# Competition Versus Tactical Shooting; Family Guns Carry Memories; Gift Guns To Grandchildren

An episode of [Gun Talk](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/190516844), 30 Aug 2026, 44 min.

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In This Hour: -- Will shooting competition matches hurt your survival chances in a gunfight? Noted trainer Steve Tarani knows this question from both sides. -- Preserve the memories of family members who have owned and used "family guns." -- Rather than giving guns to grandchildren, consider gifting a shooting lesson or a school. Gun Talk 8-30-26 Hour 3 Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/gun-talk--6185159/support.

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[0:29] Speaker 5: All right, welcome to Gun Talk. Tom Gresham here. You know,
[0:31] Speaker 5: we talk about guns around here and the Second Amendment.
[0:33] Speaker 5: There's all sorts of stories going on and things we've
[0:36] Speaker 5: got to cover. But we also want to talk about
[0:38] Speaker 5: the realities of what works, what doesn't work, and how
[0:41] Speaker 5: to take advantage of a lot of that. I posted
[0:44] Speaker 5: something online on X. Can I mention a story that
[0:47] Speaker 5: a friend of mine told me about... how he said
[0:50] Speaker 5: that when he was in his second gunfight, he realized
[0:53] Speaker 5: that some of the stuff that he learned shooting competition
[0:57] Speaker 5: really didn't work out there. And you would have thought
[0:59] Speaker 5: that I had called people's mothers bad names. Well, yeah,
[1:02] Speaker 5: there's competition and then there's tactical training and then there's gunfighting.
[1:06] Speaker 5: There's a broad spectrum. And I thought, who do I
[1:09] Speaker 5: know who I can bring into this?
[1:10] Speaker 6: Oh, oh, I know.
[1:11] Speaker 5: We'll get Steve Tarani in. Not only does he teach
[1:14] Speaker 5: this stuff, he has lived this stuff. And Steve, you
[1:17] Speaker 5: have been an instructor of the martial arts, a student
[1:20] Speaker 5: and an instructor. But you also are a competition shooter
[1:24] Speaker 5: because you hang around that Latham dude.
[1:26] Speaker 4: He's my hero. I want to be like him when
[1:28] Speaker 4: I grow up.
[1:28] Speaker 5: Yeah, don't we all. We would all like to be
[1:30] Speaker 5: like Rob Latham. I mean, you're an instructor at Gunsight,
[1:33] Speaker 5: but I guess we should, we can tell people you
[1:36] Speaker 5: have done things with those weird agencies, go places, do things,
[1:42] Speaker 5: whether it's executive protection or more than that. So you
[1:47] Speaker 5: have a world of training and experience in the real world.
[1:51] Speaker 5: What's your take in terms of Competition versus tactical versus
[1:58] Speaker 5: real world. Save yourself out on the street.
[2:01] Speaker 4: It's a very common topic, especially in the world. You know,
[2:05] Speaker 4: as you know, I work, I'm still active in executive
[2:08] Speaker 4: protection and still service federal contracts and things like that.
[2:11] Speaker 4: So if I could clear up what I believe to
[2:16] Speaker 4: be a common misconception. So they're shooting and then they're
[2:19] Speaker 4: shooting well, like Rob Latham said.
[2:21] Speaker 5: Well, you know, really good.
[2:23] Speaker 4: And it has nothing to do with whether you're caring
[2:26] Speaker 4: for personal defense or chasing a trophy, you know, from competition.
[2:32] Speaker 4: Once you press that trigger, the bullet doesn't know or
[2:35] Speaker 4: care why it's being fired. In my humble opinion, shooting
[2:39] Speaker 4: is shooting. In a defensive scenario, you know, defense scenarios
[2:43] Speaker 4: demand tactics, you know, movement, communication, judgment, decision-making, things like that.
[2:50] Speaker 4: Whereas competition, it's a completely different world that demands reading
[2:54] Speaker 4: a stage, planning, strategy, jumping in and out of boxes,
[2:58] Speaker 4: managing fault lines. Those are two completely different skill sets.
[3:03] Speaker 4: But I'm going to go back to my hero, TGO.
[3:07] Speaker 4: He defines shooting as the act of bringing stability to
[3:11] Speaker 4: alignment and pressing the trigger without disturbing that alignment. It's
[3:15] Speaker 4: the exact same process regardless of why you're sending rounds downrange.
[3:21] Speaker 5: So the shooting part is the shooting part where you're
[3:24] Speaker 5: trying to put shots on target. But I had one
[3:27] Speaker 5: fellow say, you know, for him, the big difference was
[3:30] Speaker 5: when you're shooting competition, when you start, you know everything
[3:36] Speaker 5: about what's going to happen. And in a gunfight, you
[3:39] Speaker 5: know nothing about what's going to happen.
[3:41] Speaker 4: I agree with that. Like we had discussed, it's two
[3:45] Speaker 4: completely different scenarios.
[3:47] Speaker 5: Are there parts of competition where, and we talk about
[3:51] Speaker 5: training scars, things you learn that don't serve you well,
[3:56] Speaker 5: things from competition where you're thinking, okay, that's something you
[3:59] Speaker 5: don't want to take into a gunfight.
[4:01] Speaker 4: Sure. I mean, you know, you see it all the time,
[4:03] Speaker 4: guys standing in the middle of a window or doorway
[4:06] Speaker 4: or something like that, you know, absolutely atrocious. But again,
[4:10] Speaker 4: you know, I have to go back to they're not trained.
[4:13] Speaker 4: You know, that's tactics. That's on the tactical side of
[4:17] Speaker 4: the house. Now, you have a tactician who, I mean,
[4:21] Speaker 4: I know plenty of guys that I work with and
[4:24] Speaker 4: train with. They're both. They've both been in the real
[4:28] Speaker 4: world in actual two-way range scenarios. And it looks the
[4:36] Speaker 4: other way with them. They're a little bit too tactical
[4:39] Speaker 4: in the gaming world. So, yeah, there's some spillover. But
[4:44] Speaker 4: I'd rather– which would you rather have? A guy who
[4:46] Speaker 4: can shoot like Rob Latham who knows tactics or– You know,
[4:51] Speaker 4: somebody who's very good at tactics that doesn't have the skill.
[4:53] Speaker 5: Can't really shoot. Yeah, no, I want the good shooter,
[4:56] Speaker 5: but I also want the good shooter that doesn't expose
[4:59] Speaker 5: himself or me or runs right through it at high
[5:03] Speaker 5: speed when you should be analyzing what the heck's going on.
