# Off-Air Podcast: The Full Jack Gray Chat

An episode of [The Joel Creasey Show](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1892211318), 15 Sep 2026, 20 min.

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Join Joel as he gets to know Australian musician Jack Gray! They chat about music, movies and Mardi Gras. Joel vents about some of his previous relationships, and Jack reveals what gives him goosebumps. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:00] Speaker 1: Get ready. Yes!
[0:02] Speaker 2: It's Joel Creasy.
[0:04] Speaker 3: Joel Creasy! With The Joel Creasy Show.
[0:11] Speaker 2: Welcome to The Joel Creasy Show podcast. Today I am
[0:14] Speaker 2: joined by just rising star, Aussie singer-songwriter, hailing from Mackay,
[0:21] Speaker 2: but now living in LA, man. Never do that again, Joel.
[0:26] Speaker 2: Jack Gray. He is ever so cool. His new album,
[0:29] Speaker 2: Swimming in Jeans, which I love the title and we
[0:31] Speaker 2: do discuss, is out now. We just cover life and
[0:38] Speaker 2: kind of what it's like going from Mackay and slowly
[0:42] Speaker 2: kind of working your way down the east coast of
[0:44] Speaker 2: Australia and eventually ending up in L.A., recording music and
[0:49] Speaker 2: doing what you love. And after we spoke, he was
[0:52] Speaker 2: off to do a gig in Germany. So it's so
[0:55] Speaker 2: fun to– talk to artists when they're at this point
[0:58] Speaker 2: in their journey. He has worked alongside so many amazing artists,
[1:04] Speaker 2: open for so many amazing artists, and has this new
[1:07] Speaker 2: album out now, which is very, I said to him,
[1:11] Speaker 2: very angsty, which I think he approved of. You know,
[1:16] Speaker 2: me talking music is always a real treat for you,
[1:21] Speaker 2: I imagine, and a treat for Jack Gray. He was divine.
[1:24] Speaker 2: So please enjoy our chat.
[1:26] Speaker 3: This is The Joel Creasy Show.
[1:29] Speaker 2: Jack Gray is here, whose debut album, Swimming in Jeans,
[1:32] Speaker 2: is out right now. Ooh. I love the title because
[1:35] Speaker 2: swimming in jeans is, I've done it, you know, always
[1:39] Speaker 2: by mistake.
[1:40] Speaker 3: Yes. And like after a few drinky poos. Correct.
[1:43] Speaker 2: And it's, it's hard.
[1:44] Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, that's, it's not, it's not necessarily easy.
[1:48] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[1:49] Speaker 3: Of the title.
[1:49] Speaker 2: Is it a literal title?
[1:51] Speaker 3: Well, so, okay.
[1:53] Speaker 1: How I stumbled across that phrase was in a literal sense.
[1:56] Speaker 1: There's a song called swimming in jeans and you meet
[1:58] Speaker 1: this girl, she like jumps in the pool and she's
[2:00] Speaker 1: got her jeans on.
[2:01] Speaker 2: Blah, blah, blah. Yeah.
[2:02] Speaker 1: Uh, but then I just thought that felt really like
[2:05] Speaker 1: sticky and like something that I would want to be like, Oh,
[2:08] Speaker 1: what's that about? And, um, and then when I started
[2:11] Speaker 1: thinking about it, you know, more and more deeply, it,
[2:14] Speaker 1: it kind of sums up the record in a cool
[2:16] Speaker 1: way of like, you're moving and you're, and you've got
[2:18] Speaker 1: all this extra weight on you and you're just trying
[2:19] Speaker 1: to keep your head above water and, A lot of
[2:21] Speaker 1: the songs reflect that. So, yeah, that's swimming in jeans
[2:25] Speaker 1: for you.
[2:26] Speaker 2: Nailed it. I love it. Okay, what do you reckon, Tata?
[2:29] Speaker 2: Swimming in skinny leg jeans or loose leg jeans?
[2:32] Speaker 3: That's a great question. I would say the loose leg.
[2:34] Speaker 1: Kind of the ones that I've been rocking, I feel
[2:36] Speaker 1: like would be tough because there's so much drag.
[2:38] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[2:38] Speaker 1: But your skinny jeans, you're kind of like a little seal,
[2:41] Speaker 1: just like a stylish seal.
[2:43] Speaker 2: Almost like a wetsuit.
