# 1867 - "Transmission Window"

An episode of [No Agenda Show](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/269169796), 10 May 2026, 3 h 00 min.

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No Agenda Episode 1867 - "Transmission Window" Transmission Window Executive Producers: Sir Kevin Dills Arch Duke of the Carolinas Matthew Payne Randy and Crystal Sir HorseMeds Susan A Taubenkibel Douglas Schneider David McInnis Dennis Cadle Arnis Celmins Terence Lynch Todd Usnik Associate Executive Producers: Amy Lynn Sir Robert Eli The Coffee Guy Stefan Trockels Linda Lu Knight and Dames: Matthew Payne > Sir Mattnik Terence Lynch > Sir Terror of the Respawns Doug Schneider's Mother (Roxanne) > Dame Roxanne of the Right Diagonal Title Change Sir Kevin Dills (Duke of North Carolina) > Arch Duke of the Carolinas (requested Bob Dylan title-change song) Art By: Blue Acorn End of Show Mixes: Bonald Crabtree Danny Loos Jus Baker Mark van Dijk - Systems Master Ryan Bemrose - Program Director Back Office Jae Dvorak Chapters: Dreb Scott Clip Custodian: Neal Jones Clip Collectors: Steve Jones & Dave Ackerman ShowNotes Archive 1867.noagendanotes.com No Agenda Peerage RSS Podcast Feed ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

## Transcript

[0:00] people who swim across the channel lunatics adam curry john
[0:05] c devora it's sunday may 10 2026 this is your
[0:08] award-winning gibbon nation media assassination episode 1876 this is no
[0:13] agenda celebrating mob Broadcasting live from Amsterdam. In the morning,
[0:22] everybody, I'm Adam Curry. Yeah, from Refinery Row here in
[0:27] Northern California. We miss our moms and wish them all
[0:32] a happy Mother's Day. I'm John C. DeBore. Yeah, that's
[0:38] right. I keep forgetting. We don't have moms. Well, we
[0:43] have moms. No. We don't have living moms. Ah, this
[0:48] is the difference. We have moms no longer with us,
[0:51] yes. And as we know, most people who listen to
[0:54] the show hate their mom. Or is it? Or so
[0:59] it seems, except during COVID. Has it changed somewhat, perhaps?
[1:06] Oh, I can't visit my mom. Oh, no. Second show
[1:10] from the... You know, I looked out the window this
[1:13] morning. And that sign that caught fire in the hotel?
[1:17] Yeah. Literally outside our room. And they took it down.
[1:21] I took a picture. It's all scorched. The wall is
[1:24] all scorched. I think that is weird. thing called fire.
[1:28] Yeah. It's short. There's a couple other strange things I
[1:33] just have to talk about. Boots on the ground, you
[1:35] know, on Thursday, we had just arrived, and you had
[1:37] only seen the inside. at the airport and I've been
[1:39] around I've been walking I went to see Christina we
[1:42] did the gender reveal we did the gender reveal big
[1:47] gender reveal party This is where you scoff. This is
[1:52] where you scoff. They're kind of dumb. It was fun,
[1:57] though. It was nice. So first of all, In the
[2:01] Netherlands, this may be an EU-wide thing. They have done
[2:05] something to plastic bottles. And this is very odd to
[2:10] me. When you open the top of the plastic bottle,
[2:14] It stays attached to the bottle. You can't actually... No,
[2:18] it's got a little thing on it. Yeah, it's got
[2:20] a little thing on it. And I'm thinking, okay, I'm
[2:22] sure this is for climate change or to save the
[2:24] Earth. But have you ever had a bottle of water?
[2:30] Yeah, I've had a bottle of water. And have you
[2:32] just, when you're done with your bottle of water, do
[2:34] you just throw the cap away or do you put
[2:36] the cap on and throw the bottle away? What I
[2:40] tend to do. Oh, here we go. I take the
[2:45] bottle, which is usually plastic. Yes. And I squeeze it
[2:48] to it so it's like shrunk into the smallest possible
[2:51] piece. Then I put the cap on it so it
[2:54] can't return to its original size. Then it takes up
[2:57] less space in the garbage can. So you are actually
[2:59] doing a good thing for the earth with the cap.
[3:02] Yep. But you don't need the cap attached to remember.
[3:06] Does anyone throw the bottle cap away outside of the
[3:09] bottles? Anyone do this? I think it's been done. Oh,
[3:13] it doesn't seem like a number one thing. And it's
[3:15] kind of annoying because you want to drink out of
[3:17] the bottle and then... Yeah, you don't want the thing
[3:19] slapping you in the nose. Yes, exactly. Europe. I have
[3:23] a, I, before you go on with your little... which
[3:26] is important, your conversation about it. It's very important. I
[3:30] have to play this in Amsterdam clip, which is a
[3:34] girl on Insta. Talking about the screwball stuff that she's
[3:40] run into and she's grilling her fake friend about it.
[3:44] Here we go. Hey, excuse me, Amsterdam. Quick question. Yeah,
[3:48] what is it? So I thought Amsterdam was one of
[3:51] those places where anything goes, but I'm hearing something of
[3:54] a ban that recently went into effect. Well. Even we
[3:57] have our limits. But smoking in coffee shops are still
[4:01] legal, yes? Yeah. As are magic mushrooms. Yeah. And public
[4:06] nudity. Yeah. So what could have crossed the line that
[4:09] you have to ban it now? That would be public
[4:13] advertising of fossil fuel products, including meat. So no more
[4:17] ads. for gas-powered cars, airlines, or chicken nuggets? Correct. Well,
[4:22] I have a lot of questions, but besides that, is
[4:25] there anything else you've been cracking down on recently? Yeah,
[4:30] young British men. What? You're banning British men? No, no,
[4:34] not a ban, but we do have an advertising campaign.
[4:37] telling them to stay away. So let me get this
[4:39] straight. In a city known for permissiveness, you're drawing the
[4:43] line at British dudes and ads for cheeseburgers. Yeah, naturally.
[4:49] Because one ruins the climate and the other ruins our
[4:52] city. Yeah. Well, the ban on young British men, that's...
[4:57] that's been going for a while and I think it's
[4:59] kind of slowed down because of cheap airfare is over.
[5:03] now that they have barely any fuel. Yeah, that's true.
[5:08] Because, you know, they were getting on the easy jet
[5:10] for 50 bucks and flying over and getting... You just
[5:14] fall down drunk. And peeing in the mailbox. Party town.
[5:18] Yeah, peeing in the mailboxes and stuff like that. Yeah.
[5:23] Well, unfortunately, the mailboxes are connected to the door. You
[5:26] know, it's not like a separate mailbox. So you're peeing
[5:28] into someone's house through the mailbox. So, yeah, the British
[5:32] boys were a bit of a problem. But listen to
[5:35] this. So we go to the gender reveal. And my
[5:40] first wife is there, who I haven't seen in 10
[5:43] years. So, you know, it was kind of an interesting...
[5:47] interesting vibe all around. You know, the... Tina had never
[5:52] met her. So, you know, you can imagine that was
[5:55] interesting. That was great. Actually, it was great. It was
[5:59] actually really nice. What do you think? The first question
[6:05] she asked me, we sat down for a couple of
[6:07] minutes. What do you think the first question was that
[6:09] she asked me? Well, I would say this if I
[6:13] was her. Think carefully. Think carefully now. I would say.
[6:17] Hi Adam, how's the show going? Yeah, no. You get
[6:22] another guess. No? No, you get another guess. Uhhh... Hi
[6:27] Adam, how's your hemorrhoids? You finally got them cleared up?
[6:30] Okay. No. Great, John, no. No! No? She says... I'm
[6:36] sure everyone has asked you this. Uh oh. You want
[6:39] to guess now? Oh, everyone has asked you this. How
[6:44] do you like Texas? First she said, hey, is that
[6:48] old dude still alive? No, that's not what she asked.
[6:51] She said. What do you think of President Trump? Oh,
[6:57] I should have gotten guessed that. What am I thinking?
[7:00] The first question out of the gate. And... It is
[7:05] the first question from everybody. I didn't expect it from
[7:08] her because, yes, there were a lot of questions she
[7:10] could have had as the first one at the top
[7:12] of her mind. But even... You know Taxi Eric, you
[7:16] know Taxi Eric, the guy that tried to kill you
[7:17] once? Oh yeah, they almost got me killed. Almost got
[7:19] you killed. He says that whenever he gets Americans in
[7:24] the car, he picks them up from the airport. They
[7:27] all go, oh, Trump. Oh, we hate Trump. We hate
[7:29] Trump. Everyone hates Trump. And I'm like, that's odd. So
[7:35] only Democrats are traveling to Holland now? No, no, no.
[7:39] I think it's because people are afraid. Oh, I get
[7:43] it. Yeah, I've pulled that stunt. You know, because they
[7:47] know that all of Europe hates Trump. Now, that is
[7:51] also not true because Taxi Eric doesn't hate Trump. And
[7:54] so anyway, so then my answer to my first wife
[7:58] was, Well... You know... I like a lot of things
[8:03] he's doing. For instance, our borders are closed and he's
[8:08] kicking out the undesirables. When you say this, and it
[8:12] works in every case, not just in ex-wives. When you
[8:15] say this, they go. Yeah, wow, I wish we had
[8:18] a guy here to do something like that. I bet,
[8:21] yeah. That's exactly what they say. And there's other things
[8:24] that he's done that I think are pretty good. Well,
[8:26] yeah, yeah, yeah. I hadn't thought about that. So, but
[8:32] every single person, the same thing. First you say. I
[8:36] like Trump. I think he's doing some good stuff. And
[8:37] their face goes... And then you just have to say,
[8:40] our borders are closed. And we're kicking out the undesirables.
[8:45] I like the use of the term undesirable. That's a
[8:48] good one. Well, isn't that the truth? The undesirable? Yeah,
[8:52] it's just a term nobody uses anymore. Perfect. Very apt.
[8:57] It's good. It's good. And then I guess the only
[9:00] other thing that I noticed here... is the ratio of
[9:06] commercials to programming. is worse than the United States. It
[9:12] is 21 commercials. to every 12 minutes of programming. no
[9:18] matter what time of day. 21. 21 commercials of what
[9:26] length? Uh, varying between 15 and 60? So what they
[9:32] do here a lot is they'll have a... A 60?
[9:36] And then they'll have another commercial and they'll come back
[9:39] with a 15 second, which is like a little bonus
[9:43] for the one previous. So they'll, you know, they'll do
[9:47] a thing for some chocolate and then there's like washing
[9:50] powder and they'll say, hey, don't forget that chocolate. It's
[9:53] really good. Yeah. Yeah. I don't think we do that
[9:57] in the States anymore, do we? It's been done, but
[10:00] it hasn't. It's not popular. No. Uh, so, uh, I
[10:06] do have... a clip here about the extreme ban on
[10:11] burgers and petrol and cruises from someone who is very
[10:15] disappointing. I thought it was just meat. Now I'm understanding
[10:18] it's... No, it's all climate stuff. It's... Anything that has
[10:21] to do with fossil fuel. Yes, cruise lines. Airlines, petrol
[10:29] cars, all of that is for Boaten. Now the Dutch,
[10:32] Amsterdam, putting in place... ban that is so extreme it
[10:36] has attracted worldwide attention. Before I get to that though,
[10:40] certainly in recent years the Netherlands has seen some pretty
[10:43] extreme policies. I mean, in the name of the so-called
[10:46] Green Agenda and to comply with EU rules, the Dutch
[10:51] government for some reason wanted to close down thousands of
[10:54] farms across the country to cut down nitrogen pollution and
[11:00] even went this far that if farmers refused to sell
[11:04] up, that the Dutch authorities would push ahead with compulsory
[11:08] purchases of farms to shut them down. And what you've
[11:13] now seen... is this in Amsterdam the There is now
[11:18] a ban in place. for certain public adverts. So Amsterdam
[11:25] now from the 1st of May, so this is coming
[11:27] to effect now. Adverts for burgers, petrol cars, air travel
[11:33] and cruises. banned from appearing on billboards, tram shelters. or
[11:39] metro stations because of the outlook on environmental targets from
[11:44] the Amsterdam authorities who for some reason want to reduce
[11:49] local meat consumption. And yeah, believe it or not, this
[11:52] is now the policy. being implemented in Amsterdam. And things
[11:58] could get even more extreme in terms of Amsterdam because
[12:03] it seems now the city actually looking at banning cruise
[12:08] ships completely. They're going to look to end sea cruises
[12:12] by 2030. Five. They've already decided to reduce the number
[12:18] of cruise ships allowed to dock in Amsterdam. That nearly
[12:21] halved. And they're now looking at banning cruise ships, something
[12:26] that, of course, will cost them a huge amount of
[12:29] money in terms of port and tourist taxes. And what
[12:35] is not reported is they've reduced the number of slots
[12:39] available at the airport. So to fly direct to Amsterdam
[12:44] is expensive. I mean, it's already expensive because of... uh
[12:49] oil price and jet fuel availability but there's even more
[12:53] i mean you look at the ticket It's 75% is
[12:57] taxes and fees and carbon and extra airport fees just
[13:03] because they don't have enough slots for airplane. This is
[13:06] a huge hub at International Airport. The Dutch are crazy.
[13:10] And everyone's complaining about the Prime Minister, Twinkle Toes. who
[13:17] suckered all the young people in by being openly gay.
[13:21] Like, oh yes, LGBTQ, it's going to be great. And
[13:25] this kid, all he does is stuff for rich people.
[13:29] So this is a country in decline. sad to see.
[13:35] That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Kill the cruise
[13:39] lines and then take an international hub of major importance
[13:46] and screw it? Yeah. That's exactly what they do. Why?
[13:51] to save the world. For climate change? Are they nuts?
[13:54] Yes. And check this, so Taxi Eric... It isn't a
[13:59] full-blown law yet, but they're going to disallow. all diesel
[14:04] cars and trucks from the city center. And soon it
[14:07] will be, I think that may already be in effect.
[14:09] And most of these cabs, you know, these Mercedes cabs
[14:12] all used to drive on diesel, of course. because it's
[14:15] much cheaper here. Um... And so now they're going to
[14:19] ban petrol cars. So he got a hybrid. And he
[14:23] can drive about 100 kilometers on battery alone, which is
[14:27] enough to drive into the city center and out a
[14:31] couple times a day. But they have so many electric
[14:34] vehicles. and such a lack of... energy available and grid
[14:40] capacity. that he can't even get a three-phase charger at
[14:44] home. He has to plug this thing into the wall,
[14:47] and it takes four hours to charge something that could
[14:51] charge in 25 minutes. um And there are new homes
[14:55] being built that will never get electricity. We can't extend
[15:01] the grid to these new homes. where they already have
[15:04] hundreds of thousands of homes in shortage because they've given
[15:07] it to all the asylum seekers. This is crazy. Why
[15:12] people are not revolting here, I don't understand. It was
[15:17] a long-term strategy. I understand it now. That's why you
[15:21] legalized marijuana and magic mushrooms. Woo! It's all good, brother.
[15:29] Yeah, there you go. You nailed it. You nailed it.
[15:33] I don't know what they're going to do in Hungary.
