# Gun Activists Plan Strategy; Bear Guns; Learning To Look For Danger

An episode of [Gun Talk](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/190516844), 24 May 2026, 44 min.

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In This Hour: -- Gun rights activists gather next week at the New England Firearms Advocacy Conference, where they will share experiences and plan strategy to support the Second Amendment. Holly Sullivan of the Citizens Committee To Keep And Bear Arms explains what will happen there. -- Is the 10mm enough for bear protection? -- Looking isn't seeing. How do you learn to see trouble and avoid it? Gun Talk 05.24.26 Hour 2 Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/gun-talk--6185159/support.

## Transcript

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[0:48] Speaker 2: Yeah, we're still talking about guns around here. I'm Tom Gresham. Well,
[0:51] Speaker 2: it's called gun talks. And what do you else, What
[0:53] Speaker 2: do you think we're gonna be doing around here? We
[0:54] Speaker 2: talk about guns well, and the second I'm going then advocacy.
[0:58] Speaker 2: Of course, we talk about all of that. If if
[1:00] Speaker 2: you have a gun you want to tell me about
[1:02] Speaker 2: or maybe a question to ask, Maybe maybe you just
[1:05] Speaker 2: have been thinking about buying your first gun you're not
[1:10] Speaker 2: sure how to go about it or what you need,
[1:12] Speaker 2: by all means, give me a call. We'll talk it through.
[1:15] Speaker 2: You know, they're all saying there are no stupid questions.
[1:18] Speaker 2: That's not true. There are some, but we can help you.
[1:21] Speaker 2: They're not gonna be stupid questions today. Okay, we'll help
[1:24] Speaker 2: you out with that. Give me a call. Eight sixty
[1:26] Speaker 2: six Talk gun or Tom, Talk Gun. Joining Ris right
[1:28] Speaker 2: now as Holly Sullivan from the Citizens Committee for the
[1:31] Speaker 2: Right to Keep in Bare Arms. Holly, I'm glad that
[1:34] Speaker 2: you are here. What is this event you got going
[1:36] Speaker 2: next week?
[1:38] Speaker 4: Hey?
[1:38] Speaker 5: Tom, so thankful for having me on. So we actually
[1:41] Speaker 5: have a first of its kind conference coming up next weekend, Saturday,
[1:45] Speaker 5: May thirtieth, in Chickapea, Massachusetts. So this is the New
[1:49] Speaker 5: England Firearms Advocacy Conference, and we have an all star
[1:54] Speaker 5: lineup of legislators, attorneys, second Amendment groups and it's really
[1:59] Speaker 5: bringing New England together in a way that's never happened before.
[2:03] Speaker 2: What's the idea behind it? Who's going and what are
[2:06] Speaker 2: they going to get out of this?
[2:08] Speaker 4: Yeah?
[2:08] Speaker 5: Absolutely So attendees literally it can be anybody. You can
[2:13] Speaker 5: be a gun owner. You could not be a gun owner,
[2:15] Speaker 5: just believe in the Second Amendment, maybe want to learn
[2:17] Speaker 5: more about what's going on in two A advocacy. Here
[2:21] Speaker 5: in New England. We live pretty deep behind the blue
[2:24] Speaker 5: curtain here, as I like to call it. I'm here
[2:28] Speaker 5: in Connecticut, and we are a pretty anti Second Amendment state,
[2:32] Speaker 5: and we are hosting the conference in Massachusetts, which of
[2:35] Speaker 5: course is also a very anti Second Amendment state. And
[2:38] Speaker 5: I think part of the message there is that we're
[2:40] Speaker 5: willing to go where the fight is. It's not enough
[2:44] Speaker 5: to just do it in the places where those Second
[2:47] Speaker 5: Amendment rights are respected. We really have to be fighting
[2:49] Speaker 5: the fight on the ground, and chick a Pee is
[2:52] Speaker 5: absolutely the perfect place for it. So anybody who's driving
[2:56] Speaker 5: distance or if you want to hop on a plane
[2:58] Speaker 5: at this point, you certainly can. Some people are. But
[3:01] Speaker 5: we've got folks coming from all across New England, the
[3:03] Speaker 5: tri state area coming in to really start doing a
[3:07] Speaker 5: deep dive into Second Amendment challenges here in New England.
[3:12] Speaker 5: We have legislators coming from various states. We've got senators,
[3:16] Speaker 5: we've got House representatives. We're going to hear from five
[3:19] Speaker 5: or six different attorneys throughout the day. It is really
[3:22] Speaker 5: a jam pack deep dive into the Second Amendment problems
[3:26] Speaker 5: in New England, what to look out for, what are
[3:29] Speaker 5: our victories, what's working, what's not? And most importantly, and
[3:33] Speaker 5: what I'm most excited about, is how do we start
[3:36] Speaker 5: making progress together? How do we break down barriers, get
[3:40] Speaker 5: out of our silos and start talking to our neighbors
[3:43] Speaker 5: and our neighboring states about how we can start to
[3:46] Speaker 5: move the needles in the other direction.
[3:48] Speaker 2: It sounds like it's kind of a small version of
[3:52] Speaker 2: the Gun Rights Policy Conference where people get together say, Okay,
[3:55] Speaker 2: what are you guys doing over there that's working? What
[3:57] Speaker 2: have you run into over there? We can learn from you.
[4:00] Speaker 2: And in terms of the people who attend this, where
[4:03] Speaker 2: do they get out of it is figuring out what
[4:07] Speaker 2: actually works, how to win, and what does winning look
[4:11] Speaker 2: like because and you know, Holly, a lot of the folks,
[4:14] Speaker 2: unfortunately on our side, sometimes they're enthusiastic but not really
[4:20] Speaker 2: politically savvy about what really works. And it's not enough
[4:25] Speaker 2: to say, hey, we've got the Second Amendment and we're right. Well,
[4:27] Speaker 2: those two things are true, but you could be right
[4:30] Speaker 2: and continue to lose. And sometimes in these blue states
[4:33] Speaker 2: that's what's been going on.
