# Ruger's New Shotgun; NRA Strengthens The Gun Rights Fight; Taurus Surges With New Guns

An episode of [Gun Talk](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/190516844), 19 Apr 2026, 44 min.

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Live from the Ruger booth at the 2026 NRA Annual Meetings -- Ruger re-enters the shotgun market with the iconic Red Label, plus new rifles from a new factory. -- After getting rid of the rascals, the NRA is back and stronger than ever in the fight for the Second Amendment. John Commerford, head of the ILA, provides updates on the legal and legislative activities. -- The pistols and revolvers from Taurus are miles ahead of only a few years ago. Caleb Giddings explains what's new, and what's different. Gun Talk 04.19.2026 Hour 1 Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/gun-talk--6185159/support.

## Transcript

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[0:28] Speaker 3: He was the first and he's still the best. For
[0:31] Speaker 3: thirty years, Tom Gresham has been your trusted source on
[0:35] Speaker 3: all things ballistic, new guns, Second Amendment, personal protection, deep
[0:40] Speaker 3: part of it. Paul, Tom Talk Gun Now, here's Tom
[0:49] Speaker 3: no more.
[0:49] Speaker 4: You better buckle up because we got a lot to
[0:51] Speaker 4: talk about today. I am Tom Gresham. I am your
[0:54] Speaker 4: host is gun Talk, and we are live from Houston, Texas.
[0:57] Speaker 4: We're at the NRA's annual Meetings we call the Nation
[1:00] Speaker 4: in Houston Annual Meetings twenty twenty six, where we have,
[1:03] Speaker 4: of course a lot of things going on with the NRA.
[1:05] Speaker 4: We'll talk about that as well, but also we're in
[1:07] Speaker 4: the middle of a huge exhibit hall. It's kind of
[1:09] Speaker 4: a kind of a miniature Shot Show. The big difference
[1:13] Speaker 4: is you can go to it. At the Shot Show,
[1:15] Speaker 4: you have to be a part of the industry. Here
[1:16] Speaker 4: it's open to the public, and we've have tons of
[1:19] Speaker 4: people going through this and looking at all the cool
[1:21] Speaker 4: guns and accessories and Ammo and everything else, and a
[1:24] Speaker 4: lot of families, a lot of young kids.
[1:25] Speaker 5: It's great to see it's now.
[1:27] Speaker 4: The one thing I will tell you is that we're
[1:28] Speaker 4: going to have a whole stream of guest here and
[1:31] Speaker 4: we're really not set up to take a calls today,
[1:33] Speaker 4: so just kind of a heads up, so just sit
[1:35] Speaker 4: back and listen and enjoy. Now you're free to keep
[1:38] Speaker 4: asking questions of me. I just won't hear them, but
[1:40] Speaker 4: maybe if the telepathy thing works and maybe I'll pick
[1:43] Speaker 4: that up from you.
[1:44] Speaker 5: So there you go. If you would like.
[1:47] Speaker 4: You can also check out all the gun talk things
[1:49] Speaker 4: we've been shooting content some videos. We have hundreds and
[1:53] Speaker 4: hundreds of little short videos we've been shooting here. We'll
[1:55] Speaker 4: start uploading those shortly. They'll be out. Also able to
[2:00] Speaker 4: grab a couple of really important interviews I'll tell you about.
[2:03] Speaker 4: But let me just tell you right now. I chatted
[2:05] Speaker 4: with Harmy Dillon the Assistant US Attorney General in charge
[2:09] Speaker 4: of the Civil Rights Division of the Department of Justice
[2:12] Speaker 4: and the Second Amendments Section. And also then right after that, unbelievably,
[2:16] Speaker 4: we've got Todd blanche He is the acting Attorney General,
[2:20] Speaker 4: replacing Pam Bondy, who got him in here. And I'll
[2:23] Speaker 4: just give you a little heads up on that. He's
[2:26] Speaker 4: part of the gun industry.
[2:27] Speaker 5: I did not know.
[2:28] Speaker 4: His family makes fire magazines and has for forty years.
[2:33] Speaker 4: So the new Acting Attorney General of the United States
[2:36] Speaker 4: of America is part of the gun business. Crazy did
[2:39] Speaker 4: not know that. All right, We're actually in the rugerbooth.
[2:42] Speaker 4: Our good friends at Ruger letting us hang out here
[2:44] Speaker 4: in broadcast here. So we're definitely gonna have some folks
[2:47] Speaker 4: from Ruger in here and maybe some news, but certainly
[2:50] Speaker 4: some things that you may have wondered about we'll be
[2:53] Speaker 4: talking about right now. We've got Rgie Stitt Joints as
[2:55] Speaker 4: he's the senior director of product Strategy.
[2:58] Speaker 5: Aregie. What is projects strategy.
[3:01] Speaker 6: Product strategy is that it's more than just building something
[3:06] Speaker 6: because you can build it, you need to build the
[3:09] Speaker 6: right things that the people are looking for at the
[3:11] Speaker 6: right time. Give people time to understand what new products
[3:17] Speaker 6: are out there before you pile on top.
[3:19] Speaker 7: Of it with something else.
[3:20] Speaker 5: Okay, So it's.
[3:22] Speaker 6: Basically we're doing life cycle planning of the firearms.
[3:27] Speaker 4: I've often said that I think that sometimes when you
[3:30] Speaker 4: put out a new product and you're involved in the company,
[3:34] Speaker 4: by the time it actually comes out, you've been working
[3:37] Speaker 4: on it for two, three, four, five years, and just
[3:40] Speaker 4: about the time it's really starting to catch people are
[3:43] Speaker 4: understanding what it is, you're tired of it, and you
[3:44] Speaker 4: move on to the next thing.
[3:46] Speaker 5: That kind of how it happens.
[3:47] Speaker 7: Oh yeah, yeah, absolutely.
[3:50] Speaker 6: You know, we've we built American pistols for a few
[3:53] Speaker 6: years and the guns themselves were great, right, but they
[3:57] Speaker 6: didn't sell very well, and we moved on to RXm,
[4:02] Speaker 6: you know.
[4:02] Speaker 4: Right, which is, by the way, a great pistol. I
[4:05] Speaker 4: think that I think it's a home run, absolutely.
[4:08] Speaker 6: I mean RXm is a very exciting product, basically a
[4:14] Speaker 6: Gen three glock style.
[4:15] Speaker 4: Yeah, but we worked with a chassis with a better
[4:18] Speaker 4: grip angle too, by the way.
[4:19] Speaker 5: Yeah, it's got a great it really works.
[4:21] Speaker 7: They shoot really well.
[4:23] Speaker 8: You know.
[4:23] Speaker 6: We partnered with Magpool to develop the frame or using
[4:27] Speaker 6: the Magpool magazines. That's always some of the hardest stuff
[4:30] Speaker 6: on a firearm is coming up with a magazine that works.
[4:33] Speaker 4: It's so weird. I mean, I bet I've heard that
[4:35] Speaker 4: half a dozen times of various booths here they'll say,
[4:37] Speaker 4: you know, we always start with a magazine.
[4:40] Speaker 5: What. Well, it must be true because you all say
[4:42] Speaker 5: the same thing.
[4:43] Speaker 7: Yeah.
[4:43] Speaker 6: Well, I mean, if you have something that works, stick
[4:45] Speaker 6: with it, right, why would you change from that?
[4:48] Speaker 5: And it's one of the hardest things to get right correct.
[4:51] Speaker 6: And then you have something like this that's readily available
[4:54] Speaker 6: in the marketplace that there's you know, dozens of people
[4:57] Speaker 6: that manufactured.
[4:58] Speaker 5: The millions of these magazines out correct.
[5:00] Speaker 6: So it gives it gives a consumer that's buying a
[5:03] Speaker 6: new gun a lot of options for aftermarket parts.
[5:07] Speaker 4: It's not proprietary, so you can use the magpot mags,
[5:10] Speaker 4: you use glock mags, you can use all the glock
[5:13] Speaker 4: clone mags. Like I say, everybody's making them. So there
[5:16] Speaker 4: you go. It's a great pistol. All right, But let's
[5:18] Speaker 4: talk about some of the things have been going on.