[15:38] Here's the latest update. Now they got the new guy
[15:41] in. It's a new era for Hungary. Peter Modior is
[15:44] set to take his oath as prime minister inside Budapest's
[15:47] neo-Gothic parliament. He has called on Hungarians to mark the
[15:51] day with a huge party. Celebrating the end of the
[15:54] Orban era. We must immediately begin putting our country back
[15:59] in order, bringing home EU funds, restarting the economy and
[16:04] improving public services, as well as healing the wounds caused
[16:08] over recent decades, reunifying the Hungarian nation and of course...
[16:12] ensuring justice so that those who committed the crimes of
[16:16] the previous system are held accountable. Was it that bad?
[16:20] Did we just miss all the reporting? I thought everyone
[16:23] loved Orban. uh they did the the corruption i got
[16:28] i i think got too much or ramped up i
[16:33] have a Report from the BBC, it's similar. Okay, hold
[16:38] on a second. Let me see. Is it under Hungary?
[16:48] Why, yes it is. Okay. Wait a minute. Why does
[16:53] it say Hungry New Guy? Why am I hearing stuff
[16:55] about Japan? That's what I'd like to know. Do you
[17:01] think it's still coming? Or do you have a Japan
[17:03] clip? I never heard this clip. This is under your
[17:08] clip. It says, Hungry New Guy won BBC. Interesting. Let
[17:13] it play, she would have. No confidence motion against the
[17:15] mayor, who's been on medical leaves and suffering a brain
[17:18] hemorrhage in February. It means he'll automatically lose his position
[17:22] in 10 days. The problem in Hungary is they're now
[17:25] speaking Japanese. We've got a real situation on our hands.
[17:28] Oh, here we go. It's a bad edit. It was
[17:32] a... Moment of pomp and ceremony in Budapest today. A
[17:36] fanfare sounded as new members of parliament came into the
[17:39] plenary chamber to watch Peter Modja, who won a landslide
[17:43] victory in last month's general election, being sworn in as
[17:47] prime minister. I, Hungarian Peter, accept that Hungary... In his
[18:01] inaugural speech, Mr. Modja said one of his government's first
[18:04] steps would be to create an independent office to investigate
[18:08] corruption over the past 20 years. That's the period covering
[18:12] the government of his predecessor, Viktor Orban. Afterwards, Mr Mojar
[18:16] gave another speech to his supporters outside the Parliament, saying
[18:20] his premiership would mark a new beginning for his country.
[18:24] Take it with you. Take this day with you as
[18:30] a memory and remember this day. for your whole life.
[18:35] Maybe one day you will show it to your children,
[18:40] to your grandchildren, that this is how it was in
[18:44] 2026, the first day of the free and democratic Hungary.
[18:53] Alright. All right. Okay. Well, new guys. You know, the
[18:56] funny thing is, you know, the people, I think they
[18:58] did like Orban to a point, but I guess the
[19:02] scandals were too much. But the other thing is, wasn't
[19:07] Orban going to be a dictator for life and he
[19:09] was never going to be removed? Yeah, there was some
[19:12] of that. Typical. It's the same thing. Trump. You guys
[19:14] are going to stay in office forever. Of course, I
[19:16] like the fact that Trump jokes about it. It's funny.
[19:21] He had some joke the other day about it. He
[19:23] says, well, maybe in about a decade when I'm not
[19:26] in office anymore. We played it on the show. It
[19:28] was about his... Oh, okay. Yeah, play it again. No,
[19:30] don't play it again. No, I'm not going to play
[19:31] it again. What I'm going to play is... I got
[19:34] some brand new hot off the press stuff from this
[19:36] morning from the Sunday morning shows. Thank you to Steve,
[19:39] the clip collector. We got to talk about Hanta virus.
[19:43] I mean, everyone's talking about the Hanta. You know, it's
[19:47] funny, before you play that, there's been a couple of
[19:50] pieces going around saying, claiming. Yes. The whole thing is
[19:55] a fake. Oh, I haven't seen that. The whole thing
[19:59] is a fake? Yeah, the whole thing is bogus. The
[20:01] people that have died didn't die of Hanta. Oh. And
[20:03] this is a complete creation to try to get people
[20:07] worked up. Now, I can assure you the dead Dutch
[20:09] people are really dead. Well, they might be dead, but
[20:13] are they dead? From Hanta. Oh, well... One of them,
[20:16] somebody apparently died of old age. It happens to the
[20:20] best of us. What I love about this is we're
[20:27] just rewinding the movie. We're inserting a new word. We're
[20:31] bringing back the same puppets. Who do you want to
[20:34] talk to? to right away when there's something deadly going
[20:37] on? Peter Hotez. No, that's when we're... We don't have
[20:41] a vaccine yet. We're not there yet. What do you
[20:44] mean? You know they got 15 in the works, right?
[20:47] We got to go back to the genesis. Who was
[20:49] the first guy? You need the first guy. Come on.
[20:54] Well, it's not Fauci. No, it's Osterholm. Osterholm. Oh, that
[21:00] guy. I'm joined now by one of the top infectious
[21:02] disease specialists in the country, Dr. Michael Osterholm. The one
[21:06] who scared our wits. scared us out of our wits
[21:10] when we started with the covid even before the guy
[21:13] you ran into it At Rogan. Yeah, when Rogan was
[21:16] still in Los Angeles. Yeah, exactly. And he was like,
[21:19] oh, yeah, oh, it's really bad. Oh, millions are going
[21:21] to die. Of the University of Minnesota, it's good to
[21:23] see you this morning. Thank you. Most Americans, of course,
[21:26] had never even heard of the Hanta virus. So you
[21:29] can understand the kind of fear. What's his name? What's
[21:34] his name's wife died of it was? The actor. Gene
[21:38] Hackman's wife died of hantavirus and it was all over
[21:41] the news. We've heard of it. Well, it's interesting you
[21:44] bring that up. Is she kidding? It's interesting you bring
[21:46] that up. Because yes, that was one of the things
[21:50] that I was curious about myself. I think we actually...
[21:54] I think we actually have a clip still. Uh, where
[21:57] is it? Hmm, I'll find it. coronavirus or influenza virus.
[22:16] This is one that has very limited ability to be
[22:19] transmitted person to person. In fact, it's a rare exception.
[22:22] And so we have no question about the fact that
[22:25] this really is on the end of its run right
[22:27] now. And they're very possibly maybe not no additional cases
[22:30] from here on out. And I know originally you catch
[22:33] it from Rat feces or urine. How many cases... Why
[22:38] doesn't she just say rat poop feces? People don't understand
[22:42] that word anymore, Martha. Feces are there generally. Good point.
[22:45] Yeah, just say rat poop. It's okay. I think you're
[22:47] right. I don't think people know what the word feces
[22:50] means. I think it's too technical for Americans these days.
[22:54] rat poop originally and you hear her thinking about it
[22:58] like should i say rat poop should i say Rat
[23:01] turds are like, ah, feces. You catch it from rat.
[23:05] Feces. You see how she. Yeah, you're right. It's that
[23:08] one beat. Chirp, poop. You catch it from rat feces
[23:13] or urine. How many cases are there generally in a
[23:17] year? In the United States, there are about 30 cases
[23:21] a year on average, and they mostly occur west of
[23:24] Mississippi. About 96% are west of Mississippi. And it has
[23:27] to do with the kind of mouse that lives west
[23:29] of the... Wait a minute! Wait a minute! Now we
[23:31] switch all of a sudden from rat to mouse. Yeah.
[23:35] I don't like it. I don't like that. And now
[23:37] he says it's west of the Mississippi because of a
[23:39] certain kind of mouse? Yeah. What happened to Rat? The
[23:44] rats are out. Really raised our concerns with this boat
[23:58] related transmission is the one from South America. Ah, you
[24:01] hear what he's saying here? What really raised our concerns
[24:04] with this boat related transmission. So he's being sneaky about
[24:10] this. Yeah, he's talking about the Andean stream. Yes, and
[24:14] that is... hemorrhagic. The Andean strain is like Ebola, Zika,
[24:21] without the small heads. Not Zika. Zika's not hemorrhagic. Oh.
[24:25] It's the other one. The Marfan. Marbur. Marbur. Marbur. Marbur.
[24:33] Marbur. We got it. We nailed it, people. Nailed it.
[24:36] Concerns with this boat-related transmission is the one from South
[24:40] America, which is called the Andes train. And that one
[24:43] actually on occasion has resulted in person-to-person transmission. Uh-huh. You
[24:48] see, he's caging it. He's being careful, but he's slippery,
[24:52] this one. Sneaking it in. Yeah, he's sneaking it in.
[24:55] And supposedly you aren't... passing that or transmitting that unless
[24:59] you're symptomatic. Right. Right now, you can manage the individuals
[25:04] who've been exposed very simply by asking... Oh, how can
[25:06] we manage? What do you think we can manage them
[25:08] with? Come on, come on. What can we manage? What
[25:10] is the way to manage every virus? By the way,
[25:13] I want to stop the clip. What did he say
[25:16] was the number of cases every year? 30. As of
[25:21] the end of 2023, 690 cases of hantavirus have been
[25:27] reported in the United States. Oh, okay, since surveillance began
[25:31] in '93. Okay, it's possible. Alright. I'm sorry. Are you
[25:36] experiencing any kind of a fever? And then take the
[25:38] temperature. Do you have any symptoms? If somebody is identified
[25:42] right at that point... Are you bleeding from your eyes?
[25:44] You can put basically an N95 mask on. Oh, okay.
[25:48] Back to the N95 mask. Oh, no. We know this
[25:52] doesn't stop anything of the kind. And stop all transmission.
[25:55] Transmission stops with an N95. So this is why we
[25:59] don't need this high-tech, you know, containment facilities, et cetera,
[26:03] to monitor these people. We can monitor them very simply.
[26:06] And should they stay home? I know these 17 Americans
[26:08] are coming back. Shelter in place. Going to Nebraska, they
[26:11] will be checked. Self-isolate. And then they're sent home. And
[26:16] this is just a trust thing? Just check your fever?
[26:18] Are you happy with that? Well, you know, it's not
[26:21] actually just a trust thing. In a sense, people really
[26:23] do respond to participating in this for their own health
[26:26] as well as the health of those around them. We've
[26:29] had a lot of experience with this in the past.
[26:30] Ebola was a good example. When we had all returning
[26:33] health care workers coming back from Africa. back in 2015
[26:37] to 2017, we monitored them twice a day for their
[26:40] temperature and for any symptoms and that worked very, very
[26:43] well. So I have complete confidence that we will have
[26:46] good compliance here. And I think within days, this will
[26:49] no longer be a story. Okay, all right, within days
[26:53] it will no longer be a story. Why would you
[26:55] even say that? This is how he gets on TV.
[26:57] I would say, check back in a few days. We'll
[26:59] see if it's no longer a story. Okay, he's certain.
[27:02] One more clip with him. Even the people who were
[27:05] let off the ship earlier, at the end of April,
[27:08] and are now, some of them, back in the United
[27:10] States, no worries there. No worries there in the sense
[27:12] that they're going to be monitored now as they weren't
[27:14] before. Oh, no worries, because we can monitor them. But
[27:18] again, none of them have had any symptoms, onsets, have
[27:21] had no suggestion of infection. The same is true with
[27:24] all the individuals disembarking right now today. There's no evidence
[27:29] any of those individuals were sick. And if you look
[27:31] at what happened, the first person that came on the
[27:34] ship brought it with them. And you can basically explain
[27:37] all the cases that have occurred to date around exposure
[27:40] just to that one individual, not to multiple people transmitting
[27:43] the virus. Thanks so much for joining us this morning.
[27:46] Put us at ease. Thank you. Thank you. Yes, at
[27:48] ease. You're right, John. We go back to March of
[27:51] 2025. It wasn't all that long ago. Here was the
[27:54] report we. played on the show. Tonight, New Mexico authorities
[27:57] with tragic revelations to a week-long mystery, saying Gene Hackman
[28:01] died of heart disease and complications from Alzheimer's, likely a
[28:05] week after his wife Betsy died of the rare, deadly
[28:08] disease, Hantavirus. The cause of death for Mr. Gene Hackman,
[28:12] aged 95 years. is hypertensive an atherosclerotic cardiovascular disease with
[28:20] alzheimer's disease as a significant contributory factor the cause of
[28:24] death for miss betsy hackman aged 65 years is hantavirus
[28:31] pulmonary syndrome pulmonary syndrome Now I think that's the, isn't
[28:37] that the Andy's version? That's what I... I'm not sure
[28:41] at this point. I'm not sure either. Here's the thing
[28:46] that... One is pulmonary and the other one is internal
[28:50] organs or something. So here's the thing that... that I
[28:55] haven't seen any reporting on. Surprise. In the Pfizer document,
[29:00] the one that was FOIA, the one that was supposed
[29:02] to be locked up for 70 years. 95. 95 years.
[29:09] Hantavirus pulmonary infection is on the adverse event. special interest
[29:16] list. What? Yes, for the Pfizer vaccine. The RNA vaccine.
[29:24] Are they so careless? When they manufactured that they got
[29:29] a hantavirus in the vaccine, you think? Well, first of
[29:32] all, it's on page 33, which just tickles me. Okay,
[29:36] that's good news. So I'm feeling better already. But... So
[29:43] there's two ways of looking at it. I don't think
[29:45] hantavirus was included in it. The way I read it,
[29:50] and it's a very technical document, so we'll have to
[29:52] have other people read it and tell us what. what
[29:55] we're seeing here. The way I read it is that
[29:58] if you have had hantavirus, which could be a mild
[30:02] case, you got a fever, you know, some rat poop
[30:05] slipped into your yogurt, you know, whatever. You didn't die.
[30:08] It happens. especially if you're west of the Mississippi. Texas,
[30:13] by the way, is one of the states. Waffle House.
[30:16] Waffle House. That it can then bring back the exact
[30:21] same symptoms that you had from hantavirus. So the hantavirus
[30:26] is kind of dormant inside of you, perhaps? Wow, it
[30:30] sounds like herpes. Yes, like bad men. Mexican food, it
[30:36] comes back all of a sudden. Yes. Um... Which doesn't
[30:41] make any sense, but okay. Well, this is how... But
[30:44] go ahead. Kara, this is what I'm reading. So that
[30:49] would kind of make sense if you think about Gene
[30:51] Hackman's wife. Think she was vaxxed? Do you think these
[30:55] people were vets? Oh, absolutely. Are you kidding? Of course
[30:58] she was. So this is what could possibly... create something
[31:03] that looks like a pandemic which would be in fact
[31:06] a pandemic of death So. I'm not so cavalier about
[31:14] all this. Oh, I see what you're saying. What you're
[31:16] saying is that because there could be numerous, maybe thousands
[31:22] of cases of dormant... Mm-hmm. antivirus infections out there because
[31:28] of the nature of it, based on this paper, page
[31:32] 33, it's possible that... they could all be triggered by
[31:38] the COVID shot. Yes, exactly. And then you can use
[31:45] that as leverage for another fake pandemic. Check it out.
