# Mega March Q&A: Part 1 - Kalen DeBoer's Future, Two-Bid Big 12 & Optimal Tailgating

An episode of [The Solid Verbal College Football Show](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/270037732), 10 Mar 2026, 1 h 11 min.

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The Verballerhood's questions were so good that we had to split our Mega March Q&A episode into two parts. In Part 1, we look at Kalen DeBoer's future with Alabama, the value of playing time as a recruiting tool for non-blue bloods, and the college football moments over the last 25 years that we'd most like to change. Plus, we discuss whether TV networks can force teams to stop canceling marquee matchups, how the Big 12 can become a two-bid league in the CFP era, the conditions for optimal tailgating, and much more. Timecodes: 0:00 - Intro 2:10 - Kalen DeBoer's Future at Alabama 14:17 - The Value of Playing Time 23:47 - Altering CFB History 35:04 - Canceling Marquee Matchups 44:54 - A Two-Bid Big 12 56:54 - Optimal Tailgating Support the show!: https://www.patreon.com/solidverbal See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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[0:49] Speaker 3: everything is good. I'm under the impression that this is
[0:52] Speaker 3: our episode two of DTF Saint Louis, our recap episode.
[0:56] Speaker 1: I don't know if you're current, Tie, I have no
[0:59] Speaker 1: idea if it's a good show.
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[3:48] Speaker 2: Question number one from Chris, will Kaitlin de Boor still
[3:54] Speaker 2: be the head coach at Alabama for their twenty twenty
[3:57] Speaker 2: seven season opener, Dan Rubinstein.
[4:03] Speaker 3: I say yes, just because, Okay, obviously there was some
[4:09] Speaker 3: tumultuous feelings about Kaylin de Boor.
[4:13] Speaker 1: I don't know.
[4:13] Speaker 3: I don't have his buyout figure in front of me. Obviously,
[4:15] Speaker 3: SEC teams don't seem all too hesitant to pay a
[4:18] Speaker 3: big number.
[4:19] Speaker 1: Right, Here's what Alabama.
[4:21] Speaker 3: Here's my snapshot of Alabama before actually prepping for like
[4:25] Speaker 3: our SEC preview is they've got a pretty major quarterback
[4:29] Speaker 3: battle between Keelon Russell and Austin Mack.
[4:32] Speaker 1: I believe they'll be starting a new left tackle.
[4:35] Speaker 3: I think they're searching for new full time inside linebackers.
[4:39] Speaker 3: They're just battles on this team.
[4:42] Speaker 1: They have.
[4:43] Speaker 3: I want to say Florida State once again. This time
[4:45] Speaker 3: it's a return trip to Tuscaloosa for the seminoles and otherwise.
[4:50] Speaker 3: Their schedule is an SEC schedule, and.
[4:54] Speaker 4: I'm sorry, what do we call that here on the show.
[4:56] Speaker 3: I'm not even trying to be joky about Gauntlet. It's
[4:59] Speaker 3: going to be a high quality schedule, Yeah, I think
[5:02] Speaker 3: that's fair to say it is. We don't fully know,
[5:04] Speaker 3: and this will be sort of a theme of this episode,
[5:06] Speaker 3: if you know, people are asking us about teams or
[5:08] Speaker 3: potential teams to do stuff this season. But there looks
[5:12] Speaker 3: to be a lot of upside on this schedule. We'll
[5:15] Speaker 3: see with like Vanderbilt on the road and what their
[5:17] Speaker 3: quarterback situation looks like, if it's what Jared Curtis, the
[5:20] Speaker 3: true freshman who could be starting, and what he looks like.
[5:23] Speaker 3: Nine to ten games into the season, they're at Tennessee.
[5:26] Speaker 3: But in terms of their home road splits, they're not bad.
[5:29] Speaker 3: But more to the point of the Dobor issue, And
[5:32] Speaker 3: I don't know if you feel the same way. I
[5:34] Speaker 3: think it's going to be more of a manner thing
[5:38] Speaker 3: than an actual like obviously the nuts and bolts results
[5:40] Speaker 3: have to be there, they have to show improvement, but
[5:43] Speaker 3: the manner in which Alabama closed out their season, I'm
[5:47] Speaker 3: not even talking about a specific game against Indiana or Georgia,
[5:50] Speaker 3: they just look different. And I don't know if it
[5:53] Speaker 3: was the South Carolina thing that you know that they
[5:55] Speaker 3: look strong against Tennessee, but South Carolina they needed like
[5:58] Speaker 3: three kind of rare occurrent and is to get away
[6:01] Speaker 3: with a win in that game. What do they look
[6:03] Speaker 3: like in the back half of the schedule, Like, are
[6:05] Speaker 3: they built to be a very good team competing for
[6:09] Speaker 3: a playoff spot throughout the season not just the first
[6:13] Speaker 3: five six weeks of the season. Will they lay an
[6:15] Speaker 3: egg like they did against Florida State to start the
[6:17] Speaker 3: season last year? Like, I just think the view of
[6:21] Speaker 3: Kalin de boor Alabama after the twenty twenty sixth season
[6:24] Speaker 3: is Okay, we see the progress. We see that this
[6:29] Speaker 3: is there's a certain bar for Alabama football. And we
[6:32] Speaker 3: see even if he is not hitting like you know,
[6:35] Speaker 3: premium Saban level, we see the ascension and the competitive
[6:40] Speaker 3: nature of this Alabama team. They're in the playoff of
[6:43] Speaker 3: the trajectory, right key word, you know, right totally. I
[6:48] Speaker 3: just think there has to be a confidence that this
[6:50] Speaker 3: is you know, it's it's shooting up and not just
[6:55] Speaker 3: plateauing or up and down. Like you just want to
[6:59] Speaker 3: see the arrow pointed in the right direction, and that
[7:02] Speaker 3: direction has to be in the playoff and competing, or
[7:06] Speaker 3: something catastrophic out of his control had to happen for
[7:10] Speaker 3: Alabama not to be in the playoff.
[7:11] Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the answer here is probably. But to
[7:17] Speaker 2: the point of Chris's question, there is no doubt that
[7:20] Speaker 2: year three for Debor is going to be a very
[7:24] Speaker 2: pivotal year to determine where this thing does go in
[7:28] Speaker 2: terms of trajectory. Y'all remember that contract extension talk we
[7:31] Speaker 2: heard about back in December when the coaching carousel was spinning,
[7:35] Speaker 2: and I believe Debor's name came up somewhat attached to
[7:39] Speaker 2: Penn State or Michigan maybe others. Where did those talks go? Yeah,
[7:45] Speaker 2: haven't heard Hyde nor hair of those right Where did
[7:48] Speaker 2: they go? And so I think it's notable to mention
[7:52] Speaker 2: that those negotiations are still ongoing at last check, and
[7:57] Speaker 2: I take that to mean that Alabama isn't quite sure
[8:00] Speaker 2: either where things stand right now. I think Kaylen de
[8:03] Speaker 2: Borr is one of the top ten coaches in the country.
[8:05] Speaker 4: I don't even think it's a debate.
[8:07] Speaker 2: I also think his biggest problem is not what happens
[8:11] Speaker 2: on the field with the run game. His biggest actual
[8:14] Speaker 2: problem is that he's the guy who took over for
[8:16] Speaker 2: Nick Saban. He's forever going to be a Nick Nick
[8:20] Speaker 2: Saban's shadows. So unless things completely go sideways, does it
[8:25] Speaker 2: make sense to pay a guy who's a really good
[8:28] Speaker 2: coach sixty seventy million dollars? Should just go away and
[8:33] Speaker 2: in effect put yourself back in the exact same situation
[8:36] Speaker 2: where you're again trying to find the next Nick Saban
[8:38] Speaker 2: or whoever, who would you even target At this point,
[8:42] Speaker 2: that is viewed as a clear upgrade over Kaylen. I
[8:46] Speaker 2: don't know who that name is. I'm sure people can
[8:48] Speaker 2: write in and give me their suggestions. I also realize
[8:51] Speaker 2: I am making a very logical argument here. I believe
[8:54] Speaker 2: in a way, yeah for keeping Caylen to Borr. And
[8:57] Speaker 2: this is college football where logic is sort of left
[8:59] Speaker 2: the work right.
[9:02] Speaker 3: And look, this is it's also more and more fair
[9:05] Speaker 3: to judge Alabama and Kaylen de Boor in twenty twenty
[9:10] Speaker 3: six and beyond, because he has turned over this roster.
[9:13] Speaker 3: This is not Kaylen de Boor coaching dudes, he didn't
[9:16] Speaker 3: recruit right between the portal and the last couple recruiting classes.
[9:19] Speaker 4: Thing, No, this is his show.
[9:21] Speaker 3: Austin Mack was a high school recruit of Kaylen de
[9:23] Speaker 3: Bor's at Washington. If he wins the job, Keilon Russell
[9:27] Speaker 3: is fully developed by Kaylen de Bor, for better or
[9:30] Speaker 3: for worse as a college quarterback, and so he can't
[9:34] Speaker 3: with you know, any sort of authority say like wow,
[9:37] Speaker 3: like that they didn't recruit this position well or this
[9:39] Speaker 3: position was left out to dry.
[9:41] Speaker 4: Like this is his team. It's so it's his show.
[9:44] Speaker 3: Whatever, Grace, he was barely extended from Alabama for some
[9:47] Speaker 3: of the results and some of the performances at the
[9:49] Speaker 3: end of last year. He's just not going to have
[9:51] Speaker 3: this year.
[9:52] Speaker 2: So there's no there's the safety net to an extent
[9:55] Speaker 2: I think is gone.
[9:56] Speaker 4: But I will add this back.
[10:01] Speaker 2: Eleven new offensive linemen came in either via high school
[10:04] Speaker 2: recruiting or the transfer portal. It is a front seven
[10:07] Speaker 2: with some real questions, and of course he got the schedule.
[10:11] Speaker 2: The gounlet of the schedule. I think people will fixate
[10:15] Speaker 2: on the running game, at least initially as the thing,
[10:20] Speaker 2: because everyone knew after the year that's the element of
[10:24] Speaker 2: this offense that they need to come up with a
[10:26] Speaker 2: fix four the quarterback is you know, that's kind of
[10:29] Speaker 2: baked into the cake. At this point we realized there's
[10:31] Speaker 2: going to be a transition. But if they can't run
[10:33] Speaker 2: the ball with a bunch of new linemen, a new
[10:36] Speaker 2: offensive line coach, an incoming five star running back in EJ. Crowell,
[10:41] Speaker 2: who was the top running back this past cycle, if
[10:44] Speaker 2: they can't fix that, that I think is going to
[10:46] Speaker 2: get stuck in a lot of cross in the Deep South.
[10:50] Speaker 2: So I'm going to watch that. I think everyone knows
[10:52] Speaker 2: to watch for that. But there are definite reasons why
[10:55] Speaker 2: this Alabama team still could fall short of the playoffs,
[10:59] Speaker 2: not the least of which some of those things that
[11:01] Speaker 2: I just mentioned. I haven't done the full deep dive yet,
[11:03] Speaker 2: but I have started looking at this team a little bit,
[11:06] Speaker 2: and my lean right now is this is somewhere between
[11:08] Speaker 2: eight and four and ten and two this year. So
[11:12] Speaker 2: on paper, that's a top fifteen team, I think, with
[11:15] Speaker 2: a lot of upside as you mentioned, but it's impossible
[11:18] Speaker 2: to predict what's going to happen at quarterback, at running back,
[11:22] Speaker 2: at linebacker. Where they bring in some other blue chip talent.
[11:26] Speaker 2: I just don't know if I'm betting right now. I
[11:28] Speaker 2: think we're talking nine and three, and I think we're
[11:31] Speaker 2: talking about a Bama team that barely misses the playoff
[11:34] Speaker 2: but has a lot of obvious upside moving forward.
[11:37] Speaker 4: Being so there are going to be a bunch of
[11:39] Speaker 4: underclassmen here.
