# 2025-02-05 LIVE DEBATE \[Christianity is Stockholm Syndrome\]

An episode of [Deconstruction Zone](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1837730286), 4 Sep 2025, 4 h 52 min.

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## Transcript

[0:13] Speaker 1: All right, guys, let's get it going. Let's go see
[0:23] Speaker 1: some familiar faces in here already, guys, good to see
[0:27] Speaker 1: Welcome in, Superstar Paul, Welcome to the Crack and Crew Elite,
[0:31] Speaker 1: Big w and same for bad Uncle Bob. Hey, you guys,
[0:34] Speaker 1: check out the deconstruction cheat sheet now that you're part
[0:37] Speaker 1: of the Crack and Crew Elite, I think you'll enjoy it.
[0:40] Speaker 1: And Tim, thank you so much for the ten that
[0:43] Speaker 1: our super chat says. When I worked for the Evil Empire,
[0:47] Speaker 1: we had a saying, despite working for the Catholic Church,
[0:49] Speaker 1: I still believe in God, not anymore. Praise Doug and
[0:53] Speaker 1: share and yeah I get that. Yeah, yeah, that is
[0:56] Speaker 1: an evil empire. Even when I was a believer and
[1:00] Speaker 1: I actually believe in a lot of the Catholic doctor
[1:03] Speaker 1: and believe or not, I couldn't bring myself to be
[1:05] Speaker 1: a Catholic just because the horrible stuff they did. But
[1:09] Speaker 1: Jay Steele, welcome in. Good to see you, buddy. Give
[1:12] Speaker 1: everyone a minute to pour in here. When you get
[1:15] Speaker 1: the guest box open or we're waiting for that to
[1:19] Speaker 1: waiting for that to happen. One second, all right, the
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[1:48] Speaker 1: gifting five Deconstruction Zone memberships. I really appreciate that, friend,
[1:53] Speaker 1: big W for Judas and sore In, good to see you.
[1:59] Speaker 1: Thank you for the forty five DKK say is, let's
[2:02] Speaker 1: go start cooking. We love you. Praise Doug Well. I
[2:07] Speaker 1: really appreciate that soaring and I think we're we're getting
[2:10] Speaker 1: it going here just now. Ripper, good to see you.
[2:13] Speaker 1: Thank you for the hat. I appreciate that. All right, guys,
[2:17] Speaker 1: we should have a guest loaded up here any minute now.
[2:19] Speaker 1: I think the stream's up and running. I'm going to
[2:22] Speaker 1: test it on my phone to make sure there's no
[2:24] Speaker 1: leg Wuffska dude, thank you for the air balloons, big w.
[2:28] Speaker 1: I appreciate that. And Silver Surfer. Good to see in
[2:32] Speaker 1: the house. Silver Surfer with the five dollars super hype.
[2:37] Speaker 1: I appreciate that. And Monique, thank you so much for
[2:39] Speaker 1: the hats on TikTok, big W. Monique and Jake, how's
[2:44] Speaker 1: in the house too, Jake cal thank you so much
[2:45] Speaker 1: for the five dollars. Super Chest says, watching you with
[2:48] Speaker 1: Doctor Bowen and Doctor bird great stuff. Praise Doug. I agree,
[2:52] Speaker 1: praise Doug. And I'm gonna be actually on with Doctor
[2:55] Speaker 1: Birdigan soon. We're gonna be going through a lot of
[2:59] Speaker 1: what she says in her newest book, which is, you know,
[3:03] Speaker 1: marriage in the Bible, what do the text say? So
[3:06] Speaker 1: I'm excited to read that book. Her first book was
[3:08] Speaker 1: really good read too. Maximilian Gift in ten Deconstruction Zone memberships,
[3:14] Speaker 1: big W. I appreciate that, Maximilian. Hey, it's ten more
[3:18] Speaker 1: people that have access to the Deconstruction cheat sheet. And
[3:21] Speaker 1: for those who don't know, I did update the Deconstruction
[3:25] Speaker 1: cheat sheet, finally finished it. I think today I'm like
[3:28] Speaker 1: my lunch break and I've now got like every reference
[3:33] Speaker 1: to Hell from the relevant time period of the Biblical
[3:38] Speaker 1: texts on that spreadsheet. So if you want to know
[3:41] Speaker 1: when people say Hell or Hades or Gehenna or what
[3:45] Speaker 1: have you at the time of Jesus, what in the
[3:48] Speaker 1: world were they talking about. I didn't go through all
[3:51] Speaker 1: the Greek sources yet. I need to go through quite
[3:54] Speaker 1: a bit of the Greek sources still yet and add
[3:56] Speaker 1: those I need to get Filo added. I need to
[3:59] Speaker 1: get some of the Greek historians added. But we're going
[4:02] Speaker 1: to get there. We are going to get there. And
[4:06] Speaker 1: Millennial Meg, good to see you. Thank you for the two.
[4:09] Speaker 1: Our super chat says so excited for this topic. Me too.
[4:12] Speaker 1: It should be a good topic. We should have a
[4:14] Speaker 1: guest up here any minute too. So you know, my
[4:18] Speaker 1: thesis here is actually pretty simple. My thesis is that
[4:23] Speaker 1: Christianity is not love. It is not a religion of love.
[4:26] Speaker 1: This is a religion of coercion. This is a religion
[4:31] Speaker 1: of I am the most powerful being. I make all
[4:34] Speaker 1: the rules, and if you disobey me in the slightest
[4:37] Speaker 1: I will torture you. Jesus did not die for your sins.
[4:41] Speaker 1: He died because his father Slash himself is a bloodthirsty,
[4:46] Speaker 1: genocidal maniac. And Carly, good to see you. Carrie, good
[4:50] Speaker 1: to see you. Astro Nova, good to see in here. Guys,
[4:53] Speaker 1: thank you for the hats. I appreciate that we should
[4:57] Speaker 1: have should have a fun time tonight. It's been I'm
[5:01] Speaker 1: going to say a couple months since we ran this topic.
[5:03] Speaker 1: I don't know how long it's been, but it's been
[5:04] Speaker 1: a hot minute. So I think we have some fun
[5:07] Speaker 1: with this. I think the last time we used the
[5:10] Speaker 1: fiery background we were talking about why I should go
[5:15] Speaker 1: to hell. Look at Fimo already crashing out in the comments.
[5:19] Speaker 1: You read the Bible wrong. Well, Fimo, you're welcome to
[5:22] Speaker 1: get in the guest box and to show me you
[5:24] Speaker 1: know the right way to read the Bible. I'd love
[5:26] Speaker 1: to hear what you have to say about it, because
[5:29] Speaker 1: my guess is you've actually not read the Bible, which
[5:31] Speaker 1: is why you have this opinion. But for those of
[5:33] Speaker 1: us who actually read the book, it's pretty simple. It's
[5:37] Speaker 1: you either love God or you burn.
[5:40] Speaker 2: That's it.
[5:40] Speaker 1: Those are your two options, and that is definitionally Stockholman
[5:45] Speaker 1: syndrome user nine to two two. You have to use
[5:52] Speaker 1: correct grammar when you say silly things. You are brother
[5:56] Speaker 1: would be ashamed as not a cojint phrase. So you're
[5:59] Speaker 1: gonna have you got to do better than that. In
[6:02] Speaker 1: the comment accession. I know it's just a comment in
[6:04] Speaker 1: section and people say silly things. But that's an embarrassing guy.
[6:07] Speaker 1: Come on, all right, let's get robbed in the gust box.
[6:12] Speaker 1: How you doing robbed?
[6:13] Speaker 2: How you doing?
[6:14] Speaker 3: Man?
[6:15] Speaker 1: Doing good? Are you?
[6:17] Speaker 2: I'm all right, man, I'm just a bit confused about
[6:19] Speaker 2: the statement you got on.
[6:20] Speaker 1: Screen there, Sure, what's the confusion?
[6:23] Speaker 2: I mean, I'm presuming Stockholm syndrome is you know, a
[6:27] Speaker 2: bit someone who's being abused becoming more comfortable and more
[6:32] Speaker 2: what would you call it obsessed with their abuse?
[6:34] Speaker 3: Or is that right?
[6:35] Speaker 1: I don't know if obsessed is the correct word for it,
[6:38] Speaker 1: but you're not too far off. Stockholm syndred is basically
[6:41] Speaker 1: when you're taking captive or you're you know, under somebody
[6:46] Speaker 1: else's guard at some point and you begin to feel
[6:50] Speaker 1: positive emotions or even sympathy for your captors.
[6:56] Speaker 2: So how is a Christianity kidnapping people?
[7:00] Speaker 1: I never said anyth about kidnapping, But that being said,
[7:02] Speaker 1: we are God's captives. We have to do exactly what
[7:06] Speaker 1: he says we have No, we really don't have the
[7:09] Speaker 1: power to not do that, because what happens if we
[7:12] Speaker 1: disobey God?
[7:14] Speaker 2: I mean most people say you go to hell? But
[7:19] Speaker 2: says that, what do you but deconstruct. Do you believe
[7:22] Speaker 2: in God?
[7:23] Speaker 4: No?
[7:24] Speaker 1: Why would I believe in a God that says you
[7:26] Speaker 1: will love me or I will torture you. Do you
[7:29] Speaker 1: think that's a realistic sounding deity?
[7:33] Speaker 2: I think the reason why most people say that is
[7:35] Speaker 2: is that you cannot respect God and still believe in
[7:39] Speaker 2: him in some ways?
[7:40] Speaker 1: Why I don't believe in him? And I certainly wouldn't
[7:42] Speaker 1: believe it a God that is like silly, like a
[7:45] Speaker 1: God that claims to be all loving, but then he
[7:48] Speaker 1: says that he's going to do horrible things for you
[7:51] Speaker 1: for mere thought crimes. We're just not believing things. Do
[7:54] Speaker 1: you think that people should be tortured for thought crimes?
[7:59] Speaker 2: Tortured for five I don't believe anybody should be tortured?
[8:02] Speaker 1: Well, God does. God's going to send you to the
[8:04] Speaker 1: eternal punishment of flames where there's wailing and gnashing of teeth.
[8:10] Speaker 2: Oh yeah, well you can say. You can say that,
[8:14] Speaker 2: but if there was undeniable proof of this God, which
[8:16] Speaker 2: obviously there is not. Definitely not no, yeah no, But
[8:20] Speaker 2: if there was undeniable proof, say that God showed himself
[8:24] Speaker 2: from the sky one day and you witnessed it, would
[8:26] Speaker 2: you still blesphe me him, or would you start to
[8:29] Speaker 2: worship him and get on your knees.
[8:31] Speaker 1: I just want to know, would I know that it's
[8:33] Speaker 1: this God?
[8:35] Speaker 4: Now?
[8:35] Speaker 2: I'm just saying, if one day you're on the street
[8:36] Speaker 2: and obviously God just showed up in the sky just
[8:39] Speaker 2: for a few seconds, you know it was undeniable, that
[8:42] Speaker 2: it was a being more larger than the world itself,
[8:45] Speaker 2: and he just vanished. Would you start to worship a
[8:48] Speaker 2: god or would you continue to say that this God
[8:52] Speaker 2: is still you know the way you say now that
[8:55] Speaker 2: the God shouldn't be respected or it shouldn't be why.
[9:01] Speaker 2: I mean, because you don't worship it because you don't
[9:03] Speaker 2: believe in it. But even if there was, even if.
[9:06] Speaker 1: I did, why would I why would I want to
[9:07] Speaker 1: worship it?
[9:09] Speaker 2: Well, because if you knew that the Christian God was
[9:11] Speaker 2: a real god, I'm pretty sure you'd know that you
[9:13] Speaker 2: go to hell.
[9:14] Speaker 1: Well, you just say you said a god. If the
[9:17] Speaker 1: Christian God was real, he can go fuck himself. He's
[9:19] Speaker 1: a monster. We're just talking about. You said a god.
[9:22] Speaker 1: If there's a God, then I need to know why
[9:24] Speaker 1: I should worship.
[9:25] Speaker 2: It because he because I don't know. Man, you can
[9:30] Speaker 2: you can sit here and be like, oh, yeah, you can't.
[9:32] Speaker 2: But if you don't respect God, why is he going
[9:35] Speaker 2: to respect you?
[9:36] Speaker 1: Why should I respect him?
[9:38] Speaker 2: Because he's the most Because by definition, he's the most
[9:40] Speaker 2: powerful thing in the universe.
[9:42] Speaker 1: So if being most powerful makes you the most.
[9:44] Speaker 2: Respectable, I think that's yeah.
[9:48] Speaker 1: Okay. So if if I'm the most powerful human being
[9:51] Speaker 1: on the planet, sam the president of the United States,
[9:53] Speaker 1: and I could bench press five buicks, but I also,
[9:57] Speaker 1: I don't know, torture babies, and I should have I
[10:00] Speaker 1: be respected.
[10:02] Speaker 2: I mean, respect and love are very different things.
[10:05] Speaker 1: I didn't ask about love. I asked about respect. If
[10:07] Speaker 1: I have the most powerful human being on the planet,
[10:10] Speaker 1: but I torture babies, should I be respected?
[10:12] Speaker 2: Yeah? You should be respected because you're the most powerful being.
[10:15] Speaker 1: Cray way way, because I don't think we should respect
[10:19] Speaker 1: you the torture babies.
[10:21] Speaker 2: Yeah. But what I'm saying right here, deconstruct is is
[10:23] Speaker 2: that you cannot like someone in.
[10:25] Speaker 1: The toxicity of this religions wild.
[10:29] Speaker 2: Can you still respect someone even though you don't like them?
[10:31] Speaker 1: Do they torture babies?
[10:33] Speaker 4: No?
[10:33] Speaker 2: I just I answered your question when.
[10:35] Speaker 1: My analogy is very simple. Does the person torture babies
[10:39] Speaker 1: in my analogy, they do. So no, I don't respect
[10:41] Speaker 1: that person. I don't care how powerful they are.
[10:44] Speaker 2: Right, But how are you going to feel? You just
[10:46] Speaker 2: said yourself that you were that person. So if you
[10:49] Speaker 2: were that person who tortured babies, do whatever, and I
[10:52] Speaker 2: came to you saying, you know your your you're worthless,
[10:54] Speaker 2: You're nothing, would you? Would you? What would you do
[10:56] Speaker 2: in response? If you had all that power?
[10:58] Speaker 1: Like if I was the most powerful and I was
[11:01] Speaker 1: also like your God, I'd probably smite you. But I'm
[11:04] Speaker 1: better than your God. I wouldn't do that in real life.
[11:07] Speaker 2: You wouldn't.
[11:08] Speaker 1: No, of course not. I'm a I'm a a genocidal maniac,
[11:11] Speaker 1: like your God is not me.
[11:13] Speaker 2: Name me one powerful person who's not become enveloped in power.
[11:18] Speaker 1: We're talking about like people that want to harm other people.
[11:21] Speaker 1: You know, there are powerful people that don't harm others. Oh,
[11:24] Speaker 1: we can name a bunch of them. For example, the
[11:27] Speaker 1: ex wife of the the Amazon founder. What hell is
[11:31] Speaker 1: the name? Missus past missus Bezos. She's pretty awesome. I
[11:36] Speaker 1: also like Bill Gates quite a bit. They've done quite
[11:39] Speaker 1: a bit for humanity there. They've spent a lot of
[11:42] Speaker 1: their time, spending their wealth and their power actively do
[11:45] Speaker 1: help humanity. I would say the same with Warren Buffett.
[11:47] Speaker 1: Warren Buffett has been a phenomenal philanthropist as well. Very
[11:52] Speaker 1: powerful people, very powerful, none of them tortured babies, by
[11:56] Speaker 1: the way.
[11:57] Speaker 2: Those people demand respects or.
[11:59] Speaker 1: I don't know if a demand respect, but I think
[12:01] Speaker 1: they've earned respect. Just because they're powerful doesn't mean I
[12:04] Speaker 1: should respect them. Does Does? Did Hitler demand respect?
[12:09] Speaker 2: What do you mean? Did he demand respect?
[12:11] Speaker 1: Should you respect Hitler?
[12:13] Speaker 2: What do you mean should you respect?
[12:15] Speaker 1: Should you have respected Hitler?
[12:16] Speaker 5: He was very powerful?
[12:17] Speaker 2: I would say I would say Hitler dragged his country
[12:20] Speaker 2: out him in the common white.
[12:21] Speaker 1: Yes or no? Should you have respected Hitleryes or no?
[12:25] Speaker 2: I think a lot of countries did respect Hitler.
[12:27] Speaker 1: I'm asking you if you lived that. It's a very
[12:31] Speaker 1: easy hypothetical question. Does Hitler deserve respect?
[12:36] Speaker 2: Does Hitler deserve respect? Yes, but that does not mean.
[12:39] Speaker 1: That these are Hitler deserve respect. No wonder people are
[12:48] Speaker 1: leaving this religion in the fucking droves. Hitler deserves respect.
[12:53] Speaker 1: This guy wild unbelievable? Is your is your mother watching
[12:59] Speaker 1: this right now? Telled to turn the Internet off by
[13:01] Speaker 1: the way. This is really embarrassing for your whole lineage.
[13:04] Speaker 1: You're not gonna have kids, are you.
[13:07] Speaker 2: I never claim to be Christian, so I don't know
[13:08] Speaker 2: why you're assuming I'm Christians.
[13:09] Speaker 1: So why are you after defending the Christian God? I'd
[13:11] Speaker 1: be running away from Christianity too, after getting cooked like this.
[13:14] Speaker 2: You're making the claim that because someone is powerful, you
[13:17] Speaker 2: shouldn't respect them.
[13:19] Speaker 1: That's not I come at all.
[13:21] Speaker 2: That's that you just said that.
[13:22] Speaker 1: That's not at all my claim. My claim is that
[13:24] Speaker 1: respect has nothing to do with whether or not you're powerful.
[13:27] Speaker 2: It isn't.
[13:28] Speaker 1: No.
[13:30] Speaker 2: So if an undeniable God came in front of you said,
[13:32] Speaker 2: bounce your knees, now, I'll shoot you. What are you
[13:34] Speaker 2: gonna do?
[13:34] Speaker 1: So you can go fuck himself right?
[13:36] Speaker 2: Then you're gonna get shot. So that's just disrespectful.
[13:40] Speaker 1: I'll die with an actual ounce of dignity.
[13:44] Speaker 2: Who you won't die with ounce of dignity. You'll live
[13:47] Speaker 2: forever until now.
[13:48] Speaker 1: I'll be dying with an ounce of dignity. I refuse
[13:50] Speaker 1: to worship a creator that thinks it's okay to rape
[13:53] Speaker 1: women for their husband's crimes. And I refuse to worship
[13:56] Speaker 1: a creator that think it's okay to torture babies.
[14:00] Speaker 2: Let's say, let's say that and you want to hell
[14:02] Speaker 2: for nine hundred thousand years just because it's eternity, right,
[14:06] Speaker 2: nine hundred thousand years later, after you made the decision
[14:08] Speaker 2: to you know, flip off to God and say no,
[14:12] Speaker 2: would you regret that decision?
[14:13] Speaker 6: Now?
[14:13] Speaker 7: Get used to it.
[14:15] Speaker 2: You get used to it. You wouldn't look back and think, man,
[14:17] Speaker 2: I wish I did that.
[14:18] Speaker 1: That's the funny thing about hell fire is that eventually
[14:21] Speaker 1: your nerve endings disappear because it'll be completely burned off.
[14:24] Speaker 1: How do you how do you think you're actually experiencing
[14:26] Speaker 1: pain in hell if you don't have a body.
[14:29] Speaker 2: Again, you're assuming that I claim that was in real place.
[14:32] Speaker 2: Like you're just laughing, like.
[14:34] Speaker 1: Because God's ridiculous. That's why listen, I'm trying to figure
[14:38] Speaker 1: out why your God is confronting people putting guns to
[14:41] Speaker 1: their heads. To be fair, that is that is roughly
[14:44] Speaker 1: about how the Bible describes it. God puts a gun
[14:46] Speaker 1: to your head and says, love me or I'll pull
[14:48] Speaker 1: the trigger. What a loving God? Oh what a guy?
[14:53] Speaker 2: Stop with the tyranny. I asked you, I said, do
[14:57] Speaker 2: I believe my God is all loving?
[14:59] Speaker 4: No?
[14:59] Speaker 2: I don't my God's all loving?
[15:01] Speaker 1: Oh cool, So the Bible's wrong. Then when it says
[15:03] Speaker 1: God is.
[15:03] Speaker 2: Love never, I never claim to listen to the Bible.
[15:06] Speaker 3: I never.
[15:07] Speaker 1: So the Bible is not true.
[15:08] Speaker 2: Then you've assumed that because you because.
[15:10] Speaker 1: The Bible true?
[15:12] Speaker 2: Is the Bible true? You tell me, man, do you
[15:16] Speaker 2: think the Bible is true?
[15:17] Speaker 3: Say not.
[15:17] Speaker 1: I'm asking you what you believe.
[15:20] Speaker 2: Obviously not, So you don't think.
[15:22] Speaker 1: The Bible is true. You're making this religion sound worse
[15:25] Speaker 1: and worse. Okay, so let's let's gather in what we've
[15:28] Speaker 1: what we've collected so far. So what we've learned so
[15:30] Speaker 1: far is that you don't believe God is good, you
[15:33] Speaker 1: believe that Mike might makes right, and you don't even
[15:37] Speaker 1: believe that the Bible is true. So then I would
[15:40] Speaker 1: ask a follow up question, which is, why do you
[15:43] Speaker 1: believe in this crazy, narcissistic God. If you don't even
[15:47] Speaker 1: believe that the Bible is.
[15:48] Speaker 2: True, why do you believe that you'll wake up in
[15:52] Speaker 2: the morning.
[15:53] Speaker 1: I'm asking you why you believe this thing is true?
[15:56] Speaker 2: Right, the same reason you believe that you wake up
[15:58] Speaker 2: in the morning. It's called trust. Why what do you
[16:01] Speaker 2: mean why?
[16:02] Speaker 1: I didn't ask you if you trusted this narcissistic God.
[16:04] Speaker 1: I'm asking you, why do you trust?
[16:06] Speaker 2: The God needs a why?
[16:09] Speaker 1: Reason does That's literally the whole point of this okay,
[16:12] Speaker 1: So you can't answer the question half of his okay,
[16:15] Speaker 1: So you can't answer the question. I figured you'd run
[16:18] Speaker 1: from it because you run from all of my questions.
[16:20] Speaker 1: So I think we're pretty much through with the questions
[16:22] Speaker 1: and the talking over each other for now. I'm going
[16:24] Speaker 1: to put in a guest to another adult in the
[16:27] Speaker 1: guest box, or at least of maybe the first adult.
[16:29] Speaker 1: Rather wild. Imagine believing in a god that you don't
[16:34] Speaker 1: even think the book is talking about.
[16:36] Speaker 3: It is true.
[16:39] Speaker 1: It's gonna be a good night, guys. Gouge your eyes out.
[16:42] Speaker 1: Thank you for the duo. Our super chest says. If
[16:43] Speaker 1: God could forgive sins for Jews, why sacrifice? Yeah, that's
[16:47] Speaker 1: the craziest thing. Listen. God was forgiving people's sins all
[16:50] Speaker 1: the time in the Bible, all the time. Even John
[16:53] Speaker 1: the Baptist was baptizing people for the repentance of sins.
[16:58] Speaker 1: We didn't we didn't need no human sacrifice.
[17:02] Speaker 2: It's crazy.
[17:04] Speaker 1: Corvin, thank you so much for the six sixty six.
[17:06] Speaker 1: It says, I cooked fundamentalist Christians today using your talking points.
[17:09] Speaker 1: So easy and so fun. Yes, thank you so much
[17:12] Speaker 1: for letting me know. I appreciate that. That's why I published
[17:15] Speaker 1: the Deconstruction cheat sheet. Guys, all the information you needed
[17:19] Speaker 1: to go out and cook Christians. Ryan, thank you for
[17:21] Speaker 1: becoming a member of the Crack and Crew elite. And
[17:24] Speaker 1: Ed thank you for the ten dollar Superjests says ordered
[17:27] Speaker 1: and received new cookbooks net Oxford and Catholic note taking
[17:32] Speaker 1: Bible per your recommendation. Thank you for what you do well.
[17:35] Speaker 1: Thank you for letting me know that you got those Bibles.
[17:38] Speaker 1: Let me know how you enjoy them. I think you're
[17:40] Speaker 1: going to really enjoy the academic study notes in them.
[17:43] Speaker 1: And Porcelina, thank you for the two dour super chests says,
[17:47] Speaker 1: religion is not love so so true. It's not especially
[17:50] Speaker 1: not this religion. This one's this is a bad religion. Evan,
[17:55] Speaker 1: good to see you tonight. Thank you for the five
[17:56] Speaker 1: our super chest says it seems like reading the Bible
[17:58] Speaker 1: is the Christians personal hell. Praised Uck for not being
[18:02] Speaker 1: a mantra like yeah, yeah, you're right. Listen. If there
[18:05] Speaker 1: was a hell for Christians, it would be in a
[18:07] Speaker 1: place where you had to sit quietly with your thoughts
[18:10] Speaker 1: and read the Bible forever. Uh A fodic Phoenix, thank
[18:17] Speaker 1: you for the ten hour super jests. The exvangelical Bible
[18:20] Speaker 1: study video you released with Sarah was fantastic. Hope you
[18:23] Speaker 1: continue to hope you both continue to make them. Thanks
[18:27] Speaker 1: for sharing your knowledge. Well, thank you for watching. I
[18:29] Speaker 1: really appreciate that.
[18:30] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[18:30] Speaker 1: On Sarah's channel, we're doing a ex vangelical Bible study,
[18:34] Speaker 1: so I think you guys are really like it, So
[18:37] Speaker 1: go on check out Leaving Faith's YouTube channel. Most of
[18:41] Speaker 1: you already follower on here. David Bevin, thank you for
[18:45] Speaker 1: the ten dollars Australian super chat. It says sixty six
[18:48] Speaker 1: six thousand followers on TikTok Hale's a big w Listen
[18:53] Speaker 1: if anyone follows me Now, I got to start deleting
[18:55] Speaker 1: followers so I can stay at sixty six point six
[18:58] Speaker 1: because it's just too Magic and Medusa thank you for
[19:01] Speaker 1: the two dour super chests, says this dude would have
[19:03] Speaker 1: worshiped Thanos. I know, listen, listen, just just being powerful
[19:08] Speaker 1: doesn't make you respectable. And mech I think you mean
[19:13] Speaker 1: mechanic Jack. Maybe mech Jack. Anyways, welcome to the Crack
[19:17] Speaker 1: and Crew and displaced Gamer. Good to see in the
[19:20] Speaker 1: house tonight. Thank you for the five dollar super chests,
[19:22] Speaker 1: says what's your thoughts about Alex O'Connor having to cancel
[19:25] Speaker 1: his modern databates because of threats? It's pretty common. I
[19:29] Speaker 1: see that a lot with these debaters. I get death
[19:32] Speaker 1: arts all the time. Believers are completely unhinged. There will
[19:36] Speaker 1: probably come a point where all of us big atheist
[19:39] Speaker 1: creators will have to have bodyguards. You already saw the
[19:44] Speaker 1: guy that was executed live on TikTok stream for burning
[19:47] Speaker 1: the Koran. I mean, believers would do anything to're crazy guys.
[19:51] Speaker 1: Protect yourself out there, Dean with like a year or two,
[19:55] Speaker 1: someone tried to run them over. These people are crazy guys,
[19:58] Speaker 1: They're insane, but hey, they're just like their god perilous range.
[20:02] Speaker 1: Thank you for the bye to our superchet, says Calor
[20:03] Speaker 1: number one has a perspective that's theologically accurate. Calvinists, nightmare
[20:09] Speaker 1: deity is a fair way to process the content. Yeah,
[20:11] Speaker 1: you're not, and you're not wrong that the Calvinist God
[20:14] Speaker 1: is despicable and Carrie, good to see you again. Regarding
[20:19] Speaker 1: Psalm twenty eighty two sixty seven, Children of the Most High,
[20:23] Speaker 1: you will die like mortars mortals? Were they always mortal?
[20:27] Speaker 1: I'm confused, Praise Doug. No, Carrie, they're not. So this
[20:30] Speaker 1: is pertained to a conversation we had before in Psalm
[20:32] Speaker 1: mayty two, where it talks about the gods and the
[20:34] Speaker 1: Divine Council.
[20:35] Speaker 7: They're not.
[20:35] Speaker 1: They're actual deities according to the Divine Council theology. So
[20:43] Speaker 1: they are gods that are going to die like mortals.
[20:45] Speaker 1: That's why it says you will die like mortals, not
[20:49] Speaker 1: because they're mortals, but because they're gods, and gods aren't
[20:51] Speaker 1: supposed to die, but God's casting judgment on them. And
[20:54] Speaker 1: we'll grab two of our superchets. Guys, we'll get our
[20:57] Speaker 1: next guest in here. Thank you so much much, Pat,
[21:00] Speaker 1: Pat for the two hour super chet. Good to see
[21:02] Speaker 1: you tonight, says that guy that respects the killing of babies,
[21:05] Speaker 1: I know, as crazy as the Dogauld. Welcome in. Thank
[21:08] Speaker 1: you for all the hats. I appreciate that, and Christina,
[21:11] Speaker 1: I see you in there. Thanks for coming up Christina, Christina,
[21:14] Speaker 1: good to see him, and Jessica, thank you for the
[21:17] Speaker 1: two hour super chet says the Christian grooming Organization's harm children.
[21:20] Speaker 1: Yeah the hell yeah they do. And last one, Carla,
[21:23] Speaker 1: good to see you tonight, Carla, says Heil Doug. Thanks
[21:26] Speaker 1: for updating the cheat sheet. Much appreciated. She and Admiration, Well,
[21:30] Speaker 1: thank you so much for being a subscribing member and
[21:33] Speaker 1: having access to the cheat sheet. I've got a bunch
[21:35] Speaker 1: more stuff. The next upload on the cheat sheet, guys,
[21:38] Speaker 1: is going to be mega. I've literally I've been working
[21:41] Speaker 1: on it for months. It's unbelievable. You're gonna love it.
[21:44] Speaker 1: But anyways, Lamonica, how are you doing.
[21:49] Speaker 6: I'm great.
[21:50] Speaker 8: I don't want to take up too much of your time.
[21:51] Speaker 8: I'm a fellow atheist and I was loving listening to
[21:54] Speaker 8: you could get robbed. But I think the problem that
[21:57] Speaker 8: he doesn't understand in regards to talking about spect he
[22:00] Speaker 8: doesn't want He's not He's not saying you to respect.
[22:03] Speaker 8: He doesn't understand he's not asking for respect, he's asking
[22:06] Speaker 8: for a compliance. Basically throwing, oh if I kill you, you,
[22:11] Speaker 8: if I say I'm going to kill you, you're gonna
[22:13] Speaker 8: respect me. No openny of people have said I'd rather
[22:15] Speaker 8: die on my feet than live on my knees. Why
[22:17] Speaker 8: would I want to live in a world where I
[22:19] Speaker 8: have to bow down to someone like you? And many
[22:22] Speaker 8: people have taken the other route. And my thing with
[22:26] Speaker 8: that is, if why are you so afraid of dying?
[22:30] Speaker 8: If you believe in this heaven and this afterlife.
[22:32] Speaker 1: That's a very good point. Actually, I've had that conversation
[22:36] Speaker 1: with quite a few Christians, Jim, that's the only.
[22:39] Speaker 6: Thing they had when people talk about why you should believe.
[22:42] Speaker 6: And I said, look, the.
[22:43] Speaker 8: Only thing you only thing you have is that is
[22:46] Speaker 8: what you think is going to happen to me after
[22:48] Speaker 8: we die. Everything else, it sounds like an abusive relationship.
[22:51] Speaker 8: If I had a husband who treated me this way,
[22:53] Speaker 8: why would I Why would I stay with this person?
[22:55] Speaker 8: So why would I worship this guy who wants to
[22:58] Speaker 8: torture me because of what may happen to me when
[23:01] Speaker 8: I die? That's you know, me being a non believer.
[23:05] Speaker 8: Everything's going to happen to me just like it's going
[23:07] Speaker 8: to happen to you. Someone's gonna get cancer, someone's gonna
[23:09] Speaker 8: get run over, someone's gonna get sick. Everybody's gonna die.
[23:12] Speaker 8: The only thing is what's going to happen to us after.
[23:15] Speaker 8: If I'm good with going to hell, how is this
[23:17] Speaker 8: your problem?
[23:18] Speaker 1: Fantastic? Well, listenough, Bud, you're a fellow atheist and you're
[23:22] Speaker 1: on the right side of reality. Thanks for sharing your
[23:25] Speaker 1: two cents. We're going to keep cooking Christians. Okay, thank you, right, cheers,
[23:30] Speaker 1: big w for the guests on I'm being legit. I
[23:34] Speaker 1: got one more person I got to get to in
[23:36] Speaker 1: the TikTok q that's been waiting, and then we'll start
[23:38] Speaker 1: grabbing people out of the YouTube. Que guys. How you doing, Aliverara?
[23:48] Speaker 1: Oh yeah, well, come man, are you at least eighteen?
[23:51] Speaker 1: And are you a believer?
[23:53] Speaker 9: I am to both cool?
[23:56] Speaker 1: And why should I worship the Christian God?
[24:01] Speaker 10: Well, that's a good question. Because I'm not a Christian.
[24:03] Speaker 10: I would have be able to answer that for you.
[24:05] Speaker 1: Oh well, we're just talking to Christians, Okay.
[24:07] Speaker 10: I just had a quick question. I have Christians that
[24:10] Speaker 10: are always telling me things about their how Islam is
[24:13] Speaker 10: so bad and their Bible is so good. And I
[24:15] Speaker 10: just heard you say something very interesting, something about ten
[24:19] Speaker 10: wives were being graped.
[24:21] Speaker 11: Do you know what I mean.
[24:23] Speaker 10: Could you explain that for me real quick before I drop.
[24:25] Speaker 1: Yeah. And Second Samuel chapter twelve, because David sinned by
[24:31] Speaker 1: taking Bathsheba, the wife of your Riyah the Hittite. As
[24:34] Speaker 1: punishment for David's adultery, God has ten of David's wives
[24:39] Speaker 1: graped by a family member, which is completed in chapter
[24:44] Speaker 1: sixteen of Second Samuel. They were forcibly taken up to
[24:49] Speaker 1: the top of the palace and graped in broad daylight
[24:52] Speaker 1: as a display of force over his father.
[24:56] Speaker 10: Wow, so that's what their God did.
[24:58] Speaker 1: He ordered this, he said, I will cause this thing
[25:02] Speaker 1: to happen, says I am raising up trouble you within
[25:05] Speaker 1: your own house against you, and I will take your
[25:06] Speaker 1: wives before your very eyes.
[25:09] Speaker 10: And they will sleep with them in broad daylight.
[25:11] Speaker 6: Right, Okay, And so this actually happens.
[25:16] Speaker 9: Wow.
[25:17] Speaker 5: What liars they are.
[25:18] Speaker 10: They said it was just hyperbole.
[25:20] Speaker 12: Can you believe it happened?
[25:21] Speaker 1: Chapter sixteen. They never read the book, that's the problem.
[25:23] Speaker 10: Yeah, chapter six could you give me that again. I'm
[25:27] Speaker 10: gonna get in the chat.
[25:28] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[25:28] Speaker 1: Second Samuel sixteen is where it gets fulfilled.
[25:32] Speaker 10: Samuel sixteen. Wow, great, what a great God. Okay, thank
[25:37] Speaker 10: you so much.
[25:38] Speaker 1: I am cheers.
[25:39] Speaker 13: Have a good one.
[25:41] Speaker 1: All right, we'll grab our first guest from the YouTube queue.
[25:47] Speaker 1: I will word of caution for everyone in the YouTube
[25:50] Speaker 1: que guys. I do prioritize people in the queue that
[25:54] Speaker 1: actually have their cameras on. That's just how I roll
[25:57] Speaker 1: up here. People like seeing someone's face on the green,
[26:01] Speaker 1: so just heads up for that. So we got Emmanuel,
[26:04] Speaker 1: I think was in the queue first. How you doing, Emmanuel? Manuel?
[26:18] Speaker 4: Are you with us?
[26:19] Speaker 1: Emmanuel? I don't see you talking, and I don't see
[26:22] Speaker 1: any bars Emmanuel. I don't think Emmanuel's with us anymore.
[26:29] Speaker 3: Guys.
[26:30] Speaker 1: All right, sorry, well let me oh sorry, let me
[26:32] Speaker 1: let me check one thing before before I do. Uh,
[26:40] Speaker 1: everything's set up right, Sorry, Emmanuel, Try try again, Come
[26:44] Speaker 1: on back and try again. All right, We're going to
[26:45] Speaker 1: grab The next in line is Josh. How are you doing, Josh? Josh?
[26:55] Speaker 3: Are you?
[26:56] Speaker 1: Are you driving right now? You can't drive and be
[26:59] Speaker 1: on live at the same time. I'm I don't know
[27:06] Speaker 1: why they want to drive in live so often. It's
[27:08] Speaker 1: the wildest thing to me. Do you not understand it?
[27:14] Speaker 1: All right, let's grab Austin. Welcome in Austin. How you
[27:17] Speaker 1: doing good? Are we doing good? Thank you for asking, Austin.
[27:21] Speaker 1: Are you at least eighteen? And are you a believer?
[27:23] Speaker 3: I am and I'm Catholic?
[27:25] Speaker 1: Oh fantastic. Oh so you believe in purgatory?
[27:28] Speaker 4: Yeah?
[27:29] Speaker 1: Oh fuck yeah? All right, Purgatory is way cooler than Helm. Okay,
[27:32] Speaker 1: so in your particular belief system, who actually goes to Helm?
[27:37] Speaker 14: Uh?
[27:38] Speaker 15: We believe as anybody who has sent or hasn't atoned.
[27:41] Speaker 15: I know you went to Catholic school for I believe
[27:43] Speaker 15: for my understanding, so as long as I mean, if
[27:48] Speaker 15: I don't have a right to judge, but if you
[27:54] Speaker 15: haven't tone for your sins and or gone to confession
[27:56] Speaker 15: in the Catholic faith, then uh, do either go to
[28:00] Speaker 15: purgatory or potentially hell? For instance verse coming into this argument,
[28:04] Speaker 15: I know you're much smarter than I am. You have
[28:07] Speaker 15: background in a seminary. So if any of my arguments
[28:10] Speaker 15: aren't good, or if you have a question for me
[28:12] Speaker 15: and that I don't know, I will simply say I
[28:14] Speaker 15: don't know, don't know about the bat.
[28:17] Speaker 1: So it sounds to me as far as I can
[28:20] Speaker 1: tell and far as I know from Catholic doctrine, and
[28:23] Speaker 1: I've actually got the Catechism behind them. If we need
[28:25] Speaker 1: to reference it, Hell is or people like me as well,
[28:30] Speaker 1: for people who don't believe in Jesus. Right, because in
[28:41] Speaker 1: Revelation twenty one to eight talks about how the unbelievers
[28:45] Speaker 1: will be thrown into the lake of fire. All right, right,
[28:50] Speaker 1: and I'm definitely an unbeliever. Okay, So do you think
[28:57] Speaker 1: that Hell is an appropriate ALTI heredative to heaven?
[29:06] Speaker 15: I believe, I mean, with Catholic belief, he also have
[29:10] Speaker 15: purgatory there, or the idea of purgatory as well, right,
[29:16] Speaker 15: I think, I mean, I mean, meeting you, I think
[29:19] Speaker 15: you seem like a good person. I can't, like I said,
[29:21] Speaker 15: I can't judge you seem like a good person.
[29:23] Speaker 3: I wouldn't think you go.
[29:24] Speaker 15: To Hell or purgatory or heaven. I don't think that's
[29:27] Speaker 15: my call the personal belief at least.
[29:35] Speaker 1: Is Hell permanent?
[29:40] Speaker 3: That I'm not sure? Okay?
[29:48] Speaker 1: Can you pray somebody out of purgatory?
[29:53] Speaker 3: Yes? I believe so interesting.
[29:58] Speaker 1: Isn't that kind of a weird thing. I've no about
[30:00] Speaker 1: the praying for people in purgatory for a long time
[30:02] Speaker 1: because you know, as you said, I went to Catholic
[30:04] Speaker 1: school and we used to practice that. But isn't it
[30:07] Speaker 1: weird that if purgatory is a place where you are
[30:10] Speaker 1: having your sins purged and you're basically atoning for your
[30:14] Speaker 1: your sins, that people could really just pray for you
[30:17] Speaker 1: and God will, like talk take them off the docket.
[30:21] Speaker 1: What if no one for you?
[30:24] Speaker 3: No, I get that. I agree.
[30:25] Speaker 15: I can probably be weird to that or to that
[30:28] Speaker 15: kind of stance. And and even I tend to question
[30:33] Speaker 15: that sometimes I'm not saying. I mean, I'm not gonna
[30:39] Speaker 15: sit here, sit around and say everything that that's written
[30:43] Speaker 15: down is supposed to be answered with a definite answer
[30:46] Speaker 15: or makes sense.
[30:48] Speaker 3: I'm willing to do more research on that for sure.
[30:51] Speaker 3: But I.
[30:54] Speaker 15: What I do believe if we pray for those within
[30:57] Speaker 15: purgatory then and we intercede for them, I do believe
[31:03] Speaker 15: they are bound for Heaven. That's my belief. I can't
[31:08] Speaker 15: I'm not going to say it's written in the Bible.
[31:11] Speaker 15: I'm still reading it myself. It probably isn't, I don't.
[31:16] Speaker 15: I definitely know I don't think it is. But it's
[31:19] Speaker 15: just a belief I think within the within Catholicism.
[31:23] Speaker 1: Yeah, and there's a little bit of divergence, like within Catholicism.
[31:27] Speaker 1: So for example, like I've read the Catechism and I've read,
[31:32] Speaker 1: you know, the teachings of the Church, and it's pretty
[31:35] Speaker 1: clear that, you know, for those who know about Jesus
[31:38] Speaker 1: but reject Jesus as Messiah, that they do ultimately end
[31:42] Speaker 1: up in hell. But for example, I went to a
[31:46] Speaker 1: Catholic church in both high school and grade school that
[31:49] Speaker 1: taught that people who didn't believe in Jesus, if they were, like,
[31:52] Speaker 1: if they were good people, they could go to purgatory instead,
[31:55] Speaker 1: because you know, there might be you know, there might
[31:58] Speaker 1: be a reason why they didn't believe in Jesus. Maybe
[32:02] Speaker 1: they didn't hear the message right, or maybe they lived
[32:04] Speaker 1: at the wrong time period or something like that, but
[32:06] Speaker 1: that doesn't actually show up in the teachings of the church.
[32:09] Speaker 1: According to the teachings of a church, if you're not
[32:13] Speaker 1: specifically redeemed by Jesus, then you're going to helm. And
[32:19] Speaker 1: to me, this is a weird thing because, like, for example,
[32:21] Speaker 1: imagine that God loves humanity, and let's imagine that there's
[32:26] Speaker 1: a priest we're gonna call him, you know, father Joseph. Right,
[32:30] Speaker 1: this imagine Father Joseph and I live an almost identical life.
[32:35] Speaker 1: You know, we enjoy all the same things, you know,
[32:37] Speaker 1: we have similar behaviors and mannerisms. But he believes, obviously
[32:43] Speaker 1: in Jesus, and I don't believe in Jesus. Well, we
[32:46] Speaker 1: both actually get even though we lived the same life,
[32:50] Speaker 1: we get different outcomes, right, which means really the only
[32:54] Speaker 1: thing that matters is whether or not you believe in Jesus,
[32:57] Speaker 1: not whether or not you're a good person. And thank
[32:59] Speaker 1: you for the hatch, Christina. So like you can be
[33:02] Speaker 1: like a like a total asshole, and then as long
[33:05] Speaker 1: as you at some point, you know, believe in Jesus
[33:07] Speaker 1: and confess that he is Lord, then you can escape
[33:11] Speaker 1: the hell fire, which is kind of a weird thing
[33:14] Speaker 1: that God thinks that like normal people that just aren't
[33:18] Speaker 1: convinced should be tortured by fire.
[33:21] Speaker 15: Right, And you've been good points And like I said,
[33:24] Speaker 15: I'm I'm you've studied this a lot more than I have.
[33:27] Speaker 15: I went to Catholic high school too for three years,
[33:29] Speaker 15: transferred out of the public school system. Wasn't that's for
[33:33] Speaker 15: another topic.
[33:34] Speaker 1: Though I actually liked it. I'd like Catholic school.
[33:37] Speaker 15: I did too, and I made a lot of good
[33:40] Speaker 15: friends there, and I thought the community was a lot,
[33:43] Speaker 15: just a lot better than the public school system. But
[33:45] Speaker 15: you ever take I think it depends on area too,
[33:49] Speaker 15: And can you send me those catechism paragraphs where it
[33:52] Speaker 15: talks about purgatory. I'm, like I said, I'm I'm not
[33:56] Speaker 15: a master like you are. You've you've studied this much
[33:59] Speaker 15: longer than I. I know you were a Baptist preacher
[34:01] Speaker 15: at one point. If I'm not mistaken, I.
[34:03] Speaker 1: Was never really part of an official denomination, but yeah,
[34:06] Speaker 1: I was in ministry for a while. But I've got
[34:09] Speaker 1: I've got a document with some of the Catholic teachings
[34:11] Speaker 1: on this topic. If you send me anamble, there's an
[34:14] Speaker 1: email attashed to my YouTube channel. If you send me
[34:17] Speaker 1: an emo, there'll I'll send you animo back with the
[34:20] Speaker 1: what the church is got it?
[34:22] Speaker 3: Yeah, of course, because I have a Catechism too in
[34:24] Speaker 3: my Bible. I'm here at work.
[34:26] Speaker 15: Actually I just got off the clock, so not trying
[34:30] Speaker 15: to I don't have all my material with me, but
[34:33] Speaker 15: I think right now I'll also say, like I said earlier,
[34:37] Speaker 15: I'm still learning my faith. That's that's something I've I
[34:43] Speaker 15: think back in school, I was never really appreciative of
[34:45] Speaker 15: my faith.
[34:47] Speaker 3: Because I think.
[34:48] Speaker 15: As all of us kids, I don't think we were
[34:51] Speaker 15: not all of us would really want it to be
[34:52] Speaker 15: a church, you know. So I'm coming into a debate
[34:55] Speaker 15: that's definitely in your favor. But I can give you
[35:00] Speaker 15: some good topics that I that I had on this
[35:03] Speaker 15: from my belief and then if you have any questions
[35:07] Speaker 15: for me that I can't answer, I'll say I don't know,
[35:10] Speaker 15: and I can definitely.
[35:10] Speaker 3: Come back to you within the next stream.
[35:14] Speaker 13: Sure on the topic.
[35:15] Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I'd love to discuss some of the
[35:19] Speaker 1: you know that once you have read through some of
[35:21] Speaker 1: the doctrines, because I'd be curious if you actually believe
[35:25] Speaker 1: all of them, because not all Catholics do. In fact,
[35:27] Speaker 1: I had a really good friend of mine named Paul
[35:30] Speaker 1: who was a Catholic when we were younger, and we
[35:33] Speaker 1: were talking about some of the more difficult parts of
[35:36] Speaker 1: the Catholic teachings, and he went to his priest and
[35:38] Speaker 1: asked him, Hey, like, what do you think about this?
[35:41] Speaker 1: And then they got into a long conversation and he goes,
[35:44] Speaker 1: he goes, do you believe all of the teachings of
[35:46] Speaker 1: the Catholic Church, and his priests literally told him not
[35:50] Speaker 1: even the Pope believes every teaching at the Catholic Church.
[35:52] Speaker 3: And I think that's that's a good point.
[35:56] Speaker 15: I mean, I don't believe every single teaching, like I know,
[36:00] Speaker 15: I know what we have to follow the Pope's law
[36:02] Speaker 15: and whatever he says goes.
[36:05] Speaker 3: With the magistrum.
[36:06] Speaker 15: But I mean there can be things that you don't
[36:09] Speaker 15: have to agree on specifically, right, And that goes for anything.
[36:14] Speaker 15: It can go for politics, it can go for any denomination,
[36:17] Speaker 15: it can go for anything in life.
[36:19] Speaker 4: Right.
[36:21] Speaker 3: I think as long as.
[36:22] Speaker 15: We're I think as being, if we're all being good
[36:26] Speaker 15: moral human beings, I think that's that's a big thing
[36:32] Speaker 15: that we all.
[36:33] Speaker 3: That we should all be following.
[36:36] Speaker 4: Mm hm.
[36:40] Speaker 3: You have kids, I don't, I am a single pringle.
[36:44] Speaker 1: Would you ever torture one of your kids with fire
[36:47] Speaker 1: if they disobeyed you?
[36:49] Speaker 3: Of course?
[36:49] Speaker 13: Not?
[36:50] Speaker 1: No, right, I think you can kind of see what
[36:55] Speaker 1: what my angle is here, right, if God is a
[36:57] Speaker 1: good father. But you I don't actually know any children
[37:02] Speaker 1: or any parents that would torture their children here on
[37:04] Speaker 1: the earth. I'm sure there are some. It's weird to
[37:08] Speaker 1: me that we have this good, good Father. That's just
[37:11] Speaker 1: like willing to torture as children, especially when he doesn't
[37:14] Speaker 1: have to write, because heaven and hell is a false dichotomy, right,
[37:17] Speaker 1: like just hell does it actually have to exist?
[37:23] Speaker 15: And I'm assuming you're referencing or are we talking still
[37:26] Speaker 15: strictly about heaven and hell or are you also referring to,
[37:30] Speaker 15: like the previous conversation with torturing children in the Old Testament.
[37:36] Speaker 1: Oh no, no, I wasn't. That's not what I was
[37:38] Speaker 1: referring to. I mean, that does happen in the Bible.
[37:41] Speaker 1: God kills a bunch of babies, But that wasn't what
[37:43] Speaker 1: I was talking about just a second ago. I'm basically
[37:45] Speaker 1: just trying to figure out why, Like, if we're all
[37:48] Speaker 1: God's children, if all humanity or you know, God's creation,
[37:51] Speaker 1: God's children, why is it that he would you want
[37:55] Speaker 1: any of them to be tortured. It doesn't make sense
[37:57] Speaker 1: to me.
