# 2025-02-19 LIVE DEBATE \[Why Trust The Bible\]

An episode of [Deconstruction Zone](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1837730286), 4 Sep 2025, 5 h 01 min.

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## Transcript

[0:01] Speaker 1: All right, all right, all right, guys. We should have
[0:04] Speaker 1: everything ready to rock and roll here. We should be
[0:09] Speaker 1: live on TikTok. We should be live on YouTube. We
[0:14] Speaker 1: should be live on Facebook and Instagram. I think everything's rocking.
[0:20] Speaker 1: Thank you for being here, guys. I see a bunch
[0:22] Speaker 1: of people already in the house as we hit go.
[0:26] Speaker 1: Good to see a pickle rick, And it looks like
[0:29] Speaker 1: the TikTok cruise about the filtering as well. Let me
[0:33] Speaker 1: open up the guest box real quick on YouTube.
[0:39] Speaker 2: I forgot to do that.
[0:41] Speaker 1: I should I forgot to do that before we started.
[0:45] Speaker 2: Oops.
[0:45] Speaker 1: Give me one second to fix that up.
[0:55] Speaker 2: There we go.
[0:57] Speaker 1: I think should be working now. Let's see everything's set
[1:01] Speaker 1: ready to.
[1:01] Speaker 2: Rock and roll.
[1:02] Speaker 1: All right, The guest box is open now on YouTube.
[1:06] Speaker 1: Let me double chuck make sure it's open on TikTok.
[1:09] Speaker 1: You're right, Holy gore, we are back.
[1:11] Speaker 3: All right.
[1:12] Speaker 1: Guest box is open now. So we got that guy
[1:15] Speaker 1: ready to rock and roll. Let me put that on
[1:18] Speaker 1: the screen. The guest box on YouTube is open as well, Parker.
[1:22] Speaker 1: Thank you so much for the hat. I appreciate that.
[1:24] Speaker 1: I gotta make sure my audio output is set right too,
[1:27] Speaker 1: before I forget I think everything's good to go. Fantastic. Well,
[1:32] Speaker 1: welcome in guys. We're doing another round of why should
[1:38] Speaker 1: we trust the Bible? And Carrie, thank you so much
[1:40] Speaker 1: for the hat. I appreciate that and my conscience. Thank
[1:44] Speaker 1: you for the superchat big w it says good evening, everyone,
[1:49] Speaker 1: take care and be safe. Well, good evening to you,
[1:51] Speaker 1: my conscious, and thank you for the super chat. We're
[1:55] Speaker 1: just againting live stream started, so we should should be
[1:58] Speaker 1: having a good time here. Let me grab our first guest.
[2:05] Speaker 1: Welcome in ten. One second.
[2:09] Speaker 2: Ten.
[2:09] Speaker 1: Let me make sure right now you're muted. Ten, So
[2:13] Speaker 1: if you if you're talking, no one can hear you.
[2:14] Speaker 1: I haven't muted you. You've got your own microphone muted.
[2:22] Speaker 2: Ten?
[2:23] Speaker 1: Did you request by accident? T?
[2:28] Speaker 3: Hello?
[2:28] Speaker 4: Can you hear me?
[2:29] Speaker 2: I can hear you now.
[2:31] Speaker 5: Right now you're muted?
[2:33] Speaker 2: Uh?
[2:33] Speaker 6: Ten?
[2:34] Speaker 1: Do you have any headphones? Or can you turn your speakerphone.
[2:37] Speaker 2: Down a little bit? I? Can you hear me?
[2:39] Speaker 3: An now? Or now?
[2:40] Speaker 2: I can hear you?
[2:43] Speaker 7: Yeah?
[2:44] Speaker 5: You requested by accident?
[2:46] Speaker 1: I can also hear. I can hear myself talking back
[2:49] Speaker 1: at me through your your microphone, is what I'm saying.
[2:54] Speaker 2: Let me turn out.
[2:55] Speaker 7: Do you have any headphones?
[2:58] Speaker 3: All right, this is it better? Now there, Mornco, we'll see.
[3:01] Speaker 2: Let me check your second. No, the echo seems to
[3:04] Speaker 2: be gone.
[3:04] Speaker 4: Let's double check here on the audio on your side.
[3:08] Speaker 2: Okay, we must have turned it all the way off
[3:18] Speaker 2: any better? Can you hear me?
[3:26] Speaker 1: I think you've got a slow connection two T and
[3:28] Speaker 1: I don't think your connections up to speed.
[3:38] Speaker 3: Let me do this.
[3:40] Speaker 2: Well while you're figuring that out.
[3:42] Speaker 1: Dexter, thank you so much for the five Deconstruction Zone
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[3:47] Speaker 2: No, I still can't hear you, big w.
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[3:52] Speaker 1: And guys, if you are members of the Crack and
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[4:00] Speaker 1: so I certainly hope you make the most of that.
[4:01] Speaker 1: And I hope you make the most of that. And
[4:03] Speaker 1: Jake Cal thank you for the for the two. JAKEL says,
[4:09] Speaker 1: let's go, and I agree, Jake Cal. Let's go. All right,
[4:12] Speaker 1: this guest is having some audio issues. We'll give them
[4:14] Speaker 1: a second to sort it out. Let's see what happens here. Tnuh,
[4:20] Speaker 1: did you have any headphones or no?
[4:23] Speaker 7: Or no?
[4:24] Speaker 3: I tried to use headphones, but they didn't work.
[4:26] Speaker 2: That's weird. That's weird.
[4:33] Speaker 1: You can try plugging your headphones in, plugging your headphones.
[4:36] Speaker 2: Leaving the room and coming back in the room and
[4:38] Speaker 2: coming back in.
[4:40] Speaker 7: Let me do that.
[4:46] Speaker 1: Okay, well he's figuring that out. We'll get our first
[4:48] Speaker 1: guest up in here from TikTok Uh and Eric. Thank
[4:53] Speaker 1: you so much for the super chat, Big W says
[4:56] Speaker 1: all he'll Doug his Holy Concert Sharon and the Holy
[4:58] Speaker 1: Sun Rocky a a Doug. I agree with that. A metamorphosis,
[5:04] Speaker 1: big W on that. Thank you for the super cheer.
[5:06] Speaker 1: Good to see the tonight from all right, we've got
[5:09] Speaker 1: Naziano in the box.
[5:11] Speaker 2: How you doing, Nausiano?
[5:17] Speaker 5: Hello, no, no, no, I know you'll find alight watching
[5:22] Speaker 5: your videos.
[5:23] Speaker 4: You make me laugh.
[5:24] Speaker 5: Man, want maybe watch your videos.
[5:26] Speaker 1: Thank you so much for watching.
[5:27] Speaker 8: I appreciate that.
[5:29] Speaker 1: Yeah, your connections really slow. Nausiana.
[5:34] Speaker 7: Hey, you know what, I don't even want to say anything.
[5:38] Speaker 5: All right, well, I don't even let someone else speak.
[5:40] Speaker 2: I'd rather watch all right, cheers delays pointless.
[5:43] Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a little bit delayed. Cheers, Thanks for coming.
[5:48] Speaker 1: W for Naziano. Hannibal's mom, thank you for becoming a
[5:52] Speaker 1: nine month subscriber on TikTok, big w. If you're subscribed
[5:57] Speaker 1: to me on TikTok, there's a pinned video for all
[6:00] Speaker 1: subscribers that's got a link in it to the Deconstruction
[6:05] Speaker 1: Zone sheet. And since while we're waiting for our guest
[6:08] Speaker 1: on YouTube to come on back, now, it's a good
[6:10] Speaker 1: time to plug our discord.
[6:11] Speaker 2: Guys.
[6:11] Speaker 1: We blew past our two thousand member milestone on the
[6:15] Speaker 1: discord and we just keep on growing. We would love
[6:19] Speaker 1: for you to join our discord community. It's a great
[6:22] Speaker 1: place to meet other people that are deconstructing and having
[6:26] Speaker 1: these discussions and finding resources and finding community. I don't
[6:31] Speaker 1: run it. It's not my discord. It's just run by
[6:33] Speaker 1: the deconstruction community. So we'd love to see you there.
[6:37] Speaker 1: Ten didn't come back. I can only assume t couldn't
[6:41] Speaker 1: figure out his technology. If you're watching this on YouTube,
[6:46] Speaker 1: there is a link in the description of the video
[6:50] Speaker 1: for you to join the conversation. If you're watching this
[6:53] Speaker 1: on TikTok, you already know how to join. Just hit
[6:55] Speaker 1: that guest request button and you can get into the
[6:58] Speaker 1: conversation and maybe you can give me a reason why
[7:01] Speaker 1: we should trust the Bible. And Rainbow Wolf, thank you
[7:05] Speaker 1: so much for the five dollar superchat. Rainbow says, Hey Gates,
[7:09] Speaker 1: I heard you, like I'm young. Why hide that report
[7:14] Speaker 1: from everyone? To any chicks in love, just make sure
[7:17] Speaker 1: you hide your little sister from them. Yeah, Matt Gates
[7:21] Speaker 1: is a problem. But what are the odds that Donald
[7:26] Speaker 1: whatever trouble Matt Gates is actually in. What are the
[7:29] Speaker 1: odds that Trump pardons them? I think it's pretty damn high.
[7:34] Speaker 1: There's nothing that Matt Gates could do that Trump wouldn't
[7:38] Speaker 1: give them a pardon for as long as Trump thought
[7:40] Speaker 1: there was something in it for him. Concede all of
[7:43] Speaker 1: Ukraine to Europe or to Russia. Sure, why not? We
[7:46] Speaker 1: don't care about Ukraine, right, pardon my actual criminal criminals,
[7:53] Speaker 1: pedophiles go party with them on their island, flying their
[7:56] Speaker 1: private jets. Sure, yeah, why not. I will get our
[8:01] Speaker 1: next guest in here. It looks like a friendly, but.
[8:04] Speaker 2: We'll pull out, we'll pull them in.
[8:06] Speaker 1: Well, hold on, friendly, I can hear myself echoing in
[8:10] Speaker 1: your equipment really bad. Do you have any headphones that
[8:13] Speaker 1: you can plug in?
[8:15] Speaker 3: All? Right?
[8:15] Speaker 2: Hold on all right, did that better?
[8:30] Speaker 1: Maybe let's see what happened.
[8:31] Speaker 9: Maybe, let's see what happens.
[8:32] Speaker 1: Oh that going really bad?
[8:33] Speaker 9: Oh that going really bad.
[8:34] Speaker 10: Talk okay, quick question and I'll drop when Jesus says,
[8:38] Speaker 10: if you teach somebody the least of the laws, you'll
[8:40] Speaker 10: be in the least of the kingdom of heaven. Does
[8:43] Speaker 10: that mean they'll be in heaven, but they'll be considered
[8:45] Speaker 10: the least or the people in heaven will be looking
[8:49] Speaker 10: down at them. That's all I wanted. Thank you, love you.
[8:51] Speaker 2: Bye, thank you so much. Yeah.
[8:53] Speaker 1: So that's a good question. And it's come up before.
[8:56] Speaker 1: You're referring to Matthew chapter five, verses seventeen through nineteen,
[9:00] Speaker 1: but specifically verse nineteen. So let me put verse nineteen
[9:04] Speaker 1: on the screen here real quick, and we'll discuss.
[9:11] Speaker 2: There we go.
[9:13] Speaker 1: Got it on the screen, all right, says Do not
[9:16] Speaker 1: think that I've come to abolish the law or the prophets,
[9:21] Speaker 1: but to fulfill for truly, I tell you, until heaven
[9:23] Speaker 1: and Earth pass away, not one letter, not one stroke
[9:25] Speaker 1: of a letter, will pass away from the law until
[9:28] Speaker 1: all is accomplished. And this is the part that's relevant
[9:30] Speaker 1: to you. Says, Therefore, whoever breaks one of the least
[9:33] Speaker 1: of these commandments and teaches others to do the same,
[9:35] Speaker 1: we'll be called least in the Kingdom of heaven. But
[9:38] Speaker 1: whoever does them and teaches them will be called great
[9:40] Speaker 1: in the Kingdom of Heaven. And Jesus says elsewhere to
[9:43] Speaker 1: the disciples that they'll be ruling and reigning with them
[9:45] Speaker 1: over the twelve tribes of Israel when they're in heaven.
[9:48] Speaker 1: So the Jesus of the Bible definitely kind of has
[9:51] Speaker 1: this idea that there's some kind of a hierarchy in
[9:57] Speaker 1: heaven when they arrive there, but he doesn't really go
[10:01] Speaker 1: on to spell it out a whole lot. And we've
[10:04] Speaker 1: actually got a rabbi in the box with us that
[10:07] Speaker 1: might actually be able to provide a little bit of
[10:09] Speaker 1: background on what the Jewish conception of the afterlife is like,
[10:13] Speaker 1: because my understanding is it's not like what a lot
[10:16] Speaker 1: of Christians think. You're not like floating around in the
[10:19] Speaker 1: clouds with angel wings or anything like that.
[10:24] Speaker 7: That's great, I'm glad you asked, although not the reason
[10:26] Speaker 7: why I came up. But so I'll say, it depends
[10:29] Speaker 7: on which period of time you're talking about. That's like
[10:32] Speaker 7: the first question, it changes based on what's happening, and
[10:37] Speaker 7: certainly not clouds and angels and that sort of thing.
[10:40] Speaker 7: And in fact, I would say the conclusion is it's
[10:44] Speaker 7: really about this world. And by the way, that's pretty
[10:46] Speaker 7: consistent with Jesus' kind of mentality as well, like our
[10:51] Speaker 7: fatherhood and having that can come that will be done
[10:53] Speaker 7: on earth as it is in heaven. That's kind of
[10:55] Speaker 7: the main point there, and that the other piece that
[11:01] Speaker 7: I think is inherent in that text is also a priority,
[11:05] Speaker 7: is that it's about keeping the law, Like I don't
[11:07] Speaker 7: think Jesus is trying to abolish the law in any way,
[11:10] Speaker 7: shape or form, And I think that the understanding of
[11:13] Speaker 7: the afterlife resurrection is certainly a piece of it, which
[11:17] Speaker 7: is kind of weird like with our modern sensibilities. But
[11:22] Speaker 7: just anyway, that's I hope that answers some of what
[11:24] Speaker 7: you were asking about. Yeah, man, I'm appreciate that I
[11:27] Speaker 7: wasn't actually planning it. Yeah, do you mind if I
[11:30] Speaker 7: answer the background only because something happened today that I
[11:34] Speaker 7: think is funny and speaks to your background, and maybe
[11:39] Speaker 7: you might have some thoughts on it as well.
[11:41] Speaker 1: Yeah, i'd say, well, first Set Lee nineteen eighty six,
[11:44] Speaker 1: thank you for sending out five Subby's and Johnny Burrios,
[11:47] Speaker 1: thank you for the six hours over cash. A big
[11:50] Speaker 1: w Johnny Barrio. So I appreciate that. What's in your mind, Rabi?
[11:54] Speaker 1: I'm curious to hear the story now.
[11:57] Speaker 7: Sure, so somebody post it will. First of all, somebody
[12:00] Speaker 7: sent me a video that said it was a Christian
[12:04] Speaker 7: person talking about how if they're going to come up,
[12:07] Speaker 7: if Christians are going to come up on atheist lives,
[12:10] Speaker 7: presumably people from the deconstruction community, that they should have
[12:15] Speaker 7: read the Hebrew Bible first. Obviously they called it the
[12:18] Speaker 7: Old Testament, but that they should have read the Hebrew
[12:21] Speaker 7: Bible first because they're going to be confronted with questions
[12:25] Speaker 7: asking to explain, you know, some of the horrible things
[12:28] Speaker 7: that are written in the Hebrew Bible. And it was funny,
[12:32] Speaker 7: Like the reason I'm saying this is that the reason
[12:35] Speaker 7: that you should trust the book is because those are
[12:38] Speaker 7: the words that's written, like even like it's you have
[12:41] Speaker 7: to read this the service level first before you can
[12:44] Speaker 7: start getting into the allegory or the explanation or even
[12:48] Speaker 7: the mystical piece of it, like if whatever, if that's
[12:50] Speaker 7: what you need to do to you know, have a life.
[12:52] Speaker 7: But you like, primarily what's written is what's written, And
[12:57] Speaker 7: I said, yes, I encourage people to read this book
[13:00] Speaker 7: because not only will you realize that it has nothing
[13:05] Speaker 7: to do with you, but that it's also an appropriated
[13:08] Speaker 7: book as well, own for their own rhetorical devices. And essentially,
[13:15] Speaker 7: what my concluding statement is this person in my little
[13:17] Speaker 7: back and forth was that Christianity is picking and choosing
[13:23] Speaker 7: pieces from the Hebrew Bible and largely based on a
[13:27] Speaker 7: Jewish response to Roman Hellenism. And their conclusion was, well,
[13:32] Speaker 7: we'll just agree to disagree because I don't want to
[13:35] Speaker 7: comment on God's word. And it's like, like, please read
[13:40] Speaker 7: the book. Read it like you should trust it because
[13:43] Speaker 7: that's what it says. Like I'm not saying from a
[13:45] Speaker 7: religious standpoint, I'm saying you should trust the book because
[13:49] Speaker 7: that's what those people were. Those were their priorities at
[13:51] Speaker 7: that point in time, and you should trust that that's,
[13:55] Speaker 7: you know, that's what they were. Doctor decided that this
[13:58] Speaker 7: is the story in five eighty six or whatever, between
[14:00] Speaker 7: the Babbel and the next this is the story that
[14:03] Speaker 7: was decided upon and so like, you know, you want
[14:07] Speaker 7: to understand the historical context, great, but if you want
[14:09] Speaker 7: to read it from a Christian perspective, you have a
[14:12] Speaker 7: lot of explaining to do.
[14:13] Speaker 2: As it is.
[14:13] Speaker 1: Said right well from the Chushion perspective too, Like a
[14:19] Speaker 1: lot of them would suggest that they do in fact
[14:23] Speaker 1: trust the Old Testament. But the problem that you've pointed
[14:26] Speaker 1: out is that they've never really read the Heaprew Bible.
[14:29] Speaker 1: Like they started in Genesis and they fall off like
[14:31] Speaker 1: halfway through, and then they certainly aren't reading all of Exodus.
[14:36] Speaker 1: But they did watch Charleston Heston's Ten Commandments, so they
[14:39] Speaker 1: kind of think they know what's in there.
[14:41] Speaker 7: Well, that's from Mount Sinai, isn't it.
[14:43] Speaker 1: That's me C and I, well, you know it's been
[14:47] Speaker 1: a while since we did Charleston Heston a movie night
[14:50] Speaker 1: at my place. But maybe what to do that? Maybe
[14:53] Speaker 1: you can stream it. I think it's in the open domain.
[14:55] Speaker 1: I can stream it without getting taken down.
[14:57] Speaker 7: But did you go back to back ten commandments than
[15:01] Speaker 7: ben hur Obviously?
[15:02] Speaker 2: Why would why would you not.
[15:04] Speaker 7: Just to just sum it all up, you know, put
[15:06] Speaker 7: a bow on it.
[15:07] Speaker 2: That's right.
[15:08] Speaker 7: I'm Spardacus.
[15:12] Speaker 1: Rabbit you're welcome to hang up. I got a Christian
[15:14] Speaker 1: waiting to get in. I'm going to bring them up,
[15:17] Speaker 1: and I'll keep.
[15:18] Speaker 7: My mouth shut until I can't.
[15:21] Speaker 1: I totally totally understand. All right, Let me try to
[15:24] Speaker 1: get TN back in the guest box. I tried a
[15:27] Speaker 1: moment ago, and they're actually now they got rabbi with me.
[15:30] Speaker 1: Let me take someone from TikTok so the rabbi can
[15:32] Speaker 1: talk with them and k v K thank you for
[15:36] Speaker 1: the two dour supertest says Trump wanted to blackmail Gates
[15:39] Speaker 1: so bad but he quit. Actually, that's a very good point.
[15:41] Speaker 1: He would have blackmailed Gates, and I mean he would
[15:44] Speaker 1: have done anything he could. He would have humiliated Gates
[15:48] Speaker 1: the same way he did Ted Cruz and l a
[15:51] Speaker 1: silver server. Big w Thank you for the two dinety
[15:54] Speaker 1: nine super Thanks. I appreciate that. All right, Kira, how
[15:58] Speaker 1: you doing?
[16:01] Speaker 2: Karen? Karen?
[16:04] Speaker 1: How are you doing?
[16:05] Speaker 2: Karen? Are you with us?
[16:09] Speaker 11: Hello? Can you hear me?
[16:11] Speaker 2: I can hear you?
[16:15] Speaker 5: Oh?
[16:15] Speaker 12: Okay, Carrie?
[16:18] Speaker 1: Are you at least eighteen? And are you a believer?
[16:24] Speaker 13: Yes?
[16:25] Speaker 11: I am twenty one, awesome and I'm not a believer,
[16:31] Speaker 11: but I want to share something real quick.
[16:35] Speaker 3: Okay, if that's.
[16:36] Speaker 11: Possible, sure, I don't know.
[16:41] Speaker 7: Uh.
[16:41] Speaker 11: Today I had like this guest says, right here, there's
[16:48] Speaker 11: me and this other person.
[16:50] Speaker 7: Here if.
[16:53] Speaker 11: About the Bible, and that's how people try to justify it,
[16:58] Speaker 11: just this moment. For a couple of days, I had
[17:04] Speaker 11: this conversation in the comments with someone that is a Christian.
[17:09] Speaker 11: Someone in the comments simply asked me what I believe
[17:12] Speaker 11: in God?
[17:13] Speaker 14: If I believe in God, this kind of started to
[17:18] Speaker 14: get back and forth and back and forth and continue, and.
[17:28] Speaker 11: This discussion was about King King two Kings two. I'm
[17:36] Speaker 11: sorry the passage where it talks about those boys that
[17:43] Speaker 11: get killed by the bears.
[17:45] Speaker 1: Yeah, the Second Kings chapter two.
[17:48] Speaker 11: I'm not good with Bible pronunciations, so I'm sorry Bible names.
[17:55] Speaker 11: And they tried to justify it, and it's it makes
[18:01] Speaker 11: me I don't get it.
[18:05] Speaker 13: Do you.
[18:08] Speaker 14: Do you not read what it says? I mean, what
[18:12] Speaker 14: good reason do you have for killing those boys?
[18:20] Speaker 1: Well, I only they have a good reason for it.
[18:22] Speaker 1: But you know, one of the things that people do
[18:25] Speaker 1: that think that these are literal stories in history is
[18:28] Speaker 1: they have to make up excuses for why it was
[18:32] Speaker 1: an appropriate thing to do, and so you'll hear any
[18:35] Speaker 1: number of excuses. They'll say things like, well, the boys
[18:38] Speaker 1: had it coming, you know, because they were making fun
[18:41] Speaker 1: of a prophet, and a prophet has some sort of
[18:43] Speaker 1: a special status. Or they'll say something like, well, the
[18:47] Speaker 1: bears didn't actually kill all the kids, It just mauled
[18:50] Speaker 1: all of the kids. Or they'll say they actually weren't
[18:53] Speaker 1: little kids, they were actually like, you know, young adults,
[18:56] Speaker 1: which isn't true according to the text. So they'll make
[19:00] Speaker 1: up lots of excuses for why, for why it was okay,
[19:07] Speaker 1: rather than just being normal and reading the story and saying, well,
[19:11] Speaker 1: that's messed up.
[19:14] Speaker 7: Can I can I jump into one second only from
[19:18] Speaker 7: a only from a Hebrew standpoint? So what do they
[19:22] Speaker 7: call Elisha? In the text? They call him bald? Right,
[19:28] Speaker 7: bald in Hebrew is cora. They are calling him a usurper.
[19:35] Speaker 7: They were spending the fact that here they're saying that
[19:38] Speaker 7: he is overtaking Elijah, that he is like Corah overtaking Moses.
[19:45] Speaker 7: Elisha is overtaking Elijah because Elijah's just left in the
[19:50] Speaker 7: whorld window fire and now obviously sending she bears into
[19:57] Speaker 7: mall children is obviously no an acceptable thing, and obviously,
[20:02] Speaker 7: so the Talmud responds to this with a really funny
[20:05] Speaker 7: not a funny story, but a story where kids are
[20:09] Speaker 7: doing the same thing to Rabbi my ear and his
[20:13] Speaker 7: wife Bruria says, Rabbi my ear says, I pray to
[20:17] Speaker 7: God that these children are unalived. And Rabbi Burrier is
[20:21] Speaker 7: like or sorry. His wife is like, what is the
[20:24] Speaker 7: matter with you? You sicko? Like, how would you? First
[20:26] Speaker 7: of all, these are children? Second of all, like, this
[20:30] Speaker 7: is not a normal response. As you read in the scripture,
[20:34] Speaker 7: it is that you remove the poor action, not the
[20:37] Speaker 7: people themselves. And so the commentary, I guess from the Talmud,
[20:44] Speaker 7: you know, in the vastness of the Talmud, is that
[20:49] Speaker 7: this story is problematic. And so I think, I guess
[20:52] Speaker 7: what I'm trying to say is like people should question
[20:56] Speaker 7: these things. People should be able to feel comfortable saying
[20:59] Speaker 7: that or horrific things written.
[21:02] Speaker 1: That's all right, I'm with you on that one. But listen, Kira,
[21:07] Speaker 1: We've we've got some people I think, waiting to get
[21:09] Speaker 1: in and do some debates. But I appreciate you coming
[21:12] Speaker 1: up and talking with us.
[21:15] Speaker 14: Yeah, I think you also, I feel the need to
[21:18] Speaker 14: talk to someone that understands my point, someone like you,
[21:23] Speaker 14: someone that gets it.
[21:25] Speaker 11: Someone I don't know. It's the first time joining alive,
[21:29] Speaker 11: so I'm a little nervous again.
[21:30] Speaker 2: That's okay, that's normal.
[21:32] Speaker 11: Uh, someone that finally that gets where I'm coming from. Yes,
[21:38] Speaker 11: questioning those things why they're bad?
[21:41] Speaker 3: Right?
[21:41] Speaker 11: There is no good reason to why you should do this.
[21:45] Speaker 2: But there's no good reason.
[21:47] Speaker 1: Listen, Kiarra, join our discord. We've got quite a few
[21:50] Speaker 1: people on our discord that you can discuss a lot
[21:52] Speaker 1: of these topics with.
[21:55] Speaker 2: Offline. It's a it's a good place to be.
[22:00] Speaker 11: Maybe I will join. I had, but maybe I will join.
[22:05] Speaker 11: I still watch you on you tube, all right, and
[22:08] Speaker 11: thank you for everything that you do.
[22:10] Speaker 1: Well, thank you. I appreciate it. Cheers, all right, let's
[22:15] Speaker 1: get our next guest in here.
[22:17] Speaker 7: Eh, sorry for being boring. I apologize.
[22:21] Speaker 1: Bert, You're never boring. You're a friend of mine. Adam Brown,
[22:25] Speaker 1: thank you for the fin hour. Super Chest says a
[22:27] Speaker 1: new season of Iron Chef. But it's just in cooking
[22:30] Speaker 1: up bad apologetics, bone appetite, praise be the Doug. Yes,
[22:34] Speaker 1: I would be on that cooking show. I'd love to
[22:36] Speaker 1: hear Gordon ramsay, curse me out a few times.
[22:38] Speaker 2: I'd do that.
[22:40] Speaker 1: Space Lord, thank you for the fin hour super chest,
[22:42] Speaker 1: says Spartacus movie. I was such a Christian as a
[22:44] Speaker 1: kid that I assumed they crucified him because he was
[22:47] Speaker 1: a Christian. Oh boy, yeah, I get that. Listen when
[22:53] Speaker 1: you're when you're raised with like in Doctor Nation, it's
[22:58] Speaker 1: hard to not interpret everything through the lens of indoctrination.
[23:02] Speaker 1: So like when I was a kid, I really only
[23:04] Speaker 1: knew about baby Jesus. So I remember the very first
[23:07] Speaker 1: time I was I went to church. I was a
[23:08] Speaker 1: Catholic church.
[23:10] Speaker 2: I was real little, and.
[23:14] Speaker 1: I didn't know anything about adult Jesus. I didn't know
[23:16] Speaker 1: anything about the Bible, but I knew about baby Jesus
[23:18] Speaker 1: because baby Jesus is part of Christmas. And I remember
[23:21] Speaker 1: my first time in church, I was maybe six or
[23:24] Speaker 1: five years old. I heard a baby crying and I
[23:27] Speaker 1: couldn't see where the baby was. I didn't know where
[23:30] Speaker 1: the baby was, and I said, oh, mom, is that
[23:32] Speaker 1: baby Jesus. I just assumed Baby Jesus was in the church.
[23:39] Speaker 1: But that's you know, that's how indoctrination works. You know,
[23:43] Speaker 1: your brain is kind of prime to see things particular away.
[23:48] Speaker 1: Are we going to get the truth up up in
[23:51] Speaker 1: the gust box? How you doing the truth?
[23:54] Speaker 3: I'm not too bad man? How about yourself?
[23:56] Speaker 2: I'm doing good.
[23:57] Speaker 1: Thank you for asking, doctor Joe, Thank you for extending
[23:59] Speaker 1: your subscription, big w So the truth? Are you at
[24:03] Speaker 1: least eighteen? And are you a believer?
[24:10] Speaker 3: Yes? I'm twenty one. Yeah, believe?
[24:15] Speaker 1: All right, is there a chance you can get some
[24:16] Speaker 1: Wi Fi? Because your connection is really bad right now?
[24:24] Speaker 11: Yeah?
[24:24] Speaker 3: Yeah, I got you.
[24:25] Speaker 15: Sorry, I'm at work, that's why, right, No, No, I
[24:27] Speaker 15: get him. I'll get in a better spot for you.
[24:32] Speaker 15: So yeah, pretty much. I am at work, so I
[24:34] Speaker 15: wouldn't have like the most time. Okay, I guess. So
[24:39] Speaker 15: why should anyone trust this book? I think the first
[24:41] Speaker 15: thing that comes to my head is, so when has it?
[24:46] Speaker 3: When has it been proven unreliable? Yeah? We got to
[24:49] Speaker 3: ask that question, right.
[24:51] Speaker 1: Well, it's a good question. What do you think unreliable means?
[24:55] Speaker 15: Like, is there ever a time where, let's say, for
[24:59] Speaker 15: examp Semple, they're talking about a place that doesn't exist?
[25:04] Speaker 15: They are they talking about people that don't exist? Because
[25:07] Speaker 15: as far as we know, the people that are mentioned
[25:09] Speaker 15: in the Bible were real people.
[25:11] Speaker 1: Well, it's not true at all the people that are
[25:15] Speaker 1: mentioned in the Bible. We don't have evidence that some
[25:17] Speaker 1: of them exist, certainly, you know, figures like Adam and Eve,
[25:21] Speaker 1: the entire lineage. Like, for example, in the lineage in
[25:27] Speaker 1: Genesis chapter five, there's a really interesting situation with a
[25:32] Speaker 1: guy named Limec and his ancestors, and it literally says
[25:39] Speaker 1: like two ancestors after Limech that they're already smelting iron.
[25:47] Speaker 1: But Adam and Eve, according to the Bible, lived I
[25:50] Speaker 1: don't know, roughly around four thousand BCE, which means nobody's
[25:56] Speaker 1: smelting iron just a couple of generations after Adam and
[25:59] Speaker 1: Eve lived.
[26:03] Speaker 15: Right, Well, I think we could both agree that though
[26:08] Speaker 15: a lack of evidence does not equate to you know
[26:12] Speaker 15: something or like lack of existence, because something could have
[26:17] Speaker 15: existed that you can't necessarily prove doesn't mean it didn't exist.
[26:22] Speaker 3: I means you can't. It means you can't physically.
[26:24] Speaker 15: Be like, Okay, I don't have, for example, something to
[26:28] Speaker 15: exactly trace back to somebody because due to due.
[26:31] Speaker 3: To how long ago it has been.
[26:33] Speaker 2: Why is it that ancient people could not smelt iron.
[26:42] Speaker 3: I don't know. I wouldn't.
[26:42] Speaker 15: I wouldn't say that something I'm too like educated on
[26:45] Speaker 15: with what it like, you know, so I wouldn't really
[26:48] Speaker 15: give that an answer to that.
[26:49] Speaker 1: So the problem with smelting iron is you need incredibly
[26:52] Speaker 1: high heat, and they didn't have the technology during the
[26:57] Speaker 1: Bronze Age to smelt the iron. They didn't technology didn't exist.
[27:03] Speaker 1: So it wasn't until they were able to develop kilns
[27:07] Speaker 1: and things of that nature that could actually have a
[27:09] Speaker 1: much higher temperature that they started to actually smelt iron.
[27:14] Speaker 1: So what I'm saying is it's it's weird that at
[27:18] Speaker 1: the very beginning of the Geniesens narrative, we've already got
[27:21] Speaker 1: people smelting iron and they have no reason to know
[27:26] Speaker 1: how to do it, Like did God tell them how
[27:28] Speaker 1: to do it? They're only like a couple generations from
[27:30] Speaker 1: Adam who told them.
[27:34] Speaker 3: Right, But I wouldn't. I do think that you're asking
[27:40] Speaker 3: a good question.
[27:40] Speaker 15: But that isn't necessarily something that you that you discredit
[27:46] Speaker 15: or disregard from, because it could very well just be that.
[27:50] Speaker 3: Just something that we don't have.
[27:52] Speaker 15: A record for us, like, for example, we still don't
[27:54] Speaker 15: know how exactly they built the pyramids, right.
[27:57] Speaker 1: Oh, we definitely know how they built the pyramids. In fact,
[27:59] Speaker 1: when I was in seminary, that was like a long
[28:03] Speaker 1: running joke among professors that had backgrounds in Egyptology. They
[28:10] Speaker 1: would say, you know, outside of academia, nobody knows how
[28:14] Speaker 1: the pyramids were built. Inside of academia, everybody knows how
[28:17] Speaker 1: the pyramids were built. A g thank you for the
[28:19] Speaker 1: dragon crown, big w So, but.
[28:22] Speaker 15: Is that something that is that something that was just
[28:24] Speaker 15: mutually agreed upon that like they can because if I
[28:29] Speaker 15: was to say, okay, can you prove to me that
[28:32] Speaker 15: what you're saying is true, that that your way is
[28:36] Speaker 15: the way that they actually built the pyramids, Well.
[28:39] Speaker 1: We know that they were using these methods because they
[28:42] Speaker 1: literally drew pictures. Like we have the archaeological evidence showing
[28:47] Speaker 1: how it happened, and we have the pyramids. We can
[28:50] Speaker 1: compare the textual data with the remnants of the actual pyramids.
[28:58] Speaker 7: And by the way, popular egyptol just depend on the
[29:01] Speaker 7: mystery to make a dollar. I mean, the mystery is
[29:05] Speaker 7: the income.
[29:07] Speaker 15: Well, I think that the mystery of it was the
[29:11] Speaker 15: fact that that all of those rocks weighing at least
[29:14] Speaker 15: like you know, a ton to a few times.
[29:18] Speaker 7: That's the point.
[29:20] Speaker 15: Well stones, I don't know what exact term you would
[29:23] Speaker 15: use it, but they the place that they had to
[29:27] Speaker 15: have gotten all that from and then to be able
[29:30] Speaker 15: to take all that to the destination of where exactly
[29:33] Speaker 15: the pyramids were built. Given the lack of technology, you
[29:38] Speaker 15: know that they had. It's raises questions, right, I.
[29:42] Speaker 1: Don't think it raises any questions. Again, they they drew
[29:45] Speaker 1: inscriptions in stone. We have stone reliefs of them showing
[29:51] Speaker 1: us how they did it. In fact, let me let
[29:54] Speaker 1: me pull one of them up.
[29:57] Speaker 3: M h.
[29:58] Speaker 15: I mean, there definitely is the definitely is a few encryptions,
[30:02] Speaker 15: for sure. But does it tell the whole story? I
[30:05] Speaker 15: think there's I.
[30:07] Speaker 2: Think it does.
[30:07] Speaker 1: I think it does you quite a bit, all right,
[30:10] Speaker 1: let me open this image. It's kind of blurry, but
[30:16] Speaker 1: I think everyone can see it, all right. So this
[30:22] Speaker 1: is pyramid construction, and this is part of the transportation
[30:28] Speaker 1: of This is just one relief of the pyramid construction.
[30:31] Speaker 2: By the way, there's quite a few of these, it's
[30:33] Speaker 2: not the only one.
[30:34] Speaker 1: And they've got a bunch of people pulling ropes on
[30:38] Speaker 1: a sled with rollers under the sled, and in a
[30:42] Speaker 1: lot of the other reliefs it'll show the same thing,
[30:45] Speaker 1: but it will actually show them putting water under the
[30:48] Speaker 1: sled to keep the sand at a particular moisture level
[30:52] Speaker 1: so it's easier to slide across the sand. And they
[30:55] Speaker 1: had various items that would have been on top of
[30:58] Speaker 1: these carts, big stones, giant statues, different things like that.
[31:05] Speaker 1: And we know from the ancient texts too that they
[31:07] Speaker 1: were shipping these big old stones on ships and running
[31:11] Speaker 1: them down the river. And we've got we know where
[31:15] Speaker 1: some of the quarries were, like there are still partially
[31:18] Speaker 1: quarried stone inside of the old quarries, So like we've
[31:22] Speaker 1: actually got quite a bit of data for how the
[31:23] Speaker 1: pyramids were built. It's just that like normal people don't
[31:26] Speaker 1: know where to look for.
[31:27] Speaker 3: It normal people.
[31:30] Speaker 15: I don't know, man, I don't know if that's the
[31:31] Speaker 15: right terminology for sure, because even if we do have
[31:37] Speaker 15: some sort of like some pieces to the puzzle, there's
[31:41] Speaker 15: still a lot we definitely don't understand. And if you're
[31:45] Speaker 15: going to make the claimant say yes, we know for
[31:48] Speaker 15: a fact that this is how the pyramids were built,
[31:52] Speaker 15: I think that's just I think you're lying.
[31:54] Speaker 1: You know, I'm not lying. They drew us pictures. Like
[31:56] Speaker 1: if we drew you a picture on how to build
[31:58] Speaker 1: a porch, and then a thousand years later someone says, oh,
[32:02] Speaker 1: look they drew pictures and how they were building porches
[32:04] Speaker 1: in twenty twenty five. Would it be reasonable to say, oh,
[32:08] Speaker 1: they couldn't been building porches like that. You're lying to yourself.
[32:10] Speaker 1: They left us the data, my.
[32:12] Speaker 15: Friend, Well, for example, we don't know who drove drew
[32:17] Speaker 15: those images, correct.
[32:18] Speaker 1: I say, the Egyptian scribes. Do you think later people
[32:23] Speaker 1: came along and drew pictures in ancient Egyptian from the
[32:27] Speaker 1: time period in which they were being built.
[32:31] Speaker 3: No, but what I am acculating them they couldn't believe it.
[32:33] Speaker 7: Then that's the argument.
[32:35] Speaker 15: No, no, no, What I'm saying is the Pharaoh could
[32:37] Speaker 15: have could have easily have been told anybody to draw
[32:41] Speaker 15: whatever it is that he pleased.
[32:43] Speaker 1: Why would he do it?
[32:46] Speaker 15: I mean, hey, there, these are just possibilities. No, we
[32:48] Speaker 15: can't just limit ourselves.
[32:50] Speaker 1: But your conspiracy theory lacks motivation. That's one of the
[32:53] Speaker 1: things that make conspiracy theories worthwhile, is there's a compelling motivation.
[32:57] Speaker 1: You have none there's no motivation for the pharaoh to
[33:00] Speaker 1: inscribe on permanent stone forever his face and how they
[33:06] Speaker 1: were building the pyramids just to be alive, because.
[33:10] Speaker 15: What if he was using, for example, putting people against
[33:14] Speaker 15: their will to do it?
[33:20] Speaker 1: What are you probably slavery in Egypt? He's not, he's
[33:23] Speaker 1: not ashamed of there being slavery.
[33:25] Speaker 15: But would you and even just looking at it like that,
[33:29] Speaker 15: you know, the pharaoh of Egypt, somebody who we can
[33:32] Speaker 15: we can probably assume somebody with that much amount of power,
[33:35] Speaker 15: you know, and money and influence that it probably would
[33:42] Speaker 15: get to his head at least in some type of way.
[33:45] Speaker 15: And so do you think that he would want to
[33:48] Speaker 15: just show anybody else that would want to come and
[33:52] Speaker 15: he can they like?
[33:52] Speaker 3: There you go that there's the answer right there. I
[33:54] Speaker 3: don't think you would. I don't think that.
[33:57] Speaker 1: I don't think he made a coaching statement yet. Can
[33:59] Speaker 1: you try that again?
[34:01] Speaker 15: So would you think somebody at that status right who
[34:06] Speaker 15: has all that power, would you think he would want
[34:10] Speaker 15: everybody to know how he did it, especially if how
[34:12] Speaker 15: he did it wasn't exactly morally correct.
[34:15] Speaker 1: Yeah, they bragged about it, and first of all, it
[34:18] Speaker 1: was morally correct, there's no problem with slavery in the
[34:20] Speaker 1: ancient world, not even in the Bible. The Bible endorses slavery.
[34:24] Speaker 7: He and everybody around him believed he was a god.
[34:27] Speaker 1: Yeah, he could do whatever he wants to. So are
[34:32] Speaker 1: you suggesting that slavery is immoral?
[34:35] Speaker 3: Oh? Correct?
[34:36] Speaker 2: Why?
[34:39] Speaker 3: Well, I mean God condemned it.
[34:43] Speaker 1: Right, no, and he endorsed it. Have you read the book?
[34:48] Speaker 3: I certainly have.
[34:50] Speaker 2: I don't think.
[34:52] Speaker 7: God condemned slavery against.
[34:53] Speaker 15: Israel, right, No, not just not just Israel, buddy. When
[34:59] Speaker 15: the the word slave can also be used as and
[35:05] Speaker 15: was being used as the term servant, because.
[35:07] Speaker 1: What's the difference between a servant and the slave.
[35:11] Speaker 3: As a servant he's working in you know, in return
[35:15] Speaker 3: for in return for money, that's living.
[35:18] Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a word for that in Hebrew. It's so shakir.
[35:23] Speaker 1: That's not the word we have. The word servant as
[35:27] Speaker 1: you're using, it means somebody who's more of an indentured servant,
[35:31] Speaker 1: someone who serves somebody for a period of time, but
[35:34] Speaker 1: it also refers to an actual slave. The Hebrew word
[35:37] Speaker 1: evid is a little bit elastic. Elastic now we know
[35:40] Speaker 1: that it's talking about a slave in some occasions because
[35:43] Speaker 1: it talks about the slave being the owner's property, being
[35:46] Speaker 1: a property for life, having children, and those children being
[35:50] Speaker 1: born into slavery. This is actual slavery. So I'll read
[35:55] Speaker 1: you the passage that I know you're probably don't believe me.
[35:58] Speaker 1: It says, as your mail female slaves you may have.
[36:01] Speaker 1: It is from the nations around you that you may
[36:03] Speaker 1: acquire male and female slaves. You may also acquire them
[36:07] Speaker 1: from among the aliens residing with you, and from their
[36:09] Speaker 1: families who are with you, who have been born in
[36:11] Speaker 1: your land. They may be your property. You may keep
[36:14] Speaker 1: them as a possession for your children after you, for
[36:17] Speaker 1: them to inherit as property. So God says you can
[36:21] Speaker 1: own slaves.
[36:24] Speaker 15: Suggestion, Yeah, I would definitely agree you could own servant
[36:28] Speaker 15: because because that that was the the just the way
[36:33] Speaker 15: you would serve somebody back then is the typical nine
[36:36] Speaker 15: to five today.
[36:37] Speaker 1: That's not true at all.
[36:39] Speaker 2: What are you saying, Burt Well?
[36:42] Speaker 7: So, I heard you having this slavery conversation the other day,
[36:46] Speaker 7: and it influenced me to make a semantic range type
[36:51] Speaker 7: chart of versus that demonstrate the various principles of how
[36:55] Speaker 7: these these words work. And I think like to me
[36:59] Speaker 7: the most interesting, and you're you're already kind of hinting
[37:02] Speaker 7: at this the flexibility of the word, or at least
[37:05] Speaker 7: the noun vode or to work, which also means worship,
[37:10] Speaker 7: which also means slavery. And I think that like this
[37:14] Speaker 7: arc of work, worship slavery is inherently about relationships. It's
[37:20] Speaker 7: about the relative relationship to whoever is expecting the iron
[37:28] Speaker 7: vet dollard, meaning the shortsh of the word. And so
[37:32] Speaker 7: if I think this is hyper examined, let me know,
[37:37] Speaker 7: just cut me off. And I'm being too boying or
[37:39] Speaker 7: too intellectual or whatever. This is hyper examined. When Moses
[37:44] Speaker 7: is saying let my people go, everybody forgets the second
[37:47] Speaker 7: half of that statement, which is, let my people go
[37:49] Speaker 7: so that they might be Abadim lee like Abadim toward
[37:53] Speaker 7: me in the wilderness, which is to say, stop being
[37:59] Speaker 7: Avadim for Pharaoh and go and be Abadin for I.
[38:03] Speaker 7: Don't I in the wilderness. Right, And we can talk
[38:06] Speaker 7: about all the historical context for what that's really talking about,
[38:10] Speaker 7: but the point is the semantic range and understanding. Look,
[38:14] Speaker 7: Bob Dylan said it best. It might be the Lord,
[38:16] Speaker 7: and it might be the devil, but sooner or later
[38:18] Speaker 7: you're gonna have to sieves.
[38:20] Speaker 3: And that he.
[38:23] Speaker 1: Big w for Bob Dylan references by the way, and
[38:26] Speaker 1: Christina Carroll thank you for the hat, and so truth.
[38:30] Speaker 1: What we're suggesting here is that the word evid in Hebrew.
[38:37] Speaker 2: Is elastic.