[5:20] Speaker 4: You guys bought a gun company for basically for the
[5:23] Speaker 4: manufacturing Facility's talk about that.
[5:27] Speaker 7: So We're very excited about it. The the eighty odd.
[5:31] Speaker 6: Employees that we were able to retain from the previous.
[5:35] Speaker 5: Owner, Anderson and Manufacturing, which made really good rs.
[5:40] Speaker 7: Yeah.
[5:40] Speaker 6: Well, you know, it's interesting. We went in there, we
[5:43] Speaker 6: spend a lot of time. The facility is absolutely beautiful.
[5:46] Speaker 6: The uh it's state of the art. It's a very
[5:51] Speaker 6: convenient location as it's sitting right at the end of
[5:53] Speaker 6: the runway at the Cincinnati Airport, right very gun friendly
[5:59] Speaker 6: Kentucky area.
[6:00] Speaker 7: Yeh.
[6:01] Speaker 6: But the guns themselves were not quite up to our standard.
[6:05] Speaker 5: Were not where you wanted them to be correct.
[6:07] Speaker 6: So we we bought the facility in July and we
[6:10] Speaker 6: didn't build the first gun until October. And now we
[6:14] Speaker 6: we spent all that time measuring and studying and updating
[6:20] Speaker 6: the processes to build the guns to our standards. So
[6:24] Speaker 6: the gun that you're buying today, we have two models.
[6:28] Speaker 6: One has some basic basic furniture on it and the
[6:31] Speaker 6: others have the upgraded magpool. They have two different handguards.
[6:34] Speaker 6: The one has the full twelve o'clock rail and the
[6:37] Speaker 6: other one is just a half rail, so it's a
[6:39] Speaker 6: little bit lighter. Depends on what you want. Two guns.
[6:44] Speaker 6: Both the cops six, both of them called the Harrier. Yep,
[6:47] Speaker 6: that's we rebranded. So we had the AR five five
[6:52] Speaker 6: six's for a decade that we built in our North
[6:55] Speaker 6: Carolina facility, and we've elected to shut that down completely
[7:01] Speaker 6: and build all of our modern sporting rifles in Hebron, Kentucky.
[7:05] Speaker 5: Okay, what about the s F A R.
[7:07] Speaker 7: S F A R is out of production right at
[7:11] Speaker 7: the moment, right, but that is uh.
[7:16] Speaker 5: Everything right now.
[7:17] Speaker 6: That is our number one priority for before the end
[7:21] Speaker 6: of the year to have s F A R back online.
[7:23] Speaker 5: All right, are you going to make that Hebron. It's
[7:26] Speaker 5: going to be in Hebrew as well, Hembur.
[7:27] Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, the new plant there, yep, yeah, okay, because
[7:29] Speaker 4: I mean, I know there are a lot of people
[7:31] Speaker 4: are saying, Man, I like that rifle.
[7:33] Speaker 5: I can't believe it's not here right now.
[7:34] Speaker 7: I want to go back now. I bought one myself.
[7:36] Speaker 5: Yeah it was a nice rifle.
[7:39] Speaker 6: Yeah, it's a super super cool gun. You know, you
[7:42] Speaker 6: get that small frame, you know, instead of a.
[7:46] Speaker 4: Big heavy three you get a three eight AR in
[7:49] Speaker 4: an AR fifteen small frame, right. I mean, I don't
[7:51] Speaker 4: know how you did it, but if you did it.
[7:53] Speaker 8: It worked.
[7:54] Speaker 7: That works, and the and the guns work.
[7:55] Speaker 6: You know, it's a but we're trying to We're going
[7:58] Speaker 6: to have an updated, even better product when ever it
[8:00] Speaker 6: comes back fit.
[8:02] Speaker 9: We'll wait a little bit, save a little money.
[8:04] Speaker 4: There you go, all right, one of I mean, obviously,
[8:07] Speaker 4: the Ruber American Gin two is a runaway hit you
[8:11] Speaker 4: can't make enough of. And now you got, thankfully from me,
[8:13] Speaker 4: because I shoot off the left side. You got left
[8:15] Speaker 4: handed versions too.
[8:16] Speaker 7: We just launched some lefties.
[8:19] Speaker 6: This is part of the change of why we shut
[8:22] Speaker 6: down the AR five five six in our North Carolina facility,
[8:27] Speaker 6: because we're taking that machinery to increase production of Gen.
[8:30] Speaker 7: Two American rifles.
[8:31] Speaker 5: So way behind on them.
[8:33] Speaker 7: We're way behind, way behind. And all that.
[8:35] Speaker 5: Means is that the demand is demand is great.
[8:39] Speaker 6: I think there's a little it's hard to figure out
[8:41] Speaker 6: what the secret sauce is, but I think one of
[8:43] Speaker 6: the things that we've done there and what we've done
[8:46] Speaker 6: with the lefty is we've picked some We've followed some
[8:50] Speaker 6: niche calibers and stuff and anything that Horned Day comes
[8:55] Speaker 6: out with twenty two are six are you know? Three
[8:59] Speaker 6: three eight Dark Lake. We're building an American rifles. And
[9:03] Speaker 6: the following has been amazing. And that's why in the lefties,
[9:07] Speaker 6: we don't have a three eight today. Right, we're doing
[9:10] Speaker 6: three hundred blackout, we're doing five five six, we're doing
[9:12] Speaker 6: twenty two arc, we're doing we're doing stuff that's different
[9:16] Speaker 6: things in the marketplace.
[9:17] Speaker 4: Well, you're doing things that are selling. That's what people
[9:19] Speaker 4: want and right, and the other thing is for people
[9:20] Speaker 4: to understand. I mean, and I talk about this, it's
[9:24] Speaker 4: hard to convince people that your street price five hundred
[9:27] Speaker 4: dollars rifle is like target great accurate, it's just crazy
[9:32] Speaker 4: out of the box. How well they shoot?
[9:33] Speaker 7: Oh well, we hammer forge all the barrels in the house.
[9:36] Speaker 6: I mean, you start with a great barrel and you're
[9:38] Speaker 6: you know, you put a chamber in the middle and
[9:41] Speaker 6: you're good to go.
[9:42] Speaker 9: All right.
[9:42] Speaker 4: I want to talk about the thing that I didn't
[9:44] Speaker 4: think was ever going to come back.
[9:46] Speaker 5: You brought back the red label.
[9:47] Speaker 4: We did we did overt under shotgun, which once it
[9:51] Speaker 4: been twenty five years, it's got to be twenty five years.
[9:55] Speaker 7: It's been quite a while.
[9:57] Speaker 9: I don't know that's that long, but it's it's been
[9:59] Speaker 9: a while.
[9:59] Speaker 5: It feels like because it was a great over and
[10:01] Speaker 5: under shotgun.
[10:02] Speaker 6: Yeah, it's like everything else. Like I'm saying about the
[10:06] Speaker 6: product strategy. We built that third generate well second generation
[10:11] Speaker 6: Red label with the concept of hitting a price point
[10:15] Speaker 6: and being slightly under the other major manufacturers, and we
[10:21] Speaker 6: couldn't hit that price point.
[10:22] Speaker 7: Like it just wasn't It wasn't there.
[10:24] Speaker 4: The gunners are more involved, it's not just cranking out
[10:28] Speaker 4: machine right.
[10:30] Speaker 6: So this time around we have worked with Connecticut shotgun
[10:33] Speaker 6: Tony Gallazan.
[10:34] Speaker 5: Over there, and they know how to make shotguns.
[10:36] Speaker 6: They know how to make shotguns, so you know, this
[10:40] Speaker 6: is probably the nice He's amazing.
[10:45] Speaker 7: I love him.
[10:46] Speaker 5: Yeah, it's like that's a crazy genius guy.
[10:49] Speaker 6: Yeah, I enjoy a visit with Tony. I asked him
[10:55] Speaker 6: if I could invite my closest ten friends to come
[10:58] Speaker 6: and have dinner in his showroom up there, and he's like,
[11:02] Speaker 6: anything you want. I'm like, I don't know if I
[11:03] Speaker 6: can find ten friends.
