# DOJ Overturns Biden's Gun Rules; New ATF Director Cleans House; Pro Shooter Reveals Her Story

An episode of [Gun Talk](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/190516844), 3 May 2026, 44 min.

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-- The Department of Justice announces big changes in administrative rules which remove many restrictions on lawful gun ownership and purchasing. Acting Attorney General gives the details in a Washington, DC, press conference. -- The new ATF director, Rob Cekada, explains the most significant changes facing gun owners, gun stores, and manufacturers under the new and proposed rule changes. -- Professional shooter Jalise Williams continues to bring home trophies from around the world. She started shooting at age 4, and entered the competition world at 10. She's been winning almost from the beginning. Gun Talk 05.03.26 Hour 1 Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/gun-talk--6185159/support.

## Transcript

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[0:51] Speaker 4: The Second Amendment will never be treated as a second
[0:55] Speaker 4: class right in the Trump administration.
[0:58] Speaker 5: The Second Amendment is.
[0:59] Speaker 6: Not in a.
[1:01] Speaker 7: Wow wow wow. What a statement coming from the acting
[1:07] Speaker 7: Attorney General of the United States, that's the head of
[1:10] Speaker 7: the DOJ. Hey, I'm Tom greshaman this is gun talking.
[1:14] Speaker 7: If you want to be a part of it, give
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[1:26] Speaker 7: gun talking. Of course, you can always jump over to
[1:28] Speaker 7: gun talk dot com. This week, when he was announcing
[1:32] Speaker 7: that we have a new director of the ATF and
[1:36] Speaker 7: also a thirty four point plan of reforms for gun
[1:44] Speaker 7: control laws in the US, there was a lot going on,
[1:48] Speaker 7: and he basically spelled out who our new director was
[1:52] Speaker 7: of ATF and also what's going on. There's a lot
[1:55] Speaker 7: for us to cover. I want to make sure we
[1:57] Speaker 7: get this. But this is Todd Blant, the acting US
[2:02] Speaker 7: Attorney General. And then we'll have the new director of
[2:06] Speaker 7: the ATF speaking, and his name is Rob Zakata. All right,
[2:10] Speaker 7: here is Acting Attorneys General Todd Blench.
[2:15] Speaker 4: A little bit about Rob in case you don't know.
[2:19] Speaker 4: He began his law enforcement career with the New York
[2:21] Speaker 4: City Police Department in nineteen ninety two, starting in the
[2:25] Speaker 4: Housing Bureau in Harlem, he moved around. He was promoted
[2:30] Speaker 4: to detective and the Organized Crime Bureau's Gang Division. Later
[2:33] Speaker 4: continued his public service with the City of Plantation Police
[2:36] Speaker 4: Department in Broward County, Florida, serving in patrol operations on
[2:41] Speaker 4: the SWAT team, and then in two thousand and five,
[2:44] Speaker 4: so over twenty years ago, Rob joined ATF as a
[2:47] Speaker 4: special agent in the Baltimore Field Division, where he was
[2:50] Speaker 4: assigned to the Regional Area Gang Enforcement Task Force combating
[2:54] Speaker 4: transnational organized crime.
[2:57] Speaker 5: He later served as a.
[2:58] Speaker 4: Special agent in the Tampa Field Divis, investigating violent crimes
[3:02] Speaker 4: involving firearms and explosives, and continuing working his way up
[3:06] Speaker 4: through the ATF ranks over the two decades. Eventually he
[3:10] Speaker 4: was promoted to SES at ATF and he was a
[3:13] Speaker 4: special Asent in charge of the Baltimore Field Division, where
[3:17] Speaker 4: he oversaw operations across Maryland and Delaware. Subsequently, he was
[3:22] Speaker 4: a Specializing in Charge in Miami where he oversaw twenty
[3:25] Speaker 4: one offices throughout Southern Florida, Puerto Rico, and the US
[3:30] Speaker 4: Virgin Islands. After that, Rob returned to ATF headquarters as
[3:34] Speaker 4: a Deputy Assistant Director for Field Operations. He was then
[3:38] Speaker 4: promoted again to Executive Assistant Director of Operations and then
[3:43] Speaker 4: just over one year ago today, on April tenth, twenty
[3:46] Speaker 4: twenty five, Rob was named the Deputy Director of ATF,
[3:50] Speaker 4: a role that he has served in through today and
[3:53] Speaker 4: right now he's in that middle spot where he is
[3:56] Speaker 4: the confirmed director of ATF but commissioned signed, so I
[4:02] Speaker 4: think still technically deputy director, but we're fine. So look
[4:06] Speaker 4: so from patrol officer to federal agent to specializing in charge,
[4:11] Speaker 4: Rob has committed his entire life to serving the public
[4:15] Speaker 4: and protecting communities nationwide. It is fitting in my mind
[4:22] Speaker 4: that the first action Rob is going to take today
[4:26] Speaker 4: in his new role is to sign the most comprehensive
[4:30] Speaker 4: regulatory reform package in the history of ATF. I want
[4:35] Speaker 4: to thank President Donald Trump for putting us on this
[4:38] Speaker 4: path on January twentieth of last year. His leadership made
[4:42] Speaker 4: this moment possible. His executive order directing a full review
[4:47] Speaker 4: of ATF regulations set the tone clear, direct and focused
[4:53] Speaker 4: on the Constitution. And I want to thank him for
[4:55] Speaker 4: his leadership.
[4:57] Speaker 5: It's been over a year, but we're ready to get
[4:59] Speaker 5: a roll.
[5:01] Speaker 7: Todd Blanche then went on to explain the other part. Yes,
[5:05] Speaker 7: they were introducing the new head of the ATF, and
[5:08] Speaker 7: Blanche was certainly excited about that. But then he went
[5:11] Speaker 7: on to start to explain what is being done and
[5:15] Speaker 7: what they have been working on. And I know, look,
[5:17] Speaker 7: a lot of people have been saying, why haven't we
[5:19] Speaker 7: seen more improvement? Why haven't we seen this? Why hasn't
[5:22] Speaker 7: the Department Justice done that? It takes a while, and
[5:26] Speaker 7: there's a lot to be done. They got a thirty
[5:28] Speaker 7: four point plan. There's more to come, and he started
[5:31] Speaker 7: to spell out a little bit of it here.
[5:33] Speaker 4: We're repealing rules that went beyond what the law allows.
[5:37] Speaker 4: We are cutting unnecessary red tape, and we are replacing
[5:41] Speaker 4: confusion with clear, straightforward language, so that everyday Americans don't
[5:46] Speaker 4: need a law degree just to understand their rights.
[5:50] Speaker 5: And this did not happen in a vacuum.
