# 嘻嘻哈哈叮叮当当 A podcast by Dingding、Xixi. 我们是魔都一线双语幼儿园管理者，30+中女，也是两个男孩的妈妈。我们会作为教育者与养育者双重身份与你讨论，不回避争论和分歧，一起找到0-6岁不费妈的养育方式。 我们不希望这档播客会过于正式或者沉重，需要你腾出时间、聚精会神地去聆听。 我们希望这是你开车或者洗澡刷牙的时候的背景音节目。真诚、轻松、不带来焦虑。或者就是分享我们的焦虑于是你就不焦虑了。 每周二更新。 热烈欢迎和期待与不同的观点讨论。 我们俩的观点对于我们自己而言只是信息茧房中极小的一个切面，而你们，我们的听众，才是真正的世界一隅。 Feed: https://feed.xyzfm.space/lkt4g6376cqc ## Latest episodes - [空心童年：当玩耍从孩子的世界消失 055.](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1886621929/ebfd1ebc31e3) (2026-10-26, 75 min): audio https://dts-api.xiaoyuzhoufm.com/track/68cb6f2b020852f2fdd2b83c/6adacbc197726cd467566017/media.xyzcdn.net/68cb6f2b020852f2fdd2b83c/lrUtHz5Q4tCVCq-uTVg5lX1ixpHa.m4a - [【随机掉落｜加更】关于快乐教育，再多说两句 001](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1886621929/3a62ab41c6f7) (2026-10-25, 10 min): audio https://dts-api.xiaoyuzhoufm.com/track/68cb6f2b020852f2fdd2b83c/6ade1783c96c8942ec120af6/media.xyzcdn.net/68cb6f2b020852f2fdd2b83c/lrCPm9tcl89vye6NABvuNJLB_Cqr.m4a - [半夜找纸筒，学校活动为了啥？054.](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1886621929/acf977cd4223) (2026-10-19, 49 min): audio https://dts-api.xiaoyuzhoufm.com/track/68cb6f2b020852f2fdd2b83c/6ad0ae06641ef406308c2b06/media.xyzcdn.net/68cb6f2b020852f2fdd2b83c/lp1kjlESa0UHufpNjp9iJ7lJVULq.m4a - [发了脾气，还是不是好妈妈？.053.](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1886621929/fa460bfac11b) (2026-10-12, 43 min): audio https://dts-api.xiaoyuzhoufm.com/track/68cb6f2b020852f2fdd2b83c/6ac90689195d838e2aef6e55/media.xyzcdn.net/68cb6f2b020852f2fdd2b83c/lhBF_oPSnEeBuTZlUjWY3BSkoX_E.m4a - [一周年：从谁会听我们聊天，到想和你见一面.052.](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1886621929/094ce1be6b5d) (2026-10-05, 33 min): audio https://dts-api.xiaoyuzhoufm.com/track/68cb6f2b020852f2fdd2b83c/6ab2aafff04646b3a9559f29/media.xyzcdn.net/68cb6f2b020852f2fdd2b83c/lvCUuAB46hK5QTph16Lu7hY6zgD3.m4a - [妈妈，你会死吗？孩子的大问题，怎么回答.051.](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1886621929/8b7a6018c93b) (2026-09-28, 40 min): audio https://dts-api.xiaoyuzhoufm.com/track/68cb6f2b020852f2fdd2b83c/6ab295ef93d5eb3bdc7969b3/media.xyzcdn.net/68cb6f2b020852f2fdd2b83c/ls50dX3yOCk9B8mQc2p7PWay8KhI.m4a - [050. 混龄社交：除了费妈没毛病](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1886621929/b681423b4183) (2026-09-21, 42 min): audio https://dts-api.xiaoyuzhoufm.com/track/68cb6f2b020852f2fdd2b83c/6aaa44699d326477816a009a/media.xyzcdn.net/68cb6f2b020852f2fdd2b83c/llHPYDDBfplZAmI-1VvcTSStjXtF.m4a - [049. 没有标准答案，也能做一个足够好的父母](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1886621929/a2ba5f8c7311) (2026-09-14, 60 min): audio https://dts-api.xiaoyuzhoufm.com/track/68cb6f2b020852f2fdd2b83c/6aa7fd5f129fe965d33274ee/media.xyzcdn.net/68cb6f2b020852f2fdd2b83c/lqprZc4P1UlP1hr0UpMTVv20x7Pm.m4a - [048. 入园哭了三天：孩子难受，大人别先崩](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1886621929/c79649159225) (2026-09-07, 38 min): audio https://dts-api.xiaoyuzhoufm.com/track/68cb6f2b020852f2fdd2b83c/6a9ee626a0210c197dcf16ce/media.xyzcdn.net/68cb6f2b020852f2fdd2b83c/lrDVrFEjWwUyp7PB6SvVtCptxfMi.m4a - [047. 