:47] Speaker 11: is working in the press, it's really great for me
[1:32:50] Speaker 11: because I feel like, I it's small enough to where
[1:32:52] Speaker 11: I can get what I need to get done.
[1:32:55] Speaker 12: I wish that they had more areas to actually write.
[1:32:58] Speaker 11: That would be really I wish they had more like
[1:33:00] Speaker 11: chairs outpower in.
[1:33:02] Speaker 10: The media were which they had last year, but didn't
[1:33:06] Speaker 10: this even.
[1:33:06] Speaker 11: At the end this year, they took away all the
[1:33:08] Speaker 11: chairs and the areas with the tables to write.
[1:33:11] Speaker 3: Jeffrey Keely, if you are, if you're watching this, if
[1:33:14] Speaker 3: you're listening to this, Uh, it is kind of wild.
[1:33:17] Speaker 3: How Yeah. The media room has like no outlets in it,
[1:33:20] Speaker 3: and it's.
[1:33:21] Speaker 10: Also incredibly hot.
[1:33:22] Speaker 4: There's like no air conditioning in the back of it.
[1:33:23] Speaker 3: And the cafe for some reason has a bunch of
[1:33:26] Speaker 3: tables and no chairs.
[1:33:29] Speaker 12: And I'm glad that you.
[1:33:30] Speaker 11: Brought up like the hot thing too, because so they
[1:33:32] Speaker 11: added this year, there was an expansion. It used to
[1:33:34] Speaker 11: end there's like this this it's so inside baseball, but
[1:33:37] Speaker 11: there's like a coffee shop, and then it kind of
[1:33:38] Speaker 11: like ended right there. But now they've extended it because
[1:33:42] Speaker 11: it's growing in size, like each year it's consistently getting larger,
[1:33:45] Speaker 11: and they added like additional rooms and they have like
[1:33:47] Speaker 11: this trailer. And I was talking to some of the
[1:33:49] Speaker 11: developers that somebody like walked up to me and they're like,
[1:33:52] Speaker 11: I hate it. I hate it so much. It's so
[1:33:54] Speaker 11: hot in there. I'm dripping with sweat. It doesn't even
[1:33:56] Speaker 11: feel safe. And like also they had one of the
[1:33:58] Speaker 11: PC's crash and like somebody who was playing, could no
[1:34:02] Speaker 11: longer play because they had to restart everything because they overheated.
[1:34:04] Speaker 12: Everything was too hot in the room.
[1:34:06] Speaker 11: And he's like, yeah, like we're definitely gonna have to
[1:34:08] Speaker 11: leave feedback or something because like we can't, we can't
[1:34:10] Speaker 11: do it if it were any hotter this year, like
[1:34:12] Speaker 11: we straight up would have to be like no, like
[1:34:14] Speaker 11: we have to shut down.
[1:34:16] Speaker 3: Can I give my cynical take real quick?
[1:34:17] Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that the media lounge lash.
[1:34:20] Speaker 3: This is like real inside Baseball.
[1:34:21] Speaker 2: Sorry.
[1:34:22] Speaker 4: I think the media lounge last year was really good
[1:34:24] Speaker 4: and everybody stayed in it, and all the pictures and
[1:34:27] Speaker 4: videos from the event looked like no one was at it.
[1:34:29] Speaker 4: When you're in that main strip, it looks like just
[1:34:31] Speaker 4: an alleyway with nobody there because everybody's inside, sitting.
[1:34:33] Speaker 9: Down doing anything.
[1:34:34] Speaker 10: I think they did not want this this year.
[1:34:36] Speaker 4: I think they wanted everybody out and about and taking
[1:34:38] Speaker 4: photos so that when the drone flies over, it gets
[1:34:40] Speaker 4: the drone shot. All the people are actually outside and
[1:34:42] Speaker 4: not sitting tucked away in some media lounge writing. And
[1:34:45] Speaker 4: I think it's at odds with one another because there's
[1:34:46] Speaker 4: a creator event and there's a press event, and creators
[1:34:48] Speaker 4: are obviously out and about doing their thing, which is
[1:34:50] Speaker 4: great and super cool. I love doing that, and press
[1:34:53] Speaker 4: are trying to do their job, and there needs to
[1:34:54] Speaker 4: be a happy medium where they can sit down and
[1:34:56] Speaker 4: write for an hour or two when they need to,
[1:34:57] Speaker 4: and then they can.
[1:34:58] Speaker 7: Go out and look around and do whatever.
[1:35:00] Speaker 4: I think they maybe have swung the fence or swung
[1:35:01] Speaker 4: the needle the other way.
[1:35:02] Speaker 3: Shit.
[1:35:02] Speaker 10: But also it's a weird thing because like this SGF
[1:35:05] Speaker 10: more than like I think any in my memory, everything's
[1:35:10] Speaker 10: a bargain. Yeah, I can't write anything because like there's
[1:35:14] Speaker 10: nothing to write this week.
[1:35:15] Speaker 4: Even so all the appointments are double the length that
[1:35:17] Speaker 4: they were last year.
[1:35:18] Speaker 3: Yeah, I at at least one appointment will not be named.
[1:35:22] Speaker 3: But it was just like, you can't publish anything from this,
[1:35:25] Speaker 3: and I was like, like in perpetuity, and I was
[1:35:28] Speaker 3: like I cancel it because I was like, I why
[1:35:33] Speaker 3: would I do that. I'm here to share information about
[1:35:35] Speaker 3: video games and it's been interesting. I feel like people
[1:35:39] Speaker 3: are continuing to figure out what they get from Summer
[1:35:43] Speaker 3: Game Fest. Because Tryer was on here on the last
[1:35:46] Speaker 3: segment saying a lot of devs can still show up
[1:35:49] Speaker 3: at something like the Game Awards or Summer Game Fest
[1:35:51] Speaker 3: and have a life changing moment, have a completely like
[1:35:57] Speaker 3: career shifting moment of launching their game or their project
[1:36:01] Speaker 3: into a place where they can get their funding, they
[1:36:02] Speaker 3: can get a publisher, they get in front of the
[1:36:04] Speaker 3: public size, and all those things still exist. But Summer
[1:36:08] Speaker 3: Game Fest itself, the apparatus still feels a little strange
[1:36:11] Speaker 3: to me, like it's kind of in between two worlds.
[1:36:14] Speaker 10: I kind of wonder if, like this year is an aberration,
[1:36:17] Speaker 10: like Agta six size aberration of people just being like,
[1:36:21] Speaker 10: we know that at a certain point in the year
[1:36:24] Speaker 10: there will just be nothing else that anyone is talking about,
[1:36:26] Speaker 10: so we have to just like really play this in
[1:36:29] Speaker 10: a certain way. But also, like, I don't know, man,
[1:36:32] Speaker 10: I asked two questions about Code Veronica today, and I
[1:36:36] Speaker 10: would love to be able to like just write an
[1:36:38] Speaker 10: article about those questions, but I can't because we're all
[1:36:41] Speaker 10: waiting till Wednesday to do it. But at the Wednesday
[1:36:44] Speaker 10: that was before this airs, I guess.
[1:36:45] Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, so Wednesday two days pass, read those articles, Yeah,
[1:36:49] Speaker 3: got these articles speaking of let's run down the coush
[1:36:52] Speaker 3: one more time, Jesse, where can the folks find you?
[1:36:53] Speaker 3: And the wonderful things you do on the Internet.
[1:36:56] Speaker 4: You can find me at restart dot Run.
[1:36:58] Speaker 2: Check out.
[1:36:59] Speaker 4: Our social channels are Instagram, our tiktoks, our Blue Skies.
