# Roger Bonds on Diddy & Cassie’s relationship, Biggie, R. Kelly’s backstage drama with Jay-Z & freeing his son from prison

An episode of [The Real Report with Tony Yayo and Uncle Murda](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1875984132), 31 Aug 2026, 1 h 36 min.

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Former Diddy bodyguard Roger Bonds joins Tony Yayo and Uncle Murda on The Real Report to unpack the loyalty, prison bids and high-stakes music-industry experiences behind his book. Bonds recalls the Jay-Z and R. Kelly Best of Both Worlds incident, Diddy’s tension with 50 Cent, what he says he witnessed during Diddy and Cassie’s relationship, and why he ultimately decided to speak out. He also opens up about his son’s imprisonment in Namibia, the fight to bring him home, and the hard lessons he learned about loyalty, money and family. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:00] Speaker 1: So I see, yeah, yo, yeah, yo, like, yo, Barnes,
[0:01] Speaker 1: what's up? I'm like, yo, what's up? We kicking it.
[0:05] Speaker 1: When we get in the hallway, Puffy's like, yo, man,
[0:07] Speaker 1: I want to snuff that 50. I said, what? Because
[0:11] Speaker 1: him and 50, like, and I tell people this all
[0:13] Speaker 1: the time. I'm here. They beef is here. That's outside
[0:19] Speaker 1: of my pay range.
[0:20] Speaker 2: I don't know what the is going on.
[0:22] Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying?
[0:23] Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying?
[0:24] Speaker 1: Like if a ask you like, yo, I don't know.
[0:26] Speaker 1: That's over my pay grade.
[0:29] Speaker 2: I don't know.
[0:30] Speaker 1: Because one minute I see these they speak. Next minute
[0:34] Speaker 1: I see these don't speak. I don't know what's going on.
[0:36] Speaker 1: So I don't even ask them. But I know I
[0:38] Speaker 1: told them one thing this time. I said, yo, if
[0:41] Speaker 1: you punch that in the face, do you see how
[0:44] Speaker 1: many we got to fight? But that's your man, though.
[0:48] Speaker 1: That's his man. You understand what I'm saying? The only
[1:10] Speaker 1: two lives in life that almost killed me. But see,
[1:13] Speaker 1: a lot of people think I'm talking about just the
[1:15] Speaker 1: ditty life that almost killed me. When you get the book,
[1:18] Speaker 1: it's so much that almost killed me. You know what
[1:21] Speaker 1: I'm saying?
[1:21] Speaker 2: Well, let's get into that. Tell me.
[1:23] Speaker 3: Are we taping? All right, copy. Yeah, talk about it.
[1:25] Speaker 1: Yeah, nah, see, when you get the book, I focus
[1:29] Speaker 1: on the Diddy situation because, of course, he's Diddy. And
[1:32] Speaker 1: that's the biggest situation. That's bigger than me. Right. But
[1:36] Speaker 1: it's a message that I've been trying to tell for
[1:38] Speaker 1: the longest.
[1:39] Speaker 4: Right.
[1:39] Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? Like life, man.
[1:41] Speaker 2: Come on.
[1:41] Speaker 1: We talking about locked up for a body at 16. Right.
[1:46] Speaker 1: We talking about let go, beat that, then get locked
[1:49] Speaker 1: up for another body at 19. You know what I'm saying?
[1:52] Speaker 1: Had to do time for that one, though. But we
[1:55] Speaker 1: talking about that life that almost killed me also. So
[1:58] Speaker 1: we mixing them both. So when you finish with that life,
[2:01] Speaker 1: you thinking like, yeah, okay, I'm ready to get into
[2:04] Speaker 1: this life because I'm tired of that life. You know
[2:06] Speaker 1: what I'm saying?
[2:07] Speaker 2: The music business.
[2:08] Speaker 1: The music business, period.
[2:10] Speaker 2: Yeah, my shit started getting shot up when I was
[2:12] Speaker 2: in the music business.
[2:12] Speaker 5: And by the way, people, this is Roger Barnes.
[2:15] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[2:17] Speaker 3: Puff, former security.
[2:18] Speaker 4: Yeah, ex-bodyguard for Puff Daddy. He got the book out.
[2:23] Speaker 4: And like he said, it's not all about Puff. It's
[2:25] Speaker 4: about his life in general. And he's just talking about
[2:27] Speaker 4: his situation. He's a good friend of mine. Make sure
[2:29] Speaker 4: y'all go get the book. Where we can get the
[2:30] Speaker 4: book at?
[2:31] Speaker 1: Get the book everywhere. Amazon.
[2:33] Speaker 5: Walmart, Barnes and Noble, Shopify, Books-A-Million.
[2:40] Speaker 1: This ain't the average, just this hood book where I'm
[2:43] Speaker 1: just letting it go for my bio.
[2:45] Speaker 2: It's all over the place.
[2:47] Speaker 4: We both was locked up together. He was one of
[2:48] Speaker 4: the real ones on Rikers. So I told him I
[2:51] Speaker 4: have to have him come on the show. He's not
[2:53] Speaker 4: a guy that's like a gossip guy. a real street dude.
[2:55] Speaker 1: Rob Markman Yeah, but you want to gossip though.
[2:57] Speaker 2: Rob Markman No, no, we don't want to gossip. Rob
[2:58] Speaker 2: Markman No, we don't.
[3:00] Speaker 4: Rob Markman No, we just want to talk some real.
[3:01] Speaker 4: Rob Markman Because like you said, the book is about
[3:04] Speaker 4: your life. That stuff, I knew you for years. I
[3:06] Speaker 4: didn't know that you had a body of I'm charged
[3:09] Speaker 4: at 16.
[3:10] Speaker 2: And then another one at 19. I just know you from.
[3:13] Speaker 3: You beat the body at 16 though, so we beat
[3:14] Speaker 3: that one.
[3:15] Speaker 2: Yeah, beat the body. Beat one body, but got charged
[3:17] Speaker 2: for another, right?
[3:17] Speaker 1: Right.
[3:18] Speaker 2: I didn't know any of that.
[3:18] Speaker 1: Well, the second one I turned myself in for.
[3:21] Speaker 2: Okay.
[3:21] Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? They ain't even care. Matter
[3:23] Speaker 1: of fact, the night- What made you do that, man?
[3:25] Speaker 1: Because it was my man, and that's what I mean
[3:26] Speaker 1: by loyalty.
[3:27] Speaker 3: Okay, gotcha. You know what I'm saying?
[3:28] Speaker 1: That's why I say my loyalty go to a whole different,
[3:32] Speaker 1: like people talk shit about Puffy, that nigga not a
[3:34] Speaker 1: loyal nigga. I'm loyal to a fault. You know what
[3:38] Speaker 1: I'm saying? But- When you getting that type of money
[3:40] Speaker 1: and you that type of person and you a narcissist
[3:44] Speaker 1: and you manipulate, you know how to use that against
[3:46] Speaker 1: a person like me. I know he know you. He
[3:48] Speaker 1: ain't going to say nothing. He ain't going to do nothing.
[3:49] Speaker 1: He ain't going to do this. But back to what
[3:51] Speaker 1: you were saying, murder at 19, I got locked up
[3:54] Speaker 1: for a body at the rooftop roller skating rink. Right.
[3:59] Speaker 1: It happened so fast, man, that my man was arguing.
[4:03] Speaker 1: So when I came out, the dude was like, yo,
[4:05] Speaker 1: now I'm 19 now. I'm 59 right now. So imagine
[4:09] Speaker 1: what I looked like at 19. You know what I'm saying?
[4:11] Speaker 1: So it was like, fuck y'all go get him. But
[4:14] Speaker 1: he ain't know my dialogue. Anybody else knew what they
[4:18] Speaker 1: came and got me for. He ain't know what they
[4:20] Speaker 1: came and got me for. So make a long story short,
[4:24] Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying? My man got locked up
[4:26] Speaker 1: for the body two weeks later. You know what I'm saying?
[4:29] Speaker 1: The police locked me up first, right? But when the
[4:31] Speaker 1: police ran me, they say, yo, he only 18. They said, yo,
[4:35] Speaker 1: he ain't got no records. So they start asking me
[4:37] Speaker 1: questions about my man who got me by 10 years.
[4:39] Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? So they like, yo, where
[4:42] Speaker 1: he at? So I see what they doing. So I say, yo,
[4:45] Speaker 1: last time I seen him, he was at the movie theater.
[4:48] Speaker 1: And they kind of figured that I wasn't going to
[4:50] Speaker 1: realize that two of them disappeared. They actually went to
[4:53] Speaker 1: the movie theater that I told them and they was
[4:55] Speaker 1: looking for him. You know what I'm saying? So when
[4:57] Speaker 1: they came back, they said, you know what, we're going
[4:59] Speaker 1: to let him go. Because they said they locked me
[5:01] Speaker 1: up for not having no license. I know for a fact,
[5:04] Speaker 1: everybody know when you grow up in the hood, four
[5:06] Speaker 1: deep is not locking you up for license. Four deep
[5:09] Speaker 1: is homicide.
[5:09] Speaker 2: Yeah, we taking them in. We taking them in.
[5:12] Speaker 1: You already know. Four deep, that's homicide. You ducking. So
[5:15] Speaker 1: I seen them. So I just played like I ain't
[5:17] Speaker 1: know nothing. I said, nah, not my license.
[5:19] Speaker 3: They let me go.
[5:21] Speaker 1: So I went and told my man. I said, yo,
[5:22] Speaker 1: they let me go. He said, I'm going to go
[5:24] Speaker 1: get the car because the car was in his name.
[5:27] Speaker 1: I said, nah, I don't want the car, yo. I said, yo,
[5:29] Speaker 1: this is about that body. He said, nah, this ain't
[5:32] Speaker 1: about that body, kid. They let you go. And when
[5:36] Speaker 1: he went down there to get the car, they locked
[5:38] Speaker 1: him up for the body. And the police told me
[5:41] Speaker 1: they sell. They said, yo, we know what happened. They said,
[5:46] Speaker 1: but you got your whole life ahead of you. My
[5:49] Speaker 1: man had already been through the system two or three
[5:51] Speaker 1: times for the same thing, but they could never catch him.
[5:55] Speaker 1: So they said, oh, we got him dead to the
[5:57] Speaker 1: right now.
[5:57] Speaker 3: Got you.
[5:58] Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? So I went and got
[6:00] Speaker 1: the lawyer. I said, listen, if I turn myself in,
[6:03] Speaker 1: what I'm looking at, he said, this is what you're
[6:05] Speaker 1: looking at. He said, I think I can get you
[6:07] Speaker 1: a 5 to 15, a 3 to 9. He said,
[6:10] Speaker 1: because their case is all fucked up now because you
[6:13] Speaker 1: saying you caught the body and the witness they got
[6:16] Speaker 1: is saying that he caught the body.
[6:17] Speaker 3: Got you.
[6:18] Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? So he said, I can
[6:19] Speaker 1: get you that. I said, you can get me that?
[6:22] Speaker 1: He said, I can get you that. So first I
[6:24] Speaker 1: was like, all right, let me go all the way
[6:27] Speaker 1: with it. But I'm going to be real with you.
[6:28] Speaker 1: My man was calling me every day, yo, kid, you
[6:30] Speaker 1: really going to do that? I said, I'm going to
[6:32] Speaker 1: do that, man. I said, yo, but it's December 23rd
[6:34] Speaker 1: right now. I said, I'm going to turn myself in
[6:36] Speaker 1: January 2nd.
[6:38] Speaker 3: I got to enjoy Christmas and New Year's.
[6:40] Speaker 1: I got to enjoy Christmas.
[6:43] Speaker 3: And New Year's. I respect that. That's solid. That's solid.
[6:47] Speaker 1: I said, January 2nd, I'm going to turn myself in.
[6:49] Speaker 1: Let me get the first out the way.
[6:51] Speaker 2: Because your man that was locked up was trying to
[6:53] Speaker 2: get home for Christmas.
[6:53] Speaker 3: He called me every day.
[6:56] Speaker 1: And I'm like, hold up. A nigga ain't really supposed
[6:58] Speaker 1: to be doing this shit. And I'm going to be
[7:00] Speaker 1: real with you. My pops is in my ear. My
[7:02] Speaker 1: father's in my ear.
[7:03] Speaker 2: Your pops is like, yo, you bugging, you bugging.
[7:05] Speaker 1: My father said, yo, you in the streets, he in
[7:07] Speaker 1: the streets, and we know how the streets work. If
[7:10] Speaker 1: you got away, you got away, son. Don't fuck your
[7:14] Speaker 1: life up.
[7:14] Speaker 3: And I'm like, nah.
[7:15] Speaker 2: I agree with your dad on that one.
[7:18] Speaker 1: I agree with him now, but I ain't agree with
[7:20] Speaker 1: him back then.
[7:20] Speaker 3: Because of how things turned out between you and home,
[7:22] Speaker 3: I guess.
[7:23] Speaker 1: Nah, nah, that's my man.
[7:25] Speaker 3: Oh, okay, okay, okay.
[7:25] Speaker 1: To this day, that's still my man.
[7:27] Speaker 2: You know that's his man. He took the bid. Yeah.
[7:30] Speaker 1: And what made me mad about that murder, to tell
[7:32] Speaker 1: you the truth, is when I came home, he ended
[7:35] Speaker 1: up clapping the nigga anyway and doing seven years. So
[7:39] Speaker 1: I said, damn, nigga, you could've took that first one
[7:41] Speaker 1: if that was the case. Word.
[7:43] Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying? All right, I get it.
[7:45] Speaker 1: Okay, I get it.
[7:45] Speaker 3: Okay, I get it. Okay, I got it, too.
[7:47] Speaker 2: See, this is why we never do that time for murder.
[7:49] Speaker 2: I always feel that.
[7:50] Speaker 3: Grimey-ass nigga. Y'all see my grimey-ass.
[7:52] Speaker 2: Co-host, man?
[7:53] Speaker 3: Can't fuck with this nigga, man.
[7:54] Speaker 2: You do the time for murder, come out and clap it, nigga.
[7:56] Speaker 1: You come out and clap it, nigga.
[7:58] Speaker 2: Like, when a nigga do something like that, that's what
[8:00] Speaker 2: God told you. Say what your dad said. The streets,
[8:02] Speaker 2: what he said.
[8:03] Speaker 1: We in the streets.
[8:04] Speaker 3: We know how it go.
[8:04] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[8:04] Speaker 3: You know how it go. We in the streets.
[8:06] Speaker 1: He in the streets.
[8:07] Speaker 2: He a real loyal one for that one.
[8:09] Speaker 1: And he said, you my son and everything. He said,
[8:11] Speaker 1: don't do it. I said, nah, I'm going to go
[8:12] Speaker 1: do it. And I went down there and I did it.
[8:14] Speaker 3: And what'd you want him again for that?
[8:16] Speaker 1: 5 to 15.
[8:16] Speaker 3: 5 to 15? Look at that. Look at that. It
[8:17] Speaker 3: wasn't bad.
[8:18] Speaker 1: I ended up getting 5 to 15. Remember, Cuomo was
[8:20] Speaker 1: in office then, right?
[8:20] Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, that wasn't bad.
[8:21] Speaker 1: Not only did I get 5 to 15.
[8:22] Speaker 3: For a body back then? Oh, my God.
[8:24] Speaker 1: Not only did I get 5 to 15, I did
[8:26] Speaker 1: 3 1⁄2. You know what I'm saying? And then they
[8:30] Speaker 1: gave me work release. They don't give work release to
[8:32] Speaker 1: violent people no more. But when Cuomo was in there,
[8:35] Speaker 1: if you went up north and kept your nose clean,
[8:37] Speaker 1: you coming home on the body.
[8:39] Speaker 2: That's crazy.
[8:40] Speaker 1: I did three and a half. Then I came out
[8:42] Speaker 1: on work release. But the only thing is on work release,
[8:44] Speaker 1: she slammed me. You know what I'm saying? I went
[8:48] Speaker 1: to the parole board a year and a half. She said, oh,
[8:51] Speaker 1: I don't know how you got this time. And she
[8:53] Speaker 1: gave me two more years, but two more years of
[8:54] Speaker 1: work release. So I ended up doing three and a
[8:58] Speaker 1: half work release. I looked at work release as a
[8:59] Speaker 1: bank because I was getting money. So all I was
[9:03] Speaker 1: doing was taking the money that I got from work
[9:06] Speaker 1: and you got to turn that into work release. And
[9:08] Speaker 1: they hold that for when you leave. I'm at work
[9:11] Speaker 1: release for three and a half years and you holding
[9:12] Speaker 1: my checks. So I walked out of work release. My
[9:15] Speaker 1: car was parked in front of work release. Police used
[9:18] Speaker 1: to laugh at me. You know I seen you get
[9:20] Speaker 1: out of that car, right? Right. You seen me get
[9:22] Speaker 1: out of what car? You parked right around the corner
[9:24] Speaker 1: because you ain't supposed to drive enough in a work release.
[9:26] Speaker 1: I used to park and jump out the tinted window
[9:28] Speaker 1: car and then go in. You know what I'm saying?
[9:30] Speaker 1: Not only that, I see you on 117th Street.
[9:34] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[9:34] Speaker 1: Oh, you see me on 117th? So them work release
[9:36] Speaker 1: police be kind of different because They know you in
[9:40] Speaker 1: the streets and they know they see you in the streets.
[9:43] Speaker 1: So it's different. You ever wonder like when you're on
[9:45] Speaker 1: an island sometime or even when you go up north
[9:47] Speaker 1: and you say, where these niggas live at? Because I
[9:49] Speaker 1: don't never see these niggas. You know what I'm saying?
[9:51] Speaker 1: When you're in work release, you bump into them niggas.
[9:53] Speaker 1: So I used to bump into them all the time.
[9:55] Speaker 1: So long story short, I turned myself in for that.
[9:58] Speaker 1: Ended up doing the 5 to 15. Me and my
[10:00] Speaker 1: man still cool, still tight, but he just stopped getting money.
[10:04] Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? So when I see these
[10:06] Speaker 1: stories of niggas doing half of what I did, but
[10:09] Speaker 1: they did it for a nigga that's still getting money
[10:11] Speaker 1: and they took care of him, I'd be like, damn,
[10:13] Speaker 1: I wish I could do this shit all over again.
[10:15] Speaker 1: I'd do this shit for a nigga that's really getting
[10:16] Speaker 1: money for a long time. Not just going to go
[10:19] Speaker 1: out here and kill another. And he killed another nigga
[10:22] Speaker 1: who was robbing everybody. See, one thing about us, we
[10:25] Speaker 1: ain't never getting into no beef with niggas that was innocent.
[10:28] Speaker 1: We got into beef and caught bodies with niggas who
[10:31] Speaker 1: other niggas ain't have enough heart to take care of.
[10:34] Speaker 1: So when you got into it, you ain't have to
[10:36] Speaker 1: worry about a whole bunch of niggas telling, because they
[10:38] Speaker 1: was happy the nigga was gone. So you ain't have
[10:41] Speaker 1: to worry about nothing coming behind you. You know what
[10:43] Speaker 1: I'm saying? So I did that, came home, chilled for
[10:47] Speaker 1: about five years, and then loyalty caught me again.
[10:50] Speaker 2: And this is all in the book. Make sure you
[10:52] Speaker 2: catch the book.
[10:54] Speaker 1: And loyalty caught me again, but loyalty caught me on
[10:56] Speaker 1: the fair side this time. My man called me from jail.
[11:00] Speaker 1: He said, yo, B, nigga just ran off with eight kids.
[11:05] Speaker 1: So I said, yo, I thought you wasn't hustling no
[11:07] Speaker 1: more because the feds snatched him up. So this is
[11:11] Speaker 1: my man in one aspect. But on another aspect, you
[11:14] Speaker 1: just showed me that you wasn't my man because you
[11:16] Speaker 1: were scared to fuck with me when you was locked up.
[11:18] Speaker 1: So you lied to me and told me you wasn't
[11:20] Speaker 1: hustling no more. Because you were scared to give me
[11:24] Speaker 1: some shit so I could rock. So what he did
[11:26] Speaker 1: was he gave his girl some shit. So his girl,
[11:29] Speaker 1: niggas know that his girl, that he locked up. So
[11:33] Speaker 1: when niggas get the eight keys from his girl, they say, yo,
[11:35] Speaker 1: fuck you. We're not paying you. So now everything that
[11:38] Speaker 1: goes around comes around. He comes back and he calls me. Yeah,
[11:41] Speaker 1: I need you to go holler at somebody. All right,
[11:43] Speaker 1: we're going to skip the fact that you were still
[11:45] Speaker 1: doing what you're going to do. But yo, what happened?