[11:06] Speaker 4: Yeah, but people should go take a look at the
[11:08] Speaker 4: website because they do have a picture of the showroom
[11:11] Speaker 4: and it's like, oh, yeah, we could host like a
[11:13] Speaker 4: fabulous place.
[11:14] Speaker 5: It's unbelievable.
[11:15] Speaker 4: Yeah, but they have been making really nice, very high
[11:18] Speaker 4: grade you know sibbys and over and unders, but they're
[11:22] Speaker 4: making the red label for you.
[11:23] Speaker 7: Yeah.
[11:24] Speaker 6: They've been in business over forty years in Connecticut, so
[11:28] Speaker 6: it's their American made guns. I mean, he's got an
[11:31] Speaker 6: amazing facility. The fit and finish is very very nice,
[11:37] Speaker 6: and it's a very slick little gun.
[11:41] Speaker 4: Well, Gage, I'm not to put words in your mouth,
[11:44] Speaker 4: but I'm just guessing looking at it, because we're looking
[11:46] Speaker 4: at what thirty two hundred ball park. You decided to
[11:50] Speaker 4: make it, make the quality of what you needed, and
[11:52] Speaker 4: then let the price forward had to.
[11:53] Speaker 6: Make one hundred percent. That's that is where we're at.
[11:57] Speaker 6: Like this, this gun will compete with anything in that
[12:00] Speaker 6: price category, and it is an extremely nice gun.
[12:05] Speaker 7: And none of the other ones are made in the
[12:06] Speaker 7: United States.
[12:07] Speaker 5: Ah, that's the other thing.
[12:09] Speaker 4: This is a maide in the US gun that And
[12:11] Speaker 4: I know people say, well, thirty two hundred is a
[12:13] Speaker 4: lot of money. I gotta tell you those of us
[12:16] Speaker 4: who say that we just haven't price guns recently, because
[12:19] Speaker 4: if you go out and shop for any kind of
[12:22] Speaker 4: decent over and under, that's not even middle of the pack.
[12:26] Speaker 4: It's like toward the lower end of the pack these days.
[12:29] Speaker 6: Yeah, if you want something from any of the major manufacturers,
[12:32] Speaker 6: you know there there certainly are people building economical product
[12:36] Speaker 6: and you get what you pay for.
[12:38] Speaker 8: You know.
[12:39] Speaker 5: But an American made over and under that's cool.
[12:41] Speaker 7: Yeah, awesome.
[12:42] Speaker 4: Twenty gage available in twenty eight and thirty inch barrels correct.
[12:45] Speaker 4: And I gotta tell you my personal favorites are thirty.
[12:47] Speaker 4: I just think they balanced better. I bought one, did
[12:50] Speaker 4: you really yep? Yeah, yeah, why would have it?
[12:52] Speaker 7: Yeah?
[12:53] Speaker 4: Yeah, they're they're that good. And I can't remember do
[12:57] Speaker 4: they have three inch chambers?
[12:58] Speaker 7: They do? Yep?
[13:00] Speaker 6: Okay, And I and I believe this is just going
[13:03] Speaker 6: to be the beginning. I mean, I don't know that
[13:05] Speaker 6: we have twelve gauge on our roadmap right at the moment,
[13:08] Speaker 6: but you'll probably see some sub gauges over the next
[13:10] Speaker 6: couple of years, which.
[13:13] Speaker 5: Very nice.
[13:14] Speaker 4: Yeah, very nice. I gotta run to the break here.
[13:17] Speaker 4: I appreciate your time you got. You know, we got
[13:20] Speaker 4: a lot of more things to talk about at some point,
[13:21] Speaker 4: but I know there are a lot of things you're
[13:23] Speaker 4: working on.
[13:23] Speaker 7: We can't talk about it again exactly any time, do you.
[13:27] Speaker 5: Thanks so much. I appreciate your time.
[13:29] Speaker 4: All right, we are at the Ruger Booth at the
[13:31] Speaker 4: Arisaniel Medios in Houston.
[13:33] Speaker 5: I'm Tom Gresha. Be right back with more gun talk.
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[16:28] Speaker 4: All right, welcome back. I'm Tom Gresham. We are at
[16:31] Speaker 4: the roogabooth at the na's Annual meetings here in Houston, Texas,
[16:35] Speaker 4: having a good time of course. And it is in
[16:37] Speaker 4: fact to the NRA annual meetings where a lot of
[16:39] Speaker 4: things are going on. We had the actual meetings and
[16:41] Speaker 4: we've got the new boards coming in. They'll get sworn
[16:44] Speaker 4: in or accepted I think on Monday. It is a
[16:48] Speaker 4: pleasure right now. Welcome to John Comberford from uh.
[16:52] Speaker 5: In, Ora Isla.
[16:53] Speaker 8: Yes, sir, are you sir? Great to see it good.
[16:55] Speaker 5: So how's the show going for you?
[16:56] Speaker 8: It's going great, it's going great.
[16:57] Speaker 14: I was actually running Old Lake getting over here because
[17:00] Speaker 14: everybody's last year. This year, I got stopped a few
[17:02] Speaker 14: more times.
[17:03] Speaker 4: Everybody grabs you. I want to talk because everybody says,
[17:06] Speaker 4: let me tell you how to run the NA.
[17:07] Speaker 14: Right, you're not kidding, But that's okay, that's okay because
[17:12] Speaker 14: our members are a part of it.
[17:13] Speaker 5: Well, they're engaged, that's right.
[17:16] Speaker 4: One of the I mean, look all the things that
[17:18] Speaker 4: you hear, same things I hear, which people say, what's
[17:21] Speaker 4: going on?
[17:22] Speaker 5: Is it really back? You know?
[17:24] Speaker 4: The part of it is. I had a guy cornering
[17:26] Speaker 4: me yesterday. He said, well, you know, I'm still not
[17:29] Speaker 4: back yet. I said, okay, why he said, well, board's
[17:32] Speaker 4: too big, and I'm just you know what it is.
[17:36] Speaker 4: There are people that are still mad at what happened,
[17:40] Speaker 4: and my belief is they don't understand how far the
[17:44] Speaker 4: recovery has come.
[17:45] Speaker 5: Does that sound fair?
[17:47] Speaker 14: It's a really good point because there was so much
[17:49] Speaker 14: work to do. It's hard to explain that in single conversations.
[17:52] Speaker 14: But it's been Yeoman's work with our Presidentville Backenberg and
[17:56] Speaker 14: the team of officers, and and of course Doug. I
[17:58] Speaker 14: mean Doug is there. He beats me in and he's
[18:02] Speaker 14: there when I leave, and I can talk about EVP.
[18:05] Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, he's he's the guy somebody's pointing out
[18:07] Speaker 4: to me said, look, you do understand that, Like, he
[18:10] Speaker 4: has a good life and he would really probably rather
[18:14] Speaker 4: be playing golf. He doesn't need to do this. It's
[18:17] Speaker 4: just that he is so highly qualified and so committed
[18:20] Speaker 4: and he has the passion for it, and that's why
[18:22] Speaker 4: he's here and doing what he's doing.
[18:24] Speaker 14: Yeah, he's the right guy at the right time. I mean,
[18:26] Speaker 14: that's that's simply where it is. And he's he's committed,
[18:28] Speaker 14: and it's it's quite a service for our members. Most
[18:31] Speaker 14: people really never understand what type of level of service
[18:33] Speaker 14: he's committing to the association. But he's led us back
[18:37] Speaker 14: out of this rut. And and we're the only way
[18:39] Speaker 14: forward is forward and there's good governance, and our members
[18:43] Speaker 14: really should have confidence in what's happening in Nay.
[18:47] Speaker 4: And you I'm not going to ask you to say it.
[18:49] Speaker 4: I'll say it and you can correct me if you
[18:51] Speaker 4: think I'm wrong. Basically, we've gotten rid of the rascals,
[18:53] Speaker 4: We've got the right people in his leadership, and now
[18:56] Speaker 4: just within the last two weeks we've elected the right
[18:59] Speaker 4: peace people on the board, and now we have a
[19:02] Speaker 4: good board because people say, basically, why hasn't happened already?