[5:07] Speaker 5: What do you do for training to say, okay, I
[5:10] Speaker 5: really like shooting for competition. It's a fun game, but
[5:13] Speaker 5: I also carry a gun for self-defense and I want
[5:16] Speaker 5: to make sure I'm getting what I need there.
[5:18] Speaker 4: Sure. There's a ton of schools. I mean, I'm in
[5:21] Speaker 4: my 27th year teaching at Gunsight Academy.
[5:24] Speaker 5: Good grief.
[5:25] Speaker 4: Yeah. They still call me the new guy, by the way. And,
[5:29] Speaker 4: you know, I teach at SIG and Staccato and other places,
[5:33] Speaker 4: you know, around the country. And there's plenty of shooting
[5:38] Speaker 4: schools where you're learning how to fight with a gun.
[5:40] Speaker 4: They're out there. You just, you know. I listed a few.
[5:44] Speaker 4: There's plenty. And there's also not just the schools, but,
[5:46] Speaker 4: you know, there's guys out there that are tacticians, you know,
[5:51] Speaker 4: Dunder Ranch, places like that, Clint, guys like that, Randy Kane,
[5:55] Speaker 4: folks like that who are out there teaching Paul Howe
[5:58] Speaker 4: pure tactics, nothing to do with gaming whatsoever.
[6:02] Speaker 5: Okay. I think what I hear you saying is compete,
[6:05] Speaker 5: get better, because you're going to get better when you
[6:08] Speaker 5: get out there and say, wow, those guys are really good.
[6:10] Speaker 5: I need to up my game. But at the same time,
[6:12] Speaker 5: understand– That's not really enough to prepare you for a
[6:18] Speaker 5: fight in the street.
[6:19] Speaker 4: That's exactly it, Tom. You know, if you've got someone who,
[6:22] Speaker 4: I mean, they do it for a living, a law enforcement, military,
[6:26] Speaker 4: executive protection professional, you know, they're trained to do their job,
[6:30] Speaker 4: which is 100% tactics. And those who train and compete
[6:36] Speaker 4: compared to those who just study and work with the tactics,
[6:40] Speaker 4: there is a difference in level of performance.
[6:44] Speaker 5: When you work with, and you still work with them,
[6:47] Speaker 5: and when you were in the middle of it and
[6:48] Speaker 5: doing the tier one stuff, I mean, we're talking CIA, Delta, SEALs,
[6:54] Speaker 5: whatever it is. I mean, there are some within that
[6:57] Speaker 5: community who they work on tactics and everything else, but
[7:00] Speaker 5: there are a few that really just shoot all the time.
[7:04] Speaker 4: In law enforcement, let me isolate two law enforcement. In
[7:08] Speaker 4: the special teams and divisions and special forces and tier
[7:12] Speaker 4: one assets, those guys are, you know, they get a
[7:14] Speaker 4: pallet of ammo a week and that's all they do.
[7:16] Speaker 7: Train, train, train, train.
[7:19] Speaker 4: That's the part I miss about no longer working for
[7:22] Speaker 4: the government is now I have to pay for my
[7:24] Speaker 4: own ammo now. So those guys get a ton of training.
[7:30] Speaker 4: It's ingrained. It's in their blood. They can't not do it.
[7:33] Speaker 4: They train so much. But the guys that– I'll just
[7:37] Speaker 4: speak for law enforcement because that's a large volume of
[7:40] Speaker 4: my clients now. Less than 5%, the number's around 3%
[7:44] Speaker 4: to 4% of law enforcement professionals train on their own
[7:48] Speaker 4: time and their own dime. It's a small number.
[7:50] Speaker 5: Yeah.
[7:52] Speaker 4: But those who do, you know, guess what it is
[7:56] Speaker 4: that they do. They might be on a SWAT team,
[7:58] Speaker 4: but they also, you know, are shooting next week's regional match.
[8:02] Speaker 5: Ah, so they're shooting IDPA or USPSA and understanding that, yeah,
[8:08] Speaker 5: it may be fun, but also understanding that's the thing
[8:11] Speaker 5: that just may keep them alive out there.
[8:13] Speaker 4: Exactly. You know, think about a guy who has these
[8:17] Speaker 4: tactics ingrained. It's second nature to them. They don't even
[8:19] Speaker 4: think about it. And now take that same guy who
[8:22] Speaker 4: has those ingrained tactics and give him the skill of
[8:26] Speaker 4: an A-class or master or even grandmaster level shooter. I mean,
[8:32] Speaker 4: that guy's unstoppable in the street. No bad guy can
[8:35] Speaker 4: have that kind of combination.
[8:37] Speaker 5: The bad guys don't practice. They don't commit to that.
[8:41] Speaker 5: And the more we work on it, the better we're
[8:43] Speaker 5: going to have a chance.
[8:45] Speaker 4: You've heard the old sayings, things like distance favors the trained,
[8:50] Speaker 4: things like that. Those happen to be true. And the
[8:54] Speaker 4: bad guys may not train, of course, but they can
[8:57] Speaker 4: be lucky. That lucky, that golden BB, that's what you
[9:01] Speaker 4: got to worry about. So having the skill, having the
[9:04] Speaker 4: tactics to know what to do and when to do it,
[9:06] Speaker 4: now stack upon those tremendous skills, the ability to shoot
[9:12] Speaker 4: really well, You know, you're putting yourself ahead of the
[9:15] Speaker 4: curve there.
[9:15] Speaker 5: All right. So you are one of those guys. I mean,
[9:19] Speaker 5: you really have been there, done that at the very
[9:22] Speaker 5: highest levels. You train people. What do you do personally
[9:27] Speaker 5: to balance out the tactics with the shooting skills?
[9:32] Speaker 4: I try to take a class or two a year
[9:35] Speaker 4: to refresh the tactical side, and I stay current. You
[9:39] Speaker 4: know how it is, Tom. As a teacher, when you're
[9:42] Speaker 4: up there teaching, you're not getting your reps in. So
[9:46] Speaker 4: I force myself to put the time in needed to
[9:50] Speaker 4: get the trigger time necessary to keep the, as you know,
[9:53] Speaker 4: the first thing that goes is timing. So you know
[9:56] Speaker 4: you want to keep those skills so the combination of
[9:59] Speaker 4: you know continuing your education and uh continuing your own
[10:03] Speaker 4: skills development that combination is is what i do now.
[10:07] Speaker 5: So it's not really a cliche at all that your
[10:10] Speaker 5: skills start deteriorating after your last class.
[10:14] Speaker 4: Not at all. Think about the last five-day class that
[10:18] Speaker 4: you took. You were shooting every day, you know, and
[10:20] Speaker 4: 40 hours into it, you're pretty tuned in. Then you
[10:24] Speaker 4: take a week or two weeks off. Are you shooting
[10:27] Speaker 4: at the same level you were at the end of
[10:29] Speaker 4: that 40-hour block?