[37:59] Speaker 3: I don't think that's true.
[38:01] Speaker 15: I don't think God wants us to be tortured because
[38:04] Speaker 15: he also had to keep in mind, as Catholics, we
[38:05] Speaker 15: also believe in the devil, and I think the devil
[38:08] Speaker 15: plays a big part in a lot of things, like
[38:11] Speaker 15: he can control our thoughts and just as in many
[38:14] Speaker 15: ways God can, Like there are times I've been through
[38:20] Speaker 15: so I'm still at work, so there's still co workers around,
[38:22] Speaker 15: but there are times that I've gone through severe depression
[38:26] Speaker 15: and I have. And I know you you're more based
[38:30] Speaker 15: off biblical existence and can't really go based off of
[38:35] Speaker 15: personal experiences from your Friday's Live debate, But I think
[38:43] Speaker 15: over speaking faith based and personal experiences solely. I mean,
[38:48] Speaker 15: I've there are times I've been I've gone through through
[38:51] Speaker 15: rough stuff and I think that was the devil playing
[38:54] Speaker 15: a part of it and.
[38:58] Speaker 3: Turning me away. I think in a sense, but.
[39:01] Speaker 13: Why does God let the devil live?
[39:03] Speaker 1: Like, if the devil's doing all this horrible stuff to humanity,
[39:05] Speaker 1: why has God let him live?
[39:14] Speaker 3: I mean why not?
[39:16] Speaker 15: I know that's a contradictive question and answer, but I
[39:20] Speaker 15: think because he wants I firmly believe if God is
[39:26] Speaker 15: I think it's God calling us to know he wants
[39:29] Speaker 15: us to He's trying to show us his love or
[39:32] Speaker 15: that he loves us.
[39:34] Speaker 3: That's in if and he will bring us to eternity.
[39:39] Speaker 1: By making Satan and having Satan torture people. Yeah, do
[39:51] Speaker 1: you understand how contradictory that statement is, like if.
[39:53] Speaker 3: I I know, no, I know, I know it's contradictory.
[39:57] Speaker 3: I agree, but it I think, like, look in the
[40:01] Speaker 3: Old Testament. You have all the bad stuff that.
[40:04] Speaker 15: Happened to in Exodus and Deurotomy, all these books in
[40:07] Speaker 15: the Old Testament and with the tim plagues, but at
[40:11] Speaker 15: the end of each one there's he was trying to
[40:15] Speaker 15: teach them a lesson in some source, in some form,
[40:20] Speaker 15: being that hey, follow my laws, follow my rules, and
[40:25] Speaker 15: I'll show you to a path of fully trinity. And
[40:28] Speaker 15: I think that's that's what he's doing in today's world
[40:31] Speaker 15: with and with I think that's what the devil is
[40:33] Speaker 15: trying to do. He's trying to bring us down into
[40:38] Speaker 15: this path of darkness, this pack of path of evil.
[40:40] Speaker 15: And I know God created evil, but I think he's
[40:43] Speaker 15: trying to get us to show, or to see for
[40:46] Speaker 15: that matter, his loving side and bring us back to him.
[40:51] Speaker 1: Does God want Satan to do what Satan's doing?
[40:55] Speaker 3: I don't think so.
[40:56] Speaker 1: So Satan's doing something that God does not want him
[40:58] Speaker 1: to do, right, So then why does he let him move?
[41:08] Speaker 1: I don't know, right, because it just makes sense.
[41:13] Speaker 15: That's a legitimate question, and I think Catholics and Christians
[41:17] Speaker 15: alike as probably asked that same thing. Right, I know,
[41:21] Speaker 15: I definitely do, but it's something I've kind of learned
[41:24] Speaker 15: to accept, but I still question it, like I still
[41:26] Speaker 15: search it or research it.
[41:28] Speaker 1: Yeah, it's kind of an important question to answer because
[41:32] Speaker 1: if Satan's not actually necessary, like if he's not doing
[41:35] Speaker 1: something that God wants him to do, but God lets
[41:38] Speaker 1: him go around doing what he's doing, then it sounds
[41:42] Speaker 1: to me like God's kind of the problem, especially because
[41:44] Speaker 1: remember the angels that came down in sin by sleeping
[41:46] Speaker 1: with the women, and then both Jude and two Peter
[41:49] Speaker 1: said that, you know they're bound up in chains and
[41:52] Speaker 1: you know, waiting judgment. Well, why wouldn't God do that
[41:54] Speaker 1: with Satan? If Satan's you know, as rotten as these
[41:57] Speaker 1: other angels, he should have bound Satan up in chains
[41:59] Speaker 1: and held home for the judgment too.
[42:02] Speaker 3: Right.
[42:02] Speaker 15: No, and I you make good points. I don't have
[42:06] Speaker 15: a definite answer for that. So that's definitely something to
[42:11] Speaker 15: think about. But no, I get that.
[42:15] Speaker 3: I don't know.
[42:17] Speaker 1: Well, listen, Austin, I threw a lot at you, and
[42:19] Speaker 1: I know you're you're at work, so I don't.
[42:21] Speaker 3: I'm off the clock. No, no, no, I'm off the clock.
[42:23] Speaker 15: So I'm I'm I can talk as long as you're okay,
[42:26] Speaker 15: how much, however long you're okay with it. I know
[42:28] Speaker 15: I don't have any good debating points or topics for you,
[42:32] Speaker 15: but trying to be a little bit more civilized. And
[42:34] Speaker 15: I feel like I'm Melissa a bit more cultured than
[42:36] Speaker 15: your past guests.
[42:38] Speaker 3: Hopefully, No you are.
[42:39] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[42:40] Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm used to getting people in here that are
[42:42] Speaker 1: ready to you know, throw things in the room.
[42:45] Speaker 15: Yeah, because I'm I've I've heard a bunch of debates,
[42:48] Speaker 15: and I know, like from the Protestant standpoints, because there's
[42:52] Speaker 15: something you were once Protestant, you never said you were
[42:54] Speaker 15: actually Catholic, but I know it's more there, more belief
[42:59] Speaker 15: is so the script tore. So that's not something I
[43:02] Speaker 15: personally like to argue strictly, like just throwing Bible verses.
[43:05] Speaker 3: We could do that all day, but that's not going
[43:08] Speaker 3: to get anywhere.
[43:10] Speaker 1: Sure, right, But it sounds to me like you're not
[43:13] Speaker 1: really familiar with a lot like some of the church
[43:15] Speaker 1: teachings that we need to discuss. So it might be
[43:17] Speaker 1: helpful to do some offline research and then we can
[43:20] Speaker 1: do this again in the future.
[43:22] Speaker 15: Oh yeah, of course, I'm I'm like I said, I've
[43:24] Speaker 15: been doing research like I've I think it was thing
[43:28] Speaker 15: has been for five years now or so. I'm I'm
[43:31] Speaker 15: still researching and to this day, like I finally, I'm
[43:34] Speaker 15: finally appreciating them everything.
[43:36] Speaker 3: So it's like I said, when I think when.
[43:39] Speaker 15: We were kids, we just didn't really appreciate everything that
[43:41] Speaker 15: we were going through. And now that I'm older, it's like, Okay,
[43:44] Speaker 15: let me learn more about this, let me appreciate it more.
[43:46] Speaker 1: What do you mean, appreciate that things we're going through?
[43:50] Speaker 3: Sorry, bad choice of words. I didn't appreciate church as
[43:54] Speaker 3: a kid.
[43:54] Speaker 1: Okay, we just didn't want to be there as a kid,
[43:58] Speaker 1: I would say, bad choice words. Yeah, the old I get,
[44:00] Speaker 1: the more I can appreciate church service that's more Catholic
[44:05] Speaker 1: in nature, very calm, very relaxing, rather than these churches
[44:10] Speaker 1: jumping around. I know some like young people need that
[44:12] Speaker 1: kind of thing, but I'm too old for that now.
[44:14] Speaker 15: Oh yeah, Like I helped the church in Fort Worth
[44:18] Speaker 15: here in Texas and great people, don't get me wrong,
[44:22] Speaker 15: but just the worship style.
[44:24] Speaker 3: Oh my gosh it was.
[44:24] Speaker 15: It was one of those megachurches and I'm just like
[44:28] Speaker 15: they were throwing banners around.
[44:30] Speaker 3: I'm like, this is just a little bit too much
[44:33] Speaker 3: out of my comfort zone.
[44:34] Speaker 1: Yeah, I know you're talking about Yeah, all right, listen Austin,
[44:36] Speaker 1: it was great talk to you. I'm gonna try to
[44:38] Speaker 1: keep the debate rolling, Okay. Yeah, Likewione tears, big W
[44:44] Speaker 1: for Austin. He was plight the last time we talked.
[44:46] Speaker 1: He sounds like a really good guy. Actually, Dexter, thank
[44:49] Speaker 1: you for sending out five Deconstruction Zone memberships, Big W. Dexter,
[44:54] Speaker 1: I really appreciate that. And Parker, thank you so much
[44:57] Speaker 1: for the hat on TikTok. I appreciate that. And also
[45:00] Speaker 1: Carla gifting out five deconstructions On memberships. Thank you so much, Carl,
[45:04] Speaker 1: It's generous. And Ramsey, thank you so much for the
[45:08] Speaker 1: six sixty six. As God is a snot nosed kid
[45:11] Speaker 1: with a magnifying glass on a sunny day, and the
[45:14] Speaker 1: believers are the ants all hill dog, you nailed it.
[45:17] Speaker 1: He absolutely nailed it. They're like we're like little playthings.
[45:22] Speaker 1: We're like nothing to God. He'll just torture and kill
[45:25] Speaker 1: as many of us as he wants to floods? Who
[45:28] Speaker 1: cares invading armies?
[45:29] Speaker 6: Ah?
[45:30] Speaker 1: Who cares sickness, famine, disease, pestilence? Send it actme hero,
[45:35] Speaker 1: thank you for the five dollar superjet, says opinion on
[45:38] Speaker 1: liberal Christians, Unitarians are fifty percent eighteist humanists, and even
[45:42] Speaker 1: that was toxic in my experience. Listen, I here's my
[45:47] Speaker 1: opinion because I did the liberal Christianity for a very
[45:52] Speaker 1: short period of time. And the problem you have with
[45:54] Speaker 1: liberal Christianity is that they get to a point where
[45:57] Speaker 1: they realize the Bible is a horror show, and so
[46:00] Speaker 1: they want to start softening parts of the Bible or
[46:03] Speaker 1: saying the Bible says things that it doesn't actually say,
[46:07] Speaker 1: or you know, they're trying to take the hard parts
[46:09] Speaker 1: of the Bible and find a way to say that
[46:11] Speaker 1: the words don't mean what they mean. So that's my
[46:14] Speaker 1: biggest scripe with liberal Christianity is they're not really true
[46:17] Speaker 1: to the text. But if that's the case, but if
[46:21] Speaker 1: you're willing to start saying, well, you know, I don't
[46:24] Speaker 1: need to be true to the text because the text
[46:28] Speaker 1: isn't like the highest authority, well then okay, so why
[46:30] Speaker 1: should I believe it's in the Bible. If you don't
[46:32] Speaker 1: believe it, then why should I believe it? Jonathan, thank
[46:36] Speaker 1: you so much for the five dollar supertest. It says
[46:37] Speaker 1: suggestion for a future topic. Trump has created millions of atheists,
[46:41] Speaker 1: proved me wrong. That'd be an interesting one. We could
[46:44] Speaker 1: also just say that the Republican Party has created lots
[46:48] Speaker 1: of atheists as well. Actually knew quite a few Christians,
[46:51] Speaker 1: and it surprised me because I knew a lot of
[46:54] Speaker 1: Christians that became disenchanted with Christianity once they saw how
[46:59] Speaker 1: the Christians really clung on to right wing, you know,
[47:04] Speaker 1: ideological nonsense like Donald Trump. So I get that. I
[47:10] Speaker 1: don't know if politics would cause me to lose faith
[47:12] Speaker 1: in a religion, but I get why it does for
[47:14] Speaker 1: some people. One, two three, Thank you for the two
[47:17] Speaker 1: dollars super chest. It says inspiring philosophies. Philosophy says First
[47:20] Speaker 1: Samuel fifteen and other massacres hyperbole. Yeah, he's saying it's
[47:24] Speaker 1: higiographic hyperbole. And he's a liar. He has no idea
[47:28] Speaker 1: what the scholarship he's quoting from. He's just quote mining
[47:32] Speaker 1: what some people say about you. Know the Harem passages
[47:37] Speaker 1: of the Old Testament, and if he actually believed what
[47:41] Speaker 1: those scholars believed, he wouldn't believe in the Bible. But
[47:45] Speaker 1: that being said, he's misapplying it. He has no idea
[47:47] Speaker 1: what he's talking about. Don't listen to him. Keep in mind,
[47:51] Speaker 1: aspiring philosophy is not credentialed. He has no education or
[47:55] Speaker 1: background in biblical studies. All he does is know how
[47:58] Speaker 1: to quote mind scholars for things that he likes. Carrie,
[48:02] Speaker 1: thank you so much for the five dollars, Supertest says,
[48:03] Speaker 1: thanks for being patient with my questions. I left religion
[48:06] Speaker 1: thirty plus years ago. Pastors never cover these things only
[48:10] Speaker 1: and only teaching nice parts. But I'm learning carry That
[48:12] Speaker 1: is what happens because as a pastor, your goal is
[48:15] Speaker 1: to keep people in the church. So what you can't
[48:18] Speaker 1: do is teach on the difficult parts of the Bible,
[48:21] Speaker 1: and then you just pray that your flock doesn't like
[48:24] Speaker 1: read them. It's and it's nerve wracking when they do.
[48:27] Speaker 1: When they do find the passages, like, oh shit, what
[48:29] Speaker 1: do I do now? Benk you thank you for the dollar.
[48:33] Speaker 1: Supertest says, it's wild because I was raised Catholic, but
[48:35] Speaker 1: I never heard of purgatory until after I left, and
[48:38] Speaker 1: apparently it's a pretty important distinction. It actually is. And
[48:41] Speaker 1: here's the thing, because the Catechism doesn't address it very much.
[48:47] Speaker 1: In fact, most of the teachings on purgatory show up
[48:52] Speaker 1: outside of the Catechism. So you'll you'll find it in
[48:58] Speaker 1: like some of the differences from the popes talk about it,
[49:02] Speaker 1: and you also find it in what the hell do
[49:05] Speaker 1: the Magisterium. The Magisterium talks about it, but it doesn't
[49:10] Speaker 1: play a prominent role within the actual Catechism itself, but
[49:14] Speaker 1: it is there.
[49:15] Speaker 4: It is there.
[49:17] Speaker 1: Either way. Yeah, it's important. But listen, purgatory in Catholicism
[49:22] Speaker 1: kind of softens the blow of hell a little bit,
[49:24] Speaker 1: so I can see why they like it. And Pat, Pat,
[49:27] Speaker 1: thank you for the five docar Perchet says, Stockholm syndrome
[49:29] Speaker 1: is so fitting for the Bible. And I never put
[49:32] Speaker 1: much thought into being a captive and how that plays
[49:34] Speaker 1: into psychology, this bs belief. So I didn't either for
[49:38] Speaker 1: a long time, because Hell wasn't a huge part of
[49:41] Speaker 1: my conversion process, but for a lot of people it was.
[49:44] Speaker 1: I had a very good friend, we were in ministries together,
[49:47] Speaker 1: I remember she wrote a book once called I Think
[49:49] Speaker 1: it was the one thing you can't do in Heaven.
[49:51] Speaker 1: I think it's the name of the book, and the
[49:53] Speaker 1: premise of the book was like, the one thing that
[49:55] Speaker 1: you can't do in heaven is witness to lost people
[49:58] Speaker 1: starty too late. She was motivated to witness to everybody
[50:02] Speaker 1: to make sure they didn't end up in hell. And
[50:04] Speaker 1: I remember at the time thinking, Ah, I don't know,
[50:08] Speaker 1: it's hard to believe a good God. It's just gonna
[50:11] Speaker 1: send people to hell because they didn't know any better.
[50:13] Speaker 1: It's a really weird one. Our last superchat, we'll get
[50:17] Speaker 1: our next guest in here. Thank you so much, Tommy
[50:19] Speaker 1: Boy for the twenty dollars super chat. I really appreciate that.
[50:21] Speaker 1: That's very generous. And he says, sounds like a load
[50:24] Speaker 1: of mallarchy. Yeah, it is a load of monarchy. And
[50:29] Speaker 1: he says, keep up the awesome work. And my name
[50:32] Speaker 1: is Justin, but you can call me Jason. I don't care. Also,
[50:35] Speaker 1: did God want the Spanish Inquisition to happen? That's a
[50:38] Speaker 1: great question, because the Catholic Church did a lot of shit.
[50:41] Speaker 1: They did a lot of stuff, my man, they did
[50:44] Speaker 1: some horrific things, and it's hard for me to believe
[50:49] Speaker 1: that God is working through the Catholic Church when people
[50:52] Speaker 1: like some of the popes were okay with slavery, some
[50:55] Speaker 1: of the popes were okay with what was happening to
[50:57] Speaker 1: the Jewish people for many hundreds of years. The pope's
[51:01] Speaker 1: okay with burning witches is a Listen. I cannot believe
[51:06] Speaker 1: that God is speaking through these people when they're willing
[51:10] Speaker 1: to treat human beings that way. Service not connecting. Sorry,
[51:15] Speaker 1: serv We'll move on to the next one. If you
[51:17] Speaker 1: get some reception, come on back and we'll keep on
[51:21] Speaker 1: doing thing. Let me grab I'm going to try a
[51:23] Speaker 1: Manuel again, see if their audio is working this time?
[51:25] Speaker 1: And Manuel, how you doing your audio working this time?
[51:30] Speaker 6: No?
[51:30] Speaker 1: Not so much? All right, sorry, Manuel, gotta move on.
[51:35] Speaker 1: All right, We're we'll keep rolling here. How you doing,
[51:37] Speaker 1: Mike wilcome in?
[51:41] Speaker 13: Hey you hear me?
[51:42] Speaker 4: Yeah?
[51:42] Speaker 1: I can hear it. Yeah, Yeah, We're good to go.
[51:44] Speaker 1: How you doing, Mike.
[51:46] Speaker 4: Doing all right?
[51:48] Speaker 3: Mike?
[51:48] Speaker 1: Are you at least eighteen and are you a believer?
[51:52] Speaker 5: Yes, I'm over eighteen.
[51:53] Speaker 16: I am an ex fundamentalist Christian.
[51:56] Speaker 1: Cool, Okay, so you're a believer. But you're no longer
[51:58] Speaker 1: a fundamentalist.
[52:00] Speaker 16: Oh sorry, sorry, now I'm an atheist. I was a
[52:02] Speaker 16: fundamentalist for a long time.
[52:04] Speaker 1: Oh fuck yeah. All right. Well, while while I got
[52:08] Speaker 1: you up here, did you believe in hell when you
[52:10] Speaker 1: were a Christian?
[52:12] Speaker 13: Oh?
[52:12] Speaker 4: Yes?
[52:13] Speaker 1: Did you believe that, like if you if you committed
[52:19] Speaker 1: the wrong sin, you can end up there still even
[52:21] Speaker 1: though you're a Christian.
[52:24] Speaker 13: Not really, that was not that was not part of
[52:27] Speaker 13: what I was taught.
[52:28] Speaker 1: Okay, I was just curious about that.
[52:30] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[52:30] Speaker 1: I had a couple of friends that believe that when
[52:32] Speaker 1: they were in the faith, and hell Hell was a
[52:34] Speaker 1: big part of keeping them in the faith because that
[52:36] Speaker 1: they were actively deconstructing. But they're like, ah, shit, I
[52:39] Speaker 1: don't I want to go to Hell.
[52:43] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[52:43] Speaker 16: I did have a period near the end of my
[52:45] Speaker 16: deconstruction where I was still convinced that the God and
[52:49] Speaker 16: the Hell and everything was real and pretty sure I
[52:52] Speaker 16: was going there. But I just I had moral problems
[52:55] Speaker 16: with the whole thing that I couldn't get past.
[52:58] Speaker 1: Yeah, I get that. Well, listen, Mike, thanks for coming up.
[53:01] Speaker 1: We gotta move on. Try to get a Christian in
[53:03] Speaker 1: the box so we can get a debate going, but
[53:06] Speaker 1: I appreciate you coming up in big w for deconverting.
[53:10] Speaker 16: Gotcha all right? I actually I had one question for you,
[53:12] Speaker 16: if that's all right before I go sure.
[53:14] Speaker 13: I was just wondering if you could.
[53:15] Speaker 16: Put me in the direction of somewhere to learn a
[53:19] Speaker 16: little bit more about Hebrew gamatria. I'm fascinated by the
[53:24] Speaker 16: the revelation thing that you've talked about stream a bunch
[53:26] Speaker 16: of times. I wanted to learn more about that.
[53:28] Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what, I hate to do it because
[53:32] Speaker 1: they're crazy people listening to this. But okay, so you
[53:39] Speaker 1: can go to Hebrew for Christians dot com. That's a
[53:43] Speaker 1: pretty tame website that will teach you the standard Hebrew
[53:46] Speaker 1: gamatra without any of the fluff and any of the
[53:50] Speaker 1: nonsensical stuff from the Cabbalistic texts. That being said, there's
[53:56] Speaker 1: a bunch of numerology and gamatria and different things like
[54:00] Speaker 1: that that you can find in the Cabbalistic text. But
[54:03] Speaker 1: to me, like the Cablistic text came many hundreds of
[54:06] Speaker 1: years after the Bible, and it's clearly people that are
[54:09] Speaker 1: just like adding their own mystical stuff to it. But
[54:12] Speaker 1: I would go to Hebrew Forchristians dot Com. They've got
[54:15] Speaker 1: a pretty good write up on Hebrew of Montrea. Also,
[54:19] Speaker 1: I appreciate that sure thing good hear from Mike. All right,
[54:23] Speaker 1: thanks for taking my call, Ashote cheers. All right. Let
[54:27] Speaker 1: me got a couple of super chats guys, and we'll
[54:29] Speaker 1: get the next guest. We've got two people waiting on
[54:32] Speaker 1: TikTok and three people waiting on YouTube. We're going to
[54:34] Speaker 1: try to get to everybody as usual. Evan, thank you
[54:37] Speaker 1: for the five dollar super chest. It says God sent
[54:39] Speaker 1: himself to earth or sacrifice himself to himself to appease
[54:42] Speaker 1: himself and win the game he invented by himself. It's crazy.
[54:49] Speaker 1: It is crazy that God made all of the rules,
[54:53] Speaker 1: he designed the game, he knew they would fail, and
[54:56] Speaker 1: then in order in order to fix the problem that
[54:59] Speaker 1: he can created, It's like, got shit, Now I got
[55:01] Speaker 1: to sacrifice myself to myself. It's crazy. It's like if
[55:05] Speaker 1: you owe yourself ten dollars, why if you owe yourself
[55:09] Speaker 1: ten dollars, what you don't have to pay yourself? Guy,
[55:13] Speaker 1: that's how that works. That's the craziest thing. Mike t
[55:19] Speaker 1: thank you so much for the love pain. I appreciate that. Terry,
[55:22] Speaker 1: thank you for the two dollars. To Perches says, My
[55:24] Speaker 1: deconstruction was first communion Cannibals. Oh damn. That's a good point. Yeah,
[55:29] Speaker 1: because first community you learn about transubstantiation, and that's crazy
[55:34] Speaker 1: that they literally believe that the bread turns into the body.
[55:40] Speaker 1: Texas Panhandler, thank you for the five dollars, super Chet,
[55:42] Speaker 1: says Hell Doug. For anyone not in the Discord community yet,
[55:46] Speaker 1: you're missing out great folks and creators supporting each other.
[55:49] Speaker 1: You're right to get into the Discord guys. It's in
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[55:57] Speaker 7: Guys.
[55:58] Speaker 1: It's awesome. We just crushed our two thousand membership goal.
[56:03] Speaker 1: Doctor Joe, thank you so much for the love paint.
[56:05] Speaker 1: Good to see you, Doctor Joe. Guys, make sure you're
[56:07] Speaker 1: dropping Doctor Joe a follow. She's amazing. And mister mister,
[56:11] Speaker 1: thank you for the five dollar super Chest says How
[56:13] Speaker 1: did Noah pack on millions and millions of pounds of
[56:16] Speaker 1: food and water without his animal yacht sinking? It's crazy
[56:20] Speaker 1: to me, And they never even did talk about the
[56:24] Speaker 1: water reclamation system. How were they utilizing the rainfall to
[56:29] Speaker 1: give water to all the animals? And what in the
[56:32] Speaker 1: world were they feeding all these animals? How are they
[56:37] Speaker 1: feeding like bamboo to the pandas, or the or eucalyptus
[56:43] Speaker 1: leaves to the koalas, very specific diets that are regionally specific.
[56:48] Speaker 1: It's crazy. I know the answer. It was a miracle,
[56:52] Speaker 1: Always a miracle. Uh, Michael, thank you so much for
[56:56] Speaker 1: the two dollars, super Chet says ten year ex vangelical,
[56:58] Speaker 1: appreciate your channel. Thank you and congratulations on your ten
[57:03] Speaker 1: year chip. And last one, Terry again, thank you so
[57:07] Speaker 1: much for the ten hour. Super Chest says, it took
[57:08] Speaker 1: thirty five years to escape my Catholic captors. However, after
[57:12] Speaker 1: a further fifteen years of talking to my seventy seven
[57:15] Speaker 1: year old mother now rejects the teachings of the church.
[57:18] Speaker 1: Thank you for your insights on the way well, Thank
[57:20] Speaker 1: you so much, Terry for Sharon, and thank you for
[57:23] Speaker 1: the super chat and big w for working with your
[57:27] Speaker 1: mom on deconstruction. That's hard parent, Listen, I don't think
[57:32] Speaker 1: that the Bible says a lot of things that are
[57:34] Speaker 1: super true, but the Bible does say something interesting Jesus
[57:37] Speaker 1: says that no prophet is honored in his hometown. And
[57:41] Speaker 1: there's justly this thing where the people who are closest
[57:43] Speaker 1: to you, your family members, the ones that know you
[57:45] Speaker 1: the best, those are the ones that aren't going to
[57:47] Speaker 1: take you seriously. And so being able to deconstruct your
[57:51] Speaker 1: own mother, especially at that age, is a huge win.
[57:54] Speaker 1: That's hard to do. We're going to try to get
[57:56] Speaker 1: Imagine in the guest box. The TikTok streams a little
[57:59] Speaker 1: bit slow today, don't particularly know why, but we're going
[58:05] Speaker 1: to try to get them loaded up. We've got a
[58:07] Speaker 1: Joel raid. Big w Joel, thank you so much for
[58:09] Speaker 1: the raid. I appreciate that, buddy. So Imagine is not connecting,
[58:16] Speaker 1: so we'll just we're going to keep on moving. Imagine,
[58:20] Speaker 1: come on back if you get a better connection. Welcome in, James.
[58:26] Speaker 6: Is it.
[58:28] Speaker 1: How you doing? James are at least eighteen? And are
[58:31] Speaker 1: you a believer?
[58:31] Speaker 13: Yeah?
[58:32] Speaker 4: Yes?
[58:33] Speaker 2: Cool?
[58:34] Speaker 1: And why does God torture people?
[58:42] Speaker 17: He doesn't torture room. They tortured themselves.
[58:45] Speaker 1: So the hell is is not torture.
[58:50] Speaker 17: When you bring when you bring something on yourself, that's people.
[58:54] Speaker 1: Oh did I create help?
[58:56] Speaker 17: You didn't hear the devil created Hell.
[59:04] Speaker 1: Oh shit, you're making it worse. Why God let the
[59:06] Speaker 1: devil do that?
[59:09] Speaker 17: He put him in charge of Earth?
[59:11] Speaker 1: Well, it sounds like he's a terrible manager. Why would
[59:13] Speaker 1: we put the devil in charge of this thing? That
[59:16] Speaker 1: dude's a jackass.
[59:18] Speaker 17: I mean, if you want call him that.
[59:23] Speaker 1: I mean, on second, James, listen, John Mitchell in the
[59:27] Speaker 1: TikTok q. I see you shouting for the last five minutes.
[59:31] Speaker 1: If you want to debate, all you have to do
[59:33] Speaker 1: is hit the request button. You don't have to shout
[59:35] Speaker 1: from the comments. Just hit the request button. You'll be
[59:37] Speaker 1: in line with everybody else quick crashing out of my comments.
[59:41] Speaker 1: If he keeps spamming, I'll just have to mute you,
[59:44] Speaker 1: all right, go ahead, James. I'm really sorry about that.
[59:46] Speaker 1: We get some crazy people in here that don't even
[59:48] Speaker 1: know how the app works.
[59:50] Speaker 17: That's all good.
[59:52] Speaker 1: So the question is, I didn't create Hell? Did Satan
[59:56] Speaker 1: create Hell?
[1:00:01] Speaker 17: I think so.
[1:00:04] Speaker 1: So Satan? So Satan you had the idea of Hell.
[1:00:09] Speaker 1: Did God know Satan was going to create Hell?
[1:00:13] Speaker 4: I don't.
[1:00:14] Speaker 17: I don't know.
[1:00:15] Speaker 14: I really can't answer that. All I can know is
[1:00:17] Speaker 14: that I know that there's a real God and there's
[1:00:20] Speaker 14: a real Jesus.
[1:00:21] Speaker 1: So I mean, listen here, there's some really interesting questions. Okay,
[1:00:24] Speaker 1: So in your worldview, God created Satan and then Satan
[1:00:29] Speaker 1: created Hell, and then God was like, oh shit, I
[1:00:32] Speaker 1: kind of like that hell places. I'm gonna start sending
[1:00:34] Speaker 1: people there.
[1:00:34] Speaker 13: Why would he do that.
[1:00:38] Speaker 17: Because he gave every everybody free will?
[1:00:42] Speaker 18: No, no, no.
[1:00:42] Speaker 1: If Satan created Hell, why is God sending people.
[1:00:45] Speaker 17: There because they want good enough to reach Heaven?
[1:00:51] Speaker 1: But Satan created Hell in your worldview, not God. Why
[1:00:55] Speaker 1: would God send people to the place that Satan created?
[1:01:01] Speaker 17: I don't know. That's a good question.
[1:01:06] Speaker 1: Furthermore, why would why would God create Satan knowing he's
[1:01:09] Speaker 1: going to create Hell? If God didn't want Hell? Does
[1:01:11] Speaker 1: God want Hell to be around?
[1:01:14] Speaker 17: I mean he must he must have if he created Satan.
[1:01:20] Speaker 1: Okay, so God does he want He.
[1:01:23] Speaker 17: Created good and evil?
[1:01:24] Speaker 19: You know?
[1:01:25] Speaker 17: Okay, it says, but you know you.
[1:01:27] Speaker 1: Know that God created Hell. God created Hell, right, you've
[1:01:30] Speaker 1: read the Bible, I think even a little bit, right.
[1:01:33] Speaker 14: But I mean, if he created the devil, then obviously
[1:01:40] Speaker 14: then he created Hell.
[1:01:42] Speaker 1: I agree, But it seems from the Bible that God
[1:01:46] Speaker 1: created all things right, He created light in the darkness,
[1:01:49] Speaker 1: He created the good, he created evil and everything in
[1:01:51] Speaker 1: between rights.
[1:01:52] Speaker 17: But I mean give us free will to choose either
[1:01:57] Speaker 17: good or evil.
[1:02:00] Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, but we're talking about hell, like whether you're
[1:02:03] Speaker 1: doing good or evil is you know, we're not quite
[1:02:06] Speaker 1: at that point yet. My question is why did God
[1:02:08] Speaker 1: create hell in the first place, or why did God
[1:02:10] Speaker 1: allow hell to be created?
[1:02:18] Speaker 14: Because when when they was in Adam and Eve was
[1:02:23] Speaker 14: in the garden and they were supposed to be praying
[1:02:28] Speaker 14: and stuff, and they lost their faith in God and
[1:02:33] Speaker 14: stop reading, stop reading.
[1:02:34] Speaker 1: The Bible, and he stopped reading the Bible or you.
[1:02:39] Speaker 14: Know, stop praying and stuff I believe, and started eating
[1:02:43] Speaker 14: things they weren't supposed to be eating.
[1:02:46] Speaker 1: Well, how would they know. They didn't know right from
[1:02:48] Speaker 1: wrong yet he told them.
[1:02:52] Speaker 17: You guys can have all this, but don't need a
[1:02:55] Speaker 17: don't need the Tree of Knowledge.
[1:02:59] Speaker 1: Yeah, but they didn't know that disobedience was wrong.
[1:03:03] Speaker 17: No, they didn't know it was wrong until they did it.
[1:03:05] Speaker 1: But why did they get punished for something they didn't
[1:03:07] Speaker 1: even know was wrong.
[1:03:10] Speaker 17: He didn't just punish him, He punished all of us.
[1:03:13] Speaker 1: I know you're making this God sound worse and worse.
[1:03:17] Speaker 14: I mean, that's why he give us free will, right,
[1:03:22] Speaker 14: He's not that bad of a god.
[1:03:24] Speaker 1: Well he is, because if you don't do exactly what
[1:03:26] Speaker 1: he wants, he'll punish you and all of humanity. It
[1:03:28] Speaker 1: sounds like he just wants robots.
[1:03:32] Speaker 17: But that's the choice that he gives you.
[1:03:35] Speaker 1: So that's literally the definition of Stockholm syndrome. Why does
[1:03:39] Speaker 1: he need to torture people if they don't, if they
[1:03:41] Speaker 1: don't obey him perfectly?
[1:03:43] Speaker 14: I've thought the same things, but you know, I'd rather
[1:03:48] Speaker 14: not go around murdering people and choose to do good things,
[1:03:52] Speaker 14: then go around.
[1:03:54] Speaker 17: Doing bad things.
[1:03:55] Speaker 1: We're not talking about murdering people. We're just talking about
[1:03:58] Speaker 1: why God sends people to hell for even the most
[1:04:01] Speaker 1: minor infractions. Like if I only commit one sin in
[1:04:04] Speaker 1: my life and I don't believe in Jesus, am I
[1:04:06] Speaker 1: going to hell?
[1:04:10] Speaker 7: Ah?
[1:04:12] Speaker 17: I don't think so, But.
[1:04:14] Speaker 14: The Bible says so, well, if you believe God in God,
[1:04:19] Speaker 14: you don't have to believe in Jesus.
[1:04:21] Speaker 1: But I don't believe in God or Jesus.
[1:04:26] Speaker 17: You might not. You're not, and you've only done one sin,
[1:04:29] Speaker 17: you might not. You might go to purgatory or something.
[1:04:32] Speaker 4: Oh shit, not hell, I can.
[1:04:35] Speaker 1: I can handle purgatory. I go to purgatory.
[1:04:39] Speaker 14: Because I do believe in purgatory, because you know, there
[1:04:44] Speaker 14: there is a lesser hell mm hmm.
[1:04:49] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[1:04:49] Speaker 1: Are you Catholic?
[1:04:51] Speaker 17: No Baptism?
[1:04:57] Speaker 1: Do you know the phrase Abraham's bosom? Yeah, it's similar.
[1:05:04] Speaker 1: The non Catholics that believe in purgatory usually refer to
[1:05:07] Speaker 1: it as Abraham's bosom. It's the weird phrase, but it's
[1:05:11] Speaker 1: what it was, Okay. So the fact of the matter is,
[1:05:13] Speaker 1: according to the Bible, though, Revelation twenty one says that
[1:05:17] Speaker 1: those who don't believe will be going through the Lake
[1:05:20] Speaker 1: of fire. And I would count myself in the classification
[1:05:23] Speaker 1: of those who don't believe. So, as far as I
[1:05:27] Speaker 1: can tell, I'm going to be going to the hell
[1:05:29] Speaker 1: fire according to the Bible. But why why is not
[1:05:32] Speaker 1: believing something mean that you need to be sent to
[1:05:35] Speaker 1: hell fire?
[1:05:40] Speaker 17: Yeah, that's a good question.
[1:05:42] Speaker 14: I mean because like you said, well, if you're good
[1:05:44] Speaker 14: your whole life and do no wrong, not even committ
[1:05:47] Speaker 14: us him except.
[1:05:48] Speaker 17: For not believe, right, we'll still go to hell.
[1:05:52] Speaker 14: And you know, and he's supposed to be an all
[1:05:55] Speaker 14: loving God. No, And I've even asked him myself, like
[1:06:00] Speaker 14: why do you send these people to hell?
[1:06:05] Speaker 4: Right?
[1:06:08] Speaker 1: These are good questions, James, and I think they deserve answers,
[1:06:11] Speaker 1: because it's weird to me that God would send so
[1:06:15] Speaker 1: many people to hell so willingly. In fact, Jesus says
[1:06:17] Speaker 1: that the you know, the road to hell is very
[1:06:20] Speaker 1: wide and the path of heaven is very narrow. Why
[1:06:26] Speaker 1: is it that most people ever created will end up
[1:06:28] Speaker 1: in hell when the Bible says that it was God's
[1:06:30] Speaker 1: desires that none would perish?
[1:06:38] Speaker 17: I always wondered at myself.
[1:06:43] Speaker 14: Yeah, I always thought that maybe that we was given
[1:06:48] Speaker 14: a false doctrine by the.
[1:06:54] Speaker 17: What do you call it? Call them people?
[1:06:57] Speaker 11: Not the.
[1:07:00] Speaker 17: Uh Christos? What's that got? A guy that's supposed to
[1:07:06] Speaker 17: be named after Jesus or whatever? I have the same
[1:07:10] Speaker 17: name as.
[1:07:12] Speaker 1: Like the Antichrist.
[1:07:14] Speaker 17: No, it's another not religion, but.
[1:07:22] Speaker 1: Like Catholicism, yeah, something like that.
[1:07:26] Speaker 14: But and like we was like like, uh, we was
[1:07:31] Speaker 14: tricked and they put another because God says in in
[1:07:36] Speaker 14: the the Old Testament that he won't share his glory
[1:07:40] Speaker 14: with nobody else, right, and there is no other God
[1:07:43] Speaker 14: but him? And then and then all of a sudden,
[1:07:47] Speaker 14: we got the New Testament and it contradicts the Old Testament.
[1:07:54] Speaker 17: It does, okay, because I've even asked my pastor about that.
[1:08:00] Speaker 14: Like Jesus says to glorify him and then God says
[1:08:08] Speaker 14: to not to glorify nobody but him. Where are we
[1:08:11] Speaker 14: glorifying Jesus?
[1:08:12] Speaker 2: Yep?
[1:08:13] Speaker 17: Have we been tricked?
[1:08:15] Speaker 1: Is he nailed it? Jesus is a violation of the
[1:08:19] Speaker 1: prophecy from Deuteronomy thirteen. He's definitely a false prophet if
[1:08:23] Speaker 1: he's anything.
[1:08:25] Speaker 17: But then I started praying out loud.
[1:08:27] Speaker 14: There was a fight that broke out, and I started
[1:08:29] Speaker 14: praying out loud, and I watched demons flee at the
[1:08:31] Speaker 14: name of Jesus. Watch them flee out of people, and
[1:08:36] Speaker 14: they stopped fighting and everything turned peaceful.
[1:08:39] Speaker 1: Man, have you ever seen him? Have you ever seen
[1:08:42] Speaker 1: the Hindu exorcisms?
[1:08:49] Speaker 17: I've heard of him, I've never seen him.
[1:08:51] Speaker 1: Actually, there's a guy on TikTok and there's actually an
[1:08:53] Speaker 1: Islamic exorcist as well. There's like these these demons see
[1:08:58] Speaker 1: seem to flee no matter what God's name you put
[1:09:01] Speaker 1: in front of them. You think maybe they're more hallucinations.
[1:09:04] Speaker 17: In reality, I don't think so.
[1:09:11] Speaker 14: Just the way when I use when I start praying,
[1:09:13] Speaker 14: I asked Jesus to stop these people from fighting, and
[1:09:18] Speaker 14: they just stopped fighting, and I watch demons.
[1:09:22] Speaker 17: Flee out of them.
[1:09:23] Speaker 1: What the demons look like?
[1:09:26] Speaker 4: There?
[1:09:27] Speaker 17: It was weird like these people.
[1:09:28] Speaker 14: They was looking demonic when they was fighting and then
[1:09:32] Speaker 14: they just start start turned back to normal normal.
[1:09:36] Speaker 1: What the demon look like is what I'm saying.
[1:09:40] Speaker 17: Uh, it's hard to explain.
[1:09:44] Speaker 1: Yeah, listen, James, I mean you're you're really nice and polite.
[1:09:48] Speaker 1: I appreciate you coming up and talking with us. I'm
[1:09:51] Speaker 1: gonna try to get someone who wants to have a
[1:09:53] Speaker 1: debate with me. But thanks for being so kind. We
[1:09:56] Speaker 1: like kind people.
[1:09:56] Speaker 3: Run here.
[1:09:58] Speaker 17: You're welcome. Thank you for having me.
[1:10:00] Speaker 1: Chures absolutely big w for James. Guys, what a what
[1:10:03] Speaker 1: a good guy?
[1:10:03] Speaker 17: Eh?
[1:10:04] Speaker 1: I looking up a couple of super chats and then
[1:10:06] Speaker 1: we're gonna grab looks like comedian Mike Sinclair. Next he
[1:10:10] Speaker 1: was in line. And let's see now, Christo, some bragged
[1:10:17] Speaker 1: Christians are cannibals. Yeah, yeah, that's true, they are. And Dade,
[1:10:23] Speaker 1: good to see you tonight. Dad with the five dollar
[1:10:24] Speaker 1: supertet says, excuse me. But the proclamation in Matthew twenty
[1:10:28] Speaker 1: four to fourteen is literally a fool's Errand actually have
[1:10:31] Speaker 1: Matthew twenty four opened because I was getting ready to
[1:10:33] Speaker 1: read him a passage. But the one in the one
[1:10:36] Speaker 1: you're referring to in verse fourteen, it talks about the
[1:10:39] Speaker 1: parable of the talents. For is this as if a
[1:10:43] Speaker 1: man going on a journey summoned his slaves and entrusted
[1:10:46] Speaker 1: his property to them, and he gave five talents and
[1:10:49] Speaker 1: so on and so forth. Yeah, it's a it is
[1:10:51] Speaker 1: a bit of a fool's errand it's it's crazy to
[1:10:54] Speaker 1: me too that the end of that parable ends the
[1:10:58] Speaker 1: way that it does. Where the servant that was so
[1:11:04] Speaker 1: scared that he didn't know what to do and it
[1:11:07] Speaker 1: was just like I don't know what to do. I'm
[1:11:09] Speaker 1: just gonna chill. God was like, I fucking execute him.
[1:11:15] Speaker 1: Raised that God would do that, Oh my goodness. Also,
[1:11:21] Speaker 1: Hannibal's mom, thank you for the fighter superjest, says Hail Doug,
[1:11:23] Speaker 1: and hail his bff Satan big w for that. Yeah,
[1:11:27] Speaker 1: I agree. And Connor, thank you for the five dollar
[1:11:31] Speaker 1: Canadian chest, says Justin. You were the second most handsome
[1:11:33] Speaker 1: exvangelic on YouTube, Josh Bowen ak Meghan Lewis's husband takes
[1:11:37] Speaker 1: number one. Now that's a tall drink of water. Well,
[1:11:40] Speaker 1: I really appreciate that, Connor, And you're right, Joshua. Josh
[1:11:43] Speaker 1: Bowen is a sight to behold. And have you seen
[1:11:46] Speaker 1: his beard lately?
[1:11:47] Speaker 18: Oh?
[1:11:47] Speaker 1: Man, that beard's something else. That beard needs his own profile.
[1:11:51] Speaker 1: And and thank you for the six sixty six, he says, Hail, Doug,
[1:11:54] Speaker 1: Sharon and Rocky, they are all a ten on the
[1:11:59] Speaker 1: moe's skin of hardness. Have you seen the myth Vision
[1:12:02] Speaker 1: interview with doctor Justin Sledge keep Cooking? I have, and
[1:12:05] Speaker 1: it's a good one. I love Justin Sledge too. He's
[1:12:08] Speaker 1: just amazing. So when he teamed up with Derek I
[1:12:10] Speaker 1: was really excited about it. Thank you Freedom for the
[1:12:14] Speaker 1: six sixty six, he says, I have a question about
[1:12:17] Speaker 1: the archangels. Is the L at the end of Samuel
[1:12:22] Speaker 1: Gabriel Michael related to the Candonite pantheon, Not so much
[1:12:26] Speaker 1: of the Candadite pantheon, but at the time that angelology developed,
[1:12:31] Speaker 1: you know, the Semitic form of L just meant God.
[1:12:34] Speaker 1: It had kind of lost its Canaanite flair by that
[1:12:37] Speaker 1: point in time, so I wouldn't attribute the angelic names
[1:12:42] Speaker 1: to the Canaanit pantheon personally because it came so much
[1:12:44] Speaker 1: later in history. Mister, mister, thank you for the fight.
[1:12:48] Speaker 1: Our superjet says, did Latinus two daughters spawn the current
[1:12:51] Speaker 1: incest obsession? For listen, it's biblical, guys. There's a reason
[1:12:57] Speaker 1: why all these southern states are into that kind of
[1:12:59] Speaker 1: thing because that's biblical. It's in the book and last one.
[1:13:03] Speaker 1: Thank you so much, can best for the twenty seven
[1:13:05] Speaker 1: ninety nine super thanks. I really appreciate that. And with that,
[1:13:10] Speaker 1: we should have Mike up in here. We'll give him
[1:13:12] Speaker 1: a second to connect. Welcome in, Mike.
[1:13:15] Speaker 3: Hey, how are you doing?
[1:13:17] Speaker 1: Very good?
[1:13:17] Speaker 2: How you doing?
[1:13:19] Speaker 4: I'm good.
[1:13:20] Speaker 20: I'm not a believer.
[1:13:22] Speaker 1: Oh well, big w for not being a believer.
[1:13:25] Speaker 21: My question to the Christians or the believers is where
[1:13:30] Speaker 21: was God or Jesus during slavery, Jim Crow lynching all
[1:13:35] Speaker 21: that stuff in America?
[1:13:36] Speaker 1: He was in the corner jerking it off. He was
[1:13:38] Speaker 1: having a good time, he was having time with his life.
[1:13:40] Speaker 3: It's doundc it.
[1:13:42] Speaker 1: Yeah, he was the one that commanded slavery in the
[1:13:44] Speaker 1: first place. If you read the writings of the Confederacy,
[1:13:47] Speaker 1: they justified slavery by using the Bible Jefferson Davis himself.
[1:13:51] Speaker 1: It basically said that Christianity was needed to bring these
[1:13:56] Speaker 1: heathens into the faith through slavery. It's crazy.
[1:14:02] Speaker 4: Yep.
[1:14:03] Speaker 2: We thank you for what you do.
[1:14:04] Speaker 3: I like you show.
[1:14:05] Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you. Good to hear from your comedian.
[1:14:07] Speaker 1: Big w guys, let's get some w's in the chat
[1:14:09] Speaker 1: for comedian Mike Sinclair and follow his channel. Are you
[1:14:12] Speaker 1: doing comedy on your channel?
[1:14:16] Speaker 3: Not really?
[1:14:16] Speaker 13: I had some stuff on there, but not really.
[1:14:19] Speaker 1: Okay, well, thanks for coming up Mike, all right, thank you.
[1:14:23] Speaker 1: Cheers at Big Dubs for Mike. All right, we're gonna
[1:14:27] Speaker 1: grab the next person in our guest Q and welcome
[1:14:32] Speaker 1: to the Crack and Crew epiphytic lition. I really appreciate that.
[1:14:38] Speaker 1: And Terrifier, thank you so much for the two dollars.
[1:14:41] Speaker 1: Super Chest says, praise your compassion justin listen when I can,
[1:14:44] Speaker 1: I try, I really do, and my conscious I said that, right,
[1:14:50] Speaker 1: thank you for the two dour super thanks and Pat
[1:14:52] Speaker 1: Pat again, thank you so much for the five dollars.
[1:14:54] Speaker 1: Super testis justin. I think these folks are operating on
[1:14:57] Speaker 1: peer blind faith, no real facts given for why I'm
[1:15:00] Speaker 1: I mean, shit, if God tells us to walk off
[1:15:02] Speaker 1: a cliff, I know it's a lemming situation, that's what's happening.
[1:15:07] Speaker 1: But anyways, we've got a guest with us. It looks
[1:15:10] Speaker 1: like a name is Yanna. Did I say that right? Yanna?
[1:15:15] Speaker 1: You're a little bit quiet. Can you get closer to
[1:15:17] Speaker 1: your phone?
[1:15:19] Speaker 6: Can you hear me better?
[1:15:23] Speaker 1: Do you have bluetoothoth?
[1:15:25] Speaker 6: Yeah?
[1:15:28] Speaker 1: Yeah, try some some headphones or something.
[1:15:32] Speaker 11: Okay, can you hear me better?
[1:15:34] Speaker 4: Oh?
[1:15:34] Speaker 1: Way better?
[1:15:35] Speaker 11: Okay, Justin. I only came up to tell you I
[1:15:37] Speaker 11: really really really really really appreciate you in all your knowledge.
[1:15:40] Speaker 11: You're so very helpful in deconstruction. I do not have
[1:15:44] Speaker 11: to argue because I am not a Christian anymore, but
[1:15:47] Speaker 11: you're so instrumental in that process, and I thank.
[1:15:49] Speaker 1: You well big w for deconstructing. I know it's hard
[1:15:53] Speaker 1: to do, and it's like a really frustrating process because
[1:15:57] Speaker 1: I know half the time you're trying to stay in
[1:15:59] Speaker 1: the faith while you're doing it. But ultimately you have
[1:16:01] Speaker 1: to come to terms with the facts, you.
[1:16:03] Speaker 6: Know, right, but that's all I wanted.
[1:16:06] Speaker 11: Thank you so much. Have a great evening justin.
[1:16:08] Speaker 1: Thank you so much, John, It's great to hear from you.
[1:16:10] Speaker 1: In Big w for Yanni.
[1:16:11] Speaker 3: Guys.
[1:16:13] Speaker 1: All right, we've got a couple of people waiting to
[1:16:15] Speaker 1: get in on the YouTube queue. Well, we're gonna keep grabbing.
[1:16:18] Speaker 1: And it looks like next up is supposed to be.