[38:38] Speaker 1: It could mean a servant, but it could also mean
[38:41] Speaker 1: a slave. And the way that you know that it's
[38:43] Speaker 1: talking about a slave is because of the context of
[38:46] Speaker 1: the passage. For example, a servant typically could go free
[38:50] Speaker 1: in the seventh year. A slave could not a slave
[38:53] Speaker 1: with somebody's property. That's what we read in the Book
[38:56] Speaker 1: of la Vegas. It says that they will be your property.
[39:00] Speaker 1: That's a slave. God says, this is the relationship that
[39:04] Speaker 1: this human being will have to you. They will be
[39:06] Speaker 1: your property for life.
[39:09] Speaker 15: So, because if you were going to say, there's things
[39:13] Speaker 15: that obviously wouldn't go together using that logic, because if
[39:18] Speaker 15: he was, if that's the message he was truly trying
[39:22] Speaker 15: to preach, then why why on the other hand you
[39:25] Speaker 15: have him preaching turn You know, if somebody you know
[39:30] Speaker 15: slaps you on the right.
[39:31] Speaker 3: Cheek, you turn their cheek to that. It's very contradictory.
[39:34] Speaker 3: You can't just say you're able to do this.
[39:37] Speaker 2: Contradictory at all?
[39:39] Speaker 1: How is it not because your slave isn't slapping you
[39:42] Speaker 1: on the face. They're completely different commands. They're irrelevant.
[39:47] Speaker 15: No, I think you can't. You can't be somebody who's
[39:51] Speaker 15: preaching all love and humility and promote that you can.
[39:57] Speaker 1: Because the same book in Leviticus nineteen eight team that
[40:00] Speaker 1: says love your neighbor as yourself also says you can
[40:03] Speaker 1: own slaves. So I agree, Yeah, slavery is uncomfortable, and
[40:08] Speaker 1: it sounds today like it would be incongruent with like
[40:12] Speaker 1: the moral nature of God, but it's not. It's not incongruen.
[40:18] Speaker 7: For a wrench. Sure, love your neighbor as yourself is
[40:22] Speaker 7: a krummy translation of I love the person that love
[40:26] Speaker 7: the love the person at the same social strata as
[40:30] Speaker 7: yourself is a much better translation.
[40:33] Speaker 1: But my understanding of the Hebrew definition for raya is
[40:38] Speaker 1: that it's it's like somebody that is near and close
[40:42] Speaker 1: to you, not necessarily just like in physical proximity, but
[40:46] Speaker 1: like in relationship.
[40:50] Speaker 7: Exactly like David would not call it your ayah, but
[40:54] Speaker 7: he would call it Jonathan.
[40:56] Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, so truth do you stand the argument that's
[41:00] Speaker 1: being made though the text clearly says that you can
[41:05] Speaker 1: own slaves, they will be your property forever. That's just
[41:10] Speaker 1: the definition of slavery.
[41:15] Speaker 15: No, I think, well, I see at least the argument
[41:19] Speaker 15: that you're making.
[41:19] Speaker 3: I see that. I'm not I'm not saying I don't.
[41:23] Speaker 1: But did the text say it?
[41:27] Speaker 3: The text?
[41:28] Speaker 15: Uh, well, you're not looking at its original original translation.
[41:33] Speaker 1: So like I, I literally have read it in the
[41:36] Speaker 1: original Hebrew, and there's a Hebrew speaking rabbi underneath you
[41:40] Speaker 1: on this discussion that can more than gladly correct me.
[41:47] Speaker 1: You're also suggesting that the translation done here by the
[41:51] Speaker 1: guy with the PhD is wrong, and that you, who
[41:54] Speaker 1: have no training in original languages, knows better than the
[41:58] Speaker 1: guy with the PhD that translated it.
[42:00] Speaker 15: Well, I actually spoke the very language of Jesus Christ.
[42:03] Speaker 15: Actually I spoke in Aramic, one of the one of
[42:05] Speaker 15: the three main languages.
[42:07] Speaker 1: Do you do you know Biblical Hebrew?
[42:10] Speaker 3: I do I know Biblical Shebrew? I know Aramic.
[42:13] Speaker 1: Like I said, though, great, Well, this is written in Hebrew,
[42:15] Speaker 1: and the dialect of Hebrew typically is referred to as
[42:18] Speaker 1: Biblical Hebrew, which is from a particular time period, and
[42:21] Speaker 1: in Biblical Hebrew, we have words and descriptions of slaves.
[42:26] Speaker 1: That's just why my English translation says, so they may
[42:30] Speaker 1: be your property. A person that you owe, you own
[42:35] Speaker 1: for a life, A person that you don't pay for
[42:37] Speaker 1: their labor, A person that you purchase with your own money.
[42:42] Speaker 2: Is called a slave.
[42:44] Speaker 15: That's what's described in Let me tell you that the
[42:47] Speaker 15: exact difference of what is going on back back then, right,
[42:55] Speaker 15: it was like this. It's even kind of funny to
[42:58] Speaker 15: even say like this, for sure, but you were back then,
[43:04] Speaker 15: you weren't given a salary.
[43:06] Speaker 2: That's wrong.
[43:06] Speaker 3: Hey, guess what you're saying. You're saying a slave.
[43:11] Speaker 16: Right.
[43:11] Speaker 1: If you keep saying that, you're going to be more embarrassed,
[43:13] Speaker 1: you might as well stop now while you're behind.
[43:15] Speaker 3: No, you're going to have to you're gonna have to
[43:18] Speaker 3: counter argue the point.
[43:19] Speaker 1: I can just don't even finish. I'll just counter argue
[43:21] Speaker 1: it now and save you the time. There are not
[43:24] Speaker 1: only jobs that you can work. God himself tells you
[43:29] Speaker 1: that you won't turn your own fellow Hebrew brethren into
[43:32] Speaker 1: these slaves. Says, if there are any who are dependent
[43:36] Speaker 1: on you, and they become so impoverished that they sell
[43:38] Speaker 1: themselves to you. You shall not make them serve as slaves.
[43:41] Speaker 1: They shall remain with you as hired or bound laborers.
[43:45] Speaker 1: That's why I told you before. A person who's getting
[43:47] Speaker 1: paid in Hebrew is a shakir, not an evid or.
[43:50] Speaker 1: Omah says, they shall remain with you as hired or
[43:53] Speaker 1: bound laborers. They shall serve with you until the year
[43:56] Speaker 1: of Jubilee. Then they and their children with them shall
[43:59] Speaker 1: go from your authority, and they shall go back to
[44:01] Speaker 1: their own family and return to their ancestral property. For
[44:05] Speaker 1: they are my servants who I brought out of the
[44:07] Speaker 1: land of Egypt. They shall not be sold as slaves
[44:09] Speaker 1: are sold. You shall not rule over them with harshness,
[44:12] Speaker 1: but you shall fear your God. As for the male
[44:16] Speaker 1: and female slaves who you may have, it's from the
[44:18] Speaker 1: nations around you that you can acquire male and female slaves.
[44:22] Speaker 1: So God is saying of your own fellow Hebrew brethren,
[44:25] Speaker 1: don't make them serve as slaves. Pay them like a
[44:28] Speaker 1: hired worker. The slaves that you want, you can get
[44:32] Speaker 1: those from the nations around you. So there were hired
[44:35] Speaker 1: workers and the Bible lists like twenty or thirty different
[44:40] Speaker 1: jobs that you could have the Old Testament alone. I've
[44:43] Speaker 1: got like a list of twenty five of them.
[44:46] Speaker 2: You can be a.
[44:46] Speaker 1: Carpenter, a cupbearer, a baker, a metal worker, a smelter,
[44:49] Speaker 1: a perfumer, a potter, a fisherman, a shepherd, a builder,
[44:53] Speaker 1: a watchman, a musician, embroiderer, a seamstress, a weaver, stonecutter, tanner,
[44:59] Speaker 1: linen worker, launderer, blacksmith, merchant, tent maker, doctor, scribe, and lawyer,
[45:04] Speaker 1: all found within the biblical text. There's a myriad of
[45:07] Speaker 1: things you can do for money. You don't have to
[45:09] Speaker 1: be anyone's slave.
[45:11] Speaker 7: I went downhill from there for Jews anyway.
[45:15] Speaker 15: Well, it's not although that, yes, that's true. That doesn't
[45:19] Speaker 15: deny the fact that the like housing.
[45:23] Speaker 3: Housing was free. They were given free.
[45:25] Speaker 15: Yes, the people weren't given a wage, but they didn't
[45:27] Speaker 15: have to pay for food or housing.
[45:29] Speaker 1: Right, what happened if you don't feed your slave?
[45:33] Speaker 15: Now but one second, now we're given a wage, but
[45:36] Speaker 15: now we have to pay for food and house.
[45:38] Speaker 2: Right, But what happened if you don't feed your slave?
[45:42] Speaker 3: Okay, they'll die, right, they die?
[45:44] Speaker 1: Okay, so you gotta feed your slave.
[45:45] Speaker 2: Cool?
[45:45] Speaker 1: And do they feed and shelter their cattle.
[45:52] Speaker 3: That's not something I'm familiar with.
[45:54] Speaker 1: Yeah, they feed and shelter their animals. Typically not all
[45:58] Speaker 1: of them were sheltered, but certainly a number of them
[46:01] Speaker 1: would have been sheltered. But they are all fed.
[46:04] Speaker 2: They and they got rest too, that's right.
[46:07] Speaker 1: They even rested on the Sabbath. That's an Exodus twenty
[46:10] Speaker 1: three right, Yeah.
[46:14] Speaker 3: For sure.
[46:15] Speaker 7: And they had that fast also in Jonah. But I
[46:18] Speaker 7: guess that's none of that never mind, right h.
[46:20] Speaker 1: Yeah, So they were treated because they're slaves.
[46:27] Speaker 3: Now can I ask you this? Can I ask you?
[46:31] Speaker 15: So you you believe the same person or sorry, the
[46:35] Speaker 15: same God? Of course you know that that I guess,
[46:40] Speaker 15: in your words promote slavery is the same one who
[46:43] Speaker 15: gave a commandment that that said, if you do if
[46:48] Speaker 15: you don't love your brother, you can't claim to have
[46:51] Speaker 15: loved God because you have seen your brother and you
[46:55] Speaker 15: can't even love him, So how.
[46:57] Speaker 3: Can you love me?
[46:58] Speaker 15: Quoting first John, Yeah, it's not like, of course, the
[47:02] Speaker 15: exact you know, it's like a I guess I'm trying
[47:05] Speaker 15: to just reference it, paraphrase it, but.
[47:07] Speaker 3: That that's that's what he was saying.
[47:08] Speaker 15: You're saying you can't Jesus Jesus.
[47:12] Speaker 1: So that's in First John. That's that's in the the
[47:15] Speaker 1: epistle of First John.
[47:17] Speaker 3: Yeah, but and he was quoting Jesus.
[47:20] Speaker 1: He wasn't quoting Jesus.
[47:23] Speaker 3: You could pull it up. It was I I matter
[47:26] Speaker 3: of fact, I could probably call it before.
[47:30] Speaker 2: We're talking about.
[47:33] Speaker 1: And to be uh quite sure, neither I or Rabbi
[47:38] Speaker 1: Burt believe that Jesus is the God of the Old Testament.
[47:41] Speaker 1: So you're barking up the wrong tree. You believe Jesus
[47:44] Speaker 1: is the god of the Old Testament. Which is why
[47:46] Speaker 1: this is so problematic for you, is because the Old
[47:50] Speaker 1: Testament text that we're reading seems to be incongruent with
[47:53] Speaker 1: the idea of Jesus that you've dreamed up in your head.
[47:57] Speaker 7: Incongruent is generous.
[48:01] Speaker 15: Well, just to be clear, are you are you agnostic?
[48:06] Speaker 15: Are you atheist? What is your what is your position?
[48:10] Speaker 3: And what do you believe in? So I know at
[48:12] Speaker 3: least where you're coming from.
[48:13] Speaker 1: Well, I'm an agnostic atheist. I don't think all God
[48:16] Speaker 1: concepts are inherently improbable. There are a couple of God
[48:22] Speaker 1: concepts that I think are logically coherent, but I don't believe,
[48:27] Speaker 1: like I've never seen evidence for that concept to be true.
[48:30] Speaker 1: So I lack of belief in a God. But when
[48:33] Speaker 1: it comes to the concept of like Jesus being God,
[48:36] Speaker 1: I'm one hundred percent certain that he's not only not God,
[48:39] Speaker 1: he's not even the Messiah. He didn't fulfill a single
[48:41] Speaker 1: Messianic prophecy. He lied about his own second coming. Like
[48:46] Speaker 1: the guy's just a false prophet. He is a he
[48:50] Speaker 1: was a rabble rouser. He got executed for a blasphemy
[48:53] Speaker 1: sedition and being a false prophet.
[48:57] Speaker 15: This is That's the beautiful thing that at least I
[49:01] Speaker 15: got you to acknowledge blasphemy.
[49:04] Speaker 3: You acknowledge that he's claiming to be God.
[49:06] Speaker 15: Somebody existed name Jesus Christ, whether it was disagreed upon.
[49:11] Speaker 1: It or if he actually did claim to be God.
[49:13] Speaker 1: I think he claimed to be equal with God. But
[49:17] Speaker 1: I don't care if he claimed it or not. He's
[49:19] Speaker 1: still a liar.
[49:21] Speaker 3: But so I just want to at least understand this.
[49:27] Speaker 15: So you're at least what you believe in is that
[49:32] Speaker 15: you believe everything is just a big mistake pretty much.
[49:35] Speaker 3: You believe there's no purpose right now for me or you?
[49:38] Speaker 3: You believe that like everything just kind of happened necessarily.
[49:42] Speaker 15: Yeah, we're about a creator. Without a creator, there's no purpose.
[49:47] Speaker 15: I think we could both agree on that, because no, we.
[49:49] Speaker 1: Don't both agree on that. No, I have no God
[49:52] Speaker 1: to give this purpose. I have a purpose that I
[49:55] Speaker 1: have for myself. I create my own purpose. That doesn't
[49:58] Speaker 1: mean just because you're God to and doesn't mean that
[50:00] Speaker 1: I don't have a purpose.
[50:03] Speaker 7: I just wanted to acknowledge that the need for a
[50:05] Speaker 7: neck brace for the pivot.
[50:07] Speaker 3: Well, I'm just kind of staying the fact that because I.
[50:12] Speaker 7: Hope everybody doesn't get whiplashed.
[50:14] Speaker 3: All right, Sorry, do you do you believe that God?
[50:20] Speaker 15: Like, how would you explain the love that you have
[50:22] Speaker 15: for your mother? Is that just chemicals in your body?
[50:25] Speaker 2: Yeah?
[50:26] Speaker 1: Actually, uh, it's through chemicals that you have in your body,
[50:29] Speaker 1: Which is why I like a lot of kids, even
[50:32] Speaker 1: if they have terrible parents, they still love their parents.
[50:35] Speaker 1: I can't tell you how many times I've unfortunately had
[50:39] Speaker 1: to witness somebody with horrible, horrible parents and their kids
[50:42] Speaker 1: still just wants to love their parent because there's a
[50:45] Speaker 1: chemical bond between your your parent and you learn about
[50:48] Speaker 1: that when you have kids. When I had my son,
[50:51] Speaker 1: you know, the doctors and nurses talk to you about
[50:54] Speaker 1: the important stages in the first six months of having
[50:58] Speaker 1: actual physical bonding time with your child because it develops,
[51:03] Speaker 1: you know, the neuroreceptors in your brain and the chemical
[51:06] Speaker 1: makeup of the body so that your child actually forms
[51:10] Speaker 1: a bond with you.
[51:15] Speaker 3: Oh to me one second, Yeah.
[51:19] Speaker 1: Doctor Joe, thank you for the venmo. Doctor Joe says,
[51:22] Speaker 1: it's amazing to me how believers don't see how their
[51:25] Speaker 1: God is the antithesis of their own definition of love.
[51:29] Speaker 1: And I think that's kind of the point that that
[51:32] Speaker 1: you know I was trying to make earlier, is like, Yes,
[51:34] Speaker 1: the God that that you're reading about that you don't like,
[51:38] Speaker 1: disagrees with your current set of moral norms, and that's
[51:42] Speaker 1: why it's uncomfortable for you. I think he got a
[51:48] Speaker 1: phone callar had.
[51:49] Speaker 3: To would you say that.
[51:55] Speaker 2: We lost you?
[51:57] Speaker 3: You give your own purpose?
[51:58] Speaker 15: Right, So for example, somebody like let's say, no, I'm
[52:04] Speaker 15: not going to say his name, but the leader of Germany,
[52:07] Speaker 15: let's say that, right, I'm going to reference him as
[52:09] Speaker 15: that uh in all lords?
[52:12] Speaker 1: Yeah, what about him?
[52:17] Speaker 3: Was that his purpose?
[52:19] Speaker 15: Like he he gave himself a purpose at birth, which
[52:23] Speaker 15: is that eth and and that was morally to him,
[52:26] Speaker 15: that was morally correct. If that was morally correct to him,
[52:29] Speaker 15: does that make it okay?
[52:31] Speaker 7: Because I respond, I think what you're conflating is morality
[52:39] Speaker 7: and ethics. And I think that this person that you're
[52:43] Speaker 7: referring to believed that their expression and morality, in other words,
[52:49] Speaker 7: their ethical expression was I'm not even sure that that
[52:54] Speaker 7: was even the consideration, because their consideration was power. And
[53:01] Speaker 7: I think it's a horrible and grotesque example to bring
[53:06] Speaker 7: in this notion of moral relativism to try and undermine
[53:15] Speaker 7: the value that I think Justin is really trying to
[53:17] Speaker 7: imbue in you, which is ask more questions, read more
[53:22] Speaker 7: books do not depend on your own understanding, which, by
[53:25] Speaker 7: the way, is foundational to Jewish thought. The democratization of
[53:33] Speaker 7: knowledge is essentially equal to the foundational requirement of what
[53:41] Speaker 7: it means to be a human being to ask what
[53:45] Speaker 7: it means to be to ask this question of right
[53:48] Speaker 7: and wrong. And if you are saying that your book
[53:52] Speaker 7: is the sole truth, you have skipped a massive step.
[53:58] Speaker 3: Well, this is yeah, this is actually the thing that
[54:03] Speaker 3: I'm trying to at least. The point that I'm trying
[54:05] Speaker 3: to get across is you said, you said you don't
[54:08] Speaker 3: believe in the Bible. That's really fine, you don't believe
[54:10] Speaker 3: in the Bible.
[54:11] Speaker 7: But who said that? Fucking hell?
[54:14] Speaker 15: Sorry, justin well, I'm going I'm quoting the host the
[54:18] Speaker 15: whole said earlier.
[54:19] Speaker 3: He said, yeah, he didn't believe in the.
[54:21] Speaker 1: Bible, right, I personally don't believe that the Bible gets
[54:26] Speaker 1: everything right. That doesn't mean everything in the bible's false.
[54:29] Speaker 1: There's some true stuff in the Bible.
[54:31] Speaker 7: Belief is the most irrelevant thing in the room. Understanding
[54:35] Speaker 7: is the only is the only important thing. Coming to
[54:38] Speaker 7: an understanding, coming to an understanding of what they were
[54:42] Speaker 7: writing about when they were writing about it, coming to
[54:44] Speaker 7: an understanding of where we are now, and everything in between.
[54:48] Speaker 7: That's the most important thing. If you're trying to claim
[54:50] Speaker 7: some inerrant truth, that is, you know, from the moment
[54:56] Speaker 7: of the creation of the universe, get fucked. I mean,
[54:59] Speaker 7: what a thing to think of?
[55:02] Speaker 15: Well, I think the point that I'm trying to make
[55:06] Speaker 15: is you the whole said he didn't believe in the Bible.
[55:10] Speaker 15: Is fine, but the evidence of God is undeniable, simply
[55:14] Speaker 15: because of what I just told you, because of the
[55:16] Speaker 15: fact that if there is no God, there is no creator,
[55:19] Speaker 15: then there is no standard to go by, which means
[55:22] Speaker 15: we set our own sun, which means I believe that
[55:26] Speaker 15: Unlike when somebody's okay, that makes it morally correct.
[55:29] Speaker 1: No, and that just means that you have an opinion.
[55:31] Speaker 1: I'm allowed to have a different opinion.
[55:35] Speaker 15: We should all so neither of us are wrong then, right, though,
[55:39] Speaker 15: is what you're saying. I'm not wrong for choosing time
[55:41] Speaker 15: to live somebody, and you're not wrong to go against it.
[55:43] Speaker 1: Well, no, you got that wrong. So in my worldview,
[55:47] Speaker 1: I don't believe there are objective morals. I know there
[55:49] Speaker 1: are some atheists that believe in them.
[55:51] Speaker 2: I don't believe in them.
[55:52] Speaker 1: What I'm saying is that all morals are subjective, and
[55:55] Speaker 1: we kind of come to an agreement as a community
[55:57] Speaker 1: about what we are going to allow and disallige within
[56:00] Speaker 1: our community. There's no such thing as like wrong objectively.
[56:06] Speaker 1: It's always subjective. So like if you do something that
[56:08] Speaker 1: I think is wrong, and I say, hey, that's wrong,
[56:12] Speaker 1: don't do that, that's me saying this is my opinion
[56:15] Speaker 1: on what you're doing. I can't appeal to an objective standard,
[56:19] Speaker 1: and you actually can't either. You only think you can
[56:22] Speaker 1: appeal to an objective standard. But if I keep reading
[56:24] Speaker 1: you more laws from this objective standard, I can guarantee
[56:28] Speaker 1: that you'll run away from it real fast. So, for example,
[56:31] Speaker 1: do you think that, for example, women should have full
[56:35] Speaker 1: autonomy over their bodies if their husband passes away?
[56:45] Speaker 15: I was kindling some real quick? Can you repeat that
[56:47] Speaker 15: last part? Do I think it's okay for what?
[56:50] Speaker 2: Yeah?
[56:50] Speaker 1: Should if a woman becomes a widow because her husband dies,
[56:54] Speaker 1: should she have full autonomy over her body? Should she
[56:56] Speaker 1: be allowed to go and marry anyone she chooses?
[57:03] Speaker 3: I don't know. It's very it's very subjective. I wouldn't
[57:07] Speaker 3: say I have like a like I'm not.
[57:10] Speaker 15: I haven't taken that into consideration to really give you
[57:14] Speaker 15: an answer, truthfully.
[57:15] Speaker 1: I gotta be honest. As someone with four sisters, I
[57:17] Speaker 1: find it weird that you've never thought about whether or
[57:20] Speaker 1: not a woman should have autonomy over her body.
[57:23] Speaker 15: Well, I I personally, I'm I have two brothers. You know,
[57:27] Speaker 15: don't have any sister, so they you know that thought personally?
[57:30] Speaker 15: Just never cared about head mom.
[57:34] Speaker 3: I do have a mom.
[57:35] Speaker 1: Yeah, do you think men should have autonomy over their bodies?
[57:45] Speaker 3: Uh? I don't know.
[57:48] Speaker 15: It's like a it's like a touchy thing because if
[57:50] Speaker 15: you already come, if you if like well, I guess
[57:55] Speaker 15: through the eye through the eyes of God, which is
[57:58] Speaker 15: the standard we go by. It shouldn't if you have
[58:01] Speaker 15: a if you are already married with somebody in the
[58:05] Speaker 15: court and not just in the court, through the church.
[58:08] Speaker 15: Right and and there was no divorce that ever happened,
[58:12] Speaker 15: So you are still married to that person.
[58:14] Speaker 1: They're dead, you know that, right? Yeah, But that's that's
[58:18] Speaker 1: what it means to be a widow, right, okay?
[58:21] Speaker 3: Correct?
[58:21] Speaker 1: So if your spouse dies, you're no longer married to them.
[58:25] Speaker 1: So should you be allowed to go and marry someone
[58:28] Speaker 1: you like after that?
[58:32] Speaker 2: Thank you, Mark?
[58:33] Speaker 15: I mean people like you. You could, But that doesn't
[58:36] Speaker 15: mean it's it's okay. I wouldn't necessarily, I wouldn't promote it.
[58:40] Speaker 2: Now.
[58:41] Speaker 1: Well, the Bible says you can get married twice. That's
[58:45] Speaker 1: not the issue. The issue is not can you get
[58:47] Speaker 1: married again? The issue is can you choose who you
[58:50] Speaker 1: get married to again?
[58:56] Speaker 5: Uh?
[58:56] Speaker 3: I don't know. I think because it's more of you can't.
[59:03] Speaker 15: I would say you shouldn't know because if you're still
[59:06] Speaker 15: if you're still married to should But.
[59:10] Speaker 3: I would say you shouldn't marry after right.
[59:13] Speaker 1: But the Bible says you can't. The Bible says you
[59:16] Speaker 1: can marry when your husband or your wife passes away.
[59:20] Speaker 1: So that's that's not even something that we're I don't
[59:22] Speaker 1: even know why that's on the table right now. I
[59:24] Speaker 1: think you're trying to get ahead of my discussion, and
[59:26] Speaker 1: you don't actually know what my discussion is yet. So
[59:29] Speaker 1: according to the Bible, it's okay to get married once
[59:31] Speaker 1: you've become a widow. So the question is should you
[59:36] Speaker 1: be able to choose who you get married to or
[59:39] Speaker 1: does it have to be decided for you?
[59:45] Speaker 3: I don't know.
[59:46] Speaker 15: Like I said, I don't think I would I have
[59:49] Speaker 15: the moral like authority to be like, okay, yeah, no,
[59:53] Speaker 15: nor do I I would say I have like I'm
[59:56] Speaker 15: on either side of the fence. Yet truthfully, I'm not.
[59:58] Speaker 15: I'm not trying to avoid any argument.
[1:00:00] Speaker 1: Me to tread you the passage, it says when brothers
[1:00:02] Speaker 1: reside together and one of them dies and has no son,
[1:00:05] Speaker 1: the wife of the deceased shall not be married outside
[1:00:08] Speaker 1: of the family to a stranger, her husband's brother shall
[1:00:11] Speaker 1: go into her, taking her in marriage and performing the
[1:00:14] Speaker 1: duty of a husband's brother to her. And the firstborn
[1:00:19] Speaker 1: whom she bears shall succeed to the name of the
[1:00:22] Speaker 1: deceased brother, so that his name may not be blotted
[1:00:25] Speaker 1: out of Israel. Do you think that that's a good
[1:00:29] Speaker 1: good law that women should be forced to marry their
[1:00:32] Speaker 1: dead husband's brother.
[1:00:41] Speaker 15: H Can you honestly pull that up again the files
[1:00:45] Speaker 15: handling something I got you.
[1:00:47] Speaker 7: Asking about the practice of labate marriage. Do you understand
[1:00:50] Speaker 7: that he is not about leverate marriage. What's interesting, though,
[1:00:54] Speaker 7: is in Ruth is very clear that Bellez is like
[1:00:58] Speaker 7: trying to kind of fulfill this lever marriage thing but
[1:01:00] Speaker 7: doesn't fully understand it, which I think is in kind
[1:01:04] Speaker 7: of a nod to the fact that maybe at one
[1:01:07] Speaker 7: point it was a thing but also not really truly understood.
[1:01:11] Speaker 7: But it exists in other societies as well.
[1:01:14] Speaker 1: Oh for sure, Yeah, we actually have leverett marriage laws
[1:01:17] Speaker 1: elsewhere in the ancient Near East. I just think it
[1:01:20] Speaker 1: wasn't as important in some regions and then it was
[1:01:23] Speaker 1: in others. But that's what the book says, right, So
[1:01:27] Speaker 1: if your husband passes away and you're a widow. You
[1:01:31] Speaker 1: can't just go marry anyone you want to. You have
[1:01:33] Speaker 1: to marry one of the brothers or the nearest of
[1:01:37] Speaker 1: kin so that the ancestral line of your husband and
[1:01:42] Speaker 1: his family's namesake won't die out. So I guess the
[1:01:46] Speaker 1: question is back where I started. Should a woman have
[1:01:49] Speaker 1: the right to choose what she does after she becomes
[1:01:53] Speaker 1: a widow or should it be decided for her?
[1:01:57] Speaker 3: I mean, I think you should choose.
[1:01:59] Speaker 15: But so notice that you weren't reading anything after the passage, because.
[1:02:04] Speaker 3: That's not the only option. Is that?
[1:02:11] Speaker 1: Yeah, I've read the whole passage that that's the only option.
[1:02:14] Speaker 1: Says if the man has no desire to marry his
[1:02:17] Speaker 1: brother's widow, then his brother's widow shall go up to
[1:02:20] Speaker 1: the elders at the gate and say, my husband's brother
[1:02:22] Speaker 1: refuses to perpetuate his brother's name in Israel. He will
[1:02:27] Speaker 1: not perform the duty of a husband's brother to me.
[1:02:30] Speaker 1: Then the elders of the town shall summon him and
[1:02:33] Speaker 1: speak to him. If he persists saying I have no
[1:02:36] Speaker 1: desire to marry her, then his brother's wife shall go
[1:02:39] Speaker 1: up to him in the presence of the elders. Pull
[1:02:41] Speaker 1: his sandal off his foot, spit in his face, and declare,
[1:02:44] Speaker 1: this is what is done to the man who does
[1:02:47] Speaker 1: not build up his brother's house. So the person here
[1:02:51] Speaker 1: being reprimanded is the brother, not the woman.
[1:02:55] Speaker 7: Studio duty. I think it's duty that there's only forty
[1:02:58] Speaker 7: lines worth five hundred thirty three people in here, just
[1:03:01] Speaker 7: just like a minor detail, but also duty, right, I
[1:03:06] Speaker 7: mean in more senses than one.
[1:03:09] Speaker 1: All right, we lost your truth, he cut out.
[1:03:14] Speaker 2: For a second.
[1:03:16] Speaker 15: I was saying, I guess it's a good thing that
[1:03:18] Speaker 15: you know the Old Testament.
[1:03:20] Speaker 3: I don't.
[1:03:21] Speaker 15: I don't live by the Old Testament, nor does it
[1:03:24] Speaker 15: apply to me. I go by the New Testament, you know.
[1:03:27] Speaker 15: So if you want to, if you want to try
[1:03:31] Speaker 15: and give an example of anything that Jesus preached that
[1:03:36] Speaker 15: is not morally correct, be more than happening.
[1:03:41] Speaker 1: Well, Jesus told you the Fall of the Love of Moses.
[1:03:43] Speaker 1: Have you read that part?
[1:03:46] Speaker 3: What he claimed? He said that he was above that
[1:03:50] Speaker 3: and that he has authority over that.
[1:03:52] Speaker 1: Actually, so listen to what he says. It says, whoever
[1:03:55] Speaker 1: breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches
[1:03:58] Speaker 1: others to do the same, will be called least in
[1:04:00] Speaker 1: the Kingdom of Heaven. Whoever does them and teaches them
[1:04:04] Speaker 1: will be called great in the Kingdom of Heaven. So
[1:04:06] Speaker 1: according to Jesus, doing the law of Moses makes you
[1:04:09] Speaker 1: great in the Kingdom of Heaven.
[1:04:12] Speaker 15: Right, but also there you go, do you see that
[1:04:14] Speaker 15: there where it says for truly, I tell you that
[1:04:18] Speaker 15: right there in specific, that is him quite literally saying his.
[1:04:24] Speaker 3: Word is above the law.
[1:04:26] Speaker 1: He thinks he's God according to you, So it doesn't
[1:04:30] Speaker 1: matter if he's above the law. Technically he gave the law.
[1:04:33] Speaker 1: But the question is whether or not it's good to
[1:04:35] Speaker 1: follow the law. And Jesus says yes, whoever follows the
[1:04:40] Speaker 1: law and teaches others to follow the law will be
[1:04:42] Speaker 1: called great in the Kingdom of God. So following the
[1:04:44] Speaker 1: law is good, not bad. While are you running away
[1:04:46] Speaker 1: from it?
[1:04:50] Speaker 3: As we.
[1:04:53] Speaker 2: Think he's on all?
[1:04:54] Speaker 15: I don't even know he's off for the next couple
[1:04:56] Speaker 15: of days though, about to get fired.
[1:05:02] Speaker 7: Do you think that you can build a house a
[1:05:05] Speaker 7: home without a second with you know, build only a
[1:05:08] Speaker 7: second story. Can you build a home using only the
[1:05:11] Speaker 7: second story?
[1:05:12] Speaker 1: You'd have a lot of problems if you didn't build
[1:05:14] Speaker 1: a foundation and a first story underneath that second story.
[1:05:25] Speaker 1: I think the guests had to go work. He's teacupped
[1:05:36] Speaker 1: while we're waiting on him to unteacup. Rory, thank you
[1:05:38] Speaker 1: so much for the ten hour super Jazz, says the
[1:05:41] Speaker 1: doug abides. He absolutely does abide.
[1:05:43] Speaker 2: Phoenician Kinnight.
[1:05:45] Speaker 1: Semitic religion is based on a mona, a monit, a monita. Oh,
[1:05:50] Speaker 1: he just cut well, he did have to work. We'll
[1:05:52] Speaker 1: give him the benefit of doubt there. He must have
[1:05:56] Speaker 1: was on the edge of getting fired for a second,
[1:05:58] Speaker 1: says a Miscaria. Celestial bodies and human coitus reproduction worship.
[1:06:04] Speaker 1: All matter origin is stardust. Keep calm and carry it out.
[1:06:09] Speaker 1: You said a mouthful, Rory. There's a lot there, But
[1:06:13] Speaker 1: that's the mushroom.
[1:06:14] Speaker 7: That's the mushroom Jesus.
[1:06:15] Speaker 1: And oh I didn't know that.
[1:06:21] Speaker 2: Big w for them hypothesis.
[1:06:24] Speaker 1: I'll have to check into the mushroom hypothesis. Space Worser.
[1:06:27] Speaker 1: Thank you for the ten dollar super test, says why
[1:06:29] Speaker 1: Christians are expected for Jesus to come back. It's not
[1:06:33] Speaker 1: like he was nailed to a boomerang. Praise be dug, Absolutely,
[1:06:37] Speaker 1: praise be dug. And he is not coming back. Guys,
[1:06:41] Speaker 1: Jesus was hung and not in a good way. Renaissance.
[1:06:45] Speaker 1: Welcome to the Crack and Crew Elite, Big W. And
[1:06:50] Speaker 1: also thank you for gifting a Deconstruction Zone membership. I
[1:06:53] Speaker 1: really appreciate that, Big W for gifting memberships. And Will Madickliffe,
[1:06:58] Speaker 1: good to see you tonight. Thank you for the fight.
[1:07:00] Speaker 1: Super Jest says, I got one for you. What's your
[1:07:02] Speaker 1: take on Matthew ten five through eight and fifteen twenty four?
[1:07:06] Speaker 1: Sorry if I'm off topic, Duck Doug, forgive me. Well,
[1:07:10] Speaker 1: Matthew ten is when he's sending the disciples out to
[1:07:14] Speaker 1: the villages. So now I'm trying to remember what was
[1:07:18] Speaker 1: in fifteen because I don't recall the contents of fifteen.
[1:07:22] Speaker 1: But we'll find out real quick, noop. So got a
[1:07:30] Speaker 1: there we go, of course, I got to put a
[1:07:33] Speaker 1: comma in there. There we go. I got some passages.
[1:07:38] Speaker 1: See what it says the mission of the twelve. These
[1:07:41] Speaker 1: twelve Jesus sent out with the following instructions. Do not
[1:07:44] Speaker 1: take a road leading to gentiles, and do not enter
[1:07:47] Speaker 1: a Samaritan town, but go rather to the lost sheep
[1:07:50] Speaker 1: of the House of Israel. As you go proclaim the
[1:07:52] Speaker 1: good news. The Kingdom of Heaven has come near here
[1:07:54] Speaker 1: the sick and raised the dead, to cleanse those with
[1:07:57] Speaker 1: a skin disease and cast out demons. He received without payment,
[1:08:00] Speaker 1: Give without payment. And then he follows up in fifteen
[1:08:03] Speaker 1: says he answered, I was only sent to the law
[1:08:06] Speaker 1: sheep of the house of Israel. Oh, you're asking whether
[1:08:08] Speaker 1: or not Jesus actually came for the gentiles. Well, that's
[1:08:11] Speaker 1: actually a more complicated answer than you might think. If
[1:08:14] Speaker 1: you read the parables of Jesus, Jesus is actually pretty
[1:08:16] Speaker 1: clear that he came originally for the last sheep of Israel,
[1:08:21] Speaker 1: but now since they haven't accepted him, he's opening the
[1:08:25] Speaker 1: kingdom to all people. So like the parable of the
[1:08:28] Speaker 1: tenant farmers, and the parable of the wedding banquet, and
[1:08:32] Speaker 1: the parable of the Great Feast, these are all parables
[1:08:35] Speaker 1: explaining why the Jewish people were originally chosen, but they're
[1:08:39] Speaker 1: going to be essentially cast aside for not accepting them
[1:08:42] Speaker 1: in all the gentiles and everyone else is going to
[1:08:44] Speaker 1: be welcome in, which is why he says, likening Israel
[1:08:48] Speaker 1: to the olive tree, he says, even now God wants
[1:08:55] Speaker 1: God wants the tree that produces good fruit, and this
[1:08:58] Speaker 1: tree produces bad fruit. So now the axe is ready
[1:09:02] Speaker 1: at the root of the tree. So, uh, go ahead.
[1:09:06] Speaker 7: Are you saying Jesus is a populist?
[1:09:09] Speaker 2: Yeah?
[1:09:09] Speaker 1: Right, what about that? I'm sorry it really was, uh
[1:09:18] Speaker 1: but good question. Willman, Dick, Lift, and Baz thank you
[1:09:21] Speaker 1: for the superchest, says. Caller's position is I don't know stuff,
[1:09:23] Speaker 1: so nobody knows stuff. I think that's a fair point
[1:09:26] Speaker 1: on the Egyptian pyramid building. But guys, honestly, inside of academia,
[1:09:31] Speaker 1: every Egyptologist knows how the pyramids were built, and they
[1:09:34] Speaker 1: weren't all built the same way. There's actually multiple methods. Eric,
[1:09:37] Speaker 1: thank you for the super chest, says when a Christian
[1:09:40] Speaker 1: asks how do you define true? I simply use the
[1:09:43] Speaker 1: Marty McFly standard. Given a flying time machine and a camera,
[1:09:48] Speaker 1: could you film it? That's actually a really good suggestion,
[1:09:51] Speaker 1: Like if somebody said is something true, you could just
[1:09:55] Speaker 1: rephrase it as did it actually happen in real life?
[1:09:59] Speaker 1: And is it possible that somebody could have had evidence
[1:10:02] Speaker 1: of it if they were in fact there? Doctor Pizza
[1:10:06] Speaker 1: big w for the six sixty six says, slave is
[1:10:10] Speaker 1: when Egyptians have forced labor, servant is when Hebrews have
[1:10:14] Speaker 1: forced labor. Don't worry about them being the same word
[1:10:17] Speaker 1: in the Bible. Isn't that crazy? That's such a good point.
[1:10:20] Speaker 1: They love it when they talk about the slaves in
[1:10:23] Speaker 1: Egypt being the Israelites, but then when it talks about
[1:10:26] Speaker 1: the Israelites owning slaves, all of a sudden, they want
[1:10:28] Speaker 1: to change the meaning of the word. So at least
[1:10:31] Speaker 1: be a little bit consistent.
[1:10:33] Speaker 7: Can I see a question? How do you send the
[1:10:35] Speaker 7: super chats?
[1:10:36] Speaker 17: Like?
[1:10:36] Speaker 7: There's been multiple times when I wanted to do that
[1:10:39] Speaker 7: and I have no idea how to do that.
[1:10:41] Speaker 1: You have to be on the YouTube stream, and from
[1:10:44] Speaker 1: the YouTube stream in the bottom right corner, there's a
[1:10:47] Speaker 1: little icon with a money signed rather than a message sign.
[1:10:51] Speaker 1: And click the money sign. It'll pop up and you
[1:10:54] Speaker 1: could fill in your superchat text and select like a
[1:10:58] Speaker 1: dollar amount. It's pretty easy, but you can't do do
[1:11:00] Speaker 1: it on TikTok yet.
[1:11:03] Speaker 7: Oh interesting one. It seems like a good way to
[1:11:04] Speaker 7: support the live and also to like get a direct
[1:11:08] Speaker 7: line to.
[1:11:08] Speaker 1: You certainly is absolutely yeah. I try to read every
[1:11:12] Speaker 1: super chat while I'm live, guys, and sometimes we get
[1:11:15] Speaker 1: backed up when we have long guests like we are now,
[1:11:18] Speaker 1: but I try to read all of them. Patty, thank
[1:11:20] Speaker 1: you so much for the super thanks. I appreciate that.
[1:11:23] Speaker 1: And Rainbow Wolf, thank you for the superchest says I
[1:11:26] Speaker 1: need some mental gymnastics. I need to to lose two pounds.
[1:11:29] Speaker 1: Well you're going to get mental gymnastics tonight. Rainbow and Judas,
[1:11:33] Speaker 1: thank you for the superchat says the caller didn't know
[1:11:35] Speaker 1: enough about feeding and watering animals, but he can't authoritatively
[1:11:40] Speaker 1: correct a PhD.
[1:11:41] Speaker 2: That's exactly right.
[1:11:42] Speaker 1: And in fact, if you ask like a Bible professor
[1:11:46] Speaker 1: at a typical seminary or university. One of the things
[1:11:50] Speaker 1: that enrages them the most, the ones that actually do
[1:11:52] Speaker 1: engage in translation, is when somebody like opens up a
[1:11:57] Speaker 1: strong concordance and like, well, I know more than a
[1:11:59] Speaker 1: translator because I've got a strong concordance.
[1:12:02] Speaker 2: No, you don't.
[1:12:03] Speaker 1: I actually learned Greek and Hebrew, and I know nothing
[1:12:07] Speaker 1: compared to the people who translated to the text. So like,
[1:12:12] Speaker 1: don't think just because you opened up a strong accordance
[1:12:15] Speaker 1: that you're gonna go correcting a guy with a PhD.
[1:12:18] Speaker 1: My first Hebrew professor had a PhD in Old Testament studies,
[1:12:25] Speaker 1: and my second Hebrew professor had a PhD in just
[1:12:28] Speaker 1: Semitic languages. He went to school for twelve years just
[1:12:31] Speaker 1: to get a PhD in Semitic languages.
[1:12:34] Speaker 2: It's all he did.
[1:12:35] Speaker 1: And then I had another professor that did he hits
[1:12:38] Speaker 1: PhD in the Hebrew language at a Jewish school. He
[1:12:43] Speaker 1: went to Brandy's. So like, the people doing these translations
[1:12:46] Speaker 1: are not clowns like me.
[1:12:50] Speaker 7: Brandised. Also also, no, that's okay, and also like who
[1:12:55] Speaker 7: do you think they were? Like who do you think
[1:12:58] Speaker 7: Strong was using? Don't you think we've learned something since?
[1:13:03] Speaker 3: Yeah?
[1:13:03] Speaker 7: Whatever, God, I'm sorry.
[1:13:05] Speaker 2: No, you nailed it.
[1:13:05] Speaker 1: Strong concordance is as old as out of date. And
[1:13:08] Speaker 1: it's just a it's a reference for the King James Bible.
[1:13:11] Speaker 1: It's not even a real lexicon of the languages. But Judas,
[1:13:15] Speaker 1: thank you for the supertest. It says this YouTube autocorrect
[1:13:17] Speaker 1: is almost as bad as God. Yeah, listen, the auto
[1:13:21] Speaker 1: correct will get you. You gotta be careful. But I think
[1:13:23] Speaker 1: that's on your phone, by the way, I reactor thank
[1:13:26] Speaker 1: you for the six sixty six says free housing is
[1:13:30] Speaker 1: a kind as free Transatlantic boat ride. Oh shit, you're
[1:13:35] Speaker 1: right there. That's basically what he said. That's that's dark,
[1:13:40] Speaker 1: but that's a that's a deep joke.
[1:13:42] Speaker 7: Jeezus.
[1:13:42] Speaker 2: But it's not wrong.
[1:13:45] Speaker 7: Is it not wrong?
[1:13:47] Speaker 1: It's not wrong?
[1:13:48] Speaker 7: I shuddered.
[1:13:49] Speaker 1: I was, Yeah, Dad, thank you for the superjest, says,
[1:13:54] Speaker 1: excuse me, I too, gave myself purpose at birth. Yeah,
[1:13:57] Speaker 1: I was hoping that he had. He would correct him
[1:14:00] Speaker 1: on that. I think he just misspoke, but yeah, nobody
[1:14:02] Speaker 1: at birth is sentience enough to give themselves their own
[1:14:05] Speaker 1: meeting and date. Again, says, but morals are not objective. Uh,
[1:14:09] Speaker 1: I agree, Dave. You've been here long enough to you
[1:14:12] Speaker 1: know you've already heard my speech on morals. But can
[1:14:16] Speaker 1: best thank you for the thirteen ninety nine super thanks.
[1:14:18] Speaker 1: I really appreciate that. And Rory again, big w. Rory
[1:14:22] Speaker 1: says there are rights and wrongs. Right is an action
[1:14:25] Speaker 1: that doesn't take away from another. A wrong is an
[1:14:28] Speaker 1: action that takes a right from another. That's a very
[1:14:31] Speaker 1: good point, like a wrong action theoretically infringes on somebody
[1:14:35] Speaker 1: else's right. So I think is what you're saying, and
[1:14:38] Speaker 1: I don't necessarily disagree with that. Rory again says, oh sorry,
[1:14:43] Speaker 1: I just read that. All right, guys, we had three
[1:14:45] Speaker 1: more super chats and we'll get our next guest in
[1:14:47] Speaker 1: near Tariq. Thank you for the six ninety nine, says
[1:14:51] Speaker 1: Inspiring Philosophy defense of number thirty one. The girls were adopted.
[1:14:56] Speaker 1: They killed off the girl's mom, dad, brother, sister, uncle, auntie, grands.
[1:15:00] Speaker 1: But they're doing a little girl of favor. Yeah, exactly,
[1:15:03] Speaker 1: and then to distribute them among the warriors. Yeah, I'm sure.
[1:15:06] Speaker 1: I actually have a couple of videos going back and
[1:15:08] Speaker 1: forth with Inspiring Philosophy on this exact topic on YouTube.