[2:44] Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like a wetsuit. Yeah. It keeps you warm.
[2:46] Speaker 2: So you're from Mackay. You were talking to me off air.
[2:50] Speaker 2: Talk me through your, you went Mackay to?
[2:53] Speaker 3: Finished Mackay, finished my school there.
[2:54] Speaker 1: Then I'm the baby of the family. So my sisters
[2:58] Speaker 1: had already moved to Brisbane Sunny Coast and then my
[3:00] Speaker 1: parents wanted to move too.
[3:01] Speaker 3: So they moved to the Sunshine Coast.
[3:03] Speaker 2: Yep.
[3:04] Speaker 1: And I moved to Brisbane. I started studying music there
[3:06] Speaker 1: for a couple of months. But then I ended up
[3:09] Speaker 1: working with a manager and someone who put me in
[3:13] Speaker 1: touch with Warner Music in Sydney. And so I moved
[3:15] Speaker 1: to Sydney, deferred from college after.
[3:17] Speaker 3: Like six months.
[3:18] Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I did three months.
[3:20] Speaker 3: Yeah, right. We didn't make it real far, did we?
[3:22] Speaker 2: No.
[3:22] Speaker 3: It wasn't for us.
[3:24] Speaker 2: Not for us. So you're going further and further south. Yeah,
[3:26] Speaker 2: I just.
[3:26] Speaker 3: Keep making my way down.
[3:27] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[3:28] Speaker 3: Making my way.
[3:28] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[3:31] Speaker 1: Banger what a banger um and yeah so i'm in
[3:34] Speaker 1: sydney for a few years and i i mean there's
[3:36] Speaker 1: just so much to to remember i haven't thought about
[3:39] Speaker 1: this in a minute but um i met my now
[3:41] Speaker 1: management who were my publishing at the time they put
[3:44] Speaker 1: me in songwriting sessions we did the dance for a
[3:46] Speaker 1: little while yeah eventually i moved to la because i
[3:50] Speaker 1: wanted to like explore the songwriting producing part of things
[3:53] Speaker 1: and you know also the artist project but like you
[3:56] Speaker 1: just get into bigger rooms over there it's If you
[3:58] Speaker 1: want to kind of make waves over there, you need
[4:00] Speaker 1: to be in that market. So anyways, I moved over
[4:03] Speaker 1: there and I, yeah, I started plugging away, doing songwriting sessions, producing,
[4:07] Speaker 1: started doing K-pop.
[4:08] Speaker 3: I got into scoring.
[4:10] Speaker 1: Oh, yes.
[4:11] Speaker 2: K-pop?
[4:12] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[4:12] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[4:13] Speaker 3: I mean, who doesn't love a bit of K-pop?
[4:14] Speaker 2: My fiance got me into K-pop. I love K-pop.
[4:16] Speaker 3: Really?
[4:17] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[4:17] Speaker 2: Like I'm a mad black pinks.
[4:19] Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, of course.
[4:20] Speaker 2: Love. So, sorry, what do you mean you got into K-pop?
[4:22] Speaker 2: Did you start listening to K-pop or you were doing K-pop? Doing,
[4:25] Speaker 2: and I guess listening in the process.
[4:27] Speaker 1: But, yeah, so, no, I had a friend, and his
[4:31] Speaker 1: artist name is Yoji Money, but his name is Grant Legend.
[4:34] Speaker 1: And he is well-connected in that scene. And I started
[4:37] Speaker 1: writing with him for my project, but he was like,
[4:39] Speaker 1: if you're interested, I feel like your style of writing
[4:42] Speaker 1: would really suit the K-pop space. And I get these
[4:45] Speaker 1: pitches all the time. It's like, hey, we need a
[4:46] Speaker 1: song for this band that feels like this.
[4:48] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[4:49] Speaker 1: And so we started doing a few of those and
[4:51] Speaker 1: they started getting cut. And we're like, oh, wow, this
[4:53] Speaker 1: might be like, I might be cut out for this.
[4:56] Speaker 3: No pun intended. So I started writing heaps more. And yeah,
[4:59] Speaker 3: that became like a little thing that I do on
[5:01] Speaker 3: and off now.
[5:03] Speaker 2: Wow, that's so cool.
[5:04] Speaker 1: I love it so much because it feels like there's
[5:06] Speaker 1: no rules when making K-pop. It's just whatever feels good
[5:10] Speaker 1: and just whatever vibes. It's like there's no, I don't
[5:13] Speaker 1: have to put myself into a box like, When it's
[5:15] Speaker 1: my artist project, I'm like, I can't say that.
