# Sherrone Moore Fired & New Coach Intel with Bruce Feldman | College Football

An episode of [The Solid Verbal College Football Show](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/270037732), 11 Dec 2025, 1 h 29 min.

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In this episode, we react to the breaking news of Sherrone Moore's dismissal from Michigan. What does it mean for the Wolverines, who are the initial candidates, and how might it impact the rest of the coaching carousel? Then, we take a step back and evaluate the coaching carousel moves with our good friend Bruce Feldman of Fox Sports, The Athletic and The Audible podcast. We chat with Bruce around the drama surrounding Lane Kiffin's move to LSU, his biggest surprises during an active cycle, Lincoln Riley rumors, and much more. Plus, a discussion about Notre Dame's beef with the ACC and CFP. Support the show!: https://www.patreon.com/solidverbal See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:02] Speaker 1: Welcome to the solid verbal hull. For me, I'm a man,
[0:07] Speaker 1: I'm forty.
[0:08] Speaker 2: I've heard so many players say, well, I want to
[0:10] Speaker 2: be happy. You want to be happy for a day?
[0:12] Speaker 2: Edith State is that?
[0:13] Speaker 1: Whoo whoom? And Dan and Tie, Dan Raban, Steve, welcome back.
[0:20] Speaker 1: We're going to bring on an honored guest yes ay
[0:23] Speaker 1: list on today's episode. We will get to that momentarily. Hello,
[0:27] Speaker 1: welcome back. As always, I'm Tie, he is Dan. This
[0:30] Speaker 1: is a solid verbal thank you for tuning back in.
[0:33] Speaker 1: So we're kind of in that weird period now where
[0:37] Speaker 1: we're getting ready for bowl season, we're getting ready for
[0:39] Speaker 1: the postseason. This is a unique opportunity for us to
[0:43] Speaker 1: check back in with friends, to talk about bigger picture,
[0:45] Speaker 1: bigger picture issues, excuse me, and to give folks a
[0:49] Speaker 1: flavor of what's been going on in and around the
[0:51] Speaker 1: world of college football. So, with all that being said,
[0:53] Speaker 1: our guest of honor today Dan is Ruce Albn of
[0:59] Speaker 1: course ris An, our friend Bruce Schulman.
[1:01] Speaker 2: I think mostly we have questions about the Buckle Up
[1:04] Speaker 2: LA Bowl that's also this weekend. Apparently, Washington SMU is
[1:08] Speaker 2: literally like back to back with the Army Navy game.
[1:11] Speaker 2: Did we realize that.
[1:12] Speaker 1: I did not realize that. No, and we got to
[1:14] Speaker 1: talk about Army Navy too. I want to give picks
[1:16] Speaker 1: for that game before we get out of here.
[1:18] Speaker 2: It's it's bucked up LA or buckled up. I have
[1:20] Speaker 2: no idea what bucked up is. I think it's related
[1:24] Speaker 2: to Gronk.
[1:25] Speaker 1: Okay, it was the LA Bowl presented by Gronk, I
[1:30] Speaker 1: believe the last two years.
[1:31] Speaker 2: Yes, well, this is the bucked up l A Bowl
[1:34] Speaker 2: hosted by.
[1:34] Speaker 1: Gronk, hosted by They're just using him like he's a gadget.
[1:38] Speaker 2: I guess. So maybe it's just l A Bowl this year.
[1:42] Speaker 1: I don't know.
[1:43] Speaker 2: It's very confusing to me what's going on with this
[1:45] Speaker 2: LA Bowl? But we have I want to say, was
[1:49] Speaker 2: it Washington SMU? Okay, the bucked up l A Bowl again?
[1:53] Speaker 2: I don't know if Gronk's got a bad matchup. No,
[1:56] Speaker 2: not at all. No, sorry, it's Boise State, Washington.
[2:00] Speaker 1: State, Washington.
[2:00] Speaker 2: Yeah, excuse me, it was rumored to b SMU. I
[2:02] Speaker 2: get all my information wrong. I'm not in bowl season yet.
[2:04] Speaker 2: Tell you'll have to excuse me. Boise State, Washington in
[2:07] Speaker 2: the Bucked Up LA Bowl hosted by Gronk. Okay, okay, great,
[2:12] Speaker 2: So any early lean tie, as I put you on
[2:15] Speaker 2: the spot before we bring Bruce on, I.
[2:17] Speaker 1: Would lean Washington.
[2:19] Speaker 2: I think I'm leaning Washington.
[2:20] Speaker 1: I'm not unless there's a weird opt out situation and
[2:24] Speaker 1: I'm kind of going off the cuff here, So Washington,
[2:27] Speaker 1: I can excuse me. But boise State on defense left
[2:33] Speaker 1: a lot to be desired, and I think Washington's a
[2:35] Speaker 1: pretty good team. They were very much under the radar
[2:38] Speaker 1: this year finish eight and four. I think the future
[2:41] Speaker 1: is very bright for the roster that Jed Fish is
[2:43] Speaker 1: put together, and this gives him an opportunity to kind
[2:45] Speaker 1: of build on what they started this season. So granted,
[2:49] Speaker 1: boise State coming off another mount West Conference win, they're
[2:52] Speaker 1: third in a row, right, But I think there's a
[2:54] Speaker 1: reason that Washington's at nine and a half point favored here,
[2:57] Speaker 1: and I just like their offense a lot more in
[2:58] Speaker 1: this game, so I would go I would go Husky's
[3:01] Speaker 1: barring any kind of elaborate opt out situation.
[3:05] Speaker 2: Arizona is taking on SMU, A new SMU was coming
[3:07] Speaker 2: to Southern California. That's in the Holiday Holiday Bowl, that's right,
[3:10] Speaker 2: which is another too. That's the matchup. I'm very much
[3:14] Speaker 2: looking forward to Arizona SMU. So yes, the Bucked Up
[3:17] Speaker 2: LA Bowl is already upon us. I think we all
[3:20] Speaker 2: remember growing up and thinking about the Bucked Up LA
[3:24] Speaker 2: Bowls of years gone by. So yeah, we have football
[3:28] Speaker 2: this weekend.
[3:29] Speaker 1: We do have football this weekend, and we also have
[3:31] Speaker 1: some breaking news as these things go here in the
[3:39] Speaker 1: on demand audio space. We recorded our interview with Bruce
[3:43] Speaker 1: Feldman a few hours before a bombshell of a news
[3:48] Speaker 1: story broke at Michigan. There had been rumors floating around
[3:52] Speaker 1: on the dark web for a couple of weeks, the
[3:55] Speaker 1: dark web unsubstantiated, but this was out there that some
[4:00] Speaker 1: that might be coming. We got news a little bit
[4:03] Speaker 1: ago that Sharon Moore at Michigan has been fired with cause.
[4:09] Speaker 1: Our friends Pete Thammeil, Dan Wetzel Adam Schefter over at
[4:14] Speaker 1: ESPN dot com reporting that Michigan is firing Sharon Moore
[4:18] Speaker 1: for an inappropriate relationship with a staff member. That is
[4:23] Speaker 1: all we have at present. As some have pointed out,
[4:27] Speaker 1: it's very rare that you get that level of specificity
[4:31] Speaker 1: when news immediately breaks of a coach's firing. So there
[4:34] Speaker 1: has been obviously some sort of investigation. The university clearly
[4:38] Speaker 1: felt comfortable labeling it as such. This of course, comes
[4:43] Speaker 1: on the heels of a very active coaching carousel cycle.
[4:46] Speaker 1: We talked earlier about all of the movement across college football,
[4:50] Speaker 1: what with Lane Kiffin at Campbell, Bob Chesney. I mean,
[4:54] Speaker 1: they were being a bunch of names moving around. With
[4:57] Speaker 1: Sharon Moore being relieved of command. In effect, this sort
[5:02] Speaker 1: of resets the coaching carousel. It kicks off a phase
[5:06] Speaker 1: two of sorts. Because we can go through some of
[5:09] Speaker 1: the names that are being attached to this new opening,
[5:12] Speaker 1: they are all very big names. Michigan is a very
[5:15] Speaker 1: big play stand So, if you're a college football fan,
[5:19] Speaker 1: if you have been watching from afar as the coaching
[5:21] Speaker 1: carousel has spun round and round, my hunch is that
[5:25] Speaker 1: there is a lot more to come. What are your
[5:27] Speaker 1: thoughts here? This is a big one.
[5:30] Speaker 2: This is very big. Obviously has come out of nowhere
[5:36] Speaker 2: in terms of whether it was today, whether it was
[5:38] Speaker 2: stuff that's been floating out there. Obviously a mixed bag
[5:42] Speaker 2: in terms of on field results, has recruited somewhat well.
[5:46] Speaker 2: I mean, the actual you know, concerning thing here is
[5:50] Speaker 2: the reasoning why Sharan Moore was relieved of his job.
[5:54] Speaker 2: But you know, an inappropriate relationship, we don't know exactly
[5:56] Speaker 2: what that means beyond Look, if the head coach is
[5:59] Speaker 2: having a with a staff member, obviously that goes against
[6:04] Speaker 2: the rules in place, given power dynamics and the expectation
[6:08] Speaker 2: of somebody who is a bus But he failed, he
[6:13] Speaker 2: failed to lead Michigan properly. And this is why we
[6:16] Speaker 2: are here. So huge job and huge opportunity. Timing is
[6:21] Speaker 2: a little bit less than ideal given that we just
[6:24] Speaker 2: saw the carousel spin and we saw various coaches either
[6:28] Speaker 2: make moves or coordinators make moves, or coaches who had
[6:31] Speaker 2: who are sort of receiving interest get bumps and extensions
[6:36] Speaker 2: in salaries. We are weirdly at December tenth and it
[6:40] Speaker 2: feeling like we're late in the process. And so Michigan
[6:43] Speaker 2: named Biff Poge, who you know was an assistant head
[6:47] Speaker 2: coach under both Sharan Moore last season after not working
[6:51] Speaker 2: out at Charlotte and he was in the Jim Harbaugh
[6:54] Speaker 2: time as well a couple of different times in the
[6:56] Speaker 2: Jim Harborugh era. He will be coaching them in the
[6:59] Speaker 2: Bowl game correct, correct, and then from there, we don't
[7:03] Speaker 2: know exactly you're going to mention some candidates that have
[7:06] Speaker 2: been tossed around, but that's kind of all we know
[7:10] Speaker 2: right now in terms of like the facts laid out
[7:13] Speaker 2: in front of us.
[7:14] Speaker 1: Quote, this conduct constitutes a clear violation of university policy
[7:18] Speaker 1: and um maintains zero tolerance for such behavior. That is
[7:22] Speaker 1: from Athletic Director Word Manual, who issued a statement on Wednesday.
[7:28] Speaker 1: I would add, just to be honest with the audience
[7:31] Speaker 1: as we are recording this, there are a number of
[7:33] Speaker 1: reports that are screaming across social media. I don't know
[7:38] Speaker 1: what's true and what isn't. I don't want a rumor
[7:40] Speaker 1: monger here, but my sense from what I am seeing
[7:44] Speaker 1: is that by the time many people listen to this,
[7:47] Speaker 1: this story is going to have a few more turns
[7:50] Speaker 1: to it. So keep that in mind. We're doing our
[7:52] Speaker 1: best here to react on short notice.
[7:55] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[7:56] Speaker 1: From a football standpoint, clearly, the timing of this, as
[8:00] Speaker 1: you alluded, is not ideal. A bunch of coaches are
[8:04] Speaker 1: spoken for with new contract extensions, although I suppose Michigan
[8:08] Speaker 1: will do whatever it can essentially to empty the clip
[8:11] Speaker 1: to make sure they have someone good in place. The
[8:13] Speaker 1: timing of this is interesting given the fact that a
[8:17] Speaker 1: we just had a bunch of coach movement not too
[8:19] Speaker 1: long ago. B just a week ago was early signing Day,
[8:23] Speaker 1: which is I'm sure going to play a larger part
[8:25] Speaker 1: in this whole operation now, given there is uncertainty, and
[8:29] Speaker 1: I think on top of that the extra layer and
[8:32] Speaker 1: part of why there had been building enthusiasm for Michigan.
[8:36] Speaker 1: Granted it wasn't all in place this year, but exciting
[8:39] Speaker 1: quarterback and Bryce Underwood, a relatively young team. They're still
[8:44] Speaker 1: sort of building back up under the new coach after
[8:46] Speaker 1: Harball left, and so there's a lot of reason I
[8:49] Speaker 1: think to be optimistic about this program. But there is
[8:53] Speaker 1: definitely this now hanging over the Michigan Wolverine. Some of
[8:56] Speaker 1: the names that were reported right away from our friend
[8:59] Speaker 1: p Nacos over at On three, some are obvious, some
[9:03] Speaker 1: are not. All of them are relatively big, which is
[9:07] Speaker 1: why I think this could be one of those things.
[9:09] Speaker 1: I mean, the coaching carousel has become something of a
[9:12] Speaker 1: spectators sport among college football fans. We have it every
[9:16] Speaker 1: year around this time, and we quite literally interviewed Bruce
[9:19] Speaker 1: earlier today and we asked him, do you think it's
[9:22] Speaker 1: done spinning, and he said, I don't know, but it's
[9:24] Speaker 1: only December tenth, which means it's early and stuff always breaks. Well,
[9:29] Speaker 1: a few hours after the fact, we get this news
[9:32] Speaker 1: coming across the wire. Among the names that Pete Nacos reports,
[9:36] Speaker 1: Calin de Boorr, current head coach playoff bound head coach
[9:40] Speaker 1: at Alabama. Brian Kelly, now former LSU coach, former Notre
[9:46] Speaker 1: Dame coach.
[9:47] Speaker 2: Coached at Grand Valley State in the state Yeah.
[9:49] Speaker 1: Yep, Cincinnati, was at Central Michigan, so he's familiar with
[9:53] Speaker 1: this general region. Lincoln Riley, whose name has come up
[9:56] Speaker 1: a couple times, attached to other openings around college football.
[10:01] Speaker 1: Jesse Minter another guy in the West Coast, though not
[10:03] Speaker 1: in college. He followed Jim Harbaugh out into the NFL.
[10:06] Speaker 1: He's currently the DC for the LA Chargers. Eli Drinkwitz,
[10:11] Speaker 1: who just signed an extension of sorts. Jedfish out at Washington,
[10:16] Speaker 1: whose name I expected to be a little bit more active,
[10:18] Speaker 1: if I'm being honest.
[10:20] Speaker 2: But he's connected to this because of he also was
[10:22] Speaker 2: an assistant at Missions correct, so there are ties in air.
[10:25] Speaker 2: If you remember going back to like Warring Graphics from
[10:29] Speaker 2: a few years ago.
[10:30] Speaker 1: Yes, involving Jedfish.
[10:31] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[10:32] Speaker 1: And the last one that Pete lists here is Clark Lee,
[10:35] Speaker 1: who also just re upped with Vanderbilt. But Clark Lee
[10:39] Speaker 1: is a guy who obviously has had a lot of success,
[10:42] Speaker 1: and there is an open question about if and when
[10:45] Speaker 1: at some point he would bolt from Vandy to go
[10:48] Speaker 1: to what is perceived a bigger and better job. So
[10:51] Speaker 1: those are some heavy hitters, right. If any of those
[10:53] Speaker 1: names were to move, it would trigger its own domino
[10:57] Speaker 1: effect of sorts and clearly make for very interesting fodder
[11:02] Speaker 1: in the coaching world. The name that everybody brought out first,
[11:05] Speaker 1: I will say, is Deboor, right, because Kaylen de Bor
[11:07] Speaker 1: is from South Dakota, Kaalen de Bors coach generally in
[11:11] Speaker 1: this part of the country. Kaylen de Bor has obviously
[11:13] Speaker 1: been very successful in the time that he was a
[11:16] Speaker 1: head coach at Fresno, then most recently at Washington before
[11:21] Speaker 1: coming over to Alabama. A now two time playoff coach,
[11:24] Speaker 1: to say the least, who has a good track record
[11:26] Speaker 1: for building offenses. There have been rumors about him being
[11:30] Speaker 1: attached to some other positions that were open this cycle.
