# Iowa Archery Tag, EHD Recovery, and Trail Cam Strategy

An episode of [Gun Talk](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/190516844), 19 Sep 2026, 35 min.

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KJ drew an Iowa archery tag — and after botching two shots at a deer of a lifetime on a muzzleloader hunt, he's coming back with a bow and a plan. Game warden Jeremy King and land agent Thomas Allen break down Iowa's EHD recovery, what trophy whitetail success actually looks like for an out-of-stater, and how to set trail cameras that don't lie to you. Also, some stories from the tree stand that cannot be unheard. This Gun Talk Hunt is brought to you by EOTech, Shooting Sports Life, Dead Air Silencers, Savage Arms, Vortex Optics, Smith & Wesson, and Range Ready Studios. About Gun Talk Hunt Gun Talk Media's Gun Talk Hunt, with Kevin “KJ” Jarnagin, pairs decades of experience with today’s latest tools and technology to help you succeed in the field. Whether it runs or flies - no matter what game you pursue - Gun Talk Hunt is a multi-platform podcast that gives today’s hunters a voice in the digital world. For more content from Gun Talk Media, visit guntalk.com or subscribe on YouTube, Rumble, Facebook, Instagram, and X. Catch First Person Defender on the new Official FPD YouTube channel. Watch Gun Talk Nation on its new YouTube channel. Catch Gun Talk Hunt on the new dedicated YouTube Channel. Listen to all Gun Talk Podcasts with Spreaker, iHeart, Apple Podcasts, Spotify or wherever you find podcasts. Copyright ©2026 Freefire Media, LLC Gun Talk Hunt 09.19.26 Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/gun-talk--6185159/support.

## Transcript

[0:00] Speaker 1: I didn't miss once, I missed twice on a deer
[0:03] Speaker 1: of a lifetime that takes a long time to draw for.
[0:07] Speaker 1: I'm KJ, you found the right place. We go all
[0:13] Speaker 1: over this little blue orb, sharing stories and tactics about
[0:16] Speaker 1: chasing wild game. Now, let's get on the hunt. Welcome
[0:24] Speaker 1: in all you Gun Talk Hunters, I'm your host KJ
[0:26] Speaker 1: and this episode is brought to you by Savage Arms, EOTech,
[0:29] Speaker 1: Range Ready, Fiocchi and Shooting Sports Live. Thank you guys
[0:33] Speaker 1: for your sponsorship. It means the world. Today is a
[0:37] Speaker 1: great day because you know what? In all the things
[0:40] Speaker 1: that I drew out here, which is absolutely just one thing,
[0:44] Speaker 1: I'm super pleased to announce that I got drawn out
[0:46] Speaker 1: for an Iowa archery tag. And joining me on this
[0:49] Speaker 1: hunt is going to be Thomas Allen and Jeremy King.
[0:52] Speaker 1: Jeremy King out of Iowa. He is like the premier
[0:56] Speaker 1: game warden in Iowa in my eyes and I think
[0:59] Speaker 1: a lot of other people's eyes. And then Thomas Allen,
[1:01] Speaker 1: super land agent out there in Minnesota. All right, guys,
[1:07] Speaker 1: let's jump into this. Let's get an idea of who
[1:10] Speaker 1: our guests are because it's been a while since we've
[1:12] Speaker 1: had them on. Jeremy, give us an idea of who
[1:15] Speaker 1: you are and what you're up to nowadays.
[1:19] Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm based out of Iowa.
[1:20] Speaker 3: Like you said, I'm in southwest, west central-ish Iowa. And
[1:24] Speaker 3: I've been a conservation officer game warden for, golly, since 2004.
[1:30] Speaker 3: thinking about that a ways back. So a little over
[1:32] Speaker 3: 22 years going on. Besides that, I'm a avid hunter, fisherman,
[1:38] Speaker 3: business owner, and also a land sale agent as well.
[1:40] Speaker 3: So kind of dabbling everything in the outdoors and love
[1:44] Speaker 3: being a part.
[1:45] Speaker 2: Of all that stuff.
[1:46] Speaker 1: What's a land sale agent?
[1:49] Speaker 3: I help folks find recreational land that hopefully they can
[1:53] Speaker 3: use to have some memories that they would not have
[1:57] Speaker 3: made otherwise.
[1:58] Speaker 4: Nice.
[1:58] Speaker 2: All right.
[1:59] Speaker 1: Thomas Allen, what are you doing nowadays? You used to
[2:02] Speaker 1: be in the fishing world. You've been in the hunting world. Now,
[2:07] Speaker 1: where are you at?
[2:09] Speaker 4: Well, yeah, you're right. ICAST is this week, Kevin. Do
[2:12] Speaker 4: you have PTSD by not being there this year or
[2:14] Speaker 4: are you happy to miss it again?
[2:17] Speaker 1: I'm happy to miss it again. Like ICAST was one
[2:19] Speaker 1: of those shows that, you know, as much as I
[2:22] Speaker 1: hated it during the moment when I was in it
[2:24] Speaker 1: because it's, you know, usually in Orlando, it's in this,
[2:27] Speaker 1: you know, July odd time frame. Uh, but, and it's hot,
[2:32] Speaker 1: but you rarely see outside. I miss, I kind of,
[2:34] Speaker 1: I kind of miss the Orange County Convention Center.
[2:38] Speaker 4: I don't, uh, first time in 20 years, uh, 21
[2:41] Speaker 4: years of not going, but I do kind of miss
[2:43] Speaker 4: seeing the people, but yeah, it took a 20 year
[2:46] Speaker 4: career in the outdoor industry and stepped into full-time real estate,
[2:49] Speaker 4: just like Jeremy. Um, I'm doing land sales. So I
[2:53] Speaker 4: focus on selling recreational properties, farms, undeveloped lakeshore properties, things
[2:58] Speaker 4: like that. And I do the whole state of Minnesota.
[3:01] Speaker 4: And as of about a week ago, full time in
[3:05] Speaker 4: North Dakota as well. So. Oh, really? Branching out. Yeah.