[5:17] Speaker 3: It's weird.
[5:18] Speaker 2: Yes, I know what you mean.
[5:18] Speaker 1: Yeah, it's less about like that and it's more just
[5:21] Speaker 1: whatever feels good. It doesn't even make sense because they
[5:23] Speaker 1: end up changing it to Korean later.
[5:25] Speaker 2: Yeah. I commentated Eurovision for a long time, which I
[5:28] Speaker 2: don't know how across Eurovision you are, but it feels
[5:30] Speaker 2: very similar. Like the more bonkers, the better. Right.
[5:32] Speaker 3: Yeah. That makes a lot of sense. Okay.
[5:34] Speaker 2: So you're doing a bit of K-pop and then you're
[5:36] Speaker 2: now just killing it, basically.
[5:38] Speaker 3: Oh, thank you. I don't know about that.
[5:39] Speaker 1: But we're nice and busy at the moment. But yeah,
[5:43] Speaker 1: I started doing some scoring things. My partner is in
[5:46] Speaker 1: the film world. She grew up on Disney Channel and
[5:49] Speaker 1: now she's, you know, film producer, writer, actor, all the things. Yeah.
[5:54] Speaker 1: So all of my friends are in that world over
[5:56] Speaker 1: there and started, um, scoring some projects through them. And
[5:59] Speaker 1: that's been really, really fun. It's definitely something I want
[6:01] Speaker 1: to like explore a lot deeper, you know, once the
[6:05] Speaker 1: artist stuff chills out a little bit, but, uh, yeah,
[6:09] Speaker 1: just been bit bopping all over the place. The last
[6:11] Speaker 1: few years I've really locked in. I signed to, um,
[6:13] Speaker 1: Island Records and I absolutely love that team. um, Yeah,
[6:17] Speaker 1: I've just been making this album and it's the debut album.
[6:21] Speaker 1: And it took me a while to figure out what
[6:24] Speaker 1: kind of music I wanted to make, what kind of
[6:26] Speaker 1: things I wanted to say and how I wanted to
[6:27] Speaker 1: say it.
[6:28] Speaker 2: Yeah, the debut, it must be pressure because it's kind
[6:30] Speaker 2: of like your first statement.
[6:32] Speaker 1: Yeah, and I didn't want to rush it out either
[6:34] Speaker 1: because I've actually written two other albums that were going
[6:36] Speaker 1: to come out.
[6:37] Speaker 3: But then at the last minute, I was like, wait,
[6:38] Speaker 3: this doesn't feel like me.
[6:39] Speaker 2: Oh, really?
[6:40] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[6:40] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[6:41] Speaker 3: So I kind of didn't want to rush it.
[6:43] Speaker 1: And I'm glad I didn't because, you know, I'm like,
[6:47] Speaker 1: I just, I want to be considered with the stuff
[6:50] Speaker 1: I put out into the world now.
[6:51] Speaker 3: And the older I get, the more I kind of
[6:53] Speaker 3: don't want to just like throw out whatever. Yeah.
[6:55] Speaker 2: I know what you mean. Yes. Yes. Quality over quantity.
[6:58] Speaker 2: And it took me a while to learn that also.
[7:00] Speaker 3: It does. You know, we come around to it in
[7:02] Speaker 3: the end.
[7:02] Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I always, I used to joke that
[7:04] Speaker 2: the N and the O are broken on my keyboard.
[7:08] Speaker 2: Get them fixed.
[7:09] Speaker 3: Literally.
[7:09] Speaker 2: I was listening to Look At You before. Very angsty.
[7:13] Speaker 3: So angsty.
[7:14] Speaker 2: I love anything angsty. Oh, yeah.
[7:17] Speaker 3: I can tell.
[7:19] Speaker 2: Such an angsty man.
[7:20] Speaker 3: Yeah, just sitting over here.
[7:21] Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm full. Like, Jagged Little Pill is the greatest
[7:24] Speaker 2: album of all time.
[7:24] Speaker 3: Of course.
[7:25] Speaker 2: Aside from Swimming In Jeans. Yeah. So the song you sing,
[7:29] Speaker 2: How Can I Love You, if I Can't Even Look
[7:31] Speaker 2: At You, is this you singing? Is this from past experience?
