# Eric Ries: Incorruptible by Design

An episode of [Long Now](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/186908455), 30 Apr 2026, 1 h 10 min.

Audio: https://podcast.longnow.org/salt/redirect/02026-ries-podcast-v2.mp3

What if we redefined “profit” as maximizing human flourishing? Eric Ries has seen the corrosive effects of shareholder primacy at every company he’s worked with. Mission-driven companies, however, are the outliers: demonstrating stronger profits, better talent, and deeper loyalty. So why don't we build differently? In the long arc of economic history, our current definitions of profit and value are relatively new, held in place by normative consensus. But we can flip the script. By using what Ries calls “mission transmission,” we can build companies around a coherent set of values, where profit becomes the natural extension of those values, rather than the only goal. “Start with the thing you have the most agency over," he said. "You can decide the purpose of your work.” We built this system, Ries urged, so we can rebuild it better.

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