睡前一百遍上厕所：孩子到底为什么不睡？](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1886621929/dfefef622656) (2026-08-31, 40 min): audio https://dts-api.xiaoyuzhoufm.com/track/68cb6f2b020852f2fdd2b83c/6a8c6c711352af56ff3b6175/media.xyzcdn.net/68cb6f2b020852f2fdd2b83c/lmPwCfhZlRl74_UQG9VMfTgf7Lb_.m4a - [046. 爱车车恐龙汪汪队？兴趣怎么拓展成识字、数学和英文？](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1886621929/5fbe763c4062) (2026-08-24, 50 min): audio https://dts-api.xiaoyuzhoufm.com/track/68cb6f2b020852f2fdd2b83c/6a856d62ef65145dfcc1ff5c/media.xyzcdn.net/68cb6f2b020852f2fdd2b83c/lgxpPA1kWlFVnGgc72E87kJoKo5O.m4a - [045. 孩子不刷牙、不睡觉、不起床：一日日常，专治鸡飞狗跳](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1886621929/3aebd40500f6) (2026-08-17, 34 min): audio https://dts-api.xiaoyuzhoufm.com/track/68cb6f2b020852f2fdd2b83c/6a7a8df936641f136d86501b/media.xyzcdn.net/68cb6f2b020852f2fdd2b83c/liw2uSCim-eC-0KYKOcGSkQsJuGg.m4a - [044. 小男孩的"高领毛衣"：包皮是割，还是不割？](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1886621929/4a9fb7fc1d46) (2026-08-10, 48 min): audio https://dts-api.xiaoyuzhoufm.com/track/68cb6f2b020852f2fdd2b83c/6a71ea06ab3a91c24a0fc2cc/media.xyzcdn.net/68cb6f2b020852f2fdd2b83c/lh-MyC9zJrlcjZGxNvWUJG1b3fdt.m4a - [043. 王虹、北大和discouraged：学会找路，可能才是成长的意义](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1886621929/b24ac4d813a5) (2026-08-03, 48 min): audio https://dts-api.xiaoyuzhoufm.com/track/68cb6f2b020852f2fdd2b83c/6a6ff94dab3a91c24a0ec305/media.xyzcdn.net/68cb6f2b020852f2fdd2b83c/lrBq0hpSU017mFq9ui6KoOIzxdKI.m4a - [042. 坐不住爱冲动：是A娃吗？先做他的“外挂前额叶”](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1886621929/7345e1e2e1a1) (2026-07-27, 76 min): audio https://dts-api.xiaoyuzhoufm.com/track/68cb6f2b020852f2fdd2b83c/6a662e196356eb2d9be8c3b8/media.xyzcdn.net/68cb6f2b020852f2fdd2b83c/lu28c7wTyJisvF6UVsmD0Um-MsMx.m4a - [041. 英语启蒙5岁零基础还来得及吗？最实操的一期答疑](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1886621929/2d3e36c475a3) (2026-07-20, 55 min): audio https://dts-api.xiaoyuzhoufm.com/track/68cb6f2b020852f2fdd2b83c/6a574cf9a4972c496dfc3e3a/media.xyzcdn.net/68cb6f2b020852f2fdd2b83c/ltkTmKrNB87Xo8qprtPQfF4r-P-o.m4a - [040. 体制内、民办、国际化：孩子到底该走哪条路？](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1886621929/775aa02f9dd8) (2026-07-13, 25 min): audio https://dts-api.xiaoyuzhoufm.com/track/68cb6f2b020852f2fdd2b83c/6a3e34fa9d2f5743683e3db0/media.xyzcdn.net/68cb6f2b020852f2fdd2b83c/lk58Q2Kv6lqmK_2I2RDMIlzIIN5j.m4a - [039. 说好的帮忙带娃，为什么我更累了？](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1886621929/7811e934dfe1) (2026-07-06, 52 min): audio https://dts-api.xiaoyuzhoufm.com/track/68cb6f2b020852f2fdd2b83c/6a3cca2c2e335a35a809255a/media.xyzcdn.net/68cb6f2b020852f2fdd2b83c/llg-rIi1tfy6haR_hqusSQ0ty4Q0.m4a - [038. 奖励会毁掉孩子的内驱力吗？小红花、零花钱到底怎么用](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1886621929/e854e494df12) (2026-06-29, 47 min): audio https://dts-api.xiaoyuzhoufm.com/track/68cb6f2b020852f2fdd2b83c/6a38d79475ba9e0c53373870/media.xyzcdn.net/68cb6f2b020852f2fdd2b83c/liwALSJfLhX6IIEAK9F757V71FR3.m4a - [037. 