[10:31] Speaker 5: No way. Steve Tarani, I mean, you are an incredible instructor.
[10:35] Speaker 5: You have a number of really good books. You teach
[10:38] Speaker 5: the courses. You do speaking engagements. I want to encourage
[10:41] Speaker 5: people to go check it out. SteveTarani.com. Is that the
[10:44] Speaker 5: best place for people to go?
[10:46] Speaker 4: Yes, sir.
[10:47] Speaker 5: Okay, it's T-A-R-A-N-I for people trying to figure it out, stevetarani.com.
[10:52] Speaker 5: And I would just encourage anybody, if they get a
[10:54] Speaker 5: chance to take a class with you, do it. It
[10:56] Speaker 5: was one of the highlights that I really enjoyed at Gunsight.
[10:59] Speaker 5: All right, don't go very far, folks. We'll be right
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[13:41] Speaker 5: So what happened to the 16-gauge anyway? Do you still
[13:49] Speaker 5: have one? Did you grow up with one? I mean,
[13:52] Speaker 5: it's virtually gone, but that doesn't mean it doesn't work.
[13:55] Speaker 5: Just curious, just kind of thinking about old guns, old cartridges,
[13:59] Speaker 5: old gauges. 866-TALK-GUN will get you here, or Tom-TALK-GUN. Brian
[14:04] Speaker 5: called in out of Mississippi. Hey, Brian, you got a
[14:07] Speaker 5: continuation of this subject that was brought up. I think
[14:09] Speaker 5: it's really interesting. What do you got?
[14:12] Speaker 10: Hey, Tom. Yeah, when my dad was diagnosed with dementia,
[14:19] Speaker 10: that was one of the hardest things, probably the hardest
[14:21] Speaker 10: thing I've ever had to do. It's not like He
[14:24] Speaker 10: didn't have a huge collection, but he had a couple
[14:26] Speaker 10: of pistols, and we really didn't think it would be
[14:29] Speaker 10: a good idea to leave them in his house. He
[14:34] Speaker 10: wasn't ever dangerous, didn't ever show any signs of anything,
[14:38] Speaker 10: but with just that diagnosis, we thought it might be
[14:43] Speaker 10: a bad mixture, and with the advice of friends, I just...
[14:48] Speaker 10: I went to him one day and said, hey, Dad,
[14:51] Speaker 10: me and my brother, or I don't remember who it was,
[14:53] Speaker 10: we're going to go to the range. Can I take
[14:55] Speaker 10: your pistols and shoot them? And, of course, he was like, absolutely, yeah, sure.
[14:59] Speaker 10: Y'all have fun. And that was a hard day. Probably
[15:05] Speaker 10: cried a little bit, but, you know, I felt it
[15:09] Speaker 10: was the right thing to do, and everybody I talked
[15:11] Speaker 10: to said, yes, absolutely, you need to do that. And,
[15:16] Speaker 10: you know, I knew I wasn't ever going to bring
[15:17] Speaker 10: him back. uh, bring them back to him.
[15:20] Speaker 5: But, um, did he, did he ask about him later?
[15:24] Speaker 10: He, he never asked about him. Uh, he was real,
[15:28] Speaker 10: you know, quiet and easy going, but, uh, you know, he,
[15:32] Speaker 10: he always talked about doing different things and, you know, I,
[15:36] Speaker 10: I could probably drive again or I, I used to
[15:38] Speaker 10: be able to do that. And, you know, but he,
[15:41] Speaker 10: they never really, it never came up and we, we
[15:44] Speaker 10: steered away from, uh, the subject, and I may have that.
[15:49] Speaker 5: I think you did it right.
[15:52] Speaker 10: Yeah.
[15:53] Speaker 5: Look, I went through that. That was my dad at
[15:56] Speaker 5: the end, Alzheimer's. We had the whole deal, the car, everything,
[16:01] Speaker 5: all of it.
[16:01] Speaker 10: Yeah, did the car too. I'm still driving it.
[16:04] Speaker 5: Yeah, it's hard. I mean, it's just, it's hard. But
[16:10] Speaker 5: you cannot say, well, gee, it's hard. I won't do it.
[16:13] Speaker 5: You have to do the hard thing for for your
[16:17] Speaker 5: loved one, as well as for yourself and your peace
[16:20] Speaker 5: of mind. And I like the idea of if you
[16:24] Speaker 5: can get ahead of it and say, hey, you know, dad,
[16:26] Speaker 5: at some point, we may get here. Let's have that
[16:29] Speaker 5: conversation now and basically get a buy-off on it. And
[16:32] Speaker 5: that doesn't mean he's going to remember it, which is
[16:34] Speaker 5: the other part of it, right?
[16:37] Speaker 10: Well, and, you know, you asked if he ever asked
[16:40] Speaker 10: about them, and I don't remember him ever asking, but,
[16:44] Speaker 10: you know, something you could say if you're ever in
[16:46] Speaker 10: that situation is, well, I need to clean them up
[16:48] Speaker 10: before I get them back to you.
[16:50] Speaker 5: Yes. Yeah, there are a lot of ways to do that, yes.
[16:53] Speaker 11: Right, right.
[16:54] Speaker 10: And just, you know, postpone it a little bit and
[16:58] Speaker 10: push it a little bit farther down the road and
[17:00] Speaker 10: procrastinate and– You know, it's a tough time of life.
[17:05] Speaker 10: It's a hard thing for anybody to go through.
[17:08] Speaker 5: It's one day at a time, too.
[17:10] Speaker 11: Absolutely.
[17:11] Speaker 10: And you never know what you're going to get from
[17:12] Speaker 10: day to day.
[17:14] Speaker 5: Well, isn't that the truth? And you get backsliding and
[17:17] Speaker 5: then you think, oh, it's getting better. It's better than
[17:19] Speaker 5: it was.
[17:19] Speaker 6: Yeah.
[17:20] Speaker 5: Some days are going to be better. Some days are
[17:21] Speaker 5: going to be worse. Look, I applaud you, for one,
[17:24] Speaker 5: for doing it and also for sharing the story. I
[17:26] Speaker 5: appreciate it very much. And, yeah, it's a tough deal.
[17:30] Speaker 5: Thank you so much, Brian. Appreciate that call. I mentioned
[17:34] Speaker 5: this crazy idea of Schrodinger's gun. And here's how this
[17:39] Speaker 5: came about. This interesting story I read by a woman
[17:43] Speaker 5: named Oana Trin. Don't know who she is. Starts off,
[17:48] Speaker 5: I always understood why the Second Amendment was constitutionally protected.
