# Coach Jerry Mack on Roster Building, Culture, and Kennesaw State's Future

An episode of [The Solid Verbal College Football Show](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/270037732), 7 Apr 2026, 52 min.

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Coach Jerry Mack led the Kennesaw State Owls from a 2-10 season in 2024 to a Conference USA championship in his first year in 2025, flipping the roster and the entire offensive scheme in the process. In this episode, he talks about what drew him to Kennesaw State, how he approaches roster construction in the transfer portal era, what he brought back from his time coaching in the NFL, what it takes to maintain stability through college football's most unstable era ever, and much more. Support the show!: https://www.patreon.com/solidverbal See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:02] Speaker 1: Welcome to the solid verboll that for me.
[0:06] Speaker 2: I'm a man, I'm forty.
[0:08] Speaker 3: I've heard so many players say, well, I want to
[0:10] Speaker 3: be happy. You want to be happy for a day?
[0:12] Speaker 4: Ato State?
[0:13] Speaker 2: Is that? Whoo whoom?
[0:14] Speaker 4: And Dan and tie.
[0:18] Speaker 2: Dan Rubinstein, welcome back from your trip to the West Coast.
[0:21] Speaker 2: How are you.
[0:22] Speaker 1: I'm good.
[0:23] Speaker 3: I have lesser burrito quality available to me now that
[0:28] Speaker 3: I'm back in the Midwest, but love being back home.
[0:31] Speaker 3: Loved eating a bunch of burritos, getting some time on
[0:34] Speaker 3: the California coast Legoland. The San Diego Zoo I saw,
[0:39] Speaker 3: I said, I guess three pandas, depending on how you
[0:43] Speaker 3: technically are gonna index a red panda, which is technically
[0:48] Speaker 3: not a I don't know. I don't know how all
[0:50] Speaker 3: of these things are classified, but I don't think there
[0:52] Speaker 3: are many actual pandas in the lower forty eight here
[0:55] Speaker 3: Tie right, And it was cool to see a Pandam
[0:59] Speaker 3: generally a zoo person, but kids wanted to see a panda,
[1:03] Speaker 3: so we went and it was It was pretty impressive.
[1:06] Speaker 2: Man, I love the San Diego Zoo. When I was
[1:09] Speaker 2: there years ago, that was awesome.
[1:11] Speaker 3: I got a lot of steps in I saw a
[1:12] Speaker 3: lot of good animals. Again, not a huge zoo person,
[1:17] Speaker 3: but you know, sometimes you gotta do what you gotta
[1:19] Speaker 3: do when you got little ones. But otherwise, yeah, I
[1:23] Speaker 3: had a great time, had some pool time, shot some
[1:25] Speaker 3: hoops with the boys.
[1:27] Speaker 1: Again, the burritos are so good.
[1:31] Speaker 2: Well, welcome back, Welcome back, do you welcome back to all?
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[2:00] Speaker 2: through we got I can't even count how many we
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[2:08] Speaker 2: as email and social media. At some point here in
[2:11] Speaker 2: the very near future, we will go through those and
[2:14] Speaker 2: we will read aloud the results on our airwaves. But
[2:17] Speaker 2: not today, Dan, Today we have an honored guest. Coach
[2:21] Speaker 2: Jerry Mack from Kanasau State is going to be stopping
[2:25] Speaker 2: on by making his first appearance on the show. You
[2:28] Speaker 2: may recall when coach Mack was hired by Kennesaw and
[2:33] Speaker 2: when we did our preview episodes last summer, I was
[2:37] Speaker 2: like transfixed by this situation HM in a way that
[2:41] Speaker 2: I almost didn't expect because across the board one hundred
[2:45] Speaker 2: and thirty, however many teams were up to now, I
[2:47] Speaker 2: guess one hundred and thirty eight, but one hundred and
[2:48] Speaker 2: thirty six last year. You can find a nugget with
[2:51] Speaker 2: every team that you look at and say, ah, that's interesting.
[2:54] Speaker 2: But there was so much new with Kennisau State because
[2:57] Speaker 2: it was on the heels of a bad season. They
[3:00] Speaker 2: were moving away from a coach who had obviously built
[3:03] Speaker 2: up reputation within the program helped architect it. Coach Mack
[3:08] Speaker 2: was going in a different direction in terms of schematics
[3:12] Speaker 2: in a way that was drastically different from where they
[3:15] Speaker 2: had been previously, where they're running more of an option system.
[3:18] Speaker 2: He was going completely away from that. So there was
[3:21] Speaker 2: just a lot changing in a very short period of time,
[3:23] Speaker 2: and there was a real question as to how is
[3:25] Speaker 2: this going to look and feel and is it going
[3:27] Speaker 2: to perform? Is it going to be successful? They won
[3:31] Speaker 2: the conference last.
[3:32] Speaker 1: Year, so they won the conference.
[3:33] Speaker 2: They won the conference. They went from ten losses to
[3:36] Speaker 2: ten wins within the span of a year, and it
[3:39] Speaker 2: was one of the overwhelming success stories of the twenty
[3:42] Speaker 2: twenty five seasons. So we're thrilled to have them on
[3:44] Speaker 2: and ask a bunch of questions. We had a bunch
[3:46] Speaker 2: of folks at verballers dot com chime in with some
[3:49] Speaker 2: of their own that we're going to work in here
[3:51] Speaker 2: through the course of the next you know, thirty five
[3:53] Speaker 2: minutes or so, but be wat since we had a
[3:55] Speaker 2: coach on, So I'm excited. This is great.
[3:58] Speaker 3: Yeah, kennisaw was on a great story to a really
[4:01] Speaker 3: good football team and three one of a few teams
[4:04] Speaker 3: and you look at some of the recently new teams
[4:07] Speaker 3: to the FBS level and they were new to what
[4:11] Speaker 3: Conference USA last year. But with Missouri State and Delaware
[4:16] Speaker 3: and now we'll see what happens with what sax State
[4:18] Speaker 3: and North Dakota State. Obviously we know the success that
[4:22] Speaker 3: immediately that James Madison had with Kurt Signetti and then
[4:26] Speaker 3: last couple of years with Bob Chesney after being a
[4:28] Speaker 3: very recent FBS team. It's interesting to watch a team
[4:32] Speaker 3: and I'm sure we're going to talk about this with
[4:35] Speaker 3: Jerry Mack about you know, having the ability geographically either
[4:39] Speaker 3: having players in your backyard to recruit out of high
[4:41] Speaker 3: school or to come back to the area after playing elsewhere.
[4:45] Speaker 3: That it was a program because kennisaw again brand new
[4:49] Speaker 3: program first season I want to say twenty fifteen, that
[4:53] Speaker 3: they won pretty quickly, and so there is this established
[4:56] Speaker 3: culture of winning. Obviously the last couple of years of
[4:59] Speaker 3: the Brian hen and Arra didn't go as planned, but
[5:03] Speaker 3: that they're able to immediately not just compete, but win
[5:07] Speaker 3: a conference. When double digit games go to a bowl game,
[5:10] Speaker 3: it's a terrific story. And then what happens turnover, right,
[5:15] Speaker 3: that's just going to happen basically everywhere with success, either
[5:19] Speaker 3: the players who didn't play want to play more and
[5:21] Speaker 3: end up elsewhere, or players if it's a place that's
[5:24] Speaker 3: maybe not as huge as other places, they see their stock.
[5:28] Speaker 1: And their earning potential grow.
[5:29] Speaker 3: And Jerry Mack has actually been very forthright about this
[5:32] Speaker 3: that it's a success for his program. When you know,
[5:35] Speaker 3: one of their top edge rushers I think is onto
[5:37] Speaker 3: Kansas State, one of their best receivers is onto Washington
[5:41] Speaker 3: A Mariotam is up to Syracuse starting quarterback from last year.
[5:45] Speaker 3: So those things reflect really well on Kennesaw. And it's
[5:50] Speaker 3: a matter of now, like how do you keep this
[5:53] Speaker 3: very fluid state of the sport going at a now
[5:56] Speaker 3: winning place, new winning place like Kennessa.
[6:00] Speaker 2: Yeah, they made the jump up to FBS in twenty
[6:05] Speaker 2: twenty four. Last year was Coach Max's first season twenty
[6:09] Speaker 2: twenty five, so this will be the third year now
[6:12] Speaker 2: in twenty twenty six that they're up at the FBS level,
[6:14] Speaker 2: And we're going to check in with Coach Max, see
[6:16] Speaker 2: how spring is going, see how his philosophies are taking
[6:20] Speaker 2: hold at Kansas State. Of course, if you have any
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[6:47] Speaker 3: Dan, Yes, I stand corrected. You're right, second year in
[6:51] Speaker 3: Conference USA. I think they were in FCS independent the
[6:54] Speaker 3: year before that. Correct, in Jerry Max's first season as
[6:58] Speaker 3: head coach. Obviously, they had an enormous amount of success.
[7:01] Speaker 3: And when you look at the numbers, by the way,
[7:03] Speaker 3: there were games where like the bill csp plus postgame
[7:07] Speaker 3: win expectancy, you're ninety eight percent ninety nine percent when
[7:10] Speaker 3: you take the events of that game, a team should
[7:13] Speaker 3: win ninety eight ninety nine percent of the time. They
[7:16] Speaker 3: had wins in like the sixteen eighteen nineteen percent of
[7:19] Speaker 3: the time as well. So pulling out extremely losable games
[7:24] Speaker 3: also a skill. And so to be able to do
[7:27] Speaker 3: that in your first season as a head coach at
[7:30] Speaker 3: a specific place, with you know a number of new
[7:32] Speaker 3: players and obviously assistants you haven't all worked together with
[7:36] Speaker 3: before crazy impressive to win in a number of different ways,
[7:42] Speaker 3: usually as something that schools eventually get to not are
[7:44] Speaker 3: able to do right away.