[11:33] Speaker 1: Most notably Penn State. Calen de bor I think would
[11:37] Speaker 1: be an enormous hire if you were able to pry
[11:40] Speaker 1: him away from Alabama. Now, it wasn't all that long ago.
[11:42] Speaker 1: He just said via press conference that he's happy. We've
[11:45] Speaker 1: never been happier here. We're thrilled to be part of
[11:48] Speaker 1: this community, to be building for it. I think they
[11:51] Speaker 1: all say the normal coach speak thing, but it seemed
[11:55] Speaker 1: as though just a week ago he had put some
[11:57] Speaker 1: of these rumors to bed, but now he's coming up
[11:59] Speaker 1: attached potentially to this Michigan opening.
[12:01] Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't have buyout numbers in front of me, obviously,
[12:04] Speaker 2: Caitlin de Borr, A lot of his footprint is in
[12:07] Speaker 2: the northern part of the country, but has coached everywhere
[12:10] Speaker 2: at this point, most recently when he was in the
[12:12] Speaker 2: Big Ten. I guess he was the offensive coordinator at Indiana.
[12:16] Speaker 2: Has since gone obviously, Fresno State, Washington, Bama. Hefty buyout,
[12:20] Speaker 2: as I'm sure a lot of these guys that you
[12:21] Speaker 2: have mentioned. Clark Lee just signed a new deal. Jesse
[12:24] Speaker 2: Minter as an assistant in the NFL, so I can't
[12:26] Speaker 2: imagine his buyout is substantial. Has experience obviously with Michigan,
[12:30] Speaker 2: and I think I want to say, it was Vanderbilt
[12:31] Speaker 2: for a year before that, so there's more Vanderbilt connection,
[12:35] Speaker 2: and there was I think Raven's connection along with Mike
[12:38] Speaker 2: McDonald who's now the Seahawks head coach. It's a huge job.
[12:41] Speaker 2: Those are huge names. It's a huge job. I also
[12:43] Speaker 2: want to say the leadership might This is not my expertise,
[12:47] Speaker 2: but I know Santa Oho attempted to leave the University
[12:49] Speaker 2: of Florida. The Michigan president. I think they have an
[12:52] Speaker 2: interim president at the moment, so correct me if I'm
[12:55] Speaker 2: wrong there. But I don't know where the school leadership
[12:57] Speaker 2: is at the moment. Obviously, Ward Manual still there. He
[13:00] Speaker 2: was the one who issued this release, so you know,
[13:03] Speaker 2: things a little bit influx behind the scenes. Curious to
[13:06] Speaker 2: see whether or not they do a full year with Pogy. Look,
[13:10] Speaker 2: the priority here now is going to be finding a
[13:14] Speaker 2: long term answer. And if you can't find a long
[13:16] Speaker 2: term answer right now, it's trying to keep this roster together.
[13:19] Speaker 2: This recruiting class that signed I don't know, seven days ago.
[13:24] Speaker 1: Yeah, they were the eleventh overall recruiting class according to
[13:27] Speaker 1: our friends over at twenty four to seven, two five stars,
[13:31] Speaker 1: twelve four stars, twelve three stars. It was a good
[13:34] Speaker 1: class by all accounts, So that is where my mind
[13:40] Speaker 1: goes first, especially when something like this pops up so
[13:43] Speaker 1: late in the coaching cycle, so late in the recruiting cycle.
[13:47] Speaker 1: What are the impacts going to be from this? Of
[13:49] Speaker 1: course the coach leaves, it kind of opens the floodgates
[13:51] Speaker 1: for players to make a switch if they see it necessary.
[13:55] Speaker 1: I think if you're Michigan, you obviously want to try
[13:58] Speaker 1: and get a guy in place Asa. This is a
[14:00] Speaker 1: different situation altogether than what we saw happen at say
[14:04] Speaker 1: Penn State, where the pressure was ratcheting up because they
[14:06] Speaker 1: didn't have a guy. They fired James Franklin early so
[14:10] Speaker 1: they could get a head start on the coaching search,
[14:12] Speaker 1: and they ended up being one of the last to
[14:14] Speaker 1: name a guy. They sort of expected when they made
[14:17] Speaker 1: a move like that mid season that the recruiting class,
[14:21] Speaker 1: that much of the current roster was going to go
[14:22] Speaker 1: up and smoke. That was an expectation. When you make
[14:25] Speaker 1: a move like that, you're naive to think otherwise. But now,
[14:28] Speaker 1: given the timing of this one for Michigan, you make
[14:31] Speaker 1: a move this late in the recruiting and coaching cycle.
[14:33] Speaker 1: You want to try and keep it together. You just
[14:35] Speaker 1: got some of these guys to sign. You want to
[14:37] Speaker 1: try and keep this together as best you can, especially
[14:40] Speaker 1: the guys you're excited about. So time is of the
[14:43] Speaker 1: essence to try and go out there and make a
[14:44] Speaker 1: move as soon as humanly possible.
[14:46] Speaker 2: Yeah, I think this, along with any other job Michigan
[14:50] Speaker 2: is obviously an enormous, enormous job. They can't think short term.
[14:55] Speaker 2: They can't hire somebody just because they want to keep
[14:58] Speaker 2: things together.
[14:58] Speaker 1: That's what they do.
[14:59] Speaker 2: A shroan more to work for a year. This year
[15:02] Speaker 2: was even on the fields, pretty up and down, though
[15:05] Speaker 2: obviously they did win a chunk of games. Lost the
[15:07] Speaker 2: Ohio State game, which obviously sits terribly with Michigan fans.
[15:12] Speaker 2: But in terms of thinking long term, find the guy
[15:16] Speaker 2: for eight years, not find the guy who can keep
[15:19] Speaker 2: Bryce Underwood. And Bryce Underwood's a big deal. There are
[15:22] Speaker 2: big deal young players on this roster. They are a
[15:24] Speaker 2: big deal player. I think they have like the number
[15:26] Speaker 2: one edge rusher, the number one running back you know,
[15:28] Speaker 2: signed at the moment. We'll see what happens, but this
[15:31] Speaker 2: has to be a long term decision. So for a
[15:33] Speaker 2: place like Michigan, you know they're gonna have to spend
[15:36] Speaker 2: tie there.
[15:37] Speaker 1: They're gonna, i mean, especially this late in the game,
[15:39] Speaker 1: doubly so if you're gonna go after a guy who
[15:41] Speaker 1: just hired an extension or who just signed an extension,
[15:44] Speaker 1: if you want to hire one of those guys away,
[15:46] Speaker 1: because there's gonna be a hefty buyout attached to it.
[15:48] Speaker 1: I'm seeing Matt Zenitz from over at CBS Sports reporting
[15:52] Speaker 1: that it was mostly a normal day today at Michigan
[15:56] Speaker 1: until about twenty after four. The team was even set
[16:00] Speaker 1: to practice tonight, but at that point team staffers were
[16:04] Speaker 1: abruptly called in for a meeting, at which point they
[16:06] Speaker 1: were told that Sharon Moore had been fired. The team
[16:09] Speaker 1: was then told afterwards. So this certainly is going to
[16:12] Speaker 1: come at as something of a shock for a team
[16:14] Speaker 1: that presumably was getting ready for a bowl game. There
[16:17] Speaker 1: will be much much more to follow on this front
[16:20] Speaker 1: with Sharon Moore. At time of recording. Right now, we
[16:23] Speaker 1: just don't have a whole lot to go on other
[16:25] Speaker 1: than to say that this has happened. That some of
[16:28] Speaker 1: the rumors that had been floating around out there. Apparently
[16:31] Speaker 1: came true, and we're going to have a second wave
[16:35] Speaker 1: in the coaching carousel. This might be arguably one of the,
[16:40] Speaker 1: if not the biggest job in college sports. Michigan's a
[16:44] Speaker 1: huge brand, enormous. Yeah, it's the winningest program in college
[16:48] Speaker 1: football history. This is a job that is going to
[16:52] Speaker 1: be much sought after. So to have this one pop
[16:55] Speaker 1: up this late in the cycle, though it's probably not
[16:57] Speaker 1: unprecedented in the history of coach searches, it is definitely
[17:01] Speaker 1: going to be a new wrinkle on what was already
[17:03] Speaker 1: a very, very active coaching carousel.
[17:05] Speaker 2: I'm very curious to see the direction they go in.
[17:08] Speaker 2: This is where Michigan sits right now. Obviously winning a
[17:10] Speaker 2: recent national championship and having two three excellent years to
[17:14] Speaker 2: end the Jim Harbaugh era, Michigan now sits in a
[17:17] Speaker 2: much more difficult Big Ten than even where it was
[17:20] Speaker 2: two three years ago. Right with Indiana peaking the way
[17:23] Speaker 2: that they are as the number one team in America,
[17:26] Speaker 2: I'm going to let that sink in for just another moment.
[17:29] Speaker 2: Everybody in the Big Ten now has to go through
[17:32] Speaker 2: Indiana in order to prove anything. Ohio State is a
[17:35] Speaker 2: killer Oregon's a killer. Penn State has the potential to
[17:38] Speaker 2: be excellent. We'll see. But it's a new coach. We'll
[17:41] Speaker 2: see how long that takes to get up and running.
[17:43] Speaker 2: I wonder if Matt Campbell's like, should I have waited
[17:46] Speaker 2: a week?
[17:47] Speaker 1: Should I hear James Franklin? Should I have waited a
[17:50] Speaker 1: couple weeks?
[17:50] Speaker 2: I don't think Michigan was hiring James Franklin. I think
[17:53] Speaker 2: James Franklin would have loved the opportunity to speak to Michigan. Perhaps,
[17:56] Speaker 2: I don't know.
[17:57] Speaker 1: Truly, though, this opens up an entirely new can of worms,
[18:01] Speaker 1: especially among some coaches who have just left to go elsewhere. Yeah,
[18:06] Speaker 1: we talked with Bruce Felban at length about Lane Kiffin.
[18:11] Speaker 1: What would happen if Kaylen de Bor decides to go
[18:14] Speaker 1: to Michigan with Lane kifving just having signed on with
[18:18] Speaker 1: LSU right, would Alabama make a move for lank kit Like?
[18:21] Speaker 1: I don't know, but I think this opens up a
[18:24] Speaker 1: bunch of just off the wall possibilities that normally would
[18:28] Speaker 1: just be relegated to message boards and dark corners of
[18:31] Speaker 1: the Internet, Internet that nobody takes seriously. However, this late
[18:35] Speaker 1: in the game time is of the essence to retain
[18:38] Speaker 1: what you have. We've gotten questions as we're doing this live,
[18:42] Speaker 1: We've gotten questions that have come in in our chat about, well,
[18:44] Speaker 1: what happens to Bryce Underwood, what happens to some of
[18:47] Speaker 1: the big names that make and what's sided about what's
[18:49] Speaker 1: the language? What's the language in Bryce Underwood's deal? Rightly
[18:53] Speaker 1: to get out of that deal because a lot of
[18:55] Speaker 1: money means a lot of clauses as well. So look,
[18:59] Speaker 1: we're just sort of of shooting from the hip here.
[19:01] Speaker 1: We got this news the way everybody got this news.
[19:04] Speaker 1: It is something that will keep very close tabs on
[19:06] Speaker 1: here over the next couple days and weeks. For sure,
[19:09] Speaker 1: it's going to be the biggest story in and around
[19:11] Speaker 1: the world of college football. Thankfully for the Playoff Committee
[19:14] Speaker 1: and for the Notre Dames of the world and for
[19:16] Speaker 1: some other entities in college football that we're very much
[19:19] Speaker 1: front stage center in the current news cycle that all
[19:23] Speaker 1: now gets pushed to the back burner with the Michigan
[19:25] Speaker 1: job coming open. As we find out more, we will
[19:29] Speaker 1: do our best to stay on top of it. This
[19:31] Speaker 1: is the nature of on demand audio when you don't
[19:33] Speaker 1: always get things when you want them. It doesn't always
[19:35] Speaker 1: fit neatly into a nice little box. But keep it
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[19:41] Speaker 1: make sure that you're in the know as news becomes available.
[19:45] Speaker 1: All right, Dan, it is long overdue. We figure what
[19:49] Speaker 1: time better than now than to bring back our good friend,
[19:52] Speaker 1: our longtime friend, mister Bruce Fellman from Fox Sports, from
[19:55] Speaker 1: the Athletic, from the Audible podcast, Going to talk some
[19:58] Speaker 1: coaching news, going to talk a bunch of news here
[20:00] Speaker 1: on the show today, Bruce, welcome back. How are you.
[20:03] Speaker 3: I'm doing great. I enjoyed the hour we just spent.
[20:06] Speaker 4: Yes, so I'm loosened up.
[20:10] Speaker 1: Yeah. Dan has some issues with this AI face swapping
[20:13] Speaker 1: app that he has been tormenting me with for the
[20:16] Speaker 1: better part of the last year. And for people who
[20:18] Speaker 1: watch our live streams and well any of the stuff
[20:21] Speaker 1: that we put out on video. Every now and again
[20:24] Speaker 1: he includes one my face on someone else's body, as
[20:28] Speaker 1: if it's some sort of Easter egg. So it's the
[20:30] Speaker 1: only thing I use AI for. I have no use
[20:32] Speaker 1: for it otherwise other than to put Tie's face on
[20:35] Speaker 1: Jeff Goldbloom's body from The Fly.
[20:38] Speaker 2: I think that's ran.
[20:39] Speaker 3: I think even Jeff Goldblom, it's like you're stuck there.
[20:41] Speaker 2: Why not just well we have gold Bloom. It's I'm
[20:44] Speaker 2: looking at Ties features right, darker features like a movie star,
[20:49] Speaker 2: good looks, and then you put it together. I know
[20:52] Speaker 2: it works well. So yes, that's what we do when
[20:55] Speaker 2: we're not talking about college football. Okay we are. It's
[20:58] Speaker 2: December tenth, coach searches, playoff news, everything's happening at the
[21:02] Speaker 2: same time. What to you sort of rings the loudest
[21:07] Speaker 2: between your ears right now? Is it the playoff stuff?
[21:10] Speaker 2: Is it the coaching changes? Is it portal stuff? What
[21:13] Speaker 2: to you is reverberating?
[21:14] Speaker 4: Well, the thing that's reverberating the most, and Ties got
[21:17] Speaker 4: on what looks like a Notre Dame pullover?
[21:19] Speaker 2: Is it?
[21:20] Speaker 1: Isn't it? Promised you?
[21:22] Speaker 3: I know we have.
[21:22] Speaker 4: We have like three days in a row of Notre
[21:26] Speaker 4: Dame aad Pete Bovaqua kind of sounding off, and I
[21:31] Speaker 4: think you know, we had a live show on Sunday
[21:35] Speaker 4: during the reveal, and I got to admit, I feel
[21:37] Speaker 4: like Notre Dame got screwed here. Notre Dame got screwed
[21:40] Speaker 4: not by my Miami but by Alabama, you know, especially
[21:43] Speaker 4: the way Alabama is playing down the stretch. It wasn't
[21:46] Speaker 4: just it wasn't just getting destroyed in the SEC title game.
[21:51] Speaker 4: It was you know, barely beating a bad Auburn team,
[21:54] Speaker 4: losing it home to Oklahoma. You know, couple that when
[21:57] Speaker 4: they got off to the start of the year with
[21:59] Speaker 4: a losing to what turned out to be a really
[22:01] Speaker 4: bad Florida State team.
[22:03] Speaker 3: Right, So felt bad for Notre Dame.
[22:06] Speaker 4: Felt bad for Notre Dame for a you know, I
[22:08] Speaker 4: didn't really sit there and think, oh my god. The
[22:09] Speaker 4: ACC network showed the re air of Miami Notre Dame
[22:13] Speaker 4: from Week one one hundred and six times in a row.
[22:17] Speaker 3: But I get sort of that point.