[3:09] Speaker 1: Well, good. I mean, there's a lot of land out
[3:12] Speaker 1: there in North Dakota that I'm sure is probably going
[3:14] Speaker 1: to be on the market.
[3:17] Speaker 4: Yeah, hopefully. But, you know, the thing that ties us
[3:19] Speaker 4: all together, you look at what You know, Jeremy does
[3:21] Speaker 4: as a professional full-time game warden, works on the real
[3:24] Speaker 4: estate side, selling land. You're in the gun business. I
[3:27] Speaker 4: was in the outdoor business. The thing that kind of
[3:29] Speaker 4: ties us all together is we love to fish and hunt. And,
[3:33] Speaker 4: you know, that passion really burns strong. You find a
[3:36] Speaker 4: way to make it your business.
[3:38] Speaker 1: You got to find some way to do it.
[3:41] Speaker 4: All right.
[3:41] Speaker 1: So let's get into the meat of it. We're here because, man,
[3:46] Speaker 1: we're going to be preseason scouting. uh, for Iowa archery tags.
[3:50] Speaker 1: This is an archery hunt. Last time Thomas and I
[3:53] Speaker 1: went out there, it was late season muzzleloader with, with,
[3:59] Speaker 1: with shots fired. We'll just say that.
[4:02] Speaker 4: No excuse come home and bear empty handed, but.
[4:04] Speaker 1: We did ridiculous.
[4:07] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[4:07] Speaker 2: I think you had some opportunities, right?
[4:10] Speaker 4: Let's talk about my blind. I remember that during that hunt,
[4:14] Speaker 4: Jeremy and Kevin and I, we all went out to
[4:16] Speaker 4: gather a bunch of materials because the particular deer I
[4:19] Speaker 4: was hunting in field, I was hunting and there was
[4:21] Speaker 4: really no good way to get in there because of
[4:23] Speaker 4: the wind. So we bought, I think I spent $ 160
[4:26] Speaker 4: on fencing materials at Menards. And what did we get?
[4:29] Speaker 4: Some sawgrass out of the ditch somewhere in your public area.
[4:33] Speaker 4: And we made this awesome blind and it worked the
[4:35] Speaker 4: first night and I blew it. But I don't get
[4:39] Speaker 4: the respect I deserve after building that blind.
[4:41] Speaker 1: Well, we had a, I mean, we had a good
[4:43] Speaker 1: plan going in. I mean, it was, it was a
[4:46] Speaker 1: solid plan and, and I'm not going to say we
[4:48] Speaker 1: were never on deer because we were on, we were
[4:51] Speaker 1: on deer and we were on big deer, like fairly regularly.
[4:55] Speaker 1: I mean, really our boots on the ground, uh, Jeremy
[4:59] Speaker 1: like had a, had a wide variety of options for
[5:03] Speaker 1: us to mess it up. And we, we, we did
[5:05] Speaker 1: not let him down.
[5:09] Speaker 3: Hey, as long as you had a good time, that's
[5:10] Speaker 3: all I care about. Like I always tell people, all
[5:13] Speaker 3: you can ever ask for is an opportunity.
[5:16] Speaker 1: Yep. I mean, yeah. Okay. I left this muzzleloader behind,
[5:24] Speaker 1: but we ended up shooting it. And I'm like, okay, yeah,
[5:28] Speaker 1: it seems like it's on. And that gunshot's so wild.
[5:32] Speaker 1: I mean, I can throw out so many excuses, but
[5:35] Speaker 1: oh my gosh. Probably the biggest deer... up into that
[5:39] Speaker 1: point steps out and i blow i absolutely completely botched
[5:45] Speaker 1: two shots like and it's 100 i still remember 132
[5:50] Speaker 1: yards away i had two opportunities blew it ah and
[5:56] Speaker 1: i was.
[5:56] Speaker 4: Like let's make it harder let's make it harder this
[5:59] Speaker 4: time and take our bows why not.
[6:02] Speaker 1: So let's talk about the archery game in Iowa because,
[6:06] Speaker 1: and Jeremy, you can really talk about this because, you know,
[6:09] Speaker 1: last year we could have potentially drawn out, but you
[6:13] Speaker 1: were like, hey, let's give it a year rest. Let's
[6:17] Speaker 1: wait and see how the EHD problems do and kind
[6:20] Speaker 1: of explain EHD and why we have held off and
[6:25] Speaker 1: why we finally, like, accepted the draw.
[6:28] Speaker 3: Yeah, no, that's great. Great thing to talk about here.
[6:31] Speaker 3: We saw three years ago, unprecedented numbers of deer die
[6:35] Speaker 3: from EHD. And the worst thing from that is that
[6:41] Speaker 3: it typically occurs in September and October. The worst thing
[6:44] Speaker 3: for us is 80s, 80 degree temperatures that is in
[6:47] Speaker 3: September and October. It's a terrible time. That's when it
[6:50] Speaker 3: starts really blowing up on us. And I want to
[6:53] Speaker 3: say that conservatively talking to our deer biologist, he told
[6:56] Speaker 3: me in our county alone, that we lost conservatively 3,000
[7:01] Speaker 3: deer to EHD. Then on top of that, we harvested
[7:05] Speaker 3: about 2,500. So when you take a county that's roughly
[7:08] Speaker 3: 30 miles by 30 miles and the north third of
[7:12] Speaker 3: it is really not good deer habitat is farmland, egg
[7:15] Speaker 3: land that has very low deer density. So you shrink
[7:19] Speaker 3: that down to two thirds of that county and you
[7:21] Speaker 3: take conservatively again, 5,500 to 6,000 deer out of that area.
[7:27] Speaker 2: That's devastating.
[7:29] Speaker 3: That is hard numbers for people. So you guys holding
[7:33] Speaker 3: off for a year or two, in my opinion, was
[7:36] Speaker 3: the best thing. Last year, I didn't have a single
[7:38] Speaker 3: report of EHD deer. The year prior to, I had one.
