# The Company You Keep: Alex Elle’s Birth Chart and the Power of Choosing Joy

An episode of [The Spirit Daughter Podcast](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1877888956), 19 May 2026, 1 h 00 min.

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What does your birth chart reveal about who you are becoming? In this episode, I am sitting down with New York Times bestselling author Alex Elle to read her birth chart live and talk about her newest book, The Company We Keep, which is her sixth book. Alex is a Leo Sun with a Pisces Rising and a Taurus Moon, and her chart tells the story of someone who is learning to step into the spotlight even when every part of her wants to stay hidden. We talk about what it means to have so many planets below the horizon, why Leo Suns are often misunderstood, and how her T-square between the Moon, Pluto, and Mercury has shaped the way she communicates and processes her emotions. We also get into the power of choosing joy after years of deep healing work, what it means to be in a nodal return year, and how her chart reveals a big shift happening in her relationships. If you have ever felt called to be seen but struggled with the fear of stepping forward, this episode is for you. Topics Covered: • Alex Elle’s background as a New York Times bestselling author and her sixth book, The Company We Keep • How manifestation connects to the relationships and people in your life • Alex’s birth chart breakdown: Leo Sun, Pisces Rising, Taurus Moon • Why so many planets below the horizon can make it hard to be seen • The meaning behind the name Alexandra and how it connects to her chart • Moon in Taurus in the second house and what you need to feel emotionally fulfilled • Mars in Leo and going after what you want with style • Why Pisces Rising and Leo Sun create such different first impressions • The T-square between Moon, Pluto, and Mercury and how it shapes emotional processing • Why Leo Suns are often misunderstood • Choosing joy after years of healing work • What a nodal return is and how to navigate it • Relationships in the birth chart and what the seventh house reveals Timestamps: • \[00:03\] Welcome and introduction to Alex Elle • \[01:44\] Alex’s journey as an author and her new book, The Company We Keep • \[04:17\] Manifestation and the company you keep • \[06:02\] Diving into Alex’s birth chart: Leo Sun, Pisces Rising, Taurus Moon • \[14:09\] Joy seeking and the meaning behind the name Alexandra • \[16:47\] Moon in Taurus in the second house • \[25:46\] Mars in Leo and going after what you want • \[27:01\] Pisces Rising vs. Leo Sun and first impressions • \[32:55\] The T-square: Moon opposite Pluto, square Mercury in Leo • \[42:16\] Saturn return, nodal return, and big shifts ahead • \[51:32\] How to navigate a nodal return • \[53:21\] Relationships in the chart and the seventh house • \[57:50\] Closing thoughts and where to find Alex Elle Resources: • Spirit Daughter Instagram: @spiritdaughter • Spirit Daughter Website: spiritdaughter.com • My New Book "Spirit Daughter": Get it here • Get Your Free Natal Chart • Book a Natal Chart Reading • Try the Moment App for Free • Get the Gemini Season Workbook • Alex Elle on Instagram: @alexelle • Alex Elle's new book: The Company We Keep. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:03] Speaker 1: Hello everyone, and welcome back to the Spirit Daughter Podcast.
[0:07] Speaker 1: I'm Jill Winterstein aka Spirit Daughter, and today I'm sitting
[0:11] Speaker 1: down with the New York Times best selling author alex Elle.
[0:15] Speaker 1: We're talking about her chart, We're talking about her new book,
[0:19] Speaker 1: The Company We Keep, and we're talking about how to
[0:21] Speaker 1: keep it real through it all, and also how to
[0:25] Speaker 1: allow yourself to be seen when you don't want to
[0:28] Speaker 1: be seen. This episode is for anybody who might be
[0:31] Speaker 1: afraid to step into the spotlight, but it feels called
[0:34] Speaker 1: to be there and knows that's their place. Welcome alex So,
[0:41] Speaker 1: I'm so happy to welcome you. And I think it's
[0:44] Speaker 1: like full circle that we are back talking now on
[0:48] Speaker 1: my podcast does on your podcast, we can't even remember
[0:51] Speaker 1: how long ago. I think it was like in that
[0:53] Speaker 1: pre pandemic stage where like nothing existed before twenty twenty.
[0:58] Speaker 2: That's pretty much it. Yes, yes, a good boy boy.
[1:03] Speaker 1: So I'll be looking at your chart today and then
[1:05] Speaker 1: we can also talk about your new book, The Company
[1:10] Speaker 1: We Keep, which is number six.
[1:13] Speaker 3: Yeah, book six for me. Yes, I've been writing books
[1:16] Speaker 3: since I was twenty three. I'll be thirty seven this year.
[1:20] Speaker 1: So wow, that's amazing. You long career, long career in
[1:25] Speaker 1: writing books. It's kind of in your chart and we'll
[1:27] Speaker 1: talk about that.
[1:29] Speaker 2: I cannot wait. I'm so ready to dive into this chart.
[1:32] Speaker 2: Let me tell you.
[1:33] Speaker 1: You also have a super big year coming up, which
[1:35] Speaker 1: I'll get into. So there's like some major things happening.
[1:41] Speaker 2: I'm stressed. I'm stressed.
[1:44] Speaker 1: Okay, good major, good, major good things. Yeah, before we
[1:52] Speaker 1: dive into your chart, I think it'd be great to
[1:54] Speaker 1: give people a little context about what your book is about,
[1:57] Speaker 1: what motivated you. It feels a little different than books
[2:02] Speaker 1: you've previously written, even maybe like what surprised you in
[2:06] Speaker 1: the process of writing it.
[2:11] Speaker 3: So this book is called The Company We Keep, and
[2:13] Speaker 3: it's all about friendship and relationships and what it means
[2:16] Speaker 3: to grow together or sometimes grow apart. I wrote this
[2:21] Speaker 3: book two years ago, so you know, like if you
[2:25] Speaker 3: are familiar with the publishing industry, everything.
[2:27] Speaker 2: Is kind of like you know, it takes some time.
[2:31] Speaker 3: So pub day is pub day is twenty twenty six,
[2:35] Speaker 3: but I started writing it in twenty twenty four, And
[2:40] Speaker 3: all of my work is centered around healing. This book
[2:47] Speaker 3: is centered around being more clear and honest about our
[2:52] Speaker 3: capacity when it comes to being in relationships with other people.
[2:56] Speaker 3: I think it's really timely because so many folks will
[2:59] Speaker 3: talk talking about friendship in twenty twenty six, even though
[3:03] Speaker 3: this book was written two years ago. And I am
[3:08] Speaker 3: excited to see how healing comes into play for people
[3:13] Speaker 3: who read this book, because in order to be in
[3:18] Speaker 3: I think healthy relationships, we have to be willing to
[3:23] Speaker 3: be growing and healing and having some really hard conversations
[3:28] Speaker 3: not just with other people.
[3:30] Speaker 2: But with ourself.
[3:31] Speaker 3: And so when I turned thirty five a couple of
[3:34] Speaker 3: years ago, in the midst of writing this book, I
[3:37] Speaker 3: was changing, Like, thirty five really kicked.
[3:39] Speaker 2: Me in a lot of ways.
[3:42] Speaker 3: And I'll be thirty seven this July, and I feel
[3:46] Speaker 3: more myself than I have ever felt ever.
[3:49] Speaker 1: I love that.
[3:50] Speaker 3: I love that, And so, you know, I think this
[3:52] Speaker 3: book is a reflection of the growth that I've done
[3:55] Speaker 3: over the years as a woman, as a mother, as
[3:59] Speaker 3: a teacher, and as someone who is really committed to
[4:05] Speaker 3: self reflection and learning what it looks like to be
[4:09] Speaker 3: self aware while also not abandoning myself in the process
[4:14] Speaker 3: when it comes to being in relationships with other people.
[4:17] Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, And you know, I just think it's
[4:20] Speaker 1: interesting because I talk so much about manifestation, and we're
[4:23] Speaker 1: always talking about manifestation, and the company you keep actually
[4:27] Speaker 1: has a lot to do with manifestation, Like you manifest
[4:30] Speaker 1: relationships at certain times, they can affect your energy, they
[4:33] Speaker 1: can affect what you're manifesting in your life. They can
[4:37] Speaker 1: support you where they can drain you. So it's such
[4:40] Speaker 1: an important topic and I'm so happy that you are
[4:44] Speaker 1: putting this book out. And I think that people just
[4:47] Speaker 1: really need this kind of knowledge as healing, as just
[4:52] Speaker 1: understanding things like boundaries and understanding like energy and we
[4:56] Speaker 1: only have so much of it, So how are we
[4:58] Speaker 1: balancing like our internal resources and if it is time
[5:03] Speaker 1: to let go of somebody, like how do you do
[5:06] Speaker 1: that with grace? And how do you how do you
[5:09] Speaker 1: even just do that in the first place, because it
[5:11] Speaker 1: means so hard. But we do, you know, outgrow people
[5:15] Speaker 1: or move on from people, or we just realize we're
[5:18] Speaker 1: at a place in our lives where you know, it's
[5:20] Speaker 1: not supporting who we want to be. So I think
[5:23] Speaker 1: it's a really amazing book and I think it's needed.
[5:28] Speaker 3: So yeah, thank you. And I think number six, Yeah,
[5:32] Speaker 3: and I think that outgrowing who we used to be
[5:37] Speaker 3: and who we think we had to be is major
[5:40] Speaker 3: for me. It's not always outgrowing someone else, right. I
[5:43] Speaker 3: mean that happens too, of course, But I really want
[5:46] Speaker 3: this book to be an invitation for people to look
[5:49] Speaker 3: at themselves and the roles that they play in their relationships.