[17:53] Speaker 5: What I never really understood was why people called it
[17:58] Speaker 5: a natural right. Then I moved from New York.
[18:03] Speaker 4: To Florida.
[18:06] Speaker 5: Let me tell the story. She moves to Florida. She's
[18:09] Speaker 5: a New Yorker. She's filling up her car at a
[18:13] Speaker 5: gas station. A guy comes up to her. Kind of
[18:16] Speaker 5: surprises her from behind. He's basically a panhandler, a scammer. Says,
[18:21] Speaker 5: I need some gas for my car. Turns out he didn't.
[18:24] Speaker 5: She offered to pay for the gas for his car
[18:26] Speaker 5: and put gas in his car. That wasn't what he wanted.
[18:29] Speaker 5: He wanted cash. But that's a separate thing. But She
[18:34] Speaker 5: turned around and was kind of startled. He backed up
[18:36] Speaker 5: and said, oh, I won't get too close to you.
[18:39] Speaker 5: But what was interesting is not what was going on
[18:41] Speaker 5: with him, but what was going on with her. She
[18:44] Speaker 5: got into her car and she said for the first
[18:47] Speaker 5: time she realized this guy didn't come up real close
[18:53] Speaker 5: to her. And she thought it's very possibly because he
[18:57] Speaker 5: didn't know if she had a gun or not. Because
[19:02] Speaker 5: she was in Florida. In New York, he could be
[19:06] Speaker 5: virtually assured that she did not have a gun. She
[19:10] Speaker 5: talked about her history. She had somebody she knew who
[19:15] Speaker 5: was murdered in a break-in at his house. She had
[19:18] Speaker 5: somebody mug her, put a gun to her head in
[19:20] Speaker 5: New York. She said, and they knew, those people knew
[19:23] Speaker 5: that we didn't have guns, so they could do what
[19:25] Speaker 5: they wanted to do. She said, but it's the whole
[19:29] Speaker 5: Schrodinger's cat thing where the cat's in the box and
[19:31] Speaker 5: it might be dead, it might be alive, and it's
[19:34] Speaker 5: actually both at the same time, according to the theory.
[19:36] Speaker 5: And she said, and so for these people, if you're
[19:40] Speaker 5: in a state where you can own a gun, where
[19:42] Speaker 5: you can carry a gun, to the bad guy, you
[19:45] Speaker 5: both have a gun and don't have a gun, and
[19:47] Speaker 5: the bad guy just doesn't know. And she goes on
[19:51] Speaker 5: this thought experiment, going through the whole thing, and she said,
[19:57] Speaker 5: you know, I never thought about this that way, that
[20:02] Speaker 5: I benefit, even though I'm not carrying a gun, I
[20:06] Speaker 5: benefit from the fact that I could be carrying a gun.
[20:10] Speaker 5: And that bad guys may well change their behavior because
[20:16] Speaker 5: they don't know if I'm carrying a gun. I thought
[20:21] Speaker 5: that was really interesting. And then she finished it up
[20:24] Speaker 5: with this and something I had not thought of. I
[20:26] Speaker 5: got to tell you. She says, when you live somewhere
[20:31] Speaker 5: where you are taught not only to fear guns, but
[20:36] Speaker 5: but also not understand them. You're actually taught to not
[20:40] Speaker 5: understand them. Nor are you encouraged to learn how to
[20:45] Speaker 5: use them safely, let alone exposed to them outside of
[20:48] Speaker 5: a threat. The shift to a place that doesn't function
[20:52] Speaker 5: that way is profound. I've never lived in a place
[20:58] Speaker 5: like that. And I'd never really thought about The idea
[21:04] Speaker 5: that you're living in a place where you're taught to
[21:07] Speaker 5: fear guns. And I know that for a lot of people,
[21:12] Speaker 5: and I've mentioned this before, when they think guns, they
[21:15] Speaker 5: think crime. Simple. Guns, crime, guns, crime, guns, crime. That's
[21:19] Speaker 5: all guns are used for is crime. Because that's all
[21:21] Speaker 5: I ever hear about. I never hear about people using
[21:24] Speaker 5: guns for self-defense. I don't know of anybody who uses
[21:28] Speaker 5: guns recreationally. If you live in a lot of these places.
[21:32] Speaker 5: It's like the guy, producer at NBC, who told me,
[21:35] Speaker 5: he says, Tom, I don't know anybody who owns guns.
[21:37] Speaker 5: I said, yeah, you do. They just don't talk about
[21:39] Speaker 5: it in New York. Two weeks later, he called me back.
[21:42] Speaker 5: He says, this is amazing, Tom. Half the people I
[21:45] Speaker 5: know own guns. I just never knew that. I said, yeah,
[21:47] Speaker 5: I kind of figured that, Keith. It's all right. But
[21:51] Speaker 5: you're in a place where you're taught to fear guns.
[21:53] Speaker 5: You're told that guns are never used for good. And
[21:57] Speaker 5: that's your reality. And you know this to be true
[22:01] Speaker 5: because that's all you're ever exposed to. And then she
[22:03] Speaker 5: comes down to Florida and goes, wow, look at this.
[22:07] Speaker 5: This really is a natural right. I have the right
[22:10] Speaker 5: to control my body. And with this, I have a
[22:13] Speaker 5: tool to protect my body. She never knew that before.
[22:18] Speaker 5: She never thought about that before. And she said, the
[22:21] Speaker 5: difference is profound. So enjoy that. Rejoice in that. Be
[22:27] Speaker 5: right back. All right, we're back with you. Give me
[22:38] Speaker 5: a call. Tom, talk gun. That's the easy way in here.
[22:40] Speaker 5: John did. He's in Coos Bay, Oregon. Hey, John, you
[22:44] Speaker 5: got a warning for us here.
[22:46] Speaker 11: Hey, Tom.
[22:47] Speaker 12: Good to talk to you again. Yeah, I listened to
[22:49] Speaker 12: your last caller talking about, you know, how he rightfully
[22:53] Speaker 12: took the handguns away from his father. And it occurred
[22:56] Speaker 12: to me that there's people out there who think that
[23:00] Speaker 12: what he should have done is to contact the authorities
[23:02] Speaker 12: and have them confiscate.
[23:04] Speaker 11: Them and destroy them.
[23:05] Speaker 12: And the laws are designed sort of in that direction.
[23:08] Speaker 12: I could see you getting in big trouble without an FFL,
[23:11] Speaker 12: and you're getting the wrong jurisdiction, and boy, you could
[23:16] Speaker 12: get bankrupted fighting against this if somebody had bad intentions,
[23:19] Speaker 12: which of course the anti-gunners do. So I thought You
[23:22] Speaker 12: stop a little warning about how you go about doing it.
