# 2026 NFL Draft Preview with Nate Tice of Yahoo Sports

An episode of [The Solid Verbal College Football Show](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/270037732), 21 Apr 2026, 1 h 23 min.

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It's time for one of our favorite traditions: Our annual NFL Draft preview with Nate Tice of Yahoo Sports. Nate walks us through why the 2026 class should be defined by the word "useful" rather than "generational," how color-coded chips on his big board separate the truly elite from scheme-dependent prospects, and why the lack of consensus near the top could produce a first round full of surprises and trades. We talked through the most accurate comps and comparisons for Fernando Mendoza, the incredible Ohio State defensive factory, the Ty Simpson versus Garrett Nussmeier conversation, Jeremiyah Love's place among recently drafted running backs, Oregon's Kenyon Sadiq and Dillon Thieneman, a loaded class of offensive linemen and much more. Support the show!: https://www.patreon.com/solidverbal See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:02] Speaker 1: Welcome to the Solid Verbal.
[0:04] Speaker 2: I'll that for me.
[0:06] Speaker 3: I'm a man, I'm forty.
[0:08] Speaker 4: I've heard so many players say, well, I want to
[0:10] Speaker 4: be happy.
[0:10] Speaker 5: You want to be happy for date Edo State?
[0:13] Speaker 3: Is that? Whoo whoom and Dan and tie Dan Rubinstein,
[0:19] Speaker 3: it is time for an annual tradition here on Solid Verbal, Sir,
[0:23] Speaker 3: welcome back.
[0:24] Speaker 5: How are you?
[0:24] Speaker 4: I'm great. It is a great tradition. I love this
[0:28] Speaker 4: show annually. I love the NFL Draft annually. I always
[0:31] Speaker 4: have from all different sorts of perspectives, you know, first
[0:34] Speaker 4: as an NFL fan and as a college fan, and
[0:37] Speaker 4: then there's somebody who covers college football, and then somebody
[0:40] Speaker 4: just curious and interested about the math and the value
[0:45] Speaker 4: and the process of drafting and evaluating, and so that
[0:48] Speaker 4: all comes together in a delicious stew of having Nate
[0:51] Speaker 4: Tye on the show.
[0:52] Speaker 2: So I'm always excited.
[0:53] Speaker 3: This is like our annual tradition. This is like year
[0:56] Speaker 3: four or five. Yeah, Oh, it's great us doing this
[0:59] Speaker 3: with Nate tic from Yahoo Sports from the three to
[1:01] Speaker 3: one podcast. They are also doing a live show which
[1:07] Speaker 3: I watched exclusively. Well are you last year? I did?
[1:10] Speaker 3: I want to support the team, you know, Nate comes
[1:12] Speaker 3: on and gives us so much of his time. He
[1:14] Speaker 3: does a good job. I enjoy his commentary. So we'll
[1:17] Speaker 3: talk about that and give folks a little bit of
[1:20] Speaker 3: a clue as to how they can tune in as
[1:22] Speaker 3: well if they are ever so inclined on Thursday and Friday.
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[1:57] Speaker 3: bunch of stuff going on here, even though it is
[2:00] Speaker 3: the College of ball offseason.
[2:01] Speaker 4: Dan, are you excited for this year's draft specifically? I
[2:04] Speaker 4: know sometimes people are look, you're rooting for a team
[2:06] Speaker 4: in the NFL that's not necessarily in the most exciting
[2:09] Speaker 4: place and so on a certain level that is exciting
[2:12] Speaker 4: because you're like, we need better players, we need to
[2:15] Speaker 4: get better.
[2:15] Speaker 2: And on another level.
[2:16] Speaker 4: You was like, I don't know, how are any of
[2:18] Speaker 4: these guys going to help improve this situation. Do you
[2:22] Speaker 4: feel more of a kinship to like hoping for Notre
[2:24] Speaker 4: Dame players to do right by the program?
[2:26] Speaker 3: I do, Yeah, I mean Notre Dame Penn State players,
[2:29] Speaker 3: of course. But and I've said this a million times.
[2:32] Speaker 3: People who listen to the show have heard me say
[2:34] Speaker 3: it's a point of intersect, but it really is. It's
[2:37] Speaker 3: one of those points in the football offseason where we
[2:41] Speaker 3: do have this weird overlap. And I know a lot
[2:43] Speaker 3: of people that listen to this show maybe don't give
[2:45] Speaker 3: a rip about the NFL or the NFL draft, But
[2:48] Speaker 3: on that same note, there are plenty of people who do.
[2:50] Speaker 3: And I think a lot of people who listen to
[2:52] Speaker 3: us find themselves in a similar situation where either there
[2:56] Speaker 3: was a player for their team that they're interested in
[2:58] Speaker 3: seeing where they go and how they do at the
[3:00] Speaker 3: next level, or just players maybe that weren't on their team.
[3:03] Speaker 3: Interesting guys. Jeremi Love is probably a really good example
[3:06] Speaker 3: of that. Interesting players who have kicked up a lot
[3:09] Speaker 3: of dust here throughout the course of their college career,
[3:12] Speaker 3: throughout the course of the pre draft combines and what
[3:14] Speaker 3: have you, and they're just genuinely interested to see where
[3:19] Speaker 3: things go, how it translates to the next level, which
[3:23] Speaker 3: is why we do the show with Nate, which is
[3:25] Speaker 3: why we're gonna do another show next.
[3:27] Speaker 1: Week, a week from today, where we're.
[3:29] Speaker 3: Going to talk through what it might mean for your
[3:31] Speaker 3: fantasy football team, because that's another thing, a weird point
[3:34] Speaker 3: of overlap here. So yeah, we're gonna go a little
[3:38] Speaker 3: harder at the NFL Draft this year. Personally, Yeah, I'm excited.
[3:41] Speaker 3: I'm excited because a I enjoy seeing where college guys goes.
[3:45] Speaker 1: That's sort of our deal here.
[3:47] Speaker 3: But secondly, I root for a team that has two
[3:50] Speaker 3: top ten picks now in the New York Football Giants,
[3:52] Speaker 3: so I want to see what they're gonna do. Selfishly,
[3:55] Speaker 3: I need to ask Nate about that at the end
[3:56] Speaker 3: of the interview, but yeah, I'm gonna be watching for sure.
[4:00] Speaker 4: Well, I mean, this is a huge moment for basically
[4:02] Speaker 4: every school that has hopes of having a you know, first, second,
[4:05] Speaker 4: third round pick, because it's something you can sell as
[4:07] Speaker 4: a program, you're like, okay, we had three first round picks,
[4:10] Speaker 4: we had nine top two round picks, whatever, And so
[4:14] Speaker 4: it is a huge selling point, a marketing point for
[4:16] Speaker 4: a lot of these schools, development for coaches. I'm curious
[4:21] Speaker 4: about this year and how Portal NIL stuff has affected,
[4:27] Speaker 4: you know, how players are evaluated, and look, we've already
[4:29] Speaker 4: been through the evaluation process basically, but how they're looked
[4:33] Speaker 4: at by the NFL and how they sort of fit
[4:36] Speaker 4: into various teams because look, we have guys not in
[4:39] Speaker 4: this year's draft that we perhaps anticipated being in this
[4:41] Speaker 4: year's draft, and you know, especially at quarterback, the conversation
[4:45] Speaker 4: around the number of college starts and coming back, Like,
[4:48] Speaker 4: it's a really interesting time to see how players are
[4:52] Speaker 4: valued and to see the opinions of NFL teams that
[4:56] Speaker 4: are not just you know, speculation during the draft process,
[4:59] Speaker 4: but they're in the actual draft itself. So it's all
[5:02] Speaker 4: really interesting to me.
[5:03] Speaker 3: Yeah, and on top of that, the NAL money, how
[5:06] Speaker 3: it can influence us. Yeah, you know, not just a
[5:09] Speaker 3: player getting playing time and the systems that they found
[5:12] Speaker 3: themselves in on the college level, but the calculation that
[5:16] Speaker 3: needs to be made if you're a guy like a
[5:17] Speaker 3: Tye Simpson who could have come back and got a
[5:20] Speaker 3: lot of money, but instead alects to go to the
[5:22] Speaker 3: NFL Draft. I know Nate's got him somewhere between forty
[5:24] Speaker 3: and fifty. We'll talk through where he stands on his
[5:27] Speaker 3: big board and what he projects to be at the
[5:30] Speaker 3: next level. But it's always one of those topics that again,
[5:35] Speaker 3: love it or hate it. Certainly as college football people,
[5:38] Speaker 3: it's it's worth paying attention to, and it definitely has
[5:41] Speaker 3: an impact for programs because it is something they can
[5:45] Speaker 3: sell and try to build up their own base. So
[5:48] Speaker 3: we'll talk through all of that and much much more
[5:50] Speaker 3: with Nate. As I said, this is not the last
[5:52] Speaker 3: you will hear of the draft. We're going to talk
[5:54] Speaker 3: a little bit more about it a week from today.
[5:56] Speaker 3: But for the time being, anyway, our good friend Nate
[5:58] Speaker 3: Tice from you whose sport's gonna give us the lowdown
[6:01] Speaker 3: what to expect in the twenty twenty six class. All right, Dan,
[6:08] Speaker 3: It is something of an annual tradition over here at
[6:12] Speaker 3: the solid verbal of the NFL Draft is later this week.
[6:16] Speaker 3: We could think of no one better to talk it
[6:19] Speaker 3: through with us, and a good friend from Yahoo's Sports
[6:21] Speaker 3: from the three oh one Podcast, mister Nate Tice, Welcome
[6:24] Speaker 3: back to the show. How are you.
[6:26] Speaker 5: I'm doing great? Great to see you guys. I was.
[6:28] Speaker 5: I was actually when I realized I booked my flight
[6:31] Speaker 5: to cover the draft, we're doing it in New York
[6:33] Speaker 5: for Yahoo, and I hadn't heard from you guys. Oh,
[6:37] Speaker 5: and then and then heard from you guys and this
[6:39] Speaker 5: weekend one I answered one, I didn't. And then I
[6:41] Speaker 5: was like, let's do it all right, So I was perfect, No,
[6:44] Speaker 5: it may It made me feel good though. I was like, oh,
[6:46] Speaker 5: it feels like we should have been done already, but
[6:48] Speaker 5: here we go. We can.
[6:49] Speaker 4: And then you ignored my email accidentally last week.
[6:52] Speaker 5: I thought my reply was perfect because I was like, hey,
[6:55] Speaker 5: I checked this like once every couple of weeks. So true.
[6:57] Speaker 5: I treat that email almost like snail mail, like old mail.
[7:00] Speaker 5: Now it's like, yeah, i'll get back. It takes three
[7:02] Speaker 5: to five days before you're going to get my response.
[7:04] Speaker 4: Yeah, this is what happens in the modern era when
[7:06] Speaker 4: you're just dming people. So now we have a good
[7:09] Speaker 4: email address and we have good contact infos, so we're
[7:11] Speaker 4: all good.
[7:11] Speaker 3: Exactly, We're all good Nate tice Well drafts in Pittsburgh
[7:15] Speaker 3: this year, and I guess in a very solid verbal
[7:20] Speaker 3: ice breaking way here, I did see that you were
[7:23] Speaker 3: talking up some Pittsburgh sandwich locations.
[7:27] Speaker 5: Yes, yes, And I spent two years at pitt as
[7:30] Speaker 5: a GA under Paul Christ right After's college. And I
[7:34] Speaker 5: lived right on Carson Street, the south side of Pittsburgh,
[7:39] Speaker 5: which is a heavy bar area, probably not the best
[7:42] Speaker 5: for me at twenty two and twenty three, single in
[7:46] Speaker 5: an apartment, walking distance to work and to all those bars. Yeah,
[7:51] Speaker 5: it's a lot of long days and long nights there.
[7:54] Speaker 5: But there is a deli that opened up, I think
[7:57] Speaker 5: during my time there, but I started frequenting it, I
[8:00] Speaker 5: would say at least three times a week because I
[8:03] Speaker 5: could walk. There was Carson Street Delhi right on Carson Street.
[8:06] Speaker 5: But it's it's fantastic and it was one of those
[8:08] Speaker 5: It was right when this was happening in the early
[8:10] Speaker 5: twenty tens, where you know, that's when craft beers were
[8:13] Speaker 5: becoming a thing and IPA's and everything, and that really
[8:16] Speaker 5: launched me into that to that realm because the guy
[8:20] Speaker 5: that owns the place would have like Wednesday beer tasting night,
[8:23] Speaker 5: which got dangerous. Yeah, you know, you're not paying for
[8:27] Speaker 5: a thing, and all of a sudden, he's try this one,
[8:29] Speaker 5: try this one, and they're fourteen percent IPAs and stuff
[8:33] Speaker 5: like that stouts and you're like, oh my god. But no,
[8:36] Speaker 5: the sandwich is they're phenomenal. Now they do delivery, which
[8:39] Speaker 5: I envy. But no, that's the place I would always
[8:42] Speaker 5: recommend for especially launch if you're going to the draft.
[8:44] Speaker 5: That's a great spot to kind of like maybe pregame,
[8:46] Speaker 5: you get a nice base before you head on over
[8:48] Speaker 5: to the stadium's stadium areas. But also Carson Street's got
[8:52] Speaker 5: another place called bicycle Bar. That's why I always called it.
[8:55] Speaker 5: I think it's called over the Bar or over the Handle.
[8:58] Speaker 5: But that place is where I learned about peanut or
[9:00] Speaker 5: putting peanut butter on you oh, under burger, and I
[9:04] Speaker 5: was again had I was not sober, and I was like,
[9:07] Speaker 5: I'll try it. It's one of my favorite things now.
[9:10] Speaker 5: But that was Pittsburgh. They put French fries on salads
[9:12] Speaker 5: and peanut buttery around burgers, But apparently that's more popular
[9:15] Speaker 5: nationwide than just Pittsburgh. But a couple spots there in
[9:18] Speaker 5: that area that I really really like beautiful.
[9:21] Speaker 3: All right, well, let's talk draft. So let me know
[9:25] Speaker 3: if I have characterized your stance on the twenty twenty
[9:29] Speaker 3: six draft correctly when I say that your position is
[9:34] Speaker 3: this is not a generational draft class, but it is
[9:38] Speaker 3: a very functional one with very real talent that is
[9:42] Speaker 3: sort of distributed across multiple positions. The old sort of
[9:46] Speaker 3: adage about positional value kind of goes out the window
[9:50] Speaker 3: just because of the way that things stack up. You know,
[9:52] Speaker 3: we'll talk through over the next however, many minutes about
[9:56] Speaker 3: college players how their games translate to the NFL. But
[10:00] Speaker 3: broadly speaking, is that how you would sort of define
[10:03] Speaker 3: this class.
[10:04] Speaker 5: Yeah, and whenever it's defense and offensive line are kind
[10:07] Speaker 5: of the main positions. That's kind of what you Now.
[10:10] Speaker 5: People are going all their ears turn off. How many
[10:13] Speaker 5: how many shows I've done about quarterbacks, And I'm like, guys,
[10:16] Speaker 5: it's gonna be quick, it's gonna be It's like, it's
[10:18] Speaker 5: not a long hour and a half pod to cover
[10:20] Speaker 5: some interesting day two guys. But that's not to mean
[10:23] Speaker 5: outright bad. And I think that's what's been misconstrued is that, yeah,
[10:27] Speaker 5: there's not a lot of elite talent. What people say
[10:29] Speaker 5: first round grades what I call blue chips or blue
[10:33] Speaker 5: blue grades, because I'm a colors guy and that's just
[10:36] Speaker 5: how I do it. The colors of the rainbow is.
[10:39] Speaker 5: That doesn't mean that there's not talent to be found.
[10:43] Speaker 5: It's actually made it really interesting because because there's not
[10:45] Speaker 5: so much obvious talent that there's little consensus in this draft,
[10:50] Speaker 5: which is going to lead to a lot of surprises
[10:52] Speaker 5: or perceived surprises, because not only just national analysts like myself,
[10:56] Speaker 5: but I would say in the league and with teams,
[10:59] Speaker 5: there are just so many guys that are role specific
[11:03] Speaker 5: and scheme specific, and the best players are scheme proof.
[11:07] Speaker 5: That's what usually the blue chips are, at least how
[11:09] Speaker 5: I grde them. When you get into what I call
[11:11] Speaker 5: green chips and yellow chips. So green for me is
[11:14] Speaker 5: like what people some people call it late first, early second.
