# Just One Question | Rev angel Kyodo williams: How Do We Find Joy In the Heart of Our Suffering?

An episode of [Sounds True: Insights at the Edge](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/307934313), 6 Aug 2026, 9:15.

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Reverend angel Kyodo williams says that if you go all the way into your suffering, right to the center of it, that's where you'll find your joy. Tami's response: really? What follows is a case for radical dharma, and for why the pain we package away and shelve is the exact thing standing between us and a joy that's already available. Full episode: Reverend angel Kyodo williams: Warrior Spirit. Listen here: https://bit.ly/kyodo-williams See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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