# The New Divorce Parties & A Very Unhinged Gynaecologist Story

An episode of [Unleashed](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1868862473), 21 Sep 2026, 40 min.

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Buy tickets to The Spring Fling. Cath went to the gynaecologist and came out with a story that involves stirrups, a giant screen, and a confession about waxing she did not mean to make. Sally used her own best friend as a human shield during a school egg fight. Also up for discussion is why nobody throws you a party for the last time you push a pram, and whether Gen Z has just figured out boundaries before the rest of us caught on. Plus, could Bruna win Survivor, Love Island or Australia's Next Top Model. In your ears today: Sally Hepworth, Ginni Mansberg, Bruna Papandrea and Cath Mahoney. Check out our Unleashed music playlist for some feel good throwbacks! The End Bits: Follow us on Instagram, DM us thoughts, feelings and questions @unleashed.show Love the show? Hit follow on Apple or Spotify — it helps other Gen X women find us. Executive Producer Grace Rouvray Senior Producer and Audio Editor Tina Matolov Social Media Producer Annaliese Todd Did you know some of our shows are now in video on the Apple Podcast app? Make sure your phone is up to date and check it out here! SUBSCRIPTION GIVEAWAY: The You Beauty hosts have bundled together their all-time favourite beauty products and two Mamamia subscribers are winning the lot. Subscribe to Mamamia to be automatically entered to win. Current subscriber? You're already in the draw. T&Cs apply. Get access to Very Peri, Mamamia's exclusive perimenopause series, for just $59. 25 world-leading experts, over 20 on-demand sessions, available now. We’ve sorted through the noise so you don't have to. Go to veryperi.com.au and join me today. You hot? Same. Become a Mamamia subscriber and get an all-access pass to everything we make, including exclusive podcasts and early listening, subscriber-only articles, monthly giveaways and our home workout app, MOVE. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:08] Speaker 1: You're listening to a Mamma Mia podcast.
[0:19] Speaker 2: Hello and welcome to Unleashed, a podcast for Gen X
[0:23] Speaker 2: women who need a laugh. If you remember having to
[0:26] Speaker 2: physically get up to change the TV channel because you
[0:29] Speaker 2: couldn't find the remote, you have found your people. All right,
[0:33] Speaker 2: who is on the sofa today?
[0:35] Speaker 1: I'm Sally Hepworth.
[0:36] Speaker 3: I'm Ginny Mansberg.
[0:37] Speaker 4: And I'm Veruna Papandrea.
[0:39] Speaker 2: And I'm Catherine Mahoney. So wherever you are listening, unclench
[0:43] Speaker 2: your jaw, clench your pelvic floor and get ready to unleash.
[0:47] Speaker 5: Woo!
[0:48] Speaker 6: All right, we are in 80s formal gear, are we, ladies? Yes, woo-hoo.
[0:52] Speaker 1: Whose dress is actually zipped up?
[0:54] Speaker 5: Me.
[0:55] Speaker 1: Mine.
[0:55] Speaker 6: You actually managed to zip mine up, Sally Hepworth. Mine
[0:59] Speaker 6: is not.
[0:59] Speaker 2: Mine is backless and it's not intended as a backless dress.
[1:03] Speaker 1: Mine is, I've got a big sausage bosom because it's
[1:06] Speaker 1: taffeta with no give and I'm pretty sure I'll be
[1:09] Speaker 1: flying back to Melbourne wearing this dress.
[1:11] Speaker 4: Mine is zipped up, but to be fair, it is
[1:13] Speaker 4: not 80s. It is an Alex Perry dress because the
[1:16] Speaker 4: 80s dresses didn't fit me. Apparently they weren't made for me.
[1:19] Speaker 4: So we'll be doing a deep dive for the spring fling.
[1:22] Speaker 6: They weren't made for middle-aged women, I think, looking back,
[1:26] Speaker 6: were they?
[1:26] Speaker 4: Bonsoir.
[1:28] Speaker 2: These dresses were definitely made for ladies of an 18
[1:31] Speaker 2: to 21-year-old vibe.
[1:33] Speaker 6: I think.
[1:34] Speaker 4: You know, I didn't think of that.
[1:35] Speaker 6: Yeah. If our listeners... Have not bought tickets. Yes.
[1:40] Speaker 5: What?
[1:40] Speaker 6: Why not?
[1:41] Speaker 2: We are literally down to the last few. We're talking
[1:45] Speaker 2: almost Willy Wonka numbers here. So if you are keen
[1:48] Speaker 2: and you want to come.
[1:49] Speaker 6: People are mad for it. They all love a disco,
[1:53] Speaker 6: don't they? Please, please.
[1:54] Speaker 4: Everyone I know is coming.
[1:55] Speaker 2: Round everyone up and get your tickets bought. It's on
[1:58] Speaker 2: October the 10th at the Sydney Oxford Art Factory. And
[2:02] Speaker 2: it starts at 5.30.
[2:03] Speaker 5: Perfect.
[2:04] Speaker 6: I mean, it's a dream.
[2:05] Speaker 1: Yes.
[2:05] Speaker 6: It'll be over by 9.30.
[2:06] Speaker 2: Yes. I mean, it's an absolute dream. I'm wearing flat shoes.
[2:09] Speaker 2: I'm probably not the.
[2:10] Speaker 6: Only one, Ginny. Yeah, absolutely.
[2:11] Speaker 3: I'm in my sand shoes. Sorry, Sally Hepworth, who Didn't
[2:15] Speaker 3: know what that was recently. That's your sneakers for everyone else.
[2:18] Speaker 1: Do our listeners know what sand shoes are? I just,
[2:20] Speaker 1: I'd like to get a little bit of feedback on them.
[2:23] Speaker 6: Okay. Who's kicking us off this week?
[2:25] Speaker 5: Okay.
[2:26] Speaker 1: I have something to say. I was listening to a
[2:29] Speaker 1: podcast with Amy Poehler this week where she was talking
[2:33] Speaker 1: about midlife and how it's basically just a great slab
[2:38] Speaker 1: of time. As opposed to, think about it. As you
[2:45] Speaker 1: come up through age, you turn 21, there's usually a
[2:49] Speaker 1: big party for that. Then for a lot of people,
[2:52] Speaker 1: you will perhaps get engaged and that is a celebration.
[2:55] Speaker 1: Perhaps you'll get married. Maybe you will buy a house.
[2:59] Speaker 1: There's a big moment in doing that. Certainly giving birth
[3:03] Speaker 1: is something that is acknowledged and, you know, it has
[3:06] Speaker 1: a defined kind of moment when all of these things happen.
[3:10] Speaker 1: Then you enter midlife when, in fact, there isn't celebrations
[3:15] Speaker 1: for all of the things along the way because instead
[3:18] Speaker 1: of being firsts, they are lasts.
[3:22] Speaker 2: God.
[3:24] Speaker 1: But hear me out, okay? So there are so many
[3:27] Speaker 1: things along the way. Like the last time you have
[3:29] Speaker 1: a baby, your nappy is. The last time you push
[3:33] Speaker 1: a pram. The last time you have to get into
[3:35] Speaker 1: the pool is. For swimming lessons. I mean, that should
[3:38] Speaker 1: be celebrated, I have to say. I was aware of
[3:41] Speaker 1: this when I was having coffee with a friend and
[3:44] Speaker 1: this group of mums came up with prams. And my
[3:47] Speaker 1: friend said to me, remember when that was us? And
[3:50] Speaker 1: I looked at it and I thought, oh, yeah, that
[3:53] Speaker 1: isn't us anymore. And I know that because my youngest
[3:56] Speaker 1: is nine. But there was never a moment. I was
[3:59] Speaker 1: so acutely aware of becoming a mother, you know, but
[4:02] Speaker 1: then every other– bit of parenthood and life is more
[4:06] Speaker 1: of a slide than a moment, isn't it? That suddenly
[4:08] Speaker 1: you're like, oh, now I'm not a mother of little kids.
[4:11] Speaker 1: Now I'm not a mother of eventually school-age kids. Now
[4:14] Speaker 1: I'm a you know, a grandmother. And so I think
[4:17] Speaker 1: there are probably little moments along the way that we
[4:20] Speaker 1: could select to divide up this great slab of time.