[11:47] Speaker 1: Now he trying to tell my girl, she got to
[11:49] Speaker 1: give him some pussy and all that if he don't
[11:51] Speaker 1: get it. I said, all right, I'm going to go
[11:52] Speaker 1: holler at the nigga. So for me going to holler
[11:55] Speaker 1: at the nigga, I never knew that my man was
[11:57] Speaker 1: on the telephone and he caught me from that room
[12:02] Speaker 1: where them people come and get you. Come on. So
[12:05] Speaker 1: he's calling me with them people on the phone already.
[12:07] Speaker 1: So I just talked my way into a case. Because
[12:10] Speaker 1: I told the nigga I was going to go holler
[12:12] Speaker 1: at the nigga. In which I did go holler at
[12:14] Speaker 1: the nigga, right? The niggas, yo, I ain't know, yo, yo,
[12:18] Speaker 1: it's over. But now the feds is looking for this nigga.
[12:22] Speaker 1: So the girl goes and tells him, and my man
[12:24] Speaker 1: tells him the situation, and says, yo, my girl can't
[12:28] Speaker 1: find him. So guess who they come get? They come
[12:31] Speaker 1: get me to find that nigga. So I said, yeah,
[12:34] Speaker 1: what's my charge? Oh, a telephone charge, zero to five years.
[12:38] Speaker 1: I said, all right, so give me the five. And
[12:40] Speaker 1: I got up from the table and I left. And
[12:42] Speaker 1: I ended up doing that whole pound. And the charge
[12:45] Speaker 1: carries from zero to five. You know what I'm saying?
[12:49] Speaker 1: So they could have let me walk up out of
[12:50] Speaker 1: there and go home. But being that I didn't play
[12:52] Speaker 1: baseball with them niggas, they said, okay, you're going to
[12:54] Speaker 1: get the whole five. So they gave me the whole five.
[12:58] Speaker 4: Don't call me on them jail phones, man.
[13:00] Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? I tell everybody that now.
[13:02] Speaker 2: Don't call on them jail cell phones either.
[13:03] Speaker 1: Because one of my mans was with me when he called.
[13:07] Speaker 1: And nigga was in the back like this. Tell that
[13:10] Speaker 1: nigga I'm here with you. But I ain't get it.
[13:13] Speaker 1: Because I'm thinking this my man. He ain't gonna do
[13:15] Speaker 1: that to me, yo. And sure enough, he was on
[13:18] Speaker 1: the phone with them people.
[13:19] Speaker 3: He did that. Look at that.
[13:20] Speaker 2: There you go, man.
[13:21] Speaker 1: Don't talk on the phone. So that's why I say loyalty.
[13:23] Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? So now we get to
[13:25] Speaker 1: the puff situation.
[13:26] Speaker 4: Yeah, fast forward to that. Because, you know, we was
[13:29] Speaker 4: on the island together with Shelton, my man, Bonds. Like,
[13:31] Speaker 4: we got, this is my homie. And now we, you know,
[13:34] Speaker 4: he was on his way to success as well as
[13:36] Speaker 4: me at the same time on the island.
[13:39] Speaker 2: So, you know, I came home. He came home around
[13:42] Speaker 2: the same time, I believe. Right, right.
[13:44] Speaker 1: Nah, nah, then you went back.
[13:46] Speaker 2: Yeah, I went back the next day for a little
[13:48] Speaker 2: passport shit, right?
[13:49] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[13:49] Speaker 2: But you was home and you was with Puff. How
[13:52] Speaker 2: did you meet Puff Daddy? I know you from Harlem, but.
[13:54] Speaker 1: Nah, well, I was with Loon first.
[13:57] Speaker 2: Okay.
[13:57] Speaker 1: I was with Loon first. That was my man from
[13:59] Speaker 1: a kid. I was with Loon first. And then one
[14:02] Speaker 1: of my mans that came home from a body ended
[14:04] Speaker 1: up getting with Puff. But I used to take him
[14:06] Speaker 1: down there all the time. So Uncle Paulie was like, yo,
[14:09] Speaker 1: I be seeing that kid with Loon all the time. Yo,
[14:11] Speaker 1: what's the story? My man said, oh, you don't know Barnes?
[14:15] Speaker 1: Long story short, he gave me the stamp. So he said, yo,
[14:18] Speaker 1: come on down. Yo, we want to talk to you.
[14:20] Speaker 1: So when I went down there to talk to him,
[14:22] Speaker 1: you know, we started rocking together. And then it was
[14:25] Speaker 1: a situation with Jay-Z and R. Kelly in Madison Square Garden.
[14:31] Speaker 2: Oh, you was there for that?
[14:32] Speaker 1: They was on tour. Oh, yeah.
[14:33] Speaker 2: Jay-Z and R. Kelly.
[14:34] Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah.
[14:35] Speaker 2: I think Ty Ty may star Kelly back in the days.
[14:38] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[14:38] Speaker 1: So I was there for that.
[14:40] Speaker 3: Allegedly. So what happened?
[14:41] Speaker 2: Yeah, what happened there?
[14:42] Speaker 3: Yeah, what happened? All right.
[14:43] Speaker 1: So what happened was me and Puff went in. Me
[14:46] Speaker 1: and Puff went in. We was in the audience. And
[14:48] Speaker 1: then the lights went out. And the whole Madison Square
[14:51] Speaker 1: Garden for about 10 seconds. And then the lights came
[14:55] Speaker 1: back on. And R. Kelly was like, yo, I can't
[14:59] Speaker 1: do this. And he just dropped the mic and walked off.
[15:01] Speaker 1: So Puff looked at me. He said, yo, is that
[15:03] Speaker 1: shit for real, boss? I said, I don't know. I'm
[15:05] Speaker 1: out here just like you, man. I said, yo. And
[15:08] Speaker 1: he took off. So he took off running backstage. Now,
[15:11] Speaker 1: mind you, we in the regular audience.
[15:12] Speaker 3: Who took off running backstage, Puff?
[15:14] Speaker 2: Puff.
[15:14] Speaker 1: So, you know, when security see him, you know how
[15:16] Speaker 1: they be downstairs and they keep that line. When they
[15:18] Speaker 1: see him, of course, they going to move it. That's
[15:20] Speaker 1: Puff Daddy. So he runs up on Jay-Z. And he said, yo,
[15:23] Speaker 1: what's up? And Jay-Z was like, yo, man, what the fuck?
[15:25] Speaker 3: You read behind him? You read behind Puff? Yeah, I
[15:27] Speaker 3: was with him.
[15:28] Speaker 1: It was just me and him.
[15:29] Speaker 3: Okay.
[15:29] Speaker 1: So he said, yo, B, this nigga just left. So
[15:33] Speaker 1: I give it to Puff. You know what I'm saying?
[15:35] Speaker 1: He said, yo, don't worry about it. He said, yo,
[15:37] Speaker 1: we got this. He took the chain off his neck.
[15:39] Speaker 1: He had the big, crazy chain on. He gave it
[15:41] Speaker 1: to Jay-Z. He said, all of us is here. Mary
[15:44] Speaker 1: J was there. Your man Ja Rule was there.
[15:47] Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying? You know what he mean, nigga.
[15:52] Speaker 1: So everybody was there and Tata was standing right next
[15:57] Speaker 1: to me. So they talked for about 10 minutes. So
[16:00] Speaker 1: now R. Kelly and them getting ready to get back
[16:02] Speaker 1: on stage. So Tata was like, nah. Jay-Z went out front,
[16:06] Speaker 1: started performing again, telling everybody what's going on. So Tata
[16:11] Speaker 1: took the mace out of his pocket. I grabbed Puff,
[16:14] Speaker 1: I threw Puff behind me, because I ain't gonna lie,
[16:15] Speaker 1: R Kelly and them people had the hammers and everything out.
[16:17] Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying?
[16:18] Speaker 1: Oh yeah, they had the hammers out.
[16:20] Speaker 2: See, R Kelly is really a goon.
[16:22] Speaker 1: Yeah, he had the hammers out. So I pushed Puff
[16:25] Speaker 1: behind me. You know what I'm saying? Puff was like this.
[16:29] Speaker 1: He was like this in the back. I was like, yo, man,
[16:31] Speaker 1: just get back here, man. Just get back here.
[16:33] Speaker 2: Yeah, just chill out, man.
[16:33] Speaker 1: Yeah, I got this. You know what I'm saying? But
[16:35] Speaker 1: it's the first time he ever been with me, so
[16:37] Speaker 1: he really don't know, you know, what's going to happen.
[16:40] Speaker 2: How you move.
[16:40] Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. So then Ty Ty grabbed the dude. I
[16:44] Speaker 1: punched the first kid to try to get up on stage.
[16:46] Speaker 1: And then Ty Ty just hit everybody else.
[16:48] Speaker 3: One of our Kelly mans?
[16:49] Speaker 1: Yeah, one of our Kelly mans.
[16:50] Speaker 3: Okay, got it.
[16:51] Speaker 1: So now, Puff see this. Now he really hyped. Oh shit,
[16:54] Speaker 1: so he, I get me, now at this time I'm 260,
[16:57] Speaker 1: if you remember. I'm 260 and the muscle's coming out
[17:00] Speaker 1: my shoulder.
[17:00] Speaker 3: So I done popped.
[17:02] Speaker 1: This nigga right, put Puff behind me and Puff said,
[17:06] Speaker 1: yo get Ty, get Ty. So I grabbed Ty and
[17:09] Speaker 1: me and Ty run right across the stage that Jay-Z
[17:12] Speaker 1: is on, performing. We run right across, cause now the
[17:15] Speaker 1: police is looking for Ty Ty. Cause everybody's like this
[17:18] Speaker 1: back there. And yo, even R. Kelly, man, is like, yo,
[17:21] Speaker 1: Ty Ty, why you did that? Why you did that?
[17:24] Speaker 1: And I'm like, yo, come on, B, let's get the
[17:25] Speaker 1: fuck out of here. So when we got about in there,
[17:27] Speaker 1: I put Ty Ty on the yellow cab and I
[17:29] Speaker 1: went to daddy's house. And then later on that day,
[17:32] Speaker 1: Puff called me. He said, yo, where you at? I said,
[17:34] Speaker 1: I'm at daddy's house. He said, yo, come to 4040, man.
[17:37] Speaker 1: Somebody want to meet you. I said, who? He said, Jay.
[17:39] Speaker 1: Jay keep asking me, who you? Ty was talking about you. So,
[17:42] Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying? I went and met Jay
[17:44] Speaker 1: from there. And that's how the whole situation after that night,
[17:47] Speaker 1: Puff was like, yo, B, I'm comfortable. I'm comfortable with this.
[17:51] Speaker 1: For sure.
[17:51] Speaker 2: You seen him knock down one of R. Kelly's bands?
[17:53] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[17:54] Speaker 2: And that was the album Best of Both Worlds. Remember?
[17:57] Speaker 1: Yeah, that was the Best of Both Worlds. So now
[17:59] Speaker 1: the funny thing about that is your man Fat Joe.
[18:03] Speaker 3: Okay. Joe was there?
[18:04] Speaker 1: Nah, Fat Joe wasn't there. But now Fat Joe calls Puff.
[18:08] Speaker 1: I said, yo, you know who you got with you, right?
[18:12] Speaker 1: He said, ooh, you got bonds with you? Yo, Puff,
[18:16] Speaker 1: he the truth. So after that, Puff was like, yo, what?
[18:20] Speaker 1: Because Puff ain't know me. So Joe spoke up on me,
[18:23] Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying? And Joe had a B
[18:24] Speaker 1: for game in them back in the days from the
[18:26] Speaker 1: 50 Cent situation. So Puff, man, what's his name from
[18:33] Speaker 1: out of L.A.? The game talk about him on the app, DMACC.
[18:39] Speaker 1: So DMACC is, Game is doing a show, but Joe
[18:44] Speaker 1: and them is down there at the spot. So Puff
[18:46] Speaker 1: calls me, said, yo, I need you to do me
[18:47] Speaker 1: a favor. What? I need you to go with DMACC
[18:50] Speaker 1: because Joe already told me how you and him is.
[18:53] Speaker 1: So I need you to roll with DMACC down there
[18:55] Speaker 1: just to make sure ain't no situation jump off. And
[18:58] Speaker 1: ever since then, I started rocking with homie each and
[19:01] Speaker 1: every day. So he knew the loyalty was there because
[19:03] Speaker 1: it came from so many different people in the business. Like, yo, homie,
[19:07] Speaker 1: you don't know? So that's when I say the loyalty
[19:10] Speaker 1: almost killed me because now it's a such thing as
[19:13] Speaker 1: loyalty to a fault. Nigga like me is loyalty to
[19:16] Speaker 1: the fault. Like, you got to really bring it to
[19:19] Speaker 1: me and show me that this motherfucker ain't my man.
[19:23] Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying?
[19:23] Speaker 2: I feel like that too. I feel like that too.
[19:26] Speaker 1: And in reality, that's bad.
[19:28] Speaker 3: It is.
[19:29] Speaker 1: Yeah, it is.
[19:30] Speaker 5: When you already be seeing signs. But you keep like
[19:33] Speaker 5: ignoring it a little bit like.
[19:35] Speaker 3: Nah, it's my, but you see signs. You try to
[19:37] Speaker 3: ignore this shit.
[19:38] Speaker 4: I think when you over loyal, it makes your circle
[19:40] Speaker 4: smaller and it's more isolation.
[19:44] Speaker 2: You more by yourself.
[19:45] Speaker 4: I think it's just because when you have people around
[19:47] Speaker 4: your whole life being loyal to, and you nowhere.
[19:51] Speaker 2: And then you'll see people.
[19:53] Speaker 4: Come around and you'll be down with Puff and you'll
[19:56] Speaker 4: be sitting there and he won't throw you a bone,
[19:58] Speaker 4: but see that's one thing I respected about 50 is
[20:00] Speaker 4: because from the beginning, when I came home, I lived
[20:03] Speaker 4: in Battery Park.
[20:04] Speaker 2: I lived by the Statue of Liberty.
[20:05] Speaker 1: I came to the apartment.
[20:06] Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah.
[20:06] Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying.
[20:07] Speaker 4: I used to see the Statue of Liberty at my
[20:10] Speaker 4: apartment because he knew it was a gamble. If you
[20:12] Speaker 4: go back to the hood, ain't no telling what's going
[20:14] Speaker 4: to happen. Especially beefing with the people we beefing with.
[20:17] Speaker 4: So it's like, you know, I was fortunate enough to
[20:20] Speaker 4: be in a good situation. Some people might say, you're glazing.
[20:24] Speaker 4: You're glazing 50, whatever.
[20:26] Speaker 2: Are you a fan? No, it's not that. It's the loyalty.
[20:29] Speaker 2: So My loyalty to a foe is to certain people. Murda,
[20:33] Speaker 2: I knew him. He came around. I'm loyal to him.
[20:36] Speaker 2: That's my brother. We got the show together. We got
[20:39] Speaker 2: the dispensary, unit dispensary. Shout out to them.
[20:41] Speaker 3: So I know what you're saying. Loyalty to a foe.
[20:44] Speaker 2: You've been through a lot. You know what I'm saying?
[20:46] Speaker 2: But I feel like if you stay loyal and stay
[20:48] Speaker 2: on that lane, look at you now. You on our show.
[20:51] Speaker 2: Because you're loyal. You know what I mean?
[20:52] Speaker 3: No question.
[20:53] Speaker 1: No question.
[20:53] Speaker 3: It's like loyalty.
[20:54] Speaker 1: Loyalty is... It's deep, my nigga. Like loyalty, like when
[21:00] Speaker 1: you really sit down and think about what is loyalty,
[21:02] Speaker 1: you got a lot of people that say that they loyal,
[21:04] Speaker 1: but can't show you proof of their loyalty. Yeah, you
[21:06] Speaker 1: loyal to the dollar. But what if I'm not getting
[21:09] Speaker 1: no money? Is you loyal to me?
[21:11] Speaker 2: That's true.
[21:11] Speaker 1: Facts. You know what I'm saying?
[21:12] Speaker 3: Facts.
[21:13] Speaker 1: So it's a difference between loyal to the dollar and
[21:15] Speaker 1: then being loyal. My man couldn't do nothing for me.
[21:18] Speaker 1: where he was at. But I'm still loyal. I can't
[21:20] Speaker 1: forget about the nights that we hung out together, the
[21:23] Speaker 1: money that we got together, the times we had together,
[21:26] Speaker 1: the times we said, yo, I love you, my nigga.
[21:29] Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying?
[21:30] Speaker 1: Like, I love you, my nigga. Like, for real, stop
[21:32] Speaker 1: for a second.
[21:32] Speaker 3: Times when it was fucked up together, nigga, when we
[21:35] Speaker 3: both ain't have nothing together. When we ain't have nothing.
[21:37] Speaker 2: Facts.
[21:37] Speaker 4: So when you started speaking your truth, right, about situations
[21:40] Speaker 4: with Puff and people, certain people from his camp looking
[21:43] Speaker 4: at you like you're.
[21:44] Speaker 2: Not loyal or you... Or not whatever. Why you feel
[21:48] Speaker 2: like they feel like that?
[21:50] Speaker 1: I think because first of all- Or what made you even.
[21:53] Speaker 3: Get to that point?
[21:54] Speaker 1: What made me get to that point was Cassie.
[21:57] Speaker 2: Right. Right?
[21:58] Speaker 1: I used to talk to Cassie first of all. Why
[22:01] Speaker 1: you going through this, this, that, and that? But Cassie
[22:03] Speaker 1: was the type of person that when she got high,
[22:06] Speaker 1: she going to tell this nigga everything that y'all talked about.
[22:08] Speaker 2: Copy.
[22:09] Speaker 3: Okay.
[22:09] Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying?
[22:10] Speaker 2: Got you.
[22:10] Speaker 1: You know, Barnes was asking me why I'm still with you.
[22:14] Speaker 1: And then the next thing I got this one, yo,
[22:15] Speaker 1: why you all in my business playboy?
[22:17] Speaker 2: Damn, that's crazy.
[22:18] Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying? Oh shit. You know what
[22:20] Speaker 3: I mean?
[22:21] Speaker 1: Like it's times where, you know, we all move around.
[22:23] Speaker 1: I don't know how y'all was moving around, but I
[22:25] Speaker 1: would grab all puff jewelry, all puff money, everything else.
[22:29] Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? That's how we was moving.
[22:31] Speaker 1: And it was a time where one of my homies
[22:34] Speaker 1: left a diamond ring on the cabinet inside one of
[22:38] Speaker 1: the houses. So when I got out to LA, he said, yo, Barnes,
[22:40] Speaker 1: can you do me a favor? Get that diamond ring
[22:42] Speaker 1: and hold it for me. And being that I didn't
[22:45] Speaker 1: leave it, I went and got it, but I didn't
[22:48] Speaker 1: have the responsibility the way that I would if I
[22:51] Speaker 1: was the type of person that left it. I was like, yo,
[22:53] Speaker 1: this nigga left it. I got it. I threw it
[22:54] Speaker 1: in my pocket. I put it in the tissue. Later
[22:57] Speaker 1: on that day, I threw the tissue away.
[22:59] Speaker 3: Oh, shit.
[23:00] Speaker 1: But I didn't realize I threw the tissue away until
[23:02] Speaker 1: later on that night.
[23:03] Speaker 3: So does this nigga think you stole it?
[23:05] Speaker 1: Nah, he didn't think I stole it.
[23:06] Speaker 3: Okay.
[23:07] Speaker 1: But I lost it, right? But I'm the type of nigga,
[23:10] Speaker 1: I handle everything for my own. He got the shit
[23:12] Speaker 1: from Lorraine Schwartz. I know Lorraine Schwartz now personally from
[23:16] Speaker 1: being with Puff.
[23:17] Speaker 3: Right.
[23:17] Speaker 1: So I go up there myself. I say, you know
[23:20] Speaker 1: that ring? One ring was hear no evil, see no evil.
[23:24] Speaker 1: And the other one, hear no evil, see no evil,
[23:26] Speaker 1: speak no evil. Right. So this was a speak no
[23:28] Speaker 1: evil diamond ring. $ 13, 000. Just one little pinky ring, right? Mm-hmm.