[7:46] Speaker 2: All right, Dan, we are very pleased to welcome and
[7:48] Speaker 2: a coach. It's been a while, Yeah, since we had
[7:51] Speaker 2: a coach on the show. He is the leader of
[7:54] Speaker 2: Kansas State.
[7:56] Speaker 5: Jerry Mack. Welcome to the show. How are you, man,
[7:58] Speaker 5: I'm doing well. Glad you guys had me. I don't
[8:00] Speaker 5: appreciate that.
[8:01] Speaker 2: So what's spring look like for you right now? I
[8:03] Speaker 2: know you got like a little bit of time here
[8:05] Speaker 2: before you get to the conclusion of springball, but talk
[8:09] Speaker 2: us through sort of like what's going on in your head,
[8:11] Speaker 2: what's going on in the Kannesau State world with respect
[8:14] Speaker 2: to spring football and how you approach it.
[8:16] Speaker 5: Yeah, just trying to be a consistency. I think the
[8:19] Speaker 5: biggest thing. We had a lot of success last year,
[8:21] Speaker 5: and you know, we did a lot of good things,
[8:23] Speaker 5: which was really good for our program, for the community.
[8:25] Speaker 5: But I think the biggest thing going into this offseason,
[8:28] Speaker 5: we wanted to create a sense of urgency and we're
[8:30] Speaker 5: trying to make sure we build some stability in the program.
[8:33] Speaker 5: We didn't want to be a team that was we
[8:34] Speaker 5: don't want to be a team that's a one year wonder,
[8:36] Speaker 5: so to speak. We're trying to do a great job
[8:38] Speaker 5: of development, really the bottom of the roster, all the
[8:41] Speaker 5: way to the top, because we feel like everybody can
[8:44] Speaker 5: get better for the most part. So we started this
[8:47] Speaker 5: journey about a month ago and we kind of this
[8:48] Speaker 5: last week trying to wrap up a lot of things.
[8:51] Speaker 2: So when you look back at last year, which we
[8:53] Speaker 2: can get into obviously a huge success for Kansas State,
[8:57] Speaker 2: what is it that you are focused on this ring.
[9:00] Speaker 2: I know, obviously trying to develop all facets of the roster,
[9:03] Speaker 2: but in terms of tendencies, in terms of things that
[9:07] Speaker 2: maybe you saw on tape looking back, what are the
[9:09] Speaker 2: areas of focus for Kennesaw.
[9:12] Speaker 5: Yeah, when we look back to the things that we
[9:14] Speaker 5: can get better, some of the things that were glaring
[9:16] Speaker 5: at us. Defensively, there's some things we have to continue
[9:19] Speaker 5: to improve our tackling, So that has been a challenge
[9:22] Speaker 5: for us last year, especially down the stretch. I didn't
[9:25] Speaker 5: think we did a great job of that. Offensively, we
[9:27] Speaker 5: have to figure out a way to get a little
[9:28] Speaker 5: bit more consistent from a standpoint of sustaining drives a
[9:32] Speaker 5: little bit better. I thought we were we rely too
[9:35] Speaker 5: heavily on the big player times and then obviously special teams.
[9:38] Speaker 5: We just have to improve overall in all phases and
[9:40] Speaker 5: special teams, and a lot of that is personnel driven.
[9:43] Speaker 5: A lot of that is about getting the right guys
[9:45] Speaker 5: in the building and making sure we put the right
[9:47] Speaker 5: guys on those certain units. You know, as the season
[9:50] Speaker 5: goes on, I think the thing that jumps out at
[9:52] Speaker 5: you the most is it's just a long season. It
[9:54] Speaker 5: was a long season for us last year, playing in
[9:57] Speaker 5: a bowl game, playing in the conference championship game, so
[9:59] Speaker 5: a couple more games that we had, you know, probably
[10:01] Speaker 5: anticipated going into the season in some retrospect, So we
[10:04] Speaker 5: had to do a good job of making sure that
[10:06] Speaker 5: we keep guys healthy. So we've been evaluating a lot
[10:09] Speaker 5: of that, kind of still talking to these guys, trying
[10:10] Speaker 5: to teach them more about how to take care of
[10:12] Speaker 5: their bodies from a standpoint of sleep and the things
[10:14] Speaker 5: they put in their body as well.
[10:16] Speaker 3: So you mentioned the word stability early on, which is
[10:19] Speaker 3: kind of a wild world, wild word in this world
[10:23] Speaker 3: that we're in in college football. You lose your starting
[10:26] Speaker 3: quarterback obviously, turnover at running back, turnover at receiver, turnover
[10:30] Speaker 3: all over the place, and you can only control so
[10:33] Speaker 3: much right that, Like you know, in this world, everybody's
[10:36] Speaker 3: roster is turning over, so what can you control to
[10:40] Speaker 3: keep a program stable if your roster isn't And it's
[10:44] Speaker 3: not just true of a you know, a kanisas state,
[10:46] Speaker 3: it's you know, any team on any league and whatever.
[10:50] Speaker 1: This is just sort of a reality.
[10:51] Speaker 5: I think it starts with just our player personnel department.
[10:55] Speaker 5: So they have to do a great job of constantly
[10:58] Speaker 5: evaluating players and make ensure that they're building lists at
[11:01] Speaker 5: every single position, just because you never know.
[11:04] Speaker 4: I can't tell you.
[11:05] Speaker 5: That the guys who're going to walk out the door
[11:06] Speaker 5: in December January, whenever the portal opens again, So I
[11:09] Speaker 5: need to make sure that you know, as we kind
[11:11] Speaker 5: of get closer to this thing, we got a list
[11:13] Speaker 5: of what I call like suspects, guys that you think
[11:16] Speaker 5: are going to enter the portal, Guys you think may
[11:19] Speaker 5: have a chance, you may have a chance set in
[11:21] Speaker 5: your market to try to attract, and then just keep
[11:23] Speaker 5: a really good, thoroughly evaluation on every player from high
[11:27] Speaker 5: school to junior college to guys that we were recruiting
[11:31] Speaker 5: at other places when we were here and then they
[11:34] Speaker 5: end up going somewhere else.
[11:35] Speaker 4: We have to do a great job of evaluating.
[11:37] Speaker 5: I think the second thing is from a standpoint of
[11:39] Speaker 5: your high school players that you bring into your building.
[11:42] Speaker 5: Those guys are really the culture centers for your program,
[11:45] Speaker 5: because those are the guys that you may have a
[11:46] Speaker 5: chance to keep in your building for two three, you know,
[11:49] Speaker 5: if you're lucky for years. But those guys you have
[11:51] Speaker 5: to do a really good job, in my opinion, of
[11:53] Speaker 5: making sure they're setting the standard and the culture. So
[11:56] Speaker 5: when you bring the new guys where they be high school,
[11:59] Speaker 5: junior college, or try, answer is in, there's a certain
[12:02] Speaker 5: standard that we know we're going to go by, and
[12:04] Speaker 5: they kind of did a great job of setting a
[12:06] Speaker 5: culture with those younger guys. I think those are the
[12:08] Speaker 5: things that you know you can control. I can't control,
[12:10] Speaker 5: like you said, if a guy decided that he wants
[12:13] Speaker 5: to leave and wants to get an opportunity somewhere else.
[12:15] Speaker 5: But I can't control how developing the people that are
[12:18] Speaker 5: in the building. I tell everybody while you're here at Kinnesas,
[12:21] Speaker 5: however long it is, I want to make it the
[12:22] Speaker 5: best experience that you've ever had.
[12:25] Speaker 1: So what do you do?
[12:25] Speaker 3: What is that experience? Again, this is something you can control. Obviously,
[12:28] Speaker 3: you mentioned the players setting the standard. What can you
[12:31] Speaker 3: do within a program, and even if players are the
[12:34] Speaker 3: ones setting that culture, what can you do as the
[12:37] Speaker 3: grown up in the room to help, Like, what you're
[12:40] Speaker 3: doing essentially right now, and you can correct me if
[12:42] Speaker 3: I'm wrong, is you want to establish a reputation for
[12:46] Speaker 3: kennesas state right that if a player wants to transfer
[12:49] Speaker 3: from cal if, a player wants to transfer from Illinois,
[12:52] Speaker 3: if a player wants to transfer from UAB wherever. You
[12:55] Speaker 3: want that reputation to stretch across the country. So, as
[13:00] Speaker 3: the grown up, what is it that you're doing that
[13:03] Speaker 3: can hopefully make it an attractive place?
[13:05] Speaker 4: Yeah?
[13:05] Speaker 5: I think first thing is the first when you're in
[13:08] Speaker 5: the building and where you have a chance to touch
[13:10] Speaker 5: our coaches. We're doing a great job, I feel like,
[13:14] Speaker 5: of making sure we're developing meaningful relationship with the guys
[13:17] Speaker 5: because your biggest, your biggest selling point is your players
[13:22] Speaker 5: that you have. Now, those are the guys who's going
[13:24] Speaker 5: to go out and talk good or bad about your program,
[13:27] Speaker 5: good or bad about the university, all those different things.