[4:24] Speaker 6: I'm just thinking about the last now.
[4:25] Speaker 2: I'm just thinking about no one told me it was
[4:27] Speaker 2: the last time Lewis, my son, would want to hold.
[4:29] Speaker 6: My hand going anywhere.
[4:32] Speaker 2: I basically won't make eye contact unless it's on his
[4:34] Speaker 2: terms or he wants money.
[4:36] Speaker 1: And imagine you knew when it was the last time.
[4:39] Speaker 6: You'd start to spend my whole time crying, wouldn't you?
[4:41] Speaker 4: Sorry if we're profoundly depressing our listeners here.
[4:44] Speaker 6: No, this is the heart.
[4:46] Speaker 1: Jesus Christ.
[4:46] Speaker 6: This is the heart part of the show.
[4:48] Speaker 4: No, but isn't this, can I just be counter to this?
[4:50] Speaker 4: I feel like, and maybe it's my algorithm giving me
[4:54] Speaker 4: what I need.
[4:55] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[4:55] Speaker 4: But I feel like I've never, in some ways, I
[4:59] Speaker 4: feel like women over 50 are like super celebrated. Right now,
[5:03] Speaker 4: and maybe it's because I've always been very good at
[5:05] Speaker 4: like marking moments.
[5:07] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[5:07] Speaker 4: Like for my 50th, I gathered 130 people in Greece.
[5:11] Speaker 6: None of us.
[5:11] Speaker 4: Okay, I didn't know you.
[5:13] Speaker 1: Kath, didn't know you.
[5:15] Speaker 4: You'll be at the next one.
[5:16] Speaker 1: That's a real Bruna comment, Kath.
[5:17] Speaker 4: You'll be at the next one. But it was maybe
[5:20] Speaker 4: the greatest week of my life, right, turning 50. And
[5:22] Speaker 4: I'm planning on doing it again. I'm thinking, I don't know, 56,
[5:25] Speaker 4: like randoms. Let's just choose randoms.
[5:27] Speaker 2: Why does it have to be 50 or 60? Why
[5:30] Speaker 2: can't it be, you know, the other years? No, it
[5:32] Speaker 2: can be.
[5:32] Speaker 6: Yeah, that's what I mean. That's what I mean. It
[5:34] Speaker 6: should be.
[5:35] Speaker 4: Oh, no, the middles, yes. Oh, yeah, I'm like, oh,
[5:37] Speaker 4: maybe I'll renew my vows. Maybe I'll just– Have a
[5:40] Speaker 4: girlfriend party, like a celebration of life while we're still living.
[5:43] Speaker 1: Divorce parties are becoming more.
[5:45] Speaker 6: Of a thing.
[5:45] Speaker 1: And I actually, I wish, I think maybe it has
[5:48] Speaker 1: to be at a moment in time further down the
[5:50] Speaker 1: track because when you are immediately divorced, you're really not
[5:53] Speaker 1: thinking about parties. Parties. But perhaps that needs to be
[5:57] Speaker 1: a moment in time that we actually mark. Because what
[5:58] Speaker 1: you're saying, Bruna, is that it's a choice. And there
[6:01] Speaker 1: are lots of things that we could celebrate, but we don't,
[6:03] Speaker 1: probably because we're too tired, because we're in that 47.3
[6:05] Speaker 1: low point of our life with all of the dependence.
[6:10] Speaker 1: But in fact, maybe we need to choose to what
[6:13] Speaker 1: was stopping me from throwing a party the last time
[6:16] Speaker 1: I got into a pool for swimming lessons.
[6:17] Speaker 4: I've got an idea. Because, you know, let's hope. that
[6:20] Speaker 4: the spring fling is everything we want it to be.
[6:23] Speaker 1: It's our party.
[6:23] Speaker 4: And then I'm feeling because Sally never had a divorce
[6:26] Speaker 4: party that maybe we.
[6:27] Speaker 6: Throw you a divorce party.
[6:28] Speaker 1: Divorce party.
[6:30] Speaker 4: That could be the next event. See, all these ideas
[6:33] Speaker 4: and all this conversation is leading to what didn't we get.
[6:36] Speaker 1: That's true.
[6:37] Speaker 6: Well, you can come to my wedding, my next wedding. Oh,
[6:40] Speaker 6: for sure. I'm planning that. Have you got an announcement?
[6:42] Speaker 4: For sure we're planning that.
[6:43] Speaker 6: No, I haven't got a boyfriend, but I'll definitely get
[6:45] Speaker 6: married again. No, no, and we're going to be there.
[6:46] Speaker 6: So that's something to look forward to.
[6:47] Speaker 1: But the divorce party can be for everyone who's ever
[6:49] Speaker 1: been divorced, so it can be your divorce party and yours.
[6:52] Speaker 1: And if you're going to have a future divorce, you know,
[6:54] Speaker 1: you can just celebrate that.
[6:56] Speaker 4: No, I'm good.
[6:57] Speaker 2: I would like to celebrate my birthday because I'm a
[7:00] Speaker 2: Christmas Day baby.
[7:01] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[7:02] Speaker 6: So I feel like I never get much.
[7:03] Speaker 4: Going on for my birthday.
[7:04] Speaker 6: Yes, you need a birthday party.
[7:05] Speaker 1: What if you did a birthday in July? You know
[7:07] Speaker 1: how they do Christmas in July?
[7:09] Speaker 4: I was going to say we could have an event
[7:11] Speaker 4: for all the people whose birthdays are on Christmas Day.
[7:14] Speaker 6: Or February 29th.
[7:14] Speaker 4: I'm not thinking that would be a great turnout.
[7:16] Speaker 1: No.
[7:17] Speaker 2: But they could come and celebrate, you know, the people
[7:19] Speaker 2: who are boys.
[7:20] Speaker 4: No, but I like where this is going, which is
[7:21] Speaker 4: like we should choose when and how we celebrate.
[7:25] Speaker 6: Yes.
[7:25] Speaker 4: So we are the movement.
[7:26] Speaker 6: Yes, we are the movement. Yes, we are. And Amy Poehler,
[7:30] Speaker 6: I was listening.
[7:31] Speaker 4: I love Amy Poehler so much. And she wasn't kind
[7:33] Speaker 4: of saying, oh, this is my life, but she was
[7:35] Speaker 4: kind of issuing as a bit of a statement.
[7:37] Speaker 1: Yes.
[7:37] Speaker 4: Like there is this kind of in between.
[7:40] Speaker 6: Yeah.
[7:40] Speaker 1: It's not a woe is me thing at all. I
[7:42] Speaker 1: think there's lots of reasons why we don't necessarily do
[7:45] Speaker 1: it because it is harder to define the moments and
[7:47] Speaker 1: it is in those busy years of your life. And
[7:49] Speaker 1: it is, but it is just interesting to look at
[7:51] Speaker 1: the things that we define and then this sort of slide.
[7:55] Speaker 1: And I don't even mean a downward slide because we
[7:57] Speaker 1: know that there are so many great things about being middle-aged,
[8:00] Speaker 1: but It is interesting to think what we celebrate and
[8:02] Speaker 1: what we don't.
[8:03] Speaker 3: Do you think this is why there has just been
[8:05] Speaker 3: such an incredible response to the spring fling? Because so
[8:08] Speaker 3: many of the unleashes are seeing this as an opportunity.
[8:11] Speaker 3: to have a party, do some dancing, go out with
[8:14] Speaker 3: their girlfriends, get dressed up, things that we don't get
[8:16] Speaker 3: many opportunities to do.
[8:18] Speaker 6: People want an excuse.
[8:19] Speaker 3: Yeah, and whatever you are celebrating, we're celebrating with you,
[8:22] Speaker 3: like all the Unleashes are celebrating together.
[8:24] Speaker 2: Yes.
[8:24] Speaker 6: And possibly that's what's going on. Yes, I think it is.
[8:27] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[8:28] Speaker 2: Okay, well, listeners, if you are not coming to our
[8:30] Speaker 2: Spring Fling, perhaps you should just take this as a sign,
[8:33] Speaker 2: you know I love woo-woo, a sign that maybe you
[8:35] Speaker 2: should throw yourself a party and get your friends over.
[8:37] Speaker 6: Yes, and invite all of us.