[5:53] Speaker 4: We listened to industry leaders, many of whom are in
[5:56] Speaker 4: this room behind me, to legal experts, in most importantly,
[6:00] Speaker 4: to law abiding gun owners across this country, people who
[6:04] Speaker 4: follow the rules but have been forced to navigate a
[6:07] Speaker 4: system that often didn't make sense. The package that we're
[6:12] Speaker 4: putting forward today and over the coming days reflects all
[6:15] Speaker 4: of those voices. It includes thirty four proposed rules, more
[6:20] Speaker 4: than ATF has issued in the last fifteen years combined.
[6:25] Speaker 4: It reflects months of work since the beginning of this administration.
[6:29] Speaker 4: And I want to be candid right now about why
[6:31] Speaker 4: this is necessary. For too long, regulations were written without
[6:35] Speaker 4: any real understanding of how firearms businesses operate, how lawful
[6:39] Speaker 4: gun owners actually handle their firearms are what truly improves
[6:44] Speaker 4: public safety. Nothing we are doing today weekends law enforcement.
[6:50] Speaker 4: We are not taking tools away from the people, the
[6:54] Speaker 4: men and women.
[6:54] Speaker 5: Who go after violent criminals.
[6:56] Speaker 4: This administration, as it always has, remains fully committed to
[7:01] Speaker 4: targeting those who break the law, gang members, repeat offenders, traffickers,
[7:05] Speaker 4: and cartels. If anything, what we're doing today will actually
[7:10] Speaker 4: help law enforcement because clearer rules mean better compliance, and
[7:14] Speaker 4: better compliance means better enforcement. At the same time, it
[7:17] Speaker 4: means fewer traps for law abiding citizens who are just
[7:20] Speaker 4: trying to do.
[7:21] Speaker 5: The right thing.
[7:22] Speaker 7: And here's where he got into the meat of it
[7:25] Speaker 7: and some of the things that we're going to benefit from.
[7:29] Speaker 4: It reduces unnecessary burdens on lawful gun owners and licensed businesses.
[7:33] Speaker 4: It eliminates ambiguity, and it helps prevent the kind of
[7:36] Speaker 4: confusion that in the past and not that distant past,
[7:40] Speaker 4: led to inconsistent and sometimes unfair enforcement.
[7:44] Speaker 7: For me, at least, listening to this presentation, it became
[7:49] Speaker 7: very clear that the people working on this understood what
[7:52] Speaker 7: the Biden administration had done to us and had done
[7:56] Speaker 7: to the Second Amendment. And how they'd been trying to
[7:59] Speaker 7: gut it and now these folks are trying to claw
[8:02] Speaker 7: that back. They got a lot of things to do,
[8:04] Speaker 7: but I really liked the shopping list of things that
[8:07] Speaker 7: they're already working on.
[8:09] Speaker 5: I'm going to let.
[8:10] Speaker 4: Rob lay off the specifics of what we're doing in
[8:12] Speaker 4: a moment, but let me reiterate that the Second Amendment
[8:15] Speaker 4: will never be treated as a second class right in
[8:18] Speaker 4: the Trump administration. President Trump has been clear on this
[8:22] Speaker 4: from day one. The Second Amendment is not negotiable. It
[8:26] Speaker 4: is part of the foundation of this great country. I
[8:29] Speaker 4: want to make sure folks understand that the work that
[8:31] Speaker 4: we're talking about today is not finished today. We're continuing
[8:37] Speaker 4: to review every regulation, especially those from the previous administration,
[8:42] Speaker 4: and we'll keep putting forward additional proposals as that review continues.
[8:47] Speaker 4: For example, ATF is studying right now to determine which
[8:51] Speaker 4: rifles are generally recognized as particularly suitable for sporting purposes.
[8:56] Speaker 5: That's going to be an ongoing effort.
[8:58] Speaker 4: Over the next several months, and we're going to see
[9:01] Speaker 4: that through.
[9:02] Speaker 7: You can tell just how excited and proud the Acting
[9:06] Speaker 7: ag was when he was introducing the new head of
[9:09] Speaker 7: the ATF.
[9:11] Speaker 4: ROB is exactly the right person to lead ATF at
[9:15] Speaker 4: this moment.
[9:16] Speaker 5: First, he owns more guns.
[9:18] Speaker 4: Than I think pretty much anyone I know. He's one
[9:22] Speaker 4: heck of a shot. I've seen him at the range.
[9:25] Speaker 4: I've shot with him at the range. It's a lot
[9:27] Speaker 4: better than me. But more importantly, he understands this work
[9:32] Speaker 4: inside and out. He understands the mission, and he understands
[9:35] Speaker 4: the importance of getting it right.
[9:39] Speaker 5: So welcome please to the microphone.
[9:41] Speaker 4: The newly confirmed director of the ATF ROB sicatam.
[9:50] Speaker 7: All right. When we come back, we're going to have
[9:52] Speaker 7: some of the comments from the new head of the ATF.
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[12:42] Speaker 7: Talk gun. We'll get you in here. But last Wednesday,
[12:46] Speaker 7: we had a phenomenal news conference from the Department of
[12:51] Speaker 7: Justice where they announced the head of the ATF. The
[12:54] Speaker 7: new director was just confirmed by the Senate literally minutes
[12:57] Speaker 7: before this press conference, and this new director, Robskada, he spoke,
[13:03] Speaker 7: he is a gun owner. He is a second amendmic guy.
[13:06] Speaker 7: It sure looks like. And it became very clear, very
[13:09] Speaker 7: quickly that they had been working on a lot of things.
[13:12] Speaker 7: They had dug into what the Biden administration had done.
[13:15] Speaker 7: They had looked at a lot of the old regulations.
[13:17] Speaker 7: There were burdens not only on gun owners, but on
[13:20] Speaker 7: gun stores, gun dealers, and on manufacturers. He addresses a
[13:24] Speaker 7: lot of that. So we're going to jump right to it.
[13:27] Speaker 7: Here's the new director of the ATF.
[13:31] Speaker 13: Today's a great day for ATF DOJ and a great
[13:34] Speaker 13: day for lawful gun owners and federal firearms licensees, and
[13:37] Speaker 13: a great day for all of America. I've been with
[13:39] Speaker 13: ATF for over twenty years, have never seen a regulatory
[13:43] Speaker 13: package of this skill. In fact, we were going to
[13:46] Speaker 13: be signing just about as many rules as have been
[13:48] Speaker 13: proposed during my entire twenty years with this agency. It
[13:51] Speaker 13: was an immense amount of work, and I believe it's
[13:53] Speaker 13: moving the agency in the right direction.
[13:56] Speaker 5: How do we get here?
[13:57] Speaker 13: At the outset of this administration, we committed to a
[13:59] Speaker 13: new era of reform grounded in transparency, accountability, and partnership.