[1:16:25] Speaker 22: SB E B E w M.
[1:16:28] Speaker 1: But I don't see. I tried to add them to
[1:16:31] Speaker 1: the the screen SB, Are you with us? I don't
[1:16:38] Speaker 1: think they're even connected anymore. All right, we'll grab the
[1:16:41] Speaker 1: next one. All right, we're gonna keep on rolling. Guys.
[1:16:45] Speaker 1: Let's see, let's see. All right, we've got not your
[1:16:51] Speaker 1: average Joe seven to seven seven, welcome in?
[1:16:58] Speaker 3: Are you with us?
[1:16:58] Speaker 1: Not so average Joe?
[1:17:02] Speaker 2: Hello?
[1:17:05] Speaker 1: Wella almost us our Vieter Zane Goose nothing, all right, Well,
[1:17:18] Speaker 1: come on back when you get your connection figured out. Okay,
[1:17:22] Speaker 1: we're gonna get somebody. All right, let's get Winston Willison
[1:17:25] Speaker 1: here next from the TikTok you and my conscience again,
[1:17:29] Speaker 1: thank you so much for the superjet, says that guy
[1:17:32] Speaker 1: sounds like he could be a prophet, praying away demons,
[1:17:35] Speaker 1: stopping fights on the spot. He should be doing good
[1:17:39] Speaker 1: all over. That's actually a really good point, because like,
[1:17:41] Speaker 1: if you've got the power to like pray in Jesus's
[1:17:43] Speaker 1: name and do things, shit, you should be doing that
[1:17:45] Speaker 1: all the time. If I could do that, you'd never
[1:17:48] Speaker 1: stop me from doing it. And Beanie, thank you for
[1:17:50] Speaker 1: the buy that Superjet says, I started deconstructing four months ago.
[1:17:53] Speaker 1: It's so funny when people don't think about why God
[1:17:55] Speaker 1: didn't just forgive Adam and eve bro to fruit. I know,
[1:17:59] Speaker 1: it's the craziest thing that they didn't know right from wrong.
[1:18:04] Speaker 1: They had no knowledge of good or evil. They bit
[1:18:06] Speaker 1: the fruit in God's like, well, you're getting punished and
[1:18:08] Speaker 1: so is all of humanity now. And last, super Chat,
[1:18:12] Speaker 1: thank you Ridoculous for the ten hour super Chat says
[1:18:15] Speaker 1: praise Doug, and thank you justin Well, thank you Ridiculous,
[1:18:18] Speaker 1: and Doug thanks to you as well. Winston wokeman, Yes, evening,
[1:18:24] Speaker 1: I'm from Jommy coming.
[1:18:24] Speaker 23: I ever understand me, mid diek over talk you understand?
[1:18:29] Speaker 1: Yeah, I can understand. How you doing Winston? Are you
[1:18:31] Speaker 1: at least eighteen? And are you a believer?
[1:18:34] Speaker 4: Yeah? No, I'm not.
[1:18:35] Speaker 23: I believe I'm just calling to big you up on
[1:18:40] Speaker 23: your very knowledge of las I. I I appreciate your lot.
[1:18:45] Speaker 23: How you teaching me a lot as well, am I.
[1:18:47] Speaker 1: Ethis well, big w for being an atheist it was,
[1:18:52] Speaker 1: you know. IM glad you're no longer in the cult.
[1:18:54] Speaker 23: You know, yes, yes, yes, really I appreciate your team
[1:18:59] Speaker 23: and getting nice and keep up a good work.
[1:19:03] Speaker 1: Hey, thanks, I really appreciate that. All right, I have
[1:19:05] Speaker 1: a good one here. It's hard deconstructing, especially when you're
[1:19:12] Speaker 1: in a culture like Jamaica where so many people are religious.
[1:19:17] Speaker 1: It's incredibly religious over there. All right, let's try to
[1:19:21] Speaker 1: get not your average Joe in here again. How are
[1:19:24] Speaker 1: you doing average Joe? I don't know what you're doing
[1:19:29] Speaker 1: over the average Joe, but I can see that you've
[1:19:32] Speaker 1: got like two screens loaded up and still no microphone.
[1:19:36] Speaker 1: I don't know your microphone's not set. Look, you've got
[1:19:40] Speaker 1: four microphones on your PC, and none of them are
[1:19:43] Speaker 1: are set properly. You've got the Arctic Nova III, which
[1:19:47] Speaker 1: obviously isn't working, and you've got the Intel Internal Array microphones,
[1:19:52] Speaker 1: which probably would work. I'm just gonna change your microphone
[1:19:56] Speaker 1: for you here. It is that anything? Nothing all right,
[1:20:05] Speaker 1: get your microphone situated and come on back. I don't
[1:20:08] Speaker 1: know what's going on with your technology setup, but got
[1:20:11] Speaker 1: problems there, Got problems there, Jesus's Master. Unfortunately, you can't
[1:20:18] Speaker 1: be on here and like have it on speakerphone because
[1:20:21] Speaker 1: the sound echoes back into the microphone. Do you have
[1:20:23] Speaker 1: headphones you can put it in or can you turn
[1:20:25] Speaker 1: the speakerphone off?
[1:20:26] Speaker 17: Headphones so you can put it in, or can you
[1:20:28] Speaker 17: turn the speakerphone off.
[1:20:38] Speaker 1: Let's see if its work out. I'm actually surprised by
[1:20:42] Speaker 1: the amount of people that just have Bluetooth headphones with
[1:20:45] Speaker 1: them when I ask, like they already have it, and
[1:20:48] Speaker 1: I carry mine with me all the time. I think
[1:20:50] Speaker 1: we're in a really interesting age of technology where like
[1:20:54] Speaker 1: everybody has Bluetooth headphones.
[1:20:56] Speaker 9: If you have a phone, has Bluetooth headphone.
[1:21:00] Speaker 1: He's having some trouble over there. Sounds like, well, I
[1:21:04] Speaker 1: see a bunch of Christians on the TikTok stream, and guys,
[1:21:09] Speaker 1: if you're a Christian on TikTok stream, you can join
[1:21:11] Speaker 1: too through the normal process to click that guest request
[1:21:15] Speaker 1: and we'll get jump in here. While Jesus's Master is
[1:21:19] Speaker 1: trying to get his technology sorted out, still a taxi bit.
[1:21:23] Speaker 1: Thank you for the five dollars. Super Chat says, if
[1:21:24] Speaker 1: Jesus played hockey, I think God center, Holy Ghost right wing,
[1:21:29] Speaker 1: Jesus left wing, a whole complete line thanks to trinity. Yeah,
[1:21:32] Speaker 1: you're not wrong. Listen, you could. I don't think you
[1:21:35] Speaker 1: have a full ice with just a trinity, but who knows.
[1:21:41] Speaker 1: But if in fact God had his own hockey team,
[1:21:44] Speaker 1: he would just put everybody in the penalty box so
[1:21:46] Speaker 1: he'd be playing on open nets, so he would just
[1:21:48] Speaker 1: like win by default basically cheating. But I mean, would
[1:21:52] Speaker 1: we expect anything less from God to, you know, win
[1:21:54] Speaker 1: by cheating and bending the rules? Doctor Pizza, Thank you
[1:21:57] Speaker 1: for the five dollars. Super Chat says, Please get these
[1:21:59] Speaker 1: people to defend things. Are you defend things that aren't
[1:22:03] Speaker 1: out in the Bible? I think it can reveal to
[1:22:05] Speaker 1: them the flaw of their thought process. Okay, all right,
[1:22:12] Speaker 1: Jesus is master. Obviously you don't have enough holy spirit
[1:22:16] Speaker 1: to make this work. I'm just gonna go ahead and
[1:22:18] Speaker 1: drop you down. You can come back and try again.
[1:22:21] Speaker 1: I don't know what's going on with your technology, but
[1:22:23] Speaker 1: it is not good. The Lord is not with you.
[1:22:25] Speaker 1: You need to pray about that. Let's grabuh, not your
[1:22:29] Speaker 1: average Joe for the third time and see if the
[1:22:31] Speaker 1: technology is working. How you doing not your average Joe?
[1:22:40] Speaker 1: Train of failure with not so average Joe. I don't
[1:22:43] Speaker 1: know what's going on with your technology not so average Joe,
[1:22:45] Speaker 1: but it sounds like you're below average.
[1:22:48] Speaker 4: My man.
[1:22:48] Speaker 1: You got to get your technology sorted out. All right.
[1:22:53] Speaker 1: We're gonna keep on moving through guys, all right, SB,
[1:22:58] Speaker 1: are you with us? Eventually we're gonna get somebody online,
[1:23:02] Speaker 1: not that. Dan Brown, thank you for the bid dollar
[1:23:04] Speaker 1: super jet, says, why stop at three with pebbles? It'll
[1:23:07] Speaker 1: be a quadrinity like going to eleven. Actually, we we
[1:23:11] Speaker 1: had some conversation about that recently. There's no set number,
[1:23:14] Speaker 1: you know what I mean for the Pantheon of Doug.
[1:23:20] Speaker 1: But Mardu, thank you for the five dollar super things.
[1:23:22] Speaker 1: I really appreciate that. And Evan again, thank you so
[1:23:25] Speaker 1: much for the five dollar super Chet says. Christians claim
[1:23:27] Speaker 1: Jesus can save from hell but because he never sinned,
[1:23:30] Speaker 1: But how do they know he wasn't spanking his holy
[1:23:33] Speaker 1: member well all alone in the wilders. That's the craziest
[1:23:36] Speaker 1: thing is to make claims like Jesus never sinned, because
[1:23:41] Speaker 1: if you actually believe that Jesus never sinned, like, it's
[1:23:44] Speaker 1: an unfalsifle, unfalsifiable claim, like there's no way to prove it, right,
[1:23:49] Speaker 1: you just it's just I could easily just say that
[1:23:51] Speaker 1: Simon Barkokva never sinned. Okay, proved me wrong, proved to
[1:23:55] Speaker 1: me that he never sinned. And Fear's interaction last super
[1:23:58] Speaker 1: Chest thank you for the twenty dollars, very generous says
[1:24:01] Speaker 1: it feels done right, positive in here tonight, loving it,
[1:24:04] Speaker 1: but still want to hear a good debate. Dammit, keep
[1:24:07] Speaker 1: doing the lord Dog's work. I'm gonna try. Thank you
[1:24:10] Speaker 1: so much for the support. Fierce interaction. Eventually, someone's technology
[1:24:14] Speaker 1: is gonna work and we're we're gonna get them in
[1:24:16] Speaker 1: the stream. It's gonna work, and we're all right. Uh, Jesus,
[1:24:21] Speaker 1: whatever your previous name was that you've changed to, I'm
[1:24:24] Speaker 1: going to cook. You're not gonna cook anybody figure out
[1:24:27] Speaker 1: how to get your technology working. So I'm gonna pray
[1:24:31] Speaker 1: to Jesus to take the technology wheel because this is
[1:24:33] Speaker 1: embarrassing crazy to me. All right, try the next you
[1:24:42] Speaker 1: guys are killing me tonight, get out of here. Unbelievable.
[1:24:47] Speaker 1: Go go download TikTok. If you don't know how technology work, guys,
[1:24:50] Speaker 1: just go down on TikTok and get on the TikTok stream. Ridiculous. Literally,
[1:24:58] Speaker 1: the only thing you need ahead phones and a microphone,
[1:25:01] Speaker 1: or you need a phone with your speakerphone that doesn't
[1:25:04] Speaker 1: blast right back into your microphone. It's so easy, there's
[1:25:10] Speaker 1: so little requirements to get online. All right, we'll get
[1:25:14] Speaker 1: We'll get somebody la la. Welcome in. Thank you for
[1:25:16] Speaker 1: the by doc. Supertest says. The audio problems are the
[1:25:19] Speaker 1: Holy Spirit saving people from being cooked. Yes's what it is, actually,
[1:25:23] Speaker 1: God so embarrassed, and freedom from security. Thank you so
[1:25:27] Speaker 1: much for the six sixty six says, Thanks Justin for
[1:25:29] Speaker 1: your answer. I just thought the archangel names were interesting
[1:25:33] Speaker 1: if you put the L first, like El yawn yeah
[1:25:36] Speaker 1: or Elle mckhaw. You're right, you actually would be interesting.
[1:25:42] Speaker 1: But yeah yeah. Unfortunately, the time period that angelology developed
[1:25:46] Speaker 1: mostly Intertestamental or Persian period, you know, so far disconnected
[1:25:51] Speaker 1: from from Canaanite literature that they wouldn't have really known,
[1:25:54] Speaker 1: although they had some knowledge of the Canaanite mythology, even
[1:25:59] Speaker 1: at the time of like the major prophets, I would say,
[1:26:04] Speaker 1: but around the time of the third century they kind
[1:26:07] Speaker 1: of moved on. But anyways, what Grayson Richard's with us?
[1:26:10] Speaker 1: How you're doing Grayson at baself, I'm doing well. Thank
[1:26:14] Speaker 1: you for asking. Grayson. Are you at least eighteen and are.
[1:26:16] Speaker 3: You a believer?
[1:26:17] Speaker 13: Yeah, I'm twenty eight I'm a Christian.
[1:26:19] Speaker 4: Cool.
[1:26:20] Speaker 1: And do you believe that God loves humanity?
[1:26:24] Speaker 13: I believe so yes.
[1:26:25] Speaker 1: Does He love all humans?
[1:26:28] Speaker 13: All humans? I believe so yes.
[1:26:31] Speaker 1: Does God want people to go to Hell?
[1:26:37] Speaker 13: No?
[1:26:37] Speaker 20: Okay, No he doesn't.
[1:26:39] Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, So God loves all human beings and he
[1:26:42] Speaker 1: doesn't want them to go to Hell? Okay, So why
[1:26:43] Speaker 1: does he send people to hell?
[1:26:48] Speaker 13: So? Yeah. So the reason behind that is obviously, I'm
[1:26:51] Speaker 13: sure you've heard before, I mean many times that I
[1:26:54] Speaker 13: believe that obviously God allows us, as free agents acting
[1:26:57] Speaker 13: to either accept him or rejected him based upon the
[1:27:01] Speaker 13: evidence that we have of his existence. I believe that
[1:27:04] Speaker 13: He gives us this the opportunity to make decisions he
[1:27:08] Speaker 13: I believe he presents enough evidence for us to obviously
[1:27:12] Speaker 13: posit God. And if we choose to go against that,
[1:27:14] Speaker 13: then we are separated from him. But I also don't
[1:27:18] Speaker 13: believe that hell is the way that he is described
[1:27:20] Speaker 13: in the Bible as to a lot of other you know,
[1:27:23] Speaker 13: I would say a lot of other historians also don't
[1:27:25] Speaker 13: agree with it necessarily.
[1:27:28] Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, we can talk about what form of Hell
[1:27:30] Speaker 1: you believe in next. I'm trying to figure out why
[1:27:32] Speaker 1: it exists at all. Right, So why does God send
[1:27:34] Speaker 1: people to Hell?
[1:27:35] Speaker 13: Does he have to? I would say, so, yeah, he
[1:27:40] Speaker 13: has to.
[1:27:40] Speaker 1: So God's not all powerful.
[1:27:43] Speaker 13: I'm sorry, Just.
[1:27:46] Speaker 1: God has to send people to Hell.
[1:27:48] Speaker 13: I wouldn't say he has to. I mean, but I
[1:27:50] Speaker 13: would believe that it has to. I mean, if it occurs,
[1:27:53] Speaker 13: then it would follow right that he would have to.
[1:27:56] Speaker 1: Yeah, Because so God's not all powerful.
[1:28:00] Speaker 13: He is all powerful?
[1:28:01] Speaker 1: Yes, Okay, so he didn't have to. All powerful beings
[1:28:04] Speaker 1: don't have to do anything.
[1:28:06] Speaker 13: No, No, you're you're right, You're right. So I guess
[1:28:08] Speaker 13: the terminology that maybe I use was not proper. When
[1:28:11] Speaker 13: I say have to, I mean that it just this
[1:28:13] Speaker 13: is something that occurs based upon us, our free will
[1:28:17] Speaker 13: that we have. Well, I knew you would.
[1:28:20] Speaker 1: God set those rules, right. God was the one that said, hey,
[1:28:22] Speaker 1: if you make a single decision that I don't like,
[1:28:24] Speaker 1: I'll burn you right correct oat. So, but did anyone
[1:28:28] Speaker 1: force him to make those rules?
[1:28:31] Speaker 13: No, No, these were established. These are established by him
[1:28:34] Speaker 13: and him only.
[1:28:35] Speaker 1: Okay, why.
[1:28:38] Speaker 4: Yeah?
[1:28:38] Speaker 13: Yeah, so again, I believe that the reason you set
[1:28:41] Speaker 13: these rules is that He set up a world or
[1:28:44] Speaker 13: a system in which we do have the ability to
[1:28:47] Speaker 13: make decisions on our own and act accordingly as free
[1:28:51] Speaker 13: agents acting, and that he obviously gives us the opportunity
[1:28:56] Speaker 13: to either you know, accept him or to reject him.
[1:29:00] Speaker 13: I believe that God openly puts in front of us,
[1:29:03] Speaker 13: like I said, enough right in front of us, enough
[1:29:05] Speaker 13: evidence to show us, hey, listen, I exist, and then
[1:29:07] Speaker 13: people can willfully choose either ignore that and you know,
[1:29:11] Speaker 13: do things like obviously reject him and maybe like help
[1:29:14] Speaker 13: people deconstructor things like that, or they can follow his path.
[1:29:17] Speaker 1: Yeah, but that doesn't answer my question. My question is
[1:29:19] Speaker 1: why does anyone go into hell at all? Why did
[1:29:21] Speaker 1: God create hell for people.
[1:29:23] Speaker 3: To go to?
[1:29:26] Speaker 17: Yeah?
[1:29:26] Speaker 13: Yeah, so, because obviously for the people that obviously rebel
[1:29:30] Speaker 13: against him, that's why he did. That's why they created it.
[1:29:33] Speaker 1: I'm aware, But why why does God want people to
[1:29:35] Speaker 1: be burned with fire.
[1:29:38] Speaker 13: Well, again, I don't believe that that is what it is.
[1:29:40] Speaker 13: But I mean, if you want me to answer that question,
[1:29:43] Speaker 13: I would say, well, I've got to answer that. I mean, obviously,
[1:29:47] Speaker 13: I know you're probably trying to go deeper into the
[1:29:49] Speaker 13: reasoning behind why. I just don't know. I mean, ultimately,
[1:29:54] Speaker 13: that's the reality of the situation with the most with
[1:29:56] Speaker 13: most Christians, is that you know, we don't. I can't
[1:29:59] Speaker 13: understand the mind of God. If if I could, he
[1:30:01] Speaker 13: wouldn't be God. So I have to obviously have obviously faith,
[1:30:06] Speaker 13: and I have to understand that there's reasons behind what
[1:30:08] Speaker 13: he does. And ultimately I can't answer that question. And
[1:30:11] Speaker 13: that's just part of what God is.
[1:30:12] Speaker 1: I mean, you find out weird that non believers go
[1:30:15] Speaker 1: to Hell, even if if you and I live identical
[1:30:18] Speaker 1: lives and the only difference is you're a believer and
[1:30:20] Speaker 1: I'm not. I go to Hell and you don't. Don't
[1:30:22] Speaker 1: think you find that weird?
[1:30:25] Speaker 13: I find so again, good question. Okay, So it's one
[1:30:28] Speaker 13: of those things where it's like in this scenario where
[1:30:30] Speaker 13: you presented let's say the were you knowledged on God
[1:30:36] Speaker 13: and the Christianity things of that or any religion for
[1:30:38] Speaker 13: that matter, were you or were you not exposed to it?
[1:30:41] Speaker 1: Or what has that to do with anything? Just because
[1:30:43] Speaker 1: you're exposed to something doesn't mean that it's convincing to you.
[1:30:46] Speaker 1: Does God exclud Does God know what it would take
[1:30:49] Speaker 1: to convince me?
[1:30:52] Speaker 4: Yes?
[1:30:52] Speaker 1: Actually, okay, so the fact that I haven't received it
[1:30:55] Speaker 1: is God's fault.
[1:30:56] Speaker 13: Wait, but see, justin I would I would argue that
[1:30:59] Speaker 13: he has He has showed you.
[1:31:01] Speaker 1: What it is to convince you, or else I'd be convinced.
[1:31:04] Speaker 13: Well, I believe that you. I believe that you do
[1:31:06] Speaker 13: reject the evidence that's presented to you. But I mean,
[1:31:12] Speaker 13: just well, so obviously we see all throughout you know
[1:31:16] Speaker 13: everything that we know to everything that we know. Things
[1:31:18] Speaker 13: that are complex require a creator.
[1:31:20] Speaker 1: And as the gospel, I'm talking about the gospel about
[1:31:23] Speaker 1: people going to hell. Oh, she's asking about believing that
[1:31:28] Speaker 1: there's a God. Has nothing to do with whether you're
[1:31:30] Speaker 1: going to heaven or hell. The Muslims believe in the God,
[1:31:33] Speaker 1: they're not going to heaven.
[1:31:36] Speaker 13: Oh, she's asking for the convincing of that the gospels
[1:31:39] Speaker 13: are true. Again, I believe that there obviously would be
[1:31:42] Speaker 13: enough sufficient evidence in the Bible to prove that God
[1:31:45] Speaker 13: is true. What Yeah, sure, so I would say things
[1:31:48] Speaker 13: like how science does catch up to the Bible. Obviously
[1:31:54] Speaker 13: is it predates science, So we actually make a lot
[1:31:56] Speaker 13: of discoveries such as.
[1:31:57] Speaker 1: Things like laman in different lamin to do with the Bible.
[1:32:02] Speaker 13: Yeah, so obviously again this is you're gonna say this
[1:32:05] Speaker 13: is as a coincidence, but like so laminin is it's
[1:32:08] Speaker 13: basically the it's a cell that holds your entire body together,
[1:32:11] Speaker 13: the mustang protein. Yeah protein, Sorry, And obviously in the
[1:32:15] Speaker 13: in the scriptures that says that through God all things
[1:32:17] Speaker 13: are held together. This actual protein is what was what
[1:32:20] Speaker 13: was responsible for holding the entire body together.
[1:32:23] Speaker 1: It's not entirely true. But also what does that to
[1:32:26] Speaker 1: do with God? Because just because there's a protein that
[1:32:29] Speaker 1: holds things together doesn't mean God is real?
[1:32:32] Speaker 13: Well no, no again right? Oh I said that is
[1:32:34] Speaker 13: that I use this in conjunction with many other things
[1:32:37] Speaker 13: to posit God. There's small so this is one we
[1:32:40] Speaker 13: have things like obviously I'm.
[1:32:43] Speaker 1: Still trying to figure out what what laminin has to
[1:32:45] Speaker 1: do with your God?
[1:32:47] Speaker 13: Oh yeah, so in the Bible says that that through
[1:32:49] Speaker 13: through Him all things are helped together, and then obviously
[1:32:52] Speaker 13: Laminin is would hold your entire body together?
[1:32:55] Speaker 1: Is the body all things?
[1:32:59] Speaker 13: You know, it's an example of a thing.
[1:33:00] Speaker 1: Yeah, but how do you know that Laminin is your God?
[1:33:03] Speaker 1: Now you're just saying that Lamanin is equal to God,
[1:33:06] Speaker 1: which is even sillier.
[1:33:08] Speaker 13: Ill No, I'm saying lamin is just another example of God. Sure,
[1:33:11] Speaker 13: but also when the work all things is used? Well,
[1:33:14] Speaker 13: I think when the work all things.
[1:33:16] Speaker 1: What I'm still trying to fair? Do you even know
[1:33:17] Speaker 1: the talking point you're trying to use? Have you heard
[1:33:20] Speaker 1: this speech by Louis Giggly.
[1:33:21] Speaker 13: On this Who's Louis Giggly?
[1:33:24] Speaker 1: He's the guy who invented this talking point?
[1:33:27] Speaker 13: Oh no, no, I saw this.
[1:33:29] Speaker 1: Louis Giglio is a guy who invented this talking point
[1:33:31] Speaker 1: way back in two thousand and six. Right right, No, no,
[1:33:35] Speaker 1: so I don't know who is now Laminin has nothing.
[1:33:39] Speaker 1: First of all, you don't even know the talking point.
[1:33:40] Speaker 1: I wouldn't be using it. Second of all, Lamanin doesn't
[1:33:43] Speaker 1: do the thing that you said it does. And third
[1:33:44] Speaker 1: of all, Laminin what you're supposed to say is that
[1:33:47] Speaker 1: it's a coincidence that laminin looks like it's in the
[1:33:49] Speaker 1: shape of a cross, but it's actually not. Here's a
[1:33:51] Speaker 1: picture of what laminin looks like in real life. Yeah,
[1:33:55] Speaker 1: it's just spaghett spaghetti. This is random broken chains.
[1:33:58] Speaker 13: Well, I guess, I guess old. I mean, obviously there's
[1:34:01] Speaker 13: no there would be no convincing for you.
[1:34:04] Speaker 1: But I guess wait, wait, what do you mean because
[1:34:07] Speaker 1: you gave me a dog ship analogy of laman improving God,
[1:34:10] Speaker 1: and now I'm not open to actual evidence? Oh my god?
[1:34:15] Speaker 18: Did this?
[1:34:15] Speaker 1: Honestly? You guys have to practice as wild.
[1:34:18] Speaker 13: Well when I when I say you're not open, I'm
[1:34:19] Speaker 13: not saying that. I'm not saying I presented a compelling argument.
[1:34:22] Speaker 13: I'm saying if you present a mediocre argument, I'm saying
[1:34:25] Speaker 13: I typically watch your laws. I mean, I mean, obviously
[1:34:28] Speaker 13: this isn't really done. More for like you know, being
[1:34:31] Speaker 13: you don't want to be convinced. I feel like you
[1:34:33] Speaker 13: just want to U rather just argue against.
[1:34:35] Speaker 1: I already know the Bible is not true. That's why
[1:34:37] Speaker 1: you can't convince it exactly. Because the Bible is demonstrably untrue.
[1:34:41] Speaker 1: It says things about reality that aren't true. It says
[1:34:45] Speaker 1: things about itself that are contradictory.
[1:34:48] Speaker 13: Do you believe that all Christians are bad people?
[1:34:50] Speaker 9: No?
[1:34:51] Speaker 1: What would I think?
[1:34:52] Speaker 13: Does my belief in God bother you? No?
[1:34:57] Speaker 1: Does my disbelief in God bother you?
[1:34:59] Speaker 13: Because no, no it doesn't. It doesn't.
[1:35:01] Speaker 1: It bothered you enough that you saw my background and
[1:35:04] Speaker 1: you came up and wanted to talk about it. Well,
[1:35:07] Speaker 1: when I was a Christian.
[1:35:10] Speaker 13: So what I'm saying to you is that obviously your
[1:35:12] Speaker 13: disbelieve bothers me in the sense I obviously do want
[1:35:14] Speaker 13: to see you come to Christ, but not in the
[1:35:16] Speaker 13: sense that it's like I want to, you know, tear
[1:35:18] Speaker 13: you down for it. It seems like you enjoyed tearing
[1:35:21] Speaker 13: people down for their belief. And it's also, here's the thing.
[1:35:26] Speaker 13: Most Christians, they aren't radical Christians in the sense that
[1:35:29] Speaker 13: they don't they don't even really read the Old Testament
[1:35:32] Speaker 13: or things like that. So people that come in here,
[1:35:35] Speaker 13: here's the thing, a lot of these people find the
[1:35:37] Speaker 13: you maybe comfort or peace to these things. Are it
[1:35:40] Speaker 13: seems like your mission to hear them down. I'm real Christian.
[1:35:43] Speaker 1: Yeah, so you've read the Old Testament, but it.
[1:35:45] Speaker 13: Seems like you're just more tear them down and actually
[1:35:48] Speaker 13: prove them that read parts.
[1:35:54] Speaker 1: You just said Christians are coming up in here who
[1:35:56] Speaker 1: haven't read the Old Testament, and now you're saying you
[1:35:58] Speaker 1: haven't read the Old Testament. You just called yourself an
[1:36:00] Speaker 1: untrue Christian.
[1:36:02] Speaker 13: No, no, no, I didn't say untrue Christians. I said
[1:36:04] Speaker 13: Christians that aren't really well versed.
[1:36:05] Speaker 1: I don't think you're Christians anymore. Why you just said
[1:36:10] Speaker 1: real Christians, fake Christians are coming up and you haven't
[1:36:13] Speaker 1: read the Bible, and.
[1:36:16] Speaker 13: Category I said, not well versed Christians, not well versed
[1:36:20] Speaker 13: on the Old Testament, Christians, people that just find comfort
[1:36:23] Speaker 13: in God. Because you almost the thing is you demonize
[1:36:26] Speaker 13: as if they support grape and things like that, but
[1:36:28] Speaker 13: you know that most Christians don't support that. They just
[1:36:30] Speaker 13: aren't well versed.
[1:36:31] Speaker 1: On dehumanize the Christians that do support what the Bible
[1:36:34] Speaker 1: says about that. Do you think that was a good
[1:36:36] Speaker 1: thing that God hit people graped.
[1:36:38] Speaker 13: As a person, as a as a human being and
[1:36:40] Speaker 13: a free agent. I believe it is not right. It's wrong.
[1:36:43] Speaker 1: So it was bad when God had to happen.
[1:36:46] Speaker 13: So here's the thing, okay, man, is that he gonna
[1:36:48] Speaker 13: answer it. Let me be clear. Let me be clear,
[1:36:51] Speaker 13: as a as a human being that's a free agent.
[1:36:54] Speaker 13: I would have to based on the morals. I understand
[1:36:56] Speaker 13: the things I know to be true. It's wrong. The
[1:36:59] Speaker 13: thing is at you.
[1:37:00] Speaker 1: But when God told people.
[1:37:03] Speaker 4: To do it?
[1:37:04] Speaker 13: Wait, do you want a perfect world?
[1:37:06] Speaker 3: No?
[1:37:06] Speaker 1: I don't think a perfect world is achievable. I'm asking you.
[1:37:09] Speaker 1: Is it a good thing when the most powerful entity
[1:37:12] Speaker 1: in the most moral agent in the universe causes people
[1:37:16] Speaker 1: to be graped and harmed?
[1:37:19] Speaker 13: Do I think it's one?
[1:37:21] Speaker 4: What is it?
[1:37:22] Speaker 1: Was it a good thing when God told had it happened?
[1:37:25] Speaker 13: I believe the things that occurred in the Old Testament,
[1:37:28] Speaker 13: they're not good. No, so God, God was doing bad
[1:37:31] Speaker 13: things my perception, under my perception. The thing is is
[1:37:33] Speaker 13: that justin you can't you are not understanding that our
[1:37:37] Speaker 13: perception of things. Okay, if you were a positive God
[1:37:41] Speaker 13: and you actually granted God, let me.
[1:37:43] Speaker 1: He just can't say, yes, was it a good thing
[1:37:45] Speaker 1: or a bad thing? When God had women graped?
[1:37:50] Speaker 13: I just already answered that question. I said, under well,
[1:37:53] Speaker 13: I know to be true. I said, I see it.
[1:37:55] Speaker 13: This is wrong.
[1:37:56] Speaker 1: It's a bad thing.
[1:37:58] Speaker 13: Wait, you're you're not letting me ask Mike question too.
[1:38:01] Speaker 1: If you wait for a straight answer, was it good
[1:38:03] Speaker 1: or bad?
[1:38:05] Speaker 5: What do you think?
[1:38:06] Speaker 13: Theer already answered the question, So it was not good?
[1:38:08] Speaker 1: Okay, it was not Okay, So God did a bad
[1:38:10] Speaker 1: cool God?
[1:38:11] Speaker 6: No?
[1:38:12] Speaker 3: No?
[1:38:12] Speaker 13: Yeah, so thank you. So let me elaborate with this
[1:38:14] Speaker 13: gay I positive if you were if you were a
[1:38:17] Speaker 13: Christian and you acknowledge God, you do understand that it
[1:38:21] Speaker 13: is possible for us to perceive things through our perception
[1:38:24] Speaker 13: as being bad when ultimately it could be good. There
[1:38:27] Speaker 13: could be some good behind it. You wouldn't know that
[1:38:29] Speaker 13: because because if you grant got all his properties, you
[1:38:32] Speaker 13: couldn't say think that things were bad in comparison, He's
[1:38:34] Speaker 13: the ultimate judge. So if you believed in God, yes
[1:38:37] Speaker 13: or no? Would you have to agree that it is
[1:38:39] Speaker 13: possible that God allows things to happen that we perceive
[1:38:43] Speaker 13: is evil but there is ultimate good behind it or
[1:38:45] Speaker 13: there is a better purpose behind it? Yes or no?
[1:38:47] Speaker 13: If you granted if you granted all his properties.
[1:38:51] Speaker 1: It depends on what God you believe in.
[1:38:54] Speaker 13: Grayson, Okay, let's say what was the Christian God? If
[1:38:56] Speaker 13: if you granted all his properties, you would have to,
[1:38:58] Speaker 13: you would have to concede that He could have a
[1:39:00] Speaker 13: better purpose behind the actions, that the things that we
[1:39:03] Speaker 13: perceive is bad. Yes or no.
[1:39:04] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[1:39:05] Speaker 1: If you're a Bible believing Christian you think that the
[1:39:08] Speaker 1: word of God is in errand, then yes, you have
[1:39:11] Speaker 1: to default to the position that anything God does is
[1:39:15] Speaker 1: by nature good. Which is why I asked these difficult
[1:39:19] Speaker 1: questions of Christians. It's because I like to watch their
[1:39:22] Speaker 1: wheel spin out when I ask them if it was
[1:39:25] Speaker 1: good for God to have David's wives graped?
[1:39:29] Speaker 13: Can I ask you a question? What does good mean?
[1:39:30] Speaker 13: What does good mean?
[1:39:31] Speaker 1: Just why I just used the definition of the word good.
[1:39:34] Speaker 1: What's your definition of good?
[1:39:36] Speaker 13: Anything that is pleasant.
[1:39:39] Speaker 1: Or desirable or benef question?
[1:39:41] Speaker 13: Can you experience independently good without bad? Yeah? Okay? Question
[1:39:48] Speaker 13: does bad in coexistence with good magnify the good?
[1:39:53] Speaker 1: I don't really think so.
[1:39:54] Speaker 6: No.
[1:39:54] Speaker 1: And this is also okay, So God wasn't good before
[1:39:58] Speaker 1: he created bad?
[1:40:01] Speaker 13: No, I'm saying. I'm saying, obviously it's God need.
[1:40:03] Speaker 1: To create evil to magnify his goodness.
[1:40:06] Speaker 13: Oh, that's the paradox behind you, my friend.
[1:40:08] Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, it's a paradox. Yeah, because you're creating a
[1:40:10] Speaker 1: bullshit answer to it. No easy problem, which is that
[1:40:13] Speaker 1: you don't actually need bad to experience good is to
[1:40:18] Speaker 1: be Is there going to be badness in heaven when
[1:40:20] Speaker 1: you get up there?
[1:40:21] Speaker 13: That's all I was gonna get to. So it's so
[1:40:23] Speaker 13: the entire idea here is that I don't know why
[1:40:25] Speaker 13: you're saying that it doesn't, but everyone agrees that the
[1:40:28] Speaker 13: idea of the coexistence of bad with good magnifies good substantially.
[1:40:33] Speaker 1: I disagree.
[1:40:35] Speaker 13: Why would you disagree serious?
[1:40:36] Speaker 1: Because literally psychology, all of psychology, disagrees with you. That's
[1:40:39] Speaker 1: why children are considered happy because they're innocent, because they
[1:40:45] Speaker 1: haven't experienced trauma, because they haven't experienced hurt. What you're
[1:40:49] Speaker 1: saying is a bullshit philosophy that has no founding in
[1:40:53] Speaker 1: actual experience.
[1:40:55] Speaker 13: Okay, well wait wait, so here's the idea that Okay, here,
[1:40:59] Speaker 13: here's what you're saying. You're saying that in all, in
[1:41:01] Speaker 13: a perfect world where everything is good, people experience pleasantries. Okay,
[1:41:06] Speaker 13: but you're saying that if you instantiated any bad into
[1:41:09] Speaker 13: there where someone then could experience bad and then also
[1:41:13] Speaker 13: experience good after that, it wouldn't be magnified because they've
[1:41:17] Speaker 13: only ever experienced good? Yeah, that's that's that doesn't that
[1:41:22] Speaker 13: doesn't make any sense.
[1:41:23] Speaker 1: To Yeah, badness doesn't make goodness more good?
[1:41:26] Speaker 13: Does I have a question? Is that the bad things
[1:41:28] Speaker 13: that make the good things even better for you?
[1:41:30] Speaker 6: No? Do?
[1:41:32] Speaker 13: That's thisingenuous, You're argument.
[1:41:33] Speaker 1: That's just ingenuous. You just have a bullshit talking point,
[1:41:36] Speaker 1: and you don't like my answer to it.
[1:41:37] Speaker 13: Really, so you're telling me that when you experience bad
[1:41:39] Speaker 13: things and then something good happens, you don't appreciate the
[1:41:42] Speaker 13: good because something bad happen. You're just saying you only
[1:41:45] Speaker 13: what do you experience then just good?
[1:41:48] Speaker 1: I experience everything just like you.
[1:41:50] Speaker 13: Okay, And you're dude, this is so disingenuous to say
[1:41:53] Speaker 13: that you don't feel like when something good happens after
[1:41:56] Speaker 13: something bad has happened. Let's say you have a bad
[1:41:57] Speaker 13: period for a week and something good happened. Okay, it
[1:42:01] Speaker 13: feels even better that a good thing happened. In comparison
[1:42:05] Speaker 13: to having a year where only good things happen, it
[1:42:07] Speaker 13: doesn't feel the same. Is there something bad happening?
[1:42:09] Speaker 1: Are you happy that you don't have cancer?
[1:42:12] Speaker 13: So I'm happy that I don't have cancer. I'm impartial
[1:42:16] Speaker 13: you're impartial.
[1:42:16] Speaker 1: You're not happy that you don't have cancer? What a
[1:42:18] Speaker 1: bullshit answer. Wait wait, I'm a liar. The amount lies.
[1:42:23] Speaker 1: You have to tell yourself, I'm doing what you're doing. Okay.
[1:42:26] Speaker 1: So here, you're indifferent to whether or not you have cancer.
[1:42:29] Speaker 13: I'm impartial.
[1:42:29] Speaker 2: Okay.
[1:42:30] Speaker 1: So you don't know what is good unless you experience
[1:42:32] Speaker 1: bad You have no concept of of what you enjoy
[1:42:35] Speaker 1: unless you're being tortured.
[1:42:37] Speaker 13: Wit. Wait wait, so let's say I answer your questions.
[1:42:39] Speaker 13: I'm rordering in bad faith just so you know. Ye, yes,
[1:42:41] Speaker 13: I'm happy. I'm happy that I don't have cancer. But
[1:42:44] Speaker 13: I'm happy that I don't have cancer because I felt
[1:42:46] Speaker 13: the emotion and the bad of seeing someone with cancer,
[1:42:50] Speaker 13: knowing the consequences of cancer, so I can see it
[1:42:53] Speaker 13: and I can emotionally conceptualize it. So therefore I'm happy
[1:42:57] Speaker 13: I don't have it because my I can. Because here's
[1:42:59] Speaker 13: the thing. In a perfect world, you wouldn't experience even
[1:43:02] Speaker 13: a bad thought.
[1:43:03] Speaker 1: So you don't even need to experience badness to magnify
[1:43:06] Speaker 1: goodness in your world view. You just need to know
[1:43:09] Speaker 1: that badness exists. Well, listen, you say, de bunch, your
[1:43:13] Speaker 1: whole talking point, You don't even need to experience bad
[1:43:16] Speaker 1: to know what good is, because all you need to
[1:43:19] Speaker 1: know is the possibility of bad.
[1:43:23] Speaker 13: No, No, I was giving you. Wait, I was giving
[1:43:25] Speaker 13: you an example of why now I can be both physical,
[1:43:28] Speaker 13: physical and emotion and mental.
[1:43:29] Speaker 1: Yes, yes, and it's And it defeated your prior talking point.
[1:43:32] Speaker 13: I know I would give you an example. You were
[1:43:35] Speaker 13: trying to argue, how cancer if I haven't physically had it,
[1:43:39] Speaker 13: am I happy I don't have it?
[1:43:40] Speaker 1: I was giving you how can you be happy if
[1:43:42] Speaker 1: for not having cancer, if you don't have it, if
[1:43:45] Speaker 1: if you've never experienced cancer, how could you possibly be
[1:43:47] Speaker 1: happy that you don't have cancer?
[1:43:50] Speaker 13: And I answer that by saying, I can. I've seen
[1:43:52] Speaker 13: people who have suffered the consequences of cancer. That bad view.
[1:43:56] Speaker 1: Okay, it yes, because you're aware of the possibility, right,
[1:43:59] Speaker 1: But you don't have to experience the bad thing to
[1:44:02] Speaker 1: know that the bad thing is bad. You just need
[1:44:05] Speaker 1: to be aware of the possibility. But that being said,
[1:44:07] Speaker 1: even before you are aware of the possibility, you would
[1:44:10] Speaker 1: have been perfectly happy that you were healthy, which is
[1:44:13] Speaker 1: again there's not in line with everything we know from
[1:44:17] Speaker 1: psychology that that's why children are happy because they don't
[1:44:20] Speaker 1: know things. They're unaware of things.
[1:44:23] Speaker 13: Children do experience bad things, my friends.
[1:44:26] Speaker 1: I'm sure. I'm sure some of them do. But they
[1:44:28] Speaker 1: have every child, but they have a much but they
[1:44:31] Speaker 1: have a much lower experience level with badness as adults do.
[1:44:37] Speaker 13: Okay, so fine, So then let's just say that you
[1:44:40] Speaker 13: are right, because you're not going to concede to anything said.
[1:44:42] Speaker 13: You never do in a perfect world, wouldn't you have
[1:44:46] Speaker 13: to posit God?
[1:44:47] Speaker 6: No?
[1:44:48] Speaker 13: Okay, so you're saying if there was this world where
[1:44:50] Speaker 13: you are me and you were having a conversation in
[1:44:52] Speaker 13: person and you go to swing at me.
[1:44:54] Speaker 1: All this has nothing to do with the God you
[1:44:57] Speaker 1: actually believe in. You keep making these really bad arguments
[1:45:01] Speaker 1: that are going to land on God, but none of
[1:45:03] Speaker 1: these arguments are for your specific God.
[1:45:06] Speaker 13: Well, by the way, the reason we got here is
[1:45:08] Speaker 13: because I explained you that I believe there is he
[1:45:10] Speaker 13: provides evidence of it.
[1:45:12] Speaker 1: Then what the evidence is? What's the evidence that your
[1:45:15] Speaker 1: God is real?
[1:45:17] Speaker 4: All right?
[1:45:17] Speaker 13: So as we as things get more complex, it requires
[1:45:21] Speaker 13: more complex creator?
[1:45:22] Speaker 1: No, your God? What's the evidence for your God?
[1:45:24] Speaker 13: Correct?
[1:45:25] Speaker 20: So I'm not talking about.
[1:45:26] Speaker 1: A generic god. I'm gonna talking about a deist God.
[1:45:28] Speaker 1: I'm not talking about a Muslim God. I'm talking about
[1:45:31] Speaker 1: your specific God. What is the evidence that your specific
[1:45:35] Speaker 1: God is the one responsible for everything?
[1:45:37] Speaker 13: Yeah, so the argumentations for God would just fall under
[1:45:40] Speaker 13: a general god. It wouldn't be for my God.
[1:45:42] Speaker 1: Well, I want one for your specific God because specifically,
[1:45:45] Speaker 1: if you don't have an argument for your specific God,
[1:45:48] Speaker 1: then I don't believe in that specific God. And if
[1:45:51] Speaker 1: I don't believe in that specific God, then I go
[1:45:54] Speaker 1: to Hell. I can believe in the Muslim God, I
[1:45:58] Speaker 1: can believe in the Hindu gods. I can believe in
[1:46:00] Speaker 1: all these other gods, and I still end up in Hell.
[1:46:03] Speaker 1: So it doesn't matter if you believe in God. This
[1:46:05] Speaker 1: this discussion is about whether or not you're a Christian.
[1:46:08] Speaker 1: So what is the compelling evidence that would that that
[1:46:11] Speaker 1: would tell people that you should be a Christian?
[1:46:15] Speaker 13: So every so all all the actual compelling evidence I
[1:46:17] Speaker 13: would I would give would fall back to the Bible,
[1:46:19] Speaker 13: which you don't believe is even written by the people,
[1:46:21] Speaker 13: was written by or you don't believe it.
[1:46:24] Speaker 1: Give me a reason why I should There's no Well,
[1:46:27] Speaker 1: there wouldn't be a purpose, dude, because I know the
[1:46:29] Speaker 1: Bible and you don't.
[1:46:31] Speaker 13: No, no, No, it's because you don't believe the Bible
[1:46:34] Speaker 13: to be true or even written.
[1:46:35] Speaker 1: When we believe it, I can prove me wrong.
[1:46:36] Speaker 13: Then you're not gonna You're not gonna believe anything anyone says.
[1:46:41] Speaker 13: You're not going to.
[1:46:41] Speaker 1: Okay, so you can't do it?
[1:46:42] Speaker 13: What do you mean? Cool guy, I've watched you.
[1:46:45] Speaker 3: You can tap.
[1:46:47] Speaker 7: I'm not.
[1:46:49] Speaker 1: I take your obsession.
[1:46:50] Speaker 13: Now, justin do you believe the Bible to be true? Yes?
[1:46:55] Speaker 13: Or no? You're asking me to prove to you my
[1:46:58] Speaker 13: God exists. I'm going to I'm going to revert to
[1:47:01] Speaker 13: the Bible and off the rip. You don't believe the
[1:47:04] Speaker 13: Bible to be true regardless, or you don't even believe
[1:47:07] Speaker 13: that it was written when they say it was written,
[1:47:09] Speaker 13: yes or no?
[1:47:10] Speaker 1: Uh, well we have evidence that it wasn't written when
[1:47:12] Speaker 1: it was claimed to have been written.
[1:47:13] Speaker 13: So okay, okay, exactly. So that's what I'm saying. So
[1:47:16] Speaker 13: you're going to revert back to that every single time.
[1:47:19] Speaker 1: So my disbelief in the Bible is rooted in evidence.
[1:47:22] Speaker 1: Do you have evidence of the contrary?
[1:47:26] Speaker 13: So I would say in regards to the Bible, no,
[1:47:29] Speaker 13: because what you're gonna say, because I believe that the Bible.
[1:47:31] Speaker 1: Was so you literally just said that God has given
[1:47:35] Speaker 1: us all the evidence we need to believe in Him
[1:47:37] Speaker 1: and this Christian faith, and now you're telling me there's
[1:47:40] Speaker 1: no fucking evidence. No, no, no again, every sucking gas
[1:47:45] Speaker 1: lighting from you Christians are unbelievable evidence. Tell you if
[1:47:49] Speaker 1: God gave, if God gave everybody the evidence, where is it?
[1:47:54] Speaker 13: Uhweet? Wait, let me be clear. You don't believe in
[1:47:57] Speaker 13: the Bible.
[1:47:57] Speaker 4: I do.
[1:47:58] Speaker 13: You're gonna ask me for proof.
[1:48:00] Speaker 1: I mean, what the Bible says in a certain time.
[1:48:01] Speaker 13: You're asked for proof the Bible was written in a
[1:48:03] Speaker 13: certain time. People disagree on this all the time. That's
[1:48:07] Speaker 13: the thing. It's your belief against mine. So also, the
[1:48:11] Speaker 13: only evidence I have outside of the Bible is Clement
[1:48:13] Speaker 13: of Rome, which you're going to discredit as well, because
[1:48:15] Speaker 13: you're gonna say that Clement of Rome wasn't born when
[1:48:17] Speaker 13: they say he was born.
[1:48:19] Speaker 1: What does Clement of Room have to do with whout
[1:48:20] Speaker 1: the Bible is true?
[1:48:22] Speaker 13: Because Clement of Rome references Paul and Peter, which gives
[1:48:26] Speaker 13: which acknowledges that Paul and Peter's existence exists.
[1:48:29] Speaker 1: I never said Paul and Peter didn't exist.
[1:48:31] Speaker 13: You believe Paul and Peter were martyred.
[1:48:34] Speaker 1: I don't know if Peter was. I suspect Paul probably
[1:48:38] Speaker 1: died in prison or as a martyr.
[1:48:40] Speaker 2: But okay, so.
[1:48:43] Speaker 13: The problem.
[1:48:44] Speaker 1: I do believe that Peter could have been martyred, but
[1:48:47] Speaker 1: I don't believe the legendary account about him being crucified
[1:48:49] Speaker 1: upside down because the only record we have of that
[1:48:53] Speaker 1: also says that dogs were talking, and babies at their
[1:48:57] Speaker 1: mother's teeth were giving speeches, and then Simon and megas
[1:49:00] Speaker 1: could fly through the air.
[1:49:02] Speaker 13: No, No, just regard the Bible or speaking on Clement.
[1:49:04] Speaker 13: Here's the thing, Clement, maybe you're listening.
[1:49:07] Speaker 1: I said, the text that we have that records the
[1:49:09] Speaker 1: actual martyrdom of Peter, like how it happened, also says
[1:49:14] Speaker 1: that dogs and babies were giving speeches and that a
[1:49:17] Speaker 1: magic man was flying through the air.
[1:49:20] Speaker 13: Okay, Clement's writings, No, I'm relerring.
[1:49:24] Speaker 1: To the apocryphal works of Peter, which is where he
[1:49:26] Speaker 1: gets the narration of Peter's martyrdom.
[1:49:30] Speaker 13: So allow me to say, this is what I'm saying.
[1:49:33] Speaker 13: If Clement, who was outside of the Bible, Okay, references
[1:49:38] Speaker 13: to Paul and Peter in the In the Marring of Paul,
[1:49:41] Speaker 13: there was a consistency between Paul and Clement, at least
[1:49:45] Speaker 13: acknowledging that Paul was martyr. Peter also was mentioned in
[1:49:49] Speaker 13: Clement's letters. So if you so, here's the thing.
[1:49:52] Speaker 1: People I know talks about the martyrdom of Peter and Paul.