[7:34] Speaker 1: Yeah, this one actually happened to a mate of mine
[7:37] Speaker 1: a few years ago.
[7:38] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
[7:39] Speaker 3: And enough time had passed where we spoke about it.
[7:41] Speaker 3: And he was like, yeah, you can talk about it
[7:42] Speaker 3: in a song.
[7:43] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[7:44] Speaker 3: Thank you very much. This is going to be bad
[7:46] Speaker 3: for you, but great.
[7:47] Speaker 2: No, no, no, no.
[7:48] Speaker 1: But throughout that whole experience, we kind of, I was
[7:52] Speaker 1: there and we, we talked through it a lot because
[7:54] Speaker 1: it's obviously a very heavy thing to happen to someone.
[7:56] Speaker 1: Being cheated on and finding out the way he did.
[8:00] Speaker 3: So, yeah, I sat through a lot of those discussions.
[8:03] Speaker 2: You were the therapist.
[8:04] Speaker 3: Yes, I'm a horrible therapist, but I was there at least.
[8:08] Speaker 3: You know, I listened.
[8:09] Speaker 1: And we all know that feeling of jealousy, and we
[8:12] Speaker 1: can all relate to that, and we've had our own
[8:14] Speaker 1: versions of it.
[8:14] Speaker 2: I'm told, yes.
[8:15] Speaker 3: Yes, I'm told.
[8:18] Speaker 1: And so I kind of, with that song, I just
[8:21] Speaker 1: drew on my personal experiences of feeling that feeling.
[8:23] Speaker 3: And, yeah. and kind of put it into like his
[8:27] Speaker 3: story a little bit. And it's a heavy one.
[8:31] Speaker 2: The Joel Creasy Show. It's bad to say, but sometimes
[8:34] Speaker 2: it was one of those songs and I was listening
[8:35] Speaker 2: to it. I was like, oh, I need to add
[8:37] Speaker 2: this to the playlist. If. I would ever go through
[8:40] Speaker 2: another breakup. Yeah.
[8:42] Speaker 3: I'll save this one for later.
[8:43] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[8:44] Speaker 3: For when I need it.
[8:45] Speaker 2: That's for the playlist in the car when I'm, you know,
[8:47] Speaker 2: heartbroken and on the freeway just belting it out.
[8:49] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[8:50] Speaker 2: With like, you know, a bit of Adele and a
[8:51] Speaker 2: bit of Alanis in there. Yeah.
[8:53] Speaker 1: It's not the perfect song for when you're in a
[8:55] Speaker 1: good mood, you're freshly in love. It's not really the
[8:57] Speaker 1: one for you.
[8:58] Speaker 2: The fact that I– my God. It's been a while.
[9:02] Speaker 2: But I still enjoyed it. So that is testament to
[9:05] Speaker 2: the song. And then Blind Lovin' is on the new
[9:08] Speaker 2: album as well. Yeah. Have you ever been on a
[9:10] Speaker 2: blind date?
[9:12] Speaker 3: Oh, no, I've never been. Have you ever been on
[9:14] Speaker 3: a blind date?
[9:14] Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, actually. And it was to the movies to
[9:18] Speaker 2: see what was the film? Oh, have you heard about
[9:21] Speaker 2: the Morgans? It was a Sarah Jessica Parker vehicle. And
[9:25] Speaker 2: it was terrible. And the guy said, I'm going to
[9:28] Speaker 2: go get some popcorn or a choc top or something.
[9:30] Speaker 3: Don't tell me he didn't come back.
[9:31] Speaker 2: Never came back.
[9:32] Speaker 3: You're kidding me.
[9:32] Speaker 2: And I had to sit through that piece of shit
[9:34] Speaker 2: film on my own.
[9:36] Speaker 3: How far into the movie? How far did he make it?
[9:38] Speaker 2: Oh, like 30 minutes. I was like, greedy guts. Like,
[9:40] Speaker 2: we only just finished the popcorn.
[9:42] Speaker 3: That's brutal.
[9:43] Speaker 2: And it was a terrible film. Wow.
[9:45] Speaker 1: Yeah, that's not good. It wasn't like, you know, The
[9:47] Speaker 1: Odyssey or something cool where you're like, at least it's.
[9:49] Speaker 2: A good movie. No, it was Sarah Jessica Parker and
[9:54] Speaker 2: Hugh Grant. And you've never heard of it because it's
[9:55] Speaker 2: that bad.
