# Family Dynamics | EP 14

An episode of [Love Trapped](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1878220033), 26 Jun 2026, 42 min.

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Everyone wants to know where Laura’s parents, Ronn Owens and Jan Black, stand in all of this. What do they know? Are they truly supporting her? A veteran Bay Area reporter who’s interviewed the family gives us a closer look at those dynamics. Plus, the foreclosure on the family's Scottsdale home is taking a new turn, some of the content creators are dealing with a frustrating situation, and we have a quick update from TEDx. On Monday, June 29, 2026, we should know if Laura is taking the latest plea deal offer. We’ll be back soon with the latest updates on Laura’s criminal case in Arizona, as it unfolds in real time. For exclusive content, follow us on Instagram @glasspodcasts. If you would like to reach out to the Loved Trapped team or have a similar story to share, email us at lovetrappedpod@gmail.com. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:02] Speaker 1: Laura's new plea deal expires on the day this episode
[0:05] Speaker 1: comes out, Friday, June twenty sixth, but we likely won't
[0:09] Speaker 1: have an answer until Monday, June twenty ninth. As we wait,
[0:13] Speaker 1: I want to catch you up on what's been happening
[0:15] Speaker 1: over the past six weeks outside of Laura's criminal proceedings. First,
[0:21] Speaker 1: I spoke with the journalist who's been in touch with
[0:23] Speaker 1: the Owens family.
[0:24] Speaker 2: We believe our daughter, then we believe her. Now we
[0:27] Speaker 2: stood by her, then we stand by her now.
[0:31] Speaker 1: Then we have an update on the Owen's family home
[0:34] Speaker 1: foreclosure and their bankruptcy filings.
[0:37] Speaker 3: Their adult daughter, who has autism, also resides at the property.
[0:41] Speaker 3: Displacement from this property would cause severe disruption to a
[0:44] Speaker 3: household organized entirely around the medical needs of an elderly,
[0:49] Speaker 3: seriously ill resident.
[0:52] Speaker 1: Plus, it seems like Laura's been staying active online.
[0:56] Speaker 4: We have received a privacy complaint regarding your content. Upon
[0:58] Speaker 4: an analysis of your claim, we have removed the content
[1:01] Speaker 4: in question.
[1:09] Speaker 1: I'm Stephanie Young and this is love trapped.
[1:14] Speaker 5: There's no way you'd better believe.
[1:21] Speaker 6: I'll be raising Holy helm Us if you ever, ever, ever, ever.
[1:31] Speaker 1: Trashic since the podcast dropped. There is one topic everyone
[1:43] Speaker 1: seems particularly interested in Laura's parents, Ron Owens and Jan Black.
[1:49] Speaker 1: How much do they actually know do they support Laura.
[1:54] Speaker 1: To find out, I turned to longtime Bay Area reporter
[1:57] Speaker 1: Martha Ross. She first reached out to Ron and Jan
[2:00] Speaker 1: back in January of twenty twenty five.
[2:04] Speaker 2: I saw a Facebook post from a friend of theirs,
[2:07] Speaker 2: a former KGO colleague, who was talking about this go
[2:10] Speaker 2: fundme for Ron Owens, and I thought this is really
[2:13] Speaker 2: startling news, given Ron's stature in the Bay Area and
[2:18] Speaker 2: an assumption that given his forty years at KGO, that
[2:22] Speaker 2: he was probably pretty well off and why would he
[2:24] Speaker 2: need to go fund me? But I also know he
[2:27] Speaker 2: was very beloved in the community, so I emailed them.
[2:31] Speaker 1: On December thirty first, twenty twenty four, a gofund me
[2:35] Speaker 1: campaign was launched for Ron Owens. Keep in mind the
[2:38] Speaker 1: timeline here. This was nearly six months after the Arizona
[2:42] Speaker 1: Family Court had already ruled on Laura and Clayton's paternity case.
[2:46] Speaker 1: But when Martha first reached out to Ron and Jan
[2:49] Speaker 1: she didn't know that yet. As a veteran San Francisco reporter,
[2:53] Speaker 1: she was simply trying to find out more about the
[2:56] Speaker 1: fundraiser for a legendary local broadcaster.
[2:59] Speaker 2: They talked to about the insurance they had didn't quite
[3:02] Speaker 2: cover all their medical expenses, and I was sympathetic to that.
[3:06] Speaker 2: I think we've all heard of that being the reality
[3:08] Speaker 2: for many people, so it made sense to me.
[3:12] Speaker 1: Ron's GoFundMe is still active online. It lays out a
[3:16] Speaker 1: long list of severe health challenges. We've had a section
[3:19] Speaker 1: of the GoFundMe page read by a voice actor.
[3:22] Speaker 3: Ron is facing profound challenges. After living with Parkinson's disease
[3:27] Speaker 3: for twenty three years, his health battles have intensified. He
[3:31] Speaker 3: has courageously faced not only Parkinson's, but also four bouts
[3:35] Speaker 3: of cancer, most recently colon cancer, and serious heart issues.
[3:40] Speaker 3: These medical struggles have taken a toll, both physically and financially,
[3:44] Speaker 3: on the man who has been a pillar of strength
[3:46] Speaker 3: for so many.
[3:49] Speaker 1: At the time I'm recording this, the GoFundMe for Ron
[3:52] Speaker 1: has raised over one hundred and thirty six thousand dollars.
[3:55] Speaker 1: But to put those numbers in perspective, Ron and Jan
[3:58] Speaker 1: filed for bankruptcy life last year, where they reported an
[4:02] Speaker 1: income of about twenty one thousand dollars per month. That
[4:06] Speaker 1: contrast has fueled intense online speculation that the crowdsource funds
[4:10] Speaker 1: are potentially being used to cover Laura's legal fees. I
[4:14] Speaker 1: obtained a copy of an email sent to past donors
[4:17] Speaker 1: of the GoFundMe. The subject line reads a message from Ron.
[4:21] Speaker 1: We've had an excerpt read by a voice actor.
[4:25] Speaker 7: Life has continued to test me Parkinson's four bouts of cancer,
[4:29] Speaker 7: serious heart and mobility issues, and the ongoing financial strain.