[1:37:02] Speaker 4: If you're still on Twitter, you can go there, Facebook
[1:37:05] Speaker 4: YouTube that might be it. I don't know for anywhere else. Oh,
[1:37:08] Speaker 4: we're on Pinterest. You can check out our pinches. I
[1:37:10] Speaker 4: don't know what goes on over there, but we have yeah,
[1:37:12] Speaker 4: you know what, low key Pinterest kind of sick.
[1:37:15] Speaker 10: We have a Spotify now do we have Spotify?
[1:37:16] Speaker 3: Oh? Yeah, that's the other thing we've been doing.
[1:37:18] Speaker 4: We've been asking a lot of our devs what song
[1:37:20] Speaker 4: is like, what's been their song of their development cycle.
[1:37:22] Speaker 3: We got a couple good answers out of that. That's
[1:37:25] Speaker 3: making an SGF playlist. That's wonderful, Amron, same for.
[1:37:28] Speaker 10: You almost everything he just said. But also if you
[1:37:32] Speaker 10: want to find me on social media, it's imoroncon dot
[1:37:34] Speaker 10: best guy on social.
[1:37:36] Speaker 3: M hm and just go.
[1:37:37] Speaker 11: But you you can find everything that I write, videos, everything, game,
[1:37:41] Speaker 11: spot everywhere, and then as far as my personal you
[1:37:44] Speaker 11: can find me at Jessic Coggs, j E.
[1:37:46] Speaker 12: S S, I c O G S.
[1:37:49] Speaker 3: And for us here at Game and four. We'll be
[1:37:50] Speaker 3: coming back in just a moment with our last segment
[1:37:53] Speaker 3: of the episode, not of the night. We're recording these
[1:37:56] Speaker 3: across two different nights, but don't go far. The GI
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[1:38:32] Speaker 1: we have our last segment of the podcast today. It's
[1:38:36] Speaker 1: been an excellent, an excellent show. It's been exciting to
[1:38:39] Speaker 1: have so many awesome guests, and we are running out
[1:38:42] Speaker 1: the show with another excellent panel of guests. Hi yah, Yeah,
[1:38:46] Speaker 1: I will start on the end. Former Game Informer now
[1:38:49] Speaker 1: Indianformer dot Com Chill Groat. Hello, Hello everybody.
[1:38:53] Speaker 5: I love that we got the blue arms just to
[1:38:56] Speaker 5: match our outfits.
[1:38:58] Speaker 13: Yes, yes, except mine because I didn't get them lujeans.
[1:39:04] Speaker 1: Blue jeans, come on, yeah, Gianna Garcia, Hello, min Max Hi.
[1:39:08] Speaker 14: Excited to be here.
[1:39:09] Speaker 1: Yeah, excited to have you. And lastly, YouTube creator.
[1:39:13] Speaker 12: Yes, lit's the last what's the last?
[1:39:15] Speaker 1: Hello? How are you?
[1:39:16] Speaker 12: YouTuber?
[1:39:17] Speaker 1: Yeah?
[1:39:18] Speaker 3: Yeah?
[1:39:19] Speaker 1: Good?
[1:39:19] Speaker 2: Good?
[1:39:20] Speaker 1: Uh so yeah, last day of SGF was today. It
[1:39:24] Speaker 1: was a pretty light day for me. It was kind
[1:39:26] Speaker 1: of awesome.
[1:39:26] Speaker 6: Yeah.
[1:39:27] Speaker 1: So I played a lot this weekend. I think Slap
[1:39:30] Speaker 1: Out of It was probably one of my highlights. I
[1:39:32] Speaker 1: was the first, the first game I played at the show,
[1:39:34] Speaker 1: and I think probably my favorite. But listen, what about you?
[1:39:38] Speaker 1: What have been some of your favorites? This is your
[1:39:40] Speaker 1: first SGF, I think you were telling me the other night.
[1:39:42] Speaker 13: Maybe, yes, this is my very first time attending. Yes, yeah,
[1:39:46] Speaker 13: there was. I think from what I heard from other people,
[1:39:49] Speaker 13: a lot more YouTuber creators type of you know people
[1:39:53] Speaker 13: like that this year, and I feel like I was
[1:39:55] Speaker 13: a part of that little wave. So I felt really
[1:39:58] Speaker 13: honored and excited to come in, show up and get
[1:40:00] Speaker 13: to play a lot of really amazing demos. One of
[1:40:03] Speaker 13: my favorite things that I played was probably Pedal Runner.
[1:40:06] Speaker 14: Yeah, Oh my gosh.
[1:40:07] Speaker 12: It was so great.
[1:40:08] Speaker 13: It was like essentially their spiel and their pitch was Pokemon.
[1:40:13] Speaker 13: But if the battles were warrior Ware mini games.
[1:40:16] Speaker 1: I love Warrio.
[1:40:17] Speaker 13: Where the second that that started happening to me, I
[1:40:21] Speaker 13: was like, whoa, Oh my gosh, this is so great
[1:40:23] Speaker 13: because I didn't know about this game before I showed up,
[1:40:26] Speaker 13: and so yeah, that was a really pleasant surprise. It
[1:40:29] Speaker 13: was actually the very first thing that I played when
[1:40:31] Speaker 13: I arrived, so the first day that was great.
[1:40:34] Speaker 5: I really wanted to get your opinion on Grave Seasons.
[1:40:37] Speaker 5: Did you get a chance?
[1:40:38] Speaker 13: Oh yes, yes, that's actually like the main reason I
[1:40:41] Speaker 13: wanted to come. I've been watching that game forever. I
[1:40:45] Speaker 13: actually I refer to your article all the time.
[1:40:48] Speaker 7: This is not a game.
[1:40:48] Speaker 13: Yeah yeah, fan growling over here, yes, but yeah, no,
[1:40:53] Speaker 13: I admire your work and I really appreciate that article
[1:40:56] Speaker 13: as well. And I just was always excited for Grape
[1:41:01] Speaker 13: Seasons because it seemed like it was doing a little
[1:41:03] Speaker 13: bit more of a transformative thing with the farming sim genre,
[1:41:07] Speaker 13: adding on the creepy horror elements and the murder mystery.
[1:41:12] Speaker 13: I have been anticipating this for years, so finally getting
[1:41:15] Speaker 13: my hands on it, I enjoyed the demo.
[1:41:17] Speaker 14: I thought it was great.
[1:41:18] Speaker 13: It's really hard to showcase a game that you have
[1:41:21] Speaker 13: to sink, you know, a good five in game days
[1:41:25] Speaker 13: to really get into the meat and potatoes and you know,
[1:41:30] Speaker 13: not getting to know the characters before the.
[1:41:33] Speaker 12: Inciting incident happens.
[1:41:35] Speaker 13: Essentially that might be yes, whatever that might be. It
[1:41:39] Speaker 13: was a little bit like, Okay, yeah, no, we're we're.
[1:41:42] Speaker 13: The purpose of this demo is to kind of just
[1:41:43] Speaker 13: get a feel of the art style and the game,
[1:41:46] Speaker 13: and you know, I think a lot of people are
[1:41:49] Speaker 13: very familiar with farming sims, but maybe aren't keeping up
[1:41:52] Speaker 13: with the genre very much.
[1:41:53] Speaker 5: I'm so ready to talk about this because I had
[1:41:56] Speaker 5: a friend at the mix. He played and he didn't
[1:42:00] Speaker 5: know what Grave Seasons was. So he's playing and he
[1:42:04] Speaker 5: was like, oh, yeah, I'm enjoying the I'm farming and
[1:42:07] Speaker 5: I'm fishing. And I'm like, oh, you don't know what's
[1:42:10] Speaker 5: about the hash. So I'm just like sitting back and
[1:42:14] Speaker 5: and kind of cackling. He's like, why are you Why
[1:42:17] Speaker 5: are you laughing like that? And then we got to
[1:42:19] Speaker 5: the I don't know if I want to spoil it,
[1:42:21] Speaker 5: but like the moment the moment, and he was WHOA, yes,
[1:42:27] Speaker 5: and I think I got it on Gama. So it's
[1:42:29] Speaker 5: going up somewhere.