[4:35] Speaker 5: Absolutely, and you're spot on when you're talking about Gun
[4:38] Speaker 5: Rights Policy Conference. So as I'm sure you know, Gun
[4:41] Speaker 5: Right's Policy Conference is hosted by two organizations, the Second
[4:44] Speaker 5: Amendment Foundation and the Citizens Committee for the Right to
[4:47] Speaker 5: Keep Them Their Arms. These two organizations are both chaired
[4:50] Speaker 5: by Alan Gottlieb, and so we are the Citizens Committee
[4:53] Speaker 5: for the Right to Keep Them Their Arms that is
[4:54] Speaker 5: hosting this conference, New England Firearms Advocacy Conference. And I
[4:58] Speaker 5: think part of the amazing thing about this is that
[5:01] Speaker 5: we're taking that really high level content that you get
[5:06] Speaker 5: at gRPC and bringing it locally so that the average
[5:10] Speaker 5: person has access to it. And one of the wonderful
[5:12] Speaker 5: things about New England is it's very drivable. We've got
[5:15] Speaker 5: six states where we're kind of jammed in together, so
[5:18] Speaker 5: it's very accessible to everybody here. I mean, you know,
[5:21] Speaker 5: I get it, and may northern Mainers may have a
[5:25] Speaker 5: little bit of a hike, but for the vast majority
[5:27] Speaker 5: of the population of New England, Chickapea, Massachusetts is dead
[5:31] Speaker 5: in the center where everybody can easily get there be
[5:33] Speaker 5: a highway. So really, yes, you're exactly right. We're taking
[5:36] Speaker 5: that concept and making it more locally accessible, Holly.
[5:41] Speaker 2: In my head, I'm seeing a person who's in that area,
[5:46] Speaker 2: who believes in the Second Amendment, wants to do something
[5:48] Speaker 2: about the Secondmendment, and whether they've he or she had
[5:52] Speaker 2: voiced it, their saying to themselves, yeah, but I really
[5:56] Speaker 2: don't know anything about this. I don't know what to do.
[6:00] Speaker 2: You know, this person could go to this conference and
[6:03] Speaker 2: sit there and not say a word. You're not going
[6:05] Speaker 2: to be put on the spot of what are you doing,
[6:08] Speaker 2: and just absorb and just learn and go, oh, okay,
[6:12] Speaker 2: there are some things that I individually can be doing
[6:15] Speaker 2: to help with the process.
[6:17] Speaker 5: Absolutely, And we're going to have all of the players
[6:21] Speaker 5: from their state in the room. So if you don't
[6:24] Speaker 5: yet know how to make a difference, this is the
[6:27] Speaker 5: perfect opportunity to have a moment to introduce yourself for
[6:31] Speaker 5: whatever it is, and it will come to you and
[6:33] Speaker 5: say hey, thanks for being here, like what's your interests?
[6:36] Speaker 5: And they may say, well, you know, maybe they're from
[6:38] Speaker 5: the Free State of New Hampshire but they don't like
[6:41] Speaker 5: the direction that their legislatures starting to go, or maybe
[6:45] Speaker 5: they're in Maine and they recently saw what it's like
[6:48] Speaker 5: to get these bad bills. Same goes for Vermont. You know, Vermont,
[6:53] Speaker 5: we kind of assume here in Connecticut, Vermont is very
[6:56] Speaker 5: free to us. But you know, folks from the honor
[6:59] Speaker 5: seeing some bad bills for the very first time, This
[7:02] Speaker 5: is really an opportunity to make those connections. And every
[7:06] Speaker 5: single state will have representation in that room as far
[7:10] Speaker 5: as what's happening in your state legislature, what's happening in
[7:14] Speaker 5: the Second Amendment world in your local area, and how
[7:18] Speaker 5: to be a part of it.
[7:20] Speaker 2: And for the person who's sitting there in Florida or
[7:23] Speaker 2: Mississippi or Missouri saying okay, well, why do I care
[7:25] Speaker 2: about that? Here's why you care is because what happens
[7:28] Speaker 2: in California and what happens in New England oozes out
[7:32] Speaker 2: like slime to the rest of the country. And if
[7:35] Speaker 2: you stop it there, it makes a difference. And let
[7:38] Speaker 2: me ask you how, I mean, I love what the
[7:41] Speaker 2: concept of this. In essence, it's like a regional gun
[7:45] Speaker 2: rights policy conference. Is there talk yet? And I know
[7:49] Speaker 2: this is very early on because you're just starting this one,
[7:51] Speaker 2: but is there talk about maybe taking this to other
[7:53] Speaker 2: regions of the country.
[7:55] Speaker 5: There absolutely is, And it's already in the work, so
[7:58] Speaker 5: we do. We have folks that are flying in from
[8:00] Speaker 5: this to this conference, from San Diego, from Arizona. They's
[8:05] Speaker 5: got a gentleman coming up from Georgia. We've got coming
[8:07] Speaker 5: from Ohio. And this is really the exciting direction that
[8:11] Speaker 5: Citizens Committee is going is taking this really important information
[8:17] Speaker 5: and getting it out to the local area. So that
[8:19] Speaker 5: is exactly what we're working on. New Jersey's very fired
[8:22] Speaker 5: up about it, you know, and bringing this conference out
[8:25] Speaker 5: to different regions. And I think you're going to see
[8:27] Speaker 5: a lot more coming out of the Citizens Committee for
[8:29] Speaker 5: the Right to Keep the bear arms.
[8:32] Speaker 2: To me, this is the answer to people who say
[8:37] Speaker 2: I would love to help, but I don't know how.
[8:40] Speaker 2: This is the one where they say, Okay, this is how,
[8:43] Speaker 2: this is who you work with, this is who you join,
[8:46] Speaker 2: this is what it takes. Just put your toe in
[8:48] Speaker 2: the water. We'll take you the rest of the way.
[8:51] Speaker 5: That's exactly right, and it's really the most welcoming group
[8:54] Speaker 5: of people. Anybody who's in our community in the second
[8:57] Speaker 5: eleven community knows that you will be welcomed with open
[9:00] Speaker 5: arms and how can we help you? And let's chat
[9:02] Speaker 5: and keep in touch and it's just the most wonderful
[9:04] Speaker 5: group of all American people just doing what they can
[9:08] Speaker 5: to fight the good fight.
[9:10] Speaker 2: And this is coming up next Saturday, right it is.
[9:13] Speaker 5: Yeah, So it's Saturday, May thirtieth. It's nine to four
[9:16] Speaker 5: thirty in Chickapea, Massachusetts, and there are still general admission
[9:20] Speaker 5: tickets available, so I would encourage folks to please buy
[9:23] Speaker 5: them in advance so we can give the venue the
[9:26] Speaker 5: opportunity to get an adequate headcount for food. But your
[9:29] Speaker 5: twenty five dollars admission to this conference gives you a pastry, breakfast,
[9:34] Speaker 5: coffee throughout the day, and we're going to feed you lunch,
[9:37] Speaker 5: so you really cann't go wrong for twenty five dollars.