[14:05] Speaker 13: What you see today is that promise being kept. Over
[14:09] Speaker 13: the last year, we undertook a serious, sustained review looking
[14:13] Speaker 13: at court decisions, licensed feedback, statutory text. We reviewed our
[14:18] Speaker 13: forms and and our requirements. In my time with ATF,
[14:22] Speaker 13: I have seen how regulation creep can come in like
[14:25] Speaker 13: a fog, creating vague and shifting tests and subjective interpretations
[14:29] Speaker 13: that lead to inconsistent enforcement practices and ultimately in erosion
[14:34] Speaker 13: of public trust. Today we are clearing the fog, restoring clarity, consistency,
[14:39] Speaker 13: and predictability for all Americans.
[14:42] Speaker 7: Then he got to the heart of the matter, what
[14:45] Speaker 7: we're actually going to get out of this package.
[14:48] Speaker 13: In today's package, you will see thirty four clear common
[14:51] Speaker 13: sense regulations that rescind, modernize, or clarify language within the
[14:55] Speaker 13: National Firearms Act, the Gun Control Act, and more, proposing
[15:00] Speaker 13: to remove unnecessary hurdles that were standing in the way
[15:03] Speaker 13: of law abiding citizens and businesses. We are proposing to
[15:07] Speaker 13: restore clarity and predictability in our standards.
[15:11] Speaker 5: We are beginning the response.
[15:12] Speaker 13: We are beginning responsive to court orders that need that
[15:15] Speaker 13: our constituents needed for a clear, decisive instruction, so action
[15:20] Speaker 13: can be taken to rescind what didn't work. Here are
[15:23] Speaker 13: some key highlights the Stabilizing Brace rule, which came into
[15:26] Speaker 13: effect in twenty twenty three. That rule, formally we are
[15:30] Speaker 13: proposing to rescind. There are courts in multiple jurisdictions which
[15:35] Speaker 13: we found violated the APA. They were enjoined or vacated
[15:39] Speaker 13: across the country. We believe that the common sense approach
[15:42] Speaker 13: to align regulatory texts with those judicial determinations, rather than
[15:46] Speaker 13: keeping them on the books as regulations would have already
[15:50] Speaker 13: been thrown out.
[15:52] Speaker 5: Engage in the Business, which came.
[15:53] Speaker 13: Into effect in twenty twenty four, we are also formally
[15:56] Speaker 13: proposing to rescind the Engage in the Business rule. Believe
[16:00] Speaker 13: that the responsible regulatory governance requires adjusting the course when
[16:04] Speaker 13: evidence shows a rule has not worked as intended. The
[16:08] Speaker 13: ATF has found the changes to the definition of who
[16:12] Speaker 13: was engaged in business have not produced the outcomes needed
[16:15] Speaker 13: to justify keeping the rule. As you'll see, today's proposed
[16:19] Speaker 13: rule retains definition of the engage in the business as
[16:22] Speaker 13: specifically revised and codified by Congress.
[16:25] Speaker 5: No more, no less.
[16:27] Speaker 7: Hey what a concept. Just have the LASS say exactly
[16:30] Speaker 7: what Congress passed, not what somebody at ATF thinks they
[16:35] Speaker 7: should have passed.
[16:36] Speaker 13: We are also formally proposing modernizing our forms. One proposal
[16:41] Speaker 13: is to update the form forty four to seventy three
[16:43] Speaker 13: to ensure it keepspace with modern business practices like authorizing
[16:47] Speaker 13: the use of electronic forms, functions like auto population of fields,
[16:52] Speaker 13: and allowing people to attach digital files as attachments. We
[16:56] Speaker 13: also make minor technical revisions to shorten the form, thereby
[17:00] Speaker 13: reducing the administrative burden on both.
[17:01] Speaker 5: The FFLs and transferrees.
[17:04] Speaker 13: Another proposal related to the forms is to allow FFLs
[17:07] Speaker 13: to generate and store its records, including its A and
[17:11] Speaker 13: D books records, and all forty four seventy three is
[17:14] Speaker 13: using an electronic record keeping system. This codeifis a practice
[17:18] Speaker 13: that the industry has used through a variance for years
[17:22] Speaker 13: and has been demonstrated to work very well. We also
[17:26] Speaker 13: believe it supports law enforcement by allowing FFLs to more
[17:29] Speaker 13: easily respond to legitimate law enforcement trace.
[17:31] Speaker 5: Requests when asked.
[17:33] Speaker 13: In our next steps, there are many more proposals and
[17:36] Speaker 13: the package that will follow this rule package. Some of
[17:40] Speaker 13: them are simple anchorage clarifications, others are much more comprehensive. Finally,
[17:45] Speaker 13: as Acting Attorney General, Blant shared, our.
[17:47] Speaker 5: Work is not done.
[17:49] Speaker 13: While we are proud of our work that has been
[17:51] Speaker 13: done in getting us to this point, this isn't over.
[17:54] Speaker 13: The next step will be an open comment period where
[17:57] Speaker 13: we invite input on our proposed changes, our industry stakeholders,
[18:01] Speaker 13: law enforcement agencies, advocacy groups, and the general public. After
[18:06] Speaker 13: today's event, please visit our website atf dot gov to
[18:10] Speaker 13: find out more about the proposals we are signing and
[18:12] Speaker 13: sending over to the Federal Register to be published.
[18:15] Speaker 11: There, you will.
[18:16] Speaker 13: Find information on how to submit comments via Regulations dot
[18:19] Speaker 13: gov and this Acting Attorney General Blanch share. Today is
[18:23] Speaker 13: just the first package of proposals to be released. We
[18:25] Speaker 13: will work closely with the Department of Justice to continue
[18:28] Speaker 13: to review our rules and ensure they are modernized, to
[18:31] Speaker 13: reflect the current practices, to adhere to court rulings, and
[18:34] Speaker 13: ultimately to reduce unnecessary burdens and lawmighting. I'm sorry, law
[18:38] Speaker 13: abiding citizens and businesses.