[23:33] Speaker 1: I went up there and told her, I said, listen,
[23:34] Speaker 1: I ain't got 13 for you right now. I got
[23:37] Speaker 1: two for you right now, but I'm going to bring
[23:39] Speaker 1: you one every week. I said, we don't need to
[23:41] Speaker 1: talk about this. So she said, this is what I'm
[23:43] Speaker 1: going to do for you, Barnes. She gave me a
[23:45] Speaker 1: see no evil, even though he had no evil.
[23:50] Speaker 5: Right.
[23:50] Speaker 1: She gave me the ring. So I put the shit
[23:52] Speaker 1: back in the safe like it never was gone. Guess
[23:55] Speaker 1: what happens?
[23:55] Speaker 3: What?
[23:56] Speaker 1: One of these nights that Cassie gets high with this nigga,
[24:00] Speaker 1: she runs to tell him, you know Barnes lost my ring.
[24:04] Speaker 2: Oh my God.
[24:05] Speaker 1: So next thing I hear, somebody over the speaker, Barnes, Barnes,
[24:08] Speaker 1: pick up the, pick up, pick up. So I'm in
[24:10] Speaker 1: my room, yo, what's up bro?
[24:11] Speaker 3: But why'd you even go tell Cassie?
[24:12] Speaker 1: Why, huh?
[24:13] Speaker 3: Why'd you even tell her?
[24:14] Speaker 1: Because it was her ring.
[24:16] Speaker 3: Oh, okay.
[24:16] Speaker 1: So I had to tell her that it wasn't a
[24:18] Speaker 1: hair no evil.
[24:19] Speaker 3: All right, got you.
[24:20] Speaker 1: It wasn't a sin no evil, it was a hair
[24:22] Speaker 1: no evil.
[24:22] Speaker 3: All right, got you.
[24:23] Speaker 1: So I had to like on the, but you really.
[24:24] Speaker 3: On the low tone, like yo, listen. Yeah, yeah.
[24:26] Speaker 2: She knew it.
[24:27] Speaker 4: Was an issue once he wrapped it in, that makes sense.
[24:29] Speaker 2: Once he wrapped it in tissue, threw it in the garbage.
[24:31] Speaker 3: I knew it was an issue.
[24:33] Speaker 1: But I know at the end of the day, when
[24:35] Speaker 1: you hear so many speeches about niggas always stealing, niggas
[24:38] Speaker 1: always doing this, niggas don't take care of their own self.
[24:41] Speaker 1: You stepping up as a man now, going above and beyond.
[24:44] Speaker 1: I went to Lorraine Schwartz herself.
[24:46] Speaker 4: Because you don't want to look like you booked her
[24:49] Speaker 4: for it.
[24:49] Speaker 1: I'm going to pick those. At the end of the day,
[24:52] Speaker 1: I told him, I said, yo, he said, but this
[24:54] Speaker 1: ain't the same, because he got to say something now. Yo,
[24:56] Speaker 1: my nigga, this ain't the same ring though. My nigga,
[24:59] Speaker 1: it's the same ring. It's just got this. All right,
[25:02] Speaker 1: but at the end of the day, I said, yo, Puff,
[25:04] Speaker 1: I said, didn't you tell me you tired of niggas
[25:06] Speaker 1: depending on you?
[25:07] Speaker 2: So what the nigga had, but you had a loudspeaker button, like,
[25:09] Speaker 2: come to the office.
[25:10] Speaker 1: Nah, nah, nah, that's how the whole house is wired.
[25:13] Speaker 2: What you mean?
[25:14] Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? Like intercom, just like in
[25:16] Speaker 1: the office.
[25:17] Speaker 3: Intercom type shit. Intercom.
[25:18] Speaker 1: So you could press one joint and it go all
[25:21] Speaker 1: over the house?
[25:21] Speaker 3: All over the house. Like your bones gonna pull up
[25:23] Speaker 3: on the nigga.
[25:24] Speaker 2: Right, right.
[25:25] Speaker 1: So like, this is like, your bones, somebody at that
[25:27] Speaker 1: front gate.
[25:28] Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying? Yeah, that nigga hit you
[25:29] Speaker 2: like the president. Like, Bones, get to my office.
[25:31] Speaker 1: Yeah, or if the nigga say Bones, like, yeah, once
[25:33] Speaker 1: I pick up the phone, can't nobody else hear. Cassie
[25:34] Speaker 1: D'Antonio again.
[25:35] Speaker 2: Cassie D'Antonio again.
[25:37] Speaker 1: My nigga, it's 2 o'clock in the morning. I already
[25:39] Speaker 1: know what it is.
[25:40] Speaker 2: Oh, my gosh.
[25:40] Speaker 1: It's 2 o'clock in the morning. We in the Miami house.
[25:42] Speaker 1: So the studio's in the guest house. Right. I live
[25:45] Speaker 1: in the studio. He in the main house. Right. So
[25:48] Speaker 1: when he called me and said, where you at? I
[25:50] Speaker 1: got some shorties outside. I'm right in front drinking champagne
[25:53] Speaker 1: because he in the house. So I'm cool. Yo, yo, yo,
[25:55] Speaker 1: come upstairs. Come upstairs mean come to my room. You
[25:59] Speaker 1: in your room with your girl, I already know what
[26:01] Speaker 1: she told. You know what I'm saying? So I walk
[26:03] Speaker 1: in there like, yo, yo, yo, no. He said, man,
[26:06] Speaker 1: go in the safe and get that ring for me.
[26:07] Speaker 1: So I went in the safe, got the ring, and
[26:08] Speaker 1: I knew. I said, yeah. So, but it was, nigga,
[26:11] Speaker 1: at the end of the day, It's the same ring.
[26:15] Speaker 1: What you going to say? So he really couldn't say nothing.
[26:17] Speaker 1: But that's just to say that everything I did lawyer-wise,
[26:21] Speaker 1: she always bit me in the ass. So now even
[26:24] Speaker 1: when this case came out, there wasn't no other security.
[26:27] Speaker 1: There wasn't no other assistant. There wasn't no other nobody
[26:31] Speaker 1: in there. And I ain't been with Puff in 10
[26:33] Speaker 1: years as far as being with him every day. I
[26:36] Speaker 1: still was with Serap up until 2023. But being with
[26:39] Speaker 1: Puff every day, I wasn't with him. So, and I
[26:43] Speaker 1: tell people, I say, yo, why you think she put
[26:45] Speaker 1: my name in that lawsuit? She said, yo, the only
[26:47] Speaker 1: person that helped me when Puff was beating me up
[26:50] Speaker 1: was Roger Barnes. She said, that's the only person. Now,
[26:53] Speaker 1: she dropped her lawsuit in 2024, right?
[26:57] Speaker 2: Oh, she had a lawsuit against you?
[26:58] Speaker 1: No, no, no. I'm against him. She put his lawsuit
[27:02] Speaker 1: in in 2024. I left his side 2012. So you
[27:07] Speaker 1: going to tell me in another 12 years, well another,
[27:10] Speaker 1: because they broke up in 2018.
[27:12] Speaker 2: You think if he would have paid that nut, because
[27:13] Speaker 2: I heard he told her like beat sand or something.
[27:15] Speaker 1: Nah, he told her 10 million. She said no, 30 million.
[27:20] Speaker 1: He thought it was a fucking game. He was sitting
[27:24] Speaker 1: on that lawsuit for six months.
[27:26] Speaker 2: And 30 million ain't nothing for him.
[27:28] Speaker 1: And he ain't tell nobody.
[27:28] Speaker 2: If he would have just paid her, none of that
[27:30] Speaker 2: shit would have happened.
[27:30] Speaker 1: None of that shit would have happened. It would have
[27:32] Speaker 1: got swept underneath the rug.
[27:33] Speaker 2: Because she opened the whole case.
[27:35] Speaker 1: But I'm going to tell you what happened. I spoke
[27:36] Speaker 1: to him the day before, right? I spoke to him
[27:38] Speaker 1: the day before.
[27:38] Speaker 2: But he still paid her though, right? Huh? He still
[27:40] Speaker 2: caught the case. He still caught the case.
[27:42] Speaker 1: Yeah, he still had to pay her 30 million.
[27:43] Speaker 3: But you was about to say that he spoke to her.
[27:45] Speaker 1: She got 30 million from him and then she got
[27:46] Speaker 1: another 20 million from the Intercontinental Hotel.
[27:49] Speaker 3: Damn.
[27:49] Speaker 1: Damn. Because they the ones that hid the tape.
[27:52] Speaker 3: All that time.
[27:53] Speaker 2: Oh, when he was beating her in the tail and
[27:54] Speaker 2: all that.
[27:54] Speaker 1: So she got 20 million. So she got $ 50 million altogether.
[27:58] Speaker 3: So you spoke to him the day before though?
[28:00] Speaker 1: I spoke to him the day before the lawsuit dropped, right?
[28:02] Speaker 1: It ain't no secret. Everybody know my son is locked
[28:04] Speaker 1: up in Africa.
[28:05] Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember you was talking about that. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[28:10] Speaker 3: Your son locked up in Africa?
[28:11] Speaker 1: Yeah, my son been locked up for murder in Africa
[28:13] Speaker 1: since 2010. You know what I'm saying? Since he was,
[28:18] Speaker 1: matter of fact, he was 20 years old. He went
[28:21] Speaker 1: over there for something else. He got into the middle
[28:24] Speaker 1: of some shit that he don't know what he going
[28:26] Speaker 1: all the way across seas to get into. And he
[28:28] Speaker 1: walked into another person murdering the person that he was
[28:30] Speaker 1: supposed to sit down and talk to. But being that
[28:33] Speaker 1: he was from America, they said, oh, they the ones
[28:36] Speaker 1: that murdered him.
[28:37] Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying?
[28:37] Speaker 1: So we've been fighting that case since back then. But
[28:40] Speaker 1: I called Puff the day before because I needed $ 20, 000
[28:43] Speaker 1: because the lawyer was telling me, I need $ 20, 000. Right?
[28:45] Speaker 1: So I said, yo, I need $ 20, 000. So he said, damn, Playboy,
[28:49] Speaker 1: I ain't got it right now.
[28:50] Speaker 3: Damn.
[28:51] Speaker 1: Right? That is what he told me. Now I'm watching
[28:53] Speaker 1: you do everything just like everybody else watching. You know
[28:57] Speaker 1: what I'm saying? So he said, damn, Playboy, I ain't
[28:59] Speaker 1: got it. So he said, but I may need you though.
[29:04] Speaker 1: So when he said, I may need you, I said, okay,
[29:07] Speaker 1: I've been running this Ciroc shit in Atlanta for some
[29:10] Speaker 1: years now. He got this DeLeon shit now. I said, okay,
[29:13] Speaker 1: he must want to get DeLeon because he was suing Diageo.
[29:17] Speaker 1: So I said, he must want to get back in
[29:19] Speaker 1: the game. Okay, come on. I got Atlanta sewn up.
[29:22] Speaker 1: Let's do it. I got the kid Alex, AG, all
[29:24] Speaker 1: of them with me. So let's do it. We gonna
[29:27] Speaker 1: sell this shit out. But what he called me, what
[29:29] Speaker 1: he said he was gonna need me for is because
[29:32] Speaker 1: he knew Cassie had put my name in the lawsuit.
[29:35] Speaker 1: Cause I told you he was sitting on the lawsuit
[29:37] Speaker 1: for six months. But I ain't know nothing about it.
[29:40] Speaker 1: the lawsuit. So then he calls me back. He says, yo,
[29:42] Speaker 1: I may need you. What you may need me for?
[29:44] Speaker 1: He still don't tell me. The next morning, his manager,
[29:48] Speaker 1: James Cruz, called me and said, yo, Barnes, man, you
[29:51] Speaker 1: know your name is in this. I said, my name
[29:53] Speaker 1: is in what? He said, Cassie just sued Diddy. I said, yo,
[29:57] Speaker 1: this is Rat motherfucker. He said, what? I said, man,
[30:00] Speaker 1: this nigga just told me yesterday he ain't got 20,000,
[30:03] Speaker 1: but he may need a favor from me. Because see,
[30:05] Speaker 1: at first he was planning to take her all the
[30:07] Speaker 1: way to the door. And then he called me, and
[30:11] Speaker 1: this is a narcissist again, if anybody been around a narcissist.
[30:14] Speaker 1: He going to tell me what he want me to
[30:16] Speaker 1: tell these people. Because now the post is calling me
[30:19] Speaker 1: and everybody is calling me, who's Barnes? Who's Roger Barnes?
[30:22] Speaker 2: Who's this?
[30:23] Speaker 1: So now he's getting back to me. So somehow they
[30:26] Speaker 1: get my number and all that shit. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[30:28] Speaker 1: So he says, I may need you because she put
[30:33] Speaker 1: your name in the lawsuit. So I may need you
[30:36] Speaker 1: to take the stand for me. And say, yo, you
[30:39] Speaker 1: ain't seen nothing. You seen regular shit. Yeah, we fought.
[30:42] Speaker 1: This is him talking to me. Yeah, we fought and everything.
[30:45] Speaker 1: And we went back and forth. But you seen regular
[30:47] Speaker 1: couple shit. Wasn't nothing crazy or nothing. So I'm sitting there, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[30:52] Speaker 1: All right. I'm like, yo, if you want to get
[30:54] Speaker 1: in touch with me, playboy, hit KK. Hit such and such. Yo,
[30:58] Speaker 1: if you can't get through me, yo, it ain't nothing
[30:59] Speaker 1: personal because the nigga been decking my phone calls now
[31:02] Speaker 1: for 10 months. So now you decking my phone call
[31:04] Speaker 1: for 10 months, but yet you're going to call me
[31:06] Speaker 1: and tell me that you need something. And now one
[31:08] Speaker 1: day yesterday, she called me and said, yo, I got
[31:10] Speaker 1: puffed for you on the phone. So now all this
[31:13] Speaker 1: is leading because nothing this nigga do is not calculated.
[31:16] Speaker 1: Everything he do is for a reason. I'm going to
[31:19] Speaker 1: need bonds in a second. You know what I'm saying?
[31:21] Speaker 1: Just in case I go all the way. So he said,
[31:23] Speaker 1: I offered her 10 million, but she want 30 million.
[31:25] Speaker 1: I'm not paying that. But then the next day was
[31:27] Speaker 1: the deadline for her to drop the case. So she
[31:30] Speaker 1: had to put in the case. And then the shit
[31:32] Speaker 1: just went crazy from there. But he was expecting exactly
[31:36] Speaker 1: what I just said. My loyalty to be to the
[31:39] Speaker 1: point where Barnes ain't never getting on no podcast. Barnes
[31:42] Speaker 1: ain't never talking about this, this, that, and the other.
[31:45] Speaker 1: But I tell everybody to work for him. First of all,
[31:49] Speaker 1: y'all not going to do nothing. You know what I'm saying?
[31:51] Speaker 1: So cut the bullshit out. I already know that. You
[31:55] Speaker 1: know what I'm saying? Second of all, everybody who was
[31:58] Speaker 1: in the middle of some shit is me. You know
[32:01] Speaker 1: what I'm saying? I can go back to a time
[32:03] Speaker 1: where I seen Yayo and 50 of them. I think
[32:05] Speaker 1: we was at the BET Awards.
[32:07] Speaker 2: Okay.
[32:07] Speaker 1: Yeah. Right? And they was about 20 deep. And it
[32:12] Speaker 1: was nobody but me and Puff. First of all, I'm
[32:15] Speaker 1: mad because the nigga made me get suited and booted
[32:17] Speaker 1: for this shit.
[32:19] Speaker 3: I ain't want to get suited and booted.
[32:20] Speaker 1: Because when shit pop off, man, you got me in
[32:23] Speaker 1: some slippin' slides.
[32:24] Speaker 2: You got the slippin' slides on.
[32:25] Speaker 1: But, you know, you Puff, you the, you know, okay,
[32:28] Speaker 1: we got to keep it corporate. I understand. So I see, yeah, yo, yeah, yo, like, yo, Barnes,
[32:33] Speaker 1: what's up, nigga? I'm like, yo, what's up? We kicking it, boy, boy.
[32:35] Speaker 2: I remember that, yep.
[32:36] Speaker 1: When we get in the hallway, Puff is like, yo, man,
[32:38] Speaker 1: I want to snuff that nigga 50. I said, why?
[32:42] Speaker 1: Because him and 50, and I tell people this all
[32:44] Speaker 1: the time, I'm here. They beef is here. That shit
[32:49] Speaker 1: is outside of my pay range. I don't know what
[32:52] Speaker 1: the fuck is going on. You know what I'm saying?
[32:54] Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying?
[32:56] Speaker 1: If a nigga asks you, I don't know, nigga, that's
[32:58] Speaker 1: over my pay grade.
[33:00] Speaker 2: I don't know.
[33:01] Speaker 1: Because one minute, I see these niggas, they speak. Next minute,
[33:05] Speaker 1: I see the niggas don't speak. I don't know what's
[33:07] Speaker 1: going on, so I don't even ask them. But I
[33:09] Speaker 1: know I told him one thing this time. I said, yo,
[33:13] Speaker 1: if you punch that nigga in the face, do you
[33:15] Speaker 1: see how many niggas we.
[33:16] Speaker 2: Got to fight?
[33:17] Speaker 1: But that's your man, though. Nigga, that's his man. You
[33:21] Speaker 1: understand what I'm saying? And this is exactly what I
[33:24] Speaker 1: told him. I said, my nigga, I said, this is
[33:26] Speaker 1: his man. And he said, yo, you right, you right,
[33:30] Speaker 1: you right. And later on that day, We ended up
[33:33] Speaker 1: talking to Puff. And Puff even told him. Puff was like, yo,
[33:37] Speaker 1: my nigga, you got that nigga with you. And Puff
[33:39] Speaker 1: was like, yeah, yeah, yeah, I know, I know, but
[33:41] Speaker 1: 10 minutes ahead of time, you wanted to.
[33:43] Speaker 3: You mean 50 told him that you got that nigga
[33:45] Speaker 3: with you?
[33:45] Speaker 1: Nah, nah, Yayo had told Puff.
[33:47] Speaker 3: Oh, okay, okay.
[33:47] Speaker 1: See, Puff was in my ear the whole time to
[33:51] Speaker 1: get in touch with Yayo. Yo, that's your man, that's
[33:54] Speaker 1: your man. Talk to him so he can get it
[33:56] Speaker 1: in 50 years. You know what I'm saying? I lied
[33:59] Speaker 1: to him and tell him, yeah, yeah, yeah, I spoke
[34:00] Speaker 1: to him, but I really didn't. But this night when
[34:03] Speaker 1: that happened, you know what I'm saying?
[34:05] Speaker 5: He see you and your yo in the rack like, yo,
[34:07] Speaker 5: my nigga was good and all that.
[34:09] Speaker 3: So okay.
[34:09] Speaker 1: So I'm like, yo, but nigga, that's not my man
[34:12] Speaker 1: to the point. that he going to not look the
[34:15] Speaker 1: other way for his man. That's like a nigga walking
[34:18] Speaker 1: up on you at that particular time. You know what
[34:20] Speaker 1: I'm saying? I can't say nothing to niggas. Yale going
[34:22] Speaker 1: to get up and do what he got to do.
[34:24] Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? So Puff thought about it.
[34:26] Speaker 1: He said, yeah, right. But then we go, right after that,
[34:30] Speaker 1: we go to Vegas. And I've been seeing this shit
[34:32] Speaker 1: circulate a lot with 50 Jumped on the Stage with
[34:35] Speaker 1: Jay-Z and T.I.
[34:36] Speaker 3: I was right there.
[34:39] Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying?
[34:40] Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that was crazy. Kanye shit.
[34:42] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[34:43] Speaker 2: 50 just bombarded the stage.
[34:44] Speaker 1: Yo, and this is my word. That shit was not,
[34:48] Speaker 1: I'm here to tell everybody on here, that shit was
[34:50] Speaker 1: not planned. 50 ain't give a fuck. You know what
[34:54] Speaker 1: I'm saying? That nigga jumped on that stage and niggas
[34:56] Speaker 1: was like, You know what I'm saying? And I forgot
[35:00] Speaker 1: the big ball-headed dude that used to be with him
[35:02] Speaker 1: all the time. Big ball-headed dude.
[35:03] Speaker 2: Back in the, we talking 2005, 2006.
[35:04] Speaker 1: I remember that 50 Jump Doors thing. Was that Fred, Bobby?