[1:49:57] Speaker 1: I don't care. Okay, five, By the way, I know
[1:50:00] Speaker 1: what it says.
[1:50:01] Speaker 13: So why does Paul say, Well, why was Paul martyr?
[1:50:04] Speaker 1: Well, both of them were martyred for disrupting.
[1:50:06] Speaker 13: The piece, okay, and what was disrupting the piece.
[1:50:11] Speaker 1: Worshiping another king. That's why in Acts chapter seventeen, they're
[1:50:16] Speaker 1: almost martyred in Acts chapter seventeen for doing that, for
[1:50:19] Speaker 1: saying that there's another king other than Caesar.
[1:50:23] Speaker 7: Right.
[1:50:23] Speaker 13: But the issue is, well, the reason I'm referencing this
[1:50:25] Speaker 13: is because people that are atheists typically believe that Paul
[1:50:29] Speaker 13: the books of Peter and Paul weren't written by them.
[1:50:32] Speaker 1: Well, I don't think Peter was written by Peter. I
[1:50:34] Speaker 1: think the letters of Paul there are some of them
[1:50:36] Speaker 1: that are authentic to Paul, though.
[1:50:38] Speaker 13: But Clement's letter almost confirmed the actual writings were done
[1:50:42] Speaker 13: by Peter.
[1:50:42] Speaker 1: No, he certainly doesn't.
[1:50:44] Speaker 13: There's correspondence between the two.
[1:50:47] Speaker 1: Yes, and he doesn't give a list of all of
[1:50:49] Speaker 1: the undisputed Grayson, I don't know. I don't know why
[1:50:53] Speaker 1: you're begging to get muted every time I talk. First,
[1:50:57] Speaker 1: Clement doesn't do the thing that you said it does.
[1:50:59] Speaker 1: It doesn't claim that the epistles of Paul are all true.
[1:51:06] Speaker 13: So wait to be clear, are you saying, because what
[1:51:08] Speaker 13: do you believe that that Peter was written one hundred
[1:51:12] Speaker 13: years or sorry, one hundred fift years after when they
[1:51:14] Speaker 13: say it was wrote.
[1:51:16] Speaker 1: I think Peter is late. I think Peter has written,
[1:51:19] Speaker 1: probably already after the fall of Jerusalem, maybe before the
[1:51:25] Speaker 1: bar Koka revolt. I have no reason to believe that
[1:51:28] Speaker 1: it was written by Peter. I think Paul did write
[1:51:31] Speaker 1: authentic letters. But it's also irrelevant to me. It doesn't
[1:51:34] Speaker 1: matter to me if they wrote him or not. It
[1:51:35] Speaker 1: doesn't make them true.
[1:51:37] Speaker 13: Okay, So then why was Clement writing of things that
[1:51:41] Speaker 13: occurred before or when you believe it was written.
[1:51:46] Speaker 1: What did he write about?
[1:51:48] Speaker 13: He was worrying about Peter and Paul's the martyring of
[1:51:51] Speaker 13: them Excity.
[1:51:52] Speaker 1: I don't know if you're listening to me. I already
[1:51:54] Speaker 1: told you that they probably were martyred by the Romans.
[1:51:56] Speaker 1: That doesn't mean anything to me. The Romans martyred a
[1:51:59] Speaker 1: lot of people.
[1:52:01] Speaker 13: I don't think you understand what I'm saying.
[1:52:03] Speaker 1: I don't think you understand what you're saying. I'm saying
[1:52:06] Speaker 1: that I don't care if Peter and Paul died at
[1:52:08] Speaker 1: the hands of the Romans. It's not meaningful to me.
[1:52:10] Speaker 1: It doesn't make the Bible true.
[1:52:14] Speaker 13: Oh that's not what I was trying to say.
[1:52:16] Speaker 3: Man, all right, The.
[1:52:17] Speaker 1: Argument here is what is the evidence that would warrant
[1:52:20] Speaker 1: me believing that the Bible is true? And you went
[1:52:22] Speaker 1: to first Clement.
[1:52:25] Speaker 13: Because Clement also acknowledged is the crucifixion of Christ.
[1:52:28] Speaker 1: So what a lot of people are so now? It
[1:52:31] Speaker 1: is the crucifixion of Christ. A lot of people got crucified.
[1:52:34] Speaker 13: Wait, because now what you have Listen clear, listen closely.
[1:52:38] Speaker 13: You have Clement acknowledging the crucifixion of Christ, in conjunction
[1:52:43] Speaker 13: with the acknowledging that Peter and Paul did exist, in
[1:52:46] Speaker 13: conjunction with the acknowledge that I was.
[1:52:48] Speaker 1: Really behind I'm not a mythicist, Grayson. Grayson, just the
[1:52:53] Speaker 1: fuck up for a second. I am not a mythicist.
[1:52:56] Speaker 1: I believe that Paul existed. I believe that Peter exis.
[1:53:00] Speaker 1: Did I believe that Jesus existed. I believe that he
[1:53:02] Speaker 1: was crucified. You're arguing the wrong argument. Give me the
[1:53:06] Speaker 1: argument that lands on the Bible being true.
[1:53:09] Speaker 7: I just did.
[1:53:10] Speaker 13: Okay, First of all, I'm arguing now for the actual
[1:53:12] Speaker 13: crucifixion in the resurrection of Christ.
[1:53:15] Speaker 1: No, you're arguing for the crucifixion. Give me the evidence
[1:53:18] Speaker 1: for the resurrection.
[1:53:20] Speaker 13: Yes, because Paul was martyred because he was worshiping another king.
[1:53:25] Speaker 13: But he also believed that the Christ was rose to
[1:53:27] Speaker 13: the dead. Yes or no.
[1:53:29] Speaker 1: Yes, because he fell off his horse and bumped his head.
[1:53:31] Speaker 1: Did he witness the resurrection?
[1:53:34] Speaker 7: You have a court.
[1:53:35] Speaker 1: Did he wusiness the resurrection?
[1:53:38] Speaker 13: Did he not himself? Peter?
[1:53:40] Speaker 1: Did he witness the resurrection? It's a yes or no?
[1:53:45] Speaker 4: He did?
[1:53:46] Speaker 13: Peter did?
[1:53:47] Speaker 1: Okay, and I don't believe Peter wrote Peter. I already
[1:53:49] Speaker 1: talked about that.
[1:53:50] Speaker 13: But Peter is mentioned Clement, which acknowledges is it.
[1:53:52] Speaker 1: I don't care. Clement had nothing to do with who
[1:53:56] Speaker 1: wrote the epistles of Peter.
[1:53:59] Speaker 13: Okay, what I'm saying, okay, all I'm trying to argue
[1:54:01] Speaker 13: to you to what you're not seeing. The grasp is
[1:54:03] Speaker 13: there is connections between all these story and there's proof
[1:54:07] Speaker 13: of their existence which would prove that at least.
[1:54:09] Speaker 1: But I already told you I believe they existed. You're
[1:54:12] Speaker 1: barking up the wrong tree.
[1:54:15] Speaker 4: Wait.
[1:54:15] Speaker 13: Wait, not just that they existed. You're missing the point
[1:54:19] Speaker 13: many who were asking for you're asking for evidence. I'm
[1:54:21] Speaker 13: telling you listen closely, justin Okay, you're not listening.
[1:54:24] Speaker 1: The evidence is that Jesus, Peter, and Paul existed.
[1:54:27] Speaker 13: I know I need you to listen closely. You're not
[1:54:31] Speaker 13: grasping what I'm saying. You don't just have the existence
[1:54:34] Speaker 13: of somebody. You have a person who is speaking on
[1:54:38] Speaker 13: the of the crucifixion of Christ. Not just that was
[1:54:42] Speaker 13: he there also, but also on Paul. But was he
[1:54:45] Speaker 13: there also? Okay, Paul was also?
[1:54:47] Speaker 4: Mark? Was he there?
[1:54:49] Speaker 13: I already said Paul wasn't.
[1:54:51] Speaker 1: Okay, so Paul wasn't there, And we have no idea
[1:54:53] Speaker 1: if Peter wrote Peter. In fact, most scholars agree that
[1:54:57] Speaker 1: Peter didn't write Peter.
[1:54:58] Speaker 13: You're cutting me off before it can actually in the plane.
[1:55:00] Speaker 1: Because you keep repeating yourself. Now, now we're tired of
[1:55:03] Speaker 1: hearing you cook yourself and repeat. So you guys want
[1:55:07] Speaker 1: to know why I don't trust the Bible. I want
[1:55:09] Speaker 1: to make this a shorter conversation.
[1:55:11] Speaker 13: I'm all said, because you're cutting me off and saying
[1:55:13] Speaker 13: again in the convers.
[1:55:13] Speaker 1: Because it says things that are clearly untrue.
[1:55:16] Speaker 13: Wait wait, wait, wait, that's a whole different topic to address,
[1:55:19] Speaker 13: not at all. You didn't let me finish my claim.
[1:55:22] Speaker 1: Okay, that's fine, go ahead and give me the argument
[1:55:24] Speaker 1: that lands on on the resurrection being real.
[1:55:27] Speaker 13: Yeah, because when I'm saying real, I'm saying we have
[1:55:30] Speaker 13: evidence for it.
[1:55:31] Speaker 1: What's the evidence?
[1:55:33] Speaker 13: Okay, I just told you if if Clement only referenced
[1:55:36] Speaker 13: the crucifixion, then I would say to you, yeah, that
[1:55:39] Speaker 13: isn't really enough evidence. But when he referenced Peter as
[1:55:43] Speaker 13: well in the in the Martyring of Peter, which is
[1:55:46] Speaker 13: in the Bible, So there's a correlation there. When he
[1:55:49] Speaker 13: also mentions Paul in his in his story, there's a
[1:55:52] Speaker 13: correlation there.
[1:55:54] Speaker 1: Told you I believe they exist. Get to the point
[1:55:56] Speaker 1: Holy shit.
[1:55:57] Speaker 13: Oh wait, wait, so did Peter. Let me ask your question.
[1:55:59] Speaker 13: You believe they? Did Peter say he saw Christ?
[1:56:02] Speaker 1: We don't know what Peter said other than if you
[1:56:04] Speaker 1: believe the Gospels are true, and I don't.
[1:56:09] Speaker 13: I'm saying, you acknowledge that Peter exists, Clement acknowledge that,
[1:56:13] Speaker 13: and then you have him in the actual He have
[1:56:14] Speaker 13: his writings, and you're saying that these.
[1:56:16] Speaker 1: Are we not have his writings.
[1:56:17] Speaker 13: That's why I'm saying, Well, your claiming is that he
[1:56:20] Speaker 13: didn't write them. I'm saying he did. But anyway, dude,
[1:56:21] Speaker 13: it's not worth the conversation. Is there anything else you
[1:56:23] Speaker 13: want to say? I'll let you give a closing statement.
[1:56:25] Speaker 1: I don't need clothing statement. It's my life. I think
[1:56:27] Speaker 1: you're very confused about so so, Gracy, you don't actually
[1:56:32] Speaker 1: want to read the Bible with me? Then you're terrified
[1:56:36] Speaker 1: of the Bible, then, is what I'm hearing.
[1:56:38] Speaker 13: Well, no, I know what you're gonna do.
[1:56:39] Speaker 1: Just say if you're scared of the Bible, just say so.
[1:56:41] Speaker 1: Say I'm too scared to read the Bible.
[1:56:44] Speaker 13: I don't want to read the Old Testament with you.
[1:56:46] Speaker 1: We can read anything you want. To you want to,
[1:56:48] Speaker 1: you have to read some of it. And first of all,
[1:56:49] Speaker 1: why are you scared of the Old Testament.
[1:56:51] Speaker 2: I'm not.
[1:56:52] Speaker 13: I'm saying I know it. Really you're gonna pivot to
[1:56:53] Speaker 13: the Old Testament and use the Old Testament and things
[1:56:55] Speaker 13: that occur to.
[1:56:56] Speaker 1: Say, Okay, no, that wasn't my well I'm going to
[1:56:59] Speaker 1: do at all.
[1:57:00] Speaker 13: I've already give you the reason why.
[1:57:01] Speaker 1: I wasn't gonna do that at all. Grayson, you want
[1:57:04] Speaker 1: to actually read the Bible with me?
[1:57:06] Speaker 13: What you always do, my friend?
[1:57:07] Speaker 1: Would you like to read the Bible with me?
[1:57:09] Speaker 3: Yes?
[1:57:09] Speaker 6: Or no?
[1:57:10] Speaker 1: Which verses We're gonna read a bunch of them? Don't
[1:57:13] Speaker 1: be a coward?
[1:57:15] Speaker 2: What do you mean?
[1:57:15] Speaker 3: It's okay.
[1:57:16] Speaker 1: If you're terrified of your.
[1:57:17] Speaker 13: Book, you're gonna gaslate me to stakes.
[1:57:21] Speaker 1: We'll start with one you might have actually read is
[1:57:23] Speaker 1: Isaiah sixty one, very familiar passage. The spirit of the
[1:57:26] Speaker 1: Lord God is upon me, because the Lord has anointed me,
[1:57:28] Speaker 1: has sent me to bring good news to the oppressed,
[1:57:31] Speaker 1: to bind up the broken hearted, to proclaim liberty to
[1:57:33] Speaker 1: the captives and release to the prisoners, to proclaim the
[1:57:36] Speaker 1: year of the Lord's favor in the day of the
[1:57:39] Speaker 1: vengeance of our God, to comfort all who mourn, and
[1:57:42] Speaker 1: to provide for those who mourn in Zion. Who's the
[1:57:45] Speaker 1: prophet writing to here?
[1:57:47] Speaker 13: Hey, if you guys need someone to converse with, if
[1:57:50] Speaker 13: you're having a hard time dealing with things, Okay, so.
[1:57:51] Speaker 1: You're not capable of actually engaging like an adult, I'll
[1:57:54] Speaker 1: give you one more try. Would you like to engage
[1:57:56] Speaker 1: in a little bit of reading of the Book of
[1:57:58] Speaker 1: Isaiah with me? Oh no, he's just gonna drop and run.
[1:58:01] Speaker 1: They're so terrified of their Bible that there's nothing that
[1:58:05] Speaker 1: terrifies a Christian more than reading their Bible with them.
[1:58:08] Speaker 1: It is literally the only thing you need to convert
[1:58:11] Speaker 1: people into atheists is just to beat them with the
[1:58:13] Speaker 1: Bible for a while. Raise it to me. He really
[1:58:16] Speaker 1: thought he did himself proud there. All right, we got
[1:58:20] Speaker 1: a bunch of super chats guys. I'm so sorry, so
[1:58:24] Speaker 1: sorry that I got backed up a little bit, but
[1:58:27] Speaker 1: we're gonna we'll get through some of these. Thank you
[1:58:30] Speaker 1: so much for the super chats to go as. I
[1:58:32] Speaker 1: really do appreciate it. I think we're probably Oh this
[1:58:38] Speaker 1: is interesting. Thank you so much sapiens for the ten
[1:58:41] Speaker 1: of our supertest says, I sent an email suggesting a
[1:58:43] Speaker 1: new topic. The new Covenant is slavery. I promised a
[1:58:48] Speaker 1: super chat for it. Close enough, Well, big w, I
[1:58:50] Speaker 1: appreciate the super chat, and I think we're pretty damn close. Actually,
[1:58:55] Speaker 1: the new Covenant is slavery. That kind of in line
[1:58:58] Speaker 1: with the topic we're doing tonight. You know what I mean?
[1:59:02] Speaker 1: This This really is Stockholm syndrome, basically is that. But anyways,
[1:59:07] Speaker 1: we'll put a topic together for that. Pat, Pat, thank
[1:59:10] Speaker 1: you for the five douch of pretest says. Contradictions and
[1:59:12] Speaker 1: worst bits are what I have studied very well, but
[1:59:15] Speaker 1: I was curious where to look next as a good
[1:59:18] Speaker 1: landing spot for study. You mean in the deconstruction cheat sheet.
[1:59:20] Speaker 1: Those are two tabs in the cheat sheet. My next
[1:59:24] Speaker 1: favorite tab in the cheat sheet is probably going to be.
[1:59:31] Speaker 2: Let's see.
[1:59:34] Speaker 1: The worst bits and the contradictions are the funnest. I
[1:59:37] Speaker 1: would go next to the failed prophecies tab. That's a
[1:59:41] Speaker 1: good one. Also, hope we just read that one. There
[1:59:47] Speaker 1: we go, Ray, thank you for the five dollars. Pretest says,
[1:59:50] Speaker 1: with all these audio problems, you can tell who didn't
[1:59:53] Speaker 1: pay their ties. Doug said, none shall pass all I held,
[1:59:59] Speaker 1: Doug praised the Rock of Salvation. Thank you so much,
[2:00:02] Speaker 1: Raith and Emer. Good to see again tonight. Thank you
[2:00:05] Speaker 1: for the Superchase says, as AI advances learning, adapting, and
[2:00:09] Speaker 1: mimicking thought, will it expose the soul as an outdated concept?
[2:00:15] Speaker 1: Could AI force a full rethinking of consciousness? I think
[2:00:18] Speaker 1: it could. Actually, I'm on board with you. I think
[2:00:20] Speaker 1: eventually AI will get to the point where it's like
[2:00:24] Speaker 1: as sentient as human beings. But it's kind of terrifying
[2:00:27] Speaker 1: to think of it. But once we get to that point,
[2:00:29] Speaker 1: there's difficult conversations that we need to have, which is like,
[2:00:32] Speaker 1: do these sentient AI beings do they get rights? Do
[2:00:38] Speaker 1: they get human rights like humans? Or how do we
[2:00:41] Speaker 1: deal with them? Right, Carrie, thank you for the six
[2:00:43] Speaker 1: sixty six Superchase says, there's no way the Christian dog
[2:00:46] Speaker 1: loves all Christian God, I think loves all humans. There's
[2:00:50] Speaker 1: no hate like Christian hate. Yeah, you're one hundred percent right.
[2:00:53] Speaker 1: Carry The amount of hate that you get from Christians
[2:00:56] Speaker 1: is wild. They come in here already amped up. There's
[2:01:00] Speaker 1: so angry the minute to get in the box. Emir again,
[2:01:02] Speaker 1: thank you for the Superjet says, just as astronomy and
[2:01:05] Speaker 1: physics have pushed deities out of reality, AI could do
[2:01:08] Speaker 1: the same for the soul to the soul alive. Exploring
[2:01:12] Speaker 1: this shift could spark good debate. I think you're right,
[2:01:15] Speaker 1: and it really would be a good debate. I would
[2:01:18] Speaker 1: definitely enjoy it and our thank you for the five
[2:01:20] Speaker 1: dollar superjet says Typical abusive relationship to callers blaming the victims. Yeah,
[2:01:24] Speaker 1: that's crazy. Yeah, and listen to me, said you need
[2:01:28] Speaker 1: to experience bad things, right? Could you imagine saying that
[2:01:32] Speaker 1: to another human being like your partner? I need you
[2:01:34] Speaker 1: to experience bad things otherwise, listen, you can't know how
[2:01:38] Speaker 1: good I am to you unless you let me, you know,
[2:01:41] Speaker 1: do horrific things to you. That's why Christianity Stockholm syndrome.
[2:01:46] Speaker 1: Thank you, terrifier for the ten doar. Super Chet says,
[2:01:48] Speaker 1: I said a bunch of holy words to my wife
[2:01:50] Speaker 1: just now and had an out of body experience. Immediately
[2:01:53] Speaker 1: I reverted the Catholicism. He's downstairs smoking the sigarette of disappointment.
[2:01:58] Speaker 1: Oh shit, Yeah, listen, that's gonna happen. You're gonna You're
[2:02:01] Speaker 1: gonna have a little bit of that be careful what
[2:02:02] Speaker 1: you say to your spouse. Guys, there's a lot of
[2:02:04] Speaker 1: power in their hands. That's why when someone goes missing
[2:02:07] Speaker 1: or there's a murder, literally, the first person they look to,
[2:02:11] Speaker 1: the first person they look to is the spouse every
[2:02:14] Speaker 1: single time. That is the literally the most likely place
[2:02:18] Speaker 1: where somebody got got crushed. All right, let's grab let's
[2:02:23] Speaker 1: grab the next person in our TikTok q. We'll keep
[2:02:26] Speaker 1: the train rolling. Also, Sapien, thank you for the five
[2:02:30] Speaker 1: two dollars ship protest, says lamon in there for God
[2:02:32] Speaker 1: check may atheists. I know, I know our last one. Tim,
[2:02:36] Speaker 1: thank you so much. Good to see tonight, Tim, though,
[2:02:38] Speaker 1: says Christians watch Saw and think Jigsaw is loving and
[2:02:42] Speaker 1: benevolent for providing his victims the opportunity to survive the
[2:02:45] Speaker 1: situation and put them in all the shit. God is Saw. Guys,
[2:02:49] Speaker 1: you just you just heard it here. Uh, welcome in
[2:02:52] Speaker 1: HEMI HEYMI are at least eighteen and are you a believer?
[2:02:59] Speaker 24: Yeah?
[2:03:00] Speaker 18: Unfortunately I am way over eighteen, and I am still
[2:03:03] Speaker 18: a Christian. But that said, I am very much on
[2:03:07] Speaker 18: the same page with you for ninety percent of everything.
[2:03:11] Speaker 18: What I don't understand is why, Like, so I was
[2:03:14] Speaker 18: raised Church of Christ. You know, the church across the
[2:03:17] Speaker 18: street was going to hell even if they were Church
[2:03:20] Speaker 18: of Christ, you know, because they might have had a
[2:03:23] Speaker 18: you know, they.
[2:03:25] Speaker 5: Looked at a guitar during worship music.
[2:03:27] Speaker 24: You know, who knows. And I've never seen.
[2:03:32] Speaker 18: I never really expected to see so many close people
[2:03:35] Speaker 18: to me, Like, it's not how I was raised, like
[2:03:42] Speaker 18: with the Christianity that's on TV and everything right now,
[2:03:45] Speaker 18: And my best friend and I still talk about this frequently,
[2:03:48] Speaker 18: and the Bible is so much of parable and there
[2:03:52] Speaker 18: are some contradictions throughout that, Like there's if you look
[2:03:55] Speaker 18: at the like if you watch the podcast or anything
[2:03:59] Speaker 18: with theology for people that have gone back and studied
[2:04:04] Speaker 18: this stuff, there just isn't the artifacts that we have,
[2:04:07] Speaker 18: you know, for the proof of you.
[2:04:10] Speaker 24: Know, Jesus Christ being there.
[2:04:12] Speaker 18: Like that said, like there's something to say for this
[2:04:17] Speaker 18: text existing for such a long period of time. I
[2:04:21] Speaker 18: just wish that Christians would come into the chat and say,
[2:04:25] Speaker 18: more of this is my personal belief, you know, and
[2:04:30] Speaker 18: I don't really have a whole lot of proof, and yeah,
[2:04:32] Speaker 18: some of this is kind of fucked up, and I
[2:04:34] Speaker 18: wonder why it's in here, and I don't know, because
[2:04:36] Speaker 18: even the Bible tells you you don't know, because if
[2:04:40] Speaker 18: you claim to know all of it, then you're God.
[2:04:42] Speaker 18: And like, like I just wish that people would would
[2:04:45] Speaker 18: accept the fact that, like, it's not a science, there's
[2:04:50] Speaker 18: no there's just you can't you can't recreate the Bible
[2:04:54] Speaker 18: historically or anything. And there's so many parallels throughout other
[2:05:00] Speaker 18: religions that you know, have so many of the same
[2:05:03] Speaker 18: stories that I just yeah, and I don't know where
[2:05:07] Speaker 18: I'll land with my faith in five, ten, fifteen years
[2:05:09] Speaker 18: from now. You know, it's very, very very hard to
[2:05:13] Speaker 18: come out of the Christian setting whenever your family is
[2:05:18] Speaker 18: in that because it is a Stockholm syndrome in so
[2:05:20] Speaker 18: many ways, because you are taught and you are told
[2:05:24] Speaker 18: that it is the only way, and if you don't
[2:05:29] Speaker 18: by just saying you don't believe or questioning your beliefs,
[2:05:32] Speaker 18: then you therefore become evil.
[2:05:35] Speaker 24: And it's it's a control thing in so many ways.
[2:05:39] Speaker 18: I can't see the God that I was raised with
[2:05:42] Speaker 18: and what I understood it to be sending me to
[2:05:46] Speaker 18: hell for questioning or not believing some of these insane
[2:05:49] Speaker 18: stories in the Bible that said, if I look at
[2:05:53] Speaker 18: what I was taught, I wasn't like they didn't really
[2:05:57] Speaker 18: teach out of the Bible, Like for how I went
[2:05:59] Speaker 18: to cheer and what I went to we.
[2:06:01] Speaker 6: Had to skip over the Old Testament.
[2:06:03] Speaker 24: You have to ignore some of these other stories. If
[2:06:06] Speaker 24: you want to keep your faith.
[2:06:07] Speaker 5: You can't.
[2:06:08] Speaker 24: You don't read children some of these.
[2:06:10] Speaker 18: Horrible war stories and and go home and talk about
[2:06:13] Speaker 18: that at the dinner table.
[2:06:14] Speaker 2: You just don't.
[2:06:15] Speaker 6: And so like, I don't know.
[2:06:17] Speaker 24: I've got a lot of deconstructing ahead. I think it's
[2:06:20] Speaker 24: healthy for people to do that. I just wish that
[2:06:22] Speaker 24: others would say, I don't know.
[2:06:24] Speaker 18: And if you want to say that you're a Christian,
[2:06:26] Speaker 18: like go off of that, Like there's just there's there's
[2:06:30] Speaker 18: nothing wrong with you having a spiritual faith or sitting
[2:06:34] Speaker 18: in meditation or saying you.
[2:06:35] Speaker 24: Don't know, but I don't know.
[2:06:37] Speaker 18: Overall, ninety percent of the stuff that I've heard on
[2:06:39] Speaker 18: your show so far, I love it.
[2:06:41] Speaker 24: I think it's very very.
[2:06:42] Speaker 18: Helpful and people that are trying to reconcile some of
[2:06:46] Speaker 18: these things. I don't think that there's anything inherently wrong
[2:06:49] Speaker 18: with believing something.
[2:06:53] Speaker 5: But I don't think that you should try to prove.
[2:06:55] Speaker 18: Something that is just not provable, like it it's not
[2:06:58] Speaker 18: that's it's just it's a it's foolish.
[2:07:01] Speaker 24: And if you go read some of the people who
[2:07:05] Speaker 24: have studied this and gotten pH ds in it, they
[2:07:09] Speaker 24: have just like it's not a science.
[2:07:11] Speaker 18: It's you can't go make a you can't recreate some
[2:07:15] Speaker 18: of this. If I can't prove a miracle or you know,
[2:07:18] Speaker 18: wave a magic wand to do something, then I don't know.
[2:07:21] Speaker 18: I just I think it's an exhaustive effort for anybody
[2:07:24] Speaker 18: to try to argue that aspect of faith like it's
[2:07:28] Speaker 18: that has nothing to do with it.
[2:07:29] Speaker 4: I don't know.
[2:07:30] Speaker 25: And that's that'll get.
[2:07:32] Speaker 18: In trouble with that with a lot of the Bible
[2:07:33] Speaker 18: people who claim that it's the one and only source
[2:07:35] Speaker 18: of truth.
[2:07:36] Speaker 24: But even the Bible kind of contradicts that with the
[2:07:38] Speaker 24: living word right where English is living.
[2:07:40] Speaker 1: So I don't know, let's keep you in.
[2:07:44] Speaker 24: What's keeping me in?
[2:07:45] Speaker 4: What the faith?
[2:07:47] Speaker 24: Ah, that's been very very hard. Mostly it's it's it's
[2:07:52] Speaker 24: been the Stockholm syndrome of it. I will say it's
[2:07:54] Speaker 24: it's been very very hard.
[2:07:56] Speaker 18: I think that no matter how far away from it
[2:07:59] Speaker 18: that you go when it's ingrained in you that if
[2:08:03] Speaker 18: you don't believe the alternative as hell, that they kind
[2:08:08] Speaker 18: of set themselves up for it in a way that
[2:08:10] Speaker 18: Trump does, right, Like so they kind of pre proactively cover.
[2:08:15] Speaker 24: All of their bases on maintaining that power.
[2:08:20] Speaker 18: Like like if if you stop believing or if you
[2:08:24] Speaker 18: question it, then you know you are going to hell.
[2:08:29] Speaker 24: And so what does it hurt? So what does it
[2:08:31] Speaker 24: hurt to believe? No, I don't believe it's good at all,
[2:08:34] Speaker 24: Like that's I don't believe that. So I so I personally.
[2:08:43] Speaker 18: I can't say that he is one good because and
[2:08:50] Speaker 18: that that'll get me in trouble with a lot of
[2:08:51] Speaker 18: the Christians in my own family, right, And so that
[2:08:53] Speaker 18: that's that's that's a big problem because if if.
[2:08:56] Speaker 24: God created Satan, or if Satan was here.
[2:08:59] Speaker 7: Then I I don't.
[2:09:03] Speaker 18: Then then bad was a part of him, right, Like
[2:09:05] Speaker 18: how could you create something that? How how can how
[2:09:08] Speaker 18: could you create something that was perfect and good if
[2:09:11] Speaker 18: you didn't have a flaw or something in you that
[2:09:14] Speaker 18: was if he was inherently one hundred percent good, then
[2:09:20] Speaker 18: I've never been able to wrap my brain around how
[2:09:23] Speaker 18: how it would have ever come into existence otherwise, And
[2:09:28] Speaker 18: like anybody who tries to argue that with me, they
[2:09:30] Speaker 18: just say, you know, they Some Christians find it super
[2:09:33] Speaker 18: appalling and horrible that I would ever even question that
[2:09:37] Speaker 18: God created Satan or gave him domain over the earth,
[2:09:40] Speaker 18: that I would question.
[2:09:41] Speaker 7: Any of that.
[2:09:41] Speaker 18: And I'm like, well, I'm not questioning it to defy God, right,
[2:09:45] Speaker 18: But like, help, I can't say that that's the case I.
[2:09:52] Speaker 5: I wouldn't.
[2:09:55] Speaker 1: Is capable of forgiving the Jews for their sins.
[2:10:00] Speaker 18: My personal opinion doesn't really reflect that of most of
[2:10:04] Speaker 18: the popular Christians, But personally, I have a very hard
[2:10:08] Speaker 18: time believing that any God would send people the hell
[2:10:11] Speaker 18: in a world that you can't discern and decipher information,
[2:10:15] Speaker 18: Like I never want to make a blanket statement like that, No,
[2:10:18] Speaker 18: we're not supposed to judge.
[2:10:20] Speaker 1: Okay, So if I can forgive the sins of the
[2:10:23] Speaker 1: Jews and they don't believe in Jesus, then why can't
[2:10:25] Speaker 1: he forgive anyone else's sins? What's preventing God from just
[2:10:29] Speaker 1: forgiving people's sins?
[2:10:32] Speaker 16: Yeah?
[2:10:32] Speaker 18: And that I mean, I've struggled with that too. I
[2:10:34] Speaker 18: don't have a good answer for it, Like I feel like,
[2:10:37] Speaker 18: it's a pretty hard line.
[2:10:39] Speaker 6: I don't.
[2:10:40] Speaker 24: It's it's something I can't answer as a Christian.
[2:10:43] Speaker 1: I can't answer that, right, So it sounds to me
[2:10:46] Speaker 1: like you are suffering from Stockholm syndrome. Still, oh well, I.
[2:10:50] Speaker 24: Mean that's it's fair. I'm in Texas, so like it's.
[2:10:55] Speaker 1: So like, I mean, you you know, think about this,
[2:10:59] Speaker 1: this concept of hell. Right, God theoretically is sending people
[2:11:05] Speaker 1: to hell, but he doesn't actually give anyone the evidence
[2:11:08] Speaker 1: that they need to believe in him, which means he's
[2:11:13] Speaker 1: not giving people the chance. He knows what would convince
[2:11:16] Speaker 1: people of the message, and he doesn't give it to them,
[2:11:19] Speaker 1: which means every individual that dies and goes to Hell
[2:11:22] Speaker 1: does so because God failed on his part to provide
[2:11:26] Speaker 1: the evidence that they need. Isn't it silly that, like
[2:11:28] Speaker 1: your eternal fate should come down to whether or not
[2:11:30] Speaker 1: you're convinced of something?
[2:11:34] Speaker 24: And I agree.
[2:11:35] Speaker 18: I've heard you say that, and not just you, but
[2:11:37] Speaker 18: of other people, right, And I agree with that. It's
[2:11:41] Speaker 18: it is the hardest part when it comes down to
[2:11:46] Speaker 18: the fact that I don't feel like I should love
[2:11:51] Speaker 18: God or be a Christian because I'm in fear of
[2:11:54] Speaker 18: the alternative, right, I don't feel like that's true.
[2:11:57] Speaker 24: I don't.
[2:11:58] Speaker 18: I don't feel and I do feel like it's a
[2:12:00] Speaker 18: bit insane, Like I don't, I don't think it's I don't.
[2:12:05] Speaker 1: Think it sounds like you're going through some healthy deconstruction.
[2:12:08] Speaker 1: I would recommend definitely joining our Deconstruction discord server in
[2:12:13] Speaker 1: my link tree. I think you really like it. And
[2:12:15] Speaker 1: the community just keeps getting bigger and bigger. So I'm
[2:12:17] Speaker 1: excited about that. And it's not just full of heathen
[2:12:20] Speaker 1: atheists like me. There's a bunch of people that are
[2:12:23] Speaker 1: deconstructed or deconstructing on there. We'd love to have you
[2:12:26] Speaker 1: part of the community.
[2:12:28] Speaker 18: Yeah, I will definitely check it out. I'm like I said,
[2:12:31] Speaker 18: these questions aren't new. I've always questioned, and I've always
[2:12:35] Speaker 18: had my own, you know what, I have some notes
[2:12:38] Speaker 18: in the Bible and different things like that, unpopular opinions.
[2:12:42] Speaker 24: I think that it's I would just encourage anybody else
[2:12:46] Speaker 24: that like it's okay to like I guess at some
[2:12:50] Speaker 24: point in time, I've kind of gotten to it. It's
[2:12:52] Speaker 24: like it's like you get to the point where it's like, well,
[2:12:53] Speaker 24: if I'm.
[2:12:54] Speaker 18: Asking these questions alone, I'm not going to let people
[2:12:57] Speaker 18: make me a fear of this. You know, it's just
[2:13:00] Speaker 18: it's it's a horrible, horrible cult like mentality. And I
[2:13:04] Speaker 18: do believe that seeing this in outplay out in all
[2:13:07] Speaker 18: of our politics, it just shows the power and the
[2:13:12] Speaker 18: threat to power that this has because if they can
[2:13:14] Speaker 18: make you fear not only your life but your eternity,
[2:13:19] Speaker 18: then like we have good people that behave just out
[2:13:23] Speaker 18: of fear, and like that's not freedom, Like I just
[2:13:28] Speaker 18: I don't know, and that's all I'm gonna say.
[2:13:30] Speaker 24: Anyways, I appreciate your your stuff. Keep doing what you're doing.
[2:13:33] Speaker 24: Everybody else in the chat you'll have been fun and
[2:13:35] Speaker 24: fun and anyways, yeah, all.
[2:13:38] Speaker 1: Right, well, thank you so much for being here. Good
[2:13:39] Speaker 1: to hear from you. Big W for deconstructing, Keep up,
[2:13:43] Speaker 1: keep in touch with us.
[2:13:43] Speaker 24: Okay, well, do keep going with your thanks.
[2:13:47] Speaker 1: Heears a big W for deconstructing. It's not easy, you
[2:13:52] Speaker 1: know what I mean, This is what it is. Let's
[2:13:55] Speaker 1: grab someone from our YouTube que I'm gonna read a
[2:13:58] Speaker 1: couple of super chats guys, and then we're gonna grab
[2:14:00] Speaker 1: mister Morpheus from our YouTube queue master Sheeter. Good to
[2:14:04] Speaker 1: see you tonight. Thank you for the ten that our
[2:14:05] Speaker 1: supertest says. Dudes could be following Satan. They would say,
[2:14:09] Speaker 1: we don't understand the mind of God, but we know
[2:14:11] Speaker 1: he has a purpose with his evil. How do you
[2:14:14] Speaker 1: know your God is evil? If you can never know,
[2:14:17] Speaker 1: you know what? I wanted to ask that question so bad,
[2:14:19] Speaker 1: but I I the problem is it It derails the
[2:14:23] Speaker 1: conversation and I was not wanting to derail the conversation
[2:14:26] Speaker 1: just just yet. Also, oh shit, doctor Joe is licensed
[2:14:32] Speaker 1: in Texas. Sorry, doctor, I just saw your your message
[2:14:35] Speaker 1: on Venmo. Thank you for that, but I'm powered I
[2:14:37] Speaker 1: didn't see it sooner. Doctor Joe is with us, guys,
[2:14:40] Speaker 1: Doctor Joe send a message in the chat. Guys, if
[2:14:42] Speaker 1: you need to talk to a license a professional therapist,
[2:14:46] Speaker 1: even a one down in Texas, please follow doctor Joe
[2:14:49] Speaker 1: and get in contact with her. El Karaki, thank you
[2:14:52] Speaker 1: for the ten. Our supertes says. How many Christians are
[2:14:53] Speaker 1: supporting the death of the women and children in Palestine?
[2:14:57] Speaker 13: A lot?
[2:14:58] Speaker 1: And I did recently hear UMP's remarks on what he's
[2:15:01] Speaker 1: going to do with Palestine, and it's not good. But
[2:15:04] Speaker 1: this is what I would expect from you know, Bible
[2:15:07] Speaker 1: believers and Ben Cute thank you for the ten hour
[2:15:09] Speaker 1: super Jet says the classic I have to punch you,
[2:15:11] Speaker 1: so you know what it's like to not be punched bs.
[2:15:14] Speaker 1: Every day I watch your live and I'm more happy
[2:15:17] Speaker 1: I'm not the one trapped in these corners anymore. Thank
[2:15:19] Speaker 1: you so much, Ben Q. And you're right, that's basically
[2:15:21] Speaker 1: what's happening is like God is saying I have to
[2:15:24] Speaker 1: do these horrific things to you, you know, because otherwise,
[2:15:28] Speaker 1: I mean, how could you know what good is? It's crazy?
[2:15:32] Speaker 1: And Carrie, you're right, thank you for the six sixty six.
[2:15:34] Speaker 1: He says, A condescension when a Christian tells you that
[2:15:37] Speaker 1: you reject God when it's revealed to you, is incredibly agitating.
[2:15:43] Speaker 1: Such mind readers, they are shake my fucking head. Yeah,
[2:15:46] Speaker 1: I'm with you, carry But you know when they resort
[2:15:48] Speaker 1: to mind reading, they've lost a conversation. When the conversation
[2:15:52] Speaker 1: ends with I can read your mind, it's already over.
[2:15:55] Speaker 1: Cyber good to see it tonight, Cyber Deconstruction with the
[2:15:58] Speaker 1: ten hours super Jet, Thank you so much. As Paul
[2:16:00] Speaker 1: fell In hit his head on Rocky Yes Amen, the
[2:16:04] Speaker 1: first rock Simple arrests and received the Gospel of Doug
[2:16:09] Speaker 1: through divine concussment. Damn Luke was standing in the sun though,
[2:16:14] Speaker 1: so Paul thought it was Jesus. That's one hundred percent.
[2:16:17] Speaker 1: He saw the halo over Luke's head and that's what
[2:16:21] Speaker 1: it was. You know, Rocky was young when when when
[2:16:24] Speaker 1: that happened, he was still learning how to be a
[2:16:26] Speaker 1: rock god and he you know, he slipped here there.
[2:16:30] Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Evan for the two our super
[2:16:31] Speaker 1: Jet says, justin stop pivoting to these people's holy books.
[2:16:34] Speaker 1: I'll try. I'm sorry. It's not fair, you know, asking
[2:16:37] Speaker 1: him to read their own book. Dexter, thank you so
[2:16:39] Speaker 1: much for the ten hour super Chet says, when building
[2:16:42] Speaker 1: a foundation for beliefs, if you lay a bunch of
[2:16:44] Speaker 1: broken and faulty bricks, you would end up with a
[2:16:47] Speaker 1: crumbling foundation. Each brick needs inspected for cracks and I
[2:16:51] Speaker 1: perfections agreed, And that's what most apologists claims are. If
[2:16:54] Speaker 1: I stack enough bad arguments together, then they'll add up
[2:16:58] Speaker 1: to a good argument. But that's not how our's work
[2:17:01] Speaker 1: and freedom from security. Thank you so much for the
[2:17:03] Speaker 1: sixtyty six is. Thanks again, justin praise Doug the cornerstone
[2:17:06] Speaker 1: on which reality has. Yes, Hail Doug and Sharon stone
[2:17:10] Speaker 1: the stone that the builders rejected, but we are making
[2:17:13] Speaker 1: them the chief cornerstones. And big w belaal chabbon for
[2:17:19] Speaker 1: the fifty hour super chat. Thank you so much. That's
[2:17:21] Speaker 1: very generous, says. If Jesus is portrayed as entirely peaceful
[2:17:25] Speaker 1: and loving in the New Testament, that would be inconsistent
[2:17:28] Speaker 1: since he is the same God responsible for the events
[2:17:31] Speaker 1: commandments in the Old Testament. I agree every time Christians say,
[2:17:35] Speaker 1: don't read me the Old Testament. Don't bring up the
[2:17:38] Speaker 1: Old Testament. That was a different time, motherfucker. If you
[2:17:42] Speaker 1: believe Jesus is God, then Jesus is responsible for all
[2:17:45] Speaker 1: that bullshit in the Old Testament. Don't tell me not
[2:17:47] Speaker 1: to read the Old Testament. But it's crazy to me
[2:17:50] Speaker 1: how terrified they are of reading the Old Testament. It
[2:17:54] Speaker 1: doesn't make sense to me. And let's grab our next
[2:17:58] Speaker 1: guess he's been way in and let me thank you
[2:18:00] Speaker 1: for the twenty dollars super chat. Let me, says former
[2:18:03] Speaker 1: Seventh day ADVENTI is here. Reading the Bible helped me
[2:18:05] Speaker 1: in the deconstruction of my faith. Read and be saved.
[2:18:08] Speaker 1: LL appreciate your show. Isn't that wild that they think
[2:18:11] Speaker 1: reading the Bible is gonna help, but actually it seems
[2:18:14] Speaker 1: to do the opposite.
[2:18:15] Speaker 25: Thank you.
[2:18:15] Speaker 1: Let me for the super chat. I appreciate that we've
[2:18:18] Speaker 1: got mister Morphius with us. Thank you for being patient, Morpheus.
[2:18:23] Speaker 1: I can see you. Your camera's working. I don't know
[2:18:26] Speaker 1: if your MIC's working yet, because I can't hear you
[2:18:27] Speaker 1: just yet. I can see you, but we can't hear
[2:18:34] Speaker 1: you just yet. Let me see what's going on with
[2:18:37] Speaker 1: your audio. Doesn't show that you have any audio hooked in? Now,
[2:18:52] Speaker 1: we got nothing from your Maybe take your headphones off
[2:18:56] Speaker 1: and put them back on, turn them off, turn them
[2:18:58] Speaker 1: on again, see if that works, because right now I
[2:19:01] Speaker 1: can't look at into your audio settings so that it
[2:19:03] Speaker 1: shows that they don't exist. One good thing about using
[2:19:09] Speaker 1: if anyone's interested in bringing guests in using video Ninja,
[2:19:12] Speaker 1: one good thing about using video Ninja is like I
[2:19:15] Speaker 1: can see the guests hardware. I can see if they
[2:19:17] Speaker 1: got a microphone hooked up. I can see what kind
[2:19:19] Speaker 1: of camera they got. I can even uh if their
[2:19:23] Speaker 1: MIC's not working. I can send a request for them
[2:19:26] Speaker 1: to pick the right microphone. It's got some some interesting
[2:19:30] Speaker 1: you know, some interesting options, mister Morpheus, you get her
[2:19:37] Speaker 1: figured out. Well, while mister Morpheus is getting his situation
[2:19:40] Speaker 1: figured out, let me grab one or two super chats.
[2:19:42] Speaker 1: I'm sure I'll have it figured out in a second.
[2:19:45] Speaker 1: Low read uh flow flowed. Reese, thank you for the
[2:19:48] Speaker 1: ten hour super chat, says, would you like to read
[2:19:49] Speaker 1: the Bible with me? Doug Aronomy one one big w Yeah.
[2:19:53] Speaker 1: Actually we started to book a Doug in the Discord.
[2:19:56] Speaker 1: I need to finish it. I'm sorry, guys, I've been
[2:19:57] Speaker 1: slack and I've been trying to do other things. By
[2:20:00] Speaker 1: there is a book of Doug and the Discord community.
[2:20:02] Speaker 1: You'll find it in there, so it should be great.
[2:20:05] Speaker 1: And Rostaman, thank you for the six sixty six says,
[2:20:08] Speaker 1: as a follow up to a previous super chat of mine,
[2:20:11] Speaker 1: can you please elaborate on how we can pin all
[2:20:14] Speaker 1: Biblical literists to Young Earth creationism. Well, I would just
[2:20:17] Speaker 1: take them through the genealogies and show them how it
[2:20:22] Speaker 1: is that Adam and Eve must have been created around
[2:20:26] Speaker 1: the year four thousand BCE, and that ties them into
[2:20:30] Speaker 1: a Young Earth creationism. Just look at the lineages they
[2:20:33] Speaker 1: might say, well, listen, not all the lineages are given. Okay, well,
[2:20:37] Speaker 1: then the New Testament to lie because the New Testament
[2:20:39] Speaker 1: traces lineage, the lineage of Jesus all the way back
[2:20:42] Speaker 1: to Adam. So now you have to do crazy things
[2:20:45] Speaker 1: to say no, the lineage is a metaphor, it's not
[2:20:48] Speaker 1: all true. YadA, YadA, YadA. But once you start discrediting
[2:20:52] Speaker 1: the lineages, you got a big problem because the lineages
[2:20:55] Speaker 1: are supposed to be the evidence for Jesus. You know,
[2:20:58] Speaker 1: that's what I would do. You to a Young Earth
[2:21:00] Speaker 1: creationism pretty quick, mister Morpheus? Did did you ever get
[2:21:04] Speaker 1: your stuff figured out?
[2:21:05] Speaker 3: Man?
[2:21:05] Speaker 1: What's going on over there? It's a shame that you're
[2:21:09] Speaker 1: waiting all this time and your equipment doesn't work here.
[2:21:12] Speaker 1: Let me, mister Morpheus. I'm gonna drop you and come
[2:21:14] Speaker 1: right back and try again. Okay, we'll drop. He's been
[2:21:18] Speaker 1: waiting for like an hour. Guys, I don't know what's
[2:21:27] Speaker 1: going on there. I feel I feel bad when they
[2:21:33] Speaker 1: wait all that time in the guest queue. You know
[2:21:35] Speaker 1: what I mean. He dropped out. We'll give him a
[2:21:47] Speaker 1: second to see if he comes back. We'll give him
[2:21:49] Speaker 1: a second to see if he comes back, guys, come
[2:21:55] Speaker 1: on back, mister Morpheus. We'll wait for you. You were
[2:21:57] Speaker 1: you were patient all this time. I want to give
[2:21:59] Speaker 1: you the opportun need to come up and talk. We'll
[2:22:02] Speaker 1: grab another super chat while we're waiting on mister Morpheus.
[2:22:05] Speaker 1: Thank you so much. Zone Fanatic for the two hour supertest,
[2:22:07] Speaker 1: says the Bible is a control system developed by kings.
[2:22:10] Speaker 1: I actually think you're right. I think quite a bit
[2:22:12] Speaker 1: of the Bible was developed like in royal courts. So good,
[2:22:16] Speaker 1: good observation though, Kerrie, thank you for the fine oar
[2:22:18] Speaker 1: supertest says I was raised in Church of Christ too.
[2:22:21] Speaker 1: Talk about judgmental, misogynistic bullshit. I was kicked out of
[2:22:24] Speaker 1: Bible class almost weekly as a kid. Yeah, the Church
[2:22:27] Speaker 1: of Christ is crazy like that. I actually had a
[2:22:28] Speaker 1: friend that was removed from a service once in the
[2:22:31] Speaker 1: Church of Christ because she got so into the worship
[2:22:34] Speaker 1: and they're a cappella, no instruments, no nothing, and she
[2:22:37] Speaker 1: started clapping to one of the songs. They removed her
[2:22:41] Speaker 1: from church for clap.
[2:22:43] Speaker 4: Into the song.
[2:22:45] Speaker 1: And you're right, pat, pat, these people are suffering from
[2:22:47] Speaker 1: Stockholm syndrome.
[2:22:49] Speaker 3: All right.
[2:22:49] Speaker 1: I don't think mister Morpheus is coming back, So I'm
[2:22:51] Speaker 1: just gonna have to take the next one in the
[2:22:52] Speaker 1: queue and see if mister Morpheus makes a return. Sorry,
[2:22:56] Speaker 1: mister Morpheus. I'm gonna grab Daddy Dax from the TikTok
[2:23:00] Speaker 1: q and we'll keep things rolling. Twenty four caret all day.
[2:23:04] Speaker 1: Thank you for the nine ninety nine. It says, do
[2:23:07] Speaker 1: you think American society will ever move past relic ideology
[2:23:11] Speaker 1: and religion. It's like there's a mental block in the
[2:23:17] Speaker 1: in the theist or theism that makes them allergic to
[2:23:20] Speaker 1: using logic on their book of comfort. I think that's
[2:23:23] Speaker 1: a lot of humans are like that, right, We have
[2:23:25] Speaker 1: like this a certain amount of like neuroplasticity, where like
[2:23:28] Speaker 1: we don't want to change our preconceived notions about the world,
[2:23:33] Speaker 1: and you need a lot of evidence to do so,
[2:23:35] Speaker 1: even though you're willing to accept evidence of another person's
[2:23:38] Speaker 1: religion right or against it. But welcome in, Dad. How
[2:23:42] Speaker 1: you doing?
[2:23:43] Speaker 20: How you doing, sir?
[2:23:47] Speaker 1: Yeah, Dax is good, Dex. Are you at least eighteen
[2:23:50] Speaker 1: and are you a believer?