[18:41] Speaker 7: Hoy coal Man, that was impressive. That was the new
[18:46] Speaker 7: head of ath AT. The new Director of ath I
[18:48] Speaker 7: just confirmed by the Senate just minutes before the press
[18:51] Speaker 7: conference last Wednesday, they were announcing a thirty four point
[18:57] Speaker 7: plan or package of rules that they were changing, rules
[19:03] Speaker 7: being the same as laws. And that's one of the
[19:05] Speaker 7: things that happens over at ATF. They issue a rule
[19:07] Speaker 7: that becomes law. You can be sent to prison for
[19:09] Speaker 7: violating a rule that Congress never passed. And they're looking
[19:12] Speaker 7: at and say, well, you know, Congress never actually said
[19:14] Speaker 7: that we need to get rid of that. Let's just
[19:16] Speaker 7: go back to what Congress passed instead of what some
[19:19] Speaker 7: of the people at ATF have decided. They should have said. Well,
[19:22] Speaker 7: they should have said this about bump stocks, they should
[19:26] Speaker 7: have said this about braces, but they never did. So
[19:29] Speaker 7: you don't get to make the laws. And one of
[19:32] Speaker 7: the things you can't see with the audio, obviously is
[19:37] Speaker 7: during this price conference, unlike when Biden would do something
[19:41] Speaker 7: like this and had all of the members of the
[19:45] Speaker 7: gun band lobby back there, every town Mothers again, so
[19:48] Speaker 7: on and on and on. This time they had representatives
[19:54] Speaker 7: from the major gun rights organizations, the NRA, ns SF,
[20:00] Speaker 7: Second Amendment Foundation, Gun Rights Policy Conference, on a GOA.
[20:07] Speaker 7: They were all there standing behind the Acting Attorney General
[20:13] Speaker 7: and the new director of the ATF. IS they announced
[20:16] Speaker 7: these rule changes. So where do we go from here. Well,
[20:20] Speaker 7: they're going to propose these, they're going to get them finalized,
[20:24] Speaker 7: and then they published them in the Federal Register and
[20:27] Speaker 7: then there's a comment period, but these do not get
[20:30] Speaker 7: voted on by Congress. After the comment period, then ATF
[20:34] Speaker 7: just says, Okay, we are now enacting the rule, and
[20:38] Speaker 7: I suspect that what will happen is the rules will
[20:41] Speaker 7: go into effect. And they really made the point over
[20:44] Speaker 7: and over again that look, this is just the start.
[20:47] Speaker 7: We're just getting started on undoing what Biden and Obama
[20:52] Speaker 7: and Bush and others did to gun owners and gun
[20:55] Speaker 7: makers and gun sellers and to the Second Amendment itself.
[21:00] Speaker 7: And we're serious about this. I know, I know people
[21:02] Speaker 7: have kept saying, well, why haven't they done this? Why
[21:05] Speaker 7: you know BONDI this BONDI that. Well, body's gone. Okay,
[21:09] Speaker 7: whether she was the problem or not, I don't know,
[21:11] Speaker 7: don't care. She's gone. Oh ancient history, don't worry about it.
[21:16] Speaker 7: We got new people in. We got a new ATF
[21:18] Speaker 7: head in. I don't know him, but the people who
[21:23] Speaker 7: do and who have been working with them for the
[21:26] Speaker 7: past more than a year now say this is a
[21:30] Speaker 7: completely different group, and they are saying good things about this.
[21:35] Speaker 7: So I have my fingers crossed. What's that phrase, cautiously optimistic,
[21:41] Speaker 7: and I am exactly that. I think we're going to
[21:43] Speaker 7: see a lot more things happening changes in the forty
[21:47] Speaker 7: four to seventy three, probably being able to buy a
[21:51] Speaker 7: gun online using an electronic forty four to seventy three.
[21:56] Speaker 7: I mean, you can file your taxes electronically. Why couldn't
[21:59] Speaker 7: you do that? That would be a huge change. Maybe
[22:02] Speaker 7: we can get rid of the whole idea that you
[22:04] Speaker 7: can't buy a handgun in another state. That comes from
[22:07] Speaker 7: a time when we didn't have electronic records to check.
[22:09] Speaker 7: There's no reason to have that restriction. Now there's a
[22:12] Speaker 7: whole lot more coming. We'll talk about that as we
[22:14] Speaker 7: go along. You're welcome to weigh in on this one.
[22:17] Speaker 7: My number here is eight sixty six Talk Gun or Tom,
[22:20] Speaker 7: Talk Guy Paulso we're going to be talking to one
[22:23] Speaker 7: of the top female competitive shooters in the world. Fascinating
[22:27] Speaker 7: young lady. We'll have that coming up, and of course
[22:30] Speaker 7: you're arranging for us. Don't hesitate, give me a call.
[22:39] Speaker 7: It's always fun to talk with some of our friends
[22:41] Speaker 7: in the shooting world, and it is an interesting place.
[22:43] Speaker 7: It's a small community and you're run in the same
[22:46] Speaker 7: people over and over. And one of the professional shooters
[22:49] Speaker 7: we have been able to do some things with over
[22:50] Speaker 7: the years. Early on we were doing video with her
[22:53] Speaker 7: is Jayle's Williams, and she joined us. Right now. I
[22:56] Speaker 7: saw you at the NRA show. We didn't get a
[22:58] Speaker 7: chance to talk, but we said, hey, we got to
[23:00] Speaker 7: get together and do something because you well, first of all,
[23:02] Speaker 7: let's back up. You are a professional shooter. Let's just
[23:05] Speaker 7: get that out of the way. And there are very
[23:07] Speaker 7: few people who are really full time professional shooters.
[23:10] Speaker 14: Yes, sir, that is that's very true.
[23:12] Speaker 15: I am very blessed to had to have had the
[23:16] Speaker 15: opportunity when I was so young to get into it
[23:19] Speaker 15: and really develop and create such an amazing career out
[23:24] Speaker 15: of it.
[23:25] Speaker 7: How old were you when you started shooting?
[23:28] Speaker 14: I was ten.
[23:30] Speaker 7: Now are you talk about shooting competitively or were you
[23:32] Speaker 7: shooting before that just for fun or with the family.
[23:35] Speaker 6: Oh, yes, I grew up.
[23:37] Speaker 14: I mean I was four years old when I shot
[23:39] Speaker 14: my first gun.
[23:40] Speaker 6: Yeah, it was fifty seven Marlon myself.
[23:43] Speaker 14: That does stop.
[23:44] Speaker 15: You chopped the buttstock off of it in order to
[23:47] Speaker 15: that fit us. But yeah, we we shot rifles and
[23:53] Speaker 15: shotguns for hunting.
[23:55] Speaker 14: That is, that is what.
[23:56] Speaker 15: We did growing up as a family is we hunted,
[24:00] Speaker 15: So that's what guns were for My parents. They didn't
[24:03] Speaker 15: even own handguns until we discovered the shooting sports and
[24:07] Speaker 15: we're like, yo, this sounds amazing, and that's when we
[24:09] Speaker 15: dove head on into handgun competitive shooting.
[24:13] Speaker 7: Well, of course, a lot of people know you as
[24:15] Speaker 7: you know, the sisters, the Williams sisters, not the tennis
[24:18] Speaker 7: you know, Jay Lees and Justin. Of course, you guys
[24:20] Speaker 7: have been cheating competitively, as you say, since you were
[24:22] Speaker 7: ten or eleven and winning very soon after that. You
[24:26] Speaker 7: had an amazing coach and a great support staff in
[24:30] Speaker 7: the form of your family who takes care of everything
[24:32] Speaker 7: for you and still does.