[11:40] Speaker 2: How they handle that internally is in effect the question
[11:44] Speaker 2: that Chris is asking. But I think it's an interesting
[11:47] Speaker 2: question to start pondering, not because I think they should
[11:50] Speaker 2: actually get rid of Deboor, but because I could see
[11:52] Speaker 2: nine and three and no playoff being a thing, but
[11:55] Speaker 2: with obvious upside that could make the conversation a little
[11:58] Speaker 2: bit more complicated.
[12:00] Speaker 3: So we are talking about an Alabama team that made
[12:04] Speaker 3: the playoff after the twenty twenty five season that maybe
[12:09] Speaker 3: sort of kind of had a nudge in right that
[12:12] Speaker 3: maybe there was a pr element to the final you know,
[12:15] Speaker 3: ten yards of the marathon of Alabama season where they
[12:18] Speaker 3: got that little Disney footstool and nudge And if they yeah.
[12:26] Speaker 2: If they don't get that, did you write that doubt
[12:28] Speaker 2: or was that just off the top.
[12:29] Speaker 3: Of that was I don't know, as a footstool a thing?
[12:32] Speaker 3: Is that just like a tiny little, a tiny little
[12:35] Speaker 3: boost to reach up something in the pantry.
[12:37] Speaker 4: I don't know, it sounded good.
[12:38] Speaker 1: Is okay, I'm making sure this is a thing. Yeah, stools,
[12:42] Speaker 1: footstools are real.
[12:42] Speaker 3: Yeah foot those are the little little automan type helper.
[12:48] Speaker 3: But I'm just saying that's not happening every year or
[12:52] Speaker 3: in every sort of simulation of the college football universe,
[12:55] Speaker 3: and some of those Notre Dame is getting in. And
[12:57] Speaker 3: so then we're talking about an Alabama team that has
[13:00] Speaker 3: missed the playoff both years of the Kalindbor era heading
[13:03] Speaker 3: into twenty twenty six. Obviously you know, not there but right,
[13:08] Speaker 3: But we're not talking about an Alabama team that left
[13:10] Speaker 3: no doubt about being a playoff team in twenty twenty six.
[13:14] Speaker 3: So that's just I don't know, an interesting lens through
[13:17] Speaker 3: which I grew the Dabor era. So yeah, that's that's
[13:22] Speaker 3: where I'm at that I think it's he's I think
[13:23] Speaker 3: your word is correct, probably but not obviously, but not crazy. Yeah,
[13:29] Speaker 3: you have to because essentially that whatever it is at
[13:32] Speaker 3: fifty sixty million dollars, I don't know what it goes
[13:34] Speaker 3: down to, but if you're firing him and paying dozens
[13:38] Speaker 3: of millions of dollars. You're essentially treating that as a
[13:42] Speaker 3: right to hire the guy your positive is better.
[13:45] Speaker 4: And who's that guy? Who is that?
[13:47] Speaker 2: That's I think that's the real operative question. By the way,
[13:50] Speaker 2: did you see this thing about Ryan Williams.
[13:53] Speaker 1: No, what happened?
[13:54] Speaker 4: Ryan Williams has switched his number from two to number one? Okay.
[13:58] Speaker 2: He has also now changed his name is no longer
[14:01] Speaker 2: just Ryan Williams. It is now Ryan Coleman Dash Williams.
[14:04] Speaker 4: Okay.
[14:05] Speaker 1: It would have been cooler if he did Brian Williams,
[14:10] Speaker 1: Ryan Coleman Williams.
[14:11] Speaker 2: Okay, RCW RCUB Yeah, okay, I like what it kind
[14:14] Speaker 2: of rolls actually rolls off.
[14:15] Speaker 1: Ryan Coleman Williams.
[14:16] Speaker 4: Great, Let's go to Tyler.
[14:19] Speaker 2: Tyler writes in he wants to know, is the new
[14:22] Speaker 2: era of nil making it easier for non blue blood
[14:26] Speaker 2: programs to land top tier quarterback prospects by offering immediate
[14:32] Speaker 2: playing time Dan. So this is one of those questions
[14:34] Speaker 2: we get these style of questions often where we look
[14:38] Speaker 2: at the landscape of college football, how it is drastically
[14:41] Speaker 2: changed in a very short period of time. And I
[14:45] Speaker 2: think only now are we starting to see the ramifications
[14:47] Speaker 2: of that. Some were obvious from the jump when the
[14:50] Speaker 2: portal and NIL kind of came into existence at the
[14:53] Speaker 2: same time. But some other elements of this, be it
[14:57] Speaker 2: who's making the playoffs? Be it I think some injection
[15:01] Speaker 2: of parody that we have seen around college football, not
[15:03] Speaker 2: full NFL parody, but definitely have seen a little bit
[15:06] Speaker 2: more of it all the way down through talent acquisition
[15:10] Speaker 2: and how you construct a roster, right, And this is
[15:12] Speaker 2: one of those things that I know we have kept
[15:15] Speaker 2: close attention on for a while. Now, what does it
[15:18] Speaker 2: do to the quarterback market? We know what it does
[15:20] Speaker 2: at the top of the quarterback market, guys like Brendan
[15:22] Speaker 2: Sores be getting paid, But what does it do for
[15:24] Speaker 2: everyone else, both coming out of high school and or leaving.
[15:28] Speaker 4: Their current program to go somewhere else.
[15:30] Speaker 2: So his question is, again, does it make it easier
[15:34] Speaker 2: NIL for non blue blood programs to land top tier
[15:37] Speaker 2: quarterback prospects by offering immediate playing time.
[15:41] Speaker 4: What do you think?
[15:41] Speaker 3: So, what would the examples be in your mind of
[15:44] Speaker 3: how this has Like I just mentioned Jared Curtis, who
[15:47] Speaker 3: was committed to Georgia, decommitted, recommitted to Georgia, decommitted, committed
[15:51] Speaker 3: to Vanderbilt. His I think he's from Nashville, so that
[15:54] Speaker 3: was not like a weird implication. I did have to
[15:56] Speaker 3: clear my throat from Nashville and was able to step
[16:01] Speaker 3: in because there's a vacancy at quarterback for the doors. Obviously,
[16:06] Speaker 3: Vanderbilt not a blue blood successful program. So you're talking
[16:11] Speaker 3: about maybe last year at Cal, Jks came in and
[16:15] Speaker 3: had immediate playing time, right, and he was he ascended
[16:19] Speaker 3: to being a blue chip quarterback who was sort of
[16:21] Speaker 3: off of everybody's radars as a prospect and then shut up,
[16:26] Speaker 3: I want to say, after a lad eleven. And even
[16:29] Speaker 3: though he left Cal for Oregon briefly, he came back
[16:32] Speaker 3: to Cal and started as a true freshman. So it's
[16:35] Speaker 3: a case by case situation that, yes, I mean, one,
[16:40] Speaker 3: you have to have the money, and it's easier to
[16:43] Speaker 3: have money as a hugely successful program. Two, if you
[16:47] Speaker 3: have a bunch of money to pay a quarterback, a
[16:49] Speaker 3: lot of these schools are going to say, well, I'm
[16:50] Speaker 3: just going to pay Brendan Soresby instead of going after
[16:54] Speaker 3: a five star out of high school and pay him
[16:56] Speaker 3: a lot of money, because that's just closer to a
[16:59] Speaker 3: sure thing, and so then if you're going to say, Okay,
[17:04] Speaker 3: I'm a Virginia, I'm a pit I'm a Mississippi State,
[17:09] Speaker 3: I'm a Illinois or whatever, I still think most of
[17:12] Speaker 3: these places are still going to opt for the upside
[17:15] Speaker 3: of a transfer who has shown upside playing college football
[17:19] Speaker 3: rather than say, I'm going to throw all my money
[17:21] Speaker 3: at like the number eleven quarterback coming out of high school.
[17:24] Speaker 3: I still think that's going to be the case because
[17:26] Speaker 3: that's what we've seen that's a lot of these schools do.
[17:29] Speaker 1: Right.
[17:29] Speaker 3: TCU went after Jaden Craig from Harvard. Illinois went after
[17:33] Speaker 3: who's their new quarterback, Katonhauser YEP. So they're going after
[17:37] Speaker 3: guys that they're like, Okay, I know what he's like,
[17:39] Speaker 3: and he's twenty, so I feel like his floor is
[17:42] Speaker 3: going to be so much higher because this is also
[17:44] Speaker 3: like a risk mitigation thing. So I still think we're
[17:48] Speaker 3: going to see a lot of those high level high
[17:50] Speaker 3: school prospects go to the places that are more obviously
[17:54] Speaker 3: capable of developing them into NFL guys who also might
[17:58] Speaker 3: recruit over them, which we've also said, sure, but don't.
[18:01] Speaker 3: I still don't think you're going to see mid tier
[18:05] Speaker 3: bowl level team say yeah, we're going to pay one
[18:08] Speaker 3: point eight million dollars for the number, like to bring
[18:11] Speaker 3: in Faison Brandon to NC State.
[18:13] Speaker 1: Right.
[18:14] Speaker 3: Also, I don't think a lot of those guys are
[18:17] Speaker 3: going to want to go to places that don't have
[18:19] Speaker 3: that track record well end developing quarterback.
[18:21] Speaker 4: That's my point. Yeah, that is my point.
[18:24] Speaker 2: And so my answer to Tyler's question is yes, but
[18:28] Speaker 2: not the way he asked the question. All Right, it
[18:31] Speaker 2: might be marginally easier to pluck a highly talented guy
[18:37] Speaker 2: from high school now because there's a money aspect to it,
[18:41] Speaker 2: and because you can offer playing time, it may be
[18:44] Speaker 2: marginally easier. And we have seen a couple examples of that.
[18:47] Speaker 2: You mentioned Jared Curtis, Keshan Henderson was the top player,
[18:51] Speaker 2: he's local to Texas, he stayed in the Houston areas.
[18:54] Speaker 4: Signed with Houston.
[18:55] Speaker 2: Yeah, Malik Washington, we saw a year ago, right, highly
[18:58] Speaker 2: towed a guy in Maryland, stayed home with Maryland, started
[19:02] Speaker 2: as a true freshman.
[19:03] Speaker 3: But the Houston thing is not expected to be a
[19:05] Speaker 3: quarterback battle with Connor Wigman this season. No play some No,
[19:08] Speaker 3: it's not.
[19:09] Speaker 2: But I'm saying we have some examples of guys who
[19:12] Speaker 2: want to stay close to home. Maybe there's a poll there,
[19:15] Speaker 2: maybe the money, maybe the possibility of playing time, you know,
[19:18] Speaker 2: in the short term or medium term, that type of
[19:21] Speaker 2: thing can help.
[19:22] Speaker 4: For sure. I still think I'm with you.
[19:25] Speaker 2: Most of the top guys want to go somewhere bigger,
[19:28] Speaker 2: where they can get a little bit more prestige, maybe
[19:29] Speaker 2: get a little bit more dope, and it's less about
[19:32] Speaker 2: the playing time Initially. Where it's definitely easier is plucking
[19:36] Speaker 2: somebody off of a depth chart. And I use the
[19:39] Speaker 2: Kenny Minsche example totally for Notre Dame, right. Kenny Minshee
[19:42] Speaker 2: was a four star, initially went to Nebraska as a transfer,
[19:47] Speaker 2: undid that commitment, and is now going to be the
[19:49] Speaker 2: starting quarterback presumably at Kentucky. That aspect of it is
[19:53] Speaker 2: way easier for non blue blood programs, and there are
[19:56] Speaker 2: countless examples of that going on around college football. That
[19:59] Speaker 2: happens every cycle. For all we know, we could see
[20:02] Speaker 2: some blind transfers here after springball where it happens again.
[20:06] Speaker 2: So I think the the playing time thing is very
[20:10] Speaker 2: real for guys who are transferring off of let's say
[20:13] Speaker 2: a very crowded depth chart and into some situation where
[20:16] Speaker 2: they can get immediate snaps. I don't know if it's
[20:19] Speaker 2: fully reached the high school level yet, because I still
[20:22] Speaker 2: think those guys want to go somewhere big.