[8:39] Speaker 1: Yeah. Guys, you know how I have a large number
[8:54] Speaker 1: of children?
[8:55] Speaker 3: So there are six of them. You didn't birth them all. No,
[8:58] Speaker 3: I didn't birth them all. I got three for a
[8:59] Speaker 3: wedding present.
[9:00] Speaker 4: She's Carol Brady. Yes, Carol Brady.
[9:03] Speaker 6: Without Alice. But I digress.
[9:06] Speaker 3: But what I can tell you is we have three
[9:09] Speaker 3: millennials and we have three Gen Zs. And I have
[9:13] Speaker 3: really noticed with Gen Zs that they are really good
[9:17] Speaker 3: with their boundaries. They are very good at making sure
[9:21] Speaker 3: that they don't get calls at the wrong time, that
[9:24] Speaker 3: you make sure that you're very aware of what are
[9:27] Speaker 3: the no-go areas.
[9:29] Speaker 6: And as a boss, I'm.
[9:31] Speaker 3: Very aware that a lot of the Gen Z people
[9:34] Speaker 3: who work with us are also really strong on boundaries.
[9:38] Speaker 3: Like you don't send a slack at 5.30, for example.
[9:42] Speaker 3: That's quite an aggressive move. But I've been thinking about
[9:45] Speaker 3: boundaries and I've been thinking about like Gen Zs and
[9:48] Speaker 3: how protective they are of their mental health and their
[9:52] Speaker 3: physical health. And I was thinking, do they have it right?
[9:55] Speaker 3: Like I find it sometimes completely irritating.
[9:57] Speaker 6: I'm not going to lie. I'm like, what is wrong
[9:59] Speaker 6: with you? Go to work seven days a week if
[10:01] Speaker 6: you need to.
[10:02] Speaker 3: And also, I also do think that we maybe because
[10:05] Speaker 3: we were not so correct about everything, maybe a bit
[10:09] Speaker 3: better at laughing. I think maybe sometimes I feel like
[10:11] Speaker 3: going lighten up.
[10:12] Speaker 6: It's okay. Life is not that serious.
[10:14] Speaker 3: But I was wondering.
[10:15] Speaker 1: Whether you guys have ever.
[10:18] Speaker 3: Not had a boundary when you wish you had like
[10:19] Speaker 3: the 20 somethings actually got it right.
[10:22] Speaker 6: And we're the ones who have got it completely wrong.
[10:25] Speaker 1: I mean, I think that there's something about motherhood which
[10:29] Speaker 1: destroys all boundaries, even if you'd had some tenuously held ones.
[10:33] Speaker 1: All of a sudden, boundaries don't get to be made.
[10:36] Speaker 1: And I've been thinking about this because I have got
[10:41] Speaker 1: very demanding children and usually it's just me to tend
[10:45] Speaker 1: to them. if I put boundaries in place with them,
[10:49] Speaker 1: there's no one else. There's no one else around. So
[10:52] Speaker 1: you don't kind of get to put boundaries in place
[10:55] Speaker 1: in a lot of cases because you can't not take
[10:57] Speaker 1: calls after a certain point or you can't refuse to
[11:00] Speaker 1: pick them up or you can't. So I think that
[11:02] Speaker 1: that then transfers into the workplace and I think that's
[11:07] Speaker 1: how women become people who just end up doing everything.
[11:11] Speaker 1: To bring it back to the Gen Zs, often because
[11:14] Speaker 1: of their age, they can say no and no one
[11:17] Speaker 1: is in the lurch, you know, that they maybe have
[11:20] Speaker 1: got their dog or whatever, their partner, but there's no
[11:24] Speaker 1: one actually relying on them to catch the load if
[11:28] Speaker 1: they have their boundary up and say that they're not
[11:31] Speaker 1: doing it. Yeah.
[11:32] Speaker 4: I have mixed feelings because I too, Ginny, like you,
[11:36] Speaker 4: in some ways I'm envious and very respectful that they
[11:41] Speaker 4: are able to kind of put such a priority from
[11:43] Speaker 4: a young age on wellness, mental health, all of it.
[11:48] Speaker 4: I really am. That said, I do think because certainly
[11:53] Speaker 4: like looking at myself because I was that young woman,
[11:56] Speaker 4: I mean I had no boundaries, any physical or otherwise,
[12:01] Speaker 4: but I had no boundaries in terms of like I
[12:03] Speaker 4: threw myself into everything. I worked 24-7. I read like
[12:08] Speaker 4: 50 scripts a week. I went above and beyond. I
[12:11] Speaker 4: did the extracurricular stuff. I was like a sponge and
[12:14] Speaker 4: I didn't want to have any boundaries because that's how
[12:18] Speaker 4: I kind of, I suppose, imbibed so much so quickly
[12:22] Speaker 4: and why, quite frankly, I'm as successful as I am.
[12:25] Speaker 4: So I do look often and I think, okay, will
[12:29] Speaker 4: that generation find the same kind of opportunities that I
[12:33] Speaker 4: found for myself? Will they be as entrepreneurial? And I
[12:36] Speaker 4: think I recognize sometimes in young women, like, oh, you're
[12:39] Speaker 4: going to, you're just going to thrive because you are,
[12:42] Speaker 4: you ask questions, you are entrepreneurial. I've become really conscious
[12:46] Speaker 4: of like, okay, don't send a text because some people
[12:48] Speaker 4: aren't like me and don't turn off their notifications. So
[12:51] Speaker 4: send an email that, you know, they'll only look at
[12:53] Speaker 4: when they start their job. Because I do think, you know,
[12:56] Speaker 4: it's important to always cater to the person and the individual.
[12:59] Speaker 4: Whereas some people are responding to those emails in the
[13:01] Speaker 4: middle of the night. And even I get a bit like,
[13:03] Speaker 4: why are you up? Why are you responding? So I
[13:06] Speaker 4: think it's good to have some of those guardrails in place.
[13:09] Speaker 4: But I also think the generation could do with, you know,
[13:11] Speaker 4: a bit more like that self-starter mentality that we grew
[13:14] Speaker 4: up with.
[13:15] Speaker 1: Is there a difference, Bruna and Ginny, with the American
[13:18] Speaker 1: Gen Zs as opposed to the Australian Gen Zs? Like
[13:21] Speaker 1: do you find that the Americans are... less likely to
[13:26] Speaker 1: have boundaries as opposed to the Australians? Is there a
[13:29] Speaker 1: noticeable difference?
[13:30] Speaker 4: No, I think there's a lot of language around it
[13:32] Speaker 4: in America and it's a much bigger conversation.
[13:35] Speaker 1: Right.
[13:37] Speaker 4: And some of it I'm just like I do think
[13:39] Speaker 4: some of the language is being weaponised a little bit
[13:42] Speaker 4: in America.
[13:42] Speaker 6: The psychological safety.
[13:44] Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly. That's exactly what I'm, yeah.
[13:47] Speaker 3: To give them psychological safety, you can't give them any
[13:50] Speaker 3: negative feedback because that makes them feel unsafe.
[13:54] Speaker 4: They're the word. That's the verbiage that's used.
[13:57] Speaker 1: Use that in a sentence.
[13:58] Speaker 3: Yeah, so I'm going to tell you, Sally, that you
[14:02] Speaker 3: are a beautiful woman who has exceptional taste in clothes
[14:06] Speaker 3: and always looks 100%.
[14:08] Speaker 6: I don't think that.
[14:09] Speaker 3: Dress that you're in, the formal purple lace outfit, has
[14:12] Speaker 3: brought out the best in you and that's a very
[14:16] Speaker 3: unusual situation for you and you could say I don't
[14:18] Speaker 3: feel psychologically safe when I hear that.
[14:20] Speaker 4: I mean I would never say that to you.
[14:24] Speaker 1: I mean, well, that is bullshit. Like there is, there is.
[14:29] Speaker 4: You can say that as someone who doesn't run a business.
[14:31] Speaker 4: I work with no one.
[14:33] Speaker 6: But come on.
[14:34] Speaker 1: I mean, as someone who works for myself, I have
[14:37] Speaker 1: no boundaries. I'm available to myself 24 hours a day. Unfortunately,
[14:41] Speaker 1: I'm also available to my children 24 hours a day
[14:44] Speaker 1: and that's a boundary thing that I do need to
[14:47] Speaker 1: start working on.
