# Classic: Can Atheism Deliver a Better World? Matt Dillahunty vs Glen Scrivener

An episode of [Unbelievable?](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/267142101), 21 Oct 2025, 1 h 31 min.

Audio: https://pcr-od.streamguys1.com/the-unbelievable/20251021095321-Classic_TBCS2_Ep6_Dillahunty_Scrivener_2025.mp3?awCollectionId=Unbelievable&awGenre=Religion+and+Spirituality&awEpisodeId=c6f71d50-ae63-11f0-9ac8-61d6a92a86f7

In this classic Unbelievable? Big Conversation, atheist broadcaster Matt Dillahunty (The Atheist Experience) and Christian evangelist Glen Scrivener (Speak Life) clash over the foundations of morality. Is secular humanism enough, or does Christianity uniquely ground human dignity? They test claims about wellbeing, the is–ought gap, intrinsic vs extrinsic religiosity, “cancel culture,” and whether society’s benefits from religion are about truth or simply community. Expect sparky exchanges on the Bible and slavery, sacrifice and the cross, disability ethics (e.g. prenatal screening), and whether objective moral values exist without God. Matt argues for taking the best ideas—sans “baggage” while Glen contends the Christian story birthed our modern concern for the weak and marginalised. 💡 Love thoughtful dialogue between believers and sceptics? Join thousands of curious minds exploring life’s biggest questions with Premier Unbelievable? ❤️ Help us make more podcasts like this. Every gift keeps the conversation alive: premierunbelievable.com/donate. 🎥 Follow for daily clips and debate highlights: Twitter | Instagram | TikTok | Facebook

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