[20:24] Speaker 3: Also, there's a reason sometimes and in some cases why
[20:30] Speaker 3: the and I think blue blood definitionally a word. Possibly,
[20:34] Speaker 3: I think that's probably not. There's a reason why. And
[20:39] Speaker 3: blue blood has come to mean like powers of this
[20:41] Speaker 3: like current powers of the sport, which is not the
[20:43] Speaker 3: definition of blue blood, right, it's old money, old success.
[20:48] Speaker 3: But if we're talking about the powers, the current you know,
[20:51] Speaker 3: decade ten to fifteen year powers of the sport, and
[20:54] Speaker 3: the not as much of power, like we saw this
[20:58] Speaker 3: similar thing happen with or like something in this vein
[21:02] Speaker 3: with Dylan Royola Nebraska. Nebraska not a great recent history
[21:06] Speaker 3: of developing quarterbacks. Dylan Royola has a family connection, not
[21:10] Speaker 3: a geographic connection, but a family connection to Nebraska. Goes
[21:14] Speaker 3: there to try and raise the floor, right and say like, Okay,
[21:19] Speaker 3: we're going to take Nebraska and we're going to build
[21:21] Speaker 3: something around me, which I think is an ambitious way
[21:24] Speaker 3: of thinking.
[21:24] Speaker 1: And I don't I don't.
[21:25] Speaker 3: I never try to blame anybody for taking a big swing, right,
[21:28] Speaker 3: So Nebraska ponies up. He comes in, He's able to
[21:32] Speaker 3: go to a place that in this millennia or whatever
[21:35] Speaker 3: has not been a huge five star quarterback destination. And
[21:40] Speaker 3: he goes there and he experiences I'm positive some of
[21:44] Speaker 3: it is his fault, and I'm positive some of it
[21:46] Speaker 3: is Nebraska's fault, but he experiences less than stellar wide
[21:50] Speaker 3: receiver play, less than stellar offensive line play, up and
[21:53] Speaker 3: down defenses carrying up their end of the bargain, and
[21:57] Speaker 3: you sort of understand why perhaps somebody with his talent
[22:01] Speaker 3: and I don't know if he'll ever be a good
[22:02] Speaker 3: college quarterback consistently, but you can understand why a quarterback
[22:06] Speaker 3: that is regarded like he was might be hesitant to
[22:09] Speaker 3: go to a school like that where he's not surrounded
[22:12] Speaker 3: by the highest track record of quarterback drafting, coaching, or development.
[22:19] Speaker 3: As burrily English once again, Yeah, I'm trying to.
[22:22] Speaker 1: Be like trying of diblematic here.
[22:23] Speaker 4: It's a generational run, thank you very much.
[22:26] Speaker 3: I'm trying to be diplomatic here that like, there's just
[22:29] Speaker 3: more work to do at a lot of those places,
[22:31] Speaker 3: and you're not going to be able to develop as
[22:33] Speaker 3: cleanly in a lot of those places, like we saw
[22:35] Speaker 3: with Dante Moore in UCLA immediate playing time deficiencies at UCLA,
[22:40] Speaker 3: and then he goes to Oregon, sits out a year
[22:42] Speaker 3: and is developed more thoroughly and is given time to
[22:46] Speaker 3: grow into a better quarterback. So yes, in theory, which
[22:50] Speaker 3: is what you said, but in practice you have different
[22:55] Speaker 3: challenges to deal with.
[22:56] Speaker 2: I think definitionally is a word, by the way, Yes,
[23:00] Speaker 2: it means by definition in a manner that relates to
[23:03] Speaker 2: the definition of a turn. I don't know what that
[23:05] Speaker 2: definition of definitionally means, but Gemini at.
[23:09] Speaker 4: Least if you, you know, take out the ground. So
[23:11] Speaker 4: I don't. But the AI overview here on the Googles
[23:14] Speaker 4: is telling me that it is.
[23:15] Speaker 2: Well is it so hard for you to go to
[23:17] Speaker 2: Miriam Webster? Well, is that's so difficult for you? I
[23:20] Speaker 2: just type I'm in the middle of the show, Dan
[23:24] Speaker 2: okaysking over here.
[23:27] Speaker 3: Meaning okay, what's the word for definitionally? But less fake
[23:33] Speaker 3: sounding is the first see on Reddit. Yeah, yeah, it
[23:38] Speaker 3: does it. Miriam Webster does say definitional and definitionally are words,
[23:43] Speaker 3: So I feel got good about that.
[23:45] Speaker 2: Thank you Tyler for that wonderful question. I want to
[23:48] Speaker 2: go to this question from Jeff.
[23:51] Speaker 4: I love this question, Dan Okay.
[23:54] Speaker 2: I spent the entirety of my shower earlier today thinking
[23:57] Speaker 2: about this question. Jeff wants to know if you could
[24:02] Speaker 2: alter one thing in college football history since the year
[24:06] Speaker 2: two thousand, what would it be end?
[24:10] Speaker 4: Why?
[24:12] Speaker 2: One thing since the year of Our Lord two thousand.
[24:17] Speaker 3: I am making sure Michael Dyer's elbow goes through the turf, selfishly,
[24:27] Speaker 3: leaving no doubt he's got the muddiest, grassiest elbow in
[24:32] Speaker 3: all of where was that Arizona, in all of the
[24:37] Speaker 3: Glendale whatever, University of Phoenix stadium at the time. That's
[24:41] Speaker 3: my one as an organ fan. My two as an
[24:44] Speaker 3: orgon fan is I'm somehow giving Dennis Dixon extra ACL
[24:49] Speaker 3: strengthening in August before the two thousand and seven season.
[24:52] Speaker 3: I don't know if that would actually help. My medical
[24:54] Speaker 3: knowledge is quite low. I don't know did they have
[24:58] Speaker 3: that technology. I don't know how you can strengthen a ligament,
[25:01] Speaker 3: but I'm sure you can. You can, you know, do
[25:03] Speaker 3: load in eccentric training or something like that, and that'll
[25:07] Speaker 3: help out. Otherwise as a sport, you know, something that
[25:11] Speaker 3: I think would have improved college football. If I could
[25:13] Speaker 3: go change any one thing, an easy answer would be
[25:16] Speaker 3: like not letting the Longhorn Network happen, because that is
[25:19] Speaker 3: one of the things and one of the reasons why
[25:21] Speaker 3: we have had so much realignment. I kind of think
[25:25] Speaker 3: it's inevitable when you get so much money involved in
[25:27] Speaker 3: a sport that certain players and programs and players by players,
[25:32] Speaker 3: I mean programs and people with stakes here are going
[25:35] Speaker 3: to want more of it than others that they think
[25:37] Speaker 3: that they've earned and the others haven't. Sure, So I
[25:41] Speaker 3: kind of think realignment because we've always had realignment in
[25:45] Speaker 3: the sport. We've always had independence, like Penn State, you know,
[25:48] Speaker 3: join a conference. We've always had even before the Longhorn Network,
[25:51] Speaker 3: like the Big East was up and down in football,
[25:54] Speaker 3: like we've We've just had a lot of change, Florida
[25:56] Speaker 3: State joining the ACC that you know, realignment didn't started
[26:00] Speaker 3: two thousand and nine or whatever, So that would have
[26:04] Speaker 3: been the easy thing to say, but I think we
[26:06] Speaker 3: still would have gotten you know, the Texas schools and
[26:08] Speaker 3: the Oklahoma schools. Then going to the Pac ten twelve.
[26:11] Speaker 2: Well, now that might have been my more I'm afraid, yeah.
[26:15] Speaker 4: That if you keep going. You're gonna steal my thunder
[26:17] Speaker 4: with this.
[26:18] Speaker 3: Sorry sorry, sorry, that would have been from a pure
[26:20] Speaker 3: entertainment standpoint, that shifts a lot of the weight of
[26:24] Speaker 3: the sport westward, which, just given where I'm from and
[26:28] Speaker 3: where my interests in history with the sport lie, that
[26:31] Speaker 3: might be my answer, but that that realigns the sport similarly,
[26:37] Speaker 3: just in terms of scope, but just in a different way.
[26:41] Speaker 3: So I think the personal one is Michael Dyer's muddy
[26:46] Speaker 3: grassy elbow, and then the big picture one. You know,
[26:52] Speaker 3: there's always what ifs with recruiting, and you know, this
[26:55] Speaker 3: coach accepted this job, but then last second, you know,
[26:58] Speaker 3: decided not to, and rich Rod and Bama and all
[27:00] Speaker 3: you know, with their stories like that all over the place.
[27:04] Speaker 3: I'm going to say those four schools moving westward, just
[27:07] Speaker 3: because that would be a fun exercise to see where
[27:11] Speaker 3: the sport would have you know, what the SEC would
[27:13] Speaker 3: have done in terms of growing itself, what the Big
[27:15] Speaker 3: ten would have done in terms of an answer that's
[27:18] Speaker 3: probably just out of curiosity, my what.
[27:20] Speaker 4: If do you remember? Do you remember all of the
[27:27] Speaker 4: just hype?
[27:30] Speaker 2: I don't know what the right word is. I can't
[27:32] Speaker 2: even put it into words. I remember being at the
[27:35] Speaker 2: Mysterious day Job reading at the time anybody who posted
[27:41] Speaker 2: about conference re alignment. And I remember East Coast Elliott
[27:44] Speaker 2: at the time long timer on the show, East Coast
[27:46] Speaker 2: Elliott sending links around then via our corporate email addresses
[27:52] Speaker 2: to remember Frank the Tank talking about conference re alignment.
[27:57] Speaker 2: I remember how this kind of captured the imagining.
[28:01] Speaker 4: And then it went away. It went away.
[28:03] Speaker 2: I believe that was in twenty ten, just sort of
[28:06] Speaker 2: went away. It didn't materialize, obviously, Texas Oklahoma end up
[28:09] Speaker 2: now in the SEC.
[28:12] Speaker 4: I remember those days.
[28:13] Speaker 2: I don't think of them necessarily in a positive light,
[28:18] Speaker 2: but I just remember it being the biggest conversation point
[28:22] Speaker 2: back in the early days of our show, and just
[28:25] Speaker 2: as a college football fan looking to kill time on
[28:27] Speaker 2: the internet during work hours. M hm, that was a
[28:30] Speaker 2: very big deal my answer, and I was worried you
[28:33] Speaker 2: were going to go here with it.
[28:35] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[28:35] Speaker 3: If I had won America's Next Great Sports Writer in
[28:38] Speaker 3: two thousand and six.
[28:39] Speaker 4: We know you didn't we know that was me.
[28:41] Speaker 1: I was an honorable mention ty kit.
[28:43] Speaker 4: I mean, listen, nobody's perfect.
[28:44] Speaker 2: Yeah, I had Larry Scott being named the PAC twelve
[28:48] Speaker 2: commissioner circa two thousand and nine.
[28:54] Speaker 1: Okay, it's a pretty good answer.