[7:42] Speaker 3: So we're starting to see that recovery. Our numbers are
[7:44] Speaker 3: starting to go up. A lot of young deer, and
[7:47] Speaker 3: you still see those mature deer, and there are deer,
[7:50] Speaker 3: large deer being harvested still in Iowa. However, the age
[7:53] Speaker 3: structure changed with that EHD outbreak, and it typically is
[7:57] Speaker 3: The older deer are more susceptible to it. The does
[7:59] Speaker 3: and even the mature bucks are more susceptible to it
[8:02] Speaker 3: for whatever reason it is. We're also told that the
[8:05] Speaker 3: deer will basically breed an immunity into it. It used
[8:08] Speaker 3: to be an issue in the South, 20, 25 years.
[8:12] Speaker 3: They worked through that process where our first outbreak was
[8:16] Speaker 3: in 2012, where we saw nothing like what we saw
[8:19] Speaker 3: a couple of years ago, but it was still something
[8:21] Speaker 3: pretty substantial. And so we should be getting close to
[8:24] Speaker 3: that timeframe where we start seeing those like ESG not
[8:27] Speaker 3: being an issue hopefully anymore.
[8:29] Speaker 2: If the science holds true.
[8:31] Speaker 1: I hope so. I mean, I, I, that's the reason
[8:35] Speaker 1: why we were like kind of holding off and we
[8:37] Speaker 1: were like, man, it just doesn't, doesn't seem right. The
[8:39] Speaker 1: numbers aren't there, but, uh, this year, this year, it's
[8:44] Speaker 1: still going to be difficult because now we're picking up
[8:46] Speaker 1: our archery equipment and in lieu of an extended range device, uh,
[8:52] Speaker 1: like a muzzleloader. Um, what's, What does success look like
[8:59] Speaker 1: other than harvesting a deer? What does success typically for
[9:03] Speaker 1: a typical out-of-state person look like in the state of Iowa?
[9:09] Speaker 1: Because that's like a number one destination. I mean, it
[9:11] Speaker 1: might not be what the numbers were 10, 15 years
[9:15] Speaker 1: ago when it was really starting to hit its stride
[9:19] Speaker 1: as the number one destination for trophy whitetails. but it's
[9:23] Speaker 1: still up there. I mean, it's still in the top five,
[9:25] Speaker 1: I would suggest. Um, but what does the success look
[9:29] Speaker 1: like now? Either one of you can chime in on
[9:35] Speaker 1: this one.
[9:36] Speaker 4: Oh, that's not like a DNR question.
[9:40] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[9:41] Speaker 3: I think what you would look at honestly is, and
[9:45] Speaker 3: maybe these numbers are different.
[9:46] Speaker 2: Maybe you've seen this.
[9:47] Speaker 4: I read a.
[9:48] Speaker 3: Stat or heard it somewhere that per archery hunters that, uh,
[9:53] Speaker 3: what is it like 10% of our tree hunters in
[9:55] Speaker 3: a life will ever harvest a.
[9:56] Speaker 2: Pope and young deer. And that's across the United States.
[10:00] Speaker 3: And i thought that was a pretty substantial number because
[10:03] Speaker 3: as far as it opened my eyes i thought that
[10:06] Speaker 3: this would be a lot higher than that yeah you
[10:08] Speaker 3: guys should have the opportunity if if you put some
[10:12] Speaker 3: time in and multiple pope and young deer now is
[10:15] Speaker 3: that a trophy to you guys some of you might
[10:17] Speaker 3: be some of it might not be uh You know,
[10:20] Speaker 3: living here, I don't want to sound spoiled. 125-inch deer,
[10:23] Speaker 3: I'm not picking up my bow.
[10:25] Speaker 2: That's just what it is.
[10:26] Speaker 3: And again, it sounds arrogant, but we are blessed with
[10:29] Speaker 3: that side of things. Now, is it, if you put
[10:33] Speaker 3: in a week, two weeks, a month, however long you
[10:35] Speaker 3: all want to be here, October 1 through the first
[10:38] Speaker 3: Friday in December is what you got the first in
[10:40] Speaker 3: of it. If you guys want to stay the.
[10:41] Speaker 2: Whole time, great.
[10:43] Speaker 3: You're going to see a large deer at some point.
[10:45] Speaker 3: And by large, I would say that 150-inch deer Plus,
[10:51] Speaker 3: there should be a possibility at it. Being smart, using
[10:55] Speaker 3: woodmanship skills, that should be an opportunity for you.
[10:59] Speaker 2: Even with our low deer numbers.
[11:01] Speaker 3: I mean, I ran cameras last year and had multiple
[11:04] Speaker 3: deer over 150 or messing with 150 that did not
[11:08] Speaker 3: get harvested.
[11:09] Speaker 2: That are still around. And I haven't put out any
[11:11] Speaker 2: cameras this year.
[11:12] Speaker 3: So at some point, we're going to figure it out
[11:14] Speaker 3: if they're sticking around the area or if they moved
[11:16] Speaker 3: or new ones moved in.
[11:17] Speaker 2: I don't know.
[11:19] Speaker 1: Yeah. It's, it's always, man, it's like this, this lull
[11:22] Speaker 1: right now is like the hardest part of waiting. And
[11:25] Speaker 1: that's why I like Thomas Allen over here. He, he
[11:29] Speaker 1: is a trail cam nut and we're going to get
[11:30] Speaker 1: into a little bit more trail cam talk, you know,
[11:33] Speaker 1: at the, you know, the, the second half of the show,
[11:36] Speaker 1: because I've got something here I want to set up
[11:37] Speaker 1: and get it, get it going. And I'm going to
[11:39] Speaker 1: have to ship it off to Thomas Allen because he's
[11:41] Speaker 1: a little bit closer than me for putting up trail cameras. But,
[11:45] Speaker 1: but let's talk a little bit about the, like the
[11:47] Speaker 1: scouting and, pre-season timeframe, Thomas, that you've kind of, you've
[11:52] Speaker 1: kind of got a good process and you've always had
[11:55] Speaker 1: a good process of, of understanding like when you need
[11:58] Speaker 1: to start scouting and, and if it's too early or
[12:00] Speaker 1: too late, uh, talk a little bit about that.
