# Risky Biz Soap Box: Why Mastercard is scaling its cybersecurity business

An episode of [Risky Business](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/216478078), 16 Oct 2025, 31 min.

Audio: https://dts.podtrac.com/redirect.mp3/media3.risky.biz/soapbox101.mp3

In this sponsored Soap Box edition of the Risky Business podcast, host Patrick Gray chats with Mastercard’s Executive Vice President and Head of Security Solutions, Johan Gerber, about how the card brand thinks about cybersecurity and why it’s aggressively investing in the space. After listening to this interview you’ll understand why the credit card company spent $2.65b on threat intelligence vendor Recorded Future! This episode is also available on Youtube. Show notes

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