[1:15:12] Speaker 1: Ban On TikTok. You're welcome to watch his ridiculous, dumb
[1:15:16] Speaker 1: responses to my video and then watch me eviscerate him
[1:15:20] Speaker 1: by actually reading the text. And Pyrol thank you for
[1:15:23] Speaker 1: the find our super chest says, was evunculate? I'm gonna
[1:15:29] Speaker 1: hopefully pronounce it right. Was evunculate marriages common? I think
[1:15:32] Speaker 1: you mean l Can we call it evuculate for now on?
[1:15:40] Speaker 1: Can we just say that it's the new for all generations,
[1:15:43] Speaker 1: for all generations?
[1:15:44] Speaker 2: Sorry?
[1:15:44] Speaker 1: Was evunculate marriages common in ancient Hebrew culture?
[1:15:48] Speaker 2: If so?
[1:15:49] Speaker 1: Have ever outlawed relatives from creating offspring. Well, I don't
[1:15:54] Speaker 1: know if we have data on how common it is.
[1:15:56] Speaker 1: My personal opinion is that this particular law was an
[1:16:02] Speaker 1: idealistic law, but whether or not it actually got practiced,
[1:16:06] Speaker 1: I actually would be reluctant to say that in real
[1:16:09] Speaker 1: life they practiced this on the regular.
[1:16:12] Speaker 7: Also, just to be clear, it's not about outlying. It's
[1:16:14] Speaker 7: not about relatives from creating offspring. It's let's say I
[1:16:19] Speaker 7: am I am, you know, I'm marrying my wife, and
[1:16:24] Speaker 7: my wife you know whatever, like whatever Heaven forbid, God
[1:16:29] Speaker 7: forbid passes away. I would then like, no, that's not
[1:16:35] Speaker 7: exactly that works. If I were to passed away, God forbid,
[1:16:40] Speaker 7: my brother would be responsible for marrying my wife. That's
[1:16:43] Speaker 7: however marriage works. That's the foundation is that if the
[1:16:48] Speaker 7: male passes away, the next closest kin is responsible for
[1:16:53] Speaker 7: marrying the wife. So it's not like an.
[1:16:57] Speaker 1: I n cest thing, right, Yeah, just be clear. Sorry,
[1:17:01] Speaker 1: I don't know if if we if I created any
[1:17:04] Speaker 1: confusion on that. Yeah, this is not talking about incest.
[1:17:06] Speaker 1: By the way, Marcus, thank you for the supertest, says
[1:17:10] Speaker 1: I watch you all the TI. I'm justin doing a
[1:17:12] Speaker 1: great job. Well, thank you so much for the support, Marcus.
[1:17:14] Speaker 1: I appreciate that and welcome to the Crack and Crew elite.
[1:17:18] Speaker 1: Hard work, You've earned it. We're trying to get Texas
[1:17:22] Speaker 1: to connect here. He's having a little trouble with his connection.
[1:17:24] Speaker 1: We'll give him a second and if they can't connect.
[1:17:26] Speaker 2: We'll move on.
[1:17:28] Speaker 1: L diablow Jesus, thank you for the two hours. Supertest says, uh,
[1:17:32] Speaker 1: where's why are Moses?
[1:17:35] Speaker 2: Uh?
[1:17:35] Speaker 1: And Where's why are Moses now? And you listen, I
[1:17:42] Speaker 1: love some good an your music, but this comment may
[1:17:46] Speaker 1: be over my head.
[1:17:47] Speaker 7: Your Moses now? I think it's where's your Moses now?
[1:17:50] Speaker 1: Oh? I see the why in the hour are disconnected?
[1:17:53] Speaker 1: And said where's your Moses now? But I don't know
[1:17:55] Speaker 1: what NYA means. That an abbreviation for something.
[1:17:59] Speaker 7: I don't know that piece.
[1:18:01] Speaker 1: Oh well, anyways, Oh Diablo, thank you for the super chat.
[1:18:06] Speaker 1: And Eric Smith, thank you so much for the five dollars.
[1:18:10] Speaker 1: Super chat says if morality was subjective, the world would
[1:18:13] Speaker 1: be a patchwork of cultures with disparate and contradictory rules
[1:18:17] Speaker 1: and taboos. Looks at reality. Oh wait, shit, you basically
[1:18:22] Speaker 1: nailed it there. I'm with you all right, So we
[1:18:25] Speaker 1: got fivefold ministries with us? How you doing fivefold?
[1:18:32] Speaker 3: Good? Good?
[1:18:33] Speaker 2: Are you doing good?
[1:18:35] Speaker 1: Thank you for asking fivefold? Are you at least eighteen?
[1:18:38] Speaker 1: And are you a believer?
[1:18:41] Speaker 2: Yes?
[1:18:42] Speaker 1: To booth awesome? And why should I trust the Bible?
[1:18:49] Speaker 4: Why should you trust it?
[1:18:50] Speaker 2: Yeah?
[1:18:51] Speaker 4: Well, because God is God is real.
[1:18:56] Speaker 1: How do you know this God of the Bible?
[1:19:00] Speaker 4: How do I know?
[1:19:01] Speaker 2: What?
[1:19:02] Speaker 1: How do you know that the God that is real
[1:19:04] Speaker 1: is the God.
[1:19:04] Speaker 2: Of the Bible?
[1:19:07] Speaker 4: Oh?
[1:19:09] Speaker 2: Just from it?
[1:19:10] Speaker 4: I just know the Lord Jesus a gude for your sins.
[1:19:13] Speaker 4: He rose again.
[1:19:14] Speaker 2: That's adorable.
[1:19:16] Speaker 1: But if I said I just know that Marduke is God,
[1:19:19] Speaker 1: would I be correct?
[1:19:23] Speaker 4: Well? The reason why I know is because he's revealed
[1:19:26] Speaker 4: it to me. If God is well, only finish. If
[1:19:32] Speaker 4: God is real, he's going to speak to you. He's
[1:19:35] Speaker 4: going to be able to talk to his creation.
[1:19:37] Speaker 2: He doesn't.
[1:19:40] Speaker 4: Well, the reason why he doesn't do it to you
[1:19:43] Speaker 4: is because the invisible God has made visibles to those
[1:19:46] Speaker 4: who believe.
[1:19:49] Speaker 3: You.
[1:19:49] Speaker 1: See how your religious viewpoint requires you to paint all
[1:19:54] Speaker 1: non believers in a bad lay. Also think or thank
[1:19:56] Speaker 1: you for the ten month subscription and ruper saying no,
[1:19:59] Speaker 1: so thank you for this subscription as well. Your religion
[1:20:03] Speaker 1: requires you to view me as a bad person like you.
[1:20:07] Speaker 1: Actually can't sit there and think that I'm a rational
[1:20:10] Speaker 1: human being that just came to a different conclusion from
[1:20:13] Speaker 1: you because I have a different set of evidence.
[1:20:17] Speaker 4: Actually it says the complete opposite. It says all have
[1:20:20] Speaker 4: fallen short of the glory of God, not just one.
[1:20:23] Speaker 1: That includes you.
[1:20:25] Speaker 4: Correct.
[1:20:26] Speaker 2: Cool.
[1:20:26] Speaker 1: So the question is why your religion requires you to
[1:20:31] Speaker 1: view me in a negative light. See, you don't have
[1:20:34] Speaker 1: the ability to sit here and think that I'm an
[1:20:36] Speaker 1: honest person. You have to believe that deep down I'm
[1:20:39] Speaker 1: a bad person and I wouldn't do what God wanted
[1:20:42] Speaker 1: if he revealed him to himself to me, why do
[1:20:45] Speaker 1: you believe that a bad person?
[1:20:48] Speaker 4: It says all have fallen short of the glory of God.
[1:20:50] Speaker 1: I'm aware that he does it as well. So that's
[1:20:53] Speaker 1: not a good argument.
[1:20:54] Speaker 4: And you know the Bible. You do know that Jesus
[1:20:57] Speaker 4: said thank you for hiding these things and revealing these
[1:21:01] Speaker 4: things to the babes, to to the to the babes
[1:21:05] Speaker 4: in Christ. So essentially he says you must be like
[1:21:08] Speaker 4: a child in order to enter the parleigue of heaven.
[1:21:11] Speaker 2: Why do I care?
[1:21:12] Speaker 4: You must have child like faith, Yeah, but why do
[1:21:14] Speaker 4: I care?
[1:21:14] Speaker 1: I don't believe the Bible is telling the truth.
[1:21:18] Speaker 4: Okay, well you don't have to.
[1:21:19] Speaker 2: So you have to.
[1:21:21] Speaker 1: You have to believe everything in the Bible already before
[1:21:25] Speaker 1: God gives you the information. You need to demonstrate that
[1:21:28] Speaker 1: it's true.
[1:21:30] Speaker 4: You have to believe in Jesus in order for him
[1:21:33] Speaker 4: to reveal.
[1:21:33] Speaker 1: But what Jesus is gone, Well, like I told you before,
[1:21:40] Speaker 1: so the evidence is the Bible then, okay, so this
[1:21:43] Speaker 1: is circular. You're saying you you don't have understanding of
[1:21:47] Speaker 1: God because you don't have faith, and you don't have
[1:21:49] Speaker 1: faith in Jesus. But the evidence of Jesus is the Bible.
[1:21:53] Speaker 1: And I don't think that the Bible is true. So
[1:21:56] Speaker 1: your alls you're really saying is that you just have
[1:21:58] Speaker 1: to force yourself to believe it some way or another.
[1:22:01] Speaker 1: But if I gave you the same argument for the Koran,
[1:22:04] Speaker 1: would you accept it? If I said, listen, the Koran
[1:22:06] Speaker 1: is true at the word of God, Muhammad's last great prophet,
[1:22:09] Speaker 1: and if you would just have faith, God would reveal
[1:22:13] Speaker 1: it to you.
[1:22:15] Speaker 4: Well, that's the problem is they don't say that. They
[1:22:17] Speaker 4: do not say that God will said.
[1:22:19] Speaker 1: That they did fivefold. I'm saying, if I used the
[1:22:22] Speaker 1: same argument for another religion, would you accept that argument?
[1:22:29] Speaker 4: The only argument I would accept is will your God
[1:22:33] Speaker 4: reveal himself to me? Because if he is God, you'll
[1:22:36] Speaker 4: be able to see him and hear him.
[1:22:39] Speaker 1: Oh, what does God look like?
[1:22:43] Speaker 4: And I can say that about Christ?
[1:22:44] Speaker 2: What does he look like?
[1:22:46] Speaker 4: Everything around you?
[1:22:47] Speaker 3: Man? Oh?
[1:22:48] Speaker 1: So God is everything?
[1:22:51] Speaker 4: God created everything. He reveals himself.
[1:22:53] Speaker 2: As to what does God look like?
[1:22:57] Speaker 4: God is spirit?
[1:22:59] Speaker 2: So you said you saw a God.
[1:23:00] Speaker 1: I want to know what it looks like.
[1:23:02] Speaker 4: Well, like I told you before, the invisible God is
[1:23:05] Speaker 4: mevisible to those who believe.
[1:23:07] Speaker 1: Right, But what does he look like? You're a believer?
[1:23:10] Speaker 1: You said you saw God. I want to know what
[1:23:12] Speaker 1: he looks like.
[1:23:14] Speaker 4: Well, I said, you can see him and you can
[1:23:16] Speaker 4: hear him me personally.
[1:23:18] Speaker 1: Right, you said you can see him, and you said
[1:23:21] Speaker 1: you're a believer, and I want to know what does
[1:23:25] Speaker 1: he look like? Also, you're the first on the board tonight.
[1:23:27] Speaker 1: You're the first with the look at the trees. We
[1:23:29] Speaker 1: got look at the trees counter at one already.
[1:23:33] Speaker 4: Okay, so I'm going to tell you this. I've heard
[1:23:37] Speaker 4: him me personally. Have I seen him directly? No?
[1:23:41] Speaker 1: Okay, so you haven't seen God. Okay, just check it.
[1:23:43] Speaker 2: Okay, what is his voice?
[1:23:45] Speaker 6: Can you can't?
[1:23:46] Speaker 4: It's it's small and it's still. It's a very silent voice.
[1:23:50] Speaker 1: So his voice is silent. So you saw God, but
[1:23:53] Speaker 1: God's invisible. You heard God, but his voice is not audible.
[1:23:58] Speaker 4: His voice is audible.
[1:23:59] Speaker 2: It sounds like you're just.
[1:23:59] Speaker 1: Just describing your own thought process.
[1:24:02] Speaker 4: It's like a whisper. That's his voice.
[1:24:04] Speaker 2: Is it?
[1:24:05] Speaker 1: Is it like a deep voice or a high pitch voice?
[1:24:08] Speaker 2: What kind of voice?
[1:24:08] Speaker 4: Is it like a whisper?
[1:24:11] Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm aware it. Is it a deep voice or
[1:24:13] Speaker 1: is it a high pitch voice?
[1:24:17] Speaker 7: Uh?
[1:24:17] Speaker 4: Like I said, when somebody's whispering, it's not deep or
[1:24:20] Speaker 4: high pitched.
[1:24:21] Speaker 1: So you've never actually heard the voice of God.
[1:24:23] Speaker 4: Does this sound deeper high pitched?
[1:24:26] Speaker 3: Neither?
[1:24:27] Speaker 4: It sounds like a whisper.
[1:24:28] Speaker 1: You can have a whisper that is in different pitches.
[1:24:31] Speaker 2: Are you ware of this?
[1:24:33] Speaker 7: Does this sound deeper?
[1:24:35] Speaker 4: So I'm gonna tell you it's like a whisper, so
[1:24:40] Speaker 4: soft and still that you know it's God. Sadly, I
[1:24:45] Speaker 4: feel sorry for you.
[1:24:46] Speaker 1: I feel sorry for you because you need medicated. Okay,
[1:24:51] Speaker 1: well you're hearing voices in your head. That means you're
[1:24:54] Speaker 1: you're like, you're hallucinating. You need medicated, So just post
[1:24:58] Speaker 1: a backtrack on the whole co ssation so far. I
[1:25:01] Speaker 1: asked you why I should believe the Bible, and your
[1:25:04] Speaker 1: evidence for why trust the Bible is because God whispers
[1:25:10] Speaker 1: in your ear. So like, if I told you, if
[1:25:13] Speaker 1: I told you that the Koran is true because God
[1:25:16] Speaker 1: whispered it in my ear, would you accept that.
[1:25:20] Speaker 7: And sweet?
[1:25:20] Speaker 2: Nothing?
[1:25:21] Speaker 4: What I would accept is God can do the same
[1:25:23] Speaker 4: thing to.
[1:25:24] Speaker 1: You, yes or no question. If I told you that
[1:25:28] Speaker 1: the Koran is true and I know it because God
[1:25:31] Speaker 1: whispered it in my ear, would you accept that argument?
[1:25:34] Speaker 4: The only reason I hopped on yes or no?
[1:25:38] Speaker 1: It's a yes or no. I'm not going to let
[1:25:40] Speaker 1: you pivot and cry and run away from it if
[1:25:43] Speaker 1: I use the same argument you used. If I said
[1:25:47] Speaker 1: the Koran is true because I heard the voice of
[1:25:50] Speaker 1: God whispered in my ear, would you accept the argument no?
[1:25:55] Speaker 2: Because okay, so you're delusional, that's the answer. Cool.
[1:26:02] Speaker 4: If I have heard the voice of God and you
[1:26:05] Speaker 4: told me that I would call you a liar.
[1:26:07] Speaker 1: I'm calling you a liar to your faith. I think
[1:26:09] Speaker 1: you're delusional.
[1:26:11] Speaker 4: Okay, you might believe on a liar, but by the
[1:26:15] Speaker 4: time you take your last breath, you're going to see
[1:26:17] Speaker 4: Jesus Christ Nazareth wrong. Okay, you don't know that, sir.
[1:26:23] Speaker 2: You don't know that story.
[1:26:24] Speaker 1: You're the one making definitive claims about what I'm going
[1:26:26] Speaker 1: to win and the.
[1:26:27] Speaker 4: Reason why I die because those verses. You're sitting there
[1:26:30] Speaker 4: running races around that guy. Go to the second verse
[1:26:33] Speaker 4: you showed him.
[1:26:34] Speaker 1: I showed him like a dozen verses. Which one do
[1:26:36] Speaker 1: you want me to cook you on?
[1:26:39] Speaker 4: It's not about cooking, it's about revealing the truth.
[1:26:42] Speaker 1: You're definitely gonna get the verse one you want to.
[1:26:44] Speaker 4: Read the second one you showed him.
[1:26:47] Speaker 1: I don't know what the second one was. It was
[1:26:49] Speaker 1: a New Testament, God whispered in your ear.
[1:26:51] Speaker 4: If you know what it is, it was in the
[1:26:54] Speaker 4: New Testament.
[1:26:55] Speaker 2: I'm sure it is.
[1:26:59] Speaker 4: The first you showed him in the New Testament.
[1:27:02] Speaker 2: Do you know one word? Can you? Can you think
[1:27:05] Speaker 2: of one word in the verse.
[1:27:09] Speaker 4: The one after being married to my brother.
[1:27:13] Speaker 2: After that's.
[1:27:18] Speaker 1: That's Deuteronomy twenty five, and that's the Old Testament. So
[1:27:21] Speaker 1: now I definitely don't believe that God is whispering showed him.
[1:27:25] Speaker 6: If you think that.
[1:27:26] Speaker 1: Leverate marriage is in the New Testament, it's in the
[1:27:30] Speaker 1: Old Testament, and it's right here and.
[1:27:33] Speaker 4: Five about following the commandments.
[1:27:35] Speaker 1: Okay, that's different when I say that you said about
[1:27:38] Speaker 1: the marriage. Okay, so now you just said so now
[1:27:41] Speaker 1: you're changing your mind because you got called out that
[1:27:43] Speaker 1: you don't know the Bible.
[1:27:44] Speaker 4: Cool, Okay, sir, I said the one.
[1:27:47] Speaker 1: After Matthew five says, do not think that I have
[1:27:52] Speaker 1: come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have
[1:27:55] Speaker 1: not come to abolish, but to fulfill. For truly, I
[1:27:59] Speaker 1: tell you, until he on earth pass away, not one
[1:28:02] Speaker 1: stroke of a letter will pass away from the law
[1:28:05] Speaker 1: until all is accomplished. Has heaven earth passed away?
[1:28:13] Speaker 4: Can you hear me?
[1:28:14] Speaker 1: Have heaven and earth passed away?
[1:28:19] Speaker 3: No?
[1:28:19] Speaker 4: Not yet?
[1:28:20] Speaker 2: Cool?
[1:28:21] Speaker 1: Does it say that not one stroke of a letter
[1:28:24] Speaker 1: will pass away until heaven and earth pass away?
[1:28:30] Speaker 4: Can you please continue after nineteen?
[1:28:32] Speaker 1: I would love to continue if you answer my question.
[1:28:35] Speaker 1: Does it say that not one letter, not one stroke
[1:28:39] Speaker 1: of a letter will pass away until heaven and earth
[1:28:41] Speaker 1: pass away.
[1:28:45] Speaker 2: Correct?
[1:28:45] Speaker 1: Cool, And in verse nineteen, it says, therefore, whoever breaks
[1:28:49] Speaker 1: one of the least of these commandments? Are you a whoever?
[1:28:55] Speaker 4: Can you continue to twenty and twenty one?
[1:28:57] Speaker 1: I promise I'll read whatever you want to. Are you
[1:28:59] Speaker 1: a who who ever?
[1:29:04] Speaker 7: Yes?
[1:29:05] Speaker 8: Cool?
[1:29:05] Speaker 1: Therefore, whoever breaks one of the least of these commandments
[1:29:08] Speaker 1: and teaches others to do the same, will be called
[1:29:10] Speaker 1: least in the kingdom of heaven. But whoever does them
[1:29:13] Speaker 1: and teaches them will be called great in the Kingdom
[1:29:15] Speaker 1: of Heaven. So, according to the words of Jesus, is
[1:29:18] Speaker 1: a good thing or a bad thing to follow the laws?
[1:29:25] Speaker 4: Oh, it's actually a good thing to follow the ten commandments.
[1:29:28] Speaker 4: Referring he didn't.
[1:29:29] Speaker 1: Say ten commandments, Sir.
[1:29:33] Speaker 4: If you know the New Testament and I know the
[1:29:35] Speaker 4: New Testament, he says, I have not come to aboutish.
[1:29:42] Speaker 1: So what are the law and the prophets?
[1:29:44] Speaker 4: You've read? So you've read the okay? So number one,
[1:29:48] Speaker 4: you've read the Letters of Paul.
[1:29:49] Speaker 1: Correct, I've read the entire Bible. I'm asking you what
[1:29:53] Speaker 1: is the law or the prophets?
[1:29:54] Speaker 2: What are those?
[1:29:57] Speaker 4: Okay? One stroke of the law. So umber one he fulfilled.
[1:30:02] Speaker 4: He fulfilled the law? Which law did he fulfill?
[1:30:06] Speaker 1: You listen to my question. He says the law or
[1:30:10] Speaker 1: the prophets? What are the law in profits? When he
[1:30:14] Speaker 1: says those words.
[1:30:18] Speaker 4: He said that he has not come to abolish, but
[1:30:20] Speaker 4: to fulfill.
[1:30:21] Speaker 1: That's not my question. My question is what do the
[1:30:23] Speaker 1: words law and profit mean? Can I answer, yes, I
[1:30:29] Speaker 1: already know that.
[1:30:30] Speaker 4: You know the law.
[1:30:31] Speaker 18: Go ahead, it's to fulfill the torah profits, it's torahu
[1:30:37] Speaker 18: naviem those are that. That's what he's referring to. Okay,
[1:30:41] Speaker 18: it's not the Ten Commandments. It's a six hundred and
[1:30:43] Speaker 18: thirteen commandments. Well, it's more complicated than that, but the
[1:30:47] Speaker 18: point is ten commandments like whatever, you haven't read it
[1:30:52] Speaker 18: without telling me, that's all right, exactly.
[1:30:54] Speaker 4: The point of Christ coming in the flesh was to
[1:30:57] Speaker 4: prove in the point of the six hundred and thirteen commandments,
[1:31:00] Speaker 4: what's to prove that no man can follow all six thirteen? Well,
[1:31:03] Speaker 4: that's why Christ came. That's not true.
[1:31:05] Speaker 2: That's not true.
[1:31:05] Speaker 4: No, yes, sir, it is. No, it's just why Christ
[1:31:07] Speaker 4: came in the flesh.
[1:31:08] Speaker 2: Wrong again, Nope, you're wrong. Luke.
[1:31:11] Speaker 1: Chapter one says the exact opposite of that. Luke Chapter
[1:31:14] Speaker 1: one says zach Wrai and Elizabeth were righteous according to
[1:31:17] Speaker 1: all of the commandments of the Law. I'll find it for.
[1:31:25] Speaker 4: You, Okay, go to it.
[1:31:27] Speaker 2: It's in Luke chapter one.
[1:31:30] Speaker 4: All right, Well, I'm gonna look real quick online while
[1:31:33] Speaker 4: you read it.
[1:31:33] Speaker 1: There you go, Luke chapter one. Both of them were
[1:31:36] Speaker 1: righteous before God, living blamelessly according to all the commandments
[1:31:41] Speaker 1: and regulations of the Lord. Oops this way till he
[1:31:53] Speaker 1: reads Deuteronomy chapter thirty, where God says that this is
[1:31:57] Speaker 1: not too hard for you. He's got to go google
[1:32:08] Speaker 1: his answers. I love it when they make such positive,
[1:32:17] Speaker 1: definitive claims about a book I know they haven't read.
[1:32:20] Speaker 2: It's wild to me that they have this amount of confidence.
[1:32:31] Speaker 1: Imagine having the name fivefold Ministries and not knowing what's
[1:32:36] Speaker 1: in the book.
[1:32:39] Speaker 7: What does fivefold even mean?
[1:32:41] Speaker 1: You know, I think he's one fly maybe half ply.
[1:32:48] Speaker 7: A ply is generous.
[1:32:49] Speaker 1: You can't even wipe with this. This is like the
[1:32:52] Speaker 1: type that you have to take like thirty foot of
[1:32:54] Speaker 1: it and fold it up.
[1:32:57] Speaker 7: It's fivefold ministries, like a reference to the fivefold fists.
[1:33:05] Speaker 1: Typically fivefold Ministry is like referring to like the different
[1:33:12] Speaker 1: divisions of ministers in the New Testament, like apostles profits.
[1:33:16] Speaker 4: Okay, so number one, so number one. If you go
[1:33:20] Speaker 4: back to the original topic. Whenever he's talking about the
[1:33:24] Speaker 4: commandments and following the love we list the walls in
[1:33:28] Speaker 4: the same chapter that he's talking about. That's not number
[1:33:32] Speaker 4: take commandments, yes, sir, it is. If you go it's
[1:33:35] Speaker 4: not true because there are commands.
[1:33:37] Speaker 1: There are commands. Number two, there are commands.
[1:33:40] Speaker 4: And number two you're sitting here.
[1:33:42] Speaker 1: There are commands in Matthew chapter five that are not
[1:33:45] Speaker 1: part of the ten Commandments. You're going to cook yourself again.
[1:33:48] Speaker 1: I don't know why you didn't learn.
[1:33:49] Speaker 4: The first time to go to that same chapter and all.
[1:33:52] Speaker 1: Right, so in the same chapter, there are a bunch
[1:33:55] Speaker 1: of commands in here that he's talking about, and not
[1:33:58] Speaker 1: all of them are part of the ten Commandments. That's
[1:34:01] Speaker 1: what he's talking about. In Matthew chapter five and chapter six.
[1:34:03] Speaker 1: There's a bunch of commandments that he tweaks and not
[1:34:06] Speaker 1: all of them are part of the ten Commandments.
[1:34:22] Speaker 2: And he's gone to get.
[1:34:23] Speaker 7: Oh yeah, while he's gone, can I do you know
[1:34:26] Speaker 7: who chat is? Have you ever spoken to chat.
[1:34:28] Speaker 1: Chet's a good friend of mine.
[1:34:29] Speaker 2: We grew up together.
[1:34:31] Speaker 7: Oh that's amazing.
[1:34:32] Speaker 2: Chet's amazing.
[1:34:33] Speaker 3: I know.
[1:34:36] Speaker 7: I have had like the greatest conversations with him, and
[1:34:39] Speaker 7: it's like such a like ah fulfilling experience to go
[1:34:44] Speaker 7: through the text with him.
[1:34:46] Speaker 1: He dropped, you know. Yeah, Chut's amazing. Listen, I know
[1:34:50] Speaker 1: people think I'm smart, and I've said it here a
[1:34:52] Speaker 1: hundred times, Guys, I don't hold a candle to chat.
[1:34:55] Speaker 1: Chet's way smarter than me. I'm just dumb enough to
[1:34:58] Speaker 1: get up here and argue with people all the time.
[1:35:02] Speaker 7: I always make the joke like it's so funny because
[1:35:05] Speaker 7: his name's Check. But he couldn't be more opposite from Het.
[1:35:10] Speaker 2: Yeah, he's like the greatest dude.
[1:35:13] Speaker 1: No, Chet's amazing. In fact, I know his whole family
[1:35:16] Speaker 1: if five fold ministry got cooked apparently because he had
[1:35:19] Speaker 1: to run.
[1:35:20] Speaker 3: But I know, are you.
[1:35:21] Speaker 7: From the Pacific Northwest? From Ohio?
[1:35:24] Speaker 1: I'm from Ohio? Me too, baked, w we have to
[1:35:28] Speaker 1: get together sometime.
[1:35:31] Speaker 7: Hold on my hearing age, which what did you say?
[1:35:33] Speaker 1: So we got to get together sometime? In fact, I
[1:35:35] Speaker 1: bet we actually don't live far apart.
[1:35:38] Speaker 7: Well, I live in the Pacific Northwest. Now I was
[1:35:40] Speaker 7: asking about the Kraken piece. Oh yeah, but originally from Cleveland.
[1:35:45] Speaker 2: But I saw that.
[1:35:46] Speaker 7: I saw that Chet had nor Walk on his hat
[1:35:49] Speaker 7: the other day.
[1:35:50] Speaker 2: So right, yeah, he's from Ohio.
[1:35:52] Speaker 1: So but anyways, yeah, next time you come to Ohio,
[1:35:54] Speaker 1: let me know, right, let me grab a couple super chats.
[1:35:56] Speaker 1: We'll get our next guest in here.
[1:35:57] Speaker 2: I think two thirty one was next in line here.
[1:36:01] Speaker 1: And Loma, thank you for the super jet, says another
[1:36:05] Speaker 1: book question thoughts on God and Anatomy. So that book
[1:36:08] Speaker 1: is by h Francesca Stravocapulu, and I actually haven't got
[1:36:13] Speaker 1: around to reading it. Shame on me for not having
[1:36:16] Speaker 1: read it, because she's amazing. I've actually written some of her,
[1:36:19] Speaker 1: read some of her articles, but not her actual book.
[1:36:21] Speaker 1: Yet she's awesome. If you get the book, you won't
[1:36:27] Speaker 1: regret it. I've read some articles that touch on the
[1:36:30] Speaker 1: same topics as the book, and I don't know if
[1:36:33] Speaker 1: I always agree with her one hundred percent, but listen,
[1:36:35] Speaker 1: she's got to earn PhD. She knows more than I do.
[1:36:38] Speaker 1: I'm willing to give her the benefit of the doubt
[1:36:40] Speaker 1: that possibly I'm not reading it. With the same amount
[1:36:43] Speaker 1: of background information that she has. So but that even
[1:36:48] Speaker 1: in academia not everyone always agrees. But is she a
[1:36:50] Speaker 1: competent academic?
[1:36:51] Speaker 2: Hell?
[1:36:52] Speaker 1: Yeah, she's an amazing academic. She's she's stellar. But like
[1:36:56] Speaker 1: I would sit in her classroom every day of the
[1:36:58] Speaker 1: week if I could. Dave Lewis, thank you for the
[1:37:01] Speaker 1: super test, says, hey, justin what passages can you remember
[1:37:04] Speaker 1: being troublesome for you as a believer? When Uza studied
[1:37:08] Speaker 1: the ark to stop it falling and God killed him
[1:37:11] Speaker 1: on the spot. That made me very uneasy as child.
[1:37:14] Speaker 1: So actually I read that as well as a youngster,
[1:37:17] Speaker 1: and I didn't like that.
[1:37:18] Speaker 2: But I think.
[1:37:21] Speaker 3: The past.
[1:37:22] Speaker 7: Do you ever compare, sorry, do you ever compare and
[1:37:25] Speaker 7: contrast the various places where they're supposed to be carrying
[1:37:29] Speaker 7: the arc and the problem was that they were rolling
[1:37:32] Speaker 7: it on a cart and they were supposed to be
[1:37:36] Speaker 7: carrying it, And so the fact that he resided for
[1:37:39] Speaker 7: it was like on top of the fact that they
[1:37:41] Speaker 7: were not carrying it. Obviously that's fucked. I'm just saying, like,
[1:37:46] Speaker 7: I think it's interesting. It's a self commentary, it's a
[1:37:50] Speaker 7: place in which the text is in conversation with itself.
[1:37:54] Speaker 7: Sorry to completely interrupt you get me out of here.
[1:37:56] Speaker 7: If you need to kick me, I'm so sorry, dude, I.
[1:37:59] Speaker 1: Would never kick You're awesome, Bert.
[1:38:02] Speaker 2: I do agree.
[1:38:03] Speaker 1: You know, the mode of transportation for the arc is
[1:38:06] Speaker 1: supposed to be using the handles that are slipped through
[1:38:08] Speaker 1: the rings, and they weren't doing that. If that were
[1:38:11] Speaker 1: the case, then it's probable that Uza most likely wouldn't
[1:38:16] Speaker 1: have needed to reach out and touch it. But the
[1:38:18] Speaker 1: fact of the matter is, I agree it's a difficult passage.
[1:38:20] Speaker 1: I think the first difficult passage I ran into as
[1:38:24] Speaker 1: a young person was I found a way to rationalize
[1:38:29] Speaker 1: the global flood. But the first one that really gave
[1:38:32] Speaker 1: me trouble was the slavery bit, and I was able
[1:38:35] Speaker 1: to rationalize it for a while until I became better acquainted.
[1:38:40] Speaker 1: But part of my rationalization was that I just didn't
[1:38:43] Speaker 1: have all the information about what God was actually commanding. Oh,
[1:38:49] Speaker 1: Cora Robertson, thank you, Robinson, thank you so much for
[1:38:51] Speaker 1: the ten dollars over cash at big w. I think
[1:38:54] Speaker 1: that's our friend Coorra who supper chats us on YouTube.
[1:38:58] Speaker 1: But yeah, I think slavery was the most difficult one
[1:39:01] Speaker 1: for me up front. But even at that, if I
[1:39:04] Speaker 1: still believe that Jesus was the Messiah, I might have
[1:39:07] Speaker 1: found a way to rationalize that. But once you stop
[1:39:09] Speaker 1: believing that Jesus is the Messiah and that the God
[1:39:12] Speaker 1: is real, then you lose the motivation to rationalize some
[1:39:15] Speaker 1: of the difficult stuff. Berserk, thank you for the super chest,
[1:39:18] Speaker 1: says our biblical author's red pill.
[1:39:20] Speaker 2: It sounds similar. Um, I don't know.
[1:39:25] Speaker 1: It's a good question. The Book of Genesis is very
[1:39:28] Speaker 1: red pill to me, where they're engaging with the Babylonian
[1:39:32] Speaker 1: text and saying, no, actually, this is the way it
[1:39:35] Speaker 1: really is. So I do catch some of that in Genesis,
[1:39:38] Speaker 1: but I don't know if I catch that necessarily everywhere.
[1:39:41] Speaker 1: Maybe Isaiah could have been a red pillar, but it's
[1:39:45] Speaker 1: hard to say good question though. Godwin thank you for
[1:39:47] Speaker 1: the super chest and says FYI, superchats are buggy and
[1:39:51] Speaker 1: insert their own typos. Interesting. I've never seen that, but
[1:39:55] Speaker 1: thanks for letting me know. I'll be looking for typos
[1:39:58] Speaker 1: and the superchats now that I know that it's a
[1:40:00] Speaker 1: flaw on YouTube's end. And doctor Pizza, thank you so
[1:40:04] Speaker 1: much for the super chest. Says, here's five dollars for
[1:40:06] Speaker 1: look at the trees counter.
[1:40:07] Speaker 2: Love it.
[1:40:08] Speaker 1: Thank you so much, doctor Pizza in Big w look
[1:40:11] Speaker 1: at the trees counter.
[1:40:12] Speaker 2: We're up to one.
[1:40:13] Speaker 1: Guys, you know where two is just on the horizon.
[1:40:16] Speaker 1: Ezekiel twenty three nineteen through twenty is crazy. Yeah, you're
[1:40:19] Speaker 1: one hundred percent right. And for people who haven't read
[1:40:21] Speaker 1: Ezekiel twenty three nineteen through twenty, we'll throw it up
[1:40:24] Speaker 1: on the screen for you.
[1:40:25] Speaker 2: I Ezeke.
[1:40:27] Speaker 1: The book of Ezekiel altogether is a wild book.
[1:40:30] Speaker 8: It just is.
[1:40:32] Speaker 1: But Ezekiel twenty three nineteen through twenty says, the choicest
[1:40:37] Speaker 1: fruits of your ground you shall bring into the house
[1:40:39] Speaker 1: of the Lord, and you shall not boil a kid
[1:40:42] Speaker 1: in his mother's milk. This is a quotation from Exus
[1:40:45] Speaker 1: twenty three says I'm going to send an angel in
[1:40:48] Speaker 1: front of you. Also on this is Exodus. That's why, like,
[1:40:51] Speaker 1: wait a minute, why Exos twenty three. I don't try
[1:40:57] Speaker 1: this again.
[1:40:58] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[1:40:59] Speaker 1: She increased her prostitutions, remembering the days of her youth
[1:41:02] Speaker 1: when she prostituted herself in the land of Egypt and
[1:41:04] Speaker 1: lusted after her paramours there, whose members like those of donkeys,
[1:41:08] Speaker 1: and whose emissions were like that of stallions. So the
[1:41:12] Speaker 1: Bible is not for kids.
[1:41:13] Speaker 3: Guys.
[1:41:15] Speaker 7: You ever read the lyrics of Dynamo Hum by Frank Zappa?
[1:41:19] Speaker 5: No, no, really quickly.
[1:41:23] Speaker 7: I can't say where she's coming from. I just let
[1:41:25] Speaker 7: met a lady named Dynamo home. She stroll on over.
[1:41:28] Speaker 7: Say look here, bum I got a forty dollars bill
[1:41:30] Speaker 7: that says you can't make me Yeah, okay, yeah, and
[1:41:36] Speaker 7: it's and then I got a spot that gets me
[1:41:39] Speaker 7: hot and you ain't been to it. As goes on
[1:41:41] Speaker 7: and on, and then her sister gets involved and makes
[1:41:47] Speaker 7: oh yeah, okay, and while her sister made a joke
[1:41:50] Speaker 7: about her mental health till finally Dynamo did finally give in.
[1:41:55] Speaker 7: But I told her she really needed some discipline anyway.
[1:41:58] Speaker 7: Dynamo Hum by Zappa, I think is a parallel text
[1:42:03] Speaker 7: to Ezekiel twenty three.
[1:42:05] Speaker 2: That's what it is.
[1:42:06] Speaker 1: In fact, maybe Frank Zappa is an analog to yahweh,
[1:42:10] Speaker 1: because up God's up there, zappin people.
[1:42:13] Speaker 2: You know what I mean.
[1:42:15] Speaker 7: Well, that's good, that's very good. The SG would say,
[1:42:19] Speaker 7: it agrees.
[1:42:21] Speaker 1: My conscious, thank you for the superchat. This is a
[1:42:23] Speaker 1: really good question for the last guest, Mike Tyson whisper
[1:42:26] Speaker 1: or Berry White whisper. Yes, it's wild to me that
[1:42:29] Speaker 1: he couldn't grasp the idea that you could whisper in
[1:42:32] Speaker 1: different tones. And Ai McDermott, thank you for the superchat,
[1:42:36] Speaker 1: big w for the ten dollars. It says it's bad
[1:42:40] Speaker 1: historiography to trust anything found in ancient texts unless the
[1:42:44] Speaker 1: content therein can be independently verified. No ancient text is
[1:42:49] Speaker 1: given the latitude that Christians give the Bible. I agree,
[1:42:52] Speaker 1: and like that's why historians by and large are not
[1:42:56] Speaker 1: biblical literalists, even when they are Christians, because you can't
[1:43:01] Speaker 1: do good history by picking up a Bible and saying
[1:43:04] Speaker 1: that it's true, because it actually disagrees with a lot
[1:43:06] Speaker 1: of the data that we have from the ancient world.
[1:43:09] Speaker 1: And skeptics and scoundrels. Good to see you tonight, friend,
[1:43:11] Speaker 1: says I'd be far more impressive. Sorry, it'd be far
[1:43:15] Speaker 1: more impressive if this almighty God just lay his cards
[1:43:18] Speaker 1: on the table and win regardless. This mystery hiddenness stuff
[1:43:23] Speaker 1: screams weakness. I agree the idea that God wants to
[1:43:27] Speaker 1: or needs to hide himself and become a mystery. God
[1:43:31] Speaker 1: is weird. If your God, just say so and be
[1:43:34] Speaker 1: fine and listen. Shay Robinson rebuking Satan in the comments
[1:43:39] Speaker 1: of TikTok is not gonna fix anything here. Either you
[1:43:43] Speaker 1: have the Holy Spirit courage to come in the guest
[1:43:45] Speaker 1: box and prove for God true, or you don't. Solo,
[1:43:48] Speaker 1: good to see you, my friend, says I used to
[1:43:49] Speaker 1: hear that still small voice, and then one day it
[1:43:53] Speaker 1: said to me, Hey, you're too smiled for this. That's
[1:43:56] Speaker 1: what it said to me too. Actually, Solo, big w
[1:44:01] Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, Okay, this is interesting. I like this
[1:44:07] Speaker 1: small Johnson, interesting name, says Justin is currently whispering in
[1:44:12] Speaker 1: my ear? Does that make him my Lord and savior?
[1:44:14] Speaker 1: Maybe we all guys, you already know. You already know
[1:44:19] Speaker 1: that I am the Messiah. I've fulfilled more prophecies than Jesus.
[1:44:23] Speaker 1: So there is little something. There's a little something going
[1:44:27] Speaker 1: on here. And CJ thank you for the supertest. This
[1:44:29] Speaker 1: says while that people claim God is moral when he
[1:44:31] Speaker 1: clearly punishes the innocent and endorses slavery. And we've talked
[1:44:35] Speaker 1: about this a lot about God punishing innocent people, and
[1:44:37] Speaker 1: I agree with you. I can't agree with you more.
[1:44:40] Speaker 1: The ungooglable man good to see you tonight, says, why
[1:44:43] Speaker 1: did Moses need to lead the Israelites away from all
[1:44:45] Speaker 1: the Egyptian jobs they totally wanted? And we're glad to
[1:44:49] Speaker 1: have rock hard for Doug. That's just such a good point.
[1:44:52] Speaker 1: This goes again to the consistency or the lack of
[1:44:55] Speaker 1: consistency that Christian use when interpreting. You know, the word
[1:45:00] Speaker 1: slave in the book, You know what I mean, it's
[1:45:02] Speaker 1: a slave when it refers to the Israelites in Egypt,
[1:45:05] Speaker 1: it's not slave, but at first in anyone else.
[1:45:07] Speaker 2: But welcome in, Jake, what's going on?
[1:45:10] Speaker 3: Man?
[1:45:11] Speaker 2: Jake? Are at least eighteen in Are you a believer?
[1:45:15] Speaker 1: I am twenty one, and yes I am Christian?
[1:45:19] Speaker 2: And why should I trust the Bible?
[1:45:23] Speaker 8: I would say you should trust it because it's like
[1:45:26] Speaker 8: the most peer reviewed book of all time. We have
[1:45:30] Speaker 8: like manuscripts that date back to shortly after Jesus's death,
[1:45:34] Speaker 8: and they all even like not even just Christianity, a
[1:45:38] Speaker 8: lot of like I think it's Islam and Judaism. They
[1:45:43] Speaker 8: actually say that Jesus had a big part to play
[1:45:45] Speaker 8: in their religion as well, although he's not the Messiah.
[1:45:49] Speaker 1: So doesn't make any of it true. I'm talking about
[1:45:52] Speaker 1: the contents of the book. Why should I trust what
[1:45:56] Speaker 1: the book says?
[1:46:01] Speaker 8: Well, I think that do you You don't believe in God?
[1:46:04] Speaker 1: Obviously no, I don't believe in God. But I'm asking
[1:46:08] Speaker 1: why should I? Why should I believe this book that
[1:46:10] Speaker 1: is supposed to be from God?
[1:46:13] Speaker 8: Well, I would think that if we have aust God,
[1:46:16] Speaker 8: which I do believe, then he would do his best
[1:46:20] Speaker 8: to put like in the best way that we can
[1:46:24] Speaker 8: get information across to each other right now, would be
[1:46:27] Speaker 8: like literature. So I would say that aust God would
[1:46:30] Speaker 8: some way, somehow make it so a book, which would
[1:46:34] Speaker 8: be the Bible, would be able to like it would
[1:46:40] Speaker 8: reach its way through our society.
[1:46:45] Speaker 1: Goblin brain, thank you for all the hats. I appreciate that, Jake,
[1:46:47] Speaker 1: I may not understand the point that you're trying to make.
[1:46:50] Speaker 1: Can you restate that.
[1:46:54] Speaker 8: I would say that Jesus God is a just God,
[1:47:00] Speaker 8: so in his mind I would say that, I'm sorry.
[1:47:10] Speaker 8: I would say that he would try to make his
[1:47:12] Speaker 8: way into everyone's life, and the Bible is I would
[1:47:17] Speaker 8: say the stepping stone, like the first place to start,
[1:47:19] Speaker 8: if you want to develop a relationship with God.
[1:47:23] Speaker 1: Yeah, I know you believe that. I'm asking why should
[1:47:25] Speaker 1: I believe it? Just because you believe it doesn't mean
[1:47:27] Speaker 1: I should believe it? And Rusty, thank you for the
[1:47:29] Speaker 1: face paint.
[1:47:30] Speaker 8: Well, I kind of already told I said, we have
[1:47:33] Speaker 8: like manuscripts that say that Jesus I'm aware.
[1:47:37] Speaker 1: And what did I say after that?
[1:47:41] Speaker 8: You want to reiterate, Yeah.
[1:47:44] Speaker 1: Just because we have manuscripts, does it make the contents
[1:47:47] Speaker 1: of the book true or trustworthy? For example, we have
[1:47:50] Speaker 1: the original manuscripts that Joseph Smith wrote. That doesn't mean
[1:47:54] Speaker 1: the contents of the Book of Mormon is true.
[1:47:57] Speaker 8: So I would say no, I wouldn't believe that, like
[1:48:01] Speaker 8: everything in the Bible should be taken as like literal,
[1:48:04] Speaker 8: Like I believe that it could have been tampered with,
[1:48:07] Speaker 8: Like anyone that says like the Bible is one literal,
[1:48:10] Speaker 8: I don't believe like they understand.
[1:48:14] Speaker 1: But is it true?
[1:48:17] Speaker 8: I think the core premise of it is yes, Like,
[1:48:21] Speaker 8: what what's the core premise that Jesus died on the cross?
[1:48:25] Speaker 12: How he wrote later?
[1:48:28] Speaker 8: Well, that's kind of where faith and like faith comes in.
[1:48:34] Speaker 1: If I said, you have to believe in the Koran
[1:48:35] Speaker 1: on faith? Would you accept that as an argument?
[1:48:38] Speaker 8: No, But I would say that the Quran doesn't have
[1:48:41] Speaker 8: historical evidence.
[1:48:42] Speaker 2: That does.
[1:48:43] Speaker 8: I think that their historical evidence that points toward Jesus's
[1:48:46] Speaker 8: death and resurrection was.
[1:48:47] Speaker 2: Mohammed real person, he was.
[1:48:50] Speaker 8: But I mean, have you read.