[13:30] Speaker 5: So that's important to me that they have a great experience.
[13:32] Speaker 5: So we can use those guys as potential selling points
[13:35] Speaker 5: when we do trying to track that guy from Kyle
[13:38] Speaker 5: or wherever it may be. I think the second thing is,
[13:40] Speaker 5: you know, exposure, you know, working with our people on campus,
[13:44] Speaker 5: telling our story telling where kinnessaus State is, where it
[13:47] Speaker 5: came from. Like you know, the history of the program.
[13:50] Speaker 5: It's as many things as we can get out on
[13:52] Speaker 5: social media to talk about, like we have a great
[13:55] Speaker 5: institution and we have something great to sell here. I
[13:58] Speaker 5: think that's important because all these kids is they're on TikTok,
[14:01] Speaker 5: they're on Eggs, they're on all these little.
[14:02] Speaker 4: Different social media platforms.
[14:04] Speaker 5: And we're just generating more eyeballs to the television, more
[14:08] Speaker 5: eyeballs to the screens. As many times as we can
[14:10] Speaker 5: do that, as much as we can do that in
[14:12] Speaker 5: an exciting and captivating way is really important to me,
[14:15] Speaker 5: so we can make sure we attract the right people.
[14:18] Speaker 3: It's interesting you mentioned that the history of the program
[14:20] Speaker 3: because in terms of the sport, in terms of college football,
[14:24] Speaker 3: Kennesaw has basically no history.
[14:26] Speaker 1: Right.
[14:26] Speaker 3: It's exciting that the Owls sort of came out of
[14:30] Speaker 3: nowhere in the you know, the mid twenty tens, and
[14:33] Speaker 3: one basically immediately do you look at that as a
[14:37] Speaker 3: positive and that you know you're not going to have
[14:40] Speaker 3: you know, old timers from the seventies, you know, calling
[14:43] Speaker 3: you up and saying, well, this is how we did it,
[14:45] Speaker 3: you know, way back when. Or do you look at
[14:47] Speaker 3: it as you know, a negative that you don't have.
[14:50] Speaker 3: You know, this this big thing to sell in the
[14:53] Speaker 3: way that other schools might. So I assume you lean positive.
[14:56] Speaker 3: But what is it like heading up such a new program.
[15:00] Speaker 5: It's a really good, happy balance in my opinion, because,
[15:03] Speaker 5: like you said, there's not guys that have They don't
[15:05] Speaker 5: have twenty year levernments here, that's not the reality. But
[15:09] Speaker 5: there are guys that has laid the foundation of the program.
[15:12] Speaker 5: Where As an FCS program, they did a good job
[15:15] Speaker 5: of winning and going to playoffs.
[15:16] Speaker 4: We're trying to continue to cultivate those relationships.
[15:19] Speaker 5: To make sure those guys come back and they feel
[15:21] Speaker 5: welcome and wanted in the building, which they should. They
[15:24] Speaker 5: did a great job established the standard. But I would
[15:27] Speaker 5: tell you this too, like the guys now kids now,
[15:29] Speaker 5: A lot of times, these guys they're not like I was.
[15:32] Speaker 4: When I grew up. I watched college football.
[15:34] Speaker 5: I watched the old greats that played the game. There
[15:38] Speaker 5: was a lot of tradition at certain schools and things
[15:40] Speaker 5: like that. Nowadays, you know, the game is just different.
[15:43] Speaker 5: The guys don't watch it. A lot of more things
[15:45] Speaker 5: they can get into, so they don't know a lot
[15:47] Speaker 5: of history of these schools that they're choosing. If you
[15:49] Speaker 5: ask them who was a player there are ten years
[15:51] Speaker 5: ago or five years ago, they probably couldn't tell you,
[15:53] Speaker 5: especially if they're not having success in the NFL. So
[15:56] Speaker 5: they have no clue. So that is kind of an
[15:58] Speaker 5: advantage to be honest with you. Were a team like
[16:01] Speaker 5: us or a program like US who doesn't have a
[16:03] Speaker 5: lot of tradition, still has a chance to attract a
[16:06] Speaker 5: good athlete and still has a chance to win, even
[16:08] Speaker 5: though we're not playing football. We haven't been playing football
[16:11] Speaker 5: for fifty or eighty years. Because the reality is these
[16:15] Speaker 5: guys they only they lived year to year. So you
[16:18] Speaker 5: were good last year and you had a good player.
[16:20] Speaker 5: They know that player they played last year because they
[16:22] Speaker 5: saw them on some kind of social media platform. The
[16:24] Speaker 5: games looked fun, they looked exciting. I saw you guys
[16:27] Speaker 5: playing in October on television. I want to see what
[16:30] Speaker 5: I want to see what it's about.
[16:31] Speaker 2: More So, let me backup, coach, when you were Hired.
[16:36] Speaker 2: I believe your quote was that Kanessau State for you
[16:39] Speaker 2: was right place, right time, right place, right time. Just
[16:43] Speaker 2: to put it in context for those of us out
[16:45] Speaker 2: here and for people who maybe haven't been following along
[16:48] Speaker 2: as close slits, Kanessau State went two to ten in
[16:52] Speaker 2: twenty twenty four. You were stepping in in a situation
[16:56] Speaker 2: where you were taking over for a guy who had
[16:58] Speaker 2: basically architected the program, and on top of that, you
[17:01] Speaker 2: were flipping the system from more of like a flex
[17:04] Speaker 2: bone style to more of like a veer and shoot,
[17:08] Speaker 2: there's a lot going on their coach, and so I
[17:11] Speaker 2: have questions about all three layers of that. But what
[17:16] Speaker 2: are you seeing when you are looking at this job
[17:20] Speaker 2: that leads you to feel the way you did and
[17:22] Speaker 2: say publicly that in spite of the two and ten
[17:25] Speaker 2: and all of the changes that are going to be
[17:27] Speaker 2: afoot here, still this is right time, right place for me.
[17:30] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[17:31] Speaker 5: I think the first thing that jumps out to everybody,
[17:34] Speaker 5: every coach, every player that comes here is the location.
[17:38] Speaker 5: When you look at where we're located, and we're so
[17:40] Speaker 5: close to the Atlanta Airport, the Atlanta metropolitan area, where
[17:44] Speaker 5: in the state of Georgia. We're in big time high
[17:46] Speaker 5: school football area. That's kind of the mecca here in
[17:49] Speaker 5: Cobb County. There was just access to players. That's the
[17:53] Speaker 5: first thing I think when you look at any job,
[17:55] Speaker 5: where are the players?
[17:56] Speaker 4: Where am I going to go? Get the players? Right? Like?
[17:58] Speaker 4: Do I have to go by five hours? Six hours?
[18:01] Speaker 4: Can they fly in here or they have to come
[18:03] Speaker 4: in and drive far away? Like?
[18:05] Speaker 5: That was the number one thing that I saw, there's
[18:07] Speaker 5: access to players. You can't do anything if you don't
[18:09] Speaker 5: have the access to the people. I think the second
[18:12] Speaker 5: thing kind of go back to what we talked about before.
[18:14] Speaker 5: There was no tradition. There was not all under said.
[18:17] Speaker 5: There was not a whole lot of tradition on some
[18:19] Speaker 5: of the things that they had established here. So you're
[18:22] Speaker 5: talking about a program there was only ten years old.
[18:25] Speaker 5: I got a chance to come in here and establish
[18:27] Speaker 5: some of my own traditions and some of the things
[18:29] Speaker 5: that I want to build a program and what I
[18:30] Speaker 5: wanted to look like. And I think the third thing
[18:33] Speaker 5: was the people. You got a chance to visit with
[18:35] Speaker 5: the administration, whether it's the athletic director and our president,
[18:39] Speaker 5: and there was a common thing that these this university,
[18:43] Speaker 5: and this program wanted to grow, and they wanted to
[18:46] Speaker 5: do things a little bit different, and they and they
[18:48] Speaker 5: were willing to put some of the resources behind where
[18:50] Speaker 5: their mouth was. And that was one of the things
[18:52] Speaker 5: that excited me the most. A young program and a
[18:55] Speaker 5: great location that wanted to be good.
[18:58] Speaker 2: How do you approach that object in an interview of
[19:03] Speaker 2: rebooting the scheme and going in a completely different direction.
[19:06] Speaker 2: Because I was trying to think when we were putting
[19:09] Speaker 2: questions together for this, there aren't a whole lot of
[19:11] Speaker 2: examples that come to mind of a team that went
[19:15] Speaker 2: from more of like an option based thing to something
[19:19] Speaker 2: diametrically opposed and were successful like that, you went from
[19:23] Speaker 2: ten losses to ten wins? What is that transition? Like?
[19:27] Speaker 2: How do you sell administration? How do you sell existing
[19:30] Speaker 2: players on doing something so radical? And then I guess
[19:34] Speaker 2: the sixty four million dollar question is how do you
[19:36] Speaker 2: actually have success doing it so quickly?
[19:39] Speaker 4: Yeah?