[5:52] Speaker 3: And so I'm excited for folks to get it. And
[5:54] Speaker 3: I'm also excited to see if this is in alignment
[5:57] Speaker 3: with my chart, because yes, listen, and.
[6:02] Speaker 1: It's definitely in a lignement with art. How much you
[6:04] Speaker 1: know about your chart?
[6:06] Speaker 3: I know a little bit. I know a very little bit.
[6:09] Speaker 3: I'm a Leo. I know have Pisces in there, and Taurus.
[6:14] Speaker 1: Pisces Moon and Turists, Son and Leo.
[6:18] Speaker 2: You're big three?
[6:20] Speaker 1: Are you married to Leo? Did we have this conversation?
[6:22] Speaker 3: Yeah? And I both of my parents are Leo's.
[6:26] Speaker 1: Wow, Yeah, I'm a Leo. I'm also married to Leo.
[6:30] Speaker 1: I don't my parents are not Leo's. But I remember
[6:32] Speaker 1: we had that in common that we were Leo's married
[6:34] Speaker 1: to Leo's, which is a whole other dynamic.
[6:38] Speaker 2: Isn't it.
[6:39] Speaker 4: Isn't it.
[6:42] Speaker 1: Everybody's always like, how's that going? And I'm like, it
[6:45] Speaker 1: was great until we had kids and then we both
[6:47] Speaker 1: thought we knew what we were doing, and neither one
[6:50] Speaker 1: of us knew what we were doing.
[6:52] Speaker 3: And I have three daughters, and so it's just it's
[6:55] Speaker 3: a lot of energy in here.
[6:56] Speaker 1: It's a lot of energy, a lot of energy. But yeah,
[6:58] Speaker 1: so you have Pisces rising, so that's your ascendant, and
[7:02] Speaker 1: so that is the first thing people feel when they
[7:05] Speaker 1: meet you. That's how you meet people. Your rising sign
[7:08] Speaker 1: is how you dawn on people. And so with Pisces,
[7:11] Speaker 1: they first meet your sensitivity, they meet your softness, they
[7:15] Speaker 1: meet your intuition, they meet your capacity to heal. Pisces
[7:19] Speaker 1: is the great healer of the zodiac and reminds us
[7:22] Speaker 1: that we're all interconnected and you know, what I do
[7:26] Speaker 1: affects you energetically, and like we're all just in this
[7:29] Speaker 1: matrix of energy. With Pisces, there's no boundaries. That's one
[7:34] Speaker 1: of the things that like Pisces sun signs really need
[7:37] Speaker 1: to learn in life is boundaries, because there is no
[7:41] Speaker 1: me and you. There's just us in the world of Pisces.
[7:44] Speaker 1: And so that's what people meet when they first meet you,
[7:48] Speaker 1: is this sensitivity, this intuition, this capacity to heal, this softness,
[7:55] Speaker 1: and so I think it really serves you well in
[7:59] Speaker 1: what you do because when people are first meeting you,
[8:01] Speaker 1: say on Instagram or on this podcast, or meeting you
[8:04] Speaker 1: through a book event or through your book, they immediately
[8:08] Speaker 1: meet that capacity of self healing that shines through this
[8:13] Speaker 1: Pisces ascendant. And so in a lot of ways, you
[8:17] Speaker 1: were born to give this healing to the world, to
[8:21] Speaker 1: project it outward.
[8:23] Speaker 2: Well, that's great, I'd love to hear that.
[8:25] Speaker 3: I mean, it just feels very aligned. I didn't know
[8:30] Speaker 3: that much about Pisces, but as I heard you talk,
[8:32] Speaker 3: I was like, oh, yeah, that's me. That's me thoroughly,
[8:35] Speaker 3: especially like when I'm teaching and I'm hosting retreats and
[8:39] Speaker 3: things like that. It's very much that energy of us
[8:43] Speaker 3: and let's do this together and let's soften together. And
[8:47] Speaker 3: I have the capacity to be a container for other people.
[8:50] Speaker 2: I really enjoy that, And so.
[8:53] Speaker 3: I'm glad that's aligned. I'm learning, you know, not to overextend,
[8:57] Speaker 3: but you know, we do what we can.
[8:58] Speaker 2: We do what we can.
[9:00] Speaker 1: Yes, you do need the boundaries. Your chart rulers Neptune,
[9:03] Speaker 1: so Neptune rolls Pisces and your Neptune sits in Capricorn
[9:07] Speaker 1: in your tenth house, and so tenth house is like
[9:10] Speaker 1: the house of career, it's your life's work. And with
[9:13] Speaker 1: Neptune and Capricorn, and this kind of is the driving
[9:16] Speaker 1: engine of your whole chart. You really want to Neptune
[9:21] Speaker 1: is like really helps us pull in these downloads, this
[9:24] Speaker 1: psychic ability, this intuition, but in Capricorn it wants to
[9:29] Speaker 1: create tangible things. Or Capricorn is very grounded. It's like,
[9:32] Speaker 1: let's make something with our hands. Let's write a book,
[9:36] Speaker 1: Let's do a project, let's create a board. Let's take
[9:40] Speaker 1: all of this information, all of this intuition and actually
[9:45] Speaker 1: create something with it that is practical, that has steps
[9:49] Speaker 1: that you can hold, that you can you know, flip
[9:52] Speaker 1: through and dog ear that you can can do things.
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[10:04] Speaker 1: you feel that within you that like you're kind of
[10:07] Speaker 1: always creating these like tangible resources for people. I mean,
[10:11] Speaker 1: I know you write books, but you're also talking about
[10:12] Speaker 1: like workshops and retreats. There are a lot of structure
[10:15] Speaker 1: in that.
[10:16] Speaker 2: Oh yeah, totally.
[10:18] Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that Neptune and Capricorn, and so that's driving
[10:23] Speaker 1: your chart. Because Neptune is the ruler, but because it's
[10:26] Speaker 1: sitting in Capricorn, it's bringing the structure and you can
[10:30] Speaker 1: lean on that to anytime you feel like you need boundaries,
[10:33] Speaker 1: anytime you're like, oh, I'm like, say you're teaching and
[10:36] Speaker 1: you're like, I'm taking on everybody's emotions. I'm feeling the
[10:39] Speaker 1: energy of the room, like all of a sudden, I
[10:42] Speaker 1: feel like I'm on a roller cloaster of emotions. You
[10:44] Speaker 1: can kind of lean into Capricorn to be like, Okay,
[10:46] Speaker 1: how can I create some structure, some boundaries around me,
[10:50] Speaker 1: maybe even just envisioning like a white shield around you,
[10:54] Speaker 1: or having actual boundaries of space. Because with Pisc's ascendant,
[11:00] Speaker 1: that can happen when you're in a group is like
[11:02] Speaker 1: you can take on everything, and it's like you have
[11:05] Speaker 1: to sit there and say, okay, what is mine? Like
[11:07] Speaker 1: what emotion is mine? And what is someone else's. You
[11:10] Speaker 1: may not even know the person, they might just be
[11:13] Speaker 1: in the room and you're picking up because Pisces. Wherever
[11:17] Speaker 1: Pisces is in your chart, especially with the ascendant or
[11:20] Speaker 1: like a Pisces son, you're like a sponge. You take
[11:23] Speaker 1: on emotions, you're empathic.
[11:26] Speaker 3: I was gonna say that. I also am very energy sensitive,
[11:31] Speaker 3: Like I can tell when the energy is off. I
[11:34] Speaker 3: can tell with someone when something is wrong with someone.
[11:37] Speaker 3: I can tell when someone may not be feeling their best.
[11:42] Speaker 3: I'm actually deeply sensitive and impacted by other people's energy,
[11:49] Speaker 3: Like in a major way. I'm very intuitive. I actually
[11:53] Speaker 3: do not like that because sometimes it feels kind of
[11:55] Speaker 3: like I know what's going to happen before it happens.
[11:58] Speaker 3: I know what is feeling before. It's felt like. It's
[12:03] Speaker 3: not my favorite thing, but it's been a blessing and
[12:06] Speaker 3: I've learned over the years of how to have more
[12:09] Speaker 3: boundaries with that and how to be like, Okay, whose
[12:12] Speaker 3: energy is this?
[12:12] Speaker 2: Is this mine?
[12:14] Speaker 3: Is it someone else's? But also like calling that energy
[12:17] Speaker 3: out and saying, hey, the energy just feels a little strange,
[12:21] Speaker 3: like what's going on, especially within the dynamics of my relationship.
[12:25] Speaker 3: So it's no hiding from me when it comes to that,
[12:28] Speaker 3: and I wish there was.
[12:29] Speaker 1: But is that Yeah, that's good, that's healthy for you,
[12:34] Speaker 1: And that's what you need to do is sit there
[12:37] Speaker 1: and tease it apart. And I find that this is
[12:40] Speaker 1: a learned skill as we watch people with prominent water placements.
[12:46] Speaker 1: You know, mature in their lives they learn the skill,
[12:49] Speaker 1: but when they're younger, they're taking on everything and they're like,
[12:52] Speaker 1: they'd have no idea if it's theirs or somebody else's.