[19:06] Speaker 5: It takes time. Everything takes a while.
[19:08] Speaker 14: Yeah, absolutely, And look, we do have a big board.
[19:11] Speaker 14: It's nearly the size of the US Senate in fact.
[19:13] Speaker 14: But and there's a lot of a lot of opinions,
[19:16] Speaker 14: but good opinions, right, you get elected to the board.
[19:19] Speaker 14: And one benefit of seventy six is there's a lot
[19:21] Speaker 14: of there's seventy six people with unique life experience, whether
[19:23] Speaker 14: that's in firearms or business nonprofit governance, and that's a
[19:27] Speaker 14: huge part of it for us. So everyone might have
[19:31] Speaker 14: a different path to get to the end, but we
[19:33] Speaker 14: all have the same goal, which is run the organization
[19:35] Speaker 14: properly on behalf of our millions of members and keep
[19:38] Speaker 14: us here for another one hundred and fifty five years
[19:40] Speaker 14: and execute on the mission and protecting the Second Amendment.
[19:42] Speaker 4: Okay, well that's the NRA, and then there's n ISLA,
[19:45] Speaker 4: the Institute for Legislative Action, the legal and legislative sided.
[19:51] Speaker 5: What's going on there.
[19:52] Speaker 14: So legal, I'm glad you mentioned legal because the fights
[19:55] Speaker 14: have really moved into the courts, really post Bruin Joe Greenley.
[19:59] Speaker 14: In our litigation team, we've become the leader and Second
[20:02] Speaker 14: Amendment litigation. We're involved in more than sixty cases nationwide.
[20:06] Speaker 14: We filed more Meekus briefs than anyone else combined last year.
[20:11] Speaker 14: And he's off to a heck of a start, but
[20:13] Speaker 14: that team and really where I less focused right now,
[20:15] Speaker 14: the Commonwealth of Virginia. Things have changed dramatically, yes, but
[20:20] Speaker 14: we have our court cases ready to go. We're working
[20:23] Speaker 14: with our friends at SAF and FPC on the federal case,
[20:26] Speaker 14: but we're also running a state case there with our
[20:29] Speaker 14: state association, the Virginia Shooting Sports Association. So we have
[20:33] Speaker 14: a good state Supreme Court in Virginia and there's some
[20:36] Speaker 14: good lower level rulings recently. So we're going to take
[20:38] Speaker 14: that fight to Abigail Smaannberg as soon as those bills
[20:41] Speaker 14: become law.
[20:42] Speaker 4: You said something there I think brought to pick up on.
[20:44] Speaker 4: You're working with SAF, you're working with FPC. There are
[20:47] Speaker 4: people out there who say it's one versus the other.
[20:50] Speaker 4: You guys are fighting, and I keep telling the no.
[20:52] Speaker 4: You'll understand if you go and look at these court cases,
[20:54] Speaker 4: you will see that the NRA and Fire's Policy Coalition
[20:58] Speaker 4: and Secondment Foundation are all working together and share sharing
[21:01] Speaker 4: expenses and getting the work done.
[21:04] Speaker 14: Look a couple of it wasn't in the far past.
[21:06] Speaker 14: A couple of years ago, you would have had three
[21:08] Speaker 14: lawsuits from and one from NRA, one from GUA, one
[21:11] Speaker 14: from FPC win the message, and now we can file
[21:14] Speaker 14: three or four lawsuits and three or four different locations
[21:18] Speaker 14: because it's a it's a collective effort on the dollars.
[21:20] Speaker 14: It's an individual right, but a collective voice is stronger.
[21:23] Speaker 14: So we're running with that and we're ready to meet
[21:27] Speaker 14: these challenges, whether they're in Maryland, New Jersey, Illinois, or Virginia.
[21:32] Speaker 5: Right okay, So.
[21:35] Speaker 4: If you would handicap it for me right now, and
[21:36] Speaker 4: I got thirty secs, we're gonna pick us up on
[21:38] Speaker 4: the back side here.
[21:39] Speaker 5: How are we doing?
[21:40] Speaker 14: I think we're okay. I mean, uh, you know, n
[21:42] Speaker 14: Ray in general is okay. Run the way up. We're
[21:45] Speaker 14: taking the fight to places where the fight needs to go.
[21:48] Speaker 14: We're doing really well on the federal level with President
[21:50] Speaker 14: Donald Trump his new attack. Acting Attorney General Todd Blanche
[21:54] Speaker 14: was here for two full days on the show floor.
[21:56] Speaker 5: Yeah at n Joey Walking.
[21:57] Speaker 4: I did an interview with I'll talk about that in
[22:00] Speaker 4: a minute. Here's the thing that I learned I was
[22:03] Speaker 4: not aware of. Todd Blanche's family is in the fire's business.
[22:06] Speaker 8: Yes, Checkmate Industries.
[22:08] Speaker 5: Yes, making magazines for forty years.
[22:10] Speaker 14: I always said, if anybody has any doubts. The domestic
[22:13] Speaker 14: pressure to keep your mother in law happy is very powerful.
[22:16] Speaker 14: So I think that's a confidence builder if I've ever
[22:18] Speaker 14: seen one.
[22:18] Speaker 5: I love it. Don't go anywhere where.
[22:20] Speaker 4: We're at the Ruger Booth that the na's Annual meetings
[22:24] Speaker 4: having the ball over here on Tom Gresham.
[22:26] Speaker 5: This is guntalk.
[22:27] Speaker 4: We shall return into the minute back with your Tom
[22:35] Speaker 4: Gresham at the na's Annual Meetings in Houston. Talk with
[22:39] Speaker 4: John Comerford from the na ILA and John we were
[22:43] Speaker 4: just talking. He said, you're getting a big check from
[22:46] Speaker 4: the state of California about a case there, and you're
[22:49] Speaker 4: going to take that and repurpose it if you will,
[22:51] Speaker 4: to go after Virginia. So where's that money coming from?
[22:53] Speaker 4: What case is this?
[22:54] Speaker 8: It was in the youth advertising case.
[22:56] Speaker 14: So everybody listening knows there's annoying aged disclaimers to pop
[23:00] Speaker 14: up on the firearm's website. You know, California really kicked
[23:03] Speaker 14: that off, and we suit them and with our partners
[23:05] Speaker 14: at CRPA and a few others, but we're victorious and
[23:10] Speaker 14: they're paying us back attorney fees so much four hundred
[23:13] Speaker 14: and eighty two thousand dollars.
[23:15] Speaker 5: I love it.
[23:16] Speaker 14: So that's going to go right to those challenges in Virginia.
[23:18] Speaker 14: So we've got to keep funding. You know, litigation is
[23:21] Speaker 14: very expensive. We're talking about a few other cases that
[23:23] Speaker 14: amount to between two of them multiple millions of dollars
[23:26] Speaker 14: because they've been ten years.
[23:27] Speaker 4: On the makers so said they're going for a decade
[23:29] Speaker 4: because they keep we can win it, and then it
[23:31] Speaker 4: gets appealed and goes back and forth, and they're using
[23:35] Speaker 4: tax dollars on that side, using our dollars, and then
[23:38] Speaker 4: we have to use our dollars on our side.
[23:40] Speaker 14: Yeah, they have unlimited dollars because they can go into debt,
[23:43] Speaker 14: they can put bonds out, and all of us have
[23:44] Speaker 14: to manage our own budgets. But the way we win
[23:47] Speaker 14: is by winning in the fall, so we can get
[23:50] Speaker 14: key judicial nominees through the USCENT.
[23:52] Speaker 4: Well yeah, and I tell people say, look, you can
[23:55] Speaker 4: win court cases, but until you consistently win elections, you
[24:00] Speaker 4: are always fighting a defensive battle. Fair enough, absolutely, all right,
[24:03] Speaker 4: So we got the midterm elections coming up.
[24:06] Speaker 5: Talk about what's actually at stake here.