[1:42:30] Speaker 13: It's so interesting and I'm excited for it because I'm
[1:42:33] Speaker 13: just looking for something fresh, you.
[1:42:35] Speaker 1: Know, totally there's this one. I get this one confused
[1:42:37] Speaker 1: with Never Way.
[1:42:38] Speaker 9: Yeah.
[1:42:39] Speaker 15: Yeah, they are like two games, like a very similar style,
[1:42:42] Speaker 15: but never Ways first person.
[1:42:43] Speaker 5: Yes, this Way is kind of more top down.
[1:42:48] Speaker 1: Okay, there's It's been interesting how there's a couple of
[1:42:51] Speaker 1: different lines. There's a couple like horror farming and games.
[1:42:53] Speaker 14: Now you might be thinking it never ends his way
[1:42:56] Speaker 14: never ended, Yeah, but mixed.
[1:42:58] Speaker 15: They're like in that cozy horror like genre, which I
[1:43:02] Speaker 15: feel like that's definitely gained a lot of popularity in
[1:43:04] Speaker 15: the last like year or so, kind of like what
[1:43:06] Speaker 15: else can we do with this formula and thinking of
[1:43:08] Speaker 15: like ways to switch it up, but you know, with
[1:43:10] Speaker 15: great Seasons. I really liked that they it's kind of
[1:43:13] Speaker 15: spliced up their demo, at least they did last year.
[1:43:14] Speaker 15: I assume it might have been the same this year,
[1:43:16] Speaker 15: kind of showing you a lot like at once and
[1:43:20] Speaker 15: not just giving you like a slice of the game.
[1:43:21] Speaker 15: I think, yeah, it's way more work for the developer.
[1:43:24] Speaker 15: But like you know, we talk about this all the
[1:43:25] Speaker 15: time on indie council, Like, there's such a benefit to
[1:43:27] Speaker 15: making like a specific build for like demo purposes because
[1:43:31] Speaker 15: you have such little time, you know, It's it's hard
[1:43:33] Speaker 15: to like get a big.
[1:43:34] Speaker 14: Sense of someone's game, especially one like that.
[1:43:36] Speaker 13: Yeah, something you kind of got to like really sit
[1:43:38] Speaker 13: down and wait for it to yea heat up a
[1:43:41] Speaker 13: little bit. It's like, how do you show this off
[1:43:43] Speaker 13: in thirty minutes?
[1:43:44] Speaker 3: I don't know.
[1:43:45] Speaker 13: Luckily, like I was already there, so hype and so excited,
[1:43:48] Speaker 13: and so just getting my hands on it for the
[1:43:50] Speaker 13: first time was really cool.
[1:43:52] Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah, speaking of the creepy cozy emergence that's coming out,
[1:43:56] Speaker 5: I played Ractored Blooms Okay, oh, I don't are really fun.
[1:43:59] Speaker 6: I don't know this one.
[1:44:01] Speaker 5: It is essentially a little creepier on the onset in
[1:44:06] Speaker 5: Grave Seasons, and it is a more naturalistic style. But
[1:44:11] Speaker 5: it is the one that I played this year at
[1:44:15] Speaker 5: Summer Game Fest. I at one point was so happy
[1:44:20] Speaker 5: to return to a creepy church because where I'd just
[1:44:23] Speaker 5: come from freaking out so bad?
[1:44:25] Speaker 1: Is this the one from the developer who made that
[1:44:28] Speaker 1: game about the Fox? Am I making any sense? From
[1:44:32] Speaker 1: like twenty seventeen, No, Okay, there was like a breakout.
[1:44:37] Speaker 1: I'm like obsessed with devlogs on YouTube, and there was
[1:44:41] Speaker 1: one of the like breakout early devlog creators. I'm blanking
[1:44:46] Speaker 1: on his name, but he released I think it was
[1:44:48] Speaker 1: called like the Last at the Last Campfire. Oh n no,
[1:44:53] Speaker 1: it's all right, just sit here and we guess I know, right.
[1:44:58] Speaker 13: Hey, yeah, all of our brains must be broken up.
[1:45:01] Speaker 1: Yeah, because there should really be a journalist in the
[1:45:03] Speaker 1: room to the other thing. Okay, but I think I
[1:45:09] Speaker 1: think they like they had gone and made like one
[1:45:12] Speaker 1: of these horror kind of farming games. But yeah, it's
[1:45:17] Speaker 1: just it's interesting to see, like you said, Janet, like
[1:45:20] Speaker 1: it's starting to evolve. I do think it's funny, how Like,
[1:45:22] Speaker 1: obviously these games have been years in development, so like
[1:45:25] Speaker 1: they all kind of came to the conclusion on their own,
[1:45:28] Speaker 1: but it's funny to see them kind of come to
[1:45:30] Speaker 1: light around a similar time. But I'm excited to see
[1:45:34] Speaker 1: how I love life Sims, you know, I I tend
[1:45:38] Speaker 1: to do more of like the enjoy the Animal Crossings
[1:45:42] Speaker 1: more than like a Stardo. I love and respect started.
[1:45:46] Speaker 1: But like I think I just like the the gameplay
[1:45:49] Speaker 1: a little bit more like an animal crossing, but it's
[1:45:52] Speaker 1: cool to see kind of a bunch of different takes
[1:45:54] Speaker 1: on it. Did any of you play a game called bub.
[1:45:58] Speaker 3: Yeah, I wanted.
[1:46:03] Speaker 2: That.
[1:46:03] Speaker 3: That is.
[1:46:05] Speaker 5: One of those games that you walk out and you're like,
[1:46:08] Speaker 5: this was a game to see. And it's got really
[1:46:11] Speaker 5: word of mouth because I think when we were going in,
[1:46:13] Speaker 5: not a lot of people like had it on their radar.
[1:46:16] Speaker 1: No, no, not at all.
[1:46:17] Speaker 5: But it is so like the story behind the developer
[1:46:22] Speaker 5: is very inspiring as well, because the developer got sick
[1:46:26] Speaker 5: while making this game and is now making it as
[1:46:31] Speaker 5: much as he can with a fumbly developer and it's
[1:46:34] Speaker 5: just a two developer team. The game itself is so.
[1:46:41] Speaker 1: Art Yeah, I mean, I mean it's like it's like
[1:46:44] Speaker 1: it seems like it's paper craft that has been stand in.
[1:46:47] Speaker 5: No, it's like every single art form you can think of.
[1:46:51] Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, rush.
[1:46:53] Speaker 5: It's got like glass. It's literally every scene is a
[1:46:58] Speaker 5: different art style and it's all really like evocative and lovely.
[1:47:03] Speaker 5: For the story. The story that we saw so far
[1:47:05] Speaker 5: in this demo was a young boy just kind of
[1:47:10] Speaker 5: narrating his early childhood.
[1:47:12] Speaker 3: Life and yeah, he makes music.
[1:47:15] Speaker 1: It seems like it's like a music studio in his basement.
[1:47:17] Speaker 5: Yeah, he's like an artist York, and he's thinking back
[1:47:20] Speaker 5: to his childhood and he's he's talking about an incident
[1:47:24] Speaker 5: where a young boy died who was in his school
[1:47:28] Speaker 5: or in his neighborhood, and then his mother realizing, oh,
[1:47:33] Speaker 5: I could lose my children at any time, and having
[1:47:37] Speaker 5: that like realization and starting to like get a stronger
[1:47:41] Speaker 5: grip on her kids because of it, and how that
[1:47:45] Speaker 5: was sort of affecting him, and just the whole time.