[4:34] Speaker 7: On top of all this, our family is now facing
[4:37] Speaker 7: another heartbreaking chapter with the recent politically motivated indictment of
[4:41] Speaker 7: my daughter Laura. This stems from a legitimate paternity claim
[4:46] Speaker 7: she filed a couple of years ago against a former
[4:48] Speaker 7: reality TV star. Laura was pregnant at the time and
[4:52] Speaker 7: tragically suffered a miscarriage. What's been especially painful is that
[4:57] Speaker 7: the man she filed the claim against publicly denied she
[4:59] Speaker 7: was ever pregnant, and shockingly convinced a judge to question
[5:03] Speaker 7: the verified medical records, photographs, and video documentation that Laura
[5:08] Speaker 7: had submitted. Watching her personal tragedy dismissed and twisted has
[5:13] Speaker 7: been gut wrenching and to see it further monetized and
[5:17] Speaker 7: distorted by online content creators has made it worse. That said,
[5:22] Speaker 7: I want to be completely clear, the gofund me was
[5:25] Speaker 7: created solely to support.
[5:27] Speaker 3: Me and my needs.
[5:28] Speaker 7: None of these funds have been or will be used
[5:32] Speaker 7: for Laura's legal expenses.
[5:36] Speaker 1: Back in January twenty twenty five, Bay Aerial reporter Martha
[5:40] Speaker 1: Ross began working on a story about Ron Owens and
[5:43] Speaker 1: his fundraiser. At the time, Martha didn't know anything about
[5:47] Speaker 1: the paternity scandal. During her first interview with Ron and Jan,
[5:51] Speaker 1: she was surprised when they began steering the conversation to
[5:53] Speaker 1: a different topic. Their daughter, Laura.
[5:57] Speaker 2: Jan did a lot of the talking, but Ron would
[6:00] Speaker 2: interject every once in a while. During that conversation, they
[6:03] Speaker 2: also told me a lot of other things about how
[6:06] Speaker 2: a lot of their financial struggles were because they felt
[6:09] Speaker 2: like there was this internet smear campaign against them and
[6:13] Speaker 2: it was affecting some of their businesses. Then they opened
[6:16] Speaker 2: up about how Laura had gotten into this situation with
[6:19] Speaker 2: Clayton eckered The Bachelor, and I didn't know anything about
[6:23] Speaker 2: The Bachelor. I haven't followed that show, and I also
[6:26] Speaker 2: didn't know about this online community of YouTubers who were
[6:29] Speaker 2: following this, so it was all news to me.
[6:32] Speaker 1: Soon Martha began to investigate. There was one claim in
[6:36] Speaker 1: particular that caught her attention.
[6:39] Speaker 2: They brought up those allegations that are part of the
[6:41] Speaker 2: public record that Laura was lured into an encounter.
[6:45] Speaker 1: They were referring to the highly serious and unproven allegation
[6:49] Speaker 1: that Greg Gillespie and his attorney Greg Woodnick somehow conspired
[6:53] Speaker 1: to have Laura sexually assaulted. You heard about that in
[6:57] Speaker 1: episode five.
[6:59] Speaker 2: They both said that there was a FBI profiler that
[7:03] Speaker 2: Ron had interviewed was aware of the situation, and Ron said,
[7:07] Speaker 2: I believe it. I totally believe it.
[7:09] Speaker 1: Towards the end of that initial call, Laura joined the conversation.
[7:13] Speaker 2: They started telling me about Laura's situation with Clayton and
[7:17] Speaker 2: that she had these issues with these other men. There
[7:20] Speaker 2: was legal case and protective orders and things like that.
[7:24] Speaker 2: I said, you know, maybe this is something I could
[7:26] Speaker 2: follow up in the future.
[7:29] Speaker 1: And Martha did exactly that. Less than a week later,
[7:32] Speaker 1: she was on a call with Laura. I asked Marthough
[7:35] Speaker 1: whether Laura was still sticking to the narrative that she
[7:38] Speaker 1: was pregnant with Clayton's twins.
[7:41] Speaker 2: Yes, she was. She was sticking to the story that
[7:43] Speaker 2: she had the medical evidence and Ron and Jan were
[7:47] Speaker 2: supporting her.
[7:50] Speaker 1: Martha still had unanswered questions, so she circled back to
[7:53] Speaker 1: Ron and Jan for a second interview.
[7:56] Speaker 2: I was just trying to get some more information from
[7:59] Speaker 2: their perspective this whole case, as I was still learning more.
[8:03] Speaker 2: Jan again did most of the talking, but Ron, when
[8:05] Speaker 2: he spoke, he made it very clear that they support
[8:08] Speaker 2: her and they believe that she was pregnant, and that
[8:11] Speaker 2: they also support her pursuing court cases against these men,
[8:16] Speaker 2: that she was right to do it.
[8:18] Speaker 1: That's when the conversation took a turn and they brought
[8:20] Speaker 1: up the online community.
[8:22] Speaker 2: They both referred to the Clayton cult and they thought
[8:25] Speaker 2: that Clayton had been trying to organize people against them.
[8:29] Speaker 2: Jan said that this smear campaign against them. She said,
[8:33] Speaker 2: it's been horrific. Well, Ron said, it's made it difficult
[8:36] Speaker 2: for us to live our lives. And Jan said, the
[8:39] Speaker 2: thing is, our daughter got pregnant by the guy who
[8:41] Speaker 2: was a bachelor who first didn't believe she was pregnant,
[8:44] Speaker 2: and Jan said he had a really bad reputation was
[8:47] Speaker 2: using the situation to quote resurrect his image. They spoke
[8:51] Speaker 2: out against podcasters and content creators. Jan said they have
[8:55] Speaker 2: quote seized on this story to make one hour shows.
[9:00] Speaker 1: Martha also pressed Jan on the pattern of behavior at
[9:03] Speaker 1: the core of this entire saga, the fact that Laura
[9:06] Speaker 1: had claimed pregnancies by three different men and had restraining
[9:10] Speaker 1: orders involving each of them.