[9:56] Speaker 1: Yeah, I was going to say I've never heard of
[9:57] Speaker 1: the movie, but I'm sorry.
[9:59] Speaker 3: That's awful.
[10:00] Speaker 2: Yeah. So you haven't ever, no, yeah, don't do a
[10:02] Speaker 2: blind date.
[10:03] Speaker 1: No, never done a blind date. And that song is
[10:05] Speaker 1: definitely not giving this experience.
[10:08] Speaker 2: Yeah, blind loving.
[10:09] Speaker 3: Yeah, blind loving.
[10:11] Speaker 1: It is about when you're freshly, you've kind of just
[10:14] Speaker 1: met this person, but just instantly you are like, damn,
[10:17] Speaker 1: this could be the one.
[10:18] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[10:18] Speaker 1: And you know that that's pretty irrational because it's so new.
[10:22] Speaker 1: But you're just willing to just dive in headfirst, go
[10:25] Speaker 1: into the situation blindly. And that's always a nice feeling.
[10:28] Speaker 1: It's an intense one, though. But the song, yeah, I
[10:31] Speaker 1: just wanted a fun song that felt really fun to
[10:34] Speaker 1: sing and also just made you feel good.
[10:36] Speaker 2: Yeah, 100%. I also once told someone, I'm oversharing fast.
[10:39] Speaker 3: I love it.
[10:40] Speaker 2: That I love them within like two hours of meeting them. Yeah,
[10:43] Speaker 2: you did.
[10:43] Speaker 3: You've done that?
[10:44] Speaker 2: I can't even remember his name.
[10:45] Speaker 3: Oh, yeah. Well, that sounds about right. What a loser.
[10:50] Speaker 3: It happens. But was it like a casual, like, all right,
[10:52] Speaker 3: love you, bye? Or was it like a- No, it
[10:54] Speaker 3: was like- I love you.
[10:55] Speaker 2: Okay, it gets cringier. I think I prefaced it with,
[10:59] Speaker 2: get ready to vomit. I feel like I've known you forever.
[11:03] Speaker 3: Oh, my God. I was 18 or something, please.
[11:05] Speaker 2: I was 18. I was still living in Perth. I
[11:07] Speaker 2: was on, like, a trip to Sydney.
[11:08] Speaker 3: And it didn't work?
[11:10] Speaker 2: Shock horror.
[11:11] Speaker 1: To my surprise, that didn't go over like I thought
[11:15] Speaker 1: it would.
[11:16] Speaker 2: One of my other favourite lyrics is on your song.
[11:19] Speaker 2: On your song? See, I'm not a muso. No, you're good.
[11:21] Speaker 2: Dumb shit. 17 ketamine evergreen.
[11:25] Speaker 3: Oh, that was, that was, yep.
[11:26] Speaker 2: I know what two of those words mean.
[11:27] Speaker 3: What is ketamine? Oh, I don't even know.
[11:29] Speaker 1: Yeah, it's, I think it's like a, it's like something that,
[11:32] Speaker 1: you know, a feeling you feel when someone does something
[11:34] Speaker 1: nice to you.
[11:34] Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I believe it's, oh, you know,
[11:36] Speaker 2: for the horses. Yeah, for the horses. Yeah.
[11:39] Speaker 1: Just to chill the horses out when they're, when they're
[11:41] Speaker 1: a bit excited.
[11:41] Speaker 2: 100%. Popular around Mardi Gras time.
[11:44] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[11:45] Speaker 2: Yeah. Although it's also fun, all the lyrics, it's all, yeah.
[11:48] Speaker 2: So you've had such a hand in writing. It also
[11:51] Speaker 2: is very, well thought out.
[11:53] Speaker 3: Oh, thank you very much. That's very sweet.
[11:55] Speaker 1: Yeah. I, I definitely, um, spent every day with these
[12:00] Speaker 1: songs for a few years and made a million different
[12:03] Speaker 1: versions of each song. And, um, yeah, I mean, the
[12:06] Speaker 1: beauty of like being a self producer is you can
[12:09] Speaker 1: sit in your bedroom and, um, really explore until you
[12:13] Speaker 1: find the right combination of sounds to go with this song.
[12:15] Speaker 3: And I really did do that.
[12:17] Speaker 2: Well, when do you, okay. So when do you go, okay, enough,
[12:19] Speaker 2: I can't.