[1:48:51] Speaker 1: This historical is historical?
[1:48:53] Speaker 8: Then Mohammed like six year olds.
[1:48:55] Speaker 1: So I don't care.
[1:48:57] Speaker 8: Oh, that sounds about right coming from non Christian.
[1:49:03] Speaker 1: Your religion is any better when in regards to children.
[1:49:07] Speaker 1: So just make sure we're understanding here. Your religion, your religion,
[1:49:11] Speaker 1: the God of your religion endorses the same practices. I
[1:49:14] Speaker 1: cook Muslims on Ayisha every day of the week, but
[1:49:18] Speaker 1: I will cook you on numbers thirty one on the
[1:49:21] Speaker 1: very same issue.
[1:49:24] Speaker 8: And you said, Jesus says that that's acceptable.
[1:49:29] Speaker 2: Saying the god of the book.
[1:49:31] Speaker 1: If you think Jesus is God, that means your messiah,
[1:49:35] Speaker 1: Your Jesus said that numbers thirty one it was acceptable
[1:49:39] Speaker 1: to take little virgin girls and distribute them as war
[1:49:43] Speaker 1: booty among the fighting men. What verses that number thirty one?
[1:49:48] Speaker 1: Have you bothered to read it? He's googling it right now.
[1:49:58] Speaker 1: He's going, he's never read it.
[1:50:01] Speaker 7: Can I ask a question of you? Justin that, I
[1:50:03] Speaker 7: really like thinker always pushed back on me, like, I
[1:50:08] Speaker 7: just never have understood this, Like what is the obsession
[1:50:10] Speaker 7: with historicity? Like he immediately like, if there's a core thing,
[1:50:16] Speaker 7: it's Jesus died on the cross and was resurrected three
[1:50:19] Speaker 7: days later, and that is foundationally necessary for the entire thing.
[1:50:25] Speaker 7: As soon as you tug on that string, the sweat
[1:50:28] Speaker 7: or unravels.
[1:50:29] Speaker 2: Oh easy.
[1:50:32] Speaker 7: First of all, the word history was invented by the
[1:50:35] Speaker 7: Greeks in the year around three hundred BCE. History is
[1:50:40] Speaker 7: such an unnecessary question. It is so unnecessary that the
[1:50:46] Speaker 7: text is not concerned with it even right, even Islam
[1:50:52] Speaker 7: is not concerned with historicity. There's no scientific sort of
[1:50:57] Speaker 7: approach to this. I love that you're yawning right now.
[1:51:03] Speaker 7: It's great.
[1:51:04] Speaker 2: It's not you. I'm probably I've been working all day.
[1:51:08] Speaker 7: Yeah now, I'm telling you, man, It's like, yeah, me too,
[1:51:12] Speaker 7: Like enough already.
[1:51:14] Speaker 1: It's not you, brut, I love you.
[1:51:21] Speaker 2: What is the historicity ship? Like?
[1:51:23] Speaker 3: What is it?
[1:51:24] Speaker 4: Like?
[1:51:24] Speaker 2: Why is that the first he ran?
[1:51:27] Speaker 7: Oh my gosh, he googled numbers thirty.
[1:51:30] Speaker 9: One and dropped.
[1:51:34] Speaker 2: He's like, oh, the book couldn't have said that. He
[1:51:36] Speaker 2: wasn't read it. It's like, oh fuck, I gotta get
[1:51:38] Speaker 2: out of here.
[1:51:43] Speaker 1: Oh boy, okay, all right, okay, Doctor Pizza says, I
[1:51:48] Speaker 1: love hearing the guests put the first crease in the
[1:51:51] Speaker 1: spine of their Bible as they look up all this
[1:51:53] Speaker 1: new information. Yeah, that's that's the exactly what happened. Rory,
[1:51:59] Speaker 1: thank you for the super test, says reading Adam and
[1:52:01] Speaker 1: Eve story unbiasedly seems like the serpent was Prometheus.
[1:52:06] Speaker 2: Any known parallels there, well, I.
[1:52:09] Speaker 1: Personally think that the serpent in the Adam and Eve
[1:52:12] Speaker 1: story is a parallel to serpents and other ancient neuriastern literature,
[1:52:15] Speaker 1: where serpents were like these wily creatures that had like
[1:52:20] Speaker 1: all kinds of magical properties. And this particular serpent was
[1:52:25] Speaker 1: like the one in Gigglemesh where it was like the
[1:52:27] Speaker 1: enemy of mankind's immortality. But Rory, thank you for the supertest,
[1:52:33] Speaker 1: says the Doug abides. No faith is credible in facts.
[1:52:36] Speaker 1: Doug always abides, and just remember, of all the facts
[1:52:40] Speaker 1: out there, Doug is the rock solid truth. Guys and
[1:52:44] Speaker 1: small Johnson again, thank you, says Justin is currently whispering
[1:52:47] Speaker 1: in my ear. Doesn't that make him? Oh sorry, yes,
[1:52:50] Speaker 1: it does make you me, your learned savior. I'll take
[1:52:53] Speaker 1: your tithes and worships and whatnot. Happy Wednesday, Justin, you
[1:52:58] Speaker 1: have fulfilled the law in my heart. Thank you so much,
[1:53:00] Speaker 1: Texas Pana Hindler. I appreciate that, and I'm glad that
[1:53:05] Speaker 1: I can fulfill the.
[1:53:06] Speaker 2: Law in your heart.
[1:53:08] Speaker 1: And I'll never do the leve rate marriage and go
[1:53:11] Speaker 1: into you. Don't worry, We're okay there. I mean, unless
[1:53:13] Speaker 1: you're asking, unless you're you know, you're into that kind
[1:53:16] Speaker 1: of thing, then maybe we can talk. Colts Fan, Rick,
[1:53:18] Speaker 1: thank you for the super chat, says I'm a fellow engineer,
[1:53:21] Speaker 1: although civil, and wanted to ask your opinion on how
[1:53:25] Speaker 1: there can be people who learn and excel in the
[1:53:27] Speaker 1: science of engineering but also believe that the Earth was
[1:53:30] Speaker 1: created a thousand years ago. So cult, fam, I am
[1:53:35] Speaker 1: an engineer and I've been through this discussion a lot,
[1:53:38] Speaker 1: and my understanding is most people that come from a
[1:53:41] Speaker 1: science background that are still Christians will find a way
[1:53:44] Speaker 1: to allegorize the Old Testament texts that seem to not
[1:53:48] Speaker 1: really be historical.
[1:53:50] Speaker 2: But the problem is like when you.
[1:53:51] Speaker 1: Go to the New Testament, the New Testament authors envision
[1:53:54] Speaker 1: it as literal actual history, so it makes it very difficult,
[1:53:58] Speaker 1: but that's how most of them will do it. In fact,
[1:54:01] Speaker 1: even my first you know, Hebrew Bible professor was like that.
[1:54:06] Speaker 1: He allegorized the stuff that was difficult and then literalized
[1:54:10] Speaker 1: everything that he could literalize, which is kind of a
[1:54:12] Speaker 1: weird thing, but it.
[1:54:14] Speaker 5: Is what it is.
[1:54:16] Speaker 1: God would thank you so much for the super says.
[1:54:18] Speaker 1: I think reason don't touch the arc of the covenant
[1:54:21] Speaker 1: rule is in case they had to show people a counterfeit.
[1:54:24] Speaker 1: Oh big, Such a good point. And actually I have
[1:54:29] Speaker 1: the same feeling as well about the commandment to not
[1:54:34] Speaker 1: take the Lord's name in vain, which is about swearing oaths.
[1:54:37] Speaker 1: I think why God really didn't want them swearing oaths
[1:54:40] Speaker 1: in his name is because theoretically, in the oath swearing ceremony,
[1:54:44] Speaker 1: it's up to him to hold the guilty party accountable
[1:54:47] Speaker 1: if they break the oath, and they knew he wasn't
[1:54:50] Speaker 1: going to actually do it because he wasn't real anyways,
[1:54:55] Speaker 1: let's reason welcome in how.
[1:54:56] Speaker 19: You doing, How you doing, How you doing great, great.
[1:55:01] Speaker 2: So reason, are you at least eighteen and are you
[1:55:04] Speaker 2: a blamer?
[1:55:07] Speaker 16: Yeah, I'm over eighteen.
[1:55:08] Speaker 4: I'm forty, and I'm not a believer.
[1:55:11] Speaker 16: Reason's ears that the story of Jesus is it's a
[1:55:18] Speaker 16: repeat of stories that's.
[1:55:19] Speaker 3: Been in history.
[1:55:21] Speaker 16: For example, you have the story of Kushna, which was
[1:55:26] Speaker 16: five BC. Then you have the stories of horrors with
[1:55:30] Speaker 16: six dollars in BC, and then you have the winter solstice.
[1:55:36] Speaker 16: So all religion is based off the winter solstice. But
[1:55:40] Speaker 16: all these religions have a good deity resurrecting virgin birth
[1:55:47] Speaker 16: and the wise man, so they all of stories that
[1:55:52] Speaker 16: came before, and Jesus is like one of the last
[1:55:55] Speaker 16: stories of its kind.
[1:55:58] Speaker 3: Let me mix.
[1:55:59] Speaker 1: I know that you probably like had like a whole
[1:56:02] Speaker 1: speech you wanted to go through, but this is supposed
[1:56:05] Speaker 1: to be a debate. I'm glad that you're not part
[1:56:07] Speaker 1: of this religion, but we're just keeping this on topic, okay, friend, So.
[1:56:12] Speaker 16: Can I ask you one day before I go just
[1:56:14] Speaker 16: one ding because I had the debate with my friend
[1:56:17] Speaker 16: about it about the no and the arc story, because
[1:56:21] Speaker 16: we just debating, and I asked them one ding because
[1:56:23] Speaker 16: the Bible says that the water was fifteen cubics high,
[1:56:27] Speaker 16: which is like twenty two feet of water. So I said,
[1:56:30] Speaker 16: how can twenty two feet of water flood the whole planet?
[1:56:34] Speaker 1: I don't think that's what it says. It says that
[1:56:36] Speaker 1: the water reached up to the tops of the mountains,
[1:56:40] Speaker 1: and then it actually gives a measurement as to high
[1:56:43] Speaker 1: how far.
[1:56:45] Speaker 17: I do what I say?
[1:56:46] Speaker 16: Fifteen cubics cubits? Yeah, okay, okay, okay, appreciate you, thank
[1:56:53] Speaker 16: you so much.
[1:56:53] Speaker 2: You thing all right?
[1:56:54] Speaker 1: Truths all right, we'll get the next guest in here.
[1:56:57] Speaker 1: So we ran out of TikTok guests. I'm going to
[1:56:59] Speaker 1: bring somebody from our YouTube queue.
[1:57:02] Speaker 3: Bert.
[1:57:02] Speaker 1: You'll be able to hear the guest on YouTube, but
[1:57:04] Speaker 1: you won't be able to communicate to the guest on
[1:57:06] Speaker 1: YouTube unfortunately.
[1:57:07] Speaker 7: Okay, so I have another app open as well, so
[1:57:12] Speaker 7: I'll be able to listen on YouTube, and I'll be
[1:57:15] Speaker 7: on mute. I'll be on mute, but I won't I
[1:57:16] Speaker 7: won't contribute unless I really feel that sure.
[1:57:20] Speaker 1: Sure, yeah, all right, we're going to get Scott in
[1:57:24] Speaker 1: the box. How are you doing, Scott.
[1:57:28] Speaker 2: Good?
[1:57:29] Speaker 12: How are you? Can you hear me doing good?
[1:57:30] Speaker 2: Yeah? I can hear you?
[1:57:31] Speaker 6: Can you hear me?
[1:57:33] Speaker 2: Yes?
[1:57:34] Speaker 7: Yeah?
[1:57:34] Speaker 1: Awesome, Scott are at least eighteen And are you a believer?
[1:57:39] Speaker 12: Yes I am, and yes I am awesome.
[1:57:42] Speaker 2: And why should I trust the Bible?
[1:57:48] Speaker 12: I don't know if you're gonna want it from me,
[1:57:52] Speaker 12: because I do believe that a majority of the Bible.
[1:57:58] Speaker 12: I haven't read all of it. I haven't read majority
[1:58:00] Speaker 12: of it, but I find myself disagreeing with at least
[1:58:04] Speaker 12: a literal interpretation of much of it. And I think
[1:58:08] Speaker 12: some of that boils down to is that I disagree
[1:58:11] Speaker 12: with what books were chosen for the Bible. But I
[1:58:14] Speaker 12: do believe in almost all the New Testament and at
[1:58:18] Speaker 12: least everything that Jesus taught.
[1:58:21] Speaker 1: Do you think that Noah was real?
[1:58:26] Speaker 12: I don't think so. I it's it's it's hard for
[1:58:29] Speaker 12: me to say, because I'm not an expert. I'm not
[1:58:32] Speaker 12: an expert on the Biblical I do believe that Moses
[1:58:36] Speaker 12: was a historical figure, but for the figures that appear
[1:58:41] Speaker 12: in Genesis, it's it's it's pretty difficult for anyone to
[1:58:45] Speaker 12: you know, I can't prove it, which is really I
[1:58:47] Speaker 12: think what we're trying to debate.
[1:58:49] Speaker 2: Here, well, it seems that Jesus was.
[1:58:56] Speaker 3: Right.
[1:58:56] Speaker 12: So if I'm not sure what passages you're diferencing.
[1:59:01] Speaker 2: There's a couple of them.
[1:59:02] Speaker 1: I go to Matthew twenty four for me and go
[1:59:04] Speaker 1: to verse thirty six, talks about Jesus's second coming, which
[1:59:08] Speaker 1: he failed, by the way, says, but about the day
[1:59:11] Speaker 1: and hour no one knows, neither the angels of heaven
[1:59:14] Speaker 1: nor the Son, but only the Father. For as the
[1:59:16] Speaker 1: days of Noah were, so will be the coming of
[1:59:20] Speaker 1: the Son of Man. For as in the days before
[1:59:22] Speaker 1: the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving
[1:59:27] Speaker 1: in marriage until the day that Noah entered the ark,
[1:59:29] Speaker 1: and they knew nothing until the flood came and swept
[1:59:32] Speaker 1: them all away, so too will be the coming of
[1:59:35] Speaker 1: the Son of Man.
[1:59:41] Speaker 12: Okay, well, I'll.
[1:59:46] Speaker 3: For it.
[1:59:47] Speaker 12: I don't know the any historical evidence of Noah. I
[1:59:50] Speaker 12: know that the flood myth is seen in many many religions,
[1:59:55] Speaker 12: so I do believe that the flood happened. I don't
[1:59:58] Speaker 12: know exactly the existence of the arc or where the
[2:00:03] Speaker 12: water level went, other than evidence showing I think, basically,
[2:00:07] Speaker 12: the as far as I could say, stuff that I
[2:00:10] Speaker 12: know is the rising sea levels showing aquatic life fossils
[2:00:15] Speaker 12: of aquatic life that reach up to high altitudes on
[2:00:19] Speaker 12: mountains is the only thing that I could really posit
[2:00:23] Speaker 12: for that, But you know, I'm not an archaeologist or anything.
[2:00:26] Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, So my understanding of the fossils on the
[2:00:30] Speaker 1: mountaintops are that this is a product of mountain ranges
[2:00:34] Speaker 1: that were once underwater. So the mountain ranges as you
[2:00:37] Speaker 1: see them today weren't always mountain ranges. There are product
[2:00:41] Speaker 1: of tectonic plate shifting. So when you have a tectonic
[2:00:45] Speaker 1: plate shift that was once underwater and then is no
[2:00:48] Speaker 1: longer underwater, then you get marine life near the top
[2:00:52] Speaker 1: of the rock that was lifted up.
[2:00:56] Speaker 12: Great, okay, yeah, that's also definitely a possible explanation. It
[2:01:01] Speaker 12: is interesting. I don't know the translation you're using, you know,
[2:01:05] Speaker 12: for Noah, I you know, I'm not going to take
[2:01:07] Speaker 12: a stance either way, because that is that is that
[2:01:11] Speaker 12: is just about as early Genesis as you can get.
[2:01:14] Speaker 12: But for as for you know, Jesus referencing other stories
[2:01:22] Speaker 12: in the Bible, I'm part of part of what you
[2:01:26] Speaker 12: were talking about before is calling Jesus a liar and
[2:01:29] Speaker 12: a false prophet. Which I'm not exactly what lies you're
[2:01:35] Speaker 12: referencing that he broke or promises.
[2:01:38] Speaker 1: I made well a couple of things. One he said
[2:01:42] Speaker 1: he was a messiah, but he actually wasn't the Messiah.
[2:01:44] Speaker 1: Number two, he said that he was going to come
[2:01:46] Speaker 1: back within the lifetime of his disciples.
[2:01:47] Speaker 2: And then he didn't do it.
[2:01:49] Speaker 1: And then number three, if you believe in the Gospel
[2:01:52] Speaker 1: of John, he said that he's basically equal with God.
[2:01:57] Speaker 12: Yeah, I do believe that he's equal with God the
[2:02:02] Speaker 12: sort of Catholic And I guess the way that Trivium
[2:02:06] Speaker 12: or the Holy Trinity works is kind of.
[2:02:12] Speaker 2: The way that I see it.
[2:02:13] Speaker 12: I don't know if you're probably more of a biblical
[2:02:15] Speaker 12: expert than I am, but I always saw the Holy
[2:02:20] Speaker 12: Spirit being referenced is not separate from God, but of
[2:02:25] Speaker 12: more of anytime the Holy Spirit is reference God. But
[2:02:29] Speaker 12: I also, I have heard the argument before of the
[2:02:33] Speaker 12: lifetime of my disciples. I see that as more of
[2:02:37] Speaker 12: the lifetime of Christianity as a whole, which so far
[2:02:40] Speaker 12: two thousand years and counting, or you know, give or take.
[2:02:46] Speaker 1: He didn't say it Christianity. He says, the son of
[2:02:50] Speaker 1: Man is to come with his angels in the glory
[2:02:52] Speaker 1: of his Father, and then he will repay everybody for
[2:02:55] Speaker 1: what has been done. Truly, I tell you, there are
[2:02:57] Speaker 1: some standing here. As he's talking to his disciples, he says,
[2:03:01] Speaker 1: there is some standing here who will not taste death
[2:03:03] Speaker 1: before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.
[2:03:06] Speaker 1: Says the same thing in Matthew ten twenty three and
[2:03:09] Speaker 1: Matthew twenty four thirty four.
[2:03:20] Speaker 12: I don't know how to respond to that. I always
[2:03:23] Speaker 12: I always heard, well, at least the way that I
[2:03:27] Speaker 12: interpreted it was that the gift of eternal life was
[2:03:30] Speaker 12: in heaven and the Kingdom of God rather than physically
[2:03:33] Speaker 12: on earth.
[2:03:35] Speaker 1: Yeah, but that doesn't address what the verse says. The
[2:03:38] Speaker 1: verse says that some of the people are standing there
[2:03:40] Speaker 1: listening to him won't pass away before he comes again.
[2:03:47] Speaker 12: Well, they won't pass away on earth or well, I
[2:03:51] Speaker 12: guess you could interpret that as you like. But passing
[2:03:56] Speaker 12: away I don't know the translation. If you know the
[2:03:59] Speaker 12: Hebrew translation for that to be literally interpreted as you know,
[2:04:03] Speaker 12: passing away of your physical body on earth, then.
[2:04:06] Speaker 1: Well it's in Greek. Yeah, I agree, But yeah, it
[2:04:11] Speaker 1: can't be referring to the second death because the second
[2:04:14] Speaker 1: death happens after the second Coming, and according to the
[2:04:16] Speaker 1: Book of Revelation, so it has to be referring to
[2:04:19] Speaker 1: the physical death.
[2:04:24] Speaker 12: Well, I guess you have me be there on that point.
[2:04:28] Speaker 12: I don't know. I guess I do have to study
[2:04:31] Speaker 12: the Bible further, which you know is a shortcoming of mind.
[2:04:35] Speaker 2: I don't know if you want to allow any.
[2:04:38] Speaker 12: Can we have two guests at a time or because
[2:04:41] Speaker 12: you know, I waited for a long time. I don't
[2:04:43] Speaker 12: know however many people. But there's somebody by the name
[2:04:46] Speaker 12: of Vi Benard who I know has been waiting almost
[2:04:49] Speaker 12: an hour. If you're going through the YouTube guests.
[2:04:51] Speaker 2: Now, yeah, let me see.
[2:04:53] Speaker 1: I see Ian, and I see Chris, and I see
[2:04:56] Speaker 1: somebody else named Black Jesus Christ. Actually it says black
[2:05:02] Speaker 1: black Jesus Christ herself in the flesh. I don't see
[2:05:05] Speaker 1: the person.
[2:05:06] Speaker 12: Am I able to defer to them without like leaving
[2:05:08] Speaker 12: the call? Or is that possible or not?
[2:05:10] Speaker 1: I mean I could bring multiple people on at a time,
[2:05:12] Speaker 1: but they've got to be in the in the guest queue,
[2:05:14] Speaker 1: you know what I mean?
[2:05:16] Speaker 12: Okay, I don't know.
[2:05:19] Speaker 2: Uh, ask you about the lawyer's prayer. I was wonderful.
[2:05:24] Speaker 12: Here's something I just wanted to share it. There was
[2:05:26] Speaker 12: one comment that you were stumped by. It was where's
[2:05:29] Speaker 12: your Moses now? And yeah, and I think that was
[2:05:31] Speaker 12: supposed to be like from the Cecil B to Mill
[2:05:35] Speaker 12: ten Commandments Edward G. Robinson, So where's your God now, Moses? Yeah,
[2:05:41] Speaker 12: Like I didn't get this was like nineteen twenties gangster
[2:05:44] Speaker 12: accent and ancient Egypt. But anyway, I was I was
[2:05:49] Speaker 12: chomping at the bit to relay what that reference was.
[2:05:52] Speaker 12: I think you're right, but uh, I don't. Uh yeah,
[2:05:59] Speaker 12: if we were gonna start going into Cecil B Demill's
[2:06:02] Speaker 12: version of the Bible, then this would be an hour
[2:06:04] Speaker 12: long call. But I don't know was there any was
[2:06:09] Speaker 12: there anything I was talking about?
[2:06:12] Speaker 4: Well?
[2:06:12] Speaker 12: What other broken promises? Other men? Jesus coming back? You
[2:06:15] Speaker 12: call him a liar?
[2:06:16] Speaker 3: And uh.
[2:06:18] Speaker 1: Yeah, well we can start.
[2:06:20] Speaker 12: I take I take a little. I'm going to leave
[2:06:23] Speaker 12: the room. Those dogs are pretty loud. Is there are
[2:06:28] Speaker 12: there any other examples you can provide?
[2:06:30] Speaker 3: Yeah?
[2:06:31] Speaker 1: Have you read Isaiah sixty one before?
[2:06:35] Speaker 17: Is that?
[2:06:36] Speaker 12: I'm sure that deals with the coming of the Messiah,
[2:06:40] Speaker 12: but you know, please refresh me.
[2:06:42] Speaker 1: So in Isaiah sixty one. It actually talks about the
[2:06:45] Speaker 1: restoration of the Israelite people after the Babylonian captivity. And
[2:06:49] Speaker 1: it's been this message is being delivered by the prophet,
[2:06:53] Speaker 1: and the prophet says, the spirit of the Lord God
[2:06:55] Speaker 1: is upon me, because the Lord has anointed me, and
[2:06:57] Speaker 1: he has sent me to bring good news to the oppressed,
[2:07:00] Speaker 1: to bind up the broken hearted, to proclaim liberty to
[2:07:02] Speaker 1: the captives and release to the prisoners, to proclaim the
[2:07:06] Speaker 1: year of the Lord's favor and the day of vengeance
[2:07:08] Speaker 1: of our God. And to comfort all who mourn, to
[2:07:11] Speaker 1: provide for those who mourn in Zion, and to give
[2:07:15] Speaker 1: them a garland instead of ashes, and oil of gladness
[2:07:19] Speaker 1: instead of mourning. So who are the people that are
[2:07:21] Speaker 1: mourning in Zion? Do you know the context? I don't.
[2:07:27] Speaker 1: So the Israelite people were taken captive at this point. Actually,
[2:07:30] Speaker 1: the Judeans were taken captive by the Babylonians starting in
[2:07:34] Speaker 1: six oh five, culminating in like five eighty six, and
[2:07:39] Speaker 1: they were a captive, according to Jeremiah, for approximately seventy years.
[2:07:43] Speaker 1: And then both Jeremiah and Isaiah and other prophets are
[2:07:48] Speaker 1: prophesying about what's going to happen when they return, and
[2:07:50] Speaker 1: this is the good news. The good news is that
[2:07:52] Speaker 1: God is about to restore them. So the people that
[2:07:55] Speaker 1: are mourning in Zion over what the Babylonians did, here's
[2:07:59] Speaker 1: the good news coming to you. It says in verse four,
[2:08:02] Speaker 1: they will build up the ancient ruins, they shall raise
[2:08:05] Speaker 1: up the former devastations. They shall repair the ruined cities
[2:08:09] Speaker 1: and the devastations of many generations. So the prophecy is
[2:08:13] Speaker 1: pretty clearly about how the babylon captivity is now over
[2:08:17] Speaker 1: and it's time to rebuild Jerusalem.
[2:08:21] Speaker 6: Right, Yeah, I.
[2:08:26] Speaker 2: Think that.
[2:08:28] Speaker 12: I don't know if that promise hasn't been unfulfilled with
[2:08:33] Speaker 12: how how the extent of the church, both the religions
[2:08:39] Speaker 12: of Judaism and Christianity thriving. I don't know if you're
[2:08:43] Speaker 12: talking about physically the structures of Mount Zion being restored
[2:08:49] Speaker 12: exactly as they were or.
[2:08:53] Speaker 20: Some of that.
[2:08:53] Speaker 12: Some of that honestly did go over my head.
[2:08:56] Speaker 1: Right, So we'll get there. So the initial question was
[2:08:59] Speaker 1: things that Jesus light about. So there's a prophecy in
[2:09:02] Speaker 1: the Old Testament about how they're going to rebuild the
[2:09:06] Speaker 1: ruined cities that were devastated.
[2:09:09] Speaker 2: By the Babylonians.
[2:09:10] Speaker 1: Now when we go to Luke chapter four, we find
[2:09:13] Speaker 1: this prophecy completely appropriated. Jesus gets the scroll of the
[2:09:18] Speaker 1: Prophet Isaiah while he's in the synagogue. Will start in
[2:09:21] Speaker 1: verse seventeen. So this is Luke four seventeen. The scroll
[2:09:24] Speaker 1: of the Prophet Isaiah was given to him. He unrolled
[2:09:26] Speaker 1: the scroll and found the place where it is written,
[2:09:29] Speaker 1: The spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he
[2:09:31] Speaker 1: has anointed me to bring good news to the poor.
[2:09:33] Speaker 1: He has sent me to proclaim release to the captives,
[2:09:36] Speaker 1: and recovery of sight to the blind, and to set
[2:09:39] Speaker 1: free those who are oppressed, and to proclaim the year
[2:09:41] Speaker 1: of the Lord's favor. He rolled up the scroll, gave
[2:09:43] Speaker 1: it back to the attendant, and sat down, and the
[2:09:46] Speaker 1: eyes of all the synagogue were fixed on him, and
[2:09:48] Speaker 1: he began to say to them, today, this scripture has
[2:09:52] Speaker 1: been fulfilled in your hearing. But there's no way that
[2:09:55] Speaker 1: scripture could have been fulfilled in their hearing that day,
[2:09:57] Speaker 1: because the scripture wasn't about Jesus or a Messiah. It
[2:10:01] Speaker 1: was actually about the rebuilding of the ruins of Jerusalem,
[2:10:04] Speaker 1: which didn't happen in Jesus' lifetime, and Jerusalem got devastated
[2:10:08] Speaker 1: shortly after Jesus died.
[2:10:12] Speaker 12: Well, I mean, it is true that at the time
[2:10:14] Speaker 12: of Jesus' existing here on earth, that Jerusalem was under
[2:10:21] Speaker 12: oppression by Rome. And it is within one hundred years
[2:10:25] Speaker 12: pretty much, you know, you could say that it happened
[2:10:29] Speaker 12: a little bit later, but pretty much the fall of
[2:10:31] Speaker 12: the Roman Empire, which allowed you know, the cultures in
[2:10:36] Speaker 12: the Middle East to you know, thrive a little bit
[2:10:38] Speaker 12: before being takeover taken over by other empires. But that
[2:10:43] Speaker 12: promise was fulfilled for the fall of the current force
[2:10:47] Speaker 12: of oppression in Jerusalem at the time contemporarily to when
[2:10:51] Speaker 12: Jesus was speaking, not.
[2:10:52] Speaker 1: Even close In seventy a d. So thirty years almost
[2:10:56] Speaker 1: after Jesus died, the Romans ransacked Jerusalem, destroyed the Temple,
[2:11:01] Speaker 1: and then in one thirty two to one thirty six
[2:11:05] Speaker 1: they went even further. There was another revolt under the
[2:11:08] Speaker 1: leadership of Barkokva. So this is one hundred years now
[2:11:11] Speaker 1: after Jesus and the Romans had finally had enough of
[2:11:14] Speaker 1: the Jewish nonsense and they drove all the Jews out
[2:11:17] Speaker 1: of the land.
[2:11:18] Speaker 2: They outlawed Jewish writing, and.
[2:11:20] Speaker 1: They literally renamed the land of Israel and called it
[2:11:24] Speaker 1: Palestina as an insult to the Jewish people. So not
[2:11:28] Speaker 1: only did they destroy the.
[2:11:29] Speaker 12: Whole that didn't really work out?
[2:11:33] Speaker 2: What that.
[2:11:35] Speaker 12: Well, that those laws didn't really work out. They didn't
[2:11:38] Speaker 12: you know, destroy the Jewish culture or the use of
[2:11:42] Speaker 12: Hebrew as a language. They outlawed it. But you know,
[2:11:45] Speaker 12: Judaism still reigned supreme, you know, the Roman religions which
[2:11:51] Speaker 12: were being practiced, not in Jerusalem as far as I know,
[2:11:56] Speaker 12: but at least in Rome those have died off. And
[2:12:01] Speaker 12: the same cannot be said for Judeo Christian beliefs.
[2:12:04] Speaker 1: Yeah, we're not about beliefs though, we're talking about whether
[2:12:07] Speaker 1: or not the ancient ruins of Jerusalem were rebuilt during
[2:12:11] Speaker 1: Jesus's time period. They were not only not rebuilt, but
[2:12:15] Speaker 1: they were further devastated within the proximity of his actual
[2:12:19] Speaker 1: time period. So it's not about a messiah. Jesus is
[2:12:27] Speaker 1: reappropriating the prophecy to be about him, but it's actually
[2:12:30] Speaker 1: not about him at all, I think, Scott Froze.
[2:12:39] Speaker 12: No, I don't know how to respond to that. I
[2:12:42] Speaker 12: don't know. Do you think, do you think it's about
[2:12:45] Speaker 12: somebody else other than Jesus.
[2:12:47] Speaker 1: It's not about an individual at all. It's not even
[2:12:49] Speaker 1: about a person. It's about how God is saying the
[2:12:53] Speaker 1: devastations of the Jerusalem people after the Babylonian conquest are
[2:12:58] Speaker 1: going to be rebuilt. Has nothing to do with Jesus
[2:13:00] Speaker 1: time period whatsoever.
[2:13:06] Speaker 12: Well, I know, I know for a fact that the
[2:13:10] Speaker 12: temple or maybe maybe it's a different word for temple
[2:13:13] Speaker 12: that was translated Isaiah would have been written in Hebrew,
[2:13:18] Speaker 12: that the New Testament would have been in Greek? Right,
[2:13:20] Speaker 12: Am I correct there?
[2:13:21] Speaker 3: Yeah?
[2:13:22] Speaker 12: Okay, But I don't know. I don't know the difference
[2:13:25] Speaker 12: between the use of the word temple in that context.
[2:13:29] Speaker 12: But I think that the rebuilding of the temple was
[2:13:32] Speaker 12: a promise that was fulfilled.
[2:13:36] Speaker 1: Where we're talking about it's not been.
[2:13:38] Speaker 12: Rebuilt, I don't know. I don't know how you can
[2:13:44] Speaker 12: say that.
[2:13:45] Speaker 2: The temple has not been rebuilt since it was destroyed
[2:13:47] Speaker 2: in one thirty six.
[2:13:53] Speaker 12: It was destroyed in specific temple, that specific temple in
[2:13:57] Speaker 12: Zion are you talking about.
[2:13:58] Speaker 1: Yeah, the temple was destroyed seventy and then it was
[2:14:01] Speaker 1: further desecrated in one thirty six and it's never been rebuilt.
[2:14:05] Speaker 12: Yet, so it was further desecrated. It was not rebuilt.
[2:14:11] Speaker 12: They destroyed it, and then they came back and they
[2:14:13] Speaker 12: destroyed it more.
[2:14:14] Speaker 1: Yeah, they came back and they set up a statue
[2:14:17] Speaker 1: of Zeus on what was left of it, and.
[2:14:24] Speaker 12: They destroyed theue of Zeus or what exactly did that
[2:14:28] Speaker 12: after they destroyed everything. I mean, I don't know. I
[2:14:31] Speaker 12: don't know exactly even what temple you're talking about. I'll
[2:14:34] Speaker 12: I'll defer this maybe to somebody else who knows. I
[2:14:37] Speaker 12: actually probably gotta get going in the next nine or
[2:14:40] Speaker 12: ten minutes.
[2:14:41] Speaker 1: But well, let's go over another really important This is
[2:14:45] Speaker 1: a lie that Matthew gives, not Jesus, but I think
[2:14:49] Speaker 1: it's relevant to our conversation. In Matthew twenty one, we
[2:14:52] Speaker 1: have an interesting text when Jesus is riding a donkey,
[2:14:56] Speaker 1: and it says about this event, this took place to
[2:15:01] Speaker 1: fulfill what had been spoken through the prophet, tell the
[2:15:04] Speaker 1: daughter of Zion, Look, your king comes to you, humble
[2:15:07] Speaker 1: and mounted on a donkey, and on a cult the
[2:15:10] Speaker 1: fall of a donkey. So they're suggesting when Jesus wrote
[2:15:14] Speaker 1: the donkey, he was fulfilling a prophecy.
[2:15:16] Speaker 12: Right, I don't know if it's necessarily suggesting that. What
[2:15:23] Speaker 12: part about that? Maybe I miss Maybe I missed something
[2:15:26] Speaker 12: you heard, right?
[2:15:27] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[2:15:28] Speaker 1: In Matthew twenty one to four, when he rides the
[2:15:30] Speaker 1: donkey in Jerusalem, it says this took place to fulfill
[2:15:34] Speaker 1: what had been spoken through the prophet, which means writing
[2:15:38] Speaker 1: the donkey is fulfilling a prophecy, right.
[2:15:42] Speaker 2: I think.
[2:15:43] Speaker 12: I think writing the donkey is making a parallel to
[2:15:46] Speaker 12: that the Son of God came in the form of man.
[2:15:50] Speaker 12: He's a commoner, I don't. I believe that's part of
[2:15:53] Speaker 12: the one of the prophecies of Isaiah. That's really the
[2:15:57] Speaker 12: only book that references the prophecy of the Messiah that
[2:16:01] Speaker 12: I know of. I'm sure there's more a bunch of them,
[2:16:03] Speaker 12: But in Isaiah, I know there are a bunch of them.
[2:16:07] Speaker 12: That's really the only one I'm familiar with.
[2:16:08] Speaker 2: But we're gonna read one right now. I'm quite sure.
[2:16:12] Speaker 1: So Matthew is quoting what is largely considered a Messianic prophecy,
[2:16:16] Speaker 1: not by everyone, but by some people. And the quotation
[2:16:21] Speaker 1: comes from Zachariah nine, where it says, look, your King
[2:16:24] Speaker 1: comes to you humble and mounted on a donkey on
[2:16:27] Speaker 1: a cult the fall of a donkey. So when he
[2:16:28] Speaker 1: says that Jesus rode the donkey to fulfill what was
[2:16:31] Speaker 1: spoken by the prophet, he's suggesting that Zacharia and nine
[2:16:35] Speaker 1: to nine, which is a prophecy, was fulfilled when Jesus
[2:16:39] Speaker 1: rode the donkey. But if you go to Matthew nine
[2:16:42] Speaker 1: to nine and just read it, it's actually really clear
[2:16:45] Speaker 1: that this is a lie too. It says in verses
[2:16:48] Speaker 1: nine and ten, rejoice, gritly, old daughter Zion. Shout aloud,
[2:16:51] Speaker 1: o daughter Jerusalem, see your king comes to you, triumphant
[2:16:55] Speaker 1: in victorious? Is he humble and riding on a donkey
[2:16:58] Speaker 1: on a cult the full of a donkey. So the
[2:17:01] Speaker 1: first problem is he was never a king. But look
[2:17:03] Speaker 1: at what it says in verse ten. He will cut
[2:17:05] Speaker 1: off the chariot for me for you, I mean the
[2:17:06] Speaker 1: war horse from Jerusalem, and the battle bow shall be
[2:17:10] Speaker 1: cut off, and he shall command peace to the nations,
[2:17:12] Speaker 1: and his dominion shall be from sea to sea, from
[2:17:15] Speaker 1: the river to the ends of the earth. No way
[2:17:17] Speaker 1: this was fulfilled in Jesus. This is just an out
[2:17:20] Speaker 1: of context quotation of an actual prophecy that he never fulfilled.
[2:17:26] Speaker 12: Well, I I think it's nippicking to say that he
[2:17:30] Speaker 12: wasn't a king.
[2:17:32] Speaker 2: When was he ever a king?
[2:17:33] Speaker 12: I mean somebody? I mean he was crowned the King
[2:17:38] Speaker 12: of the Jews with a crown of thorns do kings, No,
[2:17:45] Speaker 12: kings do not wear though they were crowned the king
[2:17:48] Speaker 12: by the Romans, they as a because he was being
[2:17:52] Speaker 12: called the King of the Jews.
[2:17:54] Speaker 1: They were mocking him to his face. They weren't crowning him. Yes,
[2:17:57] Speaker 1: they were mocking him. Okay, so it's not splitting hairs.
[2:18:01] Speaker 1: A king actually sits on the throne and wears a crown.
[2:18:04] Speaker 1: Jesus never sat on the throne, and the only crown
[2:18:06] Speaker 1: he ever had was to make fun of him for
[2:18:08] Speaker 1: not being a king.
[2:18:10] Speaker 12: Well, Jesus sits on the throne at the right hand
[2:18:12] Speaker 12: of God.
[2:18:13] Speaker 1: But no Joseph Smith does.
[2:18:15] Speaker 3: I don't know.
[2:18:16] Speaker 12: I don't know how you can I.
[2:18:20] Speaker 1: Take unfalsifiable claims is nonsense. It won't work here just
[2:18:24] Speaker 1: saying well, he's a king because I said he's a king,
[2:18:26] Speaker 1: and the proof of it is that I said. So,
[2:18:29] Speaker 1: he's up there in the clouds right now, sitting at
[2:18:31] Speaker 1: the right hand of God. That's adorable that you think
[2:18:33] Speaker 1: he was. I could say that about anybody. I could
[2:18:35] Speaker 1: say that about Lord Marduke, I could say that about
[2:18:38] Speaker 1: Rocky Balboa. I mean, there's not a single individual that's
[2:18:42] Speaker 1: ever lived. I couldn't say it about.
[2:18:45] Speaker 20: Well.
[2:18:45] Speaker 12: I don't think that's true, because there are there are
[2:18:49] Speaker 12: actual groups of people, including the Romans and the Jews
[2:18:53] Speaker 12: in Jerusalem at that time, who referenced him as king.
[2:18:57] Speaker 12: He was known as king, and whether or not that's true,
[2:19:00] Speaker 12: simply because of the prophecy that those people believed. It
[2:19:03] Speaker 12: was widely believed that he was king by the Romans,
[2:19:07] Speaker 12: not to the point where it would be a specific reference, and.
[2:19:10] Speaker 3: That is a lie.
[2:19:11] Speaker 12: The Romans didn't believe it. The Romans did not believe it,
[2:19:14] Speaker 12: but the fact that they referenced him being the king
[2:19:17] Speaker 12: of the Jews.
[2:19:18] Speaker 1: They made fun of him, I think not being a
[2:19:20] Speaker 1: king because the Jews were waiting for a king. That's
[2:19:24] Speaker 1: what it means to be the Messiah. So Jewish people,
[2:19:28] Speaker 1: his followers wanted him to be the king. But wanting
[2:19:32] Speaker 1: someone to be the king, does it make you the king?
[2:19:34] Speaker 1: There was actually a king on the throne while Jesus
[2:19:36] Speaker 1: was alive.
[2:19:38] Speaker 12: Yeah, King Herod, I am aware. I know that he
[2:19:41] Speaker 12: was not physically king of any plot of land. I
[2:19:46] Speaker 12: know that he was not physically king of the plot
[2:19:48] Speaker 12: of any land.
[2:19:50] Speaker 2: If somebody was.
[2:19:52] Speaker 12: There, you go, I don't see how you can say
[2:19:56] Speaker 12: that this entire prophecy hinges on whether he was literally
[2:19:59] Speaker 12: a king.
[2:20:00] Speaker 1: It actually does, because the prophecy says, your king comes
[2:20:04] Speaker 1: to you, not just your king, but he's going to
[2:20:06] Speaker 1: be triumphant and victorious. How is he going to be
[2:20:09] Speaker 1: triumphant and victorious. He's going to cut off the war
[2:20:12] Speaker 1: horse from Jerusalem and the battle bow. He's going to
[2:20:16] Speaker 1: end the war in the carnage and bring about the
[2:20:19] Speaker 1: era of peace, and his kingdom is going to be
[2:20:22] Speaker 1: across the entire world. He didn't do any of that.
[2:20:28] Speaker 12: Well, he did bring peace, at least amongst Jews.
[2:20:33] Speaker 3: No.
[2:20:34] Speaker 12: One example that I can bring is well, one example
[2:20:37] Speaker 12: that I could bring to you is that, you know,
[2:20:41] Speaker 12: take this as you will, because I know you'll probably
[2:20:44] Speaker 12: say that Paul just had a hallucination out in the desert.
[2:20:48] Speaker 12: But when the spirit of Jesus came to Paul in
[2:20:50] Speaker 12: the desert, he was, you know, well known historically. Well,
[2:20:53] Speaker 12: I mean, I don't know if he was well known,
[2:20:55] Speaker 12: but he is known to be historically as somebody who
[2:20:59] Speaker 12: was killed. Paul Saul, Yeah, the you know, thirty thirty
[2:21:04] Speaker 12: some forty years after Jesus, he was killing other Jews
[2:21:09] Speaker 12: for their belief in Jesus as the Savior and as
[2:21:12] Speaker 12: the Messiah according to Ask Jesus's revelation. According to Acts, yes, well,
[2:21:18] Speaker 12: and I believe historically no was. Do you think that
[2:21:22] Speaker 12: Paul was not somebody who was going around killing Jews
[2:21:26] Speaker 12: for their belief in Jesus.
[2:21:28] Speaker 1: Not only do I not believe that, I think the
[2:21:30] Speaker 1: claim is actually a lie. For example, in Acts twenty two,
[2:21:33] Speaker 1: it says that he was given papers from the Sanhedron
[2:21:36] Speaker 1: to go out and round up these Christians. But we've
[2:21:39] Speaker 1: got writings from the Sanhedrin even about Jesus's time period,
[2:21:43] Speaker 1: and no such proclamation exists in the writings of the
[2:21:46] Speaker 1: Sanhedrin that they were giving out papers of authority to
[2:21:49] Speaker 1: people of their own people to go out and round
[2:21:52] Speaker 1: up the Christians.
[2:21:58] Speaker 12: I is that historical evidence. I don't know what the
[2:22:02] Speaker 12: papers of the Sanahedron that were found proclaim or how
[2:22:07] Speaker 12: they refute that.
[2:22:08] Speaker 1: What I'm saying.
[2:22:09] Speaker 12: I mean, I'm not going to say. I'm not going
[2:22:11] Speaker 12: to pretend that Acts is a fully flawless book. It
[2:22:15] Speaker 12: does talk about the death of Judas and a couple
[2:22:18] Speaker 12: of things that certainly don't align with some of the
[2:22:21] Speaker 12: ways they were told in the Gospel. But I do
[2:22:25] Speaker 12: believe that some of the Bible as it was written
[2:22:29] Speaker 12: by men is definitely flawed, and even the selection of
[2:22:31] Speaker 12: the books of the Bible is flawed, probably by people
[2:22:35] Speaker 12: in the Council of Nicea who were trying to push
[2:22:38] Speaker 12: for their own agenda more or less. But you mean,
[2:22:41] Speaker 12: I know that all of yes, I mean the early
[2:22:44] Speaker 12: Christians around three hundred and twenty a d. I don't
[2:22:48] Speaker 12: know if it was Constantinople or the emperor before or
[2:22:51] Speaker 12: after him, tried to bring a council of monks from
[2:22:56] Speaker 12: all over the Roman world that time to decide on
[2:23:01] Speaker 12: what books would be essentially canon. And they were all
[2:23:05] Speaker 12: books that were accepted by some form of Jews or
[2:23:11] Speaker 12: Christians at that time. It's not like they just randomly
[2:23:14] Speaker 12: selected Leviticus just because it, you know, worked in their favor.
[2:23:18] Speaker 12: But I mean, Leviticus is part of the pentuoc or
[2:23:24] Speaker 12: well anyway anyway, Pentateuch, but do you think women should
[2:23:30] Speaker 12: be I'm not going to say that.
[2:23:32] Speaker 6: I'm not a night.
[2:23:34] Speaker 12: No, I don't believe in that.
[2:23:36] Speaker 1: I'm just curious Jesus does.
[2:23:41] Speaker 12: Jesus does well. I would actually like to see This
[2:23:45] Speaker 12: will probably have to be the last thing that I
[2:23:48] Speaker 12: talk about, but I would like to see where you
[2:23:51] Speaker 12: think that Jesus is advocating for that practice.