[22:20] Speaker 4: I think what's a little different obviously, is just because
[22:23] Speaker 4: they wear the patch on the baseball uniforms doesn't mean,
[22:26] Speaker 4: you know, like you're an equal partner here, right, So
[22:29] Speaker 4: I think there's there was some of that, but that
[22:32] Speaker 4: and on. I don't have a problem with Notre Dame
[22:34] Speaker 4: or the players going, you know what, we're we're not
[22:36] Speaker 4: going in the in the uh in the Pop Tart
[22:39] Speaker 4: Bowl or the pin Strape Bowl or whatever bowl. You know,
[22:42] Speaker 4: like we're good without it you can make your ratings
[22:45] Speaker 4: someplace else or however.
[22:47] Speaker 3: You know that beyond that thought process kicked in.
[22:50] Speaker 4: But what was curious to me, just from like a
[22:55] Speaker 4: I don't know from an optics standpoint, is the ad
[22:58] Speaker 4: spoke on Sunday to Yahoo and you know, raise some
[23:02] Speaker 4: eyebrows with some of his comments, and you know, brought
[23:04] Speaker 4: up how there's a there's kind of a carve out
[23:07] Speaker 4: next year at the CP that will benefit Notre Dame
[23:10] Speaker 4: in the ways it doesn't benefit anybody else. And then
[23:15] Speaker 4: I was like, okay, you know, he aired out, and
[23:17] Speaker 4: now all of a sudden you started seeing people kind
[23:19] Speaker 4: of ripped Notre Dame for opting out of the bowl game.
[23:23] Speaker 4: I don't I'm not one of them. I totally get
[23:25] Speaker 4: where that positioning. And then the next day he goes
[23:28] Speaker 4: on Dan Patrick and now there's video of the comments
[23:32] Speaker 4: and those things are going viral and they're strong comments,
[23:35] Speaker 4: and like, okay, and then I was like sitting there thinking, yeah,
[23:39] Speaker 4: Pete Sampson are terrific. Notre Dame writer was like yeah,
[23:42] Speaker 4: and he's doing a he's doing a press conference tomorrow,
[23:46] Speaker 4: so now there's another another layer of this.
[23:48] Speaker 3: And I just felt like you know Notre Dame post.
[23:54] Speaker 4: You know, Brian Kelly in the you know, in the
[23:57] Speaker 4: Marcus Freman era, especially last year, he saw a lot
[24:00] Speaker 4: of stories of Notre Dame is really likable. You know,
[24:02] Speaker 4: maybe they maybe people thought they weren't because Brian Kelly
[24:05] Speaker 4: epitomized something different right back then. And I felt like
[24:11] Speaker 4: some of that kind of like all of a sudden,
[24:13] Speaker 4: Notre Dame went from being very sympathetic and likable, so
[24:16] Speaker 4: maybe not to I think some people are rethinking that
[24:19] Speaker 4: I'm not one of them, but I saw enough chatter
[24:23] Speaker 4: to be like, man, they have really changed the like
[24:26] Speaker 4: kind of changed the narrative, and it's it spiraled into
[24:29] Speaker 4: all these other little arguments. Right I wake up this morning,
[24:32] Speaker 4: or wake up Wednesday morning, and I see our friend
[24:36] Speaker 4: Bud Elliott is trending or whatever, and I was, what
[24:38] Speaker 4: the heck? And then I realized bud Elliott waded into
[24:41] Speaker 4: the Notre Dame scheduling conversation that came up sort of
[24:45] Speaker 4: half cocked maybe, and then started getting clowned by some
[24:48] Speaker 4: people probably were dialed in on that. And I was
[24:51] Speaker 4: just like this, this is kind of like what you
[24:54] Speaker 4: kind of hate hate about the Internet. When it just
[24:57] Speaker 4: kind of takes on a lifefit zone.
[24:58] Speaker 2: I mean the whole sport essentially in this moment, and
[25:00] Speaker 2: let's be clear, including Tie and myself. Like it kind
[25:04] Speaker 2: of turns to sludge right when you're following along with
[25:07] Speaker 2: what's going on with Lane Kiffin, when you're following along
[25:09] Speaker 2: with the playoff committee, when you're following along with you know,
[25:12] Speaker 2: the late parts of even like the early signing day
[25:14] Speaker 2: stuff and who's going where, and there's drama, like there
[25:18] Speaker 2: is a lot of heightened emotion in early December, and
[25:23] Speaker 2: it feels especially I think toxic is too strong a word,
[25:26] Speaker 2: but especially heated right now and people know more about
[25:30] Speaker 2: the business of college football and how things are connected
[25:33] Speaker 2: to each other. And I wonder if it's actually good
[25:37] Speaker 2: for the sport or if it's just good for people
[25:40] Speaker 2: like the three of us who talk about the sport.
[25:43] Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't know how you feel about that,
[25:44] Speaker 2: Like is it reaching like like a fever pitch.
[25:47] Speaker 4: It's a good point, you know, Like there's a conversation
[25:53] Speaker 4: I was somebody who works at ESPN. I don't want to,
[25:55] Speaker 4: you know, kind of put them out there without their
[25:56] Speaker 4: their say so on it. But just like we're kind
[25:59] Speaker 4: of talking about the backwards nature of the CFP process, right,
[26:04] Speaker 4: And I would assume we would all agree that. I mean,
[26:07] Speaker 4: I've been pretty strong on this for a while. The
[26:10] Speaker 4: Tuesday night show is garbage. It's it needs to go.
[26:14] Speaker 4: It should have gone, It should never have been a thing. Right.
[26:16] Speaker 4: But that you know, part of the old machine behind
[26:22] Speaker 4: the playoff still was like, hey, it drives debate, and
[26:27] Speaker 4: that's a good thing for the sport.
[26:29] Speaker 3: No, I don't think it really is.
[26:30] Speaker 4: I think it's a good thing for your TV ratings
[26:32] Speaker 4: to drive debate, but I think it undermines the credibility
[26:36] Speaker 4: of the sport. Now, they could have certainly had a
[26:39] Speaker 4: way more articulate CFP chairman than Hunter Eurochek, right, I mean,
[26:44] Speaker 4: he's probably about.
[26:45] Speaker 3: As bad a.
[26:47] Speaker 4: Representative as they probably could have thrown in that chair
[26:50] Speaker 4: every Tuesday night. But I don't know who you'd have
[26:53] Speaker 4: who could really explain. You know, we get we get
[26:56] Speaker 4: and I say we and this means it's not just
[26:59] Speaker 4: media's college football fans. We get lulled into this thought
[27:01] Speaker 4: process of well, the committee did this a year ago,
[27:05] Speaker 4: or they did this, you know, or the CFP did
[27:07] Speaker 4: this whatever and you know, I said to Stu on
[27:11] Speaker 4: our podcast a few times, I was like, hey, not
[27:13] Speaker 4: clowning you here, but like that's a different committee and
[27:16] Speaker 4: all the circumstances change and whenever, you know, it's kind
[27:19] Speaker 4: of insanity when you expect a different you know, like
[27:21] Speaker 4: they're making it up as they go along, right, and
[27:25] Speaker 4: I don't.
[27:26] Speaker 2: Know that Notre Dame Miami back to back thing. They're
[27:28] Speaker 2: just like that's what we're doing it. And like you're
[27:30] Speaker 2: just like, but who decided that and why and when
[27:34] Speaker 2: and when did these like weird tears come about, and
[27:36] Speaker 2: like they're just it's not a matter like transparency. It's
[27:40] Speaker 2: just like they speak as if like, yes, we all
[27:42] Speaker 2: understand this to be the case, Like what are you
[27:44] Speaker 2: talking about? Back to back? Nobody remembers anything about this?
[27:48] Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean this is a screw analogy.
[27:50] Speaker 4: But like I feel like it's all you know, there's
[27:53] Speaker 4: a little bit of a parenting aspect of this, where
[27:56] Speaker 4: you may tell your child when they're younger something that
[27:59] Speaker 4: you just kind of pull your butt and then they're like,
[28:02] Speaker 4: you know, years later they remind you and you're like, yeah,
[28:05] Speaker 4: I don't know, I just made that up or whatever.
[28:08] Speaker 4: You know kind of thing. And obviously it's important with parenting,
[28:11] Speaker 4: you know, like you don't want to raise, you know.
[28:13] Speaker 3: A psychopath.
[28:15] Speaker 4: But in the case of this, it's like we're all
[28:18] Speaker 4: expecting more and by now we know we're not getting it,
[28:22] Speaker 4: we're getting less. And I think that's the part where
[28:26] Speaker 4: it just like, yeah, it may be good for us
[28:28] Speaker 4: because we err out our grievances and vent on these
[28:32] Speaker 4: shows and different things, but it's it's frustrating and just
[28:36] Speaker 4: because you sit there and watch and you expect more
[28:39] Speaker 4: from the people who are running the sport, and I
[28:42] Speaker 4: think by now we all know better, you know, like,
[28:45] Speaker 4: oh yeah, that guy's kind of an idiot, and that's
[28:48] Speaker 4: you know, it's like and then you know, it's frustrating
[28:51] Speaker 4: because then all of a sudden you'll see and it
[28:53] Speaker 4: happened a lot over the last year or two where
[28:55] Speaker 4: it's like, oh, we're going to turn to Congress. Oh yeah,
[28:58] Speaker 4: there's another body of work that people think very highly
[29:00] Speaker 4: of right now, yeah, you know, so it just I
[29:03] Speaker 4: love the sport, I kind of it kind of makes
[29:07] Speaker 4: me cringe about all the other stuff that's connected to it.
[29:12] Speaker 1: The Notre Dame a d and his little crusade here
[29:15] Speaker 1: over the last few days has been really interesting to follow.
[29:18] Speaker 2: And he's phrasing ty yeah sade.
[29:21] Speaker 1: Thank you. I didn't mean it that way, but thank you.
[29:23] Speaker 2: Uh huh.
[29:24] Speaker 1: What keeps resonating with me, what keeps bouncing around in
[29:27] Speaker 1: my head is what's the endgame here? You know what?
[29:30] Speaker 1: What is the point of this? If the point is
[29:32] Speaker 1: not just to complain openly and to express dissatisfaction with
[29:35] Speaker 1: the process, what is it that they are really going for?
[29:40] Speaker 1: And that's where I've I think, had a little bit
[29:42] Speaker 1: of a hard time. To me, it comes across as
[29:44] Speaker 1: a brushback pitch towards the ACC, and it's probably driven
[29:49] Speaker 1: mostly from emotion than anything. But if their goal here
[29:53] Speaker 1: is not to outright leave the ACC and to not
[29:56] Speaker 1: outright put the ACC in some sort of business buying,
[30:00] Speaker 1: the only way that I can interpret this as some
[30:02] Speaker 1: sort of brushback that everything Pete Bavaqua is saying is
[30:05] Speaker 1: ultimately intended for an audience of one, whether that's Jim Phillips,
[30:09] Speaker 1: whether that's the broader governing structure of the ACC. That
[30:12] Speaker 1: to me is the only way this makes sense. There's
[30:16] Speaker 1: probably also a point to be made that he is
[30:18] Speaker 1: trying to be the squeaky wheel this time around, so
[30:21] Speaker 1: that if it comes to this a year from now,
[30:23] Speaker 1: the playoff committee, I guess depends who's on it, would
[30:27] Speaker 1: think twice about leaving Notre Dame out again. None of
[30:30] Speaker 1: those seem like great endgames to me, so I'm just
[30:33] Speaker 1: as curious as you are, and I would agree that
[30:35] Speaker 1: it's not the best optics. I also don't think Notre
[30:37] Speaker 1: Dame gives a rip about optics, you know. I think
[30:40] Speaker 1: Notre Dame for a long time, and this is why
[30:42] Speaker 1: a lot of people haven't liked Notre Dame in the past.
[30:45] Speaker 1: They tend to operate on the Golden rule, i e.
[30:47] Speaker 1: Whoever has the gold makes the rules, and in this case,
[30:50] Speaker 1: they've got the fan base. He cited some of those
[30:53] Speaker 1: stats when he was given as presser yesterday that only
[30:55] Speaker 1: twenty three percent of the time ACC stadiums sell out,
[30:58] Speaker 1: whereas when Notre Dame is playing it's ninety percent of
[31:01] Speaker 1: the time. He is very much trying to, I think,
[31:04] Speaker 1: put his finger on the scale and let people know
[31:06] Speaker 1: how big of a business partner they are. None of
[31:09] Speaker 1: it is good, and it only adds, I think to
[31:11] Speaker 1: the toxic nature of what this whole playoff thing has become.
[31:14] Speaker 1: But where it goes next, I think is what's most interesting.
[31:18] Speaker 1: Is this going to be the last we hear of it?
[31:20] Speaker 1: Will there be any kind of like whispers of lawsuits
[31:23] Speaker 1: or anything like. I'm not rooting for that, but I'm
[31:27] Speaker 1: just curious to see if there is a next step
[31:29] Speaker 1: to any of this or if it just is sort
[31:30] Speaker 1: of like a hissy fit in the moment. I honestly
[31:33] Speaker 1: don't know.
[31:34] Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm curious myself on that.
[31:37] Speaker 4: You know, with the ACC piece of it, you know,
[31:39] Speaker 4: it's kind of they're in this position though they it's
[31:43] Speaker 4: the wuntch your cake and eat it too, because they're
[31:46] Speaker 4: not a football member, right they know they're an ACC
[31:49] Speaker 4: sort of member when it comes to the other sports,
[31:53] Speaker 4: I think that doesn't help their case, right, you know.
[31:56] Speaker 3: And it's like you're also you're in the ACC.
[31:58] Speaker 4: You're not in the Big ten, right, Like the ACC
[32:01] Speaker 4: is like the poster child of conference dysfunction right now.
[32:04] Speaker 4: I mean, I remind you many das at seven and
[32:07] Speaker 4: five got you know, got into the ACC title game
[32:10] Speaker 4: with like losing some you know, non conference games that
[32:15] Speaker 4: just it was like they should never have gotten themselves
[32:19] Speaker 4: in that situation in the first place, the PR push
[32:23] Speaker 4: as it was. I get why they were aggrieved with that.
[32:29] Speaker 4: I mean, to be honest, I think they probably have
[32:31] Speaker 4: a stronger case to to to poke at Alabama. But
[32:35] Speaker 4: you know, I don't I don't know if they think
[32:38] Speaker 4: that does them any good.
[32:40] Speaker 3: You know, I don't think it.
[32:41] Speaker 4: I think what's different And you know this, I don't
[32:44] Speaker 4: know if there's a I don't want to hijack the
[32:46] Speaker 4: conversation at this point, but like you know, I think
[32:49] Speaker 4: people see this in conspiracy theories of Okay, what's going
[32:53] Speaker 4: on with the CFP. They obviously you know, it's run
[32:56] Speaker 4: by ESPN. ESPN's by far it's biggest partner, Greg Zankei
[33:00] Speaker 4: and the SEC, right like Stu and I have had
[33:03] Speaker 4: this disagreement on it. He was like, you know, like
[33:06] Speaker 4: you see that that Oh yeah, there's deals with the
[33:11] Speaker 4: ACC and they have the ACC network. I'm like, yeah,
[33:13] Speaker 4: but those are different.
[33:14] Speaker 3: It ain't the SEC. And until you kind of come
[33:16] Speaker 3: to terms with.
[33:17] Speaker 4: Maybe that, you know, people can say, oh, if you
[33:22] Speaker 4: really want ratings, you'll stick Notre Dame in there, right,
[33:26] Speaker 4: you know that could be I mean, it wasn't like.
[33:32] Speaker 3: You know, but not at the expense of.
[33:35] Speaker 4: Your cash cow, your biggest cash cow, which is the SEC.
[33:38] Speaker 4: And I think that's the part that's hard to separate,
[33:41] Speaker 4: Like if it was another team that had the had
[33:45] Speaker 4: the exact same profile and it wasn't an SEC team,
[33:50] Speaker 4: I don't think we're talking about this right, you know,
[33:52] Speaker 4: like by you dropped and it just it's you know,
[33:56] Speaker 4: to me, that's that's the discussion. I get it that,
[34:00] Speaker 4: you know, Bavakua has frustrations with the ACC and how
[34:05] Speaker 4: it played out, But I feel like there's like it's
[34:08] Speaker 4: a second that's it's a different discussion. I'm not saying
[34:11] Speaker 4: it is the one they need to have, but that's
[34:14] Speaker 4: the one that's gonna I feel like the ACC piece
[34:16] Speaker 4: of this is the one that really has taken over.