[19:40] Speaker 5: Well, the first thing is, you know, my background was
[19:43] Speaker 5: always an offensive background, and every place I had been
[19:47] Speaker 5: in the past, we walked in the building and we
[19:50] Speaker 5: changed the offensive scheme and we had a chance to
[19:52] Speaker 5: do something really, really cool and unique. The last job
[19:56] Speaker 5: obviously in college before Jacksonville was University of Tennessee. When
[19:59] Speaker 5: we walked int to Tennessee in twenty twenty one, you know,
[20:02] Speaker 5: it was more of a pro style scheme. We changed
[20:04] Speaker 5: to this style of offense, and then we end up
[20:07] Speaker 5: I think, seventh in the country in offense. The next year,
[20:09] Speaker 5: in twenty twenty two, we were the number one offense
[20:11] Speaker 5: in the country. So from a selling point standpoint, that
[20:15] Speaker 5: was really I think what they saw they saw Wow.
[20:18] Speaker 5: Everywhere these guy's been, where it was Tennessee in my past,
[20:20] Speaker 5: or whether it was way back when I was an
[20:23] Speaker 5: FCS coach as a coordinator at an Arkansas Pine Bluff
[20:27] Speaker 5: or North Carolina Central, wherever those places were, you know,
[20:29] Speaker 5: when I walked in the door, we did a great
[20:31] Speaker 5: job of putting the right scheme in front of the players.
[20:34] Speaker 5: The second part to that is finding the right people.
[20:37] Speaker 5: Once again, there was some residual players already on the roster.
[20:41] Speaker 5: They were really talented, they just weren't being utilized the
[20:43] Speaker 5: right way. So I had to do a good job
[20:45] Speaker 5: of coming in here looking at the games, looking at
[20:49] Speaker 5: certain schemes and certain things where those guys had touched
[20:51] Speaker 5: the ball. The previous year and just trying to figure
[20:54] Speaker 5: out where they'd be a fit on what I was
[20:56] Speaker 5: trying to do. Some of those guys were a fit.
[20:59] Speaker 5: Many of those guys were not a fit, so we
[21:01] Speaker 5: had to kind of move on from those guys.
[21:04] Speaker 4: And then the last thing is trying to get a quarterback.
[21:06] Speaker 5: We brought a couple of quarterbacks in here that I
[21:08] Speaker 5: feel like they could be really good in the Establis.
[21:11] Speaker 4: System that we were playing in.
[21:12] Speaker 5: It all starts from me up front as well, so
[21:14] Speaker 5: we had to bring about I think we brought twelve
[21:17] Speaker 5: to fourteen new offensive linemen in the building. My office
[21:20] Speaker 5: line coach, he was on the phone constantly working with
[21:21] Speaker 5: but to get the right bodies in the building. But
[21:25] Speaker 5: so all those different things played a big role. Just
[21:27] Speaker 5: assessing the roster that was already here who were going
[21:31] Speaker 5: to have a chance to retain, and then schematically understanding
[21:34] Speaker 5: what this system does and how he can flip the
[21:37] Speaker 5: switch extremely fast because I had seen it before happen,
[21:40] Speaker 5: so I wanted to take this a similar blueprint.
[21:42] Speaker 2: I think it's easy for guys like Dan and I
[21:45] Speaker 2: to look at a team that is going through a
[21:47] Speaker 2: schematic shift like that and say I mean, you know,
[21:50] Speaker 2: you got to go get a better quarterback or better lineman,
[21:53] Speaker 2: better receivers, whatever in the transfer portal, But I'd imagine
[21:56] Speaker 2: there's a lot more nuance on your side of it.
[22:00] Speaker 2: What of the like specific player profiles that you target
[22:03] Speaker 2: when you're looking across the portal, maybe for your system
[22:07] Speaker 2: or just in general for the culture that you're trying
[22:10] Speaker 2: to build.
[22:10] Speaker 5: Yeah, I think just overall culturally wise, I wanted guys
[22:14] Speaker 5: with a chip on their shoulder, with an age who
[22:17] Speaker 5: really wanted to be successful in love football. That was
[22:21] Speaker 5: really some of the things that I really wanted as
[22:22] Speaker 5: we look not only just offense, but also defense too.
[22:25] Speaker 5: Just one of those guys that wanted to come in
[22:27] Speaker 5: the door with a chip on their shoulder because either
[22:30] Speaker 5: they fell undervalued at the previous place or they weren't
[22:33] Speaker 5: getting as much playing time as they wanted to. And
[22:35] Speaker 5: those guys were the people that had a lot of
[22:37] Speaker 5: success for us. The second thing, you know, just looking
[22:40] Speaker 5: at quarterback, I wanted a quarterback who was going to
[22:42] Speaker 5: be a good decision maker. A guy is going to
[22:44] Speaker 5: fast processor and good decision maker. The arm talent and
[22:48] Speaker 5: arm strength obviously, that plays a part in it. But
[22:50] Speaker 5: if he's going to throw in sessions and turn the
[22:52] Speaker 5: ball over, I can't win with that. So like that
[22:55] Speaker 5: guy had to be a guy that you know was
[22:57] Speaker 5: gonna make good decisions with the ball in his hands.
[22:59] Speaker 5: The running back position that was going to be important.
[23:02] Speaker 5: We have won with all different styles of backs. You
[23:04] Speaker 5: can all different types of small, short, big, whatever the
[23:07] Speaker 5: case may be. But I do think that it has
[23:10] Speaker 5: to be a low maintenance position.
[23:11] Speaker 2: For me.
[23:11] Speaker 5: That has to be a guy you're not chasing down
[23:13] Speaker 5: trying to figure out is he gonna be Accountabay, he's
[23:15] Speaker 5: gonna do.
[23:16] Speaker 4: The right thing. Some positions are a little bit more
[23:18] Speaker 4: high maintenance than others.
[23:19] Speaker 5: Running back is not one of those positions that need
[23:21] Speaker 5: to be that that need to be a plug and play.
[23:23] Speaker 5: Let's go offensive line. You know that is always going
[23:26] Speaker 5: to be a work in progress. We're gonna always try
[23:28] Speaker 5: to target the length that we want in the size
[23:31] Speaker 5: that we want on the front. But I do think
[23:33] Speaker 5: at this level is always going to be hit or miss.
[23:35] Speaker 5: Some years you're gonna be able to hit on more
[23:37] Speaker 5: than you can't than you had the previous year. So
[23:39] Speaker 5: the number one thing we always keep in our mind
[23:42] Speaker 5: guys that are going to be really tough and gritty
[23:46] Speaker 5: and hard nose, right six one six three six four.
[23:50] Speaker 5: It doesn't really matter all the time if them guys
[23:52] Speaker 5: are tough, hard nose and gritty, because that's still gonna
[23:55] Speaker 5: be with the program is built off of. And then
[23:58] Speaker 5: the last you know, if the receiver position. And you know,
[24:01] Speaker 5: once again it's very similar to the running back. You
[24:03] Speaker 5: can win with all different styles, but we needed a
[24:05] Speaker 5: different body types in the room. We need to dig guys.
[24:08] Speaker 5: We need a small guys. We need guys they could
[24:10] Speaker 5: run really fast and explosive, but then we need those
[24:13] Speaker 5: guys that can, like I got to say, sometimes kisch
[24:15] Speaker 5: BB's in the dark. They just got great hands, but
[24:17] Speaker 5: they might not be as fast. So those guys were
[24:20] Speaker 5: really important to try to find just a different skill
[24:22] Speaker 5: sets in their room.
[24:23] Speaker 3: Constantly you mentioned you know, younger players or players that
[24:27] Speaker 3: are backsetting expectations and also with your offensive backgrounds. Last
[24:31] Speaker 3: year was new for everybody, right, new for the transfers,
[24:34] Speaker 3: new for the coaching staff together, new for you as
[24:36] Speaker 3: the head coach Kennesaw. This year you're starting over once
[24:40] Speaker 3: again in terms of a starting quarterback, new starting receivers.
[24:45] Speaker 3: Is it I wouldn't say easier, but is it a
[24:48] Speaker 3: different kind of challenge when it's once again new for
[24:51] Speaker 3: everybody in terms of expectations, new in terms of learning
[24:54] Speaker 3: scheme or would you I mean, obviously you'd rather have
[24:58] Speaker 3: returning experience, but is there certain advantage to everybody sort
[25:02] Speaker 3: of being on the same page where you know there's
[25:04] Speaker 3: so much new in the room, and now you have
[25:07] Speaker 3: the advantage as a coaching staff as Okay, we've established
[25:10] Speaker 3: this thing, these are our expectations.
[25:13] Speaker 5: It's very, very exciting because this time last year, when
[25:17] Speaker 5: we walked in the building in December, we didn't have
[25:20] Speaker 5: really anything to say. We were a whole new staff.
[25:22] Speaker 5: They were trying to trust a vision more than anything else.
[25:25] Speaker 5: So they were just taking they were taking a chance
[25:27] Speaker 5: on us, just like we were taking a chance on them.
[25:29] Speaker 5: This year, the whole, the whole cycle was a little
[25:32] Speaker 5: bit different because now you walk in there and they
[25:35] Speaker 5: come on a visit, you got a championship trophies into
[25:37] Speaker 5: the left of you, you got these statistics, you got
[25:40] Speaker 5: these guys that had had success all these all conference elections.
[25:44] Speaker 5: So there's just a different feel about the type of
[25:46] Speaker 5: athlete that we went out and attracted this year, and
[25:49] Speaker 5: so like now when they walk in the building, although
[25:51] Speaker 5: it's new and everything's new to everybody, like you said,
[25:54] Speaker 5: the coaches have already been in the system, so now
[25:56] Speaker 5: the players are hongry. That's what I see right now
[25:59] Speaker 5: from an as a standpoint, I see a bunch of
[26:01] Speaker 5: guys that they're trying. They want to be better than
[26:03] Speaker 5: the last year's group, so they're taking that as a challenge.