[1:47:48] Speaker 5: It's not like you're playing the story. It's just like
[1:47:52] Speaker 5: really lovely art evocative scenes that are like when he
[1:47:57] Speaker 5: was talking about, oh, the boy drowned.
[1:47:59] Speaker 1: And I teared up at this scene, and that that
[1:48:02] Speaker 1: that scene in that final sequence when you're like kind
[1:48:05] Speaker 1: of riding the bike and the music hits. I asked
[1:48:09] Speaker 1: the developer like if he was doing the music, because
[1:48:12] Speaker 1: I kind of got that sense. But it turns out
[1:48:14] Speaker 1: it's actually just like an indie pop artist that he
[1:48:19] Speaker 1: really loves the music of. And they have like a
[1:48:21] Speaker 1: bartering system, so the developer will make music videos for
[1:48:25] Speaker 1: the indie artist and then in exchange for using the
[1:48:29] Speaker 1: music and in their game Yeah, it was like really touching.
[1:48:33] Speaker 1: I I I it hit very hard, it was very poignant,
[1:48:38] Speaker 1: but in a total surprise, Like I just it's like
[1:48:42] Speaker 1: really nice when you there's like a gentle game experience
[1:48:46] Speaker 1: that shows like this, Yeah, because there's so much you know,
[1:48:49] Speaker 1: like I played tomb Raider and like all these like more.
[1:48:54] Speaker 2: You know, action and blood.
[1:48:56] Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, and there's like a lot of really cutesy games.
[1:48:59] Speaker 1: But then it's like it's rare and it's it's a
[1:49:01] Speaker 1: nice kind of experience when you get to like kind
[1:49:05] Speaker 1: of escape into one of these, which is it's cool.
[1:49:08] Speaker 1: But Janet, what what was your favorite game of the
[1:49:12] Speaker 1: show or one one that you want to dig into
[1:49:14] Speaker 1: you more.
[1:49:15] Speaker 15: I guess it's tough. I feel like you bringing up
[1:49:18] Speaker 15: the like Papercraft element. I do want to shout out
[1:49:20] Speaker 15: out of words because that also, which is like another
[1:49:23] Speaker 15: I mean everyone's kind of like mimicking and being inspired
[1:49:26] Speaker 15: by like so many different people. And I feel like
[1:49:28] Speaker 15: we were also seeing a lot of like handcrafted indie
[1:49:31] Speaker 15: games come out where it's like what if we were
[1:49:33] Speaker 15: like a little bit more creative with the medium and
[1:49:35] Speaker 15: did stuff like in real life and then kind of
[1:49:37] Speaker 15: scanned it in or did stop motion or whatever, so
[1:49:40] Speaker 15: like bub is in that veame of like a mixed
[1:49:42] Speaker 15: media game and out of words is like they like
[1:49:45] Speaker 15: handcraft like the creatures, and then it's all like stop
[1:49:48] Speaker 15: motion and it looks really nice and it feels.
[1:49:50] Speaker 14: Like comfortable to play.
[1:49:52] Speaker 15: The closest thing I can compare it to you, like
[1:49:54] Speaker 15: mechanically is sort of a more low key version of
[1:49:57] Speaker 15: like Unravel, which is to say, okay, it's almost more
[1:50:00] Speaker 15: of like an experiential platform er, like I don't think
[1:50:02] Speaker 15: it's going to be like pushing back a lop and
[1:50:03] Speaker 15: its co op, and it had like they shot off
[1:50:05] Speaker 15: this like really fun gravity flip mechanic where you like
[1:50:08] Speaker 15: would toss a little guy like between the two of
[1:50:10] Speaker 15: you to give each other the ability to flip, and
[1:50:13] Speaker 15: like that kind of in the sequence they showed us
[1:50:15] Speaker 15: culminated in like a moment where you're essentially flying to
[1:50:18] Speaker 15: the sky with each other by like tossing it back
[1:50:20] Speaker 15: and forth, and it's like just a really nice like
[1:50:22] Speaker 15: way of Hey, you played the level probably verbalizing things
[1:50:25] Speaker 15: to each other, and now you get to the point
[1:50:26] Speaker 15: where you can just like play, you know, whether it's
[1:50:28] Speaker 15: couch co op or online and just like get a
[1:50:31] Speaker 15: sense of the rhythm.
[1:50:32] Speaker 14: And I thought that was like really nice, really beautiful.
[1:50:34] Speaker 15: It's so tough to make a game that has like
[1:50:36] Speaker 15: a really striking art style but also like feels good
[1:50:39] Speaker 15: on the sticks. And I know sometimes people downplay like
[1:50:42] Speaker 15: the mechanics of games that are more like in that
[1:50:44] Speaker 15: artsy realm, but like it's so important to like have
[1:50:46] Speaker 15: a good walk feel and a game if your game
[1:50:48] Speaker 15: is about walking, you know, and that's hard to do.
[1:50:50] Speaker 15: And I think they like really nailed it on that.
[1:50:52] Speaker 15: So that's when I want to shut out for sure.
[1:50:55] Speaker 5: Well, I want to talk about out of word spe
[1:50:59] Speaker 5: I asked them what they made. There were like a
[1:51:01] Speaker 5: bunch of sand dooms, and I couldn't place them, Like
[1:51:04] Speaker 5: is that clay. They'd literally taken knives to books and
[1:51:08] Speaker 5: just like hit the pages down and then put sand over.
[1:51:11] Speaker 5: That's gorgeous. I love that. That was one of my
[1:51:15] Speaker 5: absolute favorite games.
[1:51:16] Speaker 1: I just imagine like some like dilapidated scanner in an
[1:51:20] Speaker 1: office that has just been like blown to bits with
[1:51:23] Speaker 1: like you know, pain and sand, and I imagine that's
[1:51:26] Speaker 1: how they get into the game. Oh, I guess they
[1:51:27] Speaker 1: could be like photography or something.
[1:51:29] Speaker 3: But yeah, it's kind.
[1:51:30] Speaker 15: Of like it's almost that they create like stages like
[1:51:32] Speaker 15: in My Life, Oh got it film, I wanted to.
[1:51:34] Speaker 5: Be just a paper copier.
[1:51:38] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[1:51:38] Speaker 15: I mean that was another one where like to their credit,
[1:51:40] Speaker 15: they like cut something very specific for like that show
[1:51:42] Speaker 15: where they're like, here's this level, here's like a later level,
[1:51:45] Speaker 15: here's a middle, and it's like you don't have to
[1:51:46] Speaker 15: show your game like chronologically, like you can show it
[1:51:49] Speaker 15: however you feel best conveyed.
[1:51:52] Speaker 14: Like what makes your game special?
[1:51:53] Speaker 15: And I you know, again, extra work, you know, extra funny,
[1:51:56] Speaker 15: extra time. But like if you can do that, like
[1:51:58] Speaker 15: it can go such a long way.
[1:51:59] Speaker 9: Yeah.
[1:52:00] Speaker 5: On the other end of games where it's not like
[1:52:05] Speaker 5: action blood sort of game, I want to shout out
[1:52:08] Speaker 5: Mister Records.
[1:52:09] Speaker 12: That was the Grandpa game. I wanted to play that.
[1:52:13] Speaker 14: Like everyone's talk about miss Records.
[1:52:15] Speaker 5: I think it was a lot of people missed out
[1:52:17] Speaker 5: on it because I missed out on I suspected it
[1:52:19] Speaker 5: was going to be in the day of the devs
[1:52:21] Speaker 5: section because it was in the day of Viv's showcase.