[12:04] Speaker 4: Well, first of all, Jeremy King, uh, I've got my
[12:07] Speaker 4: calendar right here. Uh, I'm going to flip to August
[12:10] Speaker 4: and it looks like wide open. I'm coming to Iowa.
[12:15] Speaker 4: I'm going to spend some time down there. Uh, we're
[12:17] Speaker 4: going to hang some cameras. We're going to hang out.
[12:18] Speaker 4: We're going to hit the road, uh, talk to some landowners.
[12:21] Speaker 4: And just like before, Jeremy is kind of the, uh,
[12:24] Speaker 4: one of the, well, he is, you know, he's going
[12:25] Speaker 4: to make this trip possible for Kevin and I. Um, and,
[12:28] Speaker 4: and we're going to, you know, we'll take care of him,
[12:30] Speaker 4: make sure we buy him a Casey's pizza or two and,
[12:32] Speaker 4: and do what we have to, but it does. If you,
[12:35] Speaker 4: so Jeremy's right. There is a very low percentage of
[12:38] Speaker 4: successful archery hunters in tag out on a Pope and
[12:41] Speaker 4: young deer. Um, I don't believe in shooting Pope and
[12:43] Speaker 4: young deer. I believe in shooting them after they lose
[12:47] Speaker 4: their antlers. That's what that guy has right there. That's
[12:49] Speaker 4: another story for another conversation. This guy right here was
[12:53] Speaker 4: the last archery deer I shot in Iowa, uh, a
[12:56] Speaker 4: known four year old scored upper one 30. So when
[12:59] Speaker 4: we talk size or standards, I think it's all relative
[13:03] Speaker 4: based on what you're seeing and cameras are going to
[13:05] Speaker 4: give you part of the story. Boots on the ground
[13:07] Speaker 4: is going to give you a part of the story.
[13:08] Speaker 4: I've always been into old bucks. I like I like
[13:11] Speaker 4: a deer that is, you know, a deer that's one
[13:13] Speaker 4: hundred and seventy inches and five year old compared to
[13:16] Speaker 4: one hundred and twenty inch jacked up buck that's five
[13:19] Speaker 4: year old. They're the same animal in their own mind.
[13:21] Speaker 4: They have the same experience or whatever. So, you know,
[13:24] Speaker 4: I'm looking for an old buck. I'd love to get
[13:26] Speaker 4: my biggest ever, but I think I'm coming with the
[13:28] Speaker 4: expectation of making sure I practiced hard because I don't
[13:32] Speaker 4: want to mess it up like I did the last
[13:34] Speaker 4: time we came. I'm planning to make multiple trips down.
[13:37] Speaker 4: I plan on being there in August to hang cameras,
[13:40] Speaker 4: to do a lot of the preseason work. I'd like
[13:44] Speaker 4: to have them up earlier. Work just didn't allow it.
[13:46] Speaker 4: I got a wedding this weekend. I've got work next
[13:48] Speaker 4: week and then work the next week I can't get
[13:50] Speaker 4: out of. So you go when you can. And I
[13:53] Speaker 4: think that if you're willing to put in that extra time, Kevin,
[13:55] Speaker 4: that's the most important thing. Put in the time as
[13:58] Speaker 4: you're leading up to the season. And that means... hanging cameras.
[14:01] Speaker 4: If we're going to sit in saddles, we want to
[14:03] Speaker 4: go prepare some trees. If we're going to put up
[14:05] Speaker 4: some stands, we want to get those stands up because
[14:07] Speaker 4: we don't want to show up that last week of
[14:10] Speaker 4: October and have no trees set up or no stands
[14:13] Speaker 4: put together. So we do have some work to do.
[14:16] Speaker 4: It's going to be a part of the pregame plan.
[14:17] Speaker 4: But once, once you, you know, sweat yourself out of
[14:21] Speaker 4: water and that Iowa August heat, you need to be
[14:24] Speaker 4: like ready for the season to start. So at least
[14:27] Speaker 4: two trips in August for me, Maybe one in September
[14:30] Speaker 4: is like a camera adjustment thing, which we can save
[14:33] Speaker 4: for the second half. Because I'll tell you this much,
[14:36] Speaker 4: what you set your cameras up on right now are
[14:38] Speaker 4: not where they need to be come late September. So
[14:41] Speaker 4: we can talk about that, but it takes time on
[14:42] Speaker 4: the ground. And I don't care where you're going. If
[14:45] Speaker 4: you spend, let's just say anywhere from $ 600 to $ 2, 000
[14:50] Speaker 4: on a deer tag, you want to be successful, right?
[14:52] Speaker 4: If you're not going with an outfitter, you're not paying
[14:55] Speaker 4: for someone else's land and scouting, then you've got to
[14:57] Speaker 4: make time beforehand to get there and check things out.
[14:59] Speaker 1: Yeah. I, I, man, I got no issues with that.
[15:03] Speaker 1: Now Jeremy's like, they like, I love having these two
[15:06] Speaker 1: on because they are like kind of polar opposites and
[15:10] Speaker 1: sometimes on how they prepare. So Jeremy, what's your philosophy?
[15:15] Speaker 1: Show up and hunt.
[15:16] Speaker 2: Oh, you don't, you don't want mine.
[15:18] Speaker 3: Uh, actually, yeah, the deer I harvested last year, uh,
[15:21] Speaker 3: was one that I, I didn't have cameras, didn't run.
[15:24] Speaker 3: I had to stand there. I had trim stuff. I,
[15:27] Speaker 3: I didn't have a, I had a target deer. I wanted,
[15:30] Speaker 3: he put this, he put the, he snuck by me
[15:32] Speaker 3: multiple times. I had some great phone video of him
[15:37] Speaker 3: tending a doe.
[15:38] Speaker 2: At 80 yards.