[9:12] Speaker 2: Jan said she didn't think it was quote that unusual
[9:15] Speaker 2: unquote for a woman in her early thirties to quote
[9:18] Speaker 2: have been pregnant, you know, with three different men, and
[9:20] Speaker 2: to have protective orders against them. She also said she
[9:24] Speaker 2: and her husband believe quote all the information unquote that
[9:28] Speaker 2: their daughter and her attorneys have presented in the courts.
[9:36] Speaker 1: Since those initial conversations, Martha's been reporting on the story
[9:40] Speaker 1: for The Mercury News. In May twenty twenty six, she
[9:44] Speaker 1: sent a new list of questions to the Owens family.
[9:48] Speaker 2: I reached out to them via email letting them know
[9:50] Speaker 2: that I was working on a story about the role
[9:52] Speaker 2: that they've played in supporting Laura throughout her pregnancy claims
[9:55] Speaker 2: in court actions. I sent a list of questions asking
[9:59] Speaker 2: lor if she maintained you Pregnant by Mike, greg and Clayton.
[10:02] Speaker 2: I asked about the plea bargain, whether Laura was considering it,
[10:05] Speaker 2: whether they were concerned about a prison sentence, and so on, and.
[10:09] Speaker 1: A few days later Martha got a twenty three page response.
[10:14] Speaker 2: They sent back a response. It came from Jan's email
[10:18] Speaker 2: and it was signed by Ron and Jan.
[10:20] Speaker 1: This makes Martha one of the only people in the
[10:22] Speaker 1: media who's heard from Ron and Jan since the podcast began.
[10:26] Speaker 1: I want to walk you through what they said.
[10:29] Speaker 2: The response began, We want to express concern about the
[10:32] Speaker 2: framing of many of the questions being posed. A significant
[10:35] Speaker 2: number of them contain embedded messages, assumptions, and language that
[10:39] Speaker 2: appear to adopt narratives promoted online and in the podcast
[10:43] Speaker 2: Love Trapped, rather than approaching these matters from a neutral
[10:46] Speaker 2: or investigative standpoint.
[10:49] Speaker 1: One of Martha's questions directly addressed our show. She asked,
[10:53] Speaker 1: quote with the podcast Love Trapped, Ron and Jan have
[10:57] Speaker 1: come under scrutiny about the role they played in publicly
[11:00] Speaker 1: supporting Laura's pregnancy claims and court actions against Maruccini, Gillespie,
[11:05] Speaker 1: and Eckert. Do Ron and Jan want to comment on
[11:08] Speaker 1: the podcast.
[11:10] Speaker 2: They said Love Trapped never contacted us directly. We've lived
[11:14] Speaker 2: the story with Laura in real time, know the truth,
[11:16] Speaker 2: and have no interest in hearing a fictionalized account of
[11:19] Speaker 2: what happened. I Jan reached out to the production twice
[11:24] Speaker 2: in emails to producer Stephanie Young in August twenty twenty five,
[11:27] Speaker 2: offering to provide my account. I never received any response
[11:32] Speaker 2: to me. No response equals no interest in telling our
[11:36] Speaker 2: side of the story.
[11:38] Speaker 1: I need to interject here first, as you heard in
[11:42] Speaker 1: episode twelve, I have no record of communications from Jan
[11:45] Speaker 1: Black in my company or personal inbox. In fact, when
[11:51] Speaker 1: our team asked Laura if we could speak with her mother, Jan,
[11:54] Speaker 1: we got a reply back stating that because Jan is
[11:57] Speaker 1: listed as a witness in the criminal proceedings, she can't
[12:00] Speaker 1: speak on the record. We continued extending the offer via
[12:05] Speaker 1: email to Laura for her or her family to participate
[12:09] Speaker 1: in an interview, but they were unresponsive. Second, the phrasing
[12:14] Speaker 1: in Jan's response gave me deja vus. We know that
[12:17] Speaker 1: Laura often uses the word equals in the same way
[12:21] Speaker 1: as this typed response from Jan, like in an email
[12:24] Speaker 1: Laura sent to Clayton on September fifth, twenty twenty three,
[12:28] Speaker 1: Laura said, quote, just confirming that you are refusing a
[12:31] Speaker 1: paternity test. No answer equals refusing it. This was the
[12:36] Speaker 1: rest of Jan's response to Martha about Love Trapped.
[12:41] Speaker 2: Based on what we've seen in episode transcripts, damaging specific
[12:45] Speaker 2: allegations about us and our family were made to an
[12:48] Speaker 2: international podcast audience without any attempt to get our input.
[12:53] Speaker 2: That is not journalism.
[12:56] Speaker 1: This actually sounds a lot like what Laura wrote and
[12:58] Speaker 1: her final email to me when I requested her comment
[13:01] Speaker 1: for the podcast. Laura wrote back saying, quote, what this
[13:05] Speaker 1: production has done to us knowingly, with the record in hand,
[13:09] Speaker 1: and with every opportunity to correct it is not journalism.
[13:17] Speaker 1: Martha's next set of questions addressed Laura's relationship with Mike Marriuccini.
[13:22] Speaker 2: I asked, did Laura and Ron offer Mike the chance
[13:24] Speaker 2: of a radio career by having him record a podcast
[13:27] Speaker 2: a millennial dating? Did Ron tell Mike he could earn
[13:30] Speaker 2: up two hundred and fifty thousand dollars a year, and
[13:33] Speaker 2: their response was no, No offer was made, no contract existed,
[13:37] Speaker 2: no payment was ever discussed. That would have been an
[13:40] Speaker 2: incredibly high salary for someone new to the industry. An
[13:44] Speaker 2: industry veteran like Ron would never have made such an offer.
[13:48] Speaker 1: From there, Martha questioned Laura's ongoing pursuit of the domestic
[13:52] Speaker 1: violence restraining order against Mike, even though they lived seven
[13:55] Speaker 1: hundred miles apart and haven't had contact for years.
[13:59] Speaker 2: I asked, do you support her continuing to pursue this
[14:03] Speaker 2: and their response was, quote, most abusers deny being abusive
[14:08] Speaker 2: in the court system. The dismissal of the DVRO extension
[14:11] Speaker 2: had nothing to do with the merits of the case
[14:13] Speaker 2: in Mike's public conduct before and since that dismissal independently
[14:18] Speaker 2: warrants protection.