[2:23:54] Speaker 1: Is Jesus God?
[2:23:58] Speaker 12: I believe that Jesus is God. He he at least
[2:24:01] Speaker 12: if he is not God, he is the son of
[2:24:04] Speaker 12: God or imbued with the essence of God, more than
[2:24:08] Speaker 12: any man who has ever lived or walked the earth.
[2:24:11] Speaker 1: Okay, So when God gave the commandments, I.
[2:24:13] Speaker 12: Can't provide I can't provide evidence that he is when
[2:24:17] Speaker 12: God gave the commandments.
[2:24:19] Speaker 1: When God gave the commandments to Moses, was Jesus God then?
[2:24:24] Speaker 4: Yes?
[2:24:25] Speaker 1: Okay, So then Jesus approves of the commandments of Moses.
[2:24:30] Speaker 7: Yes?
[2:24:30] Speaker 2: Cool.
[2:24:31] Speaker 12: Well, I don't know. I don't know exactly what commandments
[2:24:35] Speaker 12: of Moses other than the ten Commandments.
[2:24:37] Speaker 1: Well, there's no division in the commands of Moses. That
[2:24:41] Speaker 1: that's something that Christians dream up. There's no such thing.
[2:24:44] Speaker 1: As you should follow the ten and not the other
[2:24:45] Speaker 1: six hundred and eleven. But the passage I'm referring to.
[2:24:50] Speaker 12: Is you're talking about Leviticus as the you're talking about
[2:24:53] Speaker 12: Leviticus as the other six hundred some.
[2:24:56] Speaker 1: No, Leviticus only contains like probably one hundred laws, maybe
[2:24:59] Speaker 1: two hundred I don't know.
[2:25:01] Speaker 12: Okay, Well, anyway, hundreds of other commandments from that same
[2:25:06] Speaker 12: era from Jesus. So those are what you're talking about.
[2:25:10] Speaker 12: Are the commandments of Moses?
[2:25:13] Speaker 2: Yeah, given by Jesus?
[2:25:18] Speaker 1: All right, read you read it?
[2:25:21] Speaker 12: Yeah, I'll read it.
[2:25:22] Speaker 6: I don't.
[2:25:22] Speaker 12: I don't know exactly what you're saying. Do you think
[2:25:25] Speaker 12: that Leviticus was handed down directly from God? Do you
[2:25:28] Speaker 12: think that all of those were written by God and
[2:25:31] Speaker 12: whispered directly into Moses's ear?
[2:25:34] Speaker 1: I don't, But your book says it was. So is
[2:25:36] Speaker 1: it is your book lying?
[2:25:40] Speaker 20: No?
[2:25:41] Speaker 2: I don't.
[2:25:41] Speaker 12: I don't believe that. I don't. I don't believe in
[2:25:44] Speaker 12: many of the laws that appear in the Book of Leviticus.
[2:25:46] Speaker 1: Okay, So Leviticus is a lie.
[2:25:51] Speaker 12: I don't know if it's a lie, but it's more
[2:25:53] Speaker 12: of a snapshot of the culture at that time. And
[2:25:56] Speaker 12: I think of that a lot of a lot of
[2:25:59] Speaker 12: the culture of that time was appropriated into teachings that
[2:26:03] Speaker 12: align with a true morality and with the commandments that
[2:26:06] Speaker 12: God does want you to follow. So I think those.
[2:26:09] Speaker 1: Thinkus said that God spoke the laws on Mount sin I.
[2:26:13] Speaker 1: Did that actually happen?
[2:26:16] Speaker 2: Right? Yeah?
[2:26:16] Speaker 12: Leviticus, No, I don't know. I have no proof, So
[2:26:21] Speaker 12: it wouldn't be worth me arguing that God gave those
[2:26:24] Speaker 12: commandments on Mount SINAI. I also couldn't, you know, say
[2:26:27] Speaker 12: for anything that is going to happen in revelations, I
[2:26:30] Speaker 12: can't speak for that.
[2:26:31] Speaker 1: To me, that's uh, Jesus, the laws came from God?
[2:26:35] Speaker 12: Improbable? Okay, I would like to see the passage that
[2:26:41] Speaker 12: references Jesus. Is Jesus talking about uh, the I don't
[2:26:46] Speaker 12: know if a woman doesn't bleed on her wedding night?
[2:26:48] Speaker 12: What exactly was it that Jesus said?
[2:26:51] Speaker 1: So, if a woman doesn't bleed on her wedding night, she's.
[2:26:53] Speaker 12: To be stoned, all right, So where did Jesus say that?
[2:26:59] Speaker 1: UD twenty two, That's what I'm trying to tell you.
[2:27:02] Speaker 12: Well, I don't think that that was Jesus talking in
[2:27:05] Speaker 12: Deuteronomy twenty two.
[2:27:06] Speaker 1: Okay, so Jesus is not God.
[2:27:10] Speaker 12: No, I do believe that Jesus is God.
[2:27:12] Speaker 1: Okay, did twenty two Deuteronomy twenty two come from God?
[2:27:18] Speaker 12: You would have to show it to me. But if
[2:27:20] Speaker 12: it's talking about a woman that should be stoned if
[2:27:23] Speaker 12: she doesn't believe on her wedding night, then I would
[2:27:25] Speaker 12: say that definitely did not come from God. That came
[2:27:28] Speaker 12: from somebody who either wrote or translated. I don't know
[2:27:32] Speaker 12: what the earliest artifact of the teachings of the Book
[2:27:36] Speaker 12: of Deuteronomy.
[2:27:37] Speaker 2: Go back to.
[2:27:38] Speaker 12: But you know, my God, my God, well, the God
[2:27:43] Speaker 12: that I believe in, would not give that as instructions.
[2:27:46] Speaker 12: So that is my basis for belief on that.
[2:27:49] Speaker 1: Okay, So you disagree with me, God, then.
[2:27:55] Speaker 12: This is where you're losing me.
[2:27:57] Speaker 2: You have to go Jesus.
[2:27:59] Speaker 1: Jesus talks about the law of Moses and thinks that
[2:28:02] Speaker 1: Moses was a real person who literally got laws from God. Says,
[2:28:06] Speaker 1: then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples
[2:28:08] Speaker 1: this in the Book of Matthew. By the way, the
[2:28:10] Speaker 1: scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses's seat. Therefore, do
[2:28:15] Speaker 1: whatever they teach you and follow it. So the scribes
[2:28:19] Speaker 1: in the Pharisees carry on the tradition of Moses as
[2:28:23] Speaker 1: the law givers. And he refers to the law. In
[2:28:26] Speaker 1: Matthew chapter five, he says the law and the prophets,
[2:28:31] Speaker 1: meaning all of the Torah and all of the prophetic books.
[2:28:35] Speaker 1: He refers to them, and he says that he didn't
[2:28:37] Speaker 1: come to abolish them. He came to fulfill them, and
[2:28:40] Speaker 1: that whoever teaches people not to follow these laws will
[2:28:43] Speaker 1: be called least in the kingdom of Heaven.
[2:28:51] Speaker 12: I think the main distinction of where we disagree is
[2:28:54] Speaker 12: that Jesus saying that I have not come to overturn
[2:28:59] Speaker 12: the laws of the Old Testament, or however he phrases it.
[2:29:07] Speaker 12: I don't I don't know if he's really talking about
[2:29:11] Speaker 12: the Old Testament. I don't know if Jesus really read
[2:29:14] Speaker 12: all of the Old Testament as we know it.
[2:29:16] Speaker 1: I know, Jesus, that Jewish rabbi, I didn't know what
[2:29:19] Speaker 1: the law of Moses was.
[2:29:24] Speaker 2: I don't.
[2:29:24] Speaker 12: I don't believe that the the whatever whatever we have
[2:29:29] Speaker 12: as the Bible now. I don't know if Jesus came
[2:29:32] Speaker 12: instilled with that now I know that he was a rabbi.
[2:29:35] Speaker 1: I know that he knew he quotes from it.
[2:29:37] Speaker 12: By surprising amount of information.
[2:29:39] Speaker 1: Jesus quotes from He quotes from what he quotes from
[2:29:42] Speaker 1: Deuteronomy and from Leviticus on multiple occasions.
[2:29:47] Speaker 12: I actually wasn't aware of that. So I do actually
[2:29:51] Speaker 12: have to go now, but I will have to look
[2:29:54] Speaker 12: into when Jesus is actually quoting directly from the book
[2:29:59] Speaker 12: of Deuteronomy and Leviticus, because I was not aware that
[2:30:01] Speaker 12: that ever happened.
[2:30:04] Speaker 1: Directly from it. Asking references what is the greatest commandment?
[2:30:09] Speaker 1: And he gives them two commandments. You remember that, and
[2:30:13] Speaker 1: the two greatest commandments.
[2:30:14] Speaker 12: Are with all your should love God above Matthew, Matthew
[2:30:21] Speaker 12: twyent all your heart, all your mind, and all your soul.
[2:30:24] Speaker 12: And that the second commandment is to love others.
[2:30:27] Speaker 1: Love your neighbors, your shelf. The first commandment comes from
[2:30:29] Speaker 1: Deuteronomy six. The second commandment comes from Leviticus nineteen.
[2:30:37] Speaker 12: See that's where I don't know if he's directly quoting.
[2:30:41] Speaker 12: I don't know if you can use that as evidence
[2:30:43] Speaker 12: that he's quoting.
[2:30:44] Speaker 1: From They ask him what is the greatest commandment? Meaning
[2:30:47] Speaker 1: the commandments of Moses. The scribes and the Pharisees are
[2:30:51] Speaker 1: the people asking him about what is the greatest commandment?
[2:30:55] Speaker 12: Yes, I do believe in those two commandments that he said.
[2:30:59] Speaker 12: I do believe those could be Yeah, I do believe
[2:31:02] Speaker 12: that those are the two greatest commandments. As Jesus said,
[2:31:05] Speaker 12: I don't believe that he in that statement, in any
[2:31:08] Speaker 12: part of that statement, was saying that he agrees with
[2:31:12] Speaker 12: everything in Leviticus, like, for example, that women should be
[2:31:16] Speaker 12: stoned on their wedding night if they do not bleed.
[2:31:18] Speaker 12: I have to go now, but I'm going to defer
[2:31:21] Speaker 12: to the next person. It's been a little frustrating, but
[2:31:25] Speaker 12: I'm glad I got the chance to speak. I hope
[2:31:27] Speaker 12: you have a good day.
[2:31:28] Speaker 1: All right, Abigo on Scott, thanks for coming up. The
[2:31:33] Speaker 1: cognitive distance was thick with that one.
[2:31:36] Speaker 3: Bert.
[2:31:36] Speaker 1: Did you get to hear that conversation. I think we
[2:31:42] Speaker 1: lost Bert there in the conversation because he was on YouTube. Guys,
[2:31:46] Speaker 1: I'm gonna read up with super chests and we'll get
[2:31:48] Speaker 1: the next guest in here. We've got some people waiting
[2:31:49] Speaker 1: to get in on the TikTok q. Eric, thank you
[2:31:53] Speaker 1: so much for the superchest says Box that kills you
[2:31:57] Speaker 1: instantly equals gift from bad God. Yeah, the Ark of
[2:32:00] Speaker 1: the Covenant is crazy and sovereign. Thank you for the supertest,
[2:32:05] Speaker 1: says God told me he hasn't spoken to Fivefold. I agree,
[2:32:09] Speaker 1: no way, he spoke to fivefold ministries and Mike. Thank
[2:32:13] Speaker 1: you so much for the superchest, says. Rabbi's neck brace
[2:32:16] Speaker 1: joke was the best rabbi joke I heard in a
[2:32:18] Speaker 1: long time. I loved that joke. And listen, nobody has
[2:32:22] Speaker 1: a sense of humor more than Jewish rabbis. If you
[2:32:24] Speaker 1: talk to Bert Tovia's singer, Oh my gosh, Tovia singer's
[2:32:28] Speaker 1: one liners are amazing.
[2:32:29] Speaker 20: By the way.
[2:32:32] Speaker 1: That being said, let me not lose track where I'm
[2:32:35] Speaker 1: at here. Sorry, I got my I got so many screens,
[2:32:40] Speaker 1: bar bar. Thank you for the superchest, says Can we
[2:32:43] Speaker 1: note that Second Kings speaks on she Bears? Yeah, we
[2:32:47] Speaker 1: talked about Second Kings earlier today. Actually it's definitely she Bears.
[2:32:51] Speaker 1: But it's weird that it mentions the kids were killed
[2:32:54] Speaker 1: by she bears rather than just bears. Why is it
[2:32:58] Speaker 1: necessary that they're she bears? It's weird they would do
[2:33:01] Speaker 1: that and Pineapple. I do know Tovia, so we're actually
[2:33:05] Speaker 1: going to be making another video this weekend. The Ghost
[2:33:08] Speaker 1: of Dan, thank you for the five hour super Chest says,
[2:33:10] Speaker 1: love what you're doing. Just found you on YouTube. Man,
[2:33:12] Speaker 1: you cook these Christians. I've been an atheist for twenty
[2:33:15] Speaker 1: five years. Keep doing the Lord's work. Well, thank you
[2:33:16] Speaker 1: so much. I appreciate that Ghost of Dan, and we
[2:33:20] Speaker 1: are going to keep cooking. And Nolan, thank you so
[2:33:22] Speaker 1: much for the ten dollars super Thanks big w to
[2:33:25] Speaker 1: Nolan and wild Man Chris. Good to see you tonight, friend,
[2:33:29] Speaker 1: He says, I got agnostics view of objective morality? Can
[2:33:33] Speaker 1: I guess and share? Well, we're I mean, just not
[2:33:36] Speaker 1: really the topic for tonight. We're talking about why the
[2:33:38] Speaker 1: Bible is trustworthy, but if you want to talk about
[2:33:40] Speaker 1: that topic, you're welcome to do so. Ben, thank you
[2:33:43] Speaker 1: so much for the ten hour super chat, says it
[2:33:45] Speaker 1: seems that Christians reference Paul more than Jesus. Whenever I
[2:33:49] Speaker 1: debate a Christian, they are always running to the letters
[2:33:52] Speaker 1: of Paul. You need to do a you follow Paul,
[2:33:55] Speaker 1: not Jesus.
[2:33:56] Speaker 20: Debate.
[2:33:56] Speaker 1: I would love to. I don't have all my notes
[2:33:59] Speaker 1: put together for that. There's dozens of passages that we
[2:34:03] Speaker 1: can talk on that I'm going to gather them in
[2:34:05] Speaker 1: the one place and we'll do. We'll do, we'll find
[2:34:07] Speaker 1: a way to work that into a topic. But that's
[2:34:09] Speaker 1: a great suggestion. Will make it happen. I promise we'll
[2:34:12] Speaker 1: make it happen. Jordan, thank you for the super Chest says,
[2:34:14] Speaker 1: what are your thoughts on the story of Jeptha. I
[2:34:17] Speaker 1: use it as an example of God being cool. A
[2:34:19] Speaker 1: child sacrifice disgusting story.
[2:34:20] Speaker 2: I agree. According to the story of.
[2:34:24] Speaker 1: Jephtha, he offered to sacrifice his daughter as a burnt
[2:34:28] Speaker 1: offering if God grants him victory in the war. God
[2:34:31] Speaker 1: did grant him victory in the war, but he did
[2:34:34] Speaker 1: not intervene in his daughter being the sacrifice. The promise
[2:34:38] Speaker 1: was that, you know, when I get back from the war,
[2:34:40] Speaker 1: the first thing that runs out of my house, I'll sacrifice,
[2:34:42] Speaker 1: and it was his daughter.
[2:34:44] Speaker 2: So if God has the.
[2:34:45] Speaker 1: Wherewithal to give him the war like he's intervening in
[2:34:48] Speaker 1: the affairs of mankind and allows him to win the war,
[2:34:53] Speaker 1: but then he doesn't intervene in Jeptha making the stupid vow,
[2:34:59] Speaker 1: or in the little girl from coming out of the house.
[2:35:01] Speaker 1: Then he was okay with it. He was chill with it,
[2:35:04] Speaker 1: and he's a monster. CJ, You're right, guest has a
[2:35:08] Speaker 1: nice circular argument there. It's totally circular. Diane, thank you
[2:35:12] Speaker 1: for the handhearts. I appreciate that. And I missed a
[2:35:14] Speaker 1: bunch of gifts while I was on that call from TikTok.
[2:35:17] Speaker 1: But everlast, thank you for the hat and ask your nova.
[2:35:20] Speaker 1: Thank you for the paint and can mom. Good to
[2:35:22] Speaker 1: see you tonight. I appreciate that.
[2:35:25] Speaker 6: I really do.
[2:35:25] Speaker 1: Guys, thank you for all the support. Sorry, I kind
[2:35:27] Speaker 1: of got backed up on Superchats in that long call.
[2:35:29] Speaker 1: Maximilian gifting out ten Deconstruction Zone memberships, Big w Maximilian,
[2:35:34] Speaker 1: I really appreciate that. That is incredibly generous. And Flanker,
[2:35:38] Speaker 1: good to see you tonight, says. Forty thousand denominations five
[2:35:41] Speaker 1: talking points is crazy, Flanker, that there are so many
[2:35:45] Speaker 1: dominations and they have so few talking points wild to me.
[2:35:50] Speaker 1: It's almost like they have nothing to supporting the religion.
[2:35:53] Speaker 20: B C.
[2:35:54] Speaker 1: Thank you for the fight hour Superchats says more impressive.
[2:35:56] Speaker 1: If Jesus went to Hell living in paradise with your absentee.
[2:35:59] Speaker 1: Dad Fornity doesn't scream sacrifice to me. I know the
[2:36:03] Speaker 1: fact that Jesus didn't get killed for all of eternity
[2:36:06] Speaker 1: is a demonstration that he didn't take The punishment that
[2:36:10] Speaker 1: you were given is not penal substitution. It's only penal
[2:36:14] Speaker 1: substitution if the punishment you would have been given is
[2:36:17] Speaker 1: given to somebody else. But he actually didn't take that punishment.
[2:36:20] Speaker 1: It took a day and a half of it. Jake Corling,
[2:36:23] Speaker 1: thank you for the supertest, says I can hear the
[2:36:25] Speaker 1: voice of Doug. His voice ain't no whisper. It's loud,
[2:36:27] Speaker 1: brash and bold. Doug gathers no moss. Praise Doug, Hail Doug,
[2:36:31] Speaker 1: the rock of ages. Doug will boulder into your life, Guys,
[2:36:36] Speaker 1: he does not, you know, roll gently Doug rocks you
[2:36:40] Speaker 1: when he enters your life. And Mick robo Fly smiles,
[2:36:44] Speaker 1: thank you for joining the crack and Crew, elite and
[2:36:47] Speaker 1: Christian in name only. Big w for the ten dollars
[2:36:50] Speaker 1: super thanks, I really do appreciate that. B for Bonci
[2:36:56] Speaker 1: says the Gnostics were interesting Christians that could see just
[2:36:59] Speaker 1: how dumb and evil yahweh was. Yeah, that's a very
[2:37:02] Speaker 1: good point. The Gnostics understood the problem of the Old
[2:37:05] Speaker 1: Testament God. They got it, you know what I mean,
[2:37:08] Speaker 1: and they tried to fix it as best they could,
[2:37:09] Speaker 1: but it's still a crumbling house. Wilma dick Lip, thank
[2:37:12] Speaker 1: you so much for the supertest, says Paul was a
[2:37:14] Speaker 1: self admitted liar to gain converts in First Corinthians nine
[2:37:17] Speaker 1: two twenty and Second Corinthians twelve sixteen. That's a good point.
[2:37:21] Speaker 1: Paul was a liar, guys, I have no reason to
[2:37:23] Speaker 1: believe that he was what he claimed to be, and
[2:37:26] Speaker 1: there's no historical evidence for Paul Nick. Thank you for
[2:37:30] Speaker 1: the superchat. Big w on a ten dollar Good to
[2:37:33] Speaker 1: see it tonight, says Art Stinker had me jumping around
[2:37:37] Speaker 1: on judges with a comparison story to Lot and then
[2:37:42] Speaker 1: explain to me why Ezekiel explained why God destroys Salem
[2:37:47] Speaker 1: and Gomorrah.
[2:37:47] Speaker 2: I was tripping.
[2:37:48] Speaker 1: I know exactly what you're talking about. Yeah, you're talking
[2:37:50] Speaker 1: about arch thinker and thinkers.
[2:37:53] Speaker 2: Amazing.
[2:37:54] Speaker 1: It's crazy to me that according to the Book of Ezekiel,
[2:37:56] Speaker 1: the problem was in hospitality. That was the actual problem
[2:38:00] Speaker 1: happening in the Sodomon Goamoor incident, and Eric, you are correct,
[2:38:05] Speaker 1: it says, I hope this caller has a good chiropractor
[2:38:08] Speaker 1: for all the pretzel shapes he's been twisting his body in.
[2:38:11] Speaker 1: And you're one hundred percent right. And Nick, you're right.
[2:38:14] Speaker 1: I listened to arch Thinker today fully for the first time.
[2:38:16] Speaker 1: Amazing woman. Arch Thinker is amazing. Amazing's I'm not saying
[2:38:22] Speaker 1: that because she's my friend. I'm saying it because she's amazing.
[2:38:25] Speaker 1: And Renee, thank you so much for the ten hour
[2:38:27] Speaker 1: super Jest says love your content. Well, thank you so
[2:38:29] Speaker 1: much for supporting I really appreciate that. Renee and Blue Drank.
[2:38:33] Speaker 1: Diane Isis, thank you for the ten hour supertest says
[2:38:36] Speaker 1: interesting how they believe this to be the greatest thing
[2:38:38] Speaker 1: ever but don't know what's in it?
[2:38:39] Speaker 2: Insane?
[2:38:41] Speaker 8: I agree.
[2:38:41] Speaker 1: And Hollywood, thank you for the three month subscription. So
[2:38:45] Speaker 1: that's the thing is, if you believe this book is
[2:38:48] Speaker 1: from God and you haven't taken the time to read it,
[2:38:52] Speaker 1: I can't take you seriously.
[2:38:54] Speaker 2: But welcome in.
[2:38:55] Speaker 3: Jacob, Hey, thank you.
[2:38:59] Speaker 9: I was on here earlier this week. I am unsure
[2:39:04] Speaker 9: of my belief anymore. Sure, okay, because I'm at the
[2:39:09] Speaker 9: point where I've looked into history, there's no historical evidence
[2:39:13] Speaker 9: of the resurrection, only the crucifi uh and being crucified exactly.
[2:39:18] Speaker 1: I agree.
[2:39:19] Speaker 9: Now the only place where I'm hung up, And this
[2:39:23] Speaker 9: is why I wanted your opinion on is it the Sanhedron.
[2:39:28] Speaker 9: They didn't really focus too much on like small religious
[2:39:33] Speaker 9: like sections when it came to their record keeping. And
[2:39:36] Speaker 9: then there's the argument that they lost documentation. Is there
[2:39:39] Speaker 9: any argument that that is falsifiable, like there could be
[2:39:44] Speaker 9: missing history when it comes to that.
[2:39:48] Speaker 1: Well, here's the thing, Okay, So it is interesting because
[2:39:51] Speaker 1: the Talmud documents and mentions Jesus a number of times.
[2:39:58] Speaker 1: Is some of them explicit in the some of not
[2:40:00] Speaker 1: so explicit, But there's a number of volumes that have
[2:40:06] Speaker 1: been written on this particular subject. It seems to me
[2:40:09] Speaker 1: that they really didn't like Jesus, which is why they
[2:40:13] Speaker 1: kind of make a lot of sideways remarks about him,
[2:40:16] Speaker 1: and they even change his name. In fact, Bert, if
[2:40:19] Speaker 1: Bert's still around, can add to this conversation. They changed
[2:40:23] Speaker 1: his name from Yeshuah to yeshu which is kind of
[2:40:26] Speaker 1: an insult to his name, But listen to what it
[2:40:30] Speaker 1: says in Sanhedrin forty three A.
[2:40:33] Speaker 2: I'll see if I can make the text big enough.
[2:40:34] Speaker 2: On one second, so it talks about what they.
[2:40:38] Speaker 1: Did to Jesus.
[2:40:40] Speaker 2: It says.
[2:40:43] Speaker 1: On Passover Eve they hung the corpse of Jesus the
[2:40:45] Speaker 1: Nazarene after they killed him by the way of stoning,
[2:40:49] Speaker 1: and a crier went out before him for forty days
[2:40:51] Speaker 1: publicly proclaiming, Jesus the Nazarene is going out to be
[2:40:55] Speaker 1: stoned because he practiced sorcery, incited people to idle worship,
[2:40:59] Speaker 1: and led the Jewish people astray. Anyone who knows of
[2:41:03] Speaker 1: a reason to acquit him should come forward and teach
[2:41:06] Speaker 1: it on his behalf. And the court did not find
[2:41:08] Speaker 1: a reason to acquit him, and so they stoned him
[2:41:11] Speaker 1: and hung his corpse over pass Overeve. And there's other
[2:41:14] Speaker 1: sections in the Tommy two where talks about Mary and
[2:41:16] Speaker 1: the brother of Jesus and John the Baptist. So the
[2:41:19] Speaker 1: Talmudic writers were writing about this time period, and they
[2:41:25] Speaker 1: were pretty good at like keeping the records, like the
[2:41:27] Speaker 1: important records. So here's what I would expect if they
[2:41:31] Speaker 1: were sending people out to round up the Christians. I
[2:41:34] Speaker 1: would expect that there was at least one record of
[2:41:38] Speaker 1: them giving papers to somebody, anybody to go out and
[2:41:41] Speaker 1: round up Christians. But I don't find it. I've never
[2:41:44] Speaker 1: seen it. I've never seen a single instance where they
[2:41:46] Speaker 1: the Sanhedrin gave permission to somebody to go round up Christians.
[2:41:52] Speaker 9: Right right, specifically to though, well, I would want to
[2:41:58] Speaker 9: know was specifically about the resurrection, because that's what Christianity
[2:42:02] Speaker 9: lies on. The whole thing is based off the resurrection,
[2:42:05] Speaker 9: and we have no historical evidence of that. And if
[2:42:09] Speaker 9: there was a people to record that. With the Jewish
[2:42:12] Speaker 9: practice and how good they were at record keeping, surely
[2:42:16] Speaker 9: they would have had some kind of record of that
[2:42:19] Speaker 9: if that was a true claim.
[2:42:22] Speaker 1: Right right, And remember what the Bible says about the resurrection,
[2:42:26] Speaker 1: all the men of Galilee watched him ascend into the clouds.
[2:42:30] Speaker 1: So if if all these Galilean men are watching a
[2:42:34] Speaker 1: human being resurrect into the clouds, many hundreds of people
[2:42:38] Speaker 1: should have seen it. And right, somebody like ascends into
[2:42:42] Speaker 1: the clouds, they don't just oh, geegalli, I forgot to
[2:42:46] Speaker 1: tell somebody about it.
[2:42:47] Speaker 2: That's crazy.
[2:42:48] Speaker 1: And then in Matthew it says that like the tombs
[2:42:52] Speaker 1: in Jerusalem broke open and like hundreds of dead bodies
[2:42:56] Speaker 1: came to life and were wandering about. Like we got
[2:42:59] Speaker 1: all these bombastic claims, but for some reason, like they
[2:43:03] Speaker 1: just didn't write about it. That's insane. We've got hundreds
[2:43:07] Speaker 1: of witnesses from the time period that write about stuff
[2:43:09] Speaker 1: happening in that time period. The fact that none of
[2:43:12] Speaker 1: them mentioned it is really strange. It sounds more like fiction.
[2:43:17] Speaker 9: Right right, because they recorded the crucifi you know, him
[2:43:21] Speaker 9: being crucified, but they wanted to do the resurrection. But
[2:43:25] Speaker 9: from a Christian standpoint, wouldn't it be a disadvantaged to
[2:43:29] Speaker 9: site Matthew, Luke, John and Mark because those weren't written
[2:43:34] Speaker 9: until like ninety eighty ninety a D. So those are
[2:43:38] Speaker 9: actually way after when Jesus was crucified and all those
[2:43:42] Speaker 9: events took place. Whereas in Paul, he's the only one
[2:43:45] Speaker 9: that had letters even remotely close right First Corinthians I
[2:43:49] Speaker 9: think was fifty a d. But that would have to
[2:43:52] Speaker 9: make Paul a valid a valid testament. Is there any
[2:43:57] Speaker 9: argument that Paul could have been valid?
[2:44:01] Speaker 1: I think, to be fair, I think Paul was a
[2:44:04] Speaker 1: real person. I don't believe what the Bible says about
[2:44:07] Speaker 1: him is true, but I think he's a real person.
[2:44:09] Speaker 1: Same thing with Jesus. I think Jesus is a real person.
[2:44:11] Speaker 1: I don't think what the Bible says about Jesus is true.
[2:44:14] Speaker 1: Same reason, like I believe that Julius Caesar was a
[2:44:17] Speaker 1: real person. I don't believe that he was deified and
[2:44:20] Speaker 1: ascended into heaven like it's said in the Roman histories.
[2:44:23] Speaker 1: Emperor Vespasian was real. I don't believe that he healed
[2:44:27] Speaker 1: a blind man by spinning in his eyes and healed
[2:44:29] Speaker 1: a guy with a lame leg. So like, I believe
[2:44:33] Speaker 1: these people are real. But like all, like, if you
[2:44:35] Speaker 1: don't accept the mythological claims about Vespasian or Julius Caesar
[2:44:42] Speaker 1: or any of these other people like Nero resurrecting from
[2:44:45] Speaker 1: the dead. If you don't accept these claims from history
[2:44:47] Speaker 1: about these other figures, why do we accept identical claims
[2:44:52] Speaker 1: about somebody else at the same time period.
[2:44:55] Speaker 9: Right? Well, yeah, I agree. That's kind of where I'm
[2:44:58] Speaker 9: at and trying to figure this out. As you can tell,
[2:45:02] Speaker 9: it's very hard for me.
[2:45:03] Speaker 1: I get it, it takes time.
[2:45:04] Speaker 2: It took me that.
[2:45:07] Speaker 9: But the only thing that I have found even remotely
[2:45:11] Speaker 9: that a Christian could hang on to from Paul, is
[2:45:15] Speaker 9: the creed?
[2:45:17] Speaker 6: Yeah?
[2:45:17] Speaker 9: First Corinthians fifteen, Right is there? Like, could you give
[2:45:22] Speaker 9: me your perspective of the creed? And why that would
[2:45:25] Speaker 9: be an argument not as a valid source.
[2:45:29] Speaker 1: Well, first of all, I believe that the early Christians
[2:45:32] Speaker 1: did believe that Jesus resurrected. The question is are there
[2:45:35] Speaker 1: any evidence that he really did? Just like there were
[2:45:38] Speaker 1: people that literally believe that Julius Caesar ascended in heaven.
[2:45:41] Speaker 1: There were people that literally believed that Nero rose from
[2:45:44] Speaker 1: the dead, like there are people that believe these things.
[2:45:47] Speaker 1: So I have no problem agreeing that. Yeah, there were
[2:45:50] Speaker 1: early Christians that believed it. But to me, it's just
[2:45:54] Speaker 1: as much as superstition as anything else.
[2:45:57] Speaker 9: So the Creed would be in your eyes as superstick.
[2:46:01] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[2:46:01] Speaker 1: And again Paul wasn't even a witness to it, So
[2:46:03] Speaker 1: how would he know.
[2:46:06] Speaker 9: Right, because he wasn't there. But it wasn't he close to?
[2:46:09] Speaker 1: Uh?
[2:46:10] Speaker 9: So wouldn't his claim becoming from Peter?
[2:46:13] Speaker 17: Right?
[2:46:13] Speaker 9: Because he was close to Peter?
[2:46:15] Speaker 1: Well, he argued, Sorry, he argued with Peter. I don't
[2:46:19] Speaker 1: think he was very close with Peter, but he did
[2:46:21] Speaker 1: meet with the disciples on two different occasions. If you
[2:46:24] Speaker 1: believe the Book of Acts and some of Paul's letters, So,
[2:46:30] Speaker 1: but did he actually agree with the apostles? Maybe the
[2:46:33] Speaker 1: better question is whether or not there were eyewitnesses, because
[2:46:36] Speaker 1: even Paul doesn't say that their eyewitnesses of the resurrection,
[2:46:40] Speaker 1: right right, I think too weird.
[2:46:45] Speaker 9: I guess I'm on a weird tip point now.
[2:46:49] Speaker 1: And let me let me preface this whole thing too.
[2:46:52] Speaker 1: It is like, yeah, it also doesn't matter because he's
[2:46:55] Speaker 1: still not the Messiah. Even if you believe that something
[2:46:58] Speaker 1: crazy happened, like he rose from the he still would
[2:47:01] Speaker 1: not be the Jewish Messiah. He just wouldn't. He didn't
[2:47:04] Speaker 1: fulfill any of the prophecies, and everything that he says
[2:47:07] Speaker 1: about the Old Testament is demonstrably wrong, which means what
[2:47:12] Speaker 1: we know about him probably, like the words that came
[2:47:14] Speaker 1: out of his mouth probably aren't true. And so like
[2:47:17] Speaker 1: if he predicted his second coming was going to be
[2:47:19] Speaker 1: within the lifetime of his disciples, and he did on
[2:47:21] Speaker 1: multiple occasions, if he couldn't even get that right, why
[2:47:25] Speaker 1: would I believe that he reservretion the dead?
[2:47:28] Speaker 4: Yeah?
[2:47:29] Speaker 9: And that's the confusing part for me too, is because
[2:47:31] Speaker 9: Matthew has written in.
[2:47:32] Speaker 5: Eighty eighty a d.
[2:47:34] Speaker 9: Eighty to ninety, which means that Matthew twenty four was
[2:47:37] Speaker 9: more than likely of account of what happened a set
[2:47:40] Speaker 9: of like actually Jesus prophesying. I think Matthew was just
[2:47:44] Speaker 9: writing about what he knew happened.
[2:47:47] Speaker 1: No reason to believe that Matthew wrote Matthew by.
[2:47:49] Speaker 9: The way, yeah, there's no proof of that.
[2:47:53] Speaker 3: There's no proof of it.
[2:47:54] Speaker 1: And the earliest documentation we have, the P One manuscript,
[2:47:59] Speaker 1: contains the beginning of the gospel, but not a name.
[2:48:03] Speaker 1: So what we would expect at the beginning of it
[2:48:06] Speaker 1: it would say like, uh, you know, Kata mathone or
[2:48:10] Speaker 1: some variant of Matthew's name in Greek. But we don't
[2:48:14] Speaker 1: find that the very beginning of the manuscript. Let me
[2:48:16] Speaker 1: see if I can make it so you can actually
[2:48:18] Speaker 1: read the beginning of it. So the very beginning of
[2:48:23] Speaker 1: Oh shit, I just move my whole damn screen. Eventually
[2:48:26] Speaker 1: I'm going to get it. There we go, the very
[2:48:27] Speaker 1: beginning of the manuscript, and I'll blow it up and
[2:48:31] Speaker 1: make it even bigger.
[2:48:32] Speaker 2: It starts out biblio.
[2:48:36] Speaker 1: Gaenay. You know, the the record of the genealogy.
[2:48:42] Speaker 2: Of Jesus. So there's no name.
[2:48:45] Speaker 1: Look where the name would be. There's just a divider
[2:48:47] Speaker 1: between between books, a little symbol. That's it.
[2:48:52] Speaker 3: Thanks.
[2:48:53] Speaker 1: We have no idea who wrote this gospel.
[2:48:58] Speaker 9: Yeah, and they're all postated and anyway, so it's not
[2:49:01] Speaker 9: like valid, right means.
[2:49:03] Speaker 1: And Matthew, whoever wrote the Gospel of Matthew, copied the
[2:49:07] Speaker 1: conversion story of Matthew the tax collector from Mark without
[2:49:11] Speaker 1: really changing it. He copied it from Mark, changed the
[2:49:14] Speaker 1: name from Levi to Matthew and called it today. Why
[2:49:18] Speaker 1: if you're writing a gospel, why would you copy your
[2:49:20] Speaker 1: own conversion story from somebody else without adding in the
[2:49:23] Speaker 1: right details or differing details, or telling it in first person,
[2:49:27] Speaker 1: or indicating somehow that you were the person. It's weird.
[2:49:31] Speaker 9: It doesn't make sense, right, last question I have for
[2:49:34] Speaker 9: you so someone else can come up and try to
[2:49:37] Speaker 9: argue with you. So the genealogy, this was an area
[2:49:42] Speaker 9: that I need to do more research on. I heard
[2:49:44] Speaker 9: you touched on it a little bit about what Luke
[2:49:46] Speaker 9: and Matthew said. Could you refresh or go over that?
[2:49:50] Speaker 9: Why their genealogy of Jesus would not line up? Yeah,
[2:49:55] Speaker 9: with the lineage of David.
[2:49:57] Speaker 1: Yeah, so we got a couple problems. The first the
[2:50:00] Speaker 1: problem if you go to the Book of Matthew is
[2:50:02] Speaker 1: that the genealogy runs through a guy named Jack Andyah,
[2:50:06] Speaker 1: also known as Kanaia. He also had a Babylonian throne
[2:50:10] Speaker 1: name with Jehoia Kim. But if you read Jeremiah twenty two,
[2:50:15] Speaker 1: Jeremiah twenty two says something really interesting about Jack and Iah.
[2:50:18] Speaker 1: I'll put it on the screen. Concerning Jack Andyah, his
[2:50:24] Speaker 1: whole lineage is cursed. It says, this man Kanaia despised,
[2:50:32] Speaker 1: broken pot, a vessel no one wants. Why are he
[2:50:35] Speaker 1: and his offspring hurled out and cast away into the
[2:50:37] Speaker 1: land they.
[2:50:38] Speaker 17: Do not know?
[2:50:38] Speaker 1: Referring to Babylon Oh land land land. Hear the word
[2:50:42] Speaker 1: of the Lord. Thus saith the Lord record this man
[2:50:45] Speaker 1: is childless, a man who shall not succeed in his days,
[2:50:48] Speaker 1: for none of his offspring shall succeed in sitting on
[2:50:53] Speaker 1: the throne of David and ruling again in Judah. So
[2:50:57] Speaker 1: none of the lineage from jak Andiah is acceptable for
[2:51:01] Speaker 1: sitting on the throne. They're all they're all cursed.
[2:51:04] Speaker 9: That's for Matthew, right, that would be the argument towards
[2:51:08] Speaker 9: Matthew because he goes through Jack and Iiah.
[2:51:12] Speaker 1: He goes through Jack and Iiah and it ends on Joseph,
[2:51:15] Speaker 1: and Joseph wasn't the actual father of Jesus. Joseph was
[2:51:18] Speaker 1: just a stepfather, and then we get to.
[2:51:21] Speaker 9: See who was the father that they would claim as God.
[2:51:26] Speaker 1: Essentially. Yeah, okay, right, so Luke, So Luke chapter three
[2:51:33] Speaker 1: runs through the wrong person as well. So if you
[2:51:36] Speaker 1: go to Luke chapter three, you'll find that the son
[2:51:39] Speaker 1: of David that that it goes through is Nathan and
[2:51:43] Speaker 1: not actually Solomon. That's in Luke chapter three thirty one,
[2:51:48] Speaker 1: the son of Malay, son of men A, son of Mattatha,
[2:51:53] Speaker 1: son of Nathan, son of David. So the lineage was
[2:51:57] Speaker 1: promised through the line of Solomon, and according to Chronicles
[2:52:01] Speaker 1: and the Book of Kings, it was never promised to
[2:52:04] Speaker 1: go through the line of Nathan. In fact, when Solomon
[2:52:07] Speaker 1: becomes king, God says, I will establish your throne through
[2:52:11] Speaker 1: through your lineage forever. So the fact that they tie
[2:52:15] Speaker 1: him to David using Nathan Nathan is silly.
[2:52:20] Speaker 9: He has done right, doesn't match up.
[2:52:22] Speaker 2: But the problem with.
[2:52:23] Speaker 1: Luke as well is it still goes to Joseph. Both
[2:52:25] Speaker 1: Matthew and Luke go to Joseph, and Joseph wasn't the
[2:52:27] Speaker 1: father and lineage was typically patrilineal. So like, if if
[2:52:32] Speaker 1: you're only claim to fame being close to the King
[2:52:36] Speaker 1: is that you came through somebody who maybe was from
[2:52:40] Speaker 1: the line of David and he adopted you, it's not
[2:52:43] Speaker 1: a good start, got it.
[2:52:46] Speaker 9: It just didn't match their culture how they did it right,
[2:52:49] Speaker 9: I gotcha, awesome. I appreciate your time. Thank you for
[2:52:53] Speaker 9: your insight.
[2:52:53] Speaker 1: Sure, cheers, Jacob, have a good woman, Jess. All right, guys,
[2:52:57] Speaker 1: with that, I've got to use the restroom real quick
[2:52:59] Speaker 1: before we get our next guest in here. I apologize.
[2:53:03] Speaker 1: I'll be right back momentarily, and then we'll get our
[2:53:06] Speaker 1: next guest in. Chris has been waiting for a while.
[2:53:08] Speaker 1: We're gonna pull Chris in and we'll catch up on
[2:53:10] Speaker 1: our We had a couple of super chats too, But
[2:53:12] Speaker 1: I'll be right back.
[2:53:13] Speaker 3: Guys.
[2:55:25] Speaker 1: All right, guys, we're back. Let's get the show rolling.
[2:55:34] Speaker 1: We'll get our next guest in here in just a second. Chris,
[2:55:37] Speaker 1: give me just a second. Let me grab a super
[2:55:40] Speaker 1: chat before I forget Blue says, interesting, how they believe
[2:55:45] Speaker 1: this is Oh yeah, we just read that. Sorry, yeah, yeah,
[2:55:47] Speaker 1: glory on that previous guest. He says, with the wavering voice,
[2:55:50] Speaker 1: he had to go.
[2:55:51] Speaker 2: I know he had to go.
[2:55:52] Speaker 1: Every time you get to a difficult part, you got
[2:55:53] Speaker 1: to go and jamil good to see you tonight, friend,
[2:55:56] Speaker 1: It says, ye shall ye shall rock you pray Doug,
[2:56:00] Speaker 1: spoken by the obviously the Holy prophets Uh known as
[2:56:05] Speaker 1: Queen and a v ladge. Thank you for the twenty
[2:56:08] Speaker 1: hour supertes It's very generous. I really appreciate that. So
[2:56:11] Speaker 1: it actually states that the spirit of the Lord was
[2:56:13] Speaker 1: upon Jetta and he made the promise to the Lord
[2:56:17] Speaker 1: to sacrifice his daughter.
[2:56:18] Speaker 2: You mean Jepthah.
[2:56:19] Speaker 16: Yeah.
[2:56:20] Speaker 1: That's actually a really good point because when he makes
[2:56:22] Speaker 1: the vow, it says that the spirit of the Lord
[2:56:25] Speaker 1: came upon him, which is wild to think about. That
[2:56:28] Speaker 1: he did so under the power of the Holy Spirit.
[2:56:32] Speaker 1: But we should have Chris in here with us. Chris,
[2:56:35] Speaker 1: can you hear me? I can hear you, justin Can
[2:56:38] Speaker 1: you hear me, Dope, I can hear you.
[2:56:39] Speaker 21: Yeah.
[2:56:39] Speaker 1: It's got a little like gurgle when you talk. Sometimes
[2:56:43] Speaker 1: it happens when your connection is a little bit slow,
[2:56:45] Speaker 1: but we'll see what happens. You got a couple of
[2:56:47] Speaker 1: red bars? Do you have a WiFi connections?
[2:56:51] Speaker 20: Yeah, I'm I'm on Wi Fi, but according to my phone,
[2:56:55] Speaker 20: I have fantastic connection and on fiber internet.
[2:56:58] Speaker 1: So interesting.
[2:57:00] Speaker 3: Well, my.
[2:57:02] Speaker 22: My software garbage?
[2:57:04] Speaker 2: What's that? I can? I said?
[2:57:06] Speaker 22: If it's hot garbage as a connection?
[2:57:07] Speaker 20: I can?
[2:57:08] Speaker 22: You know, I'm not I want to take up too
[2:57:09] Speaker 22: much of your time.
[2:57:10] Speaker 1: Well, maybe try just turn the Wi Fi off. My
[2:57:13] Speaker 1: guess is it might be your network, not your phone.
[2:57:16] Speaker 1: Are you on a computer or a phone.
[2:57:19] Speaker 22: I'm on my phone right now?
[2:57:20] Speaker 2: Oh yeah, maybe.
[2:57:21] Speaker 1: Disabled the Wi Fi real quick and see if that
[2:57:23] Speaker 1: fixes it. If not, we'll go back to the Wi Fi.
[2:57:25] Speaker 1: It's not as bad as it could be, okay, so
[2:57:34] Speaker 1: we'll see if that takes care of it. I don't
[2:57:40] Speaker 1: hear any gurgling or anything yet.
[2:57:41] Speaker 7: Okay.
[2:57:42] Speaker 2: I think we're okay.
[2:57:43] Speaker 20: Is that at all better?
[2:57:44] Speaker 3: Yeah?
[2:57:44] Speaker 2: I think we're good.
[2:57:46] Speaker 22: Okay, all right, fantastic.
[2:57:47] Speaker 7: Okay.