[9:40] Speaker 5: And I'm very grateful for our sponsor at USCCA to
[9:43] Speaker 5: to helped make that possible for twenty five dollars to
[9:46] Speaker 5: come in and get a full immersive day including food
[9:50] Speaker 5: throughout the day.
[9:52] Speaker 2: Where did they sign up? Yeah?
[9:54] Speaker 5: Super easy. So the Citizens Committee for the Right to
[9:58] Speaker 5: Keep the Bear Arms is simply ceased KBA dot org
[10:02] Speaker 5: and then forward slash SAC which chandfor Firearms Advocacy Conference.
[10:07] Speaker 5: If that's too much to remember, just do a simple
[10:10] Speaker 5: Google New England Firearms Advocacy Conference. It will pop right
[10:13] Speaker 5: up right there and if folks are interested, I would
[10:16] Speaker 5: really encourage them to purchase tickets either today on Sunday
[10:19] Speaker 5: or tomorrow on Monday. We'd love to have our headcounting
[10:23] Speaker 5: to the venue for Tuesday.
[10:25] Speaker 2: There you go. Systems Committee for the Right to Keep
[10:27] Speaker 2: in Bear Arms CCRKBA dot Org. Holly, thank you so much.
[10:32] Speaker 2: A great idea. I love seeing the idea that this
[10:34] Speaker 2: is going to move around the country. This is a
[10:36] Speaker 2: great concept.
[10:37] Speaker 5: Thanks so much.
[10:38] Speaker 6: Tom.
[10:39] Speaker 2: All Right, you take care of yourself. A great weekend.
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[12:59] Speaker 1: Two and fifty years of American liberty, Ruger is honoring
[13:02] Speaker 1: that milestone with firearms worthy of the moment. The two
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[13:24] Speaker 1: Jen two.
[13:25] Speaker 11: These aren't just guns.
[13:41] Speaker 2: Well, we're just talking about gun unfriendly states. And then
[13:47] Speaker 2: last week we get this story comes out. Ruger Ruger
[13:50] Speaker 2: Firearms headquartered in Southport, Connecticut, founded in nineteen forty nine
[13:55] Speaker 2: by William Bannerman Ruger W. William B. Ruger and Alexander
[14:01] Speaker 2: Stern was Sturm Ruger. Of course, they they're leaving. They're
[14:08] Speaker 2: leaving Connecticut. They're moving their headquarters to Mayo Dane, North Carolina,
[14:13] Speaker 2: where they've had a factory in a presence for some
[14:16] Speaker 2: time now. Ruger has factories all over the country. Actually,
[14:22] Speaker 2: I was surprised at this one. Honestly. They've been in
[14:27] Speaker 2: Connecticut from the found founding, from the beginning, and yet
[14:32] Speaker 2: maybe I shouldn't have been because Connecticut has to become
[14:36] Speaker 2: rapidly antisecond Amendment viciously. I mean to the point of
[14:42] Speaker 2: saying that they're going to ban glocks, and everything's like
[14:44] Speaker 2: a glock, including the Ruger rx M. We'll see how
[14:50] Speaker 2: that goes in the courts. But I guess they probably
[14:54] Speaker 2: just got to the point where the political political environment
[14:58] Speaker 2: was just so ugly that they couldn't stay there. Ruber
[15:03] Speaker 2: has plants in Newport, New Hampshire, Prescott, Arizona, Earth City, Missouri,
[15:08] Speaker 2: and hebron Kentucky. Of course, North Carolina is a good state.
[15:15] Speaker 2: It doesn't have permitless carry, it's not perfect. Who knows,
[15:19] Speaker 2: maybe the Ruger influence can make a difference there as well.
[15:23] Speaker 2: So that's kind of interesting. We have seen a number
[15:27] Speaker 2: of gun companies move, Smith and Wesson moving down to
[15:30] Speaker 2: Tennessee from Massachusetts. Some other companies have moved, like Bagpull
[15:36] Speaker 2: moved several years ago. And it's interesting because the governors
[15:43] Speaker 2: or the legislature whoever it is a lot of himself,
[15:45] Speaker 2: say well, they're not going to move. It costs them
[15:47] Speaker 2: too much to move. They've been they realized well no,
[15:49] Speaker 2: actually they just left. And then of course they come
[15:52] Speaker 2: back and say, well that's fine, goodbye. Who cares? Well,
[15:56] Speaker 2: they do care because they've took a lot of jobs
[15:57] Speaker 2: with them, but weirdly enough, their agenda, their narrative, is
[16:05] Speaker 2: more important to them than having people have good paying
[16:09] Speaker 2: jobs in their state. So that's what's going on with Ruger.
[16:14] Speaker 2: All right. So I did two things the last couple
[16:18] Speaker 2: of weeks that I'm able to connect to my mind
[16:22] Speaker 2: and wouldn't seem like they're connected. Maybe. I did the
[16:29] Speaker 2: two fifty class, the Jeff Cooper Commemorative two fifty class
[16:33] Speaker 2: at Gunsight. It's five days of fire's instruction. And then
[16:38] Speaker 2: this week I did three days of training where I
[16:42] Speaker 2: was the student doing backcountry flying here in Idaho, that
[16:48] Speaker 2: is flying in the mountains, through the canyons, landing at
[16:52] Speaker 2: little bitty air strips out in the middle of nowhere,
[16:54] Speaker 2: little gravel strips where there are no roads, and trying
[16:58] Speaker 2: to figure out how do you get into here? How
[17:00] Speaker 2: do you fly through this river? How do you fly?
[17:02] Speaker 2: I mean it's like a Star Wars approach, flying through
[17:05] Speaker 2: a canyon through almost like a tunnel, and getting some
[17:08] Speaker 2: good instruction and in the process. I mean, I loved it. It
[17:12] Speaker 2: was great fun because I love flying. It's like my
[17:16] Speaker 2: other turning money into noise activity guns and airplanes. I
[17:21] Speaker 2: don't do boats. I've done a lot of boats. I
[17:23] Speaker 2: grew up in boats. I have the best boats in
[17:26] Speaker 2: the world right now. My friends have boats, and they
[17:30] Speaker 2: say that we don't run our boats enough. You know
[17:32] Speaker 2: where the keys are. Just take our boats anytime you want. Okay, cool,
[17:35] Speaker 2: don't work. It's kind of like other people's ammo. Other
[17:38] Speaker 2: people's boats works really well for me too, so I
[17:40] Speaker 2: get to do that. But yeah, I fly old airplanes.