[31:50] This warning sits, you nailed it. This warning sits alongside
[31:55] about. Herpes Family Virus Reactivation Uh, symptoms. Also Zika, Guillaume
[32:05] Barre. And there's 1,300 other adverse event of special interest
[32:11] categories that Pfizer was cataloging as known events. from day
[32:16] one in the document they wanted to hide for almost
[32:18] 100 years. And so... This is the gift that keeps
[32:26] on giving. Imagine my surprise when who shows up on
[32:30] CBS this morning. Come on, you know who that is
[32:32] now. Bochez. No! Who's the Pfizer douche? Oh yeah, the
[32:39] guy who's on the board. For more now, we turn
[32:42] to former FDA Commissioner Dr. Scott Gottlieb. He also serves
[32:45] on the boards of Pfizer and UnitedHealthcare. Welcome back, Doctor.
[32:50] Thank you. He already sounds bad, doesn't he? He's like,
[32:55] welcome back, John Lennon. It's almost like he's rolling his
[32:57] eyes like, I got to do this again. Or maybe
[33:00] he's like, I hope they don't ask about that document.
[33:03] Please don't ask about the document. Whatever you do, don't
[33:05] ask about the document. Welcome back, doctor. thank you so
[33:10] there have been three deaths linked to the outbreak here
[33:13] in the us there are six states monitoring potential exposure,
[33:17] all either linked to the ship itself or flights of
[33:20] people who have been on the ship, and then those
[33:23] 17 Americans. Do you agree with the CDC and the
[33:27] World Health Organization that the risk to public health is
[33:30] low? Oh yeah. Yeah, I do agree with that. We
[33:35] have to concede that there's still things we don't know
[33:36] about this virus. We haven't had to grapple with many
[33:39] outbreaks in the past. There's been two large outbreaks in
[33:41] Argentina. But based on that experience, what we know is
[33:44] that typically for transmission, you have to have close contact.
[33:47] We also know that people typically aren't contagious unless they
[33:50] have showing signs of the infection itself in what we
[33:53] call the prodromal phase. ProDromo. We have never heard of
[33:57] the prodromal phase. No, I've never heard this. This is
[33:59] new. Where they start to have an onset of symptoms
[34:01] and the progression from that onset of symptoms to severe
[34:05] disease and in these cases death is typically just days.
[34:09] This is a very aggressive virus. And so based on
[34:12] what we know, the transmission risk is low. Now that
[34:14] said... When you look back at the past experience, there
[34:17] are these outlier cases where there appears to have been
[34:19] transmission among people who weren't perceived to be in close
[34:22] contact. And so there are these cases that we need
[34:25] to look at closely from the past experience and just
[34:28] be wary that perhaps there's things we don't know fully
[34:31] about this virus. I will say that we are nearing
[34:33] the end of the transmission window. for the peace. Transmission
[34:36] window. What is he? Is he broadcasting now to this
[34:39] to the satellite? Why is it transmission window? Transmission window
[34:43] is almost closed. That we need to look at closely.
[34:45] Yeah, I think so. In the past experience. And just
[34:48] be wary that perhaps there's things we don't know fully
[34:50] about this virus. I will say that we are nearing
[34:52] the end of the transmission window. for the people who
[34:55] are being repatriated here in the U.S. And so it
[34:58] looks to me like the last death on that cruise
[35:01] ship was May 2nd. That patient had an onset of
[35:03] symptoms on April 28th. If you believe that the incubation
[35:08] period is about... If you believe... How about some science,
[35:12] Dr. Gottlieb? What is this believe crap? cruise ship was
[35:15] May 2nd. That patient had an onset of symptoms on
[35:18] April 28th. If you believe that the incubation period is
[35:22] about two to six weeks, they'll be at the peak
[35:25] of that incubation cycle some point this week. So I
[35:28] think we're about two weeks away from knowing whether or
[35:30] not there'll be additional cases that come from that initial
[35:32] outbreak on the cruise ship. Hold on a second. That
[35:36] contradicts what Osterholm said. He said, nah, it's over. This
[35:40] is done. This is toast. Now, Gottlieb is giving us
[35:43] two weeks transmission window space. I don't like this at
[35:47] all. And of course, the one thing that will not
[35:51] help, do not listen to the internet. Whatever you do,
[35:55] whatever you do, do not. I mean, telling you, do
[35:59] not take horse dewormer. So a key moment here. I
[36:02] mean, the WHO said it's very clear this is not
[36:06] COVID all over again. But as you know, it has
[36:10] ignited some of the very same skeptics who during the
[36:13] pandemic. really questioned our government institutions and the response. The
[36:19] WHO has said there is no research that ivermectin is
[36:23] an effective treatment for the virus. There's no research. It
[36:29] doesn't say that it's not effective. There's no research. Well,
[36:32] of course not. We've never had an outbreak of antivirus.
[36:37] I'm wondering what you make of these calls for alternative
[36:41] treatments and resistance of government health advice. There's no treatment.
[36:47] What alternative treatment is this? This might be a primary
[36:50] treatment. These people make me mad. According to the date...
[36:56] I'm sorry, but according to the ivermectin freaks, the hantavirus
[37:02] is another RNA. Yes. virus which are very easily thwarted
[37:09] by ivermectin. Ivermectin, man, it'll heal your broken elbow. Ivermectin
[37:15] is all you need when you travel is Ivermectin and
[37:18] gaffer tape and you're good to go. Look, I think
[37:22] we're going to be relitigating the consequences of COVID for
[37:25] a long time. And I think a lot of people
[37:27] who are in public health positions right now believe that
[37:29] their tenure and their appointment to these positions is a
[37:32] referendum on COVID in some respects. And so that goes
[37:35] through their public comments. This is not COVID. It's not
[37:37] going to spread like a pandemic virus, like COVID did,
[37:40] like a coronavirus did. It spreads far less efficiently. There
[37:44] aren't any treatments, successful treatments for this virus. Ivermectin certainly
[37:47] isn't an effective treatment. Just by virtue of its mechanism,
[37:51] it doesn't work against this virus. It prevents viral replication.
[37:54] in the nucleus, not the cytoplasm, where this virus replicates.
[37:57] It's just not gonna work. What? What? Well, wait a
[38:01] minute. It makes it sound like it did work against
[38:03] other things. What did he just say? He said how
[38:07] nucleus of makalaka. It works. It does work then in
[38:11] some situation. In the nucleus of the microplasm makalaka. It
[38:15] doesn't work against this virus. It prevents viral replication in
[38:19] the nucleus, not the cytoplasm where this virus replicates. It's
[38:21] just not going to work. So I would encourage people
[38:24] not to use that. I know that there's been some
[38:25] things on social media suggesting that people should stockpile ivermectin.
[38:29] We don't have an effective treatment for hantavirus, and that's
[38:32] what makes this very menacing. Now, wait, you said that...
[38:34] There's 15 hantavirus vaccines already in the making? Is that
[38:40] true? Yeah, yeah. Is that true or you just said
[38:42] that off the cuff? No, that's absolutely true. That many.
[38:46] So. The Army's got one, the Navy's got one, there's
[38:49] all these different ones. There's a big list of them
[38:51] floating around. People were mocking the list. Now, if I
[38:56] were... the global liberal world order. And I'm hating everything
[39:07] Trump is doing. He's wrecking our party. He's screwing it
[39:10] up with what he's doing with oil. He's screwing it
[39:13] up with the banking. screwing up. He doesn't want to
[39:17] help Ukraine. He's not playing ball with us. Why wouldn't
[39:23] they just pull the same trick they did in 2019?
[39:29] You're telling me no one has tabletopped this? No one
[39:33] has war-gamed it and said, In fact, Two weeks ago,
[39:36] there was a... One of those things that you always
[39:39] like to bitch about. Yeah, the war game exercise? There
[39:45] was an exercise, yeah. What was that original one called
[39:48] for COVID? E40201? Event 201, I think. Event 201. Event
[39:52] 201, yeah. I mean... Wouldn't you just, I mean, these
[39:58] are the exact same people. Wouldn't they be like, oh,
[40:01] this is great. We can get rid of that Trump.
[40:03] I don't think they can pull this one off. You
[40:06] can't do it with Hant the virus. Well, they've already
[40:08] got him in a bad situation. They're trying. You know,
[40:11] it's like... Come on boys, we can do better than
[40:14] this. of the gaggle. Well, I think you're going to
[40:21] be told everything and you already have. very much we
[40:26] hope under control. It was the ship and I think
[40:30] we're going to make a full report about it tomorrow.
[40:32] We have a lot of people, a lot of great
[40:34] people are studying it. Should be fine. We hope. I
[40:40] hope not. I mean, I hope not. We'll do the
[40:41] best we can. Yeah. Yeah. And so a lot of
[40:44] great people. This was not left unturned, this stone by
[40:48] CBS and Gottlieb about a lot of great people. You
[40:52] served in the first Trump administration as his... FDA commissioner
[40:57] in the first term. The person in that job now
[41:00] has been a guest on this program, Dr. Marty McCary.
[41:04] He was a vocal critic of COVID response during Trump
[41:08] and Biden. There's a lot of reporting right now that
[41:12] his current position, that he's at risk of losing his
[41:15] job. Given how important the FDA is, they regulate, I
[41:19] saw, one-fifth of consumer spending in this country. How damaging
[41:24] would it be to lose its leader, and is there
[41:26] someone who could step in quickly? No one obvious to
[41:32] me. And there's been some reporting about different candidates that
[41:35] could work on an interim basis. there. Marty's a friend.
[41:38] You know, I think that that's a very difficult job.
[41:40] It, as you said, regulates about 20% of the U.S.
[41:42] economy, products that are very important to people's lives, medical
[41:45] products, food, food safety. And so there's a lot of
[41:49] debate and consternation about decisions that get made at FDA.
[41:52] And so it's been a controversial position for whoever's held
[41:55] that job, including me. You know, I got criticized for
[41:57] decisions that I made in that position as well. I
[42:00] think the continued upheaval at FDA has been detrimental to
[42:03] the agency, not just the speculation about Marty's fate, but
[42:07] also the departures that we've seen from the agency. The
[42:09] agency's lost thousands of medical reviewers, some voluntary through the
[42:14] through the Doge cuts or some forced. through the doge
[42:16] cuts. Involuntary means some voluntary. There's been a lot of
[42:20] voluntary departures from the agency. If you look at the
[42:22] oncology division, they had a starting strength of about 100
[42:24] medical reviewers at the beginning of this administration. They're down
[42:27] to about 50. The hematological group that reviews drugs for
[42:32] leukemia and lymphoma had 21 medical reviewers and it's down
[42:35] to six. These aren't doctors. These are reviewers who approve
[42:39] stuff. You know, they're pharma shills. They lost an entire
[42:42] breast cancer review team. So there's been a lot of
[42:45] departures from the agency. You've seen political appointees take over
[42:48] what are typically career leadership positions, running the medical product
[42:52] centers, the drug center, and the biologic center. So I
[42:55] think, cumulatively, that's... That's taken a toll on the agency,
[42:57] and this continued speculation that we saw on Friday I
[42:59] think is just going to be another step downward. Uh-huh.
[43:02] I'm just saying they're setting it up. They're setting it
[43:05] up in case they need to. If they decide to
[43:07] pull the trigger, all you need is the media. All
[43:10] you need is a bunch of people who have this
[43:12] adverse event. That's just, what was it? adverse events special
[43:17] investigation thing. that reactivates this hentavirus. I mean, it's clear
[43:24] that there's a lot of things going on with side
[43:26] effects of, I would say specifically the Pfizer mRNA. Hate
[43:31] to say it. Not with everybody, for sure. Praise God,
[43:35] our... two of our daughters are still good and they've
[43:37] been Vax to the hilt. Lots of boosters? Many boosters.
[43:45] Yes. Many, many boosters. It hurts my heart, man. So,
[43:50] luckily. Luckily, they're okay. Now, if you don't mind, I
[43:53] just want to stay on the pharma. tip for a
[43:56] second because I would have saved this for later on
[43:59] in the show, but Gottlieb went into this, and I
[44:03] have a couple of clips from a recent Maha Institute.
[44:07] And this is the MK Ultra that we've been talking
[44:10] about of SSRIs. And I don't think people understand. how
[44:17] big of a disaster this is. Except for Kamala Harris's
[44:22] stepdaughter, who paused from crocheting to think, hmm, I've been
[44:26] on these things for over a decade. I wonder if
[44:28] there's something up with that. So here's Gottlieb. He leads
[44:31] us right down the path. I want to ask you
[44:33] about some of current leadership. there. Secretary Kennedy was speaking
[44:39] about the use of antidepressants in this country. Almost 17%
[44:43] of Americans use them. He says they're overprescribed, and he
[44:47] compared his experience of heroin withdrawal to a family member's
[44:51] experience getting off antidepressants known as SSRIs. Take a listen.
[44:57] I watched a family member get off of them after
[45:01] a couple of years on them and she was suicidal
[45:05] literally every day. She woke up every morning and said,
[45:09] "I don't want to live." And she said, The only
[45:13] reason I'm staying alive is for you guys, for the
[45:15] family. He later said that he was not telling people
[45:20] to stop if they're taking that medication. But what do
[45:24] you make of his description of antidepressants as risky? Look,
[45:30] these are prescribed in a primary care setting. Like any
[45:32] drug that's prescribed in that setting, I'm sure there's some
[45:34] marginal prescribing, you know. isolated marginal prescribing. What does that
[45:39] mean, marginal prescribing? Does that mean over-prescribing? Is that a
[45:43] tricky term? I think what he means by marginal is
[45:47] that maybe the person doesn't need that drug, but they
[45:51] get it prescribed anyway. They're on the margin. Okay. But
[45:54] for most Americans who take these drugs, they're very important
[45:56] and in some cases life-saving and I would encourage everyone
[46:00] who is thinking about potentially stopping these medications based on
[46:02] the Secretary's comments to consult their doctor. There is a
[46:06] period of time that patients need to be weaned off
[46:08] these drugs. They can be successfully weaned off these drugs.
[46:10] They can be if you're lucky. They want to be
[46:12] and there's alternatives that could be effective for their mental
[46:15] health but nobody should just stop. these drugs outright without
[46:19] being under the consultation of a medical provider. I worry
[46:21] that the Secretary's comments is going to discourage legitimate use
[46:24] of these drugs in the same way that his comments
[46:26] around Tylenol, discourage use of Tylenol in the setting of
[46:29] pregnancy where it could be very important for certain pregnant
[46:31] women who need pain relief and fever relief in that
[46:34] setting. We saw a lot of women... Quick, quick, I
[46:37] love that little pivot. Hey, these guys are stupid about
[46:40] Tylenol. Don't talk about the SSRI. Move away from those
[46:44] drugs, use those drugs, even appropriate use of those drugs.
[46:47] Based on the secretary's comments about that, I worry about
[46:48] the same thing here. It's clear that the secretary wants
[46:51] to put downward pressure on the prescribing. He tried to
[46:54] implement regulatory steps to do that as well. And so
[46:57] it is concerning. So I got a couple of boots
[46:59] on the ground since we've been talking about this topic.