[35:11] Speaker 3: Nah, nah.
[35:12] Speaker 1: Big, big dude. About 6'4, 6'5. Ball-headed.
[35:16] Speaker 2: Was it Chris Lighty? Rest in peace.
[35:19] Speaker 1: Yeah. That's who it was.
[35:21] Speaker 3: Something that used to be with Chris Lighty.
[35:22] Speaker 2: That's what I think. Fuck him for giving his name.
[35:24] Speaker 2: Rest in peace to him, too.
[35:25] Speaker 1: Oh, he died?
[35:26] Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he passed away.
[35:27] Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. I don't see him no more.
[35:28] Speaker 2: Yeah, big, big dude.
[35:29] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[35:30] Speaker 2: I forgot his name.
[35:30] Speaker 5: I don't know.
[35:31] Speaker 3: I knew him.
[35:31] Speaker 1: He was there. You know what I'm saying? And that's
[35:35] Speaker 1: why the respect thing comes in with me because whether
[35:39] Speaker 1: it's one of y'all, two of y'all.
[35:40] Speaker 2: Was it Rich?
[35:41] Speaker 3: Rich? It was.
[35:42] Speaker 2: It was. It was. It was.
[35:43] Speaker 3: It was. It was.
[35:43] Speaker 2: It was.
[35:44] Speaker 5: It was.
[35:44] Speaker 2: It was.
[35:45] Speaker 3: It was. It was.
[35:45] Speaker 2: It was.
[35:46] Speaker 3: It was.
[35:46] Speaker 2: It was.
[35:46] Speaker 3: It was.
[35:47] Speaker 2: It was. It was. It was. It was. It was.
[35:50] Speaker 3: It was. It was. It was.
[35:51] Speaker 1: It was. Talk a lot of killer shit, a lot
[36:10] Speaker 1: of gangster shit and all that. I said, my nigga,
[36:13] Speaker 1: at this particular point in time, homie wasn't running with
[36:17] Speaker 1: a million people. You know what I'm saying? So if
[36:19] Speaker 1: y'all really built the way y'all say, that's where I
[36:21] Speaker 1: come from. I come from that school.
[36:24] Speaker 4: I remember going backstage and him and Jay, Jay was
[36:27] Speaker 4: laughing about it. And I think Will Smith was back there.
[36:29] Speaker 4: There was a lot of big names back there. It
[36:31] Speaker 4: was like a crazy moment.
[36:32] Speaker 1: And that's why I say the game is so phony.
[36:34] Speaker 1: The industry game is so, the industry, you know, it's
[36:38] Speaker 1: so the same people that's laughing in my face now,
[36:41] Speaker 1: the same people that talk to me now, the same
[36:43] Speaker 1: people that talk to me about the book, I read comments.
[36:47] Speaker 1: I see them saying people underneath Puff, yeah, you keep
[36:49] Speaker 1: doing this. Yo, yo, don't worry about that. Don't worry.
[36:52] Speaker 1: But then when y'all see me, it's a different story.
[36:54] Speaker 1: To me, that's a coward. You know what I'm saying?
[36:56] Speaker 1: Because if you feel that way about, we ain't got
[36:58] Speaker 1: no beef. We ain't got to be cool. You siding
[37:01] Speaker 1: with homie about the situation, that's cool with me. But
[37:05] Speaker 1: y'all want to laugh and joke with him and then
[37:07] Speaker 1: come laugh and joke with me, then come laugh and joke. Nah,
[37:09] Speaker 1: it's not like that. We going to build that business.
[37:11] Speaker 2: Because a lot of dudes in the industry are for sale.
[37:14] Speaker 1: No, it is for them.
[37:15] Speaker 2: They for sale.
[37:16] Speaker 4: That's how you never know if somebody going to line
[37:18] Speaker 4: you up because.
[37:19] Speaker 3: The dude could be like, yo, take this 10, take
[37:21] Speaker 3: this 20.
[37:21] Speaker 5: I still get some money with him, man, so let
[37:23] Speaker 5: me play it cool.
[37:23] Speaker 3: I can still get some money with him when he
[37:25] Speaker 3: come home. I'm going to figure out a way to
[37:26] Speaker 3: try to get him.
[37:26] Speaker 1: Definitely.
[37:27] Speaker 2: There's going to be a lot of dudes that do that.
[37:28] Speaker 1: Yeah, but I tell people all the time, man, and
[37:31] Speaker 1: I said it the other day, man, Puff going to
[37:32] Speaker 1: have a lot of fights when he come home. He
[37:35] Speaker 1: going to have a lot of fights, man, because there's
[37:37] Speaker 1: no way, form, or fashion you could tell a nigga, yo, be...
[37:42] Speaker 1: You could come at a nigga like you really want
[37:43] Speaker 1: to fight or you really want some beef. And I
[37:46] Speaker 1: know you've been playing with nuts on your chest. Like
[37:48] Speaker 1: I can't, like, how we go? No, pause.
[37:51] Speaker 3: Go fast.
[37:52] Speaker 1: They might not say it in front of your face,
[37:55] Speaker 1: but as soon as you walk away, that's the conversation
[37:57] Speaker 1: that they going to be having. Be who that nigga
[38:00] Speaker 1: think he is. Be that nigga. It's the same way
[38:03] Speaker 1: if you win it. I don't know how he living
[38:04] Speaker 1: in jail. You know what I'm saying? But it's the
[38:06] Speaker 1: same way. If it was the average person that went
[38:10] Speaker 1: in jail for what he went to, You know what
[38:12] Speaker 1: I'm saying? You would have a lot of problems because nigga,
[38:15] Speaker 1: you like big, black, whatever, whatever. You know what I'm saying?
[38:19] Speaker 1: So you would have that type of problem that he
[38:21] Speaker 1: probably not going through because he puffed. But it's going
[38:24] Speaker 1: to always be niggas whispering behind your back. Or niggas
[38:28] Speaker 1: that like, niggas that, and I ain't going to lie,
[38:30] Speaker 1: a puff is the type of nigga that will fight.
[38:32] Speaker 1: He ain't playing with them guns, but he going to
[38:35] Speaker 1: fight you all day long. You know what I'm saying?
[38:37] Speaker 1: I used to have a child telling me, yo B,
[38:38] Speaker 1: why you want that? Niggas ain't fighting. Nigga ain't going
[38:42] Speaker 1: to want to fight you, my nigga. Them niggas got niggas, niggas.
[38:44] Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? But that's a true story.
[38:49] Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? And I tell people that
[38:51] Speaker 1: story all the time. I say, yo, homie, and I
[38:56] Speaker 1: don't mean to talk about this on your platform, man,
[38:59] Speaker 1: but when I heard that shit about Blackcox and all
[39:02] Speaker 1: that shit, I remember one time, man, and this is
[39:07] Speaker 1: in the book too.
[39:09] Speaker 2: Make sure y'all get that book, man.
[39:10] Speaker 1: Make sure y'all get that. Life did almost kill me.
[39:14] Speaker 1: We was in Caesar's Palace in Vegas one night, right?
[39:18] Speaker 1: It's just me and Puff. So I got my room,
[39:21] Speaker 1: he got his suite. He calls me, yo, yo, what
[39:23] Speaker 1: you doing, nigga? Because sometimes I just go venturing. You
[39:26] Speaker 1: know what I'm saying? I said, no, I'm in my
[39:28] Speaker 1: room waiting on something. He said, come over here, yo.
[39:32] Speaker 1: That niggas gave me a two-floor room and all that shit.
[39:34] Speaker 1: It ain't nobody over here but me. Take a room upstairs.
[39:37] Speaker 1: So I said, cool, fuck it. So he said, but yo,
[39:39] Speaker 1: I need you to do me a favor. I said, yo,
[39:42] Speaker 1: what you need me to do? I need you to
[39:44] Speaker 1: go to the sex store for me, yo. So, you know,
[39:48] Speaker 1: I go to the sex store here and there, so
[39:50] Speaker 1: I don't mind.
[39:50] Speaker 2: I'm like, cool, nigga.
[39:52] Speaker 1: You know, we used to go to the joint and
[39:53] Speaker 1: hustle on Sunset. You know what I'm saying?
[39:56] Speaker 2: Let's go.
[39:57] Speaker 1: But he's like, yo, now I need you to go
[39:58] Speaker 1: to the joint. But I need you to go get
[40:00] Speaker 1: me something. I'm like, what you need me to go
[40:02] Speaker 1: get you, nigga?
[40:03] Speaker 3: He said, I need you.
[40:05] Speaker 1: To go get me one of them extra big black joints, right?
[40:09] Speaker 2: So I said, yo, pause, right?
[40:13] Speaker 1: So he said, Shorty is coming over. So he told me, Shorty.
[40:17] Speaker 1: So I been knew who Shorty is. I'm like, damn,
[40:19] Speaker 1: she coming? He said, yeah, B, that bitch like big
[40:21] Speaker 1: black joint.
[40:24] Speaker 3: So pause again. I ain't want to say, you know,
[40:27] Speaker 3: you call all these bodies and shit.
[40:28] Speaker 5: I relate to certain niggas that put all the work
[40:30] Speaker 5: in and shit, but certain shit just need some pauses.
[40:32] Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, pause, pause, pause. I know, yeah, I'm here, yeah. Yeah, right, yo.
[40:36] Speaker 1: Take the big black joint, pause.
[40:38] Speaker 2: That's a couple. So I'm like, I'm going to joint.
[40:43] Speaker 1: And I get the joints.
[40:44] Speaker 2: I know you felt wild buying that shit though. I'm
[40:47] Speaker 2: going to be real with you. Going there and buying
[40:49] Speaker 2: that shit, nigga?
[40:50] Speaker 3: I'm going to be real with you.
[40:51] Speaker 1: That shit ain't even bothering me. Nah, nah, nah. Buying
[40:55] Speaker 1: that joint ain't bothering me.
[40:56] Speaker 3: Because you know you wasn't entertaining.
[40:58] Speaker 2: Exactly. Just me going to the store buying that shit.
[41:02] Speaker 1: Yeah, you might feel like that.
[41:04] Speaker 4: I can see you sending me to buy like some
[41:06] Speaker 4: like some pills or something, but that shit?
[41:09] Speaker 2: Like, yo, get the biggest dildo you can find, pause.
[41:11] Speaker 1: Like, come on, that's crazy, man. So I went and
[41:15] Speaker 1: got it, right? So he said, I came, I brought
[41:18] Speaker 1: it back to him, right? So he said, yo, so
[41:21] Speaker 1: he said, I can't wait for Shorty to get here, right?
[41:25] Speaker 1: So I'm like, yeah, he said, yo, B, I might
[41:27] Speaker 1: even let you get some, yo. I said, Shorty? I said,
[41:31] Speaker 1: Shorty bad, right? Yo, this is my word, I'm upstairs
[41:34] Speaker 1: in my room, And I hear him in there knocking shorty, right? Yeah.
[41:40] Speaker 1: So now when this shit comes out about everything, you know,
[41:44] Speaker 1: your mind going to go all the way back. So
[41:47] Speaker 1: my mind went all the way back. When I'm watching
[41:49] Speaker 1: this Cassie shit and Cassie told me, oh, this nigga
[41:51] Speaker 1: like big black this, big black that. And I'm like,
[41:54] Speaker 1: hold up. Was that joint that night for this nigga?
[41:58] Speaker 1: Or was it for the girl? Pause. Damn, pause. Because
[42:03] Speaker 1: I was like, yo, this shit had me going crazy now.
[42:07] Speaker 1: And this was back in 2010 when this shit happened.
[42:10] Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? So now, 2025, I'm like,
[42:13] Speaker 1: was this shit for him? This dirty motherfucker. Because he
[42:16] Speaker 1: never let me see Shorty. Like he promised. So I'm
[42:20] Speaker 1: saying to myself, damn, the nigga never let me see
[42:22] Speaker 1: Shorty that night. I went and got the joint. Shorty
[42:26] Speaker 1: talking about this, that, that. So I said, damn, that
[42:28] Speaker 1: was for that nigga. You know what I'm saying? So
[42:31] Speaker 1: I started thinking all the way back to all the
[42:34] Speaker 1: situations and all the predicaments where things happen. And my
[42:40] Speaker 1: loyalty was always in the middle of it. You know
[42:43] Speaker 1: what I'm saying? Like, even when niggas were saying stuff,
[42:46] Speaker 1: because they niggas ain't just start talking about Puff.
[42:48] Speaker 3: Of course.
[42:48] Speaker 1: Niggas been talking about Puff for 20 years. Right. You
[42:51] Speaker 1: know what I'm saying? And me, myself, I was on
[42:54] Speaker 1: the front line, my nigga. You're not going to be
[42:56] Speaker 1: talking about homie like that if I'm, yo, homie get
[42:59] Speaker 1: that nigga. I see the nigga with a girl every
[43:01] Speaker 1: fucking night. You know what I'm saying? Woo, woo, woo. Yeah, yeah.
[43:04] Speaker 1: But when this shit happened, man, I had to go
[43:08] Speaker 1: back and I just had to start thinking about things.
[43:11] Speaker 1: Because see, one thing you might not know, my man
[43:13] Speaker 1: right there might know, when you doing security and you
[43:15] Speaker 1: holding a nigga down, you can't wait for a day off.
[43:20] Speaker 1: So when you get a day off, you don't pay
[43:21] Speaker 1: attention to really what that nigga doing, cause you just
[43:24] Speaker 1: so happy you got your day off. So it'd be
[43:27] Speaker 1: days that Puff be like, yo, this weekend I'm gonna
[43:29] Speaker 1: stay in Beverly Hills Hotel. Oh, you gonna stay there
[43:33] Speaker 1: this weekend? Yeah, y'all niggas can have the house. That's
[43:36] Speaker 1: what I'm thinking about. I got this fucking house. I
[43:39] Speaker 1: got these shorties from my lane. But we having a
[43:42] Speaker 1: party this weekend, right? I'm not thinking about the nigga
[43:45] Speaker 1: that I just seen get on the elevator. and pressed
[43:48] Speaker 1: the same floor that Puff getting on, got off on.
[43:51] Speaker 1: I'm not thinking about that. People say, yo, you had
[43:52] Speaker 1: to see this. You had, nah, you not thinking about that.
[43:56] Speaker 1: You thinking about your next move. You know what I'm saying?
[43:58] Speaker 1: You got whatever vehicles down there, whatever vehicles at the house.
[44:02] Speaker 1: I got the weekend, but then when everything start playing
[44:04] Speaker 1: back on me, and I start thinking about, damn, this
[44:07] Speaker 1: nigga did call me and told me, and I seen pictures,
[44:10] Speaker 1: this nigga told me to make sure this nigga got
[44:12] Speaker 1: in the club.
[44:13] Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying?
[44:14] Speaker 1: Damn, that's that same nigga there. I had to go
[44:17] Speaker 1: get from the club that night. Or this the same
[44:19] Speaker 1: nigga that I got on the elevator. You know what
[44:21] Speaker 1: I'm saying? So the loyalty shit right there, I think
[44:25] Speaker 1: that was the last. Not that it's going to change
[44:28] Speaker 1: my loyalty because it's just certain people that gone to
[44:30] Speaker 1: your loyalty. It's certain people that no matter what, you
[44:33] Speaker 1: can't tell me nothing about. But I learned that if
[44:37] Speaker 1: it's really not like that person that showed me their loyalty,
[44:41] Speaker 1: I really can't stand up for them no more. In
[44:44] Speaker 1: any type of way, whether it's the state bid, the
[44:46] Speaker 1: fed bid, this street shit, whatever it is. If you
[44:49] Speaker 1: ain't showed me and I ain't got proof of it,
[44:52] Speaker 1: that's how I'm moving and that's how I'm living now.
[44:54] Speaker 1: So out of everything that came out of this whole
[44:56] Speaker 1: situation and this whole case, it came out of me
[45:00] Speaker 1: to make me look deeper into people. Make me look
[45:04] Speaker 1: deep into this music industry. Make me look deep into
[45:07] Speaker 1: the people that say, yo, I'm with you. Because a
[45:09] Speaker 1: nigga quick to say, I love you. Especially in the industry.
[45:12] Speaker 1: Everybody says, I love you.
[45:14] Speaker 2: Yeah, of course.
[45:14] Speaker 1: Everybody really, I love you.
[45:16] Speaker 3: Love you, bro. My bro. Love you, bro.
[45:17] Speaker 2: Until something bad happens.
[45:19] Speaker 1: Until something bad happens. And let me tell you, who
[45:21] Speaker 1: take the word love more deeper than anybody? A street nigga.
[45:26] Speaker 3: Of course.
[45:27] Speaker 1: A street nigga take that word love deeper than any
[45:30] Speaker 1: industry or anybody else. Because when I say I love you,
[45:32] Speaker 1: my nigga, I love you, my nigga. And nine out
[45:35] Speaker 1: of ten, when we first tell each other that is
[45:38] Speaker 1: when we don't have nothing. So when I'm telling you this,
[45:41] Speaker 1: all we got is this. And all we got is us.
[45:44] Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? And what a lot of
[45:46] Speaker 1: industry cats don't understand, they don't understand that. You know,
[45:50] Speaker 1: because it's just the way they feel.
[45:51] Speaker 3: They're just using the word, man.
[45:52] Speaker 1: Yeah, they're just saying y'all love it. It sound cool.
[45:55] Speaker 3: It sound cool.
[45:56] Speaker 1: It sound like that. But I'm going to tell you
[45:58] Speaker 1: what hurt me more is in one aspect I say
[46:01] Speaker 1: they phony, but then in another aspect I say they
[46:04] Speaker 1: real because I've sat there and watched Puff do a
[46:09] Speaker 1: whole lot for a lot of motherfuckers that didn't give
[46:14] Speaker 1: a fuck about him. but just had a situation or
[46:17] Speaker 1: position that he might have needed or wanted to be
[46:19] Speaker 1: involved with. You know what I'm saying? We're here to
[46:22] Speaker 1: do everything for him. I done heard they get, yo,
[46:25] Speaker 1: Lil Wayne need a lawyer. Yo, let me get a
[46:28] Speaker 1: lawyer for him. Yo, D-Mac need this. Let me get
[46:30] Speaker 1: a lawyer for him. But then when I come and
[46:31] Speaker 1: tell you my son, it's something different. You know what
[46:34] Speaker 1: I'm saying? And that's where the respect, the loss of
[46:36] Speaker 1: respect for. Because I don't understand. And that's what I
[46:39] Speaker 1: like about these young niggas nowadays. I'm going to tell
[46:41] Speaker 1: you the truth. They can say what they want to
[46:44] Speaker 1: say about these young niggas, man, but A lot of
[46:46] Speaker 1: these young niggas that's in the business right now, first
[46:50] Speaker 1: thing they get in their crew is a house. Yo, 250,000.
[46:55] Speaker 1: They make sure they got a house. No matter whether
[46:58] Speaker 1: he with me, whether he not with me, his family
[47:00] Speaker 1: got a place in this.
[47:01] Speaker 3: They do be loyal to each other.
[47:02] Speaker 1: They do be.
[47:03] Speaker 2: Loyal to each other.
[47:04] Speaker 3: They do.
[47:04] Speaker 1: To a fault. You know what I'm saying?
[47:06] Speaker 3: To a fault. That's a fact.
[47:07] Speaker 2: I agree with you.
[47:08] Speaker 1: And that's what I love about him. I see young
[47:11] Speaker 1: niggas that don't work security. I done worked security 12
[47:14] Speaker 1: years with Puff. I know niggas that work longer than
[47:16] Speaker 1: that with other people and still finna for they own.
[47:20] Speaker 1: Not that you gotta give a nobody nothing. But damn,
[47:23] Speaker 1: this nigga been with me 15 years. This nigga been
[47:25] Speaker 1: running 20 hours with me. This nigga everywhere with... Yo,
[47:28] Speaker 1: let me surprise a nigga with a house.
[47:30] Speaker 4: Yeah, because 20 grand is one bergam for Cassie.
[47:35] Speaker 1: One bergam.
[47:36] Speaker 2: That ain't nothing.
[47:37] Speaker 1: Puff gave me a Rolex. He gave me a Rolex.
[47:40] Speaker 1: He bought 10 of us Rolexes, right? When 10 years hit,
[47:43] Speaker 1: he bought 10 of us Rolexes. I told him, yo,
[47:47] Speaker 1: what you give me a Rolex for if I ain't
[47:48] Speaker 1: got no money? You know what I'm saying? I don't
[47:51] Speaker 1: want to walk around with no $ 25 watch and I'm
[47:55] Speaker 1: living from check to check. First thing I did was
[47:58] Speaker 1: end up down here on the 19th floor somewhere with
[48:01] Speaker 1: the green box, the paperwork, everything else that's in here.