[17:44] Speaker 2: As I tell people, I drive old cars so that
[17:47] Speaker 2: I can fly an old airplane. That's fine. But the
[17:55] Speaker 2: risk analysis was similar between the guns and the airplanes
[18:01] Speaker 2: of doing things to say Okay, I know that I
[18:05] Speaker 2: recognize the danger here. When you are flying in the
[18:08] Speaker 2: back country, you got nothing but rocks and trees under you,
[18:11] Speaker 2: and some places there's no good place to put a
[18:13] Speaker 2: plane down if you had to. You are mitigating risks.
[18:19] Speaker 2: I was thinking about that round I had where I
[18:22] Speaker 2: had the reversed primer that cost me to shoot off.
[18:26] Speaker 2: I am going to say it cost me to shoot off.
[18:30] Speaker 2: In my mind, I can say, well, I was going
[18:31] Speaker 2: to win that. Now I may not want it, but
[18:33] Speaker 2: that's okay. I can blame it on the primer, right.
[18:36] Speaker 2: But you know, think about this. Inspecting your AMMO every
[18:41] Speaker 2: single round that you use for self defense or for
[18:44] Speaker 2: competition is not unlike doing a pre flight on an airplane.
[18:50] Speaker 2: You walk around, you check it, You check the oil,
[18:52] Speaker 2: and you check the gas. You check all the important
[18:54] Speaker 2: stuff because this is important and in the case of
[18:58] Speaker 2: a self defense gun or an airplane, you could end
[19:01] Speaker 2: up dead if you do it wrong. Okay, this is
[19:04] Speaker 2: really important. That's why we have procedures. That's why we
[19:08] Speaker 2: have checklist, That's why we have certain way that we
[19:12] Speaker 2: draw the gun. That's why we have a certain way
[19:14] Speaker 2: that we put the gun back into the holster. We
[19:16] Speaker 2: have a certain way that we move that we when
[19:19] Speaker 2: we shoot, we stay on the site. Just in aviation,
[19:25] Speaker 2: I've heard it said a lot, and we have a
[19:26] Speaker 2: lot of regulations they call they're called the faars, the
[19:29] Speaker 2: Federal Aviation Regulations. And people have said, look, all the
[19:35] Speaker 2: fairs are written in blood because they are a result
[19:39] Speaker 2: of accidents. And we figured out what happened, and we
[19:42] Speaker 2: came up with a regulation to try to address that.
[19:48] Speaker 2: And in a way we think about the what we
[19:50] Speaker 2: do with guns and self defense guns. A lot of
[19:54] Speaker 2: the procedures that we use if you go get good
[19:58] Speaker 2: trading are the same thing. They are a result of
[20:03] Speaker 2: examining what worked and what didn't, what went wrong? How
[20:06] Speaker 2: do we address that? How can we be better at this?
[20:11] Speaker 2: It's just I don't know. I find the parallels very interesting.
[20:16] Speaker 2: So it's a lot of his mindset and we talk
[20:23] Speaker 2: about that affair amount. It's like getting your head right.
[20:26] Speaker 2: Getting your head right is trying to avoid the situation.
[20:29] Speaker 2: You know what, do we say the best way to
[20:31] Speaker 2: win a gunfight is to not be there? Just how
[20:34] Speaker 2: about just don't be there when this thing goes down?
[20:38] Speaker 2: And how do you achieve that way? You ramp up
[20:40] Speaker 2: your awareness, you're looking around. We talked about having that
[20:45] Speaker 2: code word. We've talked about that on the show here
[20:47] Speaker 2: for years for your family of you have this word,
[20:50] Speaker 2: the one that one of the instructors said, he said,
[20:52] Speaker 2: our family word came up with. He said, I'll let
[20:55] Speaker 2: the kids choose it. It was a broken arrow. Something
[20:58] Speaker 2: that's not going to come up in a conversation. If
[21:01] Speaker 2: one of the members of our family says, broken arrow,
[21:03] Speaker 2: we need to go to the parking lot right now,
[21:05] Speaker 2: Nobody says, why, what's going on? What are you talking about?
[21:09] Speaker 2: What are you? Nope, yes, put down your fork, let's
[21:13] Speaker 2: go stand up or walking out the door right now.
[21:15] Speaker 2: We'll discuss it once we get out there. But we
[21:17] Speaker 2: got to go broken arrow that we need to go
[21:21] Speaker 2: to the car right now. Okay? Cool. It buys time
[21:29] Speaker 2: in the ten seconds or thirty seconds, it buys you,
[21:33] Speaker 2: maybe enough to get you away from whatever it is
[21:35] Speaker 2: that's going down. And maybe there's nothing going down. Maybe
[21:38] Speaker 2: you just saw something that looked a little weird and
[21:41] Speaker 2: funky going. I don't like that. I don't know what's
[21:44] Speaker 2: going on over there. I don't want to be here
[21:47] Speaker 2: when this thing gets sorted out, and maybe you come
[21:50] Speaker 2: back in two minutes and it's not a thing at all.
[21:54] Speaker 2: But it's a part of the mindset of being aware.
[21:59] Speaker 2: Not staring at your phone when you're walking through a
[22:03] Speaker 2: parking lot. For heaven's sakes, if you have to do
[22:08] Speaker 2: something on your phone somewhere, back up and put your
[22:12] Speaker 2: walk You're back against a wall, so people can't sneak
[22:16] Speaker 2: up behind you while you're staring at this thing in
[22:19] Speaker 2: front of you. It's like, well, I never would have
[22:23] Speaker 2: thought of that. Yes, I know, that's why we talk
[22:25] Speaker 2: about it here. What are the things you do? What
[22:28] Speaker 2: do you do to say, Okay, I'm going to be
[22:29] Speaker 2: a little bit more aware. Something you do when you're
[22:32] Speaker 2: driving in traffic, Something you do when you're crossing the
[22:35] Speaker 2: street or in a parking lot or some other place.
[22:37] Speaker 2: I know you have things that you do. What do
[22:39] Speaker 2: you do and what do you tell your family? Give
[22:41] Speaker 2: me a holler at eight six six talk Gun or
[22:44] Speaker 2: Tom Talk Gun check us out over on X. I
[22:47] Speaker 2: am Gun Talk there at gun Talk. We'll be right back.
[22:55] Speaker 2: You know, it doesn't really matter if you want to
[22:57] Speaker 2: talk about handguns or rifles or shotgun. We'll talk about
[23:00] Speaker 2: all of those are ways to store your guns safely.