[24:34] Speaker 15: Yes, yes, I mean my parents and just us as
[24:39] Speaker 15: a family unit growing up and doing this career together.
[24:43] Speaker 15: We got to travel the country which we never would
[24:45] Speaker 15: have done without shooting. And we get to go I
[24:48] Speaker 15: mean even now internationally when I go to major matches
[24:52] Speaker 15: internationally and world shoots to these you know, really cool,
[24:56] Speaker 15: amazing countries, I bring my parents. It's with me because
[25:01] Speaker 15: they were with me from the very start and they've
[25:03] Speaker 15: supported me the whole time. I love taking them with
[25:08] Speaker 15: me to these great triumphs.
[25:10] Speaker 7: I mean, you're winning gold medals all over the world.
[25:13] Speaker 7: Just give folks an idea over the last couple of years,
[25:17] Speaker 7: not just in the US, but where you have been
[25:19] Speaker 7: out of the country shooting.
[25:21] Speaker 15: Oh goodness, See there's Jamaica, Chersaw, Thailand, Czech Republic, Finland.
[25:31] Speaker 14: Oh, I'm missing one.
[25:32] Speaker 6: No, I'm missing one of South Africa.
[25:35] Speaker 15: And this year I'm going to Greece twice and Sweden.
[25:40] Speaker 7: So what are you doing in Greece and Sweden?
[25:43] Speaker 6: So in Sweden, Sweden's really cool.
[25:46] Speaker 15: I got an invitation to the Bretta Cup five hundred.
[25:51] Speaker 6: It's really cool. I'm so excited.
[25:53] Speaker 15: It's a pistol It's an international pistol match.
[25:56] Speaker 6: So I'm going to be shooting that this summer. So
[25:58] Speaker 6: excited for that.
[25:59] Speaker 15: And I'm going to Greece twice because I'm currently training
[26:03] Speaker 15: for the Shotgun World shoot in Greece in September, so
[26:07] Speaker 15: I'll be in Greece for that, but prior to September.
[26:10] Speaker 6: In oh I'm looking at my calendar.
[26:13] Speaker 14: Right now at the end of June, they're.
[26:15] Speaker 15: Having a test match at the range that is hosting
[26:19] Speaker 15: World Shoot in Greece, and it's a shotgun match. So
[26:23] Speaker 15: me and a couple of friends are, you know, going
[26:26] Speaker 15: to fly out there get kind of like the lay
[26:28] Speaker 15: of the land of what we're kind of going to
[26:31] Speaker 15: be expecting from Shotgun World Shoot to be.
[26:34] Speaker 6: Better prepared and more trained up for it.
[26:37] Speaker 15: So we are so excited to be doing that, and
[26:40] Speaker 15: I'm covering.
[26:41] Speaker 6: It all with video and everything we can watch it.
[26:44] Speaker 7: I want to talk about your video just a second,
[26:46] Speaker 7: but I gather just as we're talking right now, you're
[26:48] Speaker 7: leaving in a day or two for a rifle shoot somewhere.
[26:52] Speaker 15: Yes, I'm one of the few people that kind of
[26:55] Speaker 15: does it all. A handgun, rifle, PCC, shotgun.
[27:00] Speaker 6: I have my hands in all of them.
[27:02] Speaker 15: But yes, I'm tomorrow I leave for a Rifle World
[27:07] Speaker 15: Shoot qualifier for rifle of course. So this is really
[27:12] Speaker 15: cool because it's an ar you know, fifteen platform and everything.
[27:16] Speaker 15: I will be shooting my cold It is just I
[27:19] Speaker 15: did some adjustments over the past few days and it
[27:21] Speaker 15: is shooting absolutely beautifully, and I'm really trying to qualify
[27:28] Speaker 15: high enough to be on.
[27:30] Speaker 6: The Ladies Open team.
[27:31] Speaker 14: So it's like the most competitive division and rifle.
[27:35] Speaker 15: So I'm very excited to get my first qualifier under
[27:38] Speaker 15: my belt, get those scores in and make that team.
[27:42] Speaker 7: Okay, let's switch to pistols for a second, because I
[27:45] Speaker 7: know that you shoot cold pistols, and you know, I've
[27:48] Speaker 7: seen you rock nineteen elevens a lot, and there are
[27:50] Speaker 7: people who will say, you know what, oh, yes, nineteen elevens.
[27:52] Speaker 7: You know those are old fashioned? Why wouldnybody want that?
[27:55] Speaker 7: And I'm thinking, yeah, this is a young lady. You
[27:56] Speaker 7: ought to see her shoot at nineteen eleven. But you
[27:58] Speaker 7: shoot all the pistols I do.
[28:01] Speaker 15: I shoot a bunch of different pistols, but the nineteen
[28:03] Speaker 15: eleven is definitely.
[28:06] Speaker 6: It's definitely my favorite.
[28:07] Speaker 14: It just feels like home to me.
[28:09] Speaker 15: You know, It's what I grew up shooting, and it's
[28:12] Speaker 15: what I absolutely love. Because what people don't understand in
[28:15] Speaker 15: the competitive shooting world is with all these high cap
[28:18] Speaker 15: magazines and stuff, everybody when they enter a stage is
[28:22] Speaker 15: basically having and shooting the same stage plan, so they're
[28:26] Speaker 15: not using a lot of strategy, whereas in single stack
[28:30] Speaker 15: there is so much strategy that goes into it. It
[28:34] Speaker 15: is more than just raw shooting. And I love that
[28:37] Speaker 15: aspect of single stack.
[28:39] Speaker 7: So what's the strategy you've figured out? Where are you're
[28:41] Speaker 7: going to do your reload?
[28:43] Speaker 6: Yes, where you're going to do your reloads? If you're
[28:45] Speaker 6: going to shoot.
[28:46] Speaker 15: Major power Factor or Minor power Factor because Minor power
[28:50] Speaker 15: Factor you can have ten rounds in your magazine, whereas
[28:53] Speaker 15: in Major Power Factor you can only have eight. So
[28:56] Speaker 15: with Major minor power Factor, are you going to sacrifice
[28:59] Speaker 15: points with minor? Or are you going to sacrifice time
[29:03] Speaker 15: with major because you're going to have to do more reloads?
[29:06] Speaker 15: Like that aspect is incredible to me to try and
[29:10] Speaker 15: figure out, like because each match is its own match,
[29:12] Speaker 15: it's completely different. So you can show up with a
[29:15] Speaker 15: major gun and a minor gun, walk the stages.
[29:18] Speaker 14: And decide day of this is what is best for
[29:21] Speaker 14: this match.
