# Legal Immigration Policy w/Special Guest, Chris Chmielenski of IAP

An episode of [Policy for Normal People™](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1854216207), 31 Jan 2026, 58 min.

Audio: https://anchor.fm/s/106d78ed8/podcast/play/114809524/https%3A%2F%2Fd3ctxlq1ktw2nl.cloudfront.net%2Fstaging%2F2026-0-31%2F417175819-44100-2-fe12e66f597d1.mp3

Summary In this episode of Policy for Normal People, host Christy Amada discusses the often overlooked legal immigration system with Chris Chmielenski, president of the Immigration Accountability Project. They delve into current legislative proposals, including the SAVE Act and the PAUSE Act, exploring their implications for immigration policy and accountability in Congress. The conversation also covers the appropriations process, the role of various immigration programs, and the impact of immigration on American workers and national interests.

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