[24:09] Speaker 14: Well, look, Virginia is the best example I have in
[24:11] Speaker 14: current events. We went from a pro gun governor to
[24:14] Speaker 14: an anti freedom governor and Abigail Spamberger and one.
[24:17] Speaker 5: Election gun confiscator yep.
[24:19] Speaker 14: And one election, and gunners across the commonwealthare are going
[24:22] Speaker 14: to are facing her raft, but she's going to face
[24:24] Speaker 14: ours at the courts. But take a look at Texas.
[24:27] Speaker 14: There is no scenario where the Nterra is going to
[24:29] Speaker 14: stand by and let someone like James tallerco win a
[24:31] Speaker 14: Senate race.
[24:32] Speaker 5: He is staying tech twenty six million dollars right now.
[24:35] Speaker 8: One quarter.
[24:36] Speaker 14: He raised twenty four to twenty six million dollars in
[24:39] Speaker 14: a quarter. That should send a shot across everyone's bow.
[24:42] Speaker 14: The gun owners are a key part of winning this fall.
[24:46] Speaker 14: Remember President Trump isn't on the ballot, so what does
[24:48] Speaker 14: that mean we go back to a core turnout election.
[24:51] Speaker 14: Gun owners, hunters, they're a huge part of winning.
[24:54] Speaker 4: What happens if we gun owner Second Amendment Republicans, because
[24:59] Speaker 4: that's really what we're talking about, lose control of the
[25:02] Speaker 4: House and or the Senate.
[25:04] Speaker 14: What happens mired in impeachment, oversight, hearings on every type
[25:09] Speaker 14: of issue, all of these victories that were winning, all
[25:11] Speaker 14: this good pro gun work that we're seeing in the DOJ,
[25:15] Speaker 14: and what I think the listeners should stay tuned for
[25:18] Speaker 14: for some rules coming out of ATF. All that goes
[25:20] Speaker 14: to the wayside because these agencies are going to be
[25:23] Speaker 14: mired in endless house hearings. And look at the third
[25:26] Speaker 14: Circuit in New Jersey. We had a hardware case heard
[25:28] Speaker 14: in the fall with some of our partners and a
[25:32] Speaker 14: second pro gun or a second pro conservative judge was
[25:35] Speaker 14: seated the day before that case. So the circuit that
[25:39] Speaker 14: oversees New Jersey is now a conservative leaning with a majority.
[25:44] Speaker 14: And that's because of President Trump and the US Senate
[25:46] Speaker 14: confirming that judge in time.
[25:47] Speaker 5: That's because of elections, Yes, sir, because of winning elections.
[25:50] Speaker 4: So we have the midterms coming up.
[25:55] Speaker 5: Obviously people need to vote, but there's more than that.
[25:58] Speaker 8: Yeah, you got to get out and vote.
[26:00] Speaker 14: And I know it's a tough topic on the conservative
[26:02] Speaker 14: side sometimes, but early voting is critical. There's a lot
[26:05] Speaker 14: of life that happens between the start of early voting
[26:08] Speaker 14: and election day. You can wake up sick that day,
[26:11] Speaker 14: your dog could be sick, and every vote counts and
[26:14] Speaker 14: you make sure your friends and family are registered to vote,
[26:16] Speaker 14: and if not them into registers.
[26:19] Speaker 4: Ask you have to ask them are you reagised to vote, well,
[26:22] Speaker 4: I think so, well, let's make sure, let's get it done.
[26:26] Speaker 4: And then when election day comes, let's make sure. Let's
[26:29] Speaker 4: get you there, let's get let's get let's all go
[26:32] Speaker 4: to the polls and vote, and then go out and
[26:34] Speaker 4: have breakfast together. Make it a party, make it a gathering.
[26:37] Speaker 4: But there's more than that. The reality, as we talked about,
[26:41] Speaker 4: the money, money is how things work. And I always
[26:46] Speaker 4: tell people, look open up your guns safe and look
[26:48] Speaker 4: at there and tell me what you would pay to
[26:49] Speaker 4: keep them. That's right, I mean, is it worth a
[26:51] Speaker 4: hundred bucks to you?
[26:52] Speaker 8: That's right. It should be worth.
[26:53] Speaker 4: A hundred bucks to you to keep all your guns.
[26:55] Speaker 4: So throw a hundred bucks at your local candidate or
[26:58] Speaker 4: somebody you can support.
[27:00] Speaker 8: You're exactly right.
[27:01] Speaker 14: And you know, I just wanted to touch back on
[27:03] Speaker 14: the early voting one more time because I think some
[27:05] Speaker 14: of the listeners don't realize this. If you're tired of
[27:08] Speaker 14: the political ads coming, the annoying text messages, of the
[27:11] Speaker 14: targeted emails, if you vote early, those will stop because
[27:14] Speaker 14: no one is going to waste money on somebody who's
[27:16] Speaker 14: already voted. That's how they have two dollars for the
[27:18] Speaker 14: next voter. If you don't think your vote counts, try
[27:21] Speaker 14: and voting early this year and if the ads stop,
[27:23] Speaker 14: you know they counted your vote, so you know, give it.
[27:27] Speaker 4: Give it a try. That works for me. I love
[27:29] Speaker 4: it all right. Last thing, where do you want to
[27:31] Speaker 4: tell people? What do they need to know about what's
[27:33] Speaker 4: going on with ISLA?
[27:34] Speaker 14: And make sure you file us on socials, Facebook, x,
[27:37] Speaker 14: Instagram and go to nrail dot org. Make sure you
[27:39] Speaker 14: sign up for our alerts. We'll kick you over at
[27:41] Speaker 14: Grassroots Alert once a week and we don't fundraise from that,
[27:44] Speaker 14: just to get you the information you need.
[27:46] Speaker 5: John Comfort, thank you so much. I appreciate you being here.
[27:48] Speaker 8: Thank you really appreciate it.
[27:49] Speaker 4: That good deal. We're going to do a hot swap
[27:51] Speaker 4: here in the middle of this show. I'm going to
[27:52] Speaker 4: let you hand that headset over here, because that's what
[27:55] Speaker 4: we're going to do. I mean, we're doing just all
[27:57] Speaker 4: sorts of crazy stuff here. We're in the Ruger booth
[27:59] Speaker 4: at the NA Annual meetings and we're bringing in some
[28:01] Speaker 4: of our buddies here. Caleb Giddings joined us right now
[28:04] Speaker 4: from Turus.
[28:05] Speaker 9: How you doing, Buddy, Good Good it's been a fun
[28:07] Speaker 9: show so far.
[28:07] Speaker 5: Yeah, no kidding, Yeah, well, i'd be fine for you.
[28:10] Speaker 5: You've got new cool.
[28:10] Speaker 9: Stuff we do, we do.
[28:12] Speaker 5: Let's start off with this.
[28:15] Speaker 4: I keep telling people, and I know you keep telling them,
[28:18] Speaker 4: today's Taurus is not the Taurus of a decade ago.
[28:22] Speaker 4: It's a completely different company with a completely different ethosian culture.
[28:26] Speaker 15: Absolutely, we have you know, uh, I mean you could
[28:30] Speaker 15: go back to twenty you know, tours in twenty fifteen
[28:32] Speaker 15: and tourists today completely different, right, right. And that's both
[28:36] Speaker 15: here in the States and in Brazil as well. You know,
[28:38] Speaker 15: they changed out a lot of the senior management that
[28:41] Speaker 15: was down there there, brought in new leadership teams, both
[28:43] Speaker 15: in the States, both in Brazil and in Brazil especially.
[28:47] Speaker 15: They've invested a ton of money and time into really
[28:51] Speaker 15: building out this modern machining like Marvel that they've gotten
[28:55] Speaker 15: down there. I've been down to the factory and it
[28:57] Speaker 15: is as modern as any gun company i've been to.
[29:00] Speaker 5: What does the consumer get out of that?