[48:06] Speaker 1: He asked me, he said, where you watch at? I
[48:08] Speaker 1: popped it. I got rid of it. What you mean
[48:10] Speaker 1: you got rid of it? Because what you gave me
[48:13] Speaker 1: was for the newspapers, for the magazines, because it came
[48:16] Speaker 1: out the next day. Puff gives 10 of his homeboys,
[48:20] Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, for being with him for
[48:22] Speaker 1: 10 years, watches. And all of us had the watches there.
[48:24] Speaker 2: And we know he got a deal on that.
[48:26] Speaker 4: Come on, you're going to get a deal.
[48:28] Speaker 3: It was good press, though. It was good press.
[48:29] Speaker 1: It was a great price.
[48:31] Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying?
[48:33] Speaker 1: And he flew the girl out to Paris to go
[48:36] Speaker 1: pick all 10 of them up. You know what I'm saying?
[48:38] Speaker 1: Because Shorty told me. She said, yeah, I flew out
[48:40] Speaker 1: there and got those for y'all. You know what I'm saying?
[48:42] Speaker 1: She told me exactly what she paid for them and everything.
[48:44] Speaker 1: And I said, okay. But I love the fact that
[48:48] Speaker 1: he gave me a watch because I was able to
[48:50] Speaker 1: go ahead and pawn that shit for 20 stacks. You
[48:52] Speaker 1: know what I'm saying? But that just shows you how
[48:55] Speaker 1: in tune you are with your people. I'm not giving
[48:58] Speaker 1: that nigga a watch. I'm going to give that nigga
[48:59] Speaker 1: a house. So that's one thing I know he ain't
[49:01] Speaker 1: got to worry about for the rest of his life.
[49:03] Speaker 1: And that's where these young niggas is at. See, people
[49:05] Speaker 1: bypass all that when they be talking about him. You
[49:08] Speaker 1: know what I'm saying? But I be talking to him.
[49:11] Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? And when I be talking
[49:12] Speaker 1: to him, oh, nah, nah, nah. The first thing baby
[49:16] Speaker 1: did for me was buy me a house. You know
[49:18] Speaker 1: what I'm saying? Because you got to think. about it. $ 250, 000,
[49:21] Speaker 1: even if you say I'm going to buy your house
[49:25] Speaker 1: and you pay me back for it every month, guess
[49:28] Speaker 1: what you're not doing? You're not buying two houses for
[49:31] Speaker 1: the price of one because there ain't no interest on
[49:33] Speaker 1: what I'm paying you back. So even if you said
[49:35] Speaker 1: my house is $ 250, 000, I'm going to get it and
[49:37] Speaker 1: buy that for you and you got to give me
[49:38] Speaker 1: a stack every month. You got to give me two
[49:40] Speaker 1: stacks every month. I'm paying 250. If you got a
[49:44] Speaker 1: 30 year mortgage, nigga, you paying six something for that
[49:46] Speaker 1: same house to.
[49:47] Speaker 2: Cost you something.
[49:49] Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? So if you got it
[49:51] Speaker 1: like that, go ahead and put that shit underneath the
[49:53] Speaker 1: company until he pay it off. You know what I'm saying?
[49:56] Speaker 1: But let's not put no interest on it because I
[49:58] Speaker 1: paid for it out of pocket. We getting 100,000 a
[50:00] Speaker 1: night all-star weekend. 100,000 a night NFL weekend. NFL Super Bowl.
[50:12] Speaker 1: $ 100, 000 a night, NBA Super Bowl. $ 100, 000 a night, Memorial weekend.
[50:16] Speaker 1: $ 100, 000 a night, Labor Day weekend. So that's $ 300, 000 in
[50:20] Speaker 1: one weekend. We talking Friday, Saturday, Sunday. Don't let it
[50:23] Speaker 1: be a Monday. You know what I'm saying? Because a
[50:25] Speaker 1: lot of times they do Monday too. So Friday, Saturday, Sunday, Monday,
[50:28] Speaker 1: you got $ 100, 000. At this time, you was getting $ 100, 000
[50:31] Speaker 1: every night. That's $ 400, 000. Let me just take this one
[50:34] Speaker 1: weekend and tell them, yo, and God bless the day.
[50:37] Speaker 1: That's what Biggie would do. You know what I'm saying?
[50:40] Speaker 1: Biggie would do that same. Biggie would say, yo, I
[50:42] Speaker 1: got all of these parties right here. My crew was small.
[50:46] Speaker 1: I only got six people. I got D-Rock.
[50:48] Speaker 2: Oh, you was around Biggie too?
[50:49] Speaker 1: No, I wasn't around Biggie. Oh, okay. But now I'm
[50:53] Speaker 1: listening to everything that we talking about because we got
[50:56] Speaker 1: a lot of late nights. You know what I'm saying?
[50:58] Speaker 1: So through these late nights, all of us is getting,
[51:02] Speaker 1: we becoming that clique. I was locked up when Biggie
[51:04] Speaker 1: actually was, what's more, I was in the feds then.
[51:06] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[51:07] Speaker 1: So now one party, Y'all got one party a year
[51:11] Speaker 1: where each of y'all, it's five of y'all. It's D-Rock,
[51:15] Speaker 1: it's Lil C's, it's Kim, it's L's. It's like five
[51:20] Speaker 1: of them. So each of y'all pick a night. Y'all
[51:22] Speaker 1: can't pick the weekends that I just told y'all. But
[51:26] Speaker 1: Biggie getting 50,000 a party. You got one party where
[51:29] Speaker 1: I just show up for an hour and I give
[51:31] Speaker 1: you the money. This is the shit that's going on.
[51:34] Speaker 2: Damn, Biggie was doing that?
[51:35] Speaker 1: Yeah, he was doing that.
[51:36] Speaker 2: That was real shit right there.
[51:37] Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? That's real shit. But if
[51:39] Speaker 1: you so hot like that, I just named y'all 15
[51:44] Speaker 1: nights where a person get 100,000. That's 1.5 million. Not
[51:49] Speaker 1: including all the other parties and all the other monies
[51:51] Speaker 1: and everything because I'm not counting your money. I'm just
[51:54] Speaker 1: counting that night right there. So it's nothing for you
[51:56] Speaker 1: to say, damn, we just got out of the jam
[51:58] Speaker 1: last night. This nigga just got me. In Paris, this
[52:01] Speaker 1: nigga just threw me in the car. And this nigga
[52:03] Speaker 1: stayed there. There's times I threw this nigga. Everybody know.
[52:06] Speaker 1: Niggas in Paris, for people that don't know, they ain't
[52:09] Speaker 1: nothing to play with. You know what I'm saying? Yeah.
[52:12] Speaker 1: Shit'll go down in Paris. Shit'll go down in London.
[52:14] Speaker 3: Of course. You know what I'm saying?
[52:15] Speaker 2: Easy.
[52:16] Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying?
[52:17] Speaker 1: Yeah. Y'all know it. You know what I'm saying? And
[52:19] Speaker 1: there's been times where I threw this nigga in the
[52:21] Speaker 1: car because he got girls with him. And he more
[52:25] Speaker 1: interested in the girls getting back to the hotel than you.
[52:27] Speaker 1: So go ahead, my nigga. They don't want me.
[52:30] Speaker 3: They don't want me.
[52:31] Speaker 1: They want you. So go ahead. Go ahead in the car, man.
[52:34] Speaker 1: I'll see you at the hotel. But meanwhile, I'm sitting
[52:37] Speaker 1: there explaining to a goon what just happened. You know
[52:40] Speaker 1: what I'm saying? And you got to explain it to
[52:42] Speaker 1: him with authority. You can't explain it to him humbly.
[52:46] Speaker 2: Yeah, like Puff just took your bitch, man.
[52:48] Speaker 1: Yeah. Ain't nothing you can do. But I'm saying, my nigga,
[52:53] Speaker 1: you want a problem with me? Nah, I ain't got
[52:56] Speaker 1: no problem with you. I like that. We ain't got
[52:58] Speaker 1: no problem. Matter of fact, being that he said he
[53:01] Speaker 1: already going to the hotel, that's me and you go
[53:03] Speaker 1: back in here for a drink. You know what I'm saying?
[53:05] Speaker 1: It's mind manipulation games that you got to play with
[53:07] Speaker 1: niggas when you out these people country. Yo, he already
[53:10] Speaker 1: in there. Matter of fact, man, come on. Let's go
[53:12] Speaker 1: ahead and have a drink.
[53:12] Speaker 4: You don't want to get locked up in foreign country,
[53:14] Speaker 4: I'm telling you. First of all, The language barrier is
[53:17] Speaker 4: the first mistake. So if that person know the language
[53:20] Speaker 4: and you don't, you lost already.
[53:21] Speaker 1: Oh yeah, as soon as you walk in the police station,
[53:24] Speaker 1: you the odd boy. I don't care who you are,
[53:26] Speaker 1: what you are.
[53:27] Speaker 3: You American.
[53:28] Speaker 1: You think you all that. You think you better than us.
[53:30] Speaker 1: And we not doing nothing for you.
[53:32] Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying?
[53:33] Speaker 2: So not to cut you off, but you being on
[53:35] Speaker 2: a lawsuit, right?
[53:36] Speaker 4: And Cassie said that you seen, you know, you stopped puffing,
[53:40] Speaker 4: beating up.
[53:40] Speaker 1: Did she give me something? No, no, no.
[53:42] Speaker 2: What's the situation?
[53:43] Speaker 1: Because that's the first thing people ask me. They be like, yo,
[53:46] Speaker 1: I know she pissed you off. Nah.
[53:48] Speaker 2: Nah, not even that. I wasn't even going to ask that.
[53:50] Speaker 4: I was going to ask, like, what's going through your
[53:51] Speaker 4: mind when that's going on?
[53:53] Speaker 2: And where did it happen at?
[53:55] Speaker 1: What's going on in my mind, to be real with you,
[53:58] Speaker 1: what was going through my mind was them people getting
[54:00] Speaker 1: ready to knock on my door. That's what was on
[54:03] Speaker 1: my mind. There's so much shit going on. that I'm
[54:07] Speaker 1: not even really thinking about you, old boy. I'm thinking
[54:10] Speaker 1: about if them people come knock on my door. You
[54:12] Speaker 1: know what I'm saying? Even though I ain't been with you,
[54:14] Speaker 1: they taking the time all the way back to 1999.
[54:17] Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? I got with you 2003.
[54:23] Speaker 1: So now I'm falling in. This girl got my name
[54:25] Speaker 1: in a lawsuit. Then I'm watching people on trial. And
[54:27] Speaker 1: they say, oh, Barnes used to bring me the money. Oh,
[54:29] Speaker 1: but I'm watching his money manager say, yo, after the party,
[54:32] Speaker 1: Barnes will bring it to me. Oh, I'm watching some
[54:34] Speaker 1: of his assistants get on there. Oh, I told Barnes.
[54:36] Speaker 1: I'm like, there ain't no way these niggas not going
[54:38] Speaker 1: to come knock on my door. Everybody to get up
[54:40] Speaker 1: here talking about Barnes, Barnes, Barnes, Barnes, Barnes. Now, what
[54:44] Speaker 1: crossed my mind then was, Am I loyal to a
[54:48] Speaker 1: fort now? You know what I'm saying? Or when these
[54:51] Speaker 1: people come hollering at me, he shitting on me, do
[54:53] Speaker 1: I holler back at him? And my inner self beat
[54:58] Speaker 1: came back with, yo nigga, you ain't got nothing to
[55:00] Speaker 1: talk to them people about. Not being there because it
[55:03] Speaker 1: was puff, because I would've had that same answer and
[55:07] Speaker 1: that same feeling for somebody who ain't have nothing. I've
[55:10] Speaker 1: been there and done that.
[55:12] Speaker 2: So what was going through your head?
[55:15] Speaker 4: What happened when you was there with the Cassie situation
[55:19] Speaker 4: and Puff?
[55:20] Speaker 2: What exactly happened? Where was that?
[55:21] Speaker 1: Well, it's been a couple of incidents, but the instance
[55:25] Speaker 1: she brought up was on Sunset when he was talking
[55:27] Speaker 1: to Johnny Wright. Johnny Wright was a manager for a
[55:31] Speaker 1: lot of big pop rock people, but he was also
[55:34] Speaker 1: a manager for Danny D. King. So him and Puff
[55:37] Speaker 1: had a somewhat relationship, but Because one is a label,
[55:41] Speaker 1: one is a manager. Of course, they don't get along.
[55:43] Speaker 1: So when Puff seen Cassie talking to him, he just
[55:46] Speaker 1: went into a rage. Because Puff was not only a man,
[55:50] Speaker 1: he was a manager and everything else. All accounts were
[55:53] Speaker 1: shut down. Any money that she got went straight to
[55:55] Speaker 1: his account. You know what I'm saying? So he's wondering,
[55:58] Speaker 1: what's she talking to him about? But he took off,
[56:01] Speaker 1: and all I seen him was do a flying kick,
[56:03] Speaker 1: you know? And he kicked her in the back. She
[56:06] Speaker 1: went on the floor. Damn. And he was on the
[56:08] Speaker 1: floor with her. And I was like, yo. And I'm
[56:10] Speaker 1: running up the block. You know what I'm saying?
[56:12] Speaker 2: Because- Now, this is on Sunset Boulevard.
[56:14] Speaker 1: Now, this is right on Sunset.
[56:14] Speaker 2: Raw Daylight.
[56:16] Speaker 3: Nah, it's nighttime.
[56:16] Speaker 2: Nighttime.
[56:17] Speaker 1: But everybody got a driver out there. Because it's a
[56:20] Speaker 1: war show.
[56:21] Speaker 2: So people see when he- People see.
[56:23] Speaker 1: People see everything. So that's what made me run over there.
[56:26] Speaker 1: And I grabbed him. I said, yo, what the fuck
[56:27] Speaker 1: you doing, yo? And his driver opened up the door
[56:31] Speaker 1: and I threw him in there. And then she had
[56:33] Speaker 1: went underneath the car. So I went over there and
[56:35] Speaker 1: grabbed her.
[56:36] Speaker 3: Now- She went under the car?
[56:38] Speaker 1: She went underneath the truck.
[56:39] Speaker 2: Damn, damn.
[56:39] Speaker 1: So she was so scared that she went underneath. You
[56:42] Speaker 1: know what I'm saying? So I said, Cassie, yo, come out,
[56:44] Speaker 1: come out, come out. So I put Cassie in the back.
[56:46] Speaker 1: He got in the front. So now while we driving
[56:50] Speaker 1: back to the hotel, something came from the back seat
[56:55] Speaker 1: and it was Cassie. And she hit that nigga so
[56:58] Speaker 1: hard in his motherfucking face. Like she had a ring,
[57:03] Speaker 1: a diamond ring that was so big. And all I
[57:05] Speaker 1: seen was her. So I'm driving, right? Now I'm driving
[57:09] Speaker 1: because the shit happened so fast. I told the driver
[57:11] Speaker 1: to stay back there with her. But now when he
[57:13] Speaker 1: get back there with her, he scared to touch her.
[57:16] Speaker 3: Of course.
[57:16] Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? Because he ain't us. So
[57:18] Speaker 1: he like, ah, ah, ah, ah. And she swings on
[57:21] Speaker 1: him from the front. So now I got the window open.
[57:24] Speaker 1: I'm trying to contain at the same time. People pulling up, oh,
[57:27] Speaker 1: that's Diddy, that's Cassie. Boom, boom. So I'm trying to
[57:29] Speaker 1: close the window at the same time. So we get
[57:32] Speaker 1: back to the crib. When we get back to the crib,
[57:35] Speaker 1: they go in the room. And I tell people all
[57:37] Speaker 1: the time, like when you go through social media, social
[57:40] Speaker 1: media going to make you the villain. So I tell
[57:42] Speaker 1: people all the time, you can't be responsible for something
[57:44] Speaker 1: that you don't see. So what he going to do
[57:47] Speaker 1: then is he going to go in the room. So
[57:49] Speaker 1: when a person come out of the room, however they look,
[57:52] Speaker 1: ain't nothing you can do about it. Because the magic
[57:55] Speaker 1: is that they still there. And nobody had a gun
[57:58] Speaker 1: to your head. Nobody made you stay there. Not only that,
[58:01] Speaker 1: I'm telling you get up out of here and you
[58:03] Speaker 1: running back and telling somebody.
[58:05] Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying?
[58:06] Speaker 1: I came to see him.
[58:06] Speaker 4: So was you frustrated because you started feeling like, damn,
[58:09] Speaker 4: this nigga can't give me a light 20 grand and
[58:11] Speaker 4: this nigga got me as the therapist and the bodyguard.
[58:13] Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying?
[58:14] Speaker 1: Nah, because the therapist shit was ahead of time. The money,
[58:19] Speaker 1: that money, and I'm not going to lie. Puff gave
[58:24] Speaker 1: me $ 30, 000, right?
[58:26] Speaker 3: For your son?
[58:28] Speaker 1: He gave me $ 30, 000 for my son, right?
[58:31] Speaker 2: In 2011.
[58:33] Speaker 1: My son's down there. Like, okay, all of us had cases.
[58:38] Speaker 1: All of us got New York cases. So we know
[58:40] Speaker 1: what it costs in New York. So imagine what it costs.
[58:43] Speaker 3: As a motherfucker in Africa.
[58:45] Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? From 2011, the case is
[58:49] Speaker 1: going on. They still going to court every year, every month,
[58:52] Speaker 1: every two months, every three months. So I'm giving a nigga,
[58:55] Speaker 1: I'm giving a nigga, I'm giving a nigga. You gave
[58:56] Speaker 1: me 30 at the end. I tell you, yo, it's
[58:59] Speaker 1: trial time now. 2024 was trial time. Yo, I need
[59:02] Speaker 1: that 20,000. This is the end of it.
[59:03] Speaker 3: And he knows exactly what the case is for and everything.
[59:05] Speaker 1: Huh?
[59:06] Speaker 3: And he knew what the case was about.
[59:07] Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. He knew what the case was because he posted.
[59:10] Speaker 1: it one time. After I hit him so many times,
[59:13] Speaker 1: I called him and I said, yo, my nigga. He said,
[59:15] Speaker 1: what's up? I said, yo, that's some fucked up shit.
[59:18] Speaker 1: He said, what you mean? I said, yo, man, my
[59:20] Speaker 1: son locked up, man. I been hitting you. I can't
[59:22] Speaker 1: get in touch with you, this, that. I asked you
[59:24] Speaker 1: just to post something to bring awareness. Yo, you right, Barnes.
[59:27] Speaker 2: You right. You right.
[59:28] Speaker 1: You'll call such and such and such and such and
[59:31] Speaker 1: tell him I said the post is. So I called
[59:33] Speaker 1: him and the post did some magic because there was
[59:36] Speaker 1: a lot of people in Africa that was watching and
[59:39] Speaker 1: it put them on to the case. But now when
[59:42] Speaker 1: he hit me, he said, yo, I got these three
[59:45] Speaker 1: people for you right here. Hit them. Anything you need
[59:47] Speaker 1: with your son, deal with them. So now that's when
[59:50] Speaker 1: he gave me the 20,000 for my son, right? Now,
[59:55] Speaker 1: when I hit them about Because they're not giving it
[59:58] Speaker 1: to me. They're sending it directly to the lawyer. I
[1:00:01] Speaker 1: don't want nothing to do with the money. So I'm
[1:00:03] Speaker 1: sending y'all the wire number, the international number, and it's
[1:00:07] Speaker 1: coming straight from the office to y'all so that y'all
[1:00:09] Speaker 1: don't think no funny business going on. So now I
[1:00:12] Speaker 1: tell him, I say, yo, we're going to trial. It's
[1:00:17] Speaker 1: time to get this thing together. So he gives me
[1:00:19] Speaker 1: all these people and say, yo, we're going to do this.
[1:00:22] Speaker 1: I call the people. They say, oh, we sent $ 20, 000.
[1:00:24] Speaker 1: We don't have the okay to send nothing else. I said,
[1:00:28] Speaker 1: Puff just told me that he told y'all to send
[1:00:30] Speaker 1: what's ever needed. So, cause the case, dah, dah, dah, dah.