[14:48] Speaker 3: Do they put boundaries on like? You know, I won't
[14:51] Speaker 3: unstack the dishwasher because I've already done it two days
[14:53] Speaker 3: in a row and that's like I don't feel safe to.
[14:56] Speaker 6: Take on a third dish.
[14:57] Speaker 4: Psychologically safe.
[14:58] Speaker 1: No, because I'm their mother and they would know that
[15:00] Speaker 1: that is not okay. They don't unstack the dishwasher. They
[15:02] Speaker 1: just say, yes, I'll do it and then they just
[15:04] Speaker 1: wander off after taking out one knife. Isn't that what
[15:06] Speaker 1: everyone's kids do?
[15:07] Speaker 2: When I moved to Australia, my whole career has been
[15:10] Speaker 2: as a publicist and dealing with media and different time zones.
[15:14] Speaker 2: And so if somebody put a call in, you had
[15:16] Speaker 2: to take it. You were not off the clock at all.
[15:19] Speaker 2: So I had zero boundaries. And now whenever I get
[15:23] Speaker 2: an email, a message, a text, a DM... If I
[15:26] Speaker 2: don't action it straight away, I will actually just forget.
[15:28] Speaker 2: So I don't know if that's boundaries or heri-menopause. Speaking
[15:33] Speaker 2: of boundaries, I really have none at any point of
[15:37] Speaker 2: my life, including when I am half naked. I have
[15:40] Speaker 2: to warn you that this chat involves reference to my
[15:44] Speaker 2: front and back bottom.
[15:45] Speaker 5: Oh, wow.
[15:46] Speaker 2: Oh, God.
[15:47] Speaker 3: Sounds like another day on Unleashed.
[15:50] Speaker 6: If you're easily put off, maybe have a cup of tea, Unleashes.
[15:53] Speaker 2: Okay, so here I like to paint the picture.
[15:56] Speaker 6: I'm single and it's very much winter, okay?
[15:59] Speaker 2: And before I get DM'd a lot about this because
[16:02] Speaker 2: it is.
[16:03] Speaker 6: To do with the maintenance of my lady garden. Oh, winter, okay. Okay,
[16:07] Speaker 6: because I know you will straight away get on to
[16:10] Speaker 6: me about laser.
[16:11] Speaker 4: Yes, I'm very pro laser, yes.
[16:12] Speaker 2: So I have lasered the side of the lady area,
[16:17] Speaker 2: but the middle area still grows thick and wild.
[16:20] Speaker 6: A little bit on the top.
[16:21] Speaker 2: Anyway, so have not been waxing because the thing is
[16:25] Speaker 2: In the winter, you don't want to get.
[16:27] Speaker 6: Your gear off.
[16:27] Speaker 2: It's not for, like, hot sex with somebody. It's with
[16:30] Speaker 2: a lady I probably don't know her first name and
[16:32] Speaker 2: hot wax. So I have been putting off the maintenance.
[16:36] Speaker 2: I would say this winter it has probably got the
[16:38] Speaker 2: worst it's ever been.
[16:40] Speaker 1: Has it been particularly cold?
[16:42] Speaker 2: I mean, like, I've been kind of stroking in bed, like,
[16:46] Speaker 2: the outsides that are on the.
[16:48] Speaker 6: Top of my legs. You know when you're trying to
[16:49] Speaker 6: get to sleep and you just... It's like... That's whiskers
[16:54] Speaker 6: out of my sort of undies.
[16:55] Speaker 1: That's like a comfort thing that you do.
[16:56] Speaker 6: It's a comfort thing because it's just me. That's for sharing.
[17:00] Speaker 6: But also the back bottom hair is outrageous. I do
[17:05] Speaker 6: not stroke the back bottom hair, but it is thick
[17:08] Speaker 6: and fast.
[17:09] Speaker 5: It is.
[17:10] Speaker 6: It's like a secret garden that has overgrown. It's like
[17:13] Speaker 6: a fairy tale that is now a nightmare.
[17:16] Speaker 2: Okay, so with that visual now in mind, I had
[17:20] Speaker 2: to go and see the gynecologist.
[17:22] Speaker 6: I had some dodgy cells appear and, you know, I
[17:24] Speaker 6: had to go and see. My doctor was like, you
[17:25] Speaker 6: need to go and see a gynecologist.
[17:27] Speaker 2: My lovely gynecologist was fully booked till, you know, next year.
[17:31] Speaker 2: So I was like, when the receptionist said, would you
[17:33] Speaker 2: like to see his offside? I was like, sure, no problem. Oh!
[17:36] Speaker 2: So I'm sat in their reception thinking that I really
[17:38] Speaker 2: probably should have done some back burning and front burning and.
[17:42] Speaker 6: How this poor guy will even find the hole to
[17:46] Speaker 6: put the spatula up. I don't know.
[17:50] Speaker 2: The door opens and all I can describe to the
[17:53] Speaker 2: listener is.
[17:55] Speaker 6: He looked like the romantic lead in a medical drama.
[17:59] Speaker 6: So hot. All I wanted to do was beep, beep, beep, beep.
[18:04] Speaker 6: Reverse out of his office.
[18:06] Speaker 1: And zero maintenance on the lady garden front and back.
[18:09] Speaker 2: I mean, it just looked, it literally looked like, it
[18:12] Speaker 2: was like deepest, darkest Peru. Paddington probably could have been
[18:15] Speaker 2: living there. We wouldn't have even seen him.
[18:18] Speaker 6: Question test.
[18:19] Speaker 4: Sorry, I'm raising my hand. So the person you normally see,
[18:24] Speaker 4: could you just give us a visual on that one?
[18:26] Speaker 6: Oh, look, he's probably nearly 60. Okay, yeah. You know,
[18:30] Speaker 6: really lovely man. Anyway, so I'm talking to McSteamy. I'm
[18:34] Speaker 6: just thinking. How old? How old is he? Oh, look,
[18:37] Speaker 6: he could be like.
[18:40] Speaker 2: Late 30s maybe 40 which is worse which is no
[18:45] Speaker 2: which is worse my grandson 81 I've swiped on young
[18:50] Speaker 2: girl have you.
[18:51] Speaker 1: No gosh anyway so I'm sat there.
[18:55] Speaker 2: Trying to talk about anything before we have to go
[18:58] Speaker 2: into the room just trying to distract him with anything
[19:02] Speaker 2: he's gonna look and then we get into the room
[19:04] Speaker 2: and I forget because normally when I see my doctor
[19:06] Speaker 2: you lie on the table she puts the like the
[19:08] Speaker 2: towel over and you just lift your legs a little
[19:10] Speaker 2: bit this was legs in stirrups push your bum as
[19:14] Speaker 2: close to the edge of the table as you can
[19:16] Speaker 2: so now it's like literally front to back bum in
[19:20] Speaker 2: his face.
[19:21] Speaker 1: Oh god have you got the the dignity towels I.
[19:24] Speaker 2: Have got the dignity towel, but he can't use the
[19:26] Speaker 2: dignity towel over my back bum. I was as much
[19:29] Speaker 2: worried about my back bum hair as I was my front.
[19:32] Speaker 4: I've never heard the word back bum so many times.
[19:33] Speaker 6: He's got this massive screen and he's like, if you
[19:36] Speaker 6: want to watch.
[19:37] Speaker 1: Screen?
[19:37] Speaker 6: It's like, if I want to watch. What screen?
[19:40] Speaker 1: He's videoing it.
[19:40] Speaker 4: He's got a screen.
[19:41] Speaker 6: He's going in with a video. Of your arsehole. He's like, yes,
[19:43] Speaker 6: he's like. Some people like to watch. I'm like, I
[19:47] Speaker 6: don't want to see this. Anyway, so we go through this.
[19:50] Speaker 2: I make a few comments about, you know, kind of
[19:53] Speaker 2: the area and, you know, then I sort of try
[19:55] Speaker 2: and distract him.
[19:55] Speaker 1: The area of your body? Yes. Yes.
[19:57] Speaker 6: Like, oh, I'm normally a bit, you know, neater. You
[20:01] Speaker 6: did not. I did.