[11:17] Speaker 5: So a guy I'm comfortable taking between picks twenty and
[11:19] Speaker 5: forty ish, and then after that's you know, picks between
[11:22] Speaker 5: forty and sixty five, et cetera, et cetera. There's a
[11:24] Speaker 5: lot of that, and again those guys can OutKick their
[11:28] Speaker 5: their draft position all the time. Those guys will do
[11:30] Speaker 5: it all the time. But usually that means they have
[11:33] Speaker 5: a blemish, maybe two blemishes. Maybe they have to be
[11:35] Speaker 5: in a specific scheme. So if a guy that makes
[11:39] Speaker 5: landing spot, which matters for all these guys, but even
[11:41] Speaker 5: more paramount for these guys as opposed to like anyone
[11:44] Speaker 5: could have gone like, oh, Caleb Williams is talented, Marvin
[11:48] Speaker 5: Harrison Junior is talented, Like that's very easy to do.
[11:51] Speaker 5: They can kind of fit anywhere. Well, we'll see actually
[11:53] Speaker 5: with Marvin Aerrison Junior. But I will say that this class,
[11:56] Speaker 5: it's like I have. I'll just give an example, like
[11:59] Speaker 5: what I called Day two edge rushers. There's about six
[12:03] Speaker 5: guys I have about the same grade, but it's really
[12:05] Speaker 5: hard for me to parse them because it's like, well,
[12:07] Speaker 5: if you need a pass rusher, I like this guy.
[12:10] Speaker 5: If you need a guy that's heavy handed to stop
[12:11] Speaker 5: the run, I like this guy more. But none of
[12:14] Speaker 5: them have a standout well rounded game, or they don't
[12:17] Speaker 5: have some attributes that maybe put them ahead of those
[12:19] Speaker 5: other guys. But well, long story short, that's gonna lead
[12:22] Speaker 5: to a lot of surprises because it's just or I
[12:25] Speaker 5: I'd even say some trades, because some teams are gonna
[12:28] Speaker 5: go well, I get my guy. You might not like him,
[12:30] Speaker 5: but we like him, so it's gonna lead some interest.
[12:32] Speaker 5: But I don't. I don't think useful is maybe the
[12:34] Speaker 5: best word I could describe the players in this draft
[12:36] Speaker 5: as opposed to maybe star power, A lot of useful
[12:39] Speaker 5: good players.
[12:40] Speaker 3: How many blue chips do you find coming in this
[12:43] Speaker 3: year's class versus what we saw last year or the
[12:46] Speaker 3: year before recent memory.
[12:48] Speaker 5: I have eight, like true ones for maybe seven, I
[12:52] Speaker 5: would like, you've gone ahead, Okay, there it is. I
[12:54] Speaker 5: can get up to you. You know, I could argue
[12:56] Speaker 5: that like a guy like maybe this best example is
[12:58] Speaker 5: Carnell Tape, so not a blue chip to me, but
[13:01] Speaker 5: he's very good, but he's player ten on my big board.
[13:04] Speaker 5: Usually that's not a guy that's very good and not
[13:06] Speaker 5: a blue chip is not gonna be player ten. It's
[13:08] Speaker 5: just that no one else could kind of get above him.
[13:11] Speaker 5: When I was doing the big board, I did one
[13:13] Speaker 5: hundred shows, lean up to doing my final big board
[13:15] Speaker 5: and go, I'm like, yeah, Carnell Tate, I'll have him
[13:17] Speaker 5: at like fifteen, I'll have him at like sixteen, I'll
[13:19] Speaker 5: have him at like eighteen. And then I did my
[13:21] Speaker 5: big board and I'm like, I got nobody else to
[13:22] Speaker 5: put ahead of him, So he's ten now. So that
[13:25] Speaker 5: is that those guys just kind of get moved up.
[13:28] Speaker 5: And why, Like say a guy like Carnell Tate, I
[13:29] Speaker 5: view him as more like a super high end number
[13:31] Speaker 5: two can maybe be a pretty good number one at
[13:33] Speaker 5: the NFL level kind of what he was in college.
[13:36] Speaker 5: Of Reggie Wayne is maybe the upmost high end comparison
[13:40] Speaker 5: for him. Reggie Wayne went pick thirty one, I think,
[13:43] Speaker 5: you know, so that a lot. Ruben Bain another guy
[13:46] Speaker 5: I've been comparing to, Brandon Graham. I Randon Graham went
[13:49] Speaker 5: pick fourteen, I believe, or pick thirteen again, I'd be
[13:52] Speaker 5: more comfortable taking ruben Bain there than maybe where he
[13:56] Speaker 5: will go. We'll see with some offield stuff and some
[13:58] Speaker 5: of the other stuff, but that's just kind of I
[14:00] Speaker 5: would say maybe eight eight is raere. I feel kind
[14:03] Speaker 5: of good about where. Oh yeah, any type of draft class,
[14:05] Speaker 5: this is a top twelve ish pick.
[14:08] Speaker 4: So when you draw that line between your blue chips
[14:11] Speaker 4: and then subsequent tiers, I assume it's because a lot
[14:15] Speaker 4: of those guys exhibit like a specific thing that is
[14:20] Speaker 4: top tier, but they're not in your words, as well
[14:22] Speaker 4: rounded as some of the other guys, and you know,
[14:24] Speaker 4: check as many boxes so of the guys and look,
[14:27] Speaker 4: this could be Day three guys, this could be Day
[14:28] Speaker 4: two guys. This could be lower round one. Who are
[14:31] Speaker 4: guys who are just like, he does this thing better
[14:34] Speaker 4: than ninety nine percent of the players he's you know,
[14:37] Speaker 4: pitted against, But he just doesn't have those other things
[14:41] Speaker 4: like who are the guys that do a specific things?
[14:44] Speaker 4: So like who are the closers right, who are you
[14:46] Speaker 4: know in this year's draft where you're just like, this
[14:49] Speaker 4: left guard is you know, just nails, you know, pulling
[14:52] Speaker 4: or something like that.
[14:53] Speaker 2: Who are those guys?
[14:54] Speaker 5: Kate McDonald, defensive tackle for Ohio State, that that's the
[14:58] Speaker 5: best plugger and that's the the best defensive tackle. That
[15:01] Speaker 5: is just like but actually he's effective, Like you don't
[15:04] Speaker 5: really see nose tackles that they eat space, but then
[15:07] Speaker 5: they don't make plays. He just without even watching Kate
[15:12] Speaker 5: McDonald from Ohouse Dave, if you just look at his stats,
[15:15] Speaker 5: you go, holy crap, you're in a lot of tackles
[15:17] Speaker 5: and you don't really see that with nose tackles. So
[15:19] Speaker 5: maybe that's like his one trade he's the most productive
[15:22] Speaker 5: defensive tackle, which sounds like an arbitrary thing, but you
[15:24] Speaker 5: don't really see that, and that's kind of makes him
[15:26] Speaker 5: interesting to me, Like a guy that can close that
[15:29] Speaker 5: much and is just around the ball a lot, and
[15:31] Speaker 5: he's young, late starter or you know, just one year
[15:34] Speaker 5: starter more or less, but that is just very interesting
[15:37] Speaker 5: about what that guy can end up becoming. A guy
[15:39] Speaker 5: that I would say is more maybe has turned into
[15:41] Speaker 5: my guy is Eli Raridan tight end from Notre Dame.
[15:45] Speaker 5: And it's a cool tight end class because there's not
[15:48] Speaker 5: really again not blue chips and maybe not even green chips,
[15:51] Speaker 5: but a lot of very interesting late day two guys.
[15:54] Speaker 5: So round three into round four, but again we're getting
[15:58] Speaker 5: into like, oh I like this guy a little bit
[16:00] Speaker 5: better than this this guy's more receiving. Yaha. Yeah. Yeah,
[16:02] Speaker 5: but rared In is one of the few guys that
[16:05] Speaker 5: in line it can actually block like actually, and it's
[16:08] Speaker 5: not the theory a lot of guys. When I'm you
[16:10] Speaker 5: have to project tight ends one of the hardest positions
[16:11] Speaker 5: to scout, especially into the NFL. Like usually one of
[16:14] Speaker 5: my old kind of like dogmas of tight end scouting
[16:18] Speaker 5: is just draft. The biggest longest fastest athlete and just
[16:20] Speaker 5: hope they figure it out right and sometimes it doesn't.
[16:23] Speaker 5: Raredin kind of checks that. But also his film and
[16:26] Speaker 5: when you watch him, he's actually like he's a phenomenal
[16:29] Speaker 5: run blocker, which you don't really see from a college
[16:32] Speaker 5: tight end that's not a total stiff, like he's not
[16:34] Speaker 5: just a glorified tackle like he's actually then could run
[16:37] Speaker 5: a route. He had knee injuries early in his career,
[16:41] Speaker 5: hit two ACLS, and I think that's maybe what's kept
[16:43] Speaker 5: him from maybe getting over the top with some teams.
[16:45] Speaker 5: But I've heard other teams do like him. But as
[16:47] Speaker 5: so far as like that for what I was called
[16:49] Speaker 5: a day two tight end, he has that skill set
[16:52] Speaker 5: that not a lot of guys do, and if they
[16:54] Speaker 5: do have it, it's projection. Like Colson love Win last
[16:58] Speaker 5: year when he had to block in line. It was
[17:00] Speaker 5: coming out of Michigan. Yeah, he did it a couple
[17:03] Speaker 5: times a game, but it was more like, all right,
[17:04] Speaker 5: you're young, you're long, I can maybe see you end
[17:06] Speaker 5: up doing this well now with rared and it's like boom,
[17:09] Speaker 5: that's film right there, Like on film right there, he
[17:12] Speaker 5: can actually do that. And then maybe one last guy
[17:15] Speaker 5: is Uh, there's a couple of guys that can do
[17:17] Speaker 5: this well, but I would say maybe he's the highest
[17:19] Speaker 5: end of that is t J. Parker from Clemson is
[17:22] Speaker 5: probably the strongest edge, maybe toughest edge. I don't know what,
[17:26] Speaker 5: Maybe the superlative. I want to give him the heaviest hands,
[17:31] Speaker 5: one of those things, however you want to put it
[17:33] Speaker 5: the most competitive. I think he's won a lot of fans.
[17:36] Speaker 5: He was very highly regarded going to the season. Him
[17:39] Speaker 5: and Peter Woods, his teammate, a couple of clumps of guys,
[17:41] Speaker 5: but Woods has kind of gone like this with teams
[17:45] Speaker 5: kind of effort levels wasn't very productive, kind of didn't
[17:47] Speaker 5: take a step forward. Well. Parker, who started high, dropped
[17:51] Speaker 5: lower and now has come back up because teams watched
[17:54] Speaker 5: Clemson just be So maybe it was the best way
[17:57] Speaker 5: to describe Clempson last year disappointing. Yeah, maybe the best
[18:00] Speaker 5: way I could put it. I was very high on
[18:02] Speaker 5: them after doing this process last year because I think
[18:04] Speaker 5: they have so many good players, and their quarterback's pretty good,
[18:07] Speaker 5: and they got a receiver. I was like I was
[18:09] Speaker 5: buying their stock. Every play he's acting like it's the
[18:11] Speaker 5: last play. Of the Super Bowl. He's well set in
[18:14] Speaker 5: the edge, He's doing all the dirty work, and like
[18:16] Speaker 5: that kind of grows on you when you were kind
[18:18] Speaker 5: of like I got picked between this project edge or
[18:21] Speaker 5: a guy that's gonna kick some ass every snap and
[18:23] Speaker 5: he's gonna try hard every snap. The NFL is a grind,
[18:25] Speaker 5: So like Parker, I guess maybe that was, like, that's
[18:28] Speaker 5: the superlative I can give him, like the toughest or
[18:30] Speaker 5: the most hard working or the competitive That can usually
[18:32] Speaker 5: sound like a backhanded compliment, but he actually he has
[18:35] Speaker 5: some athletic ability to take advantage of all that. But yeah,
[18:37] Speaker 5: maybe that would be maybe the little supertive I can
[18:39] Speaker 5: give him.
[18:41] Speaker 4: So on the other end of the spectrum of guys
[18:43] Speaker 4: that don't just have a single excellent thing that they
[18:46] Speaker 4: can contribute to an NFL roster, I think are the
[18:49] Speaker 4: guys that are so good and even unique to the
[18:53] Speaker 4: point where, oh, we're not only in the business of
[18:56] Speaker 4: this player, but we are changing how we do things
[18:58] Speaker 4: because this player is so versatile or so unique whatever.
[19:02] Speaker 4: And you know, the Derwin James comes to mind last
[19:05] Speaker 4: year was Nick emon Worri with the Seahawks, with you know,
[19:08] Speaker 4: a three level player. Are there guys like that in
[19:12] Speaker 4: this draft that are so different and interesting that we
[19:16] Speaker 4: are like, Okay, we're going to take him, and we
[19:18] Speaker 4: are going to commit to the bit and have to
[19:21] Speaker 4: shift things to make him the best possible version of himself.
[19:24] Speaker 5: Yes, it's just that they're on defense this year, and
[19:27] Speaker 5: I think that's what's the good. Yeah, RFL Reese, Obviously
[19:30] Speaker 5: he's the best player in the shraft if it's just
[19:33] Speaker 5: whether he's edge where he's linebacker. The NFL is a
[19:35] Speaker 5: lot more diverse than I think people are making it
[19:38] Speaker 5: out to be. I think even people that I see
[19:40] Speaker 5: project these guys in scout, these guys are going, well
[19:42] Speaker 5: he has if he's in a four or three, he
[19:44] Speaker 5: doesn't his NFL like these guys are mixing and matching fronts.
[19:47] Speaker 5: They're doing so much more. But that's a positive for
[19:50] Speaker 5: Reese because I think he could be an impact player
[19:52] Speaker 5: in both. But there's a there's a lot of slots
[19:55] Speaker 5: and a lot of you know, safety conversion slots or
[19:58] Speaker 5: guys that played slot and college that in the NFL
[20:01] Speaker 5: that's become such an important position. But it's kind of
[20:04] Speaker 5: nice because it's just take what they did in college
[20:06] Speaker 5: and just translate to the next level. So you got
[20:09] Speaker 5: like I'm gonna say Avion Terrell, I wouldn't like really
[20:11] Speaker 5: maybe build it around him, but like trail On Stukes
[20:13] Speaker 5: from Arizona is super interesting former walk on. I had
[20:17] Speaker 5: him at fifty oh trade in Stukes so sorry, I
[20:20] Speaker 5: had him at fifty three on my big board. He big,
[20:23] Speaker 5: long guy, good athlete and everything, but his dynamic play,
[20:28] Speaker 5: I would describe it from the slot is kind of
[20:30] Speaker 5: one of those where it's like, well, we want to
[20:31] Speaker 5: weaponize this guy. We want to get him blitzing, we
[20:33] Speaker 5: want him to get into coverage, we want to him
[20:35] Speaker 5: on the field all the time, doing something all the time.
[20:38] Speaker 5: So Stukes might be a good one, but there's a
[20:40] Speaker 5: lot of like just I don't know how to describe,
[20:43] Speaker 5: but just interesting slots and like that's become such a
[20:46] Speaker 5: versatile position in an NFL. And also it's kind of
[20:49] Speaker 5: cool you see a lot of different body types. So
[20:51] Speaker 5: you mentioned the James' of the world, the Emaun warriors
[20:53] Speaker 5: of the world. There's more of those now than there
[20:56] Speaker 5: used to be. And some of that you can get
[20:58] Speaker 5: into the argument like whether how high to draft him
[21:00] Speaker 5: because you can find him easier. More body types can
[21:03] Speaker 5: play that position. But I would say Stukes is kind
[21:06] Speaker 5: of the one guy I really took a liking to that,
[21:08] Speaker 5: Like that was probably the one I project the most.
[21:12] Speaker 5: I'm trying to think of another one.
[21:13] Speaker 4: There's what does that mean by the way that you
[21:15] Speaker 4: took a liking to him? Like with Stukes, Like obviously
[21:18] Speaker 4: he's not mentioned in the top fifteen, but you're talking
[21:21] Speaker 4: about his versatility. What did you see on tape with him?