[29:22] Speaker 7: Okay, you know I'm laughing here because you are so young,
[29:26] Speaker 7: and what you've just described is what we have been
[29:28] Speaker 7: talking about for the last eighty years, which is nine
[29:30] Speaker 7: millimeters versus forty five, Same old, same old. All right,
[29:36] Speaker 7: So you're doing all the shooting and your professor's shooter.
[29:38] Speaker 7: You're sponsored and now you have this video outlet where
[29:43] Speaker 7: you're doing training for people talk about that.
[29:45] Speaker 14: Yes, So I own my own training company and I can't.
[29:49] Speaker 15: I realized, like I get all these requests to go
[29:52] Speaker 15: to different parts of the country to teach classes, and
[29:55] Speaker 15: I realized, I can't get to.
[29:56] Speaker 6: Everybody out there.
[29:58] Speaker 14: It is impossible to to teach everybody.
[30:01] Speaker 15: But what I can do is have an a media
[30:05] Speaker 15: outlet to show people exactly what I teach in my
[30:09] Speaker 15: classes so that they can help teach themselves. So I
[30:14] Speaker 15: have my own YouTube. It's Jaylee's William Shooting and right
[30:17] Speaker 15: now we are going over handgun. So we went through
[30:21] Speaker 15: the fundamentals dry fire at home, and now we're taking
[30:25] Speaker 15: it out to the range. And now we're even going
[30:27] Speaker 15: further into handgun shooting, specifically the movement and the reloads
[30:34] Speaker 15: and all.
[30:35] Speaker 6: Those different aspects.
[30:36] Speaker 15: So it's not just for competitive shooters because there's so
[30:39] Speaker 15: much fundamentals that go into it.
[30:42] Speaker 14: It's great for every day you can still carry, it's.
[30:45] Speaker 15: Great for planking, it's great for competitive shooting, it's great
[30:49] Speaker 15: for everything because we're going through its step by step
[30:54] Speaker 15: and I'm very proud of it.
[30:56] Speaker 7: One of the things that I get frustrated with that's
[30:58] Speaker 7: gonna bounce it off of you. Is when I'm talking
[31:00] Speaker 7: to people, I say, you know, you really need to
[31:02] Speaker 7: get training. They say, yeah, look we go out, we train,
[31:04] Speaker 7: we shoot at the range all the time. And I said, no, no, no,
[31:07] Speaker 7: if there's no instructor present, it's not training. That's practice right.
[31:11] Speaker 6: Right, right right? No, I completely agree, and.
[31:15] Speaker 7: You practice the things you learn under training. But if
[31:18] Speaker 7: you haven't any training, and I'm sure you see this
[31:21] Speaker 7: with students, they're just sitting there grooving bad habits right.
[31:25] Speaker 15: Right, Which is why I thought about, you know, doing
[31:29] Speaker 15: this video platform. That way they can watch the video
[31:33] Speaker 15: while they're at the range and try and recreate what
[31:36] Speaker 15: we're what I'm teaching on the videos and apply it
[31:39] Speaker 15: to themselves and learn how to self diagnose themselves and
[31:43] Speaker 15: fix the issues that they're having.
[31:45] Speaker 14: Or just be a better shooter in general.
[31:48] Speaker 7: All right. I know it's hard to do this like
[31:50] Speaker 7: over the radio. It's like trying to coach somebody over
[31:53] Speaker 7: the phone. But if you say, okay, I need to
[31:55] Speaker 7: tell you two things that will help your shooting, what
[31:57] Speaker 7: would they be?
[31:59] Speaker 6: I would say?
[32:00] Speaker 15: So for me, this is something I learned a couple
[32:02] Speaker 15: of years ago. That absolutely changed my shooting for me.
[32:05] Speaker 15: I have very small hands, and so it's hard to
[32:08] Speaker 15: reach triggers on guns because I my hands haven't grown
[32:13] Speaker 15: in ten years. So what I figured out is if
[32:16] Speaker 15: I got a very short trigger in my gun and
[32:19] Speaker 15: I can pull my finger away from the gun and
[32:23] Speaker 15: not have it flat against the gun, my groups all
[32:27] Speaker 15: of a sudden tightened up.
[32:28] Speaker 14: I stopped shooting left because I'm right handed.
[32:32] Speaker 15: I stopped pushing my finger against the gun while I
[32:35] Speaker 15: was pulling the trigger. So getting that short trigger and
[32:38] Speaker 15: then creating almost like a ninety degree angle in my
[32:41] Speaker 15: finger to pull the trigger straight back, I mean it
[32:45] Speaker 15: tightened up my shooting like crazy.
[32:48] Speaker 7: Otherwise, if you're having to reach for the trigger when
[32:52] Speaker 7: you press the trigger, your acts your fingers actually moving
[32:55] Speaker 7: to the left while it's coming back right.
[32:58] Speaker 15: Yeah, and your fingers against the gun, and so it's
[33:00] Speaker 15: it's actively pushing.
[33:02] Speaker 14: The gun as you're pulling the trigger. Sure, which just
[33:05] Speaker 14: creates so many issues.
[33:06] Speaker 7: With nineteen eleven. You can get different Lenk triggers.
[33:10] Speaker 15: Yes, that's a great thing about like nineteen elevens and
[33:13] Speaker 15: ars and everything is that they've been.
[33:15] Speaker 14: Around for so long.
[33:16] Speaker 15: There's an insurmountable amount of aftermarket parts that you can
[33:21] Speaker 15: create the gun that is meant and best for you.
[33:26] Speaker 7: Okay, all right, so you got your video thing going,
[33:28] Speaker 7: you got your traveling the world shooting with Petiley. What
[33:31] Speaker 7: else are you doing these days?
[33:33] Speaker 6: I'm not doing much anything else.
[33:34] Speaker 14: I mean, I'm I'm a.
[33:36] Speaker 15: Little old lady in my heart at night to kind
[33:39] Speaker 15: of like calm down from the.
[33:41] Speaker 6: Crazy days I have.
[33:43] Speaker 14: I've picked up needle points.
[33:45] Speaker 7: It's very wait wait wait wait, you're barely past twenty
[33:49] Speaker 7: years old.
[33:50] Speaker 15: I know, I know, but no, needle point is so
[33:54] Speaker 15: much fun and you get to be so precise with it,
[33:57] Speaker 15: which you know me, of course, I like being precise
[34:01] Speaker 15: and clean and everything. So you know, that's me and
[34:04] Speaker 15: my shooting life. That's just me in my regular life.
[34:07] Speaker 15: So this is a really great outlet to do it.
[34:10] Speaker 7: Yeah, you never seeks to amaze me. Jay Lys is amazing.
[34:14] Speaker 7: For your training. Where do we go for my training?
[34:17] Speaker 5: It's on YouTube?
[34:18] Speaker 14: So it's Jamie's william shooting on YouTube.