[2:23:52] Speaker 20: Yes, I'm bove eighteen. I am a believer. I just
[2:23:55] Speaker 20: wanted to preface. I mean, I'm sure you probably no,
[2:24:00] Speaker 20: you know more about the Bible than I do, and
[2:24:02] Speaker 20: can debate me better. But I'm just kind of using
[2:24:04] Speaker 20: this as a learning experience. I'd debate a lot of
[2:24:07] Speaker 20: atheists and have a lot of atheist friends, So if
[2:24:10] Speaker 20: anything is just a learning experience, I don't you want
[2:24:13] Speaker 20: to get heat or anything and just do back and forth,
[2:24:16] Speaker 20: just you know, that's all coo?
[2:24:19] Speaker 1: Okay, well, wor start easy and I appreciate a respectful conversation.
[2:24:23] Speaker 1: So I think my first question would be why did
[2:24:26] Speaker 1: God decide that he was going to be sending people
[2:24:29] Speaker 1: to Hell?
[2:24:34] Speaker 20: Now, I don't think necessarily he was deciding to send
[2:24:38] Speaker 20: people to hell. Yes, he created the heaven, Earth, and Hell,
[2:24:42] Speaker 20: but it was ultimately humanity's decision when he chose to
[2:24:47] Speaker 20: step back and away from them, where they fell into
[2:24:50] Speaker 20: sin and they went to Hell because of that.
[2:24:55] Speaker 1: Sure, but who created the rules governing who goes down
[2:24:58] Speaker 1: Hell and who doesn't?
[2:25:02] Speaker 20: I mean God created the rules. He's omniscient, omnipotent, all knowing,
[2:25:06] Speaker 20: and he knew all of humanity's decisions before anything happened,
[2:25:12] Speaker 20: before he created the heavens and the earth, And ultimately
[2:25:18] Speaker 20: he can't force us into loving him. That's our own
[2:25:20] Speaker 20: free will, and it's our own choice, not his decision.
[2:25:24] Speaker 20: That we get cast into the lake of fire because
[2:25:28] Speaker 20: of our decisions.
[2:25:30] Speaker 1: Well, I would disagree on two accounts. I don't think
[2:25:32] Speaker 1: it's our choice because God is the one who designed
[2:25:34] Speaker 1: the parameters that would send people to hell. But I
[2:25:37] Speaker 1: also don't think that it's a fair choice because God
[2:25:40] Speaker 1: is essentially saying that you will love me or you
[2:25:42] Speaker 1: will burn, which is like the definition of Stockholm syndrome.
[2:25:46] Speaker 1: Like he doesn't give you actual free will.
[2:25:50] Speaker 20: Well, I don't think he says love me or burn,
[2:25:53] Speaker 20: but he says if you choose me, you'll have everlasting life.
[2:25:57] Speaker 20: But if you turn away from me and I don't
[2:25:59] Speaker 20: know you, you're going to be burning for all eternity.
[2:26:01] Speaker 1: Yeah, that's love me or burn. Yeah, do what I
[2:26:04] Speaker 1: want you to do.
[2:26:05] Speaker 20: Or you think he's he's given us a choice, It's
[2:26:09] Speaker 20: it's us who choose away from him. And yes, he
[2:26:12] Speaker 20: created you can call it the system or whatever. He
[2:26:16] Speaker 20: created the heavens and the earth and hell, not as
[2:26:19] Speaker 20: some wicked experiment because he's some all powerful god and
[2:26:22] Speaker 20: wants to torment us for all eternity. He wanted people
[2:26:27] Speaker 20: to follow him and choose him, and and yeah, the
[2:26:31] Speaker 20: alternative is is burning in hell. But that's not up
[2:26:35] Speaker 20: to him. That he gives us our own choice and
[2:26:38] Speaker 20: he limits his own power just so we can choose love.
[2:26:42] Speaker 20: Because you're not going to go into marriage with a
[2:26:44] Speaker 20: woman and you know, you find out two years later,
[2:26:48] Speaker 20: oh somebody paid her ten thousand dollars or whatever.
[2:26:51] Speaker 13: That's that's not love.
[2:26:53] Speaker 20: And you can't have real love without that.
[2:26:55] Speaker 1: You can't have real love if you if the if
[2:26:58] Speaker 1: the decision is you will love me or burn, because
[2:27:01] Speaker 1: then people are just going to choose not to burn.
[2:27:04] Speaker 1: So it's not real love. It's coercion.
[2:27:07] Speaker 20: It's it's not love me or burn, it choose me
[2:27:10] Speaker 20: or not.
[2:27:11] Speaker 1: That's the same thing. Choose me or you'll burn. No, okay,
[2:27:16] Speaker 1: do I burn for not choosing him?
[2:27:19] Speaker 20: You you burn if you turn away from him and
[2:27:22] Speaker 20: he gives you the options. He lays them out in
[2:27:23] Speaker 20: front of you, so it's choose me. It's it's not
[2:27:27] Speaker 20: his decision though, it's.
[2:27:29] Speaker 1: A coerce decision. He says you will choose me or
[2:27:32] Speaker 1: you will burn. It's called coercion.
[2:27:35] Speaker 20: But he's not some all powerful evil being that's saying,
[2:27:39] Speaker 20: I think you're just going to burn in a lake
[2:27:40] Speaker 20: of fire. He's telling us, you know, it's our own
[2:27:45] Speaker 20: choice that that we can choose him or not.
[2:27:49] Speaker 1: Let me let me give you an analogy. Okay, do
[2:27:52] Speaker 1: you have a sister, I do. Okay, Imagine I asked
[2:27:56] Speaker 1: your sister out on a date, and I said, this
[2:27:57] Speaker 1: is going to be the best date you've ever been on.
[2:27:59] Speaker 1: It's gonna the time of your life. Never has to end.
[2:28:02] Speaker 1: We'll do this thing forever. It's gonna be amazing. But
[2:28:05] Speaker 1: if you don't go on a date with me, I
[2:28:07] Speaker 1: will lock you in my basement and light it on fire.
[2:28:09] Speaker 1: Am I good or bad?
[2:28:14] Speaker 20: I mean, it's it's a very specific analogy, and yes,
[2:28:19] Speaker 20: you're gonna be bad.
[2:28:20] Speaker 10: Wow.
[2:28:20] Speaker 20: But it's it's a bad analogy because our own understanding
[2:28:24] Speaker 20: can't we can't comprehend why God does the things he does,
[2:28:28] Speaker 20: or why he even created hell in the first place.
[2:28:31] Speaker 20: I don't even know why. You know, if if it
[2:28:34] Speaker 20: was me, you know why I choose suffering. But that's
[2:28:37] Speaker 20: that's a question I'm gonna have to ask him at
[2:28:39] Speaker 20: the end of the day when I get to heaven.
[2:28:41] Speaker 20: That's not something that you know, Oh you know, I'm
[2:28:45] Speaker 20: just gonna. He's He's forcing me into this decision and
[2:28:49] Speaker 20: in this reality, in this world, like and and that's it.
[2:28:53] Speaker 1: You know, if God's goodness is beyond our understanding, then
[2:28:56] Speaker 1: how do you know he's good?
[2:28:59] Speaker 20: It's love?
[2:29:02] Speaker 1: How do you know that he loves you?
[2:29:05] Speaker 20: He shows you through through signs, through revelations, through divine interventions.
[2:29:11] Speaker 20: I've seen none of that presents himself.
[2:29:13] Speaker 1: I've never seen it.
[2:29:14] Speaker 20: Well, you choose to can?
[2:29:16] Speaker 1: I ask you the mind reading again? They always want
[2:29:19] Speaker 1: to read your mind. You choose to ignore them. You
[2:29:22] Speaker 1: see how your religion makes you demonize others, Like you
[2:29:27] Speaker 1: can't believe that I'm just a normal guy who's unconvinced.
[2:29:30] Speaker 1: You have to believe that I'm actually a bad person,
[2:29:33] Speaker 1: ignoring the signs that God has given me.
[2:29:35] Speaker 20: Well, if you're not, or okay, just let's keep that
[2:29:40] Speaker 20: in mind. But were you a Christian at one point
[2:29:42] Speaker 20: and you turned away? Or have you always been atheist?
[2:29:45] Speaker 1: I was a Christian for twenty years and I went
[2:29:47] Speaker 1: to Bible college and seminary. And that's why I'm not
[2:29:49] Speaker 1: a Christian because I read the book and the book
[2:29:51] Speaker 1: is horrific. The God of this book is an absolute monster.
[2:29:54] Speaker 1: Thank you, Astronova.
[2:29:57] Speaker 20: Well, I disagree. I think he's the god of love.
[2:30:00] Speaker 13: Out of love.
[2:30:01] Speaker 1: How is it love when he says you must obey
[2:30:04] Speaker 1: me perfectly or you burn in hell?
[2:30:07] Speaker 20: It's not abandoned perfectly. He knows we're gonna mess up.
[2:30:09] Speaker 20: He knows we're inherently sinners and nature.
[2:30:13] Speaker 1: And why is he sending people to hell?
[2:30:15] Speaker 20: He's not sending people to hell?
[2:30:16] Speaker 3: He is.
[2:30:17] Speaker 1: Yes, can human beings not sin?
[2:30:21] Speaker 20: Can human beings not sin? They cannot or they are
[2:30:25] Speaker 20: forced into sin?
[2:30:26] Speaker 1: Being human, we have sin because we have the sin nature. Okay,
[2:30:29] Speaker 1: So there's not a single human being outside of Jesus,
[2:30:32] Speaker 1: who is God, who could live a sinless life. So
[2:30:35] Speaker 1: God created human beings with a sin nature, knowing they
[2:30:38] Speaker 1: would sin, and he said, I'm now going to send
[2:30:40] Speaker 1: every one of you to hell for doing the thing
[2:30:43] Speaker 1: that I created you to do. And you think that's good.
[2:30:47] Speaker 20: It's not his I mean, the whole fallacy is an argument.
[2:30:52] Speaker 20: It's not I'm saying it's not his decision because I
[2:30:55] Speaker 20: know it's not his decision. It's humanity's decision. When he
[2:30:58] Speaker 20: ultimately limited his power in sta back that we turned
[2:31:03] Speaker 20: away from him.
[2:31:04] Speaker 1: Right, But none of that has to do with whether
[2:31:06] Speaker 1: or not we should be going to hell. Right, So
[2:31:08] Speaker 1: what you're suggesting is that because we don't believe in
[2:31:12] Speaker 1: this thing, that we should be going to hell. Why
[2:31:15] Speaker 1: is that a rational conclusion.
[2:31:19] Speaker 20: Well, it's not like he did this for some experiment.
[2:31:22] Speaker 20: And I don't know the reason why he created the universe.
[2:31:26] Speaker 20: I don't know why he created humanity and why there's
[2:31:30] Speaker 20: evil in the world. That's something I'm don't have to
[2:31:32] Speaker 20: ask him, and something I'm still learning, you know, on
[2:31:35] Speaker 20: future debates or whatever. But at the end of the day,
[2:31:41] Speaker 20: it was Satan and evil that crept into the world
[2:31:45] Speaker 20: because of humanity. It wasn't God that said, oh, let
[2:31:50] Speaker 20: there be evil, let there be hell, let there be this,
[2:31:53] Speaker 20: let there be that.
[2:31:55] Speaker 3: From me Satan.
[2:31:59] Speaker 20: Yes, he created the angels.
[2:32:00] Speaker 1: Okay, did God know that Satan was going to be awful?
[2:32:04] Speaker 20: Yeah, he's all knowing.
[2:32:05] Speaker 1: So why do you create them them?
[2:32:09] Speaker 20: That's a question I'm gonna have to ask him one
[2:32:10] Speaker 20: day when I get to heaven. But I mean, that's
[2:32:13] Speaker 20: that's not something I could answer right now.
[2:32:16] Speaker 1: There's a lot of inconsistencies in this notion that God
[2:32:19] Speaker 1: is good when he creates horrific things. He created Satan,
[2:32:23] Speaker 1: he created natural disasters and cancer and everything else. Like
[2:32:27] Speaker 1: God didn't have to do any of those things. Like
[2:32:29] Speaker 1: after Adam and Eve ate the fruit, God didn't have
[2:32:31] Speaker 1: to create natural disasters. He didn't have to create diseases.
[2:32:35] Speaker 20: Well, just like the laws of physics, you know how
[2:32:39] Speaker 20: you can't go backwards in time. It's just the way
[2:32:42] Speaker 20: things are.
[2:32:42] Speaker 1: And God have control over physics and explain it he does.
[2:32:46] Speaker 1: I mean, did God have to create natural disasters and
[2:32:49] Speaker 1: diseases after the fall?
[2:32:51] Speaker 20: But no, that was that was the Earth, that was humanity.
[2:32:54] Speaker 1: Earth didn't do it.
[2:32:56] Speaker 20: There was there was no torment or or torture evil
[2:32:59] Speaker 20: in the world until you know, eventually Adam straight away
[2:33:03] Speaker 20: from goheadntil God put it there all that He had
[2:33:09] Speaker 20: an instruction for him and and they didn't follow him.
[2:33:13] Speaker 4: And what.
[2:33:15] Speaker 1: My son doesn't follow my instructions, that doesn't mean I'm
[2:33:17] Speaker 1: gonna inflict natural disasters on everybody in my state. Also,
[2:33:21] Speaker 1: thank you adh Unicorn for the paint.
[2:33:25] Speaker 20: But at the same time, you're not gonna, you know,
[2:33:30] Speaker 20: force your son into loving you. You're you're gonna give
[2:33:32] Speaker 20: him a choice at the end of the day. And
[2:33:33] Speaker 20: he might hate you, and he might leave you and
[2:33:35] Speaker 20: never call you dead or something, or because he's gonna choose.
[2:33:39] Speaker 3: You and God, I wouldn't.
[2:33:41] Speaker 1: I wouldn't tell my son that you must love me
[2:33:43] Speaker 1: or I'll burn you. That's crazy. But you also didn't
[2:33:46] Speaker 1: address my point. When Adam and Eve sinned, there was
[2:33:49] Speaker 1: no reason why God had to create diseases and natural disasters.
[2:33:52] Speaker 1: He chose to do that. It was only his doing.
[2:33:57] Speaker 20: It wasn't his doing.
[2:34:00] Speaker 1: And so who created who created natural disasters?
[2:34:05] Speaker 20: That that's just the way I mean, He created everything,
[2:34:08] Speaker 20: that's the way nature is.
[2:34:10] Speaker 1: Who created nature?
[2:34:11] Speaker 20: You really haven't to make me.
[2:34:12] Speaker 2: Think, but.
[2:34:14] Speaker 20: God created everything, and.
[2:34:16] Speaker 1: So he don't know for the natural disasters.
[2:34:18] Speaker 20: Then he's not responsible for evil that was human natural disasters.
[2:34:24] Speaker 1: That's what we're talking about right now.
[2:34:26] Speaker 20: Choice that's so let's say, let's say you're God and
[2:34:28] Speaker 20: you go and.
[2:34:29] Speaker 1: God is never responsible for any of his own actions.
[2:34:32] Speaker 1: When Adam and e was sin When Adam and Eve
[2:34:35] Speaker 1: sin sinned, who was in charge of the consequences?
[2:34:41] Speaker 20: That was humanity wrong?
[2:34:43] Speaker 1: In charge of the consequences? He said, when Adam and
[2:34:48] Speaker 1: Eve sinned, who was in charge of the consequences? That
[2:34:51] Speaker 1: were applied.
[2:34:54] Speaker 20: Are you asking me who carried out the consequences?
[2:34:58] Speaker 1: Who is responsible for in inventing the consequences? Adam and
[2:35:02] Speaker 1: Eve didn't invent diseases, They didn't invent natural disasters. That's
[2:35:06] Speaker 1: something God had to do.
[2:35:08] Speaker 20: That was Satan. Satan. So Satan did that.
[2:35:12] Speaker 1: That's not in the book at all. What the book
[2:35:16] Speaker 1: does not say that Satan created any of those things.
[2:35:21] Speaker 20: Satan created all evil and suffering.
[2:35:23] Speaker 1: That's not in the book. That's not even close to
[2:35:25] Speaker 1: it being.
[2:35:26] Speaker 20: Biblical that Satan created evil.
[2:35:29] Speaker 1: None of that's in the book.
[2:35:31] Speaker 20: So you don't think evil and hatred and guilt and
[2:35:35] Speaker 20: shame and whatever other things you can think of aren't
[2:35:38] Speaker 20: from Satan.
[2:35:39] Speaker 1: No, I don't believe that at all. Also, you're just
[2:35:41] Speaker 1: kicking the can down the road because God created Satan.
[2:35:44] Speaker 1: So you're not helping yourself at all by blaming Satan
[2:35:47] Speaker 1: for God.
[2:35:47] Speaker 20: How How can how can those things not exist? Because love?
[2:35:52] Speaker 1: To be sure, you're saying that Satan created.
[2:35:55] Speaker 20: Things like evil and hatred come from Satan. Yes, He
[2:36:00] Speaker 20: created Satan, but Satan had his own will.
[2:36:05] Speaker 1: You're spinning out. Just focus, focus, we're talking about we're
[2:36:09] Speaker 1: talking about the cause of natural disasters and diseases. Still
[2:36:13] Speaker 1: and somehow you got on on Satan. Did Satan create
[2:36:16] Speaker 1: that responsible?
[2:36:19] Speaker 20: Yes, Satan's responsible for.
[2:36:21] Speaker 1: Did God know that Satan was going to do that?
[2:36:25] Speaker 13: Of course he.
[2:36:26] Speaker 1: Did want him to do it.
[2:36:29] Speaker 20: He never wanted them to do it. Did do anything?
[2:36:33] Speaker 20: He didn't let him do it. It was his own choice.
[2:36:36] Speaker 3: No, he was.
[2:36:37] Speaker 1: He created Satan knowing what Satan was going to do.
[2:36:41] Speaker 20: Yeah, knowing he would affect from him being the you know,
[2:36:44] Speaker 20: most beautiful angel. Again, well, can I say this?
[2:36:49] Speaker 1: Just said that you was a liar and the murderer
[2:36:51] Speaker 1: from the beginning. He was never a beautiful angel, he
[2:36:54] Speaker 1: never defected.
[2:36:56] Speaker 20: Well, he was the most beautiful angel. Okay, then where
[2:37:02] Speaker 20: do I get that from?
[2:37:03] Speaker 2: You get it?
[2:37:05] Speaker 20: Why the people say is the most beautiful angel?
[2:37:07] Speaker 1: Because they don't know their Bible whatsoever.
[2:37:08] Speaker 3: That's why?
[2:37:10] Speaker 13: Okay?
[2:37:11] Speaker 20: And you know better I do. Well, I was just
[2:37:14] Speaker 20: gonna ask, like, what so say, you're a god? Okay,
[2:37:18] Speaker 20: you create something that has its own free will or
[2:37:22] Speaker 20: better example.
[2:37:23] Speaker 1: Ai ai AI examples go for it.
[2:37:27] Speaker 20: Well, you know, maybe not now, but as AI advances,
[2:37:31] Speaker 20: and I saw a message about this earlier. If AI
[2:37:34] Speaker 20: has has free will, and someone created it. What if
[2:37:37] Speaker 20: that ar starts affecting from the people that created it.
[2:37:41] Speaker 20: I mean, that's not the creator that was responsible for that.
[2:37:44] Speaker 20: That was their own algorithm encoding that eventually led to
[2:37:49] Speaker 20: a defect.
[2:37:51] Speaker 1: If the AI, let's say, massacres in entire country, who's
[2:37:57] Speaker 1: responsible for it?
[2:38:01] Speaker 20: So like a terminator case that armourgeddon was the people
[2:38:09] Speaker 20: that created it?
[2:38:09] Speaker 4: Okay?
[2:38:10] Speaker 1: Do the people that created it do they know what
[2:38:12] Speaker 1: was going to happen?
[2:38:15] Speaker 3: No?
[2:38:16] Speaker 1: Okay, that's the problem in your analogy. It's broken because
[2:38:19] Speaker 1: the creators of the horrific AI don't know what's going
[2:38:22] Speaker 1: to happen. God does know what's going to happen. When
[2:38:25] Speaker 1: the day he created Satan, he knew everything Satan was
[2:38:28] Speaker 1: going to do. He knew that Satan was going to
[2:38:30] Speaker 1: be awful. He knew that Satan was going to cause
[2:38:32] Speaker 1: all this stuff you're blaming on him, and he decided
[2:38:35] Speaker 1: to make Satan anyways, So God is responsible for everything
[2:38:39] Speaker 1: Satan does. You're never going to get to blame off
[2:38:42] Speaker 1: of God by blaming Satan.
[2:38:45] Speaker 20: I just disagree, like that's Satan's own choice and God
[2:38:48] Speaker 20: it doesn't intentionally, Yes, he's all powerful, he limited his
[2:38:51] Speaker 20: power saying, you're saying he's all powerful, but he limited.
[2:38:55] Speaker 1: Dex, I need you to pay attention to the words
[2:38:57] Speaker 1: coming out out of my mouth because I don't want
[2:38:59] Speaker 1: to say it ten times. If God knew what Satan
[2:39:04] Speaker 1: was going to do before he created Satan, and he
[2:39:10] Speaker 1: decided to create Satan any ways, when he didn't have to,
[2:39:14] Speaker 1: he didn't have to create Satan. He chose to create Satan.
[2:39:18] Speaker 1: That means God is responsible for what Satan does. Do
[2:39:22] Speaker 1: you comprehend? It doesn't matter if Satan's making his own decisions.
[2:39:30] Speaker 1: God was the one that caused it to happen.
[2:39:37] Speaker 20: Again with free will. God isn't in control of us
[2:39:41] Speaker 20: making bad decisions.
[2:39:42] Speaker 1: Yes, I never said he was in control of our decisions.
[2:39:48] Speaker 20: He doesn't force Satan into evil.
[2:39:49] Speaker 1: He had never said that he was, Dex, What did
[2:39:52] Speaker 1: I say? Do you even listen to me?
[2:39:54] Speaker 20: He created him and you're saying he knew everything he
[2:39:58] Speaker 20: was going to do before he did it and he's
[2:40:00] Speaker 20: still created.
[2:40:00] Speaker 1: Did he have to create Satan?
[2:40:04] Speaker 20: He didn't have to do anything, But why did he?
[2:40:07] Speaker 1: Why did God create Satan knowing he was going to
[2:40:09] Speaker 1: do nothing but harm? Why did he do it?
[2:40:12] Speaker 20: Because in every universe, he has have a good against evil.
[2:40:15] Speaker 1: Oh, so he needs Satan. So God wanted Satan to
[2:40:20] Speaker 1: do what Satan did.
[2:40:22] Speaker 20: I don't think he necessarily wanted it, but inherently in
[2:40:28] Speaker 20: reality in the universe with with good, there has to
[2:40:31] Speaker 20: be opposing force. There has to be evil.
[2:40:34] Speaker 1: Is there going to be an opposing force in heaven?
[2:40:36] Speaker 20: It's just the way things are. Heaven is perfection in
[2:40:39] Speaker 20: every way.
[2:40:39] Speaker 1: Is Satan's going to be there? Then if there's no
[2:40:43] Speaker 1: evil in heaven, how are you able to experience goodness there?
[2:40:48] Speaker 20: It's it's purely good that the evil already exists in hell.
[2:40:52] Speaker 20: There's there's no evil in in heaven because.
[2:40:54] Speaker 1: But you just said that God needed to create Satan
[2:40:56] Speaker 1: so that there's an antithesis to the goodness.
[2:40:59] Speaker 20: No, I didn't say he needed to create Satan.
[2:41:02] Speaker 1: So we don't need Satan.
[2:41:03] Speaker 20: He chose to.
[2:41:04] Speaker 1: Okay, do we need Satan?
[2:41:08] Speaker 20: I'm not really sure. I mean, there's there's a lot
[2:41:12] Speaker 20: of time where I think, why why does evil happen
[2:41:15] Speaker 20: in the world? But I mean, the best thing you
[2:41:17] Speaker 20: can come up with is.
[2:41:18] Speaker 1: Fact, I'm not talking about evil, talk about Satan. Do
[2:41:20] Speaker 1: we need Satan?
[2:41:22] Speaker 20: But Satan is evil, Like, it's.
[2:41:24] Speaker 1: I don't care if he's evil. I'm asking you, do
[2:41:26] Speaker 1: we need him?
[2:41:29] Speaker 25: Do?
[2:41:29] Speaker 20: Does humanity need him?
[2:41:30] Speaker 1: Or does God need Satan to exist?
[2:41:34] Speaker 19: No?
[2:41:34] Speaker 1: Okay, so Satan does it need to exist?
[2:41:37] Speaker 4: Okay?
[2:41:37] Speaker 1: That means does Satan do evilm Okay? That means Satan
[2:41:44] Speaker 1: is an unnecessary evil? Why would God make an unnecessary evil?
[2:41:52] Speaker 20: Again, that's something I'll have to ask him. You you
[2:41:55] Speaker 20: marginalized and focus on these specific arguments that you know
[2:41:58] Speaker 20: you can win because you've already deciphered all the Christian
[2:42:02] Speaker 20: arguments and know exactly where ways to navigate. But I mean,
[2:42:07] Speaker 20: if you want to switch up, we've kind of been
[2:42:09] Speaker 20: stuck on like the Satan thing, Like, how do you
[2:42:15] Speaker 20: think science disproves God?
[2:42:18] Speaker 1: I could care less if there is a god out there,
[2:42:19] Speaker 1: we're talking about a specific god right now. Let's just
[2:42:22] Speaker 1: grant for now that there is a god. Cool, it's
[2:42:25] Speaker 1: Mohammed's God. Prove that it's not Mohammed's God.
[2:42:29] Speaker 20: Because the Christian God, Jesus Father, is the one true God.
[2:42:33] Speaker 20: All the others are are blasphemy and false idols.
[2:42:38] Speaker 1: That's what they said about your God. So who's right?
[2:42:42] Speaker 20: It's obviously the Christian God.
[2:42:44] Speaker 1: It's not obvious at all. What would be the evidence
[2:42:46] Speaker 1: that would lead me to believe that?
[2:42:51] Speaker 20: Well, I mean, I'm not really sure. I'm not too
[2:42:55] Speaker 20: verse on this, but gosh, I don't know.
[2:43:03] Speaker 1: So why do you believe it if you don't even
[2:43:04] Speaker 1: know why?
[2:43:07] Speaker 20: I mean, I'm still learning, I'm still navigating my faith,
[2:43:09] Speaker 20: and I'm flawed as a human. But I know it's
[2:43:14] Speaker 20: a journey, and I know that I've had my struggles,
[2:43:19] Speaker 20: and but you know, it's it's faith, That's the whole point.
[2:43:22] Speaker 20: There's not going to be concrete evidence. He's not going
[2:43:25] Speaker 20: to show you in some dream here I am.
[2:43:27] Speaker 13: I exist.
[2:43:28] Speaker 20: He's not going to make you fearful of him and
[2:43:31] Speaker 20: make you scared and force you in a relationship.
[2:43:34] Speaker 1: He's doing He's doing that because he says, if you
[2:43:37] Speaker 1: don't believe in me and love me, you burn. That's
[2:43:40] Speaker 1: exactly what he's doing.
[2:43:42] Speaker 20: But I can choose to burn or live in eternal happiness.
[2:43:45] Speaker 1: But that's not a real decision. It's also a false dichotomy.
[2:43:48] Speaker 1: Why does he have to burn anyone?
[2:43:52] Speaker 4: Well?
[2:43:52] Speaker 20: Why is the sky blue? Why is the sun the
[2:43:54] Speaker 20: way it is? I mean, why did he do a
[2:43:56] Speaker 20: lot of things.
[2:43:57] Speaker 1: My question is why did he have to burn anyone?
[2:44:02] Speaker 20: Again? Why did he have to do anything?
[2:44:04] Speaker 1: So, if you don't have any good answers, what it
[2:44:06] Speaker 1: sounds like.
[2:44:06] Speaker 20: Did he did he? One of the questions I ask
[2:44:09] Speaker 20: is did he just create himself? Did he just pop
[2:44:12] Speaker 20: himself into existence? And like or did he come from
[2:44:16] Speaker 20: another universe and already have like a society or universe
[2:44:20] Speaker 20: like our own? And like, you know, where does God
[2:44:23] Speaker 20: come from?
[2:44:23] Speaker 1: That that question arises, but that's for you to figure out.
[2:44:26] Speaker 1: I don't believe in the God.
[2:44:27] Speaker 20: You do, I know, But there's so many questions you
[2:44:29] Speaker 20: could go on and on and ask, but a lot
[2:44:31] Speaker 20: of it is just based on faith. And I mean
[2:44:34] Speaker 20: I would watch a really good debate with uh. I
[2:44:39] Speaker 20: believe his name is Billy something like the Popular. He's
[2:44:45] Speaker 20: a black guy who does.
[2:44:48] Speaker 1: Hof and Billy Carson.
[2:44:49] Speaker 20: Yes, yes, I've already seen it.
[2:44:51] Speaker 1: Wes Hoff is a jump okay, nice at least. I
[2:44:55] Speaker 1: love the guy. He's really he's a very polite Canadian,
[2:44:58] Speaker 1: but he has no idea what he's talk about.
[2:45:01] Speaker 20: Well, I learned a thing or two, so I appreciate
[2:45:05] Speaker 20: you debating with me, but I'm gonna go now, but
[2:45:09] Speaker 20: it's coming. Pleasure, a pleasure and uh, hopefully you'll be
[2:45:12] Speaker 20: saved the end one day and can live in heaven.
[2:45:15] Speaker 1: Yeah, not gonna happen. We'll see you in the halls
[2:45:18] Speaker 1: of atheum eventually.
[2:45:19] Speaker 20: Have a good one, all right, I'll be praying.
[2:45:22] Speaker 1: I don't know why they think I'll be praying with you.
[2:45:24] Speaker 1: Is something that they should be saying. You shouldn't be
[2:45:26] Speaker 1: saying that, you're just displaying your ignorance. Feel fun. Thank
[2:45:30] Speaker 1: you for the two dollars. Pretest says, Nah, they don't
[2:45:32] Speaker 1: read your mind. They discern I know I told you before.
[2:45:36] Speaker 1: The minute they go to mind reading, they've lost a conversation.
[2:45:39] Speaker 1: That that is a concession when when they read your
[2:45:43] Speaker 1: mind they're conceding they have no argument. And welcome to
[2:45:45] Speaker 1: the crack and crew, Jacob, I appreciate that. And optimist
[2:45:49] Speaker 1: Rhyme's good to see it tonight. Thank you for the
[2:45:51] Speaker 1: five dollars supertest. It says, since Jesus said it is
[2:45:54] Speaker 1: not what goes into a man that makes him unclean,
[2:45:57] Speaker 1: but what comes out? Does that mean Jesus is down
[2:46:00] Speaker 1: with butt stuff. That's a very good point. If it's
[2:46:08] Speaker 1: not what goes in, but what comes out then certainly
[2:46:11] Speaker 1: he's definitely gonna be okay with butt stuff, just not
[2:46:16] Speaker 1: nocturnal emissions. Remember that does come out of a man,
[2:46:21] Speaker 1: so nocturnal emissions is still a nod. And oh sorry,
[2:46:27] Speaker 1: we grabbed that one, all right, let me grab I
[2:46:28] Speaker 1: think we got one or two more super chats and
[2:46:30] Speaker 1: then I'll grab our next guest. I think we've got
[2:46:34] Speaker 1: Morpheus back. We'll see if Morpheus has got a better
[2:46:38] Speaker 1: connection this time. Jenna Green, thank you for the fight.
[2:46:41] Speaker 1: Dollar Supertest says Doug is part of the holiest trinity
[2:46:44] Speaker 1: Rock paper scissors, guiding human decisions and worship by a
[2:46:47] Speaker 1: big w Yeah, everyone loves rock, paper and scissors. It's
[2:46:50] Speaker 1: a prophecy. The prophecy of Doug has been literally embedded
[2:46:54] Speaker 1: in our society since we were kids. And Matthew, welcome
[2:46:57] Speaker 1: to the Crack and Crew Elite and Gay thank you
[2:47:00] Speaker 1: so much for gifting some deconstruction Crack and Crew memberships,
[2:47:05] Speaker 1: and also Critical Explorer, Welcome to the Crack and Crew.
[2:47:08] Speaker 1: And Cameron, good to see you tonight, buddy. He says,
[2:47:12] Speaker 1: I always get excited on Mondays, Wednesdays and Friday night
[2:47:15] Speaker 1: shows justin Sunday am are fun too.
[2:47:18] Speaker 4: Well.
[2:47:18] Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Cameron. I appreciate you coming by
[2:47:20] Speaker 1: and show and support and big w for Cameron and
[2:47:25] Speaker 1: my conscious again with the two do, Supertet says, do
[2:47:28] Speaker 1: I say or be tortured is not a choice. It's
[2:47:31] Speaker 1: crazy that people will say, well, God gives you a choice,
[2:47:34] Speaker 1: but if your choices love me or burn, it's not
[2:47:37] Speaker 1: a real choice. And it's weird that they can't see
[2:47:39] Speaker 1: through it. But they're all suffering from Stockholm syndrome. That's
[2:47:42] Speaker 1: what happens when you have Stockholm syndrome, when your boyfriend
[2:47:47] Speaker 1: hits you and you're like, oh, I had it coming.
[2:47:49] Speaker 1: I did the thing he told me not to. He
[2:47:51] Speaker 1: had to hit me. Twenty four k all Day, thank
[2:47:54] Speaker 1: you so much for the fight. Hour of Supertet says
[2:47:56] Speaker 1: you're a victim. I agree that last guest is a
[2:47:58] Speaker 1: victim of Stockholm syndrome. And Jim Nasty, thank you so
[2:48:03] Speaker 1: much for the two dour Superjet says, God gives us
[2:48:05] Speaker 1: a choice but forces us into sin. You're right, God
[2:48:08] Speaker 1: gives us a choice, but we have no choice in
[2:48:11] Speaker 1: the sid nature. We have the sid nature. There's nothing
[2:48:13] Speaker 1: we could do about it. We just have it and
[2:48:16] Speaker 1: I reactor. Thank you for the six sixty six, says
[2:48:18] Speaker 1: this guy is going for victim blaming Bingo. He really was.
[2:48:22] Speaker 1: We should do a Stockholm Bingo card. That would be fun.
[2:48:28] Speaker 1: Emperor Rano, thank you for the face paint, and Mike,
[2:48:30] Speaker 1: thank you for the two dour super Thanks and my
[2:48:33] Speaker 1: conscious thank you so much for the two hour superchest
[2:48:35] Speaker 1: says I hope these people go back and listen to themselves.
[2:48:37] Speaker 1: They won't and they'll learn nothing, because that's how the
[2:48:41] Speaker 1: world works. And we just got a couple more super chats.
[2:48:44] Speaker 1: We're gonna get Morpheus loaded up though. Thank you so much.
[2:48:47] Speaker 1: Sabido for the five dourar supertest, says the whole I'll
[2:48:50] Speaker 1: be praying for you is just gross and disrespectful. Actually,
[2:48:52] Speaker 1: I agree with you. I do not understand why they
[2:48:55] Speaker 1: think that is a good idea. But Morpheus, listen, your
[2:48:59] Speaker 1: audio is finally working. I think we're we're ready to
[2:49:01] Speaker 1: rock and roll. Can you hear me?
[2:49:05] Speaker 2: Oh you can hear me?
[2:49:06] Speaker 6: Now?
[2:49:06] Speaker 3: Yeah?
[2:49:06] Speaker 1: We're good?
[2:49:08] Speaker 4: Yeah me?
[2:49:09] Speaker 1: Hey, can you hear me?
[2:49:10] Speaker 4: He he Justin? Justin can you see me?
[2:49:15] Speaker 1: I can see him?
[2:49:18] Speaker 4: Love Justin? Look yo, hey Justin. I was on the floor.
[2:49:34] Speaker 4: I was crying with the Chrishsions and the Muslims is
[2:49:39] Speaker 4: going at it.
[2:49:40] Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, that that was the wildest night ever.
[2:49:46] Speaker 4: Creeah. That was crazy. I was on the I was
[2:49:48] Speaker 4: on the floor. I said, they're not really doing this
[2:49:51] Speaker 4: right now? Man?
[2:49:55] Speaker 12: Yeah yeah, so uh but justin, uh, I want to
[2:49:59] Speaker 12: let you no, I don't know if you remember me,
[2:50:01] Speaker 12: but I'm the one that introduced Derek to you and
[2:50:04] Speaker 12: also a bergman.
[2:50:07] Speaker 4: I'm the one that put.
[2:50:10] Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, I recall them, yeah me, yeah, man.
[2:50:15] Speaker 12: I want to let me let me add this real quick.
[2:50:19] Speaker 12: I wanted to because I'm listening to the show about hell.
[2:50:24] Speaker 3: Right.
[2:50:25] Speaker 12: Here's one thing that people do not are missing, justin
[2:50:30] Speaker 12: that is, think about this. What was created first, heaven
[2:50:36] Speaker 12: and hell or humans? If I had to assume my humans.
[2:50:43] Speaker 1: Right, probably I would say the order you gave it Heaven,
[2:50:49] Speaker 1: hell and humans.
[2:50:53] Speaker 4: Okay, so watch this.
[2:50:55] Speaker 12: So then, Justin, if you went and got a fish tank, right,
[2:50:59] Speaker 12: and you bought filters, and you filtered up with water
[2:51:03] Speaker 12: and you have a temperatures, what are you planning on
[2:51:06] Speaker 12: putting inside that environment?
[2:51:09] Speaker 1: I mean I'm putting fish in there, fish right, Yeah?
[2:51:13] Speaker 4: Yeah, so then watch this.
[2:51:15] Speaker 12: So if we have think about Heaven and Hell, there
[2:51:19] Speaker 12: are two environments. So that means that the environments were
[2:51:23] Speaker 12: created before the species.
[2:51:26] Speaker 4: Correct.
[2:51:28] Speaker 12: Yeah, so that means justin that God intended to feel
[2:51:37] Speaker 12: those environments up prior to creating the creatures.
[2:51:41] Speaker 4: Correct.
[2:51:42] Speaker 1: That's a really good point because I asked a long
[2:51:45] Speaker 1: time ago. I did a calculation on how many people
[2:51:47] Speaker 1: would be in Hell, and according to the Bible, Hell
[2:51:50] Speaker 1: is on the inside of the earth, which means all
[2:51:53] Speaker 1: of those dead people are on the indside of the
[2:51:55] Speaker 1: earth somewhere. I don't know where there's enough room for them.
[2:52:01] Speaker 4: That's true.
[2:52:02] Speaker 12: But these guys don't get it that if the environment
[2:52:05] Speaker 12: was created first, that means God had intended right before
[2:52:12] Speaker 12: he even created the creatures. That means if he created
[2:52:15] Speaker 12: the environment, he intended of putting some people or some
[2:52:20] Speaker 12: things in that environment that he created way before he
[2:52:23] Speaker 12: quated the species.
[2:52:24] Speaker 1: Well to your point, Yeah, if he created Hell, he
[2:52:29] Speaker 1: knew for sure that he was going to send people there.
[2:52:34] Speaker 4: Exactly. That's the point I'm making. That's exactly the point.
[2:52:38] Speaker 4: That's exactly the point. Like how you just brought up
[2:52:41] Speaker 4: how you just brought up the point about satan.
[2:52:43] Speaker 12: Right, It's like if I have a vicious dog, and
[2:52:46] Speaker 12: I know my dog is vicious, and I let him
[2:52:49] Speaker 12: go and he goes.
[2:52:51] Speaker 4: And bite you, is it the dog fault or is
[2:52:54] Speaker 4: it my fault? Well, actually my fault.
[2:52:57] Speaker 1: According to the Bible, even it'd be your fault. The
[2:53:01] Speaker 1: Bible says, if you have an ox that is known
[2:53:04] Speaker 1: to gore other oxes or other people, that you're responsible
[2:53:07] Speaker 1: for that goring ox.
[2:53:11] Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly exactly.
[2:53:13] Speaker 12: So then how how I don't understand how they are
[2:53:17] Speaker 12: not taking you know, looking at that, and they don't
[2:53:21] Speaker 12: want to put the blame where it belongs, you know
[2:53:24] Speaker 12: what I mean, because it's fearful for them to admit
[2:53:29] Speaker 12: that or to say that, no matter how many times
[2:53:31] Speaker 12: you pointed out and you show it in their scripture
[2:53:35] Speaker 12: by from slavery to grape to all this stuff, and
[2:53:39] Speaker 12: all these things are commissioned by the biblical God, and
[2:53:43] Speaker 12: they were read it.
[2:53:44] Speaker 4: You were read it.
[2:53:45] Speaker 12: Step by step by step by step, verse by verse,
[2:53:49] Speaker 12: no interpretation. Right, But like you always say, things don't
[2:53:52] Speaker 12: mean what they say. The words don't mean words, they
[2:53:58] Speaker 12: mean something else. Because the mind, the brain psychological said no, no, no,
[2:54:03] Speaker 12: it has to be something else. There has to be
[2:54:05] Speaker 12: some type of explanation. No, no, so their brain start
[2:54:08] Speaker 12: to short circuit. You know it's short circuit. But I
[2:54:11] Speaker 12: just want to say, justin man, I love what you're doing.
[2:54:15] Speaker 12: I watch the show all the time.
[2:54:19] Speaker 4: I learned a lot.
[2:54:20] Speaker 25: Uh.
[2:54:21] Speaker 12: Sometimes when they have the Muslims on, I wish that
[2:54:24] Speaker 12: I could jump on because I speak Arabic fluently.
[2:54:27] Speaker 4: Right, I'll be Derek about me. Yeah, Derek could tell
[2:54:35] Speaker 4: you about me. I'm a beast. I can't when it
[2:54:39] Speaker 4: comes to that. Yeah, my brother, I talk to you,
[2:54:43] Speaker 4: so man, get the next person on.
[2:54:45] Speaker 1: All right, cheers brother, good to hear from you. A
[2:54:47] Speaker 1: big dub for mister Morpheus. I didn't know he could
[2:54:50] Speaker 1: speak Arabic. Actually I've spoken to him on Facebook, but
[2:54:54] Speaker 1: I didn't know that he could speak Arabic. Let me
[2:54:56] Speaker 1: grab our next guest here, guys, and we're gonna keep
[2:55:00] Speaker 1: the train rolling. We got a super chat again from
[2:55:03] Speaker 1: doctor Pizza, says abusive men will eventually conclude there is
[2:55:07] Speaker 1: a most abusive man. It's funny that a book written
[2:55:10] Speaker 1: by ourn age abusers would read just like abusive behavior
[2:55:14] Speaker 1: is good one hundred percent. Isn't that the craziest thing
[2:55:17] Speaker 1: that the book itself seems to be endorsing Stockholm syndrome.
[2:55:22] Speaker 1: So at least they're getting it from somewhere. It looks
[2:55:25] Speaker 1: like we've got og uh trad wife, welcome in, og Hey,
[2:55:30] Speaker 1: how are you good? Are you doing good? Og? Or
[2:55:36] Speaker 1: are you at least eighteen? And are you a believer?
[2:55:39] Speaker 5: I am fifty five, so.
[2:55:42] Speaker 19: I am coming out of two years of deconstructing, and
[2:55:46] Speaker 19: I just these people that you get on here, especially
[2:55:49] Speaker 19: the last guy that was really trying to defend his position.
[2:55:53] Speaker 5: You know, I first want to say, which you may know,
[2:55:56] Speaker 5: and I'm sure others know, this is like.
[2:55:57] Speaker 19: One of the most painful, horrific things you can never
[2:55:59] Speaker 19: go through, true, especially if you were like a dedicated Christian.
[2:56:04] Speaker 19: And it turned my world upside down and split my
[2:56:08] Speaker 19: family apart. But there's things that are missing because Christianity
[2:56:13] Speaker 19: works really hard.
[2:56:13] Speaker 5: To keep you out of the Old Testament. And so
[2:56:17] Speaker 5: at one point I became like to our observant or whatever.
[2:56:20] Speaker 19: And when I did that is when I started studying
[2:56:23] Speaker 19: the Old Testament and really seeing the truth about God
[2:56:26] Speaker 19: and all of the crimes against humanity that were committed
[2:56:30] Speaker 19: by him and allowed to be.
[2:56:32] Speaker 5: Committed and ordained by him.
[2:56:34] Speaker 19: But the one thing that started where I started deconstructing
[2:56:38] Speaker 19: was reading I think it was over eleven times I
[2:56:41] Speaker 19: read that no one can die for your sin, and
[2:56:46] Speaker 19: I mean, I've got I've got no I've got multiple
[2:56:49] Speaker 19: note notebooks that Christians need to look at that and
[2:56:53] Speaker 19: understand that, like the law says no one can die
[2:56:56] Speaker 19: for your sins, and then in multiple places, which is
[2:56:59] Speaker 19: a hu each contradiction, but multiple places. I think over
[2:57:03] Speaker 19: seventeen times. Human sacrifice is an abomination. Sacrifice from children
[2:57:07] Speaker 19: is an abomination, even though who does it anyways, But
[2:57:11] Speaker 19: there's once you if you would just go into the
[2:57:14] Speaker 19: Old Testament and start reading the Old Testament like that
[2:57:17] Speaker 19: was huge for me and it helped me. What was
[2:57:20] Speaker 19: horrific is the if you deny me, I'll deny you.
[2:57:24] Speaker 19: So like the scary part was being able to accept that, Okay, Jesus,
[2:57:29] Speaker 19: that's a whole lie, right, and understanding that when I
[2:57:34] Speaker 19: started looking and seeing that we don't even have any
[2:57:38] Speaker 19: original copies of the New Testament books and that we
[2:57:42] Speaker 19: only have fragments of copies, and so a lot of
[2:57:46] Speaker 19: this is put together another you're probably the best deconstructor.
[2:57:53] Speaker 5: Okay, go ahead, Sorry.
[2:57:54] Speaker 1: I appreciate that. Let me follow up your passage about
[2:57:57] Speaker 1: no one can die for the sins of another, because
[2:57:58] Speaker 1: there's a really interesting story. And first Samuel that relates
[2:58:02] Speaker 1: to this says, know, my sons, it is not a
[2:58:05] Speaker 1: good report that they hear the people of the Lord
[2:58:07] Speaker 1: spreading abroad. If one person, this is Eli speaking about
[2:58:12] Speaker 1: his rebellious sons, says, if one person sins against another,
[2:58:16] Speaker 1: someone can intercede for the sinner with the Lord. But
[2:58:19] Speaker 1: if someone sins against the Lord, who can make intercession.
[2:58:24] Speaker 1: But they would not listen to the voice of the Father,
[2:58:26] Speaker 1: for it was the will of the Lord to kill them.
[2:58:29] Speaker 1: So even Eli, the priest, is recognizing that if you
[2:58:32] Speaker 1: sin against God, no one can come to save you.
[2:58:34] Speaker 1: No one dying for your sins. It's between you and God.
[2:58:39] Speaker 5: Exactly.
[2:58:40] Speaker 19: And the guy that was on a little bit ago,
[2:58:42] Speaker 19: you know, he he kept trying to say, Satan, you know,
[2:58:45] Speaker 19: created evil. No God point blank says I created evil, right,
[2:58:49] Speaker 19: I create Even if you look in the law, if
[2:58:52] Speaker 19: you don't obey his law, then He's going to bring
[2:58:55] Speaker 19: about all the calamities against you, all of them. Everything
[2:58:59] Speaker 19: is from him, and he he brags about the fact
[2:59:01] Speaker 19: that he brings about all the calamities, all the storms,
[2:59:04] Speaker 19: all the sickness, all the cancer.
[2:59:06] Speaker 5: All the sores, the gout. I mean, there's like a whole.
[2:59:09] Speaker 19: List of all the sicknesses that he brings. And he's
[2:59:13] Speaker 19: point blank says I created.
[2:59:15] Speaker 26: Good and evil.
[2:59:16] Speaker 19: So you know, people need to stop like trying. Everybody
[2:59:20] Speaker 19: wants to. And Satan didn't even exist in the whole
[2:59:23] Speaker 19: entire Old Testament. Satan came out in the New Testament
[2:59:26] Speaker 19: after they were all hellenized because it's Greek mythology, and
[2:59:30] Speaker 19: how didn't exist in the Old Testament, you know. And
[2:59:33] Speaker 19: it's like Christianity has literally brainwashed and Stockholm syndrome isn't
[2:59:39] Speaker 19: even in my opinion, good enough, like good enough to
[2:59:44] Speaker 19: say what Christianity has done to people because we are
[2:59:47] Speaker 19: literally I used to I am fifty five years old,
[2:59:50] Speaker 19: and like I my beliefs were because of what I
[2:59:54] Speaker 19: was taught in.
[2:59:54] Speaker 27: Christianity, and like homosexuality is wrong and you're gonna go
[2:59:57] Speaker 27: to Hell and all this. And I have a daughter
[2:59:59] Speaker 27: who is gay, and like I nearly destroyed my relationship
[3:00:03] Speaker 27: with her because of that belief and what Christianity has done,
[3:00:08] Speaker 27: and it seems to be only in our country because
[3:00:10] Speaker 27: like other countries aren't warped like we are.
[3:00:13] Speaker 4: But it is.
[3:00:13] Speaker 19: It should be banned and it should be out bawed,
[3:00:16] Speaker 19: and it is so destructive and it is so hateful
[3:00:21] Speaker 19: and it is so evil, and you know, and even
[3:00:25] Speaker 19: on here, I deconstructed on TikTok right here, and that
[3:00:30] Speaker 19: shit I took from people and still get to this day,
[3:00:34] Speaker 19: which my channel got deleted because whatever, and I had
[3:00:36] Speaker 19: to start a new one.
[3:00:37] Speaker 5: But the point is is that if people would just
[3:00:41] Speaker 5: open their eyes.
[3:00:45] Speaker 19: About faith, take the leap of faith that you have
[3:00:48] Speaker 19: been lied to about Christianity and the destructive force, if
[3:00:53] Speaker 19: there is any evil on this planet, like true evil,
[3:00:56] Speaker 19: that is the religion.
[3:00:58] Speaker 1: And that's yeah, I'm with you, listen. Thanks thanks for
[3:01:02] Speaker 1: sharing with us. And you know, if you're not part
[3:01:04] Speaker 1: of our deconstruction discord, I'd definitely recommend you jumping in
[3:01:07] Speaker 1: and joining the crew. Love to hear from you. All right, cool,
[3:01:12] Speaker 1: thank you, big w thanks for coming up. Uh, all right,
[3:01:16] Speaker 1: we're gonna get our next guest.