[20:02] Speaker 2: And then we talked about, because I'm just trying to
[20:05] Speaker 2: talk about anything else while I'm looking out the corner
[20:07] Speaker 2: while he's at my front and back bum.
[20:09] Speaker 6: And I, you know, I just said, oh.
[20:10] Speaker 1: He's got the speculum going in.
[20:11] Speaker 6: He's got the speculum. He's down there.
[20:13] Speaker 1: Oh.
[20:15] Speaker 6: You know, that thing. He's like, I'm trying to make a.
[20:17] Speaker 1: Hole in your lady garden to get through. He just
[20:20] Speaker 1: had to.
[20:20] Speaker 6: Drill through the pubes to find the hole.
[20:23] Speaker 4: There's no way he's giving it a second.
[20:25] Speaker 6: He is not.
[20:26] Speaker 4: Ginny, you're a doctor.
[20:27] Speaker 6: No, no, no. He's not thinking about it. You're not
[20:29] Speaker 6: his first rodeo, I promise you.
[20:31] Speaker 2: No, I'm not. But anyway, so I'm trying to talk
[20:33] Speaker 2: about other things and I'm like, God, I had to
[20:34] Speaker 2: get my boobs, you know, looked at the other week,
[20:36] Speaker 2: had my mammogram, you know, and he's like, oh, he said,
[20:38] Speaker 2: you know, guys, we sort of get off easy, don't we?
[20:40] Speaker 2: And I said, oh, well, you get the finger at
[20:42] Speaker 2: the bum. And I said, you get the saggy balls,
[20:44] Speaker 2: don't you?
[20:45] Speaker 6: You did not say that.
[20:46] Speaker 5: I did.
[20:46] Speaker 6: She's getting better and better.
[20:48] Speaker 2: I did.
[20:48] Speaker 6: And he's having a bit of a lull. What are
[20:50] Speaker 6: the saggy balls? Because as you age, they drop.
[20:53] Speaker 2: Oh, sorry.
[20:54] Speaker 1: I thought you meant as a medical experiment.
[20:56] Speaker 2: Anyway, he seemed to think from what he could see
[20:59] Speaker 2: on the massive, like, you know, sort of cinema screen.
[21:02] Speaker 6: That everything was fine.
[21:04] Speaker 1: In 3D.
[21:06] Speaker 6: It was like the Odyssey. It was like the Odyssey
[21:08] Speaker 6: in 3D. Oh, my God. Anyway, he said, you know,
[21:10] Speaker 6: I'll call you in a week unless, you know, anything.
[21:12] Speaker 6: For dinner? No, he called me.
[21:15] Speaker 2: But when he called me to tell me the good
[21:17] Speaker 2: news that I was, like, cell free or whatever, I said.
[21:20] Speaker 6: Oh, I've had a wax. since we last met. No,
[21:22] Speaker 6: you didn't.
[21:23] Speaker 5: I did.
[21:24] Speaker 4: Maloney, you did not say that. Of course she did, Bruno.
[21:27] Speaker 6: Have you met Kat?
[21:28] Speaker 2: I was like, this is now content. So I just said,
[21:30] Speaker 2: I've had a wax since we last met. And he
[21:33] Speaker 2: laughed and I said, you should have had danger money
[21:36] Speaker 2: for that.
[21:40] Speaker 1: Cass, I cannot believe you ever said anything again.
[21:44] Speaker 6: He had a lull. I don't think many people say
[21:46] Speaker 6: that to him.
[21:47] Speaker 2: No, I would.
[21:47] Speaker 4: Imagine that you were definitely the first.
[21:49] Speaker 6: The first and last.
[21:52] Speaker 1: I've had an overshare experience, not from me, but from
[21:55] Speaker 1: the doctor. While I was getting a pap smear, it
[21:59] Speaker 1: was also a different doctor. It wasn't my usual doctor.
[22:03] Speaker 1: And he found out that I was an author right
[22:05] Speaker 1: before I got onto the table and started pitching his
[22:08] Speaker 1: book idea with the speculum inside me.
[22:12] Speaker 4: No.
[22:12] Speaker 1: He did. And towards the end of it where I
[22:15] Speaker 1: was thinking, you know, it's at the part where I'm coughing,
[22:18] Speaker 1: you know, to try and get it out.
[22:20] Speaker 6: Bring it out.
[22:20] Speaker 1: And then he said, how much money do authors make
[22:23] Speaker 1: these days?
[22:23] Speaker 6: Wiley, is that your VJ?
[22:25] Speaker 1: I get that quite a bit but not while I
[22:27] Speaker 1: have a speculum inside me.
[22:29] Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that happens more than you would think.
[22:31] Speaker 4: I have some friends who, you know, are well known
[22:35] Speaker 4: and they've told me stories of like the basic being
[22:37] Speaker 4: about to go under and, you know, the doctor saying, oh,
[22:40] Speaker 4: I loved you in that or I'm a big fan.
[22:43] Speaker 4: I had a similar experience actually in Florida when I
[22:45] Speaker 4: was having an emergency appendectomy and the guy was basically
[22:49] Speaker 4: pitching himself as like a medical consultant on my TV
[22:51] Speaker 4: show as I was about to go under.
[22:53] Speaker 6: Yeah. Wow.
[22:54] Speaker 3: Can I just apologise on behalf of all doctors all
[22:57] Speaker 3: over the world?
[22:58] Speaker 6: This is not meant to happen.
[23:00] Speaker 1: Oh, my God.
[23:01] Speaker 3: Sometimes I do need to be very careful not to,
[23:05] Speaker 3: you know, go– Did that hurt? You know, if I
[23:07] Speaker 3: see a really good vajazzling, like lots of stars that
[23:10] Speaker 3: have been inserted into the labia.
[23:11] Speaker 6: Vajazzling?
[23:12] Speaker 5: Yeah.
[23:13] Speaker 1: What's vajazzling?
[23:14] Speaker 3: You know when people get, you know the body piercing,
[23:17] Speaker 3: but they get it on their labia so they might
[23:19] Speaker 3: have some. Diamonds and jewels and things.
[23:21] Speaker 1: I have heard of that. I thought the jazzling referred
[23:24] Speaker 1: to a pattern on their pubes, like the way that
[23:27] Speaker 1: it was waxed. So it's actually the jazzling.
[23:30] Speaker 6: Body piercing with one ray. It goes in. It can't
[23:32] Speaker 6: come out.
[23:33] Speaker 2: Ginny, am I the first person to apologise for the
[23:35] Speaker 2: state of my bits to a medical professional?
[23:37] Speaker 3: Do you know, like, I think 99% of women who
[23:41] Speaker 3: get on the table for a vaginal examination start with
[23:44] Speaker 3: an apology.
[23:45] Speaker 5: Oh, really? Wait.
[23:46] Speaker 4: Okay.
[23:47] Speaker 3: Number one, I do this for a living. Number two,
[23:49] Speaker 3: there's nothing offensive down there whatsoever. Like it's like looking
[23:53] Speaker 3: in a throat. Like everybody's is a little bit different.
[23:55] Speaker 3: I'm not going to recognise it. I'm not going to
[23:57] Speaker 3: think of you and think of your vagina. I will
[23:59] Speaker 3: never know. I won't remember.
[24:01] Speaker 6: I'm so upset about that. I'm so sorry. He wouldn't
[24:03] Speaker 6: have remembered.
[24:04] Speaker 3: When you are showing a doctor a vagina, don't worry
[24:06] Speaker 3: about it. Whatever state it comes in, I promise you
[24:08] Speaker 3: it's totally fine. So I can tell you if you're
[24:10] Speaker 3: having a pap smear, number one, you do it yourself now.
[24:13] Speaker 3: Only 40% of women are doing that. I don't know why.
[24:15] Speaker 6: Do it yourself.
[24:16] Speaker 3: But number two, even if you are having a traditional
[24:19] Speaker 3: old school pap smear, when you lie on your back,
[24:22] Speaker 3: I can't see the contents of your buttocks.
[24:25] Speaker 4: I can't.
[24:25] Speaker 6: I can't see it.
[24:26] Speaker 2: But McSteamy Dreamy did because I was on the edge
[24:29] Speaker 2: of the table with his stirrups.
[24:31] Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a different story. Maybe that's your first mistake.