[47:02] First one from Laurens. and she is 35 she lives
[47:07] in amsterdam was put on lexa pro in 2021 says
[47:11] i want to support your take on ssri's by sharing
[47:13] my own experience 2021 i was 35 a well-meaning doc
[47:17] A doctor here in Amsterdam put me on Lexapro, a
[47:19] strong SSRI. It made me extremely agitated, not to mention
[47:22] aggressive, and I'm normally a pretty relaxed person. While I
[47:25] was taking this, I started spending most of my weekends
[47:28] drinking black coffee, watching very violent video games on YouTube.
[47:33] The kind of games where you're ripping monsters in half
[47:35] with a chainsaw. I had no interest in playing these
[47:38] games, I just enjoyed the graphic violence. Again, normally I'm
[47:42] a pretty relaxed person, but these drugs made me aggressive
[47:45] and hypomanic. SSRIs boost serotonin and serotonin is a substance
[47:53] that makes you feel safe and dominant. So it's not
[47:56] hard to imagine why this could lead to dangerous behavior.
[47:58] Of course, doctors are not all aware, since these kinds
[48:01] of side effects could easily be attributed to something else.
[48:03] Maybe you're having a difficult time at work, you just
[48:06] need to meditate. And doctors mean well, but they don't
[48:08] have the time, so maybe they just prescribe you some
[48:11] benzos, which is not the same as SSRIs, to calm
[48:14] you down. At any rate, getting off SSRIs... is its
[48:17] own form of torture with mood changes, brain zaps, and
[48:22] lots of other fun stuff that will haunt you until
[48:25] the end of your days. Getting off these drugs was
[48:28] absolutely the right thing for me, and I think listening
[48:29] to the show first put into my head how dangerous
[48:32] these drugs can be. John, another score. pharmacology note, Lexapro,
[48:41] which the medical term is escitalopram, is recognized as having
[48:47] one of the highest affinities and top-tier selectivity for serotonin
[48:51] transport among SSRIs, often considered the most typical or selective
[48:55] due to its minimal binding. to other receptors. And so
[49:00] the Maha Institute, which is a RFK Jr. symposium. had
[49:06] this Dr. Anders Sorensen from, I think he's Norway or
[49:11] Denmark. And he gave a little spiel. I clipped three
[49:15] or four short clips. About SSRIs. They're short. One of
[49:19] them is 35 seconds, so they're short. about SSRIs and
[49:23] getting off of them. So in 2018, a study was
[49:27] published in the BMJ asking one very simple question. Do
[49:33] parachutes. Reduce the risk of death. when jumping from an
[49:37] aircraft. - The researchers compared two groups, one jumping with
[49:42] and one without. The result, no significant difference between the
[49:48] groups. Parachutes, it seemed, offered no protective effect, compared to
[49:53] those jumping without one. But there was one small detail.
[49:56] hidden in the methods section, which you of course always
[50:00] remember to read. All participants had jumped from an aircraft
[50:05] parked on the ground from an average of half a
[50:07] meter. And as the authors noted, one should be cautious
[50:12] in extrapolating their findings to real-world high-altitude jumps. We might
[50:18] laugh at this silly study, but it stops being funny
[50:21] when you realize we're doing something very similar in psychiatry
[50:24] today. Fast forward to 2025, a study in the American
[50:29] Journal of Medicine compared how long antidepressants were studied in
[50:32] the randomized trials we rely on compared to how long
[50:35] people actually take them. The median duration of the trials
[50:40] was eight weeks. meaning that most participants are only going
[50:44] to be on these drugs for two months. And the
[50:47] median duration of real world use in the US Five
[50:51] years. So we're using short-term evidence to guide long-term treatment.
[50:58] And that gap matters, especially when it comes to dependence
[51:01] and withdrawal. Yeah. So you can already see where this
[51:06] is going, that they have no idea how bad these
[51:09] things are if you want to get off of them.
[51:12] Since 1997, SSRI withdrawal has been described as mostly mild
[51:17] abuse. self-limiting, lasting a week or two, mentioning only a
[51:21] handful of the more than 80 reported symptoms. That's what
[51:27] the guidelines say. because they're based on short-term trials far
[51:31] from reality. So what happens in practice? People who've been
[51:35] on these drugs for years decades are tapered off as
[51:40] if they've been taking them for months. often by aggressively
[51:45] halving the dose, halving again and then stopping. And when
[51:48] that goes wrong, which it often does, They call it
[51:52] a relapse of an underlying condition. Conclusion, you still need
[51:56] the medication. So back on the drug, symptoms resolve and
[52:00] the therapeutic illusion is complete. It looks like the drug
[52:04] is treating an underlying illness, when in fact it might
[52:09] be just relieving withdrawal. But before we conclude a relapse,
[52:13] which of course could be the case, withdrawal has to
[52:16] be ruled out first. All right, so what are some
[52:18] of these symptoms? What's confusing is that withdrawal from psychiatric
[52:23] drug isn't just physical symptoms. It's not just dizziness, nausea,
[52:28] headaches, muscle pain, shaking, burning sensations, fatigue. I mean, it's
[52:32] that too. But it's also anxiety. Insomnia, irritability. Depressed mood,
[52:38] mood swings, brain fork, difficulty concentrating, intrusive thoughts. Withdrawal can
[52:44] limit relapse. or new diagnosis for which there are also
[52:49] drugs. The symptoms overlap. And if you don't recognize withdrawal,
[52:54] you will misinterpret it. SSRIs are definitely not harder to
[52:58] quit than heroin, says producer Tim. That's only a commentary
[53:01] on heroin, not on SSRIs. They're incredibly difficult to quit.
[53:05] The long and short of it is you go incredibly
[53:08] crazy in sort of a bipolar mood swing kind of
[53:11] way for the duration of your withdrawal, which is about
[53:13] a month. Medical best practice. is to very precisely titrate
[53:18] off the dose over a span of several months. But
[53:21] again, I found out the hard way. A lot of
[53:23] doctors just don't know what they're supposed to do. Final
[53:26] clip, which tells you the story that we already know
[53:28] from these, from previous medications. And we've been here before,
[53:34] historically. We start with benzodiazepines. introduced first as safe and
[53:38] effective with minimal concern of dependence until decades later dependence
[53:42] and severe withdrawal became undeniable. Then we saw it again
[53:47] with opioids, again aggressively marketed as safe and effective for
[53:50] chronic pain until we had an epidemic. The pattern is
[53:55] the same. A new drug is introduced, framed as safe
[53:59] and effective, gets widely prescribed. Then people start having trouble
[54:03] coming off it. Then research begins to confirm what patients
[54:07] are experiencing. But that research is pushed aside, ignored, because
[54:11] it challenges the prevailing paradigm. It's textbook paradigm shift from
[54:15] Thomas Kuhn. 1962 classic. So prescribing continues. And recognition comes
[54:22] years, often decades later. And then the cycle repeats with
[54:26] new safe and effective drought until we understand this. The
[54:31] body doesn't care what we call the drug or what
[54:34] receptors it acts on. It's just the depths. Setting the
[54:38] stage for withdrawal and dependence. Help! There it is. uh
[54:44] i like the fact that we at least got one
[54:46] person off or at least to consider it You know,
[54:49] some couple years ago, Francine Hardaway sent a note in.
[54:53] Oh, goodness. Dame Francine. We haven't heard from Dame. Francine
[54:57] in Eons. I stay in touch with her. Oh, good.
[55:02] How's she doing? She's writing a lot. She has a
[55:07] substance. She writes these personal anecdotes and she's got about
[55:14] a book's worth of material. Oh, wow. Does she still
[55:17] listen to the show? I doubt it. So what did
[55:21] she have to say? Oh, she said these things are
[55:24] the worst. You can't get off them. Yeah. Well, you
[55:28] can, apparently, but it's not easy. It's not easy. *Sigh*
[55:35] Well, maybe we'll save one more person, John. You know,
[55:38] there is a presentation floating around on YouTube. And I'll
[55:43] try to get it, dig it up and... Clip it.
[55:47] Get it to the show notes of all these different
[55:49] drugs from Darvon to Quaaludes, one thing after another. I
[55:55] think there's like the top. 25 drugs that have been
[55:57] taken off the market. And the underlying theme is, well,
[56:02] they had some data, but they kept it to themselves.
[56:07] It's like a theme. The drug companies say, it's like,
[56:10] now you have to wonder. what the deal is with
[56:15] some of these drugs. Are doctors being, is there evidence
[56:19] that doctors are bribed? I mean, the pediatric doctors are
[56:22] totally bribed to vex up the kids. Well, they also.
[56:25] Or they kick you out of a practice. Well, no,
[56:27] this system is clear. The drug goes to all those
[56:32] people on the review team who Kennedy has fired. and
[56:37] replace their former farmer people. I'm talking about at the
[56:41] street level. Are doctors being paid off to prescribe drugs?
[56:48] No, but listen. This is what I'm saying. The first
[56:51] part is... It goes to the FDA, the FDA has
[56:55] the shield. The SHIELDS goes, yep, it looks good to
[56:57] me. I mean, whatever you show me, I don't want
[57:00] to see anything else. That's good. Then it gets a
[57:02] safe and effective approval. Then the reps go to the
[57:05] doctors and they say, safe and effective, would you like
[57:08] to buy some? Would you like to serve this to
[57:10] your patients? And here's a set of golf clubs. And
[57:14] here's a speed. We all saw the doctor. documentary. And
[57:18] here's a party and here's a cruise and, you know,
[57:21] et cetera, et cetera. Because they've been told it's safe
[57:23] and effective. Their butts are covered by the FDA. The
[57:26] whole system is crooked. And I think RFK Jr. is
[57:30] doing something here. It does seem like he's creating some
[57:34] awareness through a podcast. Yay! because you're not going to
[57:40] see it on CNN, who live by this stuff. That's
[57:43] the other part of it. So yeah, so the doctors.
[57:47] They have, what is it, what is the term? Wait,
[57:55] culpab- uh, uh... about culpability. They- I don't know. Yes,
[58:02] you do. There's a term that says, I... Liability? Indemnification?
[58:09] Are we talking about... No, no. Where you have a
[58:13] way to show that you couldn't have known because you
[58:15] had... Oh yeah, right. Plausible deniability. Plausible deniability. Thank you.
[58:20] There you go. Boomer moment for both of us. Yes.
[58:23] Not for me. Okay. For me then. Boomer adjacent moment.
[58:29] Plausible deniability. Yeah, it's sick. It's sick, I tell you.
[58:33] Sick. Sick, sick, sick. Well, it is bad. Yeah. All
[58:37] right, let's get to politics. Woo! Because big news. In
[58:42] the UK? Yeah. Yeah, this was great. Yeah, the UK,
[58:48] the labor, and the preface to these, I only have
[58:51] three clips, but you don't need that much of it
[58:53] to understand what's going on. The election took place. The
[58:56] council elections. This was live on television. Yeah, it was
[59:01] the little boys. The little local elections, yes. and that
[59:05] labor just ate it. And now everyone's predicting that both
[59:09] labor and the conservatives, they, conservatives, did not do well.
[59:13] Nope. Nope. parties. Maybe going the way of the dodo,
[59:21] and maybe these new parties will be coming up, especially
[59:25] led by Farage's operation. Yeah, the Reform Party. Yeah, which
[59:31] he started because he basically quit the other one. What
[59:35] was the one he started before? What was it called?
[59:37] He had another party. Wasn't it the Brexit party? Wasn't
[59:40] that the Brexit party? No, no, it was UK. It
[59:43] was something that had some jazzy sound to it. It
[59:46] was very similar to the Reform Party, but it was
[59:48] different. And he had to quit it because there were
[59:50] too many nut balls that had joined it. It happens.
[59:54] Yeah, so he just started a new party. which has
[59:57] done quite well. But let's play what's happening here. There's
[1:00:01] election shift BBC. The beleaguered British Prime Minister Keir Starmer
[1:00:05] has again insisted he isn't going anywhere following the disastrous
[1:00:09] results for his governing Labour Party in English local elections
[1:00:13] and the devolved parliamentary votes in Scotland and Wales. I
[1:00:17] think we have to set out the path ahead, and
[1:00:20] that's what I intend to do in coming days, how
[1:00:23] we rebuild, how we convince people about hope for the
[1:00:27] future, and we haven't done enough of that. So I
[1:00:30] will be setting that out with clarity about my convictions
[1:00:35] and my values. What drives me forward on this? Keir
[1:00:39] Starmer has now invited two veteran Labour politicians to help
[1:00:42] rebrand his premiership, including the former Prime Minister Gordon Brown.
[1:00:47] But some MPs within the party are continuing to call
[1:00:49] for him to set a timetable for his departure after
[1:00:52] Labour suffered huge losses, mainly to the right-wing populist. Reform
[1:00:57] Party. Our UK political correspondent Rob Watson says it's a
[1:01:01] seismic shift in party allegiances. The more I've reflected on
[1:01:05] it overnight, Alex, the bigger and the more significant it
[1:01:08] seems because it really does seem as though the old
[1:01:10] order has crumbled and a new order is taking shape.
[1:01:15] And I rate it up there as... being as significant,
[1:01:17] this ending of the duopoly of conservatives and labor with
[1:01:20] the creation of the welfare state after the Second World
[1:01:23] War in 1945, with the Suez Crisis in the 1950s,
[1:01:27] where Britain ceased to be an imperial power after its
[1:01:30] humiliation, Mrs. Thatcher coming to power in 1979, and the
[1:01:34] Brexit vote. I think it is that. big, it's that
[1:01:37] significant. And while it's true that the Labour Party is
[1:01:40] flirting with that and will no doubt get rid of
[1:01:42] Keir Starmer in the not too distant future, well certainly
[1:01:45] between now and the next election. It was the UK
[1:01:48] Independence Party. Right. I looked it up too. UKIP. Yeah.
[1:01:54] UKIP. Yeah, and then they became nutty, and so he
[1:01:58] bailed out. After they tried to kill him. Remember they
[1:02:02] tried to kill him? The plane crash? Yeah, the plane
[1:02:05] crash. Oh, the plane crash. Right, right, right. Yeah, yeah,
[1:02:09] yeah. Of course, they always try to kill these people.
[1:02:11] Yeah. The Gandhi's clip to. The facts that's driving this
[1:02:15] are just. unlikely to go away. And there are three,
[1:02:18] and they're not unique to Britain. The first one is
[1:02:20] the economic squeeze. I mean, a lot of this anger
[1:02:22] is driven by voters feeling that they're living standards. Oh,
[1:02:25] really? That's the only thing? Really? That's all that it
[1:02:28] is? That's just one. Okay. All right. All right. All
[1:02:31] right. It's a falling that wide about housing and the
[1:02:33] economic forecast for the next decade suggests. Britain is not
[1:02:37] going to grow, so that's number one. Number two is
[1:02:40] just Keir Starmer's own personal unpopularity. He is so unpopular.
[1:02:45] I mean, it is just extraordinary. It's almost off the
[1:02:48] scale. No politician has ever come back from that. And
[1:02:51] then the third one is what you might call culture,
[1:02:54] values, issues, identity issues. And that is the anger that's
[1:02:57] out there in Britain, as in so many other countries,
[1:03:00] about immigration, social cohesion, multiculturalism, how you treat British history.