[34:19] Speaker 4: And I think if I was Alabama, I'd be like, hey,
[34:21] Speaker 4: thanks for doing that.
[34:24] Speaker 2: Let's transition from one potentially petty hissy fit to another.
[34:27] Speaker 2: Because Lane Kiffin is the new coach of LSU. That's
[34:30] Speaker 2: a pro transition.
[34:31] Speaker 1: That was good.
[34:32] Speaker 2: You can write that one down petty hissy fit just
[34:35] Speaker 2: because of the statement he released. And you know, this
[34:38] Speaker 2: story has been covered from what seems every conceivable angle. Right,
[34:41] Speaker 2: you have people at the airport, you have you know,
[34:43] Speaker 2: people talking about what happened in meetings and saying that like, no,
[34:47] Speaker 2: we didn't want him to stay from a player perspective,
[34:49] Speaker 2: So we've got it from all sorts of different angles.
[34:51] Speaker 2: I'm wondering because you've covered him for a long time,
[34:54] Speaker 2: you've known him for a long time. I know that
[34:56] Speaker 2: you've talked about how like he's just maybe a bad
[34:59] Speaker 2: breaker upper, he's just bad at delivering bad news to people.
[35:03] Speaker 2: And that's probably true, that seems true. Is there something
[35:06] Speaker 2: we don't know about Lane Kiffen? I guess more broadly speaking,
[35:11] Speaker 2: that better informs why he made this move when he
[35:15] Speaker 2: made this move. I know there's you know, talk of
[35:16] Speaker 2: calendar stuff, and you know, you don't really have a
[35:18] Speaker 2: choice in terms of when you can make a move
[35:19] Speaker 2: like this. But is there something that people don't fully
[35:22] Speaker 2: understand about Lane Kiffen.
[35:26] Speaker 1: No.
[35:26] Speaker 4: I think the people who've been paying attention the longest
[35:28] Speaker 4: know who Lane Kiffin is, right. I think it's the
[35:31] Speaker 4: ones who kind of got sucked into, oh, he's doing
[35:35] Speaker 4: hot yoga now.
[35:37] Speaker 1: Which, by the way, the yoga people don't like him.
[35:41] Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean so it's like I think that's the
[35:43] Speaker 4: piece of it. Yes, I mean, you know, like if
[35:48] Speaker 4: he's good with Fine Bomb, you know Fine Like I
[35:51] Speaker 4: feel like the best two areas for Lane Kiffen our
[35:54] Speaker 4: Twitter where he's not really talking, he's typing, and he's
[35:58] Speaker 4: the foil across Fine Bomb. Beyond that, I think, you know,
[36:03] Speaker 4: the people I talked to are a lot of people
[36:05] Speaker 4: who've known him and work with him for a long time,
[36:09] Speaker 4: and they're like, if anybody thinks Lane's changed, Lane's skinnier, now,
[36:13] Speaker 4: that's about it, right, But he's.
[36:16] Speaker 3: Still the same guy.
[36:17] Speaker 4: And you could kind of see it if you didn't
[36:19] Speaker 4: learn from it, Like look at the player's comments, and
[36:23] Speaker 4: these weren't just like random dudes, these are like the
[36:25] Speaker 4: best players on the.
[36:26] Speaker 3: Team were like, yeah, that's not how that went Lane.
[36:29] Speaker 4: The fact that you went to Twitter and posted that
[36:32] Speaker 4: and all the players and the players called.
[36:34] Speaker 3: Bs kind of tells you a lot. Then.
[36:36] Speaker 4: Also, it's like you could juxtapose you like Penn State
[36:40] Speaker 4: more than Notre Dame.
[36:41] Speaker 2: Right, no other way other way.
[36:43] Speaker 1: Most of the time it depends on Honestly.
[36:46] Speaker 4: I was gonna have a sloppy transition, but like Ty's
[36:49] Speaker 4: new head coach in state college. His exit is he
[36:53] Speaker 4: spends a bunch of you know, of his money to
[36:55] Speaker 4: put a thank you note in like the Des Moines
[36:57] Speaker 4: Register or whatever to ioris state fans. Lane's Lane's parting
[37:01] Speaker 4: shot is my instagram is now full with all these
[37:04] Speaker 4: old dms he sent to college students, you.
[37:09] Speaker 3: Know, or whatever. And it's just like, I don't know.
[37:13] Speaker 4: I mean, I think there's a piece of Lane that
[37:17] Speaker 4: feels like he just cannot help himself. And it's always
[37:21] Speaker 4: going to be about Lane, right, and you saw that
[37:24] Speaker 4: right till the end.
[37:26] Speaker 3: Right.
[37:26] Speaker 4: I don't know if he's ever going to win a
[37:28] Speaker 4: national title at LSU's I think he's probably a better
[37:31] Speaker 4: positioned to win one at LSU than is at Old Miss,
[37:34] Speaker 4: just because, except for Brian Kelly, all the coaches who've
[37:37] Speaker 4: been there in the last twenty five years have actually
[37:39] Speaker 4: won one.
[37:40] Speaker 3: And at at.
[37:42] Speaker 4: Ole Miss you can have good teams. I don't know
[37:44] Speaker 4: if you can sustain greatness there. With LSU, you can.
[37:47] Speaker 4: Now the question is going to be can Lane control himself?
[37:53] Speaker 4: And there's going to be a juggling act right now
[37:56] Speaker 4: or a balancing act to do that, And I don't
[38:00] Speaker 4: know how it's going to be because there's a lot
[38:03] Speaker 4: of strong forces around that program that are way different
[38:08] Speaker 4: than what he's had because remember, you know, here's him
[38:11] Speaker 4: as a head coach. Goes to the Raiders, obviously didn't
[38:13] Speaker 4: go well. You know, went to Tennessee, had a lot
[38:17] Speaker 4: of people on that staff, including his dad, who knew
[38:20] Speaker 4: him very well. It was as turbulent as could be.
[38:23] Speaker 4: You know, there was some good and some bad, a
[38:25] Speaker 4: lot of embarrassing things.
[38:27] Speaker 3: And he left.
[38:28] Speaker 4: And then he went to USC where the sanctions hit.
[38:32] Speaker 4: But again he had people around there who knew him well.
[38:35] Speaker 4: You know, MANI was there, Ojeron was there, and I
[38:41] Speaker 4: think that I don't.
[38:42] Speaker 3: Want to say they were guardrails.
[38:43] Speaker 4: But it didn't go great there either, obviously because he
[38:45] Speaker 4: got fired, fired on the tarmac. Then he's at Alabama,
[38:50] Speaker 4: where he's kind of been humbled to some extent. You know,
[38:52] Speaker 4: Saban ends up firing him right before the National title game,
[38:57] Speaker 4: you know, because he's got the you know, kind of
[38:59] Speaker 4: trying to juggle the FAU piece of it. So at FAU,
[39:03] Speaker 4: I think it's just on a different stage. At Old
[39:05] Speaker 4: Miss again, I think there was some people around him,
[39:08] Speaker 4: but it wasn't.
[39:09] Speaker 3: Quite like this. Now you're going into.
[39:12] Speaker 4: The deep end of the pool at LSU and there's
[39:15] Speaker 4: a lot of people pulling in different directions and it's
[39:18] Speaker 4: really political.
[39:20] Speaker 1: And is that revenge thing for him?
[39:23] Speaker 2: By the way, is like, is this a revenge thing
[39:25] Speaker 2: for Lane that like things have gone so poorly at
[39:28] Speaker 2: places like USC and the Raiders in Tennessee? Does is
[39:32] Speaker 2: he the kind of guy who is taking this job
[39:34] Speaker 2: to say I got all the way back, I told
[39:37] Speaker 2: you you were the wrong one. I am the right one.
[39:40] Speaker 2: Do you think that's something that fuels no?
[39:41] Speaker 4: Because if that was the case, he would have tried
[39:43] Speaker 4: to win the national title at Old Miss, a place
[39:45] Speaker 4: nobody's ever done it.
[39:47] Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's not about that.
[39:48] Speaker 2: There's no glory in the way that there would be
[39:50] Speaker 2: like an LSU and it's doing it at a huge place.
[39:52] Speaker 4: Yeah, But if you do it at LSU, you just
[39:55] Speaker 4: did what less Miles I'd always Ron and Nick Saban.
[39:58] Speaker 3: Did you do it at Old Miss? Nobody's done at
[40:00] Speaker 3: All Miss.
[40:00] Speaker 4: And on top of it, which ended up doing, is
[40:02] Speaker 4: you quit on the team when they were in the
[40:05] Speaker 4: playoff and going to host a playoff game, like there's
[40:08] Speaker 4: no honor in that in that right, But I don't
[40:12] Speaker 4: think there's.
[40:14] Speaker 2: I mean LSU hasn't hired a coach like that since
[40:16] Speaker 2: Brian Kelly right prepared to quit on a potential playoff
[40:19] Speaker 2: team continue.
[40:20] Speaker 3: How about that?
[40:21] Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean that was you know, not to give
[40:22] Speaker 4: Brian Kelly a ton of ton of c. But that
[40:26] Speaker 4: wasn't the same as things now, Like they had a
[40:28] Speaker 4: chance to make the playoff. This team was going to
[40:30] Speaker 4: host a playoff game, you know, whether he's there or not.
[40:34] Speaker 4: I think that I just don't think how Lane is wired.
[40:39] Speaker 4: It's not about revenge. I just think everything, every like
[40:42] Speaker 4: everything is about Lane. I mean he's the only guy,
[40:45] Speaker 4: you know, you know of some stature who tweets as
[40:50] Speaker 4: much as he does, and tweets like the most random
[40:53] Speaker 4: things about that are like circularly related to him. I
[40:58] Speaker 4: mean it's it's like I have a coach I talked
[41:03] Speaker 4: to who worked with him a long while ago, and
[41:07] Speaker 4: he was like, I don't understand why he's on Twitter
[41:10] Speaker 4: so much. What head coach has time to be doing
[41:13] Speaker 4: all this stuff? Right, Like, It's just it's just like
[41:18] Speaker 4: Lane cannot help himself. Lane is always all about Lane, period.
[41:22] Speaker 4: He can go on a show and bring a running
[41:24] Speaker 4: back on and say all this great stuff or whatever,
[41:27] Speaker 4: but it's all ultimately about framing about Lane and everything.
[41:31] Speaker 1: Else like that, Bruce. From the outside, this was like
[41:35] Speaker 1: a soap opera in college football. Will he go to LSU?
[41:38] Speaker 1: Will he stay at Oldbis Mighty? Go to Florida? Are
[41:41] Speaker 1: there other suitors out there? You hear a lot about
[41:43] Speaker 1: mystery teams. I've been reading about mystery teams. I feel
[41:45] Speaker 1: like for the last two months or so in your mind,
[41:49] Speaker 1: being so, you're much closer to this than Dan and I.
[41:52] Speaker 1: At what point to you, was it a certainty that, oh, yeah,
[41:54] Speaker 1: he's going to go to LSU, Like, never mind the noise,
[41:57] Speaker 1: this is where this guy is going. Everybody, whether they
[41:59] Speaker 1: know it, are sure or not, it's about to be
[42:03] Speaker 1: very real that this is the only place he's going
[42:05] Speaker 1: to end up.
[42:06] Speaker 4: It was maybe almost a week earlier before and somebody
[42:12] Speaker 4: I talked to who is really close to Lane and
[42:15] Speaker 4: knows him well, basically was like, this is what's going
[42:18] Speaker 4: to happen. You know now, like there's a chance Lane
[42:21] Speaker 4: could back out of it, but it made it sound
[42:23] Speaker 4: like this is like, this is what what's going to happen.
[42:26] Speaker 4: And I believe that because a lot of the other
[42:29] Speaker 4: things that that this person a few other people have
[42:32] Speaker 4: told me have gone exactly this way.
[42:35] Speaker 3: So I don't know. Like we went on our big noon.
[42:40] Speaker 4: Show, it was, you know, it's the same day as
[42:42] Speaker 4: Ohio State Michigan, and I would have been stunned from
[42:46] Speaker 4: based on what I heard that morning on the LSU side,
[42:51] Speaker 4: if Lane Kiffen was not going to be the next
[42:53] Speaker 4: head coach at LSU like that.
[42:55] Speaker 3: Was it was.
[42:58] Speaker 4: I mean, you know, I think we reported that they
[43:00] Speaker 4: ELSHU was very confident. I mean it was like they
[43:02] Speaker 4: couldn't have like, I think they would have been shocked
[43:06] Speaker 4: if Lane Kiffen decided to stay in Oxford at that
[43:09] Speaker 4: point based on everything they'd heard.
[43:11] Speaker 1: We told some people in our community that you were
[43:13] Speaker 1: coming on. I put out a call for some questions,
[43:16] Speaker 1: and it actually fits perfectly with what you're saying. Were
[43:20] Speaker 1: there any other any other stunners in your book, either
[43:24] Speaker 1: coaches that ended up at a place that you didn't expect,
[43:27] Speaker 1: Guys that you expected to be on the market who
[43:29] Speaker 1: ended up staying put. Was there anything in this coaching
[43:33] Speaker 1: carousel cycle that surprised you? Maybe above some of the
[43:36] Speaker 1: other stuff that we already know about.
[43:39] Speaker 4: Yeah, if I if you had asked me, you know,
[43:41] Speaker 4: I don't know, Thanksgiving ish, maybe a week four Thanksgiving
[43:46] Speaker 4: where Sean Sumrall going to go, I would have said
[43:48] Speaker 4: to Auburn, not UF. That surprised me, and I think
[43:54] Speaker 4: it worked out really good for UF, to be honest,
[43:58] Speaker 4: I think there was a few other things. I was like, huh,
[44:01] Speaker 4: that's kind of I would not have guessed Bob Chesney
[44:03] Speaker 4: to UCLA just because he's an East Coast guy who's
[44:07] Speaker 4: been at small schools and has never been on.
[44:09] Speaker 3: The West Coast. But you're ula, that's the thing. I mean.
[44:13] Speaker 4: If I was UCLA, I would have gone after the
[44:15] Speaker 4: guy who kicked our butts early in the year, Jason Ck.
[44:18] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[44:19] Speaker 3: I think Jason X is a fantastic coach. I think that.
[44:22] Speaker 4: I'm not saying Chesney's not, but like you saw it
[44:26] Speaker 4: with him, he's been on the West Coast. He's a
[44:29] Speaker 4: big personality. I think he would engage people. You know, again,
[44:33] Speaker 4: I'm not saying Chesney won't can't do well at UCLA,
[44:35] Speaker 4: but I was like, man, Jason Ck would be a
[44:38] Speaker 4: hell of a hire.
[44:38] Speaker 2: If they can find every underrated Lineman, you know, West
[44:41] Speaker 2: of Colorado.
[44:42] Speaker 4: Yeah, and he's I mean, you see the players that
[44:45] Speaker 4: he's evaluated. I mean he almost I don't see almost
[44:48] Speaker 4: beat Dan's beloved Ducks a couple of years ago.
[44:51] Speaker 2: But like he was, he put a scare into them,
[44:53] Speaker 2: Yeah he did.
[44:54] Speaker 4: And that was at Idaho with again and he had
[44:57] Speaker 4: lost almost all his best players had gone in the
[45:00] Speaker 4: portal that you know, it was a new quarterback because
[45:02] Speaker 4: the old you know, all these guys were gone, right,
[45:05] Speaker 4: and he gave them so many problems that you know,
[45:08] Speaker 4: like that's one I would have thought they would have
[45:10] Speaker 4: gone again.
[45:12] Speaker 2: Could be waiting on Wisconsin. I guess that does job.
[45:14] Speaker 4: Yeah, that's his alma mater, you know, like I but
[45:17] Speaker 4: I don't think it was that.
[45:19] Speaker 3: I don't think it was, you know.
[45:20] Speaker 4: Again, there's a few other ones that were kind of surprising.