[21:23] Speaker 4: Where you're like, I can project that forward if he
[21:25] Speaker 4: ends up at the right place, he's gonna thrive.
[21:28] Speaker 5: It's his ball recognition or play recognition. He's older too,
[21:32] Speaker 5: so that's also the talk about both sides of my mouth.
[21:35] Speaker 5: It's like, yeah, he plays like he has a lot
[21:37] Speaker 5: of experience because he has a lot of experience, you know,
[21:40] Speaker 5: So it's kind of it's one of those go back
[21:42] Speaker 5: and forth. But and also length and the size and everything,
[21:45] Speaker 5: like that's where Iman Worry is so cool because he
[21:47] Speaker 5: looks like a I mean, he really is just a
[21:49] Speaker 5: will linebacker. It's just now we just call him slots.
[21:52] Speaker 5: But that's same with that where it's just the size
[21:54] Speaker 5: of everything and he like why I say he kind
[21:56] Speaker 5: of grew on me, or one be over or whatever.
[21:58] Speaker 5: It's just that as I watched him, he was just
[22:00] Speaker 5: putting himself in a lot. Even if he didn't make
[22:02] Speaker 5: a play quote unquote, he was around the ball or
[22:05] Speaker 5: making the play he should be making, like doing the
[22:08] Speaker 5: assignment he should be making. Slot is such a because
[22:12] Speaker 5: so many defenses are playing too high now college and NFL.
[22:15] Speaker 5: Is that the strain points, you know, where the points
[22:19] Speaker 5: come that offenses are going to attack changes. If your
[22:22] Speaker 5: single high, it's more outside corners, it's the deep safety
[22:26] Speaker 5: you know, those are the pressure points, you know, the
[22:28] Speaker 5: pivot points, whatever you want to call him. Slot becomes
[22:31] Speaker 5: that when you're playing too high, because that guy has
[22:33] Speaker 5: to do so much he has it's like a helicopter.
[22:36] Speaker 5: He has to go every which way. While the outside
[22:37] Speaker 5: corners are like planes you up and down straight away.
[22:41] Speaker 5: He has to go up, down, left, right, slide inside,
[22:44] Speaker 5: fit the run and everything. So that's become so much
[22:46] Speaker 5: more of an important position. So it's kind of cool
[22:48] Speaker 5: some guys have to project that way. But then some guys,
[22:51] Speaker 5: you see, it's like, oh no, this guy's comfortable playing
[22:53] Speaker 5: in space, comfortable read and reacting because they have to
[22:55] Speaker 5: do a little bit of everything, kind of like a
[22:57] Speaker 5: tight end of the defense. Maybe Keante Scott's another good
[23:01] Speaker 5: one from Miami another day two guy that smarter, older, old,
[23:06] Speaker 5: everybody's old now older getting into that position. But you
[23:10] Speaker 5: can kind of see more of a playmaker, you know
[23:12] Speaker 5: that maybe is a good way to put it like
[23:14] Speaker 5: at that position. So I think with Stukes, it was
[23:17] Speaker 5: just like, Okay, I see the vision of this because
[23:19] Speaker 5: also how Arizona used him is how NFL teams will
[23:22] Speaker 5: use him where they will like earn invert a coverage
[23:24] Speaker 5: and he's running backwards. There's just yeah, just a lot
[23:27] Speaker 5: of kind of I hate using the word nuance, but
[23:31] Speaker 5: it's just more like complexity maybe is a better way
[23:35] Speaker 5: to put it with that position than you would kind
[23:36] Speaker 5: of perceive.
[23:38] Speaker 3: Nate, I know you are really high on like the
[23:41] Speaker 3: Ohio State story going into this draft. Through the course
[23:45] Speaker 3: of our conversation here, just in the first like fifteen minutes,
[23:48] Speaker 3: you've already mentioned three of the Ohio State guys that
[23:51] Speaker 3: are on my radar as a Giants fan. The other
[23:54] Speaker 3: two that you haven't mentioned are Sunny Styles and Caleb Downs,
[23:57] Speaker 3: both of whom I think would be great Big Blue,
[24:00] Speaker 3: but we can get into that a little bit later.
[24:03] Speaker 3: Just broadly speaking, Ohio State is one of these programs
[24:06] Speaker 3: that has at least in recent memory, been incredible when
[24:10] Speaker 3: it comes to the NFL Draft, but this year especially,
[24:13] Speaker 3: I mean kind of on the precipice of making some
[24:15] Speaker 3: history with guys or the number of guys that could
[24:18] Speaker 3: go in the top ten, very much a football factory.
[24:22] Speaker 3: If we stay with the defense, though, in that whole storyline,
[24:26] Speaker 3: I'm curious, just as somebody who has watched the tape,
[24:29] Speaker 3: as somebody who has scouted all of these guys, what
[24:31] Speaker 3: did Matt Patricia bring to the Ohio State class, or
[24:34] Speaker 3: at least the top of that defensive class as they
[24:38] Speaker 3: now go forward into the NFL. Did you see any
[24:40] Speaker 3: sort of noticeable change in their game playing under a
[24:44] Speaker 3: guy who formerly was an NFL defensive coordinator.
[24:49] Speaker 5: Yeah, the house styles and Reese were used is probably
[24:52] Speaker 5: the way that Patricia or at least highlighted them in
[24:55] Speaker 5: the way that I thought was very apt or very like,
[24:58] Speaker 5: Oh yeah, that makes sense. Also, my my mean takeaway
[25:01] Speaker 5: is I knew I should have known that these Aho
[25:04] Speaker 5: State defenders were gonna be so talented because Matt Patricia
[25:07] Speaker 5: was starting to at hype. Again, that's my main take, okay,
[25:12] Speaker 5: but my good positive take is that he did use
[25:14] Speaker 5: them how you they should be used where they Styles
[25:17] Speaker 5: and Reese and a more boring defense would be doing
[25:20] Speaker 5: the same thing off the ball every single snap. Recent
[25:23] Speaker 5: Styles were on the ball, on the edge of line scrimmage.
[25:26] Speaker 5: They were playing in the a gap you know, between
[25:28] Speaker 5: the garden center. They were off the ball, They're running
[25:31] Speaker 5: down twenty yards down the field with receivers. They were
[25:33] Speaker 5: playing into the flat and coverage they were blitzing. So
[25:36] Speaker 5: I will say that's what Patricia did best was highlighting
[25:39] Speaker 5: that these guys can do a lot. And again it's
[25:43] Speaker 5: that's what's nice sometimes too, when you're projecting guys, it's
[25:45] Speaker 5: not theory. That's why even bringing up you know, I
[25:47] Speaker 5: rare it in earlier, it's not theory about me or
[25:49] Speaker 5: projection where I'm like, yeah, I think this guy can block.
[25:51] Speaker 5: It's like, no, I've seen Sunny Styles have to play
[25:53] Speaker 5: the edge. I've seen RVL Reese run with the receiver
[25:56] Speaker 5: twenty yards down the field and you get to see
[25:58] Speaker 5: his athleticism. So I would say that's what Patricia did
[26:01] Speaker 5: the best. I even watching them back on tape, it
[26:05] Speaker 5: was never like or I was like, Matt, what are
[26:07] Speaker 5: you doing? Man? It's like, really is more I can
[26:08] Speaker 5: talk about the offense, get into maybe the quarterback then
[26:13] Speaker 5: maybe kind of have some more questions. But I did
[26:15] Speaker 5: think Patricia did a good job of highlighting these skill sets.
[26:17] Speaker 5: It was kind of a perfect match because he is
[26:19] Speaker 5: a Belichick guy, Patricia, he still runs Belichick fronts. That's
[26:23] Speaker 5: why killed downs actually too, was able to kind of
[26:26] Speaker 5: do some of the stuff over the what I would
[26:27] Speaker 5: say centrally located its positions, rover however you want to
[26:31] Speaker 5: put it, those those kind of middle spots. He was
[26:34] Speaker 5: able to be unlocked because Patricia had some comfort doing
[26:37] Speaker 5: that running kind of invert stuff where he's moving the
[26:39] Speaker 5: safeties and corner corners back. So I do think that
[26:43] Speaker 5: he used these guys because he was like, oh, I
[26:45] Speaker 5: know how to use this. This is great. They'll get
[26:48] Speaker 5: him on the edge, get him off the ball. So
[26:49] Speaker 5: I would say that maybe that's the best way to
[26:51] Speaker 5: put is that, like Patricia's scheme was actually a great
[26:54] Speaker 5: fit for two freak linebackers and you know, a really
[26:57] Speaker 5: good safety as well.
[26:59] Speaker 3: All right, quarterback quarterback.
[27:03] Speaker 5: Singing quarterback.
[27:05] Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, I already mentioned I'm a Giants fan.
[27:09] Speaker 3: There was some like talk radio commentary three quarters of
[27:15] Speaker 3: the way through the season that the Giants should trade
[27:17] Speaker 3: Jackson Dart and draft Banana Mendoza, which I almost had
[27:20] Speaker 3: like a heart attack when I heard that, But it
[27:22] Speaker 3: did bring into question I think something a lot of people,
[27:27] Speaker 3: certainly Raiders fans, are probably going to be asking, how
[27:29] Speaker 3: good is this guy actually? Because we saw what he
[27:31] Speaker 3: could do on the field for Indiana obviously won a
[27:34] Speaker 3: Heisman Trophy in a national championship. Clearly, he's got a
[27:37] Speaker 3: personality when he is not playing, which is unique unto itself.
[27:41] Speaker 3: But a very thoughtful guy, a very good interview kind
[27:44] Speaker 3: of gives Ted talks. That's a separate conversation relative to
[27:49] Speaker 3: other quarterbacks that we have seen recently and maybe some
[27:52] Speaker 3: that we will see come forward over the next couple
[27:54] Speaker 3: of years. Just in draft terms, where does Mendoza rank?
[27:58] Speaker 3: What is he good at?
[27:59] Speaker 1: What does he need to do prove at?
[28:01] Speaker 5: Yeah? He If I want to give a name that like,
[28:04] Speaker 5: he is very who I have graded similar was C. J. Stroud,
[28:08] Speaker 5: Like I had those guys kind of grated very similar,
[28:11] Speaker 5: that's pretty good. Matt. Yeah, yeah, no, he's I really
[28:13] Speaker 5: like Mendoza. I wrote him up. If anyone wants to
[28:16] Speaker 5: kind of see like long long thoughts on it got
[28:19] Speaker 5: a yeah. It was one of those where I was like, yeah,
[28:21] Speaker 5: I can, I can get a Medoza article. And then
[28:23] Speaker 5: four thousand words later, twenty callipse later and I was like,
[28:26] Speaker 5: oh god, sorry a Santami editor late two days late.
[28:29] Speaker 5: I'm like, I'm sorry. He and I think this is
[28:33] Speaker 5: part of it. Well one as I noticed this too
[28:35] Speaker 5: as someone that's an outside I would say an outsider
[28:37] Speaker 5: to college football, but maybe you know NFL is my
[28:39] Speaker 5: main squeeze and then college I very much use it
[28:42] Speaker 5: or view it from a draft lens, and viewing all that,
[28:46] Speaker 5: I could see people just never like fighting on buying
[28:50] Speaker 5: in on Indiana this entire year. Even before they played
[28:53] Speaker 5: Alabama in the playoff, I saw there were seven and
[28:55] Speaker 5: a half point favorites. All the underlying stats showed Indiana
[28:58] Speaker 5: was like making out to be like an all time offense,
[29:00] Speaker 5: all the time team. Everyone's like, yeah, I haven't played
[29:03] Speaker 5: that SEC. He's like, guys, I don't that you guys
[29:06] Speaker 5: are realizing what this Indian team is and what Mendoza is.
[29:08] Speaker 5: But why I'm saying all that is that sometimes watching
[29:11] Speaker 5: him with all the RPOs and everything, that you can
[29:13] Speaker 5: just kind of paint a picture. Oh he's boring. He's
[29:15] Speaker 5: not very athletic, he's not very dynamic, But really that's
[29:18] Speaker 5: a positive to his game. He's so on time and
[29:21] Speaker 5: he's so accurate that not a lot goes astray. And
[29:25] Speaker 5: I think that kind of boringness kind of like lulls
[29:28] Speaker 5: people to sleep a little bit. But on top of it,
[29:30] Speaker 5: before I get kind of his play styles traits wise,
[29:32] Speaker 5: he's six five two thirty five. That's those plus plus
[29:36] Speaker 5: that's exactly what you want. And I actually think I
[29:37] Speaker 5: would even I had been saying like he always an
[29:39] Speaker 5: underrated athlete, typical gun of verbiage, sneaky athlete. I do
[29:43] Speaker 5: think he's actually a good athlete, like he actually watching
[29:46] Speaker 5: him on film, because again film doesn't lie. It's nice
[29:48] Speaker 5: about film too, is you kind of the angles always consistent,
[29:52] Speaker 5: so you kind of start knowing speeds and seeing angles
[29:54] Speaker 5: that defenses or defenders are taking. He's got a lot
[29:57] Speaker 5: more juice than I think people are realizing. As a runner.
[29:59] Speaker 5: He's not a secon See runner. He's not gonna juke
[30:01] Speaker 5: a guy, but he can get first downs. He's not
[30:02] Speaker 5: a slouch. Like you know, Stroud was a good athlete too,
[30:06] Speaker 5: he just didn't want to scramble. Same with Kaile Mendoza.
[30:08] Speaker 5: He prefers to win from the pocket. But I think
[30:11] Speaker 5: his accuracy, his ball placement, is timing are very good already.
[30:15] Speaker 5: And he doesn't make the same mistake twice, which is
[30:18] Speaker 5: a big thing for me. If he makes a mist
[30:21] Speaker 5: and really didn't make a ton of mistakes on film, Like,
[30:23] Speaker 5: there's only a couple this year where I was like,
[30:24] Speaker 5: what are you doing there? You know I thought, of course,
[30:27] Speaker 5: even at Cal, That's why I became a fan of him.
[30:29] Speaker 5: At Cal was just like watching him on film, I'm like, Okay,
[30:32] Speaker 5: that play didn't go right, but you didn't like, you
[30:33] Speaker 5: didn't make a bad play worse. And that's a big
[30:36] Speaker 5: thing for quarterback play. But even get outside the RPOs stuff,
[30:39] Speaker 5: all that stuff. You watch him on third down, you
[30:41] Speaker 5: watch him in the red zone, you watch him in
[30:43] Speaker 5: two minutes. He's very advanced and he is running real
[30:47] Speaker 5: concepts and when I say real concerts a little bit
[30:49] Speaker 5: more complicated. Straight dropback, multiple reads have to read actually
[30:53] Speaker 5: read the coverage, and he's just consistently finding guys and
[30:56] Speaker 5: the ball's coming out on time. He's not making a
[30:58] Speaker 5: bad play, and it's like, that's that's NFL quarterback play.
[31:02] Speaker 5: And I think his arm is good. It's not going
[31:05] Speaker 5: to be an elite arm, but it's good. It's not
[31:07] Speaker 5: it's definitely not oh kind of good. It's it's firmly
[31:10] Speaker 5: in the good scale. If you're a baseball fan, it's
[31:13] Speaker 5: like a fifty arm, you know, out on the forty
[31:16] Speaker 5: day or twenty to eighty scale. You know, that's kind
[31:18] Speaker 5: of what he's at. And I do think though, it's
[31:21] Speaker 5: just it's it's that advanced mental side, the toughness to
[31:25] Speaker 5: which I think is why his teammates love him, because
[31:27] Speaker 5: he's a freaking warrior out there, and I think the
[31:29] Speaker 5: LinkedIn personality and the kicker face mask kind of people
[31:34] Speaker 5: don't buy into that, but man, this guy takes hits
[31:36] Speaker 5: and he's bouncing back right back up, and that's it's
[31:39] Speaker 5: infectious when you watch him. So the guy I've compared
[31:42] Speaker 5: him to the highest end comparison is Matt Ryan, who
[31:45] Speaker 5: I think is a pretty They're built the same kind
[31:48] Speaker 5: of the same arm threshold. Matt was a much better
[31:50] Speaker 5: athlete than people remembered. They're both good throwers on the move.
[31:54] Speaker 5: And I think some of the weaknesses that Mendoza ahead
[31:56] Speaker 5: of Cow, which I attributed to some of the circumstances
[31:58] Speaker 5: he was playing with the lack of talent around him.