[1:00:33] Speaker 1: Not gonna work, my son blows trial. You know what
[1:00:36] Speaker 1: I'm saying? He gets 29 years. Right?
[1:00:39] Speaker 4: Now he gets- So it was more money needed for
[1:00:42] Speaker 4: the trial?
[1:00:43] Speaker 3: Of course.
[1:00:44] Speaker 2: Of course.
[1:00:44] Speaker 1: Because you see what Puff got right now? And I'm
[1:00:46] Speaker 1: not on his level with that, but you see what
[1:00:49] Speaker 1: he got? He got a person to deal with every
[1:00:51] Speaker 1: facet of the case. He got a person that's good
[1:00:54] Speaker 1: with the rape shit. A person that's good with this.
[1:00:58] Speaker 1: So down there, you need a person, an advocate. That's
[1:01:01] Speaker 1: what they call them. It's only one lawyer, but you
[1:01:04] Speaker 1: need the advocates that specialize in different stuff. Okay. He
[1:01:09] Speaker 1: got international law from being from the United States. This
[1:01:11] Speaker 1: person specializes in that. Okay, he got a murder conviction.
[1:01:15] Speaker 1: This person specializes in that. Okay, he got weapons and
[1:01:18] Speaker 1: all that shit, international weapons stuff. They still ain't told
[1:01:22] Speaker 1: me how my son got a gun. They don't have
[1:01:25] Speaker 1: no gun. They don't have no weapon. They don't have
[1:01:27] Speaker 1: no witnesses. They don't have no nothing. This was an
[1:01:29] Speaker 1: open and shut case if I had a team.
[1:01:32] Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying?
[1:01:34] Speaker 1: And I'm putting puff up on the president, man. Me
[1:01:39] Speaker 1: and him is talking and all this, but all this
[1:01:41] Speaker 1: is through him. You know what I'm saying? They listening
[1:01:44] Speaker 1: to you. They not listening to me. Even though I'm
[1:01:46] Speaker 1: the father and I'm talking to you, they know you
[1:01:48] Speaker 1: got the money. So that's who they listening to. When
[1:01:52] Speaker 1: you call, they going to answer and all that.
[1:01:54] Speaker 5: So when the money stopped coming in, they stopped responding
[1:01:57] Speaker 5: and stuff like that.
[1:01:58] Speaker 1: What part of Africa was it?
[1:02:00] Speaker 3: Namibia. Okay.
[1:02:02] Speaker 2: What's that in there?
[1:02:02] Speaker 1: All the way down to South Africa. All the way
[1:02:05] Speaker 1: at the bottom. See, and when I do my homework,
[1:02:07] Speaker 1: because we all got people from Nigeria, from Lagos and
[1:02:10] Speaker 1: all that, but not from Namibia. Namibia is a country
[1:02:14] Speaker 1: that sold out to the Germans back in the 18 something.
[1:02:19] Speaker 1: So they respect Asian and European people more than they
[1:02:24] Speaker 1: respect Americans. Even when you go down there, like, you know,
[1:02:28] Speaker 1: they done brought out all the stores and did this
[1:02:30] Speaker 1: and brought all that. So that's the people that's in
[1:02:32] Speaker 1: with them is the people that's in. Puff is universal.
[1:02:36] Speaker 1: But at the same time, his people was telling me
[1:02:40] Speaker 1: that this is what his people was telling me. PR
[1:02:42] Speaker 1: team and everything. They said, ah, Barnes, Puff can't really
[1:02:46] Speaker 1: get involved in this. I said, what you mean? Ah,
[1:02:49] Speaker 1: your son is locked up down there for murder. He's
[1:02:51] Speaker 1: trying to open up some businesses in Africa. So we
[1:02:55] Speaker 1: advised him not to speak on it. So now my
[1:03:00] Speaker 1: beef is bigger now because where's the loyalty? How you
[1:03:04] Speaker 1: going to let these people tell you About your man, nigga, like,
[1:03:08] Speaker 1: this my son. She comes out and tells me straight up.
[1:03:10] Speaker 1: She said, yo, Puff may not want to tell you,
[1:03:12] Speaker 1: but I'm going to tell you. She said, yo, we've
[1:03:14] Speaker 1: advised him not to speak on the situation. Because when
[1:03:17] Speaker 1: he put the post up, he had so much backlash. Oh,
[1:03:22] Speaker 1: I heard you was trying to open up some businesses
[1:03:24] Speaker 1: down here. Mighty funny that you're trying to open up something,
[1:03:28] Speaker 1: but these Americans came down here and killed one of
[1:03:30] Speaker 1: our people. Now, They wouldn't have a problem with it
[1:03:35] Speaker 1: if it was a black dude. But my son is
[1:03:37] Speaker 1: convicted for killing a white guy, right? So it was
[1:03:42] Speaker 1: a guy from Columbia University, which is here. You know
[1:03:45] Speaker 1: what I'm saying? He was from Namibia, a white South African.
[1:03:49] Speaker 1: So his family is into diamonds. So he tells my son, co-defendant,
[1:03:56] Speaker 1: when I go back home, I'm going to give y'all
[1:03:58] Speaker 1: some diamonds, but y'all got to bring them back. So
[1:04:01] Speaker 1: my son is on Rikers Island at this particular time.
[1:04:04] Speaker 1: So he meets the dude, right? My son, knock on wood,
[1:04:07] Speaker 1: I ain't talking about this, but he blood. You know
[1:04:10] Speaker 1: what I'm saying? So he on Rikers Island. The dude
[1:04:12] Speaker 1: gets locked up from LA. So he can't use the
[1:04:15] Speaker 1: phone enough when he get to the island because he
[1:04:17] Speaker 1: don't know nobody. So my son say, yo, I got you.
[1:04:20] Speaker 1: So from my son taking care of him and everything,
[1:04:23] Speaker 1: he put my son up on this. He said, yo,
[1:04:25] Speaker 1: when I get out of here, I'm heading down to XYZ.
[1:04:28] Speaker 3: Right?
[1:04:29] Speaker 1: I go see my son. I talk to him. I
[1:04:31] Speaker 1: tell his mother, yo, he not ready to come out yet.
[1:04:34] Speaker 1: I said, what you mean? I said, yo, I was
[1:04:36] Speaker 1: in Ibiza. I got a phone call from the police
[1:04:38] Speaker 1: saying he got locked up with a gun. I said,
[1:04:40] Speaker 1: I was in Paris. I got a phone call from
[1:04:43] Speaker 1: the police saying he got locked up with a second gun.
[1:04:45] Speaker 1: I said, he not ready to come home. So that's
[1:04:47] Speaker 1: what he was on the island. I said, evidently he
[1:04:50] Speaker 1: beefing with somebody. I'm not in New York because I'm
[1:04:53] Speaker 1: running around with Puff. I said, until I get a
[1:04:55] Speaker 1: couple of days off where I can come back to
[1:04:57] Speaker 1: Harlem and find out who he beefing with and let
[1:04:59] Speaker 1: niggas know that's my son. He got to chill. Let
[1:05:03] Speaker 1: him stay on the island. But his mother don't listen
[1:05:05] Speaker 1: to him. You know, that's her baby. You know what
[1:05:08] Speaker 1: I'm saying? I'm getting my baby out of there. So
[1:05:10] Speaker 1: she goes and get him out of jail. So now
[1:05:13] Speaker 1: I comes back for Christmas. I see him. Take him
[1:05:16] Speaker 1: some money. Take him some Sean John boxes and all
[1:05:18] Speaker 1: that shit. He said, Dad, I'm going to Africa next week.
[1:05:23] Speaker 1: First of all, you ain't even got your passport. So
[1:05:25] Speaker 1: I'm not really paying him no attention. He wanted them
[1:05:28] Speaker 1: little niggas like, okay, you just talking, you talking. You
[1:05:30] Speaker 1: know what I'm saying? You just talking.
[1:05:32] Speaker 3: I ain't think you going to Africa.
[1:05:34] Speaker 1: I said, what you going to Africa for? So at
[1:05:36] Speaker 1: this time, MC Lyte had that joint. I need a
[1:05:38] Speaker 1: rough neck. I gotta have a rough neck. So he
[1:05:41] Speaker 1: had all them little niggas from Harlem with tattoos. trying
[1:05:44] Speaker 1: to be a model. You know what I'm saying? This
[1:05:46] Speaker 1: was when, what's the homie's name? What's all them little niggas?
[1:05:49] Speaker 1: What's the ball-headed dude, Tyson?
[1:05:52] Speaker 2: This was all of them.
[1:05:54] Speaker 1: Tyson, Doc, and all of them. They was all doing
[1:05:56] Speaker 1: their thing. So these little niggas think, oh yeah, I'm
[1:05:58] Speaker 1: going to be a roughneck, blah, blah, blah. So he said,
[1:06:01] Speaker 1: I'm going to go to Africa. He said, I'm going
[1:06:03] Speaker 1: to take some pictures and stuff. He said, because I
[1:06:06] Speaker 1: wanted a different concept from what everybody else bringing them.
[1:06:10] Speaker 1: My son's 6'4. You know what I'm saying? Curly-haired dude.
[1:06:13] Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? Okay, cool. You know, went
[1:06:15] Speaker 1: to Mary Bertram and all that other stuff. You know
[1:06:18] Speaker 1: who his man was? His man is Ja. You know Ja?
[1:06:21] Speaker 1: From Brooklyn? They used to hold Akon down.
[1:06:23] Speaker 3: I think I know who you're talking about.
[1:06:25] Speaker 1: Ja used to be with Nails all the time.
[1:06:26] Speaker 3: Ball-headed.
[1:06:27] Speaker 1: He knocked Shill down.
[1:06:28] Speaker 3: Okay, I know who Ja is.
[1:06:29] Speaker 2: Right?
[1:06:30] Speaker 1: So that's my... I don't know how my son and
[1:06:32] Speaker 1: Ja get tight like that. Right. You know what I'm saying?
[1:06:34] Speaker 1: Ja way older than him.
[1:06:35] Speaker 2: Right.
[1:06:36] Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? But... He talking and telling me, okay,
[1:06:39] Speaker 1: I'm going to do it. Yo, when I tell you
[1:06:42] Speaker 1: this shit goes through one ear and out the other,
[1:06:44] Speaker 1: I'm not thinking. So when his baby mother called me
[1:06:46] Speaker 1: and said, yo, Kev locked up. First thing I said
[1:06:48] Speaker 1: to him was, yo, he in Africa. What you mean
[1:06:50] Speaker 1: he locked up? She said, that's where he's locked up for.
[1:06:53] Speaker 1: I said, for what? She said, murder. So I immediately go,
[1:06:57] Speaker 1: I'm in Paris. So I'm halfway there. So Puff is like, yo,
[1:07:00] Speaker 1: you don't have to go back. He said, yo, man,
[1:07:02] Speaker 1: call Uncle Paulie and tell him to meet me at
[1:07:04] Speaker 1: the airport tomorrow. Because we leaving the next morning anyway.
[1:07:07] Speaker 1: He said, you go ahead to Paris. So yeah, to
[1:07:09] Speaker 1: answer your question, he definitely knew what it was. So
[1:07:12] Speaker 1: I shot to Paris. Got a lawyer and everything. I
[1:07:17] Speaker 1: go down there with a little 15,000. They take that
[1:07:19] Speaker 1: from me as soon as I get there. Because I'm green.
[1:07:22] Speaker 1: Everything that's going on now. All I know is my
[1:07:24] Speaker 1: boy is locked up. We need a lawyer. This is
[1:07:27] Speaker 1: who he told me to get. Boom, boom. He ended
[1:07:29] Speaker 1: up robbing me. You know what I'm saying? He ain't
[1:07:31] Speaker 1: doing nothing for my son for this money. You know
[1:07:33] Speaker 1: what I'm saying? But as time goes on, my son
[1:07:36] Speaker 1: know everybody in the jail. He got the whole jail
[1:07:38] Speaker 1: blooding when I go down there. I'm like, yo.
[1:07:40] Speaker 2: In Africa?
[1:07:41] Speaker 1: Yeah, in Africa. When I tell you, yo, niggas was
[1:07:46] Speaker 1: telling me, I'm watching videos. I'm like, damn, this Africa
[1:07:49] Speaker 1: jail look rough. I'm like, what the fuck? So I'm
[1:07:52] Speaker 1: worried about him. But when I get down there, he's like, nah, pop,
[1:07:55] Speaker 1: I'm all right. He's taller than me, 6'4. So I'm
[1:08:00] Speaker 1: getting ready to leave. He said, yo, lift your head up, Pop.
[1:08:02] Speaker 1: I'm all right, yo. This is what, he said, I'm
[1:08:05] Speaker 1: all right, Pop. So when I go back there, now
[1:08:08] Speaker 1: I'm starting to get hits. I'm starting to get DMs
[1:08:11] Speaker 1: and everything from people that's out there. And one lady
[1:08:13] Speaker 1: is like, yo, your son is such a sweetheart. I'm like,
[1:08:15] Speaker 1: what you mean? She said, yo, the police tried to
[1:08:17] Speaker 1: tell me I couldn't bring my phone in because I
[1:08:20] Speaker 1: didn't give him no phone number. Yo, your son jumped
[1:08:23] Speaker 1: up off the bench. I said, yo, he beaving with
[1:08:25] Speaker 1: the police? She said, yeah, police let me in after
[1:08:27] Speaker 1: he said this, that, and other. So now when I'm
[1:08:29] Speaker 1: going down there, I'm like, okay. This nigga know how
[1:08:31] Speaker 1: to handle himself.
[1:08:32] Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying?
[1:08:33] Speaker 1: He got judges because they got him in a special part.
[1:08:36] Speaker 1: So he got judges and lawyers and everything that got
[1:08:39] Speaker 1: locked up for... for shit that they done did down there.
[1:08:42] Speaker 1: At the end of the day, they still lawyers, they
[1:08:44] Speaker 1: still judges. They still got the knowledge. So now they
[1:08:47] Speaker 1: working on the case with him. So my son said, damn,
[1:08:49] Speaker 1: that everything I'm arguing in court is the stuff I
[1:08:53] Speaker 1: did myself. This lawyer ain't doing nothing for me. So
[1:08:55] Speaker 1: now when we blow his trial, he ends up getting
[1:08:58] Speaker 1: 29 years, right? But this is the kicker. The judge
[1:09:02] Speaker 1: tells him, I'm not giving you them 14 years that
[1:09:07] Speaker 1: you got in already. Damn. So now he got to
[1:09:11] Speaker 1: start the 29 over from 2025. That's crazy. So how
[1:09:15] Speaker 1: you going to do that? So now that's what I'm
[1:09:18] Speaker 1: in court fighting for now because at the end of
[1:09:20] Speaker 1: the day, I told my son, all right, you got 29.
[1:09:22] Speaker 1: I said, oh, for 29, you got to do 25.
[1:09:25] Speaker 1: So the embassy tells me, they say, yo, we can
[1:09:28] Speaker 1: transfer him once he get through all his appeals and
[1:09:31] Speaker 1: he's set with whatever time he going to get, we
[1:09:34] Speaker 1: could do a swap. So in the feds, they'll do
[1:09:37] Speaker 1: a swap where they take somebody from that country that's
[1:09:39] Speaker 1: locked up in the United States and they swap them out.
[1:09:42] Speaker 1: And then let my son go to the feds over here.
[1:09:45] Speaker 1: So at the end of the day, this is what
[1:09:46] Speaker 1: we came to. I say, 29 for 29, you get
[1:09:49] Speaker 1: 59 days a year. I said, all right, that's going
[1:09:53] Speaker 1: to break down to 25. I said, you got 14
[1:09:55] Speaker 1: in right now. All right, at the end of the day,
[1:09:57] Speaker 1: you got 10 left. That's where we at with it.
[1:10:00] Speaker 1: But then the judge says, yo, we're not counting them
[1:10:02] Speaker 1: over 14 years. So right now, the first thing I'm
[1:10:06] Speaker 1: fighting is the fact that you can't say that he
[1:10:08] Speaker 1: wasn't in your jail cell for 14 years. and count
[1:10:11] Speaker 1: no time. Then we could fight the other stuff, but
[1:10:14] Speaker 1: let's get you amount of time first. You know what
[1:10:17] Speaker 1: I'm saying? And that's what I needed from Diddy. That's
[1:10:19] Speaker 1: what I needed the money for. I needed the money
[1:10:21] Speaker 1: to make sure this nigga got the right amount of
[1:10:23] Speaker 1: time that he was supposed to get. Even though he
[1:10:26] Speaker 1: wasn't even... Yo, the embassy was sat right next to me.
[1:10:29] Speaker 1: They had his plane ticket. They had everything. They said, yo,
[1:10:32] Speaker 1: they don't have no evidence on this case. They said,
[1:10:35] Speaker 1: this is what we need you to do. We need
[1:10:37] Speaker 1: you to get your son right after this verdict, take
[1:10:39] Speaker 1: him to your hotel. Give us four hours and we're
[1:10:42] Speaker 1: going to expedite the passport and we'll be ready to go.
[1:10:46] Speaker 1: So even when they came back with guilty and gave
[1:10:48] Speaker 1: him all that time, even the embassy was looking at me.
[1:10:51] Speaker 1: But the embassy is quote unquote, which we know is bullshit.
[1:10:55] Speaker 1: They told me we don't have nothing to do with
[1:10:56] Speaker 1: the criminality of the case. We just got to make
[1:11:00] Speaker 1: sure that he's treated and given everything that he's supposed
[1:11:02] Speaker 1: to be given as a United States citizen in jail
[1:11:06] Speaker 1: down there. But we all know with certain people get
[1:11:10] Speaker 1: locked up in certain phone calls that could be made.
[1:11:12] Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying?
[1:11:14] Speaker 1: And shit going to happen. We done seen Trump do
[1:11:16] Speaker 1: it and all that type of shit.
[1:11:17] Speaker 2: Rob Markman I got locked up in the airport in Turkey.
[1:11:19] Speaker 2: Made that call. 50.
[1:11:21] Speaker 4: Drinking tea in the back of the precinct. So I
[1:11:26] Speaker 4: know how you feeling. That call from Puff, that's all
[1:11:28] Speaker 4: you really needed. I know he couldn't do it. Maybe
[1:11:33] Speaker 4: he gave you the bread and he just felt like, yo,
[1:11:35] Speaker 4: I gave him enough. People in his head, because you
[1:11:37] Speaker 4: know how it is in the industry. People get in
[1:11:39] Speaker 4: his head, yo, Barnes, he's just your security, blah, blah, blah.
[1:11:43] Speaker 4: Why are you doing this? Why are you posting this
[1:11:45] Speaker 4: for his son?
[1:11:45] Speaker 2: Blah, blah, blah.
[1:11:47] Speaker 4: And honestly, he could have made one phone call and
[1:11:49] Speaker 4: that could have changed the whole situation.
[1:11:51] Speaker 1: You see, when people say stuff like that, I listen
[1:11:54] Speaker 1: to it because people hit me all the time. Yo, B,
[1:11:57] Speaker 1: you had a nine to five. You was just a
[1:11:58] Speaker 1: security guard. Nah, nah, nah.
[1:12:00] Speaker 3: Not the shit that you know you've been through with it. Right.
[1:12:03] Speaker 1: You can't sit there.
[1:12:04] Speaker 3: I was like, nigga, man, we've been through some real shit, man.
[1:12:06] Speaker 3: Fuck all that shit.
[1:12:07] Speaker 5: This ain't no regular nine to five.
[1:12:09] Speaker 1: This ain't no nine to five. First of all, we
[1:12:11] Speaker 1: lived in the same house, so this was 24-7. Because
[1:12:15] Speaker 1: if you get up at three in the morning and
[1:12:16] Speaker 1: you want to go somewhere, you're going to hit that
[1:12:18] Speaker 1: PA system, your boss. You'll get the car ready. You
[1:12:21] Speaker 1: know what I'm saying? Get the car ready.
[1:12:22] Speaker 3: Yo, where we going?
[1:12:23] Speaker 1: Yeah, I got to go. Whether it's just to see
[1:12:25] Speaker 1: your girl, whether it's just to see anybody, anything.
[1:12:28] Speaker 3: Whatever.
[1:12:28] Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? Nigga, I told you, get up.
[1:12:31] Speaker 1: Let's go. So it ain't a nine to five. You
[1:12:33] Speaker 1: know what I'm saying? Second of all, we talking about when, okay,
[1:12:39] Speaker 1: I'm going to say for instance, them fans that used
[1:12:41] Speaker 1: to work with us, the police that used to work
[1:12:44] Speaker 1: with us, they was there for a certain amount of time.