[23:04] Speaker 2: They're available to you for self defense, but still secure
[23:08] Speaker 2: against somebody else. Get in the hold of it. Basically,
[23:12] Speaker 2: we'll talk about pretty much anything. Give me a Hollo
[23:13] Speaker 2: eight sixty six talk gun. If you got a thought
[23:15] Speaker 2: on that, our question, how you want to proceed, we'll
[23:18] Speaker 2: help you out there. Let's see. Paul called in from Nampa,
[23:21] Speaker 2: Idaho online too. Hey Paul, you're on gun Talk. What's up?
[23:26] Speaker 12: Hey, Good afternoon, Tom. Great Memorial Day weekend going on here? Hey,
[23:31] Speaker 12: I got a rain report for a I carried three
[23:36] Speaker 12: to eighty and I used to carry a Versa because
[23:41] Speaker 12: I could afford it. And I walked into a gun
[23:44] Speaker 12: show the other gun show, gunshop the other day, and
[23:49] Speaker 12: in the case was a Barretta eighty five bb OH
[23:56] Speaker 12: with blue scale slide and a luminum frame. And it's
[24:01] Speaker 12: just a single stack, but I kind of like that because, uh,
[24:05] Speaker 12: a little slimmer profile. But I've got big hands, so
[24:10] Speaker 12: frame put my hand and the thing shoots really well.
[24:15] Speaker 12: I like it considerably more than the than the Versa, triggers, nice,
[24:20] Speaker 12: et cetera.
[24:22] Speaker 2: Well, Yeahretta, it's it's double action, single action, right. The
[24:27] Speaker 2: Asa correct. Correct? Did you have any trouble with the
[24:34] Speaker 2: transition between that heavy first double action pole and then
[24:37] Speaker 2: the next one being a single action pole?
[24:41] Speaker 12: Uh?
[24:44] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[24:45] Speaker 12: On the Bursa, yeah, you know, I don't want to
[24:47] Speaker 12: I want to rain on their parade. But compared to
[24:50] Speaker 12: the Barretta, it was like night and day.
[24:54] Speaker 2: Well yeah, I mean you look at it now. I
[24:57] Speaker 2: know you bought the Barretta used, but if you looked
[24:59] Speaker 2: at the the retail price is probably two or three
[25:02] Speaker 2: times the cost of the Bursa.
[25:06] Speaker 12: Uh yeah. I actually bought it at at Cabella's and
[25:12] Speaker 12: uh you know, I dropped my wife off across the
[25:14] Speaker 12: street to go shopping, and I went shopping in burt
[25:17] Speaker 12: Oh so you used huh yeah. So I was not
[25:22] Speaker 12: expecting to uh buy again, but walked into their library
[25:26] Speaker 12: and there they were. I'd never actually seen one before.
[25:30] Speaker 12: I go, that's a good looking little pistol.
[25:34] Speaker 2: And uh well, I can just tell you that it's
[25:38] Speaker 2: that's never happened to me, and that I walked into
[25:41] Speaker 2: a store and ended up buying a gun I didn't
[25:43] Speaker 2: expect to buy. I can't imagine how that would happen
[25:46] Speaker 2: to anybody.
[25:47] Speaker 12: Yeah, well, that the bonus. The bonus was they took
[25:51] Speaker 12: took the bursa on trade. So oh wow there with
[25:56] Speaker 12: a nice.
[25:57] Speaker 2: Little Now that that is a nice pistol. And yeah,
[26:00] Speaker 2: with today's modern three eighty defensive, ammo, it's just fine.
[26:04] Speaker 2: You got to check yourself. A nice pistol there, Wait
[26:07] Speaker 2: to go, paula good ranger Port. Thank you for the call, sir.
[26:10] Speaker 2: Let's grab James online one out of Texas. Hey James,
[26:14] Speaker 2: you're on gun Talk. What's going on here?
[26:17] Speaker 4: Oh Timmy, your friends might need to look out for
[26:21] Speaker 4: a former congressman, former anti gun Congressman Swalwell who had
[26:25] Speaker 4: to resign due.
[26:26] Speaker 12: To sexual assault charges.
[26:28] Speaker 4: In Yes, speakers at the Brady Action Awards in twenty
[26:32] Speaker 4: twenty four, big fundraiser for them. It was on YouTube,
[26:37] Speaker 4: but they took it down. I have heard that it's
[26:41] Speaker 4: supposedly a film clip of Swallwell with a woman who
[26:44] Speaker 4: accused him of sexually assaulting her right after this event.
[26:49] Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting how some of the politicians will go
[26:54] Speaker 2: be a speaker at or appear with the gun band groups,
[26:58] Speaker 2: but then they want to basically erase all of the
[27:01] Speaker 2: evidence of that because they want to claim that they
[27:05] Speaker 2: are a moderate in the middle of the road or
[27:07] Speaker 2: the whole. Well, I support the Second Amendment, but they
[27:11] Speaker 2: always know the butt in, you know, but actually do
[27:14] Speaker 2: want to take your guns away, which is a weird
[27:16] Speaker 2: kind of way to support the Second Amendment. But no,
[27:18] Speaker 2: you're you're exactly right. I mean you have slime balls
[27:22] Speaker 2: like Swallwell and and others. I mean, you got well
[27:26] Speaker 2: right now in Virginia, the governor, she was a volunteer
[27:30] Speaker 2: and activist for the anti gun lobby, and how she
[27:34] Speaker 2: is the governor after proclaiming herself to be a moderate
[27:37] Speaker 2: and not at all against the Second Amendment, and of
[27:39] Speaker 2: course now she's still pushing for it and just signed
[27:42] Speaker 2: gun bands in Virginia. So yeah, no, you make an
[27:45] Speaker 2: excellent point. You got to keep an eye on these
[27:47] Speaker 2: folks and watch what they do, not what they say,
[27:50] Speaker 2: and if they're getting money from the gun band lobby,
[27:53] Speaker 2: and if they are particularly like guest speakers that these
[27:56] Speaker 2: places are, they're volunteers their gun banners. No matter what
[27:59] Speaker 2: they say, they'll say, yeah, I don't really no, no, no,
[28:01] Speaker 2: no no. If you're aligned with those folks, you're a
[28:04] Speaker 2: gun banner. Great call, sir. I appreciate the heads up
[28:06] Speaker 2: on that. Let's go to hell and online five out
[28:09] Speaker 2: of North Dakota. Hey, how you're on gun Talk? What's up?