[32:00] Speaker 5: But he took a lot of sacks at Cow. He
[32:02] Speaker 5: already improved on that at Indiana, and it really shows
[32:06] Speaker 5: again he doesn't make the same mistake twice because he's
[32:09] Speaker 5: such a hard worker. And I know that's the LinkedIn stuff.
[32:11] Speaker 5: Ha ha ha. That's what you want your NFL starting
[32:14] Speaker 5: franchise quarterback to be.
[32:16] Speaker 3: Well, if you're building around a guy, right, you don't
[32:17] Speaker 3: want someone who's gonna slouch.
[32:19] Speaker 5: No, And that's what that's I know people were at
[32:21] Speaker 5: the end of the season, We're like, Oh, you didn't
[32:22] Speaker 5: tell me about his personality. I'm like, what's the issue?
[32:25] Speaker 5: Like this is this is what you want. I don't
[32:27] Speaker 5: want my guy out like and I and I've heard
[32:29] Speaker 5: through the grapevine that it's like no, it's very authentic,
[32:31] Speaker 5: like and that's what the locker locker room knows. Phonies
[32:34] Speaker 5: like like that he's not phony. It's just that he's Goofy's.
[32:39] Speaker 5: I'm curious what those rooms are going to be like
[32:41] Speaker 5: with him and Kirk Cousins in the same quarterback. Oh, man,
[32:44] Speaker 5: I know, Oh my goodness, so just give me. I
[32:46] Speaker 5: texted a guy that I know of the rais this
[32:47] Speaker 5: is my last kind of thought on it, and I said, oh,
[32:50] Speaker 5: I interviewed Windows a couple of weeks ago, and I go,
[32:51] Speaker 5: I interviewed your guy, and he goes, all right, I
[32:53] Speaker 5: interviewed your business manager, and he goes Cousins. I go, no, no, no,
[32:58] Speaker 5: I was talking about Fernando. But yeah, okay, all right,
[33:02] Speaker 5: but yeah, okay, I guess that's that's that works too,
[33:04] Speaker 5: all right, But no, I it's he really I liked
[33:09] Speaker 5: him a lot. And then whenever I love doing these
[33:11] Speaker 5: studies in the off season, these deep dives, these three
[33:13] Speaker 5: thousand and four thousand word articles, because it was like, man,
[33:15] Speaker 5: I actually might and I was the high guy at
[33:17] Speaker 5: I actually might have been underrating him a little bit.
[33:19] Speaker 5: Where again, I don't think he's that upper echelon. He's
[33:22] Speaker 5: not a calyb. I had Drake may as one of
[33:24] Speaker 5: these guys. He's not Andrew luck. But that next tier
[33:26] Speaker 5: of guys that could be quarterback six to twelve every
[33:30] Speaker 5: single year like at Dak Prescott every single year. How
[33:32] Speaker 5: Stafford kind of can be. He's kind of the top
[33:34] Speaker 5: of that tier. But though that kind of Jordan Love
[33:37] Speaker 5: isn't that great tier to me, he can firmly be
[33:39] Speaker 5: that for his whole career, which is you can win
[33:41] Speaker 5: a super Bowl with that. Yeah, yeah, I really like Mendoza. Man,
[33:45] Speaker 5: it's it's it's kind of funny. People have just kept
[33:48] Speaker 5: trying to kind of find you know, you get your
[33:51] Speaker 5: nits picked throughout this process, but man, it's this ones
[33:54] Speaker 5: I just don't I don't fall, I don't track as
[33:56] Speaker 5: much as other people are kind of make him out
[33:57] Speaker 5: to be.
[33:58] Speaker 4: He's also and I mean you can speak to this,
[34:01] Speaker 4: I'm sure like the prototypical modern quarterback in that he's
[34:06] Speaker 4: in a disadvantage situation, he's able to transfer to a
[34:10] Speaker 4: more advantage situation, so you can see what he's like
[34:13] Speaker 4: as you mentioned, like taking you know, too many sacks
[34:15] Speaker 4: and these you know, dirty pockets as it were at
[34:17] Speaker 4: cal and then now he's at Indiana and not only
[34:21] Speaker 4: do you have tape with him, like in a more
[34:24] Speaker 4: specific system, but you have tape in a deep playoff,
[34:27] Speaker 4: so you have tape against Oregon twice, Ohio State, Miami, Like,
[34:31] Speaker 4: you have all of these data that you wouldn't necessarily
[34:34] Speaker 4: have on a quarterback ten years ago. So in your mind,
[34:39] Speaker 4: and I suppose this is a leading question, like is
[34:42] Speaker 4: he the sort of antidote to like what we think
[34:45] Speaker 4: Anthony Richardson might be interesting because he's super athletic, but
[34:48] Speaker 4: we don't have tape, or we think JJ McCarthy will
[34:51] Speaker 4: be good because you know, he played under an NFL
[34:54] Speaker 4: quarterback and he played you know, but we didn't really
[34:56] Speaker 4: see like a complicated passing situation with him, but we
[34:59] Speaker 4: hope work out. You almost have a lot more to
[35:03] Speaker 4: go on with Mendoza.
[35:05] Speaker 5: Yeah, it helped too that he started early at Cal,
[35:07] Speaker 5: which is a feather in his cap. You know. It's
[35:10] Speaker 5: that's sometimes when a guy, you know, see two guys
[35:12] Speaker 5: in this class, like Ty Simpson, it's like, oh, well
[35:15] Speaker 5: he was a good teammate and he sat behind Jalen Miller,
[35:17] Speaker 5: Well why couldn't he beat him out? That's kind of
[35:20] Speaker 5: like where that's you know, if you want to get
[35:22] Speaker 5: negative on it, it's like, well, why didn't he beat him
[35:24] Speaker 5: out and Mendoza was starting right away. They're finding ways
[35:25] Speaker 5: to put him on the field at CAL. So I'm yeah,
[35:28] Speaker 5: I agree with that that. I had somebody ask me
[35:30] Speaker 5: that the other day. They're like, do you hate these
[35:32] Speaker 5: guys transferring? I'm like, there's sometimes I do where I
[35:34] Speaker 5: wish they declared or something. But like a guy like Mendoza,
[35:38] Speaker 5: if he stayed at Cal, they get they improved circumstances.
[35:40] Speaker 5: This year, it wasn't great, but ever, he's the third
[35:43] Speaker 5: round pick. Probably you know, like it's like he bought it,
[35:46] Speaker 5: but that it kind of speaks like you're saying, and so, yeah,
[35:48] Speaker 5: I just gotta lead the question. I guess, Yeah, I
[35:51] Speaker 5: agree is that. Yeah, it's great that I got to
[35:53] Speaker 5: see my call and now he's just that right. I'm
[35:54] Speaker 5: sorry to Indiana, but not only just Indiana, just tough circumstances.
[35:58] Speaker 5: Second Africans of House State at the Penn State game,
[36:00] Speaker 5: Iowa game, and can go on and on and on.
[36:02] Speaker 5: He played the on FBI. I think Indian had the
[36:05] Speaker 5: fourth toughest schedule in college this year, so of course
[36:08] Speaker 5: they played in the playoffs. That's gonna juice it up.
[36:10] Speaker 3: Help.
[36:10] Speaker 5: Yeah, but yeah, but I got to see road games
[36:12] Speaker 5: at Eugene. You know, at cal it's like you know,
[36:15] Speaker 5: out there to the ACC. You know, that's a little
[36:18] Speaker 5: different than playing at Wake. You know, like it just is.
[36:21] Speaker 5: And it not that I am not as big into
[36:25] Speaker 5: I do weigh it, but maybe not as much of
[36:27] Speaker 5: going like, well, this guy's been in big games. He
[36:29] Speaker 5: can understand that, because sometimes people say that the guy
[36:32] Speaker 5: sucked and it's like just because he played, and it
[36:33] Speaker 5: doesn't Mendoza like was the moment, like he rose to
[36:37] Speaker 5: every moment might have been always. I thought that House
[36:39] Speaker 5: State game which they only scored X amount of points
[36:41] Speaker 5: not thirteen points, right, but on film so much better
[36:45] Speaker 5: than when you watch on TV. Because he gets his
[36:47] Speaker 5: ass kicked in the first quarter, I mean absolutely destroyed
[36:52] Speaker 5: by Cayden Curry, who I do like, I mean kating.
[36:56] Speaker 5: Curry was out to kill him, like it was like
[36:59] Speaker 5: freaking spear tombstoning on whatever you want to say. And
[37:02] Speaker 5: he keeps coming up and in the second half they
[37:04] Speaker 5: have a third and two and he throws a deep
[37:06] Speaker 5: ball to Charlie Becker, number eight, who's a good player.
[37:09] Speaker 2: Yeah, and that.
[37:11] Speaker 5: Play has won me over more than any other throat
[37:13] Speaker 5: and I tweeted about it. Whatever. If anyone listened to
[37:15] Speaker 5: this wants to find it, you just look up like
[37:16] Speaker 5: third and two from Nate Underscore dice or something. I
[37:20] Speaker 5: used an anper sand but it's on that third and
[37:23] Speaker 5: two there's a crosser in front of him. They're losing.
[37:26] Speaker 5: It's in the third quarter. He could easily just hit
[37:28] Speaker 5: the tight end on the first down, and like every
[37:30] Speaker 5: other pass play that game, it would have been a catch, smoked,
[37:33] Speaker 5: barely get the first maybe been a drop if he
[37:35] Speaker 5: gets hit too hard. He takes the hard answer, but
[37:38] Speaker 5: it's the proper answer. It's the proper difficult answer. It
[37:41] Speaker 5: was not him just going rogue. I gotta try something
[37:44] Speaker 5: ump in the grenade. It was exactly what the read
[37:46] Speaker 5: was supposed to be. He's under pressure. It's third and two.
[37:49] Speaker 5: They're down in the Big Ten Championship in the second half,
[37:52] Speaker 5: and he's taking the hard answer and finding it and
[37:54] Speaker 5: putting the ball on the money as he's getting hit.
[37:56] Speaker 5: And it's like those things are like that's real NFL play,
[38:01] Speaker 5: Like that is that those that is finding those aggressive
[38:04] Speaker 5: answers so kind of getting to your answer? Is that,
[38:05] Speaker 5: like I wouldn't have seen that if you played at
[38:07] Speaker 5: Cow and they went who and I like jks their freshmen,
[38:10] Speaker 5: but you know where they go this year six and seven?
[38:12] Speaker 2: If their borderline ball team, Yeah yeah, but.
[38:15] Speaker 5: If there, that's the thing is like he's not playing
[38:17] Speaker 5: those types of situations, So yeah, yeah, long win.
[38:20] Speaker 4: A way to say I agree piggybacking though, is that
[38:24] Speaker 4: because this I think has been the loudest year in
[38:26] Speaker 4: terms of like how many times has this guy started games?
[38:29] Speaker 2: Right?
[38:29] Speaker 4: And like that's the ty Simpson coffence, it's even the
[38:31] Speaker 4: Dante More conversation, right that he is a this is
[38:34] Speaker 4: his first year as a full time starter all season long,
[38:37] Speaker 4: and I assume you are in support of Dante Moore
[38:40] Speaker 4: coming back and getting more under his belt moving forward.
[38:44] Speaker 4: Is that what happens between twenty and thirty five starts
[38:48] Speaker 4: right that you are able to unlock those hard answers
[38:52] Speaker 4: that you are more mature, and you are better in
[38:55] Speaker 4: the film room, and you just you have those sort
[38:57] Speaker 4: of mental reps to say, like, Okay, I have this game,
[39:01] Speaker 4: I'm a successful college quarterback, but have I reached my
[39:05] Speaker 4: ceiling in terms of what I could be? Is that
[39:09] Speaker 4: the big difference that you see between those you know,
[39:12] Speaker 4: year and a half starters and three year starters.
[39:14] Speaker 5: I mentioned one of Mendoza's best qualities is how he
[39:18] Speaker 5: never makes the same mistake twice. And so to answer
[39:20] Speaker 5: your question, that it does benefit having more starts, because
[39:24] Speaker 5: they Mendoza got to make a mistake as a freshman
[39:27] Speaker 5: or as a sophomore when no one was watching and
[39:30] Speaker 5: no one was yelling them about gambling and Heisman odds
[39:34] Speaker 5: and all, and costing his team the national championship aspirations
[39:38] Speaker 5: and the great you know team that they've ever had
[39:40] Speaker 5: in their organization history, organization program history. Yeah, but it's
[39:48] Speaker 5: no So like that is where more starts helps, is
[39:51] Speaker 5: how you come back from a stake. How also springball
[39:54] Speaker 5: into second camp goes as well as the guy that
[39:58] Speaker 5: matters as well because of just how you you act
[40:00] Speaker 5: to interact with teammates, how you learn from mistakes. I
[40:02] Speaker 5: already mentioned what layers you add to your offense, especially
[40:05] Speaker 5: if you're working with the same play caller, because that
[40:08] Speaker 5: because more is oc left right. So that's that's gonna
[40:10] Speaker 5: be an interesting kind of thing too. It's not like
[40:12] Speaker 5: he's going right back into the same offense. More was
[40:15] Speaker 5: interesting because.
[40:16] Speaker 2: It's a it's an internal promotion, so it's I think.
[40:19] Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, so okay that that's a pretty good answer,
[40:22] Speaker 5: A pretty good version of that too. Yeah that is
[40:24] Speaker 5: something too, is that Springball As the guy after you've
[40:28] Speaker 5: started already, you can use your own. It's also easier
[40:31] Speaker 5: to to learn something when you're making the mistake, you know,
[40:34] Speaker 5: as opposed to watching film with somebody else and then
[40:36] Speaker 5: going like, okay, now you do it like it just
[40:38] Speaker 5: it's a human element thing. So okay, I watched the
[40:41] Speaker 5: spring Ball. Hey you remember against Iowa, you did this. Okay,
[40:44] Speaker 5: hey we we now did this new playoff of that,
[40:46] Speaker 5: so we can do this when we're in the red
[40:48] Speaker 5: zone next time. Okay, cool. Now it's again, it's not
[40:51] Speaker 5: on a whiteboard. I have a rep at that, and
[40:53] Speaker 5: we're humans and we need those reps. We need them,
[40:56] Speaker 5: and some guys only need one. I was not that
[40:59] Speaker 5: I need one, you know. But that's what it does
[41:03] Speaker 5: help to have those starts under there. It's just coming
[41:05] Speaker 5: back from mistakes. It's just learning what a defense can
[41:08] Speaker 5: do in the advanced play, especially once you get to
[41:10] Speaker 5: the NFL. But that's just really what it is. It's
[41:13] Speaker 5: just those reps and time on tasks. So yeah, it
[41:16] Speaker 5: does mynt more was interesting to me because I had
[41:19] Speaker 5: him kind of okay, I Mendoza kind of top, and
[41:22] Speaker 5: I had more. If more like declarity, probably would have
[41:24] Speaker 5: ended up like in my teens on my big board.
[41:27] Speaker 5: And that's me being pretty high where he was a
[41:30] Speaker 5: great example of that where I thought some of his
[41:32] Speaker 5: blems should started to show up as the season went along,
[41:35] Speaker 5: and you could tell which plays he hadn't had time
[41:37] Speaker 5: on task with. So again having a full off season ago, like, okay,
[41:41] Speaker 5: now I can add Now I knew the first baseline
[41:43] Speaker 5: of plays. Now I can learn the next grouping of
[41:45] Speaker 5: plays and be comfortable with them. There's a difference between
[41:48] Speaker 5: just doing it once and being comfortable so more throughout
[41:51] Speaker 5: the year, I could start telling like he started checking
[41:53] Speaker 5: down a little too quickly. He started like pressure, He
[41:56] Speaker 5: just go oh, where's the safe answer? Plays that he
[41:58] Speaker 5: was comfortable with four verts like the Rutgers game is
[42:01] Speaker 5: the one that comes to mind, Oh, I'm launching it,
[42:04] Speaker 5: like those are the ones he was pushing it. But
[42:06] Speaker 5: if you ran a different play, you can kind of
[42:07] Speaker 5: seem just be a little more robotic and hesitant, so
[42:11] Speaker 5: money wise too, pick twenty two makes I think in
[42:15] Speaker 5: the draft would make at least four million dollars a year.
[42:18] Speaker 5: I think three point eight and that's the first year contract.