[45:24] Speaker 4: I think Penn State landed in a good place with
[45:27] Speaker 4: Matt Campbell. Like it got to the point where not
[45:30] Speaker 4: long after they fired James Franklin. I think we had
[45:36] Speaker 4: a Friday night game. We're in studio at Fox and
[45:38] Speaker 4: it's it's Minnesota and Nebraska, and I remember, like I
[45:42] Speaker 4: had to do a couple of Fox hits, and one
[45:44] Speaker 4: of them was about like, well, you just fired Jane
[45:47] Speaker 4: Franklin because you couldn't be top ten teams. And here's
[45:50] Speaker 4: Pat Krafts, one of his best friends, who's like, oh
[45:53] Speaker 4: to thirty against top twenty five teams, and then we
[45:56] Speaker 4: have them and Minnesota just beats the breaks awesome, like
[46:01] Speaker 4: you know, and I feel like on a Friday night game,
[46:03] Speaker 4: more people are paying attention than they are if it
[46:05] Speaker 4: happened on Saturday, because there's other games to distract. It
[46:08] Speaker 4: was like oof, you know. So then the search got
[46:12] Speaker 4: a little got a little crazy.
[46:14] Speaker 1: Can I ask you a question about that? Can you
[46:17] Speaker 1: stress test my theory that I've been running with for
[46:20] Speaker 1: a while because I had people who listen know that
[46:23] Speaker 1: I've been saying this for years on end, but it
[46:25] Speaker 1: had been relayed to me five six years ago that
[46:30] Speaker 1: if and when the Penn stage job came open, it
[46:32] Speaker 1: was going to be Matt Rules to lose. And I
[46:34] Speaker 1: think there's a reason everybody had Matt Rule atop their
[46:36] Speaker 1: list or in their grouping of initial candidates for it,
[46:40] Speaker 1: and so my theory was, well, they were going to
[46:42] Speaker 1: go after Rule. Obviously, the case for Matt Rule bottomed
[46:45] Speaker 1: out almost instantly. The fans didn't want it. His team
[46:48] Speaker 1: didn't play well, quarterback got hurt. He ends up signing
[46:51] Speaker 1: an extension. So that was kind of dead before it
[46:53] Speaker 1: even got started. But then my theory was, all right,
[46:56] Speaker 1: it's rule. Then they're going to go out after the
[46:58] Speaker 1: biggest possible names, the names that are going to move
[47:01] Speaker 1: message boards, the names that are going to get people excited.
[47:03] Speaker 1: They didn't get any of those guys, and then after
[47:05] Speaker 1: that it was a big shrug.
[47:07] Speaker 3: All right.
[47:07] Speaker 1: They ended up apparently going after Kalanisataki. That didn't work.
[47:11] Speaker 1: They end up with Matt Campbell, who basically fell off
[47:13] Speaker 1: the back of a truck to them, which I think
[47:14] Speaker 1: in hindsight's a very very good fit and a great hire.
[47:16] Speaker 1: But is in your opinion, is that an accurate depiction
[47:21] Speaker 1: of what their plan looked like to try and hire
[47:23] Speaker 1: a new guy.
[47:24] Speaker 4: Yeah, I think you summed it up in you know,
[47:26] Speaker 4: ninety seconds or whatever that was. Yes, I would, I would,
[47:29] Speaker 4: I would. I would back that.
[47:32] Speaker 2: When you look around at some of the other hires,
[47:35] Speaker 2: it's sort of all over the place, right there's you know,
[47:37] Speaker 2: g five guys on the move, and you know, Ryan
[47:39] Speaker 2: Selvilfield you mentioned at Florida with John Sumral will Stein
[47:45] Speaker 2: and Tosh Lupoy are both now off of the Oregon staff,
[47:48] Speaker 2: but going to stay on for the playoff. Brian Hartline
[47:51] Speaker 2: is at USF. What's staying on for the playoff? What
[47:56] Speaker 2: was your reaction to some of those hires to big
[48:00] Speaker 2: places obviously in Kentucky, Cal and us F among the
[48:02] Speaker 2: bigger G five places where any of those shockers, how
[48:06] Speaker 2: do you how do you evaluate those processes.
[48:11] Speaker 4: I let me go with like some of the assistants
[48:13] Speaker 4: in the playoffs, I think Tosh at Cal will be interesting.
[48:18] Speaker 4: Tosh is if you said to me, which head coach
[48:21] Speaker 4: fit is the most kind of crystal ball ish. It's
[48:24] Speaker 4: you know, like Tosh feels in that spirit. He's going
[48:28] Speaker 4: to be a recruiting demon. He loves the place.
[48:32] Speaker 3: You know.
[48:32] Speaker 4: It wasn't just like he played there and coach there.
[48:34] Speaker 4: His dad was a GA there. That's an interesting hire. Like,
[48:40] Speaker 4: you know, he's learned under some really good people. I'm
[48:42] Speaker 4: curious to see how he does there. You know, it's
[48:45] Speaker 4: kind of a I don't say it was an obvious hire,
[48:47] Speaker 4: but it was pretty much one you know, we do
[48:49] Speaker 4: our search stories. It was like, oh yeah, I could
[48:51] Speaker 4: definitely see that's the leader you know for that heartline
[48:54] Speaker 4: will be interesting because he's got a lot of ties
[48:56] Speaker 4: in South Florida, obviously recruited bunch of good receivers, most
[49:01] Speaker 4: notably Jeremiah Smith played for the Dolphins. I'm interested to
[49:05] Speaker 4: see how he does as a head coach. You know,
[49:08] Speaker 4: I think for a minute, I was like when West
[49:11] Speaker 4: Virginia was open when rich Rot ended up getting it,
[49:13] Speaker 4: and I was like, that's a spot I could see,
[49:15] Speaker 4: Or Kentucky was a spot I could see for him.
[49:18] Speaker 4: USF's a good job and Goldish you know, made it
[49:21] Speaker 4: better than it was when he found it. So that
[49:25] Speaker 4: one's interesting. Arkansas is a tough one. I like Ryan Soliverfield,
[49:28] Speaker 4: but like, and maybe I'm a little you know, biased
[49:32] Speaker 4: by this. I just spent a month seeing his boss
[49:35] Speaker 4: just kind of you know, vombit on TV.
[49:38] Speaker 3: You know, every Tuesday night, it.
[49:40] Speaker 1: All comes back to Hunter, You're a check.
[49:41] Speaker 4: Yeah, but yeah, I mean it's like it's a tough job,
[49:45] Speaker 4: you know, Like you're at Arkansas. They're the only team
[49:48] Speaker 4: I think since You're a check's been the AD and
[49:50] Speaker 4: the SEC that has not had at least one winning
[49:52] Speaker 4: record in SEC play one year.
[49:55] Speaker 3: I mean he's been there eight years. You know, it's tough.
[49:57] Speaker 4: Chad Morris went from doing a good job at SMU
[50:00] Speaker 4: to couldn't.
[50:00] Speaker 3: Win a game in Fayetteville.
[50:04] Speaker 4: You know, Sam Pittman wasn't a disaster. He did some
[50:07] Speaker 4: good things, had a couple of good years. But I
[50:10] Speaker 4: don't know, that was a tough one.
[50:12] Speaker 3: Again.
[50:12] Speaker 4: I think what's what's going to be interesting with Silverfield
[50:17] Speaker 4: is he's you know, he did well at Memphis and
[50:20] Speaker 4: I think he's a smart guy. But you know, you
[50:22] Speaker 4: have somebody with no SEC experience going in there, right,
[50:26] Speaker 4: and that is a snake pit, right, So we'll see
[50:30] Speaker 4: on that one. There was a few other hires that
[50:32] Speaker 4: were like, I think Memphis made a really good hire
[50:35] Speaker 4: replacing him.
[50:36] Speaker 3: With Charles Huff. Charlestof's really good.
[50:38] Speaker 4: Charles Huff wouldn't have been surprised if he was the
[50:39] Speaker 4: Virginia Tech head coach. You know, I get it why
[50:42] Speaker 4: they hire James Franklin. And but there's you know, like
[50:47] Speaker 4: he's I think a really good coach.
[50:48] Speaker 3: There's a few of them in there.
[50:50] Speaker 4: I'm mentioned to see how Eric Morris does at Oklahoma State.
[50:55] Speaker 3: He's an old Leech guy.
[50:55] Speaker 4: I've known him since he was a since he was
[50:57] Speaker 4: a player for Leech, and I think Eric's smart. I
[51:01] Speaker 4: think Eric's an elite evaluator. I mean I've seen, you know,
[51:05] Speaker 4: been in the room where he's stood on the table
[51:09] Speaker 4: for guys. He's stood on the table for Baker Mayfield
[51:13] Speaker 4: in Coleman when they didn't offer him. You know, they
[51:16] Speaker 4: got to always blank on these kids. It's like Tyler Brugman,
[51:20] Speaker 4: I think was the one. He was a four star
[51:21] Speaker 4: quarterback from from from Arizona who they ended up offering first.
[51:27] Speaker 4: And it was like he wanted Baker and you know
[51:29] Speaker 4: he had cam Ward at Incarnate Word and he obviously
[51:33] Speaker 4: he was the first one to go from a tier outside,
[51:36] Speaker 4: you know, at FBS level, So I think he could
[51:39] Speaker 4: do well at Oklahoma State where they have resources.
[51:42] Speaker 3: There was one other higher.
[51:43] Speaker 4: I was just oh, the one higher, That's the one
[51:46] Speaker 4: that to me is a I don't know that.
[51:50] Speaker 3: I don't feel like it'd sit great.
[51:52] Speaker 4: Was Washington State has been those players in that fan
[51:56] Speaker 4: base has been.
[51:57] Speaker 3: Through a lot over the last like six or seven years.
[52:00] Speaker 4: You go back to you know, one of the you know,
[52:04] Speaker 4: tragedy with a quarterback who you know back. You know,
[52:09] Speaker 4: it's a really sad story. You had a couple other
[52:11] Speaker 4: tragedies with the players. You have Rollovich going in there
[52:16] Speaker 4: and then what happened with him and he gets fired
[52:19] Speaker 4: and it's controversial, and then I thought.
[52:22] Speaker 3: Jake Dickert did a really good job.
[52:24] Speaker 4: And then Dickert leaves right before the Holiday Bowl last
[52:27] Speaker 4: year and they're really fragmented or whatever.
[52:30] Speaker 3: And then they and.
[52:32] Speaker 4: They play their ass off, they give Syracuse a game,
[52:35] Speaker 4: and then Jimmy Rogers, Jimmy Rodgers gets the job and
[52:40] Speaker 4: you think there's going to be some stability there. He's
[52:41] Speaker 4: coming from from the FCS, from a really good school,
[52:46] Speaker 4: and he's not even there a year and he leaves
[52:49] Speaker 4: and you know, here are they're in a bowl game again,
[52:54] Speaker 4: and that that just kind of sucks for Like, I
[52:56] Speaker 4: feel like those players. I get it, people are just
[52:59] Speaker 4: kind of feel loyalties really cliche and everything, but like
[53:02] Speaker 4: they didn't even have an ad.
[53:04] Speaker 2: Right they eighty left for Washington and they lost their
[53:07] Speaker 2: conference in that process as well.
[53:09] Speaker 4: Yeah, oh yeah, Like Clay MacGuire is old leach guy
[53:14] Speaker 4: who was the O line coach the year basically the
[53:18] Speaker 4: conference situation fell apart for them, right right, and so,
[53:23] Speaker 4: and they were a pretty good team, like they they
[53:25] Speaker 4: were not an awful team when dickerd had it there,
[53:28] Speaker 4: like they were, they were a little dangerous, they gave people,
[53:31] Speaker 4: you know, they won some games, and I just remember
[53:33] Speaker 4: him telling me some story about you know, they got
[53:36] Speaker 4: off to a pretty fast start and then they had
[53:38] Speaker 4: a bye week, and the bye week it felt like
[53:40] Speaker 4: that was the week. Oh my god, we're like refugees
[53:44] Speaker 4: right now. We have no no home. We're not a
[53:47] Speaker 4: Pac ten school anymore. We're not a Pac twelve school anymore.
[53:50] Speaker 4: And it was like after that, like every week it
[53:53] Speaker 4: was a different position group that kind of fell apart.
[53:55] Speaker 4: And I remember, like that really resonated with me of
[53:58] Speaker 4: just like what the lack of identity can do to
[54:02] Speaker 4: a program. And I have no idea if there's any
[54:05] Speaker 4: kids who were there from the start of like all
[54:09] Speaker 4: of this between the player tragedies and you know, and
[54:12] Speaker 4: the conference bailing out. But just like, man, that the
[54:16] Speaker 4: fans I know are the fans because I know they're loyal,
[54:19] Speaker 4: because I you know, we did a bunch of swingers
[54:21] Speaker 4: stored up stuff up there, and I really feel for
[54:25] Speaker 4: the fans on that because they've they've been through it.
[54:28] Speaker 4: I know there's some of them probably didn't like Jimmy
[54:31] Speaker 4: Rodgers the way he handled the quarterback situation. You know,
[54:34] Speaker 4: in the first month, maybe picked the wrong guy, and
[54:37] Speaker 4: then you know, they found a way to get I mean, look,
[54:40] Speaker 4: they could have beat this is a crazy thing with them.
[54:43] Speaker 4: They could have beat Ole miss they had them on
[54:44] Speaker 4: the ropes, could have beat James Madison as well as Virginia.
[54:48] Speaker 4: They probably should have won two of those three games.
[54:51] Speaker 4: So I was kind of like when I saw that,
[54:55] Speaker 4: especially as quickly as he was leaving, it was like, oh,
[54:58] Speaker 4: Matt Campbell's going to do his play meeting, and now
[55:02] Speaker 4: right after that, Jimmy Rodgers doing his player meeting. He's
[55:04] Speaker 4: getting back out and he's he's going to Ames.
[55:06] Speaker 1: So they announced Jimmy Rodgers at Iowa State before Penn
[55:09] Speaker 1: State announced Matt Campbell. Yeah, they wasted no time.
[55:13] Speaker 2: Is there a new calculus in the way, like coaches
[55:15] Speaker 2: are weighing opportunities in twenty twenty five, twenty six with
[55:19] Speaker 2: you know, you lose a coach and you're gonna lose
[55:21] Speaker 2: a bunch of players for the portal. So then a
[55:23] Speaker 2: coach immediately has to either bring guys in the portal
[55:25] Speaker 2: or convinced guys to come out of the portal. You
[55:27] Speaker 2: have to hire a bigger staff than you've ever had
[55:29] Speaker 2: to hire as a head coach if you're going to
[55:30] Speaker 2: one of these major places. And we've seen like reported
[55:33] Speaker 2: interest in like huge coaching names across the sport who've
[55:38] Speaker 2: just all kind of for the most part, ignored that
[55:40] Speaker 2: interest or politely declined that interest. In the most recent
[55:44] Speaker 2: one was like Kalani Sataki a Byu. We've seen like
[55:46] Speaker 2: Kaylin Debor and Dan Landing and Josh Hipel, all these guys.
[55:50] Speaker 2: What's the calculus in making decisions today versus you know,
[55:53] Speaker 2: ten years ago.
[55:55] Speaker 4: I think they know that if I don't get it
[55:57] Speaker 4: going here quick, I'm going to be on the high
[56:00] Speaker 4: they'll pay a big buyout, they'll get rid of me.
[56:02] Speaker 4: And I also think, because you know, players are movable, right,
[56:08] Speaker 4: we saw this like this Signetti Indiana thing has been
[56:13] Speaker 4: an amazing story, but it's also put everybody on the
[56:17] Speaker 4: clock because you're like that guy wanted a program that
[56:19] Speaker 4: was three and nine.
[56:21] Speaker 3: He took a bunch of his players.
[56:22] Speaker 4: It was different than what you could do in two
[56:24] Speaker 4: thousand and six or something.
[56:26] Speaker 3: You can't pluck off your old roster.
[56:29] Speaker 4: I think that changes things, and so it also honestly
[56:33] Speaker 4: changed the calculus and some of the hiring process, where,
[56:37] Speaker 4: you know, I talked to several different people who are
[56:40] Speaker 4: involved in coaching searches like can he bring players right?