[24:33] Speaker 2: Well, Ginny, I think we've gone into a little bit
[24:35] Speaker 2: of the well podcast that you and I host together,
[24:38] Speaker 2: so we might just take it over to that pod
[24:40] Speaker 2: and continue this.
[24:41] Speaker 4: Did you guys think about asking me to be on
[24:43] Speaker 4: well just as a doctor?
[24:44] Speaker 1: No.
[24:46] Speaker 4: Or not?
[24:47] Speaker 3: Yeah, and I've got to go on holidays. It's good
[24:48] Speaker 3: to know there's another Unleashed doctor to actually take over.
[24:51] Speaker 4: Jealous anyone?
[24:52] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[24:54] Speaker 4: Guys, do you ever think about, and it happened obviously
[24:57] Speaker 4: to me during COVID, like what you would do if
[25:00] Speaker 4: the shit hits the fan, right? What kind of person
[25:03] Speaker 4: are you? I think that all the time when I'm
[25:05] Speaker 4: making a TV show, like, you know, oh, if like
[25:07] Speaker 4: a mother had to take her daughter, like run, what
[25:10] Speaker 4: would I do? What would you do in that situation? Well,
[25:13] Speaker 4: what I've realized about myself, and maybe it's because of
[25:15] Speaker 4: the way I was brought up, I am fully a survivor.
[25:18] Speaker 4: I'm the person you want to be with. Like during COVID,
[25:22] Speaker 4: I like, I don't want to make a positive of it,
[25:24] Speaker 4: but I did thrive, right? I kind of moved TV shows.
[25:28] Speaker 4: I moved to a different country. I kept the company going.
[25:31] Speaker 4: I was really good at like making sure I had
[25:33] Speaker 4: all the supplies, getting the kids organized. Like I think
[25:37] Speaker 4: I thrive in those times where like I need to
[25:42] Speaker 4: like kind of keep my shit together and be the
[25:44] Speaker 4: person that's got everyone organised.
[25:46] Speaker 1: The adrenaline of that or something fuels you.
[25:48] Speaker 4: Yeah, I think just some people are built for that.
[25:50] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[25:51] Speaker 4: So that made me think, okay, could I go on
[25:53] Speaker 4: a show like Survivor? Or Alone?
[25:56] Speaker 1: Have you watched Alone?
[25:57] Speaker 4: Oh, no, no, no. No, I don't do that. No,
[25:59] Speaker 4: I wouldn't do that. So I know even with Survivor,
[26:02] Speaker 4: the show, I'd be pretty good. I think I'd be
[26:04] Speaker 4: pretty good at like the social game. I think I'd
[26:07] Speaker 4: make friends. I think I'd be, like, good at, like,
[26:11] Speaker 4: helping cook the meals. But in terms of the nature part,
[26:15] Speaker 4: I couldn't do it. You could pay me, and I'm
[26:17] Speaker 4: not exaggerating, you could say here's a billion dollars to
[26:22] Speaker 4: go on, like, I'm a celebrity, get me out of here,
[26:24] Speaker 4: put your hand in the thing where you don't know
[26:25] Speaker 4: if there's pythons in it. I would not do it.
[26:27] Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, then that's the main bitch, though. So what
[26:31] Speaker 1: bits would you be good at? Would you be good
[26:33] Speaker 1: at jumping off the- No, I wouldn't.
[26:33] Speaker 6: No, she's saying she definitely wouldn't do that one.
[26:35] Speaker 4: No, I'm saying the only reality show I could go
[26:37] Speaker 4: on is like MasterChef.
[26:38] Speaker 1: Yeah, okay.
[26:39] Speaker 4: I see what you mean. Or like probably, I mean,
[26:41] Speaker 4: Love Island maybe.
[26:42] Speaker 2: What?
[26:44] Speaker 4: Like young Bruna could have gone on Love Island. That's rude, Sally,
[26:47] Speaker 4: laughing at me. I would have been good on Love Island.
[26:49] Speaker 6: You would have been great.
[26:50] Speaker 4: Maybe not on the spray tan. Sorry, I apologise. They're
[26:53] Speaker 4: spray tan artists.
[26:53] Speaker 1: I see what you're saying. So you're saying that you
[26:55] Speaker 1: thrived in a business sense and in pulling people together,
[26:59] Speaker 1: but if you were actually out in the world having
[27:01] Speaker 1: to survive in an old school way, that would not work.
[27:03] Speaker 6: Bruna going business class is slumming it.
[27:05] Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah.
[27:05] Speaker 4: But it made me think about reality shows. Like do
[27:08] Speaker 4: you guys think about what reality show you'd be really
[27:11] Speaker 4: good on?
[27:11] Speaker 1: Yeah, I'd be shocking on all of them. All of them? Although, look,
[27:15] Speaker 1: I don't have a lot of life skills. I think
[27:17] Speaker 1: a lot about the fact that if things didn't work
[27:21] Speaker 1: out with writing books, that I'd be fucked because I
[27:26] Speaker 1: don't have a lot else. But there is actually a
[27:30] Speaker 1: little teeny bit of evidence to say that maybe I
[27:32] Speaker 1: would do okay. And this was when I was in
[27:36] Speaker 1: year 12. And you know, when you're finishing off school,
[27:39] Speaker 1: I don't know if this is still the case, but
[27:41] Speaker 1: people throw eggs at Did they still do that when
[27:43] Speaker 1: you're in your final year of school and people egg
[27:45] Speaker 1: each other and whatnot? And I remember right before exams started,
[27:50] Speaker 1: I was catching the train home with two girlfriends and
[27:53] Speaker 1: also a group of boys who went to a different school.
[27:55] Speaker 1: And we had a lovely conversation all the way home.
[27:58] Speaker 1: We got off the train. The boys suddenly pull a
[28:01] Speaker 1: carton of eggs out of their bag.
[28:03] Speaker 3: A carton?
[28:04] Speaker 6: A carton. Is that a Melbourne thing? Carton.
[28:08] Speaker 1: Carton.
[28:09] Speaker 6: Carton of eggs. Carton.
[28:11] Speaker 1: And they started throwing them. And I've always fancied myself
[28:15] Speaker 1: to be a hero, you know, and trying to save
[28:19] Speaker 1: other people. And one of these friends was my dear friend, Jane,
[28:22] Speaker 1: who's very tiny, very pretty, very small, very innocent. And
[28:26] Speaker 1: I found myself without even thinking, grabbing her body and
[28:31] Speaker 1: using it as a shield. Oh, shit. And I moved
[28:34] Speaker 1: her from side to side.
[28:36] Speaker 6: That's not what I thought.
[28:38] Speaker 1: No, this was game. And she collected, I reckon, all
[28:42] Speaker 1: 12 eggs. And then when they ran out of eggs,
[28:46] Speaker 1: I pushed her onto the ground and I turned and
[28:48] Speaker 1: I ran. And by the time I got to My
[28:50] Speaker 1: other friend's house, my other friend had just run for it.
[28:52] Speaker 1: So we really showed our personalities in that few minutes
[28:55] Speaker 1: and she had already got into her house and come
[28:58] Speaker 1: out with yoghurt squeezy pouching and started squeezing the pouches.
[29:02] Speaker 1: And when we all had the chance to sit down
[29:05] Speaker 1: and kind of go over what had happened there, my
[29:09] Speaker 1: sweet friend Jane said, Sally, I'll never forget that. And
[29:13] Speaker 1: we talk about it still to this day.
[29:15] Speaker 6: But it's a human shield.
[29:17] Speaker 1: A human shield. Yeah. And I walked away unscathed. So
[29:21] Speaker 1: just to bring this back to Survivor, perhaps, you know,
[29:26] Speaker 1: it would be my instinct to survive, which would help
[29:31] Speaker 1: me to sort of leech off other people and eat
[29:33] Speaker 1: their fish and sleep under their shelter that they'd created.
[29:36] Speaker 1: It's just a killer instinct that I didn't know I had.
[29:40] Speaker 6: Sorry, Jane.
[29:41] Speaker 5: I love you.
[29:41] Speaker 1: What about you, Kath?
[29:43] Speaker 2: Oh, I'd be terrible on all of those shows.
[29:46] Speaker 6: No, No, I would be.