孩子被欺负了，要不要教他打回去？](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1886621929/5b39b83565f3) (2026-06-22, 46 min): audio https://dts-api.xiaoyuzhoufm.com/track/68cb6f2b020852f2fdd2b83c/6a33bd9e4233e62bc54bff0f/media.xyzcdn.net/68cb6f2b020852f2fdd2b83c/luWwUmjDGl_HATCdW78x4i0tdRZ7.m4a - [036. 从北大UCL跨界一线带娃：热爱是最好的事业](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1886621929/4353485e927f) (2026-06-15, 103 min): audio https://dts-api.xiaoyuzhoufm.com/track/68cb6f2b020852f2fdd2b83c/6a2f5bb14233e62bc549e413/media.xyzcdn.net/68cb6f2b020852f2fdd2b83c/lhDxajnMqDhiS33XxGLdt03gHekg.m4a - [035. 入托入园孩子大哭父母焦虑，一线老师和你聊分离焦虑那些事](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1886621929/43a7a69b9206) (2026-06-08, 42 min): audio https://dts-api.xiaoyuzhoufm.com/track/68cb6f2b020852f2fdd2b83c/6a1659d151c9db109e8ca543/media.xyzcdn.net/68cb6f2b020852f2fdd2b83c/lnDo7V7HQKYWeBaAJi3ltBMoWjay.m4a - [034. 为什么我们不敢管孩子：爱与自由，温柔与坚定怎么都不管用？](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1886621929/ee166470c21e) (2026-06-01, 55 min): audio https://dts-api.xiaoyuzhoufm.com/track/68cb6f2b020852f2fdd2b83c/6a1516f28b5c94538eb743da/media.xyzcdn.net/68cb6f2b020852f2fdd2b83c/lkNPrlBFFXsXw0-ij4POH0kVXm1k.m4a - [033. 孩子叛逆总说“不”：如何用脑科学引导“小叛逆”？](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1886621929/1ce2b993e057) (2026-05-25, 38 min): audio https://dts-api.xiaoyuzhoufm.com/track/68cb6f2b020852f2fdd2b83c/6a131b01e59ebca936377e84/media.xyzcdn.net/68cb6f2b020852f2fdd2b83c/lgK8hzOqpRr1KCKzd4829lLRSmWH.m4a - [032. 英文启蒙避坑：为什么砸钱报班、猛攻自然拼读可能是错的？](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1886621929/5ccc521b3f13) (2026-05-18, 54 min): audio https://dts-api.xiaoyuzhoufm.com/track/68cb6f2b020852f2fdd2b83c/6a05fa6d1b7bd502952aee64/media.xyzcdn.net/68cb6f2b020852f2fdd2b83c/lpcSUBbE7BOBV8kocxdKR_n1eO5_.m4a - [031. 老师来电话了，我说什么？把老师定位成你的带娃合伙人](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1886621929/d4bb255c5ee1) (2026-05-11, 54 min): audio https://dts-api.xiaoyuzhoufm.com/track/68cb6f2b020852f2fdd2b83c/69ef0ece1e94ae69214271fb/media.xyzcdn.net/68cb6f2b020852f2fdd2b83c/li8HgTbd-l5ABZKDVeFpFp9qspWk.m4a - [030. 用脑科学和6秒拥抱拯救“慢半拍”的娃](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1886621929/c7c114ddac35) (2026-05-04, 46 min): audio https://dts-api.xiaoyuzhoufm.com/track/68cb6f2b020852f2fdd2b83c/69eb16601d989496e7678782/media.xyzcdn.net/68cb6f2b020852f2fdd2b83c/lnVp_5KmEhAESrqYuUxqLB0teQTW.m4a - [029. 关于二胎，我为什么又生了一个？放下完美执念才能拥抱不确定性](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1886621929/4dfa24a5e89d) (2026-04-27, 60 min): audio https://dts-api.xiaoyuzhoufm.com/track/68cb6f2b020852f2fdd2b83c/69ddfb5ab977fb2c47e82f37/media.xyzcdn.net/68cb6f2b020852f2fdd2b83c/lm9JIqgWPkgueoSORAeabOimpgg6.m4a - [028. 孩子吃饭老大难：我们喂的是饭还是焦虑？怎么养出好好吃饭的娃？](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1886621929/2eae775a4bf4) (2026-04-20, 53 min): audio https://dts-api.xiaoyuzhoufm.com/track/68cb6f2b020852f2fdd2b83c/69dbb2f8e2c8be315505ce44/media.xyzcdn.net/68cb6f2b020852f2fdd2b83c/llsgKKSdWsp0nazl5yy9zeTDoFnU.m4a - [027.