[12:55] Speaker 1: And it takes some maturity to say, hey, this is
[12:58] Speaker 1: not mine, it doesn't belong to me. And if you
[13:01] Speaker 1: can have a conversation with the person who belongs to
[13:03] Speaker 1: great and be like, hey, this belongs to you. I'm
[13:07] Speaker 1: feeling it. The energy is off, like le's align, let's
[13:10] Speaker 1: let's set it right. So that's an important skill for
[13:13] Speaker 1: you with that Pisces rising. And then we get to
[13:17] Speaker 1: your son in Leo three degrees at three degrees fifth
[13:21] Speaker 1: house and so the sun it's at home, right, Leo
[13:24] Speaker 1: rules the fifth house, So your son is at home.
[13:27] Speaker 1: And you know the fifth house is creative expression, and
[13:30] Speaker 1: so there's this burning desire that's core to your personality.
[13:34] Speaker 2: Right.
[13:34] Speaker 1: The sun is the center of us, It's the core
[13:36] Speaker 1: of who we are. There's this burning desire that is
[13:39] Speaker 1: just like I want to express, I want to be creative.
[13:42] Speaker 1: I want to put things out in the world that
[13:46] Speaker 1: not only heal, you'll get that healing from that Pisces,
[13:48] Speaker 1: but bring joy, right, Leo is this sign of joy,
[13:51] Speaker 1: and I think a lot of us forget that. Like
[13:53] Speaker 1: Leo is like, let's not just create for the sake
[13:55] Speaker 1: of creating. Let's let's spread joy. Let's speak to the heart.
[14:00] Speaker 1: And so this is like the driving force behind everything
[14:04] Speaker 1: you create. Is this not just capacity to heal, but
[14:07] Speaker 1: capacity to bring joy? And so I think a lot
[14:10] Speaker 1: of healers like focus on the healing part, but your
[14:13] Speaker 1: charge is saying like, Okay, let's heal and then let's
[14:15] Speaker 1: have fun.
[14:17] Speaker 2: Oh I'm in the oh my gosh. I am a
[14:19] Speaker 2: joy seeker.
[14:20] Speaker 3: My personal Instagram page is called Enjoy with Alex outside
[14:25] Speaker 3: of you know, my business alex l page, and I
[14:28] Speaker 3: barely post on there. But when I was like thinking
[14:31] Speaker 3: of a name, I was like, it has to be
[14:33] Speaker 3: joy centered. I've been joy spotting for a very long time,
[14:37] Speaker 3: which is when I use a calendar instead of for
[14:40] Speaker 3: work things, I put all my moments of joy.
[14:42] Speaker 2: Like I am a joy seeker.
[14:45] Speaker 3: Yeah, I am a joy seeker and a joy spreader,
[14:49] Speaker 3: And especially in this season of my life, in this
[14:51] Speaker 3: season of womanhood, I am very much like I've done
[14:54] Speaker 3: a lot of healing in my life and now it
[14:58] Speaker 3: is time to really I reap the harvest of all
[15:02] Speaker 3: the joy and the beauty and stand in my in
[15:05] Speaker 3: my power in that way.
[15:06] Speaker 2: So that feels aligned too, love it, Yeah, And I think.
[15:10] Speaker 1: That's an important point too. I think people who go
[15:13] Speaker 1: down a healing journey, they there needs to be moments
[15:17] Speaker 1: of joy where you pause and you say, hey, like
[15:19] Speaker 1: I'm cooked, I'm done for now, Like I've healed enough
[15:22] Speaker 1: and maybe I still have more to heal, but I'm
[15:24] Speaker 1: gonna take the summer off. I'm gonna take a break
[15:27] Speaker 1: and I'm just gonna, you know, have have fun and
[15:31] Speaker 1: enjoy life. Remind myself of what I love about life.
[15:34] Speaker 1: And I think this is essential to the Leo theme.
[15:36] Speaker 1: Like Leo's it's so important that if you lose your
[15:39] Speaker 1: joy at anytime, is to remind yourself, like what do
[15:42] Speaker 1: I love most about life? Like what brings me joy?
[15:45] Speaker 1: What is the thing that like lights me up? Maybe
[15:48] Speaker 1: it doesn't serve anyone, maybe it doesn't help the world.
[15:52] Speaker 1: Maybe it's not healing me. I mean, it's healing you
[15:55] Speaker 1: on a fundamental level if it's bringing you joy. But
[15:58] Speaker 1: maybe it's not. Like some journaling prompt maybe it's just
[16:00] Speaker 1: like going and going to the beach for the day,
[16:02] Speaker 1: like something like that, and I and it just reminds
[16:05] Speaker 1: you of like, Okay, this is why I love life.
[16:07] Speaker 1: And I think that's so important for Leo's and it's
[16:11] Speaker 1: so important really for everybody, but especially if you're a
[16:13] Speaker 1: Leo's son. It's so important for you to keep showing
[16:16] Speaker 1: up because Leo is this leadership position. Right, if you
[16:20] Speaker 1: have a Leo's son or strong Leo placements, you're a leader.
[16:23] Speaker 1: Like you're leading, and you need to take a break
[16:26] Speaker 1: even from leading at times, and you need to be
[16:29] Speaker 1: able to connect back with your heart and your joy
[16:32] Speaker 1: so that ultimately you can lead from that place and lead.
[16:36] Speaker 1: You know, for you, it's in fifth house. So this
[16:38] Speaker 1: is creativity and so you can lead through your creative expression.
[16:42] Speaker 1: But you can do that best when you give yourself breaks.
[16:45] Speaker 3: And I love it also means my name also means
[16:50] Speaker 3: leader of mankind Alexander.
[16:52] Speaker 1: Wow. Wow, yeah, there you go.
[16:55] Speaker 2: Well, you you're very aligned.
[17:02] Speaker 1: And you have this moon in tarns and ten degrees.
[17:05] Speaker 1: This is your second house. The moon's also it's exalted
[17:09] Speaker 1: in tars, so it loves to be there and the
[17:12] Speaker 1: moon is your emotional needs, what you need to feel
[17:16] Speaker 1: fulfilled and for you in the second house, like you're
[17:20] Speaker 1: nourished by beauty, by stability, by the comfort of your home.
[17:24] Speaker 1: You need a solid foundation. You need things around you
[17:27] Speaker 1: that bring you comfort. You know, that allow you to
[17:31] Speaker 1: feel at ease in your space, that you can tap
[17:34] Speaker 1: deeper into your intuition and you can tap deeper into
[17:38] Speaker 1: all of your gifts. But your space, your actual container,
[17:42] Speaker 1: is really really important for your emotional nourishment, Like your
[17:47] Speaker 1: home needs to be nourishing, and not just your home.
[17:52] Speaker 1: Life will get into that in a bit, but like
[17:55] Speaker 1: your actual physical home, like the culch you're sitting on,
[17:59] Speaker 1: like your your sheets, like you need that comfort to
[18:03] Speaker 1: feel emotionally nourished and stable and also abundant. Like the
[18:09] Speaker 1: more comfort you feel around you, the more capacity you
[18:13] Speaker 1: have to create abundance in all forms. Because now the
[18:17] Speaker 1: second house directly links with not just our abundance, but
[18:20] Speaker 1: also our self worth. So it's like you need to
[18:23] Speaker 1: feel worthy of these beautiful surroundings, this beautiful container that
[18:28] Speaker 1: nourishes you, so that you can go within, access your intuition,
[18:32] Speaker 1: your gifts to their full capacity, and create abundance in
[18:36] Speaker 1: all forms in your life, and that's the story of
[18:39] Speaker 1: your moon.
[18:41] Speaker 3: Well, I'm smiling so big because I'm actually in month
[18:44] Speaker 3: two of home renovations. So the contractors actually just left
[18:49] Speaker 3: so I could have this call with you. My bathrooms
[18:52] Speaker 3: are being renovated, My primary bathroom is almost done, and
[18:56] Speaker 3: then May one will be a full gut kitchen reno.
[19:00] Speaker 3: So I am just in this season of like, I mean,
[19:03] Speaker 3: I bought my house six seven years ago, and I
[19:07] Speaker 3: am in this season.
[19:09] Speaker 2: Of like, really, I love being home.
[19:12] Speaker 3: I have beautiful things in my home, very grounding things
[19:16] Speaker 3: in my home.
[19:17] Speaker 2: I love.
[19:19] Speaker 3: I love being home, and I travel so much for
[19:21] Speaker 3: work that like when I come home, I wanted to
[19:23] Speaker 3: feel like an oasis, like I'm being wrapped in a hug,
[19:26] Speaker 3: like a place of peace, right, And so I'm glad
[19:30] Speaker 3: that that shows up in my chart because I've always
[19:32] Speaker 3: been that way, like even before I was a homeowner,
[19:34] Speaker 3: even when we were in apartments, like everything just had
[19:36] Speaker 3: a place, had intention, and it had to feel like
[19:40] Speaker 3: a glimmer of like tranquility. And I just loved all
[19:45] Speaker 3: this showing off my chart.
[19:46] Speaker 2: It's very me.
[19:47] Speaker 4: It's very me, I know, and start really digging into
[19:51] Speaker 4: the chart, it's interesting and you know, going even deeper
[19:55] Speaker 4: in your chart, you have a Leo Stelliam.
[19:58] Speaker 1: So you have Mercury in Leo and Mars and Leo.
[20:02] Speaker 1: You also have your seuth node in Leo, which we'll
[20:04] Speaker 1: talk about in a moment. So you have your son Mercury,
[20:07] Speaker 1: Mars and self node. And so the son is your
[20:10] Speaker 1: core identity. Mercury is how you communicate. It's your mind.