[42:21] Speaker 5: And that's why Moore was interesting to me because monetarily economically,
[42:26] Speaker 5: actually would make more sense. If you think you're gonna
[42:29] Speaker 5: be a top twenty pick, you would make more money
[42:31] Speaker 5: over four years, potentially five if they pick up the option,
[42:34] Speaker 5: or you're taking your one year guaranteed money. So I
[42:36] Speaker 5: actually and people ask me what I would do, It
[42:38] Speaker 5: was like, well, I've never had to be in this position,
[42:40] Speaker 5: but I think I would take the guaranteed four year deal,
[42:43] Speaker 5: even if in a football sense I want him to
[42:45] Speaker 5: play another year in college to get more reps. I know,
[42:48] Speaker 5: but I thought that was in more of an interesting conversation.
[42:50] Speaker 5: Maybe it was just me trying to drum up interest
[42:51] Speaker 5: for this quarterback class, but that was me just like
[42:54] Speaker 5: I thought that was kind of an interesting kind of thing,
[42:56] Speaker 5: like if your top twenty pick, you're gonna make more
[42:58] Speaker 5: money in four years, you're gonna make the same money
[43:00] Speaker 5: you make this year, but times four. So I don't know,
[43:03] Speaker 5: because you can't guarantee what's going to happen next year.
[43:05] Speaker 5: I think next year's class is a little bit better too,
[43:06] Speaker 5: quarterback wise.
[43:07] Speaker 3: Well, and it's it sort of brings up I'm glad
[43:10] Speaker 3: you mention that because I was going to talk about
[43:11] Speaker 3: ty Simpson next because as you know, there was a
[43:15] Speaker 3: lot of interest in Ty Simpson or other programs, let's
[43:19] Speaker 3: say Alabama, I guess included in those of schools that
[43:23] Speaker 3: wanted ty Simpson, thought he could come back and be
[43:26] Speaker 3: really serviceable and maybe even better. In twenty twenty six,
[43:30] Speaker 3: you have him sort of grouped in that class with
[43:34] Speaker 3: Garrett nus Meyer, like in the forty to fifty ish
[43:38] Speaker 3: range of quarterbacks who both are sort of described as
[43:44] Speaker 3: guys maybe who could pop.
[43:45] Speaker 1: In the right situation, right.
[43:47] Speaker 3: Garrett Nusmeyer very inconsistent last year, obviously very tumultuous go
[43:52] Speaker 3: of things at LSU, whereas at Alabama ty Simpson. They
[43:56] Speaker 3: couldn't run the ball, so it was all on the
[43:58] Speaker 3: arm of ty Simpson until you know, down the stretch
[44:01] Speaker 3: they had some diminishing returns there. How do you kind
[44:04] Speaker 3: of grade out what you saw on tape from nuss
[44:08] Speaker 3: Meyer and Simpson last season in the SEC sort of
[44:12] Speaker 3: like a tale of two cities in a sense, But
[44:15] Speaker 3: how do you kind of take that and translate it
[44:18] Speaker 3: to what it means at the next level.
[44:20] Speaker 5: Yeah, these two have been kind of funny to scout
[44:23] Speaker 5: side by side because even just narratively, they have so
[44:25] Speaker 5: much in common, you know, sap behind other guys, their coaches, kids,
[44:28] Speaker 5: They're not the biggest either. Both faced injuries this year
[44:32] Speaker 5: as they got the crap beat out of them. Nusmar
[44:36] Speaker 5: does have his twenty twenty four season always in my
[44:39] Speaker 5: mind because I just really liked what I saw in
[44:41] Speaker 5: a lot of those games. Old Miss game. I really
[44:44] Speaker 5: want to say the A and M game. That could
[44:46] Speaker 5: be wrong there, but Ole Miss games one at least
[44:48] Speaker 5: stands out to me. But that was so going through
[44:52] Speaker 5: this year. Nuts was my I think quarterback three going
[44:55] Speaker 5: into the season. I'm super high on Sellers still, I'm
[44:59] Speaker 5: still buying of Leonora Sellers. But Nuts for me, because
[45:04] Speaker 5: this whole year from LSU was just hell, you know,
[45:06] Speaker 5: I mean just everything involved with it. He had no
[45:08] Speaker 5: talent around him, were lesser talent than you would expect
[45:11] Speaker 5: at LSU. The tight ends a freak, I but the
[45:15] Speaker 5: kind of lesser talent around him, so a lot of
[45:17] Speaker 5: times it's all on him to and he's just thrown.
[45:19] Speaker 5: He has to throw a quick game. He has to
[45:20] Speaker 5: throw a third down down the field, and guys aren't making,
[45:22] Speaker 5: players are dropping. Everything has to be perfect. Simpson had
[45:25] Speaker 5: that kind of moments too, surprisingly, even though he has
[45:27] Speaker 5: some cool receivers. I thought, too, is that Simpson, both
[45:32] Speaker 5: of these guys really pushed the ball. You can tell
[45:34] Speaker 5: their coaches kids. They both have got good pocket movement.
[45:37] Speaker 5: They both have pretty good timing. And when I say
[45:39] Speaker 5: timing too, is like, this is a huge thing in
[45:41] Speaker 5: the NFL is that one two the dropback of the
[45:45] Speaker 5: quarterback is tied into the routes. So if a guy
[45:48] Speaker 5: is takes an extra hitch, he's late or unless he
[45:52] Speaker 5: has a good arm and can make up for that.
[45:53] Speaker 5: So that's why going one two three hitch ball out
[45:56] Speaker 5: or one two three ball out, et cetera, et cetera
[45:59] Speaker 5: matters so much because the NFL, that's when they're talking
[46:02] Speaker 5: about windows, it's just there. It's more time. It's more
[46:05] Speaker 5: the window of time as opposed to even just the
[46:07] Speaker 5: window you're throwing into. So both of these guys, a
[46:10] Speaker 5: plus to them is that they already have kind of
[46:12] Speaker 5: proper timing in their heads. But also the negative is
[46:16] Speaker 5: they already have that, So what else am I teaching them?
[46:19] Speaker 5: What else can I add to them? Because they don't
[46:20] Speaker 5: have outstanding traits. They both have arms that I really
[46:24] Speaker 5: more comfortably say above average, but can touch good and
[46:28] Speaker 5: kind of good pockets and everything. I think Nustmar throw
[46:30] Speaker 5: is in a beautiful deep ball. It kind of shocks me.
[46:32] Speaker 5: Sometimes he's not the biggest guy. He's ka tiny, he's
[46:35] Speaker 5: kind of pudgy. He's kind of a weird build. But
[46:38] Speaker 5: Simpson too. Simpson will layer and really fire some throws
[46:42] Speaker 5: out there. But again, like size really does matter, and
[46:44] Speaker 5: I think in the NFL level is that we I
[46:47] Speaker 5: think a lot of people think, okay, well, of course
[46:49] Speaker 5: you need a big d end. Of course you need
[46:50] Speaker 5: a fast and big receiver. Oh quarterbacks, all about moxie. Well,
[46:55] Speaker 5: physical traits really do matter. And I wish I wish
[46:58] Speaker 5: I wasn't cut and dry that, but it really does.
[47:01] Speaker 5: And guys under two ten and especially under two o five,
[47:03] Speaker 5: there's not a long history of those guys succeeding unless
[47:07] Speaker 5: they're like Lamar Jackson and have a freak athleticism to them.
[47:10] Speaker 5: I've done studies on guys under twoll five. I know
[47:13] Speaker 5: it's arbitrary two hundred and five pounds, and since the
[47:16] Speaker 5: New millennium, there's only been three successful quarterbacks that weighed
[47:19] Speaker 5: under two o five. And it's Kirk Cousins, who both
[47:21] Speaker 5: of these guys could be at Kirk Cousins, that might
[47:23] Speaker 5: be their upside. It's Kirk Cousins, Jeff Garcia, Lamar Jackson,
[47:28] Speaker 5: and that's basically Aaron Brooks if you want to throw
[47:31] Speaker 5: him in there. It's not a long history. And if
[47:33] Speaker 5: you go back even to the merger, it's like Dan
[47:35] Speaker 5: Foutz and like Joe Montana and it's like, oh those
[47:38] Speaker 5: are big names. Oh on Doug Fluti, it's like, oh,
[47:40] Speaker 5: there are big names. It's like, yeah, they're outliars. That's
[47:42] Speaker 5: why we remember them. It's because they were the outliers.
[47:45] Speaker 5: And so I know it sounds very cut and dry
[47:48] Speaker 5: and very much like, well, the guy could be two
[47:50] Speaker 5: h six. It's more just to paint a picture about
[47:52] Speaker 5: just their size and just the potential durability issues. And
[47:55] Speaker 5: I wouldn't have as much concerns if they already faced
[47:58] Speaker 5: durability issues in college. And it's only bigger, faster, and
[48:01] Speaker 5: harder in the NFL. So they do a lot of
[48:04] Speaker 5: the little things right. They push the ball, which is huge.
[48:06] Speaker 5: They they are good enough athletes. Simpson's a better athlete,
[48:09] Speaker 5: but just the size and you know, some of the
[48:12] Speaker 5: durability stuff. I only can get so high with that
[48:14] Speaker 5: kind of archetype. And then the Simpsons kind of lack
[48:16] Speaker 5: of starts. I've seen, you saw two seasons this game.
[48:19] Speaker 5: Some of his best throws are some of the best
[48:20] Speaker 5: throws you see. But then there's a lot of games
[48:22] Speaker 5: in the second half the year where some sprays were
[48:24] Speaker 5: showing up, so that kind of made them a little
[48:27] Speaker 5: more riskier to me.
[48:28] Speaker 3: Dan mentioned players that will or could force teams to
[48:34] Speaker 3: sort of commit to the bit. One guy we have
[48:37] Speaker 3: not mentioned is Jeremiah love So also as somebody who
[48:41] Speaker 3: roots on Notre Dame.
[48:42] Speaker 4: Yeah, Ty, we already used your Eli rid in space
[48:45] Speaker 4: for Notre Dame talks before. Jeremiah, Yeah, exacting cur.
[48:51] Speaker 5: As soon as you said day two or day three,
[48:53] Speaker 5: I was like, oh, crack the knuckles.
[48:54] Speaker 2: I was like, we go, here, we go.
[48:57] Speaker 5: We's talked about RVL Reese's speed or anything like that. No, no, no,
[49:01] Speaker 5: let's talk about blocking from a wide tight end.
[49:04] Speaker 3: Let's do it. So like Jeremiah Loves interesting obviously, like
[49:10] Speaker 3: a Heisman contender, was crazy good at Notre Dame. Anyone
[49:15] Speaker 3: who watched Notre Dame or watched Jeremiah Love for any
[49:17] Speaker 3: extended period of time knew that he was very good.
[49:20] Speaker 3: What has surprised me?
[49:21] Speaker 5: Though?
[49:21] Speaker 3: Admittedly, you guys on the NFL side talk about him
[49:25] Speaker 3: like he's a freaking avenger.
[49:28] Speaker 5: Truly and are going kind of crazy.
[49:31] Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, And maybe it's maybe I just didn't have
[49:34] Speaker 3: that perspective, because even though there were game breaking highlights,
[49:38] Speaker 3: he was sort of lightly used as compared to maybe
[49:41] Speaker 3: some of his peers in the in the running back
[49:44] Speaker 3: room around college football, guys who are going to the
[49:47] Speaker 3: next level. But like, has that surprised you too? Or
[49:51] Speaker 3: is it just me? Maybe I was too close to it.
[49:53] Speaker 3: I don't know. He's very good. I'm excited to see
[49:56] Speaker 3: what he looks like at the next level. It just
[49:58] Speaker 3: seems like the adjectives have grown by an order of
[50:02] Speaker 3: magnitude each time I read something about Jeremiah Love.
[50:06] Speaker 5: I think one thing is I noticed if a running
[50:08] Speaker 5: back splits out runs like a real route and catches
[50:11] Speaker 5: the ball. Oh my god, everyone discuss this guy's not
[50:13] Speaker 5: a running back, he's a weapon. He's a receiver and
[50:16] Speaker 5: a run and so that's where the new yeah stuff
[50:19] Speaker 5: comes in. No, I'm right there with you. I really
[50:21] Speaker 5: like him, and people have asked me, like, where would
[50:23] Speaker 5: you stack him up? Maybe the top end running backs
[50:26] Speaker 5: that have been drafted. So I would say I've officially
[50:28] Speaker 5: been scouting since you know, twenty fourteen, twenty thirteen, and
[50:32] Speaker 5: Zeke is my number one. Like, he's not a Zeke.
[50:35] Speaker 5: Zeke is like the perfect running back to me, he
[50:37] Speaker 5: really was Ezekiel Elliott. Size, pass protection, running between the tackles,
[50:42] Speaker 5: speed to hit the home runs, receiving ability, timing, everything.
[50:46] Speaker 5: Number two to me is actually Bijon Robinson. And because
[50:50] Speaker 5: I just again same thing. I thought he did everything
[50:53] Speaker 5: so well, the timing and everything. Also didn't have a
[50:55] Speaker 5: lot of hits on him going into the NFL, which
[50:57] Speaker 5: I like because he had a Roshawn Johnson there that that,
[51:00] Speaker 5: but he had to do it all. Receiving pass protection,
[51:03] Speaker 5: that's the stuff I kind of go for, along with
[51:05] Speaker 5: game breaking ability, curley. It was probably those those three
[51:09] Speaker 5: were probably the special ones to me, Sae Kwon would
[51:11] Speaker 5: probably be fourth and then we're getting into the next tier.
[51:15] Speaker 5: So those guys to me are like I mentioned blue chips.
[51:17] Speaker 5: I have a thing called purple chips, which have you've
[51:19] Speaker 5: been because you know that's a five hundred dollars chip.
[51:21] Speaker 5: That's that's the like those are the no brainer like okay, yeah,
[51:26] Speaker 5: like okay, he's the next here. He is more to
[51:29] Speaker 5: me what Jamir Gibbs was. He is more to me
[51:32] Speaker 5: even what Ashton genty was last year. Where there's some
[51:35] Speaker 5: it's not perfect, there's a couple things out nitpick. I
[51:39] Speaker 5: think love runs a little upright, which is a little
[51:41] Speaker 5: scary to me because that leads to hits, especially in
[51:44] Speaker 5: the NFL. But I will say he's got some great
[51:47] Speaker 5: vision and he could take it to the house and
[51:50] Speaker 5: a lot of teams are going to go for that.
[51:51] Speaker 5: And I also he has receiving ability supposed to be
[51:54] Speaker 5: a great kid, which also helps too. I hate saying
[51:57] Speaker 5: great kid, but I can say it now.
[51:59] Speaker 3: We're men of a certain age.
[52:00] Speaker 2: I'm older and older, and I.
[52:02] Speaker 5: Actually can say it now because these guys are fifteen.
[52:05] Speaker 3: It's for all of us.
[52:07] Speaker 5: But I agree with you where I have not. I
[52:11] Speaker 5: don't consider him one of the top top, top top
[52:13] Speaker 5: guys or top running backs that I've watched in decade plus,
[52:17] Speaker 5: but a very good one because he can do the
[52:21] Speaker 5: other things at the running back position, which is, you know,
[52:24] Speaker 5: actually as vision, actually can project as a pass protector,
[52:27] Speaker 5: and also can receive the ball, and doesn't have a
[52:29] Speaker 5: lot of tread on his tires or a lot of
[52:31] Speaker 5: wear on them. So I think that's that's kind of
[52:33] Speaker 5: the appeal with him. I do. I agree with you,
[52:35] Speaker 5: though some people are out over their skis with him.
[52:37] Speaker 5: It's pretty funny. He's a running back. We just did
[52:39] Speaker 5: this with genty last year, where all these running back
[52:42] Speaker 5: discourse and I'm like, we just did this like eleven
[52:44] Speaker 5: months ago.
[52:44] Speaker 2: Guys like, yeah, the word generations all keeps happening.
[52:48] Speaker 5: Yeah, I know, like the swear goldfish memories.
[52:53] Speaker 3: I like Jeremiah Love a lot. I am excited to
[52:56] Speaker 3: see him play, and if he's half as good in
[52:58] Speaker 3: the NFL as he appear to be in college, I mean,
[53:02] Speaker 3: who wouldn't want that? You would take that in a millisecond.