课后班怎么选？](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1886621929/b3a3ee734757) (2026-04-13, 36 min): audio https://dts-api.xiaoyuzhoufm.com/track/68cb6f2b020852f2fdd2b83c/69afd486f3a96904386d9986/media.xyzcdn.net/68cb6f2b020852f2fdd2b83c/lu4e9pdc9GEXi2dukSQwCSMWf9_o.m4a - [026. 从虎妈到兔妈「无论结果如何我都爱你」才是最强育儿法](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1886621929/f64e0f008c7f) (2026-04-06, 45 min): audio https://dts-api.xiaoyuzhoufm.com/track/68cb6f2b020852f2fdd2b83c/69ac51a85b2d0ed069d600e8/media.xyzcdn.net/68cb6f2b020852f2fdd2b83c/lq1hCr0ZwjYVe9vL2POAAwfQzQAv.m4a - [025. 从多巴胺陷阱到高质量屏幕的家庭实操：娃到底能不能看电子产品？看什么？多久？几岁等等问题](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1886621929/b696604b0b9c) (2026-03-30, 44 min): audio https://dts-api.xiaoyuzhoufm.com/track/68cb6f2b020852f2fdd2b83c/69a5263e66e2c30377f47221/media.xyzcdn.net/68cb6f2b020852f2fdd2b83c/luRDkbhNJR0C_yLxQ9brIAcHgahg.m4a - [024.「原生家庭」不是个好词！但爱才是最重要的啊！](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1886621929/204802f066a3) (2026-03-23, 40 min): audio https://dts-api.xiaoyuzhoufm.com/track/68cb6f2b020852f2fdd2b83c/69a1c462a22480add65b3cb8/media.xyzcdn.net/68cb6f2b020852f2fdd2b83c/lmLniJcqlND0zASx5tMKy17NB19l.m4a - [023. 数学启蒙买什么？从黑白卡到百数表，哪些是神器哪些是智商税？](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1886621929/f37f5d7c7cb1) (2026-03-16, 50 min): audio https://dts-api.xiaoyuzhoufm.com/track/68cb6f2b020852f2fdd2b83c/699c478ba22480add6cd917b/media.xyzcdn.net/68cb6f2b020852f2fdd2b83c/lk9VmXWHZT5l3DqzF23UjNSDPQeo.m4a - [022. 快乐教育是正确的废话？托班佛系的家长，为什么小学后集体破防焦虑？](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1886621929/1f595559263e) (2026-03-09, 45 min): audio https://dts-api.xiaoyuzhoufm.com/track/68cb6f2b020852f2fdd2b83c/699c3e90de29766da93fae5d/media.xyzcdn.net/68cb6f2b020852f2fdd2b83c/lj-HGQswW7uXZWHrjfRh2haCvpwx.m4a - [021 孩子很“聪明”但没后劲？AI时代真正需要的是什么能力？](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1886621929/a8c7dadc4c4f) (2026-03-02, 35 min): audio https://dts-api.xiaoyuzhoufm.com/track/68cb6f2b020852f2fdd2b83c/69830a32c78b823892a31eef/media.xyzcdn.net/68cb6f2b020852f2fdd2b83c/lpBMv4lHR82w6KWIV_cWW5mknOng.m4a - [020 蒙氏幼儿园大揭秘：为什么我们总在考察错误的东西？](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1886621929/9601f8c27fb3) (2026-02-23, 49 min): audio https://dts-api.xiaoyuzhoufm.com/track/68cb6f2b020852f2fdd2b83c/6982f48370aae7e9678bbf38/media.xyzcdn.net/68cb6f2b020852f2fdd2b83c/lmd8adfZzPp7FzRqOdqnvRNWiDie.m4a - [019. 不鸡娃的孩子会输在起跑线上吗？放下天才执念，看见真实完整的孩子](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1886621929/cadfe7ea96cb) (2026-02-16, 99 min): audio https://dts-api.xiaoyuzhoufm.com/track/68cb6f2b020852f2fdd2b83c/698c98f7a22480add6bfc715/media.xyzcdn.net/68cb6f2b020852f2fdd2b83c/liGptMfaMHY4eE8r7hmUQ16G8BHE.m4a - [018. 蒙特梭利=做家务？如何培养独立而自由的孩子](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1886621929/8522e045c93c) (2026-02-09, 49 min): audio https://dts-api.xiaoyuzhoufm.com/track/68cb6f2b020852f2fdd2b83c/6981bff44980bf3c7c36f2de/media.xyzcdn.net/68cb6f2b020852f2fdd2b83c/llIaDpJWSiNhQEXakpRJ6d4ILJNI.m4a - 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