[20:15] Speaker 1: And so again this is in the fifth house, So
[20:18] Speaker 1: you're communicating from the heart. So everything you create, everything
[20:24] Speaker 1: you say, everything you use your voice for right, we
[20:27] Speaker 1: can think of Mercury as the voice that really carries
[20:30] Speaker 1: our mind in our perspectives, comes right from that Leo,
[20:34] Speaker 1: right from that heart. And so your heart is really speaking.
[20:38] Speaker 1: And so in a lot of ways, when I see
[20:41] Speaker 1: like Mercury and Leo in the fifth House is like
[20:43] Speaker 1: there's no bs with you, Like what is what you get?
[20:53] Speaker 1: Because sometimes our heart speaks, Like you know, we always
[20:56] Speaker 1: say like, oh, speak from the heart, and we think
[20:57] Speaker 1: it's I mean, it's gonna be kind, but it's not
[21:00] Speaker 1: always going to be what people want to hear.
[21:02] Speaker 2: We'll be right.
[21:03] Speaker 1: Back after a quick break, Yeah, and so very direct.
[21:13] Speaker 3: That's what I hear from people who love me, like
[21:16] Speaker 3: you're very direct, You're very clear, and that like with
[21:19] Speaker 3: my closest people. I've had to learn how to speak
[21:22] Speaker 3: from the heart without being harsh and without being dismissive
[21:27] Speaker 3: and without being too direct, because a lot of people
[21:32] Speaker 3: are not used to that. But that's how I communicate,
[21:34] Speaker 3: and I love being communicated with that way, Like I
[21:39] Speaker 3: can't do a whole lot of like eggshells and like
[21:42] Speaker 3: beating around the bush, like say what you gotta say, girl,
[21:44] Speaker 3: Like let's come on, like so we can get to it,
[21:46] Speaker 3: you know, So yeah again, thank you Universe.
[21:51] Speaker 1: Yes, And when you think about your communication, you have
[21:54] Speaker 1: to remember Mercury and Leo. That's the lion talking, yeah,
[21:59] Speaker 1: And so it's like, how do we soften the lion?
[22:04] Speaker 2: You know, she's learning, guys, she's learning, and.
[22:09] Speaker 1: It's going to always come from the heart. But it's
[22:11] Speaker 1: like that delivery, that tone, and like not everybody, not
[22:16] Speaker 1: everybody can take messages straight from the heart that are direct.
[22:20] Speaker 1: It takes a certain receiver for that kind of information.
[22:24] Speaker 1: So kind of like understanding too, like who's receiving this
[22:27] Speaker 1: message from the Lion's mouth.
[22:30] Speaker 2: Yea, it can all be worked on your speaking. Yeah,
[22:34] Speaker 2: I've worked on that. I have worked on that.
[22:36] Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a it's a good one. And then you
[22:40] Speaker 1: have Mars in Leo at twenty four degrees and so
[22:45] Speaker 1: and this is right on your self note, and so
[22:47] Speaker 1: I'm going to kind of dovetail a little bit in
[22:49] Speaker 1: your self note too. Your self note is where you've
[22:52] Speaker 1: been in life, in past lives probably, so you've come
[22:56] Speaker 1: into this world knowing these energies already. So a lot
[23:00] Speaker 1: of the energies of Leo are home to you with
[23:03] Speaker 1: a south no Leo, you understand them, and you even
[23:06] Speaker 1: understand the lower energies. You understand what it's like to
[23:09] Speaker 1: seek approval for the sake of approval, or think you're
[23:12] Speaker 1: not worthy until you get applause. Right, these are the
[23:15] Speaker 1: lower energies of Leo, and they're the ones in this
[23:18] Speaker 1: lifetime you're really working to detach from, and with Mars
[23:22] Speaker 1: right on the south note in Leo, Mars is this
[23:26] Speaker 1: warrior spirit. It's this energy. So most likely in a
[23:30] Speaker 1: past life you were some kind of leader that went
[23:34] Speaker 1: to war for something that your heart believed in. And
[23:38] Speaker 1: so that Mars is really like bringing this fire and
[23:42] Speaker 1: intensity to your South note, and it's saying, Okay, how
[23:46] Speaker 1: are we going to charge forward in this lifetime and
[23:51] Speaker 1: actually bringing everything we know to be of service to
[23:55] Speaker 1: people versus just kind of fighting for the sake of
[24:00] Speaker 1: the fight. Because a lot of times when we look
[24:02] Speaker 1: at the South node, we see where you quote unquote
[24:05] Speaker 1: got it wrong in the previous life. So in a
[24:08] Speaker 1: previous life you may have just like fought for the
[24:11] Speaker 1: sake of fighting, fought for the sake of ego in
[24:14] Speaker 1: a lot of ways, and this lifetime is the opposite.
[24:17] Speaker 1: This lifetime is learning, Okay, how am I fighting for
[24:20] Speaker 1: being of service? How am I fighting in a way
[24:23] Speaker 1: that serves the collective? You have your North node opposite
[24:27] Speaker 1: that South node, Aquarius, which is all about the collective,
[24:30] Speaker 1: And so this lifetime is really learning about serving the collective,
[24:34] Speaker 1: showing up for the collective, taking that warrior spirit, and
[24:39] Speaker 1: not just fighting for yourself or for like the people
[24:42] Speaker 1: closest to you, but fighting for a bigger, larger scale.
[24:47] Speaker 2: Wow. Yeah, it sounds about right, Jill, sounds about.
[24:53] Speaker 1: The south. That is fine because we get to kind
[24:55] Speaker 1: of like look at like past life stuff and often
[25:00] Speaker 1: times it shows up like when we're younger where it's
[25:02] Speaker 1: like like with the South and Oleo, you can reflect
[25:04] Speaker 1: back and you're like, oh, well, did I do that
[25:06] Speaker 1: just for the applause of my parents or just for
[25:08] Speaker 1: the applause of my caregivers? Was that something I really
[25:11] Speaker 1: wanted to do? Was that true to my heart? Or
[25:13] Speaker 1: did I just feel I had to do that to
[25:16] Speaker 1: earn love? But it wasn't really true to who I was?
[25:19] Speaker 1: And so then it puts you on this life path
[25:22] Speaker 1: of understanding that that's where some of the healing comes in,
[25:25] Speaker 1: like understanding like oh, wow, I used to do things
[25:29] Speaker 1: just for the sake of approval or just because I
[25:31] Speaker 1: felt like that's what I needed for love. That was
[25:34] Speaker 1: conditional in my life, And now it's like a path
[25:37] Speaker 1: of learning how to love yourself unconditionally and bring that
[25:41] Speaker 1: knowledge and that healing and that learning with this fight
[25:45] Speaker 1: right with this warrior spirit to the greater collective. Wow,
[25:54] Speaker 1: we get into stuff.
[25:57] Speaker 3: I'm speechless, I am, I'm speechless.
[26:03] Speaker 1: Yeah, And I mean and then with that, Mars too,
[26:06] Speaker 1: like you go after what you want. And I always
[26:10] Speaker 1: say with Mars and Leo, you go after what you
[26:12] Speaker 1: want with style, because like Leo brings a little bit
[26:15] Speaker 1: of style and flare to it, like Leo is the
[26:18] Speaker 1: sign of you know, people will talk about drama, but
[26:22] Speaker 1: you can create that drama in a positive way. So
[26:25] Speaker 1: it's like, I am going to know what i want,
[26:28] Speaker 1: ask for I want, and I'm going to like do
[26:30] Speaker 1: it in this way that's lent like two attention seeking,
[26:33] Speaker 1: but in a way that gets my point across.
[26:35] Speaker 3: So I'm glad you said that, because I don't like
[26:40] Speaker 3: being the center of attention, even with the work that
[26:43] Speaker 3: I'm in. It makes me feel very insecure and uncomfortable.
[26:48] Speaker 3: I don't like that. And then sometimes I'll meet people
[26:51] Speaker 3: and they be like, what's your sign? And all I
[26:53] Speaker 3: know is that I'm a Leo, right, So I'm like,
[26:55] Speaker 3: I'm Leo and they're like, you don't give me Leo.
[26:57] Speaker 3: You don't give me Leo or I knew I.
[27:00] Speaker 2: Do, because yeah, I can see that.
[27:02] Speaker 3: And so it's I'm curious, like how that shows up
[27:06] Speaker 3: in my chart because I don't like being the center
[27:08] Speaker 3: of attention at all. It makes me feel very cringey
[27:11] Speaker 3: and so curious like why that is even though I
[27:15] Speaker 3: am the Leo and I have so much Leo in
[27:17] Speaker 3: my chart.
[27:19] Speaker 2: What is that about.
[27:21] Speaker 1: Well, when you first meet people, they're going to meet
[27:23] Speaker 1: your rising sign.
[27:24] Speaker 2: So meeting the Pisces.
[27:26] Speaker 1: Pisce and Leo are so different, right, they're so different.
[27:30] Speaker 1: And a lot of times if people have like a
[27:31] Speaker 1: water rising, especially Pisces or cancer, not so much Scorpio,
[27:36] Speaker 1: because Scorpio carries a lot of fierceness to it. If
[27:39] Speaker 1: they have a Leo's son, people will be like, oh,
[27:41] Speaker 1: I never guess that because they're meeting this like softness first,
[27:44] Speaker 1: and Leo kind of like gets this, like, oh, you're fierce,
[27:46] Speaker 1: you're bolt with you with the sun and Leo. We're
[27:50] Speaker 1: in the fifth house, so we're below the horizon right
[27:53] Speaker 1: the when we're above the horizon when we're out there,
[27:56] Speaker 1: so we're below the horizon. So this is going to
[27:59] Speaker 1: be more of your intro in a world which is
[28:01] Speaker 1: going to want you to stay in, so you're more
[28:04] Speaker 1: likely to sit and be creative in your home and
[28:08] Speaker 1: then put that creativity.