[34:20] Speaker 7: Okay, James Williams shooting on YouTube? Got it?
[34:23] Speaker 6: Yes?
[34:24] Speaker 15: Yes, And there I have my training stuff on there
[34:27] Speaker 15: for people to see and learn. But I also cover
[34:30] Speaker 15: a bunch of matches I shoot and international matches, so
[34:33] Speaker 15: they get to, you know, see what a world shoot
[34:36] Speaker 15: actually looks like and feels like and everything that goes
[34:39] Speaker 15: into that as well well.
[34:41] Speaker 7: And I will just add that they also get to
[34:43] Speaker 7: know you. A delightful young lady with a wonderful family.
[34:46] Speaker 7: We've known your family and you and your sister for
[34:48] Speaker 7: a long time and it's a real pleasure to be
[34:51] Speaker 7: able to catch up with you and find out what's
[34:53] Speaker 7: going on.
[34:54] Speaker 15: Yes, sir, thank you so much for having me on.
[34:56] Speaker 15: I always enjoy hearing from you and seeing from you.
[34:58] Speaker 15: I wish I would have had more time to see
[35:01] Speaker 15: you at NRA.
[35:02] Speaker 7: I know we'll catch up somewhere along. Well, it'll have
[35:05] Speaker 7: to probably be shot show because between now and then,
[35:07] Speaker 7: all you're going to be doing is going all around
[35:09] Speaker 7: the world. And she does That's what she does. She
[35:13] Speaker 7: goes all over the world. Jay Lee's Williams just a delight,
[35:16] Speaker 7: a real pleasure. Like I said, we started shooting video
[35:19] Speaker 7: with them, the Williams sisters, she had the shooting ones.
[35:23] Speaker 7: They were probably twelve, twelve and thirteen when we started
[35:26] Speaker 7: shooting video with them. So yeah, we've known them a
[35:28] Speaker 7: long time, really good shooters. Okay, I do want to
[35:31] Speaker 7: get this out right now while I can, because you's
[35:34] Speaker 7: it's highly unlikely you would be able to do this. Okay,
[35:38] Speaker 7: but just in case, a bucket list item just opened up.
[35:45] Speaker 7: I'm sitting here looking across the studio and I've got
[35:47] Speaker 7: big piles of stuff going to Gunsight. I'll be taking
[35:51] Speaker 7: a class there a week from tomorrow. We start. That
[35:54] Speaker 7: would be Monday the eleventh, and this is the Jeff
[36:00] Speaker 7: Cooper Anniversary nineteen eleven, two fifty class. It's on the
[36:05] Speaker 7: anniversary of the of Jeff Cooper's birthday. He was the founder,
[36:09] Speaker 7: of course, of Gunsight, actually the founder of the modern
[36:11] Speaker 7: technique of the pistol what we consider to be modern
[36:15] Speaker 7: pistol shooting and gun fighting using two hands. He's the
[36:18] Speaker 7: guy that got all that started. So they're having this
[36:21] Speaker 7: class and it's I say, it's kind of like our
[36:26] Speaker 7: classic car rally because we're using nineteen elevens iron sights
[36:29] Speaker 7: and leather holsters. Well, here's the deal. We had a
[36:32] Speaker 7: group going, six of us. The two had to pull
[36:35] Speaker 7: out for various reasons, so we've got two openings. Look,
[36:38] Speaker 7: I'm not connected to this in any form of fashion.
[36:40] Speaker 7: I don't have any financial connection to it at all.
[36:42] Speaker 7: I'm just going and taking the class, taking some friends.
[36:45] Speaker 7: But there are two openings. They may have more than that,
[36:47] Speaker 7: I don't know, but there are at least two openings
[36:49] Speaker 7: for this and it is a week from tomorrow. And yeah,
[36:52] Speaker 7: I get it. It's it's in Arizona and maybole to
[36:54] Speaker 7: require upsetting your schedule and everything else, But it is
[36:58] Speaker 7: in fact buck get less item. If anybody's been there
[37:02] Speaker 7: can tell you about that. If by any chance you
[37:05] Speaker 7: had an idea that you would want to go, I
[37:07] Speaker 7: would suggest going to the gun Side website g U
[37:10] Speaker 7: n si te dot com or maybe even smarter give
[37:14] Speaker 7: them a call at nine too eight six three six
[37:18] Speaker 7: forty five sixty five nine to eight six three six
[37:21] Speaker 7: four or five sixty five. Also next week, a week
[37:24] Speaker 7: from today, I'll be doing a live show from Gunsite
[37:27] Speaker 7: on in fact, Jeff Cooper's birthday, So we're gonna have
[37:30] Speaker 7: to people from Gunsite, some of the gun related companies
[37:33] Speaker 7: from around that area. And it's kind of a miniature
[37:36] Speaker 7: gun Valley, if you will. The original Gun Valley was
[37:39] Speaker 7: up in New England area where a lot of the
[37:42] Speaker 7: gun makers started one hundred and fifty years ago, almost
[37:45] Speaker 7: two hundred years ago, primarily because that's where there was
[37:49] Speaker 7: water available to power plants. Kind of interesting way that
[37:53] Speaker 7: all developed. And now you've got these miniature areas that
[37:57] Speaker 7: gun makers pop up in, and that Prescott, Arizona area
[38:01] Speaker 7: is certainly one. Bruger's got a major factory there. Actually,
[38:05] Speaker 7: weirdly enough, Boise the Idaho is starting to become that
[38:08] Speaker 7: in North Idaho up around Cordeline starting to do that
[38:11] Speaker 7: as well. Number of smaller companies whether they're holster makers
[38:14] Speaker 7: or makers or barrels or whatever. You just never know.
[38:18] Speaker 7: There are a lot of people getting into making guns
[38:21] Speaker 7: and accessories. So there you go. So if you had
[38:24] Speaker 7: any interest in going to Gunsight and doing this crazy
[38:28] Speaker 7: nineteen eleven class, by all means take a look at that.
[38:31] Speaker 7: We will have more reports on that as to go along,
[38:33] Speaker 7: but it's going to be a lot of fun. I'm
[38:34] Speaker 7: really looking forward to that. I have two pistols ready
[38:37] Speaker 7: to go, the primary in the backup, and then you know,
[38:41] Speaker 7: I got two pistols from the guns like gunsmith, and
[38:45] Speaker 7: one of them is just having post operation difficulties. So
[38:50] Speaker 7: we're gonna take it back and say all right, it
[38:52] Speaker 7: needs a little bit more work. And that's one of
[38:53] Speaker 7: the nice things about working with quality people. They'll go, yeah, okay,
[38:56] Speaker 7: we'll take care of it, and it'll get picked and
[38:58] Speaker 7: it's just fine. I have two really good functioning nineteen
[39:02] Speaker 7: elevens in forty five. Yeah, I'm going to shoot the old,
[39:04] Speaker 7: big fat slow forty five. So there you go. No
[39:07] Speaker 7: comments about me being big fat and slow. We don't
[39:09] Speaker 7: allow that. Well sometimes anyway, if you want to be
[39:12] Speaker 7: a part of this, give me a call eight sixty
[39:14] Speaker 7: six Talk Gun looking for your range reports. I'm Tom Gresham.