[56:44] Speaker 4: Like that was never a thing before. Now it's a
[56:46] Speaker 4: real thing, and so I think all that stuff factors
[56:50] Speaker 4: into it. You hear a lot about the calendar and everything,
[56:52] Speaker 4: but like that also, you know, honestly made you know,
[56:55] Speaker 4: could go back to Elaine Kiffin situation for a second,
[56:57] Speaker 4: but also made that more complicated. It's like, oh, yeah,
[56:59] Speaker 4: do you really like I have a good friend who
[57:02] Speaker 4: covers NFL. He was like, oh, I think they should
[57:04] Speaker 4: have just let him coach, And I was like, yeah,
[57:05] Speaker 4: you know, he would have recruited every player he wanted
[57:08] Speaker 4: a player you w off that And the guy was like,
[57:10] Speaker 4: you don't think he did that already, and I'm like, no,
[57:12] Speaker 4: he probably did. But I think it's a little more
[57:15] Speaker 4: different when you know you're have the job and it's
[57:18] Speaker 4: more transparent, and it's just like any pretense is out
[57:21] Speaker 4: the window.
[57:22] Speaker 2: What is the reaction in the coaching community obviously, because
[57:26] Speaker 2: you are in this world all year long. You mentioned
[57:29] Speaker 2: Kurt Signetti. Kurt Signetti is a unicorn in this sport.
[57:34] Speaker 2: In that, as you mentioned, as we all know now
[57:37] Speaker 2: as the number one team in the College Football Playoff,
[57:39] Speaker 2: he went to a place that is the losingest place
[57:41] Speaker 2: in the Big Ten and turned them into the most
[57:43] Speaker 2: dangerous team in the conference in less than two years.
[57:47] Speaker 2: Right that he wins the Big Ten title over a
[57:50] Speaker 2: recruiting and winning juggernaut in Ohio State. Is the reaction
[57:54] Speaker 2: in the coaching community like who the hell is this guy?
[57:57] Speaker 1: Like?
[57:58] Speaker 2: Is there confusion? Is they were like, yeah, we knew
[58:00] Speaker 2: this guy was a killer the whole time, and somebody
[58:02] Speaker 2: just figured it out. Like what what was his reputation
[58:06] Speaker 2: going in? Are coaches? You know, ads ga? Whoever? Are
[58:10] Speaker 2: people shocked at this or were they, like everybody else,
[58:14] Speaker 2: just finally caught up.
[58:16] Speaker 3: I think they're impressed by it.
[58:18] Speaker 4: It depends on the guys who know him, you know,
[58:20] Speaker 4: like Norm Chow, who I still keep in touch with
[58:22] Speaker 4: because we lived not that far apart. He was He
[58:26] Speaker 4: was Norm Chow's tight ends coach at NC State when
[58:28] Speaker 4: Chow was the offensive coordinator and they had Philip Rivers.
[58:33] Speaker 3: Right, so you know, like that was back in the day.
[58:36] Speaker 4: And he was like, yeah, he was always really you
[58:37] Speaker 4: talk to people, he was always really smart. That's what
[58:39] Speaker 4: they would always say. I think, what what you know again,
[58:45] Speaker 4: son of a coach. There's a person that I talked
[58:48] Speaker 4: to who made a great comparison with him once and
[58:51] Speaker 4: he was like, because I said, do you think it's
[58:54] Speaker 4: a little contrived? You know, the Google me stuff and
[58:57] Speaker 4: different things he will say. And this person was like,
[59:00] Speaker 4: he reminds me a lot of Jim Harbaugh in that
[59:04] Speaker 4: he will say some crazy stuff, but it's authentic and
[59:07] Speaker 4: players will players will go to battle for that because,
[59:10] Speaker 4: oh man, he's got our back. And I think that
[59:13] Speaker 4: was when I heard that. I was like, yeah, that
[59:15] Speaker 4: there's something there to that. And then the thing that
[59:19] Speaker 4: doesn't get said enough is he has to be a
[59:25] Speaker 4: you know, and he was a recruiting coordinator for a
[59:27] Speaker 4: long time, but he has to be a brilliant evaluator,
[59:31] Speaker 4: not just of players.
[59:32] Speaker 3: And you look Bryant Haynes, the defensive coordinator.
[59:36] Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know if I've had more than like,
[59:39] Speaker 4: you know, two sentence of conversation with him. It's not
[59:41] Speaker 4: like I know him particularly well, but the job that
[59:44] Speaker 4: guy's done, like he.
[59:45] Speaker 3: Should win the Broyles Award this year.
[59:47] Speaker 4: I mean there's other guys who've done really good job too,
[59:50] Speaker 4: but like, I mean, Dan, your team had only given
[59:54] Speaker 4: up one sack, and then they went in there and
[59:56] Speaker 4: Dante Moros on his back a half dozen times.
[59:59] Speaker 3: Julian's saying, they played.
[1:00:00] Speaker 2: Thirteen off points against Indiana. Oregon did thirteen offensive. Yeah,
[1:00:04] Speaker 2: a wild performance was great at their place.
[1:00:07] Speaker 4: At their point, and then Julian's saying, humming along or whatever,
[1:00:11] Speaker 4: they sack him five times, you know, just like the
[1:00:15] Speaker 4: offense coordinator Mike Shanahan, you know, old Wansta guy, not
[1:00:18] Speaker 4: even old. I mean, these guys are young guys. But
[1:00:20] Speaker 4: he has put together a really really good staff. I
[1:00:23] Speaker 4: think he evaluated really well on both player and coach.
[1:00:29] Speaker 4: And so it's an amazing story, you know, Like it's
[1:00:33] Speaker 4: already like Stu once brought up the you know, because
[1:00:37] Speaker 4: he's a Northwestern guy, brought up the Gary Barnett year
[1:00:39] Speaker 4: or whatever, and I was like, yeah, this is not that.
[1:00:43] Speaker 4: I mean, you know, like because you were not you know,
[1:00:45] Speaker 4: you were a top ten team that year, they were
[1:00:48] Speaker 4: a top ten team, but they didn't just beat You know,
[1:00:50] Speaker 4: they have the two most impressive wins of anybody this year.
[1:00:53] Speaker 2: They suffocated two top five teams.
[1:00:55] Speaker 4: And either one was in Bloomington by the way, yeah
[1:00:57] Speaker 4: way from Bianna. But yeah, so man, hats off to
[1:01:02] Speaker 4: him because they were really good last year, but they
[1:01:05] Speaker 4: weren't this good. And now they're they're different, they're more mature,
[1:01:08] Speaker 4: they're better in the trenches. I mean, it's just it's
[1:01:12] Speaker 4: an amazing story. And I mean, we'll see. I mean,
[1:01:17] Speaker 4: I wouldn't be shocked if they won the national title.
[1:01:19] Speaker 3: Like, but.
[1:01:23] Speaker 4: You know, whoever gets to write his leadership book is
[1:01:25] Speaker 4: going to be very happy.
[1:01:28] Speaker 2: Right, Bruce.
[1:01:29] Speaker 1: I have a two part question just about the coaching
[1:01:32] Speaker 1: carousel as a whole. This cycle had been billed as
[1:01:37] Speaker 1: one of the craziest that any of us would ever see,
[1:01:40] Speaker 1: and certainly there was a lot of movement. There were
[1:01:41] Speaker 1: a bunch of openings, right, How did it compare two
[1:01:46] Speaker 1: previous cycles in your estimation? Was it as crazy as
[1:01:51] Speaker 1: it had been billed as I guess in the run
[1:01:54] Speaker 1: up to it, or did it just end up going
[1:01:58] Speaker 1: sort of the way that others have gone, and it
[1:02:00] Speaker 1: kind of comes in very quickly and then it's over
[1:02:02] Speaker 1: before you know it, Like, how does it compare relative
[1:02:05] Speaker 1: to expectations?
[1:02:06] Speaker 3: It's a good way you frame that.
[1:02:08] Speaker 4: I think it's crazy, but it was mostly crazy because
[1:02:12] Speaker 4: of the Lane piece of it, you know, and because
[1:02:15] Speaker 4: Lane does everything so public and on social media. You know,
[1:02:19] Speaker 4: A couple of years ago, wasn't that long ago, it's
[1:02:21] Speaker 4: probably four years ago. I remember this kind of sequence,
[1:02:26] Speaker 4: you know, over the weekend. I remember getting a tip
[1:02:31] Speaker 4: that Lincoln Riley was not as might be in play
[1:02:35] Speaker 4: at USC right, and then all of a sudden it
[1:02:37] Speaker 4: was like he's telling, you know, telling people at Oklahoma
[1:02:39] Speaker 4: this is what's going on, and everything he goes. So
[1:02:43] Speaker 4: like the next day, I think there there's a there's
[1:02:45] Speaker 4: an introduction at the coliseum, and I remember going over
[1:02:49] Speaker 4: there with Linert and it's me Lioner Liner's wife and
[1:02:53] Speaker 4: Lionert's son, Cole, who's like now going to go play
[1:02:57] Speaker 4: quarterback at SEMU.
[1:02:58] Speaker 3: It's not like he's like a ten year old.
[1:02:59] Speaker 4: And so we're in the car and I'm in the
[1:03:01] Speaker 4: back and I remember I'm on the phone with Pete Samson,
[1:03:04] Speaker 4: our Notre Dame writer, and I told him, you know,
[1:03:08] Speaker 4: somebody I trust said, hey, they're offering.
[1:03:12] Speaker 3: The job, and they being LSU to Brian Kelly.
[1:03:18] Speaker 4: And so we are like in the ride over to
[1:03:20] Speaker 4: the coliseum, we are posting a story about that Brian
[1:03:24] Speaker 4: Kelly's getting offered the LSU job, and that's the next day.
[1:03:29] Speaker 3: That's like the day of and then so in a
[1:03:32] Speaker 3: spend of like three days.
[1:03:33] Speaker 4: Because I remembered this, like Lincoln Riley's agent at the
[1:03:37] Speaker 4: time was Brian Kelly's agent, who at the time also
[1:03:40] Speaker 4: was was Sunny Dyke's agent. So you had those three
[1:03:45] Speaker 4: things happen in a row. It was like and I remember,
[1:03:48] Speaker 4: like I know l SHO was after USC, maybe TCU
[1:03:51] Speaker 4: was before it, somewhere in that. But you had I
[1:03:54] Speaker 4: think the two like whoe jolts of Lincoln going to
[1:04:01] Speaker 4: USC and Brian Kelly going where you know, like that
[1:04:05] Speaker 4: to me was much more of a shock than Lane's
[1:04:08] Speaker 4: Lanes leading. You know, I don't think in the end,
[1:04:12] Speaker 4: if I asked you guys and put down like a scorecard,
[1:04:16] Speaker 4: going okay, these are the jobs that are coming open,
[1:04:19] Speaker 4: I don't think either one of you would have been
[1:04:21] Speaker 4: that shocked that Matt Campbell ended up at Penn State.
[1:04:24] Speaker 1: No, No, And.
[1:04:25] Speaker 4: I don't think either one of you would have been
[1:04:26] Speaker 4: shocked that Lane Kiffin ended up at LSU.
[1:04:30] Speaker 3: Yeah, Florida or LSU or whatever.
[1:04:32] Speaker 2: Aburn and LSU is bigger. Yeah.
[1:04:35] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[1:04:35] Speaker 4: So so in the end, I don't think those were
[1:04:38] Speaker 4: like they weren't as shocking as what happened whatever it
[1:04:42] Speaker 4: was four years ago, right, And I'm sure there was
[1:04:44] Speaker 4: some other pieces in that, Like I think that was
[1:04:48] Speaker 4: the same year that like, you know, I want to
[1:04:51] Speaker 4: say Fickle went to Wisconsin.
[1:04:53] Speaker 2: I mean that wasn't Landing to Oregon? Was that year too? Right?
[1:04:56] Speaker 2: Didn't Landing and Lincoln start the same year?
[1:04:58] Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that would be right. So, and that
[1:05:01] Speaker 4: was a weird one just in that there was some
[1:05:05] Speaker 4: weird stuff with with with how.
[1:05:07] Speaker 3: That unfolded with Georgia.
[1:05:09] Speaker 4: And I mean, I don't remember the specifics one just
[1:05:12] Speaker 4: kind of like remember some of the wrong stuff with Lantic,
[1:05:16] Speaker 4: But yeah, that was another one that that that you know,
[1:05:21] Speaker 4: folded into that. So you know, we've definitely had some
[1:05:24] Speaker 4: nutty coaching cycles. And to be honest, like this isn't
[1:05:28] Speaker 4: even this isn't even the top the craziest Lane coaching story,
[1:05:33] Speaker 4: I mean fair, you know, like Lane to USC is
[1:05:38] Speaker 4: crazier than Lane to l s U.
[1:05:41] Speaker 1: Yes, right after a year you bring up Lincoln, I'll
[1:05:44] Speaker 1: ask you about it because he was sort of the
[1:05:48] Speaker 1: topic du jour for a while. There was smoke around
[1:05:50] Speaker 1: him being a mystery candidate here or there or really everywhere.
[1:05:54] Speaker 1: Was any of that believable to you?
[1:05:58] Speaker 3: It was not. I mean, it was doubtful to me.
[1:06:01] Speaker 3: Just here's what I think. I know. Again, I say
[1:06:03] Speaker 3: I think I know.
[1:06:04] Speaker 4: I think Lincoln's family loves it out here in southern California.
[1:06:09] Speaker 4: I don't in I think Lincoln's a little different than
[1:06:13] Speaker 4: some like I. You know, I'm not trying to portray
[1:06:15] Speaker 4: other coaches as bad parents and Lincoln as something so
[1:06:20] Speaker 4: different from But like, I think he has awareness of
[1:06:23] Speaker 4: like my family loves it out.
[1:06:25] Speaker 3: Here, I got it pretty good.
[1:06:27] Speaker 4: I don't know if Lincoln wants to be in a
[1:06:29] Speaker 4: fish bowl of a small college town where everybody's all
[1:06:34] Speaker 4: over your business. He was kind of had that to
[1:06:36] Speaker 4: some degree in Norman. It's worse in a lot of
[1:06:38] Speaker 4: other places, I believe, and I don't think he wants
[1:06:41] Speaker 4: that existence, you know, And he's also making a fortune
[1:06:48] Speaker 4: he has, then they ended up signing the number one
[1:06:51] Speaker 4: ranked recruiting class. I don't know if he can win
[1:06:53] Speaker 4: a national title here. I don't know if you could
[1:06:55] Speaker 4: win a national title. You know, you pick the place.
[1:06:58] Speaker 4: But like I think, all things being equal, I think
[1:07:02] Speaker 4: he's It would have surprised me if he would have
[1:07:04] Speaker 4: gone just to Penn State or if he would have
[1:07:07] Speaker 4: gone to Gainesville. I just I just think, after you
[1:07:12] Speaker 4: know their experience here, I don't think that that was
[1:07:16] Speaker 4: something that he or they probably would have really wanted. Again,
[1:07:20] Speaker 4: I no one's told me that, But like that's my
[1:07:22] Speaker 4: gut on this.
[1:07:24] Speaker 1: Do you believe that the coaching carousel is done spinning
[1:07:28] Speaker 1: or there are other things hanging out there with the
[1:07:30] Speaker 1: NFL with god knows what? It feels like every offseason
[1:07:33] Speaker 1: we have some new wrinkle that nobody saw coming. We're
[1:07:37] Speaker 1: recording this December the tenth. Are we done?
[1:07:41] Speaker 4: You know? Right before you said that, I look down
[1:07:42] Speaker 4: at my little calendar as like it's only December.
[1:07:44] Speaker 3: Tenth, you know about at that point exactly?