[28:10] Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, this is crazy, it's crazy.
[28:16] Speaker 1: And you have that moon also in your second house,
[28:18] Speaker 1: which is also below the horizon. And so first through
[28:22] Speaker 1: six the houses are below the horizon, and then seven
[28:25] Speaker 1: through twelve or above the horizon, and so your moon
[28:28] Speaker 1: and your sun are below the horizon. And so they're
[28:31] Speaker 1: saying especially that moon and tars the moon tars is
[28:34] Speaker 1: like I'm a homebody. I'm saying inside, I'm staying like
[28:37] Speaker 1: with my velvet curtains or whatever you have that makes
[28:40] Speaker 1: you feel good, you know, czy, my.
[28:43] Speaker 3: Collection of teapots and cups and cozy blankets and lambskin rugs, like.
[28:49] Speaker 1: Yes, exactly, exactly, let's be cozy. And so there's this
[28:53] Speaker 1: natural with your moon and sun, like to stay hidden
[28:56] Speaker 1: with it below. I'll also say for Leo Son, I
[29:00] Speaker 1: think Leo's son is really misunderstood. And I speak that
[29:04] Speaker 1: from a Leo's son. I'm married to Leo's son, my
[29:07] Speaker 1: firstborn as a Leo son, So it's like I'm like,
[29:10] Speaker 1: I have a PhD in Leo Sons. I will say
[29:13] Speaker 1: that a lot of people like assume that Leo's suns
[29:16] Speaker 1: love the spotlight and there's a center of attention. And
[29:19] Speaker 1: I have met some that are like that. I know,
[29:22] Speaker 1: like one off the top of my head, definitely like
[29:24] Speaker 1: that fits to a tea. But most of the time
[29:27] Speaker 1: Leo Sons are on this journey, this lifetime to learn
[29:31] Speaker 1: to be a leader on stage and be seen. We
[29:34] Speaker 1: don't come into the world actually knowing that, and it's
[29:37] Speaker 1: extremely vulnerable. It makes us feel to be seen, feels
[29:43] Speaker 1: extremely extremely vulnerable. I mean, if you look at my
[29:46] Speaker 1: own course of your daughter, it's almost like an exact
[29:49] Speaker 1: kind of journey of a Leo's son. I started the account,
[29:53] Speaker 1: I never showed my face for two years. You know,
[29:55] Speaker 1: the profile pick was like a brand logo, you know,
[29:59] Speaker 1: so it's like very much hidden. And then slowly coming
[30:02] Speaker 1: out of the shadows. Out of the shadows, I started
[30:04] Speaker 1: doing stories and then like now I'm on podcasts and
[30:08] Speaker 1: you know, showing my face all the time. But it
[30:10] Speaker 1: was it was a ten year journey. I started spread
[30:13] Speaker 1: art in twenty sixteen. This is and every time I
[30:16] Speaker 1: feel vulnerable, and that is the journey of I think
[30:20] Speaker 1: almost every Leo sun is you feel vulnerable. It's not
[30:25] Speaker 1: that the spotlight automatically feels comfortable, but you know that
[30:29] Speaker 1: you have a message, you have a voice, especially you
[30:33] Speaker 1: that Mercury and Leo. You have a capacity to give
[30:38] Speaker 1: to others. You have gifts, and so there's something driving
[30:41] Speaker 1: you to keep putting that out there. And yes, it
[30:44] Speaker 1: feels uncomfortable. I'm sure it feels uncomfortable and vulnerable every
[30:47] Speaker 1: time you launch a book, even on number six, I'm
[30:50] Speaker 1: sure it feels vulnerable. Every time you see a clip
[30:53] Speaker 1: of yourself, you know, on Instagram, of a podcast or
[30:56] Speaker 1: a talk or you are you speaking in some capacity city.
[31:00] Speaker 1: That's the journey of Leo, though. It's to say, Okay,
[31:04] Speaker 1: I can be seen and you don't have to necessarily
[31:08] Speaker 1: like be the center of attention, right, because then you're
[31:10] Speaker 1: being seen. The center of attention is like I'm being
[31:13] Speaker 1: seen from every angle, and like who wants to be
[31:15] Speaker 1: seen from every angle? But you can, you know, stand
[31:20] Speaker 1: in a spotlight, stand on a stage, stand in a
[31:23] Speaker 1: leadership position, and learn how to do that with the vulnerability.
[31:29] Speaker 1: Like a true leader stands up and leads even though
[31:33] Speaker 1: they feel vulnerable. The vulnerability never goes away. They just
[31:36] Speaker 1: get comfortable with it.
[31:38] Speaker 2: Got it.
[31:39] Speaker 1: And So that's my big long message about Leo's suns
[31:44] Speaker 1: Now for you, it's going to be even harder to
[31:47] Speaker 1: kind of like get out into that spotlight or be
[31:50] Speaker 1: seen because it's buried in your fifth house, like mine's
[31:56] Speaker 1: right that my son is right at the top in
[31:58] Speaker 1: my tenth house, the most point in the chart, and
[32:01] Speaker 1: I still feel that intense vulnerability, and so with it
[32:05] Speaker 1: buried in your fifth house, you're also going to feel
[32:08] Speaker 1: you know, you're going to feel it even more. So.
[32:10] Speaker 1: It's like this lifetime. Part of this lifetime is this
[32:13] Speaker 1: journey to understand that vulnerability is going to come with
[32:18] Speaker 1: your life path. Yeah, okay, and being seen and being
[32:23] Speaker 1: seen yeah, but yeah, the center of retention, I think
[32:28] Speaker 1: that's like a bad rap. I feel like a lot
[32:31] Speaker 1: of the sort of popular ideas people have about signs,
[32:37] Speaker 1: like the meme worthy things like it's just the lower
[32:39] Speaker 1: energies we're looking at, and you're going to be really
[32:41] Speaker 1: triggered by the lower energies of Leo because your south
[32:45] Speaker 1: note is there and you're actually here to really detach
[32:48] Speaker 1: and understand those low energies and release them completely from
[32:53] Speaker 1: any energetic evolution you're on in this lifetime. And so
[32:57] Speaker 1: you're going to be really triggered by those low energy
[33:00] Speaker 1: g's of Leo, which is like center of attention, which
[33:03] Speaker 1: is like grasping for the spotlight, you know, doing that
[33:06] Speaker 1: drama flare, like doing things just for the sake of
[33:08] Speaker 1: being seen kind of thing. Yeah, yeah, lots that you
[33:15] Speaker 1: do have an interesting T square in your chart. So
[33:19] Speaker 1: T square is when three placements form tension together. And
[33:25] Speaker 1: so you have your moon opposite Pluto and they both
[33:30] Speaker 1: square the mercury in Leo, so your moon's and taris
[33:34] Speaker 1: directly opposite your Pluto in Scorpio, and then they square
[33:40] Speaker 1: the mercury in Leo. So these are all forming some
[33:43] Speaker 1: tension in your life. But it's very, very powerful. So
[33:48] Speaker 1: the moon opposite Pluto really brings emotional intensity. There's an
[33:54] Speaker 1: emotional depth to you, like really deep, deeper than the
[33:58] Speaker 1: Leo placements deep or even then that Pisces placement, like
[34:02] Speaker 1: Scorpio goes so deep, and with it opposing your moon,
[34:06] Speaker 1: it's saying, okay, let's go into that emotional world and
[34:09] Speaker 1: let's go as deep as we can, and let's transform
[34:13] Speaker 1: everything we possibly can. Let's air it all out, let's
[34:17] Speaker 1: unpack all the layers, let's figure this out. And it's messy,
[34:22] Speaker 1: and it brings you to a lot of messy middles,
[34:24] Speaker 1: which I like to call that period of transformation. And
[34:28] Speaker 1: then it squares that Mercury and Leo or it's like,
[34:31] Speaker 1: oh wait, how do I make sense of all this?
[34:34] Speaker 1: How do I write about this? How do I communicate
[34:37] Speaker 1: with myself first about this? And then how do I
[34:39] Speaker 1: communicate with others? How does this inform my expression? And
[34:44] Speaker 1: so there's a very powerful psychological journey here of transformation,
[34:50] Speaker 1: of understanding yourself at the deepest, deepest, deepest layer, which
[34:54] Speaker 1: is not always fun, Like Moon opposing Pluto, especially in Scorpio,
[34:59] Speaker 1: not always fun. This is going to bring scenarios up
[35:02] Speaker 1: in your life that hurt you, that it cause you
[35:05] Speaker 1: to like go through heartbreak, through pains, through different layers,
[35:11] Speaker 1: like things we don't want to experience, but they ultimately
[35:15] Speaker 1: transform us. And then that mercury goes Okay, now what
[35:18] Speaker 1: do I do with it? And I always say with
[35:23] Speaker 1: the T square, you always want to look at the
[35:25] Speaker 1: empty leg. And so we're talking about three placements. A
[35:29] Speaker 1: square has four points, and so we want to find
[35:32] Speaker 1: that fourth point. That fourth point is Aquarius, which is collective.
