# Taking on Apple with Nothing CEO Carl Pei

An episode of [Sources with Alex Heath](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1840154537), 16 Oct 2025, 1 h 09 min.

Audio: https://pscrb.fm/rss/p/prfx.byspotify.com/e/api.substack.com/feed/podcast/213168013/fe165d8d05cac10cb3cba68820fd0edb.mp3

Alex and Ellis recap the first month of the show and chat about the future of AI apps and ChatGPT allowing erotica later this year. They’re then joined by Nothing CEO Carl Pei to discuss building a new kind of smartphone company, competing with Apple, Gen Z, and more. For full video episodes, subscribe on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@accesspod Follow ACCESS on Instagram and TikTok: http://instagram.com/accesspodcast http://tiktok.com/@accesspod Follow Alex's Sources newsletter and on X @alexeheath. Follow Ellis at Meaning and on X @hamburger. ACCESS is produced in partnership with the Vox Media Podcast Network. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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