[14:20] Speaker 1: And as far as Laura's criminal case in Arizona goes,
[14:23] Speaker 1: it doesn't sound like they are willing to share any
[14:25] Speaker 1: information on.
[14:26] Speaker 2: Matters involving Laura's criminal case, any potential plea deal, the
[14:30] Speaker 2: possibility of a prison term. They referred those questions to
[14:34] Speaker 2: Laura's criminal defense attorney.
[14:37] Speaker 1: One of the biggest questions Martha threw with them was
[14:40] Speaker 1: about accountability.
[14:42] Speaker 2: I also asked, quote, what do Laura, Ron or Jan
[14:45] Speaker 2: say to people who have accused Laura of abusing the
[14:48] Speaker 2: court system taking up time and resources that could go
[14:51] Speaker 2: to victims and making it difficult for women to be
[14:53] Speaker 2: believed when they come forward with abuse allegations. They said,
[14:57] Speaker 2: it has been painful for her to pursue these cases,
[14:59] Speaker 2: and she has been very brave in doing so. It
[15:02] Speaker 2: would have been easy for her to remain quiet. The
[15:05] Speaker 2: suggestion that she has abused the court system ignores both
[15:08] Speaker 2: the facts and the actual outcomes of multiple legal proceedings
[15:12] Speaker 2: across nearly a decade.
[15:15] Speaker 1: And finally, Martha asked Ron and Jane question that I
[15:19] Speaker 1: think we've all been wanting an answer to. She asked, quote,
[15:24] Speaker 1: given everything lost financially over the past several years and
[15:28] Speaker 1: the emotional toll from the investigation, bankruptcy filings, and media scrutiny,
[15:33] Speaker 1: would Ron or jan have wanted to do anything differently?
[15:36] Speaker 2: They said, No, we believe our daughter. Then, we believe
[15:40] Speaker 2: her now We stood by her. Then, we stand by
[15:43] Speaker 2: her now we love her and it's been profoundly painful
[15:46] Speaker 2: to see her be the target of an effort to
[15:48] Speaker 2: destroy every aspect of her life. We continue to be
[15:52] Speaker 2: an aunt of her courage.
[16:07] Speaker 1: In the past few weeks, there have been some important
[16:09] Speaker 1: updates on the Owens family finances and bankruptcy filings. It
[16:14] Speaker 1: might seem technical, but the documents filed in the public
[16:17] Speaker 1: record give us an insight into their unique family dynamic.
[16:21] Speaker 1: And luckily, the recordings of these hearings are available on YouTube.
[16:26] Speaker 1: Let's start with Laura. As you know, in December twenty
[16:30] Speaker 1: twenty five, Laura Owens filed for bankruptcy. Five months later,
[16:35] Speaker 1: all parties agreed to dismiss the case. That was bad
[16:38] Speaker 1: news for her. It means the case is dismissed, not
[16:42] Speaker 1: her debts. Laura still owes her creditors, including roughly two
[16:46] Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars to Clayton Eckered. While the dismissal was
[16:50] Speaker 1: largely expected given the mutual agreement, nothing was official until
[16:54] Speaker 1: May fourteenth. That happened to be Laura's thirty sixth birthday,
[16:59] Speaker 1: and she spent part of it dialing into her bankruptcy
[17:01] Speaker 1: court hearing.
[17:03] Speaker 5: Okay, I'm going to ask for appearances in the Laura
[17:06] Speaker 5: Owns case. I'm going to start in the courtroom.
[17:08] Speaker 6: Please, good afternoon, your honor. Jennifer g i'ma on behalf
[17:11] Speaker 6: of the United States trustee.
[17:13] Speaker 8: Thank you.
[17:14] Speaker 1: Jennifer Giamo is the Department of Justice Attorney assigned to
[17:17] Speaker 1: Laura's case. If her name sounds familiar, it's because you
[17:21] Speaker 1: might remember her from one of Laura's previous bankruptcy hearings
[17:24] Speaker 1: in February.
[17:26] Speaker 9: How old you?
[17:27] Speaker 6: I'm thirty five, so thirty five years you have never
[17:31] Speaker 6: had made any income on your own to your own bills.
[17:36] Speaker 1: The hearing continued, and the list of people in attendance
[17:39] Speaker 1: only grew from there.
[17:41] Speaker 5: Is there anybody else who wants to make an appearance.
[17:43] Speaker 3: Your honor?
[17:44] Speaker 10: This is Christian Leaders. I am Mitzleen's attorney in her
[17:47] Speaker 10: criminal matter in the Americopa County case. I'm not making
[17:52] Speaker 10: an official appearance in this case. I don't think I'm
[17:54] Speaker 10: standing to do so. I'm not a bankruptcy attorney, and
[17:56] Speaker 10: I'm not representing her in that matter. I'm here only
[17:59] Speaker 10: for informational pose.
[18:00] Speaker 11: Who's old?
[18:01] Speaker 1: Christian Looters is the new criminal defense attorney that you've
[18:04] Speaker 1: already heard about him? Calling into this bankruptcy hearing seems
[18:08] Speaker 1: like a sign of a proactive attorney. He's likely trying
[18:12] Speaker 1: to monitor all Laura's ongoing legal matters, even those falling
[18:15] Speaker 1: outside the scope of her criminal case.
[18:18] Speaker 5: I do understand that I also have several people that
[18:21] Speaker 5: are listening in and not making an appearance today, and
[18:24] Speaker 5: I understand that's because this debtor has been in.
[18:29] Speaker 2: The news and also on social media.
[18:32] Speaker 1: From there, all parties, including Laura, officially agreed to dismiss
[18:37] Speaker 1: her bankruptcy filing. The whole hearing lasted about six minutes
[18:41] Speaker 1: and it ended with the judge signing the dismissal order.
[18:45] Speaker 5: I find good cause to approve the emotion and the
[18:49] Speaker 5: agreements that are set forth inner they're in that would
[18:52] Speaker 5: bar the refiling of a bankruptcy case for one year,
[18:57] Speaker 5: and I will sign the order thank you for for.