[29:47] Speaker 2: I almost went on a show on– reality TV in
[29:50] Speaker 2: the UK in the 90s it was called Dishes where
[29:53] Speaker 2: it was like a dating show where three guys would
[29:55] Speaker 2: cook for me and I would pick the guy based
[29:57] Speaker 2: on the dish but I had a boyfriend and so
[30:00] Speaker 2: at the last minute I was like I can't actually
[30:02] Speaker 2: go on a dating show because I am dating someone
[30:05] Speaker 2: I moved to Australia with him so I had to
[30:07] Speaker 2: stop but I do think I could go on a
[30:08] Speaker 2: reality show that involved eating and talking Because they're the
[30:13] Speaker 2: good things I'm good at.
[30:14] Speaker 1: So if we were on Survivor, we probably wouldn't look
[30:17] Speaker 1: towards Kath and her crystals to see how we were.
[30:19] Speaker 4: Going to survive a new day. We wouldn't be funny
[30:21] Speaker 4: together on Survivor.
[30:22] Speaker 1: Imagine all of us. Actually, Ginny, I'd pick Ginny on
[30:25] Speaker 1: my team because she can save lives.
[30:27] Speaker 4: No shit, yeah. I can stitch you up.
[30:29] Speaker 6: Yeah.
[30:30] Speaker 3: Who would you pick, Ginny? You can pick one out
[30:32] Speaker 3: of the three. Well, the professor, definitely. The professor of
[30:35] Speaker 3: medicine sitting next to me, Bruna Papandrea.
[30:36] Speaker 6: In case you get hurt. Correct.
[30:39] Speaker 2: Also, she's a lawyer, which is helpful as well.
[30:41] Speaker 1: But she doesn't have a phone.
[30:42] Speaker 4: Mary Kousta is our co-host on Dancing With The Stars.
[30:45] Speaker 6: She was going to say.
[30:46] Speaker 4: You know, I convinced her to do it because she
[30:47] Speaker 4: was like, no, no, no, they keep asking me, they
[30:49] Speaker 4: keep asking me. And I was like, you've got to
[30:51] Speaker 4: do it. And she did love it no matter what
[30:52] Speaker 4: she says. She loved it. Would you guys do Dancing
[30:55] Speaker 4: with the Stars?
[30:55] Speaker 6: I haven't got any rhythm.
[30:56] Speaker 4: Me either.
[30:58] Speaker 6: You do. I've seen you dance.
[30:59] Speaker 4: No, I don't.
[31:00] Speaker 5: I can't.
[31:00] Speaker 6: You do.
[31:00] Speaker 4: We're about to find out.
[31:02] Speaker 3: We are going to the Spring Fling and effectively this
[31:05] Speaker 3: is all of our Dancing with the Stars or Dancing
[31:07] Speaker 3: with the Unleashes kind of moment. There might be a
[31:09] Speaker 3: scout there. I reckon there is a talent scout coming.
[31:12] Speaker 3: For the best 80s dance, I reckon that is your
[31:15] Speaker 3: time to shine.
[31:15] Speaker 2: Well, you're going to need to teach me the nutbush.
[31:17] Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't know if they do that on Dancing
[31:20] Speaker 1: With The Stars.
[31:21] Speaker 6: Well, we're going to do it. This is Unleashed Boots.
[31:23] Speaker 6: Spring fling.
[31:24] Speaker 4: I would do also the modelling show.
[31:27] Speaker 1: Australia's Next Top Model. Why are you laughing?
[31:29] Speaker 6: That's rude. Excuse me.
[31:31] Speaker 4: I think I would thrive on That's Rude, Australia's Next
[31:34] Speaker 4: Top Model.
[31:35] Speaker 1: You already have got the model smile, which is the non-smile. Yeah.
[31:38] Speaker 4: Thanks, guys. I'm going to do it, whether you like
[31:40] Speaker 4: it or not. I'm going to be Australia's Next Top Model.
[31:43] Speaker 6: And MasterChef and everything else.
[31:45] Speaker 1: I'd love to see a reality show of Unleashed dropped
[31:48] Speaker 1: in the bush.
[31:49] Speaker 6: We can just see.
[31:50] Speaker 1: Oh, we're so screwed. There is not a live skill
[31:52] Speaker 1: among us.
[31:52] Speaker 6: No, there isn't.
[31:53] Speaker 3: And honestly, I can't even cope if I see a
[31:55] Speaker 3: cockroach in a kitchen in Sydney. I would die if
[31:58] Speaker 3: I saw like a scorpion or something.
[32:01] Speaker 4: I was at the Logies a few weeks ago. Like,
[32:03] Speaker 4: I don't know. It feels like yesterday. I'm kidding. It
[32:05] Speaker 4: was eight hours long. But I don't know if you
[32:08] Speaker 4: guys watched it, but do you remember the moment where
[32:10] Speaker 4: Robert Irwin brought out the big creatures, including a massive snake?
[32:14] Speaker 4: And I am so phobic. So I was right at
[32:16] Speaker 4: the front and I had my bag ready and I
[32:18] Speaker 4: had identified the exits and the second they were going
[32:21] Speaker 4: to start walking towards me, I was going to frickin' run.
[32:24] Speaker 4: There was no way they were getting near me. These
[32:26] Speaker 4: people just were surprised.
[32:27] Speaker 6: He came up to the table. Can you imagine?
[32:29] Speaker 5: That's horrendous.
[32:30] Speaker 6: What in someone's hands? Horrendous. I would die.
[32:32] Speaker 1: I would absolutely die.
[32:33] Speaker 5: Well.
[32:34] Speaker 6: We've got the spring fling.
[32:35] Speaker 2: I feel like we have another Unleashed business opportunity brewing here,
[32:39] Speaker 2: Unleashed Survivor.
[32:41] Speaker 1: They'd have to drop us in the middle of a
[32:43] Speaker 1: luxury retreat.
[32:46] Speaker 6: But Bruna would leave.
[32:48] Speaker 1: And we'd all fly there first class.
[32:50] Speaker 3: I know, and Grace would still clean it before she
[32:53] Speaker 3: unpacked a bird.
[32:53] Speaker 4: We should do that version. I'm into that version. People
[32:56] Speaker 4: want to see that.
[32:57] Speaker 1: Any Hollywood execs who want a new reality show, we're
[33:00] Speaker 1: up for it.
[33:13] Speaker 2: Okay, it is time for our favourite segment, ladies. It's
[33:17] Speaker 2: called Other People's Problems.
[33:18] Speaker 1: Yes.
[33:19] Speaker 2: This is the part of the show where you send
[33:21] Speaker 2: us in your dilemmas and we try and solve them
[33:24] Speaker 2: for you. We are absolutely unqualified, but we are very,
[33:28] Speaker 2: very enthusiastic. Okay, this week's Other People's Problems, ladies, is
[33:33] Speaker 2: from Anonymous.
[33:33] Speaker 6: So we will hear from her right now.
[33:35] Speaker 5: I have a family member who loves giving unsolicited advice
[33:40] Speaker 5: and I don't want to cut them off. but I
[33:42] Speaker 5: feel like I need to interact with them less often.
[33:45] Speaker 5: It's almost like every conversation has unsolicited advice in it.
[33:49] Speaker 5: And most of the time the advice is good, but
[33:52] Speaker 5: it's irritating when it's something I'm already doing. The feeling
[33:55] Speaker 5: I get from this unsolicited advice is that why would
[33:59] Speaker 5: they continue to do this when I'm a perfectly capable
[34:02] Speaker 5: and successful individual? Other family members don't fight it. Just
[34:06] Speaker 5: tell them their ideas are good and then move on.
[34:09] Speaker 1: I get it.
[34:10] Speaker 5: But that doesn't stop the fact that the unsolicited aspect
[34:13] Speaker 5: of this is extremely irritating.
[34:18] Speaker 1: I feel like this might be a friend of mine.
[34:22] Speaker 1: Or a family member.
[34:23] Speaker 4: Oh, you're saying you're the one giving the unsolicited advice.
[34:26] Speaker 1: I love a bit of unsolicited advice. Yes. And the
[34:29] Speaker 1: audacity of me, because, you know, when your life's a
[34:31] Speaker 1: complete shambles, Who do you think you are? But there's
[34:34] Speaker 1: something so appealing of being able to see the faults in.
[34:36] Speaker 6: Other people's lives.