[12:20] Speaker 1: I don't, I just, I have to find people I
[12:23] Speaker 1: trust to be like, you're done.
[12:26] Speaker 3: This is out of hand. You are too much.
[12:29] Speaker 2: Yeah, otherwise you'd never leave the room. Yeah. Yeah.
[12:32] Speaker 3: I've got a finishing problem. I know.
[12:35] Speaker 2: I've got the opposite. I'm like, I'll do a, because
[12:38] Speaker 2: I'm a stand-up, I'll dot point out a set list
[12:41] Speaker 2: and then I'll get bored halfway through and I'll be like,
[12:43] Speaker 2: I'll just make the rest up.
[12:44] Speaker 3: Yeah, okay. Well, that's cool that you can just do that, though.
[12:46] Speaker 2: I know. We need to somehow meet in the middle.
[12:48] Speaker 3: Yeah, okay. We'll talk about it later.
[12:50] Speaker 2: One of the first, you supported Fray Sky. She was
[12:52] Speaker 2: one of the first guests I had on the show.
[12:54] Speaker 3: She is incredible, isn't she?
[12:55] Speaker 2: I was like, are you really 16? This is outrageous. Yeah.
[12:59] Speaker 1: It doesn't make much sense that she's so mature and so, yeah,
[13:03] Speaker 1: beyond her years.
[13:04] Speaker 3: It's really disheartening.
[13:05] Speaker 1: I know.
[13:06] Speaker 2: I felt so incompetent.
[13:07] Speaker 3: Well, now I feel like I should just go down
[13:09] Speaker 3: a hole. What am I even doing here? Yeah.
[13:13] Speaker 2: She's so funny and quick. I was like, what is happening?
[13:16] Speaker 2: And then I said, are you really 16? And she
[13:18] Speaker 2: tricked me.
[13:19] Speaker 3: Anyway. She tricked you. Oh, okay. That sounds like you're messy.
[13:22] Speaker 2: Yeah, and I believed her.
[13:23] Speaker 3: Yeah, okay.
[13:24] Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm dumb. So you've been going around Australia.
[13:29] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[13:29] Speaker 2: How have the shows been?
[13:31] Speaker 1: The shows have been incredible. Everyone has been so awesome.
[13:36] Speaker 1: And there's just been so much support and so much love.
[13:38] Speaker 1: And to see everyone like screaming, like a whole room
[13:41] Speaker 1: of people screaming these lyrics back.
[13:42] Speaker 2: What's that like?
[13:44] Speaker 3: Well, it's a bit of a trip. It feels... I
[13:46] Speaker 3: don't know.
[13:47] Speaker 1: It cannot feel very real when you're just in your
[13:49] Speaker 1: room making these songs and you upload them and you
[13:52] Speaker 1: see people online maybe sharing it or saying nice things,
[13:54] Speaker 1: but it doesn't feel real until you're in a room
[13:56] Speaker 1: and everyone's screaming louder than you are with the PA.
[14:01] Speaker 3: It's a trip.
[14:03] Speaker 1: And it gives me goosies. And so anyways, I'm so
[14:06] Speaker 1: grateful that I get to do this and this is
[14:09] Speaker 1: a reality. I don't take it for granted at all, but... Yeah, no,
[14:13] Speaker 1: the shows were incredible. They went very smoothly. I mean,
[14:16] Speaker 1: I was running everything off my little laptop, the lighting show.
[14:20] Speaker 2: Wow, you really are a one-man band.
[14:22] Speaker 3: Oh, I try to be, mate. Well, I couldn't afford
[14:23] Speaker 3: a real one.
[14:25] Speaker 2: No, I've been there.
[14:25] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[14:26] Speaker 2: I've been there.
[14:26] Speaker 1: It's not cheap these days. But one day, hopefully, we
[14:30] Speaker 1: can have a band and do all the bells and whistles.
[14:33] Speaker 1: Thousands of crew.
[14:35] Speaker 3: Yeah. Oh, you know, people to hold the guitar, to
[14:38] Speaker 3: tune it.
[14:38] Speaker 1: Dude, that's the hardest part for me in my sets is, like,
[14:41] Speaker 1: trying to speak while tuning my guitar.
[14:43] Speaker 3: Because there's so much tuning going on between each song.
[14:46] Speaker 2: I don't know anything about... Well, my guitars keep.