[29:02] Speaker 15: The consumer gets increase quality control And the biggest thing
[29:04] Speaker 15: that they get is they get a increase in quality control,
[29:09] Speaker 15: a reliable product. But we're still keeping it at what
[29:11] Speaker 15: you know what people think of that larger that Taurus price. Right,
[29:15] Speaker 15: we have always been an affordable gun.
[29:17] Speaker 13: You know.
[29:17] Speaker 15: Last year or two years ago, we launched the g
[29:20] Speaker 15: X two, right, and that was a gun that has
[29:22] Speaker 15: an MSRP of three hundred bucks and it works crazy
[29:25] Speaker 15: and it just runs and runs. So this year we
[29:28] Speaker 15: brought that gun and we added adoptics ready capability to
[29:31] Speaker 15: it MSRP on it's two ninety nine. You're gonna be
[29:33] Speaker 15: able to go to baths pro or wherever and get
[29:36] Speaker 15: it for two hundred fifty bus.
[29:37] Speaker 4: Let me see how people they may not know you
[29:39] Speaker 4: come to all this from a background of being a
[29:41] Speaker 4: competitive shooter. You're used to shooting pretty much anything you
[29:45] Speaker 4: wanted to shoot.
[29:46] Speaker 5: Absolutely, so when you and I know you.
[29:50] Speaker 4: If you thought, okay, this is really not as good
[29:52] Speaker 4: as it needs to be, you wouldn't be sitting here telling.
[29:55] Speaker 9: Me yeah, absolutely, I mean you just wouldn't.
[29:57] Speaker 5: I've known you that long.
[29:59] Speaker 15: No, And the the truth of this is, if Torres
[30:02] Speaker 15: in twenty fifteen had come to me and offered me
[30:03] Speaker 15: this job, I would have said no, thanks, you know,
[30:06] Speaker 15: but Taurus in twenty when I started right here, I
[30:08] Speaker 15: mean here four years now, Wow Tours in twenty twenty
[30:11] Speaker 15: two is a different company, and you know that was
[30:13] Speaker 15: an opportunity for me to get in on a brand
[30:16] Speaker 15: that was really doing cool stuff. And you're really starting
[30:19] Speaker 15: to see the tail the tail of that development in
[30:23] Speaker 15: the products that we're bringing out.
[30:24] Speaker 9: Right, Like we brought out a roller delayed PDW. You
[30:27] Speaker 9: know I want to talk about.
[30:29] Speaker 4: Yes because that got my attention big time. Oh yeah,
[30:33] Speaker 4: pd' to.
[30:33] Speaker 5: I have you a personal defensive weapon, Lit'll be sure,
[30:36] Speaker 5: pistol rifle.
[30:37] Speaker 15: We believe the technical term is a large format pistol,
[30:41] Speaker 15: so you know it's a So we're bringing it in
[30:43] Speaker 15: as a pistol. We are actually doing all the assembly
[30:45] Speaker 15: on it in the United States. So Mainbridge, Georgia our
[30:49] Speaker 15: headquarters facility. So we get the parts that are made
[30:52] Speaker 15: in Brazil, they get shipped up to us. We build
[30:54] Speaker 15: them all in America, we test fire them in America.
[30:56] Speaker 15: They were actually I was in the factory two weeks
[30:59] Speaker 15: before this show the building them right then and there.
[31:01] Speaker 15: So the gun that I have that I've been using
[31:02] Speaker 15: for my testing was built by an American.
[31:04] Speaker 4: So all right, people can't see it right now, then
[31:06] Speaker 4: go to the website. But describe what this is.
[31:08] Speaker 15: So, it's a thirty two round PDW short compact format.
[31:14] Speaker 15: It's got a rail on the back that you can
[31:16] Speaker 15: attach a pistol brace too. It's got attachment points for mlock,
[31:20] Speaker 15: attachment points on the front.
[31:22] Speaker 9: It's got D points. Yes, nine milimeter, thirty two rounds
[31:25] Speaker 9: stop thirty.
[31:26] Speaker 4: Rounds okay, nine milimeter a little bit short thing. Great
[31:28] Speaker 4: for home defense. And frankly, I mean, I know people
[31:32] Speaker 4: want to talk about it's like this would be a
[31:34] Speaker 4: great truck gun.
[31:35] Speaker 15: That's I foresee a lot of these bouncing around in
[31:38] Speaker 15: trucks or on ATVs things like that, because of how
[31:41] Speaker 15: compact it is. Because so to give people a sense
[31:45] Speaker 15: of the size and weight of it, mine that I
[31:47] Speaker 15: have back of the house, I have, I've got a
[31:49] Speaker 15: name point optic on it. I've got a surefire weapon light.
[31:52] Speaker 15: I've got backup iron sights and suppressor. And it weighs
[31:57] Speaker 15: fully loaded five and a half pounds even with k
[32:00] Speaker 15: even with the suppress are on it. Yeah, it's not
[32:01] Speaker 15: a very heavy spread. Does the spresser is not doing
[32:03] Speaker 15: a lot of work.
[32:04] Speaker 4: But what's helping? Yeah, absolutely amazing. It's great. And tell me,
[32:10] Speaker 4: what do you get out of it? Mean roller block?
[32:11] Speaker 5: What's that?
[32:12] Speaker 15: So the whole the nice thing about a roller delay
[32:14] Speaker 15: system is you know everybody who shot like an AR nine, right,
[32:17] Speaker 15: like a nine mil ar, they have felt that recoil
[32:20] Speaker 15: because with that straight blowback system, you've got to have
[32:22] Speaker 15: a big, heavy bolt, and that big heavy bolts a
[32:24] Speaker 15: lot of reciprocate.
[32:26] Speaker 8: Yeah.
[32:26] Speaker 15: So I mean that's why when you shoot an AR nine,
[32:29] Speaker 15: you're like, this really doesn't have a lot less recoil
[32:31] Speaker 15: than a five to five six because of that huge bolt.
[32:34] Speaker 9: That's going back and forth.
[32:35] Speaker 15: With the roller delayed system, it's a much smaller bolt.
[32:39] Speaker 15: You know, it's the same, it's a very similar operating
[32:42] Speaker 15: system to an MP five K, Right, So that's the
[32:45] Speaker 15: that's the og roll small roller delayed gun.
[32:49] Speaker 9: And with that at half or a third of the
[32:51] Speaker 9: cause that.
[32:52] Speaker 15: Yeah, these are gonna these are gonna street price are
[32:55] Speaker 15: gonna be probably around eight eight fifty.
[32:57] Speaker 9: That is what they're gonna get is what you're gonna
[32:59] Speaker 9: be able to deal.
[33:00] Speaker 5: You're better be making a lot of.
[33:02] Speaker 9: We look, we're making them as fast as we can.
[33:05] Speaker 5: Because you're going to sell so many.
[33:07] Speaker 9: Yeah, that's what people keep saying. This gun has been.
[33:10] Speaker 15: You know, I've been able to get out of the
[33:11] Speaker 15: booth and walk around some today and I've been hearing
[33:13] Speaker 15: people talking about it in other people's boots.
[33:16] Speaker 5: And oh, yeah, yes's not cool.
[33:18] Speaker 9: I love it.
[33:18] Speaker 8: I love it. I'm like, we're winning. This is so great.
[33:21] Speaker 4: Well it's one of those kind of aspirational absolutely, you go,
[33:26] Speaker 4: that's so cool. You know, I know I can't have
[33:28] Speaker 4: an MP five. I can't have one of those, all right,
[33:31] Speaker 4: you know, even the semi auto version. It's just out
[33:33] Speaker 4: of my brain. You can't afford that.
[33:35] Speaker 5: This is so cool.
[33:36] Speaker 4: And I think the market the time is right. There's
[33:41] Speaker 4: so many people who now understand what a PDW is
[33:44] Speaker 4: all about, and they go, yeah, that'd be a home
[33:46] Speaker 4: defense gun. They'd be a truck gun mostly what it is,
[33:49] Speaker 4: and say, hey, look, fella, that's what I got here.
[33:52] Speaker 4: Let's go to the range and let you shoot it.
[33:54] Speaker 4: All your buddies shoot it. It's like, you better have
[33:57] Speaker 4: your buddies bring AMMO because they'll shoot a ball your
[33:59] Speaker 4: ammo at the.