[28:12] Speaker 13: Yeah? Yeah, I've been listening to your show for a while,
[28:15] Speaker 13: and I've been hearing all this talk about magazine capacity
[28:20] Speaker 13: and silent thurs and all that. It reminded me of
[28:25] Speaker 13: when I was a kid in our hardware store, must
[28:29] Speaker 13: have been about forty eight forty nine around and there
[28:35] Speaker 13: when this pastor brought it a four ten Stevens pistol
[28:40] Speaker 13: into our hardware store, and he told my dad he's
[28:45] Speaker 13: feeling more like a criminal every day because because he
[28:49] Speaker 13: owned this little garden gun for cottontails and gophers in
[28:54] Speaker 13: his garden. And my dad as much as told him,
[28:58] Speaker 13: when you don't don't feel alone, the sort of the
[29:02] Speaker 13: guys that got marble game getters, or the guys that
[29:06] Speaker 13: happened to sot their shotgun barrels, or the guys that
[29:11] Speaker 13: just had returned from Germany with an automatic pistol in
[29:16] Speaker 13: their sea bag, or even his uncle had a spand
[29:20] Speaker 13: out machine gun from World War One hanging over his
[29:25] Speaker 13: his mantle as a reminder of the war. So, uh,
[29:31] Speaker 13: I think we don't want to lose sight of the
[29:33] Speaker 13: fact that the Second Amendment has has really nothing to
[29:38] Speaker 13: do with hunting or target shooting or even even personal defense.
[29:44] Speaker 13: It has to do with preventing government tyranny. Who get
[29:49] Speaker 13: another guy like Paul Potter Hitler or malech he Tongue.
[29:56] Speaker 2: That's that's why they put it into the constitution. They
[29:59] Speaker 2: just fought this war of independence and the British had
[30:02] Speaker 2: come to take their guns. That's how the Revolutionary War started,
[30:06] Speaker 2: and they said, we're going to make sure we put
[30:07] Speaker 2: this in there that if we end up with a
[30:09] Speaker 2: tyrannical government, the people will have the arms they need,
[30:15] Speaker 2: not necessarily firearms, at arms, which includes a lot of
[30:17] Speaker 2: different things to be able to resist this kind of tyranny.
[30:20] Speaker 2: So you're you're right on the money, You're exactly right.
[30:23] Speaker 2: Good call, Thank you, sir. I appreciate that. And of
[30:27] Speaker 2: course the Supreme Court in Heller does say that, yes,
[30:32] Speaker 2: the Second Amendment is about fighting tyranny, but it's also
[30:36] Speaker 2: for self defense. So they've included that that's been incorporated
[30:40] Speaker 2: into what the Supreme Court supports. That unfortunately has been
[30:45] Speaker 2: twisted and I wouldn't say misinterpreted, but that's not right,
[30:50] Speaker 2: misstated basically lied about from a number of states. You say, well,
[30:54] Speaker 2: you know, the Supreme Court said that, you know, you
[30:57] Speaker 2: can't ban guns that are in common use for self defense.
[31:01] Speaker 2: I'm sorry, that is not what the Supreme Court said
[31:06] Speaker 2: in Heller. What they said was you cannot ban guns
[31:11] Speaker 2: that are in common use for lawful purposes. And then
[31:17] Speaker 2: they added, such as for self defense. That was a
[31:23] Speaker 2: here's an example of common use for lawful purposes. So
[31:29] Speaker 2: self defense would be a lawful purpose. There would be
[31:32] Speaker 2: a number of other lawful purposes. But at no point
[31:35] Speaker 2: did the Supreme Court ever say that you can't ban
[31:37] Speaker 2: guns that are in common use for self defense. And
[31:40] Speaker 2: yet that is what's in the briefs of the gun
[31:43] Speaker 2: banners before the federal courts across the country. They misquote purposely,
[31:51] Speaker 2: they misquote the Supreme Court in this decision, and some
[31:56] Speaker 2: of the courts are actually letting them get away with it,
[31:58] Speaker 2: and they're supporting this not misinterpretation, because that would be
[32:02] Speaker 2: like saying, well, I don't quite understand they understand exactly.
[32:07] Speaker 2: They're lying about what the Supreme Court said. And some
[32:10] Speaker 2: of these judges in these district courts and even judges
[32:14] Speaker 2: sitting on federal appellate courts are buying into the hoax.
[32:21] Speaker 2: They're buying into the line saying, oh, yeah, you the
[32:25] Speaker 2: Supreme courts are the right of the Second Amendment only
[32:29] Speaker 2: says that you can't ban guns that are in common
[32:32] Speaker 2: use for self defense. Nope, nope, nope, nope, that's not
[32:34] Speaker 2: what Supreme Court said. So just you got to be
[32:37] Speaker 2: alert and awared about that kind of stuff. All right,
[32:42] Speaker 2: let's go, let's see. I think we've got time you.
[32:44] Speaker 2: Let's grab Dennis online one out of Arkansas. Hey Dennis,
[32:48] Speaker 2: you're on Gun Talk?
[32:50] Speaker 14: Hi, Tom, how are you doing.
[32:53] Speaker 2: I'm great?
[32:53] Speaker 14: What's that? Glad to get a chance to talk to
[32:56] Speaker 14: you about the gut twenty five. I own, okay, some
[33:03] Speaker 14: stup of a hand injury on my shooting hand. And
[33:07] Speaker 14: I've heard of one of the shows that you'd mentioned,
[33:10] Speaker 14: only uh we called uction device you would want to
[33:14] Speaker 14: put on that was I don't remember if you said
[33:18] Speaker 14: a muggle brake or a compensator, and you should please
[33:22] Speaker 14: do not put this on there, but instead use this.
[33:27] Speaker 2: I am not remembering that. I would definitely not put
[33:32] Speaker 2: any kind of compensator or recoid reducer on that g
[33:35] Speaker 2: T twenty five pistol. It's just not something I would do.
[33:41] Speaker 2: I would see how bad is the injury and what
[33:44] Speaker 2: do you what? Can you shoot.
[33:48] Speaker 4: My? Uh?
[33:50] Speaker 6: Eight?
[33:52] Speaker 14: Okay, too much shame.
[33:54] Speaker 2: But well that's interesting because I was going to say, well,
[33:57] Speaker 2: why don't we gear down to a three eighty and
[34:00] Speaker 2: have you shoot that? And look, not everybody can shoot
[34:03] Speaker 2: a ten And maybe is the injury gonna heal to
[34:06] Speaker 2: where you'll be able to get back and shooting at
[34:08] Speaker 2: ten at some point?