[53:05] Speaker 3: I am just reacting to the language and how it
[53:08] Speaker 3: feels like that has escalated over the last three months.
[53:11] Speaker 5: Yeah, there's an I am Sparta kiss kind of thing
[53:14] Speaker 5: that happens where it's like, oh, I like him, I
[53:17] Speaker 5: like like him, I love him. I think he's the
[53:19] Speaker 5: greatest thing I've ever watched my entire life. Like that
[53:21] Speaker 5: kind of happens throughout the process where kinds of one
[53:23] Speaker 5: of the takes get one uped on each other, and
[53:25] Speaker 5: I think that's kind of happened to a little bit.
[53:27] Speaker 5: I love watching him with Riley Leonard. Though Ryley Leonard
[53:30] Speaker 5: was my guy, I'm like the only Ryley Leonard still
[53:32] Speaker 5: a believer. Yeah, I'm still a believer. Hey, he looked
[53:34] Speaker 5: good with the Colts in the Game and a half.
[53:36] Speaker 5: He did.
[53:38] Speaker 3: Let me pull on that threadnatee, because we ask you
[53:41] Speaker 3: about this every year. You know, the draft industrial complex
[53:47] Speaker 3: is set up in a way, love it or hate
[53:48] Speaker 3: it where you do kind of either whether it's voluntary
[53:53] Speaker 3: thing or not. You kind of have to differentiate yourself.
[53:56] Speaker 3: What is the Nate Tice take or group of takes
[54:00] Speaker 3: this year? That sort of in your eyes, sets you
[54:03] Speaker 3: apart from some of your peers in the industry and
[54:06] Speaker 3: how they're viewing this class.
[54:07] Speaker 2: The flag that he's planting.
[54:09] Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, the flags of planning everywhere. I love the
[54:12] Speaker 5: offensive line class, and I think that other people are
[54:15] Speaker 5: just trying to, like I keep you know, receivers always
[54:18] Speaker 5: trying to get People love receivers and those always get steam,
[54:21] Speaker 5: and everyone's just to talk about receivers. You know, Quarterbacks
[54:23] Speaker 5: is always top. I'd say receivers is too. And I'm seeing, like,
[54:26] Speaker 5: you know, receivers might be the most drafted position the
[54:29] Speaker 5: first round. It's like there might be ten offensive linement
[54:30] Speaker 5: in the first round. And I've been kind of beating
[54:33] Speaker 5: that drum over and over and I think I'm gonna
[54:35] Speaker 5: be proven right. But I would say I've steamed up
[54:38] Speaker 5: a lot of guys in this offensive line class. Monroe
[54:40] Speaker 5: Feeling from Georgia one of the most improved players I've
[54:43] Speaker 5: ever scouted. I watched him mid season last year and
[54:47] Speaker 5: last year twenty twenty five, mid season October, and I
[54:50] Speaker 5: was like, okay, third fourth rounder, I'll deal with you
[54:51] Speaker 5: in a year. Then watch the last two months. And
[54:54] Speaker 5: also I'm like, oh my god, this guy might be
[54:55] Speaker 5: a top five pick. It's awesome. But him, yeah, mag
[55:01] Speaker 5: he and a chore from Arizona State. Really cool story.
[55:03] Speaker 5: I have him as eleven on my big board. The
[55:05] Speaker 5: guy just learned how to play football five years ago.
[55:08] Speaker 5: I'm super high on him, So I would say the
[55:09] Speaker 5: old line steam is. I'm a little different with I
[55:13] Speaker 5: would say some certain guys. Denzel Boston, receiver from Washington,
[55:17] Speaker 5: I'm one of the higher players or higher grads of him.
[55:20] Speaker 5: I think I might be the highest. I really like him.
[55:24] Speaker 5: I just don't know you see this type of guy's
[55:27] Speaker 5: work in the NFL because he has the size and fluidity.
[55:30] Speaker 5: He's not, you know, David Boston's son. Sadly enough, I
[55:33] Speaker 5: am so excited when I first started scouting him. I
[55:36] Speaker 5: was like, oh my god, David Boston Son and we'll
[55:38] Speaker 5: go biggies. Of course that's David. Oh it's not David
[55:40] Speaker 5: Boston Son. I'm sorry, but Denzel Boston is a guy
[55:43] Speaker 5: I'm definitely higher on than a lot of other people.
[55:45] Speaker 5: Caleb Lomu would be another guy offensive tackle from Utahn,
[55:48] Speaker 5: A little higher on than other people. I'm trying to
[55:51] Speaker 5: think some maybe other guys and maybe have steamed a
[55:53] Speaker 5: little bit higher. It's a little bit down the listers.
[55:56] Speaker 5: Guys like you. I rare it in actually was the
[55:59] Speaker 5: guy that I'm definitely high. I have him at forty
[56:02] Speaker 5: seven on my big board, and I looked at consensus
[56:05] Speaker 5: rankings after I did all this to just kind of
[56:07] Speaker 5: see where I'm at. It's like me forty seven a
[56:09] Speaker 5: dot and then just a huge pipe nobody, and then
[56:13] Speaker 5: the next one is that like ninety six. So Eli
[56:16] Speaker 5: reared In is definitely a guy I'm higher on than
[56:18] Speaker 5: a lot of other people. Karon Crawford from Auburn is
[56:21] Speaker 5: another guy I'm pretty high on. He's an edge rusher.
[56:24] Speaker 5: Keldric Falk his teammate. I'm also higher on that defense
[56:27] Speaker 5: Actually was it Durkin was the dc DJ Durkin h
[56:34] Speaker 5: It's like, I get why they did a lot of things,
[56:36] Speaker 5: but also it's very annoying to grade guys because they
[56:39] Speaker 5: like do everything, and it's like, no, just you have
[56:42] Speaker 5: freaks up front. Just let them go, just pull it back,
[56:46] Speaker 5: just let him go, Like I want to see this.
[56:48] Speaker 5: But so the Auburn guys and maybe other guys, and
[56:50] Speaker 5: then maybe the last one all through out here is
[56:52] Speaker 5: design stribbling receiver from Old Miss I'm super high on.
[56:56] Speaker 5: I am fifty two on my big board. I you
[56:58] Speaker 5: asked me, maybe what one thing or a trade that's
[57:01] Speaker 5: maybe a standout thing. Stribbling might be the best blocking
[57:04] Speaker 5: receiver in this draft class, so maybe that's like another
[57:07] Speaker 5: one I could throw out there. But yeah, he he
[57:10] Speaker 5: won me over. And one of those guys that I
[57:12] Speaker 5: just I truly enjoyed watching receivers. It's just kind of
[57:15] Speaker 5: taking to leave it for me. It's like I kind
[57:17] Speaker 5: of know what I like, I kind of know what works,
[57:19] Speaker 5: or I try to at least do the best I can.
[57:21] Speaker 5: And he's a guy I watched an extra game of
[57:22] Speaker 5: because I enjoyed watching him play so much. And then
[57:25] Speaker 5: maybe Bryce Lance, another receiver from North Dakota State. Trey
[57:29] Speaker 5: Lance's brother, a little brother, and he's a little older,
[57:31] Speaker 5: but he's a freak athlete. Really liked him. So there's
[57:34] Speaker 5: a couple of names that kind of come to mind.
[57:37] Speaker 5: I like Jonah Coleman from Washington as well. At the
[57:41] Speaker 5: running back, those kind of guys, those kind of steady
[57:43] Speaker 5: eddy what I call doubles hitters. He ain't in the
[57:47] Speaker 5: home run the doubles hitters. I really kind of fall
[57:50] Speaker 5: for those guys every year. So he's another guy that
[57:52] Speaker 5: I'm a little bit more steamed up. But yeah, offensive
[57:54] Speaker 5: line class some cool receivers on Day two. I think
[57:56] Speaker 5: maybe the best way I could put it.
[57:58] Speaker 4: So, I'm glad you talk about off line because a
[58:01] Speaker 4: lot of these guys you're projecting out because you can't
[58:04] Speaker 4: sort of gauge specific scenarios for receivers, right if they're
[58:08] Speaker 4: in a weird system, if the quarterback situation is all
[58:11] Speaker 4: over the place, if the coordinator whatever. There is something
[58:14] Speaker 4: you can really sort of sink your teeth into, I think,
[58:18] Speaker 4: and that's if you like an offensive tackle and you
[58:21] Speaker 4: like an edge rusher and you get to see them
[58:23] Speaker 4: play against each other. That seems I could be very instructive.
[58:27] Speaker 4: So when you because you're obviously a big tape don't
[58:30] Speaker 4: lie guy, when you pop on the one on ones
[58:34] Speaker 4: that you feel like are the most instructive, whether it's
[58:37] Speaker 4: I'm trying to think of, like especially in the first round,
[58:39] Speaker 4: like if Spencer Fano went against David Bailey or something
[58:44] Speaker 4: like that and they did so, and they did so,
[58:46] Speaker 4: one of those that like were the most instructive, like
[58:49] Speaker 4: bits of tape where you're like, Okay, I like this guy,
[58:52] Speaker 4: I like this guy.
[58:53] Speaker 2: What happened?
[58:54] Speaker 5: Yeah? A great one. H Zion Young from a Zoo
[58:58] Speaker 5: and Kanen Proctor from Alba. Those two went against each
[59:02] Speaker 5: other because it's heavy on heavy. It's you know, glass
[59:05] Speaker 5: eater versus just a guy that's built like a globe.
[59:08] Speaker 5: And so those two going against each other was very fun.
[59:11] Speaker 5: And actually I would say Zion came out a little
[59:13] Speaker 5: bit ahead in my head for how I assessed it,
[59:16] Speaker 5: because it's power versus power, and he outpowered him, and
[59:19] Speaker 5: that's significant with the guy's three hundred and sixty pounds.
[59:24] Speaker 5: Max he Hendisher from Arizona State. They played because Arizona
[59:28] Speaker 5: State and Texas Tech are in the same conference now.
[59:30] Speaker 5: They played Texas Tech, and he got a lot of
[59:33] Speaker 5: steam at the Senior Bowl, and I could myself here
[59:36] Speaker 5: where I was like, I gotta watch more tape on you,
[59:38] Speaker 5: and I watched him against Texas Tech because that's with
[59:40] Speaker 5: two not only just with David Bailey. They got another guy,
[59:42] Speaker 5: Romelo Height, who's gonna be like a Round three guy.
[59:45] Speaker 5: Lee Hunter, the defensive tack will be a Day two guy,
[59:49] Speaker 5: and he shut him down. The entire game didn't have
[59:51] Speaker 5: one bad snap, no leakiness whatsoever. I'm like, this guy's
[59:55] Speaker 5: supposed to be a project and he just locked down
[59:57] Speaker 5: a top five pick in true PAS sets. Yeah, like
[1:00:00] Speaker 5: stock way up. So like he that did a lot.
[1:00:04] Speaker 5: Like that's one very specific one, that very specific game,
[1:00:07] Speaker 5: that very specific matchup did a lot at least to
[1:00:10] Speaker 5: me to kind of boo boost him up. Procter also
[1:00:13] Speaker 5: went against ar Mason Thomas from Oklahoma. That was another
[1:00:17] Speaker 5: one that was kind of in ar Mason Thomas's speed
[1:00:20] Speaker 5: speed speed, so speed versus power. That was kind of
[1:00:23] Speaker 5: a very fun one to kind of check out. Really
[1:00:26] Speaker 5: just quarterback against good defense like that that really a lot. Yeah,
[1:00:31] Speaker 5: like yeah, like seeing Mendoza figure out Oregon's defense and
[1:00:34] Speaker 5: figure out, oh I can just attack these corners. Watching
[1:00:38] Speaker 5: him against Ohio State and the second half him starting
[1:00:40] Speaker 5: to push the ball a little more and going like
[1:00:42] Speaker 5: I gotta be a little riskier than what I was
[1:00:44] Speaker 5: and only it was a couple of drives, But that's
[1:00:47] Speaker 5: a that's a really fun one when you see, Okay,
[1:00:49] Speaker 5: this quarterback really leans on urpos how does he do
[1:00:52] Speaker 5: it when he has to go third and ten a
[1:00:53] Speaker 5: bunch of times? And that you can kind of up
[1:00:55] Speaker 5: you can see the positives and maybe the negatives of
[1:00:57] Speaker 5: that guy when you kind of just maybe see more
[1:00:59] Speaker 5: of a mental match up D'Angel Ponce Indiana cornerspeeding the
[1:01:02] Speaker 5: Indiana Smaller. I have him a forty two of my
[1:01:04] Speaker 5: big board. He's awesome, even though it's a listening to
[1:01:08] Speaker 5: my heart over my head. Maybe being around Antoine Winfield
[1:01:12] Speaker 5: Senior and when I was a kid really helped me
[1:01:14] Speaker 5: out because I think Ponds and Winfield Senior have a
[1:01:17] Speaker 5: lot in common. Going watching him against Ohiose State or
[1:01:20] Speaker 5: watching him go against some big, burly receivers. I think
[1:01:23] Speaker 5: he went against Washington and went against Boston last year,
[1:01:27] Speaker 5: and and so it's cool to see him go against
[1:01:30] Speaker 5: maybe bigger talented receivers and hold his own and make
[1:01:33] Speaker 5: plays and kind of do some cool stuff. So those
[1:01:35] Speaker 5: are a couple of matchups that I always come to
[1:01:37] Speaker 5: mind right now.
[1:01:38] Speaker 4: When you look at the prospects, and I know you're
[1:01:40] Speaker 4: you would attack this much more from a like who
[1:01:43] Speaker 4: are these guys? How do I project them forward? But
[1:01:45] Speaker 4: I'm sure there's part of your brain that says, Okay,
[1:01:47] Speaker 4: this is how the Vikings play on defense, this is
[1:01:50] Speaker 4: how the Rams play on offense. Right, there's like a
[1:01:52] Speaker 4: very specific way, you know, Ben Johnson likes to attack
[1:01:55] Speaker 4: teams who are the players When you are looking at this,
[1:01:59] Speaker 4: we're like, Okay, I see what kind of player they
[1:02:01] Speaker 4: could be if they end up in this specific kind
[1:02:05] Speaker 4: of place, right that like not necessarily like oh, this
[1:02:08] Speaker 4: is a fit for this team, but you're like, oh,
[1:02:10] Speaker 4: the prototypes are kind of taking shape.
[1:02:13] Speaker 5: Yeah, Denzel Boston again going if he went with the
[1:02:15] Speaker 5: Rams that one would make a ton of with Teron McVay.
[1:02:18] Speaker 5: That would make a ton of sense to me, and
[1:02:20] Speaker 5: I think more sense than people are giving it credit
[1:02:23] Speaker 5: to right now. Just because they like those big receivers,
[1:02:26] Speaker 5: guys that maybe aren't the top end speed guys but
[1:02:29] Speaker 5: are more just kind of fluid like Puganakua ran almost
[1:02:32] Speaker 5: a four to six and he led the or was
[1:02:34] Speaker 5: up there in the NFL with explosive plays last year.
[1:02:37] Speaker 5: They like good blockers, They like versattle guys like Boston
[1:02:40] Speaker 5: really checks a lot of those boxes. He put returned
[1:02:42] Speaker 5: punts at six four two fifteen. Like, I'm not gonna
[1:02:44] Speaker 5: wave that away, right That is that is a data
[1:02:47] Speaker 5: point I am going to use, Like that is something
[1:02:50] Speaker 5: that is significant. That's one that's really come to mind
[1:02:52] Speaker 5: to meet Spencer Fano you mentioned from Utah actually that
[1:02:56] Speaker 5: was another matchup the Utah tackles against the text tech edges.
[1:02:59] Speaker 5: Wasn't there one Their quarterback made it tougher, Dan Pierre,
[1:03:04] Speaker 5: who actually I like more at New Mexico than at Utah.
[1:03:08] Speaker 5: But yeah, I was very high on Utah this year
[1:03:11] Speaker 5: because I knew they had some awesome tackles and he
[1:03:14] Speaker 5: got dropped in. I'm like, he's not gonna get sacked
[1:03:15] Speaker 5: this whole year, and there was. I was a little
[1:03:17] Speaker 5: more frustrated than I thought it would be to Utah. Yeah,
[1:03:20] Speaker 5: But like Spencer Fano with the Ravens is one I
[1:03:23] Speaker 5: like in the sense that I think he's best at guard,
[1:03:27] Speaker 5: but also he's really athletic, really good on the move,
[1:03:30] Speaker 5: and that's an offensive system that I think would be
[1:03:32] Speaker 5: perfect with him. With their new offensive coordinator, Declan Doyle,
[1:03:35] Speaker 5: and I think they're gonna be more zone heavy again.