[33:59] Speaker 9: First Sure, mine keeps sneaking into my range bag.
[34:01] Speaker 15: I was going to like zero revolver for a match,
[34:04] Speaker 15: and I'm like it wasn't not range bag, you know,
[34:06] Speaker 15: don't I go? I got three loaded MAXs forort, go
[34:09] Speaker 15: shoot it a little bit, of course you were.
[34:11] Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely, it's a fun guy.
[34:13] Speaker 9: It really is.
[34:14] Speaker 15: And I mean from a practicality like you know, uh
[34:17] Speaker 15: not every gun has to be practical, but most guns
[34:21] Speaker 15: can be right and from a practicality standpoint. One of
[34:23] Speaker 15: the things that it is also is it's a gun
[34:25] Speaker 15: that you can hand to a relatively unskilled, untrained person
[34:28] Speaker 15: and say, here's a safety selector, this is fire, this
[34:32] Speaker 15: is safe. If you need to shoot the bad thing,
[34:34] Speaker 15: you put the red dot where you want the bullet
[34:35] Speaker 15: to go out, and press the trigger. Because they're not
[34:37] Speaker 15: going to be dealing with a lot of recoil. They're
[34:39] Speaker 15: not going to be dealing with a lot of muzzle blast.
[34:41] Speaker 4: If you've got a pistol, a stock or something on it,
[34:44] Speaker 4: you know, a brace.
[34:46] Speaker 5: It's easy to shoot.
[34:47] Speaker 9: It's it is easy.
[34:48] Speaker 5: It's easy to shoot.
[34:48] Speaker 15: It turns a if you've got a shooter who their
[34:52] Speaker 15: most comfortable shooting distance is, you know that seven to
[34:55] Speaker 15: ten yard range that everybody practices at, even if they
[34:58] Speaker 15: say they don't what a what a gun like this
[35:01] Speaker 15: does is it turns them into a twenty five to
[35:03] Speaker 15: fifty yard shooter, like just by giving them the ability
[35:06] Speaker 15: giving them that third point of contact. However, they're utilizing
[35:09] Speaker 15: the brace all of a sudden, a shot that they
[35:11] Speaker 15: could not perform with a handgun, they can with this
[35:14] Speaker 15: gun with ease, with ease, and it's not And the
[35:17] Speaker 15: other advantage too to it being a large format pistol
[35:20] Speaker 15: is you don't have to worry about like some of
[35:22] Speaker 15: the Byzantine regulations around SBRs ah. So you know, like technically,
[35:27] Speaker 15: if I travel to another state with one of my SBRs,
[35:30] Speaker 15: I have to you know, write a mother MAYI letter
[35:32] Speaker 15: to the ATA, right right, they don't have to do
[35:34] Speaker 15: that with this No, that's you can go in a
[35:35] Speaker 15: bag in my car and go wherever I'm going.
[35:38] Speaker 5: Okay.
[35:38] Speaker 4: What would be the other thing you want people to
[35:40] Speaker 4: know about Turus right now, whether it's product or whatever.
[35:43] Speaker 9: I think it's culture.
[35:44] Speaker 15: So I think I think it's culture with Taurus because
[35:47] Speaker 15: while we have done all of these process improvements and
[35:50] Speaker 15: product improvements and all of that, the one thing that
[35:53] Speaker 15: we did that was smart that we've retained was the
[35:56] Speaker 15: culture that Taurus had of not being afraid to try
[35:59] Speaker 15: new stuff. Right, we did the Judge and the Judge
[36:02] Speaker 15: was an enormous hit.
[36:03] Speaker 9: It's really to this day working at.
[36:05] Speaker 15: This job, when people come up to me and they
[36:07] Speaker 15: find out I work for a Taurus, they will be like, oh,
[36:09] Speaker 15: I've got a judge and I love it.
[36:10] Speaker 4: Yeah, it was a category change it with a category itself.
[36:15] Speaker 15: Actually so, and you know, and sometimes we've tried stuff
[36:17] Speaker 15: that didn't work, like with the curve, right, but we've
[36:20] Speaker 15: never been afraid to try stuff and we've held on
[36:22] Speaker 15: to that culture because and you can see it in
[36:24] Speaker 15: the PDW. No one expected Taurus to do a PDW.
[36:28] Speaker 15: No one expected us to do a bolt gun, and
[36:30] Speaker 15: it's a really good bolt gun.
[36:31] Speaker 5: Okay.
[36:32] Speaker 15: So you know, we have that that culture of being
[36:35] Speaker 15: unafraid to try new stuff and to get into new
[36:37] Speaker 15: segments and new categories. But instead of just now throwing
[36:41] Speaker 15: spaghetti at the wall, there is structure and discipline behind it.
[36:46] Speaker 15: So when we try something new, you get something like
[36:49] Speaker 15: the RPC which just runs and runs and runs.
[36:52] Speaker 5: Which all that comes out of having the right leadership.
[36:55] Speaker 15: Absolutely, yeah, no, absolutely, and we have We're very fortunate,
[36:59] Speaker 15: we have great leadership and Brazil and great leadership here
[37:01] Speaker 15: in the States.
[37:02] Speaker 4: Yeah, terrific stuff. Well, I mean, it's exciting what's going
[37:05] Speaker 4: on there. And I just I guess that I would
[37:07] Speaker 4: circle all the way back to where we came in.
[37:08] Speaker 4: Is this is not the tourist that you think you knew.
[37:11] Speaker 4: If you haven't checked out the tourist guns in the
[37:13] Speaker 4: last two to four years, you owe it to yourself
[37:16] Speaker 4: to go take a look. I mean, and I miss
[37:18] Speaker 4: guilt as everybody. I go, really, and then you pick
[37:20] Speaker 4: it up and you go, well, this is not what
[37:21] Speaker 4: I thought it was gonna be. Over and over again.
[37:23] Speaker 4: This is not what I thought it was gonna be, right,
[37:25] Speaker 4: mm hmm. It's like, okay, cool, So one of those
[37:29] Speaker 4: just give it a chance. Yeah, absolutely, go check it out.
[37:33] Speaker 4: Handle one, even just handing one in the store. You're
[37:36] Speaker 4: gonna go, ah, this is really nice. And then they're
[37:40] Speaker 4: gonna say how much is this again?
[37:42] Speaker 9: Mm hmm?
[37:43] Speaker 15: Right, you know, And then that's kind of the thing
[37:45] Speaker 15: like when we did the g X two, which replaced
[37:48] Speaker 15: our long standing you know, G two C sales leader.
[37:52] Speaker 15: The whole point of the g X two was I
[37:55] Speaker 15: firmly believe that your budget should not dictate your ability
[37:59] Speaker 15: to exercise your constitution rights.
[38:00] Speaker 5: Thank you.
[38:01] Speaker 15: Right, And if you only have two hundred and fifty
[38:03] Speaker 15: dollars in your pocket, you also deserve to have a
[38:05] Speaker 15: handgun that works.
[38:06] Speaker 5: Should have a good handgun that can save your life.
[38:08] Speaker 15: Absolutely, So that was who we built the GX two for.
[38:11] Speaker 15: Is Hey, I need a gun to protect myself, protect
[38:14] Speaker 15: my family. I don't have a lot of money. Cool,
[38:16] Speaker 15: I got a gun for you.
[38:17] Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly here it is.
[38:19] Speaker 4: And not only is it just a gun that works,
[38:21] Speaker 4: it's a gun that actually works really well and you
[38:24] Speaker 4: can shoot it well.
[38:24] Speaker 9: You can.
[38:25] Speaker 15: Absolutely We tested the heck out of those guns and
[38:27] Speaker 15: they are really phenomenal shooters. Website tours USA dot com
[38:31] Speaker 15: and if you guys want to get accessories, spare mags
[38:33] Speaker 15: Holsters shop touris dot com.
[38:35] Speaker 4: Shop tours dot common so you get all the stuff
[38:37] Speaker 4: that Holsters accessories, magazines.