[19:01] Speaker 1: The next year. She can't file for bankruptcy again, and
[19:05] Speaker 1: the people who Laura owes money to, including Clayton, can
[19:09] Speaker 1: try to collect from her, but as we heard in
[19:11] Speaker 1: episode twelve, it's hard to collect from someone who appears
[19:15] Speaker 1: to have no personal assets. As for Ron and Jan's bankruptcy,
[19:21] Speaker 1: it's not quite as simple. There's a lot of technical jargon,
[19:24] Speaker 1: but it's worth explaining because it shows a pattern last
[19:28] Speaker 1: minute appeals, hail Mary, attempts, escalating medical crises, and seemingly
[19:33] Speaker 1: small clerical errors that are used to buy time. Laura's parents,
[19:38] Speaker 1: Ron Owens and Jan Black filed for bankruptcy in August
[19:41] Speaker 1: twenty twenty five. Because they failed to comply with the court.
[19:45] Speaker 1: That filing was dismissed this past January. Their debts, however,
[19:49] Speaker 1: remained fully intact. Martha Ross, the San Francisco journalist you
[19:54] Speaker 1: heard from earlier, asked Ron and Jan about their finances.
[19:57] Speaker 1: Their answer came in that twenty three page response she
[20:00] Speaker 1: received in early May.
[20:02] Speaker 2: I actually didn't specifically ask about the bankruptcy because that
[20:06] Speaker 2: seemed like it was in the past. But I did
[20:09] Speaker 2: ask about the foreclosure on their home in the upcoming auction.
[20:13] Speaker 1: As you might remember, Ron and Jan's home in Scottsdale
[20:16] Speaker 1: was set to be sold in a foreclosure auction. On
[20:19] Speaker 1: May twenty sixth, twenty twenty six, Martha asked them about
[20:23] Speaker 1: the upcoming foreclosure sale.
[20:25] Speaker 2: Their response was we're taking steps to avoid it, and
[20:29] Speaker 2: that's all they said.
[20:31] Speaker 1: On Friday night, May twenty second, four days before the auction,
[20:36] Speaker 1: I was out to dinner celebrating my best friend's birthday
[20:39] Speaker 1: when you guessed it, my phone started blowing up. The
[20:43] Speaker 1: first text came in at seven to ten pm from
[20:45] Speaker 1: Schnitze Ninja. It said Ron and Jan filed for bankruptcy
[20:50] Speaker 1: again getting details now, I'm admittedly not a bankruptcy expert,
[20:56] Speaker 1: so once again I turned to Tiffany Robertson, better known
[20:58] Speaker 1: in the community as Big tiff Dog. Tiffany recently retired
[21:03] Speaker 1: from a career in the financial services industry and has
[21:06] Speaker 1: been part of the online community tracking the Laura Owen's case.
[21:10] Speaker 12: Ron and Jant filed a last minute Chapter eleven petition
[21:15] Speaker 12: in the Arizona Bankruptcy Court on May twenty second, at
[21:21] Speaker 12: like three point thirty pm.
[21:23] Speaker 1: Their first filing was a Chapter thirteen, which is essentially
[21:26] Speaker 1: a payment plan for people trying to catch up on
[21:28] Speaker 1: bills or save their house from foreclosure. But this new
[21:32] Speaker 1: filing is a Chapter eleven that's a more complex process
[21:36] Speaker 1: built for businesses and high debt individuals.
[21:40] Speaker 12: It's extremely complex, like it definitely shouldn't be done without
[21:44] Speaker 12: an attorney.
[21:45] Speaker 1: But in this filing, Ron and Jann are representing themselves
[21:49] Speaker 1: and a familiar name has been added to the docket.
[21:52] Speaker 12: We saw that Jennifer Jammo almost immediately we filed an
[21:56] Speaker 12: appearance in this case.
[21:59] Speaker 1: Jennifer Giamo, the Department of Justice attorney previously involved in
[22:02] Speaker 1: Laura's bankruptcy is also assigned to this filing. This could
[22:07] Speaker 1: be a coincidence, but one thing is for sure. Miss
[22:11] Speaker 1: Giamo is already quite familiar with the nuances of the
[22:14] Speaker 1: Owens family finances, and based on what I've heard about
[22:18] Speaker 1: Jennifer Giamo, She's not going to let inconsistency slide. I
[22:24] Speaker 1: also couldn't help but wonder if Ron and Jan filed
[22:27] Speaker 1: for bankruptcy again to try and delay the auction of
[22:30] Speaker 1: their home. Luckily, the answer came just days later. On
[22:34] Speaker 1: June fourth, twenty twenty six, Ron and Jan requested an
[22:38] Speaker 1: extension to file their bankruptcy paperwork. Here's an excerpt from
[22:42] Speaker 1: that filing read by a voice actor.
[22:45] Speaker 3: On May twenty second, twenty twenty six, debtors filed a
[22:48] Speaker 3: voluntary Chapter eleven petition on an emergency basis without counsel,
[22:53] Speaker 3: to preserve the automatic stay and prevent the non judicial
[22:56] Speaker 3: foreclosure sale of their primary residence, which was scheduled to
[23:00] Speaker 3: proceed on May twenty six, twenty twenty six. The petition
[23:04] Speaker 3: was filed in good faith and for no purpose other
[23:07] Speaker 3: than the protection of debtor's home.
[23:09] Speaker 1: Ron and Jan were clearly worried that this new bankruptcy
[23:12] Speaker 1: filing wouldn't protect their home, leaving it vulnerable to being
[23:16] Speaker 1: put back on the auction block. This time, they have
[23:20] Speaker 1: a few medical explanations for why the house shouldn't be sold.
[23:25] Speaker 3: The property has been specifically adapted to accommodate the medical
[23:29] Speaker 3: needs of Ronald Owens, who is eighty years old, has
[23:32] Speaker 3: lived with Parkinson's disease for twenty five years, has survived
[23:36] Speaker 3: four separate bouts of cancer, carries a cancer diagnosis, and
[23:40] Speaker 3: has serious heart disease. Elizabeth Ann Naylor, aged sixty nine,
[23:45] Speaker 3: is his primary caregiver and provides daily medical care, medication management,
[23:50] Speaker 3: and physical assistance.
[23:52] Speaker 1: Elizabeth Naylor is Jan Black's legal name. That's a story
[23:57] Speaker 1: for another day.
[24:00] Speaker 3: Their adult daughter, who has autism, also resides at the property.