[14:50] Speaker 1: Going out of tune, and when I put a caper on,
[14:52] Speaker 1: it kind of throws out the tuning. So I have
[14:54] Speaker 1: to retune it once I've put a caper on to
[14:56] Speaker 1: make the guitar higher.
[14:58] Speaker 2: Oh, that sounds really hard. I literally just talked into
[15:01] Speaker 2: a microphone. That sounds really hard.
[15:02] Speaker 3: No, no, it's fine. You get used to it. But me,
[15:05] Speaker 3: the big dumb idiot.
[15:07] Speaker 1: I left my tuner, like it's all set up to
[15:08] Speaker 1: my rig, which is like not near the microphone. So
[15:11] Speaker 1: between every song, I like walk over to this thing
[15:13] Speaker 1: and I'm trying to tune, but my microphone's over there.
[15:16] Speaker 1: So I just have to like yell at everyone. I'm
[15:17] Speaker 1: just screaming at everyone. I was like, who's this guy
[15:20] Speaker 1: yelling at us?
[15:21] Speaker 2: But they're loving it. They're yelling your lyrics.
[15:24] Speaker 3: No, it's great. It's fine. We love this. It's kind
[15:27] Speaker 3: of fine.
[15:27] Speaker 1: I take my ears out and I can like, you know,
[15:29] Speaker 1: just be with everyone in the room and it feels
[15:31] Speaker 1: really like just a bunch of friends hanging out.
[15:33] Speaker 2: Yeah. So where are you going after this to, you know,
[15:37] Speaker 2: to show off Swimming in Jeans, which is excellent, by
[15:40] Speaker 2: the way. Thank you so much.
[15:41] Speaker 3: You're very sweet. Off to Germany. We're going to play
[15:43] Speaker 3: this festival called Reeperbahn.
[15:45] Speaker 2: What a cool sentence to say.
[15:46] Speaker 3: Off to Germany.
[15:47] Speaker 2: I know.
[15:47] Speaker 3: It's so fun. So lucky. But yeah, it's off to
[15:50] Speaker 3: Hamburg playing this festival called Reeperbahn.
[15:52] Speaker 2: Nice.
[15:53] Speaker 3: There's a few little shows there.
[15:54] Speaker 1: And then back to North America for a tour with
[15:58] Speaker 1: one of my favorite bands. They're a new up and
[15:59] Speaker 1: coming band, but they're called In Colour.
[16:01] Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
[16:03] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[16:04] Speaker 2: Yeah. They come across my desk the other day. Right.
[16:06] Speaker 2: I was talking about them. Yes.
[16:08] Speaker 1: Yeah, they're incredible. They just make such cool music. And
[16:12] Speaker 1: so it's a couple of shows in North America on
[16:15] Speaker 1: the West Coast. And then I'm home for a little
[16:18] Speaker 1: bit in L.A. writing for the next record.
[16:21] Speaker 2: Right. Okay, so we're not going to see you for
[16:22] Speaker 2: a while because you're a perfectionist and you're going to
[16:24] Speaker 2: be in your room.
[16:24] Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, for the next five years.
[16:25] Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
[16:27] Speaker 3: So hi and bye.
[16:28] Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
[16:29] Speaker 1: No, I definitely will not be taking a long time
[16:31] Speaker 1: to make the next one. I'm already, like, a couple
[16:33] Speaker 1: of songs into it.
[16:34] Speaker 2: You match fit now.
[16:35] Speaker 3: Yeah. We're rehearsed. We're like a well-oiled machine now. We're
[16:40] Speaker 3: just churning them out.
[16:41] Speaker 2: Yeah. Who are your, like, inspirations growing up? Like, who
[16:44] Speaker 2: did you love?
[16:46] Speaker 3: I've watched so many different people. That's good.
[16:48] Speaker 2: I like it when people have a, because mine are
[16:51] Speaker 2: very obvious. Like, I don't know if you can tell.
[16:54] Speaker 1: Oh, yes, yes.
[16:55] Speaker 2: She doesn't look like that. That Kylie Barbie is such
[16:58] Speaker 2: a terrible, terrible interpretation of Kylie.
[17:01] Speaker 3: That's awesome. And who's this smoking gentleman right here in
[17:04] Speaker 3: Men's Health?
[17:05] Speaker 2: Oh, I know, but I don't know why that they
[17:07] Speaker 2: put the before on there. I'm like, thanks. Cool. I'm
[17:10] Speaker 2: glad it's grayed out. Um, yeah, like that, that's kind
[17:13] Speaker 2: of the before that.