[1:12:48] Speaker 1: And then they knew they was going home. I ain't
[1:12:51] Speaker 1: get to go home. I wasn't there for a certain
[1:12:54] Speaker 1: amount of time.
[1:12:54] Speaker 2: Rob Markman And them niggas probably getting paid more than you.
[1:12:56] Speaker 1: Rob Markman Yeah, because they was legally armed and they
[1:13:02] Speaker 1: getting paid, I think at that time it was 150
[1:13:04] Speaker 1: an hour. You know what I'm saying? But we out
[1:13:08] Speaker 1: 15 hours. So guess what? After 10 hours, pups start
[1:13:12] Speaker 1: counting that money. Yo, tell them niggas they could go home.
[1:13:16] Speaker 1: Not that the danger lessened, because it's getting late at night.
[1:13:19] Speaker 3: It's just getting too expensive.
[1:13:20] Speaker 1: It's just getting too expensive. Yo, tell them niggas they
[1:13:22] Speaker 1: could go home. You going to be here, right? All right, nigga,
[1:13:24] Speaker 1: tell them niggas to go home. You know what I'm saying?
[1:13:28] Speaker 1: So now, I'm also moving with people that I can't
[1:13:31] Speaker 1: let know what I'm really doing. Because I don't give
[1:13:35] Speaker 1: a fuck if you're working with me or not. If
[1:13:37] Speaker 1: you the fed or you the police, you're not going
[1:13:39] Speaker 1: to never know if I'm strapped or not. You know
[1:13:42] Speaker 1: what I'm saying? I'm never going to tell you. You
[1:13:45] Speaker 1: know what I'm saying? Unless something really, really happened. Because
[1:13:48] Speaker 1: I know at the end of the day, this is
[1:13:50] Speaker 1: just your, what they call a moonlight. This is your
[1:13:53] Speaker 1: side hustle. You're not giving, and I used to have
[1:13:56] Speaker 1: them talks with them all the time. Yo, my nigga,
[1:13:57] Speaker 1: you know them niggas ain't going to pull no hammer.
[1:13:59] Speaker 1: It was like a situation. So that's why, like, no
[1:14:02] Speaker 1: matter what situation Puff got in, yeah, them fans is good.
[1:14:06] Speaker 1: They great. But they don't know who you got a
[1:14:09] Speaker 1: situation with. I know everybody that you got a situation with.
[1:14:13] Speaker 1: And that's what makes us different. You know what I'm saying?
[1:14:16] Speaker 1: So when people say, yo, you was just saying, nah,
[1:14:18] Speaker 1: I ain't security when I'm spending Christmas with your family.
[1:14:21] Speaker 1: I'm spending Thanksgiving with your family. You know what I'm saying?
[1:14:23] Speaker 1: I'm doing shit. We doing shit. I'm making sure you
[1:14:26] Speaker 1: get in the car. Nah, it ain't a nine to five.
[1:14:29] Speaker 1: And then you're not there for the conversations. See, that's
[1:14:33] Speaker 1: the thing that get to me. It's not about the job.
[1:14:35] Speaker 1: It's about the conversations. When you look in my eye
[1:14:38] Speaker 1: and I look in your eye and you tell me, yo,
[1:14:40] Speaker 1: if you ever need me, my nigga, I'm here, B.
[1:14:42] Speaker 1: But that's when we get into a situation and we
[1:14:45] Speaker 1: make it home safe. Then that conversation that night is
[1:14:48] Speaker 1: different than that other conversation. Because that conversation that night is... Damn,
[1:14:52] Speaker 1: my nigga, that shit was crazy, right? Yeah, nigga. Yeah,
[1:14:56] Speaker 1: we made it back, though.
[1:14:57] Speaker 3: You damn near saved my life, my nigga.
[1:14:59] Speaker 1: My nigga, come on. You know what I'm saying?
[1:15:01] Speaker 3: You ever need me, my nigga.
[1:15:02] Speaker 5: Whatever you ever need from me, my nigga's there, my nigga.
[1:15:06] Speaker 3: And then you hold that shit in your heart. And
[1:15:08] Speaker 3: then when the time come around, you really need something,
[1:15:10] Speaker 3: and the nigga say, I ain't even got that right now, playboy.
[1:15:14] Speaker 2: Yo.
[1:15:15] Speaker 1: Not when you talk about, yo, you giving $ 1, 000 haircuts
[1:15:18] Speaker 1: and you get Young Miami and then talk about.
[1:15:21] Speaker 4: She got $ 500, 000. Nigga have you with five jobs. Like,
[1:15:24] Speaker 4: nigga's the driver. the therapist, the bodyguard, the gunman, the
[1:15:29] Speaker 4: hold the bag man, the assistant, to take the cars,
[1:15:33] Speaker 4: get the cars oiled.
[1:15:34] Speaker 3: Look, look.
[1:15:35] Speaker 1: And I'm going to tell you on top of that,
[1:15:39] Speaker 1: and it's in the book. Not only am I got,
[1:15:42] Speaker 1: and this is one thing that I heard from my
[1:15:45] Speaker 1: man Big Vic and all of them that worked with
[1:15:47] Speaker 1: 50 on the tour and all that, right? I bought
[1:15:50] Speaker 1: my house and everything. I ain't got no complaints. You
[1:15:53] Speaker 1: know what I'm saying? Nigga said, yo, nigga, I might
[1:15:55] Speaker 1: not be where I want me no more, but I
[1:15:56] Speaker 1: ain't got no complaints. Nigga, I bought my house and
[1:15:59] Speaker 1: everything off a tour. Look at that. Right? Now, Puff
[1:16:02] Speaker 1: is the type of person, because I don't talk about
[1:16:04] Speaker 1: nothing that ain't happened. I get a call to the
[1:16:07] Speaker 1: office one day, yo, what the fuck is going on?
[1:16:11] Speaker 1: All right, we signed to, not Universal, we signed to
[1:16:16] Speaker 1: Atlantic Records, right? Bad Boy is underneath Atlantic. So all
[1:16:20] Speaker 1: the bills got to go to Lyon. All the bills
[1:16:23] Speaker 1: from Bad Boy go to Leo. So they look at it.
[1:16:27] Speaker 1: What the fuck is this security nigga putting in 130
[1:16:29] Speaker 1: hours for on the invoice? Yo, the driver got 130
[1:16:33] Speaker 1: hours on here. Nigga, we worked 130 hours, right? So
[1:16:40] Speaker 1: guess what? Leo up there, oh, this nigga got his bills, this, this, that,
[1:16:45] Speaker 1: and the other. So now they call Puff. All I
[1:16:48] Speaker 1: hear in the car is, yo, I know them motherfuckers
[1:16:51] Speaker 1: ain't do no shit like that, right? So I'm looking back.
[1:16:54] Speaker 1: It's your boss, too? Nigga, why wouldn't I put in
[1:16:58] Speaker 1: an invoice? If we leave your call time at 7
[1:17:01] Speaker 1: in the morning, we don't get back in the house
[1:17:03] Speaker 1: at 3 in the morning. Nigga, that's every hour that
[1:17:06] Speaker 1: I work. So I'm going to put that down. This
[1:17:09] Speaker 1: nigga get mad at you. Yo, I don't know what
[1:17:13] Speaker 1: you're going to do, playboy. But then they'll come behind
[1:17:15] Speaker 1: you and say, yo, bitch. Yo, if you need something, man,
[1:17:18] Speaker 1: just let me know if you need something. I got you.
[1:17:20] Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? But I can't pay. You know,
[1:17:22] Speaker 1: them niggas in Atlanta.
[1:17:23] Speaker 2: You said you put in 130 hours.
[1:17:25] Speaker 1: My nigga, 130 hours. Don't let an album be coming
[1:17:28] Speaker 1: out where niggas sleep in that motherfucking studio and all
[1:17:31] Speaker 1: that shit. This nigga Puff came out the studio one
[1:17:33] Speaker 1: time in LA, nigga. We in the studio. I'm outside
[1:17:37] Speaker 1: in the truck, sitting in the truck. I went to sleep.
[1:17:42] Speaker 1: It's just me and him. It's 7 o'clock in the
[1:17:44] Speaker 1: morning right now. Nigga, I'm not on the same shit
[1:17:46] Speaker 1: you on. You know what I'm saying? So I done
[1:17:49] Speaker 1: fell asleep. This nigga done reached through the window, took
[1:17:52] Speaker 1: the key out the ignition, right? Goes back in the
[1:17:55] Speaker 1: studio and then run out the studio. Yo, it's time.
[1:17:58] Speaker 1: So I jump up. What's your reaction? Your first reaction
[1:18:02] Speaker 1: is to turn the key. Ain't no motherfucking key in
[1:18:05] Speaker 1: the junk. This nigga rolling. He on the floor laughing. Yo, nigga,
[1:18:09] Speaker 1: you got me in the middle of Bloods. Got me
[1:18:11] Speaker 1: in the middle of Crips. You sleep in the truck.
[1:18:13] Speaker 1: He said, but I know you tired, my nigga. Don't worry, buddy.
[1:18:16] Speaker 1: He said, come on, let's go home. But this is
[1:18:18] Speaker 1: the type of shit that I say a nigga do. Nigga,
[1:18:21] Speaker 1: you ain't the only nigga in a situation. If they come, nigga,
[1:18:25] Speaker 1: they gonna hit me up first to get inside the door.
[1:18:28] Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? So yeah, I'm gonna reach
[1:18:31] Speaker 1: under the seat, but nigga, that's too late. How many
[1:18:34] Speaker 1: niggas we know that then got clapped and when they
[1:18:37] Speaker 1: found him, the nigga had his joint on his waist?
[1:18:39] Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying?
[1:18:40] Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's real talk.
[1:18:41] Speaker 3: That's why I try to tell.
[1:18:43] Speaker 1: People, this ain't no security where you come in at
[1:18:46] Speaker 1: 9 and you leave at 5 and you come in
[1:18:47] Speaker 1: at 10. Every morning, man, I pray to God every
[1:18:51] Speaker 1: morning when I used to leave the house, I say, yo,
[1:18:55] Speaker 1: bring him home safe before I get home safe. You
[1:18:59] Speaker 1: know what I'm saying? Because in my mind, that was
[1:19:02] Speaker 1: my principle. That was my responsibility. So nigga, if I
[1:19:06] Speaker 1: don't make it home, I'm cool. You made it home.
[1:19:09] Speaker 1: But guess what the deal was? The deal was that
[1:19:12] Speaker 1: if you don't make it, nigga, I got your family.
[1:19:15] Speaker 1: This is the conversation. So now that I didn't die,
[1:19:19] Speaker 1: my son is my family and I need you. And
[1:19:22] Speaker 1: if you ain't doing this while I'm alive. What you
[1:19:24] Speaker 1: going to do if I die, nigga? And that's the
[1:19:27] Speaker 1: thought that started coming through my mind. You know what
[1:19:30] Speaker 1: I'm saying? Damn. So when people say, yo, why don't
[1:19:33] Speaker 1: you do this? Why don't you do that? And my
[1:19:35] Speaker 1: niggas is telling me, saying, yo, my nigga, you know
[1:19:37] Speaker 1: every crib that nigga got. Why you just don't roll
[1:19:40] Speaker 1: up there? You know what I'm saying? And I'm telling you,
[1:19:45] Speaker 1: this ain't 1980. This is 2002. Nigga, you can't be
[1:19:47] Speaker 1: rolling up on nigga. Nigga will call the police on you. Right.
[1:19:50] Speaker 1: And the first thing they're going to say is, yo,
[1:19:51] Speaker 1: I'm a civilian. Nigga, I'm Puff Daddy. Nigga, that nigga
[1:19:54] Speaker 1: came up here with all type of joints trying to
[1:19:56] Speaker 1: threaten me. But ain't nobody going to look at him
[1:19:59] Speaker 1: funny for saying something about me. But if I say
[1:20:02] Speaker 1: something about him, everybody.
[1:20:04] Speaker 2: Will give me excuse. Because he got more bread.
[1:20:06] Speaker 4: People are just loyal to the money, man. Motherfucker can
[1:20:11] Speaker 4: do whatever. You know what I'm saying? Like I said,
[1:20:13] Speaker 4: you had 10 jobs. You're the therapist. You're breaking up
[1:20:15] Speaker 4: fights with Cassie. You're the driver. You're driving four or five.
[1:20:19] Speaker 2: In the morning. You're the gunman. You're security. You're the assistant.
[1:20:24] Speaker 4: You're carrying bags. You the guy making calls for them. Yo, Barnes, Barnes,
[1:20:29] Speaker 4: PA system. Four or five in the morning. 3 a.m.,
[1:20:32] Speaker 4: 7 in the morning. Nigga giving you the same pay.
[1:20:34] Speaker 4: And then when you say, yo, I worked 139 hours,
[1:20:37] Speaker 4: they looking at you like you crazy.
[1:20:39] Speaker 2: Know what I'm saying? But go buy a bitch a
[1:20:41] Speaker 2: Berkham or buy a bitch a Rollia. That's what I
[1:20:43] Speaker 2: be doing. But you can't take it.
[1:20:46] Speaker 3: Huh?
[1:20:47] Speaker 2: And it's not pocket watching. It's not pocket watching.
[1:20:50] Speaker 1: It's what's yours.
[1:20:51] Speaker 2: It's just like, yo, bro, I've been loyal to you.
[1:20:53] Speaker 2: I put my life on the line and everything.
[1:20:55] Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying? You had 10 jobs. You
[1:20:57] Speaker 4: was a man therapist, his friend, his bodyguard, his family.
[1:21:02] Speaker 4: He made stupid decisions. You stopped him from casting. I
[1:21:04] Speaker 4: didn't hear you say not one thing fashionably. You said
[1:21:08] Speaker 4: all good things. You tried to help.
[1:21:10] Speaker 2: Christmas. I've seen this. I've seen this. People be loyal
[1:21:14] Speaker 2: and get the bad end of the stick. That's what
[1:21:16] Speaker 2: it sound like.
[1:21:16] Speaker 1: Pause.
[1:21:17] Speaker 3: Right? That's a pause. You know what I'm saying?
[1:21:22] Speaker 4: So for me, it's the real report. I'm glad you
[1:21:25] Speaker 4: came on the show to tell your truth. Because the
[1:21:27] Speaker 4: book is about your life. excuse me, it's not all
[1:21:30] Speaker 4: about just Diddy. It's just the situations you went through. Yeah,
[1:21:34] Speaker 4: he looked out for you here and there, but he
[1:21:36] Speaker 4: could have did more.
[1:21:37] Speaker 2: I agree with you.
[1:21:38] Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? And that's what the book
[1:21:39] Speaker 1: is about. The book is not for... The book is
[1:21:44] Speaker 1: a lesson. If you read the book and you go
[1:21:47] Speaker 1: through the book, and I call it... I call it
[1:21:50] Speaker 1: the bonds, right? The word of the bonds contract, right?
[1:21:54] Speaker 1: The word is bond contract. So after each chapter... I
[1:22:00] Speaker 1: show my loyalty. I show a situation, right? And when
[1:22:04] Speaker 1: I be talking, like I got a joint I'm talking
[1:22:07] Speaker 1: in next week with the chief of police in Columbia,
[1:22:09] Speaker 1: South Carolina with the kids with gun violence, right? Because
[1:22:13] Speaker 1: when I was talking to him, he thought the way
[1:22:16] Speaker 1: that I talked and everything I was going through with Puff,
[1:22:18] Speaker 1: he didn't know I ever went to jail. So even
[1:22:20] Speaker 1: when I told him what I went to jail for,
[1:22:22] Speaker 1: he said, what you went to jail for? I went
[1:22:24] Speaker 1: to jail for manslaughter. Oh, we need you, we need you.
[1:22:28] Speaker 1: So now it opened them up to say, okay, Not.
[1:22:32] Speaker 5: Only do we have this, he been through it. He
[1:22:35] Speaker 5: know what the other side is and now he talking
[1:22:37] Speaker 5: positive on this side. So this is perfect for what
[1:22:40] Speaker 5: we trying to do.
[1:22:41] Speaker 1: And that's why when people say, why you do a book?
[1:22:44] Speaker 1: Why you do a book? I did a book because
[1:22:46] Speaker 1: some shit get thrown at you and you can bob
[1:22:48] Speaker 1: and weave it. You know what I'm saying? Like I
[1:22:50] Speaker 1: got five daughters. So shit done been, I done, you
[1:22:55] Speaker 1: know what I'm saying? I done went through it with
[1:22:57] Speaker 1: my daughters.
[1:22:58] Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying?
[1:22:58] Speaker 1: With guys and everything else like that. Cassie had hit
[1:23:02] Speaker 1: me in the spot. You know what I'm saying? So
[1:23:04] Speaker 1: when she ain't listen, I said, okay, I'm a duck that,
[1:23:06] Speaker 1: I'm a duck that, I'm a duck that. But then
[1:23:08] Speaker 1: when she put me in the lawsuit and it came
[1:23:10] Speaker 1: back to me, I said, Sometimes God bring you something
[1:23:13] Speaker 1: over and over and over again until you speak on it.
[1:23:17] Speaker 1: So I even went to school. I took the domestic
[1:23:19] Speaker 1: violence certification. I became an advocate in that shit. We
[1:23:23] Speaker 1: all took the alternative to violence shit. I just took
[1:23:27] Speaker 1: another one from jail and then I took it and
[1:23:29] Speaker 1: moved it up and all that. And I say, oh, God,
[1:23:31] Speaker 1: keep coming to me about this. Not only that, when
[1:23:35] Speaker 1: I caught the body, It was the only one person
[1:23:39] Speaker 1: I could talk to. And I tell people that all
[1:23:41] Speaker 1: the time. And that was God.
[1:23:42] Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying? God is good.
[1:23:45] Speaker 1: God is good. God is good. You know what I'm saying?
[1:23:47] Speaker 3: How many bodies you got, my nigga?
[1:23:48] Speaker 1: You had me up here like the nigga Haas. I
[1:23:51] Speaker 1: done killed more niggas than you.
[1:23:56] Speaker 3: Get out of here.
[1:23:58] Speaker 1: I can talk about it because I did my time.
[1:24:03] Speaker 1: I tell niggas all the time. I say, yo, that
[1:24:05] Speaker 1: shit is just... Back then... it was just as many
[1:24:09] Speaker 1: bodies going on back then as it is now.
[1:24:12] Speaker 3: You know what's crazy?
[1:24:14] Speaker 5: It was way more. It was way more. The murder
[1:24:18] Speaker 5: rate was up back then. You talking about at least
[1:24:21] Speaker 5: a year, nigga, it was 1,300, 1,200 people getting killed
[1:24:25] Speaker 5: for real on these streets. Now it'd be probably about,
[1:24:27] Speaker 5: not saying like it's a bad thing, it's a good thing,
[1:24:29] Speaker 5: but now.
[1:24:29] Speaker 3: It's only about 300, 400, 500.
[1:24:31] Speaker 5: It's not as crazy as it used to be, but
[1:24:34] Speaker 5: it get highlighted more because of social media. So you
[1:24:36] Speaker 5: see things and it looks so crazy, you like, oh man,
[1:24:38] Speaker 5: they well enough, they're acting crazy.
[1:24:40] Speaker 3: No, but it used to really be crazy.
[1:24:42] Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying? There's a lot of cameras now,
[1:24:44] Speaker 5: things too.
[1:24:45] Speaker 1: It's cameras now, and the difference is, the biggest difference
[1:24:48] Speaker 1: is there was a lot of bodies back then, but
[1:24:51] Speaker 1: they was of age. They was dudes who was in
[1:24:53] Speaker 1: the street doing what they had to do. Now you
[1:24:55] Speaker 1: got a bunch of kids killing each other.
[1:24:57] Speaker 5: Doing certain things. Dudes was young back then too though.
[1:25:00] Speaker 5: Dudes was young, dudes was young. But we was getting money.
[1:25:02] Speaker 5: The fact is they not even thinking about no money.
[1:25:04] Speaker 5: They not even thinking about no money. They just want
[1:25:06] Speaker 5: to bang who repping this gang, repping this gang, doing
[1:25:09] Speaker 5: it for social media purposes, weird, mixed up with it.
[1:25:12] Speaker 3: It do be kind of weird nowadays. I know what
[1:25:14] Speaker 3: you mean.