[24:05] Speaker 3: Displacement from this property would cause severe disruption to a
[24:08] Speaker 3: household organized entirely around the medical needs of an elderly,
[24:13] Speaker 3: seriously ill resident.
[24:21] Speaker 1: Because of their refiling, the Owens family home was protected
[24:24] Speaker 1: from foreclosure action at least until June twenty first, twenty
[24:28] Speaker 1: twenty six, ron and Jan requested an emergency bankruptcy hearing
[24:33] Speaker 1: to address their main concern being able to protect their
[24:36] Speaker 1: assets specifically their home. That hearing happened on June eighteenth,
[24:42] Speaker 1: just a week before this episode's release, and I don't
[24:45] Speaker 1: think it went the way Ron and Jan were hoping
[24:47] Speaker 1: it would.
[24:48] Speaker 9: Mss Naylor and mister Owens, this is your emergency motion
[24:51] Speaker 9: to extend the automatic stay in this case. It's your
[24:54] Speaker 9: burden to prove that this case was filed in good faith,
[24:57] Speaker 9: and you have to have clear and convincing EVI.
[25:01] Speaker 1: The primary thing the court is looking for is what
[25:04] Speaker 1: circumstances changed between when Ron and Jan's first bankruptcy case
[25:08] Speaker 1: was dismissed and the filing of their new case. It
[25:12] Speaker 1: seemed to the judge that their income had remained the same.
[25:16] Speaker 1: The judge had questions for Ron and Jan about what
[25:19] Speaker 1: brought them back into bankruptcy court. Jan starts to answer,
[25:23] Speaker 1: and the judge interrupts.
[25:25] Speaker 11: Her, Well, the prior thirteen was dismissed not because we
[25:30] Speaker 11: abandoned it, but because our attorney didn't act when I
[25:34] Speaker 11: asked him to in writing, Well.
[25:35] Speaker 9: Let me just stop and interrupt you there, because I've
[25:38] Speaker 9: reviewed the papers filed in the prior case, and the
[25:41] Speaker 9: reason your case was dismissed is because you did not
[25:45] Speaker 9: turn over to the trustee tax returns and because your
[25:49] Speaker 9: plan payments were delinquent. So whatever may have happened with
[25:53] Speaker 9: your attorney, you know that I don't know what happened there,
[25:57] Speaker 9: but filing your taxes and turning over for your returns
[26:01] Speaker 9: and paying your plan payments are all within your control.
[26:05] Speaker 4: Correct.
[26:07] Speaker 1: Jan tried to explain to the judge why their tax
[26:09] Speaker 1: returns weren't filed and why their payments were delinquent.
[26:13] Speaker 11: As far as the plan payment is concerned, we had
[26:17] Speaker 11: some major unexpected expenses that could not be put off.
[26:22] Speaker 11: We had major storm damage and clean up that had
[26:25] Speaker 11: been required, and we had septic tank issues, and we
[26:28] Speaker 11: had car repair issues, and I the money had to
[26:32] Speaker 11: go into those things. From you know, from an emergency
[26:38] Speaker 11: crisis standpoint, going forward, we would anticipate that the amount
[26:47] Speaker 11: of income that we have that is guaranteed, the twenty
[26:50] Speaker 11: one thousand dollars a month income that is guaranteed under
[26:53] Speaker 11: our Social Security and pension benefits, would be enough to
[26:57] Speaker 11: get us to give us the restar that we need here.
[27:02] Speaker 1: Then the judge asked to hear from Jennifer Giamo, the
[27:06] Speaker 1: attorney representing the US Trustee. Miss Giomo was audibly frustrated
[27:11] Speaker 1: with Ron and Jan's excuses.
[27:13] Speaker 6: I would argue that you have sufficient grounds before you
[27:17] Speaker 6: right now to deny this motion, because, as you're under
[27:21] Speaker 6: pointed out, there is no clear and convincing evidence. There's
[27:24] Speaker 6: no evidence at all in this case that there's been
[27:27] Speaker 6: a change of circumstances. And I think that by allowing
[27:30] Speaker 6: this case to continue, and giving these debtors an opportunity,
[27:33] Speaker 6: even a short one, to try to file new schedules
[27:37] Speaker 6: that might have again more misrepresentations, all we're doing is
[27:40] Speaker 6: postponing the inevitable and allowing these debtors to continue abusing
[27:45] Speaker 6: the system.
[27:46] Speaker 2: And that's what this is. Thank you, eron.
[27:49] Speaker 1: But before the hearing ended, Ron and Jen were asked
[27:52] Speaker 1: about the GoFundMe. This was Jan's response to.
[27:55] Speaker 11: The judge, If your honor, I imagine this has to
[27:59] Speaker 11: do with the snaredham which has been going on against
[28:01] Speaker 11: our family for the last three years. A GoFundMe was
[28:05] Speaker 11: set up for on behalf of my husband by friends,
[28:14] Speaker 11: and that was set up in December of twenty twenty four,
[28:18] Speaker 11: and it was set up at that time in an
[28:20] Speaker 11: effort to try to help us prevent the bankruptcy situation.
[28:28] Speaker 1: Jennifer Giamo jumped in.
[28:30] Speaker 6: Jarnor, may I if I can just intervene here real quick.
[28:33] Speaker 6: I think what the issue is is that there was
[28:35] Speaker 6: a go fundme set up in the name of mister
[28:38] Speaker 6: and missus Owens, and I think there was over one
[28:40] Speaker 6: hundred thousand dollars generated and that was never disclosed in
[28:43] Speaker 6: the chapter thirteen or in this case.
[28:45] Speaker 9: That's what the issue is.
[28:48] Speaker 1: I hate having to say this, but once again, the
[28:52] Speaker 1: hearing was continued and no decision was made, but the
[28:56] Speaker 1: judge wants to see Ron and jan again very soon.
[29:00] Speaker 9: July first, at two pm we'll resume this hearing. The
[29:03] Speaker 9: court will impose a temporary stay. This hearing is concluded.
[29:07] Speaker 8: Thank you.
[29:21] Speaker 1: I haven't heard from Laura Owens in the past few weeks.