[3:01:18] Speaker 3: Guys.
[3:01:18] Speaker 1: We're trying to get debates in tonight as best as
[3:01:22] Speaker 1: we can. We got a couple hours left in the
[3:01:24] Speaker 1: live still yet, so come on through.
[3:01:28] Speaker 4: Uh.
[3:01:28] Speaker 1: People are asking can you join the discord? Of course
[3:01:30] Speaker 1: you can. Anyone can join. Uh just click the link
[3:01:32] Speaker 1: in my profile in my link tree and you'll be
[3:01:35] Speaker 1: able to join our Discord community. Now, not your average
[3:01:39] Speaker 1: Joe is trying. They're trying to come back through. This
[3:01:42] Speaker 1: is like time number six.
[3:01:43] Speaker 26: We're gonna see if six, We're gonna see if they're fuck.
[3:01:46] Speaker 1: Of course you got an echo. Not your average Joe.
[3:01:48] Speaker 1: Get some headphones or turn off speaker phone or do something.
[3:01:52] Speaker 25: Okay, okay, can you hear me?
[3:01:53] Speaker 1: I can hear you.
[3:01:54] Speaker 8: I can hear you.
[3:01:55] Speaker 1: I can also hear me echoing in your equipment? Do
[3:01:58] Speaker 1: you have headphones you can plug in?
[3:02:01] Speaker 3: Is?
[3:02:03] Speaker 25: How do I take it off?
[3:02:03] Speaker 20: Speaker?
[3:02:04] Speaker 1: I don't know it's your I don't know it's your equipment.
[3:02:08] Speaker 3: Man.
[3:02:08] Speaker 25: Okay, yeah, I got headphones. One set? Hold on, Hey
[3:02:13] Speaker 25: you got headphones?
[3:02:14] Speaker 4: Hey you got headphones?
[3:02:16] Speaker 25: I need to use them real quick. Can you show
[3:02:20] Speaker 25: me where they're at?
[3:02:22] Speaker 4: All right?
[3:02:25] Speaker 13: Yeah?
[3:02:25] Speaker 25: One second, I got them?
[3:02:27] Speaker 4: All right?
[3:02:32] Speaker 25: Do you mind you could disconnect them if they're plugged in?
[3:02:37] Speaker 25: All right?
[3:02:43] Speaker 19: Yeah?
[3:02:44] Speaker 25: Okay, you should be able to hear me.
[3:02:47] Speaker 13: Now, I can hear you.
[3:02:49] Speaker 4: I hear you.
[3:02:52] Speaker 25: I'll let you know when the Bluetooth hooks up and
[3:02:55] Speaker 25: the headphones are about to be on.
[3:03:00] Speaker 1: All right, while he's doing that, Jim Nasty, thank you
[3:03:04] Speaker 1: again for the super Chat. Ten of our super Chat says,
[3:03:07] Speaker 1: as long as White Jesus doesn't bring potato salad with
[3:03:10] Speaker 1: raisins in it, and he can bring whatever he thinks
[3:03:13] Speaker 1: will be good punishment for me, spank me while he's
[3:03:15] Speaker 1: at it.
[3:03:15] Speaker 4: That's right.
[3:03:19] Speaker 1: You can ride my ass at least pull my hair, right. Yeah,
[3:03:22] Speaker 1: I can hear you, and I think the echo's gone,
[3:03:24] Speaker 1: so I think we're ready to rock and roll.
[3:03:28] Speaker 7: Okay, cool.
[3:03:29] Speaker 25: Yeah, I was gonna say, I guess you gotta ask
[3:03:34] Speaker 25: me the questions first.
[3:03:35] Speaker 1: If I'm eighteen and whatever, Yeah, we don't talk to
[3:03:38] Speaker 1: children here, So are you at least eighteen? And are
[3:03:41] Speaker 1: you a believer?
[3:03:44] Speaker 25: Yes, I'm over eighteen, and that's kind of complicated. Well,
[3:03:48] Speaker 25: I'll say this. My background is Orthodox Christian and I've
[3:03:52] Speaker 25: been questioning religion in general for a while and I
[3:03:56] Speaker 25: found your videos and I gotta say I'll impressed with
[3:04:01] Speaker 25: your videos, and specifically one on Jeremiah thirty three, fourteen
[3:04:05] Speaker 25: through six. But I was disappointed to find out when
[3:04:08] Speaker 25: that is not in my Orthodox Study Bible, because my
[3:04:13] Speaker 25: Orthodox Study Bible is based on the Septuagent and it's
[3:04:16] Speaker 25: not in there. So I was gonna ask if you
[3:04:18] Speaker 25: if you could provide an equivalent verse of equal weight
[3:04:22] Speaker 25: that is also found in the Septuagent, and if you
[3:04:26] Speaker 25: can find a verse that says that when the Messiah
[3:04:28] Speaker 25: first comes, he will have to fulfill all those things.
[3:04:33] Speaker 1: Well, there's a bunch of passages, so like I would
[3:04:36] Speaker 1: probably point you towards like Ezekiel thirty seven, but I
[3:04:40] Speaker 1: would also ask, why is the Septuagent more important than
[3:04:43] Speaker 1: what the actual Hebrew text says.
[3:04:47] Speaker 25: Well, i'd say that because, well, I'm Orthodox Christians, so
[3:04:51] Speaker 25: that has relevancy to me, but also because the Septuagent
[3:04:56] Speaker 25: was translated before the Masoretic texts, and scholars say that
[3:05:02] Speaker 25: those specific verses that you quoted from Jeremiah thirty three,
[3:05:07] Speaker 25: fourteen through six are only found in the Mazeritic text
[3:05:11] Speaker 25: and in the septuagen or the Orthodox study bobble, you'll
[3:05:15] Speaker 25: see Jeremiah thirty three, but it won't even be called
[3:05:18] Speaker 25: Jeremiah thirty three. It's Jeremiah forty and it only goes
[3:05:21] Speaker 25: up to verse thirteen, So scholars say that it was
[3:05:24] Speaker 25: added on later later by the Mazurites.
[3:05:29] Speaker 1: Right, so it is actually in Jeremiah thirty three in
[3:05:33] Speaker 1: the Septuagint.
[3:05:34] Speaker 3: Here is the.
[3:05:37] Speaker 1: English edition from the Sir Breton Lancelot edition. It says, Behold,
[3:05:43] Speaker 1: the days are coming, declares the Lord. When I will
[3:05:45] Speaker 1: fulfill the gracious promise that I have spoken to the
[3:05:48] Speaker 1: House of Israel, into the House of Judah in those days,
[3:05:51] Speaker 1: and at that time I will cause a sprout for
[3:05:54] Speaker 1: David a righteous branch, and he will administer justice and
[3:05:57] Speaker 1: righteousness in the land. In those days, you will be saved,
[3:06:01] Speaker 1: and Jerusalem will dwell securely. For this is a name
[3:06:04] Speaker 1: by which it would be called. The Lord is our righteousness.
[3:06:08] Speaker 1: For this is what the Lord says. David will never
[3:06:10] Speaker 1: lack a man to sit on the throne of the
[3:06:12] Speaker 1: House of Israel, nor will the priests who are leevites
[3:06:16] Speaker 1: ever fail to have a man before me to offer
[3:06:18] Speaker 1: burnt offerings and to burn green offerings, to present sacrifices.
[3:06:25] Speaker 25: Oh, what book and what verse is that?
[3:06:28] Speaker 19: In?
[3:06:29] Speaker 25: Particularly? So I can see that right now.
[3:06:31] Speaker 1: It's glory on muscreen, so I can blow it up,
[3:06:34] Speaker 1: make it bigger. It's Jeremiah thirty three, verse fourteen through
[3:06:39] Speaker 1: eighteen in the Brenton Septuogens.
[3:06:42] Speaker 25: Yes, yeah, yeah, it's not in my uh Britain subtugent.
[3:06:47] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[3:06:48] Speaker 25: I try to look it up, and it's not in
[3:06:50] Speaker 25: the subtu agent. When I looked it up, I don't know.
[3:06:53] Speaker 25: I mean, hold on, could you you said, uh, Jeremiah
[3:07:00] Speaker 25: thirty three.
[3:07:01] Speaker 1: Yeah, Jeremiah thirty three, Jeremiah. I've got a hard copy
[3:07:05] Speaker 1: on my shelf. It's probably the same when you got
[3:07:06] Speaker 1: hold on.
[3:07:16] Speaker 25: See it says right here, it only goes up to
[3:07:18] Speaker 25: verse thirteen. I'm looking on Breton's septuo gent translation. It
[3:07:23] Speaker 25: goes only to verse thirteen, and then it says the
[3:07:27] Speaker 25: Covenant with David omitted text, omitted text, omitted text, blah
[3:07:31] Speaker 25: blah blah, says it's not in there. I just read
[3:07:37] Speaker 25: it from the Breton septu Agent. Could you show me that,
[3:07:42] Speaker 25: like the actual Greek? Like I know there's a website
[3:07:46] Speaker 25: that has like the Greek on there.
[3:07:48] Speaker 1: Can you read Greek?
[3:07:51] Speaker 4: All right?
[3:07:58] Speaker 25: And also I was gonna add as well, I was
[3:08:01] Speaker 25: gonna ask this while you're while you're looking that up.
[3:08:03] Speaker 6: Uh.
[3:08:04] Speaker 25: A lot of Uh, I've seen a lot of like atheists, uh,
[3:08:10] Speaker 25: not atheist scholar, but biblical scholars. And also jew uh
[3:08:16] Speaker 25: like Jewish apollo, like a like people who are into
[3:08:23] Speaker 25: like Jewish apologetics. They've said things like, uh, the Messiah
[3:08:28] Speaker 25: did not fulfill these things because uh, like you know
[3:08:32] Speaker 25: the list of like everything they say didn't fulfill. But
[3:08:35] Speaker 25: I would say that a lot of those verses are
[3:08:38] Speaker 25: in like a future tense, such as Isaiah two, verse
[3:08:42] Speaker 25: two and an example of this, and it says now
[3:08:46] Speaker 25: it shall come to pass in the last days. So
[3:08:49] Speaker 25: I'm wondering what you have to say about that since
[3:08:51] Speaker 25: it says like a future tense in the last days
[3:08:54] Speaker 25: instead of saying, like when the Messiah first comes, Like
[3:08:57] Speaker 25: I just want to have a verse that says.
[3:08:59] Speaker 1: There's no first coming whatsoever. There's no first coming of
[3:09:03] Speaker 1: the Messiah in the Old Testament. Every time the Messiah
[3:09:07] Speaker 1: is mentioned in the Old Testament, it is last days.
[3:09:13] Speaker 25: Okay, But do you have a verse that says, like
[3:09:15] Speaker 25: when he first comes, he will, you know, bring peace
[3:09:18] Speaker 25: to the world and uh like have like one world God,
[3:09:23] Speaker 25: you know, the things that they said, they that he
[3:09:25] Speaker 25: has to fulfill. I mean, do you have something of
[3:09:28] Speaker 25: that sort.
[3:09:28] Speaker 1: Yeah, we just read it. Jeremiah thirty three, Isaiah chapter eleven,
[3:09:32] Speaker 1: Isaiah chapter two, Michaeh chapter four, Michael chapter five, Zachariad
[3:09:35] Speaker 1: chapter nine, Zachariah chapter eight.
[3:09:42] Speaker 25: All right, could you read the could you give me
[3:09:44] Speaker 25: like a like a could you read those for me?
[3:09:46] Speaker 25: I mean, I'm sitting here trying to get the Book
[3:09:50] Speaker 25: of Jeremiah opened up on my book right here, just
[3:09:54] Speaker 25: a cross reference. All right, let's see here, because I
[3:10:03] Speaker 25: am open minded about this, like I honestly have been
[3:10:06] Speaker 25: questioning Christianity for a while. And okay, so I'm at Jeremiah. Okay,
[3:10:12] Speaker 25: so I'm going to thirty three. And in my book,
[3:10:16] Speaker 25: thirty three is nothing nothing of the same. It says
[3:10:21] Speaker 25: thirty three Jeremiah is spared from death in the beginning
[3:10:25] Speaker 25: of the reign king Yeho Kim, the son of Yosiah.
[3:10:29] Speaker 25: This word came from the Lord. Thus says the Lord,
[3:10:32] Speaker 25: standing in the court of the house of the Lord,
[3:10:35] Speaker 25: and you shall declare to all Juday and all who
[3:10:38] Speaker 25: came to worship. Yeah, it's a different book. But when
[3:10:41] Speaker 25: you go to Jeremiah forty it's the same one you're
[3:10:44] Speaker 25: talking about. The nation will be restored. The word of
[3:10:47] Speaker 25: the Lord came to Jeremiah second time when he was
[3:10:50] Speaker 25: yet back.
[3:10:51] Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the passage that we're referring to Lord,
[3:10:54] Speaker 1: he who made it. The passage that we're referring to
[3:10:57] Speaker 1: is probably in a different order in the septuagent version
[3:11:00] Speaker 1: that you're using. And this is the problem with the septuagen. Yeah,
[3:11:03] Speaker 1: because we've got so many different editions of the Greek Septuagen.
[3:11:06] Speaker 1: The Book of Jeremiah's all over the place, Like, there's
[3:11:09] Speaker 1: no single septuagen text of Jeremiah that is unified that
[3:11:14] Speaker 1: reads like the one we have today. Every every single
[3:11:17] Speaker 1: time we've got a text of Jeremiah, it's going to
[3:11:21] Speaker 1: be it's going to be different from the Greek septuagen.
[3:11:25] Speaker 1: The original Breton Septuagen of eighteen fifty one appears to
[3:11:30] Speaker 1: lack the verses you're referring to the Covenant of David
[3:11:34] Speaker 1: section that's lacking in the eighteen fifty one edition. So
[3:11:40] Speaker 1: it must have been subsequently added.
[3:11:44] Speaker 25: Okay, so the the verses you're saying were added into.
[3:11:48] Speaker 1: It, right, Well, I'm saying they've been added into a
[3:11:52] Speaker 1: version of the Septuagen after the eighteen fifty one edition.
[3:11:57] Speaker 25: That's what I'm saying, Like the original Greeks, Greeks to
[3:12:00] Speaker 25: agent didn't have it.
[3:12:01] Speaker 3: Well, there is no.
[3:12:01] Speaker 1: Original Greek sceptugion. Well, there's no such thing as an
[3:12:08] Speaker 1: original Greek sceptu agent. It's not a real thing.
[3:12:13] Speaker 25: I'm not saying. I'm not saying there's like we have
[3:12:16] Speaker 25: the original one. I'm saying that the Septuogen didn't have
[3:12:19] Speaker 25: it until the Masoretic Text.
[3:12:20] Speaker 1: No, that's not true at all.
[3:12:24] Speaker 25: What do you mean?
[3:12:25] Speaker 1: What do you mean we're talking about what the oldest
[3:12:27] Speaker 1: Greek sceptu agent manuscripts are. We don't have any Greek
[3:12:29] Speaker 1: scept tu agent manuscripts that pre date like the Dead
[3:12:33] Speaker 1: Sea scrolls, that would tell us they weren't there. But
[3:12:37] Speaker 1: even if it did, all you're doing is all you're
[3:12:40] Speaker 1: doing is proving my case for me, which is that
[3:12:42] Speaker 1: the Biblical texts aren't actually reliable. If the Biblical texts
[3:12:46] Speaker 1: are all over the place as to what actually was
[3:12:48] Speaker 1: part of the Greek sceptu agent, you got a big problem.
[3:12:53] Speaker 25: But the thing is, you talk about the dead Sea
[3:12:55] Speaker 25: Scrolls that indicate they weren't there. But we don't find
[3:12:57] Speaker 25: we don't even find that part of Jeremiah in the
[3:13:00] Speaker 25: Dead Sea Scrolls.
[3:13:01] Speaker 1: Unfortunately, Actually I don't know what part of Jeremiah showed
[3:13:04] Speaker 1: up in that section of the Dead Sea Scrolls. But
[3:13:08] Speaker 1: also irrelevant. I can full I can find you what's
[3:13:10] Speaker 1: in the Dead Scrolls.
[3:13:13] Speaker 25: But you got to admit the Septuagen came before the
[3:13:15] Speaker 25: Massoretic Text, right.
[3:13:18] Speaker 1: It didn't come before the Hebrew text. So here's here's
[3:13:21] Speaker 1: the problem you're finding. Well, hold on, hold on, you
[3:13:24] Speaker 1: you have no idea what you're talking about. Just chill Joe,
[3:13:27] Speaker 1: just chill out. Okay, Well, the Dead Sea Scrolls pre
[3:13:30] Speaker 1: date nearly every edition of the Greek Septugent. We have
[3:13:34] Speaker 1: every single one. So the Dead Sea Scrolls are the oldest,
[3:13:38] Speaker 1: and Dead Sea Scrolls match the Massoretic Text approximately sixty
[3:13:42] Speaker 1: five percent of the time, which means about sixty five
[3:13:45] Speaker 1: percent of the time the master Eats were copying manuscripts
[3:13:49] Speaker 1: that are older than what we have in the Greek Sceptuogen.
[3:13:52] Speaker 1: We don't have early copies of the Greek Septuagen in
[3:13:56] Speaker 1: the same way that we don't have early copies of
[3:13:59] Speaker 1: the massoretic text. When it comes to like pre Jesus
[3:14:02] Speaker 1: textual witnesses, it's just a clusterfuck of manuscripts. It's a
[3:14:05] Speaker 1: cluster of Greek, it's a cluster of Hebrew. None of
[3:14:07] Speaker 1: them agree with each other. There's That's why we have
[3:14:10] Speaker 1: scholars that spend their entire lives doing textual criticism, and
[3:14:14] Speaker 1: even they don't agree as to what was probably in
[3:14:17] Speaker 1: the regional text. All this to say, this should cause
[3:14:21] Speaker 1: you to doubt whether or not the Bible has been preserved,
[3:14:23] Speaker 1: because it certainly wasn't preserved in the Greek text.
[3:14:28] Speaker 25: Okay, well, why do they say that the Septuo Agent
[3:14:32] Speaker 25: was dated to three hundred BC.
[3:14:34] Speaker 1: They don't say that.
[3:14:38] Speaker 2: What do you mean?
[3:14:38] Speaker 25: If I'll look it up on Wikipedia says it's usually
[3:14:41] Speaker 25: dated from between three hundred BC to the first century BC.
[3:14:46] Speaker 1: Hey, that's the earliest translations of the Greek Septuo Agent
[3:14:51] Speaker 1: were only the first five books of Moses. And according
[3:14:53] Speaker 1: to the Letters of Aristeus, it was the first five
[3:14:57] Speaker 1: books of Moses, and they were translated in the third
[3:15:00] Speaker 1: century or so. Everything after that we have no idea
[3:15:03] Speaker 1: when they were translated as we know is that they
[3:15:07] Speaker 1: were translated prior to the time of the New Testament,
[3:15:09] Speaker 1: because the New Testament was writing from them or quoting
[3:15:12] Speaker 1: from them exactly.
[3:15:13] Speaker 25: That's what I'm saying. The oldest books, like the ones
[3:15:16] Speaker 25: you're saying, came first in the septug and and then
[3:15:18] Speaker 25: the other ones like all the all the rest of
[3:15:20] Speaker 25: the books were translated after. That's that's what I was
[3:15:23] Speaker 25: trying to say, between third century BC to the first
[3:15:27] Speaker 25: century BC, but definitely before Christ is what I'm trying
[3:15:30] Speaker 25: to say. Also, Asoretic text is actually from the thous
[3:15:34] Speaker 25: is from one thousand thousand AD.
[3:15:36] Speaker 1: No, that's not even close. The Massoretic Text doesn't start
[3:15:40] Speaker 1: in a thousand a D. The Masoretic Text began their
[3:15:43] Speaker 1: work in the six hundreds.
[3:15:46] Speaker 25: So here is the mean I'm saying.
[3:15:48] Speaker 1: Here is what we have from the Dead Sea Scrolls.
[3:15:52] Speaker 1: Jeremiah thirty three does show up in the Dead Sea
[3:15:55] Speaker 1: Scrolls in one small fragment, and it contains Jeremiah thirty
[3:15:59] Speaker 1: three sixteenth through twenty, and what came before that was broken, So.
[3:16:06] Speaker 25: It only has the wait. So which part does it have?
[3:16:08] Speaker 1: Can you start off with what it has Verses sixteen
[3:16:10] Speaker 1: through twenty in Jeremiah thirty three slash forty does show
[3:16:15] Speaker 1: up in the Dead Sea Scrolls, which means the section
[3:16:20] Speaker 1: in the Brenton Septuagen that's not here when you go
[3:16:24] Speaker 1: to versus fourteen to twenty six. These omated verses in
[3:16:29] Speaker 1: whatever edition of the Greek septu Agent that Breton was
[3:16:32] Speaker 1: working from in the eighteen hundreds, they were present in
[3:16:36] Speaker 1: the Dead Sea Scrolls. They did existed. Verses sixteen through
[3:16:39] Speaker 1: twenty existed.
[3:16:41] Speaker 25: But isn't six could I could be wrong, But isn't
[3:16:44] Speaker 25: sixteen talking about the grain offerings and not the h
[3:16:47] Speaker 25: what he would do when he? I mean, I don't know,
[3:16:49] Speaker 25: let me go back to it, okay, thirty three verse fourteen. Okay,
[3:16:53] Speaker 25: So it says sixteen would say in those days Judah
[3:16:56] Speaker 25: will be saved and Jerusalem will live in safety. That's
[3:16:59] Speaker 25: what it says.
[3:16:59] Speaker 3: In the.
[3:17:01] Speaker 1: Oh I haven't translated it says. It gets part of
[3:17:05] Speaker 1: sixteen all the way through twenty twenty starts here. It
[3:17:08] Speaker 1: gets only the very first two words of sixteen, which
[3:17:12] Speaker 1: starts with yahweh. So this word here is yahweh. And
[3:17:15] Speaker 1: then this word that's broken, zeta kanoe is some alternative
[3:17:20] Speaker 1: of zeekaya or righteousness or you know, Yahweh will make
[3:17:24] Speaker 1: righteous or something of that nature. And then key is
[3:17:28] Speaker 1: four co is either thus amar is to stand or
[3:17:35] Speaker 1: this could be a priest says for a priest will
[3:17:39] Speaker 1: stand Yahweh. So a priest will stand before Yahweh.
[3:17:47] Speaker 25: Okay, okay, all right, so that's seventeen or sixteen.
[3:17:51] Speaker 1: Sixteen, Well that's that's seventeen, ok okay.
[3:17:55] Speaker 25: Yeah, I'm reading it right now. Says there will be
[3:17:58] Speaker 25: a man to sit on the throne of Israel. Probably
[3:18:00] Speaker 25: what you're referring.
[3:18:01] Speaker 1: To right in thirty three seventeen or sixteen.
[3:18:08] Speaker 25: You said the one you were just reading about a
[3:18:10] Speaker 25: pre standing.
[3:18:13] Speaker 1: It sounds to me like it's actually quoting from eighteen.
[3:18:19] Speaker 25: From eighteen.
[3:18:20] Speaker 1: Well, the verse numberings aren't the same, my man. These
[3:18:22] Speaker 1: were written before verse numbers existed.
[3:18:27] Speaker 25: Okay, So how do they know it's sixteen to eighteen.
[3:18:29] Speaker 1: Then, because they've translated it and they know that it matches.
[3:18:34] Speaker 25: Okay, all right, I see you now, all right, So
[3:18:37] Speaker 25: that's what I'm saying.
[3:18:37] Speaker 1: We have the section of Jeremiah in the Dead Sea
[3:18:41] Speaker 1: Scrolls that pre date the Greek scept Tuo agent the
[3:18:43] Speaker 1: part that's missing from your edition of the Greek scept
[3:18:46] Speaker 1: two Agent. But I've also got hold on.
[3:18:53] Speaker 25: Would you say that Isaiah eleven eleven kind of matches
[3:18:59] Speaker 25: kind of aches Jeremiah thirty three U fourteen through sixteen
[3:19:09] Speaker 25: where it talks about like when he first I need
[3:19:11] Speaker 25: to find a verse where it says when he first comes,
[3:19:14] Speaker 25: like when he first comes, that he will do these things,
[3:19:18] Speaker 25: like in word for word, because like I want to
[3:19:20] Speaker 25: prove to myself.
[3:19:21] Speaker 1: I don't have my critical edition of the Greek scept
[3:19:24] Speaker 1: Tuo Gent anywheres. I don't know where I put it.
[3:19:25] Speaker 1: It must be downstairs. I've got a critical edition of
[3:19:27] Speaker 1: the Greek scept Tu Agent that lists all of the
[3:19:30] Speaker 1: manuscripts for this, it must be downstairs. But the manuscripts
[3:19:36] Speaker 1: exist because I have English translations of the Greek scept
[3:19:40] Speaker 1: Tu Agent that include Jeremiah thirty three the verses we
[3:19:43] Speaker 1: just read. So whatever manuscripts Breton was working with, we
[3:19:47] Speaker 1: he didn't have them, but we have them now.
[3:19:51] Speaker 25: Okay, all right, I guess that answers that question. I
[3:19:56] Speaker 25: guess so partially part like part of video is true,
[3:20:00] Speaker 25: because I guess half of it's in there, right so
[3:20:03] Speaker 25: I guess, no.
[3:20:04] Speaker 1: It's true because the Greek septuagen is a translation of
[3:20:08] Speaker 1: the Hebrew. We have older Hebrew texts that retain the verses.
[3:20:15] Speaker 25: Yeah, but what I'm saying is like it it's before
[3:20:18] Speaker 25: the Masoretic, and I don't think.
[3:20:20] Speaker 1: They have I don't think you know what the Masoretic
[3:20:22] Speaker 1: even means. You know what that word means, yes, describing the.
[3:20:28] Speaker 25: What Theites.
[3:20:30] Speaker 1: But we have Hebrew manuscripts that predate the Massareats. It
[3:20:35] Speaker 1: doesn't matter if it's part of the Masoretic tradition. We
[3:20:38] Speaker 1: have Hebrew manuscripts that predate the Dead Sea Scrolls and
[3:20:41] Speaker 1: the Massareats. Like what we literally just read it. It's
[3:20:49] Speaker 1: four Q Jeremiah.
[3:20:50] Speaker 25: See are you talking about the Dead Sea scrolls?
[3:20:54] Speaker 1: Yes, you know we have we have quotations from Church
[3:20:58] Speaker 1: fathers too.
[3:21:02] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[3:21:04] Speaker 25: Okay, So I guess, like, like I was asking you earlier,
[3:21:09] Speaker 25: could you find me a verse like word like not
[3:21:11] Speaker 25: in Jeremiah, but like somewhere else.
[3:21:13] Speaker 1: Let's let me, let me let me make this much
[3:21:15] Speaker 1: easier conversation. Give me one prophecy he actually fulfilled.
[3:21:22] Speaker 25: Well, i'd say one thing that really has been uh,
[3:21:27] Speaker 25: making me kind of question like atheism is Micah five too,
[3:21:32] Speaker 25: because and let me let me tell you why. Because
[3:21:34] Speaker 25: in Micah five to two it says, let me go
[3:21:39] Speaker 25: to the translation here, all right, it says that he
[3:21:45] Speaker 25: comes his going forth is from old yep, from the
[3:21:49] Speaker 25: days of eternity.
[3:21:51] Speaker 4: Mm hmm.
[3:21:52] Speaker 25: So a lot of a lot of I watched Tobias
[3:21:56] Speaker 25: Singer and a lot of other rabbis, and they were
[3:21:59] Speaker 25: trying to you know, and I even went to your
[3:22:01] Speaker 25: discord and someone I think, you know, Crystal j or
[3:22:05] Speaker 25: some other person was saying that it was just a
[3:22:07] Speaker 25: random king. It was a random king that was supposed
[3:22:09] Speaker 25: to rule Israel. Okay, if it was a random king,
[3:22:13] Speaker 25: then why does it say their origins they're going forth
[3:22:17] Speaker 25: was from of old, from the days of eternity. No,
[3:22:21] Speaker 25: no person on earth.
[3:22:22] Speaker 1: That's not really what it should be translated as by origins.
[3:22:26] Speaker 1: So this is where the So, this is the problem
[3:22:28] Speaker 1: with the Greek sceptuagen is it mistranslates all kinds of stuff.
[3:22:31] Speaker 1: Whoever translated the Greek sceptu Agent didn't do a good job.
[3:22:35] Speaker 1: But the text itself is referring to somebody from the
[3:22:39] Speaker 1: ancient line of King David That's why it mentions Bethlehem
[3:22:43] Speaker 1: and Ephratha. Those are the oldest ancestors of King David
[3:22:47] Speaker 1: in the Bible. The origin of the king is going
[3:22:50] Speaker 1: to be from old well from what, from the lineage
[3:22:53] Speaker 1: of David, From the ancient lineage of King David. That's
[3:22:56] Speaker 1: what it's talking about. It's not saying that this king
[3:22:59] Speaker 1: is going to have any eternal past.
[3:23:03] Speaker 25: What it's talking about Messiah.
[3:23:04] Speaker 1: Right, Well, I think it could be a Messianic vision,
[3:23:07] Speaker 1: but it certainly didn't come true because Jesus was never
[3:23:10] Speaker 1: a king and he was never a ruler.
[3:23:14] Speaker 25: But the thing is, if you go to the passage,
[3:23:16] Speaker 25: I'm not if you go to the chapter.
[3:23:19] Speaker 1: I'm there, but before that, but listen to what it
[3:23:22] Speaker 1: actually says. It says, one will come forth to me
[3:23:26] Speaker 1: to be a ruler of Israel. When did Jesus ever
[3:23:29] Speaker 1: rule in Israel?
[3:23:34] Speaker 25: Well, I mean, I get, I mean, Christians have an
[3:23:37] Speaker 25: interpretation of that, But I'm trying to say that the.
[3:23:41] Speaker 1: So he never ruled in Israel?
[3:23:42] Speaker 25: Five right, so no, so.
[3:23:46] Speaker 1: Then he didn't fulfill the prophecy.
[3:23:47] Speaker 25: I mean, I'm not, well, I mean, couldn't you partially
[3:23:51] Speaker 25: fulfill a prophecy? No, and couldn't it be talking Well okay,
[3:23:57] Speaker 25: well let's just say the prophecy split up, right, and you.
[3:24:00] Speaker 1: It's not split up. First part says there's going to
[3:24:02] Speaker 1: be a king who's going to come and rule. The
[3:24:07] Speaker 1: king he didn't rule anything with you.
[3:24:09] Speaker 4: I agree with you.
[3:24:10] Speaker 25: Let's just say this. I agree with you, and I'm
[3:24:12] Speaker 25: questioning Christianity. I agree with you, and I think it is.
[3:24:16] Speaker 25: But if you go to Michael four, Assia, So what
[3:24:19] Speaker 25: about that?
[3:24:20] Speaker 1: Yeah, Michael four talks about the time of peace, right,
[3:24:23] Speaker 1: and that never happened.
[3:24:25] Speaker 25: Yeah, it talks so yeah, it talks about how there
[3:24:27] Speaker 25: would be like worldwide peace and in Micah four and
[3:24:30] Speaker 25: and how the Messiah would would destroy all the countries
[3:24:34] Speaker 25: around and conquer the world, right yep.
[3:24:37] Speaker 1: And that's supposed to be the person from Michael.
[3:24:41] Speaker 25: Yeah, So why would you go to Michael five and
[3:24:43] Speaker 25: then say that's not him the same.
[3:24:44] Speaker 1: Person it is. I agree with you. The proper interpretation
[3:24:47] Speaker 1: of Michael five is that this person is going to
[3:24:50] Speaker 1: be the one who causes Michael four to be true.
[3:24:53] Speaker 1: That's why it says the Lord uh and the Lord
[3:24:56] Speaker 1: shall stand and see and feed his flocks with power.
[3:25:00] Speaker 1: They shall dwell in the glory of the name of
[3:25:01] Speaker 1: the Lord their God. Or now they shall be magnified
[3:25:04] Speaker 1: to the ends of the earth, and she shall have
[3:25:08] Speaker 1: peace when assure that's the Assyrians shall come into your land,
[3:25:12] Speaker 1: so on and so forth. Yeah, the Hebrew text just
[3:25:15] Speaker 1: spells it out clearly says that he will be the
[3:25:18] Speaker 1: one of peace. But this certainly wasn't fulfilled in Jesus.
[3:25:21] Speaker 1: As he will appoint them to wait till the time
[3:25:25] Speaker 1: of their travails, she shall bring forth. Then the remnant
[3:25:29] Speaker 1: of the brethren shall return to the children of Israel,
[3:25:32] Speaker 1: which never happened. This is just like all the other
[3:25:35] Speaker 1: prophecies about the Messiah, that the Israelites are going to
[3:25:38] Speaker 1: return from where they've been scattered. They're never going to
[3:25:41] Speaker 1: be divided ever again. They're going to live in peace
[3:25:44] Speaker 1: and security. Didn't happen, Never going to happen.
[3:25:49] Speaker 25: Okay, all right, So I found Isaiah eleven eleven. I
[3:25:55] Speaker 25: think it matches pretty good, all.
[3:25:58] Speaker 16: Right, So I'll read it.
[3:26:00] Speaker 25: I'll come forth a rod from the root of Jesse,
[3:26:02] Speaker 25: and a flower shall grow out of this root. The
[3:26:05] Speaker 25: spirit of God shall rest upon him, the spirit of
[3:26:08] Speaker 25: wisdom and understanding. The spirit of counsel and might, the
[3:26:11] Speaker 25: spirit of knowledge and godliness, the spirit of fear of
[3:26:14] Speaker 25: God shall fill him. He shall not judge by reputation,
[3:26:18] Speaker 25: nor convict by common talk. But he will judge the
[3:26:20] Speaker 25: cause of the humble, and prove the humble of the earth.
[3:26:23] Speaker 25: He shall strike the earth with the word of his mouth,
[3:26:26] Speaker 25: and with the breath of his lips. He shall slay
[3:26:28] Speaker 25: the ungodly. He shall gird wait hold on. Okay, No,
[3:26:33] Speaker 25: it's this part. It shall come to pass in that
[3:26:36] Speaker 25: day that there shall be a root of Jesse, who
[3:26:40] Speaker 25: shall arise to rule the nations. The gentiles shall hope
[3:26:44] Speaker 25: in him and his resting place. Did you skip over
[3:26:47] Speaker 25: the important part, honorable, No, No, that's the important part.
[3:26:53] Speaker 25: I was trying to say.
[3:26:53] Speaker 3: No.
[3:26:54] Speaker 1: Read verse six.
[3:26:57] Speaker 25: Yeah, yeah, I know that part I'm trying to read.
[3:27:00] Speaker 1: Don't skip over the part that you don't like. Yeah,
[3:27:02] Speaker 1: the wolf will feed the lamb, and the leopard will
[3:27:04] Speaker 1: lie down with the kid, and the young calf, and
[3:27:06] Speaker 1: the bull and lion will feed together, and little children
[3:27:09] Speaker 1: shall lead them to anything happen.
[3:27:13] Speaker 25: No, it didn't. That's why I'm ridding verse ten, because
[3:27:15] Speaker 25: it says in that day, in that day when he
[3:27:18] Speaker 25: first comes.
[3:27:18] Speaker 1: He's no, it didn't say that day when he first comes.
[3:27:24] Speaker 25: I think you're misunderstanding me. I'm giving you the atheist,
[3:27:27] Speaker 25: uh perspective. I'm not trying to give you a Christian
[3:27:30] Speaker 25: perspective right now.
[3:27:32] Speaker 1: And then I guess you'll lost me what part of
[3:27:34] Speaker 1: this actually got fulfilled?
[3:27:37] Speaker 25: No, I'm not saying you got fulfilled. I'm trying to
[3:27:39] Speaker 25: find you a verse that has to that's I'm trying
[3:27:42] Speaker 25: to find you a verse that's similar to Jeremiah thirty
[3:27:45] Speaker 25: three fourteen. I'm saying it shall come to pass in
[3:27:47] Speaker 25: that day. There's that he shall be a root of Jesse,
[3:27:50] Speaker 25: who shall arise to rule the nations. And he never
[3:27:54] Speaker 25: did that.
[3:27:55] Speaker 1: I know there's a bunch of them, right Ezekiel thirty seven.
[3:27:57] Speaker 25: Yeah, I'm not trying to.
[3:27:59] Speaker 1: I'm not trying to.
[3:28:00] Speaker 25: I'm not trying to skip verses.
[3:28:01] Speaker 18: I'm not.
[3:28:01] Speaker 25: I don't know why you're accusing me of that.
[3:28:02] Speaker 1: I mean, I'm lost of what you're actually trying to
[3:28:05] Speaker 1: do right now.
[3:28:08] Speaker 25: Yeah, I was trying to show you, like I was
[3:28:10] Speaker 25: asking you the first time if you had any comparable verses,
[3:28:13] Speaker 25: and I said, hey, I found one in Isaiah eleven.
[3:28:15] Speaker 1: Yeah, I mentioned that earlier. I was trying to read
[3:28:18] Speaker 1: it that Michael Chapo Isaiah chapter two, Isiah chapter eleven,
[3:28:23] Speaker 1: is Zico chapter thirty seven, Xico chapter thirty six as well,
[3:28:26] Speaker 1: Isaiah chapter sixty one too, zach Arry chapter eight.
[3:28:31] Speaker 25: So you said you said there were Okay, all right,
[3:28:34] Speaker 25: Well I'm gonna go back to this video after we
[3:28:36] Speaker 25: get done talking, and I'm gonna look through all those
[3:28:38] Speaker 25: two because, uh, you know, it's just it is sus
[3:28:42] Speaker 25: to me that all these things are in the Bible
[3:28:44] Speaker 25: and that he didn't fulfill them, right, this is about well, yeah,
[3:28:47] Speaker 25: that's all I gotta say about that.
[3:28:49] Speaker 1: Read Ezekiel thirty seven tonight sometime, okay.
[3:28:53] Speaker 25: Thirty seven. Isn't that about the temple?
[3:28:56] Speaker 1: Oh no, not yet. That doesn't start until chapter forty. Okay,
[3:29:02] Speaker 1: all right, all right, it was good to hear from you,
[3:29:05] Speaker 1: average Joe.
[3:29:07] Speaker 25: Okay, thank you, all right, cheers.
[3:29:12] Speaker 1: Well, I'll give him credit. He wasn't average. He turned
[3:29:14] Speaker 1: out to not be an average show after all, So
[3:29:16] Speaker 1: big w for not being average. He sounds like he's deconstructing.
[3:29:19] Speaker 1: But I don't know why people force themselves into using
[3:29:22] Speaker 1: the Greek subtuagen. It's like the King James onliest. Why
[3:29:26] Speaker 1: would you force yourself into using a bad translation? Crazy
[3:29:29] Speaker 1: to me. All right, guys, let me grab a couple
[3:29:32] Speaker 1: of super chats and we'll get our next guest in here.
[3:29:34] Speaker 1: We've got a couple of people that are waiting to
[3:29:36] Speaker 1: get in. Thank you so much, Doctor PiZZ again for
[3:29:41] Speaker 1: the ten our supertest, says abusive men will eventually conclude
[3:29:44] Speaker 1: there is a most abusive man. It's funny that the
[3:29:46] Speaker 1: book written by Oh we already. I'm sorry, I didn't.
[3:29:49] Speaker 1: I didn't realize we ever read that. Franky.
[3:29:52] Speaker 28: There we go.
[3:29:52] Speaker 1: Thank you so much for the ten hour superjet says
[3:29:54] Speaker 1: cooking again. Saw the Bible study you and Sarah did,
[3:29:56] Speaker 1: I'm hooked more and more. Question are you familiar with
[3:29:59] Speaker 1: YouTube channel useful charts, especially the Biblical timeline? If so,
[3:30:02] Speaker 1: how accurate are they? I'm actually fail very familiar with
[3:30:05] Speaker 1: youthful charts. He's really good at what he does, and
[3:30:08] Speaker 1: I would trust those charts, and even he will preface
[3:30:12] Speaker 1: on some of his charts that there's like some gray
[3:30:14] Speaker 1: area when there is gray area. So yeah, if you
[3:30:18] Speaker 1: get a chart from useful charts, I would generally trust it.
[3:30:22] Speaker 1: He does really good research. That doesn't mean that he's flaws.
[3:30:25] Speaker 1: You know, without flaws, everybody can make a mistake. I'm
[3:30:28] Speaker 1: sure he's mad. He's making a mistake somewhere. I'm making
[3:30:31] Speaker 1: a mistake somewhere. We're all making mistakes. But overall he
[3:30:34] Speaker 1: does really good work. I mean, if he's made a
[3:30:36] Speaker 1: mistake somewhere, I haven't caught it, but I haven't been
[3:30:38] Speaker 1: looking either. But yeah, I trust him. Thank you so
[3:30:41] Speaker 1: much for that, and Perilous, thank you so much for
[3:30:43] Speaker 1: the fight hourars Preachet says, please improve my scholarship. Can
[3:30:46] Speaker 1: you enumerate any lies that Satan told? I could not
[3:30:50] Speaker 1: find any except maybe a misquote. There's there's really not
[3:30:53] Speaker 1: much to work with there. I mean, Jesus said in
[3:30:57] Speaker 1: John eight forty four that Satan was a liar and
[3:30:59] Speaker 1: a murder from the beginning. And you know, John the
[3:31:03] Speaker 1: Elder and first John said that there's no truth in him.
[3:31:06] Speaker 1: If I remember correctly, I could be misquoting him, but
[3:31:10] Speaker 1: it said in First John three to eight, I believe.
[3:31:13] Speaker 1: Let me let me grab the quote from First John
[3:31:15] Speaker 1: three eight, so I don't miss quote. Whoever wrote First
[3:31:17] Speaker 1: John three eight certainly wasn't John the Apostle though, Yeah. First,
[3:31:23] Speaker 1: John three eight says everyone who commits sins is a
[3:31:25] Speaker 1: child of the devil, for the devil has been sinning
[3:31:27] Speaker 1: from the beginning. The Son of God was revealed for
[3:31:29] Speaker 1: this purpose to destroy the works of the devil's devil.
[3:31:32] Speaker 1: Those who have been born of God do not sin. Okay,
[3:31:35] Speaker 1: So he says he was sinning from the beginning. So
[3:31:37] Speaker 1: I was thinking of John eight forty four where he
[3:31:41] Speaker 1: said that there's no truth in him. Yeah, yeah, John
[3:31:45] Speaker 1: a forty four he was a murderer from the beginning
[3:31:47] Speaker 1: and does not stand in truth because there's no truth
[3:31:49] Speaker 1: in him. Cool, But yeah, I don't I can't really
[3:31:53] Speaker 1: find any like outright positions where Jesus lies or got
[3:31:57] Speaker 1: Satan lies, except for maybe when he's tempting Jesus in
[3:32:00] Speaker 1: the desert, because I don't really see how Satan can
[3:32:04] Speaker 1: give Jesus all the kingdoms of the world. Like, I
[3:32:06] Speaker 1: don't think that Satan can can give the promises that
[3:32:10] Speaker 1: he's offering Jesus in that section, which is really weird
[3:32:14] Speaker 1: that God could even be tempted by Satan. It doesn't
[3:32:17] Speaker 1: make any sense, Doctor Pizza, Oh we got that one,
[3:32:21] Speaker 1: Got that one, got that one. There we go. Sorry, guys,
[3:32:24] Speaker 1: I got so many super chats I'm getting lost at them.
[3:32:26] Speaker 1: I really appreciate it. Also support guys and the questions.
[3:32:30] Speaker 1: Thank you for the six sixty six konami oh konami
[3:32:34] Speaker 1: like the Coonambi cheak code. If I had a fish
[3:32:36] Speaker 1: tank with filters and all the temperatures and all the stuff,
[3:32:39] Speaker 1: I'd put a kracking in there. In the name of
[3:32:41] Speaker 1: Doug big w Kracken. I'm actually out of kracking tonight,
[3:32:44] Speaker 1: but I think I'm I got a little bit of tequila.
[3:32:47] Speaker 1: I might crack open here in a minute. Jen, thank
[3:32:49] Speaker 1: you for the fight out, super Chest says, teaching a
[3:32:52] Speaker 1: lab course next week about identifying rock, so I make
[3:32:55] Speaker 1: sure I send a little parad to dog Well. Thank
[3:32:57] Speaker 1: you so much.
[3:32:58] Speaker 4: Jen.
[3:32:58] Speaker 1: Definitely include ug in your daily routine. He appreciates it.
[3:33:02] Speaker 1: And don't forget Sharon Stone and welcome to the crack
[3:33:04] Speaker 1: and Crew, meliotis. I appreciate that. And Adam, good to
[3:33:08] Speaker 1: see you again tonight, he says, I'll pray for you.
[3:33:10] Speaker 1: Call her getting the last word.
[3:33:12] Speaker 2: That's what it is.
[3:33:12] Speaker 1: Yes, when they say well I'll pray for you, that's
[3:33:15] Speaker 1: their feeblest attempt to say that I'm going to get
[3:33:19] Speaker 1: the last word in the conversation even though I got
[3:33:21] Speaker 1: cooked and blue. Good to see you tonight. Thank you
[3:33:24] Speaker 1: for the super chant, He says too, didn't lay anyone
[3:33:26] Speaker 1: mentioned ISA fifty three yet? No, but you know it's coming.
[3:33:29] Speaker 1: It is one hundred percent coming. And Pharaoh, Pharaoh, thank
[3:33:32] Speaker 1: you for the six ninety nine, says in response to Hell,
[3:33:35] Speaker 1: Why isn't the threat of missing out on heaven and
[3:33:38] Speaker 1: eternal life enough to convince people? Is being with Jesus
[3:33:41] Speaker 1: just a really bad selling point? I don't know if
[3:33:44] Speaker 1: I follow your question entirely, but I don't think that
[3:33:50] Speaker 1: missing Oh, I see what you're saying. Why is the
[3:33:51] Speaker 1: threat of missing? Yeah, if if just missing out on
[3:33:55] Speaker 1: heaven was such a loss, you wouldn't need Hell, That's
[3:33:58] Speaker 1: what you're saying. And now I'm big up what you're
[3:34:00] Speaker 1: putting down. That's actually a really good point, because if
[3:34:03] Speaker 1: missing out on Hell was so terrible, you wouldn't need
[3:34:06] Speaker 1: to threaten anybody with Hell. Hell wouldn't need to exist
[3:34:09] Speaker 1: at all. It'd be like, for example, if I was
[3:34:12] Speaker 1: giving out invites to everybody in my class and to
[3:34:16] Speaker 1: this awesome party is going to be the most amazing
[3:34:18] Speaker 1: party ever. And I just didn't invite somebody. Well, not
[3:34:22] Speaker 1: getting to go to that party is a punishment in itself, theoretically,
[3:34:26] Speaker 1: like I don't need to add on top of it. Also,
[3:34:28] Speaker 1: you're not invited, but I'm gonna like, you know, Bernie
[3:34:31] Speaker 1: with fire, that's a that's a shit, Phara, that's a
[3:34:34] Speaker 1: really good point. I'm glad you mentioned that. Jay Carling,
[3:34:38] Speaker 1: good to see it today. It says from the Life
[3:34:39] Speaker 1: of Brian, there's no Messiah in here. There's a mess
[3:34:42] Speaker 1: all right, but no Messiah. Yeah, that's about right. And Billy,
[3:34:47] Speaker 1: thank you for the bide Dog supertest, says Christians always
[3:34:50] Speaker 1: say it's a choice. It's an it's an ultimatum. I agree,
[3:34:52] Speaker 1: it's not a choice. It's an ultimatum. If I have
[3:34:55] Speaker 1: a gun and take your money, did you choose to
[3:34:57] Speaker 1: give it to me? No, you didn't. Heaven and Hell
[3:35:00] Speaker 1: are not choices, guys, It's just not. And Taco Joe,
[3:35:03] Speaker 1: thank you for the super chest, says Justin Can you
[3:35:06] Speaker 1: try to get Dave eighty four king up? He is
[3:35:09] Speaker 1: an apologist YouTube channel. He's going to school you on
[3:35:13] Speaker 1: the Bible what. I doubt that, but I appreciate the
[3:35:15] Speaker 1: super chat. And I don't see him in my Oh
[3:35:18] Speaker 1: he is in my queue, so I guess we'll get
[3:35:19] Speaker 1: to him tonight. And Susie, thank you so much for
[3:35:22] Speaker 1: the ten dour super chat. He says, I believe in
[3:35:24] Speaker 1: rock for gods, Jimmy Robert, JPJ and John Bonham, the
[3:35:28] Speaker 1: led Zemplin Pantheon, big w for hot rock. If you
[3:35:32] Speaker 1: ever wanted to know what music Doug wants you to
[3:35:34] Speaker 1: listen to, it's gonna be hard rock guys, and j
[3:35:37] Speaker 1: Mule last super chat, thank you so much for the
[3:35:39] Speaker 1: ten hours, He says. This should cover you for a
[3:35:41] Speaker 1: gallon of gas, half a dozen of eggs, Hell's kitchen
[3:35:45] Speaker 1: up in this bitch. Yeah, well not anymore now. It
[3:35:48] Speaker 1: can only cover like a half a dozen of eggs
[3:35:51] Speaker 1: and no gas where I live. But thank you so much,
[3:35:53] Speaker 1: Damuel for the super chat. And let me grab our
[3:35:55] Speaker 1: next guest. And we've got a couple people that have
[3:35:59] Speaker 1: been and waiting to get in, so I appreciate you
[3:36:02] Speaker 1: guys waiting, But you know, when when you have people waiting,
[3:36:05] Speaker 1: what he can do? You gotta wait in line. We're
[3:36:07] Speaker 1: gonna get other bro Daryl from the TikTok queue here,
[3:36:12] Speaker 1: Let's see what happens. They've been waiting for a little while,
[3:36:17] Speaker 1: so I don't know if they're actually still with us.
[3:36:19] Speaker 20: We have to wait and see.
[3:36:27] Speaker 1: No, not so much. All right, Well, come on back
[3:36:32] Speaker 1: if you if you're still hanging around, and we'll you know,
[3:36:35] Speaker 1: we'll keep the thing on, We'll keep the thing moving.