[1:52:26] Speaker 5: But it is so fantastic. It's got like the art
[1:52:30] Speaker 5: of the Plucky Squire. It's that kind of beautiful pop cartoon.
[1:52:36] Speaker 5: And then the gameplay is split between like it's not
[1:52:41] Speaker 5: really Guitar Hero, but like adventure Guitar Hero, I guess
[1:52:45] Speaker 5: you could say, and then store management because you're running
[1:52:50] Speaker 5: a record shop. So every record that you get for
[1:52:54] Speaker 5: the shop, you play through this like imaginary world of
[1:52:58] Speaker 5: music where everything's to the rhythm and you're like kicking
[1:53:02] Speaker 5: ghosts and jumping over things like to the beat, and
[1:53:05] Speaker 5: it's just absolutely beautiful. I'm not great at it. I'm
[1:53:09] Speaker 5: not gonna lie. So I unlocked one hard level and
[1:53:13] Speaker 5: I was like, try this, immediately died. I'm like, okay,
[1:53:16] Speaker 5: never mind.
[1:53:17] Speaker 2: Never mind, I'm going back to the easy.
[1:53:20] Speaker 5: So it is just every single song is amazing, and
[1:53:26] Speaker 5: they've got so many different songs styles as well, like
[1:53:29] Speaker 5: blues and funk and rap, and it's all just fantastic.
[1:53:33] Speaker 5: And then once you've like completed a level, you then
[1:53:36] Speaker 5: get the record to put into your store. You open
[1:53:39] Speaker 5: up in the morning, people come in and there it's
[1:53:41] Speaker 5: kind of hey, I want a game, or I want
[1:53:47] Speaker 5: to music that I remember for my childhood. It's like
[1:53:50] Speaker 5: an old woman, so you're looking for clues as to
[1:53:54] Speaker 5: what they want. So you can give it to them
[1:53:56] Speaker 5: so you can make more money to buy more records.
[1:53:58] Speaker 5: When you get more records, you open up more levels
[1:54:01] Speaker 5: and you go from there and it's a really really
[1:54:03] Speaker 5: satisfying game loop as far as I can see so far.
[1:54:06] Speaker 1: Love it. Lets what about you most another one of
[1:54:10] Speaker 1: your favorites?
[1:54:13] Speaker 3: I don't think can we talk about orbitals?
[1:54:15] Speaker 5: No?
[1:54:16] Speaker 1: No?
[1:54:16] Speaker 12: Yeah, No, that's like way late.
[1:54:18] Speaker 1: Yeah that's a bummer.
[1:54:20] Speaker 9: Yeah.
[1:54:22] Speaker 1: Or actually I'd like to ask you like more about like, uh,
[1:54:25] Speaker 1: what's it like been like your first year sgief, Because
[1:54:28] Speaker 1: for me, I felt like last year was a little stagnant,
[1:54:32] Speaker 1: Like the show kind of continued to like get physically bigger,
[1:54:36] Speaker 1: but I felt like it wasn't filled. Yeah, and this
[1:54:39] Speaker 1: year it's been so lively and honestly really nice, seeing
[1:54:42] Speaker 1: so much energy in the room. But I'm curious, like,
[1:54:45] Speaker 1: from your perspective, what that's been like.
[1:54:48] Speaker 14: It was amazing. I really loved it.
[1:54:51] Speaker 13: I loved how many opportunities there were to play games
[1:54:55] Speaker 13: and how the whole thing was set up. It just
[1:54:59] Speaker 13: felt like a very well run event that it was
[1:55:03] Speaker 13: like the most amount of games that you can play
[1:55:05] Speaker 13: in a day. You know, It's really great because you
[1:55:08] Speaker 13: really can get to so much instead of like a
[1:55:12] Speaker 13: typical convention when you're walking around and you got to
[1:55:14] Speaker 13: go stand in the lot and stuff. Right, So that
[1:55:17] Speaker 13: was something that I noticed right off the bat that
[1:55:19] Speaker 13: I was like, wow, I really enjoyed this experience because
[1:55:22] Speaker 13: it also led me to open myself up a bit
[1:55:24] Speaker 13: more to genres that I don't typically play. So I
[1:55:27] Speaker 13: was able to like, you know, kind of come out
[1:55:30] Speaker 13: of my comfort zone a little bit. But also in general, like,
[1:55:34] Speaker 13: everybody's really nice, everybody's really sweet and cool, and yeah,
[1:55:40] Speaker 13: navigating it as a creator was kind of interesting as well,
[1:55:44] Speaker 13: because I would like talk to some of my creator
[1:55:46] Speaker 13: friends that were there and they're like, oh, yeah, I'm
[1:55:48] Speaker 13: skipping out on the show because I'm going to record
[1:55:51] Speaker 13: from home and get a video out as soon as possible.
[1:55:54] Speaker 13: I'm like, oh, that's like a really good idea, So dang,
[1:55:57] Speaker 13: I should have thought of that mebe So my first
[1:56:00] Speaker 13: year it was a little rough around the edges where
[1:56:02] Speaker 13: it's like, oh, man, I should have maybe been doing
[1:56:05] Speaker 13: more stuff in the moment to be more topable. But
[1:56:10] Speaker 13: I learned a lot right of just like you know,
[1:56:14] Speaker 13: what I would do next year.
[1:56:16] Speaker 1: Totally I mean I feel that on the press side
[1:56:19] Speaker 1: of things, right, Eric off screen and I have been like, oh, man,
[1:56:23] Speaker 1: like how do we like? It's always it's a constant
[1:56:26] Speaker 1: battle of like I'm sure you too relate to this, like, oh,
[1:56:30] Speaker 1: I've got all this stuff to talk about, Sullivan's bargo embargoed.
[1:56:34] Speaker 1: Some of it's not, but I have to like keep
[1:56:36] Speaker 1: the engine rolling to get more content.
[1:56:38] Speaker 6: But when do I put it up?
[1:56:40] Speaker 13: Yeah, it was a delicate balance. But the best part
[1:56:44] Speaker 13: was definitely meeting new people and going out there and
[1:56:48] Speaker 13: playing all the games.
[1:56:49] Speaker 5: Yeah, wonderful experience.
[1:56:53] Speaker 9: Yeah, it's good to hear.
[1:56:54] Speaker 3: Jane.
[1:56:54] Speaker 1: What do you think about the show this year?
[1:56:56] Speaker 14: Yeah, I think it was like a stronger year.
[1:56:57] Speaker 15: I mean I think, you know, some years are just
[1:56:59] Speaker 15: like bigger on like at least the Triple A front. Obviously,
[1:57:01] Speaker 15: like there's always like gonna be good indie games coming out. Sure,
[1:57:05] Speaker 15: there are like years that have like the marquee indie title,
[1:57:08] Speaker 15: like you know this year with look Me to.
[1:57:09] Speaker 2: The Hollower Road.
[1:57:10] Speaker 15: It's like there are always like big indies that like
[1:57:12] Speaker 15: take the spot out of a year. But for Triple A,
[1:57:14] Speaker 15: I felt like there's definitely been a lot more like
[1:57:16] Speaker 15: Capcom has really been on a roll. So like them
[1:57:18] Speaker 15: having a presence there, I think it's really interesting that
[1:57:21] Speaker 15: Nintendo has.
[1:57:21] Speaker 14: Had a presence here for the first time. I think
[1:57:23] Speaker 14: that Yeah.
[1:57:24] Speaker 15: Kind of to me, that says like, okay, like where
[1:57:27] Speaker 15: are they at, like strategy wise, Like you know, obviously
[1:57:29] Speaker 15: they were just showing like third party, but it's like, Okay,
[1:57:32] Speaker 15: they're kind of making that effort.