[1:25:14] Speaker 1: With that shit, man.
[1:25:15] Speaker 3: It's not about no money. It's not about no money, man.
[1:25:18] Speaker 3: So that be the weird part. That's the weird part
[1:25:20] Speaker 3: right there.
[1:25:20] Speaker 1: Because I got a bunch of friends that got killed.
[1:25:23] Speaker 1: I got a friend that got killed for gazelles. We
[1:25:26] Speaker 1: got friends that got killed for Jordans. You know what
[1:25:29] Speaker 1: I'm saying?
[1:25:29] Speaker 3: Jackets, all type of crazy shit back then, boy.
[1:25:32] Speaker 1: The V-Bomber.
[1:25:33] Speaker 3: Real talk.
[1:25:33] Speaker 1: People with jackets, starters.
[1:25:36] Speaker 3: You've seen it all, man.
[1:25:37] Speaker 2: Back then, man.
[1:25:37] Speaker 1: But it's like you said. It wasn't no media and
[1:25:39] Speaker 1: all that. And it was niggas that was getting money.
[1:25:41] Speaker 1: Because 9 out of 10, if you had that type
[1:25:43] Speaker 1: of shit, you was out there. You was hustling.
[1:25:45] Speaker 3: You was hustling. You was getting some money. You was
[1:25:46] Speaker 3: getting some money.
[1:25:47] Speaker 1: Niggas was dying on the stoop and all that shit.
[1:25:49] Speaker 1: But nowadays, it's just more crazy. And when I be
[1:25:52] Speaker 1: talking to the kids and I show them the book,
[1:25:55] Speaker 1: Because they say, yo, man, I thought this was just
[1:25:57] Speaker 1: all about Diddy. Nah, this is about whole life. This
[1:26:00] Speaker 1: is about Rikers Island. This is about the feds. This
[1:26:03] Speaker 1: is about how you're going to feel.
[1:26:05] Speaker 3: It's how to move in life a little bit, period.
[1:26:08] Speaker 1: With your loyalty.
[1:26:08] Speaker 3: Definitely. With your loyalty.
[1:26:10] Speaker 1: Because a lot of us think, well, a lot of
[1:26:11] Speaker 1: them kids, when you really listen to them, they'll do
[1:26:14] Speaker 1: anything for a nigga who got money. You know what
[1:26:18] Speaker 1: I'm saying? And that's not loyalty. That's stupidity. Definitely. You
[1:26:21] Speaker 1: know what I'm saying? It's the difference between loyalty and stupidity.
[1:26:25] Speaker 1: Loyalty is with somebody that you got a history with
[1:26:27] Speaker 1: and somebody you got love for. Stupidity is just somebody
[1:26:30] Speaker 1: who got some money that you might have just knew
[1:26:32] Speaker 1: for six months.
[1:26:33] Speaker 3: But you're trying to prove yourself. He can make you
[1:26:37] Speaker 3: do anything. Yeah, exactly.
[1:26:39] Speaker 1: And And that's where me and Puff was going. Like
[1:26:42] Speaker 1: to answer your question, that's where we was going. We
[1:26:45] Speaker 1: was starting to argue all the time. Like who the
[1:26:48] Speaker 1: fuck argues with the boss? But I'm actually arguing with
[1:26:51] Speaker 1: you because I'm at the point where a lot of
[1:26:54] Speaker 1: this shit you're doing is stupid. You know what I'm saying?
[1:26:56] Speaker 1: You're doing stupid shit. We did this shit when we
[1:26:58] Speaker 1: was in the 30s, all the way to the 40s.
[1:27:00] Speaker 1: Now that your kids done became an age, you want
[1:27:03] Speaker 1: to relive it and go back. I don't want to
[1:27:06] Speaker 1: get up three in the morning right now, four in
[1:27:07] Speaker 1: the morning no more. I thought that shit was over.
[1:27:09] Speaker 2: Yeah, them niggas were young niggas.
[1:27:10] Speaker 1: Yeah. You know what I'm saying? But now you're 45
[1:27:13] Speaker 1: and you're doing it all over again because Justin didn't
[1:27:16] Speaker 1: reach age. Because Kristen didn't reach age. You know what
[1:27:19] Speaker 1: I'm saying? And that goes back. When I was there,
[1:27:22] Speaker 1: niggas used to tell me, yo, my nigga, ever since
[1:27:24] Speaker 1: you left, this shit is crazy. I just be like,
[1:27:27] Speaker 1: what you mean? He said, we in the house right now.
[1:27:29] Speaker 1: What you doing in the house? We in there with
[1:27:31] Speaker 1: a bunch of bitches. This, that, and the other. And
[1:27:34] Speaker 1: they're Christian friends. They're Justin friends. So, of course, ain't
[1:27:38] Speaker 1: nobody on that door saying, yo, let me see. Man,
[1:27:40] Speaker 1: when we used to have them parties in Miami, I'll
[1:27:43] Speaker 1: be right on that gate. If something on there, yo,
[1:27:45] Speaker 1: let me see your ID. Ain't nobody out there, nobody
[1:27:49] Speaker 1: going in. Puff is high out his mind, my nigga.
[1:27:52] Speaker 1: So he's not responsible for who going in his house.
[1:27:55] Speaker 1: That's your job to be responsible about who going in
[1:27:58] Speaker 1: his house. But it came to a point where now
[1:28:00] Speaker 1: everybody is partying. Because you so high, you not thinking about, damn,
[1:28:05] Speaker 1: that's my security in here talking to Shorty. Who the
[1:28:08] Speaker 1: fuck is on the gate outside? You know what I'm saying?
[1:28:11] Speaker 1: I ain't give a fuck about that. I was one
[1:28:12] Speaker 1: of them niggas that, yo, at the beginning of the party,
[1:28:15] Speaker 1: I'm going to grab my thing and I'm going to
[1:28:17] Speaker 1: stash her up in the room. Ain't no reason for
[1:28:19] Speaker 1: you to be out here with all these niggas.
[1:28:20] Speaker 2: For sure, for sure.
[1:28:21] Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying?
[1:28:22] Speaker 2: Smart guy.
[1:28:23] Speaker 1: Whatever you want to drink, I'm going to give you.
[1:28:25] Speaker 1: I got a pot full of smoke up there. You
[1:28:26] Speaker 1: can just go up there and chill and wait until
[1:28:28] Speaker 1: the party is over. One, I ain't want none of
[1:28:29] Speaker 1: these niggas to take the shorty I picked. You know
[1:28:34] Speaker 1: what I'm saying?
[1:28:36] Speaker 2: You gotta get.
[1:28:37] Speaker 1: That right from the beginning. The doors is open for
[1:28:40] Speaker 1: you before all of.
[1:28:41] Speaker 2: These- Get away from the star power.
[1:28:42] Speaker 3: Get away from the star power. So you gotta.
[1:28:45] Speaker 1: Catch somebody who just happy to be in the house.
[1:28:48] Speaker 1: And put her up in your room and start, go
[1:28:50] Speaker 1: check on her every couple of hours. You know what
[1:28:51] Speaker 1: I mean? This is the food they got downstairs. You
[1:28:54] Speaker 1: know what I'm saying? No, but I thought, yo, we're
[1:28:58] Speaker 1: going to go to the pool and all that, but
[1:28:59] Speaker 1: we just waiting on all these niggas to leave. Then
[1:29:01] Speaker 1: we're going to get in the pool by ourselves. You
[1:29:03] Speaker 1: know what I'm saying? They're like, okay, okay. I ain't
[1:29:05] Speaker 1: got to go home. No, you ain't got to go home.
[1:29:07] Speaker 1: But when I left, it ain't nobody there because everybody
[1:29:11] Speaker 1: want to party. So that's how you get into... The
[1:29:15] Speaker 1: young girls, the this, the that, and the other. I
[1:29:19] Speaker 1: think the young girl thing, that would have been my
[1:29:25] Speaker 1: limit right there. The only thing that I can honestly
[1:29:28] Speaker 1: say is I've never seen a nigga with a young girl.
[1:29:31] Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying?
[1:29:32] Speaker 1: And I always stand up when they say that. I
[1:29:34] Speaker 1: don't care how mad I am and all that. I'm
[1:29:36] Speaker 1: not going to put something on you. that I've never seen.
[1:29:38] Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying?
[1:29:39] Speaker 1: I've never seen you with a girl underage.
[1:29:41] Speaker 4: No, but I understand bro. You got five daughters.
[1:29:43] Speaker 2: I have one daughter. Love you, Minaya. I have one daughter.
[1:29:46] Speaker 3: I got one too. Love you, Minaya.
[1:29:50] Speaker 2: You have five.
[1:29:51] Speaker 4: So if you see Cassie putting his hands on any man,
[1:29:54] Speaker 4: you see, you my homie. You see me put my
[1:29:56] Speaker 4: hands on a woman, you going to stop me too.
[1:29:58] Speaker 2: Come on, man.
[1:29:59] Speaker 4: I knew you for years. You understand what I'm saying?
[1:30:01] Speaker 4: So it's like when I read the book, And I'm
[1:30:04] Speaker 4: definitely going to read the book.
[1:30:05] Speaker 2: I didn't read it yet.
[1:30:05] Speaker 4: But me having the book, Loyalty and Lies, the best
[1:30:08] Speaker 4: thing about it, it's not a book just to bash
[1:30:11] Speaker 4: somebody in the industry. It's lessons of your life, of
[1:30:16] Speaker 4: you going through bids and being on Rikers and going
[1:30:19] Speaker 4: to jail, in prison, going up top.
[1:30:21] Speaker 2: I met you on Rikers. I know you was praying
[1:30:24] Speaker 2: that night, too.
[1:30:24] Speaker 3: I didn't forget that. When you met you on the alley,
[1:30:26] Speaker 3: was you locked up for a body?
[1:30:28] Speaker 1: Nah.
[1:30:28] Speaker 3: All right, let's make it short. Let's make it short.
[1:30:30] Speaker 3: But we don't want to talk about nothing. He done
[1:30:32] Speaker 3: talked about seven bodies on here, nigga.
[1:30:34] Speaker 1: Him, his son, his.
[1:30:36] Speaker 5: Man that he took the charge for caught the body.
[1:30:38] Speaker 3: His son caught the body, allegedly.
[1:30:40] Speaker 1: Nigga, that's what he been talking about.
[1:30:41] Speaker 3: His man who put him on with Puff caught the body. Nigga,
[1:30:44] Speaker 3: that's what he been talking about.
[1:30:46] Speaker 2: Nigga, that's my man. You got it. You got that one.
[1:30:48] Speaker 2: But the whole thing is.
[1:30:49] Speaker 3: No, but the whole thing... No, no, no.
[1:30:52] Speaker 1: Definitely.
[1:30:52] Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[1:30:54] Speaker 4: It's on the road today. What I'm saying is, look...
[1:30:57] Speaker 4: The whole thing is like, he's not glorifying none of it.
[1:31:01] Speaker 4: He's just telling you like, his man was locked up
[1:31:04] Speaker 4: for a body and he took a charge.
[1:31:06] Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying? He took the charge because
[1:31:08] Speaker 2: his man was locked up already and his man is
[1:31:09] Speaker 2: calling him.
[1:31:10] Speaker 3: Because he really caught the.
[1:31:11] Speaker 1: Body, nigga.
[1:31:11] Speaker 4: I know he did. But look, he's not glorifying it.
[1:31:15] Speaker 4: He's just telling you a loyalty. Because if you catch
[1:31:19] Speaker 4: a body and you locked up and you calling me, yo,
[1:31:21] Speaker 4: when you going to take the charge?
[1:31:22] Speaker 2: When you going to take the charge? And my pops
[1:31:24] Speaker 2: is in my ear and he's like, You know, you
[1:31:26] Speaker 2: don't have to do this in the streets. I would
[1:31:27] Speaker 2: have been like, dad, you know, you're right. It's the streets, nigga.
[1:31:31] Speaker 1: And my pops said, I'm going to get you up
[1:31:32] Speaker 1: out of here.
[1:31:33] Speaker 3: It's the streets.
[1:31:33] Speaker 1: He didn't just say, don't do it. He said, nigga,
[1:31:35] Speaker 1: I'm going to.
[1:31:35] Speaker 3: Get you up out of here. Get you up out
[1:31:37] Speaker 3: of here.
[1:31:37] Speaker 1: Yeah. I'm going to move you.
[1:31:38] Speaker 5: We're going to get you up out of here. I'm
[1:31:39] Speaker 5: going to say, yeah, south of the family. So was
[1:31:40] Speaker 5: your pops on some of them street shit, too?
[1:31:42] Speaker 1: Nah.
[1:31:42] Speaker 3: Okay, okay, copy, copy. He just understood it.
[1:31:44] Speaker 1: Nah, he understood it. And he did than that. But
[1:31:48] Speaker 1: he was a straight 95.
[1:31:49] Speaker 3: All right, got you. Okay.
[1:31:52] Speaker 1: But he knew the street. We still lived in Harlem.
[1:31:54] Speaker 1: So he had to navigate a certain way.
[1:31:57] Speaker 3: I just don't know if it really ran in the family.
[1:31:58] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[1:31:59] Speaker 3: Your cops caught the body, you caught the body, all
[1:32:01] Speaker 3: right cop, you suck that up.
[1:32:02] Speaker 4: Rob Markman So loyalty and lies, y'all make sure y'all
[1:32:05] Speaker 4: get the book, make some noise for my man Roger Bonds.
[1:32:07] Speaker 3: Rob Markman Definitely, man.
[1:32:08] Speaker 4: Rob Markman And yo, what's some advice you would give
[1:32:10] Speaker 4: the youth street-wise and industry-wise being around one of the
[1:32:14] Speaker 4: biggest names, Puff Daddy, and you being in and out
[1:32:16] Speaker 4: of prison and you survived, you know what I mean?
[1:32:19] Speaker 1: I tell people all the time, I get that question
[1:32:21] Speaker 1: a lot, and I tell them young boys all the time,
[1:32:23] Speaker 1: first of all, you got to keep your vision. You
[1:32:25] Speaker 1: know what I'm saying? One of the guys that really
[1:32:27] Speaker 1: stand out to me is A Boogie.
[1:32:32] Speaker 3: Shout out to A Boogie. That's our guy. We had
[1:32:33] Speaker 3: him on here. Shout out to A Boogie, man.
[1:32:35] Speaker 1: He stand out to me, even though he's younger than me.
[1:32:38] Speaker 1: I know some of the people that he's with, some
[1:32:41] Speaker 1: of the people that's bringing him up.
[1:32:42] Speaker 3: And they're real loyal to.
[1:32:43] Speaker 1: Each other, man.
[1:32:43] Speaker 2: And they're real loyal to each other. Yeah, Highbridge getting
[1:32:46] Speaker 2: a lot of money.
[1:32:46] Speaker 3: They cool as Lorde. They cool as Lorde. You right
[1:32:49] Speaker 3: about that.
[1:32:50] Speaker 1: And they've been like that from day one. Yes, that's
[1:32:52] Speaker 1: a fact. So when people ask me, I go back
[1:32:55] Speaker 1: to that. And I say that's one example of money
[1:32:57] Speaker 1: not changing a relationship. You know what I'm saying? So
[1:33:00] Speaker 1: I tell these young brothers, I say, yo, just because
[1:33:03] Speaker 1: he got money don't mean that he's the smartest one.
[1:33:06] Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? People feel like, oh, because
[1:33:08] Speaker 1: he's successful, he got money, I should listen to him. Nah.
[1:33:11] Speaker 1: If that nigga running to the fucking wall, you going
[1:33:13] Speaker 1: to run into the wall just because he ran the wall,
[1:33:15] Speaker 1: he got a million dollars in the bank? No. So
[1:33:17] Speaker 1: you got to make your decisions. Yeah, I'm going to
[1:33:19] Speaker 1: follow you on some things. But then on some things,
[1:33:22] Speaker 1: I'm going to be my own person. If that don't
[1:33:25] Speaker 1: feel right, it ain't right. Point being, not only that,
[1:33:30] Speaker 1: when you look at, and I'm going to use another example,
[1:33:32] Speaker 1: when you look at Jay, when you look at Puff,
[1:33:35] Speaker 1: You can't name one person around Puff that was with
[1:33:38] Speaker 1: him when he started. Not one. If I told you, yo,
[1:33:44] Speaker 1: name me one, you can't name one. All of the
[1:33:47] Speaker 1: names that people would say, nah, they don't work for Puff.
[1:33:51] Speaker 1: They don't work for Puff. They might be his friends
[1:33:53] Speaker 1: if they do their own thing. But when you look
[1:33:55] Speaker 1: at Jay, you say, okay, I see Warren. I see Ty.
[1:33:59] Speaker 1: I see Emery. I see Jay. You know what I'm saying?
[1:34:03] Speaker 1: I see Kodak, like you see people who, and see
[1:34:07] Speaker 1: Puff thing, what really damaged Puff was when he has
[1:34:11] Speaker 1: his homies like me around and stuff like that, he
[1:34:14] Speaker 1: still gives that executive power or that executive call to
[1:34:19] Speaker 1: the people that he don't know.
[1:34:20] Speaker 2: Right.
[1:34:21] Speaker 1: Just because they went to college or just because they
[1:34:24] Speaker 1: graduated from Yale. And it's that, okay, one thing you
[1:34:27] Speaker 1: got to learn how to separate things. Okay, when it
[1:34:30] Speaker 1: comes to business, I ain't gonna let Barnes pick up
[1:34:31] Speaker 1: the phone and make no million dollar call. But when
[1:34:34] Speaker 1: it comes to my life, I'm like, y'all pick up
[1:34:37] Speaker 1: the phone and call Barnes.
[1:34:38] Speaker 3: Y'all pick up the phone. That's my guy.
[1:34:41] Speaker 1: That's my guy. So you probably can't call such and such.
[1:34:44] Speaker 1: You can't call a nigga from West, bubble fuck that nigga,
[1:34:47] Speaker 1: say yo now. And then you say something about 50,
[1:34:50] Speaker 1: hold up. I gotta listen to what Yale say because
[1:34:53] Speaker 1: he know more about the person Because I always tell people,
[1:34:59] Speaker 1: the person that you see is not that person. That's
[1:35:01] Speaker 1: the mask that they put on before they come out
[1:35:03] Speaker 1: to society. But a nigga who been with him for 10,
[1:35:06] Speaker 1: 20 years, he knows the person. You know what I'm saying?
[1:35:09] Speaker 1: So I tell these kids all the time, yo, don't
[1:35:12] Speaker 1: let that stuff get you to the point where you'll
[1:35:14] Speaker 1: do anything for that person. You know what I'm saying?
[1:35:17] Speaker 1: And I tell them, I say, yo, Family is the
[1:35:19] Speaker 1: most important. I don't give a fuck. Family is the
[1:35:21] Speaker 1: most important thing that a person got.
[1:35:24] Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying?
[1:35:25] Speaker 1: Especially when you're a dude. You know what I'm saying?
[1:35:28] Speaker 1: We've been on the visit rooms, man. Ain't nobody down there.
[1:35:30] Speaker 1: I ain't saying everybody, but ain't nobody down there but 60-year-old,
[1:35:35] Speaker 1: 70-year-old mother. I'm coming to see your son.
[1:35:37] Speaker 2: That's right.
[1:35:38] Speaker 4: And that's why we want everybody to get this book
[1:35:41] Speaker 4: from a guy that's real.
[1:35:42] Speaker 2: It's the real report. Tell them where we can find
[1:35:44] Speaker 2: the book at, man, Barnes.
[1:35:46] Speaker 3: Everywhere. Everywhere.
[1:35:47] Speaker 2: Amazon.
[1:35:48] Speaker 3: Let them everywhere.
[1:35:49] Speaker 1: You can Google Roger Barnes. It'll come up.
[1:35:52] Speaker 3: Everywhere. The book is everywhere. Shopify, everywhere.
[1:35:56] Speaker 2: Make sure y'all pick it up, man. Thanks for having
[1:35:57] Speaker 2: you on the show, Roger Barnes.
[1:35:58] Speaker 1: And this money is helping with my son, so please.
[1:36:01] Speaker 3: Go get that book. Oh, definitely, man. You know what
[1:36:02] Speaker 3: I'm saying? Definitely. Support the Booker. Let's help get Roger Barnes'
[1:36:07] Speaker 3: son home, man. He in Africa. Crazy charges. Let's get
[1:36:11] Speaker 3: him home, man. Let's go.

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