[28:56] Speaker 2: I like that because you'll remember, initially he got I
[29:00] Speaker 2: praise because he landed a TV contract, but then after
[29:03] Speaker 2: that it was sort of a masterclass in mismanagement, and
[29:08] Speaker 2: I believe he kind of enriched himself with maybe the
[29:10] Speaker 2: highest conference commissioner's salary, something in the neighborhood of five
[29:14] Speaker 2: million dollars. In addition to launching the PAC twelve network,
[29:18] Speaker 2: which didn't really work good programming, didn't really work financially speaking,
[29:24] Speaker 2: moved the entire conference to very expensive office space in
[29:27] Speaker 2: San Francisco, bleeding the conference of money, despite the fact
[29:32] Speaker 2: that there was going to be this looming threat of
[29:35] Speaker 2: what was to come next. And so Larry Scott is
[29:38] Speaker 2: the commissioner for what twelve years. They eventually forced him
[29:40] Speaker 2: out in twenty twenty one, and that's when they turn
[29:43] Speaker 2: it over to George Klievkoff, who I believe I just
[29:46] Speaker 2: pronounced his last name correctly for the first time ever. Right,
[29:49] Speaker 2: the fact that we've been talking about this guy on
[29:52] Speaker 2: and off for the last couple of years, he was
[29:55] Speaker 2: putting a no in situation a to try and clean
[29:58] Speaker 2: up Larry Scott's best and be to try and land
[30:01] Speaker 2: some sort of media rights deal that would keep the
[30:03] Speaker 2: conference together. And this is the other aspect of this
[30:07] Speaker 2: that I need to mention, because you may recall, at
[30:11] Speaker 2: least as the story goes via public reporting, there was
[30:16] Speaker 2: an offer from ESPN in the neighborhood of thirty million
[30:20] Speaker 2: dollars per school that would have kept the PAC twelve together,
[30:23] Speaker 2: would have extended METIA rights. And perhaps we're not in
[30:26] Speaker 2: this situation we're in now where the conference dissolved that
[30:29] Speaker 2: is now being rebuilt in a much different image A
[30:32] Speaker 2: big twelve ish number, correct, Yeah, But then I believe
[30:38] Speaker 2: it was the President of Utah, via a professor that
[30:42] Speaker 2: he worked with who I've never actually seemed named anywhere. Yeah,
[30:46] Speaker 2: but an unnamed professor took a fifty million dollar figure
[30:52] Speaker 2: to the President of Utah who worked that one back
[30:55] Speaker 2: up the chain. It was believed at the time that
[30:58] Speaker 2: George Kliefkoff was going to take that number, give it
[31:01] Speaker 2: to ESPN and use it as something of a bargaining chip,
[31:03] Speaker 2: hopefully to meet in the middle, maybe get to a
[31:06] Speaker 2: forty million dollar number, at which point it would have
[31:09] Speaker 2: been Hey, We're all good, let's sign the deal. Let's
[31:11] Speaker 2: move on with our lives. Pack twelve lives.
[31:15] Speaker 1: Well maybe maybe not, maybe maybe not, but instead, well,
[31:20] Speaker 1: because look, you had Colorado looking already, you had people looking.
[31:24] Speaker 4: But here here's where I'm going with this.
[31:26] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[31:26] Speaker 2: Instead, it is widely believed that there was some sort
[31:29] Speaker 2: of miscommunication.
[31:31] Speaker 3: And by the way, USC and UCLA were gone anyway,
[31:33] Speaker 3: so it's not even the PAC twelve. I mean, it's
[31:35] Speaker 3: called the PAC twelve, so you're dealing with ten teams
[31:36] Speaker 3: and maybe like adding Boise in San Diego State exactly, yeah, correct, correct, correct, yeah,
[31:42] Speaker 3: but it was intended to be used as more of
[31:45] Speaker 3: a bargaining chip. Instead it was however it was conveyed,
[31:50] Speaker 3: it was communicated more as like a take it or
[31:52] Speaker 3: leave it type of situation, and ESPN left it, and
[31:56] Speaker 3: that put us among other things. It wasn't just solely
[31:59] Speaker 3: this among other things, that weird comedy of airrors put
[32:04] Speaker 3: us in this situation we're in now where to many
[32:06] Speaker 3: people college football is unrecognizable mm hm. And so if
[32:10] Speaker 3: I could undo one thing, even though I am not
[32:14] Speaker 3: from the West coast, even though I do not have
[32:17] Speaker 3: any West Coast rooting interests.
[32:20] Speaker 4: That is the one thing.
[32:21] Speaker 2: That people like to email in about time and again
[32:24] Speaker 2: as the moment where college football felt very different to them.
[32:27] Speaker 2: It's not an al right, it's not the transfer portal.
[32:30] Speaker 2: And those things in their own right have made college
[32:33] Speaker 2: football feel very different than it was when we were
[32:35] Speaker 2: growing up. But this thing, this thing here, the PAC
[32:39] Speaker 2: twelve going the way of the dinosaur. That was the
[32:43] Speaker 2: thing that really put a lot of people off. So
[32:45] Speaker 2: if I could undo one thing, let's get rid of
[32:47] Speaker 2: Larry Scott. Let's get rid of that whole fiasco, and
[32:50] Speaker 2: hopefully the PAC twelve is still intact.
[32:53] Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the Larry Scott thing is probably bigger.
[32:55] Speaker 3: I mean, there's a whole bunch of factors here, you
[32:57] Speaker 3: know that just USC and UCLA, and gravity of the
[33:00] Speaker 3: LA schools not necessarily especially UCLA holding up their end
[33:04] Speaker 3: of the bargain in terms of being some sort of
[33:06] Speaker 3: national a consistent national conversation team, USC being not a
[33:10] Speaker 3: you know, losing their spot as a power in the sport,
[33:12] Speaker 3: so the gravity was not as heavy. Moving towards the
[33:15] Speaker 3: West coast, you know, Washington had a couple of terrific years.
[33:18] Speaker 3: Oregon obviously has been strong but USC not holding up
[33:21] Speaker 3: their end of the bargain. And then so if you
[33:22] Speaker 3: get to a Pac ten situation with USC and UCLA
[33:25] Speaker 3: already leaving because it's assured that they're going to make
[33:27] Speaker 3: a lot more money as a Big ten team.
[33:29] Speaker 1: Than they are as a CLA needs that money in twelve.
[33:32] Speaker 4: They need, they need the money.
[33:33] Speaker 1: They both do.
[33:33] Speaker 3: It was USC leading the way. I don't think Dan
[33:37] Speaker 3: Lanning's at Oregon anymore.
[33:39] Speaker 4: No.
[33:39] Speaker 3: I think Dan Lanning's at Oregon and has stayed at
[33:41] Speaker 3: Oregon because Oregon is playing in a much bigger conference
[33:45] Speaker 3: than what that Pack ten would have looked like. I
[33:47] Speaker 3: don't think he's as vocal about not wanting to leave
[33:49] Speaker 3: Oregon ever. I think he's, you know, the head coached
[33:53] Speaker 3: Alabama or something. Not not to say that he's not
[33:55] Speaker 3: a loyal dude and not a good dude as it
[33:57] Speaker 3: relates to his loyalty to Oregon. But he has said
[34:01] Speaker 3: in the past that this is a big deal for
[34:03] Speaker 3: Oregon with the ability to play those much bigger games nationally,
[34:07] Speaker 3: right to play in Michigan Stadium, to play in the shoe,
[34:10] Speaker 3: to play in a white out at Beaver Stadium. It's
[34:12] Speaker 3: just a different level. As much as I like to
[34:14] Speaker 3: be romantic about playing in Martin Stadium or playing at
[34:17] Speaker 3: sun Devil Stadium, it's a different level, and that elevates
[34:20] Speaker 3: Oregon's place in the sport to play in the Big ten.
[34:23] Speaker 3: And so I don't know if Oregon's looking to leave
[34:26] Speaker 3: a PAC ten, but a school like Oregon Washington, having
[34:31] Speaker 3: been to the playoff a couple times, I don't think
[34:33] Speaker 3: they're satisfied with a less than stellar deal when they
[34:38] Speaker 3: have proven themselves on the national level.
[34:40] Speaker 2: Yeah, and look, as you said, I did a quick
[34:44] Speaker 2: speed run of the history of the PAC twelve, the
[34:46] Speaker 2: demise of the pack call. There's obviously a lot more
[34:49] Speaker 2: to it, but that's history as I remember it, and
[34:53] Speaker 2: as it has been told and retold to us many
[34:56] Speaker 2: times over by people who email in saying that the
[34:58] Speaker 2: sport feels different to them.
[35:00] Speaker 4: I would change that answer the question.
[35:02] Speaker 1: Okay, fair enough, Let's.
[35:04] Speaker 2: Go to this question from Daniel. Will TV networks eventually
[35:10] Speaker 2: stop Power four teams from canceling marquee matchups with other
[35:14] Speaker 2: Power four teams?
[35:15] Speaker 1: Dan, it's a good question.
[35:19] Speaker 3: I mean, I think conferences and TV networks are kind
[35:22] Speaker 3: of scared to admit who holds the power in that
[35:26] Speaker 3: much of a direct way that like a conference would
[35:28] Speaker 3: be like, well, we're playing this game because you know,
[35:31] Speaker 3: Disney or News Corp Or Fox ABC whatever told us that,
[35:35] Speaker 3: you know, we have to play these kinds of games
[35:37] Speaker 3: like they don't want to fully give up the game
[35:40] Speaker 3: like that.
[35:40] Speaker 1: I don't think publicly.
[35:45] Speaker 3: Stop Power four teams from canceling those matchups.
[35:48] Speaker 1: I don't think so.
[35:48] Speaker 3: I think they will just incentivize them to play them.
[35:51] Speaker 3: Whether it's a money thing, whether it's a you know,
[35:54] Speaker 3: playing on a specific stage or whatever it is. I
[35:58] Speaker 3: think they'll incentivize them. And it's also they will the conferences,
[36:03] Speaker 3: the TV networks, whatever, will incentivize you know, whoever is
[36:08] Speaker 3: deciding what the playoff is going to be, to expand
[36:11] Speaker 3: the playoff to the point sure where these schools will
[36:14] Speaker 3: not want to cancel them because you can everybody from
[36:18] Speaker 3: the SEC or Big ten will always get in at
[36:21] Speaker 3: nine and three.
[36:22] Speaker 4: That's the answer I see.
[36:23] Speaker 2: I think I don't think they'll be able to stop them,
[36:26] Speaker 2: but in canceling, No, I don't think they'll stop them
[36:29] Speaker 2: from canceling. I think they're going to expand the playoff
[36:33] Speaker 2: so that it doesn't matter as much. If you schedule,
[36:36] Speaker 2: you know, a game against Ohio State in Week four,
[36:40] Speaker 2: a loss isn't going to hurt you because the playoff
[36:42] Speaker 2: field has like twenty two teams in it, whatever that
[36:44] Speaker 2: number is going to end up being. I'm not saying
[36:46] Speaker 2: I'm arguing for that. I'm not, but I think that's
[36:50] Speaker 2: probably where the conversation heads next. Obviously, if you're a
[36:53] Speaker 2: TV network, you want to put the most marque matchups
[36:55] Speaker 2: on every week. And you know, we had that conversation
[37:00] Speaker 2: Scott doctor Man from The Athletic who like go back
[37:03] Speaker 2: to the beginning of last season read his report on
[37:06] Speaker 2: how the networks figure out when games are played and
[37:09] Speaker 2: who's got which games on which networks. I mean, that
[37:12] Speaker 2: aspect of things is something that I think you and
[37:14] Speaker 2: I want to focus on here in the offseason, because
[37:16] Speaker 2: we're very interested in how all of that comes to fruition.
[37:20] Speaker 2: So that's definitely an area of interest for us, and
[37:23] Speaker 2: certainly in an area of interest when it comes to
[37:25] Speaker 2: things like this big market matchups, how do they get
[37:28] Speaker 2: on TV?
[37:28] Speaker 4: To begin with?
[37:30] Speaker 2: There is clearly always going to be an appetite to
[37:32] Speaker 2: have more games like that, and so the only way
[37:35] Speaker 2: that you can continue scheduling them without penalizing teams further
[37:40] Speaker 2: if they take a loss. Is a what they did
[37:44] Speaker 2: last year, which is try to de emphasize the value
[37:48] Speaker 2: of a loss in a marquee game when it comes
[37:50] Speaker 2: down to who gets into the playoff and who doesn't,
[37:54] Speaker 2: and then be expand the playoffs.
[37:56] Speaker 4: So maybe it doesn't matter as much at all. I
[37:58] Speaker 4: think that's where it's headed.
[38:00] Speaker 3: I think, well, the other thing too, is and again
[38:02] Speaker 3: this isn't for the TV networks to do per se.