[35:38] Speaker 1: And so for you, it's like the release valve on
[35:41] Speaker 1: this T square is taking all of this knowledge gained
[35:46] Speaker 1: in transformation, taking all of this messy middle, taking all
[35:50] Speaker 1: of this emotional depth and bringing it out towards the collective,
[35:56] Speaker 1: and that will actually help you make sense of any everything.
[35:59] Speaker 1: Find silver linings, find higher meanings, find like, Okay, I
[36:05] Speaker 1: went through this thing that was really challenging and really hard.
[36:10] Speaker 1: How do I make sense of it? I'm want to
[36:12] Speaker 1: first write for myself and my journal, and then I'm
[36:16] Speaker 1: going to maybe write communicate somewhere else, and then I'm
[36:19] Speaker 1: going to bring that to the collective. Even though it
[36:22] Speaker 1: feels vulnerable.
[36:25] Speaker 3: I'm I'm just taking all of this in because it
[36:28] Speaker 3: just feels so aligned with who I am and where
[36:32] Speaker 3: I am, especially in the season of my life. So
[36:35] Speaker 3: I just it just is making all the sense and
[36:38] Speaker 3: I love it.
[36:39] Speaker 1: And now a quick word from our wonderful sponsors. Yeah,
[36:48] Speaker 1: and it really is like what I'm looking at your
[36:50] Speaker 1: chart is really the astrology of a writer who can't
[36:53] Speaker 1: write surface level.
[36:55] Speaker 2: And I don't know to write with small talk either.
[36:57] Speaker 2: I was thinking about that the other day.
[36:58] Speaker 3: I was like, I just need to just I And
[37:01] Speaker 3: sometimes I get insecure about that because I'm like, I'm
[37:05] Speaker 3: so deep, like I can meet someone and I'm ready
[37:08] Speaker 3: to I'm ready to talk.
[37:09] Speaker 2: I don't need to do all the surface level stuff.
[37:12] Speaker 3: And I also have to again those boundaries of like
[37:16] Speaker 3: everybody isn't like that everybody isn't like me, so let
[37:19] Speaker 3: me tread in a way that's mindful and aligned. It
[37:22] Speaker 3: makes people feel, you know, seen and held versus you know,
[37:26] Speaker 3: scared of me.
[37:29] Speaker 2: But I am not a shit I don't I.
[37:31] Speaker 3: Don't do the small talk stuff like I want to
[37:34] Speaker 3: deep dive. I want to get to know people. I
[37:36] Speaker 3: want to get to know the world around me. I
[37:38] Speaker 3: want to get to know my work in a different way.
[37:42] Speaker 3: I'm very curious about myself and the people I love,
[37:47] Speaker 3: and so this all just makes a lot of sense.
[37:50] Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're here to go deep, like you
[37:53] Speaker 1: can't do surface level.
[37:55] Speaker 2: I've tried. It doesn't worry.
[37:58] Speaker 1: Yeah, Moon opposing Pluto often cannot do that because Pluto
[38:04] Speaker 1: and Scorpio is deep. It's just like okay, and yours
[38:07] Speaker 1: is in your eighth house. So that's like it's just deep.
[38:11] Speaker 1: It's super deep, and it just wants to transform and
[38:15] Speaker 1: it wants to go like I always say, like Scorpio
[38:17] Speaker 1: just dives to the bottom of the ocean and goes
[38:19] Speaker 1: can we go deeper? And so that's and that's working
[38:23] Speaker 1: with your moon, and your Moon is your your emotions,
[38:27] Speaker 1: and so emotionally you're like, yes, I need my containers
[38:30] Speaker 1: and my comfort, and I need to go deep, deep, deep, deep,
[38:34] Speaker 1: deep deep deep. And so if I have those that
[38:36] Speaker 1: comfort of the container where I feel safe, the deeper deeper, deeper,
[38:41] Speaker 1: I can go.
[38:43] Speaker 2: Yeah, and then ultimately bringing.
[38:46] Speaker 1: That out to the collective. And so you're you have
[38:50] Speaker 1: a lot of Leo, but in a lot of ways
[38:52] Speaker 1: you're on a journey to take all of this Leo fire,
[38:56] Speaker 1: to take all of this leadership and give it to
[38:59] Speaker 1: the collection, to be a thought leader in some way.
[39:01] Speaker 1: That's the Aquarium sign. That's your North note in Aquarius
[39:04] Speaker 1: saying okay, like you're here and maybe you don't want
[39:08] Speaker 1: to be the center of attention, but you need to
[39:10] Speaker 1: stand on stage and give your ideas, give your depth,
[39:16] Speaker 1: give your unique perspective, give your understanding to others. Is
[39:20] Speaker 1: that Aquarius is going to go, Okay, we're breaking the
[39:23] Speaker 1: mold somehow, Like that's what we're doing this lifetime. Anybody
[39:27] Speaker 1: with strong Aquarius energy in their chart north and non
[39:30] Speaker 1: Aquarius son and Aquarius breaking the mold. Aquarius is like, Okay,
[39:35] Speaker 1: we're going to take that paradigm. We're going to spin
[39:37] Speaker 1: on its head and we are going to create something else.
[39:41] Speaker 1: And lead the collective forward with this new paradigm shift.
[39:46] Speaker 1: And that's part of your your ultimate journey is to
[39:49] Speaker 1: take all this Leo Moon opposing Puto, all of this
[39:55] Speaker 1: depth mercury and Leo Mars in the south, note this fear,
[40:00] Speaker 1: this warrior spirit, bring it all to others, all to
[40:07] Speaker 1: being a thought leader in a lot of ways, and
[40:10] Speaker 1: a thought leader and healing because again it's like you've
[40:13] Speaker 1: got that Pisce's like healing is always going to be
[40:15] Speaker 1: central to who you are and to how you're perceived
[40:19] Speaker 1: and what people meet when they meet you. Well, I
[40:25] Speaker 1: know a lot of stuff going on here. You also
[40:27] Speaker 1: have your Son opposes Uranness exact so it's it's like
[40:33] Speaker 1: an exact degree, and so that really means like you
[40:36] Speaker 1: are definitely here to break the mold like you are.
[40:41] Speaker 1: Like Son opposing Uranis is all about like, Okay, I
[40:46] Speaker 1: am shifting, I have electric energy, I'm going to funnel
[40:50] Speaker 1: it and I'm going to create change. Do you think
[40:54] Speaker 1: do you have like sudden shifts in your path that
[40:56] Speaker 1: you think really shaped you? So that's what that Sun
[40:59] Speaker 1: Opposed and your honest would speak to.
[41:03] Speaker 3: I mean, for sure, I feel like I'm the matriarch
[41:06] Speaker 3: of healing from my lineage. Actually I know that I
[41:08] Speaker 3: am I, and that was that was a hard a
[41:15] Speaker 3: hard thing to like take on and answer to, like
[41:19] Speaker 3: being the one who wanted to break the cycles. And
[41:27] Speaker 3: one day, I think I was in my early twenties,
[41:31] Speaker 3: I just woke up and was like, oh, I have
[41:33] Speaker 3: to I can't keep avoiding this call, like I have
[41:36] Speaker 3: to be who my lineage is calling me to be,
[41:40] Speaker 3: especially with I only had one daughter at the time,
[41:43] Speaker 3: but now I have three.
[41:45] Speaker 2: So it's just like and I don't think that was
[41:48] Speaker 2: by mistake either, me having three daughters and.
[41:55] Speaker 3: Deciding to be a different type of woman and a
[41:57] Speaker 3: different type of mother than I had in my life.
[42:01] Speaker 3: And so that was really major for me.
[42:04] Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, again that breaking the mold and
[42:08] Speaker 1: son opposite your honest. Your honest is the ruler of Aquarius,
[42:12] Speaker 1: and it really shakes things up and it really helps
[42:17] Speaker 1: us break through things. And so opposing your son and
[42:20] Speaker 1: Leo saying okay, like part of your identity is to
[42:25] Speaker 1: create paradigm shifts, to break the mold, and then you
[42:28] Speaker 1: know you're speaking of home and lineage and I always
[42:31] Speaker 1: look at the fourth House for that fourth house is
[42:33] Speaker 1: the house.
[42:33] Speaker 2: Of the home.
[42:34] Speaker 1: It's where we see our lineage. You have chiron and
[42:37] Speaker 1: cancer in the fourth which is you came into this
[42:41] Speaker 1: world with the wound around home, family and journey and
[42:49] Speaker 1: your journey this lifetime. Part of it is to heal
[42:54] Speaker 1: that wound, and to heal that wound of the fourth house,
[42:58] Speaker 1: which is around lineage, which is around home, which is
[43:01] Speaker 1: around ancestors, ancestral patterns like this is where we see
[43:07] Speaker 1: generational trauma show up as in the fourth house and
[43:10] Speaker 1: with Chiron. Chiron shows us where our deepest wounds are
[43:14] Speaker 1: in our chart and where our our true healing is
[43:19] Speaker 1: around Chiron, and also shows us because Chiron's Piron's interesting
[43:24] Speaker 1: placement because it shows us our deepest wounds. It also
[43:28] Speaker 1: shows us that when we heal our deepest wounds or
[43:31] Speaker 1: we're in the journey of healing, they don't even have
[43:32] Speaker 1: to be completely healed. We can be in the process
[43:34] Speaker 1: of healing. That's how we heal others. We heal others
[43:38] Speaker 1: by healing ourselves. And so for you, like your greatest
[43:42] Speaker 1: of everything else, everything we've talked about, your greatest capacity
[43:46] Speaker 1: for your own personal healing is within your fourth House,
[43:51] Speaker 1: which is of the home.