[15:38] Speaker 3: But when you got the stick and string in your hand,
[15:40] Speaker 3: I don't have a pin for that. And I got
[15:42] Speaker 3: a pin for 25. That's all I got. If it's
[15:44] Speaker 3: under that, I'm usually, I can scare him pretty good.
[15:47] Speaker 4: So I can practice so much that you don't, it
[15:50] Speaker 4: doesn't matter. Like you shoot all year. You're at how
[15:52] Speaker 4: many 3d tournaments and, backyard shooting like how many targets
[15:55] Speaker 4: do you have uh.
[15:57] Speaker 3: One yeah yeah it's a nice one though so i
[16:02] Speaker 3: focus real well i get it i make sure it
[16:05] Speaker 3: works all good and then i with work and everything
[16:07] Speaker 3: else it's hard to go out all the time but
[16:10] Speaker 3: the the interesting part is yeah we do hunt different
[16:13] Speaker 3: and i wanted to touch on one other thing real
[16:15] Speaker 3: quick about as far as a positive maybe on our
[16:17] Speaker 3: deer herd having numbers a little bit lower i was
[16:20] Speaker 3: thinking about this while you're talking trail cameras i uh
[16:24] Speaker 3: I did have a camera, multiple cameras out, but there's
[16:27] Speaker 3: two different properties about two and a half miles as
[16:30] Speaker 3: a crow flies away. And in one less than a
[16:33] Speaker 3: six hour period, I had a picture of one buck
[16:35] Speaker 3: with a broken antler. He's an eight point mainframe eight
[16:38] Speaker 3: with a broken antler on one side. I had a
[16:40] Speaker 3: picture of him two and a half miles away. Like
[16:43] Speaker 3: six hours later, I had a picture of him on
[16:44] Speaker 3: another camera on another property where I was hunting. And
[16:48] Speaker 3: that deer had ranged that far where normally when we
[16:51] Speaker 3: have higher deer density, We didn't see that kind of range.
[16:53] Speaker 3: Like those bucks didn't have to go as far to
[16:55] Speaker 3: find those does. Now those bucks were on their feet
[16:59] Speaker 3: a lot more. So where we find pictures now or
[17:01] Speaker 3: see a deer now, it's off the table where it
[17:04] Speaker 3: might end up at.
[17:05] Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. I, you know what? I mean, that's a,
[17:09] Speaker 1: that's a great segue in, um, let's, let's get on
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[20:45] Speaker 1: while we were resetting because I'm standing up now. I'm
[20:47] Speaker 1: going to do a little project, have these guys kind
[20:49] Speaker 1: of walk me through it. So what happened? You were
[20:52] Speaker 1: in a tree stand?
[20:54] Speaker 2: Is this part of it?
[20:55] Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, this is 100% part of it because this
[20:57] Speaker 1: is story time with KJ.
[21:00] Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know if we want to share this part.
[21:02] Speaker 4: Oh, come on. I mean, I'll share it. I don't mind.
[21:05] Speaker 4: Cause I was a part of it in a weird
[21:07] Speaker 4: sort of way.
[21:08] Speaker 1: You were, how are you a part of this?
[21:11] Speaker 4: Well, let's, let's start with this. Let's start with this. Yes.
[21:13] Speaker 4: We're opposites. Uh, I love Jeremy, like a brother. Um,
[21:16] Speaker 4: we work on the same result that we might have
[21:19] Speaker 4: a different path there and I'll give him props. He's
[21:20] Speaker 4: done way better than me on about everything. Fair enough.
[21:23] Speaker 4: But one thing Jeremy has not learned to do is
[21:27] Speaker 4: hold it while he's in the tree. So Uh, he's,
[21:30] Speaker 4: he's done good. There've been some times where he's made
[21:32] Speaker 4: long sits and he's like, ah, you'll be proud. I
[21:34] Speaker 4: sat till 8am in the morning or, and I think
[21:36] Speaker 4: this particular day, like we crossed the six hour mark
[21:39] Speaker 4: and he was there till after lunch. Um, but there
[21:42] Speaker 4: was a certain point in time, either that day or
[21:44] Speaker 4: the day before I got a picture from him because, well,
[21:47] Speaker 4: we're close this way. And it, it involved, um, I
[21:50] Speaker 4: guess some biological material, we'll say it. And I think
[21:53] Speaker 4: the term he coined was mud fountain. So we're going
[21:56] Speaker 4: to use that word. And I guess when you're in
[21:58] Speaker 4: that situation, a guy's got to do what a guy's
[22:00] Speaker 4: got to do. Write that one down.
[22:03] Speaker 1: Hey, if you, if you've hunted at all, you have
[22:05] Speaker 1: had one of these, like I I'm like all of
[22:09] Speaker 1: our friends, like, Hey, I may have crapped my pants. Like,
[22:13] Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but like, I couldn't hold anymore. Like if
[22:17] Speaker 1: you've been in the woods long enough, this has happened
[22:19] Speaker 1: to you.
[22:21] Speaker 2: I agree.
[22:23] Speaker 4: Like dude wipes with you, Jeremy, like something.
[22:26] Speaker 2: Well, I do. I do. I did.
[22:31] Speaker 3: Except I had an incident that hunt prior to where
[22:35] Speaker 3: I had to hurry and put.
[22:36] Speaker 2: It in the backpack.
[22:37] Speaker 3: And then I took it out of my backpack when
[22:38] Speaker 3: I got back to the truck to put everything in
[22:40] Speaker 3: the tote. And I forgot to reput in my backpack
[22:43] Speaker 3: and stash it again, which then caused a problem when
[22:47] Speaker 3: I have 170 plus inch deer at 80 yards for
[22:50] Speaker 3: hours in front of me and mother nature calls me.
[22:55] Speaker 3: what do you do from the tree stand? You, you mud,
[22:57] Speaker 3: you mud Falcon. I mean, that's just what happens.
[23:01] Speaker 2: Uh, and I didn't have any, so.