[34:09] Speaker 14: Do you think I'm working on that and going through
[34:13] Speaker 14: I can take some therasis for that. But this is
[34:15] Speaker 14: my gun. Sorry, when I go out.
[34:18] Speaker 2: Oh it's your bear gun?
[34:21] Speaker 14: Yeah? And there's more. Yeah?
[34:26] Speaker 2: Can I suggest have you tried shooting the GT twenty five,
[34:31] Speaker 2: the ten milimeter pistol with your hands?
[34:34] Speaker 14: Now?
[34:34] Speaker 2: Can you shoot it one time?
[34:38] Speaker 14: Yeah?
[34:40] Speaker 2: Okay, okay, if you can shoot it one time, you
[34:44] Speaker 2: can shoot it ten times, because trust me, when mister
[34:47] Speaker 2: bear wants to crawl all over you, you will shoot
[34:50] Speaker 2: it ten times and never worry about that it hurts
[34:53] Speaker 2: your hand. You won't even notice it.
[34:57] Speaker 14: Okay.
[35:00] Speaker 2: I wouldn't go out and practice with it, but you
[35:02] Speaker 2: already know how to shoot it. I would carry that. Now, yeah,
[35:05] Speaker 2: you can get some lighter loads, which will you know,
[35:08] Speaker 2: probably be just fine because you're looking at black bears there.
[35:11] Speaker 2: You don't have grizzlies, So I would probably be maybe
[35:15] Speaker 2: think about a little bit lighter load, but I would
[35:18] Speaker 2: carry that ten and just understand that you will be
[35:21] Speaker 2: fully adrenalized if you need to shoot a bear in
[35:25] Speaker 2: self defense, because he's going to be close and you're
[35:28] Speaker 2: going to be giving him everything you can. At the
[35:30] Speaker 2: end of it, you won't know how many rounds you shot,
[35:33] Speaker 2: and you won't even feel it in your hands. Maybe
[35:35] Speaker 2: the next day you will, but you'll be able to
[35:37] Speaker 2: do what you need to do. So I would practice
[35:40] Speaker 2: with the three eighty and carry the ten. We'll say,
[35:45] Speaker 2: all right, good deal. I think it's gonna work out fine.
[35:47] Speaker 2: It's funny. I appreciate the call. Funny you mentioned that
[35:50] Speaker 2: I've just for the last three days when I was
[35:52] Speaker 2: flying in the back country, I was carrying my GT.
[35:54] Speaker 2: Twenty five pistol. That's that special gun we had a
[35:57] Speaker 2: short run made of with Ruger out of the customs
[35:59] Speaker 2: show up. It's a commander sized nineteen eleven steel frame
[36:03] Speaker 2: shooting the ten milimeter auto cartridge, and I was carrying that,
[36:07] Speaker 2: and I'm outside the way, spent holster. Just wear to
[36:10] Speaker 2: vest for concealment, you know, Look, is the ten the
[36:15] Speaker 2: best thing for a bear? No, it's not. All handguns
[36:20] Speaker 2: are a compromise when it comes to bear protection. If
[36:22] Speaker 2: I really wanted to have a gun to protect myself
[36:25] Speaker 2: against bears, I'd carried a three seventy five EH and
[36:27] Speaker 2: H rifle, great big sucker, But that's cumbersome, and so
[36:33] Speaker 2: we got to find a compromise somewhere between that and
[36:35] Speaker 2: not carrying anything, and so the handgun works. A three
[36:38] Speaker 2: fifty seven I've carried those. I would carry a three
[36:42] Speaker 2: fifty seven, a ten, a forty one, or a forty
[36:44] Speaker 2: four magnum. That's kind of where I would be. Probably
[36:48] Speaker 2: not a four fifty four casole I have one, Probably not,
[36:54] Speaker 2: just because I don't think I can do follow up
[36:56] Speaker 2: shots very quickly with that. There's just too much recoil.
[37:00] Speaker 2: I would add in a forty five Colt with the
[37:03] Speaker 2: right loads. A good forty five colt with good hard
[37:06] Speaker 2: casts lead bullets, you get great penetration in a big,
[37:09] Speaker 2: old frontal area, there would work. I do have five
[37:15] Speaker 2: hundred Smith and Wesson revolver, too much recoil for follow
[37:23] Speaker 2: up shots, for quick follow up shots, and so again compromises. Look,
[37:28] Speaker 2: if you can shoot one of those and shoot it
[37:30] Speaker 2: fast and accurately and have to be accurate because you
[37:33] Speaker 2: can't miss fast enough to stop, charge more power to you.
[37:40] Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure I can't, and I shoot a lot.
[37:44] Speaker 2: I'm going to be shooting more. By the way. Oh
[37:47] Speaker 2: tip for you, if you are a watcher of YouTube
[37:50] Speaker 2: videos I'm shooting, be aware that some of these folks
[37:55] Speaker 2: are shooting at lightning speed. They're using a few tricks
[37:59] Speaker 2: that may not apply to you, so don't feel bad
[38:02] Speaker 2: about yourself. Tricks like I was watching and look, Max
[38:05] Speaker 2: Michelle is the real deal. He's a really good shooter.
[38:07] Speaker 2: But I was watching him do a string, shooting really fast,
[38:10] Speaker 2: and the empty brass is barely coming out of the gun.
[38:14] Speaker 2: I mean it's just barely clearing the ejection port. Now
[38:16] Speaker 2: I'm looking at it and thinking, man, that has some
[38:18] Speaker 2: light loads and there's almost no recoil. So he's shooting
[38:22] Speaker 2: really light loads, just enough power to make the gun function,
[38:27] Speaker 2: which is fine. Look, he's there to shoot fast and
[38:29] Speaker 2: hit targets. I get it. There's nothing wrong with that.
[38:31] Speaker 2: It's not cheating, it's just doing what you got to do.
[38:35] Speaker 2: All On the other hand, there are other people, and
[38:37] Speaker 2: Max is not one of these people, who will shoot
[38:40] Speaker 2: their fast draws and fast splits and everything else, and
[38:44] Speaker 2: you may not be aware unless you look at it carefully,
[38:48] Speaker 2: that they're speeding up the video. Yes, that is taking place.