[39:18] Speaker 7: Gun Talk will be right back. All right, that went
[39:28] Speaker 7: in here, Tom Gresham, it's a gun Talk. Give me
[39:30] Speaker 7: called eight six six Talk Gun or Tom Talk Gun.
[39:33] Speaker 7: As I said, I'll get ready to head down to
[39:35] Speaker 7: Arizona and do some training there. I figured out some
[39:40] Speaker 7: years ago, I really like training, I like learning. I
[39:43] Speaker 7: like going to gun schools. I started making a list.
[39:47] Speaker 7: It was kind of crazy. SEG Academy, Smith and West Academy,
[39:50] Speaker 7: Shoot Right Academy, Tack Pro in Texas. Obviously our range
[39:55] Speaker 7: Ready studios which we have down Louisiana currently operating Fire's
[39:59] Speaker 7: Acade MEF Seattle Thunder Ranch, a few others along the way,
[40:04] Speaker 7: and then shot with a number of the top shooters
[40:07] Speaker 7: and just getting lessons here and there. I just enjoy it.
[40:09] Speaker 7: I'm I am not competition level shooter, never claim to be.
[40:15] Speaker 7: I don't shoot in competitions. And people say, well, you know,
[40:17] Speaker 7: what are your splits? I don't know. I don't do that.
[40:20] Speaker 7: I'm just trying to get better. From a defensive standpoint,
[40:22] Speaker 7: Can I draw and shoot? Move? Can I draw, shoot,
[40:25] Speaker 7: move and communicate? Do I tune that up? And by practice?
[40:31] Speaker 7: Will it be enough if I need it for a
[40:33] Speaker 7: self defense situation? There is no way to know. But
[40:38] Speaker 7: being better it's got to be an improvement over being worse.
[40:42] Speaker 7: I mean basically, it's for the definition of the work better.
[40:47] Speaker 7: So I try to be better. I try to work
[40:48] Speaker 7: on it. Besides that, and you know, we could try
[40:52] Speaker 7: to justify to any way we want to. But this
[40:55] Speaker 7: stuff is fun. Going to take it a class like this,
[40:58] Speaker 7: It's just fun around a bunch of people who, for
[41:02] Speaker 7: the most part think the way you do, for the
[41:05] Speaker 7: most part, have similar values. We're all handling guns safely.
[41:10] Speaker 7: At guns like, for instance, it's a hot range it's
[41:14] Speaker 7: not a case of unloads your gun. When you're done
[41:16] Speaker 7: with the stage, you simply put the gun back in
[41:18] Speaker 7: your holester and don't touch it. It's loaded. Everybody else
[41:20] Speaker 7: is wearing a loaded gun. When you go to lunch,
[41:22] Speaker 7: everybody's wearing a loaded gun. When you go an administration building,
[41:27] Speaker 7: the administration people are all wearing loaded guns. It's just
[41:31] Speaker 7: what it is, and we're all smart enough to not
[41:34] Speaker 7: pull them out and do something stupid with them. Okay,
[41:37] Speaker 7: we have really good instruction there. It'll be fun. So
[41:39] Speaker 7: I mean again, if you get a chance, if you
[41:41] Speaker 7: last minute, totally last minute, if you decide I wanted
[41:44] Speaker 7: to go in a week from tomorrow, starting on May eleven,
[41:48] Speaker 7: we're going to do the two fifty class there. And look,
[41:50] Speaker 7: if you can't make the nineteen eleven two fifty class,
[41:52] Speaker 7: you can make another class there, or you can go
[41:54] Speaker 7: down to gun Braves Ready Studios. I'm gonna be going
[41:59] Speaker 7: down there in June. Yeah, got it's next month. Now, Wow,
[42:03] Speaker 7: we're gonna be doing an event with a major gun
[42:05] Speaker 7: maker announcing a new product. We do a number of
[42:09] Speaker 7: these events there where gun makers come in and they
[42:13] Speaker 7: bring in some of the media and do an announcement.
[42:18] Speaker 7: Usually it's embargoed for a period of time before people
[42:22] Speaker 7: can release it and talk about it, so I won't
[42:24] Speaker 7: be able to talk about the gun we're shooting there
[42:28] Speaker 7: at least until they release it and say okay, hey
[42:29] Speaker 7: can do that. But it'll be fine. We'll get to
[42:31] Speaker 7: shoot some and you know, I'm a real big fan
[42:34] Speaker 7: of OPA. Other people's AMMO get to go shoot there,
[42:39] Speaker 7: and occasionally we actually open these things up to the
[42:43] Speaker 7: public where you can go shoot and what is essentially
[42:47] Speaker 7: a media event where the gun media gets to go
[42:51] Speaker 7: and you might have to sign an NDA it says
[42:54] Speaker 7: I can't talk about this new gun that I got
[42:56] Speaker 7: to shoot at this thing. Sometimes you even get to
[42:59] Speaker 7: keep the new gun. Yeah, Actually part of the enrollment
[43:04] Speaker 7: is you get to keep the new gun and the
[43:06] Speaker 7: animos provided and the hosters are provided and some other stuff.
[43:08] Speaker 7: So if that interests you, by all means, go over
[43:11] Speaker 7: to range Ready Studios, take a look there and sign
[43:14] Speaker 7: up for the newsletter. Because those classes sell out in
[43:16] Speaker 7: days what's the're announced, So if you go back and
[43:19] Speaker 7: check like once a month, you'll miss out on those
[43:22] Speaker 7: range Ready Studios dot com. So that's what I have
[43:26] Speaker 7: been doing. Love to know what you have been doing. Also,
[43:29] Speaker 7: you know me. I like to read. I like to
[43:30] Speaker 7: read interesting books, particularly those that have to do with
[43:34] Speaker 7: guns and shooting and shooters. Sometimes fiction, sometimes nonfiction. Coming up,
[43:40] Speaker 7: we're gonna be having one of the top fiction writers
[43:43] Speaker 7: authors talk about a rand new book. It's different involves guns,
[43:48] Speaker 7: actually involves New Orleans and Louisiana, my old stomping grounds
[43:51] Speaker 7: of cool stuff there. But you could be a part
[43:53] Speaker 7: of it. Call me now eight six' six talk. GUN
[43:56] Speaker 7: i Am Tom. Gresham this is gun.
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