[23:02] Speaker 3: I lost part of a t-shirt and while I was detrousering,
[23:07] Speaker 3: my pistol fell out of my holster and hit every
[23:09] Speaker 3: rung on the ladder on the way down. I thought
[23:11] Speaker 3: it was going to shoot me. This is just the
[23:14] Speaker 3: way this will end. The deer stand up, look at me.
[23:17] Speaker 3: And I'm like, well, this is, this is it. Like,
[23:20] Speaker 3: this is how I die. However, after some time, he
[23:23] Speaker 3: laid back down, I got re-trousered, and everything was good,
[23:28] Speaker 3: except he didn't walk by.
[23:29] Speaker 2: Neither did any other near surprise.
[23:33] Speaker 1: I could, like, the thoughts going through your mind during
[23:36] Speaker 1: this episode, I'm sure, is going like, I mean, I'm
[23:42] Speaker 1: going to just jump out of the stand right now.
[23:44] Speaker 1: I can't look anybody in the eyes after this. No
[23:47] Speaker 1: deer is.
[23:47] Speaker 4: Going to look at people in the eyes. I'm going
[23:49] Speaker 4: to just one up him just to touch. Just give
[23:51] Speaker 4: me a minute. Just a couple of weeks ago. And
[23:53] Speaker 4: we've revisited these on occasion. I was out on the
[23:56] Speaker 4: lake fishing and I kind of you know, you kind
[23:59] Speaker 4: of feel like you can get through it. Right. You
[24:00] Speaker 4: kind of get that mindset like it's going to breathe
[24:02] Speaker 4: and sit down, occasionally get through it. Well, let's just
[24:05] Speaker 4: say push came to shove. I had to call my
[24:07] Speaker 4: wife because I didn't have any. cleaning materials in the
[24:12] Speaker 4: boat so i get to the boat ramp and i
[24:14] Speaker 4: did the knees together hunched over duck walk to get
[24:16] Speaker 4: to the truck to take advantage of four subway napkins
[24:19] Speaker 4: that i had and i didn't make it to the
[24:21] Speaker 4: side of the parking lot it was just out there
[24:23] Speaker 4: in the middle of open and everybody driving past on
[24:25] Speaker 4: the road i made eye contact.
[24:26] Speaker 1: With and they knew exactly what was happening in my
[24:29] Speaker 1: life they knew it so hold a second you had
[24:35] Speaker 1: all this water around you're telling me you had all
[24:37] Speaker 1: this water around you.
[24:39] Speaker 4: And I got a thing about that.
[24:41] Speaker 1: It didn't cross your mind to go. Look around for
[24:45] Speaker 1: a second and go, I.
[24:45] Speaker 4: Didn't want to come back to that spot where I
[24:47] Speaker 4: was catching fifth efficiency, baby Ruth floating there. Like I
[24:50] Speaker 4: didn't have time for that. I was looking for fish.
[24:51] Speaker 4: I was having a good time. I'm a conservationist at heart,
[24:55] Speaker 4: you know?
[24:56] Speaker 1: Oh my gosh.
[24:56] Speaker 2: Okay.
[24:57] Speaker 4: Let's get it.
[24:58] Speaker 1: Let's get into trails.
[24:59] Speaker 4: Where were we? Where were we? Oh yeah.
[25:01] Speaker 1: Oh, we got DRL, but that was, that, oh my gosh. I,
[25:05] Speaker 1: I got, we're just taking gun.
[25:06] Speaker 4: I got to compose myself today.
[25:09] Speaker 1: Oh my goodness. Okay. So getting into this trail camp
[25:12] Speaker 1: talk and back on track guys, um, and, and talking
[25:17] Speaker 1: about your setup and everything else. So I have a,
[25:19] Speaker 1: I have a mulchery edge three here in front of me. Um,
[25:24] Speaker 1: and we were going to do a little detective work
[25:26] Speaker 1: on it because, uh, there's some damaged parts on this too,
[25:29] Speaker 1: that were rendered this. Like I couldn't, I can't completely
[25:32] Speaker 1: insert the battery compartment for some reason. It just got
[25:35] Speaker 1: damaged like cattle being a problem. And like the sensor
[25:40] Speaker 1: screen where like the sensor goes off, um, is pretty
[25:44] Speaker 1: chewed up. And then on the bottom of the, uh,
[25:47] Speaker 1: the battery compartment on the face of it, it looks
[25:50] Speaker 1: like someone took a knife and just, uh, I guess
[25:55] Speaker 1: went to town on it. I mean, I want to
[25:57] Speaker 1: hear your best guess on what happened to this trail camera.
[26:00] Speaker 1: Cause I'll write legit. I do not know.
[26:03] Speaker 4: I mean, I looked at the picture. I mean, it
[26:05] Speaker 4: sure looks like it could be a woodpecker. I've seen
[26:07] Speaker 4: those things hang upside down, but I don't know.
[26:09] Speaker 1: Like, it got me thinking about, like, because I had
[26:11] Speaker 1: this thing sitting there, and I'm like, man, like, what
[26:13] Speaker 1: happened to it? How could they change it, like, to
[26:16] Speaker 1: better the experience and not have a camera go down?
[26:19] Speaker 1: Because this thing was running really good. Real crisp pictures.
[26:24] Speaker 1: They've got a lot of features on them, but they
[26:25] Speaker 1: came out with this Edge Pro, and I was going to, like,
[26:29] Speaker 1: are my resident, like, trail cam expert which is is
[26:33] Speaker 1: thomas allen um talking about setting your cameras up because
[26:37] Speaker 1: they've got a lot of features in this one thing
[26:39] Speaker 1: i did notice is the where the woodpecker got the
[26:43] Speaker 1: edge three the sensor area they did a matte finish
[26:47] Speaker 1: on it so it's not as not reflective which i
[26:50] Speaker 1: think that's that's gonna help.