[26:06] Speaker 5: They're like the last year grew. I think we averaged
[26:08] Speaker 5: thirty four points in the in conference games, right, So,
[26:12] Speaker 5: like they.
[26:12] Speaker 4: Want to be better.
[26:13] Speaker 5: They're constantly in the build and they're constantly trying to
[26:15] Speaker 5: figure out like that guy was first team in All Conference,
[26:18] Speaker 5: I can do exactly what he did in better. So
[26:20] Speaker 5: like there's a home where and there's an age with
[26:23] Speaker 5: these guys right now that they see the writing on
[26:25] Speaker 5: the wall that they can do some things even better
[26:27] Speaker 5: than the last group did.
[26:29] Speaker 3: On the other side of things, what is it like,
[26:32] Speaker 3: I'm sure there are some responsibilities you and your staff
[26:34] Speaker 3: have as psychologists, right that if you're bringing in transfers
[26:38] Speaker 3: who either didn't play like they wanted to at a
[26:42] Speaker 3: previous stop or you know, we're not getting the playing
[26:46] Speaker 3: time they perhaps thought they should be getting at a
[26:48] Speaker 3: previous stop. You have to build these guys up to
[26:51] Speaker 3: a certain level and say you're at a winning place.
[26:54] Speaker 3: You're here for a reason, we believe in you. Now
[26:57] Speaker 3: go play like what is your responsibility? From a sort
[27:00] Speaker 3: of a mental.
[27:01] Speaker 5: Standpoint, everything is constantly like a psychological warfare. Is I
[27:07] Speaker 5: like to stay sometimes with all players transfers included. You know,
[27:12] Speaker 5: these guys all come from different backgrounds, different places, and
[27:15] Speaker 5: you don't exactly know what their situation was. You're gonna
[27:18] Speaker 5: get beats and pieces of it because you're gonna talk
[27:21] Speaker 5: to a coach that was at the previous school, You're
[27:23] Speaker 5: gonna talk to the key, You're gonna talk to you know,
[27:25] Speaker 5: other people that surround him, and somewhere in the middle
[27:28] Speaker 5: is the truth. Right somewhere in the middle is kind
[27:31] Speaker 5: of what happened. So when we get them in the building,
[27:34] Speaker 5: we're trying to take them for face value and figure
[27:36] Speaker 5: out what exactly happened at those places. A lot of
[27:39] Speaker 5: times it reveals itself extremely fast. Sometimes it takes a
[27:42] Speaker 5: little bit longer, but it does reveal itself why that
[27:45] Speaker 5: person wasn't able to play at the last place for
[27:48] Speaker 5: whatever the reason, and sometimes culturally or schemtically, it just
[27:52] Speaker 5: wasn't a fit. So like we're able to try to
[27:54] Speaker 5: figure that out too, But we pride ourselves on trying
[27:58] Speaker 5: to make sure.
[27:58] Speaker 4: That we're constantly talking to the guys.
[28:00] Speaker 5: When you talk about some of a mental mental health standpoint,
[28:03] Speaker 5: we have a mental health specialist that we work with,
[28:05] Speaker 5: a performance coach that we work with, So all those
[28:07] Speaker 5: different things we're trying to figure out as they kind
[28:10] Speaker 5: of come in the door. Some of those things we
[28:12] Speaker 5: already know before they come in the door, because we
[28:14] Speaker 5: were recruiting that person out of high school or from the.
[28:17] Speaker 4: Before they chose another place and we got them back.
[28:20] Speaker 5: So some of the information that we can already you know,
[28:22] Speaker 5: already have a symbol.
[28:24] Speaker 3: One of the things that you'll always see. I mean,
[28:27] Speaker 3: you talk about performance coaches and you can go online
[28:29] Speaker 3: and see any sort of motivational images and quotes about it.
[28:34] Speaker 3: You've been around as both a player and as a
[28:37] Speaker 3: head coach and as a position coach, and you know
[28:39] Speaker 3: all over the place. What were the biggest failures you
[28:43] Speaker 3: had leading up to kenisaw that helped you become immediately successful.
[28:49] Speaker 3: Nobody's successful without failures. So what was the big thing
[28:53] Speaker 3: that you were like, I messed this up at this
[28:56] Speaker 3: spot or even at Kenisau and this is how this helped.
[29:01] Speaker 5: Yeah, I think at twenty and one of my previous stops,
[29:03] Speaker 5: when I was the head coach in North Carolina. It
[29:05] Speaker 5: was twenty seventeen, and we had just came from playing
[29:08] Speaker 5: in Celebration Bowl the year before in twenty sixteen, and
[29:12] Speaker 5: you know, I wanted a chance to do something that
[29:14] Speaker 5: was really different.
[29:16] Speaker 4: We were going for our.
[29:17] Speaker 5: Fourth conference championship, and you know, we had a reputation.
[29:21] Speaker 5: A lot of people knew us in that level of football.
[29:23] Speaker 5: So I was able to attract a lot of I
[29:26] Speaker 5: guess transfers on our roster that were really dropped at
[29:30] Speaker 5: that time. They were guys from the Power four, and
[29:32] Speaker 5: I was really excited about the roster we was building.
[29:35] Speaker 5: And we finished seven and four that year, which wasn't bad,
[29:38] Speaker 5: but it wasn't really the standard that I knew we
[29:41] Speaker 5: could have played at. We could have been a whole
[29:43] Speaker 5: lot better, and I should not have taken so many
[29:47] Speaker 5: of those dropped down transfers because from a character standpoint,
[29:50] Speaker 5: they weren't the right fits. They were athletically, they were gifted,
[29:53] Speaker 5: a lot of them were very gifted, but from a
[29:56] Speaker 5: standpoint of did they fit our they fed our culture
[29:59] Speaker 5: where their characters where it needs to be. I did
[30:01] Speaker 5: not feel when I really sat back on that year
[30:03] Speaker 5: and looked at how they transpire, if we would have
[30:07] Speaker 5: just played some of the younger guys that had been
[30:09] Speaker 5: in our program as opposed to going to get transfers
[30:12] Speaker 5: that didn't fit culturally, I think we would have been
[30:14] Speaker 5: better off.
[30:15] Speaker 4: And I always remember that.
[30:17] Speaker 5: You know, nowadays it's a different world because you have
[30:19] Speaker 5: to sign so many transfers, but we still place a
[30:22] Speaker 5: high priority and a high premium on guys that culturally
[30:25] Speaker 5: fit in the character is extremely important to us.
[30:29] Speaker 4: We like the talent.
[30:30] Speaker 5: It doesn't take long to see if the kid can
[30:32] Speaker 5: play or not, and we understand that after about two
[30:35] Speaker 5: minutes of watching the film, two or three minutes of
[30:36] Speaker 5: watching the film. But if they come in this building
[30:39] Speaker 5: and other people that visit with them, the GM, the
[30:42] Speaker 5: position coach, the coordinator, heck our director on campus recruiting
[30:46] Speaker 5: the young ladies, if they don't feel good about the
[30:48] Speaker 5: person as they sit down and have these dinners and
[30:51] Speaker 5: watch film and show them on tours of the school.
[30:54] Speaker 5: Then we move on extremely fast.
[30:57] Speaker 2: Coach, you were in the NFL for a bit. We
[30:59] Speaker 2: got a question from our community asking what you learned
[31:03] Speaker 2: from your stint in the NFL and how you apply
[31:06] Speaker 2: that as a head coach. And I would go a
[31:08] Speaker 2: step further, if only because college football has changed a lot.
[31:12] Speaker 2: And one of the more popular messages that Dan and
[31:14] Speaker 2: I get is often comparing college football to the NFL,
[31:17] Speaker 2: just with on the front office side of things. I
[31:20] Speaker 2: guess how that has changed, how players are paid now.
[31:23] Speaker 2: I mean a lot has gone on here over the
[31:25] Speaker 2: last five years. What did you learn from the NFL
[31:29] Speaker 2: that you are applying here in college and just in general,
[31:32] Speaker 2: How do the two stages of football coaching compare?
[31:36] Speaker 5: And I think the first thing is the way we practice,
[31:39] Speaker 5: you know, in the NFL during the months of really
[31:41] Speaker 5: April and may you have all these OTAs or these
[31:44] Speaker 5: rookie mini camps and all these different things, and there's
[31:46] Speaker 5: not a lot of real physical contact going on at
[31:50] Speaker 5: the at these OTAs. You know, this very limited real contact.
[31:54] Speaker 5: And I think when I came back to college, and
[31:56] Speaker 5: you know, the roster sizes are smaller than they were
[31:59] Speaker 5: when I left before or when that rule pass. Just
[32:02] Speaker 5: looking at, okay, how we're going to make sure player health,
[32:05] Speaker 5: player of safety, getting guys to Saturdays, getting guys throughout
[32:09] Speaker 5: the course of the week, keeping them upright. How we're
[32:11] Speaker 5: going to change our practice because we're not left It
[32:14] Speaker 5: was a lot of you know, there's a lot of tackle,
[32:16] Speaker 5: there's a lot of banging. You got guys beat up,
[32:18] Speaker 5: the bodies beat up in spring where their bodies beat
[32:20] Speaker 5: up doing camp. The OTAs are not built in structure
[32:23] Speaker 5: like that. The training camps aren't structured like that anymore
[32:25] Speaker 5: in the National Football League because it's all about trying
[32:28] Speaker 5: to keep guys healthy. So you have to be smart
[32:31] Speaker 5: about the drills that you do. You have to be
[32:33] Speaker 5: smart about the player loads, sports signs that goes into it.