[38:05] Speaker 3: But since everybody's sort of.
[38:07] Speaker 1: Incahoots, in my opinion, conspiracy.
[38:12] Speaker 3: Of course, here's my tinfoil hat. Now, now this isn't
[38:13] Speaker 3: really a conspiracy thing is will we get to the
[38:17] Speaker 3: point where schools like Indiana and Texas Tech have their
[38:23] Speaker 3: non conference schedules magnified and get punished if they're not
[38:27] Speaker 3: winning a conference and they're an at large team that
[38:30] Speaker 3: an eleven and one team with Indiana's non conference or
[38:33] Speaker 3: Texas Tech non conference is suddenly below a ten and
[38:37] Speaker 3: two or nine to three team who scheduled Michigan or
[38:41] Speaker 3: Oklahoma or Texas or Ohio State or Texas A and
[38:44] Speaker 3: m or Arizona State. Take your pick. Of like a
[38:47] Speaker 3: strong power for school rather than Old Dominion or Southern
[38:52] Speaker 3: or Abilene Christian, any of those types of schools which
[38:55] Speaker 3: you will see on some of those schedules. Will we
[38:57] Speaker 3: get to the point where you are punished? And look,
[39:00] Speaker 3: this is all a product of When Indiana's ad booked
[39:04] Speaker 3: this schedule, they were saying, how do we schedule to
[39:07] Speaker 3: get to seventy five? When Texas text ad was like,
[39:10] Speaker 3: how do we get to eight wins? That would be
[39:13] Speaker 3: super cool if we got to eight wins. Let's schedule
[39:15] Speaker 3: three wins in September. They didn't necessarily anticipate these schools
[39:20] Speaker 3: hiring and spending and hiring and spending their way too,
[39:25] Speaker 3: and portaling and everything that has gone into the success
[39:27] Speaker 3: of schools like this, which, by the way, those teams
[39:30] Speaker 3: were excellent this past year regardless of who they played.
[39:34] Speaker 3: But it's a seeding thing. It's a Okay, you're ten
[39:37] Speaker 3: and two and they're ten and two. They scheduled really good,
[39:42] Speaker 3: really well in September.
[39:43] Speaker 1: You didn't.
[39:44] Speaker 3: So that's the tiebreaker. And we've seen certain situations throughout
[39:49] Speaker 3: the history of college football and the BCS era, when
[39:51] Speaker 3: Auburn was left out. You go back and look at
[39:53] Speaker 3: their non conference versus like us c's non conference that year,
[39:56] Speaker 3: Like we've seen teams punished when it's on the margin,
[40:00] Speaker 3: pretty similar. I just if we're expanding the playoff, it's
[40:04] Speaker 3: ultimately not going to matter. And the other point of
[40:06] Speaker 3: this too, I would say, And I just want to
[40:08] Speaker 3: make sure this is known. I think these huge schools
[40:11] Speaker 3: love these matchups, like I think they want to play
[40:14] Speaker 3: these games. They just don't want to be punished for
[40:16] Speaker 3: playing these games per se, or you know, claiming they're
[40:19] Speaker 3: being punished for playing these games when you lose other
[40:22] Speaker 3: winnable games. They love getting the attention of playing against
[40:28] Speaker 3: a high profile opponent. They love the ability to say,
[40:32] Speaker 3: we're Texas, so of course we're playing in this kind
[40:34] Speaker 3: of game. We're Notre Dame, We're LSU where Wisconsin whatever.
[40:38] Speaker 3: They love playing on stages like this because it's great
[40:42] Speaker 3: for the school to receive that kind of attention on sure, CBS, ABC, NBC, Fox, whatever.
[40:49] Speaker 3: It's great for the school, it's great for recruiting, it's
[40:51] Speaker 3: great for exposure, it's great to reinforce your perceived brand value,
[40:56] Speaker 3: like these are great or spots for these places.
[41:00] Speaker 2: Actually, Like I had John Kurtz on the show Right
[41:03] Speaker 2: a couple weeks ago, and one of his talking points
[41:06] Speaker 2: on his channel Open for Business is how the BYU
[41:09] Speaker 2: Notre Dame game coming up this year is perhaps the
[41:12] Speaker 2: biggest game in the entire.
[41:14] Speaker 4: Big twelve schedule.
[41:15] Speaker 1: Yes, and totally his point.
[41:17] Speaker 2: I think is something you're speaking to, which is the
[41:21] Speaker 2: notoriety that a conference that a team gets from playing
[41:23] Speaker 2: a big matchup shouldn't be undervalued.
[41:27] Speaker 1: Right.
[41:27] Speaker 2: If BAU were to win that game, clearly it gives
[41:30] Speaker 2: their playoff case a big boost. Clearly it gives the
[41:33] Speaker 2: conference a bit of a boost as well, just being
[41:36] Speaker 2: in a matchup like that against a team that I
[41:38] Speaker 2: think we would agree, and Notre Dame is a contender
[41:41] Speaker 2: going into the twenty twenty six season. If nothing more,
[41:44] Speaker 2: a game featuring Notre Dame is always going to draw ratings.
[41:47] Speaker 2: Having those games on your schedule, you know, that's not
[41:51] Speaker 2: necessarily a net loss. Even if you lose, if you
[41:55] Speaker 2: ecquit yourself, well, it still stands for something, and it
[41:59] Speaker 2: should stand for something in this era of college football.
[42:01] Speaker 2: So I am with you. I obviously would like to
[42:04] Speaker 2: see more matchups like this. I am with the coaches
[42:07] Speaker 2: who would like to play in more matchups like this
[42:09] Speaker 2: to give themselves, if nothing more, a pretty good smoke
[42:12] Speaker 2: test see how the team acquits itself against better competition.
[42:16] Speaker 2: I hope it doesn't get to a point where we
[42:19] Speaker 2: see more of these matchups falling by the wayside because
[42:22] Speaker 2: it doesn't help the playoff case. But if there are
[42:26] Speaker 2: things that can be done short of expanding the playoff
[42:29] Speaker 2: to make sure that we still get them, I'd be
[42:31] Speaker 2: in favor of that.
[42:32] Speaker 3: Yeah, the only thing I would sort of shift around.
[42:34] Speaker 3: And we did get a question and maybe this is
[42:36] Speaker 3: a part B of the of the question here about
[42:38] Speaker 3: like could the Big twelve? Is there a world in
[42:41] Speaker 3: which the Big Twelve gets two bids the playoffs? R? Yes,
[42:45] Speaker 3: But that world I think is based around the point
[42:48] Speaker 3: you're making and the reason why that game is so huge.
[42:51] Speaker 3: And I do think it's tough to say like, oh,
[42:53] Speaker 3: if BYU acquits itself, well, again, like that's sort of
[42:58] Speaker 3: almost to subject B why you should receive points and
[43:02] Speaker 3: should receive credit for scheduling Notre Dame and you know,
[43:04] Speaker 3: doing a home and home thing with Notre Dame. And yes,
[43:07] Speaker 3: but you know what, you gotta win the game. If
[43:10] Speaker 3: you're looking for that bid, Like, yes, you can get
[43:14] Speaker 3: points for scheduling that game, but that's just a harder way.
[43:16] Speaker 3: That's just harder to quantify that, Like let's give BYU credit,
[43:19] Speaker 3: but how much credit? They didn't win the game, but
[43:21] Speaker 3: they looked pretty good in that game. Like BYU needs
[43:25] Speaker 3: to beat Notre Dame in order for BYU to probably
[43:31] Speaker 3: find themselves in the playoff not winning the Big Twelve,
[43:35] Speaker 3: Like they're gonna need something like that, because what we've
[43:37] Speaker 3: seen from the committee recently and every year, it's a
[43:39] Speaker 3: different you know, it's a different Big Twelve, and we
[43:41] Speaker 3: should appraise the the Big Twelve as a whole differently
[43:45] Speaker 3: every year based on what they look like. But if
[43:49] Speaker 3: recent history serves then they're probably not gonna get too
[43:53] Speaker 3: many benefits of the doubt after the first two teams.
[43:56] Speaker 4: Right, three, Well, so let me let me pivot.
[43:59] Speaker 1: There's one other game. There's one other game. Continue.
[44:01] Speaker 4: What's the other game for you?
[44:03] Speaker 3: ASU is traveling to TEXTA A and m oh yeah.
[44:06] Speaker 3: So sure if you are Asu and ten and two,
[44:10] Speaker 3: and or if you are BYU and ten and two
[44:13] Speaker 3: and we're suddenly measuring you against Oregon or USC or
[44:18] Speaker 3: Io R take your pick of a team who is
[44:20] Speaker 3: in that at large conversation. And ASU has not only
[44:24] Speaker 3: scheduled really well, but they beat and I don't know
[44:27] Speaker 3: where Texas A and M is going to end up
[44:30] Speaker 3: in the preseason top twenty five, but they're generally considered
[44:32] Speaker 3: top ten ish at the moment. To go to Kyle
[44:35] Speaker 3: Field and win, it's a huge, huge deal. So ASU
[44:38] Speaker 3: would be in that. You know, Okay, they're in the
[44:40] Speaker 3: Big twelve, but they went to text A and M
[44:42] Speaker 3: and one they're in the Big twelve, but they beat
[44:44] Speaker 3: Notre Dame. Right that, like that suddenly gives you a
[44:47] Speaker 3: resume that becomes all the more impressive.
[44:50] Speaker 2: Well, let's hit the part B right now from Eric. Okay,
[44:54] Speaker 2: Eric says, should Utah fans be worried about the program's
[44:58] Speaker 2: direction after Kyle Whittingham's departure? And can the Big twelve
[45:02] Speaker 2: ever get two playoff bids? So two separate questions, right,
[45:06] Speaker 2: but related but related? We can start with the Big
[45:09] Speaker 2: twelve and the two bid conference thing, because to me,
[45:13] Speaker 2: that's fascinating. That is a fascinating point of discussion. I
[45:18] Speaker 2: think of it from a slightly different standpoint than I
[45:20] Speaker 2: believe he is asking here. Yeah, I think of it
[45:23] Speaker 2: in terms of it being a math problem, because the
[45:26] Speaker 2: math is very simple. If Notre Dame gets in the
[45:28] Speaker 2: top twelve for these new rules, they're getting into the playoff.
[45:31] Speaker 4: That's one team.
[45:32] Speaker 2: Yep, there's gonna be one G five team getting in
[45:34] Speaker 2: at a minimum. I would presume in most years it's
[45:37] Speaker 2: going to be just one. But that's two in the
[45:40] Speaker 2: twelve team are in the twelve team. We don't know
[45:42] Speaker 2: how much longer it's gonna last important disclaimer, thank you.
[45:45] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[45:46] Speaker 2: Acc Big Twelve champions, they each get a spot in.
[45:50] Speaker 4: That's four.
[45:52] Speaker 2: That leaves you eight spots, and you need to pick
[45:55] Speaker 2: off one if you want to get a two team,
[45:59] Speaker 2: two bid situation going to the College Fotball Playoff for
[46:02] Speaker 2: the Big Twelve. The most informed thing that I can
[46:06] Speaker 2: tell you at this juncture, Eric, is that it's a
[46:09] Speaker 2: wide open league.
[46:11] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[46:11] Speaker 2: I've always loved the Big Twelve. I have started researching
[46:15] Speaker 2: the Big Twelve. I have not fully done previews or
[46:17] Speaker 2: anything like that. It's still early March, but the Big
[46:20] Speaker 2: Twelve is wide open, and I think there are plenty
[46:23] Speaker 2: of teams in the conference that could make the case
[46:26] Speaker 2: that they could if things break in their direction, grab
[46:29] Speaker 2: one of those eight spots and keep it for themselves.
[46:32] Speaker 4: Sure.
[46:32] Speaker 2: My bigger question though, and this is why I bring
[46:34] Speaker 2: this up, I kind of have a sub question for you.
[46:39] Speaker 2: As I was thinking about this, the thought crossed my mind, Hey,
[46:44] Speaker 2: why does the Big twelve want to play a conference
[46:46] Speaker 2: championship game at all?