[23:25] Speaker 12: I think just, you know, somebody doesn't have a lot
[23:28] Speaker 12: of experience with firearms. I think, yeah, I'm just going
[23:30] Speaker 12: to take those from dad. And it could go sideways bad.
[23:33] Speaker 5: Well, and to your point, it depends entirely on where
[23:37] Speaker 5: you are. In a lot of states, it's not a
[23:40] Speaker 5: big deal because you can transfer guns. You can take
[23:42] Speaker 5: them from your dad or he could give them to you.
[23:44] Speaker 5: But in some states, they have that so-called universal background
[23:48] Speaker 5: check where any kind of transfer like that has to
[23:50] Speaker 5: go through an FFL, through a gun store. And if
[23:53] Speaker 5: you were to do it without doing that, you could
[23:56] Speaker 5: get sideways with the law. So, yeah, you make a
[23:59] Speaker 5: really good point. I had not thought of that. But, yeah,
[24:03] Speaker 5: depending on where you are and what the laws are there,
[24:07] Speaker 5: it's something to consider. And look, John, thank you for
[24:10] Speaker 5: bringing that up. I got to admit, I did not
[24:13] Speaker 5: go there because I don't live in that kind of
[24:14] Speaker 5: restricted environment because I would not. So there you go.
[24:18] Speaker 5: Let's go grab Ken in Boise, Idaho. He's on line five. Hey, Ken,
[24:22] Speaker 5: you are on Gun Talk.
[24:24] Speaker 11: Hi, Tom. Hey, you were asking about 16-gauge. I have
[24:29] Speaker 11: two of them that I still hunt with for upland hunting. Game,
[24:34] Speaker 11: they work fine. They're all the gun you need for
[24:38] Speaker 11: any upland.
[24:40] Speaker 5: What models do you have?
[24:42] Speaker 11: I've got a Browning Belgian FN A5. It was my
[24:49] Speaker 11: father's gun, and that gun's killed a lot of pheasants.
[24:56] Speaker 11: And I also have a Merkel box lock side-by-side that
[25:00] Speaker 11: I bought. It's a two-barrel set. It's a 20-gauge, and
[25:04] Speaker 11: it also has a.
[25:09] Speaker 11: A set of 16-gauge barrels.
[25:10] Speaker 5: All right, question for you. How do you make the
[25:13] Speaker 5: decision between which set of barrels you're going to put on?
[25:16] Speaker 10: That's good.
[25:18] Speaker 11: Well, you know, I think it depends what me and
[25:22] Speaker 11: my faithful Brittany are chasing. So I prefer the 16-gauge
[25:27] Speaker 11: if we're going after pheasants. And I usually, if we're
[25:32] Speaker 11: chasing chuckers or huns, I usually shoot the 20-gauge.
[25:38] Speaker 5: And you do understand there's not enough difference between the two.
[25:42] Speaker 5: It's just a thing that we do because we like it.
[25:46] Speaker 11: Exactly. I've got a lot of old 16-gauge ammo, and
[25:50] Speaker 11: most of it's number sixes.
[25:52] Speaker 4: Oh, boy.
[25:54] Speaker 5: Pheasant loads. No doubt. There's nothing in the world wrong
[25:59] Speaker 5: with 16s. I like the 16. It just got squeezed
[26:03] Speaker 5: out between the different loads, between the 20-gauge and the 12-gauge.
[26:09] Speaker 5: I think it was kind of that compromise position. People say, well,
[26:12] Speaker 5: I don't know which one to get, so I'll get
[26:13] Speaker 5: the 16. But now it's like none of us has
[26:16] Speaker 5: to say, okay, I'm only going to have one gun.
[26:18] Speaker 5: My one gun I use for everything. Because clearly you
[26:21] Speaker 5: have two 16s. I'm guessing you probably have other shotguns
[26:24] Speaker 5: as well, right?
[26:26] Speaker 6: I do.
[26:27] Speaker 11: And don't ask me for an exact count.
[26:31] Speaker 5: I would never do that to my friends. I would
[26:36] Speaker 5: not want it returned back to me because my answer
[26:39] Speaker 5: would be, I don't know.
[26:41] Speaker 11: Yeah, I've got two large safes and it's to the
[26:45] Speaker 11: point where I can't buy anymore without buying another safe.
[26:50] Speaker 5: Well, you know, they will sell you a new safe today.
[26:52] Speaker 5: So it's an okay thing. You can just do what
[26:55] Speaker 5: you need to do there. All right, Ken, look, I
[27:00] Speaker 5: appreciate the call. Yeah, I love that 16. Jeff's in
[27:03] Speaker 5: La Grande, Oregon, line one. Hey, Jeff, you're on Gun Talk.
[27:08] Speaker 9: Well, good morning.
[27:10] Speaker 13: And in 1949, my dad was 19 and my uncle
[27:15] Speaker 13: was 18. They went together and bought my grandfather a 721.
[27:20] Speaker 13: 300 H & H, and an Ithaca Model 37 Featherweight
[27:26] Speaker 13: 16 gauge.
[27:27] Speaker 4: Oh, my.
[27:29] Speaker 13: Over the years that Ithaca was passed around different family
[27:34] Speaker 13: members and kind of beat up, and I ran into
[27:38] Speaker 13: it in 1982 and grabbed onto it and got it
[27:42] Speaker 13: cleaned up and took it back to my grandfather and said,
[27:46] Speaker 13: here's your shotgun. I'm sorry all the family members kind
[27:49] Speaker 13: of beat it up. And I said I cleaned it
[27:52] Speaker 13: up as good as I could and, you know, kind
[27:55] Speaker 13: of tongue-oiled the wood on it. My grandfather said, well,
[28:00] Speaker 13: why don't you just keep it? I think it would
[28:02] Speaker 13: be in better hands with you. And it's sitting about
[28:07] Speaker 13: 18 inches from me right now. I've used it when
[28:11] Speaker 13: I moved to eastern Oregon, used it for a lot
[28:14] Speaker 13: of chukar hunts, a lot of pheasant hunts. And even
[28:18] Speaker 13: though I can't see very good now when I go
[28:20] Speaker 13: out grouse hunting, that's what I take.
[28:24] Speaker 5: And you know what that gun is. You will understand
[28:27] Speaker 5: what I'm saying. That is a highly valuable gun. Not
[28:33] Speaker 5: that anybody's going to pay a lot of money for it,
[28:35] Speaker 5: but for you, there is so much value in having
[28:38] Speaker 5: that gun sitting there 18 inches from you, in all
[28:42] Speaker 5: the memories that are there. The family history is all
[28:46] Speaker 5: wrapped up right there in that shotgun.