[1:03:37] Speaker 5: Derek Henry's zone heavy running back, which I think I
[1:03:40] Speaker 5: think that screws people up when they Derrek Henry is
[1:03:42] Speaker 5: so big, but then people think of zone runs as finesse,
[1:03:45] Speaker 5: but everyone just runs zone. But he's actually like better
[1:03:48] Speaker 5: on zone than he is on like power runs. It's
[1:03:50] Speaker 5: kind of like a weird kind of thing with him,
[1:03:53] Speaker 5: But no Spencer Fano, it would be That's one fit
[1:03:55] Speaker 5: I've kind of just keep coming back to when I
[1:03:57] Speaker 5: do these, do my mock drafts and everything. There's others,
[1:04:02] Speaker 5: but again, like receiver wise, it's just like I could
[1:04:04] Speaker 5: go on all day. Oh, Emmanuel McNeil Warren. He's a
[1:04:06] Speaker 5: safety from Toledo. I actually like him a lot with
[1:04:10] Speaker 5: if he went to the Bills in the twenties. Bills
[1:04:12] Speaker 5: fans keep getting mad at me when I give him
[1:04:14] Speaker 5: a safety and not a receiver, but I just keep going.
[1:04:17] Speaker 5: I don't know. Jim Leonard, he likes these type of guys.
[1:04:20] Speaker 5: He could be the seilingal high guy you can come down.
[1:04:22] Speaker 5: So like, that's another one that's kind of a weird
[1:04:25] Speaker 5: kind of pairing. I don't think a lot of people
[1:04:26] Speaker 5: have that one, but that's one that I keep coming
[1:04:28] Speaker 5: back to, as well as McNeil Warren with either the
[1:04:30] Speaker 5: Bears or the Bills in the twenties because how their
[1:04:32] Speaker 5: defensive systems are.
[1:04:34] Speaker 4: Do you see overlap between college and NFL systems in
[1:04:37] Speaker 4: any sort of significant way? And I know, like you know,
[1:04:40] Speaker 4: the Seahawks are doing interesting things up front with their
[1:04:43] Speaker 4: pass rush, and I know a lot of college teams
[1:04:45] Speaker 4: are going to more like three high type looks on defense.
[1:04:49] Speaker 4: Where do you see and it's sort of a vice
[1:04:51] Speaker 4: versa thing like where do you see college affecting where
[1:04:53] Speaker 4: NFL teams are going, and where do you see what
[1:04:55] Speaker 4: NFL teams are doing that college teams start adopting if
[1:04:59] Speaker 4: they can and with limited practice time.
[1:05:01] Speaker 5: Well, I'll even start with collers. Now they got the headsets,
[1:05:04] Speaker 5: so that's that's right. I see way more complicated offensive
[1:05:07] Speaker 5: stuff happening because they can actually get the terminology out
[1:05:10] Speaker 5: there and actually kind of going a little slower because
[1:05:14] Speaker 5: teams are huddling a little bit more, which I that's
[1:05:17] Speaker 5: just something offhand I've kind of noticed. And I actually
[1:05:19] Speaker 5: it was something I hadn't even really considered when I
[1:05:21] Speaker 5: watched quarterbacks. I was like, actually, they have more experience,
[1:05:23] Speaker 5: No kind.
[1:05:24] Speaker 3: Of that's really interesting observation.
[1:05:27] Speaker 5: It was kind of just something I just kind of hadn't.
[1:05:29] Speaker 5: It really didn't click for me until this month, actually,
[1:05:31] Speaker 5: and I wish I was on that earlier. With the
[1:05:33] Speaker 5: headset stuff, I would say more defensive carryover. Now you
[1:05:38] Speaker 5: see more three down fronts. Iowa State is so funky
[1:05:42] Speaker 5: to watch. I watched their nose tackle Dominique Orange. It's
[1:05:45] Speaker 5: one of those things where I really like him, but
[1:05:47] Speaker 5: it's one of those things where I understand why they
[1:05:49] Speaker 5: have to do it, and it works great in college,
[1:05:52] Speaker 5: but it's also really frustrated when you have to scout
[1:05:54] Speaker 5: a guy. It's like, just just stop looping them, just
[1:05:57] Speaker 5: let them rush, you know. But I would say defensively,
[1:06:00] Speaker 5: so many defenses are two high schemes a lot of
[1:06:04] Speaker 5: and they've been a lot more invert heavy. And when
[1:06:06] Speaker 5: I say invert, it's like a corner that's on the
[1:06:10] Speaker 5: outside is now screaming back to be to a cover
[1:06:13] Speaker 5: two safety, and then the safety that was high is
[1:06:16] Speaker 5: now screaming down to be the flat defender. They're inverting roles.
[1:06:19] Speaker 5: But the picture you're painting to the quarterback is, oh,
[1:06:22] Speaker 5: it's single high, which cover one, cover three. And then
[1:06:25] Speaker 5: you throw a throw thinking it's Cover one, cover three
[1:06:28] Speaker 5: if you are operating on time, which is not a
[1:06:30] Speaker 5: lot with college quarterbacks, you throw it, but then it's
[1:06:32] Speaker 5: cover two and that's cover three and cover two couldn't
[1:06:34] Speaker 5: be more opposite a lot more. I'd say both places
[1:06:38] Speaker 5: are kind of like it's kind of a feedback loop
[1:06:40] Speaker 5: on each other. I could see NFL teams doing some stuff,
[1:06:43] Speaker 5: and then I saw some college teams doing this stuff.
[1:06:45] Speaker 5: I saw like the Arizona Cardinals doing and vice versa.
[1:06:48] Speaker 5: And there's one thing that I've noticed more NFL teams
[1:06:51] Speaker 5: are using more and more, and I think they should
[1:06:53] Speaker 5: use more and more, is what they call mirror fronts,
[1:06:57] Speaker 5: which is if you want to do the longer term,
[1:07:00] Speaker 5: it's odd mirror odd is the defensive front. Odd is
[1:07:02] Speaker 5: three guys odd number one two three even is four
[1:07:06] Speaker 5: guys even number, So odd mirror is you do a
[1:07:10] Speaker 5: three down front, you'd have two linebacker types or two defenders.
[1:07:14] Speaker 5: It could be safety, it could be another defensiveignment that's
[1:07:16] Speaker 5: really fast. You have them off the ball, whoever the
[1:07:19] Speaker 5: running back goes in one way that one off ball
[1:07:21] Speaker 5: guy takes the running back. The other guy is a
[1:07:23] Speaker 5: QB spy, a mirror of the quarterback. Definitely have to
[1:07:26] Speaker 5: use end college because how fast some of these quarterbacks
[1:07:29] Speaker 5: are and how much they want to run. So everybody
[1:07:31] Speaker 5: has a kind of in college or a majority do
[1:07:33] Speaker 5: and I've seen Georgia do it for years. I seen
[1:07:35] Speaker 5: teams in the SEC do it. For years. Now I'm
[1:07:37] Speaker 5: now seeing more NFL teams do it, and it is
[1:07:40] Speaker 5: given quarterbacks fits, especially the guys that like to create
[1:07:43] Speaker 5: the Josh Allens of the world the mahomes Is of
[1:07:45] Speaker 5: the world. Because the defensive ends usually have to be
[1:07:49] Speaker 5: very pocket sound. You have to contain and rush outside.
[1:07:53] Speaker 5: When you do these mirror fronts, they have a two
[1:07:55] Speaker 5: way go so they can go inside. And so what
[1:07:58] Speaker 5: happened is tackle sets outside alsuden, he gets beat inside
[1:08:02] Speaker 5: and then the quarterback goes, oh, rushing lane, all right,
[1:08:05] Speaker 5: I'm going to go and then here comes the mirror
[1:08:06] Speaker 5: guy screaming over the top, running full speed and getting them.
[1:08:09] Speaker 5: And I'm seeing more call our NFL teams do that more,
[1:08:12] Speaker 5: and I I want to say more do it. They should,
[1:08:15] Speaker 5: because I've yet to see NFL teams really come up
[1:08:17] Speaker 5: with good counters to it. Because you can flood the
[1:08:20] Speaker 5: passing lanes now because you're only you're dropping seven. You
[1:08:23] Speaker 5: can run passing cons or pass coverages that are baiting
[1:08:28] Speaker 5: the quarterback to run, like if you run man coverage
[1:08:30] Speaker 5: behind it. All the quarterback goes, oh, all their backs
[1:08:31] Speaker 5: are turned. I'm good and then here comes the mirror
[1:08:33] Speaker 5: guy getting you so that is one thing I've seen
[1:08:36] Speaker 5: college teams do, and I would say the first team
[1:08:37] Speaker 5: I ever saw do it was Jim Letard at Wisconsin
[1:08:40] Speaker 5: and then Georgia. We're doing it in the way with Kirby.
[1:08:43] Speaker 5: Where those are the first teams I really saw popularize it.
[1:08:45] Speaker 5: And then I see now and more and more NFL
[1:08:47] Speaker 5: teams do it. And yeah, so that's one little kind
[1:08:49] Speaker 5: of like scheme thing I've seen getting copied.
[1:08:52] Speaker 4: My final question just because I want to bring balance
[1:08:54] Speaker 4: into the universe because of both Jeremiah Love and Eli
[1:08:56] Speaker 4: Rarid and Talk Oregon, my taked Oregon. I listen, I
[1:09:01] Speaker 4: sent you a message like two years ago about Kenyon
[1:09:04] Speaker 4: Sadik when he was like the third string, and I said, listen,
[1:09:07] Speaker 4: I'm just telling you, this dude is something else. And
[1:09:12] Speaker 4: so he's looked at as tight end one because of
[1:09:14] Speaker 4: athletic versatility and just an absolute outlier athletically, and Dylan
[1:09:19] Speaker 4: Thieneman on the other side of the ball is looked
[1:09:21] Speaker 4: at as a top flight safety because of his versatility.
[1:09:25] Speaker 4: I'm wondering how you project them forward, what you think
[1:09:28] Speaker 4: of them, because the season did not end super well
[1:09:31] Speaker 4: for me as an Oregon fan, against the number one
[1:09:33] Speaker 4: overall pick. So just bring some sunlight to the the
[1:09:37] Speaker 4: Oregon Ducks. To finish out my round of questioning.
[1:09:40] Speaker 5: Yes, Sadik is also all bust team first off, like
[1:09:44] Speaker 5: just look at his shoulders. Yeah, it's yeahs in a.
[1:09:48] Speaker 4: Good way to be clear, bust can have it in
[1:09:50] Speaker 4: a drafts. Yeah, all bust team is a good al
[1:09:53] Speaker 4: Tarso yeah, yes, it's the guys that come off the
[1:09:55] Speaker 4: bus first and you go oooh like that's a you know,
[1:09:57] Speaker 4: it's a I think Tressel was the king of it. Yeah, yeah,
[1:10:01] Speaker 4: he trust will walk out onto the field with his
[1:10:03] Speaker 4: biggest lineman and I always noticed that he knew exactly
[1:10:06] Speaker 4: who was walking out in the field with every single time.
[1:10:08] Speaker 5: And it wasn't the captains. It was the guy that
[1:10:12] Speaker 5: you if you sorted by weight, they're probably up there
[1:10:14] Speaker 5: with him. But anyways, he no Sadiq, I have on
[1:10:19] Speaker 5: He's somewhere on the Vernon Davis, Tommy Trimble spectrum. Oh
[1:10:23] Speaker 5: like he's that type of player. He's somewhere in there,
[1:10:26] Speaker 5: and he's not quite as big as Davis, but he
[1:10:28] Speaker 5: They have a lot of like freak athletes how to
[1:10:31] Speaker 5: catch the ball, Like I think Sadik sometimes isn't the
[1:10:33] Speaker 5: most natural handcatcher, and that's how Davis was. They're almost
[1:10:36] Speaker 5: like too strong, like squeeze.
[1:10:39] Speaker 2: The ball a little too hard.
[1:10:41] Speaker 5: But I he's so explosive and that's all that matters
[1:10:44] Speaker 5: right now in the NFL, is creating explosives he can
[1:10:47] Speaker 5: do with the ball in the sands. Not gonna really
[1:10:48] Speaker 5: juke a guy, but he can really get downfield in
[1:10:51] Speaker 5: a hurry. I thought certain games you got to see
[1:10:53] Speaker 5: a little bit more of his downfield ability as a
[1:10:55] Speaker 5: as a route runner. Again, I'll bring up that Rutgers game.
[1:10:57] Speaker 5: He had two touchdowns against Rutgers on vertical and you
[1:11:00] Speaker 5: got to see his ball skills and that those that
[1:11:03] Speaker 5: really helps because he's not which you picture maybe as
[1:11:06] Speaker 5: the perfect kind of build tight end. You'd think those
[1:11:08] Speaker 5: guys are more power forwards. He's built like a you know,
[1:11:11] Speaker 5: small forward, but a rocked up small forward, you know. So,
[1:11:16] Speaker 5: but he's a tough blocker, like a willing blocker. He's
[1:11:19] Speaker 5: not going to do all the what we call inline
[1:11:22] Speaker 5: stuff like I mentioned like rared in doing. But the
[1:11:24] Speaker 5: fact that he's not a nothing is a feather in
[1:11:27] Speaker 5: his cap. He's athletic enough to split out. I had
[1:11:30] Speaker 5: him at nineteen on my big board, but I just
[1:11:32] Speaker 5: I really liked him because it was just like it's
[1:11:35] Speaker 5: I just think he has to be a very specific home.
[1:11:37] Speaker 5: He's not like a no doubt or like Bowers to
[1:11:39] Speaker 5: me with such a no doubt or I had Colson
[1:11:41] Speaker 5: Lovelin a little bit more higher than Sadik and Tower Warren,
[1:11:44] Speaker 5: but not that much higher because I just thought the
[1:11:47] Speaker 5: size and everything. But I think Sadiq is just so explosive,
[1:11:51] Speaker 5: real receiving ability, improving route running that if he goes
[1:11:54] Speaker 5: to certain places I had. I think we had him
[1:11:56] Speaker 5: going to the bucks in our last mock, and I
[1:11:59] Speaker 5: actually really like that because he has other weapons. He
[1:12:01] Speaker 5: doesn't have to be force fed a whole bunch of stuff.
[1:12:03] Speaker 5: They have another tight end so he can be off
[1:12:05] Speaker 5: ball and do be more used creatively.
[1:12:07] Speaker 4: They have other organ docs, right, they have Bucky Irving,
[1:12:09] Speaker 4: they have yeah, what's his name on the little receiver
[1:12:13] Speaker 4: on the outside, who oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
[1:12:15] Speaker 5: Oh my god.
[1:12:15] Speaker 4: Oh.
[1:12:16] Speaker 5: People would show up about inim this summer and I
[1:12:17] Speaker 5: was like, he's not going to stay healthy though. What's
[1:12:19] Speaker 5: his name? Tesz Johnson, John, Tez Johnson, Yes, oh, my god. Yeah,
[1:12:24] Speaker 5: he was like a fantasy football wonder because everyone got
[1:12:28] Speaker 5: hurt on the Bucks and yeah, he came out and
[1:12:30] Speaker 5: then uneman is I think what really helped him was
[1:12:33] Speaker 5: you mentioned the versatility. Yeah, being versatile his Purdue tape
[1:12:37] Speaker 5: I actually projects to maybe how you get used in
[1:12:40] Speaker 5: the NFL more because of how he got used on
[1:12:43] Speaker 5: the back end. But the fact that he can do
[1:12:46] Speaker 5: everything and he's also a good athlete is going to
[1:12:48] Speaker 5: give him a lot of fans. Safety value is so weird.
[1:12:52] Speaker 5: It's very teams weighed all differently. It's just that you
[1:12:54] Speaker 5: can find more safeties. I mentioned that was slot. It's
[1:12:57] Speaker 5: like offensive guard a little bit. You can just find
[1:12:59] Speaker 5: more guys that that position. Slot receiver, you can find
[1:13:02] Speaker 5: a lot of slot receivers. Same with this, but because
[1:13:05] Speaker 5: he has an of course he's intelligent. I think when
[1:13:08] Speaker 5: he closes on the football, that's the highlight to me.