[46:49] Speaker 1: Fair?
[46:49] Speaker 4: What's the point of that?
[46:51] Speaker 2: Because if you think of that math problem in those terms,
[46:56] Speaker 2: if you got eight spots left, yeah, why not use
[47:00] Speaker 2: the tie breaker in your sixteen team conference to declare
[47:04] Speaker 2: a league champ or declare co champs and make it
[47:08] Speaker 2: interesting for the committee? Like, why risk giving one of
[47:11] Speaker 2: your top two teams another loss? Even if the committee says, oh,
[47:15] Speaker 2: it doesn't matter, we don't penalize it. We know they
[47:17] Speaker 2: kind of do not in all cases, but in some
[47:20] Speaker 2: cases they do. Why give them the benefit of another
[47:26] Speaker 2: Big Twelve loss to try and keep these teams out?
[47:29] Speaker 2: Why not just stop it, declare a champ or co
[47:32] Speaker 2: champs and then let the rest figure itself out via
[47:35] Speaker 2: the committee or whatever process they claim to use.
[47:38] Speaker 3: Well in that situation, Okay, so the Big Twelve and
[47:40] Speaker 3: the ACC are trying to do everything they can one
[47:43] Speaker 3: for themselves and two to make sure the SEC and
[47:47] Speaker 3: the Big ten are cool with them, right, They're not
[47:50] Speaker 3: trying to roughle any feathers. So if the SEC and
[47:53] Speaker 3: Big Ten are still going to play a conference championship game,
[47:57] Speaker 3: then the Big twelve is going to be like, we're
[47:58] Speaker 3: going to make things easier for our teams while it's
[48:00] Speaker 3: more difficult for your teams, right, and we're going to
[48:02] Speaker 3: eliminate that extra game too. I think they have a
[48:05] Speaker 3: deal in place financially to play this game.
[48:07] Speaker 4: I understand that there's a deal, but I'm saying hypothetically.
[48:10] Speaker 2: Why what's I hear you, Well, it's the upside other
[48:13] Speaker 2: than they're all try and keep up with the Joneses.
[48:15] Speaker 2: What is the practical upside to playing this game? If
[48:20] Speaker 2: if one of your teams loses, they might hold it
[48:21] Speaker 2: against them. It's another week to beat up your best teams.
[48:26] Speaker 2: You know, you're guaranteed one spot for these new rules.
[48:29] Speaker 2: Whoever wins the conference gets in. So why not just
[48:32] Speaker 2: say this is who we are electing as our conference
[48:35] Speaker 2: champion and you guys can figure out the rest.
[48:37] Speaker 1: Because they're not in charge.
[48:39] Speaker 3: It's whatever the Big Ten and SEC tell them. The
[48:42] Speaker 3: competitive structure of the sport is going to be. That's
[48:45] Speaker 3: where the Big twelve is at the moment, and they're
[48:48] Speaker 3: doing their best to maximize who they are. Also with
[48:51] Speaker 3: regard to the two bid thing, it's not fair, it's
[48:55] Speaker 3: not right. But the taste left in everybody's mouth with
[48:58] Speaker 3: the Big twelve is our champion who murdered everybody, including
[49:04] Speaker 3: the second best team in the clear second best team
[49:07] Speaker 3: in the conference, who was definitely of playoff caliber, and
[49:10] Speaker 3: BYU Texas Tech had nothing to prove against BYU to
[49:14] Speaker 3: your point in the conference championship game this year, it
[49:16] Speaker 3: won't always be the case. They had nothing to prove
[49:19] Speaker 3: and went out and trounced them again. And so then
[49:23] Speaker 3: the champion that trounce the second best team twice went
[49:27] Speaker 3: to the College Football Playoff as a top five seed
[49:30] Speaker 3: and scored how many points in the playoff? I believe
[49:33] Speaker 3: a big old gooseg it be zero points, and perception
[49:37] Speaker 3: becomes reality when you're measuring teams against each other when
[49:40] Speaker 3: you have a limited sample size. I'm not saying the
[49:43] Speaker 3: Big twelve doesn't have enough quality to send two teams
[49:46] Speaker 3: to the College Football Playoff, but that is the lasting
[49:48] Speaker 3: impression of the current Big twelve. The year before that,
[49:52] Speaker 3: Arizona State acquitted itself very well against Texas. It changes
[49:56] Speaker 3: year to year, but that's where we are right now
[49:59] Speaker 3: with the Big Twelve as constituted that this version of
[50:01] Speaker 3: Texas Tech that was a machine in this conference scored
[50:06] Speaker 3: zero points on a neutral field against the whatever third
[50:09] Speaker 3: or fourth place team in the Big Ten, and so
[50:12] Speaker 3: they're going to have to prove it with games like
[50:15] Speaker 3: ASU against Texas A and m with BYU against Notre Dame.
[50:19] Speaker 1: Every year it's.
[50:20] Speaker 3: A clean slate and they have a chance to prove
[50:21] Speaker 3: themselves as being a better conference than they were the
[50:24] Speaker 3: previous season. But yes, that is the current impression of
[50:28] Speaker 3: the current Big Twelve at the.
[50:30] Speaker 1: Top right now.
[50:31] Speaker 2: And maybe that's not fair, to be clear, but that's
[50:33] Speaker 2: what it is right now. I guess is sort of
[50:35] Speaker 2: a weird way. I'm quasi arguing for some of the
[50:41] Speaker 2: concepts that I know have been presented with how maybe
[50:45] Speaker 2: the SEC in the Big Ten won a restructure conference
[50:47] Speaker 2: championship week sure, where yes there might be a conference
[50:51] Speaker 2: championship game, but then there are also other games that
[50:54] Speaker 2: are being played to try and boost the profile of
[50:56] Speaker 2: some teams that could be in the playoff conversation. I'm
[51:00] Speaker 2: taking a different approach, but I'm just wondering out loud,
[51:04] Speaker 2: why why we need that at all? If it could
[51:07] Speaker 2: stand to hurt the Big twelve.
[51:08] Speaker 3: If, oh, I think it's it stands to hurt everybody
[51:10] Speaker 3: at this point, especially with Notre Dame having the sweetheart
[51:13] Speaker 3: deal that they have not playing in a conference championship game,
[51:15] Speaker 3: You're going to see a lot of like why am
[51:16] Speaker 3: I playing if Notre Dame is not?
[51:17] Speaker 4: I know, I.
[51:20] Speaker 3: Get yeah, So I just think we're going to go
[51:24] Speaker 3: to more games eventually. The conference championship games are going
[51:28] Speaker 3: to become like you know, the idea of like conference
[51:31] Speaker 3: semi final weekend or whatever, you know, six versus three
[51:35] Speaker 3: and four versus five to see who gets at large.
[51:38] Speaker 3: Like we're going to go to that point eventually, because
[51:41] Speaker 3: you know, the powers that be in college football want
[51:44] Speaker 3: nothing more than to be NFL light for some reason,
[51:47] Speaker 3: and that's where we're going to go. So we're heading
[51:51] Speaker 3: in that direction. The toothpases out of the tube, the
[51:53] Speaker 3: genies out of the about all that kind of stuff,
[51:55] Speaker 3: and it's unfortunate, but yeah, I from the Big twelves perspective,
[51:58] Speaker 3: you're just doing what the other those big two conferences
[52:02] Speaker 3: are telling you what the governance of the sport is
[52:04] Speaker 3: going to be or the competitive structure.
[52:05] Speaker 2: The first part of aris question was you talk about
[52:08] Speaker 2: Utah Should they? Should Utah fans be worried about the
[52:11] Speaker 2: direction after Kyle Whittingham's departure.
[52:15] Speaker 3: I think it's too early to say, like, I don't
[52:19] Speaker 3: I have a fully formed official opedon now. Of course,
[52:21] Speaker 3: it's too early to say.
[52:22] Speaker 4: Well, here's the thing.
[52:24] Speaker 2: Were we not already concerned about the trajectory of Utah
[52:28] Speaker 2: before Whittingham left?
[52:31] Speaker 1: Were we Well?
[52:33] Speaker 2: I don't think we were concerned about Utah as being
[52:36] Speaker 2: a consistent performer, but in terms of what will it
[52:40] Speaker 2: take to get Utah to the next level? There were
[52:43] Speaker 2: real conversations we had on this show. I know we
[52:46] Speaker 2: had on other shows where it was an open conversation
[52:49] Speaker 2: about like, all right, we know Whittingham's good coach, We
[52:52] Speaker 2: generally know what style of football he likes to play,
[52:55] Speaker 2: but there is this lingering question of what is it
[52:57] Speaker 2: going to take to get to the next level. And
[53:01] Speaker 2: it came to a point, obviously within Utah where they
[53:05] Speaker 2: were pretty set determined to flip it over to Morgan
[53:08] Speaker 2: Scalley as the coach, and wait, they don't want to
[53:11] Speaker 2: lose him, and they wanted to go in a different direction.
[53:13] Speaker 2: So my sense is they were feeling a little bit
[53:15] Speaker 2: of it too, that it was time to change the
[53:17] Speaker 2: guard and see if maybe they could shake things up.
[53:22] Speaker 2: I think we need to give it a minute before
[53:23] Speaker 2: we jumped any conclusions on what Morgan Scalley is going
[53:26] Speaker 2: to do. I think there is enough left on the
[53:30] Speaker 2: roster that it'll be in decent enough shape going into
[53:33] Speaker 2: this year. But there's obviously a pretty big transition underway
[53:37] Speaker 2: as well as he changes things over and rebuilds in
[53:39] Speaker 2: his image. So I think it's too early to say
[53:43] Speaker 2: I understand the question. But I also think that at
[53:45] Speaker 2: least from my standpoint, and you know, some of the
[53:48] Speaker 2: conversations we've had here, I think some of those concerns
[53:51] Speaker 2: were out there already, so it's not really that different
[53:54] Speaker 2: in my eyes.
[53:55] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[53:55] Speaker 3: The only I mean quibble I'll have is I don't
[53:58] Speaker 3: think anybody was concerned about the future of Utah football
[54:02] Speaker 3: with Kyle Whittingham, and I know, like they had a
[54:04] Speaker 3: crazy amount of injuries and whatever. He'd been there for
[54:07] Speaker 3: twenty years, they won a million games. They won eleven
[54:10] Speaker 3: games last year. Yeah, they were arguably a playoff team
[54:15] Speaker 3: in the way that they performed. They went from just
[54:18] Speaker 3: a complete disaster of offensive football when nicked up and
[54:23] Speaker 3: they you know, the backup quarterbacks weren't there, and just
[54:25] Speaker 3: like they were a limited offensive team even producing tight
[54:28] Speaker 3: ends and running backs, to having a top seven offense
[54:32] Speaker 3: in America's last year.
[54:33] Speaker 2: It was a different question with Whittingham than I think
[54:37] Speaker 2: it's going to be now with Morgan Scouty r. To
[54:39] Speaker 2: Eric's question here, the question with Whittingham is is he
[54:43] Speaker 2: ever going to find a way to find another gear
[54:45] Speaker 2: and take this program to the next level. That was
[54:47] Speaker 2: the concern under Whittingham. The concern now to Eric's question is, hey,
[54:52] Speaker 2: are they going to bottom out? Is this program on
[54:57] Speaker 2: level footing now stable footing. I think they're fine. I
[55:01] Speaker 2: think they'll be fine, and I do like Morgan Scaley
[55:04] Speaker 2: a lot. But there's a transition, So I understand why
[55:06] Speaker 2: he's asking the question. It's just I think way too
[55:08] Speaker 2: early to say.
[55:09] Speaker 3: I would say there are probably one hundred and thirty
[55:11] Speaker 3: fan bases worried about their programs direction under their current coach.
[55:15] Speaker 4: Always so.