[38:39] Speaker 9: Absolutely all the rest that you buy it direct. Yepah,
[38:41] Speaker 9: have set your house.
[38:42] Speaker 15: And for all the people out there with t X
[38:44] Speaker 15: twenty two's, we have twenty two round TX two X
[38:46] Speaker 15: twenty two magazines on sale right sale.
[38:49] Speaker 4: Yeah, outstanding calem gettings. Thank It's always a pleasure, my.
[38:53] Speaker 5: Friend, thanks Tom, I appreciate it. Yeah, we're just about
[38:56] Speaker 5: the end of the show. I hope it worked out
[38:57] Speaker 5: well for you.
[38:57] Speaker 9: Do the perfect timing.
[38:59] Speaker 5: Very good.
[38:59] Speaker 7: All right, thanks so thank you, John.
[39:01] Speaker 5: Take care.
[39:02] Speaker 7: All right.
[39:02] Speaker 4: We're having fun here in the Ruger booth at the
[39:04] Speaker 4: Intera Antual Meetings. I'll be coming back in just a
[39:07] Speaker 4: minute to give you a little bit of the information
[39:08] Speaker 4: about my conversation with har Meat Dylan and Todd Blanche
[39:12] Speaker 4: of the.
[39:13] Speaker 5: Department of Justice.
[39:14] Speaker 4: Yeah, the US Justice Department here at the na show Man.
[39:26] Speaker 4: I was, hey, better than this. I was having any
[39:29] Speaker 4: more fun, I'd be twins. I'm having so much fun
[39:31] Speaker 4: around here. I get to hang out with my friends.
[39:34] Speaker 4: It's kind of like a home week or summer camp
[39:36] Speaker 4: or something. To go to the NRA show and see
[39:38] Speaker 4: people I've known for twenty thirty forty plus years. It's great.
[39:42] Speaker 4: And some of those people got older. I know I didn't,
[39:44] Speaker 4: but I don't know what the he goes with them.
[39:45] Speaker 4: But I got to tell you what happened. Was it yesterday?
[39:50] Speaker 4: No day before yesterday? On Friday, I think it was,
[39:56] Speaker 4: we had har Meat Dylan. I saw in the news
[40:00] Speaker 4: she was going to be at the show.
[40:01] Speaker 5: I said, well, that's cool.
[40:02] Speaker 4: We had interviewed her at chat show, and so I
[40:05] Speaker 4: sent a note to her people and said, hey, itch
[40:07] Speaker 4: chance we could get I mean, come on, she's the
[40:11] Speaker 4: Assistant US Attorney General in charge of the Civil Rights Division.
[40:14] Speaker 5: Any chance we could do an interview with her?
[40:17] Speaker 4: And I think because she had done the interview with
[40:18] Speaker 4: us before and she felt comfortable with it, they said, yeah,
[40:22] Speaker 4: we'll bring her by the booth.
[40:23] Speaker 5: So yeah, we did that.
[40:24] Speaker 4: So Harmy Dillon came by, We interviewed her on video
[40:27] Speaker 4: and we'll have that out in a few days. And
[40:30] Speaker 4: then right after that we were approached by the people
[40:33] Speaker 4: from Todd Blanche's office. He is the acting US attorney
[40:36] Speaker 4: took Pam Bondi's slot. Whether or not he ends up
[40:39] Speaker 4: with it permanently, I don't know. But we did an
[40:42] Speaker 4: interview with him and it was fascinating. Both of them
[40:45] Speaker 4: were great. You're going to love him. One of the
[40:47] Speaker 4: big takeaways I got one is that Harmy Dillon is
[40:51] Speaker 4: an absolute terror. You would not want to cross her.
[40:54] Speaker 4: When she gave me her challenge coin, I've never seen
[40:58] Speaker 4: a challenge coin from some in the US government, and
[41:01] Speaker 4: the middle of it, it says FAFO, Really okay, she
[41:07] Speaker 4: means it man, and she is going to go after
[41:10] Speaker 4: Virginia and Abigail Spamberger as soon as they not only
[41:15] Speaker 4: signed the law, but she says, she explained, Look, it's
[41:17] Speaker 4: got to actually go into effect before we cansue, not
[41:20] Speaker 4: just after it signed. It's got to go because they
[41:22] Speaker 4: may sign and say it goes into effect in twenty
[41:24] Speaker 4: days or one hundred and eighty days or whatever, but
[41:26] Speaker 4: after it goes into the fact they can sue. But
[41:28] Speaker 4: then my conversation with Todd Blanche was fascinating, and he
[41:32] Speaker 4: is the acting US Attorney General. Well, first of all,
[41:36] Speaker 4: turns out his mother in law owns a company that's
[41:39] Speaker 4: exhibiting here, Checkmate Magazines. He's he's in his family's in
[41:43] Speaker 4: the gun business, has been for forty years. So when okay,
[41:46] Speaker 4: this is a good thing. And then he said, look,
[41:49] Speaker 4: he said, I can just tell you that next week
[41:51] Speaker 4: as I'm talking to you right now, the coming week.
[41:54] Speaker 4: Sometime next week, he says, we're going to drop a
[41:56] Speaker 4: whole bunch of new regulations. We're going to drop some announcements,
[42:00] Speaker 4: We're going to change a bunch of regulations. He says,
[42:02] Speaker 4: ATF is no longer going to be going after gun
[42:04] Speaker 4: dealers for misplaced commas or transposed numbers or the zero
[42:10] Speaker 4: tolerance policy. He says, we're going to be going after
[42:12] Speaker 4: criminals like we should be. He said, we're not doing
[42:15] Speaker 4: that stuff anymore. So, Holy cow, I mean, it was
[42:19] Speaker 4: like this. He says, there's a bunch of stuff coming
[42:21] Speaker 4: and he says, of course we're going to get sued
[42:23] Speaker 4: over it. He says, but we're going to win. I mean, look,
[42:26] Speaker 4: he's the head of the Department's Justice. They got lawyers.
[42:28] Speaker 4: He said, yeah, we're going to get sued and it's
[42:30] Speaker 4: going to be a fight. And all this goes back
[42:34] Speaker 4: to and I've said this before, and it irritates some
[42:37] Speaker 4: people for some reason, because some people really like the
[42:39] Speaker 4: bad mouth Trump.
[42:40] Speaker 5: Even on our side.
[42:41] Speaker 4: They said, well, he didn't do this. He didn't do that,
[42:44] Speaker 4: Pan Bomby did BONDI didn't do that. I know, I
[42:47] Speaker 4: get it. It takes a while. That was both of them,
[42:49] Speaker 4: both the harmy Dillon and Todd Blant spoke said, look,
[42:53] Speaker 4: this stuff takes a while. We're moving really fast, but
[42:58] Speaker 4: you know, just do it all overnight. Put all that
[43:02] Speaker 4: to say, I personally think this is the most pro
[43:06] Speaker 4: Second Amendment administration we've ever had, probably in the history
[43:10] Speaker 4: of the country. Honestly, I don't think there's ever been
[43:13] Speaker 4: anything like this. I'm not saying that Donald Trump is
[43:16] Speaker 4: super pro gun. I think he's pretty pro gun, but
[43:19] Speaker 4: he's put in the right people and they are just
[43:23] Speaker 4: charging ahead hard. So anyway, we'll look for this next week,
[43:27] Speaker 4: look for the announcements coming out of the Department of Justice,
[43:29] Speaker 4: see what they're going to do. I don't know what
[43:30] Speaker 4: it is, but it sounds like it's going to be big.
[43:33] Speaker 4: So we'll see what transpires there. But I am encouraged
[43:37] Speaker 4: and I am hopeful, and I think we're in a
[43:40] Speaker 4: really really good place. Of course, if we don't win
[43:43] Speaker 4: the midterm elections, all that could get reversed, or at
[43:46] Speaker 4: least they could throw out the anchor and stop the progress.
[43:48] Speaker 4: So we've got to make the commitment to get out
[43:51] Speaker 4: the vote. There you go, Tom Gresham, here we have
[43:53] Speaker 4: the Rugerbee. We'll be right back

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