[32:36] Speaker 5: Those are different things that I took from the NFL
[32:38] Speaker 5: and trying to apply to college.
[32:40] Speaker 4: How we structure our practices.
[32:42] Speaker 5: Some days, you know, two or three days, it may
[32:44] Speaker 5: be high volume, then in one or two days it
[32:46] Speaker 5: may be mid then another day may be low volume.
[32:49] Speaker 4: So just figuring out all those.
[32:50] Speaker 5: Different aspects and how they look I think that was
[32:54] Speaker 5: really the biggest thing from that standpoint, the other side
[32:57] Speaker 5: of the ball, I mean, the other side of the
[32:58] Speaker 5: spectrum when you talk about like you know, the gms
[33:01] Speaker 5: and the player personnels and how we structure the finances
[33:04] Speaker 5: and all those different things. Really it's about where are
[33:07] Speaker 5: we investing our money at? Can we we only have
[33:10] Speaker 5: so many so much funds, right, so we don't have
[33:12] Speaker 5: so much money? So are we putting X amount of
[33:15] Speaker 5: dollars in the quarterback position, x amount of dollars in
[33:17] Speaker 5: the defensive end position? Where is all that money being placed?
[33:21] Speaker 5: Very similar to when you look at the NFL, like
[33:23] Speaker 5: how much are we going to play our running back
[33:25] Speaker 5: room as a composed to our linebacker room? Like when
[33:28] Speaker 5: I got When I was in the NFL with Jacksonville,
[33:31] Speaker 5: you know, I would have conversations with our salary cap
[33:33] Speaker 5: got and just kind of figure out what his thought process,
[33:36] Speaker 5: Why did they choose to do X, what's available out
[33:39] Speaker 5: there on the market, How good is this player compared
[33:41] Speaker 5: to this player? Looking at some of those things too,
[33:44] Speaker 5: from a standpoint of I turned the film on player X, right,
[33:48] Speaker 5: like he may have had a really good quarterback and
[33:51] Speaker 5: player X may have had fifteen to twenty more catches
[33:53] Speaker 5: than this other player, but this other player has less drops, right,
[33:57] Speaker 5: So like he's just not getting targeted as much, or
[33:59] Speaker 5: he's not getting the opportunities because the quarterback is not
[34:02] Speaker 5: as good, but his catch radios or catch account is
[34:07] Speaker 5: a whole lot more because he doesn't drop balls. Diving
[34:10] Speaker 5: into really is like playing moneyball almost. You're really diving
[34:13] Speaker 5: into like the personnel. You find details of what you're
[34:17] Speaker 5: seeing to see how it's going to fit in your system.
[34:19] Speaker 5: And that's kind of what the approach that we take here.
[34:21] Speaker 5: We're looking at guys, no matter from what level, who's
[34:24] Speaker 5: been productive and why they have been productive is really
[34:27] Speaker 5: more important.
[34:28] Speaker 2: I mean, what you're describing as golf, you're describing bogey avoidance, right,
[34:32] Speaker 2: just don't make mistakes. We want guys on the roster
[34:35] Speaker 2: who are the right character, who aren't going to get
[34:37] Speaker 2: in the way. We want receivers who aren't going to
[34:39] Speaker 2: drop passes, quarterbacks who don't turn the football over. And
[34:44] Speaker 2: I guess, bigger picture, a practice structure that doesn't get
[34:47] Speaker 2: guys hurt.
[34:48] Speaker 5: Yes, at the end of the day, is really all
[34:51] Speaker 5: about can I get the best player on my roster,
[34:55] Speaker 5: the healthiest he can be to those game days and
[34:58] Speaker 5: as we go through the whole process as how we work,
[35:00] Speaker 5: how we train, how we identify the prospects and get
[35:04] Speaker 5: them in our building like that, all that stuff is
[35:07] Speaker 5: really really important. There's a lot of talented players out there.
[35:10] Speaker 5: There really are, but every talented player is not going
[35:13] Speaker 5: to be a fit for your program. Just because the
[35:15] Speaker 5: most talented teams don't always win championships. It's really the
[35:18] Speaker 5: teams to come together the most, and that the coaches
[35:21] Speaker 5: have done a good job of placing those people.
[35:23] Speaker 4: In positions to be successful in.
[35:26] Speaker 2: Their college coaching realm. Who do you model your style most? After?
[35:34] Speaker 5: Oh, I don't you know what, that's a good question.
[35:37] Speaker 5: I've never really sat down and thought about. I think
[35:39] Speaker 5: I'm just I'm just me. I don't think it.
[35:41] Speaker 2: Just aunt that's an okay answer, no, right answer.
[35:46] Speaker 4: I don't really look at a lot of guys. You know.
[35:47] Speaker 5: There are a lot of guys you know, I know
[35:50] Speaker 5: in respect, but you know, I don't really model itself
[35:53] Speaker 5: out of anybody. I have a formula I have. I have,
[35:56] Speaker 5: I guess a brand that I've built for the last
[35:59] Speaker 5: twenty twenty one years, and I just try to be
[36:01] Speaker 5: the best version of me.
[36:03] Speaker 1: So you have to do that.
[36:05] Speaker 3: By the way, when you're recruiting, whether it's high school,
[36:07] Speaker 3: whether it's portal, you're selling yourself. You are constantly to parents,
[36:12] Speaker 3: two coaches, to the kids themselves. You are selling the
[36:16] Speaker 3: Jerry Mack story. What do you highlight? How do you
[36:19] Speaker 3: go about being both authentic? But you have to be
[36:22] Speaker 3: like savvy, right, you have to say, like, here are
[36:25] Speaker 3: things about me that I want to highlight that set
[36:28] Speaker 3: me apart or at least make me seem to be
[36:30] Speaker 3: more human than whoever else I'm recruiting against. So like,
[36:35] Speaker 3: I'm not going to ask you to be like put On,
[36:38] Speaker 3: but like, how do you sell yourself in those situations?
[36:41] Speaker 4: Well, well, I'm self made. You know.
[36:43] Speaker 5: I wasn't in this game. I didn't come in this
[36:45] Speaker 5: game with a dad, had a coach. Twenty years in
[36:47] Speaker 5: the NFL, or nobody ever gave me anything. I was
[36:50] Speaker 5: always a guy that just really worked from the ground
[36:53] Speaker 5: up and earn my way, earn my key. You know,
[36:55] Speaker 5: I've worked at every single level of college football for
[36:59] Speaker 5: the most part, worked in the National Football League, been
[37:02] Speaker 5: a part of explosive offenses. I've been a head coach
[37:05] Speaker 5: five years, and then those five years, I've won four championships.
[37:07] Speaker 5: So I think like that kind of to me, kind
[37:09] Speaker 5: of speaks for his cell phone. When I sit down
[37:12] Speaker 5: with these jump people and I talk about I can
[37:14] Speaker 5: talk to you about the National Football League. I can
[37:16] Speaker 5: talk to you about high level college. I can talk
[37:18] Speaker 5: to you about how we're going to build our program,
[37:20] Speaker 5: the culture of the program, how we're going to develop
[37:22] Speaker 5: the young player, how we're going to put him in
[37:24] Speaker 5: the best situation to be successful on and off the field,
[37:26] Speaker 5: which is really important. It's really about my brain, is
[37:29] Speaker 5: really about developing the entire student athlete in this day
[37:32] Speaker 5: and age.
[37:34] Speaker 3: What do you do You ever talk about you as
[37:35] Speaker 3: a person in terms of like I like Japanese movies,
[37:39] Speaker 3: I like barbecue, I like this TV? Like do you
[37:43] Speaker 3: I feel like that would be something Maybe that's just
[37:44] Speaker 3: me being naive that I would highlight about myself because
[37:48] Speaker 3: so many coaches are working twenty hours a day and
[37:51] Speaker 3: you get a lot of those same conversations. It's football, football, football?
[37:56] Speaker 3: Do you find success in highlighting other things about yourself?
[38:00] Speaker 5: I do you know when you're having these dinners and
[38:02] Speaker 5: you send down talking to parents, talking to players, all
[38:04] Speaker 5: these kind of different things. So I got three kids, right,
[38:06] Speaker 5: I got two in college and one in college now,
[38:09] Speaker 5: and when us graduated, I got another one that's fourteen.
[38:12] Speaker 5: So he's like living the teenage life, right, So you know,
[38:16] Speaker 5: the parents have a lot of parents have been through
[38:18] Speaker 5: that kind of stuff.
[38:19] Speaker 4: You know.
[38:19] Speaker 5: I love sitting down watching all the streaming networks, Hulu, Netflix,
[38:24] Speaker 5: all those different things. I love documentaries. I just got
[38:27] Speaker 5: through watching the Past Summit documentary the other other night.
[38:31] Speaker 5: So like all those different things we have in these conversations,
[38:35] Speaker 5: you know, at the table, I'm a big YouTube watcher,
[38:37] Speaker 5: so I love to scroll. My wife hates it, but
[38:39] Speaker 5: I love. I love scrolling YouTube, going down rabbit holes,
[38:42] Speaker 5: watching nonsense.
[38:43] Speaker 1: What are your rabbit holes? What are your rabbit holes?
[38:45] Speaker 4: That could be anything.