[17:14] Speaker 3: Um, yeah.
[17:15] Speaker 2: Who are yours?
[17:16] Speaker 3: Um, okay.
[17:17] Speaker 1: So, uh, as a child, you know, my, uh, my
[17:20] Speaker 1: parents were into like eighties glam rock stuff, Bon Jovi, Kiss,
[17:24] Speaker 1: Motley Crue, all of the fun stuff. So I kind
[17:27] Speaker 1: of grew up around a lot of that. Um, but
[17:29] Speaker 1: I also loved a lot of country music being from
[17:31] Speaker 1: up in Mackay. And so like Buzz Me Maroo and, um, Oh,
[17:35] Speaker 1: and then when I got to high school, I started
[17:37] Speaker 1: to get more into like indie bands, like ballpark music
[17:39] Speaker 1: and the San Cisco and stuff like that. Um, and
[17:43] Speaker 1: then since then, it's been just so many things have
[17:45] Speaker 1: come and gone. So many phases of like favorite bands,
[17:48] Speaker 1: like the 1975 for me, we were a big one.
[17:50] Speaker 1: Oh yeah.
[17:50] Speaker 3: Bonova, Frank Ocean, Dominic Fike.
[17:54] Speaker 1: Um, Oh, but obviously these stuff like the Beatles that
[17:58] Speaker 1: you grow up just hearing it, you can just respect
[18:00] Speaker 1: how amazing that music is.
[18:01] Speaker 2: And the nostalgia of it all.
[18:03] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[18:04] Speaker 1: Um, bit of Ray Charles and Bill Withers, all the
[18:06] Speaker 1: old classics, but just a bit of everything, dude.
[18:09] Speaker 2: Right.
[18:09] Speaker 3: I don't know.
[18:10] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[18:11] Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. Well, you're killing it. Congratulations. Swimming in
[18:13] Speaker 2: Chains is out now. It is fantastic. It's such a
[18:15] Speaker 2: great listen.
[18:16] Speaker 3: It's so sweet.
[18:17] Speaker 2: The lyrics are, yeah, there's some brilliant lyrics in there
[18:21] Speaker 2: and enjoy.
[18:23] Speaker 3: Oh, stop yourself.
[18:24] Speaker 2: Thank you.
[18:24] Speaker 3: I will.
[18:25] Speaker 2: That is a kill. I'm jealous. And yeah, I always
[18:29] Speaker 2: say I cannot wait to forget the little people. But yeah,
[18:32] Speaker 2: forget the little people. But, you know, don't forget me.
[18:34] Speaker 3: No, never. How could I?
[18:36] Speaker 1: You should just come to Germany with us and have
[18:38] Speaker 1: some big beers and some wieners.
[18:40] Speaker 2: The last time I was in Germany was Berlin. And
[18:43] Speaker 2: I don't need to tell you how that turned out.
[18:45] Speaker 3: Yeah, I've heard.
[18:46] Speaker 1: You see, I've spent a little bit of time in Berlin,
[18:47] Speaker 1: but only like passing through on tour. And I've heard
[18:50] Speaker 1: it gets pretty crazy.
[18:51] Speaker 2: I've been to Berghain. Oh, stop. This is one of
[18:54] Speaker 2: my good advice. Walk straight in. Like I had to queue,
[18:58] Speaker 2: but I wasn't like, stop, don't come in.
[19:00] Speaker 3: Just right this way, sir.
[19:01] Speaker 2: I know. How rock and roll. Nothing as cool as
[19:03] Speaker 2: that has ever happened again.
[19:04] Speaker 3: I mean, I'm kind of like nervous now around you.
[19:07] Speaker 2: No pressure.
[19:07] Speaker 3: I don't know how to act.
[19:08] Speaker 2: Well, you go try Berghain and then get back to me.
[19:10] Speaker 2: I will.
[19:10] Speaker 1: If you can't get in, I'll give you some tips.
[19:12] Speaker 1: I probably won't be able to get in. I'll be like,
[19:13] Speaker 1: who's this guy? You're fine.
[19:15] Speaker 2: Congratulations.
[19:16] Speaker 3: Thank you so much. You're the best.
[19:17] Speaker 2: Thanks. The Joel Creasy Show is done. But Joel's got
[19:23] Speaker 2: plenty more to say.
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