[1:13:12] Speaker 5: Like so they would use him that rover. I don't
[1:13:15] Speaker 5: know what's to call it position. You see boodh Baker
[1:13:18] Speaker 5: get used to like it in the NFL. It's what
[1:13:19] Speaker 5: they used to call it monster back back in the day,
[1:13:21] Speaker 5: but no one calls it that anymore. That's just me
[1:13:23] Speaker 5: using my dad's old boomber to boomer terminology. But it's
[1:13:27] Speaker 5: just fineball seaball or fine ball getball. And you see
[1:13:30] Speaker 5: him really close down on run plays. I really like that.
[1:13:33] Speaker 5: And he's a good tackler in space. So I think
[1:13:36] Speaker 5: to the fact that he's good at a lot of things,
[1:13:38] Speaker 5: and in fact that he tested well, he was going
[1:13:40] Speaker 5: to give him fans, so he's gonna everyone. He might
[1:13:43] Speaker 5: go early teens. Some teams really like him, like the
[1:13:46] Speaker 5: Cowboys are interested in him at twelve. But I'm more
[1:13:49] Speaker 5: comfortable with him a little later. But I still have
[1:13:51] Speaker 5: a first round grade, or not first round grade, but
[1:13:54] Speaker 5: he's in my top thirty. He's maybe the best way
[1:13:55] Speaker 5: to put it, because it's not true first round grade.
[1:13:58] Speaker 5: But yeah, no, he's he's but the guy's going back
[1:13:59] Speaker 5: to or interesting too. That's for Oregon. That's that's what
[1:14:02] Speaker 5: I I have more eyes on some of the guys
[1:14:05] Speaker 5: that went back line. Yeah. I always want to say Ukulele,
[1:14:09] Speaker 5: but it's not Ukulele.
[1:14:10] Speaker 3: It's.
[1:14:12] Speaker 5: He's been I just feel like I've watched him for
[1:14:14] Speaker 5: so many years now, but I like him more as
[1:14:17] Speaker 5: a round two ish guy. Washington at defensive tackle. I
[1:14:21] Speaker 5: I like him. I had him as a top twenty
[1:14:24] Speaker 5: five guy before he declared back school. He had some
[1:14:27] Speaker 5: moments of frustration too, but man, his highs are really
[1:14:30] Speaker 5: really high. And then maybe in two years is maybe
[1:14:33] Speaker 5: some of the other guys and that their running backs
[1:14:35] Speaker 5: really interesting. The a receiver that's really interesting. They have
[1:14:37] Speaker 5: another tight end this year that's I flashed a little
[1:14:40] Speaker 5: bit as well. But no, they're both good players. The team,
[1:14:44] Speaker 5: the league really likes them. They're getting a lot of
[1:14:45] Speaker 5: steam right now. I think both end up at the
[1:14:48] Speaker 5: latest mid twenties and I think the earliest early teens,
[1:14:51] Speaker 5: both of them. Sadik's getting some love from the Chiefs so,
[1:14:54] Speaker 5: which I think is interesting. And they're picking at nine.
[1:14:56] Speaker 5: Uh So that yeah, firepower man, Like that's if you
[1:15:00] Speaker 5: can take a five yard catch and turn into forty five. Like,
[1:15:03] Speaker 5: teams are going to love you, and that's what he
[1:15:04] Speaker 5: can do.
[1:15:06] Speaker 3: Nate Tice, Yahoo Sports three or One Podcast Final, Final
[1:15:09] Speaker 3: final question. I promise you've been so generous with your time.
[1:15:12] Speaker 3: I know you got better things to do.
[1:15:14] Speaker 5: No, this is great.
[1:15:15] Speaker 3: You got two top ten picks coming in my New
[1:15:17] Speaker 3: York Giants. They decided they're not, I guess, not going
[1:15:22] Speaker 3: to play the run this year the same way they
[1:15:23] Speaker 3: didn't last year. Five and ten on the board, what
[1:15:30] Speaker 3: is what are the two picks? Should they go defense
[1:15:33] Speaker 3: and then Jordan Tyson are I think you're a little
[1:15:36] Speaker 3: skeptical on Jordan Tyson for what I've seen in your
[1:15:38] Speaker 3: coverage thus far. What what should the two picks be?
[1:15:41] Speaker 3: If you're the guy making the picks?
[1:15:43] Speaker 5: Yeah, now you just skeptical on Jordan Tyson. Just I
[1:15:45] Speaker 5: think teams are rebuilding, which the Giants are. I know,
[1:15:48] Speaker 5: Harbough's gonna get them right, but they're rebuilding. Do not
[1:15:52] Speaker 5: go a receiver. It's just kind of they're the cherry
[1:15:54] Speaker 5: on tops to the rebuild. They're the they're the final
[1:15:57] Speaker 5: little piece. They're not the things. They're not the foundation
[1:16:00] Speaker 5: of a rebuild. And I see a lot of dumb
[1:16:02] Speaker 5: teams receivers early, and I'm like, you guys are in
[1:16:05] Speaker 5: a position to be draft in that. But so to me,
[1:16:08] Speaker 5: five and ten should be defense, defense or defense and
[1:16:11] Speaker 5: then guard or or offensive line. I should say I
[1:16:14] Speaker 5: picked ten and that's where that's the comfortable range. I
[1:16:16] Speaker 5: think for a lot of these linemen, a lot of
[1:16:18] Speaker 5: where these teams are viewing these linemen, so I think ten,
[1:16:21] Speaker 5: but I wouldn't be at five. If Styles is there,
[1:16:25] Speaker 5: I don't think he might be. I would love that
[1:16:28] Speaker 5: for them, Caleb Downs, I'd be very comfortable and I
[1:16:30] Speaker 5: would totally understand it. You got to think of how
[1:16:33] Speaker 5: well the Giants on third and long in the last
[1:16:35] Speaker 5: couple years been one of the most frustrating defenses to
[1:16:37] Speaker 5: ever watch. Like off third and ten and then let
[1:16:40] Speaker 5: up some four yard catch, You'll go to the house.
[1:16:42] Speaker 5: It won't even be just a first down. I'll go score.
[1:16:45] Speaker 5: So who to best solidify that one of the smartest
[1:16:49] Speaker 5: defenders on the back end that can do a little
[1:16:51] Speaker 5: bit of everything. That's downs to me, you know, and
[1:16:54] Speaker 5: that So that's that's how I consider those two top
[1:16:56] Speaker 5: two picks. Is defense, defense in some way, shape or form,
[1:17:00] Speaker 5: and then hope somebody jumps for a receiver or two receivers.
[1:17:05] Speaker 5: I will say the fact that Joe Shane has met
[1:17:09] Speaker 5: with Jordan Tyson, and that's what just keeps getting reported.
[1:17:11] Speaker 5: I keep shrugging my shoulder at that because Harbaugh's making
[1:17:14] Speaker 5: the pick. So it's kind of what I was like,
[1:17:16] Speaker 5: that's nice, you know, that's great, good, Good for Joe.
[1:17:21] Speaker 5: You know that's kind That's kind of how I view
[1:17:23] Speaker 5: it a little bit. It's like, all right, that's that's nice.
[1:17:25] Speaker 5: You might like him, but he's not making the pick.
[1:17:27] Speaker 5: So to me, I would prefer they went defense defense,
[1:17:31] Speaker 5: and I actually think they're set up decently to do
[1:17:33] Speaker 5: that where they can get too pretty much. I would
[1:17:36] Speaker 5: call impact players at those spots. So somewhere somehow state guy,
[1:17:41] Speaker 5: how state guy in the top ten, I wo'd be cop.
[1:17:43] Speaker 3: Bring them over. We're cool with it, all right. We
[1:17:47] Speaker 3: have taken up so much of your time. When can
[1:17:49] Speaker 3: people find the live show that you're doing for Y'ahu Sports?
[1:17:53] Speaker 5: Oh this little website called YouTube You can check us out.
[1:17:57] Speaker 5: Yeah yeahoo sports YouTube channel. We will be live Thursday
[1:18:01] Speaker 5: for round one, Friday for rounds two and three. Me
[1:18:05] Speaker 5: Charles McDonald, Matt Harmon, Andrew Siciliano on Thursday, and then
[1:18:09] Speaker 5: Jason Fits on Friday. We'll be going pick by pick.
[1:18:12] Speaker 5: I don't think we did. I don't think we took
[1:18:13] Speaker 5: a break last year.
[1:18:15] Speaker 3: Yeah, I watched it last year. I think I watched
[1:18:17] Speaker 3: your guys last year.
[1:18:19] Speaker 5: From some sitting there without going to the bathroom. Oh
[1:18:22] Speaker 5: you did I appreciate that thing.
[1:18:24] Speaker 3: You were great you you guys did a great child.
[1:18:25] Speaker 3: I watched it again.
[1:18:26] Speaker 5: Yeah, it's one of my favorite nights of the year.
[1:18:29] Speaker 5: It's so weird. Every every I I was a sucker
[1:18:32] Speaker 5: for the Draft as a kid, and Saturday when it
[1:18:34] Speaker 5: was Saturday Sunday, I started becoming athletic. And also I
[1:18:37] Speaker 5: had to play an au basketball tournament. I remember being
[1:18:39] Speaker 5: so pissed about that that I had to be playing
[1:18:42] Speaker 5: basketball terms instead of watching the draft and watching Maurice
[1:18:45] Speaker 5: Corett be the last pick of the third round. Uh,
[1:18:48] Speaker 5: you know, like those are the memories of my childhood
[1:18:50] Speaker 5: as opposed to like any basket I scored in seventh grade,
[1:18:53] Speaker 5: eighth grade.
[1:18:54] Speaker 2: That says a lot.
[1:18:55] Speaker 5: That says us. Right, it's a I just did an
[1:18:57] Speaker 5: interview and they were trying to explain it, like how
[1:18:59] Speaker 5: do you explain to someone that doesn't know the draft
[1:19:01] Speaker 5: to them? And I go, well, luckily I haven't met
[1:19:03] Speaker 5: a lot of those people, so it's really hard. You
[1:19:05] Speaker 5: gotta understand how how much guys swear in the show,
[1:19:07] Speaker 5: but you got understand. Yeah, my brain is it's like,
[1:19:11] Speaker 5: so me explaining this stuff is not maybe the best
[1:19:13] Speaker 5: person to explain it because I'm like way in the weeds.
[1:19:15] Speaker 4: But yeah, I was sad that I had to play
[1:19:18] Speaker 4: sports instead of watching an administrative process.
[1:19:23] Speaker 5: Conference call.
[1:19:23] Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, exactly, that's that's really what it is.
[1:19:26] Speaker 5: I know, what do you think? I know? Yeah, but
[1:19:29] Speaker 5: at least since eight minutes a night too or eight
[1:19:31] Speaker 5: minutes a pick now, so they shaved off two minutes
[1:19:33] Speaker 5: a pick. Let's let's speed this thing up.
[1:19:35] Speaker 2: So gat it up?
[1:19:35] Speaker 5: Man?
[1:19:36] Speaker 2: All right?
[1:19:36] Speaker 5: Well on Yahoo so check that out. O. Thank you
[1:19:39] Speaker 5: guys so much. That's one of my favorite shows. So
[1:19:41] Speaker 5: I thank you guys for having me always, so I
[1:19:43] Speaker 5: really appreciate it.
[1:19:44] Speaker 3: Always great to get your wisdom. Enjoy the drafts. We
[1:19:47] Speaker 3: will talk to you, I mean, same time, same place
[1:19:49] Speaker 3: next year, for sure.
[1:19:50] Speaker 1: But maybe before then we'll see how it goes.
[1:19:52] Speaker 5: All right, sounds good?
[1:19:57] Speaker 3: All right, there you go. That might have been the
[1:19:58] Speaker 3: longest we have gone with me in the brain that
[1:20:01] Speaker 3: we have been doing this. So dudes an encyclopedia. Man,
[1:20:05] Speaker 3: he knows stuff inside out.
[1:20:08] Speaker 4: Yeah, especially when you're like, okay, give me some names
[1:20:10] Speaker 4: of guys that specifically fit this specific mold and he's like, yeah,
[1:20:14] Speaker 4: my number nine slot corner, like okay, and goes into
[1:20:17] Speaker 4: detail like this is this is not him doing his job.
[1:20:22] Speaker 4: This is him getting lucky that he was able to
[1:20:25] Speaker 4: turn in a very clear obsession and passion into his job.
[1:20:29] Speaker 3: Yeah, you don't. You don't apply for this job. You
[1:20:32] Speaker 3: don't apply for it because it's a job and it's
[1:20:33] Speaker 3: a paycheck. You do this because you love it. And
[1:20:36] Speaker 3: I think that's apparent when you hear him speak. Yeah.
[1:20:38] Speaker 4: I think if Nate were an accountant and he were
[1:20:42] Speaker 4: just you know, in an elevator with somebody, he would
[1:20:44] Speaker 4: also be talking about Rvel Reese right in those terms, right, Yes,
[1:20:50] Speaker 4: So yeah, this is it's just who he has to be.
[1:20:53] Speaker 3: Beautiful well, always a pleasure. Go and check out his
[1:20:58] Speaker 3: fine work again at Yahoo Sports the three oh one podcast,
[1:21:02] Speaker 3: the show that he and some of his colleagues are
[1:21:03] Speaker 3: going to do as he said out on YouTube on
[1:21:06] Speaker 3: Thursday and Friday, and truly this is not me. Just
[1:21:09] Speaker 3: like blowing Smoke, I didn't watch it. I watched it
[1:21:12] Speaker 3: exclusively last year and I turned on turned others onto
[1:21:16] Speaker 3: it as well because I think they did a really
[1:21:17] Speaker 3: good job. So probably go that route again this year
[1:21:21] Speaker 3: and react to or watch them react to whatever the
[1:21:25] Speaker 3: Giants decided to do.
[1:21:26] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[1:21:27] Speaker 4: No, I think the live watch along stuff is a
[1:21:29] Speaker 4: lot more fun than the broadcast themselves, because look, the
[1:21:32] Speaker 4: broadcasts have the rights to show you what these players
[1:21:35] Speaker 4: look like on the field, and that's terrific. But it
[1:21:38] Speaker 4: is a lot of the same kinds of conversations that
[1:21:41] Speaker 4: they've already been having, and I think it's a lot
[1:21:43] Speaker 4: more entertaining to watch something like Nate on Yahoo.
[1:21:45] Speaker 2: I think it's great.
[1:21:47] Speaker 3: All right, Well, again, big thanks to Nate. On our
[1:21:50] Speaker 3: next episode, I believe the plan is to do something
[1:21:53] Speaker 3: of a vibe check in the SEC.
[1:21:54] Speaker 4: Yeah, yes, we're gonna start a vibe check or we're
[1:21:57] Speaker 4: going to continue our vibe checks we did with John
[1:21:59] Speaker 4: Kurtz in the Big twelve.
[1:22:00] Speaker 2: Yeah, we're going to do an SEC check in absolutely
[1:22:02] Speaker 2: all right.
[1:22:03] Speaker 3: So that is to follow a little bit later on
[1:22:05] Speaker 3: this week. And then, as I mentioned, it's not the
[1:22:07] Speaker 3: last you've heard of the draft. We will we'll cook
[1:22:11] Speaker 3: up something I think a little bit different that we've
[1:22:13] Speaker 3: never done before. It has been requested in the past.
[1:22:17] Speaker 3: We will talk through some of these tidbits here as
[1:22:20] Speaker 3: we have a little bit more clarity on landing spots
[1:22:22] Speaker 3: and how guys fit in and maybe give you something
[1:22:24] Speaker 3: useful in the process if we do it right, so
[1:22:27] Speaker 3: that is to follow, follow, or subscribe if you have
[1:22:30] Speaker 3: yet to do so so that you do not miss
[1:22:32] Speaker 3: any of the off season episodes, and of course check
[1:22:34] Speaker 3: us out at verballers dot com for that guy over there,
[1:22:38] Speaker 3: Dan Ruberte for myself, Tie Hildebrandt, thank you as always
[1:22:41] Speaker 3: for downloading, for listening, for supporting. We will catch you
[1:22:44] Speaker 3: all on Thursday, and the meantime, stay solid, peace,

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