[43:53] Speaker 3: That's wild because I've been saying for years and years
[43:56] Speaker 3: and years over a decade now, when we heal ourselves,
[43:59] Speaker 3: we heal each each other. Like that is a key
[44:02] Speaker 3: statement that I use when I'm teaching, that I've written
[44:05] Speaker 3: about in books and essays, that I've spoken on stages
[44:09] Speaker 3: about like that is the central theme of my work
[44:13] Speaker 3: is self healing so that we can be that we
[44:16] Speaker 3: can be healing by example and giving other people the
[44:19] Speaker 3: permission by bearing witness to our healing, that they are
[44:23] Speaker 3: allowed to do the same in their lives. And so
[44:26] Speaker 3: man like.
[44:27] Speaker 2: That deeply, deeply, deeply resonates.
[44:31] Speaker 1: Yeah, and we don't have to hide it. And I
[44:33] Speaker 1: think that's one of the things that Chiron teaches us
[44:35] Speaker 1: because I think so many healers or people who have
[44:39] Speaker 1: been on healing journey, I feel they have to have
[44:41] Speaker 1: like completed their healing when like we really know, like
[44:44] Speaker 1: we've never you neverde And Kirn is like, no, you
[44:50] Speaker 1: can be in the process of healing, and that's even better,
[44:54] Speaker 1: Like show that process to people and with you. It's
[44:58] Speaker 1: going to be around the home, it's going to be
[45:00] Speaker 1: around your roots, it's going to be around your lineage.
[45:02] Speaker 1: That's where you have the deepest healing and the biggest
[45:06] Speaker 1: capacity to teach people healing from that place of showing like, oh,
[45:11] Speaker 1: I'm healing my roots, I'm healing these patterns that have
[45:15] Speaker 1: been in my family, in my lineage for so long.
[45:19] Speaker 1: I always think of there's that like Instagram where they
[45:22] Speaker 1: had like the glasses that were murky. Do you know
[45:25] Speaker 1: the one I'm talking about was like a video of
[45:28] Speaker 1: like and it was like one was the grandmother and
[45:30] Speaker 1: it was like water that was brown, and then the
[45:33] Speaker 1: mother and water that was brown, and it was like
[45:36] Speaker 1: the grandmother feeds the mother the brown water, and it's
[45:38] Speaker 1: like in the glasses, and then the you know that teacher,
[45:43] Speaker 1: you know, goes into the daughter who would be like you,
[45:47] Speaker 1: you know, the murky water, and then and your daughter
[45:50] Speaker 1: would have an empty cup and for you to get
[45:53] Speaker 1: that water clear in that empty cup, you have to
[45:55] Speaker 1: keep pouring clear water into your murky water over and
[45:59] Speaker 1: over again, like flush it out. And that's that's like
[46:03] Speaker 1: the symbol of that like that pattern of healing and
[46:06] Speaker 1: our lineage just like we're just passed down this kind
[46:09] Speaker 1: of murky water until we take the time to heal
[46:13] Speaker 1: and you know, pour in clean water, whatever that might be,
[46:16] Speaker 1: whatever tools, whatever that symbolizes, over and over and over
[46:20] Speaker 1: and over and over again until we finally have clear
[46:22] Speaker 1: water to pour into our daughter's cup or sun's cop Wow.
[46:29] Speaker 1: And that like as we're talking, I'm thinking of that,
[46:33] Speaker 1: Like with your chiron and cancer in that fourth house
[46:38] Speaker 1: is speaking a lot to that kind of imagery.
[46:42] Speaker 2: I relate big time.
[46:46] Speaker 1: The charts are fascinating. The charts are just so so interesting.
[46:51] Speaker 1: Let's talk about what's coming up for you though, because
[46:53] Speaker 1: there's some important things coming up. So Jupiter enters Leo
[46:57] Speaker 1: June twenty ninth, and this is the time since twenty fourteen,
[47:01] Speaker 1: and when it does is going to meet your son.
[47:04] Speaker 1: It's going to meet your mercury, it's going to meet
[47:06] Speaker 1: your Mars, it's going to meet your self. Note Jupiter
[47:09] Speaker 1: expands everything it touches, and so this is a time
[47:13] Speaker 1: of actual great expansion for you. Like it's going to
[47:16] Speaker 1: first touch your son, it'll conjunct your son about the
[47:20] Speaker 1: end of the summer. And so this is a time
[47:22] Speaker 1: when that vulnerability piece might be really challenge because you're
[47:28] Speaker 1: going Jupiter is going to go. Okay, let's be more
[47:31] Speaker 1: visible let's be more your leo self. I'm going to
[47:35] Speaker 1: expand that inner sun to an even greater degree. So
[47:39] Speaker 1: I would start preparing for that now, like end of summer,
[47:42] Speaker 1: you might find yourself being even more visible than you
[47:46] Speaker 1: are now.
[47:48] Speaker 5: You know, sorry, no, thanks, Universe know things, and it
[47:55] Speaker 5: might just be like, okay, if people start calling me
[47:58] Speaker 5: for things or talks or whatever, or like, this is
[48:01] Speaker 5: my bank of replies to.
[48:02] Speaker 1: Say no, Like that might just be your prep for this,
[48:05] Speaker 1: you know, but I would be prepared for this expansion
[48:08] Speaker 1: around your son. And then it will conjuncture mercury. That'll
[48:13] Speaker 1: be more like the fall. That'll be a really great
[48:15] Speaker 1: time to dive back into writing, into communication, into journaling.
[48:20] Speaker 1: And so that could just be a time that like
[48:23] Speaker 1: you kind of go back in You're like, Okay, I'm
[48:26] Speaker 1: done being visible or I'm done saying no to being visible,
[48:29] Speaker 1: and you know, and now jupiters can chunt my mercury.
[48:32] Speaker 1: This is great for a writer. This is like an
[48:34] Speaker 1: extraordinary conjunction for a writer. It just your words can
[48:38] Speaker 1: reach further both into your own heart and into other people.
[48:42] Speaker 1: And so you know, be great, Like if you're planning
[48:46] Speaker 1: on I don't know if you're writing another book, but
[48:48] Speaker 1: you know or like literally yeah yeah right now, it's
[48:51] Speaker 1: like you are, yeah, well, the fall is going to
[48:55] Speaker 1: be like prime time, like end of summerfall, like to
[48:59] Speaker 1: get deep into that process, very deep. And then next
[49:04] Speaker 1: year it'll conjunct your Mars and South node and so
[49:07] Speaker 1: this will give you some fire to go after what
[49:09] Speaker 1: you really want. And so if there's something you really want,
[49:13] Speaker 1: like maybe you want a different kind of structure or
[49:16] Speaker 1: a different deal or your next book just as an example,
[49:20] Speaker 1: or you really want something else in your life, maybe
[49:22] Speaker 1: it doesn't even have anything to do with work, but
[49:24] Speaker 1: it's like this is the time. That's like Jupiter is
[49:26] Speaker 1: going to be like I am. I am blowing up
[49:30] Speaker 1: that Mars in a good way, and I'm going to
[49:33] Speaker 1: use that like directness and go for what I want.
[49:36] Speaker 2: Okay, I will make note of that.
[49:40] Speaker 1: Make And then you are also going into a complete
[49:45] Speaker 1: nodal return, so the nodes will shift into Aquarius and
[49:49] Speaker 1: Leo end of July and that's where your your nodes are.
[49:54] Speaker 1: And so this happens every eighteen and a half years.
[49:58] Speaker 1: You're going into this eight teen and a half year
[50:01] Speaker 1: transit that only occurs you know a couple times in
[50:05] Speaker 1: our life, and so this is huge for you because
[50:08] Speaker 1: this will help you make leaps, huge shifts in your
[50:14] Speaker 1: nodal path, which is really from Leo to Aquarius and
[50:19] Speaker 1: so the next and it'll be there for about eighteen months.
[50:22] Speaker 1: So starting in July, you have eighteen months where the
[50:26] Speaker 1: universe is going to say, okay, step up, become that
[50:29] Speaker 1: thought leader. What are you giving to the collective? It
[50:32] Speaker 1: might even kind of create this entire spiritual recalibration for you,
[50:38] Speaker 1: or you're like, Okay, who am I, what am I doing?
[50:41] Speaker 1: What is my place in the world, What am I
[50:43] Speaker 1: really offering? And what am I giving to people? And
[50:46] Speaker 1: getting like really really clear on that during this nodal return,
[50:50] Speaker 1: and so that's coming up for you. I always see
[50:53] Speaker 1: when anybody ever goes through notal return, there's like big shifts,
[50:56] Speaker 1: like really big shifts, like in work and career and
[50:58] Speaker 1: what they're doing with they're folks used on how they're
[51:02] Speaker 1: presenting themselves, what they're asking for their worth, like it
[51:06] Speaker 1: all just kind of gets like revamped and recalibrated and
[51:12] Speaker 1: for you, because it's like Leo to Aquarius, Aquarius again,
[51:15] Speaker 1: is that collective thought leader and so there is this
[51:20] Speaker 1: highlight is illumination of that part of your chart over
[51:24] Speaker 1: the next eighteen months. Okay, get ready, And July is
[51:32] Speaker 1: my birth month.
[51:33] Speaker 3: So is that normal for it to fall there or
[51:36] Speaker 3: just that just is happening.
[51:38] Speaker 1: That's just happening. It's not normal for that. No, that
[51:41] Speaker 1: doesn't happen to everybody. So it's actually the day after
[51:45] Speaker 1: the July twenty six is when the note shift. So
[51:48] Speaker 1: you'll go there yep in your notdle return within the
[51:53] Speaker 1: within two days?