[1:03:06] And that, again, does not look like dissipating. Oh, did
[1:03:09] they not bring in the Mandelson-Epstein? No, no. That was
[1:03:14] the big deal in Parliament. Yeah, but that wasn't the
[1:03:18] reason people voted these guys out. I don't think the
[1:03:23] British public at large gives a shit about any of
[1:03:26] it. In fact, when I talked to Orlowski about it,
[1:03:29] he still thinks that Mandelson was still calling the shots
[1:03:33] at 10 Downing from the get-go. continue to do so
[1:03:37] after they fired him. Wouldn't surprise me. That's Andrew Orlowski
[1:03:41] from The Register. Friend of the show. No, he's not
[1:03:44] at the register. He's with the London Telegraph now. Oh,
[1:03:49] really? Oh, he's moved up a notch. He's been writing
[1:03:53] for the Telegraph for about six, seven years. That's a
[1:03:56] respectable paper. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So friend of the show,
[1:04:01] F-O-F-S, F-O-T-S. Friend of the show. He does listen too.
[1:04:05] He will have heard me say this. Friend of the
[1:04:07] show, F-O-T-S, FOTS. So he says that that's what he
[1:04:14] claims that, you know, that this Mendelssohn guy is still.
[1:04:17] In play, and I'm thinking, I don't think so, but
[1:04:19] okay. Well, what do we know? He's boots on the
[1:04:22] ground. He's living there. Yeah, I know. He's been right
[1:04:25] most of the time, but I'm not buying that one.
[1:04:27] Let's go with the last clip. One of the key
[1:04:29] policies of the Reform Party, which came out as the
[1:04:32] biggest winner in the elections in England, is to combat
[1:04:35] illegal immigration. The UK Home Office says over the past
[1:04:39] eight years, 200,000 migrants reached England illegally by crossing the
[1:04:44] Channel in small boats. You know what kills me? Because
[1:04:47] I lived in England. They lock up your pets. for
[1:04:53] six months minimum. Yeah, if you try to bring a
[1:04:55] dog to England, you might as well just... forget it.
[1:04:58] Yes, for six months, 18 months, they lock up your
[1:05:02] dog because, oh, he might have rabies. He might have
[1:05:05] rabies. But, hey, it's illegal. They got no rabies. You
[1:05:09] know what I mean? No hanta, no nothing. Despite efforts
[1:05:13] to stop the boats, including a recent $800 million deal
[1:05:17] with France, The UK says the number of people making
[1:05:19] the journey has continued to rise. James Wattas has sent
[1:05:23] us this report. The town of Middelkerke represents a step
[1:05:28] change when you cross the border on the northern coast
[1:05:30] from France into Belgium. It's an affluent area and the
[1:05:35] locals here are facing a problem that really is new
[1:05:38] to them. Small boat migrant crossings. The West Flanders Deputy
[1:05:42] Police Chief, Christian de Ridder, is keen to nip it
[1:05:45] in the bud. We have to stop them before they
[1:05:48] get to the UK. And we have to find a
[1:05:50] way to stop them on the water. If we could
[1:05:52] put on a naval barrier so they don't get into
[1:05:56] French water, everything will stop. - I don't have any
[1:06:01] more clips, but it goes on and on with all
[1:06:03] these guys that are going across the English Channel. I
[1:06:07] don't understand how you can go across the English Channel
[1:06:09] in a small boat. I took the Dunkirk Ferry probably
[1:06:13] twice. Yeah, it's bumpy. in the olden days, in like
[1:06:18] the 70s. And then, you know, then they went to
[1:06:21] a hovercraft, which was cool, a great way to get
[1:06:23] across. And then, of course, there's the channel, which is
[1:06:26] the way to go. But... That's the most sickening ride
[1:06:31] I've ever had on a boat. Yeah. It churns, it
[1:06:35] bounces around. I don't know how a little boat can
[1:06:38] go across. the English Channel. Well, that really depends on
[1:06:40] weather conditions. Well, yeah, I guess they look for the
[1:06:43] right day to do it, but it's not a short
[1:06:46] trip either. You'll recall that the Brits in World War
[1:06:49] II, I think it was World War II. They, all
[1:06:52] these, you know, like hundreds, maybe thousands of small boats.
[1:06:56] cast off from Britain to go pick up the troops
[1:06:59] who were locked. and surrounded by the Germans. in France
[1:07:05] and they picked them up and they sailed them all
[1:07:06] back. And these were tiny little dinghies and all kinds
[1:07:10] of rowboats. I don't know what kind of stuff they
[1:07:11] were doing. I don't think they were always that small.
[1:07:13] They were small. They were small boats. I know they
[1:07:15] went to do that. Yeah. flown over the English channel
[1:07:20] many times smooth as glass. Yeah, well, if you fly
[1:07:24] over. Well, but 5,000 feet, you know, been to Cessna.
[1:07:27] I'm looking down. I'm like, oh, that's pretty nice. If
[1:07:31] anything... What do you mean, ugh, please? That is a
[1:07:34] rough go getting across that channel. It is not. It
[1:07:37] can be. people who swim across the channel. Lunatics. -
[1:07:45] I do have... I do have two quick quotes here.
[1:07:51] From Nigel Farage. Here we go. This is the most
[1:07:56] unpatriotic prime minister. we've ever had in this country, heading
[1:08:00] the most unpatriotic British government we've ever had in this
[1:08:05] country, and they're even worse. than the Conservatives in the
[1:08:08] last five years, and they weren't very good either. And
[1:08:12] here he is with a quick prediction. I think if
[1:08:14] Labour get obliterated in the Red Wall and in South
[1:08:17] Wales... And in Scotland, then, yeah, he'll be gone by
[1:08:20] the end of May because the backbench will move against
[1:08:22] him. End of May? End of May. End of May
[1:08:24] is what he's saying. I had to throw in a
[1:08:26] little aside here. Okay. We picked up on Nigel Farage
[1:08:30] as a character of importance. Early on. Early on, a
[1:08:35] decade ago, well, it was 2009, probably. 150 years ago.
[1:08:40] Yeah, it was a long time ago. And we got
[1:08:42] grief from various reasons. Oh, yeah. UK listeners. Yeah, they
[1:08:49] told us, he's an idiot, he's no good, and we
[1:08:52] were like... He's not going to cut you. You're wasting
[1:08:54] your time following this guy's career. You guys are off
[1:08:57] the mark. Spiking the ball? Is that what you're doing
[1:09:00] here? Yeah. I'm spiking the ball without a we told
[1:09:06] you so. But it's like... It's just like, this is
[1:09:10] typical of this show. Yes. We're on it. People hate
[1:09:15] us. That's what I'm trying to say. People hate us
[1:09:16] for years. For some reason, they still... still listen. And
[1:09:20] then later they say, Hey man, thanks for saving my
[1:09:22] life. But donate? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Value for value,
[1:09:28] people. Remember these valuable lessons. So I picked up clip
[1:09:34] which is has luckily it's only a minute because the
[1:09:36] guy's kind of insufferable George Galloway George Galloway is totally
[1:09:41] insufferable. But it's worth it in this case because he's
[1:09:46] on to something that's going on with Keir Starmer. And
[1:09:49] Galloway, now he used to be a politician. Was he
[1:09:52] labor? I think he was labor. He must have been
[1:09:54] labor. Socialist. Or a communist. Commie. He's a communist, basically.
[1:09:59] Yeah, and I think he became a columnist. Is he
[1:10:01] a columnist for The Guardian or something? Well, he was
[1:10:02] on Big Brother. It was all downhill from there. um
[1:10:07] so yeah he's a he's no longer a columnist john
[1:10:10] he's what everybody else is a youtuber He has what
[1:10:14] he thinks is a podcast because he's basically a YouTuber.
[1:10:17] And here he is. No. Part of the British media
[1:10:20] is covering the fact that at the end of this
[1:10:23] month, three Ukrainian rent boys are on trial for allegedly
[1:10:31] arsoning the British Prime Minister Keir Starmer. Is that British?
[1:10:35] Can you say arsoning as like a verb? Arsoning? Like
[1:10:40] lighting somebody on fire? Yeah, arsoning. Is that a verb?
[1:10:45] I thought arson was just... Well, maybe it is. Isn't
[1:10:49] it an adverb? No. Arsening. I've never heard of... Well,
[1:10:53] let's look it up. Just type it into the browser.
[1:10:56] It'll tell you. Okay. I never heard the usage, that
[1:11:00] usage before. Let me see. Hey, book of knowledge. Is
[1:11:03] arsoning, can you say someone was arsoning someone else? It's
[1:11:10] a widely recognized term that may be misspelling or a
[1:11:13] variation of arsenic. Poisoning. Yeah. Arsening is a real verb
[1:11:19] form mainly used in India. You can say someone was
[1:11:21] arsening a building. Most people just say committing arson, though.
[1:11:25] See, that's different than this. This definition is widely recognized.
[1:11:34] which is a misspelling or a variation of arsenic. It
[1:11:38] does have a specific definition. Blah, blah, blah. It goes
[1:11:41] on. Okay. All right. Back to the clip then, because
[1:11:44] this is getting fun. Rent boys, massage artists, male models,
[1:11:48] every one of them a Ukrainian, is charged with arsoning
[1:11:53] two separate residences, two separate vehicles. If this were happening
[1:11:58] to me or any other citizen in the land, every
[1:12:01] person in Britain would be fully conversant and would be
[1:12:05] speculating wildly on exactly why these Ukrainian red boys allegedly
[1:12:11] arsoned the British Prime Minister, but not one. News report.
[1:12:17] has occurred into the extraordinary circumstances of a serving British
[1:12:22] Prime Minister being singled out for reasons we know not
[1:12:26] why. Allegedly by three Ukrainian rent boys. And very pretty
[1:12:30] boys. The men are pleading not guilty. They may very
[1:12:33] well be innocent, but they may very well have to
[1:12:36] be cross-examined. But by the end of the trial, we'll
[1:12:39] know one whole lot more about just what they had
[1:12:43] held against the British Prime Minister. That's horrible. But... I
[1:12:47] can't talk like that if I wanted to. Now, so
[1:12:52] the press has started to pick up on it. They
[1:12:54] don't call them rent boys. But there is a story.
[1:12:59] The trial of three men accused of conspiring to commit
[1:13:01] arson against two properties and... This is proper. Conspiring to
[1:13:06] commit arson, not arsoning them. A vehicle linked to the
[1:13:09] Prime Minister has started today at the Old Bailey. Now
[1:13:12] the three defendants, two Ukrainians and a Romanian, appeared in
[1:13:16] the... this morning and they are Roman Lavrinovich, a 22-year-old,
[1:13:21] Petro Potranok, who's 35, and the 27-year-old Stanislav Karpuik. Now,
[1:13:27] they have been charged with conspiring to commit arson and
[1:13:30] Roman Lavrinovich is also facing two further charges of committing
[1:13:35] arson with intent. to endanger lives. Now, all three defendants
[1:13:39] deny all of the charges set against them. Now, listen
[1:13:42] to this. The prosecution here, opened by Duncan Atkinson Casey,
[1:13:46] went through the three arson attacks in turn, starting with
[1:13:50] a Toyota set ablaze in the early hours of the
[1:13:52] 8th of May, and then a residential property. on Ellington
[1:13:57] Street in Kentish Town on the 11th of May. And
[1:14:00] finally, the third arson attack, another residential property also in
[1:14:05] Kentish Town on the 12th of May. They said it
[1:14:08] was immediately clear when the London Fire Brigade and the
[1:14:11] police attended the second of those arson attacks that had
[1:14:15] been set on fire. purposely and that in both of
[1:14:18] the properties where fires had been started smoke and flames
[1:14:22] had entered the houses endangering the lives of those within
[1:14:26] them now the prosecution went through some of the data
[1:14:31] and information they had collected on the defendants to build
[1:14:34] the case including Telegram chats locations and images as well
[1:14:40] now there were discussions held between the defendants about these
[1:14:45] arson attacks and there was also a discovery on the
[1:14:48] telegram end-to-end encrypted platform how does that work where the
[1:14:52] defendants were speaking with a russian-speaking telegram account called El
[1:14:57] Money. El Money? The jury were told not to consider
[1:15:00] any ideological or political motivation behind these arson attacks. Instead,
[1:15:07] stating that they were motivated by money, not by any
[1:15:12] political or ideological reasons. There you go. El Money is
[1:15:16] the Russian pimp. And Starmer Stiff the Rent Boys. So
[1:15:23] to speak. didn't pay him. So they decided to burn
[1:15:28] it down. I think Galloway's onto something here. Maybe. Yeah.
[1:15:33] Then that would... Fall right in line with Mandelson Tricks.
[1:15:39] Because he's all about the Rent Boys. Everything is fishy.
[1:15:43] Everything is literally fake and gay at this point. It's
[1:15:46] amazing. So I have a Africa clip. Well, there goes
[1:15:53] the audience. Well, it leads to an Ask Adam. Oh,
[1:15:59] boy. Okay. Now the Africa clip is short. Well, it's
[1:16:03] not that short, but it's just Nigeria. Something's up with
[1:16:06] Nigeria. And I think if you read between the lines
[1:16:09] on this Nigeria clip, this is just... Another attempt to...
[1:16:14] Get a stranglehold on the oil production of Nigeria. Nigeria,
[1:16:19] the United States. Big oil producing African nation. Yeah. Nigeria
[1:16:25] Vance, is that the one we're playing here? Yeah, that's
[1:16:27] the only one I got. Nigeria and the United States
[1:16:29] have agreed to deepen cooperation on security and counterterrorism following
[1:16:33] high-level talks. in Washington. The renewed diplomatic push comes amid
[1:16:38] a surge in deadly attacks in Nigeria, particularly in Plateau
[1:16:43] and Benue states, where hundreds have been killed and communities
[1:16:46] displaced. Chris Iwoko reports from Abuja. A statement from Nigeria's
[1:16:51] presidency said that the National Security Advisor Nuhuri Badu met
[1:16:56] senior U.S. officials including the Vice President J.D. Vance and
[1:17:00] the Secretary of State Marco Rubio. Both sides agreed to
[1:17:03] expand intelligence sharing, defense cooperation and regional security efforts. Discussions
[1:17:08] reportedly focused on counterterrorism and the deteriorating security situation in
[1:17:12] West Africa and the Sahel. where jihadists have been attacking
[1:17:16] in several countries. Nigeria had already committed to tackling terrorism
[1:17:20] and violent extremism in the fight against Boko Haram and
[1:17:23] the Islamic State West Africa province. Well, isn't this just
[1:17:26] about the mines, the gold, the minerals? I think that
[1:17:30] and the oil. Is oil in West Africa? Africa? Is
[1:17:34] that in Nigeria? I believe there's oils in Nigeria. I
[1:17:37] think Nigeria is a major producer, if I'm not mistaken.
[1:17:39] Well, there's also, they're killing Christians! Yeah, that's all happening
[1:17:42] in Nigeria. Yeah, well, they didn't have that in the
[1:17:44] report. But what's interesting to me, this was a Vance
[1:17:48] and Rubio, which they usually kept apart. Hmm. Hmm. I
[1:17:54] don't know what that's all about. It's a contest to
[1:17:57] see who can do better at Nigeria, and that will
[1:18:00] help determine who Trump is going to support for 2028.