[28:48] Speaker 13: Yeah, it was the first centerfire weapon I ever fired
[28:52] Speaker 13: when I was about nine years old, and it slapped
[28:55] Speaker 13: me in the chin pretty good. But it's going to
[28:59] Speaker 13: get passed down to my nephew in Montana here in
[29:02] Speaker 13: a year or two, and he's promised to take care
[29:06] Speaker 13: of it. He understands history a little bit, but Ammunition
[29:10] Speaker 13: for it is very easy to get. Bi-Mart here in
[29:14] Speaker 13: La Grande always has 16-gauge.
[29:17] Speaker 5: All right, I've got to ask you to do something, okay?
[29:21] Speaker 5: You may be ahead of me on this, but if not,
[29:25] Speaker 5: with your phone, you can take video. And if you'll
[29:29] Speaker 5: flip that thing around and point it at you and
[29:33] Speaker 5: pick that gun up and start telling stories, as many
[29:36] Speaker 5: stories as you can remember. of hunts, of this, of
[29:40] Speaker 5: that of the people who had it and then that
[29:44] Speaker 5: video goes with the gun when you pass it along.
[29:48] Speaker 13: That's a pretty good idea. I never thought of that.
[29:51] Speaker 5: It's just so easy now. We don't have to write
[29:54] Speaker 5: it down. We literally just turn on the camera and
[29:57] Speaker 5: start telling the stories, and you cannot even, or maybe
[30:01] Speaker 5: you can't imagine how important and how valuable that recording
[30:07] Speaker 5: will be, and it will stay with that gun as
[30:10] Speaker 5: it gets passed down to more generations.
[30:14] Speaker 13: I never thought of it, and I appreciate it, and
[30:18] Speaker 13: The one stipulation I told my nephew is that no
[30:22] Speaker 13: matter what, it has to be passed down from him
[30:25] Speaker 13: to another family member.
[30:27] Speaker 5: There you go. There you go. I love it. Thank
[30:30] Speaker 5: you for passing that along to us. That is what
[30:32] Speaker 5: a great story. I love that. Doug is in West
[30:36] Speaker 5: Virginia on two. Hey, Doug, you made it into Gun Talk.
[30:39] Speaker 5: What's going on?
[30:41] Speaker 14: Hey, Tom, I've got a range report for you.
[30:43] Speaker 2: Wonderful.
[30:43] Speaker 4: Wonderful.
[30:45] Speaker 14: I recently attended a shoot-sig event at our local gun
[30:49] Speaker 14: range in Summit Point, West Virginia, and I took my
[30:53] Speaker 14: P365 Fuse with a Romeo Red Dot on it, and
[30:57] Speaker 14: I did okay for the first time of doing that,
[31:00] Speaker 14: but the big deal at the event was going over
[31:03] Speaker 14: to the demo table where you got to shoot everything
[31:05] Speaker 14: that they brought on their dime, and I ended up
[31:09] Speaker 14: buying a P211 GTO with a Comp and a Romeo
[31:13] Speaker 14: X on it.
[31:18] Speaker 5: Well, first of all, good on you, but holy cow,
[31:21] Speaker 5: you went all the way, didn't you?
[31:24] Speaker 14: I shot that thing, and it was like, oh, yeah,
[31:27] Speaker 14: double stack, 1911 style. It was sweet.
[31:32] Speaker 5: And you got the single-action trigger on it, right?
[31:35] Speaker 1: Yes.
[31:36] Speaker 5: And that is such a good trigger. You know, we
[31:39] Speaker 5: did that pistol in a 10-millimeter for one of our
[31:43] Speaker 5: Gun Talk guns. And I shot it in a. 45
[31:46] Speaker 5: first and said, yeah, I like this gun. Let's see
[31:48] Speaker 5: if we can talk them into doing a 10, and
[31:50] Speaker 5: we did. It's kind of a big gun, but, man,
[31:56] Speaker 5: does it shoot nicely.
[31:58] Speaker 14: Well, and they have this 3D-printed comp on the GTO
[32:02] Speaker 14: on the front of it for shooting on the range.
[32:07] Speaker 14: And the target acquisition for follow-up shots is just amazing.
[32:11] Speaker 5: Holy cow. So what's your plan? What are you going
[32:13] Speaker 5: to be doing with this pistol?
[32:16] Speaker 14: Oh, I've got a little range here at the house
[32:18] Speaker 14: with some steel and maybe some local competitions and just fun.
[32:24] Speaker 5: Well, you know what? That's as good as anything. Just
[32:27] Speaker 5: fun is the answer I love. Great range report, sir.
[32:30] Speaker 5: Congratulations on your new pistol. Carry on. Let's grab Matthew
[32:35] Speaker 5: in Metairie, Louisiana on three. Hey, Matthew, we're talking gun build?
[32:41] Speaker 9: Yes, gun belts. I finally got one. I decided to
[32:44] Speaker 9: go ahead and take the plunge. I got a neck belt.
[32:47] Speaker 9: Maybe I could have gotten.
[32:48] Speaker 11: A better one.
[32:49] Speaker 9: Maybe this is the perfect belt. But it turns out
[32:51] Speaker 9: they have another use besides carrying a gun, and that
[32:55] Speaker 9: is they help you with patients who are bedridden, wheelchair-bound,
[32:59] Speaker 9: have difficulty walking like my wife after her four back surgeries.
[33:04] Speaker 9: By the way, double thumbs down on back surgeries after
[33:07] Speaker 9: the age of 65.
[33:09] Speaker 5: So how do you use a belt for that?
[33:13] Speaker 9: When she's ready to fall, she reaches out, she grabs
[33:17] Speaker 9: the belt, and the belt helps support her.
[33:21] Speaker 5: You mean the belt that you're wearing?
[33:23] Speaker 9: Yes, the belt that I am wearing.
[33:25] Speaker 5: Okay, so it gives her a grab place, a handle
[33:27] Speaker 5: to hold on to. Yeah, why not? I mean, and
[33:31] Speaker 5: for those who don't know, let me just back up.
[33:34] Speaker 5: We're talking about a gun belt as opposed to a
[33:36] Speaker 5: wide belt. You know, anything that's not an actual gun
[33:39] Speaker 5: belt is not a gun belt. And the difference, well,
[33:42] Speaker 5: you tell them, Matthew. The difference is huge between just
[33:44] Speaker 5: a regular wide belt and a real gun belt.