[51:54] Speaker 2: Oh my god? What am I supposed to do with that?
[51:57] Speaker 3: Like? How do I take care of myself through that time?
[52:00] Speaker 3: Do I just like let it happen? Like how do
[52:03] Speaker 3: we What do you tell your clients when that happens
[52:06] Speaker 3: to them?
[52:07] Speaker 1: Well, I think with a notmbal return, you want to
[52:08] Speaker 1: get really clear on what you want where your headn't oh,
[52:15] Speaker 1: and what your fears are? What's calling you? Like what
[52:20] Speaker 1: like internally is calling you that you might have been
[52:23] Speaker 1: ignoring so kind of looking in like oh like, oh
[52:28] Speaker 1: this thing is really calling me. But I've been putting
[52:30] Speaker 1: it off because it makes me feel vulnerable or it
[52:32] Speaker 1: makes me feel scared, or I don't feel like I'm
[52:34] Speaker 1: good enough or I don't feel like I've done enough work.
[52:37] Speaker 1: So you really want to look at like what is
[52:39] Speaker 1: whispering to you? What's calling you? And why you might
[52:42] Speaker 1: not be going there or why you might be deflecting
[52:44] Speaker 1: or why you might be like you know, and it
[52:47] Speaker 1: kind of gets into a different layer of healing where
[52:50] Speaker 1: it's like my potential is in front of me, and
[52:54] Speaker 1: am I sabotaging it? Am I avoiding it? And why noted?
[53:04] Speaker 1: But you know it's end is to understand that like
[53:06] Speaker 1: you're on this leo aquarious axis. You have all this leo,
[53:10] Speaker 1: like the spotlight is always going to be calling you,
[53:13] Speaker 1: You're always going to be boundaries with it, but what
[53:16] Speaker 1: really is calling your soul? Like what what does your
[53:20] Speaker 1: soul want to do in this lifetime?
[53:26] Speaker 2: Okay?
[53:27] Speaker 1: And are you allowing that to happen? And if you're not? Why,
[53:35] Speaker 1: Well that's what a notle return is really great for.
[53:37] Speaker 1: It's just like I know this is my karmac path
[53:40] Speaker 1: and I know I'm not walking in this is why?
[53:44] Speaker 6: What is?
[53:46] Speaker 3: Because I want to loop it back to like relationships too,
[53:51] Speaker 3: Like what is my chart saying about my relationships, my friendships,
[53:56] Speaker 3: my intimate relationships, my romantic relationship, Like what is it saying.
[54:03] Speaker 1: Let me look at your seventh house. You don't have
[54:08] Speaker 1: a lot in the seventh house. That's usually like what
[54:10] Speaker 1: I look at for relationships. I was going to ask
[54:14] Speaker 1: you because you are going to be going through a
[54:17] Speaker 1: really big transition, and you know you talk about the
[54:20] Speaker 1: company you keep, like what is the company you need
[54:23] Speaker 1: for support during? Because that's another piece, like what do
[54:27] Speaker 1: you need for support during this next quantum leap of
[54:32] Speaker 1: evolution that you're about to enter? And so I think
[54:36] Speaker 1: that's an important thing for you to consider. Your seventh
[54:40] Speaker 1: thousand is ruled by Libra, and so which is Libra's
[54:44] Speaker 1: home in the seventh house. But you don't have a
[54:46] Speaker 1: lot of You don't have any placements there, which means
[54:49] Speaker 1: you don't have a ton of drama in your intimate relationships,
[54:53] Speaker 1: which is nice. People are always asking me, like I
[54:55] Speaker 1: don't have anything in this house? Is it empty? Like
[54:58] Speaker 1: do I have this area in my life? And like
[54:59] Speaker 1: you have the area of your life. Houses are areas
[55:02] Speaker 1: of your life, So of course you have relationships, but
[55:05] Speaker 1: for you, like without any placements there, there's not like
[55:08] Speaker 1: a ton of drama. There's not like aspects, there's not
[55:10] Speaker 1: a t square, there's not an opposition, and so that's great.
[55:14] Speaker 1: And but the libra there, it's like you really understand
[55:18] Speaker 1: in partnerships balance and you really understand like, Okay, I'm
[55:23] Speaker 1: giving too much, you're taking too much. How do we recalibrate?
[55:28] Speaker 1: And so I think in all of your relationships, that's
[55:30] Speaker 1: a really important piece to understand. You understand it inherently.
[55:36] Speaker 1: It's important for you to understand that not everybody gets that. Yeah,
[55:40] Speaker 1: you naturally get that. You naturally are like I'm giving
[55:43] Speaker 1: too much, you're taking too much, or there's codependency here,
[55:47] Speaker 1: or there's you're creating drama to take my energy, or
[55:50] Speaker 1: you get that those nuances that come up in relationships,
[55:54] Speaker 1: not everybody does. And so that's really important for you
[56:01] Speaker 1: in your relationships.
[56:03] Speaker 2: Good to know.
[56:04] Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, but it was so great talking to you.
[56:09] Speaker 1: And I'm really excited about your book. Do you have
[56:12] Speaker 1: any other questions about your chart? I know we went
[56:15] Speaker 1: through like so much. You can always rewatch this podcast.
[56:19] Speaker 3: Tested I'm going to rewatch it. I am going to
[56:22] Speaker 3: listen to it. I'm going to take notes on it.
[56:25] Speaker 3: All of the things I feel very seen and that
[56:30] Speaker 3: and affirmed.
[56:31] Speaker 2: I do.
[56:31] Speaker 3: I feel affirmed, I feel aligned, and I feel seen.
[56:34] Speaker 3: So thank you so much for doing this for me.
[56:37] Speaker 3: And I'm excited to have this information to know how
[56:42] Speaker 3: to navigate this thing called life a little bit better.
[56:46] Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, exactly, And I think the big takeaway is
[56:50] Speaker 1: remember when you're speaking, you're speaking from the lion's mouth.
[56:53] Speaker 2: Yes, I'm doing I'm learning.
[56:57] Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's not that you nit bate, You're just
[56:59] Speaker 1: you know, not everybody. It's about who's receiving it right now.
[57:01] Speaker 1: Everybody's ready to receive that and a relationship same thing.
[57:05] Speaker 1: Not everybody understands the balance and energetics of relationships like
[57:09] Speaker 1: you do.
[57:10] Speaker 6: Yeah.
[57:10] Speaker 1: And then you are on this path of leo, which
[57:13] Speaker 1: is driven from the heart, you know, but also a
[57:17] Speaker 1: path of healing too. You know, you're healing some really
[57:20] Speaker 1: deep wounds again, centered into the heart and really to
[57:25] Speaker 1: give to the greater collective. Like everything for you in
[57:29] Speaker 1: your chart is about giving to the greater collective. And
[57:33] Speaker 1: that's the big leap that you are going to make.
[57:37] Speaker 1: I mean, you already do it, but there's a there's
[57:39] Speaker 1: an up level coming during this nole return. Okay, I'm
[57:44] Speaker 1: I'm excited for you.
[57:46] Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you so much.
[57:49] Speaker 1: Yeah, thanks for coming out. Tell people where they can
[57:52] Speaker 1: find you, where they can find your book, all of
[57:54] Speaker 1: those things.
[57:55] Speaker 3: So you can find me on Instagram. My business page
[57:59] Speaker 3: is at alex Underscore E L L E. You can
[58:03] Speaker 3: find me on substack at alexl dot substack dot com.
[58:07] Speaker 3: This new book is out wherever books are sold on
[58:11] Speaker 3: May nineteenth.
[58:12] Speaker 2: What else?
[58:13] Speaker 3: My other books, How We Heal After the Rain, so on,
[58:16] Speaker 3: so forth are also available wherever books are sold. And
[58:22] Speaker 3: do I have anything else coming up? Oh, I'm going
[58:23] Speaker 3: on tour. So by the time you guys hear this,
[58:26] Speaker 3: I will be on the road seven cities, ten days.
[58:30] Speaker 3: It's going to be wonderful. And if you're looking to
[58:35] Speaker 3: kind of relax and lean into community and do some
[58:40] Speaker 3: introspective work. I will be teaching at the Omega Institute
[58:43] Speaker 3: this fall in October, a weekend writing retreat. So there's
[58:47] Speaker 3: I'm all over the place, and I'm really excited to
[58:51] Speaker 3: just be in community with people, and of course for
[58:53] Speaker 3: people to get this new book and to enrich their lives.
[58:56] Speaker 3: So Jill, thank you so much. This was amazing.
[58:59] Speaker 1: Thanks so much. Are you coming to LA on your
[59:01] Speaker 1: book tour.
[59:02] Speaker 3: I am coming to La Yeah, okay, great, Okay, I
[59:05] Speaker 3: will be there.
[59:05] Speaker 2: I would love to see you.
[59:07] Speaker 1: Okay, awesome. Well, thanks for coming on and enjoy your
[59:11] Speaker 1: Leo nis.
[59:12] Speaker 2: Oh my goodness leaning into the Leo Eliah.
[59:16] Speaker 1: Bye bye. Thank you so much for listening today. I
[59:22] Speaker 1: hope this episode sparks something within you, maybe a new
[59:26] Speaker 1: way of.
[59:26] Speaker 6: Seeing yourself, or a question worth sitting with, or maybe
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[1:00:07] Speaker 1: you soon.

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