[29:25] Speaker 1: It's been quiet, but that's not true for everyone. I
[29:29] Speaker 1: recently checked in with some of the content creators who've
[29:31] Speaker 1: been following this story from the beginning, and it turns
[29:34] Speaker 1: out many of them are experiencing something frustrating. Knowing that
[29:40] Speaker 1: listeners were eager for more context and different perspectives reality,
[29:44] Speaker 1: Steve decided to release a video of himself reading the
[29:47] Speaker 1: emails Laura had sent him.
[29:49] Speaker 4: My emails with her were only from September of twenty
[29:52] Speaker 4: twenty three through January of twenty twenty four, and I
[29:55] Speaker 4: read my responses to all of them, and I was like,
[29:57] Speaker 4: let me just do a YouTube video and put it
[29:59] Speaker 4: out and how people watch it.
[30:02] Speaker 1: It took him over two hours to read through the
[30:04] Speaker 1: emails and share his commentary, which he then uploaded to YouTube.
[30:09] Speaker 4: And about three days after I did it, I got
[30:13] Speaker 4: an email from YouTube Legal Support that said I've had
[30:18] Speaker 4: a privacy complaint filed against me. Then it talked about
[30:22] Speaker 4: videos are not allowed to have any visuals of anybody
[30:26] Speaker 4: or dosing any of that, and I was just like,
[30:29] Speaker 4: outside of Laura's email address, that was the only thing
[30:32] Speaker 4: I didn't blur out.
[30:35] Speaker 1: Two days later, he received an email from YouTube stating
[30:38] Speaker 1: that his video had been deactivated. With the help of
[30:41] Speaker 1: the online community, he meticulously reviewed the footage to identify
[30:46] Speaker 1: what might have triggered the privacy complaint.
[30:49] Speaker 4: It reposted the video like three weeks later, with everything
[30:51] Speaker 4: blurred out that needed to be blurred out. I got
[30:54] Speaker 4: the same exact formal email that I got after the
[30:56] Speaker 4: first video went up five seventeen PM on May twenty
[31:00] Speaker 4: is when I got the second complaint filed against me.
[31:03] Speaker 4: It was generic and the time stamps were exactly the
[31:06] Speaker 4: same as almost like they cut and pasted their first email.
[31:09] Speaker 4: Nothing was different.
[31:10] Speaker 1: Reality, Steve wasn't the only creator hit with the privacy
[31:13] Speaker 1: complaint on May twentieth. Schnitzel Ninja received one as well.
[31:18] Speaker 13: So after the hearing that was on May twentieth, a
[31:21] Speaker 13: complex case management conference, sometime later that day, I received
[31:26] Speaker 13: an email that said a privacy complaint had been made
[31:29] Speaker 13: against my entire YouTube channel and they give you forty
[31:33] Speaker 13: eight hours to edit or remove the information that was
[31:39] Speaker 13: complained about.
[31:41] Speaker 1: Schnitzel Ninja was no stranger to YouTube's flagging system. In
[31:45] Speaker 1: late twenty twenty three, six of her videos featuring court
[31:48] Speaker 1: recordings were hit with privacy complaints. However, after she made
[31:53] Speaker 1: the necessary adjustments, YouTube took no further action.
[31:57] Speaker 13: In my research and from prior report worts that have
[32:00] Speaker 13: been made, you have to be the subject of the
[32:03] Speaker 13: content in order to file the complaint a privacy complaint. Specifically,
[32:08] Speaker 13: in order to be a privacy complaint and to report
[32:11] Speaker 13: the whole channel, that person would have to be in
[32:15] Speaker 13: all of the content on the channel, and so the
[32:19] Speaker 13: only person who is likely in all of the content
[32:24] Speaker 13: on my channel is Laura herself.
[32:27] Speaker 1: Schnitzel Ninja's content has also faced copyright challenges. A compilation
[32:31] Speaker 1: video she uploaded of Laura falling during horse competitions received
[32:36] Speaker 1: two copyright removal requests.
[32:38] Speaker 13: For those it gives contact information and it also gives
[32:42] Speaker 13: you the complaint that was made. So the first one
[32:45] Speaker 13: had Laura's email address and her complaint.
[32:48] Speaker 1: And the second one had her mom's name on it,
[32:51] Speaker 1: but Laura's email address was listed under contact info. As
[32:56] Speaker 1: I mentioned, when it comes to privacy complaints, YouTube rarely
[33:00] Speaker 1: specifies exactly what triggers a violation. They are frustratingly unclear.
[33:05] Speaker 1: Even after Reality Steve edited his video to address potential issues,
[33:10] Speaker 1: he was still hit with the second complaint.
[33:13] Speaker 4: What did I violate saying Laura Owen's name than every
[33:16] Speaker 4: single video that's been made on Laura Owens for the
[33:18] Speaker 4: last three years would be getting taken down like this
[33:21] Speaker 4: is what I don't understand.
[33:24] Speaker 1: It was even more frustrating for Schnitzel Ninja, who didn't
[33:27] Speaker 1: just get a video flag, but had her whole channel
[33:31] Speaker 1: reported because the complaint is so broad Schnitzel Ninja is
[33:35] Speaker 1: having a hard time trying to pinpoint what the actual
[33:38] Speaker 1: issue is.
[33:39] Speaker 13: I do want to comply with the rules is I
[33:42] Speaker 13: think everyone should, But when it's a blanket complaint like this,
[33:47] Speaker 13: it doesn't leave the content creator any room to try
[33:49] Speaker 13: to make a change other than which is what I'm
[33:52] Speaker 13: assuming she would prefer, is that the channel just all
[33:55] Speaker 13: of the content be gone and the channel not exists anymore.
[33:59] Speaker 13: I understand that she may not like what's on there,
[34:02] Speaker 13: but the majority of my channel is covering public information,
[34:08] Speaker 13: court videos, court documents, police body cam, police calls, all
[34:13] Speaker 13: things that have been properly obtained through all of the
[34:16] Speaker 13: legal channels. And therefore, as a content creator, how do
[34:21] Speaker 13: you even go about remedying this complaint.
[34:27] Speaker 1: Both Schnitzel Ninja and Reality Steve submitted responses to dispute
[34:32] Speaker 1: the privacy complaints from May twentieth.