[1:57:33] Speaker 14: It's year two of switch to where are we at
[1:57:36] Speaker 14: with this console?
[1:57:37] Speaker 15: I know, like on the player side, Like from my perspective,
[1:57:40] Speaker 15: I feel like we kind of maybe need a little
[1:57:42] Speaker 15: bit more of.
[1:57:43] Speaker 14: An oom from Nintendo.
[1:57:45] Speaker 15: So maybe this is them trying to say, hey, you
[1:57:47] Speaker 15: know again intenda thirty five support. I've been hearing about it,
[1:57:49] Speaker 15: I'm saying for as long as there've been a Nintendo fan.
[1:57:52] Speaker 15: So it's like, Okay, they're making that effort of trying
[1:57:54] Speaker 15: to like, you know, be here and be in this space.
[1:57:56] Speaker 14: They're also like notably, you know, they're one of the
[1:57:59] Speaker 14: Big three.
[1:57:59] Speaker 15: So there's always that question of like when we think
[1:58:01] Speaker 15: of what made E three three, it's the participation of
[1:58:03] Speaker 15: all these big publishers SGEF has never quite had that
[1:58:07] Speaker 15: like we've had PlayStation here.
[1:58:08] Speaker 1: At times the Horizon.
[1:58:10] Speaker 14: Yeah, yeah, whatever was that last year that it came out?
[1:58:15] Speaker 15: Years but yeah, it's like, okay, it's kind of like,
[1:58:17] Speaker 15: will will we get to that point to eventually build
[1:58:19] Speaker 15: it up where it would be like the major publishers
[1:58:22] Speaker 15: are there on campus or you know, and obviously Xbox
[1:58:25] Speaker 15: does do stuff, but they do it off campus, so
[1:58:26] Speaker 15: it's not you know, seeing how the show evolves and
[1:58:28] Speaker 15: how much publishers are paying attention to the fact that
[1:58:30] Speaker 15: the Nintendo's here, I think is a good sign for
[1:58:33] Speaker 15: SGF because it says that they cared enough about this
[1:58:35] Speaker 15: show to say, like we want to have a presence there.
[1:58:38] Speaker 12: Yeah, yeah, for saving Direct.
[1:58:42] Speaker 15: Yeah yeah, I definitely like like a little a little
[1:58:45] Speaker 15: bit of underwhelming of like a vibe because it is
[1:58:48] Speaker 15: just like a lot of you know, multiplatform stuff things
[1:58:50] Speaker 15: in other places. But like the fact that they're there
[1:58:52] Speaker 15: like does say something. It means they like, yeah in
[1:58:56] Speaker 15: the show. So yeah, it's interesting.
[1:58:59] Speaker 1: Yeah, Joe, what about you.
[1:59:01] Speaker 5: I was listening to you talk about like I'm going
[1:59:03] Speaker 5: to know for for next year and just thinking about
[1:59:05] Speaker 5: all of the like the lessons I learned last year
[1:59:08] Speaker 5: that I don't pay attention.
[1:59:10] Speaker 15: I'll like write down like in my notes, like I'll
[1:59:12] Speaker 15: do like a little postmart for myself, and then I
[1:59:14] Speaker 15: like never rew.
[1:59:16] Speaker 13: So it's like if you can just reread, just say
[1:59:19] Speaker 13: right now, never scheduling anything back to back ever again.
[1:59:22] Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's horrible.
[1:59:27] Speaker 13: Yes, so yeah, I know that was really rough because
[1:59:31] Speaker 13: I didn't know where anything was.
[1:59:33] Speaker 1: So yeah, and they change it every year.
[1:59:36] Speaker 7: You know, Oh my gosh.
[1:59:38] Speaker 13: Yeah no, so yeah, definitely never doing that again. And
[1:59:41] Speaker 13: a couple other little lessons.
[1:59:42] Speaker 14: Yeah, like I.
[1:59:43] Speaker 13: Didn't know Xbox was going to be primarily off campus.
[1:59:46] Speaker 14: Yeah yeah, mis ideat Xbox, which can be confusing. This
[1:59:50] Speaker 14: part of my ex is there.
[1:59:51] Speaker 13: Yeah, yeah, so that's like, oh, keep on the lookout, right.
[1:59:54] Speaker 5: Yeah, speaking of that id at Xbox area, there are
[1:59:57] Speaker 5: a lot of really good games. We had Blood Dungeon there.
[2:00:03] Speaker 3: Blood Dungeon.
[2:00:03] Speaker 1: I think it's just like a slap in the face
[2:00:06] Speaker 1: to like the concept, the notion that like, oh I
[2:00:09] Speaker 1: have to rely on like AI too, because I like
[2:00:11] Speaker 1: and obviously very talented developers have worked on this. They
[2:00:13] Speaker 1: made wheel World, they made nid Hog, like, these are
[2:00:17] Speaker 1: excellent game developers, but even somebody, yeah, this was my
[2:00:20] Speaker 1: game that I worked on when I was like winding
[2:00:22] Speaker 1: down at night and I just was like it was
[2:00:24] Speaker 1: kind of a relaxing experience. Then I found a musician
[2:00:27] Speaker 1: to do that this it's actually the real world. Uh yeah,
[2:00:31] Speaker 1: composer who's like doing audio direction. But like the game
[2:00:34] Speaker 1: itself has this vibe not quite like pain, yeah, but
[2:00:40] Speaker 1: like it reminds me of like the early days of
[2:00:43] Speaker 1: like Xbox Live Arcade totally, and the game itself is
[2:00:47] Speaker 1: like really excellent, but it's like you can put a
[2:00:50] Speaker 1: game out and it can be incredible preview incredible at least,
[2:00:54] Speaker 1: because I think it's probably my maybe my game of show. Yeah,
[2:00:58] Speaker 1: and you know for a like AI slop like we've
[2:01:01] Speaker 1: seen in the Triple A space. So many companies, Like
[2:01:04] Speaker 1: I mean there are companies here that I don't know
[2:01:07] Speaker 1: if I can talk about doing embargo, but yeah.
[2:01:11] Speaker 3: Just like.
[2:01:13] Speaker 1: Relying on that shit.
[2:01:14] Speaker 15: Yeah, those are so many ways to make a game,
[2:01:16] Speaker 15: and like it should be you know, something that somebody
[2:01:18] Speaker 15: developers have, like that personality and that passion of like
[2:01:20] Speaker 15: what's specific to them and like what speaks to them.
[2:01:22] Speaker 15: And it's nice to play something that feels you know,
[2:01:24] Speaker 15: authored and like intentional and yeah, like Blood Dungeon was incredible.
[2:01:29] Speaker 15: I'm not the biggest like Vampire Survivors like fan necessarily
[2:01:33] Speaker 15: I've played Vampire Survivors.
[2:01:34] Speaker 1: Obviously, we play.
[2:01:35] Speaker 15: Goobies all the time, which is like kind of like
[2:01:38] Speaker 15: in that style as well. But this is like Vampire
[2:01:40] Speaker 15: Survivors meets platforming, and I love platforming and I'm really
[2:01:44] Speaker 15: good at platforming, so this.
[2:01:46] Speaker 14: Was like very smooth. But also it's like pretty friendly
[2:01:48] Speaker 14: even if.
[2:01:48] Speaker 15: You're not into platforming, because you can the fact that
[2:01:50] Speaker 15: you can kind of grapple and crawl on everything, like
[2:01:53] Speaker 15: on the walls, and they have like the ability to
[2:01:55] Speaker 15: climb on at least the level that they suggest that
[2:01:57] Speaker 15: everyone play, like the first one. They have those cages
[2:01:59] Speaker 15: from like Mario World, and it's like, oh literally, that's
[2:02:02] Speaker 15: like one of my favorite things to do in a
[2:02:04] Speaker 15: video game ever, is to be on those cages. So yeah,
[2:02:07] Speaker 15: it was just super fun, chaotic, really fun art and
[2:02:12] Speaker 15: and a great like you know in the in classic
[2:02:14] Speaker 15: Vampire Survivor style, like a great constant like Dopamine unlock,
[2:02:18] Speaker 15: Like yeah, it would be unlocking stuff like all the time.