[2:57:48] Speaker 20: So I am over whatever age it is necessary, you know,
[2:57:52] Speaker 20: in my forties or whatever, and I'm going to give
[2:57:56] Speaker 20: you the honest I'll be honest with you. I am
[2:57:58] Speaker 20: not a believer. However, I've been listening to over the
[2:58:01] Speaker 20: last three or four months, and I've been very disappointed
[2:58:04] Speaker 20: by the repeat garbage arguments that I am continually hearing
[2:58:08] Speaker 20: from theists, so much so that my brain set on
[2:58:12] Speaker 20: It's like, you know, idle during its idle time, coming
[2:58:15] Speaker 20: up trying to do anyway with an argument from a
[2:58:19] Speaker 20: theistic perspective that accounts for all of the inconsistencies internal
[2:58:25] Speaker 20: inconstency in the Bible, historical inaccuracy, scientific problems at all
[2:58:30] Speaker 20: within the Bible, but still allowing for the Bible to
[2:58:32] Speaker 20: be the inspired part of God. Now, I think this
[2:58:35] Speaker 20: argument may be stupid, and if it is stupid, please
[2:58:38] Speaker 20: just kick me and I'll and I'll move on with
[2:58:40] Speaker 20: my life and happily be just a satisfied viewer of
[2:58:43] Speaker 20: your content. However, it might be interesting or fun to
[2:58:47] Speaker 20: go through this. I'll leave it up to you. And
[2:58:50] Speaker 20: if you have, like any people that have like user
[2:58:52] Speaker 20: names that are like obviously like you know, Jew for
[2:58:56] Speaker 20: Jesus or something like that, that that that that's screamed
[2:59:00] Speaker 20: for a cooking, move on to them first. Because this
[2:59:03] Speaker 20: is I'm an atheist, but I have a theistic argument.
[2:59:07] Speaker 1: I actually want to hear your argument, but we want
[2:59:09] Speaker 1: to hear on a good connection. Because all the burping
[2:59:11] Speaker 1: came back. Maybe you could drop and come back, because
[2:59:15] Speaker 1: I'd be interested to hear the argument. We already know
[2:59:18] Speaker 1: Christians don't have any good arguments, so I can only
[2:59:20] Speaker 1: say that their argument is going to be better than
[2:59:22] Speaker 1: there is.
[2:59:23] Speaker 22: Okay, let me let me drop and then I'll rejoin.
[2:59:26] Speaker 2: Okay, all right, thanks Chris.
[2:59:28] Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm actually intrigued to hear the argument. I know
[2:59:33] Speaker 1: he's not a believer.
[2:59:38] Speaker 2: I'm actually curious to see what he came up with.
[2:59:43] Speaker 3: To go to bed.
[2:59:45] Speaker 1: Bert, thanks for hanging out.
[2:59:47] Speaker 19: Take it easy, thank you, Justin.
[2:59:52] Speaker 1: I put Bert to sleep, Guys, he just woke up.
[2:59:56] Speaker 1: Sorry Bert. Oh my goodness, big w for Burt, guys,
[3:00:04] Speaker 1: big w for Bert. All right, give me a second.
[3:00:09] Speaker 2: Arch thinker, thank you so much.
[3:00:11] Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Nick Trell, thank you so much for the
[3:00:13] Speaker 1: super Chattison arch thinker, arch and thinker, arch thinker, arch thinker,
[3:00:16] Speaker 1: art thinker, arch thinker. Love her and love you too, Justin. Well,
[3:00:19] Speaker 1: we love you, Nick, and I agree. Arts thinker is amazing.
[3:00:23] Speaker 1: If you're not following arch thinker on TikTok and YouTube.
[3:00:26] Speaker 1: I definitely recommend you do. And she's also doing a
[3:00:28] Speaker 1: podcast with Sebastian which is amazing. All right, Chris, we'll
[3:00:31] Speaker 1: see if this is any better.
[3:00:35] Speaker 22: Okay, fingers crossed any any better at all?
[3:00:39] Speaker 2: You just look up both rogs in your connection.
[3:00:42] Speaker 20: Good look Bard. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know
[3:00:44] Speaker 20: what to do about that, man, I'm sorry, what a disappointment.
[3:00:48] Speaker 4: I'll tell you what I will.
[3:00:49] Speaker 20: I will work on maybe like hooking up my my
[3:00:53] Speaker 20: like actual hardwired computer connection or something, seeing if we
[3:00:57] Speaker 20: can make that. Sure that work?
[3:00:59] Speaker 2: Sure?
[3:01:00] Speaker 20: Okay, okay, all.
[3:01:01] Speaker 1: Right, thanks Christians, Thanks Reddie, I appreciate it, all right.
[3:01:05] Speaker 20: Thanks.
[3:01:08] Speaker 1: God was so afraid that he was going to put
[3:01:12] Speaker 1: down a better argument than the Christians, that God had
[3:01:14] Speaker 1: to take his connection.
[3:01:15] Speaker 2: That's what happened.
[3:01:17] Speaker 1: All right, we'll get our ex guest in here.
[3:01:21] Speaker 3: Uh.
[3:01:21] Speaker 1: Skeptics asks, so think Doug causes kidney stones? Definitely not.
[3:01:26] Speaker 1: Doug would never cause kidney stones. Those are those are
[3:01:29] Speaker 1: demonic stones pretending to be Doug.
[3:01:32] Speaker 2: DJ.
[3:01:32] Speaker 1: Welcome in, DJ.
[3:01:39] Speaker 5: Oh, Hey, how's it coming good?
[3:01:40] Speaker 2: Are you doing great?
[3:01:44] Speaker 3: DJ?
[3:01:44] Speaker 5: Are you least name is Patrick?
[3:01:46] Speaker 2: Oh? Your name's no.
[3:01:49] Speaker 5: Yeah, I go by DJ and I'm from Las Vegas
[3:01:53] Speaker 5: and I'm Roman Catholic.
[3:01:54] Speaker 2: Welcome in dj uh.
[3:01:56] Speaker 1: So you're at least eighteen you are Christian. So the
[3:01:58] Speaker 1: next question is why would I want to trust the Bible.
[3:02:06] Speaker 5: That's a good question. I really didn't Paul to debate
[3:02:10] Speaker 5: the Bible as much as the love of God. But
[3:02:14] Speaker 5: I was going to ask you a question.
[3:02:16] Speaker 2: Did you read the background?
[3:02:19] Speaker 23: I love it?
[3:02:21] Speaker 1: What's the background?
[3:02:21] Speaker 2: Said?
[3:02:22] Speaker 7: I had a question.
[3:02:25] Speaker 2: I had a question for you.
[3:02:26] Speaker 5: I just was hoping you could answer it for me.
[3:02:30] Speaker 1: Whatever you want, this is your life now.
[3:02:32] Speaker 2: Apparently all right.
[3:02:34] Speaker 5: Thanks, I sure appreciate it. I know some people that
[3:02:39] Speaker 5: are big fans of the show as well.
[3:02:42] Speaker 20: So the.
[3:02:45] Speaker 5: Roman Catholics have the Eucharist, and there's been several miracles
[3:02:51] Speaker 5: that coincide with the Eucharist, the Blood of Jesus. What
[3:02:57] Speaker 5: do you suggesting they're fake? Or is that your response
[3:03:05] Speaker 5: to them?
[3:03:06] Speaker 1: Is that your response to the miracles that were observed
[3:03:09] Speaker 1: by the eleven witnesses of Joseph Smith.
[3:03:14] Speaker 5: Well, I didn't call it miracles, but right, but that's
[3:03:17] Speaker 5: your answer.
[3:03:19] Speaker 1: What I'm suggesting if you think that your miracles are
[3:03:21] Speaker 1: equally as fake as any other fake miracles.
[3:03:26] Speaker 5: Okay, so what you're saying is all miracles are fake?
[3:03:32] Speaker 5: Do you believe in the spiritual realm, the spiritual world?
[3:03:37] Speaker 3: No?
[3:03:38] Speaker 5: Not at all?
[3:03:39] Speaker 2: Nope.
[3:03:41] Speaker 5: Okay, very interesting. Do you know that there's been a
[3:03:45] Speaker 5: lot of scientific study and a lot of folks, even
[3:03:49] Speaker 5: as far as the CIA, have studied it and have
[3:03:52] Speaker 5: tried to reached reach a place that is considered the
[3:03:56] Speaker 5: same as a as as a spiritual.
[3:04:02] Speaker 1: Yet they've failed every time.
[3:04:04] Speaker 2: What about that?
[3:04:05] Speaker 5: Have you have you heard of like the remote viewing
[3:04:08] Speaker 5: and things of that nature.
[3:04:09] Speaker 1: Yeah, I've actually read the studies on the out of
[3:04:12] Speaker 1: body experiences and the near death experiences where they've actually
[3:04:15] Speaker 1: tried to validate that these aren't hallucinations, and all of
[3:04:19] Speaker 1: the studies we have indicate that they actually are just hallucinations.
[3:04:23] Speaker 5: So they're all they all end up being hallucinations, each
[3:04:27] Speaker 5: and every one of them.
[3:04:28] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[3:04:29] Speaker 5: Okay, well cool. So, so we've got the the fact
[3:04:33] Speaker 5: that all miracles are fake and nailed it. These these
[3:04:38] Speaker 5: spiritual endeavors are hallucinations, got it. We finally make it
[3:04:44] Speaker 5: very easy. Well, that makes it very easy.
[3:04:48] Speaker 1: It makes it matching the scientific data.
[3:04:50] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[3:04:56] Speaker 5: Yeah, So do you have any questions for me?
[3:04:58] Speaker 2: Good man? M I don't know.
[3:05:02] Speaker 1: Why do you believe in a failed Messiah?
[3:05:07] Speaker 5: Most Christians believe that the Good Lord is as close
[3:05:11] Speaker 5: to us as a as closer to us than we
[3:05:14] Speaker 5: are to each other.
[3:05:16] Speaker 1: I'm sure you believe that. I asked you, why do
[3:05:18] Speaker 1: you believe in a failed Messiah?
[3:05:22] Speaker 5: I don't know if they call him a failed Messiah
[3:05:24] Speaker 5: is a.
[3:05:25] Speaker 3: Joke or what.
[3:05:26] Speaker 1: No, it's the truth. He didn't do anything the Messiah
[3:05:29] Speaker 1: was supposed to do.
[3:05:35] Speaker 5: Okay, but well, very good. You don't believe in miracles either,
[3:05:38] Speaker 5: So I mean, I understand where you're coming from.
[3:05:41] Speaker 1: You're not even in a debate debate me whether or
[3:05:43] Speaker 1: not he was a Messiah. Have you ever have you
[3:05:45] Speaker 1: read the book? Do you know what your church teaches?
[3:05:48] Speaker 5: Well, it's interesting to me that the Messiah was to
[3:05:53] Speaker 5: be the king of the Jews.
[3:05:55] Speaker 1: Yeah, was he ever a king?
[3:05:58] Speaker 3: Yes?
[3:06:00] Speaker 2: Very interesting?
[3:06:00] Speaker 1: Show me that Bible passage where he was a king
[3:06:02] Speaker 1: of the Jews.
[3:06:03] Speaker 2: Cool.
[3:06:04] Speaker 5: Well, it's very interesting to me that. So you can't
[3:06:06] Speaker 5: choose they were, Well, give me a chance. The Jews
[3:06:10] Speaker 5: always wanted a leader, you know, and they beg God
[3:06:14] Speaker 5: for their leader.
[3:06:15] Speaker 2: That's what the prophet said.
[3:06:16] Speaker 5: The problem judges, and they had time with judges, and
[3:06:23] Speaker 5: then they can.
[3:06:24] Speaker 1: Already respond to anything that I say. DJ Are you
[3:06:27] Speaker 1: aware that the Old Testament prophets said that the Messiah
[3:06:30] Speaker 1: would be a king?
[3:06:34] Speaker 5: Absolutely?
[3:06:36] Speaker 1: What I'm saying to demonstrate that Jesus was ever a
[3:06:38] Speaker 1: king over Israel.
[3:06:41] Speaker 5: What I'm saying to you is the Old Testament.
[3:06:45] Speaker 2: Well, you got to work with me too in the
[3:06:48] Speaker 2: Old I don't know if you know how this works.
[3:06:50] Speaker 2: This isn't your life.
[3:06:51] Speaker 1: You don't just get to come in here and evade
[3:06:53] Speaker 1: questions very easy. You already said that the Old Testament
[3:06:58] Speaker 1: says the Messiah is going to be king, And then
[3:07:00] Speaker 1: I asked you, can you demonstrate that Jesus was ever
[3:07:03] Speaker 1: a king? And then you evaded the questions. I'll just
[3:07:07] Speaker 1: ask you the same question again. Can you demonstrate or
[3:07:10] Speaker 1: show me evidence that Jesus was ever a king in Israel.
[3:07:24] Speaker 7: Or a king?
[3:07:27] Speaker 1: No one you said, because you're muted. What was the
[3:07:29] Speaker 1: answer to my question? Can you demonstrate that Jesus was
[3:07:31] Speaker 1: ever a king in Israel?
[3:07:36] Speaker 14: Yeah?
[3:07:37] Speaker 5: Uh, punches pilot called him a king.
[3:07:39] Speaker 1: No, he didn't punch his pilot. Make fun of him.
[3:07:43] Speaker 1: They put a crown of thorns on his head, mocking
[3:07:45] Speaker 1: him for not being a king.
[3:07:48] Speaker 5: You know why they put a crown of thorns on
[3:07:51] Speaker 5: his head.
[3:07:51] Speaker 1: Don't you, Because they were mocking him because he was
[3:07:54] Speaker 1: never Actually.
[3:07:55] Speaker 5: Can imagine imagine if you were a jew back in
[3:08:00] Speaker 5: the day and you ask God for a king, and
[3:08:05] Speaker 5: it would surprise you very much if on that day
[3:08:10] Speaker 5: in Rome panches Pilot says, here is your king and
[3:08:14] Speaker 5: he comes out with a crown of thorns as opposed
[3:08:17] Speaker 5: to a crown of jewels.
[3:08:18] Speaker 1: Yeah, they're mocking and he comes out. That's what it means.
[3:08:24] Speaker 2: Okay.
[3:08:24] Speaker 1: So I didn't ask if they mocked him for not
[3:08:28] Speaker 1: being a king. I said, can you demonstrate he ever
[3:08:32] Speaker 1: was a king? Did he ever rule as king, did
[3:08:36] Speaker 1: he ever sit in the throne of the king, did
[3:08:38] Speaker 1: he have the crown or the scepter of a king?
[3:08:42] Speaker 1: Or did they just make fun of him for not
[3:08:45] Speaker 1: being a king, Because, as it turns out, being made
[3:08:48] Speaker 1: fun of for not being a king, it's not the
[3:08:50] Speaker 1: same as being a king. Hoodie theology. You've been crashing
[3:09:02] Speaker 1: out in my comments for like the last hour and
[3:09:04] Speaker 1: a half. Either get in the box or just stop
[3:09:07] Speaker 1: shouting into the void. You're an embarrassment to your people.
[3:09:12] Speaker 1: All right, Well he's done, he's cooked. All right, get
[3:09:19] Speaker 1: your flip flop situation figured out. Next time you call in.
[3:09:21] Speaker 1: I don't want to hear you flipping around on your
[3:09:23] Speaker 1: tile floor the whole time. All Right, we're gonna get
[3:09:29] Speaker 1: wandering in here. Welcome in, wandering. Oh hello, we wandering?
[3:09:40] Speaker 1: Are you at least eighteen?
[3:09:43] Speaker 13: Yes?
[3:09:44] Speaker 2: What year were you born?
[3:09:46] Speaker 13: Ninety one?
[3:09:48] Speaker 1: Ninety one?
[3:09:50] Speaker 13: Yes?
[3:09:52] Speaker 2: Liar?
[3:09:53] Speaker 6: No, not a liar.
[3:09:55] Speaker 2: How old are you?
[3:09:58] Speaker 13: I'm thirty three?
[3:09:59] Speaker 2: Oh well, it's still wrong.
[3:10:03] Speaker 13: No, it's not.
[3:10:04] Speaker 1: What month were you born in September? That that's not
[3:10:10] Speaker 1: doesn't add up?
[3:10:12] Speaker 13: It does it does?
[3:10:13] Speaker 2: It doesn't? Come on, dude, it does, it really does.
[3:10:20] Speaker 1: Okay, My point is, wait, you said September. Yeah, oh,
[3:10:26] Speaker 1: fair enough. You'll be thirty four this September. So you
[3:10:28] Speaker 1: are thirty three? There you go, Yes, you haven't and
[3:10:31] Speaker 1: your birthday yet.
[3:10:32] Speaker 2: I'll let it pass. Cool, all right, So that being
[3:10:35] Speaker 2: the case, right, you said you're a Christian?
[3:10:39] Speaker 13: Right, well, I used to be. I was before I
[3:10:48] Speaker 13: listened to everything that's been going on in the States
[3:10:53] Speaker 13: and Canada and whatever, and so now I'm just trying
[3:11:01] Speaker 13: to figure out, uh, what's like, who's who's who's being
[3:11:10] Speaker 13: truthful and who's being not truthful?
[3:11:13] Speaker 3: But what.
[3:11:16] Speaker 13: About I don't know, but I guess about their beliefs.
[3:11:27] Speaker 1: What do you mean, I'm not afraid who are you
[3:11:30] Speaker 1: talking about, like being truthful like an individual person?
[3:11:34] Speaker 13: Mostly about the Oh sorry Republicans.
[3:11:47] Speaker 2: Sorry, Oh, they're definitely not telling the truth.
[3:11:50] Speaker 8: Yeah, they're not.
[3:11:57] Speaker 13: And so I was just wondering about thoughts.
[3:12:03] Speaker 1: I'm not sure what to tell you. I mean, I
[3:12:05] Speaker 1: don't really do a lot of politics. I used to
[3:12:08] Speaker 1: follow politics pretty closely, but to be honest, it's a
[3:12:12] Speaker 1: headache and I've already got too many a headaches. So
[3:12:15] Speaker 1: I stopped following politics. But I know this, the Republicans
[3:12:19] Speaker 1: are lying to you man. The Democrats to some extent
[3:12:23] Speaker 1: are as well, but not to the same level.
[3:12:25] Speaker 2: Right.
[3:12:27] Speaker 16: Yeah.
[3:12:28] Speaker 13: Also, I'm just I'm a teacher, and so I'm trying
[3:12:32] Speaker 13: to figure out like the best way to teach my
[3:12:38] Speaker 13: future students, the best way to move forward, you know,
[3:12:44] Speaker 13: in terms of what's going on in the world.
[3:12:48] Speaker 1: And well, I mean, you're not allowed to teach about religion,
[3:12:53] Speaker 1: which is the first part if you're a school teacher.
[3:12:57] Speaker 1: That's kind of a no note topic for you. So
[3:12:59] Speaker 1: I think you're safe there. But in terms of like
[3:13:02] Speaker 1: the geopolitical situation, you know, I would do what my
[3:13:05] Speaker 1: teachers did and stick to the policies. Don't talk about personalities,
[3:13:09] Speaker 1: don't talk about party, talk about policies, right, right, because
[3:13:15] Speaker 1: we have data. Right, So when we talk about policies,
[3:13:18] Speaker 1: let's take a policy like minimum wage. We've been collecting
[3:13:22] Speaker 1: data on minimum wage for many decades. We have the information.
[3:13:27] Speaker 1: We know exactly what happens when minimum wage goes up.
[3:13:30] Speaker 1: That's not a partisan issue to talk about. You just say,
[3:13:35] Speaker 1: here is the data, and you display the data, you know, right, Yeah, yeah,
[3:13:44] Speaker 1: I don't get caught up in politics in the classroom.
[3:13:47] Speaker 1: You'll lose your job.
[3:13:49] Speaker 13: Well, yes, I'm sure of that.
[3:13:51] Speaker 20: Yeah.
[3:13:53] Speaker 13: Is this okay if I send you a private message after.
[3:13:58] Speaker 7: Yep?
[3:13:58] Speaker 13: Okay, Thank you very much for your time.
[3:14:03] Speaker 1: Well, thank you, and I appreciate you being a teacher
[3:14:05] Speaker 1: and teaching young people. So we need, we need teachers
[3:14:09] Speaker 1: because none of us would be here without our teachers,
[3:14:12] Speaker 1: So big.
[3:14:12] Speaker 3: W for them.
[3:14:14] Speaker 8: Thanks, take care teers.
[3:14:19] Speaker 1: Aaron, Good to see you tonight, friend, Aaron says, thank
[3:14:22] Speaker 1: you for the super chat by the way, he says, hey, brother,
[3:14:24] Speaker 1: in your view, what is the strongest argument that Jesus, sorry,
[3:14:29] Speaker 1: the Jesus we read in the Gospels actually existed and
[3:14:31] Speaker 1: what are your thoughts on that topic.
[3:14:33] Speaker 2: So I'm.
[3:14:35] Speaker 1: I am a historicist. I believe that the historical Jesus
[3:14:39] Speaker 1: was real. I just think that most of what we
[3:14:41] Speaker 1: read about him, like a lot of what we read
[3:14:43] Speaker 1: about him in the Bible is made up, right, So
[3:14:46] Speaker 1: like the healings and the miracles and you know, feeding
[3:14:50] Speaker 1: five thousand. I don't think none of that stuff's real.
[3:14:53] Speaker 1: There would be actual evidence of that if that was real.
[3:14:58] Speaker 1: But was there a guy a living in you know,
[3:15:00] Speaker 1: ancient Israel, specifically in the Galilee, that had disciples and
[3:15:06] Speaker 1: thought that he could have been the messages? Sure, there's
[3:15:09] Speaker 1: a bunch of people already doing that. It doesn't it's
[3:15:12] Speaker 1: not a problem for me to admit that that was
[3:15:13] Speaker 1: the case. And we have Jewish writings talking about how
[3:15:16] Speaker 1: they executed him, Like why would the Jews write in
[3:15:19] Speaker 1: the Talmud that they executed Jesus to Nazarene along with
[3:15:22] Speaker 1: five of his disciples and even talk about his mother
[3:15:25] Speaker 1: and brother and John the Baptist. Why wouldn't they write
[3:15:28] Speaker 1: all of that if they're just like none of it happened, Like,
[3:15:30] Speaker 1: it doesn't make sense that they would do that, right,
[3:15:34] Speaker 1: So I'm inclined to believe that the Jesus of the
[3:15:37] Speaker 1: Bible was a real historical figure. I just don't think,
[3:15:41] Speaker 1: like what we know about him is hard to like
[3:15:44] Speaker 1: partition out. It's hard to know, like what we've been
[3:15:47] Speaker 1: told about him if any of it is accurate, other
[3:15:50] Speaker 1: than he existed and it appeared that he had followers
[3:15:54] Speaker 1: and it appeared that he was executed by the state.
[3:15:57] Speaker 1: I think that much is true, all right, But let
[3:16:00] Speaker 1: me move on to our next guest. We're gonna get
[3:16:06] Speaker 1: trilling heels in here. How you doing trill?
[3:16:15] Speaker 13: Hello?
[3:16:16] Speaker 1: How you doing tru.
[3:16:18] Speaker 6: Hey?
[3:16:19] Speaker 3: How you doing? It?
[3:16:19] Speaker 9: Was a just then?
[3:16:21] Speaker 2: Hey, hey hey, I just want to.
[3:16:24] Speaker 17: Say I love your channel.
[3:16:27] Speaker 2: Thanks.
[3:16:27] Speaker 1: I appreciate that.
[3:16:28] Speaker 5: I'm sorry.
[3:16:29] Speaker 17: I just want to say I love your channel. You're
[3:16:32] Speaker 17: the reason why I finally decided to claim atheism.
[3:16:37] Speaker 21: I've been agnostic. I think I'm pretty much for my
[3:16:40] Speaker 21: whole life. But one thing you really said that suck
[3:16:43] Speaker 21: out to me. I was watching one of your lives
[3:16:45] Speaker 21: and you said, how can there be a guide that
[3:16:49] Speaker 21: exists out of space and time when there's nothing out
[3:16:52] Speaker 21: of space and time?
[3:16:53] Speaker 17: And for that I just picked in my head like,
[3:16:55] Speaker 17: oh that makes so much that that makes so much
[3:17:00] Speaker 17: sense to me, you know.
[3:17:02] Speaker 1: Talking with Yeah, we'll say if you exist for no
[3:17:06] Speaker 1: amount of time and nowhere, then you don't exist.
[3:17:09] Speaker 2: That's all there is to it.
[3:17:12] Speaker 21: Yeah, And just with all my conversations with other theists,
[3:17:16] Speaker 21: and I'm just like, nothing that they say make any sense.
[3:17:24] Speaker 21: It's like these same people will believe in flat earth
[3:17:27] Speaker 21: and the Earth is only six thousand years old or whatever,
[3:17:31] Speaker 21: and they'll believe evolution doesn't exist even though we have
[3:17:34] Speaker 21: all this evidence.
[3:17:35] Speaker 17: For it, but you'll believe in God that you basically
[3:17:38] Speaker 17: have like nothing to bag it up.
[3:17:41] Speaker 1: All right, they got nothing, They got nothing but the
[3:17:44] Speaker 1: hopes and dreams that said, there's no actual evidence exactly exactly.
[3:17:49] Speaker 17: So I want to take up too much air cond
[3:17:51] Speaker 17: I don't want to say I love you. I think
[3:17:53] Speaker 17: there's so cute and you're so handsome. I want to
[3:17:54] Speaker 17: have your babies and.
[3:17:59] Speaker 2: Getting I'm a boomer.
[3:18:01] Speaker 17: Okay, you're not a boomer.
[3:18:05] Speaker 3: You're not that old.
[3:18:07] Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure, you're not pretty old. I got great,
[3:18:13] Speaker 1: I just can't see it. But listen, trill, I appreciate
[3:18:15] Speaker 1: the kind words. And uh, big w for coming to atheism.
[3:18:22] Speaker 17: All right, thank you so much.
[3:18:23] Speaker 1: All right, all right, cher's good to hear from me.
[3:18:26] Speaker 1: All right, not a boomer. I'm not quite a boomer.
[3:18:30] Speaker 1: I just that's what the young kids say.
[3:18:32] Speaker 2: You know what I mean.
[3:18:32] Speaker 1: I'm I'm I'm at the very edge of of gen
[3:18:38] Speaker 1: X and millennial. I'm like the I'm what they call
[3:18:42] Speaker 1: it zenial, the edge of gen X and millennial. All right,
[3:18:46] Speaker 1: but let me get oh ship, Uh did the rabbi
[3:18:52] Speaker 1: come back?
[3:18:53] Speaker 2: He went to bed?
[3:18:55] Speaker 1: I see the rabbi is in my YouTube cube, but
[3:18:57] Speaker 1: he went to bed. If he comes back, I'll pull
[3:19:00] Speaker 1: him back in. I didn't realize he's been waiting in there.
[3:19:02] Speaker 1: Let's get our next guest in here, and Joshua, good
[3:19:06] Speaker 1: to see you tonight, says I would love to hear
[3:19:10] Speaker 1: you talk about the historical Yahweh being a warrior, storm
[3:19:13] Speaker 1: god and son of L.
[3:19:15] Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good one.
[3:19:18] Speaker 1: I think there's sparse evidence that he was a son
[3:19:21] Speaker 1: of L, but I think there's some evidence. For example,
[3:19:24] Speaker 1: Deuteronomy thirty two eight nine. The inscriptions from kuntleet aj
[3:19:30] Speaker 1: Rude and some other inscriptions seem to suggest that maybe
[3:19:35] Speaker 1: he originated in the Medianite region as a minor deity,
[3:19:39] Speaker 1: perhaps a deity of copper smelting, and then was later
[3:19:43] Speaker 1: co opted by the Judeans when they left Egypt, and
[3:19:47] Speaker 1: then you know, when they took power over the region,
[3:19:50] Speaker 1: became the supreme deity. But Mike willcome in, Mike Gray
[3:19:56] Speaker 1: with us. Friend, Mike, Mike, I know you've been waiting
[3:20:05] Speaker 1: in the guest box for a while, so you might
[3:20:07] Speaker 1: not realize you're on the stage. But you are on
[3:20:09] Speaker 1: the stage right now, can you hear me? I don't
[3:20:15] Speaker 1: think Mike was with us. He did say something, but
[3:20:17] Speaker 1: I don't think he realized he was talking to us.
[3:20:20] Speaker 1: All right, Mike coming back if you uh, come back,
[3:20:23] Speaker 1: if you want to add to the discussion.
[3:20:27] Speaker 19: Uh.
[3:20:27] Speaker 1: And Pat, Pat, thank you for the super chat, Buddy.
[3:20:29] Speaker 1: Good to see it tonight. He says, why should anyone
[3:20:31] Speaker 1: trust this book?
[3:20:32] Speaker 2: Answer?
[3:20:32] Speaker 1: You don't. I agree, you don't. Pat, you don't trust
[3:20:35] Speaker 1: this book. Those nonsense in this book. Let's get Shaye
[3:20:41] Speaker 1: Robinson into the guest box. How you doing Shae.
[3:20:52] Speaker 3: Shane.
[3:20:53] Speaker 2: Shae fell as upon us too.
[3:20:54] Speaker 1: Okay, Shae, sorry you waited so long, but I'll have
[3:21:02] Speaker 1: to drop you down since you fell asleep in the box.
[3:21:05] Speaker 1: All right, Chris came back. Chris, Let's see if we're
[3:21:10] Speaker 1: any better this time.
[3:21:12] Speaker 20: All right, here's hoping.
[3:21:13] Speaker 2: I don't hear any bullfrogs yet.
[3:21:16] Speaker 20: Well, that's good. I'm like a burping Ventriloquistard caught like
[3:21:20] Speaker 20: the end of it as it was like trailing off
[3:21:22] Speaker 20: and it was I mean, I've never heard anything like
[3:21:24] Speaker 20: that before.
[3:21:24] Speaker 2: So it's working right now. You're good to go.
[3:21:27] Speaker 20: Okay, cool, Okay, here's my stupid argument. Man has created
[3:21:33] Speaker 20: in the image of God. Was at Genesis one, twenty
[3:21:35] Speaker 20: seventh somewhere around there.
[3:21:37] Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a Genesis creation account.
[3:21:39] Speaker 20: Yeah all right, Now, how how specific like is there
[3:21:43] Speaker 20: a from my reading of it, there isn't a very
[3:21:47] Speaker 20: clear line to where the image of God ends and
[3:21:50] Speaker 20: the image of man begins or like where exactly that
[3:21:54] Speaker 20: separation line is obviously, you know, besides like supernatural ability
[3:21:59] Speaker 20: or something like that. Is that about right?
[3:22:03] Speaker 1: Well, so you know, my interpretation of mankind being created
[3:22:09] Speaker 1: in the image of God is maybe not the same
[3:22:14] Speaker 1: as the Christian so Zeleem or Salem in Hebrew is
[3:22:21] Speaker 1: like in the likeness of something, or in the representation
[3:22:27] Speaker 1: of something, or it looks the same. In fact, we
[3:22:30] Speaker 1: actually we find the same thing in Genesis chapter five
[3:22:33] Speaker 1: when it talks about Adam's children. In Genesis five, it
[3:22:37] Speaker 1: says that Adam had children in his own image. So
[3:22:42] Speaker 1: there seems to be this idea that mankind is created
[3:22:47] Speaker 1: similar to God in that we look like God, which
[3:22:50] Speaker 1: is why God has hands and feet and a nose,
[3:22:54] Speaker 1: and he's got a mouth, and he's got eyeballs.
[3:22:57] Speaker 20: Right right, right. But it seems like it would follow
[3:23:00] Speaker 20: that we would also be imbued with some of his
[3:23:06] Speaker 20: other traits beyond like personality traits or things like that. Okay,
[3:23:13] Speaker 20: so that's kind of like the like the starting point
[3:23:16] Speaker 20: of this particular argument. So as created in the image
[3:23:19] Speaker 20: of God. From what I can my experience of reading
[3:23:22] Speaker 20: the Bible and listening to your stream, for example, God
[3:23:26] Speaker 20: is insistent on his on being right, on on on
[3:23:35] Speaker 20: showing that he is correct and making the people believe
[3:23:38] Speaker 20: that he is. Everybody needs to know that he's right.
[3:23:43] Speaker 20: Human beings, I think have a similar trait where we
[3:23:48] Speaker 20: will expend inordinance amount of energy, seemingly with very little
[3:23:53] Speaker 20: return on the investment. Simply to prove somebody wrong, We'll
[3:23:58] Speaker 20: go to extraordinary lengths just to be able to go
[3:24:01] Speaker 20: you're wrong, I'm right.
[3:24:03] Speaker 3: I eat it.
[3:24:05] Speaker 20: Yeah, yeah, exactly exactly. So that kind of like being
[3:24:10] Speaker 20: the starting point. It seems to me like if I
[3:24:15] Speaker 20: was a creator and I wanted to give my creations
[3:24:20] Speaker 20: a something to rally around or to drive that instinct,
[3:24:29] Speaker 20: I would create a book, give it to them as
[3:24:33] Speaker 20: the Word of God inspire it, intentionally, allow for or intend,
[3:24:37] Speaker 20: you know, intentionally create, you know, inaccuracies and consistencies, all
[3:24:41] Speaker 20: that stuff. But I would give them a holy book
[3:24:44] Speaker 20: and say, not only is this is the inspired word
[3:24:47] Speaker 20: of God, but that it is perfect, it is flawless,
[3:24:52] Speaker 20: and then watch them struggle to reconcile all of those problems.
[3:24:57] Speaker 20: I mean, here we are in twenty twenty Oh Jesus,
[3:25:00] Speaker 20: what twenty five?
[3:25:02] Speaker 7: That hurts?
[3:25:03] Speaker 20: Twenty twenty five and we're still arguing about this book.
[3:25:09] Speaker 20: That seems to be what his intention was. If his
[3:25:11] Speaker 20: intention was for everybody to just buy it and believe it,
[3:25:14] Speaker 20: then we already would. But it seems like his if
[3:25:18] Speaker 20: he did inspire this, then his intention must have been
[3:25:21] Speaker 20: something completely different. So it's what the outcome seems to
[3:25:24] Speaker 20: be is is that we're arguing about it.
[3:25:26] Speaker 2: Now, have you heard of the evil God hypothesis?
[3:25:32] Speaker 20: I maybe refresh my memory?
[3:25:35] Speaker 1: Okay, okay, First of all, before we start, there's a
[3:25:37] Speaker 1: bunch of people in the comments shouting that you want
[3:25:40] Speaker 1: to get into the discussion. I can't draw you into
[3:25:43] Speaker 1: the discussion. You have to hit the guest request. There's
[3:25:46] Speaker 1: a guest request on TikTok if you know how to
[3:25:48] Speaker 1: use TikTok, and in the description of the YouTube video
[3:25:51] Speaker 1: there's a guest request link. But so the evil God
[3:25:54] Speaker 1: hypothesis is basically what you said, where there actually is
[3:25:57] Speaker 1: a god, but the god is actually evil. He's evil
[3:26:00] Speaker 1: because the book is the Bible, is basically the evidence
[3:26:05] Speaker 1: that he exists, that he's evil because he's tricked humanity.
[3:26:09] Speaker 1: And my favorite edition of the evil God hypothesis is
[3:26:11] Speaker 1: done by Sebastian Cole, a friend of mine, on TikTok.
[3:26:14] Speaker 1: But the general idea is that the God of the
[3:26:17] Speaker 1: Bible is so evil he has tricked you so severely
[3:26:22] Speaker 1: that you don't know even what right and wrong is
[3:26:25] Speaker 1: where you think that it's okay to murder an innocent
[3:26:28] Speaker 1: human being. So the evil God wants to murder people,
[3:26:32] Speaker 1: wants to harm people, and has convinced you that this
[3:26:36] Speaker 1: is actually a good thing, which is exactly what an
[3:26:40] Speaker 1: evil god would do, is convince you that harming innocent
[3:26:44] Speaker 1: people is good.
[3:26:46] Speaker 20: Okay, Okay, I can I can see the similarity in
[3:26:49] Speaker 20: the arguments. However, my contention is that God did this
[3:26:54] Speaker 20: not out of not as an evil god, but as
[3:26:57] Speaker 20: a God of love, because his goal goal for us
[3:27:01] Speaker 20: is different than what is stated in the Bible.
[3:27:04] Speaker 6: Uh.
[3:27:04] Speaker 20: His goal for us is to pick apart this narrative,
[3:27:08] Speaker 20: to pick apart in these scriptures, and to arrive at
[3:27:11] Speaker 20: a truth if you look at the like the oftentimes
[3:27:14] Speaker 20: God is referred to as the father and we are children.
[3:27:17] Speaker 20: As a father myself, my goal for my children is
[3:27:21] Speaker 20: not to raise big babies, but I want adults. I
[3:27:26] Speaker 20: want grown ups that I can have a really, I
[3:27:29] Speaker 20: mean honestly, like it's the perfect opportunity to make people
[3:27:32] Speaker 20: that you like.
[3:27:32] Speaker 3: So the.
[3:27:35] Speaker 20: Kind of it's more like a it's a it's the
[3:27:39] Speaker 20: the the tool that is the that it to kind
[3:27:42] Speaker 20: of put us on the on the on the journey,
[3:27:44] Speaker 20: on the path. You know, it still is about truth.
[3:27:48] Speaker 20: It's just that his his tool for it is by
[3:27:52] Speaker 20: giving us a lie. Knowing that we hate lies. You
[3:27:55] Speaker 20: don't have to teach somebody to to not like to
[3:27:58] Speaker 20: be lied to. And as soon as you tell somebody
[3:28:01] Speaker 20: this is the truth and there's nothing wrong with it,
[3:28:03] Speaker 20: is infallible. The first thing that almost everybody wants to
[3:28:06] Speaker 20: do is start looking for problems. Let me find the inaccuracies.
[3:28:10] Speaker 20: Where are you wrong there? It can't possibly be perfect.
[3:28:14] Speaker 20: It's it's instinctual and honestly, like in terms of like
[3:28:18] Speaker 20: a objective or subjective morality, I think that that's one
[3:28:21] Speaker 20: of the only objectively that's not really a moral, but
[3:28:24] Speaker 20: it's kind of an objective truth about people, is that
[3:28:29] Speaker 20: they will they they'll look to find where you're wrong.
[3:28:35] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[3:28:36] Speaker 1: Yeah, So I think one of the flaws in the
[3:28:41] Speaker 1: theory is it has the same problem that the Christians
[3:28:45] Speaker 1: fall prey to, which is that the book is acting
[3:28:50] Speaker 1: as evidence.
[3:28:51] Speaker 20: Oh it's circular, one hundred percent.
[3:28:53] Speaker 2: Right, exactly, It's still a circular argument.
[3:28:55] Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think I think your hypothesis, given
[3:28:59] Speaker 1: the data that we have, is more supported than the
[3:29:03] Speaker 1: Christian hypothesis, which says, we have this book which describes
[3:29:06] Speaker 1: a bile God, but God is all loving and he
[3:29:09] Speaker 1: wants to have a relationship with you.
[3:29:12] Speaker 2: And that's why.
[3:29:13] Speaker 20: That's why I said, like from the from my like my,
[3:29:15] Speaker 20: my preamble on the on the crappy connection call is
[3:29:19] Speaker 20: that I had a an argument that was from a
[3:29:22] Speaker 20: theistic perspective that accounted for all of the problems in
[3:29:25] Speaker 20: the Bible, but was still like, you know, this is
[3:29:28] Speaker 20: real and and it to me it seems like it's
[3:29:33] Speaker 20: the only I don't know, semi coherent argument that that
[3:29:39] Speaker 20: is okay with the God of that still says the
[3:29:42] Speaker 20: God of the Bible loves us and cares about us,
[3:29:45] Speaker 20: or is at least semi interested in our our existence.
[3:29:50] Speaker 20: Uh and uh. But at the same time, is provided
[3:29:56] Speaker 20: us this text for some reason.
[3:29:59] Speaker 2: Right right right, yeah, yeah, and the reason is because
[3:30:02] Speaker 2: he's an evil gone.
[3:30:04] Speaker 20: Well, I mean, I don't have a great argument against.
[3:30:07] Speaker 3: That, sir.
[3:30:09] Speaker 2: That's a really good hypothesis.
[3:30:10] Speaker 1: I actually really enjoy the many variants of the evil
[3:30:13] Speaker 1: god hypothesis, so I appreciate that.
[3:30:17] Speaker 20: Okay, cool, Well, thank you very much for your time.
[3:30:20] Speaker 20: I'm a huge fan I got I was doing some
[3:30:22] Speaker 20: DIY stuff in the garage one day and YouTube was like,
[3:30:24] Speaker 20: check out this guy. And I was like, all right,
[3:30:26] Speaker 20: well we'll see. And here I am months later and
[3:30:29] Speaker 20: still listening. So I guess YouTube was right on this
[3:30:31] Speaker 20: particular instance.
[3:30:32] Speaker 1: Hey, thanks, Chris. I really appreciate watching and supporting.
[3:30:36] Speaker 20: All Right, man, we'll have a great night, and you know,
[3:30:38] Speaker 20: I'll be here, be here till the you know, the
[3:30:40] Speaker 20: second coming or whatever.
[3:30:42] Speaker 2: It might be a while, but thank you so much.
[3:30:44] Speaker 20: Hey, I'm patient. I'm patient.
[3:30:46] Speaker 8: All right, cheers Chris.
[3:30:47] Speaker 2: Big W for Chris.
[3:30:48] Speaker 1: Guys, big W for Chris. I'm glad he actually got
[3:30:52] Speaker 1: his connection worked out. All right, we've got a guest
[3:30:55] Speaker 1: waiting to get in on the youtubee. Let me grab
[3:30:58] Speaker 1: our guest here. Hi doing Ephi doing?
[3:31:05] Speaker 2: Hey, what's up?
[3:31:05] Speaker 4: Man?
[3:31:06] Speaker 2: How you doing? Not too bad? App?
[3:31:08] Speaker 1: Have any headphones you can put in because you've got
[3:31:10] Speaker 1: a really bad echo echo on your phone?
[3:31:13] Speaker 3: Uh?
[3:31:16] Speaker 2: Headphones? No?
[3:31:19] Speaker 3: Is it?
[3:31:19] Speaker 17: Is?
[3:31:19] Speaker 2: It? Really really bad? Yeah?
[3:31:21] Speaker 1: Everything I say is coming out of your speaker and
[3:31:24] Speaker 1: echoing back in your microphone, back in your microphone.
[3:31:28] Speaker 2: Hmmm, let me try it. Yeah, I have some headphones.
[3:31:32] Speaker 2: So on, Yeah, one second.
[3:31:44] Speaker 1: While he's getting his headphones. Guys, if you're watching on YouTube,
[3:31:48] Speaker 1: there's a link in the description of the video for
[3:31:50] Speaker 1: you to join the conversation. If you're watching on TikTok,
[3:31:54] Speaker 1: you already know how to join. You hit that guest
[3:31:56] Speaker 1: request button in the bottom of the screen and you'll
[3:31:59] Speaker 1: be old to.
[3:32:00] Speaker 2: Enter the conversation. Let's see if EP's got it figured out?
[3:32:07] Speaker 2: What about and I? Can you hear me now?
[3:32:10] Speaker 4: Well?
[3:32:10] Speaker 1: I can hear you the whole time. The problem is
[3:32:12] Speaker 1: I can hear me as well? Can hear me as well?
[3:32:15] Speaker 2: Okay, hold on, I got them in now let's see.
[3:32:19] Speaker 2: Are you get them connected?
[3:32:20] Speaker 1: You get them connected? Your audio is working, but your
[3:32:27] Speaker 1: your your connection seems to be slowed down real quick.
[3:32:30] Speaker 1: You're frozen.
[3:32:30] Speaker 21: Now.
[3:32:32] Speaker 1: I think your connection died.
[3:32:35] Speaker 2: Is that is that they're now? Well?
[3:32:38] Speaker 1: I think your connection is back, But the echo is
[3:32:39] Speaker 1: still there. The echo is still there.
[3:32:41] Speaker 8: It's weird.
[3:32:42] Speaker 9: It's weird.
[3:32:45] Speaker 2: I'm trying to connect to my head budge right now,
[3:32:47] Speaker 2: but they won't connect. They won't connect. Yeah, they said
[3:32:51] Speaker 2: they're connecting, But.
[3:32:54] Speaker 4: How's that?
[3:32:55] Speaker 2: Can you hear me now? I can hear you the
[3:32:57] Speaker 2: whole time. Actually whatever you just did. Pick that better? Yeah,
[3:33:00] Speaker 2: the headphones are working now, okay, So that's better. Good.
[3:33:04] Speaker 20: Okay.
[3:33:06] Speaker 1: So so yeah, ep, are you at least eighteen and
[3:33:09] Speaker 1: are you a believer?
[3:33:12] Speaker 2: Yes, I'm thirty five and I'm a Yeah, I'm a
[3:33:14] Speaker 2: faithful believer, yes, sir. Okay. And why should I or
[3:33:18] Speaker 2: anyone else trust the Bible?
[3:33:21] Speaker 3: Well?
[3:33:21] Speaker 2: Why, well, there there are plenty of reasons why you
[3:33:23] Speaker 2: can trust the Bible. I'll just give you one, as
[3:33:26] Speaker 2: far as the unity and the inspiration that it that
[3:33:30] Speaker 2: itself claims. What do you mean by just okay? Unity
[3:33:35] Speaker 2: of the Bible? So from from from beginning to end,
[3:33:37] Speaker 2: and I'm sure you've heard these arguments. You have sixty
[3:33:40] Speaker 2: six books. Actually, the Bible isn't just one book. It's
[3:33:43] Speaker 2: a compilation. It's a library, right, And so it's a library.
[3:33:46] Speaker 23: It's a compilation of sixty six books written over you know,
[3:33:52] Speaker 23: fifteen hundred years, and from beginning from book cover, yeah,
[3:33:57] Speaker 23: from book nd from book in you have authors who
[3:34:02] Speaker 23: never met each other.
[3:34:03] Speaker 2: Have over that's your authors never met each other.
[3:34:05] Speaker 1: Not even close to true.
[3:34:08] Speaker 2: It's not the we got over forty authors.
[3:34:11] Speaker 1: They literally quote each other are you aware that some
[3:34:14] Speaker 1: of the major profits quote each other, and the New
[3:34:17] Speaker 1: Testament authors talk about how they met in Acts Chapter fifteen,
[3:34:21] Speaker 1: there was a council between.
[3:34:22] Speaker 2: Paul and the all of the Jerusalem Council.
[3:34:26] Speaker 1: They all knew each other, and the Old Testament prophets
[3:34:28] Speaker 1: knew each other as well quite often.
[3:34:32] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[3:34:32] Speaker 2: Acts fifteen is talking about the Jerusalem Council. Yes, now,
[3:34:35] Speaker 2: now prophets, did Paul recommends? I mean he, I mean
[3:34:37] Speaker 2: he hearkens back to the Old Testament all the time.