[1:07:46] Speaker 4: So No, No, there's going to be something that's going
[1:07:49] Speaker 4: to happen that'll be seismic. I think I don't know
[1:07:53] Speaker 4: what it is, Okay, you know, like people have like
[1:07:55] Speaker 4: rumored about Sark and there's been pushback on that. I
[1:07:59] Speaker 4: don't you know, like there'll be other things that will happen,
[1:08:02] Speaker 4: but I don't think you're talking about like the Coastal
[1:08:04] Speaker 4: Carolina job is not going to create this big no
[1:08:06] Speaker 4: distrest domino effect to the but yeah, no disrespect to
[1:08:10] Speaker 4: them or Missouri State or whatever else is going to fall.
[1:08:13] Speaker 4: But like, you know, there'll be, you know, something something right, Like,
[1:08:18] Speaker 4: I mean, all this there's a lot of stuff that's happened.
[1:08:19] Speaker 3: We don't even like mention like Pat Fitzgerald is you know,
[1:08:22] Speaker 3: coaching right, I was going to ask you, Yeah, So it's.
[1:08:25] Speaker 4: Just there's just a lot of I don't know, it's
[1:08:27] Speaker 4: still kind of early, and I don't know who's movable
[1:08:31] Speaker 4: for the NFL, you know, like, but there may be somebody.
[1:08:37] Speaker 2: So not to give away your game because this is
[1:08:39] Speaker 2: an annual column, but based on what happened this season
[1:08:42] Speaker 2: with head coaches with assistant coaches, who are the names
[1:08:46] Speaker 2: that have started bubbling up for the future. You know,
[1:08:49] Speaker 2: we've seen some of these names repeatedly, and you're Glenn
[1:08:51] Speaker 2: Schumann's name comes up a bunch, right that. When you
[1:08:54] Speaker 2: have a defense as good as he's had at Georgia,
[1:08:56] Speaker 2: you're just going to get attention. Are there any new
[1:08:59] Speaker 2: names that you feel like are bubbling up in the
[1:09:02] Speaker 2: coaching community.
[1:09:04] Speaker 4: I mean there's some guys that started to get a
[1:09:06] Speaker 4: little bit of traction around, but I don't know, you
[1:09:10] Speaker 4: know that I feel like that pool has been tapped out,
[1:09:13] Speaker 4: you know, pretty good.
[1:09:14] Speaker 3: You know, Like you mentioned will.
[1:09:16] Speaker 4: Stein, he was he was I think going to be
[1:09:18] Speaker 4: kind of choosy, you know, Tosh made sense that.
[1:09:22] Speaker 3: I think more more coordinators.
[1:09:25] Speaker 4: Got hired, you know, in the last couple of weeks,
[1:09:28] Speaker 4: and I think we expected them to Tosh to Cal
[1:09:31] Speaker 4: once that job came open.
[1:09:32] Speaker 3: I was like, Okay, I totally see that, you.
[1:09:35] Speaker 4: Know, Heartline, it had to be a pretty good situation.
[1:09:38] Speaker 4: I think that was a good situation. And then you
[1:09:40] Speaker 4: start looking around, like a lot of the coordinators that
[1:09:44] Speaker 4: you would think would be you know, like, look at
[1:09:47] Speaker 4: who's up for the Broyles list. Except for Brian Haynes.
[1:09:49] Speaker 4: It's a lot of you know, it seems like it's
[1:09:51] Speaker 4: a lot of old It's Mike Bobo, it's more established
[1:09:54] Speaker 4: older guys and I think sometimes those are guys who
[1:09:57] Speaker 4: usually aren't getting the first time head coaching job. So
[1:10:00] Speaker 4: you know, again, I think that we'll see what comes
[1:10:05] Speaker 4: out of like the playoff run of of who ends
[1:10:08] Speaker 4: up being guys people look at. But I also think
[1:10:10] Speaker 4: what's added to this is again a little of the
[1:10:13] Speaker 4: signetty piece of this and put this on him is
[1:10:16] Speaker 4: you have some smaller school guys who are now people
[1:10:19] Speaker 4: are like, oh, I see what's going on with Willie Fritz.
[1:10:21] Speaker 4: New Years at Houston was pretty good and that guy
[1:10:24] Speaker 4: wins wherever he goes. So here so Mike Jacobs, like
[1:10:27] Speaker 4: we got asked to do. I don't want to say
[1:10:28] Speaker 4: this is a dumb thing, because it actually was smart.
[1:10:30] Speaker 4: I just didn't think it was like who would be
[1:10:33] Speaker 4: like kind of like one of the guys to watch.
[1:10:35] Speaker 3: And I remember we got Jason Kirk.
[1:10:37] Speaker 4: I think you guys know who that is, right, So
[1:10:39] Speaker 4: he he had he had had me and Vinie Chris Nini.
[1:10:43] Speaker 4: I forget who else you know submit names? And the
[1:10:46] Speaker 4: guy I submitted was like the coach at Mercert, the
[1:10:49] Speaker 4: coach of Mercer anymore. He's just got the Toledo job.
[1:10:51] Speaker 4: As you know, he coached at a Notre Dame, but
[1:10:54] Speaker 4: not the Notre Dame that we were talking about in
[1:10:56] Speaker 4: Notre Dame that doesn't even exist anymore.
[1:10:59] Speaker 3: He was an assist than that.
[1:11:00] Speaker 4: I think you're seeing more of that path, whether it's
[1:11:05] Speaker 4: Bob Chesney, you know, like there's there's more of those
[1:11:08] Speaker 4: guys now getting getting interest because people are like, oh, yeah,
[1:11:13] Speaker 4: that guy's a good coach and he's learned when nobody
[1:11:15] Speaker 4: was really paying attention at places and maybe made mistakes
[1:11:18] Speaker 4: when nobody's paid attention as opposed to like the guys
[1:11:21] Speaker 4: who were you know, who were on the move and
[1:11:25] Speaker 4: then either had a bad year or you know, it
[1:11:28] Speaker 4: took a step back, like because that can definitely happen
[1:11:31] Speaker 4: when you're a coordinator. I mean, Tim banks Is it
[1:11:35] Speaker 4: just got fired at Tennessee a year ago. He had
[1:11:37] Speaker 4: the number five defense in the country, right and they
[1:11:40] Speaker 4: lose to NFL d linemen and a and their best
[1:11:43] Speaker 4: corner to injury, and you know, they're probably in the
[1:11:46] Speaker 4: sixties and he gets fired. You know, like it's just
[1:11:48] Speaker 4: kind of like that's the that's that world. When they're
[1:11:51] Speaker 4: paying you, you know, one point five two point five
[1:11:53] Speaker 4: million dollars to be a coordinator.
[1:11:55] Speaker 2: Final question, what is something that people should be keeping
[1:11:58] Speaker 2: in mind when they were paying attention to this season,
[1:12:01] Speaker 2: this coaching season, or any coaching season, right, Like people
[1:12:05] Speaker 2: like why would he go to here? Why would he stay?
[1:12:07] Speaker 1: What?
[1:12:08] Speaker 4: Like?
[1:12:08] Speaker 2: Is it all just like how happy your family is?
[1:12:10] Speaker 2: Is it all just how well of a like relationship
[1:12:12] Speaker 2: you have with your boss? Like people are very quick
[1:12:16] Speaker 2: to sort of like do the binary. Is this job
[1:12:18] Speaker 2: better than this job? In my opinion? What what gets
[1:12:22] Speaker 2: ignored or what? What is something that people are just
[1:12:24] Speaker 2: gonna have no idea about that? What goes into these decisions?
[1:12:27] Speaker 4: I really think it's a one size fits all. It's
[1:12:30] Speaker 4: like it's not one size fits all. I think everybody
[1:12:32] Speaker 4: has their own different rationale for what they what they want,
[1:12:36] Speaker 4: you know, what they think works for them. I think
[1:12:39] Speaker 4: that people have seen oh, like, you know, this may
[1:12:44] Speaker 4: not have worked there, but it can, you know, it can.
[1:12:47] Speaker 4: It's interesting you look at like Jim Mora is back,
[1:12:51] Speaker 4: you know, to Colorado State. He did an amazing job
[1:12:53] Speaker 4: at Yukon, right, And I think that people are out
[1:12:57] Speaker 4: there going, Okay, what's going to work here? And if
[1:13:02] Speaker 4: it doesn't, we're gonna have to pay the money to
[1:13:04] Speaker 4: get rid of this guy or whatever. But I don't
[1:13:06] Speaker 4: think it's like, oh, you know, is my family happiest?
[1:13:11] Speaker 4: You know, like if you go back to Kiffen for
[1:13:13] Speaker 4: a second, it just seem like the Kiffin group, you know, him,
[1:13:18] Speaker 4: his brother's family, his ex wife is there, his kids.
[1:13:22] Speaker 4: Seemed like everything was pretty good. Doesn't mean it can't
[1:13:24] Speaker 4: get better in Baton rouge, but you are, you know,
[1:13:30] Speaker 4: like changing the equation on that.
[1:13:31] Speaker 3: And I just think that at the end of the day, you.
[1:13:35] Speaker 4: Know, most of these guys got in to be football coaches,
[1:13:38] Speaker 4: and I think the hardest thing is if you're the
[1:13:41] Speaker 4: you know, the coach's family, coach's wife, you're you know,
[1:13:45] Speaker 4: you just don't know what you're getting into, right.
[1:13:46] Speaker 2: Chris Peterson's done, by the way.
[1:13:49] Speaker 3: Yes, I can't tell you how many times I.
[1:13:51] Speaker 2: Get asked, but I mean sitting next to him so
[1:13:54] Speaker 2: you would.
[1:13:54] Speaker 4: Know, Oh, it's so funny because like he's just like
[1:13:57] Speaker 4: he'll like roll his eyes and be like what now, Yeah,
[1:14:03] Speaker 4: my Stanford buddies think you're interested in that. And I
[1:14:06] Speaker 4: don't want to do his facial expressions on some of these,
[1:14:08] Speaker 4: I like I've.
[1:14:09] Speaker 3: Got a few of them now.
[1:14:12] Speaker 4: But he's He's an interesting guy to work with because, like,
[1:14:15] Speaker 4: on one hand, he's definitely the smartest football guy I've
[1:14:18] Speaker 4: ever talked to. Like he just like he has pretty
[1:14:23] Speaker 4: much the answers almost everything you could ever wonder about
[1:14:26] Speaker 4: or get into a conversation about. Right, But also I
[1:14:29] Speaker 4: think he's self aware enough to go, yeah, I'm not
[1:14:30] Speaker 4: going back to being in that world because it's not healthy.
[1:14:34] Speaker 2: For me, not even like a different way. I mean,
[1:14:36] Speaker 2: I think it was your story where you talked about
[1:14:37] Speaker 2: he would be more likely to take like the receiver's
[1:14:40] Speaker 2: job at UC Davis than a major head coaching job
[1:14:42] Speaker 2: something like that.
[1:14:43] Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't think at the stage of you know,
[1:14:45] Speaker 4: his his life, you know, that's him.
[1:14:47] Speaker 2: I think he should just he should show up after
[1:14:50] Speaker 2: springball at who, like, is it Pete Davis the defensive
[1:14:53] Speaker 2: line sort of consultants? You should just is that his name?
[1:14:56] Speaker 2: I apologize if I got it wrong, the LSU defensive line.
[1:14:59] Speaker 3: Oh no, no, no, not Davis.
[1:15:00] Speaker 4: He's been he's like eighty eight years old.
[1:15:05] Speaker 2: Right, all right, I remember, And he would just come
[1:15:06] Speaker 2: in and be like, this is what's wrong?
[1:15:07] Speaker 3: Well, he's an only saving guy.
[1:15:09] Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know people by the flip side of that,
[1:15:11] Speaker 4: I don't know if a lot of the coaches love that.
[1:15:13] Speaker 4: Where we stopped doing that stuff like eighteen years ago.
[1:15:17] Speaker 1: Okay, this is why.
[1:15:18] Speaker 3: But I think where he's really good is he's.
[1:15:22] Speaker 4: A good resource to a lot of coaches and it's
[1:15:24] Speaker 4: not just like I think, it's less less about the
[1:15:26] Speaker 4: X and o's and more like the managing and the balance. Yeah, okay, yeah,
[1:15:32] Speaker 4: so he's Yeah. I hope he doesn't leave Fox just
[1:15:35] Speaker 4: because I'm feel like we're very spoiled to have him.
[1:15:38] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[1:15:39] Speaker 4: Great, Yeah, so somebody decides to pry him away, they
[1:15:43] Speaker 4: better have like a donuts donuts deal for him, because
[1:15:47] Speaker 4: he is too Yes.
[1:15:49] Speaker 1: I remember you, Intel, I remember you coming on this
[1:15:51] Speaker 1: show a couple of years ago, and I forget why
[1:15:54] Speaker 1: we brought up Chris Peterson, but you were like, well,
[1:15:56] Speaker 1: people don't know about Chris Peterson. A. He's probably not
[1:15:59] Speaker 1: going to take another be he's really freaking funny. People
[1:16:02] Speaker 1: don't realize how funny of the guy this guy is.
[1:16:05] Speaker 4: Yeah, A lot of the stuff I got to keep
[1:16:07] Speaker 4: in there. The one the thing I will say though,
[1:16:10] Speaker 4: is the sweet tooth thing. This year has been interesting
[1:16:12] Speaker 4: to see.
[1:16:13] Speaker 3: It's just like, I think he's the only person like
[1:16:16] Speaker 3: he has one thing in common with Andy Staples, and
[1:16:19] Speaker 3: it's this.
[1:16:19] Speaker 4: I've each asked a question of if it was for charity,
[1:16:23] Speaker 4: how much of that do you think you could eat?
[1:16:27] Speaker 2: And what was his answer? How many glazed donuts could
[1:16:29] Speaker 2: he pass?
[1:16:29] Speaker 4: It wasn't the glazed donuts. There's you know, the sidecard
[1:16:32] Speaker 4: donut plays sure, of course. So every Saturday they have
[1:16:36] Speaker 4: like this, like it's almost a coffin sized box of
[1:16:40] Speaker 4: different and I was like, man, you just can't stop.
[1:16:44] Speaker 4: And it's like it's like half them are half eat crazy.
[1:16:47] Speaker 3: He's sampling.
[1:16:48] Speaker 2: So oh man, that's good intel. Though, if a coach
[1:16:51] Speaker 2: wants to really like sell him, have a donut wall
[1:16:54] Speaker 2: in his office constantly being refilled, and it's probably gonna
[1:16:56] Speaker 2: be terrible for your team, but it's a good, good
[1:16:59] Speaker 2: bit of about you.
[1:16:59] Speaker 4: Just have usually have worse vices than that. And the
[1:17:03] Speaker 4: daddy and say bowls. So although he although he I
[1:17:07] Speaker 4: think he refers to him as he doesn't know that
[1:17:10] Speaker 4: how to pronounce it. So it sounds like a former
[1:17:13] Speaker 4: Ucile a tight end new transferred from from Michigan.
[1:17:16] Speaker 3: There.
[1:17:16] Speaker 2: Yeah, I like that.
[1:17:18] Speaker 1: Wonderful His name is Bruce Felman. He could find his
[1:17:20] Speaker 1: fine work over at Fox Sports, as well as over
[1:17:23] Speaker 1: at The Athletic, where he also does a podcast called
[1:17:26] Speaker 1: The Audible. Bruce, keep up the good work. It is
[1:17:29] Speaker 1: a pleasure as always to catch up with you. You
[1:17:31] Speaker 1: make us smarter and we'll have to do it again
[1:17:33] Speaker 1: sometime soon.
[1:17:34] Speaker 3: I appreciate it, guys. Always a pleasure. Ty.
[1:17:37] Speaker 4: Just know that you have been a great resource to
[1:17:39] Speaker 4: the audible with your with your market awareness.
[1:17:44] Speaker 2: And that's true, you know, And.
[1:17:46] Speaker 4: Dan, I tell everybody that that it ever comes up,
[1:17:50] Speaker 4: you know, like I had the best meal I've ever had, WHOA,
[1:17:53] Speaker 4: the best pizza I've ever had by far, the best
[1:17:55] Speaker 4: salad and crew toons I've ever had.
[1:17:57] Speaker 2: So anytime, anytime you're in town Northwestern, Look, they're a
[1:18:01] Speaker 2: bold team. I think I think they're a bold team. Yeah,
[1:18:03] Speaker 2: they are. The things are brother, There's a new stadium
[1:18:06] Speaker 2: this year to come check out. It's I'm not far
[1:18:08] Speaker 2: from there. Anytime you are vaguely in Chicago Land, come through.