[2:02:20] Speaker 15: It was great to like experiment with my bills I'm
[2:02:23] Speaker 15: kind of getting more into the rogue genre as well.
[2:02:25] Speaker 15: So yeah, I just really like found me at the
[2:02:27] Speaker 15: perfect time. And yeah, I really loved it. I think like, mechanically,
[2:02:31] Speaker 15: it's just such an instant click.
[2:02:32] Speaker 5: So yeah, mechanically so professional and polished. It kind of
[2:02:36] Speaker 5: belies the like the look of the deo finness kind
[2:02:39] Speaker 5: of look. Yeah, but it's so smooth, exactly the way
[2:02:42] Speaker 5: it needed to be. I was also worried about the
[2:02:46] Speaker 5: amount of just things that are going off, projectiles and things.
[2:02:50] Speaker 5: I'm like, is this going to start to show problems
[2:02:52] Speaker 5: because you know it's a demo, it's an early demo.
[2:02:54] Speaker 5: You never know if those things are going to be
[2:02:56] Speaker 5: a problem. But nothing ever slowed down, and you were
[2:02:58] Speaker 5: constantly going I loved that. At one point I found
[2:03:03] Speaker 5: a gun where I could shoot spiderwebs and I could
[2:03:05] Speaker 5: make my own. Oh so nice to like worry about
[2:03:11] Speaker 5: being trapped anywhere. Yeah, and just the synergies that they
[2:03:14] Speaker 5: had for the different things of like there were items
[2:03:18] Speaker 5: that I found that you shoot more when you're going faster,
[2:03:22] Speaker 5: and then you're getting items that make you go exactly sure, Yeah,
[2:03:25] Speaker 5: and so many different situations like that.
[2:03:28] Speaker 15: So great, which too to like clarify for people, Like
[2:03:30] Speaker 15: it's the structure is like you have like a general
[2:03:33] Speaker 15: like level, like an like almost like an arena that
[2:03:35] Speaker 15: you're going up and down. There's like ladders, there's walls,
[2:03:38] Speaker 15: and then there's also like door like kind of doorways
[2:03:41] Speaker 15: that have keys, so you have to like look and
[2:03:42] Speaker 15: find the key and then sort of trying to remember, Okay,
[2:03:45] Speaker 15: I have the green key, now where might the green
[2:03:46] Speaker 15: door be?
[2:03:48] Speaker 14: And you're just like progressing more to like find chests.
[2:03:50] Speaker 15: Some of them are just available, some of them are
[2:03:52] Speaker 15: locked behind, like the currency that's in the game, like
[2:03:54] Speaker 15: getting enough coins, and that's like the.
[2:03:57] Speaker 14: General like loop of it.
[2:03:58] Speaker 15: But the other thing that was really cool is just
[2:03:59] Speaker 15: like the anime work is very like fun and silly,
[2:04:02] Speaker 15: Like there's different characters you can choose, but like the
[2:04:04] Speaker 15: like kind of default character, like.
[2:04:05] Speaker 1: The main guy.
[2:04:06] Speaker 14: He's his arm just kind of wave like NonStop, and.
[2:04:10] Speaker 1: Like all new grounds.
[2:04:12] Speaker 15: Just like a lot of like smart little design choices
[2:04:14] Speaker 15: like this is very like almost like a last Super
[2:04:17] Speaker 15: Meat Boy. But like when you're done with like a session,
[2:04:20] Speaker 15: they mark your path because again it's like if you
[2:04:22] Speaker 15: were to zoom out, it's not the sick, but it
[2:04:25] Speaker 15: will like show like where you start and like, oh,
[2:04:27] Speaker 15: you went up the wall and then you came down,
[2:04:28] Speaker 15: then you went back up, then you went back and
[2:04:29] Speaker 15: it kind.
[2:04:30] Speaker 14: Of just like it.
[2:04:31] Speaker 15: It just feels really good to look at that and
[2:04:33] Speaker 15: see like what you've done. It also kind of takes
[2:04:35] Speaker 15: this thing out of like no matter what happens, whether
[2:04:37] Speaker 15: you like won or lost, it's like satisfying to see
[2:04:40] Speaker 15: your process. And like, I appreciate a developer that can consider,
[2:04:44] Speaker 15: like how can I make a lost condition still feel good?
[2:04:47] Speaker 15: I feel like that's a real rarity in games, and
[2:04:49] Speaker 15: this does that. So even though I didn't lose, because
[2:04:51] Speaker 15: I was really good except for the question the second.
[2:04:53] Speaker 14: Time I hear it, So yeah.
[2:04:55] Speaker 1: Yeah, I had like a supremely broken build at my
[2:04:59] Speaker 1: final eye, I got my ass whopped a couple of times,
[2:05:01] Speaker 1: but then I lucked out and I got this ability
[2:05:04] Speaker 1: that I had a jet pack. I had a button
[2:05:07] Speaker 1: that I left fire trails below. I had the fire
[2:05:10] Speaker 1: trail as well, and so that com out of the jetpack,
[2:05:12] Speaker 1: I was just raining fire and then I had fifty
[2:05:14] Speaker 1: percent extra damage when you're above an enemy, and then
[2:05:19] Speaker 1: the I could take three frames of damage for free.
[2:05:24] Speaker 1: So I was just like cruising around the map. It
[2:05:27] Speaker 1: was so fun. But yeah, Blood Dungeon, I'm a fan. Yeah,
[2:05:33] Speaker 1: I think people should go and check it out. I
[2:05:35] Speaker 1: think it'll I'm sure I think there might be like
[2:05:37] Speaker 1: a Steam demo up or I'm sure there will be
[2:05:40] Speaker 1: soon if not, but definitely wanted to look out for.
[2:05:43] Speaker 1: But let's kind of get to our closing thoughts lists overall,
[2:05:49] Speaker 1: closing thoughts on SGF.
[2:05:51] Speaker 13: Overall, I of course am just so thrilled and so
[2:05:56] Speaker 13: everything was just amazing. I felt like I played a
[2:06:01] Speaker 13: lot of things that I typically wouldn't be downloading the
[2:06:04] Speaker 13: Steam demo for just you know, for the sake of time,
[2:06:07] Speaker 13: and so it was really really great to come to
[2:06:09] Speaker 13: an event and have all of this time dedicated to
[2:06:13] Speaker 13: experiencing a little bit.
[2:06:14] Speaker 15: Of what's your like typical like genre preference and what
[2:06:17] Speaker 15: kind of thing did you like take a risk on
[2:06:18] Speaker 15: that ended up like paying off like this weekend.
[2:06:21] Speaker 13: For me, personally, I play a lot of just like
[2:06:23] Speaker 13: a general Nintendo but you know, I am really huge
[2:06:27] Speaker 13: into the farming sim genre and in general life sims.
[2:06:32] Speaker 13: I played a little bit of horror and I can't
[2:06:35] Speaker 13: recall one of them.
[2:06:36] Speaker 1: I'm too much of a baby for that.
[2:06:37] Speaker 14: I don't like horror games at all.
[2:06:39] Speaker 13: There's very specific things that I will maybe play, but
[2:06:43] Speaker 13: so not my vibe.
[2:06:46] Speaker 14: I just yeah, I get too scared and then.