[38:46] Speaker 5: It could be anything from learning about finances, listening to
[38:50] Speaker 5: all the investment strategies to you know, entertainment tonight, you know,
[38:54] Speaker 5: just watching watching Who the New, Who got the Who
[38:57] Speaker 5: got the Oscars, who got the Grammys? All that kind
[38:59] Speaker 5: of good stuff, and listening to interview. So we go
[39:02] Speaker 5: down rabbit holes all the time.
[39:04] Speaker 3: Okay, love to hear when you so one of the
[39:06] Speaker 3: things that you talked about this and this is sort
[39:07] Speaker 3: of related. When you are at Tennessee, you're in a
[39:11] Speaker 3: place with money, with prestige obviously a good amount of success. Historically,
[39:17] Speaker 3: kennisall is a different place besides from I guess just
[39:21] Speaker 3: a budget to play to pay players. What is the
[39:25] Speaker 3: difference between walking into your facility and you know, your
[39:29] Speaker 3: weight room and walking into one at a place like Tennessee.
[39:33] Speaker 3: Is the difference as stark as people may think or
[39:37] Speaker 3: you know, is it sort of like at the end
[39:39] Speaker 3: of the day, these are the things we have in common.
[39:41] Speaker 5: Yeah, I think from a standpoint of the magnitude of
[39:45] Speaker 5: the buildings, the sizes of things it. Those type of
[39:49] Speaker 5: schools are massive, right, Like they have all the bills
[39:53] Speaker 5: and whistles, whether it's a barbershop or whether it's a
[39:57] Speaker 5: recording studio or podcast studio.
[39:59] Speaker 4: For the players that to go through all those bells
[40:02] Speaker 4: and whistle things are real.
[40:03] Speaker 5: At those kinds of places, we don't have all those
[40:06] Speaker 5: types of bells and whistles. From a standpoint of the
[40:09] Speaker 5: other thing that's really different is the personnel piece, Like
[40:14] Speaker 5: there's one person to do one job everywhere in the building.
[40:17] Speaker 5: At those kind of programs. At our program there's one
[40:20] Speaker 5: guy that he may do three jobs. So the personnel
[40:24] Speaker 5: then the support staffs looks different. They just have way
[40:27] Speaker 5: more people that are employed to do certain things where
[40:30] Speaker 5: we have less people. But when you unveil the current
[40:33] Speaker 5: and you really get into how do you win and
[40:36] Speaker 5: why do you win and why do you lose? All
[40:38] Speaker 5: those different things as far as the exit and o's
[40:40] Speaker 5: the scheme, the developing players, the relationships that you deal
[40:43] Speaker 5: with guys like all that's exactly the same, and like
[40:47] Speaker 5: the football piece doesn't go anywhere. What really matters at
[40:51] Speaker 5: the end of the day is the football and how
[40:53] Speaker 5: you can pour and develop the player and what kind
[40:55] Speaker 5: of connection you can have with the player. That's not
[40:58] Speaker 5: going to ever change in the history of a ball.
[41:00] Speaker 5: But you know, every place is different as far as
[41:03] Speaker 5: you know the taj mahals that you can bald. That's
[41:05] Speaker 5: why it's so important to me that we make sure
[41:08] Speaker 5: that you know, when they walk into our building, it
[41:10] Speaker 5: feels like Disney World from a standpoint of how they're
[41:12] Speaker 5: going to get treated. Everybody loves going to Disney, where
[41:15] Speaker 5: everybody's engaged. You know, you just don't like, oh, you
[41:17] Speaker 5: look at your pocketbook sometimes you see.
[41:21] Speaker 4: But the experience is awesome.
[41:23] Speaker 3: Right, So what so if you could choose one bell
[41:27] Speaker 3: and one whistle right that when you're talking to your
[41:30] Speaker 3: bosses or you're talking to boosters, what is it? Is
[41:34] Speaker 3: it just a personnel and headcount thing? What is something
[41:36] Speaker 3: that you're like, Okay, we don't have the type of
[41:39] Speaker 3: coin that you know, a Tennessee or a Notre Dame
[41:42] Speaker 3: or Oregon or whatever has, but if we could do this,
[41:47] Speaker 3: that would be like a really great step for the program.
[41:50] Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's some of everything. It's not just one.
[41:53] Speaker 5: Like obviously, we want to continue to build facilities the
[41:55] Speaker 5: right way.
[41:56] Speaker 4: We want to.
[41:57] Speaker 5: We want to continue to get some of those bells
[41:58] Speaker 5: and whistles because the goal is to try to make
[42:01] Speaker 5: sure that you can keep your players around you in
[42:04] Speaker 5: the building as much as premely possible. We want to
[42:07] Speaker 5: make it feel like a resort. You know, when you
[42:09] Speaker 5: go to a resort, you at their place, you don't
[42:11] Speaker 5: have to leave. You know, you got the restaurants that
[42:13] Speaker 5: you want to go to, you can work out, you
[42:15] Speaker 5: can do any extracurricular activities that you want. All that
[42:17] Speaker 5: stuff is kind of a one stop shot the more
[42:20] Speaker 5: that we can talk to our people here at KENNESA
[42:22] Speaker 5: about making our building and making our facilities more of
[42:25] Speaker 5: a one stop shop. They don't have to go off
[42:27] Speaker 5: site for recovery. They don't have to go anywhere if
[42:29] Speaker 5: they want to, like you said, if they want to
[42:31] Speaker 5: have go bowling or anything like that, they don't have
[42:33] Speaker 5: to leave. They don't have to leave campus. They don't
[42:34] Speaker 5: have to leave our building. So therefore, it just gives
[42:37] Speaker 5: you a chance to get the guy in the building
[42:39] Speaker 5: more walkthroughs and more film study. It's kind of a
[42:42] Speaker 5: you know, it's kind of a trick. You're getting them
[42:44] Speaker 5: in the building to do everything along with you keep
[42:47] Speaker 5: pouring in to them from the football standpoint in the
[42:48] Speaker 5: relationship building too.
[42:51] Speaker 2: His name is coach Jerry Mack. You can find all
[42:53] Speaker 2: his fine work as we say here at Kansas State. Coach,
[42:57] Speaker 2: I'm going to get you out of here on this.
[42:58] Speaker 2: This is one of the other questions that came through
[43:01] Speaker 2: VR community. Your favorite spot for lemon pepper wings in Atlanta?
[43:06] Speaker 2: If you have a spot for lemon pepper wings in Atlanta.
[43:09] Speaker 4: Oh, you're putting me on the spot right here.
[43:13] Speaker 2: Or just let's put it this way. It doesn't need
[43:14] Speaker 2: to be for lemon pepper wings. But food spot in Atlanta.
[43:18] Speaker 2: If you are making a recommendation to friends or family.
[43:22] Speaker 5: Food spot, well, I'm being on chops. I think it's
[43:25] Speaker 5: a couple of different locations here. It's a really nice steakhouse.
[43:29] Speaker 5: I think it's one in Buckhead that me and the
[43:31] Speaker 5: wife like to go to. But I'm gonna go back
[43:33] Speaker 5: to your wing question. There's one right over here by campus.
[43:37] Speaker 5: It's really people don't know this, but it's Miller's Alehouse.
[43:40] Speaker 5: They have some of the best, just pure wings. It's
[43:42] Speaker 5: from a side standpoint that I've been around.
[43:46] Speaker 3: I'm looking at it right now and I think I
[43:50] Speaker 3: just have to agree. It looks great. Not a sponsor
[43:54] Speaker 3: of this show, but man, if you're right there and
[43:57] Speaker 3: you want to run into Kennesas State Football Royalty, maybe
[44:01] Speaker 3: that's the move.
[44:04] Speaker 4: All right.
[44:05] Speaker 2: Well, his name is again Jerry Mack continued success. Congratulations
[44:10] Speaker 2: on a great season in twenty twenty five. We got
[44:13] Speaker 2: to bring you back on again sometime soon, maybe maybe
[44:15] Speaker 2: at some point during the year to hear how things
[44:16] Speaker 2: are going. But we enjoyed this tremendously and thanks for
[44:20] Speaker 2: helping us make it happen.
[44:21] Speaker 4: Man, no doubt my pleasure.
[44:22] Speaker 2: Guys, appreciate you all Right, there you go, coach Jerry
[44:26] Speaker 2: mack Root on the Kansas State Owls this year, had
[44:31] Speaker 2: a great campaign in year one last year. We'll see
[44:34] Speaker 2: what they can do as a follow up campaign here
[44:37] Speaker 2: in twenty twenty six. Now coming in is the Conference
[44:40] Speaker 2: USA defending champions. It's great to catch up with them.
[44:43] Speaker 2: It's good to get that perspective.
[44:45] Speaker 3: He answered the question almost exactly like I would have
[44:48] Speaker 3: answered the question about how to sell yourself as a human, right,
[44:51] Speaker 3: because they're all going to say, you know, we develop
[44:53] Speaker 3: this player and this is the kind of things we
[44:55] Speaker 3: do in the program. But like, at a certain point
[44:57] Speaker 3: you want to be able to relate to other people
[45:00] Speaker 3: well as a human and to be like, well, I
[45:02] Speaker 3: have kids and I go down YouTube rabbit holes. What
[45:05] Speaker 3: else do you need to know?
[45:06] Speaker 2: I mean, that's about as human as you're going to
[45:08] Speaker 2: get in twenty twenty six.
[45:09] Speaker 1: Exactly right.