[1:18:14] Speaker 3: I will definitely take you up on that.
[1:18:16] Speaker 1: All right, there we go again, Bruce Veltman. Check him
[1:18:18] Speaker 1: out over at Fox Sports The Athletic. Check out the
[1:18:21] Speaker 1: audible podcast, which he does with our friends Stuart Mandel
[1:18:25] Speaker 1: and Ralph Ruce, so they are always good to have
[1:18:27] Speaker 1: Bruce back on. I think we've told the story more
[1:18:30] Speaker 1: times than I could count at this point, but back
[1:18:32] Speaker 1: when we were first starting out in the Year of
[1:18:35] Speaker 1: Our Lord two thousand and eight, which I don't like
[1:18:38] Speaker 1: to say that much because it makes me feel old,
[1:18:41] Speaker 1: but Bruce is one of the very first bona fide
[1:18:44] Speaker 1: reporters that we email at the time. He was I
[1:18:46] Speaker 1: think still with the ESPN and got back to us
[1:18:49] Speaker 1: right away, was more than generous with his time, and
[1:18:54] Speaker 1: you know, he truly he's one of our oldest friends. Now.
[1:18:58] Speaker 1: Over the course of however many seasons it's been eighteen
[1:19:02] Speaker 1: seasons we've been doing this show, Bruce has been with
[1:19:05] Speaker 1: us in some way, shape or form the entirety of
[1:19:08] Speaker 1: the run of the show, and we're immensely grateful for that.
[1:19:10] Speaker 1: So it's great to catch up with him.
[1:19:12] Speaker 2: And I've repaid all of his generosity and time with
[1:19:16] Speaker 2: elite Caesar salad, which is what the gentlemanly thing to
[1:19:19] Speaker 2: do is as we've all known our entire lives, Caesar
[1:19:23] Speaker 2: salad is what is the proper way to say thank you.
[1:19:25] Speaker 2: So I'm doing my part. Yeah, Bruce is the best.
[1:19:28] Speaker 2: Great to have him on Great to get his insight
[1:19:30] Speaker 2: into what all the Notre Dame weirdness and Lane Kiffin
[1:19:33] Speaker 2: and the coaching carousel and all sorts of different topics.
[1:19:36] Speaker 2: And I guess Chris Peterson's donut habit breaking news allegedly,
[1:19:41] Speaker 2: like Chris Peterson is going to sue you and Bruce
[1:19:45] Speaker 2: for disparaging his diet. I would say moderate with your
[1:19:51] Speaker 2: donut intake because I have found if you get a
[1:19:54] Speaker 2: taste for donuts tie in my own personal experience, that's
[1:19:58] Speaker 2: the quickest way to pack it on. Donuts are the
[1:20:00] Speaker 2: most donuts and maybe milkshakes. If you're really looking to
[1:20:03] Speaker 2: like make weight for something, I don't know what you
[1:20:06] Speaker 2: personally would need to do to make weight, I would
[1:20:09] Speaker 2: say just stop by and grab some crawlers or something.
[1:20:12] Speaker 1: If you're going to make weight to make weight, stop
[1:20:15] Speaker 1: eating the crawlers. But if you're well, yeah add on weight,
[1:20:17] Speaker 1: then yea, yeah, you're gonna bulk up for whatever reason.
[1:20:20] Speaker 1: I think donuts are arguably the most efficient way to
[1:20:23] Speaker 1: gain weight. Nothing like a few hollow calories among friends, right, Well, I.
[1:20:28] Speaker 2: Guess Chris Peterson was always about efficiency right as an
[1:20:30] Speaker 2: offensive play caller and offensive mind, balanced offense. So again
[1:20:35] Speaker 2: I respect it. I had a donut wall at my wedding.
[1:20:37] Speaker 1: You did. You're very adamant about that.
[1:20:39] Speaker 2: I was adamant. I am not a cake person. I'm
[1:20:42] Speaker 2: glad we didn't do cake. We had, you know, we
[1:20:43] Speaker 2: had a cookie brownie type table as well, but we
[1:20:46] Speaker 2: had the donut wall, and I think it was a
[1:20:47] Speaker 2: big success.
[1:20:49] Speaker 1: All right, before we get to find people out of here,
[1:20:52] Speaker 1: three pm this Saturday on CBS, it is Army at
[1:20:57] Speaker 1: six and five, It is Navy at nine and two. Navy,
[1:21:00] Speaker 1: of course, had a nice run through the American almost
[1:21:05] Speaker 1: got into that American Championship game. They finished sevent to one.
[1:21:09] Speaker 1: Army finished four and four in conference. Again, just to
[1:21:12] Speaker 1: remind people, and this was new as of last year
[1:21:14] Speaker 1: that both Army and Navy were in the same conference,
[1:21:16] Speaker 1: and at least for a moment in time a year ago,
[1:21:19] Speaker 1: we thought maybe they could be playing on back to
[1:21:21] Speaker 1: back weeks, one in the conference championship, another in this game,
[1:21:27] Speaker 1: the storied game that they play in week sixteen of
[1:21:30] Speaker 1: every college football season. I know you and I have
[1:21:33] Speaker 1: mused about when they played this game, or if they
[1:21:35] Speaker 1: should play this game now, given the oddities that could
[1:21:38] Speaker 1: occur with them both being in the same conference and
[1:21:40] Speaker 1: conference championship, and blah blah blah. That's neither here nor there.
[1:21:44] Speaker 1: You've got a game on our hands this weekend between
[1:21:46] Speaker 1: Army and Navy. Navy is favored by six points the
[1:21:49] Speaker 1: over unders thirty eight and a half. In true Army
[1:21:51] Speaker 1: and Navy fashion. Do you have a leen, Dan Rubinstein?
[1:21:55] Speaker 2: Okay, I'm going Army because my leen was Navy. And
[1:21:58] Speaker 2: every time I think one of these two teams is
[1:22:00] Speaker 2: the clear better team, like I do with Navy at
[1:22:03] Speaker 2: their best, the other team wins. So Army season hasn't
[1:22:06] Speaker 2: been extraordinary, but they really haven't been competitive, and only
[1:22:09] Speaker 2: one of their games all they've lost a bunch of
[1:22:11] Speaker 2: one score games. When they've lost it lost by one
[1:22:13] Speaker 2: to Tulsa, lost by a touchdown to Tulane playoff team
[1:22:17] Speaker 2: Tulane ECU was not great, but you know it was
[1:22:20] Speaker 2: on the road. Whatever. They lost by a touchdown to
[1:22:22] Speaker 2: North Texas, and even the Tarleton State loss to open
[1:22:25] Speaker 2: the season. Tarleton State's a good team.
[1:22:27] Speaker 1: They are They're playing this week in the FCS playoffs.
[1:22:30] Speaker 2: Now, should Army lose to Tarleton State, Probably not, I
[1:22:34] Speaker 2: grant you that. But they turn around and beat Kansas State,
[1:22:36] Speaker 2: so they bounce back pretty quickly. They won three out
[1:22:38] Speaker 2: of four to finish out the year. They don't do
[1:22:40] Speaker 2: anything extraordinarily well, but they play very disciplined, they don't
[1:22:43] Speaker 2: commit penalties, and their turnover margin is extraordinary. So I'm
[1:22:48] Speaker 2: going Army in the upset here. What about you?
[1:22:51] Speaker 1: I was going back through I was looking at this
[1:22:53] Speaker 1: matchup over the course of time, and most of the
[1:23:00] Speaker 1: recent I say most of in air quotes, most of
[1:23:05] Speaker 1: the recent results. When there's a blowout, it's a blowout
[1:23:08] Speaker 1: on the Army side, right, And we saw last year
[1:23:12] Speaker 1: they won by like eighteen points on a different team,
[1:23:15] Speaker 1: different players this year, of course, and that was one
[1:23:17] Speaker 1: of the talking points in the run up of the season.
[1:23:19] Speaker 1: But I'm always very hesitant to take the favorite in
[1:23:23] Speaker 1: this game. Yeah, I always like to take the points,
[1:23:25] Speaker 1: not just because of our whole thing about throwing out
[1:23:27] Speaker 1: the records at rivalry or anything like that, but this
[1:23:30] Speaker 1: is a game that just had There's a lot more
[1:23:32] Speaker 1: attached to it than just your standard run of the
[1:23:34] Speaker 1: mill college football rivalry. So my inclination, Yeah, I'm with
[1:23:38] Speaker 1: you on that front. I'm inclined to say Army never
[1:23:44] Speaker 1: in the history of this game is Navy looking past it.
[1:23:46] Speaker 1: But I do wonder if there is just very mildly
[1:23:49] Speaker 1: any kind of letdown effect given the fact that they
[1:23:52] Speaker 1: were kind of in the American running up until the
[1:23:54] Speaker 1: final week, didn't wop out. I'm you know, I'm not
[1:23:58] Speaker 1: gonna stake any claim on that, but I'm going to
[1:24:01] Speaker 1: go with Army plus the six as well.
[1:24:04] Speaker 2: This is just always, for.
[1:24:06] Speaker 1: Whatever reason to me, I feel like I have gotten
[1:24:09] Speaker 1: myself into trouble every time I have taken the favorite.
[1:24:11] Speaker 1: So I'm going to go underdog plus the points in
[1:24:14] Speaker 1: historic rivalry. Let's go Cadets.
[1:24:16] Speaker 2: This is in Would you say Baltimore this year?
[1:24:19] Speaker 1: I believe so, yes, Okay, we'll watch all righty big
[1:24:25] Speaker 1: thanks Aginner Bruce Feldman, our guest of honor today for
[1:24:29] Speaker 1: stopping on by giving us some of his wisdom on
[1:24:31] Speaker 1: the coaching search and beyond. As I mentioned on our
[1:24:35] Speaker 1: last episode, I'm going to talk through some of the
[1:24:37] Speaker 1: finer details of the Penn State coaching search with our
[1:24:40] Speaker 1: friend Matt for Tuna and on our next episode. I'm
[1:24:44] Speaker 1: excited about that one because I've got a bunch of
[1:24:46] Speaker 1: questions for him. Matt is also a PA guy who
[1:24:50] Speaker 1: went to penn State. We have a lot in comments.
[1:24:52] Speaker 2: So Neror you, did he grow up near you in Pennsylvania?
[1:24:55] Speaker 1: I think he grew up in the northeastern part of
[1:24:59] Speaker 1: this so not far from me.
[1:25:01] Speaker 2: So what's in the northeastern part of Penny, Scranton.
[1:25:04] Speaker 1: Welks Bury, those types of places I'll have to ask
[1:25:08] Speaker 1: about exactly where he's from, he told me, and I'm
[1:25:10] Speaker 1: I'm it's escaping me exactly where he grew up. But
[1:25:13] Speaker 1: he and I have a lot in common, which is why.
[1:25:16] Speaker 2: It's the lake from the office, the Scranton area, Lake
[1:25:18] Speaker 2: Lake Wallan paw Pack. Have you spent time on Wallawa?
[1:25:22] Speaker 1: Not only have I spent time there, I played the
[1:25:24] Speaker 1: baseball team you lost your okay a couple times. A
[1:25:27] Speaker 1: couple of times we played the I guess it was
[1:25:31] Speaker 1: Lake wall and Paul Pack baseball team. So yeah, I've
[1:25:34] Speaker 1: been up that way many many times.
[1:25:36] Speaker 2: Would people remember you up there from your baseball career?
[1:25:39] Speaker 2: Would they remember from if you strolled into a sandwich shop?
[1:25:42] Speaker 2: Now up in that area would be like, oh I
[1:25:44] Speaker 2: remember you, my lasting impression, my lasting impression. When we
[1:25:48] Speaker 2: played lake Wall and pauw Pack, I believe it was
[1:25:50] Speaker 2: just lake wallan pauw Pack was the name of the team.
[1:25:53] Speaker 1: Okay, I was a middle infielder. I was turning a
[1:25:57] Speaker 1: double play and we had an instance where somebody came
[1:26:02] Speaker 1: in cleats up on me. And this is like a
[1:26:04] Speaker 1: preseason game and nobody really appreciated it, myself included. And
[1:26:09] Speaker 1: a little bit later on in the game, the same
[1:26:12] Speaker 1: player was running the second base. I again was covering
[1:26:16] Speaker 1: second base, hoping to turn a double play, and I
[1:26:17] Speaker 1: threw it right in his chest, nice on purpose.
[1:26:22] Speaker 2: I love that, and I'm not proud of it, but
[1:26:24] Speaker 2: I'm willing enough to That's all about those unwritten rules.
[1:26:28] Speaker 1: Yeah, there's there's more fire in here, I think than
[1:26:30] Speaker 1: people realize.
[1:26:32] Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, I appreciate that time. I think that informs
[1:26:35] Speaker 2: got him right here a good amount about you. Okay,
[1:26:37] Speaker 2: got him good, got.
[1:26:38] Speaker 1: Him right there. So anyway, we lost the game. So
[1:26:42] Speaker 1: the last laugh was was on the lake wollmpop Pack side.
[1:26:45] Speaker 1: But outside of yes, that experience of playing the game
[1:26:50] Speaker 1: and Dwight shret getting the fake wheel at the company party.
[1:26:54] Speaker 1: Not a whole lot else to report.
[1:26:56] Speaker 2: Okay, good to know. I appreciate your on the ground experience.
[1:27:00] Speaker 1: The only other bit of housekeeping that I will offer
[1:27:03] Speaker 1: here before we let the find people go, Do stay
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[1:27:09] Speaker 1: Do stay tuned to our upcoming episodes. We're going to
[1:27:12] Speaker 1: run bol Bingo again. Bull Bingo last year was open.
[1:27:15] Speaker 1: All the way bull Bingo works is we give you
[1:27:18] Speaker 1: a whole long list of prop bets for the upcoming
[1:27:22] Speaker 1: week of college football games. It's not going to start
[1:27:25] Speaker 1: until December the nineteenth with the first playoff game Alabama Oklahoma.
[1:27:29] Speaker 1: So we're rolling this out. You will, I'm sure see
[1:27:32] Speaker 1: plenty of notifications about it. If you follow the show.
[1:27:36] Speaker 1: You will have a week to get your picks in
[1:27:37] Speaker 1: at which point are a lock and we're going to
[1:27:39] Speaker 1: open up another game. So it's a week to week game.
[1:27:42] Speaker 1: We're going to list out a bunch of prop bets.
[1:27:44] Speaker 1: All you need to do is pick six that you
[1:27:46] Speaker 1: think are going to hit.
[1:27:48] Speaker 3: That's it.
[1:27:48] Speaker 1: So it's not the Bowl confidence thing. You're not picking winners.
[1:27:51] Speaker 1: You're not going through every bowl game balls are a
[1:27:54] Speaker 1: thing of the past in some regard. Okay, so we
[1:27:58] Speaker 1: have taken a little bit of a different spin on
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[1:28:22] Speaker 2: Sounds super easy to me, especially for those people who
[1:28:25] Speaker 2: are not afraid to compete. That's it, man, Yeah, that's it.
[1:28:28] Speaker 1: Gotta have that fire in the belly.
[1:28:29] Speaker 2: You know, Tie is not afraid to compete. You know that.
[1:28:31] Speaker 1: Now, I wasn't. I wasn't.
[1:28:36] Speaker 2: Not afraid to break a sternum. Now shadow of rib.
[1:28:39] Speaker 1: CONTI that was an ill advised decision. But yeah, I
[1:28:43] Speaker 1: think you sor right.
[1:28:43] Speaker 2: He got up all right.
[1:28:47] Speaker 1: Okay, on that note, for that guy, Dan, for myself, Tie,
[1:28:50] Speaker 1: for our guest of honor, Bruce Felman, we appreciate, as
[1:28:53] Speaker 1: always your ongoing support. We will be with you again
[1:28:56] Speaker 1: three times per week. See this season through catch you
[1:29:00] Speaker 1: all on Sunday. The meantime, stay sour peace,

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