[26:54] Speaker 4: It's interesting one of the things that and this again
[26:56] Speaker 4: this is a a So I can't criticize Jeremy. I mean,
[27:00] Speaker 4: I might try here, but you know, he and I
[27:02] Speaker 4: have a little bit different approach to our camera setup and,
[27:05] Speaker 4: and he's gotten some, arguably some of my favorite trail
[27:08] Speaker 4: camera pictures that I've ever seen. And I know that
[27:11] Speaker 4: he knows how to get them. He, he, he takes
[27:13] Speaker 4: his camera hanging serious enough to keep up with it,
[27:17] Speaker 4: but he knows I'm a little over the top and
[27:19] Speaker 4: he'll make fun of me and I deserve it. But
[27:21] Speaker 4: there's a couple of things that I, when I have
[27:23] Speaker 4: a pack, I have like a little kit that I
[27:27] Speaker 4: take for, for hanging trail cameras. I got a handsaw,
[27:30] Speaker 4: I've got a little pruner. And if I am going
[27:33] Speaker 4: to be on a grass field, I will take a
[27:35] Speaker 4: weed whacker with me. And this is, again, this is
[27:37] Speaker 4: a Jeremy King suggestion. I bought a battery powered weed whacker,
[27:41] Speaker 4: which those things are amazing by the way, half the
[27:44] Speaker 4: weight and it breaks in half. So that anytime we're
[27:47] Speaker 4: going to be in like a grassy scenario with August
[27:49] Speaker 4: trail cameras, like that grass moving, it will affect the camera,
[27:54] Speaker 4: but you need to stay on um and again i
[27:58] Speaker 4: this annoys me i know it annoys jeremy but if
[28:00] Speaker 4: you got 400 photos of nothing you know that or
[28:04] Speaker 4: the grass blowing then then you you know or stick
[28:06] Speaker 4: in front of the camera then you've kind of set
[28:08] Speaker 4: yourself up to a to the batteries up b um
[28:12] Speaker 4: you're not getting the pictures of what you want to
[28:13] Speaker 4: see and if you drop the sensitivity down too far
[28:15] Speaker 4: you might be actually missing opportunities that deer as they
[28:18] Speaker 4: come by so yeah in our case kevin we're lucky
[28:20] Speaker 4: jeremy's our our boots on the ground. If we got
[28:23] Speaker 4: a certain camera that quits working, you know, he's probably
[28:26] Speaker 4: going to charge us a pretty penny and rightly so,
[28:29] Speaker 4: but he can go fix it. Right. Whereas if I'm
[28:31] Speaker 4: here in Minnesota, I would have to drive down to
[28:35] Speaker 4: fix a camera that ran out of batteries or a
[28:37] Speaker 4: branch hit or whatever. And, you know, that's part of
[28:40] Speaker 4: the traveling hunter conundrum is how do you maintain your
[28:43] Speaker 4: cameras if you've got them set up hundreds of miles away? And,
[28:47] Speaker 4: you know, Jeremy can talk about this because this is
[28:49] Speaker 4: a part of a part of what he's into now.
[28:52] Speaker 4: is providing a service for that. But really you have
[28:55] Speaker 4: to make sure that your camera is going to work,
[28:56] Speaker 4: do your very best to have good batteries in it.
[28:59] Speaker 4: If you're going to use a solar charger, make sure
[29:01] Speaker 4: that it's getting the longest part of the day of
[29:03] Speaker 4: sun to put a little extra juice in your rechargeable battery.
[29:06] Speaker 4: And then second of all, trim or third of all,
[29:08] Speaker 4: trim out that area around your camera so that at
[29:11] Speaker 4: the very least you don't have it, you know, all
[29:13] Speaker 4: the junk blown in front of it, setting it off.
[29:16] Speaker 4: That is my, my plan. Whenever I'm hanging cameras here,
[29:20] Speaker 4: For turkeys in the spring, deer in Iowa, I want
[29:23] Speaker 4: to make sure that I don't have interference.
[29:26] Speaker 2: I think that's all great.
[29:28] Speaker 3: One thing I found last year, too, is try to
[29:32] Speaker 3: get the most bang for your buck. I would try
[29:34] Speaker 3: to do some lithium double a batteries on all my
[29:36] Speaker 3: cameras and i ordered it from amazon seemed relatively cheap
[29:40] Speaker 3: it was relatively cheap at the time but i noticed
[29:42] Speaker 3: when i put those in my cameras that the deer
[29:44] Speaker 3: slowly started kind of avoiding my camera and for whatever
[29:48] Speaker 3: reason that brand or something when i opened up the
[29:50] Speaker 3: ziploc bag you could just smell like a chemical smell
[29:54] Speaker 3: that i stored my extra batteries in So I don't
[29:57] Speaker 3: know what was.
[29:58] Speaker 2: Going on with that, but it was weird.
[29:59] Speaker 3: I even went to scent spray down, trying to do
[30:01] Speaker 3: some scent eliminator on them.
[30:03] Speaker 2: They still stunk. So, again, minor things like that that
[30:07] Speaker 2: I had to make an adjustment.
[30:09] Speaker 3: I just buy good batteries now, and name brand probably
[30:12] Speaker 3: is the best suggestion. Trying to skimp, probably get what
[30:15] Speaker 3: you pay for sometimes.
[30:17] Speaker 4: You know, it's interesting, too. I think that if we're
[30:22] Speaker 4: going to get down to being honest about brands, I
[30:25] Speaker 4: don't know that I've seen a difference in performance between
[30:28] Speaker 4: Duracell and Energizer. I think they're both probably as equally
[30:31] Speaker 4: as good, but the best deal I've been able to
[30:33] Speaker 4: find for a trail camera junkie is, and maybe these
[30:37] Speaker 4: packs are somewhere else, but Home Depot has a 36
[30:40] Speaker 4: AA pack. So you can get 36 batteries. I think
[30:45] Speaker 4: it's 21 bucks. It's expensive to buy all those batteries nowadays.
[30:48] Speaker 4: But you get the most bang for your buck on
[30:51] Speaker 4: that package as opposed to going by and, you know,
[30:53] Speaker 4: a four-pack from Walmart. Because the fewer batteries in a pack,
[30:56] Speaker 4: you're going to pay more per battery. And the math
[30:58] Speaker 4: that I figured, that Home Depot deal is the best
[31:00] Speaker 4: one to go.