[1:18:04] I think Trump's gonna stay out of it. Alright, Ask
[1:18:10] Adam, I'm ready for you. This is it, I'm gonna
[1:18:12] ask you before we play the clip, because it's in
[1:18:14] the... The answer's in the clip. Okay. Because I was
[1:18:17] kind of surprised by this myself. Okay. How many languages
[1:18:22] are spoken on the continent of Africa? Answer the question,
[1:18:35] go! Uh, how ma- Now, first of all, Africa is
[1:18:39] big. It's big. It's big. There's a lot of tribes.
[1:18:44] So I'm going to go. I'm going to bet all
[1:18:49] of my money. in this round of... You're all in.
[1:18:52] I'm all in. I'm all in on this round of
[1:18:54] Jeopardy. I'm going to say... 537 languages on the continent
[1:19:00] of Africa. Or just play the clip. We did a
[1:19:04] series of children, child presenters, 14 of them from across
[1:19:08] Africa. And I'm blown away by how it's not just
[1:19:11] the audience who related to these kids. It's how those
[1:19:14] kids... became fanatic conservationists because they were selected for their
[1:19:20] stage presence to be hosts of a TV show about
[1:19:23] wildlife. So I do think that local relevance and resonance
[1:19:27] with the people on the ground is very important and
[1:19:30] in a continent like Africa where we have over 2,000
[1:19:32] languages we need... people to be telling the stories in
[1:19:36] all those languages and bringing in our cultural knowledge. Wow.
[1:19:40] Well, luckily my fellow contestants were all like 20, 35,
[1:19:44] a bunch of losers. Over 2,000. That's not a tip
[1:19:49] of the day. That is our little factoid that people
[1:19:52] can now use to bet money. This is a money
[1:19:54] maker. Wow, over 2,000. Man. And do you think that
[1:20:01] the one tribe could understand the other one? I'm sure
[1:20:05] there's always some probably one guy, there's a polyglot in
[1:20:08] every group that can speak three or four of these
[1:20:11] languages. He's a superstar, you know. 2,000? 2,000? Over 2,000.
[1:20:15] That's a lot. Yeah, I'd like to see a list.
[1:20:19] That's crazy. They probably can't even call them. They don't
[1:20:22] even have names. Hey, so since you brought up Rubio,
[1:20:27] well, we both brought up Rubio and Vance, and you
[1:20:31] think Trump's going to stay out of it. Very possible.
[1:20:34] Um, Got a couple clips about Tucker. Actually, one with
[1:20:40] Tucker. Oh, after I did all these Tucker things that
[1:20:43] you groused about. Yeah, but I'm bringing new stuff to
[1:20:45] the table. You know, you just bring an old hat.
[1:20:50] Yes, I grossed about it. Did you say old hat?
[1:20:53] Old hat, yes, old hat. Oh, man. Another boomer adjacent
[1:20:58] term here on the No Agenda Show. He had Massey
[1:21:01] on. Again, Massey. uh to complain massie's under a under
[1:21:06] attack yes and uh and that's why he went on
[1:21:09] tucker um and so i have a short clip first
[1:21:12] of the it's the massey disappointment list but Trump's have
[1:21:16] changed dramatically. At least the disconnect between what he said
[1:21:19] he was going to do and what he's doing is
[1:21:21] shocking. I, you know, when I endorsed him, I thought
[1:21:24] we wouldn't have a new war. I thought we would
[1:21:27] get warrants for FISA that they had used to spy
[1:21:30] on him. I thought that Maha would be front and
[1:21:33] center at the... at the HHS with Bobby Kennedy there.
[1:21:39] I thought that we would have sane foreign policy. I
[1:21:42] thought that where we put America first, that's my definition
[1:21:45] of sane. I thought we would end our involvement in
[1:21:49] the war in Ukraine. I thought we would release all
[1:21:52] the Epstein files and indict some of those SOBs. um
[1:21:57] And those are all the things I'm still fighting for.
[1:22:02] Do you think Massey- They're so beast. Is he a
[1:22:04] little blinded by his hatred? Because- I mean, I see
[1:22:10] Maha doing something. I think Maha is doing all it
[1:22:14] can do. It's up against the most powerful forces in
[1:22:19] the universe, in the United States, the big pharma force
[1:22:22] that that owns the media. And are we still what
[1:22:25] is the expected to do? I mean, I'm super disappointed
[1:22:29] they haven't, you know, just stopped TV advertising. That would
[1:22:32] make a difference. Yeah. But I mean, have we not?
[1:22:35] withdrawn from the Ukraine war? Have we not withdrawn from
[1:22:38] that? Well, we haven't withdrawn from it. I mean, we're
[1:22:43] not really in the Ukraine war. No, but he says,
[1:22:45] well, we should get out of the Ukraine war. We're
[1:22:47] not in it. We're selling stuff. I don't know. I
[1:22:52] think he's a little blinded by hatred. I don't think
[1:22:55] he's a hater. I think he's just like, he's an
[1:22:59] ideologue. And he has his, you know, and he's... He's
[1:23:04] kind of a stick in the mud. So New York
[1:23:07] Magazine has a big thing going on about Tucker. New
[1:23:11] York Magazine. I'm telling you, Tucker is a... I said
[1:23:16] in the last show, and I had the clip of
[1:23:18] them, you know, trying to slam him. He is a,
[1:23:21] right now... uh a lightning rod and he's an op
[1:23:26] Here is the New York Mag dude talking on France
[1:23:32] 24, of all places, about this. Last month, Tucker Carlson.
[1:23:35] and the influential far-right commentator said he regretted voting for
[1:23:39] Donald Trump. He made a comment on his podcast during
[1:23:42] a conversation with his brother Buckley, a former Trump speechwriter.
[1:23:47] You and me and millions of people like us are
[1:23:49] the reason this is happening right now. Yes. So... I
[1:23:54] do think it's like a moment. I love that right
[1:23:56] there. You and me and a bunch of other people
[1:24:00] is the reason this is happening right now. Do you
[1:24:04] think that Tucker is the reason this is happening? I'd
[1:24:08] give Marjorie Taylor Greene more props than Tucker. And what's
[1:24:13] his face? Your boy. Yeah. Talking boy. Come on. Fuentes?
[1:24:19] Fuentes! I give him some credit. Well, he now came
[1:24:23] out and said he's a Democrat, which I'm not sure.
[1:24:25] Well, there's that. There's that. But I think, you know,
[1:24:30] for Tucker to spike it, you know, to toot his
[1:24:32] own horn here, like, oh, yeah, well, this is all
[1:24:34] because of us. Buckley? Buckley? Buckley? Buckley? Buckley? Buckley? Buckley?
[1:24:40] Can you get the yardage, please? Like us, for the
[1:24:43] reason this is happening right now. Yes. Yes. So I
[1:24:48] do think it's like a moment to wrestle with our
[1:24:50] own consciences. You know, we'll be tormented by it for
[1:24:53] a long time. We did such a bad thing. And
[1:24:58] I want to say I'm sorry for misleading people. It
[1:25:02] was not intentional. Yes, because people vote based on what
[1:25:05] Tucker Carlson says. It was not intentional. I was too.
[1:25:08] I'm so sorry. Carlson has come full circle decades before
[1:25:13] he became one of his strongest supporters. Carlson had called
[1:25:16] Trump, quote, the single most repulsive person on the planet.
[1:25:20] Now that is interesting. So in the 90s, he hated
[1:25:25] Trump. Then he loved Trump. Now he hates Trump. think
[1:25:29] this guy doesn't know anything. He just goes with whatever
[1:25:32] will get some clicks. or views or whatever. I think
[1:25:36] that that's been asserted. He made that comment in a
[1:25:39] 1999 post on the website Slate. That was just before
[1:25:43] he became a CNN commentator. Carlson later worked at MSNBC.
[1:25:47] Both outlets that MAGA movement today considers as liberal fake
[1:25:52] news. It wasn't until... Carlson joined Fox that he found
[1:25:56] real notoriety on primetime of America's most watched news network.
[1:26:00] Carlson often went on vicious rants against women, immigrants, or
[1:26:04] people of color. For many liberals, charging racism has become
[1:26:08] an almost involuntary habit, a tick that is literally the
[1:26:12] definition of racism. These very same people are the quickest
[1:26:16] to cry racism. Sarah Jong is an angry bigot. It's
[1:26:19] not about Brett Kavanaugh at this point. It's about punishing
[1:26:22] everyone who looks like Brett Kavanaugh. But let's get back
[1:26:25] to the race thing. Race, skin color, racial division, race
[1:26:29] and gender, skin color. Carlson was hyperbolic. Contrarian. I'm sorry?
[1:26:36] He calls it a vicious rant. Yeah, if you take
[1:26:39] it out of context. You could say more entertainer than
[1:26:45] commentator. After all, Fox News once even won a court
[1:26:48] case by persuasively arguing that no reasonable viewer takes Tucker
[1:26:53] Carlson seriously. But today, reasonable legacy media take him very
[1:26:58] seriously. Huh? I didn't know that. What? That Fox won
[1:27:03] a court case and their legal argument that it was
[1:27:07] nobody takes Tucker seriously? Yes. Oh, I remember that. Absolutely.
[1:27:12] That's hilarious. He's a commentator. Oh, yeah. So here's the
[1:27:18] guy from the, he's the author of this piece in
[1:27:20] the New Yorker. For more, we can speak to the
[1:27:22] New Yorkers, Jason Zengerle. He's also the author of Hated
[1:27:26] by All the Right People, Tucker Carlson and the Unraveling
[1:27:30] of the Conservative Mind. Jason, thank you for speaking to
[1:27:33] Scoop. First question, I guess. Could you foresee- Why are
[1:27:36] you O Brothering? This could be fun. You have no
[1:27:39] idea. No, it's just the guy. I mean- For one
[1:27:43] thing, If I'm not mistaken, New York Magazine was a
[1:27:48] Murdoch property for a long time. New York, this is
[1:27:50] New Yorker. New Yorker. Oh, that's New Yorker? Yeah, I'm
[1:27:52] sorry. It's the New Yorker. Oh, that's a big difference.
[1:27:55] Yeah, I'm sorry. I said it wrong in the beginning.
[1:27:58] Yeah, isn't New Yorker part of the New York Times?
[1:28:01] No, no, not at all. New Yorker is a stick-up-its-ass
[1:28:05] operation that's been around forever. They're very serious about themselves.
[1:28:09] No, it's not a New York Times thing at all,
[1:28:12] a property at all. Well, then wait until you hear
[1:28:15] what he asks. to say. Traveling of the conservative mind.
[1:28:19] Jason, thank you for speaking to Scoop. First question, I
[1:28:22] guess, could you foresee this happening, this falling out between
[1:28:25] Donald Trump and Tucker Carlson? Yeah, you could because it's
[1:28:30] not the first time this has happened. I mean, Tucker's
[1:28:33] relationship with Trump has been a bit of a roller
[1:28:35] coaster. or over the last three decades, as you pointed
[1:28:38] out, the degree to which the falling out has occurred
[1:28:42] and the severity with which Tucker is now denouncing Trump,
[1:28:46] I think that's a little surprising. But the fact that
[1:28:50] they've fallen out, I mean, as recently as, you know,
[1:28:53] four years ago, they had fallen out. So that itself.
[1:28:55] isn't necessarily anything new. What do you think about this
[1:28:58] flurry of interest on both sides of the Atlantic about
[1:29:00] what Tucker Carlson thinks? I mean, with the BBC and
[1:29:04] The Economist, we're interviewing him before he had said he
[1:29:07] regretted voting for Trump. Should we be preparing for a
[1:29:10] 2028 presidential run by Tucker Carlson? It does seem like
[1:29:16] he's preparing for that. He seems to be setting himself
[1:29:19] up for something. And I think that, you know, explains
[1:29:22] some of the forcefulness of his denunciations of Trump. I
[1:29:24] mean, look, this has been obviously prompted by the war
[1:29:27] in Iran. And Tucker, there has been one sort of
[1:29:30] consistent thing with him over the past two decades, and
[1:29:33] that is his opposition to America. American adventurism abroad and
[1:29:37] that was one of the reasons he was supporting Trump
[1:29:39] as he thought Trump was an America firster. So the
[1:29:41] fact that Trump has done this, you can see why
[1:29:43] Trump would be angry, or why Tucker would be angry,
[1:29:46] and you can see Tucker viewing this as possibly an
[1:29:49] opening for him to run in '28 and to inherit
[1:29:54] that mantle. of isolationism. Wow, New Yorker. It's bogus. You
[1:30:06] just said New Yorker take themselves very seriously. They do.
[1:30:09] They take themselves very seriously. They write long. The magazine
[1:30:14] is designed for the... thoughtful individual who likes to read.
[1:30:19] The essays in there aren't short and sweet and to
[1:30:22] the point. They're They're more feature links. Well, they're not
[1:30:28] actually, they're pretty well written. The writing in the magazine
[1:30:31] is quite good. Or the editing, one of the two.
[1:30:36] So the stuff is good. They've kind of lost their
[1:30:39] edge with the cartoons, though. They used to have some
[1:30:43] of the more... Oh, didn't they have the... The dog
[1:30:47] on the internet, Nobody Knows You're a Dog. Yeah, that's
[1:30:50] a classic. But they've always had these cartoon editors that
[1:30:54] were top notch. Didn't they fire those? guys and start
[1:30:57] using they lost they lost one of the cartoon editors
[1:30:59] that was one of the better arrogant character i guess
[1:31:02] he got on everybody's nerves and they put in some
[1:31:05] woke uh people to pick the cartoons and if you
[1:31:08] look at their cartoons they're mostly They're lame compared to
[1:31:12] what they used to be 10 years ago. Well, so
[1:31:15] how about this then? Could they be? pushing Tucker Carlson
[1:31:18] to fracture the MAGA base and giving people some kind
[1:31:22] of false hope or throwing stirring the pot It could
[1:31:27] be. I mean, there's somebody, I mean, it's obvious that
[1:31:29] Tucker is part of it, along with Fuentes, who has
[1:31:33] this love-hate relationship with him and Fuentes. He goes on
[1:31:37] about how great Fuentes is in one minute, and then
[1:31:40] he says, I'm sorry I ever interviewed the guy in
[1:31:42] another interview. I mean, Tucker's all over the map. The
[1:31:45] guy's like a drunk driver. The new Woker. Well, then
[1:31:50] this last clip may actually explain what's going on here.
[1:31:56] Megan Kelly, also a former Fox host, she says she's
[1:31:59] a close friend of Tucker Carlson. She said she thinks
[1:32:02] the reason why the New York Times interviewed him was
[1:32:05] because they hate Trump more than they hate Tucker. So
[1:32:09] they were eager to have that opportunity to get someone
[1:32:12] to bash Trump. I mean, what do you think about
[1:32:15] these media? taking the decision to interview Tucker. Does that,
[1:32:19] do they have to stoop to their level or was
[1:32:21] it newsworthy? Because in this day and age, we're seeing
[1:32:23] influencers like Tucker Carlson have perhaps more reach than traditional
[1:32:28] media. Well, I think people have wanted to interview Tucker
[1:32:31] for a while. I think what's interesting is that Tucker
[1:32:33] is doing the interviews. I think, I don't think... I
[1:32:36] don't think Megyn Kelly should be questioning anybody's motives frankly.