[3:36:40] Speaker 1: Get back next, see if Matt can connect. Welcome in, Matt, Matt, Matt,
[3:36:51] Speaker 1: do you know that you're on the stage right now?
[3:36:53] Speaker 1: Do you mean the request?
[3:37:00] Speaker 3: Matt?
[3:37:14] Speaker 1: I think Matt pellis sleep on his guys?
[3:37:17] Speaker 2: All right?
[3:37:18] Speaker 1: Well, yeah he is, he's he's asleep. I agree, he's asleep.
[3:37:21] Speaker 1: All right, we'll grab the next one here.
[3:37:26] Speaker 26: Look me and Robbie, Hey, what's going on?
[3:37:29] Speaker 1: And not too much? How you doing?
[3:37:31] Speaker 26: I'm all right?
[3:37:33] Speaker 1: Good to hear. Rob Are you at least eighteen? And
[3:37:35] Speaker 1: are you a believer?
[3:37:37] Speaker 26: I'm twenty six and I'm more of an agnostic. But
[3:37:41] Speaker 26: I always say that agnostics play the part of atheists
[3:37:43] Speaker 26: too well, because I think that if you truly don't know,
[3:37:46] Speaker 26: then that means you should play both.
[3:37:48] Speaker 1: Parts, right, you know, I don't I don't disagree actually.
[3:37:55] Speaker 13: Gotcha.
[3:37:56] Speaker 26: Okay, Well, like I said, there's a few things that
[3:38:00] Speaker 26: I guess just don't make sense to me. Sorry, go ahead.
[3:38:03] Speaker 1: Do you believe in hell?
[3:38:05] Speaker 14: Uh?
[3:38:05] Speaker 26: Yeah, I mean if it's in the Bible, obviously, I
[3:38:07] Speaker 26: believe that Hell exists.
[3:38:10] Speaker 1: So you're not agnostic. You believe in the Bible.
[3:38:13] Speaker 26: Well, okay, So, like I said, it's kind of like
[3:38:16] Speaker 26: a hero and there. So I believe that if the
[3:38:18] Speaker 26: Bible is true, then Hell exists. The Bible is obviously
[3:38:20] Speaker 26: not true in Hell doesn't exist. But like I said,
[3:38:22] Speaker 26: I could, I could play both sides. So if you're
[3:38:25] Speaker 26: the atheist in this scenario, then you know I'll be
[3:38:27] Speaker 26: the Christian.
[3:38:28] Speaker 1: So well, what else I'd like to do is debate
[3:38:32] Speaker 1: somebody who like believes it. Do you actually believe it?
[3:38:35] Speaker 26: Well, so I used to be a Christian, but I'm
[3:38:37] Speaker 26: kind of going through like what you I guess what
[3:38:39] Speaker 26: you call deconstruction. So I'm kind of going through a
[3:38:41] Speaker 26: phase where I'm moving away from it. But traditionally speaking,
[3:38:46] Speaker 26: historically speaking, yeah, I'm a Christian. I was, I was
[3:38:48] Speaker 26: born Christian by my whole family is very adamantly Christian.
[3:38:52] Speaker 1: So okay, so sounds like you're deconstructing what's keeping in.
[3:39:00] Speaker 26: In my opinion, there's just a few things that that
[3:39:04] Speaker 26: are kind of hard to reconcile with. I think that
[3:39:07] Speaker 26: consciousness is one of them. Morality maybe another one.
[3:39:12] Speaker 1: It's just it's But what's I gotta do with Christianity?
[3:39:16] Speaker 26: Well, I think there's when it comes to Christianity, the historicity,
[3:39:20] Speaker 26: historicity of it is is better than most other religions,
[3:39:23] Speaker 26: I would say, But I believe that there there potentially
[3:39:27] Speaker 26: could be a hell.
[3:39:29] Speaker 1: I mean, but I kind of according to the Quran,
[3:39:32] Speaker 1: it's been uncorrupted since like just after Muhammad's death.
[3:39:36] Speaker 26: Well, I disagree with Islamic morality, but uh.
[3:39:40] Speaker 1: Okay, I would disagree with the morality of the God
[3:39:43] Speaker 1: of the Bible though.
[3:39:45] Speaker 26: Sure that's fine. Can I can I reference something you
[3:39:48] Speaker 26: said earlier about Hell specifically, So Hell in the Bible
[3:39:54] Speaker 26: was prepared for the devil, so it wasn't made specifically
[3:39:58] Speaker 26: for humans. And it also doesn't necessarily say that there's
[3:40:02] Speaker 26: any humans inside Hell right now, it's mostly spoken in
[3:40:05] Speaker 26: revelation that that's where people will go.
[3:40:10] Speaker 1: Are people going to the hell fire?
[3:40:14] Speaker 26: Well, there's like I said, there's none. I can't say
[3:40:16] Speaker 26: for sure. But there's none in there right now. The
[3:40:18] Speaker 26: Bible doesn't ever particularly say that there's anybody living or
[3:40:22] Speaker 26: existing inside.
[3:40:23] Speaker 1: Of Hell, but it does say that they're going to
[3:40:27] Speaker 1: be going there.
[3:40:28] Speaker 26: Well, in Revelations it said.
[3:40:29] Speaker 1: That they could go there, and Matthew therefore too, and.
[3:40:34] Speaker 26: Matthew twenty four, what does it exactly say.
[3:40:37] Speaker 1: I'll read it for you. We'll start in verse thirty six.
[3:40:42] Speaker 1: I'll put it on the screen.
[3:40:43] Speaker 26: Okay, this is.
[3:40:48] Speaker 1: About that day and the hour. No one knows neither
[3:40:51] Speaker 1: of the angels in heaven. Uh, sorry than me. I
[3:40:53] Speaker 1: wanted Matthew twenty five. I don't know why I punched
[3:40:55] Speaker 1: in Matthew twenty four.
[3:40:58] Speaker 26: I mean, that's that's I made my point, right. No
[3:41:01] Speaker 26: one truly knows, so, no I know so.
[3:41:05] Speaker 1: In Matthew twenty four, I talked about the judgment. He says,
[3:41:08] Speaker 1: when the Sunnyman comes in his glory and all the
[3:41:09] Speaker 1: angels with him, he will sit on the throne of Glory,
[3:41:12] Speaker 1: and all the nations will be gathered before him. He
[3:41:14] Speaker 1: will separate one from another, as a shepherd separates the
[3:41:16] Speaker 1: goat sheep from the goats. He will put the sheep
[3:41:19] Speaker 1: on his right, and the goats on his left, and
[3:41:20] Speaker 1: the King will say to his right, come you that
[3:41:23] Speaker 1: are blessed by my father inherit the kingdom prepared for
[3:41:26] Speaker 1: you from the foundation.
[3:41:27] Speaker 4: Of the world.
[3:41:27] Speaker 1: If I was hungry and he gave me food, I
[3:41:29] Speaker 1: was thirsty, he gave me something to drink. I was
[3:41:31] Speaker 1: a stranger and you woke with me. I was naked
[3:41:33] Speaker 1: and he gave me clothing. I was sick and you
[3:41:36] Speaker 1: took care of me. And I was in prison and
[3:41:37] Speaker 1: you visited me. Then the righteous will answer him. You
[3:41:40] Speaker 1: already know that. And then he will say to those
[3:41:43] Speaker 1: on his left hand in verse forty one, you that
[3:41:46] Speaker 1: are a cursed depart from me into the eternal fire
[3:41:49] Speaker 1: prepared for the devil and his angels. So this thing
[3:41:52] Speaker 1: that was prepared for the devil and his angels is
[3:41:54] Speaker 1: where he's going to send people when he comes back.
[3:41:57] Speaker 26: So that that is super important. For that is a
[3:42:01] Speaker 26: super important verse. And that's kind of why I have
[3:42:04] Speaker 26: it a little bit of a different theory. Maybe that's
[3:42:06] Speaker 26: why I consider myself a little bit removed from traditional Christianity.
[3:42:10] Speaker 26: I do believe that if there is a God, that
[3:42:13] Speaker 26: you do get one last option to sit before him
[3:42:18] Speaker 26: and essentially accept that obviously he exists and he is
[3:42:20] Speaker 26: your God. If you don't, if you rebel against him
[3:42:24] Speaker 26: in that moment, then you go to hell. And I
[3:42:26] Speaker 26: think that that is a better way to go about it,
[3:42:30] Speaker 26: because if you sat before God and you looked up
[3:42:33] Speaker 26: at him and saw that he was real and he existed,
[3:42:34] Speaker 26: would you accept him right then and there? Or would
[3:42:37] Speaker 26: you remove yourself from him?
[3:42:39] Speaker 1: I don't think anybody would. But what's the point of
[3:42:41] Speaker 1: proselytizing here on the earth if you're just going to
[3:42:44] Speaker 1: get a better opportunity after you die?
[3:42:48] Speaker 26: Well, I honestly I have no idea. That's kind of
[3:42:51] Speaker 26: the things that I struggle with. But like I said,
[3:42:56] Speaker 26: I think that's that's my opinion. I think that regardless
[3:43:00] Speaker 26: of what you do here on earth, I think that
[3:43:01] Speaker 26: everybody gets one last option because you can kind of,
[3:43:05] Speaker 26: I guess, navigate through the world here and you do
[3:43:08] Speaker 26: get that option at the end of it to rebel
[3:43:12] Speaker 26: against God accept Huh.
[3:43:14] Speaker 1: That in the Bible, though?
[3:43:17] Speaker 26: Is what in the Bible?
[3:43:18] Speaker 1: This idea that you get an option after you die
[3:43:21] Speaker 1: to make the decision?
[3:43:23] Speaker 26: Well, I mean, like you said, right there, right, they
[3:43:26] Speaker 26: kind of go up there and he decides, you know, you,
[3:43:30] Speaker 26: you that are with me, stay here in heaven. You
[3:43:33] Speaker 26: that are against me, you that rebel from me, get
[3:43:35] Speaker 26: cast in lake a fire. Well, in Revelations, that's pretty
[3:43:43] Speaker 26: much what it says. Can you go read it again?
[3:43:45] Speaker 1: Yeah, we Revelation twenty one is probably what you're referring to.
[3:43:48] Speaker 1: Revelation twenty one. It's just anyone who's not a believer.
[3:43:51] Speaker 1: If you had a Revelation twenty one to seven, eight
[3:43:55] Speaker 1: or seven, let me see, must be past eight. So
[3:44:02] Speaker 1: as for the cowardly, the faithless that polluted, the murderers,
[3:44:05] Speaker 1: the fornicators, the sorcerers, the idolators, and all liars, their
[3:44:08] Speaker 1: place will be in the lake that burns with fire
[3:44:11] Speaker 1: and sulfur, which is a second death. So the the
[3:44:15] Speaker 1: some translations will say the unbelievers, but basically the same thing.
[3:44:19] Speaker 1: I'm an unbeliever, I'm without faith.
[3:44:22] Speaker 26: Right, and again I believe that you get that last
[3:44:24] Speaker 26: option once you are in front of him, to accept
[3:44:29] Speaker 26: him or repent from him.
[3:44:30] Speaker 11: Right.
[3:44:30] Speaker 1: But that's again I think that in the book.
[3:44:31] Speaker 3: Though.
[3:44:32] Speaker 26: Sure that's probably a little bit different from traditional Christianity,
[3:44:36] Speaker 26: but that's I mean, that's kind of how I see it.
[3:44:39] Speaker 1: Why would he send anyone to Hell even if the
[3:44:41] Speaker 1: are standing right in front of him.
[3:44:44] Speaker 26: Well, like I said, nobody is in Hell, so it
[3:44:47] Speaker 26: exists traditionally speaking, But.
[3:44:49] Speaker 1: They send people there?
[3:44:50] Speaker 26: He said, Well, if they if they rebel against him,
[3:44:54] Speaker 26: or if they don't accept him.
[3:44:56] Speaker 1: But why do they need to be tortured by fire
[3:44:58] Speaker 1: just for not accepting them?
[3:45:00] Speaker 26: Well, I think that obviously, if you stand in front
[3:45:03] Speaker 26: of him and you get that option, I think if
[3:45:06] Speaker 26: you turn awave him from him then knowing the consequences,
[3:45:10] Speaker 26: I mean, that's kind of where he I mean, that was,
[3:45:12] Speaker 26: like I said, that was the design for fallen angels
[3:45:15] Speaker 26: such as Lucifer, I guess, and his respect of angels.
[3:45:20] Speaker 1: So why did he have to create Hell as the alternative.
[3:45:24] Speaker 26: For Satan?
[3:45:26] Speaker 1: But why are humans going there? Why is that a
[3:45:29] Speaker 1: decision God is making that if you don't want to
[3:45:31] Speaker 1: party with me, you have to burn.
[3:45:35] Speaker 26: Well, I mean, like I said, because he created everything,
[3:45:38] Speaker 26: so you get that last option. You accept that if
[3:45:41] Speaker 26: you get turned away, if you know, if you choose
[3:45:44] Speaker 26: to rebel or not accept that, I mean, if you're
[3:45:47] Speaker 26: given the option infinite paradise or infinite hella, one last
[3:45:52] Speaker 26: time you get that yes or no. You get the
[3:45:54] Speaker 26: two doors to walk through, and you choose the hell.
[3:45:57] Speaker 26: I mean, that's kind of also a strange argument. I
[3:46:00] Speaker 26: guess to choose the hell.
[3:46:01] Speaker 1: It's actually not to strange. It's coercion. God is saying, listen,
[3:46:05] Speaker 1: you have to do what I want you to or
[3:46:07] Speaker 1: I'll burn you. Isn't that such a weird coercive decision?
[3:46:14] Speaker 1: Is that love? Can you say you love somebody who
[3:46:16] Speaker 1: say you either you're gonna spend your time with me
[3:46:19] Speaker 1: or you're gonna burn.
[3:46:23] Speaker 26: Well, I mean I personally, I don't think that that's
[3:46:27] Speaker 26: like spend your time with me.
[3:46:30] Speaker 13: I don't.
[3:46:30] Speaker 26: I think that's a little bit different here on earth.
[3:46:32] Speaker 26: If that's what you're referring to, I.
[3:46:34] Speaker 1: Don't care what you call it. God said you will
[3:46:36] Speaker 1: choose me or you will burn. That's not a real option.
[3:46:39] Speaker 1: That's not love.
[3:46:41] Speaker 26: Sure, Okay, I mean I guess if he created the
[3:46:44] Speaker 26: whole universe and how it operates, then that's the parameter.
[3:46:46] Speaker 1: Sure, right, But you would not accept that parameter for
[3:46:50] Speaker 1: anybody else, not a single human being. If we set
[3:46:53] Speaker 1: up those parameters you would accept if I decided I
[3:46:57] Speaker 1: was going to ask a girl to the you know,
[3:46:59] Speaker 1: to go out with me, I said, you don't go
[3:47:01] Speaker 1: out with me. I'm gonna let you on fire. That's
[3:47:05] Speaker 1: not a decision. She hasn't been given a decision, She's
[3:47:08] Speaker 1: been given a command. She had a gun to her head.
[3:47:12] Speaker 26: I mean, it sounds like the answer would be yes
[3:47:14] Speaker 26: either way.
[3:47:16] Speaker 1: It sounds like you'd be a barbaric maniac if somebody
[3:47:19] Speaker 1: did that. So it's terrible when human beings do it,
[3:47:22] Speaker 1: but it's good when God does it.
[3:47:26] Speaker 26: Well, the difference is that woman didn't create everything that
[3:47:29] Speaker 26: ever existed, I think. So that's kind of a different
[3:47:32] Speaker 26: scenario there, right.
[3:47:34] Speaker 1: Well, neither did I. I didn't create everything that existed.
[3:47:36] Speaker 1: To be fair, the woman in the analogy are you
[3:47:39] Speaker 1: and me?
[3:47:40] Speaker 4: Right?
[3:47:40] Speaker 1: Okay, So in the analogy, God is the one asking
[3:47:44] Speaker 1: somebody on a date saying you will either go out
[3:47:47] Speaker 1: with me or I will let you on fire. That's
[3:47:49] Speaker 1: not a real decision.
[3:47:53] Speaker 26: But again, the difference is if you were holding a
[3:47:55] Speaker 26: gun to a female's head, you didn't give her anything before.
[3:47:59] Speaker 1: All of that doesn't matter. The gun to the head
[3:48:03] Speaker 1: is the hell fire. That's how analogies work.
[3:48:06] Speaker 26: Right, I mean, But again, I mean I think it's
[3:48:08] Speaker 26: a little bit different, right, Well, the difference is one
[3:48:13] Speaker 26: didn't create the entire universe, didn't create heaven and Hell,
[3:48:16] Speaker 26: didn't I mean didn't matter. What does that matter because
[3:48:21] Speaker 26: I guess, I mean that's how realms would operate in
[3:48:24] Speaker 26: the in this situation here, So.
[3:48:25] Speaker 1: You're actually just making words. You're saying that God has
[3:48:28] Speaker 1: every option ever at his disposal, and in his the
[3:48:32] Speaker 1: thing that he chose was coercion.
[3:48:37] Speaker 26: Well, he has every option ever to I mean, not
[3:48:40] Speaker 26: create humans at all. So I mean, I guess if
[3:48:45] Speaker 26: you're saying that the better option was to just not
[3:48:47] Speaker 26: create humans at all, I didn't.
[3:48:50] Speaker 1: Say that at all. Had nothing to do with what
[3:48:51] Speaker 1: I'm saying. I'm saying that there's no reason why the
[3:48:54] Speaker 1: alternative to chilling with God has to be getting torched.
[3:49:00] Speaker 26: I just in my opinion, like I said, there's no
[3:49:02] Speaker 26: one there, and it's kind of like a rejection that.
[3:49:06] Speaker 1: People will go there. Right going back to these same
[3:49:10] Speaker 1: talking points that we already covered isn't helpful. The Bible
[3:49:13] Speaker 1: says people are going to go there. Whether there's somebody
[3:49:16] Speaker 1: there right now is irrelevant. So why is it that
[3:49:19] Speaker 1: God said the only alternative to being with me is
[3:49:22] Speaker 1: to be lit on fire.
[3:49:25] Speaker 26: Well, I mean it did speak about things like murderers
[3:49:28] Speaker 26: and this and that. I mean, do you think that somebody,
[3:49:30] Speaker 26: for example, I mean, I don't even think Hitler is
[3:49:33] Speaker 26: sitting in hell or you know, it depends how spiritually
[3:49:38] Speaker 26: I guess they go about it. But do you think
[3:49:40] Speaker 26: a person like Hitler belongs in hell?
[3:49:43] Speaker 1: For example, he believed in Jesus. Well, actually he in
[3:49:47] Speaker 1: his early days believed in Jesus. Eventually I think he
[3:49:49] Speaker 1: became more of a deist. But I think it's irrelevant
[3:49:53] Speaker 1: because according to Christianity, you're not in hell because you
[3:49:56] Speaker 1: did good or bad things. You're in hell because you
[3:49:59] Speaker 1: either did or didn't accept Jesus.
[3:50:01] Speaker 26: Well, I mean, like you just read in the Revelations, right,
[3:50:04] Speaker 26: it speaks about murderers and this and that. It's kind
[3:50:07] Speaker 26: of both, right, because if you do all of those
[3:50:09] Speaker 26: things in the absence of God, you would be, in
[3:50:13] Speaker 26: any instance, a sinner away from him.
[3:50:16] Speaker 1: Any sin you commit without God commits you to the
[3:50:20] Speaker 1: hell fire. Right right now, Jeffrey Dahmer's in heaven and
[3:50:23] Speaker 1: I'm going to be going to hell.
[3:50:27] Speaker 26: Well, I mean I guess, like I said, I guess
[3:50:29] Speaker 26: if they are confronted with with face value with God,
[3:50:35] Speaker 26: and they choose to either accept him or deny him.
[3:50:38] Speaker 26: In my opinion, that's that's how I believe it works.
[3:50:41] Speaker 1: Right, But why does God need to send you to
[3:50:43] Speaker 1: the fire if you don't want to be with him?
[3:50:46] Speaker 1: Why is that the necessary component?
[3:50:49] Speaker 26: What would what would be the necessary what would be
[3:50:51] Speaker 26: the other option?
[3:50:52] Speaker 1: He could just create another planet and put all the
[3:50:54] Speaker 1: people on it that don't want to be with him
[3:50:56] Speaker 1: over on another fucking planet. Leave them alone. You don't
[3:50:59] Speaker 1: have to torture anybody because they don't want to be
[3:51:01] Speaker 1: with you.
[3:51:03] Speaker 26: That's true. But hell has obviously also been described in
[3:51:06] Speaker 26: many different ways. Some say that it's a burning like
[3:51:09] Speaker 26: a fire obviously, Some think that that's metaphorical. Some believe
[3:51:12] Speaker 26: it's just the absence of God, nothingness, blackness. It could
[3:51:18] Speaker 26: be that, you know, it is just a nothingness, another
[3:51:22] Speaker 26: planet of nothingness.
[3:51:24] Speaker 1: But that's not what the Bible says. The Bible says
[3:51:26] Speaker 1: there's weeping and gnashing of teeth, and it describes it
[3:51:29] Speaker 1: as as being fire, and it says it can actually
[3:51:32] Speaker 1: burn up the soul. Yeah, right, right, that's why I said.
[3:51:41] Speaker 26: Sulfur. But again I don't know. I I think that,
[3:51:48] Speaker 26: you know, if I can personally, if I was confronted
[3:51:52] Speaker 26: with God, because I am a back and forth right,
[3:51:55] Speaker 26: because like I said, I'm an agnostic. I don't know
[3:51:58] Speaker 26: all of the answers. Of course, I don't know all
[3:52:00] Speaker 26: the answers, so I go back and forth, kind of
[3:52:02] Speaker 26: an oscillating period. So if in my opinion, the thing
[3:52:07] Speaker 26: is just about belief for me, So if I'm confronted
[3:52:09] Speaker 26: with God face to face when I die, and he says,
[3:52:11] Speaker 26: I mean, look, I'm real, do you accept the kingdom
[3:52:14] Speaker 26: of Heaven or you would you like to go to Hell?
[3:52:17] Speaker 26: I'm not gonna choose hell, right, I'm gonna choose heaven.
[3:52:19] Speaker 26: And I don't think that anybody confronted with that, with
[3:52:22] Speaker 26: that option would choose hell.
[3:52:24] Speaker 1: But you have answered my question, why would good God
[3:52:29] Speaker 1: make the alternative torture?
[3:52:33] Speaker 26: Well, I think that a just God would kind of
[3:52:39] Speaker 26: cast down on things like really terrible stins. So in
[3:52:46] Speaker 26: order to be just, in order to be good, you
[3:52:48] Speaker 26: kind of have to punish that of which is evil
[3:52:50] Speaker 26: with eternal torture. I mean I guess, yeah, I guess
[3:52:55] Speaker 26: that's punishing of which is evil.
[3:52:57] Speaker 1: Would we accept that here on earth, if somebody can
[3:53:00] Speaker 1: a crime, would it be acceptable to torture them for
[3:53:02] Speaker 1: eternity here on earth? Because I don't think we would
[3:53:05] Speaker 1: accept that.
[3:53:07] Speaker 26: Well, I mean, it's kind of the same way, I
[3:53:08] Speaker 26: guess in a simpler sense, where if someone commits a crime,
[3:53:11] Speaker 26: we place them in an area in the absence of society.
[3:53:15] Speaker 1: Yeah, but why do they need to be lit on
[3:53:16] Speaker 1: fire and tortured? Because, for example, Robbie, if you and
[3:53:19] Speaker 1: I live the same life and the only difference is
[3:53:22] Speaker 1: at the end of our life, you decide that you
[3:53:24] Speaker 1: want to chill with God, and I decide that I
[3:53:26] Speaker 1: think he's kind of a punk, and I don't, Well,
[3:53:28] Speaker 1: I get tortured by fire.
[3:53:31] Speaker 26: Well, I guess, I mean that's the parameters you set
[3:53:33] Speaker 26: when you create the unit.
[3:53:34] Speaker 1: I didn't set those parameters. God set those things because
[3:53:37] Speaker 1: he's not good.
[3:53:42] Speaker 26: Sure, I don't know.
[3:53:43] Speaker 1: Right's Hell and Satan our real problems for this God,
[3:53:47] Speaker 1: and so our natural disasters. Somebody has to account for
[3:53:51] Speaker 1: all of the unnecessary suffering. You cannot have an all
[3:53:54] Speaker 1: good God who also believes that it's okay to cause
[3:53:57] Speaker 1: unnecessary suffering, even if the unnecessary suffering is in the afterlife.
[3:54:04] Speaker 26: Yeah, I mean, that's like I said, that's one of
[3:54:05] Speaker 26: the things I struggle with as well. But so I
[3:54:11] Speaker 26: kind of I kind of agree with that.
[3:54:13] Speaker 13: Right.
[3:54:14] Speaker 1: Well, listen, Robbie, I I had a good time talking
[3:54:16] Speaker 1: to you. Have anything else on this topic.
[3:54:20] Speaker 26: Yeah, I mean I got to do some more studying.
[3:54:22] Speaker 26: I'm like I said, I'm kind of back and forth,
[3:54:23] Speaker 26: and it's not my main topic. But I feel like
[3:54:25] Speaker 26: anybody who's a Christian or religious it should be their
[3:54:28] Speaker 26: main topic, obviously, if it's the most important thing they
[3:54:30] Speaker 26: can ever imagine. So I agree a lot of Persians
[3:54:33] Speaker 26: should do their homework. But for now, I enjoy watching you.
[3:54:36] Speaker 26: So I'm a follow and I'm gonna keep it going.
[3:54:38] Speaker 26: But I appreciate let me come up here.
[3:54:40] Speaker 1: All right, thanks for coming through, Robbie. I had a
[3:54:42] Speaker 1: good time talking to him.
[3:54:43] Speaker 3: Have a go on.
[3:54:43] Speaker 26: Thank you to buddy, so you.
[3:54:46] Speaker 1: Robbie is a good guy. I was a little hard
[3:54:49] Speaker 1: on him, not too hard. It was a little hard
[3:54:50] Speaker 1: on him, but I think he's a good guy.
[3:54:51] Speaker 3: All right.
[3:54:52] Speaker 1: I've got cham Child of Jesus next, and then Perusia
[3:54:56] Speaker 1: seven and that that apologist at the they said was
[3:55:00] Speaker 1: coming through dropped out of the queue during that talk.
[3:55:03] Speaker 13: With that guy.
[3:55:04] Speaker 1: So I don't know what's going on with that, but
[3:55:07] Speaker 1: Wilma dick Liffe, good to see it tonight. I love
[3:55:09] Speaker 1: that name. Thank you for the fide how Superjet says
[3:55:11] Speaker 1: that guest was writing the struggle bus all the way
[3:55:13] Speaker 1: to failed Town praise Doug. Well, he was trying. And
[3:55:16] Speaker 1: I remember being, you know, thinking some of the same
[3:55:20] Speaker 1: stuff when I was a Christian deconstructing, just like, what
[3:55:22] Speaker 1: can I possibly hold on to the make this not
[3:55:25] Speaker 1: so bad? You know what I mean? What words can
[3:55:28] Speaker 1: I adjust to make it not so bad? But eventually
[3:55:31] Speaker 1: got to be honest with yourself, David, thank you for
[3:55:34] Speaker 1: the ten hour Superjet says, I haven't had a say
[3:55:37] Speaker 1: about anything in this life. Why would I care having
[3:55:40] Speaker 1: a say in theoretical afterlife. That's a good point. I mean,
[3:55:45] Speaker 1: so much about this life we don't actually get to choose.
[3:55:48] Speaker 1: We just don't so and according to the Bible, you
[3:55:52] Speaker 1: don't have free will anyways. Everything is done by the
[3:55:55] Speaker 1: sovereignty of God. But thank you for the Superjet. And
[3:55:58] Speaker 1: last one says God's abode, God's the bottom. It says,
[3:56:02] Speaker 1: how come most Christian beliefs are fan fiction. They really are.
[3:56:06] Speaker 1: They really are. A lot of Christians actually believe stuff
[3:56:07] Speaker 1: not in the Bible. Cam is asking how do you
[3:56:11] Speaker 1: do a super chat cam. You have to be on
[3:56:13] Speaker 1: the YouTube stream. You're on the TikTok stream right now.
[3:56:17] Speaker 1: But Amelia, good to see you, old friend and chat.
[3:56:19] Speaker 1: Welcome in, guys, thank you so much for the bracelets
[3:56:23] Speaker 1: and the gold medal and the paper cranes. I really
[3:56:26] Speaker 1: appreciate that. Good to see you, Check. Good to see Amelia.
[3:56:28] Speaker 1: It's been a bit also, Claire, I see you too.
[3:56:31] Speaker 1: Welcome in, Claire. Let me grab our next guest from TikTok.
[3:56:36] Speaker 1: I think we've talked once before, but it's been a while.
[3:56:42] Speaker 1: Welcome in, Jim, Thank you, thank you, thank you for
[3:56:46] Speaker 1: God to be with you. Yeah, good to hear from
[3:56:49] Speaker 1: me again. You've been here before, right, Yeah, yeah, I've
[3:56:52] Speaker 1: been here. Yep, that's what I thought. Okay, So why
[3:56:56] Speaker 1: is God sending me to Helm?
[3:57:00] Speaker 29: Yeah?
[3:57:00] Speaker 22: God sends you to hell because.
[3:57:03] Speaker 30: If you've seen, if you're living sin, and if you
[3:57:06] Speaker 30: don't listen to him, if you don't repent, Yeah, you choose.
[3:57:13] Speaker 22: That's your choice.
[3:57:14] Speaker 1: No, it's not my choice at all. I don't believe
[3:57:15] Speaker 1: that God exists. Why would I repent to something I
[3:57:18] Speaker 1: don't believe exists.
[3:57:22] Speaker 22: If you don't think God don't exist, why are you
[3:57:26] Speaker 22: talking every day about the Bible.
[3:57:28] Speaker 1: Because you think He exists? And I have to share
[3:57:30] Speaker 1: space with people that thinks he's real.
[3:57:33] Speaker 4: Chat.
[3:57:33] Speaker 1: Thank you for the cake, big w.
[3:57:37] Speaker 30: These people, I mean believers, they believe in God because
[3:57:41] Speaker 30: they have seen, they have testimony, they know God.
[3:57:44] Speaker 1: Oh no, no, I don't think so at all, because
[3:57:48] Speaker 1: I would say that, like my Hindu friends have the
[3:57:50] Speaker 1: same experiences of my Christian friends. I actually have Jewish
[3:57:55] Speaker 1: friends that are believers that claim they have experiences too,
[3:57:58] Speaker 1: So like, just because people claim to have an experience
[3:58:01] Speaker 1: doesn't mean that they're actually having experience.
[3:58:05] Speaker 22: I mean, you have missed the point.
[3:58:07] Speaker 30: You know, people that follow Jesus, there are people that
[3:58:12] Speaker 30: have their own taste money and there their fate begins
[3:58:16] Speaker 30: with their heart that there is things mira because they
[3:58:19] Speaker 30: have seen in their life.
[3:58:21] Speaker 4: You know.
[3:58:23] Speaker 30: That's why I believe in Jesus before I read the Bible.
[3:58:27] Speaker 1: Yeah, but there's no evidence that Jesus is God, much
[3:58:30] Speaker 1: less that the Yahweh is Trinity or any other nonsense
[3:58:34] Speaker 1: in the Bible. He's a fulfilled zero Messianic prophecies whatsoever.
[3:58:38] Speaker 1: I have no reason to believe that this guy is
[3:58:40] Speaker 1: a god, not even a Messiah. So what would be
[3:58:45] Speaker 1: the reason why I don't actually want to confess my
[3:58:48] Speaker 1: sins to this god that is an absolute monster, and
[3:58:52] Speaker 1: it doesn't even fulfill his own predictions.
[3:58:56] Speaker 30: I mean, if you're describing him as as a monster,
[3:58:59] Speaker 30: that means you you know that he exists, is right?
[3:59:02] Speaker 1: I see he's fictional. Jam this is I don't I
[3:59:06] Speaker 1: don't know how hard this is for you. You can
[3:59:08] Speaker 1: talk about fictional entities in a story book without believing
[3:59:11] Speaker 1: that they're real.
[3:59:14] Speaker 22: I'm in fictional. The Bible is real. It's not fictional.
[3:59:19] Speaker 22: Fantasy's in it.
[3:59:20] Speaker 1: The God of the Bible is fiction.
[3:59:25] Speaker 22: No, why, I mean why I have you feelings though?
[3:59:27] Speaker 22: Why do you hate God?
[3:59:29] Speaker 1: I don't hate God. I don't believe in God.
[3:59:33] Speaker 30: I mean you are like insults. You might see you
[3:59:35] Speaker 30: have feelings towards God. You cannot have feelings to something
[3:59:38] Speaker 30: that doesn't exist.
[3:59:40] Speaker 1: I have feelings towards religion. I have the same feelings
[3:59:45] Speaker 1: towards the Muslim God. Does that mean I believe in
[3:59:48] Speaker 1: the Muslim God too. Shit. That means I believe in
[3:59:50] Speaker 1: a bunch of gods. Guys, did you know that if
[3:59:52] Speaker 1: you if you dislike a religion, that you must believe
[3:59:55] Speaker 1: in their god. That's crazy. Do you dislike Allah?
[4:00:01] Speaker 22: I mean is God?
[4:00:03] Speaker 19: No?
[4:00:03] Speaker 1: Do you do you dislike the Muslim God?
[4:00:08] Speaker 22: I mean the Muslim God is not like I don't
[4:00:12] Speaker 22: believe in the Quran?
[4:00:13] Speaker 1: You know, Oh, you just talked about him. You must
[4:00:15] Speaker 1: believe in them.
[4:00:18] Speaker 22: No, I know Jesus is God. There is no Jesus
[4:00:21] Speaker 22: is the creator of heaven.
[4:00:23] Speaker 1: What about the Mormon God? Do you like the Mormon gods?
[4:00:27] Speaker 30: The Mormons have actually met them on the streets preaching
[4:00:30] Speaker 30: to me the moments they are trying to.
[4:00:32] Speaker 1: Doesn't listen to the same question I asked, Sham. I
[4:00:35] Speaker 1: think this is what happened last time we talked. You
[4:00:37] Speaker 1: actually don't listen to the words coming out of my mouth.
[4:00:41] Speaker 1: You know how when you say things like I respond
[4:00:44] Speaker 1: to what you say, But when I say things, you
[4:00:46] Speaker 1: just ramble on something in coherent different than what I'm
[4:00:49] Speaker 1: talking about.
[4:00:52] Speaker 30: No, you misunderstand this. I'm just trying to tell you
[4:00:55] Speaker 30: the Mormons that I'm.
[4:00:57] Speaker 1: Pretty sure that's exactly the way our previous converse station went.
[4:01:00] Speaker 1: So we'll just cut that one short. All right, let's
[4:01:05] Speaker 1: grab a Perusia seventy or parocea. I tried to get
[4:01:13] Speaker 1: him on. I don't think they're actually in the queue anymore.
[4:01:17] Speaker 1: Add them to the screen, but I don't see them
[4:01:19] Speaker 1: more hear them. I think Perusia actually dropped out. Let
[4:01:22] Speaker 1: me refresh my cueue just to make sure. Oh, actually
[4:01:26] Speaker 1: he is with us.
[4:01:30] Speaker 2: Welcome.
[4:01:32] Speaker 1: Oh maybe maybe he's got a slow connection. It could
[4:01:36] Speaker 1: be spent. We had a lot of slow connections tonight, guys.
[4:01:38] Speaker 1: It's been a wild night for connections. Mad Dog is
[4:01:42] Speaker 1: asking if you can come up. Yeah, you can come
[4:01:43] Speaker 1: up next, mad Dog hit the request button on TikTok
[4:01:46] Speaker 1: and we'll talk about it. Perusia, I think you're frozen
[4:01:50] Speaker 1: over there. I think your stream is frozen while it's
[4:01:55] Speaker 1: not pulling you up. Your camera shows that it's on,
[4:01:57] Speaker 1: but your camera's frozen. I don't know exactly what's going
[4:02:01] Speaker 1: on with you, but something's up with your system. Restart
[4:02:04] Speaker 1: your system, come back up and try again. All right,
[4:02:10] Speaker 1: did g request? I don't see her in the queue.
[4:02:15] Speaker 1: Who was just asking a second?
[4:02:16] Speaker 3: And go to come up?
[4:02:22] Speaker 1: All right, prusy, it came back. We'll see if they
[4:02:24] Speaker 1: got a better connection this time. Pro see you with us? Yes, no, maybe, no,
[4:02:32] Speaker 1: not so much. All right, something's wrong with your connection.
[4:02:35] Speaker 1: You gotta get Wi Fi or something. I don't know
[4:02:37] Speaker 1: what's going on with you. All right, Well we'll keep
[4:02:41] Speaker 1: on moving. Guys, we've got a friend in the guest box.
[4:02:46] Speaker 1: Actually we ran. I think we ran out of opposition.
[4:02:49] Speaker 1: Welcome mostly Gizzard. It's good to see it tonight. Thank
[4:02:51] Speaker 1: you for the ten dollars. As I smelled the odor
[4:02:54] Speaker 1: of justin cooking and I find it pleasing, big w
[4:02:57] Speaker 1: Mostley Gizard, thank you for that. Good to hear from you.
[4:03:01] Speaker 1: All right, Oh, mad Dog did come back. We'll get
[4:03:03] Speaker 1: mad Dog next. How you doing, Dan?
[4:03:06] Speaker 3: Hey, how's it going?
[4:03:08] Speaker 1: Not too bad?
[4:03:08] Speaker 4: Are you.
[4:03:11] Speaker 7: Pretty good?
[4:03:12] Speaker 1: What's on your mind?
[4:03:13] Speaker 10: To name?
[4:03:17] Speaker 7: Give me a minute. I wanted to bring up something.
[4:03:22] Speaker 7: I wanted to bring up something. Well, first of all,
[4:03:26] Speaker 7: I'm over the age of eighteen, and i'm deconstructing from
[4:03:34] Speaker 7: believing I'm a agnostic atheist. But I'm scrolling through trying
[4:03:46] Speaker 7: to find some texts that I wanted to bring up.
[4:03:50] Speaker 7: I'm sorry, give me just a second. I don't even
[4:03:58] Speaker 7: want to get.
[4:04:00] Speaker 1: I can grab the next guest want. Yeah, we're looking
[4:04:04] Speaker 1: for some debates if we.
[4:04:05] Speaker 3: Can do it.
[4:04:07] Speaker 7: Right, right right. I feel like it should be important
[4:04:12] Speaker 7: to I feel like you should deliver something right, like
[4:04:18] Speaker 7: better than I could. That a lot of a lot
[4:04:24] Speaker 7: of Christians out there are like worried about being deceived
[4:04:32] Speaker 7: in the sense that they will like receive the mark
[4:04:36] Speaker 7: like unbeknownst to them, let's say, but Revelations fourteen nine
[4:04:43] Speaker 7: through eleven makes it clear that those who receive the
[4:04:46] Speaker 7: mark are like also worshiping the beast.
[4:04:50] Speaker 1: Yeah, worship the beast. Yeah, yeah, I know that you.
[4:04:56] Speaker 7: I've heard you speak on this because I've heard your
[4:05:00] Speaker 7: position that you're preterist. No no, no, no, but but
[4:05:06] Speaker 7: you're open to that right No, no, I think is
[4:05:12] Speaker 7: completely wrong. Okay, well whatever, I'm just saying, like, uh, well,
[4:05:21] Speaker 7: what do you mean by that? Like, what is the
[4:05:23] Speaker 7: position that you take on that? What's yours is.
[4:05:26] Speaker 1: That all of the prophecies that the Bible have come true,
[4:05:29] Speaker 1: but they simply haven't.
[4:05:34] Speaker 7: Well said. But I'm saying, like, uh, it is obviously
[4:05:40] Speaker 7: clear that there's uh well, okay, like let me let
[4:05:43] Speaker 7: me just clarify, like, I'm a little nervous. I'm sorry,
[4:05:47] Speaker 7: and I'm intoxicated, to be honest.
[4:05:49] Speaker 2: But I can trying to.
[4:05:52] Speaker 7: I'm trying to. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm trying to articulate, right,
[4:05:56] Speaker 7: I hear myself. I'm sorry, but but but let me
[4:06:01] Speaker 7: let me.
[4:06:02] Speaker 1: Well, Dan, I mean you're not a Christian neither am I.
[4:06:06] Speaker 1: And we've got some Christians waiting to get in, so
[4:06:08] Speaker 1: I'm gonna move on. Okay, But can I just say
[4:06:12] Speaker 1: real quick, your friends on Facebook send me a message
[4:06:14] Speaker 1: over there. We can we can discuss this offline.
[4:06:19] Speaker 7: Yeah they're okay, Yeah, there's just can I say this
[4:06:27] Speaker 7: real quick?
[4:06:30] Speaker 6: Yeah?
[4:06:30] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[4:06:30] Speaker 7: So clearly there's worship with the mark of the beast. Right,
[4:06:35] Speaker 7: there's a lot of people that are like worried, like
[4:06:39] Speaker 7: my mother, my my wife even right, Like, there's a
[4:06:44] Speaker 7: lot of people that are close to me that are
[4:06:46] Speaker 7: worried that they'll be tricked into taking the mark of
[4:06:49] Speaker 7: the beast. Right, But clearly it's not like the COVID
[4:06:55] Speaker 7: vaccine or like a sort of microchip or anything like
[4:07:02] Speaker 7: you could be deceived into taking. Right, would you agree
[4:07:06] Speaker 7: with that? Yeah, because there'd be worship associated.
[4:07:10] Speaker 1: So there's the verse nine, those who worship the beast
[4:07:12] Speaker 1: and its image and receive the mark on their foreheads
[4:07:16] Speaker 1: or on their hands.
[4:07:17] Speaker 7: So yeah, yeah, but the forehead and hands is also
[4:07:20] Speaker 7: like you could refer to like Deuteronomy and Exodus, Like
[4:07:25] Speaker 7: Deuteronomy six eight says find God soul to the fourth finance.
[4:07:31] Speaker 7: But it's like clearly metaphorical. But there's I know, there's
[4:07:35] Speaker 7: Hasidic Jews that you could have can represent to like
[4:07:41] Speaker 7: the KJV.
[4:07:43] Speaker 1: I gotta move on to the debate.
[4:07:45] Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, I feel that.
[4:07:48] Speaker 7: Are you going to be in the discord later?
[4:07:51] Speaker 1: By chance, I'm gonna be going to do ever do that.
[4:07:54] Speaker 1: I'm in the discord pretty often. It's just kind of
[4:07:56] Speaker 1: a busy, busy week for me.
[4:07:58] Speaker 3: I got.
[4:08:00] Speaker 1: Some project deadlines that are due in the next week
[4:08:03] Speaker 1: or two. So I'm working a lot at job. Remember, guys,
[4:08:10] Speaker 1: outside of what I'm doing here, I work a full
[4:08:12] Speaker 1: time job.
[4:08:14] Speaker 7: No, I feel that, I feel that.
[4:08:18] Speaker 1: Hit me up offline.
[4:08:21] Speaker 7: All right, yeah, we'll do see buddy. Sorry to no,
[4:08:25] Speaker 7: You're okay, You're.
[4:08:27] Speaker 1: Okay, cheers, bud. He didn't want to sleep some of
[4:08:31] Speaker 1: that off. All right, we'll get mad Dog in here.
[4:08:33] Speaker 1: Welcome in mad Dog.
[4:08:35] Speaker 6: Hey, how's it going?
[4:08:36] Speaker 1: Good night?
[4:08:37] Speaker 6: You doing doing Okay? I apologize for my voice.
[4:08:40] Speaker 4: A little bit.
[4:08:41] Speaker 6: I'm a little I'm getting over being sick, and I'm
[4:08:43] Speaker 6: also making banana bread.
[4:08:45] Speaker 1: Right now, but he'll be bana bread.
[4:08:48] Speaker 6: Yeah, it's pretty dang good. I'm sorry say so myself,
[4:08:51] Speaker 6: but I am. Yes, I am. One of my favorite arguments.
[4:08:59] Speaker 6: And I can tell that you're very well versed in,
[4:09:02] Speaker 6: you know, studying the Bible, studying apologetics, whatever. So one
[4:09:06] Speaker 6: of my favorite apologetics type argument is the teleological argument,
[4:09:11] Speaker 6: which I'm sure you're familiar with, and topic is basically
[4:09:17] Speaker 6: the the the evidence and goodness evidence of God, the
[4:09:22] Speaker 6: origin of the universe, basically existence of God. So that's
[4:09:25] Speaker 6: that's my favorite topics.
[4:09:27] Speaker 1: We're talking about.
[4:09:32] Speaker 6: Syndrome, So if if we're switching gears to that, that's.
[4:09:38] Speaker 3: All night.
[4:09:39] Speaker 6: No, I understand, there's just been several people talking about
[4:09:42] Speaker 6: other stuff. So if we're talking about religion, I would
[4:09:48] Speaker 6: argue that a lot of religion is corrupt, no matter
[4:09:51] Speaker 6: what religion it is. So I would agree that there's
[4:09:54] Speaker 6: definitely some people who will push religion as something that's bad,
[4:10:01] Speaker 6: something that's destructive. Even however, I'm one of those that
[4:10:05] Speaker 6: would argue that having a personal relationship with Jesus is
[4:10:10] Speaker 6: completely different than operating in a state of religion.
[4:10:13] Speaker 1: Can you have a relationship with somebody that only gives
[4:10:16] Speaker 1: you one alternative, which is torture?
[4:10:19] Speaker 6: I don't believe that it's torture. I believe that human
[4:10:22] Speaker 6: nature is in and of itself sinful and corrupt.
[4:10:28] Speaker 1: What's the alternative to being in a relationship with Jesus?
[4:10:33] Speaker 6: I would say that it's freedom that he that Jesus
[4:10:37] Speaker 6: is paid for our punishment.
[4:10:38] Speaker 1: I don't think you follow what I'm saying. If I
[4:10:41] Speaker 1: don't believe in Jesus and I don't have a relationship
[4:10:44] Speaker 1: with this guy, carcass, what happens to me when I die?
[4:10:47] Speaker 21: Right?
[4:10:48] Speaker 6: So? I would say that that's separation from God. I
[4:10:51] Speaker 6: don't think that. I think God has mercy on those
[4:10:55] Speaker 6: who don't know of him.
[4:10:56] Speaker 1: But for those huh, as hell exists?
[4:11:00] Speaker 6: Does hell exist? I believe it does.
[4:11:02] Speaker 1: Is it fun?
[4:11:04] Speaker 6: No? I absolutely don't think so.
[4:11:05] Speaker 1: Is there wailing and gnashing of teeth and fire there?
[4:11:08] Speaker 6: I believe so, But I also believe would.
[4:11:10] Speaker 1: You describe it as being torturous?
[4:11:13] Speaker 25: Yeah?
[4:11:14] Speaker 1: Okay, So then good. If you don't have a relationship
[4:11:17] Speaker 1: with Jesus, you get tortured. That's the implications of your religion.
[4:11:21] Speaker 6: I if yeah, I mean I would agree that's.
[4:11:25] Speaker 1: Can you love somebody when the only alternative to loving
[4:11:28] Speaker 1: them is torture?
[4:11:32] Speaker 6: Again, I don't think that that description fits it necessarily.
[4:11:37] Speaker 6: I think, well, here's this, This analogy is apparent that
[4:11:42] Speaker 6: teaches their child what is right and what is wrong.
[4:11:45] Speaker 6: Doesn't necessarily exclude torture for consequence. Now, I understand that
[4:11:50] Speaker 6: the definition of hell is a little bit different. However,
[4:11:54] Speaker 6: I don't know it's it's it's consequences. It's you would
[4:11:58] Speaker 6: agree that there.
[4:11:59] Speaker 1: Are con Hell is not a natural consequence of anything.
[4:12:03] Speaker 1: It's a decision that God made. God made heaven. It
[4:12:06] Speaker 1: didn't naturally occur.
[4:12:09] Speaker 6: But the natural consequence of that is separation from God.
[4:12:12] Speaker 1: Like natural consequence, God designed every consequence.
[4:12:17] Speaker 6: The absence of light is darkness. That doesn't necessarily mean.
[4:12:21] Speaker 1: God designed that right. And God designed the consequences of sin.
[4:12:27] Speaker 6: I don't think it's unjustified for unbelievers to go to
[4:12:31] Speaker 6: Hell if they If they did.
[4:12:32] Speaker 1: God designed the consequences of sin.
[4:12:38] Speaker 6: That's that's a hard one. Now, I believe it's a
[4:12:42] Speaker 6: I think it's a gray area, more.
[4:12:44] Speaker 1: So because great God, God designed.
[4:12:48] Speaker 6: God didn't create evil.
[4:12:50] Speaker 1: Did God design the consequences of sin?
[4:12:53] Speaker 4: Though?
[4:12:53] Speaker 1: Did he make the decision of what would happen when
[4:12:56] Speaker 1: people sinned?
[4:12:57] Speaker 6: I think that Hell is a place where answer.
[4:13:01] Speaker 1: No question mad yes or no. Did God design the
[4:13:05] Speaker 1: consequences of sin? Was that his consequence decision?
[4:13:09] Speaker 6: If you're talking about Hell, then I think it's a
[4:13:11] Speaker 6: gray area. If you're talking about human nature, like he
[4:13:14] Speaker 6: may know an eye for an eye or something.
[4:13:16] Speaker 1: Like that, then sure focus up Who made Hell?
[4:13:22] Speaker 6: I think Hell exists as the absence of God.
[4:13:25] Speaker 1: Who made Hell?
[4:13:28] Speaker 6: I don't know, because God can't be there. That's the thing.
[4:13:32] Speaker 2: God is God.
[4:13:35] Speaker 6: God can't be an evil.
[4:13:37] Speaker 1: Otherwise God omnipresent. Yes, he's omnipresent, then he's everywhere, so
[4:13:42] Speaker 1: you can't say that can't be somewhere.
[4:13:45] Speaker 6: I think that God has times where he can limit
[4:13:48] Speaker 6: his power.
[4:13:49] Speaker 1: So then he's not omnipresent.
[4:13:51] Speaker 6: That's not true.
[4:13:53] Speaker 1: It's either yes or no, he's an omnipresident or he's not.
[4:13:56] Speaker 6: He is omnipresent, but that doesn't mean he can't coexist
[4:14:01] Speaker 6: with Hell. It's absence from God. That's the point.
