# Intelligence and Subversion in Ukraine

An episode of [The Truth of the Matter](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/214886950), 7 Mar 2025, 22 min.

Audio: https://traffic.megaphone.fm/CSIS9616354555.mp3?updated=1741371594

CSIS’s Seth Jones, director of the CSIS Defense and Security Department, joins the podcast to discuss the impact of stopping U.S. intelligence sharing with Ukraine, whether European countries can fill the gap, and how this could affect peace negotiations. They also unpack the fallout from last week’s dramatic Trump-Zelensky meeting and how it could impact the chances of the minerals deal or a peace agreement favorable to Ukraine, as well as the key difference between economic and security guarantees from the United States to Ukraine. Seth also explains how a U.S.-Russia relationship could shift the global order and previews a new CSIS report on malicious activities from Russian military intelligence in Europe that have affected the war. Events: Russia’s War in Ukraine and the Prospects for Peace Deterring Russia: U.S. Military Posture in Europe

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