[33:48] Speaker 9: A gun belt is stiff. It can support quite a
[33:52] Speaker 9: bit of weight, including the weight of a falling wife.
[33:55] Speaker 11: Wow.
[33:56] Speaker 13: Wow.
[33:57] Speaker 5: Well, I never had thought of that, but it makes
[34:00] Speaker 5: complete sense to me.
[34:01] Speaker 9: And so.
[34:04] Speaker 5: That's terrific. Well, look, thank you for passing that along.
[34:07] Speaker 5: I tell you, I'm such a believer in gun belts.
[34:10] Speaker 5: I got a whole bunch of them now. It's like
[34:11] Speaker 5: I find a new one and go, oh, I'll get
[34:13] Speaker 5: that one too. And I've got the canvas ones, nylon ones,
[34:17] Speaker 5: if you will. I still gravitate toward the leather ones.
[34:22] Speaker 5: I guess I just like leather stuff, but good, thick
[34:25] Speaker 5: gun belts. It's so funny. People say, you know, I've
[34:28] Speaker 5: heard you say that for years and I finally got one. Wow,
[34:31] Speaker 5: that really makes a difference. Isn't that what I've been
[34:34] Speaker 5: saying all these years? The minute you get a good
[34:37] Speaker 5: gun belt, it is so much more comfortable to carry
[34:40] Speaker 5: a gun. The weight doesn't bother you. Your back doesn't hurt.
[34:44] Speaker 5: It's not flopping around. It's always where it's supposed to be.
[34:47] Speaker 5: You stop touching your gun all the time because you
[34:52] Speaker 5: know exactly where it is. It's snugged up against you
[34:55] Speaker 5: where it's supposed to be. Gun belts are a really,
[34:57] Speaker 5: really good investment. If you carry a gun, you need
[35:00] Speaker 5: to spend money on a real gun belt. We got
[35:03] Speaker 5: time for Robert here. Let's do that. Line four, Robert
[35:08] Speaker 5: is in Arkansas. Robert, what's up?
[35:11] Speaker 7: Yes, sir. I've got three grandchildren. The oldest is a girl, 15.
[35:16] Speaker 7: The other two are 12 and 13. And you mentioned
[35:20] Speaker 7: a 16-gauge gun. I grew up with a buddy who
[35:26] Speaker 7: had what he called the Sweet 16, which was a
[35:29] Speaker 7: double barrel.
[35:30] Speaker 5: Okay.
[35:31] Speaker 7: I didn't know they were even in production anymore. Can
[35:36] Speaker 7: you give me someone that I can find these rifles?
[35:44] Speaker 5: Well, they're shotguns. Yeah, they're shotguns. And here's the thing.
[35:50] Speaker 5: I'm not sure that that's a really good choice. for them?
[35:55] Speaker 5: It may be too big a gun for the youngsters.
[36:00] Speaker 5: Here's a question. Do they shoot shotguns now?
[36:04] Speaker 7: No.
[36:07] Speaker 5: Why are you wanting to get them shotguns?
[36:10] Speaker 7: Because I've already given them 22 rifles. The Plinkster... You know,
[36:18] Speaker 7: not that I'm a gun guy or anything, but I'm just.
[36:23] Speaker 5: Do they like to shoot?
[36:24] Speaker 7: I'm going to upgrade them.
[36:26] Speaker 5: They like to shoot?
[36:27] Speaker 7: Oh, they love nature.
[36:29] Speaker 5: I got an idea. I got an idea for you.
[36:37] Speaker 4: Poke around.
[36:38] Speaker 5: I guarantee you there are some trap shooting clubs or
[36:40] Speaker 5: skeet shooting clubs, clay target clubs around somewhere. And I'll
[36:45] Speaker 5: bet you they have an instructor. And what I would
[36:49] Speaker 5: do is I would give them each... a lesson or
[36:53] Speaker 5: several lessons with a shooting instructor where they will really
[36:57] Speaker 5: learn to shoot well, and they will start breaking a
[37:00] Speaker 5: lot of targets, and then they can choose the gun,
[37:04] Speaker 5: and you can still buy the gun for them, but
[37:05] Speaker 5: I would let them choose for themselves after getting some instruction.
[37:10] Speaker 5: What do you think?
[37:13] Speaker 7: That sounds great, actually. I did not even consider that.
[37:17] Speaker 7: My ex-wife, I come home one day, and she's in...
[37:23] Speaker 7: a rural area, and she had spent every bullet, every
[37:27] Speaker 7: shell of four different guns to kill a snake. And
[37:33] Speaker 7: she missed every time. And this is a red clay road.
[37:39] Speaker 7: And I'm going, what are you doing? And I looked
[37:44] Speaker 7: at where her feet were placed. I'm like, baby, you
[37:48] Speaker 7: could have blown your feet off.
[37:50] Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm glad she didn't hurt herself. Yeah, it's like, okay, well, no, seriously,
[37:54] Speaker 5: for your grandkids, I would really poke around, find yourself
[37:59] Speaker 5: a shooting range that has clay target shooting and ask
[38:03] Speaker 5: about an instructor and sign them up for a class,
[38:07] Speaker 5: maybe all of them together. They might get a group
[38:09] Speaker 5: deal going and have them try some different guns because
[38:13] Speaker 5: usually the instructor has access to different shotguns and say, look,
[38:15] Speaker 5: we want to try some different ones. And then they'll
[38:18] Speaker 5: figure out, okay, I like that one. I don't like
[38:20] Speaker 5: that one. A 20 gauge, I want a semi-auto. I
[38:23] Speaker 5: like the shorter stock, whatever it is. They may even
[38:26] Speaker 5: include a gun fitting, which would be a wonderful thing
[38:30] Speaker 5: to do. But yeah, I think that's honestly a better
[38:33] Speaker 5: way to go because you could get them shotguns that
[38:35] Speaker 5: don't fit them, that they don't like, and they end
[38:37] Speaker 5: up never using. So start with the lesson and then
[38:40] Speaker 5: work your way out from there. Look, great call. Thank you.
[38:42] Speaker 5: I appreciate the chance to talk about that. Giving somebody
[38:47] Speaker 5: a class is a really good way to get them
[38:50] Speaker 5: into shooting. Rather than buying them a gun at the
[38:54] Speaker 5: local shooting range, whether it's pistol, rifle, whatever it happens
[38:57] Speaker 5: to be, Tell the instructor, I want to try several
[39:00] Speaker 5: different guns and then maybe I can figure out which
[39:02] Speaker 5: one I want. Instructors love that. They'll say, oh yeah,
[39:05] Speaker 5: let's try some different ones. We'll get you going here.