[55:17] Speaker 3: I shouldn't you. You should give him an opportunity before
[55:20] Speaker 3: feeling anything. You shouldn't have any emotions unless there is
[55:23] Speaker 3: some sort of reason right that. Oh, Okay, Whittingham left
[55:26] Speaker 3: and fifty nine players left as well. No, the word
[55:30] Speaker 3: is nobody likes Morgan Scalley. That didn't happen. Big players left,
[55:34] Speaker 3: big recruits laughed, whatever, But nothing crazy dramatic. You got
[55:38] Speaker 3: to give him an opportunity. The quarterback is back. The
[55:41] Speaker 3: quarterbacks are back. I'm a bird fickling guy, big bird
[55:44] Speaker 3: fickling baby. There's a lot too, still very much like
[55:48] Speaker 3: about Utah. But you should be worried because Utah is
[55:51] Speaker 3: one of you know, three programs in America. I mean,
[55:54] Speaker 3: how many coaches have been around for as long as
[55:57] Speaker 3: w was around in Salt Lake City. No, just Kirk
[56:01] Speaker 3: Farns like, you got to count it. It's on one hand,
[56:04] Speaker 3: and so Utah Football and Kyle Whittingham are one and
[56:08] Speaker 3: the same in terms of how we appreciate what this
[56:11] Speaker 3: program has done this century. So yes, you should be worried,
[56:15] Speaker 3: just because that kind of transition can be very, very difficult.
[56:19] Speaker 3: But because he's been there for so long, you should
[56:22] Speaker 3: be less worried, but everybody should be worried. I'm worried
[56:24] Speaker 3: as an organ fan about elements of this program. Sure,
[56:26] Speaker 3: sure you're worried about Notre Dame and Penn State and all,
[56:29] Speaker 3: you know, these successful programs.
[56:30] Speaker 4: I'm worried about.
[56:31] Speaker 2: I'm worried every minute of every day about Marcus Freeman
[56:34] Speaker 2: taking another job.
[56:35] Speaker 1: So sure, well there's that.
[56:37] Speaker 3: And then they're like, are you worried about like Penn
[56:39] Speaker 3: State winning too many games playing against a bunch of
[56:42] Speaker 3: high school teams in their non conference this season and
[56:44] Speaker 3: last season? Right, that's tough. So no, it's everybody's worried.
[56:50] Speaker 3: You should be worried, but just because he's new as
[56:53] Speaker 3: a head coach.
[56:55] Speaker 2: Final question here from another tyler, Yes, probably a better tyler.
[57:00] Speaker 2: What are your top three elements that make a great
[57:03] Speaker 2: tailgate experience? For example, weather, venue, music, food, drinks, games,
[57:08] Speaker 2: et cetera, TVs. You were formerly the side tour guy. Yeah,
[57:14] Speaker 2: so was your job for a moment in time going
[57:17] Speaker 2: around to tailgates talking to tailgaters. I know you have
[57:21] Speaker 2: far more opinionated thoughts on this than I do.
[57:25] Speaker 4: So where are you at here?
[57:26] Speaker 2: Well?
[57:26] Speaker 3: What's your number one draft pick for if we had
[57:28] Speaker 3: an element whether I'll give you the number.
[57:30] Speaker 1: Weather's number one.
[57:32] Speaker 3: Weather is number one, Yeah, because nothing else matters. The seating,
[57:35] Speaker 3: the bathroom availability, the food, the TV set up, whatever,
[57:40] Speaker 3: nothing matters. If it's miserable out and you don't like,
[57:44] Speaker 3: you're not prepared for it, You're like, oh, it's was
[57:46] Speaker 3: supposed to be fifty eight and it's thirty one in hailing.
[57:49] Speaker 3: Not much you can do to have a good time.
[57:51] Speaker 2: If it is seventy two and sunny. The tailgate can
[57:55] Speaker 2: consist of sitting in a field on a blanket, passing
[57:58] Speaker 2: around a bag of lazed potato chips. Not a sponsor
[58:01] Speaker 2: could be Yeah, and that's great. OK, great, so the weather,
[58:06] Speaker 2: the weather is.
[58:07] Speaker 3: The you're gonna say something else, passing around, just passing
[58:10] Speaker 3: around a fat blunt in the middle of a field and.
[58:12] Speaker 2: Como whatever you're into. Like, I don't judge, but I'm
[58:15] Speaker 2: just saying that weather for me isn't one.
[58:18] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[58:18] Speaker 3: I don't care about music. I mean, music's fine. I
[58:20] Speaker 3: don't care about music with a tailgate necessarily. Games are fine.
[58:24] Speaker 3: Those are all bonus. Those are all luxuries. If I
[58:27] Speaker 3: have weather, if I have seating and I have food, Okay, TV.
[58:33] Speaker 1: Is a luxury I love.
[58:34] Speaker 3: You know, not everybody needs to watch an ACC game
[58:37] Speaker 3: early or a you know, a Mountain West game or
[58:39] Speaker 3: like not everybody needs that, and I understand that I
[58:42] Speaker 3: need it. But in terms of the roots, in terms
[58:46] Speaker 3: of the like most important parts of my tailgating day, weather, seating, food,
[58:54] Speaker 3: very close and usually all these big programs have porta
[58:57] Speaker 3: potties everywhere. Right's that's that's not a small deal. I
[59:02] Speaker 3: don't know if you're a bunch of if you're around
[59:03] Speaker 3: a bunch of people, you corn holes a bonus. All
[59:06] Speaker 3: that stuff is a bonus.
[59:07] Speaker 1: Stuff.
[59:07] Speaker 3: Ladders, that's great, having a football to throw around, it's great. Weather, food, seating.
[59:14] Speaker 4: Let me ask you a question. Please, Live music.
[59:20] Speaker 1: That's fine.
[59:21] Speaker 3: I mean, I I appreciate when like, uh, fifteen members
[59:25] Speaker 3: of the marching band kind of make their way through.
[59:27] Speaker 2: It's like, I think the trumpets or something that's cooeh.
[59:30] Speaker 2: That's cool. That's cool.
[59:31] Speaker 4: That plugs in very naturally to the whole experience.
[59:33] Speaker 1: Have a couple of snares and some brass or.
[59:35] Speaker 2: What But like, what about somebody's cousin, Brian, who happens
[59:39] Speaker 2: to be very deep with his acoustic guitar, don't eat it,
[59:46] Speaker 2: and decides he's just going to go out there and
[59:48] Speaker 2: you know, put a set together for the people.
[59:49] Speaker 3: I've seen karaoke setups where like I've seen that this
[59:52] Speaker 3: was that Penn State.
[59:53] Speaker 4: Yeah, I've seen that.
[59:53] Speaker 1: I don't I don't remember if this is.
[59:55] Speaker 3: This might have been somebody at a tailgate where you
[59:57] Speaker 3: knew people, but I don't think you knew this guy.
[59:59] Speaker 4: No, that was No, I didn't know that guy. I don't.
[1:00:02] Speaker 4: I don't know who that. I don't know what his
[1:00:03] Speaker 4: deal was.
[1:00:04] Speaker 3: But they started playing Neil Diamond and he had a
[1:00:06] Speaker 3: microphone to sing along to Neil Diamond on their speakers
[1:00:10] Speaker 3: and was trying to engage people who walked by. Look,
[1:00:13] Speaker 3: I respect the hustle. It's nothing I need. But I
[1:00:18] Speaker 3: guess that's Penn State for you, sebt.
[1:00:21] Speaker 1: I'm trying to think. No, that wasn't an install that
[1:00:23] Speaker 1: Penn State. Uh.
[1:00:25] Speaker 3: Yeah, the live music thing, because now you have the
[1:00:27] Speaker 3: activation stuff where it's like, oh, guess what, like Coke
[1:00:30] Speaker 3: zero has a concert series and Rob Thomas is playing.
[1:00:34] Speaker 4: Could be Rob Thomas could be a sponsor.
[1:00:38] Speaker 3: I'm not crazy, I'm just yeah, Uh, that's the that's fine,
[1:00:43] Speaker 3: but I'm not there is there is.
[1:00:45] Speaker 1: There are very few.
[1:00:47] Speaker 3: Artists we're like, you know, Rob Thomas is about to
[1:00:48] Speaker 3: play at the Coke zero stage, Like, Okay, I have
[1:00:51] Speaker 3: a comfortable seat, I've got a couple of brats, you know,
[1:00:55] Speaker 3: via condios. I hope everybody else enjoys it. I'm good
[1:00:59] Speaker 3: and I'll do is. Back to Rob Thomas, obviously quite
[1:01:02] Speaker 3: a career.
[1:01:03] Speaker 2: Probably listening to this, I can only imagine I was
[1:01:06] Speaker 2: just trying to pick.
[1:01:07] Speaker 4: Somebody bag into this.
[1:01:09] Speaker 3: Somebody who if there is like that sponsored activation, they
[1:01:13] Speaker 3: have a budget to bring in somebody before. You always
[1:01:16] Speaker 3: see that, right, you see a few seconds of it
[1:01:17] Speaker 3: before the Orange Bowl or something, and there's just somebody
[1:01:22] Speaker 3: where it's just like hey, and before we get to
[1:01:24] Speaker 3: kick off. Here are some scenes from the like the
[1:01:29] Speaker 3: Whatever stage and it's Lifehouse rocking the you know, the
[1:01:38] Speaker 3: Whatever Insurance stage rock in the the Baha Blast Orange
[1:01:43] Speaker 3: Bowl stage.
[1:01:45] Speaker 2: It's always it's always best when they introduce Lifehouse with
[1:01:50] Speaker 2: like multi platinum award winning of course Lifehouse with.
[1:01:54] Speaker 4: Their hit single.
[1:01:55] Speaker 3: Dot Dot Dot hanging by a moment. By the way,
[1:01:58] Speaker 3: to be clear, I have not forgotten the name of
[1:01:59] Speaker 3: their hit single. But yes, it is somebody who likely
[1:02:04] Speaker 3: peaked a while.
[1:02:05] Speaker 1: Ago, who needs the money.
[1:02:07] Speaker 3: You meet at that middle point where you're like, would
[1:02:09] Speaker 3: you accept thirty five hundred and expenses? Like, sure, we'll
[1:02:14] Speaker 3: give you fifteen seconds on ABC. Great, but yeah it's somebody.
[1:02:18] Speaker 3: And listen, I don't begrudge any in this economy. Take
[1:02:21] Speaker 3: what you can get, Tyler, take what you can get.
[1:02:24] Speaker 3: So yes, no, it's a bonus. It's nice if you happen.
[1:02:28] Speaker 3: Look if ty was wandering over because he had to
[1:02:32] Speaker 3: use the portageohn after eating too many brats, and he
[1:02:35] Speaker 3: was wandering back to his hometailgate and there was again,
[1:02:40] Speaker 3: take your pick, Rob Thomas life house. They probably shouldn't
[1:02:42] Speaker 3: be lumped together, and they're on the Baja Blast stage.
[1:02:46] Speaker 3: Tyle'll give him seven minutes of his life. Sure of
[1:02:49] Speaker 3: course he will. I mean I probably would go see
[1:02:50] Speaker 3: Rob Thomas.
[1:02:51] Speaker 4: I'm of that age.
[1:02:52] Speaker 1: Well, you'd buy tickets.
[1:02:54] Speaker 2: No, no, no, no no, I'm saying if he were
[1:02:55] Speaker 2: on the Baja Blast stage.
[1:02:57] Speaker 3: If Rob Thomas is appearing, I watch on Well, okay,
[1:03:02] Speaker 3: I checked that out. Is there is there a known
[1:03:04] Speaker 3: artist where you'd be like, you know what, I don't
[1:03:06] Speaker 3: have time for them.
[1:03:09] Speaker 1: Yeah, Jojo? Who Jojo?
[1:03:14] Speaker 4: Jojo? She's still singing?
[1:03:16] Speaker 1: Leave. I don't know.
[1:03:17] Speaker 4: I mean that was a jam I did. Like that.
[1:03:19] Speaker 3: I'm saying, but like, is there somebody who were like,
[1:03:21] Speaker 3: you know what, I don't have time for our lady piece.