[45:10] Speaker 3: So, No, it was great having them on the perspective
[45:12] Speaker 3: of you know, I was I'm always very curious about
[45:15] Speaker 3: these guys with you know, if you're a successful program
[45:17] Speaker 3: in Conference USA in the Mountain West, wherever you're just
[45:20] Speaker 3: going to lose huge players to the portal and the
[45:24] Speaker 3: ability to provide stability at a place when the roster
[45:29] Speaker 3: turns over as much as it is everywhere, is difficult.
[45:33] Speaker 3: It seems from the outside right that you're just like,
[45:35] Speaker 3: now you can say, this is how we do things here.
[45:38] Speaker 1: This is our way of operating.
[45:39] Speaker 3: These are our schedule, you know, priorities, and this is
[45:44] Speaker 3: our culture. This is how we focus, This is how
[45:46] Speaker 3: we you know, communicate with players and parents and assistants whatever.
[45:50] Speaker 3: That it seems like a full time job in and
[45:52] Speaker 3: of itself, even aside from you know, working on winning
[45:56] Speaker 3: football games. Oh yeah, fascinating stuff.
[45:58] Speaker 2: And you know the other thing I know, and you
[46:01] Speaker 2: don't hear talked that much about obviously a group of
[46:05] Speaker 2: five program best players. We hear a lot about them
[46:09] Speaker 2: transferring up right, as he said, to Washington or Syracuse
[46:12] Speaker 2: or wherever to get into the power for But one
[46:15] Speaker 2: thing that stands out if you look at the chunk
[46:18] Speaker 2: of names coming in this year for Kennesaw, certainly last year,
[46:23] Speaker 2: is a lot of guys at what you would proceed
[46:25] Speaker 2: to be quote unquote bigger programs, power programs coming down
[46:29] Speaker 2: to play for the Owls to get playing time, perhaps
[46:33] Speaker 2: among other things. And you just wonder if the success continues,
[46:38] Speaker 2: if we will continue seeing a similar trend of guys
[46:41] Speaker 2: maybe at bigger places, who also are bought into what
[46:44] Speaker 2: Jerry Mack is building and want to contribute to the
[46:47] Speaker 2: success of future teams. So a great interview with him
[46:51] Speaker 2: was great to get him his perspective. Obviously, year one
[46:54] Speaker 2: went really really well for the Kennesau State Owls Dan,
[46:57] Speaker 2: so we'll bring him back soon. That was fun.
[47:00] Speaker 1: Can't wait.
[47:00] Speaker 3: And as an addendum to the introduction of this show,
[47:05] Speaker 3: the Secret Garbage Bracket, if you have not yet listened,
[47:08] Speaker 3: if you did not listen to the one from what
[47:10] Speaker 3: was it twenty seventeen, the original one.
[47:12] Speaker 2: March seventeenth, twenty seventeen, yes.
[47:14] Speaker 3: Twenty seventeen, if you haven't listened to either one of those,
[47:16] Speaker 3: and I don't think I did a good enough job
[47:18] Speaker 3: on this year's episode with a preamble the different items
[47:24] Speaker 3: that we discussed and made a bracket of on the
[47:26] Speaker 3: Secret Garbage Bracket, we obviously accept them all as fine
[47:31] Speaker 3: and necessary on some level, but also might.
[47:35] Speaker 1: This item be secret garbage?
[47:38] Speaker 3: I don't want to be I don't I think I
[47:40] Speaker 3: was perhaps unfairly negative to certain things without saying like, yes,
[47:46] Speaker 3: obviously cars are fine. We all need cars on a
[47:50] Speaker 3: certain level to do things in our life, and some
[47:53] Speaker 3: of those experiences are better than others. But also cars
[47:56] Speaker 3: can be secret garbage. Right, That's what I think I
[47:58] Speaker 3: need to do a better job of doing. And in addition,
[48:02] Speaker 3: ty I think on this week's bonus episode only found
[48:06] Speaker 3: at what Verballers dot com, verballers dot com, Patreon dot com,
[48:09] Speaker 3: slash solid verbal if you're a thorough type, we're going
[48:14] Speaker 3: to do a secret treasure. Yes bracket, so that will
[48:17] Speaker 3: only be available for our Patreon subscribers. But yeah, so
[48:21] Speaker 3: secret treasure, so something that's like not discussed a lot,
[48:26] Speaker 3: not a prominent part of conversations or everyday life in
[48:29] Speaker 3: twenty twenty six, but is secretly an absolute treasure.
[48:35] Speaker 2: Slip on shoes. We slip on shoes.
[48:38] Speaker 1: Oh, is that on one of yours? It's going to
[48:40] Speaker 1: be Okay, I have so many.
[48:43] Speaker 3: So this is our attempt to even out our own
[48:46] Speaker 3: little corner of the universe.
[48:48] Speaker 1: Yes, I think that's fair.
[48:51] Speaker 2: You still probably owe the Verballer hood an apology for
[48:55] Speaker 2: the haircut industrial car.
[48:57] Speaker 1: I apologize for nothing.
[48:58] Speaker 2: That makes I spent all weekend thinking about that. I
[49:02] Speaker 2: think it makes less sense to me now than it
[49:04] Speaker 2: did when you introduced it. And I know we've had
[49:06] Speaker 2: some people chime in and say that they agree with it,
[49:08] Speaker 2: and that to each his own, I don't. It literally
[49:12] Speaker 2: makes no sense to me what you are describing. So
[49:15] Speaker 2: I'm glad you feel good about it. That one. To me,
[49:18] Speaker 2: I'm still I don't. I just don't. I don't get you.
[49:22] Speaker 2: I don't I love you. I don't get you.
[49:24] Speaker 1: You know.
[49:24] Speaker 3: I just think we've reached the limit of your comprehension.
[49:28] Speaker 3: And that's okay.
[49:30] Speaker 2: RAM is in short supply these days, as you know,
[49:32] Speaker 2: RAM is in very short sea. I could use an upgrade.
[49:35] Speaker 2: Not gonna lie, all right, that's good, that's fine. I
[49:38] Speaker 2: appreciate everybody's feedback on the Secret Garbage Bracket, and uh,
[49:44] Speaker 2: people are saying many people are saying that that should
[49:47] Speaker 2: just be the show, just ditch the flame.
[49:52] Speaker 4: Aout.
[49:53] Speaker 3: Yeah, it would. It would just start to get very specific.
[49:56] Speaker 3: We'll just be like, all right, next item, Frien's wife
[50:02] Speaker 3: secretly garbage.
[50:03] Speaker 1: Right, It'll becoming immensely personal now.
[50:06] Speaker 3: But yes, I always have fun with that and so
[50:08] Speaker 3: we look forward to bringing that back in twenty thirty five.
[50:12] Speaker 4: Five.
[50:12] Speaker 2: All right, yeah, anything else? We got anything else in
[50:15] Speaker 2: this episode before? Well, that's it man, Okay, Well, on
[50:19] Speaker 2: that note, we appreciate again coach Jerry Mack being so
[50:23] Speaker 2: generous with his time. We will definitely hope to bring
[50:27] Speaker 2: him back at some point here in the very near future.
[50:29] Speaker 2: Good luck to him in the Kennesaus State Owls in
[50:31] Speaker 2: twenty twenty six. If you made it this far through,
[50:34] Speaker 2: please hit follow or subscribe, whatever app you're on, whatever
[50:38] Speaker 2: you watch us on, however it is you consume the content.
[50:41] Speaker 2: We'd appreciate if you stick around two episodes all throughout
[50:45] Speaker 2: the off season each week. Once we get a little
[50:47] Speaker 2: bit closer when the rubber starts beating the road, that's
[50:50] Speaker 2: when we'll flip it over to three week start previewing teams.
[50:53] Speaker 2: But still got a few months before that happens. In
[50:56] Speaker 2: the meantime for Ballers dot com is where you can
[50:58] Speaker 2: go if you want to so directly support what Dan
[51:02] Speaker 2: and I do for that guy over there, my good
[51:05] Speaker 2: friend Dan Rubinstein, for myself, Tie Hildebrand. We will catch
[51:08] Speaker 2: you all on Thursday. In the meantime, stay sound peace?
[51:20] Speaker 4: All right?
[51:20] Speaker 3: Ty quick post credits game show working title portal Kings.
[51:25] Speaker 3: Player enters his name into the portal and then ends
[51:28] Speaker 3: up somewhere else. I'm gonna give you five names. I'm
[51:30] Speaker 3: putting thirty seconds on the board, and here we go.
[51:35] Speaker 2: Spencer Rattler went from Oklahoma to South Carolina?
[51:40] Speaker 1: Correct Hendon Hooker?
[51:43] Speaker 4: Oh?
[51:44] Speaker 2: Was it Virginia Tech to Tennessee? Jamiir Gibbs went from
[51:48] Speaker 2: Georgia Tech to Alabama.
[51:50] Speaker 1: Wandale Robinson, Oh, I.
[51:55] Speaker 2: Know he ended up at Kentucky. I don't remember who
[51:56] Speaker 2: he was before.
[51:57] Speaker 1: That Nebraska final one. Nick Gorton.
[52:02] Speaker 2: Nick Gorton went from Purdue to Texas A and.
[52:04] Speaker 3: M twenty nine point nine to eight seconds.
[52:08] Speaker 1: But you got four out of five.
[52:09] Speaker 2: Oh it's not bad, right.
[52:11] Speaker 1: Pretty good? Wanda?
[52:12] Speaker 2: Was that Nebraska? I forgot about that Nebraska.

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