[34:34] Speaker 4: This time I responded, and I just made it clear like,
[34:38] Speaker 4: this is a woman involved in a public case in Arizona.
[34:40] Speaker 4: Here's the case number. I'm allowed to talk about a
[34:43] Speaker 4: public case. And these were her emails to me, And
[34:48] Speaker 4: two days later got a response saying, your video has
[34:52] Speaker 4: been taken down again, and I'm like, Okay, well, I'm
[34:53] Speaker 4: just giving up at this point. And I can't prove
[34:57] Speaker 4: this is from Laura, but I assume it is because
[34:59] Speaker 4: we know she listens to and watches everything reality.
[35:03] Speaker 1: Steve was obviously annoyed about his video getting pulled, but
[35:07] Speaker 1: that wasn't even the biggest pain point for him.
[35:10] Speaker 4: It's just frustrating more than anything, because this was her
[35:14] Speaker 4: telling me her side of the story, and kind of
[35:16] Speaker 4: what I said in my video was like, the one
[35:18] Speaker 4: thing that Laura has complained about is everybody just believes
[35:20] Speaker 4: what's on the Love Trap podcast and it is biased
[35:23] Speaker 4: and nobody is hearing her side. Well, this was literally
[35:26] Speaker 4: her side of the story from September of twenty twenty three,
[35:29] Speaker 4: when this first started, till January of twenty twenty four.
[35:31] Speaker 4: Her emails were literally saying, no, you're wrong, Steve. And
[35:34] Speaker 4: this is why now, I didn't think any of her
[35:36] Speaker 4: reasons were legitimate, and I didn't believe them, and I
[35:39] Speaker 4: think most people that read those emails and listened to
[35:41] Speaker 4: me read those emails agreed it's still a bunch of crap,
[35:44] Speaker 4: but she was at least getting her side out there.
[35:46] Speaker 4: And now that we're letting her side out there by
[35:48] Speaker 4: reading her emails. I'm invading privacy. It makes no sense whatsoever.
[35:53] Speaker 1: The content creators have been through this before with Laura,
[35:56] Speaker 1: but it's different this time because now Laura is a
[36:00] Speaker 1: defendant in a high profile criminal case. Even still, she's
[36:05] Speaker 1: trying the same tactic, trying to silence the people who
[36:09] Speaker 1: talk about her alleged crimes.
[36:12] Speaker 13: I feel like she is back to in some ways,
[36:15] Speaker 13: this Laura that we saw in twenty twenty three, which
[36:18] Speaker 13: is this Laura who is still proclaiming her innocence, who
[36:22] Speaker 13: is still trying to get anything negative removed about her
[36:26] Speaker 13: from the Internet. We know that she did a lot
[36:28] Speaker 13: of complaints against content that was online. I think she
[36:32] Speaker 13: really is still trying to control the narrative so that
[36:36] Speaker 13: there's less negative stuff about her out there.
[36:47] Speaker 1: Mike Marraccini has also been trying to wipe negative content
[36:50] Speaker 1: about himself from the internet. You probably remember Laura's ted
[36:55] Speaker 1: X talk about their Iceland trip.
[36:58] Speaker 14: The first thing he did once we landed an Eye London,
[37:00] Speaker 14: got to the hotel, was asked me to pick a number,
[37:03] Speaker 14: not knowing why I picked forty. He said that was
[37:06] Speaker 14: how many times he was going to slot me. He did,
[37:09] Speaker 14: and then he choked me.
[37:12] Speaker 1: A lot of people have reached out to TEDx trying
[37:15] Speaker 1: to get this video taken down, and even caught the
[37:18] Speaker 1: attention of twelve News, a local Phoenix TV station, who
[37:22] Speaker 1: ran a segment on it. In June twenty twenty six.
[37:26] Speaker 8: Valley resident and former star of the Bachelor is upset
[37:30] Speaker 8: over a ted talk that remains online. The video shows
[37:34] Speaker 8: Laura Owens give life advice to others, despite Owens being
[37:38] Speaker 8: under multiple criminal indictments for allegedly lying in a paternity scandal.
[37:43] Speaker 1: Twelve News investigative reporter Sean Rice reached out to TEDEX
[37:47] Speaker 1: for comment.
[37:48] Speaker 15: I wanted to ask them why this video is still
[37:50] Speaker 15: up given the accusations and the findings in court against Owens.
[37:54] Speaker 15: We have not heard back at all, given them multiple
[37:56] Speaker 15: weeks to respond. We do know they're listening to this
[37:59] Speaker 15: criticism because the comment section on Laura Owens's x posting
[38:03] Speaker 15: on YouTube, those comments have been turned off.
[38:08] Speaker 1: When we started researching this case, our team also reached
[38:12] Speaker 1: out to ted X to get a statement. We never
[38:15] Speaker 1: received a response. After seeing this local news story, I
[38:19] Speaker 1: figured I would try again. I wrote back to TEDx
[38:24] Speaker 1: giving them a little background on the developments in this case.
[38:27] Speaker 1: I said quote, I realized that an indictment is not
[38:30] Speaker 1: a conviction, but I know that numerous people, including Mike
[38:34] Speaker 1: Marriccini himself, have asked for this video to be removed
[38:38] Speaker 1: from the techx YouTube page. I am requesting a response
[38:42] Speaker 1: to the following question, if Laura Owens is convicted of
[38:46] Speaker 1: felonies in the state of Arizona, does TEDx plan to
[38:49] Speaker 1: remove her video from their YouTube channel. To my surprise,
[38:54] Speaker 1: this time I got a response. It was three simple words, yes,
[39:01] Speaker 1: we do so. According to TEDx, if Laura is convicted
[39:07] Speaker 1: of felonies in the state of Arizona, we should expect
[39:10] Speaker 1: to see that video removed from YouTube. Those are all
[39:16] Speaker 1: the updates I have for now. On Monday, June twenty ninth,
[39:20] Speaker 1: we'll all be watching to see if Laura takes the
[39:23] Speaker 1: plea deal. If there's news, I'll be back with a
[39:26] Speaker 1: short update, and as the criminal proceedings continue, we'll bring
[39:31] Speaker 1: you more episodes of Love Trapped. T Thank you so
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