[38:54] Speaker 2: So there are YouTube videos out there people with lightning
[38:56] Speaker 2: fast shooting and great splits and super times. If they're
[39:01] Speaker 2: not showing you the targets, and they're not showing you
[39:03] Speaker 2: where they placed in the match and who they beat
[39:06] Speaker 2: and how many people were competing, there's a possibility just
[39:11] Speaker 2: saying watch out for it. If you're watching videos, say,
[39:15] Speaker 2: were the targets falling faster than they should steal targets
[39:19] Speaker 2: or the brass cases flying faster than they shoot out
[39:22] Speaker 2: of the gun. Did they speed up the video a
[39:25] Speaker 2: little bit there just to make them look a little faster.
[39:29] Speaker 2: I'm sure that no one's ever done. Yeah, of course
[39:33] Speaker 2: they do. How Dom Grass, You'll be right back. Hey,
[39:46] Speaker 2: let's go straight to the phones. Tom's Dan Fargo, North Dakota. Tom,
[39:49] Speaker 2: Thanks for your patience. You have the floor, sir, Yes.
[39:53] Speaker 6: Sir, so talk about observing. I've talked to you before,
[39:56] Speaker 6: and I deliver stuff. And when I'm ever in a
[40:00] Speaker 6: parking lot, coming out of a store, sidewalk wherever I am,
[40:04] Speaker 6: I look and then it says, you know how it says,
[40:06] Speaker 6: And look at a stop sign twice, look again, because
[40:10] Speaker 6: then you then you'll get details. You scan over, look
[40:14] Speaker 6: again and look again. See what's hiding in the shadows,
[40:17] Speaker 6: See what's hiding behind whatever is going to pop out
[40:20] Speaker 6: between the cars. That kind of stuff.
[40:22] Speaker 2: There's a difference between looking and seeing, isn't there?
[40:26] Speaker 6: That's right? And it's just like in my car. The
[40:29] Speaker 6: rear rear view mirror on my windshield will often block
[40:34] Speaker 6: vehicles coming off exit ramps or entrance ramps rather entrance
[40:39] Speaker 6: wraps our vehicles. At stop signs, it will block it.
[40:43] Speaker 6: Look again, look around. It's the same thing. It doesn't
[40:46] Speaker 6: matter if you're in the woods, in the parking lot,
[40:48] Speaker 6: especially parking lots, parking garages, that kind of stuff. All that, yeah,
[40:54] Speaker 6: but always always I have to use I'm sorry I
[40:57] Speaker 6: have to use GPS. I don't like it, but I
[41:01] Speaker 6: don't have that thing. Talk to me versus looking at
[41:03] Speaker 6: my phone.
[41:04] Speaker 12: I'll let it.
[41:05] Speaker 6: Let it talk to me.
[41:06] Speaker 2: I really don't, right, So you can be looking at
[41:09] Speaker 2: the road and looking for obstructions and things going on
[41:13] Speaker 2: out there, and they can talk you.
[41:15] Speaker 6: Into the turns exactly, exactly brilliant.
[41:18] Speaker 2: I love it. Thank you, Tom, I appreciate that. Good stuff. Man.
[41:21] Speaker 2: Here's what I thought for you. Also when you're driving,
[41:26] Speaker 2: And I actually learned this from self defense guys who
[41:29] Speaker 2: really special forces kind of guys who do stuff. The
[41:33] Speaker 2: idea of there were two of them run the scenario,
[41:36] Speaker 2: and before they started, and the inside of a building,
[41:39] Speaker 2: one says, you look long, I'll look short. I thought,
[41:43] Speaker 2: what was that? What do you just say? Well, you
[41:45] Speaker 2: can't do both. You can't look all the way down
[41:49] Speaker 2: the end of the hallway and look short at what's
[41:51] Speaker 2: going on right around you. I thought, well, that's interesting,
[41:54] Speaker 2: So I started utilizing that. Try this just as an
[42:01] Speaker 2: when you're driving your car, think this, think look long,
[42:07] Speaker 2: look short, scan left, scan right, long, short, left right,
[42:13] Speaker 2: Drive your eyes way down the road, see what's going
[42:17] Speaker 2: on way down, and not just the car in front
[42:18] Speaker 2: of you, but a bunch of cars in front of you,
[42:22] Speaker 2: or if it's a big open stretch of road, what's
[42:24] Speaker 2: going on a half mile down the road. Is there
[42:27] Speaker 2: a critter? Is their truck? Is there something weird going on?
[42:29] Speaker 2: You see it ahead of time and then come back
[42:31] Speaker 2: and look short, see what's going on around you. But
[42:34] Speaker 2: it's a way of exercising your eyes so they don't
[42:38] Speaker 2: kind of just glaze over, get dull, looking at the
[42:40] Speaker 2: same place over and over again. You also a lot
[42:44] Speaker 2: of times see interesting things that way. But you just
[42:47] Speaker 2: as you're driving, think look long, look short, scan left
[42:50] Speaker 2: and right. Now when I say scan left and right,
[42:52] Speaker 2: I'm talking about looking to the left of the road
[42:55] Speaker 2: and to the right of the road. What's going on
[42:58] Speaker 2: over there? Is there a pedestrian, Is there a deer?
[43:01] Speaker 2: Is there a torontosaurus? Wrecks coming out? I don't know,
[43:05] Speaker 2: but you you want to be looking because if it
[43:07] Speaker 2: is a t rex, you want to be the first
[43:08] Speaker 2: one to see it. There you go. So just saying
[43:12] Speaker 2: it's a it's a way of living intentionally, of not
[43:20] Speaker 2: just going through the motions. And I will tell you
[43:25] Speaker 2: a lot of times I turn probably eighty or ninety
[43:28] Speaker 2: percent of the time when I'm driving, I don't have
[43:29] Speaker 2: a radio on because I don't I'm in no radio,
[43:33] Speaker 2: no news, no music, no nothing, because I don't want
[43:35] Speaker 2: the distraction. I want to be there, right where I am,
[43:38] Speaker 2: because I find that when I have that radio play,
[43:40] Speaker 2: I'm not really there and you'll drive for miles and
[43:43] Speaker 2: miles and miles and not even remember driving or where
[43:46] Speaker 2: you went or what you saw. I know you can
[43:49] Speaker 2: do it, we all have done it. But I'm just
[43:52] Speaker 2: throwing it out there. Maybe it's something that you want
[43:54] Speaker 2: to consider. There you go, all right. When we come back,
[43:58] Speaker 2: I want to talk about what's going on. We just
[44:00] Speaker 2: want an important second mimic case. We'll cover that and
[44:03] Speaker 2: we'll take your calls and comments here eight sixty six
[44:06] Speaker 2: talk guys. I'm Tom Gresham. Check us out over at
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