[4:14:04] Speaker 1: Is Jesus God. Yes, Jesus descended into Hades when he
[4:14:10] Speaker 1: was dead for those two days. So if Jesus is
[4:14:14] Speaker 1: God and he went into Hell, then God can be
[4:14:16] Speaker 1: in Hell. Also, Satan was in God's presence in the
[4:14:18] Speaker 1: first two chapters of Job.
[4:14:20] Speaker 6: Yeah, I would agree.
[4:14:21] Speaker 1: In Satan's sinner.
[4:14:22] Speaker 6: Two mm hmm. But that doesn't mean that you can.
[4:14:27] Speaker 1: Have sinners in God's present. It happens all the time
[4:14:29] Speaker 1: in the Bible.
[4:14:30] Speaker 6: It doesn't. Yeah, I think that evil can be within
[4:14:34] Speaker 6: some of the presence of God, but that's not where God, who.
[4:14:37] Speaker 1: Makes the decision, who decides what can and cannot be
[4:14:41] Speaker 1: in God's presence.
[4:14:44] Speaker 6: I don't know if anybody could know that.
[4:14:46] Speaker 1: It's obviously God. When God creates everything and decides how
[4:14:51] Speaker 1: everything's going to work, then yes, it was God's decision.
[4:14:55] Speaker 6: It could be. But again, I mean I think that
[4:14:58] Speaker 6: hell it is. What does this have to do with the.
[4:15:01] Speaker 1: Sec in the Bible? By the way, there's no Bible
[4:15:03] Speaker 1: versus as Hell is the absence of God.
[4:15:05] Speaker 6: Why are we talking about Stockholm syndrome? But I can't
[4:15:08] Speaker 6: talk about the existence of.
[4:15:09] Speaker 1: God because that's the topic is Christianity is Stockholm does?
[4:15:15] Speaker 6: What does hell have to do with it?
[4:15:16] Speaker 1: Hell is the Stockholm syndrome. You're saying that you're you're
[4:15:20] Speaker 1: justifying the abuse of the religion. God is the abuser
[4:15:25] Speaker 1: and you're the victim, and you're here justifying it because
[4:15:28] Speaker 1: you've got Stockholm syndrome. The same reason why when you
[4:15:31] Speaker 1: find a woman who's being abused by her boyfriend or
[4:15:34] Speaker 1: husband or whoever it is, and they say, hey, why
[4:15:38] Speaker 1: is he hitting you?
[4:15:39] Speaker 4: Oh?
[4:15:40] Speaker 1: I had it coming. I should have did what he
[4:15:41] Speaker 1: told me to.
[4:15:42] Speaker 2: I didn't.
[4:15:42] Speaker 1: I didn't cook him dinner when he came home. He
[4:15:44] Speaker 1: had to hit me.
[4:15:46] Speaker 6: That's that's I think that those are two different things completely.
[4:15:50] Speaker 1: God have to send to anyone to hell?
[4:15:54] Speaker 6: Yeah, because there did be.
[4:15:56] Speaker 1: Yeah, God's not all powerful, it's not.
[4:16:01] Speaker 3: No.
[4:16:01] Speaker 6: The way that humanity worked was that we weren't robots.
[4:16:05] Speaker 6: We were given free will, which was a decide to
[4:16:08] Speaker 6: follow God or to not la The latter represents where
[4:16:15] Speaker 6: people go if they choose to be separate.
[4:16:17] Speaker 1: From God, and who decided that consequence?
[4:16:20] Speaker 6: Then God?
[4:16:21] Speaker 1: Okay, so did God have to decide that consequence?
[4:16:26] Speaker 6: Yeah, because it was the consequence.
[4:16:30] Speaker 1: Get mad, You're not catching it. All powerful beings that
[4:16:33] Speaker 1: are making decisions don't have to do anything. Because they're
[4:16:38] Speaker 1: all powerful, they can decide to do any fucking thing
[4:16:41] Speaker 1: they want, which means He didn't have to create Hell.
[4:16:45] Speaker 1: He chose to create Hell.
[4:16:48] Speaker 6: Then would it be better for God to create robots
[4:16:51] Speaker 6: that can only love him that don't have choice?
[4:16:55] Speaker 1: That would also stop stop yapping and pay attention to
[4:16:59] Speaker 1: my words, and not to do with free will. Had
[4:17:02] Speaker 1: nothing to do with free will. Pay attention. I'm not
[4:17:04] Speaker 1: saying that. I'm not saying that God didn't give us
[4:17:08] Speaker 1: decision making capabilities. I'm saying the consequence of using the
[4:17:12] Speaker 1: decision making capabilities results in Hell. Was it necessary for
[4:17:18] Speaker 1: God to create Hell?
[4:17:21] Speaker 6: I understand what you're saying, but if you look at
[4:17:23] Speaker 6: it from the other perspective of what if God desire?
[4:17:27] Speaker 1: Try this again. That was a very easy yes or
[4:17:30] Speaker 1: no question, and I need you to say yes or
[4:17:33] Speaker 1: no to my question did God have to create Hell?
[4:17:48] Speaker 1: It's amazing that they can't answer yes or no questions.
[4:17:51] Speaker 1: It's impossible.
[4:18:00] Speaker 3: You muted.
[4:18:01] Speaker 1: Is this your first time on TikTok?
[4:18:05] Speaker 6: No, it's not, and you keep muting me. But I'm
[4:18:07] Speaker 6: trying to answer my point more.
[4:18:09] Speaker 1: Than maybe a second.
[4:18:11] Speaker 4: I don't know.
[4:18:12] Speaker 1: So is a yes or no question? Did God have
[4:18:14] Speaker 1: to create?
[4:18:15] Speaker 6: Not a yes or no question to it's a more complex.
[4:18:17] Speaker 1: A yes no or maybe he would be equally or
[4:18:21] Speaker 1: if not more about that's not a yes or a no,
[4:18:24] Speaker 1: I need a yes no or I don't know.
[4:18:28] Speaker 6: It's not abusive of him to do that.
[4:18:30] Speaker 1: I didn't say it was yet, I mean it is.
[4:18:32] Speaker 1: But I'm asking you whether or not it was necessary?
[4:18:35] Speaker 1: Did God have to create Hell?
[4:18:37] Speaker 3: Yes?
[4:18:37] Speaker 12: Or no?
[4:18:38] Speaker 6: Under the circumstances?
[4:18:40] Speaker 3: Yes?
[4:18:40] Speaker 6: Why because he can?
[4:18:42] Speaker 1: What forced him to create Hell?
[4:18:44] Speaker 6: Because he can't be surrounded and dwelling in evil?
[4:18:48] Speaker 1: That's wrong. You are listening to anything we have already said.
[4:18:54] Speaker 6: I can't even explain my point.
[4:18:56] Speaker 1: God is omnipresent. Your point is wrong. I already debunked
[4:18:59] Speaker 1: at five minutes of Godd's omnipresence. There's nowhere where God
[4:19:02] Speaker 1: is not. Additionally, he allows Satan in his presence. You
[4:19:06] Speaker 1: already admitted that God decides what is and isn't allowed
[4:19:09] Speaker 1: in his presence. If God can't decide what's in his presence,
[4:19:13] Speaker 1: that means he's not all powerful. Do you believe in
[4:19:16] Speaker 1: a God that's not all powerful. No, then that means
[4:19:20] Speaker 1: your God has the ability to let anybody he wants
[4:19:23] Speaker 1: in his presence. That's definitionly true. That's part of being
[4:19:27] Speaker 1: all powerful.
[4:19:30] Speaker 6: So what are you saying is wrong with that? In
[4:19:32] Speaker 6: terms of being Hell being created.
[4:19:34] Speaker 1: Because hell is unnecessary? You said God needed to create hell,
[4:19:40] Speaker 1: and you have failed to justify why he needed to
[4:19:43] Speaker 1: do it.
[4:19:45] Speaker 6: If he's all powerful and he set up the the
[4:19:50] Speaker 6: capabilities for humanity to exist, and he wanted it so
[4:19:54] Speaker 6: that his creation could either father follow them, follow him
[4:19:58] Speaker 6: out of their own decision, or reject them within their
[4:20:02] Speaker 6: own willmaking capabilities, then he I don't know.
[4:20:09] Speaker 1: He just that had literally nothing to do with what
[4:20:13] Speaker 1: I'm talking about. I listen, the free wheel is an
[4:20:16] Speaker 1: entirely different discussion. This is very simple. Why did God
[4:20:20] Speaker 1: need to create a place of torture.
[4:20:25] Speaker 6: Because he's all good? If he literally true? I disagree.
[4:20:32] Speaker 1: I think being all good doesn't require you to torture anybody.
[4:20:38] Speaker 6: I disagree. I think God is Why.
[4:20:41] Speaker 1: Does an all good entity need to torture people?
[4:20:45] Speaker 6: He doesn't.
[4:20:46] Speaker 1: This is the Stockholm syndrome. Okay, So if he doesn't
[4:20:49] Speaker 1: need to do it, then why does he do it,
[4:20:52] Speaker 1: he doesn't. He does, He sends people to hell. He
[4:20:55] Speaker 1: decides the parameters.
[4:20:57] Speaker 6: No, I think that sin is what's evil, and I
[4:21:00] Speaker 6: don't think he can be a part of that himself.
[4:21:03] Speaker 1: So we already addressed it.
[4:21:04] Speaker 6: He can. Every time you say he can't, maybe around it,
[4:21:07] Speaker 6: he may be around it.
[4:21:08] Speaker 1: Me I need I'm not going to repeat this this
[4:21:10] Speaker 1: last time. I'm going to say it. Every time you
[4:21:13] Speaker 1: say God can't do something or God must do something,
[4:21:19] Speaker 1: then you're saying God is not all powerful. So you
[4:21:22] Speaker 1: need to stop saying that, or you need to admit
[4:21:25] Speaker 1: that you don't believe God is all powerful. It's got
[4:21:28] Speaker 1: to be one or the other. And I'm not going
[4:21:29] Speaker 1: to repeat this. It's too late. I've worked too long today.
[4:21:33] Speaker 1: I don't want to have a stupid decision over points
[4:21:36] Speaker 1: that we've had to cover five times. So do you
[4:21:39] Speaker 1: believe that God is all powerful?
[4:21:41] Speaker 13: Yes?
[4:21:41] Speaker 3: Or no?
[4:21:50] Speaker 1: Got to udmit yourself, Maddie, I know you're still yapping.
[4:21:55] Speaker 6: Yes, I would agree that God is all powerful, but
[4:21:57] Speaker 6: if he claims to be all good, he cannot be
[4:22:00] Speaker 6: part of anything else.
[4:22:02] Speaker 1: Try this again. Do all powerful beings need to do anything?
[4:22:07] Speaker 1: Or do they choose to do things.
[4:22:10] Speaker 6: I literally can't even finish my point without what you mean.
[4:22:13] Speaker 1: I need you to stop yapping and pay attention to
[4:22:15] Speaker 1: the I need you to stop yapping and pay attention
[4:22:19] Speaker 1: to the dialogue that we're having. Do all powerful beings
[4:22:24] Speaker 1: need to do anything? Or do they choose to do things?
[4:22:30] Speaker 1: Of course she dropped. She just wanted to come up
[4:22:32] Speaker 1: and yap and not actually pay attention to the questions.
[4:22:36] Speaker 1: Oh well, that's what they's what that's what you get.
[4:22:40] Speaker 1: They cannot stay on task, guys, that they've got Stockholm syndrome.
[4:22:43] Speaker 1: It's not their fault. Listen, guys, I know that's a
[4:22:47] Speaker 1: frustrating conversation, but it's not her fault. She's got Stockholm syndrome.
[4:22:50] Speaker 1: This is a psychological condition.
[4:22:52] Speaker 3: Guys.
[4:22:53] Speaker 1: Christians have psychological damage. They need help. They have Stockholm sin.
[4:23:03] Speaker 1: All right, let's grab a couple of super chats. Breezy,
[4:23:06] Speaker 1: thank you so much for the five dollar superjet says,
[4:23:08] Speaker 1: tell me you're an abusive relationship without telling me you're
[4:23:10] Speaker 1: in an abusive relationship. Yeah, she's in an abusive relationship.
[4:23:15] Speaker 1: She has no idea yet because she's got Stockholm syndrome
[4:23:18] Speaker 1: and mechanic Jack thank you. So I'm gonna call you
[4:23:21] Speaker 1: mechanic Jack even if you're not a mechanic. I just
[4:23:23] Speaker 1: assumed that's what mech refers to. Uh says an even
[4:23:29] Speaker 1: slightly loving God would have created Heck, I think you
[4:23:33] Speaker 1: mean would not. Maybe I don't know. Only a callous, cruel,
[4:23:37] Speaker 1: and unloving God creates hell. Doug would never You're right,
[4:23:40] Speaker 1: Doug would fucking never do that. Doug would never do that.
[4:23:45] Speaker 1: You're a million percent right, mechanic Jack and Alex b
[4:23:49] Speaker 1: thank you so much for the ten Now Superjet says,
[4:23:51] Speaker 1: if I'm wrong and in judgment I stand, I will
[4:23:54] Speaker 1: not repent because I don't give a damn. You can
[4:23:57] Speaker 1: send me to hell with the rest of my friends.
[4:23:59] Speaker 1: Benjamin Todd, that's a great quote. I appreciate that, and
[4:24:02] Speaker 1: listen like you can't tell me that living in heaven's
[4:24:05] Speaker 1: going to be much better because your loved ones are
[4:24:08] Speaker 1: down here suffering. If you're telling me I'm going to
[4:24:11] Speaker 1: heaven and some of my loved ones are burning in
[4:24:13] Speaker 1: health for eternity, I'm going to be happy there. Get
[4:24:16] Speaker 1: the flip out of here. That's crazy.
[4:24:19] Speaker 17: Aaron.
[4:24:19] Speaker 1: Good to see you tonight, my friend. Thank you for
[4:24:21] Speaker 1: the ten hour supertest, It says, got to love how
[4:24:23] Speaker 1: they say it's not a yes or no question, then
[4:24:25] Speaker 1: two seconds later answer yes. Wild I know it always
[4:24:30] Speaker 1: is a yes or no question. They just hate the answer.
[4:24:33] Speaker 1: They refuse to be honest without lies. Christianity dies, guys,
[4:24:37] Speaker 1: and mechanic Jack again, thank you for the Supergedt says
[4:24:40] Speaker 1: when I think all good, I usually think torture.
[4:24:43] Speaker 7: Yeah.
[4:24:44] Speaker 1: When I think of an all good God, I think
[4:24:45] Speaker 1: of a god that has to torture people. He's required
[4:24:49] Speaker 1: to torture people. In fact, that's crazy to me. She
[4:24:54] Speaker 1: had no idea any of the points in that conversation.
[4:24:57] Speaker 1: She had no idea what was going on. She it
[4:25:00] Speaker 1: was just lost on basic definitions like being you know,
[4:25:03] Speaker 1: all powerful. We do what we can guys. Michael Norris
[4:25:09] Speaker 1: is shouting in the comments, let me in, Let me in, Michael.
[4:25:12] Speaker 1: I don't know if you're lost. But that's not how
[4:25:14] Speaker 1: getting into a debate works. You have to hit the
[4:25:17] Speaker 1: guest request button just like everybody else. No one's keeping
[4:25:22] Speaker 1: you from the discussion. That's that's not how this thing works.
[4:25:30] Speaker 17: Well.
[4:25:31] Speaker 1: I tried to get m Renee in the guest box,
[4:25:34] Speaker 1: but em Rene is not connecting. So we'll move on
[4:25:38] Speaker 1: to our next guest and Ben big W thank you
[4:25:45] Speaker 1: for the five options. P Jest says, just found you.
[4:25:48] Speaker 1: You're the bomb. No, Ben, you're the bomb, and thank
[4:25:51] Speaker 1: you so much for finding us and joining the channel,
[4:25:54] Speaker 1: and thank you for the super chat. Big W for Ben.
[4:25:57] Speaker 1: All right, we've gotten now. It looks like michaels with
[4:26:00] Speaker 1: that's how you do. Michael, Hi, how are you?
[4:26:04] Speaker 31: I'm good?
[4:26:05] Speaker 3: I'm good.
[4:26:06] Speaker 31: So I actually wanted to talk to you about the
[4:26:11] Speaker 31: the whole idea of Stockholm syndrome, which the basis of
[4:26:14] Speaker 31: Stockholm syndrome is basically making someone feel guilty or rather
[4:26:19] Speaker 31: in a situation or make them feel pressured in order
[4:26:23] Speaker 31: to make them feel like they have to love you.
[4:26:26] Speaker 31: And in that instance we have to understand that that's
[4:26:30] Speaker 31: where someone is being held and they don't have a
[4:26:34] Speaker 31: choice of moving. I think a lot of times in
[4:26:39] Speaker 31: our lives.
[4:26:39] Speaker 1: Are yes, okay, can we choose to leave the earth?
[4:26:47] Speaker 31: Yes, we can actually choose to leave the earth at
[4:26:50] Speaker 31: any time that we want.
[4:26:53] Speaker 13: Have you ever heard of.
[4:26:55] Speaker 1: What are you talking about?
[4:26:57] Speaker 31: I don't know, like our spirits?
[4:26:59] Speaker 13: Have you ever heard of were go.
[4:27:02] Speaker 31: Heaven?
[4:27:03] Speaker 1: Where's heaven?
[4:27:04] Speaker 31: But heaven is outside of our space time. It actually
[4:27:07] Speaker 31: exists in a different.
[4:27:08] Speaker 1: And I could accuse to go there right now.
[4:27:11] Speaker 31: Well, I mean definitely you could attempt to. We see
[4:27:17] Speaker 31: metaphysical properties that are beyond our own conception. I'd say
[4:27:21] Speaker 31: more or less instead of like a stuff, It exists
[4:27:26] Speaker 31: outside of our space time and our understanding of things.
[4:27:29] Speaker 1: Is it possible that it's made out of pixie dust?
[4:27:32] Speaker 31: Pixie dust has a physicality that exists in our own dimension,
[4:27:36] Speaker 31: but however we would only be able to understand it.
[4:27:38] Speaker 1: So it's made out of nothing. Then Heaven is made
[4:27:40] Speaker 1: out of nothing.
[4:27:42] Speaker 31: It's made out of something, and you don't know what
[4:27:45] Speaker 31: is plasma.
[4:27:48] Speaker 1: Plasma is out of physical existence. Yes, it's a physically
[4:27:52] Speaker 1: you said that heaven wasn't physical.
[4:27:55] Speaker 31: It's how do explain this? It isn't physical to our
[4:27:59] Speaker 31: physic bodies, but it's physical to our spiritual bodies.
[4:28:02] Speaker 13: See, we have the spirit.
[4:28:04] Speaker 31: The spiritual body is different than the physical body, in
[4:28:08] Speaker 31: which case it is the sum of one's understanding, intelligence,
[4:28:14] Speaker 31: their experiences, and all the things that exist. Can I
[4:28:17] Speaker 31: give you an example of how that exactly?
[4:28:19] Speaker 1: I don't think you answered my question. I'm trying to
[4:28:21] Speaker 1: figure out what the what the what the heaven is
[4:28:24] Speaker 1: made out of and what we're going to be made
[4:28:26] Speaker 1: out of when we get there.
[4:28:27] Speaker 31: Okay, So you know how light If you.
[4:28:31] Speaker 1: Don't have a physical if you don't have a physical property,
[4:28:35] Speaker 1: how do you know where you're at in space?
[4:28:38] Speaker 13: Okay?
[4:28:38] Speaker 31: If you don't have a physical property, how do you
[4:28:40] Speaker 31: know where you're in space?
[4:28:41] Speaker 3: All right?
[4:28:42] Speaker 31: So it's kind of like our physical bodies. We have
[4:28:49] Speaker 31: a certain degree of awareness because we are in reaction,
[4:28:53] Speaker 31: like where our bodies react to certain things and all
[4:28:56] Speaker 31: the things that are around us. But our spirits, although
[4:29:01] Speaker 31: that they react in a similar facet, it isn't exactly
[4:29:05] Speaker 31: in the same way. It's kind of like another sense.
[4:29:09] Speaker 31: Have you ever heard of, like the idea you're going
[4:29:11] Speaker 31: to answering.
[4:29:11] Speaker 1: My question at all? If you don't have a physicality,
[4:29:15] Speaker 1: if there's no physical properties to heaven or to people
[4:29:18] Speaker 1: that go there, then how could you say that it's
[4:29:20] Speaker 1: it's that it exists somewhere else? Because saying that something
[4:29:24] Speaker 1: exists in a location applies physicality. Yes, yes, does it
[4:29:30] Speaker 1: exist in a location or does it exist nowhere?
[4:29:33] Speaker 31: It exists in the location.
[4:29:34] Speaker 1: Okay, so it is a location so when people are there,
[4:29:37] Speaker 1: they must have some physical appearance or some physicality because
[4:29:41] Speaker 1: they'll be able to be there not here. Yes, okay, okay.
[4:29:46] Speaker 1: So now we've got a physical heaven with physical entities
[4:29:49] Speaker 1: in it that exist somewhere else in space. Yes, okay,
[4:29:54] Speaker 1: And how do you know that this is there?
[4:29:58] Speaker 31: Well, for one, we know those if you've ever seen
[4:30:02] Speaker 31: the dog work. Well, if you've seen some of the
[4:30:04] Speaker 31: spacecrafts that we've seen, like our satellites and stuff like that,
[4:30:09] Speaker 31: we can look and these satellites and they have these
[4:30:14] Speaker 31: telescopes out in space, and just outside our agronomous galaxy,
[4:30:20] Speaker 31: there's a belt of energy that is seen to be
[4:30:24] Speaker 31: the origin. Energy is mass. Well, energy cannot be created
[4:30:31] Speaker 31: or destroyed, so therefore energy, it takes on multiple facets.
[4:30:36] Speaker 31: And you know energy even is energy is all around us.
[4:30:41] Speaker 1: So it's energy is a property of matter.
[4:30:44] Speaker 31: Yeah, it's a property of matter. It cannot be created
[4:30:47] Speaker 31: nor destroyed. So therefore it is always an existence.
[4:30:53] Speaker 1: Just like yes, matter, space and time always existed.
[4:30:56] Speaker 31: I agree, No God, I would say that there is
[4:31:01] Speaker 31: a god.
[4:31:01] Speaker 1: Why matter of space and time always existed?
[4:31:04] Speaker 4: What do we need in God?
[4:31:06] Speaker 31: Well, how do you get that?
[4:31:07] Speaker 13: To exist.
[4:31:08] Speaker 1: It always existed. That's the definition of always existing. If
[4:31:13] Speaker 1: something always existed, then nobody created it.
[4:31:17] Speaker 31: But then how did it even come to the theory
[4:31:19] Speaker 31: of existing?
[4:31:21] Speaker 1: Why does it always existed?
[4:31:23] Speaker 26: But why does it exist?
[4:31:24] Speaker 1: I mean, why is there something rather than nothing? Yes,
[4:31:28] Speaker 1: nobody knows that. Nobody will ever know that.
[4:31:30] Speaker 3: Well, I can.
[4:31:32] Speaker 1: I don't believe there was ever nothing. Yeah, so the
[4:31:35] Speaker 1: something neither to you?
[4:31:37] Speaker 31: There there at some point was nothing.
[4:31:39] Speaker 1: No, you just said that matter, space, and time were eternal,
[4:31:42] Speaker 1: which means there was never a time where there wasn't something.
[4:31:45] Speaker 1: These are like really basic definitions, my man.
[4:31:48] Speaker 31: Yeah, yeah, I'm thinking of it like this. Okay, So
[4:31:53] Speaker 31: you believe in a big Bang, right.
[4:31:55] Speaker 1: I believe in Big Bang. I don't think that the
[4:31:57] Speaker 1: Big Bang was something from nothing.
[4:32:00] Speaker 31: So in which case, although there may have been energy
[4:32:05] Speaker 31: or something to start with, it wasn't in the same
[4:32:09] Speaker 31: kind of mass that there was in not today's form.
[4:32:14] Speaker 31: It would have been a single molecule or something.
[4:32:16] Speaker 1: Very fund A single molecule or or an atom.
[4:32:21] Speaker 26: Or something of the sort that would have.
[4:32:24] Speaker 3: At all.
[4:32:25] Speaker 2: What do I do this with myself?
[4:32:27] Speaker 1: All right, Michael, listen, I don't think you've like thought
[4:32:29] Speaker 1: out any of these talking points. I'm going to move
[4:32:31] Speaker 1: on to the next guest, but I appreciate you coming
[4:32:33] Speaker 1: up and being nice. Okay, yeah, yeah, I have a
[4:32:36] Speaker 1: good one of us. Bro was literally making that stuff
[4:32:39] Speaker 1: up as he was going. Dude, was just this free
[4:32:45] Speaker 1: ball in it. Sat Barton is good to see you tonight.
[4:32:48] Speaker 1: By the way, thank you for the two that says,
[4:32:50] Speaker 1: oh yeah, the galaxy and Drama Andrew Nemus, I actually
[4:32:54] Speaker 1: don't know. I know a drama A drama n see,
[4:32:57] Speaker 1: now I can't say it, and Drameda. There we go,
[4:33:00] Speaker 1: the Andromeda Galaxy. He's gonna cly with us, actually, Evan,
[4:33:03] Speaker 1: thank you so much for the fight hour Superjet says,
[4:33:05] Speaker 1: when the spirit leaves the body, which whole does it
[4:33:08] Speaker 1: go through north or south? Yeah, that's a really good question.
[4:33:11] Speaker 1: I want to know when the spirit leaves the body
[4:33:15] Speaker 1: is I mean, we could assume it's leaving through, you know,
[4:33:19] Speaker 1: an orifice, but which one? Which orifice? Also, Saint Barnabas again,
[4:33:26] Speaker 1: thank you so much for the fight out of Superjet.
[4:33:28] Speaker 1: It says that was so sad Maddie was clinging so
[4:33:31] Speaker 1: destinately to her delusion as well as she was she
[4:33:34] Speaker 1: was doing her best, you know what I mean. But
[4:33:36] Speaker 1: that's what happens when you got Stockholm syndrome. And last one, Breezy,
[4:33:40] Speaker 1: thank you for the fight hour, Superjet says he seems
[4:33:41] Speaker 1: to know a lot about something that's beyond his understanding.
[4:33:44] Speaker 1: I don't think he understands the implications of his statement,
[4:33:47] Speaker 1: none of his statements. He didn't understand the implication of
[4:33:49] Speaker 1: none of those words. So we've got nebulous with us,
[4:33:53] Speaker 1: but nebulous also. I can hear his background noise. Can
[4:33:55] Speaker 1: you turn the background noise off? Are you thinking he
[4:34:02] Speaker 1: meant to be here? All right, we'll cut you. Come
[4:34:03] Speaker 1: on back. If you actually meant to be here, we'll
[4:34:05] Speaker 1: grab our We'll grab our next guest. Welcome in bird
[4:34:18] Speaker 1: is a word.
[4:34:20] Speaker 2: Hold on hello, Hello, hey man. I appreciate your request.
[4:34:26] Speaker 32: I just wanted to come up here because you got
[4:34:28] Speaker 32: a guy in your comments that's really causing I'm wondering
[4:34:33] Speaker 32: where your mods are.
[4:34:34] Speaker 1: Man, Oh shit, Mons might not be in here. Who
[4:34:38] Speaker 1: is it?
[4:34:38] Speaker 17: What's his name going by?
[4:34:40] Speaker 32: God is love man?
[4:34:42] Speaker 4: And he's God.
[4:34:42] Speaker 32: If I can reach through the phone and punch his ass,
[4:34:44] Speaker 32: I would.
[4:34:45] Speaker 1: See, Yeah, he's spamming. I'm healed in Jesus' name. Actually,
[4:34:51] Speaker 1: you're not healed in Jesus name. What you are are
[4:34:55] Speaker 1: muted for the remainder of the live.
[4:34:58] Speaker 13: I mean, I swear.
[4:34:59] Speaker 32: I think I've seen him going on other lives like
[4:35:02] Speaker 32: yours and just doing the same crap.
[4:35:04] Speaker 9: Man.
[4:35:04] Speaker 32: It's like, oh my god, I'm sitting here listening to
[4:35:07] Speaker 32: you and I'm really enjoying it. But I'm reading this
[4:35:09] Speaker 32: guy and that's my fucking god. Where are the mods
[4:35:12] Speaker 32: to mute him? Because I know I'm not the only
[4:35:14] Speaker 32: world getting annoyed with this bro, So I had to
[4:35:16] Speaker 32: jump up here and that, you know.
[4:35:18] Speaker 1: Stamming for Jesus they I don't know why this ain't
[4:35:20] Speaker 1: that's effective.
[4:35:22] Speaker 17: It makes me hate.
[4:35:23] Speaker 32: Oh my god, man, please keep ripping it to these
[4:35:26] Speaker 32: Christian assholes.
[4:35:27] Speaker 3: Man, We're gonna do it.
[4:35:28] Speaker 2: Bird.
[4:35:29] Speaker 1: Absolutely, the bird is the word.
[4:35:31] Speaker 4: I'm with you.
[4:35:33] Speaker 32: It is the word, homeboy, take it easy.
[4:35:34] Speaker 1: Thanks, I appreciate that. Thanks for letting me know. Yeah, guys, listen,
[4:35:38] Speaker 1: you know I've been I do long live streams. Sometimes
[4:35:41] Speaker 1: I get, you know, some mods in here, but by
[4:35:43] Speaker 1: the end of the live stream the mods are all
[4:35:46] Speaker 1: you know, they got lives too, Guys, can you imagine
[4:35:49] Speaker 1: being a moderator for my lives? Be crazy?
[4:35:55] Speaker 6: Uh?
[4:35:56] Speaker 1: So long. I don't know why I do it, but
[4:35:59] Speaker 1: I am going to I'm going to bed at eleven
[4:36:01] Speaker 1: tonight rather than twelve, because I really I got a
[4:36:04] Speaker 1: busy week this week and next week I can't go
[4:36:06] Speaker 1: to midnight. I got a lot going on at work
[4:36:09] Speaker 1: on a project that's imminently due. So I got them
[4:36:13] Speaker 1: actually get a little bit of sleep.
[4:36:15] Speaker 25: It is what it is, you know.
[4:36:16] Speaker 1: Sometimes life gets in the way of being online. It's tragic,
[4:36:20] Speaker 1: but it is what it is. But anyways, let's grab
[4:36:23] Speaker 1: another guest here. I like this name. This is a
[4:36:28] Speaker 1: good name. Benny in one jet. Well, come in, Benny.
[4:36:38] Speaker 1: Are you at least eighteen? And are you a Christian?
[4:36:42] Speaker 9: I am not a Christian and I'm thirty eight.
[4:36:45] Speaker 1: Well, big fucking w for not being a Christian. I
[4:36:48] Speaker 1: appreciate that, but I do have to well, congratulations for
[4:36:54] Speaker 1: deconstructing a religion that touches little children. Definitely definitely with
[4:36:58] Speaker 1: you in that one. Yeah, all kinds of weird stuff.
[4:37:01] Speaker 1: But here's the thing, though, they do eat bacon, and
[4:37:04] Speaker 1: they got awesome hats, so.
[4:37:07] Speaker 9: Big hats. Yeah, big hats. We're a big fan of those.
[4:37:10] Speaker 1: They had to cool, I got it, and the big
[4:37:12] Speaker 1: crooked the crooked staff that the staff.
[4:37:14] Speaker 9: Is cool, incense and you know, all sorts of weird,
[4:37:19] Speaker 9: weird archaic things.
[4:37:21] Speaker 1: Actually, that reminds me that I'm ordering. Sorry to talk
[4:37:24] Speaker 1: over you there, I'm actually ordering a Catholic incense burner.
[4:37:28] Speaker 1: I can't tell you why. It's on the way. It's
[4:37:31] Speaker 1: gonna be awesome.
[4:37:32] Speaker 9: Yeah, I'm excited.
[4:37:34] Speaker 29: I I you know, I've enjoyed the discourse you've had,
[4:37:38] Speaker 29: and I appreciate being allowed in I I and I
[4:37:43] Speaker 29: guess I'm a contrarian for for most parts of this,
[4:37:47] Speaker 29: and I try to live life objectively through all these things.
[4:37:53] Speaker 29: Stockholm syndrome is kind of like a hostage situation.
[4:37:57] Speaker 1: No, hm, well, we are all hostage is here on
[4:38:00] Speaker 1: the earth. If if God created us and put us
[4:38:02] Speaker 1: here on the earth with tornadoes and natural disasters and
[4:38:06] Speaker 1: diseases and parasites that you know, crawl up your euretha urethra,
[4:38:11] Speaker 1: then yeah, we're all experiencing Stockholm syndrome.
[4:38:16] Speaker 9: Yeah, but I mean, like you suppose that.
[4:38:19] Speaker 29: God is real and God isn't real, well degree Yeah,
[4:38:25] Speaker 29: to anyone's degree. And again this is for the sake
[4:38:29] Speaker 29: of objectivity. Here, if if someone follows any kind of deity,
[4:38:38] Speaker 29: if you will, right.
[4:38:41] Speaker 13: Like that, that to me.
[4:38:44] Speaker 29: Doesn't seem like a hostage situation, right like, I think
[4:38:49] Speaker 29: it's it is not necessarily a matter of.
[4:38:54] Speaker 9: You're put or taken into a position.
[4:38:57] Speaker 1: I think it's I guess I don't know what now,
[4:39:00] Speaker 1: you're an atheist.
[4:39:01] Speaker 29: Right, I don't even know necessarily what I am. Well,
[4:39:06] Speaker 29: you're not a Christian, it's ambiguous.
[4:39:08] Speaker 1: Ben appreciate coming up, But we're looking to doctor Christian's.
[4:39:11] Speaker 9: Okay, yeah, okay, yeah, let's understandable.
[4:39:15] Speaker 1: All right, cheers, But w for not being one, big
[4:39:18] Speaker 1: w for not being one of those guys. Also mcgenna
[4:39:22] Speaker 1: Jack has the answer. It says, fun fact the soul
[4:39:26] Speaker 1: leaves through the uretha rith. But knowing what we know
[4:39:31] Speaker 1: about this god, obviously he would pick the most painful method,
[4:39:35] Speaker 1: right that that does check out. Actually, actually, I was
[4:39:40] Speaker 1: reading an article about a guy that had a separate orifice.
[4:39:43] Speaker 1: He can actually smoke through like part of his eyeball.
[4:39:47] Speaker 1: Apparently there's like if you go in like through your
[4:39:50] Speaker 1: eyeball here, you can actually get into the sinus cavity.
[4:39:52] Speaker 1: It's pretty crazy, but welcome in moth Mouth. You're muted
[4:40:02] Speaker 1: right now, did you?
[4:40:02] Speaker 17: Hey?
[4:40:03] Speaker 24: Sorry, I know you're going to talk to my bad.
[4:40:05] Speaker 28: I'm sorry if I'm lagging really really bad right now.
[4:40:08] Speaker 28: All I want to say, because there's a lot of
[4:40:10] Speaker 28: Christians in the chat right now, I'm over eighteen and
[4:40:12] Speaker 28: I'm not a Christian.
[4:40:13] Speaker 24: I need you with an open.
[4:40:16] Speaker 6: Mind to look up the Epicurean paradox.
[4:40:20] Speaker 9: Please.
[4:40:21] Speaker 6: It is the basis for all of these conversations.
[4:40:25] Speaker 4: It just please go look at that.
[4:40:28] Speaker 28: I'm not gonna go through it because i know you're
[4:40:29] Speaker 28: trying to go to the next guest, but I'm begging y'all.
[4:40:33] Speaker 28: If you want anyone to listen to your religion, I
[4:40:37] Speaker 28: need you to open up your mind and go look
[4:40:41] Speaker 28: at the Epicurean paradox because your God cannot be all good,
[4:40:49] Speaker 28: all knowing, and all powerful at the same time.
[4:40:53] Speaker 6: And I'm not gonna waste any more of your time.
[4:40:55] Speaker 25: So thank you very much.
[4:40:56] Speaker 1: W I appreciate that, And yeah, the Epicurean paradox is
[4:40:59] Speaker 1: pretty well for but thanks for coming through. It's good
[4:41:01] Speaker 1: to hear from me.
[4:41:01] Speaker 9: Absolutely, have a good night.
[4:41:03] Speaker 4: Brother.
[4:41:04] Speaker 1: Yeah, the Epicurean paradox is basically what she's saying. You know,
[4:41:07] Speaker 1: the the the God purports to be all good, all knowing,
[4:41:12] Speaker 1: and all powerful, but then allows unnecessary evil. And the
[4:41:16] Speaker 1: only solution to the Epicurean paradox is to somehow claim
[4:41:21] Speaker 1: that the suffering was necessary. That's that's the only way
[4:41:24] Speaker 1: out of the Epicurean. But then you you commit yourself
[4:41:27] Speaker 1: to a bunch of like crazy ideas trying to justify
[4:41:32] Speaker 1: all the horrors and figure out why all these horrors
[4:41:36] Speaker 1: were necessary. It just it creates a really fun dialogue.
[4:41:40] Speaker 1: Maybe we'll do the Epicurean paradox for a live one day.
[4:41:43] Speaker 1: But it basically is like she said, it's kind of
[4:41:45] Speaker 1: the basis for the problem of evil. That's you know,
[4:41:49] Speaker 1: that's if you if you went back to philosophy, you
[4:41:52] Speaker 1: would probably trace all the way back to the Epicurean paradox.
[4:41:55] Speaker 1: Or trying to get NA in here. I assume na
[4:41:58] Speaker 1: means not applicable, but right now it must be not
[4:42:00] Speaker 1: available because they can't connect. They got some of that
[4:42:03] Speaker 1: holy spirit wi Fi. They're coming as heart as Jesus,
[4:42:07] Speaker 1: which is not at all give him a second to
[4:42:15] Speaker 1: see if they get with it.
[4:42:24] Speaker 3: Not so much.
[4:42:24] Speaker 1: Okay, well we'll move on to the next good to
[4:42:29] Speaker 1: see is ziders. The life's been a really interesting one tonight.
[4:42:35] Speaker 1: I don't know what to make of it. We've had
[4:42:37] Speaker 1: some good guests, some bad guess, some boring guests, a
[4:42:42] Speaker 1: whole mix of stuff. We've got some fake guests waiting
[4:42:44] Speaker 1: to get in, like Yananka Janako. He's not even he's
[4:42:49] Speaker 1: a aatrol. I would we'll take our next guest. Is
[4:42:55] Speaker 1: it Cravis? Yes, sir, welcome in, Cravis. Are you at
[4:42:59] Speaker 1: least eighteen and are you a believer?
[4:43:01] Speaker 4: Yes?
[4:43:02] Speaker 13: I can prove that Christianity is true.
[4:43:05] Speaker 1: Well, we're talking right now about whether or not Christianity
[4:43:07] Speaker 1: is Stockholm syndrome. You definitely can't prove that Christianity is true.
[4:43:12] Speaker 1: But we'll be doing that another night. You're welcome to
[4:43:14] Speaker 1: come back on that night. So my question is, why
[4:43:18] Speaker 1: is God sending people to hell for disbelief?
[4:43:22] Speaker 3: Why not?
[4:43:24] Speaker 1: Why not?
[4:43:25] Speaker 17: Oh?
[4:43:25] Speaker 1: If if I decided I was gonna punch your sister
[4:43:28] Speaker 1: because she said the wrong thing to me, and you said,
[4:43:30] Speaker 1: why do you punch my cistern? Or I said why not?
[4:43:32] Speaker 1: Would that be an acceptable answer. It depends this guy
[4:43:37] Speaker 1: can't be real. What if I fuck your rest Let's
[4:43:40] Speaker 1: say I knew he was a troll. I knew he
[4:43:43] Speaker 1: was a troll. Get out of here, child. Thank you
[4:43:48] Speaker 1: so much, Aaron Leads for gifting twenty Deconstruction Zone memberships.
[4:43:52] Speaker 1: Thank you so so much, Aaron for your generous and
[4:43:55] Speaker 1: continued continued support. Those are people that can access the
[4:43:59] Speaker 1: Deconstruction Zone cheat sheet and guys, I added. It took
[4:44:03] Speaker 1: me over the weekend. I added like one hundred and
[4:44:05] Speaker 1: thirty references to Hell. There's a Hell tab now on
[4:44:09] Speaker 1: the Deconstruction Zone cheat sheet that's got like every mention
[4:44:13] Speaker 1: of Hell from from the Intertestamental period all the way
[4:44:18] Speaker 1: up until the time of Jesus. I've got the Dead
[4:44:21] Speaker 1: Sea Scrolls, I've got the Talmud, I've got the Apocrypha,
[4:44:25] Speaker 1: I've got the New Testament. I've got Joe cephas in there.
[4:44:29] Speaker 1: I've got quotations about Hell from literally every resource I
[4:44:32] Speaker 1: can find. Some Jewish pseudipographic texts, I haven't gone through everything.
[4:44:36] Speaker 1: I haven't gone through Filo yet, I haven't gone through
[4:44:41] Speaker 1: a couple of the Jewish studipographic texts. I haven't gone
[4:44:44] Speaker 1: through some of the New Testament apocryphal texts yet. I
[4:44:49] Speaker 1: haven't dug into the Church Fathers, but I'll be adding
[4:44:51] Speaker 1: those later. But there's literally like one hundred and thirty references,
[4:44:55] Speaker 1: one hundred and forty references on it right now. So
[4:44:58] Speaker 1: if you ever wanted to know, like when Jesus mentions
[4:45:02] Speaker 1: hell in the Bible, what the hell is he talking about?
[4:45:05] Speaker 1: You'll know. You'll know the context. The New Testament wasn't
[4:45:10] Speaker 1: written in a vacuum. Guys, when they talked about Gahenna,
[4:45:15] Speaker 1: when they talked about hades, we know what that means
[4:45:18] Speaker 1: because for hundreds of years prior they were telling us
[4:45:21] Speaker 1: what that means, and I've documented it. Aaron, thank you
[4:45:25] Speaker 1: so much for gifting those deconstriction to the membership. So
[4:45:28] Speaker 1: that's very kind of you, and Meg good to see
[4:45:30] Speaker 1: it tonight. Make says, so you're saying that God made
[4:45:34] Speaker 1: your soul into a giant kidney stone, that's kind of
[4:45:38] Speaker 1: what they're saying. That's basically what's happened. Yeah, God is
[4:45:41] Speaker 1: the god of kidney stones, and he does it, and
[4:45:45] Speaker 1: it myths that he does it. In Exus chapter four,
[4:45:48] Speaker 1: verse eleven, right, let me double check it. In Exes
[4:45:51] Speaker 1: four eleven. God makes a really interesting admission, which is
[4:45:55] Speaker 1: simply that he's the one that makes people with disabilities.
[4:46:00] Speaker 1: Lord said to him, who gives speech to mortals? Who
[4:46:02] Speaker 1: makes them mute or death seeing or blind? Is it
[4:46:06] Speaker 1: not I the Lord?
[4:46:08] Speaker 3: Oops?
[4:46:10] Speaker 1: I'm supposed to say that out loud? Yeah, wah, could
[4:46:15] Speaker 1: you imagine? All right, we'll grab one. We're uh one
[4:46:19] Speaker 1: more guests in here. Jesse, welcome in Jesse, not so much, No,
[4:46:38] Speaker 1: Hola almost a got nothing from Jesse. Sorry, Jesse was
[4:46:44] Speaker 1: waiting there for a while, but I guess he couldn't
[4:46:46] Speaker 1: find his way in. All right, we'll try something from TikTok.
[4:46:51] Speaker 1: We'll get Roger in here. Yeah, Jmr. You're right, Jmr.
[4:46:56] Speaker 1: So Christianity is the ultimate trauma bond and hoping is
[4:47:01] Speaker 1: not the cure. No, we need to start a Stockholm
[4:47:07] Speaker 1: syndrome recovery clinic for Christians recovering from this toxic religion,
[4:47:14] Speaker 1: toxic God. We got doctor Joe. At least doctor does amazing.
[4:47:19] Speaker 1: She'll she'll help out.
[4:47:22] Speaker 6: All.
[4:47:23] Speaker 1: Roger can't connect, guys. The Holy Spirit is weak tonight.
[4:47:26] Speaker 1: The Holy Spirit is not letting people connect. Roger that
[4:47:33] Speaker 1: is his name, But he couldn't Roger that he had
[4:47:35] Speaker 1: no connection. All right, guys, Like it's late, it's like
[4:47:41] Speaker 1: ten to eleven. I'm just gonna call it. We're not
[4:47:43] Speaker 1: gonna get another guest, and I don't know if we're
[4:47:45] Speaker 1: gonna be able to have a ten minute conversation with
[4:47:47] Speaker 1: our next guest. You know, our conversations go like twenty
[4:47:49] Speaker 1: thirty forty minutes. Claire, You're right, though, Claire says deconstructing
[4:47:54] Speaker 1: comes with PTSD in all serious and stuff. It really does.
[4:47:57] Speaker 1: For me, it was traumatic. Like you get over it
[4:47:59] Speaker 1: event you know what I mean, Like you you come
[4:48:02] Speaker 1: to grips with your new reality eventually. But it was
[4:48:05] Speaker 1: very traumatic for me to like take everything that I
[4:48:07] Speaker 1: believed and have to you know, take it apart and
[4:48:14] Speaker 1: you know, throw it away. And some of those things
[4:48:16] Speaker 1: were really helpful to me as a young person, Like
[4:48:18] Speaker 1: thinking I'd see like my dead loved once again. You know,
[4:48:21] Speaker 1: that was very comforting for me, and it was very
[4:48:25] Speaker 1: it was very difficult for me to move to a
[4:48:28] Speaker 1: new position where I was like I won't see them again,
[4:48:30] Speaker 1: and this life is the only life we have. It's
[4:48:33] Speaker 1: after this, it's lights out, guys. You got to make
[4:48:36] Speaker 1: the most of the life that we have here. You're
[4:48:39] Speaker 1: not going to get a second showing. You're not going
[4:48:41] Speaker 1: to get another run through. This isn't practice for another life.
[4:48:47] Speaker 1: This is this is life, and you know you got
[4:48:50] Speaker 1: to live it. No one's going to live it for you.
[4:48:52] Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Have fun, drink the wine,
[4:48:56] Speaker 1: have some dessert, you know, do do the things that
[4:48:59] Speaker 1: you enjoy, don't. I don't overdo everything, but guys, this
[4:49:03] Speaker 1: is it.
[4:49:03] Speaker 2: This is all we get.
[4:49:04] Speaker 1: So let's who's online right now that we can go
[4:49:07] Speaker 1: raid guys. Let me see, I'm trying to see who's
[4:49:13] Speaker 1: live right now on TikTok. One second. Oh shit, Sarah's
[4:49:21] Speaker 1: live right now. Guys. Usually she's already done. Usually she's
[4:49:27] Speaker 1: already done when I'm ending, guys, we're gonna go raid
[4:49:31] Speaker 1: Sarah right now while she's live. Okay, here's her channel
[4:49:34] Speaker 1: right now. It's leaving Faith. It's at Leaving Faith right
[4:49:38] Speaker 1: now on TikTok. I need I think how many people
[4:49:41] Speaker 1: are in the live right now? I see seventy three
[4:49:43] Speaker 1: people in the live guys. We got to get that
[4:49:46] Speaker 1: number up. We got to get her at least up
[4:49:49] Speaker 1: over one hundred and fifty. Let's go and get in
[4:49:52] Speaker 1: this live stream. Let's crank it up. Let's get crunk
[4:49:57] Speaker 1: for I say crunk for a Christ, but don't do
[4:50:00] Speaker 1: that anymore. Let's bump this up. Guys. We're at eighty.
[4:50:05] Speaker 1: We got to get this thing up. Over over, over,
[4:50:08] Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty real fast. Leaving Faith is an
[4:50:10] Speaker 1: awesome creator, and she is starting to stream on YouTube
[4:50:13] Speaker 1: as well. If you do at Leaving Faith on YouTube,
[4:50:16] Speaker 1: then you'll you'll find you'll find Sarah's channel on YouTube. Actually,
[4:50:21] Speaker 1: her and I recently just started a bi weekly exvangelical
[4:50:26] Speaker 1: Bible study, so definitely tune in for that. But guys,
[4:50:30] Speaker 1: let's pump up those numbers. Let's go give her a raid.
[4:50:33] Speaker 1: I'll be over there in just a minute. Say hi
[4:50:35] Speaker 1: as well, and big w for a Ruby. Getting all
[4:50:40] Speaker 1: the pets W Ruby. Ruby's awesome. There's a reason why
[4:50:44] Speaker 1: they call them great Pyrenees because they're great dogs. Guys,
[4:50:47] Speaker 1: we're at one hundred and thirty five, but we are
[4:50:49] Speaker 1: not at one hundred and fifty. We got to get
[4:50:51] Speaker 1: these numbers up one hundred and forty three. Good, keep going,
[4:50:54] Speaker 1: Let's keep going. I want to see everybody over there.
[4:50:57] Speaker 1: We got like eight hundred people that were in this live.
[4:50:59] Speaker 1: I want to see this number get popping over on
[4:51:02] Speaker 1: Sarah's live stream. Let's go, let's go, let's go. I'll
[4:51:05] Speaker 1: see you over there, guys. Thank you so much for
[4:51:07] Speaker 1: all the likes and all the gifts, and Hannibal, I agree,
[4:51:10] Speaker 1: this is my therapy too. Thank you so much for
[4:51:13] Speaker 1: being with us, Hannibal, and thank you so much for
[4:51:16] Speaker 1: joining the Crack and Crew Elite Quinton, and also Alex,
[4:51:19] Speaker 1: thank you for the ten dollars super chat. Alex says,
[4:51:21] Speaker 1: if heaven is all that is promised to me, then
[4:51:24] Speaker 1: why don't I just pray for my death from Dawes.
[4:51:27] Speaker 1: I don't know who Dows is, but yeah, you think
[4:51:29] Speaker 1: if people really believe in heaven, they'd be more eager
[4:51:31] Speaker 1: to go there. But they don't really believe it. It's nonsense.
[4:51:34] Speaker 1: All right, guys, I'll see you over at Sarah's place.
[4:51:37] Speaker 1: Thank you for being here. We'll see you again on
[4:51:40] Speaker 1: Friday Wednesday, Friday night

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