[31:01] Speaker 1: So are you finding a difference in alkaline versus lithium?
[31:08] Speaker 4: Well, the lithium batteries that I use, and I have
[31:12] Speaker 4: some lithiums for my Moultrie Edge cameras. Um, I've got a,
[31:16] Speaker 4: I also run a slew of tactic cams and anytime
[31:20] Speaker 4: there's a lithium battery, I think that your battery life
[31:24] Speaker 4: is going to be questionable based on the weather and
[31:26] Speaker 4: the conditions. But if I want to take advantage of
[31:29] Speaker 4: a solar charger, you got to have that lithium. And
[31:32] Speaker 4: that's the deal. If you can get a camera put
[31:34] Speaker 4: in a spot, maybe way back in on a property
[31:36] Speaker 4: that you're not going to visit. And of course we're
[31:38] Speaker 4: talking cell cameras here. You want to have service. That
[31:41] Speaker 4: lithium battery is critical to run that solar charger, but
[31:44] Speaker 4: that's the deal. I've got cameras I've had up since
[31:46] Speaker 4: April that are still running at 100% right now.
[31:50] Speaker 1: All right. Let me ask you about this. This is
[31:54] Speaker 1: an external battery, and I haven't used one like this.
[31:59] Speaker 1: I've always been either an alkaline or a lithium, really
[32:02] Speaker 1: whatever I can find at a good price. These external
[32:06] Speaker 1: rechargeable batteries from the manufacturer, How do those play a
[32:10] Speaker 1: role in how you proceed with these? Because this is
[32:12] Speaker 1: coming to you. I'm going to be sending this to
[32:15] Speaker 1: you to set up. I don't know how long this
[32:19] Speaker 1: is going to last.
[32:22] Speaker 4: Excuse me. I would say they're going to be similar.
[32:26] Speaker 4: I will tell you, too, it seems like the batteries
[32:29] Speaker 4: are different, that you don't get the exact same run
[32:31] Speaker 4: time out of each lithium cartridge. So that independent cartridge
[32:35] Speaker 4: is going to make up the difference for what runs
[32:37] Speaker 4: in those batteries. Is that a 12 AA battery pack? Yep. Yep.
[32:42] Speaker 4: So I I'm, I'm curious to know how they run,
[32:46] Speaker 4: you know, compared to each other, but then your time,
[32:49] Speaker 4: in my opinion, and this is take it for what
[32:52] Speaker 4: it's worth. I feel like I get better life out
[32:54] Speaker 4: of the AA batteries in a, in a moderate condition
[32:59] Speaker 4: type situation where if it's super cold, all bets are off.
[33:03] Speaker 4: You never know what's going to happen. Um, but like
[33:05] Speaker 4: if we were to hang a camera today in my backyard,
[33:08] Speaker 4: two cameras, one with lithium cartridge or one with double A's,
[33:12] Speaker 4: I think the double A would probably last till the
[33:14] Speaker 4: first of the year. And you'd probably get three quarters
[33:17] Speaker 4: of the time out of that lithium. Now, the thing
[33:19] Speaker 4: of it is you can just run out there and,
[33:22] Speaker 4: you know, you're only buying those batteries, you know, twice, right?
[33:24] Speaker 4: You got a replacement for each camera. So in the
[33:26] Speaker 4: long run, it pays for itself. And then if you
[33:28] Speaker 4: have the solar charger on there, then you're golden. So
[33:31] Speaker 4: I think the trade-off is spend a little bit more
[33:34] Speaker 4: money on two lithium inserts and a solar charger that
[33:38] Speaker 4: attaches the camera. And you don't got to go buy those,
[33:41] Speaker 4: those 36 packs from home Depot. That is a great
[33:43] Speaker 4: alternative in my mind. Nice.
[33:45] Speaker 1: All right. Well, man, it, it seems like this ran
[33:50] Speaker 1: so quick. Like it really does seem like it. So
[33:53] Speaker 1: we're going to be revisiting this. We're going to have
[33:55] Speaker 1: these guys on. Cause this is a, this is a journey. Um,
[33:58] Speaker 1: Iowa archery season is a journey. This isn't a short run, uh, uh,
[34:03] Speaker 1: get it over with and get back type of situation.
[34:06] Speaker 1: So we're definitely going to have these two back on to,
[34:08] Speaker 1: to talk about how it's going. Um, but looking forward
[34:12] Speaker 1: to the journey with these guys, it's going.
[34:15] Speaker 4: To be a lot of fun. I can't wait.
[34:16] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[34:17] Speaker 2: I'm excited. There's just nothing better.
[34:19] Speaker 3: If you're an outdoorsman, then experiencing an Iowa rut, you know,
[34:22] Speaker 3: it's right up there with an elk rut in the mountains.
[34:24] Speaker 2: So this is pretty cool.
[34:26] Speaker 4: Oh my gosh.
[34:27] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[34:30] Speaker 4: The biggest thing is, is we we've got work to do.
[34:32] Speaker 4: We've got to get started KJ. And I know that,
[34:35] Speaker 4: I know that you're busy, but if you'll send me
[34:37] Speaker 4: the cameras, I will hang them up and I will
[34:39] Speaker 4: have Jeremy drive me around.
[34:41] Speaker 1: That sounds like a deal, but hopefully if I can
[34:44] Speaker 1: coordinate my dates, I will be up there to hang
[34:46] Speaker 1: at least one, a couple of days with you.
[34:50] Speaker 4: I love it. Let's do it.
[34:52] Speaker 1: All right. Jeremy King, Mr. Iowa and Thomas Allen, Mr. Minnesota.
[34:57] Speaker 1: Thank you guys for joining me.
[35:00] Speaker 4: Thank you. Appreciate you having us, buddy.
[35:02] Speaker 1: All right. You gun talk hunters, you know the deal.
[35:04] Speaker 1: Keep those muzzles and your arrows pointing in a safe
[35:07] Speaker 1: direction and always be on the hunt.

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