[1:32:39] But I think that Tucker... Slam! Look, there are a
[1:32:43] lot of people who have broken with Trump over the
[1:32:45] years, and there's always been this expectation that, oh, this
[1:32:47] is the moment that MAGA is going to fracture, and
[1:32:50] that doesn't happen. I think that's the same thing that's
[1:32:52] going to happen this time. I don't think this is
[1:32:53] going to fracture MAGA. He doesn't think so. So maybe
[1:32:57] they're not doing that. I don't know. I don't know,
[1:33:01] but they're taking him seriously for some reason. Oh, he's
[1:33:06] got a... agent. Who? I don't know. A talent agent
[1:33:13] is getting him these. gigs. I have no idea. This
[1:33:16] whole thing is, it just seems so phony. All right.
[1:33:21] Sorry I brought it up. No, I'm glad you brought
[1:33:24] it up. I have a clip of... I kind of
[1:33:27] like to watch it myself. It's like watching a car
[1:33:30] wreck. I have a clip of Alan Dershowitz. There's another
[1:33:36] guy who, you know, before you play, let me play
[1:33:39] a couple of character assassination clips. Yeah. Because I've got,
[1:33:44] Alan Dershowitz is on the list. Now, I know you're
[1:33:48] going to groan about this, but John Kiriakou. Hey, you've
[1:33:54] had plenty to groan about, Mike. clips today so you're
[1:33:56] good you have free reign this guy he has I
[1:33:59] mean I'm going to start collecting his character assassination clips
[1:34:03] because And he's got Dershowitz in there coming up. That's
[1:34:07] coming up. I've got two today. I've got one on
[1:34:10] Newsome. Explain who Kiriakou is. Just explain who Kiriakou is.
[1:34:13] Kiriakou. Okay, Kiriakou. who is a whistleblower. At the CIA,
[1:34:19] he was both an analyst and became a field agent.
[1:34:23] So he has a broad spectrum of experience with the
[1:34:27] agency. And he refused to get involved with the torture
[1:34:31] program. And he was the only one who didn't want
[1:34:35] to take part. the training or do anything else. And
[1:34:37] he thought it was illegal and he blew the whistle.
[1:34:40] He says in hindsight, what he should have done was
[1:34:43] have a lawyer with him from the get-go because he
[1:34:45] was kind of naive about blowing the whistle. And just
[1:34:48] to explain, this is the Abu Ghraib prison torture. Yeah.
[1:34:55] And so he blew the whistle and got thrown in
[1:34:58] jail for two years. under some charged espionage act or
[1:35:03] some bullshit and he's very pissed off about that but
[1:35:08] Now he's got a talent agent and he's all over
[1:35:11] the place and he's on a lot of podcasts and
[1:35:13] a couple of favorites he likes to do. Does he
[1:35:15] have a book? And he talks too much. Does he
[1:35:16] have a book? How does he make money? Oh, he's
[1:35:18] got, I think, three books. Oh, okay. He's got a
[1:35:21] bunch of books. But he likes to talk and he
[1:35:25] likes the character assassination. Here he is on Newsom. Gavin
[1:35:30] Newsom was a member of the San Francisco City Council.
[1:35:34] Then he was... the chairman of the city council, then
[1:35:36] he was the mayor of San Francisco, then the lieutenant
[1:35:39] governor of California, then the governor of California. Okay? So
[1:35:44] he's... This is a very well thought out plan to
[1:35:47] move higher, higher, higher and become president. When he was
[1:35:50] running for governor of California, he asked his lifelong best.
[1:35:55] friend who was also his campaign manager to represent him
[1:36:00] at a political function. The man did. It wasn't because
[1:36:06] Newsom was busy. It was because Newsom was having an
[1:36:09] affair with his best friend's wife. And they got caught.
[1:36:13] What kind of person is that? If your best friend
[1:36:18] and your own wife can't trust you, why am I
[1:36:21] supposed to trust you? Are you going to screw me
[1:36:24] behind your back as an American taxpayer? So I don't
[1:36:29] like or trust Gavin Newsom at all. Where was this
[1:36:34] interview from? I think he's got this one guy he
[1:36:39] loves to interview with. I can't remember his name. He's
[1:36:42] a podcast, very slick video podcast, very YouTuber. It's well
[1:36:49] produced. It's got a lot of bouquet in the shots.
[1:36:53] The sound is dynamite. Bouquet? Yeah, a bouquet is where
[1:36:57] you have the person in front is in high focus
[1:37:01] and the background is blurry. Oh, beautiful. Yes, beautiful. That's
[1:37:05] hard to do. Yeah, what you need is you need
[1:37:07] certain kinds of lenses to make that look good. Yeah,
[1:37:09] yeah, you do. And it's just too, I mean, the
[1:37:13] podcast is super slick. Anyway, so here he is talking
[1:37:17] about CIA directors that he hates. And he's got both
[1:37:24] Gina Haskell and Mike Pompeo and here's what he says.
[1:37:28] He made a mistake twice in his first term appointing
[1:37:32] very, very bad people. CIA director. Very bad. Like, Mike
[1:37:38] Pompeo? Oh my god. The only person less popular than
[1:37:41] Mike Pompeo at the CIA was Mrs. Mike Pompeo, let
[1:37:44] me tell you. I got that from one of his
[1:37:46] bodyguards. And then Gina Haskell? Wait, wait, wait, why? Why?
[1:37:51] You! Go get my dry cleaning. You! Go walk my
[1:37:55] dog. They're like, lady, we don't work for you. We're
[1:37:57] protecting your husband. We're not going to go get your
[1:37:59] dry cleaning and walk your dog. The other one was
[1:38:02] Bloody Gina Haspel. We called her Bloody Gina for a
[1:38:05] good reason. And that's the person that you appoint to
[1:38:08] the CIA directorship. Why do you call her Bloody Gina?
[1:38:10] Because she flew out to the secret site to sit
[1:38:14] in. on one of the torture sessions just because she
[1:38:17] could. just to sit there and enjoy it and take
[1:38:21] it all in. What kind of sick person does something
[1:38:24] like that? He's probably right. I believe that. Yeah. Yeah,
[1:38:32] we knew that she was called Bloody Gina. heard about
[1:38:35] that. Yeah. Okay, so you think Dershowitz, he's going to
[1:38:39] assassinate Dershowitz? Dershowitz is coming up, yeah. He doesn't like
[1:38:42] Dershowitz. He doesn't like anybody. He thinks that Rudy Giuliani
[1:38:46] should be in jail. He's dying. He's dying. He's not
[1:38:50] going to make it to jail. I agree. So Dershowitz.
[1:38:54] He's kind of on board with our theory about Epstein.
[1:38:59] which you might want to reiterate. Yeah, he was a
[1:39:03] pimp. Literally. uh running a whorehouse in New York, a
[1:39:10] big one for the elites at the high prices. And
[1:39:14] the island never really came into play. he would procure.
[1:39:21] And he would procure underage, but it's also, I think
[1:39:24] he'd probably, I think he also procured gays. Yeah, there's
[1:39:27] no talk of that anywhere. No, it is starting to
[1:39:31] show up. Oh, okay. So Dershowitz takes. And this has
[1:39:37] always been my thing. What are these victims? I'd like
[1:39:40] to, you know, the first lady said, hey, why don't
[1:39:44] y'all go on the record? Victims, tell us your story.
[1:39:46] Victims on the congressional record. So, you know, you can
[1:39:50] talk freely there. Your NDAs don't count. It's okay. I
[1:39:53] don't. think any any Any hearings have been scheduled? I
[1:39:57] don't think anyone jumped up and down to get that
[1:39:59] going. And Dershowitz has his thoughts about the victims. He
[1:40:04] was not a pedophile. I have no information about any
[1:40:09] pedophiles in the Epstein circle. A pedophile... medically as somebody
[1:40:14] who is interested in prepubescent people, prepubescent people, 10, 11,
[1:40:20] 12. That was not his modus operandi. He was interested
[1:40:23] in 16-year-olds, 17, 18-year-olds. That's a terrible thing. By the
[1:40:28] way, it's legal in France. It's legal in many parts
[1:40:30] of Europe. It's hard to say you're a pedophile in
[1:40:34] America, but not in France. Pedophile is not a legal
[1:40:37] term. It's a medical psychological term. So I don't think
[1:40:41] there's a real case for people being called pedophiles, although
[1:40:45] everybody calls them a pedophile. I also don't believe there
[1:40:48] was any trafficking going on. What happened is he made
[1:40:52] it known to. Young people in Palm Beach, if you
[1:40:55] come and give me a massage, you get $250. And
[1:40:58] many of them came back over and over and over
[1:41:00] again, collected the $250, and then got $500 if they
[1:41:04] recruited other people to come and give him more massages.
[1:41:07] And then there was this third category, a very large
[1:41:09] category. of women who never met Jeffrey Epp- never laid
[1:41:13] eyes on him and their corrupt lawyers in Palm Beach
[1:41:17] would go to them and say How old are you?
[1:41:20] Oh, you were about that age when Epstein... Why don't
[1:41:23] you just say you gave Epstein a massage? We'll collect
[1:41:26] $50,000 for you. And they did. Right. So I would
[1:41:30] love to see a thorough investigation. of every single claimed
[1:41:35] survivor and victim and find out how many there really
[1:41:39] were. There were plenty. Yeah, you know, no one's ever
[1:41:42] going to buy into our theory. They are so convinced
[1:41:46] that there's people eating babies on the island. Eating babies.
[1:41:50] Eating babies. And Trump played into that himself in many
[1:41:55] ways. And Q, there's a lot of Q stuff. And
[1:42:00] then children being shipped in Wayfair boxes. We've seen it
[1:42:05] all. But in this case, I think Dershowitz is on
[1:42:09] the right track. That sounds right to me. Yeah, but
[1:42:13] it's not going to help. Now, we got also another
[1:42:17] thing that broke this week's UFO files. I got two
[1:42:20] clips. Yeah, I got a couple things on that, too.
[1:42:22] Let's see. UFO files. All right, here we go. Back
[1:42:26] here at home to the Pentagon, releasing UFO files. The
[1:42:30] Trump administration releasing never before. seen images of unexplained objects
[1:42:34] in the sky collected by the U.S. government dating all
[1:42:37] the way back to the 1940s. Here's Tom Costello with
[1:42:41] those images. Tonight, more mysterious images just revealed. 160 government
[1:42:47] files detailing 400 alleged UFO encounters, including this. infrared military
[1:42:53] video from 2013 of what appears to be an eight-pointed
[1:42:57] star streaking across the sky. Mysterious white and black aerial
[1:43:02] blips that defy the laws of physics. More grainy still
[1:43:06] images of the unexplained, and this image taken from the
[1:43:10] moon by the Apollo 17 astronauts. of what appears to
[1:43:14] be lights hovering overhead. The astronauts later suggested it could
[1:43:18] have been ice crystals. Today, President Trump posted, with these
[1:43:22] new documents and videos, the people can decide for themselves.
[1:43:26] But there are no reports of aliens or spacecraft in
[1:43:29] government custody. Yeah, I saw the website. It's lame. There's
[1:43:36] nothing new there. It's lame. It is lame. Did you
[1:43:40] see it? Did you look at the website? Black and
[1:43:42] white. Black and white all like the X-Files. The best
[1:43:47] thing I've seen recently in terms of grainy black and
[1:43:51] white stuff is the... WikiLeaks moon outtakes. Have you seen
[1:43:56] this? Moon outtakes? What is this? Outtakes. WikiLeaks have found
[1:44:00] a file of the moon landing that you're always saying
[1:44:04] is a fake. Yes. outtakes showing it was being filmed
[1:44:09] as it was being filmed in the arizona or the
[1:44:11] now i'm sorry the Nevada desert. Okay. And they have
[1:44:15] the same guys that got Neil Armstrong and they got
[1:44:17] the whole thing. It's like very, right up your alley.
[1:44:22] I'm surprised you didn't see it. I may have seen
[1:44:24] it, but there's so much. No, no, you would have
[1:44:26] remembered it. Believe me, it's long. Okay, I have to
[1:44:29] look for that. But it's like, yeah. You know, everything
[1:44:34] on the internet is AI. Who knows? I don't know.
[1:44:36] I don't know anymore. We absolutely can't. Yeah, well, I
[1:44:39] think that's a good point. Here's UFO files too. Many
[1:44:42] leading astrophysicists remain skeptical. Just because you see something and
[1:44:46] you don't know what it is. You kid. Oh, is
[1:44:51] this Neil deGrasse Tyson? Tyson? Yeah, duh. Oh, man, that
[1:44:55] guy. Oh, you know, I am the stargazer. Do something
[1:44:58] and you don't know what it is. You can't then
[1:45:02] say... It must be aliens visiting from outer space. The
[1:45:06] documents date back to the 1940s, including an FBI report
[1:45:10] from an Air Force colonel reporting a... flying disc. More
[1:45:14] recent reports from fighter pilots, this diagram from people who
[1:45:18] claim they witnessed a cigar-shaped object, and a 2023 video
[1:45:22] of three concentric circles flying in unison. I have not
[1:45:26] seen anything to suggest that we've been visited by any
[1:45:29] intelligent life forms out there. But the universe... is massive,
[1:45:33] at least two trillion galaxies and trillions more planets. Given
[1:45:38] the vastness of the universe, it's really hard to imagine
[1:45:41] that life, and even intelligent life, hasn't formed somewhere. It's
[1:45:45] hard to imagine that anybody is visiting us or continually
[1:45:48] visiting us. And Tom, tonight there is a pattern, though
[1:45:51] a lot of these images... coming from military pilots that
[1:45:54] are near or around military facilities or ships. Yeah, and
[1:45:57] that raises concern that some of these unexplained aerial phenomenon
[1:46:01] could include technology that America's adversaries here on Earth possess,
[1:46:06] but we don't, Tom. This is a continuous thing that
[1:46:10] I hear in all of these reports. It might be
[1:46:14] UFOs, but it could also be some great technology, military
[1:46:19] technology from other people, other countries that we don't possess.
[1:46:23] And, you know, I'm thinking we need to have about
[1:46:27] half a trillion dollars extra for the budget next year.
[1:46:32] Yeah, yeah. Yep. So we'll probably get everybody all kind
[1:46:35] of, every report has that, every single one. It could
[1:46:38] also, I mean, it could be UFOs, but it could
[1:46:40] also be some Chinese technology. And if you really... Yeah,
[1:46:44] sure. The Chinese have to still copy our jets. They
[1:46:47] have to find a jet and then make a phony
[1:46:49] baloney copy of it. Wait a minute. Because they can't
[1:46:52] dream up... anything by themselves. I mean, not that they
[1:46:54] can't, but they haven't been able, they haven't done it.
[1:46:57] It could be Russian technology, but are you saying... Yeah,
[1:46:59] the Russians do the same thing. Are you saying the
[1:47:02] UFOs are real? No, I'm not saying that. I'm saying
[1:47:07] what you're saying. What I'm doing is commenting on your
[1:47:10] comment about this. being something of a scam just to
[1:47:15] get more money for the budget. I'm in a roundabout
[1:47:18] way agreeing with you. Okay, good. By saying the Russians
[1:47:22] and the Chinese, they're not, they don't have flying saucers.