[39:07] Speaker 5: It's a great way to get people going. So just
[39:10] Speaker 5: kind of put that in your bonnet and let you
[39:11] Speaker 5: work on that. Besides, we have gift occasions coming up.
[39:15] Speaker 5: Before you know it, Christmas is going to be here.
[39:28] Speaker 5: All right, if you're listening to this live, I'll do
[39:30] Speaker 5: you a favor. If you're listening to this on the
[39:31] Speaker 5: podcast later, it's too late. I made the mistake, or
[39:35] Speaker 5: I guess maybe it's not a mistake. I just went
[39:37] Speaker 5: on to gunbroker.com and looked under Dury's Guns. You just
[39:41] Speaker 5: do a search for Dury's, D-U-R-Y-S, Dury's Guns. They put
[39:45] Speaker 5: their guns up. They're up for a week, and then
[39:47] Speaker 5: all the auctions time out on Sunday afternoon. That's now.
[39:52] Speaker 5: It's amazing how many cool guns they have. And of course,
[39:54] Speaker 5: they all come with their lifetime warranty. But they've got
[39:57] Speaker 5: one in there that if I shot right-handed, I would
[40:01] Speaker 5: be bidding on this right now, but I shoot left-handed
[40:04] Speaker 5: with rifles. It's a Saco Model 98. It's a 9.3
[40:09] Speaker 5: by 62. A cartridge you may not know about, but
[40:13] Speaker 5: it's kind of like a 35 Weyland, but cooler, even better.
[40:16] Speaker 5: And the price right now is still under a thousand bucks,
[40:18] Speaker 5: which is an amazing price. So if you are interested,
[40:22] Speaker 5: go take a look. Go to Gun Broker and take
[40:25] Speaker 5: a look. Just search for Dury's Guns. They have a
[40:28] Speaker 5: lot of cool guns. And they're all timing out just
[40:31] Speaker 5: in a few hours here. And if you're looking, if
[40:33] Speaker 5: you're picking this up, listening to me on the podcast later,
[40:36] Speaker 5: just make a note on Sunday afternoons and evenings. That's
[40:39] Speaker 5: when the Dury's Guns all time out and the auctions
[40:42] Speaker 5: end and you can make your bids and see what
[40:43] Speaker 5: they're going for. It is that time of year where
[40:46] Speaker 5: a lot of people are already out hunting. Antelope seasons
[40:51] Speaker 5: have opened. Some states are hunting deer and even elk.
[40:56] Speaker 5: Just a thought for you as you're getting ready. Going
[41:00] Speaker 5: out to the range and shooting your rifle off the
[41:04] Speaker 5: bench is important, and you need to make sure it's
[41:07] Speaker 5: still sighted in. But honestly, after you've done that, there's
[41:11] Speaker 5: no point in continuing to shoot off the bench. You've
[41:15] Speaker 5: already established that the gun shoots. Now you need to
[41:18] Speaker 5: work on the shooter, the shoe. And how do you
[41:21] Speaker 5: do that? Well, you stand up and you shoot, or
[41:23] Speaker 5: you kneel down and you shoot, or you sit down
[41:25] Speaker 5: and shoot, or you lay down and shoot, assuming you're
[41:28] Speaker 5: at a place where you can do that, at a
[41:29] Speaker 5: range that allows that. If you can't do that, you
[41:32] Speaker 5: take the gun home, unload it, and practice shooting from
[41:35] Speaker 5: a sitting and a standing and a kneeling and a
[41:37] Speaker 5: prone position. And really work on going from a standing
[41:41] Speaker 5: position If you're walking along and all of a sudden
[41:44] Speaker 5: you see something, you need to get down to a
[41:46] Speaker 5: sitting position and getting the gun off your shoulder, sitting
[41:49] Speaker 5: down and getting the rifle up where you can look
[41:51] Speaker 5: through the scope and see things. Oh, yeah. Quick reminder.
[41:55] Speaker 5: Keep your scope at the lowest setting, the lowest power setting.
[42:00] Speaker 5: If it's a three to nine, leave it on three
[42:01] Speaker 5: all the time. If the animal's far away and you
[42:05] Speaker 5: need more magnification, you have time. You're not going to
[42:07] Speaker 5: spook the animal. But if the animal's close... You want
[42:10] Speaker 5: that wide field of view you get with the lowest
[42:14] Speaker 5: power setting on your scope. So whatever your scope is,
[42:17] Speaker 5: keep it on the lowest power setting all the time
[42:20] Speaker 5: until you need more power where you'll have more time.
[42:23] Speaker 5: You'll have time to do that. I can't imagine anybody
[42:28] Speaker 5: not having a sling on their rifle now, but yeah,
[42:30] Speaker 5: you got to have a sling on your rifle. There's
[42:32] Speaker 5: a cool device called Frankenstud Sling Keeper. Believe it or not,
[42:38] Speaker 5: that's what it's called. Frankenstud Sling Keeper. If you order one,
[42:42] Speaker 5: tell him I sent you. Just, I don't get anything
[42:44] Speaker 5: out of it. He's just, Ted's a cool guy. And
[42:47] Speaker 5: it attaches to the strap, the shoulder strap on your backpack.
[42:53] Speaker 5: And it's basically like a, I don't know, sewing bobbin
[42:55] Speaker 5: or something or spool. And it keeps your rifle sling
[43:00] Speaker 5: from sliding off your shoulder. If you're going up and
[43:03] Speaker 5: down hills or walking, it allows you to take your
[43:06] Speaker 5: hands off the rifle. I have them on a couple
[43:08] Speaker 5: of different packs, and I use them continuously when I'm hunting.
[43:11] Speaker 5: It's called the Frankenstud Sling Keeper. You can just look
[43:14] Speaker 5: for it online. It's a cool thing. So here's your
[43:17] Speaker 5: takeaway is get to the range. Shoot more. Shoot more often. Practice.
[43:23] Speaker 5: Go take a class.
[43:24] Speaker 6: Seriously.
[43:25] Speaker 5: I find that most people who say, yeah, you don't
[43:28] Speaker 5: really need a class are the ones who've never been
[43:30] Speaker 5: to a class. And people who have been to a
[43:32] Speaker 5: real class, multi-day class, they all say, man, that was worthwhile.
[43:36] Speaker 5: I got to go do that again. So who are
[43:38] Speaker 5: you going to listen to? The people who have no
[43:40] Speaker 5: experience or the people who have been there, done that,
[43:43] Speaker 5: and say, yeah, you need to do that. So get
[43:45] Speaker 5: out and shoot more, all right? I'm Tom Gresham. We'll
[43:49] Speaker 5: see you next week.

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