[3:34:40] Speaker 2: He in fact says, those things which were written before
[3:34:43] Speaker 2: time were written for our learning. So obviously he's going
[3:34:45] Speaker 2: to but it's the old it's the old proverb. That's
[3:34:48] Speaker 2: why were the old truth is that the Old Testament
[3:34:51] Speaker 2: is the New Testament concealed, and the New Testament is
[3:34:53] Speaker 2: the Old Testament revealed.
[3:34:54] Speaker 1: Yeah, I just the New Testament is the Old Testament contradicted.
[3:35:00] Speaker 2: No, no, it's not. It's a complete harmonization, not even close.
[3:35:04] Speaker 2: And so in order of you for you to say disagree,
[3:35:07] Speaker 2: well show me why this disagreement is the case, because
[3:35:09] Speaker 2: I can show you the unity of the scriptures. I
[3:35:11] Speaker 2: can show it's like this. So inspiration has three ways, right,
[3:35:14] Speaker 2: you have. The inspiration is going to come in three ways.
[3:35:16] Speaker 2: Everybody knows, all the scholars know this, right. No, it's
[3:35:19] Speaker 2: either going to be mechanical dictation, thought and inspiration or
[3:35:22] Speaker 2: plenary verbal inspiration. And so I'm under the conviction and
[3:35:27] Speaker 2: the impression that the Bible was plinary verbal inspired, which
[3:35:31] Speaker 2: means two peter, I mean tewod Timothy three, sixteen seventeen. Right,
[3:35:35] Speaker 2: all scripture is given by God. That's stale newstas, which
[3:35:39] Speaker 2: means God breathe. And so the Bible itself even claims.
[3:35:43] Speaker 1: Inspiration cool used to be circumcised. No, what about what
[3:35:51] Speaker 1: the Old Testament says?
[3:35:52] Speaker 17: Have you have?
[3:35:52] Speaker 2: You're ad? Actually have you had?
[3:35:54] Speaker 3: Have you read says that.
[3:35:57] Speaker 1: According to the Old Testament, do the gentiles need to
[3:36:00] Speaker 1: be circumcised in the New Jerusalem?
[3:36:04] Speaker 2: No they don't. Okay, have you bothered to read Ezekiel
[3:36:07] Speaker 2: forty four. Yeah, but that's the Old Testament.
[3:36:10] Speaker 1: And Ezekiel forty four talks about the New Jerusalem, says,
[3:36:14] Speaker 1: thus saith the Lord God, no foreigner uncircumcised in heart
[3:36:19] Speaker 1: and flesh, of all the foreigners who are among the
[3:36:22] Speaker 1: people of Israel shall enter my sanctuary in the New Jerusalem.
[3:36:27] Speaker 2: Okay, So now you're going to go to Ezekiel forty
[3:36:30] Speaker 2: four and you're talking, you're taking that out of context
[3:36:33] Speaker 2: to try to prove a point.
[3:36:34] Speaker 1: I didn't take it out of context. What's the context
[3:36:36] Speaker 1: in any text?
[3:36:36] Speaker 2: Taking out of context?
[3:36:37] Speaker 1: What's the context of Ezekiel forty four is a pretext?
[3:36:40] Speaker 1: What's the context of Ezekiel forty four? Stop getting up
[3:36:43] Speaker 1: here and lying.
[3:36:46] Speaker 2: I'm not lying. I have no reason to lie about anything. Man,
[3:36:50] Speaker 2: what's the context that I'm fixing to tell you right now?
[3:36:54] Speaker 2: But let me just turn over there in my Bible
[3:36:56] Speaker 2: right now? So you don't know it.
[3:36:58] Speaker 1: So how do you know I'm missing the context if
[3:36:59] Speaker 1: you don't even know what the it is about.
[3:37:01] Speaker 2: It's not that I don't know it.
[3:37:02] Speaker 1: You said, I'm taking it out of context, but you
[3:37:04] Speaker 1: don't know what the context is.
[3:37:07] Speaker 2: I know what the context is called lying, And that's
[3:37:10] Speaker 2: that's fine. No, it's not. You're breaking trying to go
[3:37:13] Speaker 2: to it. You know whats going Well, I don't believe right,
[3:37:17] Speaker 2: and and you're going to do all this because all
[3:37:19] Speaker 2: you're trying to do is confuse. People that are not
[3:37:21] Speaker 2: confusing are the one that's confused. Now you can sit
[3:37:24] Speaker 2: down and have a good conversation. I can tell you
[3:37:26] Speaker 2: what that what that actually is. Okay, the context of
[3:37:28] Speaker 2: Ezekiel forty four. But you're trying to go to the
[3:37:30] Speaker 2: rules for the levitical priesthood, which are no longer under
[3:37:33] Speaker 2: levitical priestess rules forty four. It's not. Yes, it is
[3:37:38] Speaker 2: ezek forty four. Fifteen says, but the priests, the lee Vice,
[3:37:40] Speaker 2: the sons of Zaydac, that kept the charge of my sanctuary.
[3:37:43] Speaker 2: When the children's vision went a straight from me, they
[3:37:46] Speaker 2: shall come near to me, to minister onto me. Yes,
[3:37:48] Speaker 2: and they shall. This is when Okay, that's under the
[3:37:54] Speaker 2: levitical priesthood.
[3:37:56] Speaker 1: When what time period is this referring to?
[3:37:59] Speaker 2: Okay, polytical priesthood is all the way from the Law
[3:38:02] Speaker 2: and Moses, all the way to the Cross of Christ. No,
[3:38:04] Speaker 2: it's not.
[3:38:04] Speaker 1: The livitical priest is forever according to Ezekiel forty four,
[3:38:08] Speaker 1: and according to Isah chapter sixty six it is negative.
[3:38:11] Speaker 19: So in.
[3:38:13] Speaker 2: Chapter seven to Hebrews, chapter seven.
[3:38:16] Speaker 1: I don't care about the Book of Hebrews. I'm reading right. Well,
[3:38:19] Speaker 1: that's the thank you. I'm reading you what the old
[3:38:21] Speaker 1: Testament has to say. So the New Jerusalem starts in
[3:38:25] Speaker 1: the book of Ezekiel, and we get measurements for the
[3:38:29] Speaker 1: temple in the new Jerusalem, says the temple instructions in
[3:38:33] Speaker 1: the twenty fifth year of our exile, at the beginning
[3:38:35] Speaker 1: of the year, on the tenth day of the month
[3:38:37] Speaker 1: in the fourteenth year, after the city was struck down,
[3:38:40] Speaker 1: upon that very day, the hand of the Lord was
[3:38:42] Speaker 1: upon me and brought me there, and he brought me
[3:38:45] Speaker 1: in a vision of God, the hand of visual and
[3:38:48] Speaker 1: set me down upon a very high mountain on which
[3:38:50] Speaker 1: was a structure like a city to the south. So
[3:38:54] Speaker 1: he's showing them now the beginning of the new Jerusalem.
[3:38:57] Speaker 1: And he brought me there, and a man was there
[3:38:59] Speaker 1: whose appearance was shown like bronze, and so on and
[3:39:01] Speaker 1: so forth. And then he gives them all the measurements
[3:39:04] Speaker 1: for the new temple that's going to be in the
[3:39:07] Speaker 1: new Jerusalem.
[3:39:08] Speaker 2: And this goes on.
[3:39:10] Speaker 1: In fact, he even goes on to talk about the
[3:39:12] Speaker 1: throne that is going to be placed there. This is
[3:39:15] Speaker 1: going to be an outer court that's placed there. Says
[3:39:17] Speaker 1: there's going to be a sanctuary which has faces, and
[3:39:21] Speaker 1: says the Lord said to me, this gate shall remain shut.
[3:39:23] Speaker 2: It shall not be open.
[3:39:24] Speaker 1: No one shall enter it, for the Lord, the God
[3:39:27] Speaker 1: of Israel, has entered by it. That's the final promise.
[3:39:31] Speaker 1: When it says that Yahweh will be with his people,
[3:39:34] Speaker 1: that he will be his god, I'm sorry, he will
[3:39:36] Speaker 1: be their God and they will be his people. This
[3:39:39] Speaker 1: is the new Jerusalem that's being talked about in the
[3:39:43] Speaker 1: book of Ezekiel. Have you read all of Ezekiel?
[3:39:47] Speaker 2: Yes? Okay, And do you know what you're talking about
[3:39:49] Speaker 2: is apocalyptic language.
[3:39:51] Speaker 1: You can go to Revelue and do you know that
[3:39:53] Speaker 1: the second half of Ezekiel when it talks about the
[3:39:56] Speaker 1: new Temple and the new Jerusalem, that this is something
[3:40:00] Speaker 1: for the es catalogical period, for the distant future.
[3:40:05] Speaker 2: The very end of things. Is this your understanding? Oh no,
[3:40:09] Speaker 2: because that's pre millennialism, and I'm not a premillennialist.
[3:40:12] Speaker 1: Is not about pre millennialism. It is about what the
[3:40:14] Speaker 1: uld Is text says.
[3:40:17] Speaker 2: No, it's not. It's pre millennialism, and it's figurative languages,
[3:40:20] Speaker 2: and it talks about it.
[3:40:22] Speaker 1: It's figurative, it's apocryphal, it's not figurative, and it's not apocryphal.
[3:40:27] Speaker 1: You don't even know what these words mean.
[3:40:28] Speaker 2: And why is it that? Yes, I don't know what
[3:40:30] Speaker 2: that means. You don't know what.
[3:40:33] Speaker 1: The apocrypha refers to a specific type of text, which
[3:40:36] Speaker 1: this is not.
[3:40:38] Speaker 2: Right apocalyptic.
[3:40:40] Speaker 1: You didn't say apocalyptic, you said apocryphal.
[3:40:44] Speaker 2: Right apocalyptic? Is You're right? I misspoken. It's apocalyptic, That's
[3:40:47] Speaker 2: what I mean. Okay. So the second half of a
[3:40:50] Speaker 2: book of its apocalyptic talks.
[3:40:51] Speaker 1: About the new Jerusalem and what is the new Jerusalem
[3:40:54] Speaker 1: according to the Bible?
[3:40:57] Speaker 2: What is the new Jerusalem according to the Bible? Yep,
[3:41:00] Speaker 2: Why I thought you didn't believe the Bible.
[3:41:02] Speaker 1: I'm asking you.
[3:41:03] Speaker 2: I could tell you what the new Jerusalem is according
[3:41:05] Speaker 2: to the Bible.
[3:41:06] Speaker 1: What is the new Jerusalem?
[3:41:09] Speaker 2: The new Jerusalem is going to be obviously having or
[3:41:13] Speaker 2: the Church. I believe it's the Church.
[3:41:16] Speaker 1: No, the new Jerusalem, according to Ezekiel, has measurements and
[3:41:20] Speaker 1: there are people that live there.
[3:41:22] Speaker 2: And that's why it's figurative language to take it's all figurative. No, no, no, no, no, okay,
[3:41:30] Speaker 2: So you're trying to do that.
[3:41:31] Speaker 1: So Ezekiel thirty seven is all figurative when it talks
[3:41:34] Speaker 1: about the Messiah, and it is thirty seven.
[3:41:37] Speaker 2: What principles do you use for hermeneutics? What hermonical principles?
[3:41:42] Speaker 1: Principle is that the stuff that you don't like is
[3:41:44] Speaker 1: not just metaphor because you don't like what it says.
[3:41:47] Speaker 1: You actually have to take the call. You have to
[3:41:48] Speaker 1: understand of the actual passage. And I'll help you out here.
[3:41:51] Speaker 1: Ep I'm already ahead of you. I've got a bachelor's
[3:41:54] Speaker 1: degree and a master's degree in biblical studies. You're in
[3:41:57] Speaker 1: the wrong place to pretend like I'm a dullard here.
[3:42:00] Speaker 1: So if you want to have an adult conversation, well
[3:42:02] Speaker 1: I can show you my credentials as well too. But
[3:42:04] Speaker 1: if you want to have an adult conversation, we can
[3:42:07] Speaker 1: have an adult conversation. But if you get up here
[3:42:10] Speaker 1: and start insinuating that somehow I'm stupid, I'm going to
[3:42:13] Speaker 1: clown you in front of all these people, and then
[3:42:15] Speaker 1: I'm going to make fun of you and embarrass you
[3:42:17] Speaker 1: to your mother's face. So I'll just warn you now,
[3:42:21] Speaker 1: do you want to have an adult conversation or do
[3:42:23] Speaker 1: you want to get clowned on or stupid?
[3:42:26] Speaker 2: You're the one who's You're the one who's hurling a text.
[3:42:28] Speaker 2: I don't know why you're getting so offensive.
[3:42:30] Speaker 1: For I'm not offensive right now. I'm letting you know
[3:42:34] Speaker 1: right now how this conversation is going to go. It's
[3:42:37] Speaker 1: up to you which way you want the conversation to go.
[3:42:43] Speaker 2: I don't know.
[3:42:43] Speaker 1: He keeps talking while I'm talking. Here's the other thing, ep,
[3:42:47] Speaker 1: If you keep talking while I'm talking.
[3:42:48] Speaker 2: I have to mute you.
[3:42:49] Speaker 1: I would prefer not to do that. I don't want
[3:42:52] Speaker 1: to mute you. What I want you to do is
[3:42:54] Speaker 1: to have an adult conversation where you don't talk over me.
[3:42:58] Speaker 1: Can are you capable of doing that?
[3:43:00] Speaker 2: Yes? Sure?
[3:43:02] Speaker 1: Okay, fantastic, Okay, So are you aware in Ezekiel thirty
[3:43:05] Speaker 1: seven there is in fact a Messianic prophecy?
[3:43:11] Speaker 2: What specific verse I can pull it up?
[3:43:13] Speaker 1: Ezekiel thirty seven starts in twenty four.
[3:43:21] Speaker 2: Yeah, yep, okay. Neither shall they defile themselves anymore with
[3:43:26] Speaker 2: their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any
[3:43:29] Speaker 2: of the transgressions. But I will save them all their
[3:43:31] Speaker 2: dwelling places when they have sin, and I will cleanse them,
[3:43:34] Speaker 2: so they shall be my people, and I will be
[3:43:36] Speaker 2: their God. That's right. Keep reading yep, yeah, and David
[3:43:39] Speaker 2: my servant right, that's talking to the reference to the Christ.
[3:43:42] Speaker 2: David my servant shall be king over them.
[3:43:43] Speaker 1: That's Rightence, and Christ, what's you gonna do?
[3:43:47] Speaker 2: Right? And they shall have one shepherd, and they shall
[3:43:50] Speaker 2: also walk my judgment, observe my statutes, and do them
[3:43:52] Speaker 2: exactly right factly. Okay.
[3:43:53] Speaker 1: It says they shall follow my ordnance and be careful
[3:43:55] Speaker 1: to observe my statutes. They will live in the land
[3:43:59] Speaker 1: that I gave to my servant, Jacob, in which your
[3:44:01] Speaker 1: ancestors lived. Is this a physical land?
[3:44:06] Speaker 2: Yeah, no, that's that's physical line.
[3:44:07] Speaker 1: Yeah, sure, Okay, So how is this not a metaphor?
[3:44:13] Speaker 2: Because well, I mean you have to look at certain language, certain, right,
[3:44:16] Speaker 2: you have to look at certain terms and certain languages, right,
[3:44:18] Speaker 2: And so obviously there are some times where the Bible
[3:44:20] Speaker 2: is going to use figurative language to describe certain things,
[3:44:23] Speaker 2: they're going to use literal language, right, And so then
[3:44:25] Speaker 2: that's why I said, the context will determine what language
[3:44:28] Speaker 2: is being used. So I'm not I'm not you're you're right.
[3:44:32] Speaker 2: I mean, there is a messianic prophecy there, right, and
[3:44:34] Speaker 2: that's obviously the land that is duelling. It's because well,
[3:44:37] Speaker 2: the exiles, right, the Genius were both carried away into
[3:44:40] Speaker 2: a Serman captivity in seven twenty two, and then they
[3:44:42] Speaker 2: were carried Judah was carried away and Babylonian captivity in
[3:44:45] Speaker 2: five eighty six, and the temple was destroyed. So I
[3:44:47] Speaker 2: get all that. So God is talking about he's going
[3:44:49] Speaker 2: to bring his people back, and obviously his people will join,
[3:44:52] Speaker 2: you know, the Messiah would would lead his people. That's right.
[3:44:55] Speaker 1: And what's the Messiah going to do when he gets there?
[3:44:57] Speaker 1: He tells you in the passage.
[3:45:00] Speaker 2: He's gonna right, He's going to give statutes, right, and he's.
[3:45:03] Speaker 1: Going to bring the people back to the physical land
[3:45:05] Speaker 1: that was promised to their ancestor, and he's going to
[3:45:08] Speaker 1: be king over them forever. It says, I'll make a
[3:45:10] Speaker 1: covenant a peace with them. I'm going to be an
[3:45:12] Speaker 1: everlasting covenant with them, and i will bless them and
[3:45:14] Speaker 1: multiply them, and i will set my sanctuary among them forever.
[3:45:18] Speaker 1: This is in line with the other prophetic utterances that
[3:45:21] Speaker 1: the actual temple is going to be in the physical
[3:45:25] Speaker 1: land with the people.
[3:45:27] Speaker 2: Right. But you said, but she noticed, David, right, is
[3:45:30] Speaker 2: it literally David. David's been long and dead already by
[3:45:33] Speaker 2: this time. Right, So that's how we know, right, Well,
[3:45:36] Speaker 2: this was that idea of talking about right, it's not
[3:45:38] Speaker 2: literally David.
[3:45:39] Speaker 3: Right.
[3:45:39] Speaker 2: That's why I said, the context has to determine who's
[3:45:42] Speaker 2: being talked. Well, it's going to be the son of David,
[3:45:43] Speaker 2: which will be the Christ, the Messiah? Right? And yes,
[3:45:46] Speaker 2: obviously when Jesus came, I believe it's Jesus. Right, he
[3:45:50] Speaker 2: will literally be king of kings and lord of lords.
[3:45:54] Speaker 2: Jesus would also say, he says, Jesus says, my kingdom
[3:45:57] Speaker 2: is not of this war. For if it was of
[3:45:58] Speaker 2: this world, my servants would fight.
[3:46:00] Speaker 1: That's what I would say if I was not the
[3:46:01] Speaker 1: real king too, If I was not the king and
[3:46:04] Speaker 1: the prophecy said I would be a king, I would
[3:46:06] Speaker 1: make up some bullshit excuse about how I've got a
[3:46:08] Speaker 1: kingdom far away. Jesus is just Jesus is just your
[3:46:12] Speaker 1: your junior high Canadian girlfriend?
[3:46:16] Speaker 2: Can you can you can you can you give me
[3:46:18] Speaker 2: any evidence for that? Why you describe why you don't
[3:46:20] Speaker 2: think Jesus was the king of the Jews, Because Plot
[3:46:24] Speaker 2: even wrote it above his inscription.
[3:46:26] Speaker 1: Right, he was mocking him. Yeah, I get that, I
[3:46:29] Speaker 1: get that, but he was mocking he was there an
[3:46:32] Speaker 1: actual king in Israel when Jesus was alive, Yeah.
[3:46:36] Speaker 2: There were Yeah, I mean you had Herod, right, and
[3:46:38] Speaker 2: then you had I mean, then you had Roman. The
[3:46:41] Speaker 2: Roman emperor was actually a king. Right, So when you
[3:46:44] Speaker 2: got Augustus that was around that time, and then was
[3:46:48] Speaker 2: it Tiberius was the same person, Ry Tiberius, Augustus Tiberius,
[3:46:51] Speaker 2: Well he was a Roman. Yeah, he's the same.
[3:46:54] Speaker 1: So Jesus was never actually a king. He was made
[3:46:57] Speaker 1: fun of by the Romans for not being a king.
[3:46:59] Speaker 1: They mocked him.
[3:47:04] Speaker 2: Uh, well, Jesus is king, right, and so you know,
[3:47:08] Speaker 2: like Revelation nineteen sixteen talks about king of kings, right,
[3:47:10] Speaker 2: Jesus being king of king, lord of lords.
[3:47:12] Speaker 1: But that's not true because he's not a king saying
[3:47:15] Speaker 1: he'll be a king when he comes.
[3:47:16] Speaker 2: Just because you say it's not true, just because you
[3:47:19] Speaker 2: say it's not true doesn't mean it's not true.
[3:47:20] Speaker 1: Well, give me the evidence that's true. Well, he said,
[3:47:24] Speaker 1: he says it, he says in Matthew sixteen eighteen.
[3:47:26] Speaker 2: Right, but if you will wow wow, okay, Well, I
[3:47:31] Speaker 2: mean why that's the thing is, so you don't care
[3:47:34] Speaker 2: what he says, and that's that's the problem. Right, So
[3:47:36] Speaker 2: you're saying, the problem is I don't believe.
[3:47:38] Speaker 1: Why is the prophecy otherwise Jesus is the fulfilled?
[3:47:43] Speaker 2: Why should I believe that? You don't care?
[3:47:46] Speaker 1: Why give me the why I should care?
[3:47:50] Speaker 2: Okay, So it's it's it's like this. It's it's like this,
[3:47:52] Speaker 2: either Jesus is lord, lunatic or liar. Right, he's a
[3:47:55] Speaker 2: liar and you're going to say he's a liar. Right.
[3:48:00] Speaker 2: So if Jesus fulfills the prophecies, right, which he did,
[3:48:03] Speaker 2: he didn't feel you have Yes, he did zero prophecies.
[3:48:09] Speaker 2: Michael five two, right, Michael five. Isaiah seven is not.
[3:48:16] Speaker 3: How many?
[3:48:17] Speaker 2: You say that how many people were born in Bethlehem?
[3:48:21] Speaker 2: How many people were born in Bethlehem. Yeah, it doesn't matter.
[3:48:24] Speaker 2: The prophecy was about the Messiah being born in Bethlehem.
[3:48:26] Speaker 1: But it actually didn't necessarily say that that he would
[3:48:29] Speaker 1: be the Messiah. But it does talk about someone who's
[3:48:31] Speaker 1: going to be a king. It says, but you o
[3:48:34] Speaker 1: Bethlehem of Ephratha, who are of the little clans of Judah?
[3:48:37] Speaker 2: From you Ephratha.
[3:48:42] Speaker 1: It's a pratha from you shall come forth for me
[3:48:45] Speaker 1: one who is the rule in Israel, whose origin is
[3:48:47] Speaker 1: from old from ancient days. Did Jesus rule in Israel?
[3:48:52] Speaker 2: Yes? Wrong, Yes, no he did.
[3:48:55] Speaker 6: He did.
[3:48:56] Speaker 1: Cool, show me the passage where he was on the throne,
[3:48:58] Speaker 1: not physically, not oh, not physically. Yeah, I'm the spiritual
[3:49:02] Speaker 1: king of Israel.
[3:49:03] Speaker 6: Prove me wrong.
[3:49:06] Speaker 2: See that. That's fine. You can sit there and mark
[3:49:08] Speaker 2: all you want.
[3:49:08] Speaker 1: Right, I'm not mocking you. I'm demonstrating. If you're a claim,
[3:49:12] Speaker 1: it's not. It's not mocking me. I'm the king of Iota. H.
[3:49:19] Speaker 2: Here's here's, here's here's You can't go back to the prophecies, right, yeah,
[3:49:23] Speaker 2: let's go to Isaiah two. I can prove it.
[3:49:24] Speaker 1: You're not going until you respond to what I said.
[3:49:26] Speaker 2: We're not moving on. I am the king of Israel
[3:49:29] Speaker 2: right now.
[3:49:29] Speaker 1: Prove me wrong.
[3:49:32] Speaker 2: Okay. First of all, you're not even You can't even
[3:49:34] Speaker 2: trace your lineage back to the tribe of David. Right,
[3:49:37] Speaker 2: so it's like or the trivial Judah. You can't prove
[3:49:39] Speaker 2: that you're so.
[3:49:39] Speaker 1: David is my ancestor.
[3:49:43] Speaker 2: No, you can't prove it. Show me your genealogy. That's
[3:49:45] Speaker 2: the reason why you go to Matthew one. You can
[3:49:47] Speaker 2: see the genealogy of Jesus. You go to loop three Jesus, Jesus.
[3:49:50] Speaker 1: Goes to Joseph. Joseph wasn't the father of Jesus. Listen, Mary, Mary, Mary,
[3:49:57] Speaker 1: prove that I'm not still in that genealogy.
[3:50:00] Speaker 2: That's the reason why. There's the reason why you have
[3:50:02] Speaker 2: five women mentioned. Mary is marious. No, she's not.
[3:50:07] Speaker 1: She's not part of that genealogy.
[3:50:09] Speaker 2: You can go to Matthew one and look up Luke
[3:50:11] Speaker 2: three and find that they both have the same They
[3:50:13] Speaker 2: both kill it right now if you want, listen, Mary
[3:50:18] Speaker 2: and Joseph had the same family members in their in
[3:50:21] Speaker 2: their genealogies. Mary was a leevite. You want you want
[3:50:27] Speaker 2: to look at the scriptures or now I've got it
[3:50:30] Speaker 2: open right now?
[3:50:31] Speaker 1: Were you ready? Okay, So let's go to Luke. This
[3:50:34] Speaker 1: is gonna be a painful lesson Luke chapter three.
[3:50:40] Speaker 2: Okay. So when you look at when you look at
[3:50:45] Speaker 2: let me pull up you look at the Son of Judah. Yeah,
[3:50:57] Speaker 2: starting at verse twenty three is one of the genealogies
[3:51:00] Speaker 2: arts and so you see how he's going to go
[3:51:02] Speaker 2: all the way back to Adam. Right. He starts with
[3:51:04] Speaker 2: Adam at verse thirty eight, and then he's working his
[3:51:06] Speaker 2: way all the way up because Abraham Isaac obviously goes
[3:51:09] Speaker 2: to jesse Bos and then you're gonna have that's David
[3:51:12] Speaker 2: right there, right, David is verse thirty one. And then
[3:51:16] Speaker 2: you look at you come all the way up to Joseph,
[3:51:20] Speaker 2: right to Joseph, not Mary. Right, But if you go
[3:51:24] Speaker 2: back to Joseph, go back all the way to the
[3:51:27] Speaker 2: son of Heli. Now you got to go to Matthew,
[3:51:31] Speaker 2: Matthew chapter one, and you're going to see the same
[3:51:33] Speaker 2: name chapter three, right, and you got to compare with
[3:51:36] Speaker 2: Matthew one as well, because che goes to which individual
[3:51:41] Speaker 2: Mary or Joe, Right, I'm trying to show you just
[3:51:44] Speaker 2: stay to show you that Mary does it go to
[3:51:46] Speaker 2: Joseph or Mary. See you saying, oh, I can't talk
[3:51:50] Speaker 2: over you, but yeah, you get to talk over me.
[3:51:52] Speaker 2: I'm not going to let you somehow, that's okay.
[3:51:54] Speaker 1: I'm not going to let you evade the conversation. So
[3:51:56] Speaker 1: this is how conversations work. If I ask you easy questions,
[3:51:59] Speaker 1: all you have to do is answer the question. If
[3:52:02] Speaker 1: you ask me a question, I'll answer your question. So
[3:52:05] Speaker 1: if I ask you a question and then you run
[3:52:07] Speaker 1: away from it, yes, I will interrupt you.
[3:52:09] Speaker 2: I'm not I'm not running away.
[3:52:10] Speaker 1: I'm not running away from nothing in Luke, I'm not
[3:52:13] Speaker 1: from you wanted to read. Does the geniality go to
[3:52:16] Speaker 1: Mary or does it go.
[3:52:18] Speaker 2: Joseph to Luke? I told you you have to look
[3:52:19] Speaker 2: at Matthew. I promise.
[3:52:22] Speaker 1: You next in Luke, where does the genealogy terminate?
[3:52:29] Speaker 2: It starts at verse it starts at verse thirty eight,
[3:52:32] Speaker 2: and it terminates at verse twenty three with what twenty three?
[3:52:35] Speaker 2: It takes you all the way right, Look, Jesus when
[3:52:38] Speaker 2: he began his ministry was about thirty years of age,
[3:52:40] Speaker 2: being the son as was supposed to Joseph, the son.
[3:52:42] Speaker 1: He left Joseph there goes Okay, So Matthew, the genealogy
[3:52:46] Speaker 1: terminates in Joseph as the parent.
[3:52:49] Speaker 2: Right, okay, but look at who is Joseph's father.
[3:52:53] Speaker 1: It's just a yes or I'm saying, is is the
[3:52:57] Speaker 1: lineage going to Joseph in the book of Luke.
[3:53:01] Speaker 2: Yes, Now go back like you said.
[3:53:03] Speaker 1: Okay, Now show me where it goes to you said,
[3:53:05] Speaker 1: But you said it yourself. You said to yourself, Mary
[3:53:08] Speaker 1: was a Leevite. And if you look at that's the
[3:53:10] Speaker 1: reason why I had you go to Luke three. Because
[3:53:12] Speaker 1: son of mad Matter II, the son of Levi verse.
[3:53:16] Speaker 1: That's not the that's not a parent of Mary.
[3:53:21] Speaker 2: You're not understanding that they had the same fathers and lineage.
[3:53:24] Speaker 2: So if you trace delineus far back, yes, that they
[3:53:27] Speaker 2: were related Joseph and Mary, you're gonna have the same
[3:53:31] Speaker 2: not have the same family members. Mary's lineage. They come
[3:53:35] Speaker 2: from the same tribe.
[3:53:36] Speaker 1: Mary's lineage is not given in the Bible anywhere. The
[3:53:39] Speaker 1: only thing we know about her lineage is that her
[3:53:42] Speaker 1: sister was from the tribe of Levi.
[3:53:44] Speaker 2: That's it. That's all we know. So we came. That's why.
[3:53:47] Speaker 2: That's why you have to go to Matthew. Go to Matthews.
[3:53:50] Speaker 1: All right, let's go to Matthews and Mary.
[3:53:51] Speaker 2: Improve your Mary is mentioned there. Mary is mentioned.
[3:53:55] Speaker 1: Mary is not mentioned in the lineage. Okay, Matthew, chapter one,
[3:54:06] Speaker 1: show me where the lineage goes to marry.
[3:54:10] Speaker 2: That's what I'm reading right now. And Jacob verse sixteen, right, yep, right,
[3:54:25] Speaker 2: And so she's not mentioning the lineage right, no notice?
[3:54:29] Speaker 2: Notice it? Yeah, look at verse sixteen and Jacob the
[3:54:31] Speaker 2: father of Joseph, the husband of marriage of whom Jesus
[3:54:34] Speaker 2: was born called Christ. That is not saying that Jesus
[3:54:37] Speaker 2: from Jacob is the father of Mary.
[3:54:40] Speaker 1: Jacob is the father of who, notice the father of
[3:54:43] Speaker 1: Joseph of Aria. Okay, so Jacob is the father of Joseph.
[3:54:48] Speaker 1: Who's the father of Mary?
[3:54:53] Speaker 2: Listen, Jesus is from That's the reason why I had
[3:54:57] Speaker 2: to go father of Mary. It doesn't say it there.
[3:55:02] Speaker 2: Jesus is directly directly coming from Mary. That's the whole
[3:55:06] Speaker 2: point of going to Mathew Wontas. So that Jesus came
[3:55:08] Speaker 2: from Mary. That's evident that their parents. What we don't
[3:55:12] Speaker 2: know is who Mary's lineage goes to. Her parents are
[3:55:16] Speaker 2: never listed. I get that. I get that. Okay, so
[3:55:20] Speaker 2: Mary is irrelevant, but what But no, she's not irrelevant
[3:55:25] Speaker 2: because she's not me her genealogy. Then it's not it's
[3:55:30] Speaker 2: not I'm saying she was mentioned in the genealogy to
[3:55:33] Speaker 2: prove that Jesus comes from Mary and that Joseph didn't
[3:55:36] Speaker 2: have the son. So obviously this fulfills the prophety to Mary.
[3:55:41] Speaker 2: Everyone agrees that Mary was not Joseph. Not Joseph.
[3:55:45] Speaker 1: Everyone agrees that Mary was the mother of Jesus. There's
[3:55:48] Speaker 1: no question there. The question that we're trying to do,
[3:55:51] Speaker 1: the virgin, the question she wasn't a virgin, But the
[3:55:53] Speaker 1: question we're answering she wasn't. The question that we're answering
[3:55:58] Speaker 1: she wasn't. The questions that were answering right now.
[3:56:00] Speaker 2: It's the hebreword Almah.
[3:56:02] Speaker 1: Almah doesn't mean version. The Hebrew word almah means a
[3:56:05] Speaker 1: young woman.
[3:56:06] Speaker 2: And that's one of the days.
[3:56:09] Speaker 1: I promise we can go there next when you stop
[3:56:11] Speaker 1: talking and pivoting, I will not let you run from
[3:56:15] Speaker 1: this topic until we complete it. So you said that
[3:56:20] Speaker 1: the genealogy goes back to David for Jesus, and you
[3:56:24] Speaker 1: said it went through Mary. Now we're reading the genealogies
[3:56:28] Speaker 1: and neither one of them go through Mary. Would you
[3:56:31] Speaker 1: like to revise your previous claim or can you find
[3:56:35] Speaker 1: me a genealogy of Mary somewhere?
[3:56:38] Speaker 2: Listen? You might have mistaken what I said was Mary
[3:56:42] Speaker 2: was mentioned in the genealogy. I said there were five
[3:56:45] Speaker 2: women mentioned in Matthew's genealogy of Jesus. Five women. I
[3:56:49] Speaker 2: don't care. Everyone knows that Mary was the mother of Jesus.
[3:56:52] Speaker 2: The question is whether or not Mary. Point of that
[3:56:55] Speaker 2: was to prove that Jesus.
[3:56:57] Speaker 1: You brought up the talking point that the lineage of
[3:57:00] Speaker 1: Jesus goes back to King David, and then I showed
[3:57:04] Speaker 1: you that in Luke it goes through Joseph, which wasn't
[3:57:08] Speaker 1: the father of Jesus. And you said that Matthew goes
[3:57:11] Speaker 1: through Mary, which is commonly held a saying, but it's
[3:57:16] Speaker 1: not true. So then we went to Matthew. I made
[3:57:19] Speaker 1: you read Matthew, and it turned out that Matthew didn't
[3:57:21] Speaker 1: give a genealogy of Mary. So ap, I don't know
[3:57:26] Speaker 1: why you're talking. Your screen tells you that you're muted.
[3:57:29] Speaker 1: When you're muted, you should know that you're muted. This
[3:57:32] Speaker 1: is not difficult. So in the conversation that we're having
[3:57:36] Speaker 1: is whether or not Jesus's genealogy goes back to David.
[3:57:41] Speaker 1: Does it go back to David through Mary or does
[3:57:44] Speaker 1: it go back to David through Joseph.
[3:57:48] Speaker 2: Well, obviously it goes back through Joseph.
[3:57:50] Speaker 1: Okay, so then your previous claim is fause was Joseph
[3:57:53] Speaker 1: the father of Jesus.
[3:57:56] Speaker 2: No, he wasn't.
[3:57:56] Speaker 1: Okay, So he's got an adopted that may or may
[3:58:01] Speaker 1: not actually have a lineage that goes back to David.
[3:58:04] Speaker 1: And we've got other problems with the lineage as well.
[3:58:07] Speaker 1: For example, in Matthew, since we're already there, it traces
[3:58:10] Speaker 1: the lineage through who do you know the king that
[3:58:14] Speaker 1: it traces lineage through that was cursed in the Book
[3:58:16] Speaker 1: of Jeremiah, chapter twenty two, said that none of his
[3:58:19] Speaker 1: descendants will sit on the throne of King David.
[3:58:21] Speaker 2: Yeah, Jack and Naiyah, yes, Jack and I Yes. Okay.
[3:58:23] Speaker 1: So that's your first problem is that none of Jack
[3:58:26] Speaker 1: and II's descendants are allowed to sit on the kingly throne.
[3:58:30] Speaker 2: Exactly right, Okay, So Jesus, that's that proves my point
[3:58:33] Speaker 2: that Jesus would not be an earthly king.
[3:58:35] Speaker 1: Yeah, because he can't. It's incapable because his lineage is cursed.
[3:58:40] Speaker 1: But the actual Messianic prophecy says he'll be a literal king.
[3:58:44] Speaker 1: So the fact that Jesus isn't capable of being it, it.
[3:58:47] Speaker 2: Doesn't say that. Go show me where says that he'll
[3:58:49] Speaker 2: be a literal king. As far as like on Earth,
[3:58:52] Speaker 2: we just read it. Yeah, I know that he's a king. Literally,
[3:58:55] Speaker 2: he is a king. Doesn't say he's going to be
[3:58:57] Speaker 2: a king on earth.
[3:58:58] Speaker 1: Yes it does. Ezekield thirty seven says it does. We
[3:59:00] Speaker 1: just read it.
[3:59:01] Speaker 2: I'm going to read it to you again now that
[3:59:03] Speaker 2: you're lying on the Texas. We just read.
[3:59:05] Speaker 1: My servant David will be king over them, and they
[3:59:08] Speaker 1: shall have one shepherd. They shall follow my ordinances and
[3:59:11] Speaker 1: be careful to observe my statues. They will live in
[3:59:14] Speaker 1: the land that I gave to my servant Jacob. That
[3:59:18] Speaker 1: is Israel. That is the land that was given to
[3:59:22] Speaker 1: their servant to Jacob.
[3:59:25] Speaker 2: Okay, this is a physical king over.
[3:59:27] Speaker 1: A physical people in a physical land, and Jesus was
[3:59:31] Speaker 1: not that.
[3:59:33] Speaker 2: Listen to what you're saying again. It does not say
[3:59:36] Speaker 2: that he's going to be king on earth just because
[3:59:39] Speaker 2: you say, oh, this is physical land.
[3:59:41] Speaker 3: No, it does.
[3:59:43] Speaker 1: What is the land that was given to Jacob?
[3:59:46] Speaker 2: Listen, read the verse again, be king over them.
[3:59:51] Speaker 1: We'll try this again. What is the land that was
[3:59:55] Speaker 1: given to Jacob?
[3:59:56] Speaker 2: What do we call it? Oh? Obviously he's the Promise
[4:00:01] Speaker 2: Palace is okay? Is Israel? Okay?
[4:00:03] Speaker 9: Cool?
[4:00:03] Speaker 1: So he says that the people that the king is
[4:00:07] Speaker 1: leading are going to live in that land, and that
[4:00:10] Speaker 1: land is on the earth.
[4:00:15] Speaker 2: Listen, read Ezekiel thirty seven to twenty five wants more.
[4:00:20] Speaker 2: They shall dwell in the land that I gave to
[4:00:23] Speaker 2: my servant Jacob. It doesn't say he's going to be
[4:00:27] Speaker 2: a king, yes on that land or in that land.
[4:00:29] Speaker 2: It says, my servant David will be their prince forever.
[4:00:33] Speaker 1: It's wild that you think that he's going to be
[4:00:35] Speaker 1: a king and a prince forever and he's not going
[4:00:38] Speaker 1: to actually be there, because if you just read the
[4:00:40] Speaker 1: rest of Ezekiel, the prince shows up again, and the
[4:00:43] Speaker 1: prince is giving offerings and sacrifices with the people of
[4:00:47] Speaker 1: Israel in a renewed temple, in a reapportioned land.
[4:00:54] Speaker 2: Again again, you're taking these out of context. You're not
[4:00:57] Speaker 2: a final because I can take you to Isaiah chapter two,
[4:01:00] Speaker 2: Isaac and show you and show you Isaiah chapter to
[4:01:04] Speaker 2: show you, yes it did, it did not but but
[4:01:08] Speaker 2: from one. But I'm so taken back. For one who
[4:01:11] Speaker 2: doesn't believe the Bible yet, you sure do a lot
[4:01:13] Speaker 2: of use a lot of references from the Bible.
[4:01:15] Speaker 1: That's why I know it's false.
[4:01:18] Speaker 2: No, no, it's not. It's just that you're fighting within yourself.
[4:01:21] Speaker 2: You can tell you myself, but out of rebellion, you
[4:01:24] Speaker 2: absolutely don't. And you're not a good mind reader. It's
[4:01:28] Speaker 2: not about mind reading. It's just it's just we know
[4:01:31] Speaker 2: what the Bible says about those who are rebelling their hearts.
[4:01:33] Speaker 1: I know that the Bible is untrue, which is why
[4:01:35] Speaker 1: I'm not a Christian.
[4:01:37] Speaker 2: And you don't know that. You're want to credit it.
[4:01:40] Speaker 6: You don't know that.
[4:01:41] Speaker 1: I do know that the Bible says things that are
[4:01:43] Speaker 1: demonstrably untrue. It contradicts itself at every turn, and Jesus
[4:01:47] Speaker 1: fulfilled zero prophecies.
[4:01:50] Speaker 2: It doesn't look at Isaiah too too. Versus Isaiah chapter two.
[4:01:53] Speaker 1: You're not gonna like Isaiah chapter two, because then if
[4:01:55] Speaker 1: it came true. Have you read to pass verse two?
[4:01:59] Speaker 2: Yes, I have.
[4:02:00] Speaker 1: What happens in the rest of the chapter two, I'm
[4:02:04] Speaker 1: talking about Isaiah two. Well, there's more than one verse
[4:02:08] Speaker 1: in Isaiah two. What happens in the chapter?
[4:02:11] Speaker 2: Yeah, I get that, I get that, But what happens
[4:02:13] Speaker 2: in the chapter? Okay, judgment happens? And what judgment happens
[4:02:20] Speaker 2: on what do you mean, and what else and where
[4:02:24] Speaker 2: you got to take it. You got to take it
[4:02:26] Speaker 2: for what it is. There's a prophecy.
[4:02:27] Speaker 3: I know what it is.
[4:02:29] Speaker 1: I need you to stop pretending like I haven't read it.
[4:02:32] Speaker 1: So if you ended, if you know the context, tell.
[4:02:36] Speaker 3: Me what it is.
[4:02:39] Speaker 2: I'm telling you the prophecy.
[4:02:41] Speaker 1: The context is the end of days, when God rescues
[4:02:44] Speaker 1: his people Israel and defeats all of their enemies and
[4:02:48] Speaker 1: institutes a kingdom of world peace. That's why it says
[4:02:51] Speaker 1: in verse four, he shall judge between the nations and
[4:02:54] Speaker 1: shall arbitrate for many people. They will beat their swords
[4:02:57] Speaker 1: in the plowshares and their spears in the prune hooks.
[4:03:00] Speaker 1: Nations shall sword against nation. Neither shall they learn war anymore. Oh,
[4:03:05] Speaker 1: House of Jacob, so on and so forth. So none
[4:03:08] Speaker 1: of this happened.
[4:03:10] Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a peaceful kingdom. And that's the reason why
[4:03:12] Speaker 2: when Jesus said, my kingdom is not of this world.
[4:03:15] Speaker 2: If it was, my servants would fight.
[4:03:17] Speaker 1: But none of that.
[4:03:17] Speaker 2: And that's why it's a reference to the peaceful kingdom.
[4:03:20] Speaker 2: But none of it happened. Yes, it is.
[4:03:25] Speaker 1: That's why the nation shall not live, nations shall not
[4:03:30] Speaker 1: lift up sword against nation? What is the nation?
[4:03:33] Speaker 6: And what is the sord?
[4:03:37] Speaker 2: What is a nation? What is the sword?
[4:03:38] Speaker 1: Yea, the words actually have meanings.
[4:03:40] Speaker 2: What is a nation? A nation is a people? And
[4:03:45] Speaker 2: what is the sword? A weapon? Of course talking about
[4:03:49] Speaker 2: is going to be a peaceful king.
[4:03:50] Speaker 1: And the prediction says that the nations will not pick
[4:03:55] Speaker 1: up swords anymore and they won't even learn of war anymore, okay,
[4:04:00] Speaker 1: which means.
[4:04:01] Speaker 2: This is world going to act chapter two, you'll see
[4:04:04] Speaker 2: the nations world peace. Nations will be at peace. No,
[4:04:09] Speaker 2: it's talking about the kingdom. They're talking about the kingdom
[4:04:12] Speaker 2: will be a peaceful kingdom.
[4:04:13] Speaker 1: Doesn't say that, Yes, it does go back in Isaiah
[4:04:18] Speaker 1: chapter two. It says nations shall not lift up sword
[4:04:20] Speaker 1: against nation, neither shall they meaning there's more than one.
[4:04:25] Speaker 1: Neither shall they learn war anymore. The nations will be
[4:04:28] Speaker 1: at peace.
[4:04:30] Speaker 2: What what is the mountain of the House of the Lord.
[4:04:33] Speaker 2: That's Zion? What are mountains? What are mountains?
[4:04:35] Speaker 1: A mountain is a physical mountain and mountain Zion is
[4:04:40] Speaker 1: God's holy mountain with it in Judea.
[4:04:43] Speaker 2: So okay, so what is the mountain in verse two
[4:04:46] Speaker 2: of Isaiah two?
[4:04:47] Speaker 1: So what I need you to do is stop dodging
[4:04:49] Speaker 1: my very easy questions. In verse four, it says that
[4:04:55] Speaker 1: the nations will not do war anymore.
[4:04:59] Speaker 2: They're not going to to do it.
[4:05:01] Speaker 1: You already said that a nation is a people group
[4:05:03] Speaker 1: and a sword is a weapon. So I'm trying to
[4:05:06] Speaker 1: figure out how this actually came true before you pivot
[4:05:09] Speaker 1: to a new verse. Can you tell me how this
[4:05:12] Speaker 1: came true?
[4:05:15] Speaker 2: Yes, I can tell you how it came if you
[4:05:17] Speaker 2: go if you go to Acts chapter two. If you
[4:05:19] Speaker 2: go to Acts chapter two, you're going to see nations
[4:05:22] Speaker 2: come to Pentecost, to Jerusalem. And that's why I was
[4:05:25] Speaker 2: saying in Isaiah chapter so.
[4:05:27] Speaker 1: Those nations never want to charting too right?
[4:05:30] Speaker 2: No, No, see, see you asked me to answer the question,
[4:05:33] Speaker 2: and so I'm trying to answer, but then you're going
[4:05:34] Speaker 2: to interrupt me. Ep See, it doesn't work both way.