[1:47:27] So what we always do with our Department of War
[1:47:31] or... formerly known as the artist formerly known as Department
[1:47:34] of Defense. We bring in our Hollywood guys. Remember the
[1:47:38] timeline. June 12th is not that far away. People coming
[1:47:42] to IMAX. I've always been fascinated with things that cannot
[1:47:46] be explained. What is it? You won't believe me if
[1:47:49] I told you. So I'm going to show you. I've
[1:47:52] made a lot of movies about things that cannot be
[1:47:54] explained, from sharks to saucers. Do you think there could
[1:47:57] be others? When I was just a little kid, I
[1:47:59] remember developing a real curiosity about the sky at night
[1:48:03] and what's happening up there. People have a right to
[1:48:05] know the truth. And also, not the possibility, but the
[1:48:09] guarantee that there is life off this planet. Don't turn
[1:48:14] me on now. People's questions about what is not only
[1:48:17] going on in our skies, but what is going on
[1:48:20] in our worlds, in our realities, has reached a critical
[1:48:24] mass. They're coming! complete fascination with are we alone or
[1:48:31] are we not alone? Starved for the truth. And if
[1:48:34] someone knows we're not alone, why haven't we been told?
[1:48:38] Full disclosure, to the whole world, all at once. Full
[1:48:45] disclosure all at once. This is the entire script in
[1:48:50] movie form. Yeah, we got some guys. Full disclosure. Disclosure
[1:48:55] Day, coming from Universal Pictures. Yeah, the old movie gambit.
[1:49:01] It's so obvious. Now... We've got two guys out there.
[1:49:05] We've got Senator Burleson, who I think is from Missouri.
[1:49:09] We've got Senator... Burchett from Tennessee. I think it's Burchard.
[1:49:15] I think he was on some show. He basically lives
[1:49:18] in his car. What? I didn't hear this. He lives
[1:49:22] in his car? Yeah, he's talking about how he can't
[1:49:26] get a place in D.C. So he's got a bed
[1:49:30] in his office that he sleeps in. and then he
[1:49:33] goes to the gym to shower. Well, he was on
[1:49:36] Joe Rogan. And Joe is a big UFO guy. I
[1:49:41] hope Joe gave him a place to shower, maybe gave
[1:49:43] him a room to stay. You have no knowledge of
[1:49:47] what's supposed to be released because today is Wednesday. I'm
[1:49:51] going to know tomorrow at 3. Tomorrow at 3 p.m.,
[1:49:53] is that when the world knows? No, I think they're
[1:49:56] going to ask me, just give me a little bit
[1:49:57] of it. But I got a feeling they're not going
[1:49:59] to tell me much. I got a feeling they're not
[1:50:01] going to tell America that much. When is it supposed
[1:50:05] to be disclosed this week? Whatever they're going to disclose?
[1:50:08] I don't know. I don't know. If they're going to
[1:50:10] disclose it to us, then it'll be out. right as
[1:50:12] soon as they hang up the phone with some guys.
[1:50:15] So, okay, we know what the disclosure was. It was
[1:50:17] a dumb website. There wasn't anything exciting or new that
[1:50:20] I could tell. But Burchett, oh, he's got some stories.
[1:50:24] He's got some good stories. No, but it's interesting. I
[1:50:26] had that deep throat moment, you know, not the porn
[1:50:29] version. The Richard Nixon moment, you know, where I was
[1:50:34] walking in the tunnel one day and a person came
[1:50:38] up to me. And it's always a friend. It's always
[1:50:40] a friend that does this and said, it was just
[1:50:42] the strangest conversation. And I'll never forget it because he
[1:50:45] said, Birchett, he said, You know, you're really pushing on
[1:50:49] this UFO thing. And I go, yeah. Yeah, I am,
[1:50:51] he said. do you really think we need to do
[1:50:54] this? And I just kept listening. When I was a
[1:50:57] young man, I'd run my mouth and said, oh, shut
[1:50:59] up. But I listened to what he said. He said,
[1:51:01] I mean, you know, this could upset the religious community
[1:51:05] and all this other, I mean, some of this stuff's
[1:51:07] just left unknown, you know? And I said, no, it's
[1:51:10] not. The government has no right to decide what I
[1:51:14] can and cannot understand or handle or see. And to
[1:51:18] me, and every time, Joe. Let me tell you what
[1:51:21] they're going to do. I had a two-page bill for
[1:51:24] disclosure. And Chuck Schumer had one that was 60 pages,
[1:51:28] I believe. And he modeled his after the Kennedy assassination
[1:51:33] committee release, which we're over 60 years into that, and
[1:51:36] we still don't, they haven't released everything on President Kennedy
[1:51:41] getting shot. And that's what they wanted to model this
[1:51:43] dadgum thing after. Mine was two pages long. Of course,
[1:51:46] mine didn't get anywhere. Dadgum. Dadgum. Dadgum. I love dadgum.
[1:51:50] Dadgum. So we heard in there. is uh how this
[1:51:54] could upset the religious community well it did This was
[1:51:58] a crazy story. Two stories broke today and they are
[1:52:01] collided in a way nobody expected. A pastor in Alabama
[1:52:05] issued a public apology to a sitting member of Congress
[1:52:08] over the viral UFO clip. And on the same news
[1:52:12] cycle, former President Barack Obama went on national television and
[1:52:16] told the country flat out that the disclosure everyone is
[1:52:19] waiting for isn't coming. Hey, you Follagers, I'm Christina Gomez,
[1:52:22] and welcome to this episode of UFO News Updates. Larry
[1:52:25] Ragland, a senior pastor of the Solid Rock Church in
[1:52:28] Birmingham, Alabama, claimed in a video that a very well-known
[1:52:32] congressman from Missouri called into a private meeting with pastors
[1:52:35] and warned them that the U.S. government is preparing to
[1:52:39] tell the public that aliens seeded humanity and that there
[1:52:42] is no God and that Jesus and the Bible were
[1:52:45] both inventions of these beings. The clip identified the congressman
[1:52:49] as Eric Burleson. who sits on the White House Oversight
[1:52:52] Subcommittee investigating UAP, and the clip went everywhere. This was
[1:52:56] fantastic. So there's all these YouTube pastors, and they're all
[1:53:01] about end times, and this is it. Look at what's
[1:53:03] happening. It's Iran. It's all going down now, people. Jesus
[1:53:08] is on his way. Here's the clip. that this guy
[1:53:11] put out. sitting congressman, a very well-known congressman from Missouri,
[1:53:34] he called into that meeting as well that was just
[1:53:37] for pastors, and this is what he said. On speakerphone,
[1:53:40] this sitting, powerful member of Congress said, are the pastors
[1:53:44] listening to me? I'm getting chills right now because this
[1:53:46] happened. Wait, hold on. Nobody recorded this? It was on
[1:53:51] speaker? No, no, no, of course not. This was an
[1:53:54] intelligence briefing. You can't record that. No, no, no, no.
[1:53:58] You can't speak or you can. But no one did.
[1:54:00] No one did. These pastors were on the honor system.
[1:54:04] Pastors in the room listening to me. And I said,
[1:54:06] yes, sir, we are here. And he said, listen to
[1:54:09] me. go and tell the church they are not ready
[1:54:14] for what is coming the narrative that is coming what
[1:54:17] they are going to say is going to be like
[1:54:21] nothing you can even imagine they are preparing to tell
[1:54:24] us that they are from another dimension that they are
[1:54:27] our creator and that these beings these aliens, whatever you
[1:54:31] want to call them, they were the ones that seated
[1:54:33] us here. There is no such thing as God. Jesus
[1:54:36] was invented by them. The Bible was invented by them
[1:54:38] and begin to just say, listen, prepare the people for
[1:54:42] what is coming because they're not ready. So... So Joe
[1:54:47] brings this up, but here's what was interesting. There were...
[1:54:50] two briefings. And I heard about one of them. Because
[1:54:54] it took place during NRB. By the way, take clip
[1:54:57] of the day for that last clip. Oh, it's so
[1:55:00] soon already. Okay. Sorry. I'll take it. Thank you. And
[1:55:09] it gets. followed by my getting to say oh brother
[1:55:12] no you can you but this is good This is
[1:55:15] really because Burleson did talk to the pastors. This guy,
[1:55:20] this... Larry Ragland, he had to issue an apology. He
[1:55:25] said, oh, you know, he didn't really say that. that
[1:55:28] all this was coming, that the aliens had created the
[1:55:32] Bible and made up the whole story about God. That
[1:55:34] was my editorial. I should have made it clear that
[1:55:37] that wasn't what the senator said. But it was Burleson
[1:55:40] who spoke to those pastors in Missouri. And Burchett, he
[1:55:46] spoke to pastors. During NRB, I heard someone mention something,
[1:55:52] oh, there's some off-site at an Airbnb, and there's some
[1:55:56] senator calling in. And it did happen. That was Berkshire.
[1:56:01] Burleson was the other one, and here's where Joe brings
[1:56:03] it up to Burchett, and Burchett's like, eh, because already...
[1:56:06] People are only talking about Burleson. They're not talking about
[1:56:09] Burchard. But he did it too. Yeah, the pastor's thing
[1:56:11] that I sent you, Jamie. It's bonkers. I don't buy
[1:56:15] that. So this is a guy. It says his name
[1:56:18] is Alan Dido. It's weird. This was a whole different
[1:56:24] YouTube pastor, not the original guy. Capital D, lowercase I,
[1:56:28] capital D, lowercase I, O. Didio. Didio? After sitting in
[1:56:34] a private meeting with pastors and those connected to these
[1:56:37] investigations, the message was clear. UFO and UAP disclosure is
[1:56:41] coming. Pastors must prepare their people now. Silence is not
[1:56:45] an option. Well, what does that mean? Like, what are
[1:56:48] they preparing the people for? Like, why would they bring
[1:56:52] in... Urban pastors I've never heard of. You think it's
[1:56:54] BS? I do. I think it is. I think if
[1:56:57] he'd have brought anybody in, he'd have brought Franklin Graham
[1:56:59] in. Is this gentleman a pastor himself? Click on his...
[1:57:02] Yeah, well, I mean, he also has a show, which
[1:57:04] is... Of course he does. Of course he does. Oh,
[1:57:08] so his show is about disclosure? The Revival Nation Church
[1:57:12] or something. No, no, I don't know that. This is
[1:57:14] just what these clips are coming around. Can you click
[1:57:16] on his bio, please? Like what it clicks, what it
[1:57:18] says? equipping end time believers for the next great awakening
[1:57:24] oh boy I would warn people that think we're in
[1:57:28] the end times. The Bible is pretty clear about that.
[1:57:30] It says that they don't even, the angels in heaven
[1:57:33] don't even know when the end's coming. I'll spare you
[1:57:38] the long clip where it turns out that indeed both
[1:57:41] these guys spoke to a group of pastors, one in
[1:57:44] Missouri, one in Tennessee. and he's really oh that's bullcrap
[1:57:49] he did it it was definitely birch it And I
[1:57:53] think that these guys are, I don't know about Burleson.
[1:57:56] He may be a little bit deeper into the, we've
[1:58:00] got to get everybody on board because this is fun
[1:58:02] and we can get more money for the military. Birchit
[1:58:05] is probably just a true believer who sleeps in his
[1:58:07] office in his car. I don't know, but he definitely
[1:58:10] did that. And now you bring in these idiots, whoever
[1:58:12] invited the pastors, I'm sorry to say it, but the
[1:58:15] YouTube pastors, the end time pastors, they're out of control.
[1:58:19] They just talk all kinds of crap and then they
[1:58:22] scare people. And, you know, we did a survey at
[1:58:25] our church. Like, what would you like to hear Pastor
[1:58:28] Jimmy preach about? Number three on the list, end times.
[1:58:31] Because everybody's watching this. It's nuts. But of course, if
[1:58:35] you follow the no agenda logic, of military. There's always
[1:58:41] this thing lurking in the shadows which we've been talking
[1:58:44] about for almost two decades. Project Bluebeam. is going to
[1:58:47] be used not as a replacement for real actions. It's
[1:58:54] going to be used the way that Hollywood uses CGI.
[1:58:58] And it's possible there's going to be involvement from Hollywood
[1:59:01] in this as well, where they're going to be using
[1:59:06] holograms. in order to do what Hollywood calls sweetening of
[1:59:11] these false flags. And so in other words, they can
[1:59:13] actually have, when we have, for instance, fake alien invasion.
[1:59:18] where we will have the cabals send all of these
[1:59:22] tic-tacs against a city, against one of our major cities.
[1:59:27] to actually destroy it and to make it basically to
[1:59:32] wreak havoc upon one of our cities. That's always lurking
[1:59:36] in the shadows. Project Bluebeam. It fits. It fits. If
[1:59:41] you want to talk conspiracy, second half of show, Project
[1:59:44] Bluebeam fits like a T to this. And I don't
[1:59:48] know if Trump knows about this. He's like, "Oh, if
[1:59:51] you guys want to disclose something, all right, we'll put
[1:59:53] it out, whatever." whatever we got, some TikTok videos. I
[1:59:59] don't know. Yeah, well... That went nowhere. Yeah, it did.
[2:00:05] It went... I took it right to... Project Bluebeam. What
[2:00:08] are you talking about? It's perfect. I rounded it out.
[2:00:12] I could do the thing about the guy who wrote
[2:00:13] the book and got killed, but I didn't want to
[2:00:16] bore you with that. Yeah, I remember the guy who
[2:00:20] wrote the book. Did you know the guy who wrote
[2:00:22] the book? No, I never met the guy who wrote
[2:00:24] the book. Serge Monsaert? But you know, the funny thing
[2:00:26] is... You know, they talk about, well, the CIA didn't
[2:00:28] contribute to this. The CIA has a database that you
[2:00:32] can look stuff up in. I talked about this five
[2:00:35] years ago. You can look up UFOs in the CIA
[2:00:40] database, and there's a bunch of screwball stories in there.
[2:00:44] It's about the guy in the farm that he found
[2:00:47] the alien spacecraft and he tried to move and he
[2:00:51] was frozen because of some mental trick they were playing
[2:00:54] on him. It's all in the CIA files. A whole
[2:00:57] bunch of these crazy stories and these never come to
[2:01:01] the fore. It's very weird. Only the good ones that
[2:01:05] they're really working on like Project Bluebeam. Maybe. Would you
[2:01:10] put it past our government? Just to finish up on
[2:01:13] a lighter note. Okay. Before we go into the break.
[2:01:19] Uh... So there was a couple of these actresses now
[2:01:23] in Hollywood are becoming OnlyFans women. Couple? A whole bunch
[2:01:28] of them. A whole bunch of them? Like big names.
[2:01:32] And they're making money. Are they cute? Well, there's a
[2:01:39] bunch of big names and the latest one is Jamie.
[2:01:42] I think her name is Jamie Presley. She used to
[2:01:44] be in. The actress can't get work. But I thought
[2:01:49] I would go to the well, because just as an
[2:01:51] example, how much money can these girls make? Uh,

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