[1:03:25] Speaker 4: If I were I saw our lady piece in concert,
[1:03:30] Speaker 4: I'm sure.
[1:03:31] Speaker 3: I would, by the way, I would stop to see
[1:03:33] Speaker 3: any of these acts.
[1:03:35] Speaker 4: I wouldn't stop to see Jojo.
[1:03:38] Speaker 2: If you if you found out if I was at
[1:03:39] Speaker 2: a great tailgate and my friends were like, come on,
[1:03:42] Speaker 2: you want to go up to the so and so
[1:03:43] Speaker 2: stage to see Jojo? No, well, it's like an eleven
[1:03:46] Speaker 2: minute concert cast the Buffalo Cheese Dip. Please you choose
[1:03:50] Speaker 2: Buffalo Cheese Dip over Jojo?
[1:03:52] Speaker 4: I think? So?
[1:03:53] Speaker 1: What about Silverchair?
[1:03:54] Speaker 4: I'd probably I'd have to go see Silverchair.
[1:03:57] Speaker 1: Silverchair over Jojo?
[1:03:58] Speaker 3: What if Ashley Simpson made a I'm back to the
[1:04:00] Speaker 3: college football, you would give we'd give that a pull?
[1:04:04] Speaker 1: Okay, what about Jason Derulo?
[1:04:07] Speaker 4: I would have to of course I would have to.
[1:04:10] Speaker 2: I talked you about my Jason Derulo playlist, right, I
[1:04:14] Speaker 2: don't think so I put a Jason Derula playlist together.
[1:04:16] Speaker 2: I think I talked about it on the show like
[1:04:17] Speaker 2: ten years ago. Yeah, I put a Derula playlist together.
[1:04:21] Speaker 4: Somewhere. I can find it. All the Jason Derulo songs
[1:04:24] Speaker 4: in which he starts out the song.
[1:04:25] Speaker 1: Saying, Jason Derue, Oh yeah, yeah, that's great. I love.
[1:04:29] Speaker 4: I have a lot of respect for Jason Derulo.
[1:04:31] Speaker 3: All right, uh left, turn hold on, I want to
[1:04:34] Speaker 3: ask you more else, I would see all of them. Oh, like, okay,
[1:04:38] Speaker 3: here are the two thousand and four Billboard top singles. Okay, okay,
[1:04:43] Speaker 3: I don't know why I chose two thousand and four,
[1:04:44] Speaker 3: a good twenty two years ago. Would you see whobi stank?
[1:04:47] Speaker 3: I would I would see hoopo stink?
[1:04:48] Speaker 1: Yeah, you would stop wald On.
[1:04:50] Speaker 4: What is the what is the scenario here?
[1:04:52] Speaker 2: I'm at a tailgate, I'm enjoying myself, the weather is beautiful.
[1:04:56] Speaker 2: But then in addition, we find out there is some
[1:04:59] Speaker 2: sort of sponsored activation featuring an artist that we know.
[1:05:04] Speaker 1: On the Baja Blast stage on the Baha.
[1:05:05] Speaker 2: But am I leaving the tailgate to go and see
[1:05:08] Speaker 2: that artist?
[1:05:08] Speaker 4: So it's question.
[1:05:09] Speaker 3: So the first level is I would stop my walk
[1:05:13] Speaker 3: back from the porta John to like, oh, Okay, it's
[1:05:16] Speaker 3: starting in six minutes. I will wait here and then
[1:05:19] Speaker 3: I will watch the ten minute set of their three
[1:05:21] Speaker 3: biggest songs. Okay, or some one of your like many honeys,
[1:05:26] Speaker 3: comes by your tailgate and is like, hey, just saw
[1:05:29] Speaker 3: that Hubastank is playing in ten minutes, if anybody wants
[1:05:32] Speaker 3: to go over with me, okay, So that's this. You
[1:05:35] Speaker 3: have to make an effort for the second level. Okay,
[1:05:37] Speaker 3: so Hubistank, Yes or no, that's that's an auto. Yes,
[1:05:41] Speaker 3: three doors down, I believe.
[1:05:45] Speaker 4: So did I see that the lead singer just passed away?
[1:05:48] Speaker 1: Oh that I don't know.
[1:05:49] Speaker 2: Maybe I'm I'm about that, but old school three doors down?
[1:05:52] Speaker 1: Yes, I have not kept track of Christina Milian.
[1:05:55] Speaker 4: I have no idea who that is, really, no idea.
[1:05:58] Speaker 1: She was also an actress, no idea, may still be
[1:06:00] Speaker 1: an actress.
[1:06:01] Speaker 4: She could walk in the studio. I wouldn't know who
[1:06:03] Speaker 4: that is. Okay?
[1:06:04] Speaker 1: Uh didoh? Yes, of course? No, out of my way.
[1:06:08] Speaker 1: You wouldn't go see white flag some to you?
[1:06:12] Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm good.
[1:06:13] Speaker 1: Uh, Kalise, don't milkshake, No milk brings all the boys
[1:06:18] Speaker 1: to here. You wouldn't go. You wouldn't even stop on
[1:06:21] Speaker 1: the way back from the bathroom to Seekalise.
[1:06:22] Speaker 4: Didn't like that song. Oh you were out of your mind.
[1:06:25] Speaker 1: No, that's such a bad answer.
[1:06:27] Speaker 4: Ty, I don't care switch Foot. Uh you know what.
[1:06:30] Speaker 4: I would go, but I'm not a switch Foot fan.
[1:06:33] Speaker 1: We were mare to Luke.
[1:06:36] Speaker 4: Not really that into him. But I would go. I
[1:06:39] Speaker 4: would go because it's switch.
[1:06:40] Speaker 3: Foot, aim in aim on the ft. I don't want
[1:06:47] Speaker 3: you back.
[1:06:48] Speaker 4: Uh no, I don't.
[1:06:50] Speaker 1: I have no idea who that is finger eleven mm hmm.
[1:06:55] Speaker 2: No, they had that one song. What was the song
[1:06:58] Speaker 2: paralyzer or something?
[1:07:00] Speaker 1: Uh, well this year it was one thing.
[1:07:03] Speaker 4: Oh no, no, I'll stay at the tailgate.
[1:07:06] Speaker 1: I have an answer for you that.
[1:07:08] Speaker 3: It's such a clear delineation of Portagehn, yes, leave the tailgate. No,
[1:07:12] Speaker 3: this is my delineation. I would absolutely stop to watch
[1:07:15] Speaker 3: on the way back from the Portageohn would not leave
[1:07:17] Speaker 3: my seat.
[1:07:18] Speaker 1: And you know brats okay, Ryan Cabrera.
[1:07:23] Speaker 2: I would stop for Ryan Cabrera. I would not leave
[1:07:26] Speaker 2: for Ryan Cabrera because then I would have to announce
[1:07:29] Speaker 2: to the tailgate. Hey, everybody who wants to go see
[1:07:32] Speaker 2: Ryan Cabrera. I'll due respect to Ryan.
[1:07:35] Speaker 4: I wouldn't I don't think I would do either.
[1:07:37] Speaker 1: I would stop.
[1:07:38] Speaker 3: I'm all right, I have I have four minutes for
[1:07:39] Speaker 3: Ryan absolutely, yes, five for Fighting Uh.
[1:07:45] Speaker 4: No, I would stop just for Superman.
[1:07:48] Speaker 1: I would stop. I don't think I would leave.
[1:07:51] Speaker 2: I wouldn't know, but I would stop on the way
[1:07:53] Speaker 2: back if it's like in between point aim, Yeah for
[1:07:56] Speaker 2: super About Lost Lonely Boys, no one hundred percent? Go
[1:08:01] Speaker 2: see Low Slowly Boys one percent?
[1:08:03] Speaker 4: How far is I.
[1:08:04] Speaker 1: Might pay in twenty twenty six to go see a
[1:08:07] Speaker 1: Love Lonely Boys concert?
[1:08:08] Speaker 4: No, No one is. That's probably part of the issue
[1:08:11] Speaker 4: for Los Lonely Boys.
[1:08:11] Speaker 3: But right well, I don't know. I don't know their
[1:08:14] Speaker 3: touring schedule and venue possibilities.
[1:08:17] Speaker 1: I don't know.
[1:08:18] Speaker 3: Evan Essence, that's a tough tail they need a certain vibe,
[1:08:21] Speaker 3: And I don't know if a tailgate is I mean matching.
[1:08:23] Speaker 2: It that's rough at like a beautiful like in the
[1:08:28] Speaker 2: shadow of a college football stadium, Evan Essence playing some
[1:08:31] Speaker 2: of their Now, I would I would probably stop.
[1:08:35] Speaker 4: On the way back, but I don't think I would
[1:08:36] Speaker 4: leave the tailgate for that last one.
[1:08:38] Speaker 1: Juvenile No. I would knock over old people to go
[1:08:43] Speaker 1: see Juvenile.
[1:08:45] Speaker 3: I would run through them like it was Black Friday
[1:08:48] Speaker 3: to go see Juvenile at a tailgate.
[1:08:50] Speaker 2: West Lonely Boys, by the way, are playing in ac
[1:08:53] Speaker 2: in June, if you want to come on.
[1:08:54] Speaker 1: Over, okay.
[1:08:57] Speaker 3: I will add if any of the artists mentioned and
[1:09:00] Speaker 3: have done anything problematic in the last twenty two years.
[1:09:03] Speaker 3: I am fully unaware of any of the band members
[1:09:07] Speaker 3: or singers that I have mentioned and their personal lives,
[1:09:09] Speaker 3: so I am pre apologizing for including any of them,
[1:09:12] Speaker 3: but I would absolutely again, I don't know what any
[1:09:15] Speaker 3: of these acts have been up to, but on the
[1:09:18] Speaker 3: basis of pure music, I would go see let's say
[1:09:22] Speaker 3: juvenile legal issues assaulting his barber not great, drug charges
[1:09:27] Speaker 3: not great, failing to pay child support not great, purely
[1:09:32] Speaker 3: on the merits of Juvenile's music. If he were on
[1:09:36] Speaker 3: the Baja Blast stage, I would run over old people
[1:09:39] Speaker 3: to see him.
[1:09:39] Speaker 2: So to bring this sing full circle, Dan, Yeah, there
[1:09:44] Speaker 2: is a brother in Low Lonely Boys whose name is Jojo.
[1:09:49] Speaker 2: On April twenty first, twenty twenty two, with Jojo having
[1:09:52] Speaker 2: allegedly changed his mind after two years, Lost Lonely Boys
[1:09:55] Speaker 2: announced they were joining The Who on some tour dates
[1:09:58] Speaker 2: in Dallas, Houston.
[1:10:00] Speaker 1: And sorry.
[1:10:00] Speaker 3: If they're good enough for the Who, the surviving members
[1:10:03] Speaker 3: of the Who, it's pretty good.
[1:10:07] Speaker 4: They officially reunited a couple of years ago.
[1:10:08] Speaker 2: There you go, all right, why don't we leave it there?
[1:10:11] Speaker 2: We got a big Part two coming up. I don't
[1:10:13] Speaker 2: know if it can rival this one and the way
[1:10:15] Speaker 2: we close things out, but we'll try. Please hit follow
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[1:10:21] Speaker 3: Technically, college football talk tie it was the college football
[1:10:24] Speaker 3: Talk which large artists, because there were some on there
[1:10:27] Speaker 3: that were too big, right, they would not be playing
[1:10:28] Speaker 3: the like Alicia Keys is not playing the Baja Blast stage. No, no,
[1:10:31] Speaker 3: no no, she had hits Usha is not playing the
[1:10:33] Speaker 3: Baja Blast stage.
[1:10:34] Speaker 2: No.
[1:10:34] Speaker 1: But that's college football talk technically.
[1:10:37] Speaker 4: Technically speaking, we will leave it there.
[1:10:40] Speaker 2: We've got a bunch more questions. Thank you to the
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