[2:06:48] Speaker 13: My heart starts beaten and I'm like, okay, I gotta
[2:06:50] Speaker 13: goal lay down.
[2:06:51] Speaker 12: It's just not my favorite.
[2:06:52] Speaker 13: So yeah, I played one that was a It was
[2:06:54] Speaker 13: called Don't Fret You're Sentient Guitar, and the whole game
[2:06:58] Speaker 13: is themed to about music and a lot of like
[2:07:01] Speaker 13: the puzzles were music, but then it's also a horror
[2:07:04] Speaker 13: game and your chase was a big scary cassette thing
[2:07:07] Speaker 13: monster and I thought that was silly and fun, and
[2:07:11] Speaker 13: then I was reminded why I don't really love those
[2:07:14] Speaker 13: type of games, because I get scar Yeah, my heart
[2:07:17] Speaker 13: was raised and I had to go sit down after
[2:07:19] Speaker 13: that one. Uh and was late to my next appointment.
[2:07:21] Speaker 14: Because I was like, I can't even walk right.
[2:07:25] Speaker 13: Yeah, but uh no, yeah, getting out of my wheelhouse
[2:07:27] Speaker 13: a little bit and just trying a bunch of different things,
[2:07:30] Speaker 13: and yeah, I think, uh, for me, you know, I
[2:07:34] Speaker 13: I don't cover a lot of wide variety of games
[2:07:38] Speaker 13: and genres on my channel, so it's really nice to
[2:07:41] Speaker 13: sort of, you know, just experience a little bit of
[2:07:44] Speaker 13: a the other side of games.
[2:07:46] Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah about you.
[2:07:48] Speaker 15: Yeah, I mean another another year down, you know, another
[2:07:52] Speaker 15: year closer.
[2:07:53] Speaker 14: To the end of everything.
[2:07:54] Speaker 15: No, I mean yeah, like it's we've it's interesting to
[2:07:57] Speaker 15: be like somewhere on the ground floor in a way.
[2:08:00] Speaker 15: You know, I went to the last D three that
[2:08:02] Speaker 15: they had like E three twenty nineteen, and now to
[2:08:05] Speaker 15: like be at SGF and get to see it like
[2:08:07] Speaker 15: go and change and develop. Like I think it's easy
[2:08:09] Speaker 15: to be negative about the game space. You know, there's
[2:08:12] Speaker 15: obviously been like many reasons to be like layoffs, closures,
[2:08:16] Speaker 15: Like it's inherently you know, not a like super well
[2:08:19] Speaker 15: paying industry, Like there's many struggles. But for all of that,
[2:08:22] Speaker 15: like it's nice to be reminded that, like there's still
[2:08:24] Speaker 15: newness to be celebrated, Like there's new games coming out,
[2:08:27] Speaker 15: there's new studios being formed, there's new people trying things.
[2:08:30] Speaker 15: There's new you know, independent outlets like popping up and
[2:08:33] Speaker 15: people who were like out here repping their blogs, like
[2:08:36] Speaker 15: doing freelance, but also saying like hey here's something I
[2:08:38] Speaker 15: made myself and like putting themselves out there, and like,
[2:08:41] Speaker 15: as much as it is kind of easy to be
[2:08:43] Speaker 15: cynical about something like SGF, it is cool to be like,
[2:08:45] Speaker 15: I was here from the start. I don't know how
[2:08:47] Speaker 15: long SGF will be here, but it's cool to like
[2:08:49] Speaker 15: get to have those stories, even as like, you know,
[2:08:51] Speaker 15: some people would doublest like one of the not later
[2:08:54] Speaker 15: generations of games media, but you know, there's kind of
[2:08:56] Speaker 15: been tiers of people that have gone through games still
[2:08:59] Speaker 15: aren't that old, and for there to be still like
[2:09:01] Speaker 15: a new show that like, I like to think that
[2:09:03] Speaker 15: years from now, you know, we can all say oh, yeah,
[2:09:05] Speaker 15: I was there at as she Have twenty twenty six
[2:09:07] Speaker 15: and have that be like, oh my god, that was
[2:09:09] Speaker 15: so long ago. And to have that and to be
[2:09:11] Speaker 15: part of that history, I think that's really cool. So
[2:09:14] Speaker 15: I agree, Yeah, it's a nice thing to think about.
[2:09:17] Speaker 5: Yeah, to be a little more pessimistic.
[2:09:20] Speaker 1: No, I'm gonna on a positive notes.
[2:09:24] Speaker 5: Cut it over, Nodard, just cut me out why it's
[2:09:26] Speaker 5: still not in this No, no, no dumbing over.
[2:09:29] Speaker 14: I agree with Chann Okay.
[2:09:31] Speaker 5: Thinking about time for one of the Xbox indies, the
[2:09:35] Speaker 5: PR person who was wrapping them came up to me,
[2:09:37] Speaker 5: it was like these kids who are making this game
[2:09:39] Speaker 5: and they're full of grown adults but weren't around for
[2:09:43] Speaker 5: the E three era. I'm like, oh no, I'm getting
[2:09:47] Speaker 5: way too old. But that was bad Magpie, which.
[2:09:52] Speaker 14: I'm also a really cool game.
[2:09:54] Speaker 15: Yeah, I like.
[2:09:55] Speaker 5: Super excited for that. But yeah, I think it is
[2:09:58] Speaker 5: just like you were saying, coming here, there's an energy there.
[2:10:01] Speaker 5: It's seeing other people and reminding yourself like, oh, this
[2:10:05] Speaker 5: is why we do this. Everybody here has that kind
[2:10:09] Speaker 5: of passion, whether it's making games or writing about games,
[2:10:12] Speaker 5: making content. Like we're all excited to be here and
[2:10:17] Speaker 5: to see each other, and it like refills my tank
[2:10:20] Speaker 5: for like the rest of the year.
[2:10:21] Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, totally agree. I think, you know, I've been
[2:10:26] Speaker 1: really I mean, game Informers shut down in twenty twenty
[2:10:29] Speaker 1: four and then we all got rehired and like we
[2:10:32] Speaker 1: were back. We were at SGF. I guess we haven't
[2:10:34] Speaker 1: missed an SGF because of the timing of it all.
[2:10:37] Speaker 1: But last year we were like a month or two
[2:10:39] Speaker 1: back and it all was like, oh, I don't you know,
[2:10:42] Speaker 1: is this going to be our last one? And then
[2:10:44] Speaker 1: of course we've like Game of four is doing very well,
[2:10:48] Speaker 1: and it's just like I'm in a place of gratitude.
[2:10:52] Speaker 1: Like I don't you know, games media is in a
[2:10:53] Speaker 1: I mean media in general is in a very precarious
[2:10:56] Speaker 1: place with you know, search engine AI's replace, you know,
[2:11:00] Speaker 1: stealing content. You know, ad views are in the toilet,
[2:11:05] Speaker 1: or ad revenues in the toilet. But there are cool
[2:11:09] Speaker 1: people making cool things and finding new ways to fund
[2:11:13] Speaker 1: themselves through patrons or YouTube memberships or what have you.
[2:11:18] Speaker 1: And yeah, so I kind of just returned to a
[2:11:21] Speaker 1: place of gratitude, you know. And I feel like I
[2:11:25] Speaker 1: feel very with what you said, Joe. I feel like
[2:11:27] Speaker 1: very filled up and kind of centered. It's like, man,
[2:11:30] Speaker 1: I worked my ass off this weekend. I got no sleep,
[2:11:33] Speaker 1: but I did it with the best people.
[2:11:35] Speaker 5: Yeah, are broken, but our hearts are exactly Yeah.
[2:11:39] Speaker 3: Yeah, there you go.
[2:11:40] Speaker 1: So yeah, that's kind of how I'm ending my my SGF.
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