[34:37] Speaker 4: You are a bit of an agony aunt.
[34:38] Speaker 1: Yes, I love it. I love to just give them
[34:41] Speaker 1: a little bit of feedback on how they can live better.
[34:43] Speaker 1: And I actually sometimes will hear myself, it's usually not
[34:48] Speaker 1: completely unsolicited, they'll be telling me about a problem. And
[34:51] Speaker 1: I'll be halfway through listening and I'm already thinking of
[34:55] Speaker 1: what they should do. And I'm like, stop it, Sally, stop.
[34:57] Speaker 6: It, listen.
[34:58] Speaker 1: But I can't help it. It's like, it just comes
[35:00] Speaker 1: out of me. So You know, mum, dad, sisters-in-law, I'm
[35:04] Speaker 1: really sorry and I'll try.
[35:05] Speaker 4: Apologize. I relate so much to this listener's problem because
[35:10] Speaker 4: it is my pet peeve. And I was actually talking
[35:14] Speaker 4: to our friends, Jessie and Claire Stevens, about this the
[35:16] Speaker 4: other day. My husband, if I'm talking to him or
[35:19] Speaker 4: telling him anything, just getting it off my chest, he
[35:23] Speaker 4: feels compelled.
[35:24] Speaker 6: Yes. Compelled. Compelled.
[35:26] Speaker 4: To offer advice and I have no interest ever in
[35:30] Speaker 4: any of that advice, none, ever. And I try and
[35:34] Speaker 4: explain to him, as I have many times, no, sometimes
[35:37] Speaker 4: I'm just looking to bitch, to get it off my chest,
[35:40] Speaker 4: to get the words out, like put that hat on.
[35:44] Speaker 4: And even when I say it, just the advice keeps coming.
[35:47] Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
[35:48] Speaker 4: But what I really think, I don't know which part
[35:51] Speaker 4: of I don't want to hear what you think. You
[35:54] Speaker 4: don't understand right now.
[35:56] Speaker 1: Because it's a compulsion. Like that's exactly it. Like you
[35:58] Speaker 1: can be in the middle of saying to yourself, do
[36:02] Speaker 1: not give unsolicited advice and it comes to the end
[36:05] Speaker 1: and it's because.
[36:06] Speaker 4: It's clear if you want advice, you're saying, what do
[36:10] Speaker 4: you think? That's the key message that people should wait for.
[36:13] Speaker 4: So I identify and depending on the relationship, I think
[36:16] Speaker 4: you have to say, you know what, I just needed
[36:20] Speaker 4: to get it off my chest. I wasn't looking for answers.
[36:22] Speaker 4: Like find the nicest way possible because it is hard
[36:25] Speaker 4: not to offend. I get it. I've done it. I
[36:27] Speaker 4: don't care about offending so I just straight out offend
[36:30] Speaker 4: because I can't take it. I don't want it.
[36:32] Speaker 1: But is there, like what do we say then? Like
[36:34] Speaker 1: they've just unloaded this problem and now there's silence. Now
[36:38] Speaker 1: what am I supposed to say?
[36:40] Speaker 3: Well, so my tip for Steve or this person or Sally,
[36:44] Speaker 3: for anyone who's dealing with this issue, Fabulous. Brilliant advice
[36:49] Speaker 3: is I would say this is gold. I'm going to
[36:52] Speaker 3: stop you right there. I'm not even taking it in
[36:54] Speaker 3: right now. I need this in writing.
[36:56] Speaker 4: It is too good.
[36:57] Speaker 2: It's too good.
[36:59] Speaker 6: Stop people in their tracks. I love it. Yeah, it's
[37:01] Speaker 6: too good.
[37:02] Speaker 3: I want you to actually, I need time to kind
[37:05] Speaker 3: of read it and really take it all in because
[37:07] Speaker 3: this is, This is gold.
[37:09] Speaker 6: Thank you so much.
[37:10] Speaker 3: I'm not taking it in because I'm not in my
[37:11] Speaker 3: best frame of mind but I don't want to miss this.
[37:13] Speaker 4: That's too nice. I did like yours.
[37:15] Speaker 6: No, because it's passive aggressive. Come on.
[37:17] Speaker 1: It's perfect because it gives them a job and they
[37:19] Speaker 1: don't want a job.
[37:20] Speaker 4: No, I liked how you started though. I liked like, oh,
[37:22] Speaker 4: it's so good I'm not taking it in. Those words
[37:25] Speaker 4: I relate to. It's just the writing it down part
[37:27] Speaker 4: that I would struggle with.
[37:29] Speaker 2: Kath? Oh, I never get unsolicited advice because I'm always
[37:33] Speaker 2: asking people their opinions.
[37:35] Speaker 6: I think like.
[37:36] Speaker 2: Living alone with a teenage son who doesn't sort of
[37:39] Speaker 2: give you much, I'm always saying to other people, what
[37:41] Speaker 2: about this?
[37:41] Speaker 6: What should I do? What about that? So I don't
[37:43] Speaker 6: get unsolicited. I ask, I request it.
[37:46] Speaker 1: The other thing that the listener could do as well
[37:49] Speaker 1: is to start off by saying, I love telling you
[37:53] Speaker 1: stuff because thank you so much for always being such
[37:55] Speaker 1: a great listener and not.
[37:56] Speaker 4: Offering me unsolicited advice all the time.
[37:59] Speaker 1: I love how you just listen and let me come
[38:01] Speaker 1: to my own conclusion.
[38:02] Speaker 4: That's reverse psychology.
[38:04] Speaker 6: I like it.
[38:04] Speaker 1: I think that maybe might help out.
[38:05] Speaker 6: But do you think.
[38:06] Speaker 1: People just don't, it's like sometimes.
[38:07] Speaker 4: You just want to get it out and complain about something.
[38:10] Speaker 4: You're not looking for an answer. You just need to
[38:12] Speaker 4: say like, oh my God, I'm exhausted. Oh my God,
[38:16] Speaker 4: I had the worst day. Oh my God, someone was
[38:18] Speaker 4: A bitch. I do think it's often clear when it's
[38:22] Speaker 4: not a question but apparently not.
[38:25] Speaker 1: But as this unsolicited advice giver, we see an opportunity
[38:28] Speaker 1: to feel smart and helpful and it's very rare that
[38:30] Speaker 1: we get to feel smart and helpful and so we
[38:33] Speaker 1: just can't stop ourselves from taking that opportunity.
[38:36] Speaker 4: But that's like the fixer-carer mentality I think, right?
[38:38] Speaker 1: Yeah, we're being generous.
[38:40] Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah. Or just being generous.
[38:43] Speaker 1: Or we just like the sound of our own voice.
[38:45] Speaker 4: I love giving advice when it's solicited.
[38:47] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[38:48] Speaker 6: Well, I think Anonymous would have taken a lot from
[38:50] Speaker 6: you three ladies. I think we need to wrap this.
[38:52] Speaker 2: Up soon, mainly because I can't breathe anymore in my
[38:55] Speaker 2: full dress.
[38:56] Speaker 5: And I'm sweating.
[38:56] Speaker 6: The taffeta's hotter than I thought. It's very hot. It's
[38:59] Speaker 6: very hot.
[39:02] Speaker 5: Right.
[39:02] Speaker 2: Okay, well, if you're listening and you think one of
[39:04] Speaker 2: your besties might need a celebration for absolutely.
[39:09] Speaker 6: No reason, share this episode with them.
[39:11] Speaker 4: Share the love.
[39:12] Speaker 2: And just a reminder, the Spring Fling is only two
[39:15] Speaker 2: weeks away. If you haven't got your tickets and you
[39:17] Speaker 2: want to come, please get them. We will love to
[39:19] Speaker 2: see you.
[39:20] Speaker 6: In a couple of weeks' time.
[39:21] Speaker 2: And if you want to send us a message of
[39:22] Speaker 2: any variety, DM us at Instagram, which is Unleashed.show. And
[39:27] Speaker 2: as we like to say, ladies... See you next Tuesday!
[39:31] Speaker 2: Until then, stay unfiltered, stay unreasonable and stay unleashed.
[39:35] Speaker 1: Bye!
[39:40] Speaker 2: Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waters
[39:44] Speaker 2: that this podcast is recorded on.

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