[4:05:37] Speaker 2: You're lying.
[4:05:37] Speaker 1: Ep The verse says in Isaiah too, they shall not
[4:05:42] Speaker 1: learn war any more? Did the nations at Pentecost end.
[4:05:49] Speaker 2: Up going to war? Ever? Listen, when you look at.
[4:05:54] Speaker 1: It's a yes or no. Did the nations who came
[4:05:58] Speaker 1: to the Pentecost did they learn about war anymore?
[4:06:03] Speaker 20: No?
[4:06:03] Speaker 2: So the nations of reference to people. I'll try this again.
[4:06:06] Speaker 1: The nations in Isaiah when it says the nations shall
[4:06:11] Speaker 1: not learn war anymore? Is that true of all the
[4:06:15] Speaker 1: nations that showed up at Pentecost? Listen again, it's a
[4:06:21] Speaker 1: yes or no. In Isaiah it says the physical nations
[4:06:27] Speaker 1: living on the earth with physical swords won't go to
[4:06:31] Speaker 1: war anymore. I'm asking you if that came true at
[4:06:36] Speaker 1: the Pentecost, that's what I.
[4:06:37] Speaker 6: Need to know.
[4:06:39] Speaker 2: Yes, it came true at Pentecosts when you rightly understand
[4:06:42] Speaker 2: what Isaiah is talking about, Yes it came true. However, okay,
[4:06:46] Speaker 2: what's Isaiah talking about? You won't You won't accept it
[4:06:49] Speaker 2: because the nations is a reference to people, and the
[4:06:52] Speaker 2: people there is is going to come. They're going to
[4:06:55] Speaker 2: all come together and be a peaceful people. The nations
[4:07:00] Speaker 2: reference to the church. It's a reference to the church.
[4:07:02] Speaker 1: The nations of the earth, the people. No, it doesn't
[4:07:07] Speaker 1: say the people. There's a word for people.
[4:07:10] Speaker 2: Nations is a reference to we all know this. Come on,
[4:07:12] Speaker 2: you can you can play.
[4:07:15] Speaker 1: You're the one up here lying seeing that words don't
[4:07:17] Speaker 1: mean words.
[4:07:18] Speaker 2: Wait all right, look man, if you're not going to
[4:07:20] Speaker 2: sit down. I'm not gonna waste my time with you.
[4:07:21] Speaker 3: Man.
[4:07:21] Speaker 2: Hebrew the word for people is Hebrew, the word what
[4:07:27] Speaker 2: do you?
[4:07:28] Speaker 5: What do you?
[4:07:28] Speaker 2: The Hebrew word for people again is okay? And what's
[4:07:36] Speaker 2: the what's the Hebrew word for a nation.
[4:07:38] Speaker 1: Or for nations?
[4:07:40] Speaker 2: Again? Are they different words? It's go by the way. Yes,
[4:07:44] Speaker 2: they're different words. Okay, great, great, thank you? Okay.
[4:07:47] Speaker 1: And it says in verse four, both of those words
[4:07:50] Speaker 1: he will judge between once again, you're trying to says
[4:07:53] Speaker 1: he will judge between the nations. The nations these are
[4:07:59] Speaker 1: physic people, and he will arbitrate for many people. So
[4:08:06] Speaker 1: these are actual people, actual nations living on the earth.
[4:08:10] Speaker 1: And he says, of those nations living on the earth,
[4:08:14] Speaker 1: they won't learn of war anymore. And you're trying to
[4:08:17] Speaker 1: make a really sad equivocation. Of course he dropped, Yeah,
[4:08:22] Speaker 1: trying to make a very sad equivocation, saying no, because
[4:08:25] Speaker 1: Pentecost happened, somehow this came true. It didn't come true.
[4:08:29] Speaker 1: There's more words don't mean words. And I would have
[4:08:31] Speaker 1: ran if I was you two. Imagine coming in and
[4:08:36] Speaker 1: having that amount of confidence only to get absolutely cooked crazy.
[4:08:42] Speaker 2: Oh well, is what it is.
[4:08:44] Speaker 1: Guys, don't come in with that level of confidence. If
[4:08:47] Speaker 1: you don't have any idea of what you're talking about.
[4:08:49] Speaker 1: If all you can do is say words don't mean words.
[4:08:53] Speaker 1: If words don't mean words is your best argument, you're
[4:08:56] Speaker 1: not going to do well here. All right, let's get
[4:08:59] Speaker 1: a a next super chat. Ligma, good to see you tonight.
[4:09:02] Speaker 1: Thank you for the six sixty six says Verily, words
[4:09:05] Speaker 1: do not bear the weight of words, for low their
[4:09:08] Speaker 1: essence doth slip like sand through fingers. I know, guys,
[4:09:12] Speaker 1: words don't mean words. Remember that if you're a Christian,
[4:09:15] Speaker 1: words are not allowed to have any meanings. Words mean
[4:09:19] Speaker 1: what you need them to mean, not what they actually mean.
[4:09:23] Speaker 1: And big W J Mule, thank you for the twenty
[4:09:26] Speaker 1: dour super chat. I appreciate that it says you know
[4:09:29] Speaker 1: that Swedish chef from the Muppets. I knew, Yeah, So
[4:09:34] Speaker 1: what patience juice is in your glass this evening? I'd
[4:09:38] Speaker 1: love to see you make theis double down by asking
[4:09:40] Speaker 1: them how much of their belief is hanging on X
[4:09:43] Speaker 1: argument dug instruction, big W, I appreciate that I love
[4:09:47] Speaker 1: the Muppets, by the way, I really gotta maybe I
[4:09:50] Speaker 1: should find a way to mix the muppets into some
[4:09:53] Speaker 1: of these talking points. I love, They're fantastic. My favorite
[4:09:56] Speaker 1: was always the drummer, the crazy drummer guy what was
[4:09:58] Speaker 1: his name? And Beaker I love, but yeah, listen, you
[4:10:03] Speaker 1: know we're going to be cooking the Christians when they
[4:10:06] Speaker 1: get up here and say words don't mean words. Christian Johnson,
[4:10:09] Speaker 1: thank you for the five dollars supertest says crazy how
[4:10:11] Speaker 1: hard it is for them to prove something they believe
[4:10:13] Speaker 1: their entire life crushed worldview in half hour exactly.
[4:10:17] Speaker 2: Yeah, and I was there. I get it.
[4:10:19] Speaker 1: I understand how difficult it is to believe something wholeheartedly
[4:10:23] Speaker 1: and then to hear all the evidence that it is
[4:10:25] Speaker 1: simply isn't true. And Exus brothers. Good to see it tonight,
[4:10:29] Speaker 1: my friend. Thank you for the ten hour superchest says
[4:10:31] Speaker 1: Jesus called himself prince of peace, but also said didn't
[4:10:34] Speaker 1: come to bring peace but a sword. No wonder the
[4:10:37] Speaker 1: Romans were so confused. I know he said I didn't
[4:10:40] Speaker 1: come to bring peace but a sword. And the term
[4:10:42] Speaker 1: mother against daughter and father against son is crazy to me.
[4:10:47] Speaker 1: And Cora, thank you so much for the ten dollars
[4:10:50] Speaker 1: over cash app big W Clorra, I appreciate the support.
[4:10:54] Speaker 1: And last one, d L, thank you for the super chat.
[4:10:56] Speaker 1: Good to see it tonight. Frand he says, Jesus said
[4:10:58] Speaker 1: he came to bring a sword, not peace Matthew ten
[4:11:01] Speaker 1: thirty four, and to cast fire upon the earth. Yeah, Luke,
[4:11:04] Speaker 1: chapter twelve, big W, You're right, he wasn't the one
[4:11:07] Speaker 1: of peace. He was not the one of peace. All right,
[4:11:10] Speaker 1: let's get our next guest in here. Guys, we've got
[4:11:14] Speaker 1: looks like somebody without a name on the YouTube que
[4:11:17] Speaker 1: waiting to come in and then covey well, I added
[4:11:22] Speaker 1: him to the conversation, but he didn't appear on screen,
[4:11:27] Speaker 1: and I can't hear you right now, nameless YouTuber. Give
[4:11:32] Speaker 1: me one second to remove you and add you back up.
[4:11:37] Speaker 1: Maybe the connection's not good. I don't know why it's
[4:11:40] Speaker 1: not adding you. You might have to drop down and
[4:11:43] Speaker 1: come back. Let me refresh my queue real quick, see
[4:11:45] Speaker 1: if it's on my end. We'll see if that fixes it.
[4:11:54] Speaker 1: And it's still not adding you to the conversation. I
[4:11:58] Speaker 1: don't know, actually what's happening. Hold on a second. I
[4:12:05] Speaker 1: don't know what's going on with your connection. You might
[4:12:08] Speaker 1: have to drop down and come back up. I don't
[4:12:11] Speaker 1: know why it's acting this way, but just drop down,
[4:12:15] Speaker 1: come back up. I'll put you in, okay. Ven Ninja's
[4:12:20] Speaker 1: been really reliable actually since I've been using it. But
[4:12:22] Speaker 1: every once in a while it does that where I
[4:12:24] Speaker 1: try to add somebody to the scene on the screen
[4:12:28] Speaker 1: and it.
[4:12:28] Speaker 2: Just like pretends like they're not even there. I'm like,
[4:12:30] Speaker 2: but I can see them. How come you can't see them?
[4:12:33] Speaker 1: So weird? Doesn't make any sense, But then again, the
[4:12:36] Speaker 1: software is free.
[4:12:38] Speaker 2: You know what are you gonna do?
[4:12:39] Speaker 1: You can complain about free software. Don't bite the hand
[4:12:42] Speaker 1: that feeds you. Never look a gift horse in the mouth,
[4:12:44] Speaker 1: as they say, that's a good saying, by the way,
[4:12:47] Speaker 1: never look a gift horse in the mouth.
[4:12:48] Speaker 2: I love it.
[4:12:51] Speaker 1: If you know what the saying is about. It's actually
[4:12:53] Speaker 1: it's pretty it's pretty well thought out. My dad was
[4:12:59] Speaker 1: old school from the South, and he had tons of
[4:13:02] Speaker 1: sayings like that.
[4:13:03] Speaker 2: It was fun.
[4:13:05] Speaker 1: Travis says. I thought Justin was a biblical scholar, but
[4:13:07] Speaker 1: clearly he's a chef. Thank you so much, Travis. I
[4:13:11] Speaker 1: appreciate that. And we're gonna try to get the guest
[4:13:16] Speaker 1: in here. If he comes back, we'll see if he's
[4:13:18] Speaker 1: able to connect. Andy, thank you so much for the
[4:13:22] Speaker 1: super chair, and he says, thank you your for your
[4:13:25] Speaker 1: good work. Well, thank you so much for supporting Andy.
[4:13:27] Speaker 1: I really appreciate that. And thank you mucho for the
[4:13:31] Speaker 1: nine ninety nine superchat. That's very generous and me no,
[4:13:35] Speaker 1: good to see it tonight, Thank you for the superchat,
[4:13:37] Speaker 1: says if the end of war was spiritual, then why
[4:13:40] Speaker 1: are Christians still constantly finding That's actually a good point
[4:13:44] Speaker 1: that I didn't bring up, because the nations that were
[4:13:45] Speaker 1: at Pentecost literally went the fucking war like all the time.
[4:13:49] Speaker 1: There's still at war right now, so it's crazy that
[4:13:52] Speaker 1: he would use that particular topic.
[4:13:56] Speaker 2: And cranky.
[4:13:56] Speaker 1: Good to see it tonight, friend, Thank you for the
[4:13:58] Speaker 1: nine ninety nine He says, good, good evening to you.
[4:14:01] Speaker 1: Justin Hail Doug. I love the way you keep control
[4:14:03] Speaker 1: of the conversation. Too bad, Darth has zero self control. Darth,
[4:14:09] Speaker 1: Darth got nothing. He's an infant, says Also, animal was
[4:14:13] Speaker 1: the drum Oh, animal was the drummer. Cheers dude, and
[4:14:16] Speaker 1: keep cooking, chef, thank you so much for that. I
[4:14:18] Speaker 1: knew it was like something wild. Yeah, the drummer was animal,
[4:14:21] Speaker 1: which is a good personification of the drummer personality. But Crankie,
[4:14:25] Speaker 1: thank you so much for the support. I appreciate the
[4:14:27] Speaker 1: super chat and for reminding me the name I. We're
[4:14:30] Speaker 1: gonna try to get truth Seeker in here. I think
[4:14:32] Speaker 1: truth Seeker is connected this time.
[4:14:33] Speaker 2: How you doing.
[4:14:35] Speaker 3: Yo?
[4:14:36] Speaker 20: How you doing?
[4:14:36] Speaker 5: Man?
[4:14:36] Speaker 9: Good?
[4:14:37] Speaker 6: How you doing?
[4:14:37] Speaker 20: Truth?
[4:14:39] Speaker 5: Nothing much?
[4:14:40] Speaker 6: So truth?
[4:14:41] Speaker 1: Are you at least eighteen?
[4:14:42] Speaker 2: And are you a believer?
[4:14:45] Speaker 7: All right?
[4:14:45] Speaker 4: Man?
[4:14:45] Speaker 19: Look, I'm a believer, but I'll be eighteen in like
[4:14:49] Speaker 19: a few months. So does it really count like.
[4:14:51] Speaker 1: You should have lied? You really should have lied? Truth secret?
[4:14:54] Speaker 19: Come on, man, like, come on, let's be real cool.
[4:14:56] Speaker 2: Well, listen, you're on YouTube and I know what I'm
[4:14:58] Speaker 2: talking Well, you're you're on YouTube.
[4:14:59] Speaker 19: And now what I'm talking about, I know what I'm
[4:15:00] Speaker 19: talking about.
[4:15:01] Speaker 1: You're on YouTube and not on TikTok, so I can
[4:15:03] Speaker 1: talk to you being seventeen, But if you're on TikTok,
[4:15:05] Speaker 1: I absolutely cannot talk to eighteen year olds. They'll get
[4:15:08] Speaker 1: my live banned. But here's the the old truth seeker.
[4:15:11] Speaker 1: I I know you probably think you know what you're
[4:15:14] Speaker 1: talking about, but you might want to tread, tread lightly
[4:15:18] Speaker 1: with whatever the conversation is. So the question for tonight
[4:15:23] Speaker 1: is why what I want to trust the Bible?
[4:15:28] Speaker 7: All right?
[4:15:28] Speaker 19: So in my opinion, because you know, subjective, but I
[4:15:32] Speaker 19: think you should trust it because historical reliability.
[4:15:37] Speaker 6: Like what there's like.
[4:15:40] Speaker 4: The crucifixion, so.
[4:15:43] Speaker 24: The person of Jesus, so the followers of Jesus, so
[4:15:49] Speaker 24: the prophecies, Domesianic prophecies.
[4:15:55] Speaker 1: But Jesus is in favillainy.
[4:15:58] Speaker 2: He not even one.
[4:16:01] Speaker 4: I I can show you one right now.
[4:16:02] Speaker 1: I'd love to have it.
[4:16:04] Speaker 2: All right, let's go.
[4:16:08] Speaker 19: Hey, I never really I'll be honest, I never really
[4:16:11] Speaker 19: debated before. It's okay, don't worry, all right, Isaiah fifty three?
[4:16:17] Speaker 1: Sure have you read all of Isaiah?
[4:16:20] Speaker 19: Yeah, I've read the whole thing.
[4:16:21] Speaker 1: Sure, what's the context of Isaiah? What time period is
[4:16:24] Speaker 1: he writing in?
[4:16:27] Speaker 7: What time period?
[4:16:28] Speaker 19: Yeah, thousands of years before Jesus.
[4:16:32] Speaker 1: A couple hundred he's writing approximately.
[4:16:36] Speaker 19: I'll be honest, I don't really study the dates like that.
[4:16:38] Speaker 4: I'll be honest.
[4:16:39] Speaker 19: I became a Christian like like two years ago.
[4:16:41] Speaker 1: The context is important. So Isaiah is writing in the
[4:16:46] Speaker 1: chapters you're referring to he's writing about the release of
[4:16:49] Speaker 1: the captives from the Babylonian captivity, because they were taking
[4:16:52] Speaker 1: captive starting in six oh five by the Babylonians. That
[4:16:56] Speaker 1: was their first incursion into Israel, and they're now being freed.
[4:17:01] Speaker 1: They were freed in five thirty nine by King Cyrus,
[4:17:04] Speaker 1: and the section of texts we're talking about, chapter forty
[4:17:07] Speaker 1: to chapter fifty five is all about them being released
[4:17:11] Speaker 1: from that captivity. And I think that the servant that
[4:17:17] Speaker 1: is referred to in the section of texts that you're
[4:17:19] Speaker 1: interested in is actually the nation of Israel. Would you
[4:17:22] Speaker 1: like to hear why that is the case? The prophet
[4:17:28] Speaker 1: tells you. So for example, if you go to Isaiah
[4:17:31] Speaker 1: forty one eight through nine, he tells you on about
[4:17:34] Speaker 1: eight or nine different occasions, says, but you Israel, my servant, Jacob,
[4:17:39] Speaker 1: whom I've chosen, the offspring of Abraham, my friend, so
[4:17:42] Speaker 1: on and so forth. Says I called you from the
[4:17:44] Speaker 1: furthest corners, saying to you that you are my servant.
[4:17:47] Speaker 1: So in Isaiah forty one, the servant is Israel. In
[4:17:51] Speaker 1: Isaiah forty three ten he says, you are my witnesses,
[4:17:55] Speaker 1: says the Lord, and my servant whom I have chosen.
[4:17:59] Speaker 1: So again the name of Israel as a servant. And
[4:18:01] Speaker 1: then Isaiah forty four to one through two. Here now,
[4:18:04] Speaker 1: oh Jacob, my servant, and Israel, whom I've chosen. And
[4:18:10] Speaker 1: then he does the same in Isaiah forty four twenty one,
[4:18:13] Speaker 1: remember these things, Oh Jacob and Israel, you are my servant.
[4:18:16] Speaker 1: And then two more Isaiah forty five four says, for
[4:18:19] Speaker 1: the sake of my servant, Jacob, and Israel, m my chosen,
[4:18:22] Speaker 1: I call you by your name. And then my favorite
[4:18:25] Speaker 1: is Isaiah forty eight twenty where he says, go out
[4:18:28] Speaker 1: from Babylon, flee from Chaudea, declare this with a shout
[4:18:33] Speaker 1: of joy, proclaim it, send it forth to the ends
[4:18:35] Speaker 1: of the earth, and say the Lord has redeemed his
[4:18:38] Speaker 1: servant Jacob. So when the prophet tells me over and
[4:18:42] Speaker 1: over again that the servant is Israel, I take him
[4:18:46] Speaker 1: at his word.
[4:18:50] Speaker 19: Yeah, but then how would you reconcile fifty three verse five,
[4:18:55] Speaker 19: How do you what about it? Reconcile that it says
[4:18:58] Speaker 19: he was pierced for our TRANSGRESSI so how could the
[4:19:01] Speaker 19: nation of Israel be pierced for our transgressions?
[4:19:03] Speaker 1: Well it doesn't say appears. That is the first part,
[4:19:06] Speaker 1: so that.
[4:19:07] Speaker 19: He says he was pierced for our he was crushed
[4:19:11] Speaker 19: for our iniquities. The punishment that brought us peace was
[4:19:14] Speaker 19: on him. Yeah, his wounds we were healed. How could
[4:19:17] Speaker 19: this one question? How could we How could a nation
[4:19:22] Speaker 19: referred to as he that that doesn't really make sense?
[4:19:25] Speaker 1: Well, we actually just covered that a second ago. Isaiah says,
[4:19:29] Speaker 1: you're my witnesses, Jacob and Israel and my servant. So
[4:19:34] Speaker 1: like the fact that there's a singular he is meaningless here.
[4:19:37] Speaker 1: It's a metaphor. The nation of Israel is being personified
[4:19:41] Speaker 1: as a human being.
[4:19:44] Speaker 4: That sounds like Jesus.
[4:19:45] Speaker 2: Man, I'll be honest, I know it sounds like Jesus,
[4:19:49] Speaker 2: but it's not.
[4:19:51] Speaker 1: How because it's the nation of Israel. The prophet told
[4:19:54] Speaker 1: you that the servant is Israel, and he tells you
[4:19:58] Speaker 1: over and over again leading up to the passage. Why
[4:20:00] Speaker 1: that's the case, God says, what I redeem my servant
[4:20:04] Speaker 1: Israel from captivity. All the nations are going to know
[4:20:08] Speaker 1: that I am the true God. I am the one
[4:20:11] Speaker 1: true God when I restore Israel. That's why he says
[4:20:14] Speaker 1: in chapter.
[4:20:18] Speaker 2: Let me grab it. Chapter forty actually fifty four, I think.
[4:20:23] Speaker 6: Is what I'm looking for.
[4:20:24] Speaker 2: Fifty four, fifty six one second, fifty six actually fifty five.
[4:20:29] Speaker 2: I was in between.
[4:20:31] Speaker 1: He says, the nations that you do not know shall
[4:20:35] Speaker 1: run to you because the Lord, the God, I'm sorry,
[4:20:39] Speaker 1: the Lord, your God, the Holy One of Israel, has
[4:20:41] Speaker 1: glorified you, which is in line with what the prophets
[4:20:44] Speaker 1: say as well in Sacharai eight and Micah. Chapter four
[4:20:48] Speaker 1: talks about how when God glorifies Israel, all the nations
[4:20:52] Speaker 1: are going to run to Israel because it's a parent
[4:20:56] Speaker 1: that their God is the actual rightful God.
[4:21:03] Speaker 19: I mean, I think Israel also can be referred to
[4:21:05] Speaker 19: as God, because at least that's what he's referred to
[4:21:10] Speaker 19: in the Old Testament.
[4:21:11] Speaker 1: I don't know if a single occasion where that happens.
[4:21:16] Speaker 19: I can't really, I'll be honest, I can't really record
[4:21:18] Speaker 19: a verses. I'm not lying because I'm doing a reread
[4:21:22] Speaker 19: of like the first like the I'm in Joshua right now,
[4:21:25] Speaker 19: but I just did a reread from Genesis to Deuteronomy,
[4:21:29] Speaker 19: and I remember God being called Israel.
[4:21:32] Speaker 1: No, Jacob was called israel.
[4:21:38] Speaker 11: Ah.
[4:21:41] Speaker 19: But Hey, but if that Isaiah fifty three, you keep reading,
[4:21:49] Speaker 19: it's yeah, it was the Lord, like in verse ten.
[4:21:53] Speaker 19: I mean, even if you read the whole chapter, I
[4:21:55] Speaker 19: read it all, it just sounds like it's yeah, it
[4:21:58] Speaker 19: sounds just it sounds just like.
[4:22:00] Speaker 1: It like a human being suffering.
[4:22:03] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[4:22:04] Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the whole point. The whole point is to
[4:22:06] Speaker 1: personify the nation of Israel as a human being.
[4:22:08] Speaker 19: Even in the first like the verse three, it says
[4:22:13] Speaker 19: he was despised and rejected by mankind. Yeah, the nation
[4:22:16] Speaker 19: of Yeah, a man suffering.
[4:22:20] Speaker 2: I'm aware of you with pain.
[4:22:22] Speaker 19: Yeah, nation being likened to a man. Yeah, that don't
[4:22:25] Speaker 19: really make sense.
[4:22:26] Speaker 2: We just read it. Were you not listening? Failiar with pain?
[4:22:30] Speaker 1: In Isaiah forty three ten, he says you are my witnesses,
[4:22:35] Speaker 1: which is plural, right, Yeah, okay, it says you're my witnesses,
[4:22:40] Speaker 1: says the Lord and my servant, whom I have chosen.
[4:22:43] Speaker 1: So he's saying a group of people in the plural
[4:22:46] Speaker 1: is his servant in the singular. M hm, what versus
[4:22:55] Speaker 1: that Isaiah forty three ten. I would also point out
[4:23:05] Speaker 1: why you're reading that real quick is when you interpret
[4:23:09] Speaker 1: Isaiah fifty three properly, like it's the nation of Israel.
[4:23:13] Speaker 1: It matches every other prophetic book. Every other prophetic book
[4:23:16] Speaker 1: talks about this. When you interpret it as a human
[4:23:20] Speaker 1: being who's suffering and dying for someone's sins, it contradicts
[4:23:24] Speaker 1: all the other Messianic prophecies. Every Messianic prophecy says the
[4:23:28] Speaker 1: exact opposite of this. Hey, but listen, the New Testament
[4:23:39] Speaker 1: cites a lot of prophecies about Jesus. Maybe there's another one.
[4:23:48] Speaker 19: Hey, I'll be honest, I gotta keep studying. But I
[4:23:51] Speaker 19: just came on just to like, it never really made
[4:23:54] Speaker 19: sense to me. How like a lot of Jews they
[4:23:55] Speaker 19: call it the Forbidden Chapter.
[4:23:57] Speaker 1: I've never heard of Jews say that.
[4:23:59] Speaker 19: Then, yeah, I've seen videos where it's called the forbidden Chapter,
[4:24:04] Speaker 19: like in this synagogue.
[4:24:05] Speaker 1: Not by Jews, only by Christians who say that nonsense.
[4:24:08] Speaker 1: I'm personally friends with multiple Jewish rabbis and they don't
[4:24:12] Speaker 1: call it that.
[4:24:17] Speaker 2: All right, all right, one more verse, Sure, go for it, But.
[4:24:24] Speaker 3: What was it?
[4:24:26] Speaker 2: I mean?
[4:24:27] Speaker 1: I commend you on your on your your disposition. You've
[4:24:30] Speaker 1: got a great personality, and you're very mature for your age.
[4:24:33] Speaker 1: I've had a bunch of adults in here come in
[4:24:35] Speaker 1: and act like jackasses. You've acted better than all of them.
[4:24:40] Speaker 7: Hey, thanks man.
[4:24:42] Speaker 19: Well, yeah, Isaiah's seven. I think it's verse fourteen. Yeah,
[4:24:48] Speaker 19: therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign. The
[4:24:51] Speaker 19: virgin will conceive and give birth to a son right
[4:24:54] Speaker 19: and will be called him a manual. And then I
[4:24:58] Speaker 19: remember in another verse, didn't it say he was going
[4:25:01] Speaker 19: to be called mighty God.
[4:25:03] Speaker 1: That's Isaiah. That's Isaiah chapter nine. But we can get
[4:25:06] Speaker 1: there next if you want to. So Isaiah chapter seven,
[4:25:10] Speaker 1: we need to talk about the context again. So in
[4:25:12] Speaker 1: Isaiah chapter seven, there's some stuff happening. The prophet Isaiah
[4:25:17] Speaker 1: is being sent to a particular person to give a
[4:25:19] Speaker 1: message to a particular person. Who is that person?
[4:25:27] Speaker 7: Is it? Is it?
[4:25:31] Speaker 3: A Has?
[4:25:32] Speaker 1: You got it? And a Has is the King of Judah, right, right,
[4:25:35] Speaker 1: So the two kingdoms in the north, the Northern Israelites
[4:25:40] Speaker 1: and the Aramians made an alliance and the King of
[4:25:44] Speaker 1: Judah was not friendly to that alliance. So they go
[4:25:47] Speaker 1: to war trying to replace the King of Judah. But
[4:25:50] Speaker 1: they're they're not successful. Right, So the prophet the first
[4:25:54] Speaker 1: time when he goes to them, ends his prophecy. In
[4:25:58] Speaker 1: verse nine, he says, if you do not stand firm
[4:26:01] Speaker 1: in your faith, you shall not stand at all at all.
[4:26:04] Speaker 1: So the first prophecy ends with you need to have
[4:26:07] Speaker 1: faith that God is with you during your time of trial.
[4:26:10] Speaker 2: Basically.
[4:26:11] Speaker 1: Then the second prophecy, the one that you're interested in,
[4:26:14] Speaker 1: starts in verse ten, and he says, again the Lord
[4:26:18] Speaker 1: spoke to a has, saying, so from the onset, this
[4:26:21] Speaker 1: is a prophecy being spoken to a has right. Right,
[4:26:26] Speaker 1: So he says to a has, ask a sign of
[4:26:29] Speaker 1: the Lord, your God, and let it be as deep
[4:26:30] Speaker 1: as shoal or as high as heaven. But a has said,
[4:26:33] Speaker 1: I will not ask, and I will not put the
[4:26:36] Speaker 1: Lord to the test. Then Isaiah said, here then, a
[4:26:39] Speaker 1: house of David. Is it too little for you to
[4:26:41] Speaker 1: weary mortals that you weary my God. Also therefore the
[4:26:45] Speaker 1: Lord himself will give you a sign. Look, the young
[4:26:48] Speaker 1: woman is with child and shall bear a son, and
[4:26:51] Speaker 1: shall name him Emmanuel. He shall eat kurds and honey
[4:26:54] Speaker 1: by the time he knows how to refuse evil and
[4:26:57] Speaker 1: choose the good. Four before the child knows how to
[4:27:01] Speaker 1: refuse the evil and choose the good. The land before
[4:27:05] Speaker 1: whose two kings you are in dread will be deserted.
[4:27:09] Speaker 1: So the prophecy is about a child who's already been conceived.
[4:27:12] Speaker 1: He's about to be born, and before he is old
[4:27:15] Speaker 1: enough to know right from wrong. The two kings that
[4:27:17] Speaker 1: are attacking King a has are going to be wiped out.
[4:27:21] Speaker 1: So it's not about a Messiah. There's no Messiah mentioned here.
[4:27:28] Speaker 12: All right, I said last verse.
[4:27:30] Speaker 4: But this is actually the last one.
[4:27:30] Speaker 19: I said, all right, go for it, go Brett, and
[4:27:33] Speaker 19: I promise I'll should get out of here.
[4:27:35] Speaker 2: No, listen, you're delightful. You're stay long as you want.
[4:27:40] Speaker 1: Proverbs thirty verse four, yes, three through four Yeah, the
[4:27:48] Speaker 1: proverb of aguar.
[4:27:51] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[4:27:54] Speaker 19: So it says I have not learned wisdom, nor have
[4:27:57] Speaker 19: I attained to the knowledge of the Holy One, who
[4:28:01] Speaker 19: has gone up to heaven and come down, whose hands
[4:28:03] Speaker 19: have gathered up the wind, who has wrapped up the
[4:28:06] Speaker 19: waters in a cloak, who has established all.
[4:28:08] Speaker 6: The ends of the earth.
[4:28:10] Speaker 19: What is his name and what is the name of
[4:28:12] Speaker 19: his son?
[4:28:13] Speaker 4: Surely you know? So, at least for me, when I
[4:28:18] Speaker 4: read this, it sounds like you know.
[4:28:21] Speaker 19: Before it says who is his son, it's saying who
[4:28:24] Speaker 19: has gone up to heaven and come down? Whose hands
[4:28:27] Speaker 19: have gathered up the winds? Who has established all the
[4:28:31] Speaker 19: ends of the earth. There's no prophet who can establish
[4:28:33] Speaker 19: all the ends of the earth.
[4:28:34] Speaker 1: It's not about a prophet, So.
[4:28:37] Speaker 19: Who is it?
[4:28:39] Speaker 1: It's nobody. Now, let's listen to what's actually happening here.
[4:28:42] Speaker 3: Right.
[4:28:43] Speaker 1: So Aguar is lamenting that he lacks understanding because he's human. Right,
[4:28:51] Speaker 1: he says, surely in verse two, surely I am too
[4:28:54] Speaker 1: stupid to be human. I do not have human understanding.
[4:28:59] Speaker 1: I have not learned wisdom, nor have I knowledge of
[4:29:02] Speaker 1: the Holy Ones. So he's saying, I don't have understanding,
[4:29:06] Speaker 1: and I certainly don't have understanding of like the heavenly realm.
[4:29:10] Speaker 1: Like the Holy Ones is a euphemism for typically the
[4:29:14] Speaker 1: angels or the members of the Divine Council. And so
[4:29:18] Speaker 1: he's saying, I don't have human understanding. I don't have
[4:29:21] Speaker 1: any wisdom. I have no knowledge of the Holy Ones.
[4:29:24] Speaker 1: Then he says, who has ascended to heaven and come down?
[4:29:27] Speaker 1: He's talking about man. He's now describing why he has
[4:29:32] Speaker 1: no knowledge of the heavenly realm. He's saying, who has
[4:29:36] Speaker 1: ascended to heaven and come down, who has gathered the
[4:29:39] Speaker 1: wind in the hollow of his hand, who has wrapped
[4:29:42] Speaker 1: up the waters in a garment, who has established all
[4:29:45] Speaker 1: the ends of the earth. He's now comparing humans to God.
[4:29:49] Speaker 1: He's saying humans have not done this. That's why he says,
[4:29:54] Speaker 1: what is that person's name, and what is the name
[4:29:57] Speaker 1: of that person's child. Actually, you're translate says son. Mine
[4:30:01] Speaker 1: says child, But it does say son. It says benet
[4:30:04] Speaker 1: in the original Hebrew, except for some of the textual variants.
[4:30:09] Speaker 1: We've got a couple of textual variants in Greek and
[4:30:11] Speaker 1: Aramaic that say children instead of child or son. But
[4:30:17] Speaker 1: the the translators that translated it into Aramaic and Greek
[4:30:22] Speaker 1: understood this is not about a single son of God.
[4:30:24] Speaker 1: This is about human descendants. He's saying, no human's ever
[4:30:28] Speaker 1: done this, and if if a human's ever done it,
[4:30:31] Speaker 1: show me who it is. I want to know, right,
[4:30:36] Speaker 1: I don't read this as talking about a son of God.
[4:30:41] Speaker 19: That's interesting, but yeah, that's pretty much if me. I
[4:30:48] Speaker 19: just wanted to see how you interpret those verses.
[4:30:50] Speaker 1: But sure, that's really well man, Triscerka, thanks for coming
[4:30:55] Speaker 1: through and having such a kind disposition even though obviously
[4:30:58] Speaker 1: we disagree. I think you're a good example of what
[4:31:02] Speaker 1: other callers, what kind of what kind of conversation can't
[4:31:06] Speaker 1: be had if you don't come in all hostile. All right, cheers,
[4:31:13] Speaker 1: see a big W for truth Seeker evidence that you
[4:31:19] Speaker 1: can disagree with somebody without being disagreeable. In fact, my
[4:31:24] Speaker 1: that was one of my favorite sayings. My old pastor
[4:31:26] Speaker 1: used to say that. My pastor would say, you can
[4:31:29] Speaker 1: disagree without being disagreeable. But I would add to that
[4:31:33] Speaker 1: that if somebody disagrees with you while being disagreeable, I
[4:31:37] Speaker 1: will disagree squared, I'll be disagreeable and I'll disagree with you.
[4:31:43] Speaker 1: Good question, Eli, says Messiah through David's bloodline Ephrium or Manassa,
[4:31:49] Speaker 1: the true Messiah confirmed. I may not fully understand your questioning, Eli,
[4:31:54] Speaker 1: but we talked about the bloodline of Jesus a while
[4:31:58] Speaker 1: ago on the live and he doesn't appear to be
[4:32:02] Speaker 1: a descendant from David.
[4:32:04] Speaker 2: You know what I mean. He just wasn't And I
[4:32:08] Speaker 2: am big big W.
[4:32:10] Speaker 1: Thank you so much for the twenty dollars super chat.
[4:32:11] Speaker 1: It's very generous. And you start your comment with Simon
[4:32:16] Speaker 1: bar Yakai or bar Kofa, as some would say, says,
[4:32:22] Speaker 1: Shiman bar Jokai does way more impressive miracles than Jesus.
[4:32:27] Speaker 2: I agree.
[4:32:28] Speaker 1: Shooting energy blast at people, breaking Sabbath, exercising demons from
[4:32:32] Speaker 1: Roman emperor's daughter, serving and being buried alive in a
[4:32:38] Speaker 1: tomb underground for ten years, surviving. And there's another thing.
[4:32:43] Speaker 1: If you read the Talmudic writings, it's also said that
[4:32:47] Speaker 1: he was able to pull entire trees up completely uproot
[4:32:51] Speaker 1: them out of the ground. And then it says that
[4:32:54] Speaker 1: he transferred this ability to some of his followers, So
[4:32:58] Speaker 1: even some of his followers were able to have this
[4:33:01] Speaker 1: like godlike power.
[4:33:02] Speaker 2: Of ripping.
[4:33:05] Speaker 1: Ripping trees out of the ground. And he was actually
[4:33:09] Speaker 1: a ruler in Israel. We actually have coins from the
[4:33:12] Speaker 1: Bar Kokva rebellion with his name on it. We know
[4:33:17] Speaker 1: that he was a mashiak and Rabbi Akiva actually said,
[4:33:22] Speaker 1: before you know, things went down, that he found the Messiah.
[4:33:25] Speaker 1: So some of the Jewish rabbis even believed publicly that
[4:33:29] Speaker 1: he was the Messiah. If anybody fulfilled the you know,
[4:33:33] Speaker 1: the prophecies in the Old Testament, Simon Cokeva got closer
[4:33:37] Speaker 1: than anybody i've ever heard of. Eric, thank you for
[4:33:41] Speaker 1: the super chat says, when a theist starts with, in
[4:33:44] Speaker 1: my opinion, to discuss truth, you know it's going it's
[4:33:49] Speaker 1: not going to end well. Put your feet on the
[4:33:51] Speaker 1: rock name Doug. Yes, absolutely, guys. Put put your faith
[4:33:54] Speaker 1: in the rock of salvation. Doug and Sharon Stone, Douglas,
[4:33:58] Speaker 1: Doug has never let you down. Doug is not slippery.
[4:34:01] Speaker 1: There's no moss that grows on Doug and Shearon Stone.
[4:34:05] Speaker 1: They'll never slip. You'll never slip from their grip.
[4:34:08] Speaker 2: Guys. It is rock solid. And you know Doug's.
[4:34:14] Speaker 1: Workload is light. He is heavy, so that you are light.
[4:34:20] Speaker 1: Eric Smith great point on Isaiah fifty three. In Jose
[4:34:25] Speaker 1: eleven to one, it refers to Israel as a hymn
[4:34:28] Speaker 1: as well. It does actually refers to him as the
[4:34:31] Speaker 1: firstborn son. Says, Israel is my firstborn son as Exus
[4:34:35] Speaker 1: chapter four, verse twenty two. And Marilyn, welcome back, Marylynd.
[4:34:41] Speaker 1: You're in the chat, It says. Public apology first and
[4:34:45] Speaker 1: foremost to the Jews for using their name in vain.
[4:34:47] Speaker 1: If I offended Jews, I was wrong, and I won't
[4:34:49] Speaker 1: use the word out of respect I want to apologize
[4:34:52] Speaker 1: to the mods for being inappropriate as well as to chat. Well,
[4:34:55] Speaker 1: holy shit, Marylyn, that is a sincere, full throat apology,
[4:35:01] Speaker 1: and obviously we would accept the apology. I believed that
[4:35:05] Speaker 1: you were sincere from the start, So big W Maryland.
[4:35:08] Speaker 1: I know it's difficult to look back at some of
[4:35:10] Speaker 1: the things he said and realize that maybe they meant
[4:35:14] Speaker 1: things you didn't intend them to mean.
[4:35:17] Speaker 2: So big W, Marylyn.
[4:35:19] Speaker 1: We really appreciate that. And so if you're a mod
[4:35:21] Speaker 1: in here, guys, make sure you give it Marylynd access
[4:35:25] Speaker 1: to the to the chat, and you know, to the discord.
[4:35:28] Speaker 1: You know, it takes a lot to come in and apologize.
[4:35:34] Speaker 1: That's very difficult to do. I've had to do it
[4:35:36] Speaker 1: myself on occasion, and I don't like it. I don't
[4:35:39] Speaker 1: like it any more than the next person. So thanks, Marylyn.
[4:35:41] Speaker 1: We appreciate that. And Chris, thank you so much for
[4:35:44] Speaker 1: the toy Doar superchat.
[4:35:45] Speaker 3: Big W.
[4:35:46] Speaker 1: I appreciate the support. Says always love your work, tithes
[4:35:49] Speaker 1: to you, sir ll Well. I will accept your tithes
[4:35:52] Speaker 1: and offerings, and you don't. You don't even have to
[4:35:54] Speaker 1: give me mint dial cumin or any type of sap
[4:35:59] Speaker 1: from tree like frankin Censor Murder. But thank you so
[4:36:01] Speaker 1: much for the tithe Chris. I really appreciate that, big
[4:36:05] Speaker 1: w Chris. All right, let's get our next guest in here.
[4:36:08] Speaker 1: And I think our I accidentally closed the TikTok q.
[4:36:11] Speaker 1: Let me see if it's still open.
[4:36:13] Speaker 2: There we go.
[4:36:15] Speaker 1: I don't see any Christians in the TikTok que, so
[4:36:17] Speaker 1: let's grab our next guest from the YouTube queue. Covey
[4:36:21] Speaker 1: has been waiting for a while, so we'll get Covey
[4:36:24] Speaker 1: in here.
[4:36:24] Speaker 6: How you doing, Covey, Hey man, how's it going? Can
[4:36:28] Speaker 6: you hear me?
[4:36:29] Speaker 2: Yeah? I can hear how you doing? Yeah? Real good?
[4:36:33] Speaker 6: She's having me on chars.
[4:36:34] Speaker 2: Thanks for being here.
[4:36:35] Speaker 1: Recovey, are at least eighteen and are you a believer?
[4:36:37] Speaker 2: Him?
[4:36:38] Speaker 6: I am at least eighteen.
[4:36:40] Speaker 25: Believe it might be more complicated, I would argue, I'm
[4:36:45] Speaker 25: not quite. I would say that I practice some form
[4:36:48] Speaker 25: of Christianity without really believing.
[4:36:50] Speaker 7: In a God.
[4:36:52] Speaker 1: Okay, so uh secular a Christian, Yeah.
[4:36:56] Speaker 6: If that's a thing.
[4:36:57] Speaker 25: I'm not too sure of the terms or whatever, but yeah,
[4:37:00] Speaker 25: I sort of had a pretty close relationship with a
[4:37:03] Speaker 25: monastery where I'm from, and yeah, I really like a
[4:37:06] Speaker 25: lot of the.
[4:37:07] Speaker 6: Stuff that they do. I guess I look at that.
[4:37:09] Speaker 25: I actually oh, yeah, good, yeah, because I was actually
[4:37:13] Speaker 25: curious if you were. I suppose I've only recently discovered you,
[4:37:16] Speaker 25: like probably in the last week or so, I'd have
[4:37:18] Speaker 25: been bingeing.
[4:37:18] Speaker 6: A lot of your stuff.
[4:37:20] Speaker 25: I think I actually found you through Planet Peterson, so
[4:37:23] Speaker 25: oh yeah, but yeah, yeah who I've been watching for.
[4:37:26] Speaker 6: A little bit too, so familiar with a lot of those.
[4:37:30] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[4:37:30] Speaker 25: Man, it's really good to like learn some of that
[4:37:33] Speaker 25: sort of biology stuff too from him.
[4:37:35] Speaker 1: And he knows the Bible pretty well and those like Yeah,
[4:37:40] Speaker 1: I've had discussions with him before where we've been on
[4:37:42] Speaker 1: the same panel, and like people ask Bible questions, he's
[4:37:47] Speaker 1: got the answer.
[4:37:47] Speaker 2: I'm like, shit, what do you need me here for?
[4:37:49] Speaker 2: You already know the Bible?
[4:37:52] Speaker 25: Oh yeah, but I mean somebody who can read it
[4:37:53] Speaker 25: in the Hebrew and Greek too.
[4:37:55] Speaker 6: I mean that's pretty invaluable. I think it helps.
[4:37:59] Speaker 25: I do standoi the frustration that you must feel whenever
[4:38:03] Speaker 25: whenever people come on and say, oh, but if you
[4:38:05] Speaker 25: had just read it, you would understand and agree with me.
[4:38:09] Speaker 6: I do find that very frustrated.
[4:38:11] Speaker 1: I don't know the context. Yeah, I'm sure I don't
[4:38:13] Speaker 1: know the context.
[4:38:14] Speaker 2: That's why I can tell you like what year they
[4:38:16] Speaker 2: were writing, who they were writing to, what was happening
[4:38:18] Speaker 2: at the time.
[4:38:19] Speaker 25: No, no, but if you knew the context, then you'd
[4:38:22] Speaker 25: be a Christian.
[4:38:22] Speaker 6: I mean it's obvious. Is I actually came up with
[4:38:27] Speaker 6: like two questions.
[4:38:28] Speaker 25: So one I think you kind already answered with the
[4:38:30] Speaker 25: I suppose maybe your tone, but I wanted to know
[4:38:32] Speaker 25: if I suppose you were a bit more of an
[4:38:34] Speaker 25: anti theist. I suppose is the term like do you
[4:38:38] Speaker 25: feel that Christianity or you can broaden it to Islam
[4:38:42] Speaker 25: and Judaism to have had like a detrimental effect on
[4:38:46] Speaker 25: society overall? Or yeah, like just does that make sense?
[4:38:52] Speaker 25: I guess, like do you think that it was worth
[4:38:54] Speaker 25: it even if it's not true or if it's damaging?
[4:38:58] Speaker 1: So I don't think think that the belief in these
[4:39:02] Speaker 1: deities are inherently bad. So for example, I know Christians
[4:39:07] Speaker 1: and their belief in Jesus, or I know Jews as well,
[4:39:12] Speaker 1: they're belief in Yahweh. I think is for them. I
[4:39:16] Speaker 1: think it helps them to be a better person sometimes
[4:39:19] Speaker 1: But the problem I have is that religion itself, I
[4:39:23] Speaker 1: think is dangerous. So I think when you get hooked
[4:39:27] Speaker 1: into like dogmas, and those dogmas are inreestricably tied to
[4:39:33] Speaker 1: the like the book, then you got big problems. Because
[4:39:37] Speaker 1: the books of Christianity, the books of Islam, they're actually
[4:39:43] Speaker 1: pretty dangerous books when you actually sit there and read them.
[4:39:46] Speaker 1: And so, for example, like your average cafeteria Christian, like
[4:39:51] Speaker 1: they go to Mass, they take the Eucharist, or they
[4:39:54] Speaker 1: go to Protestant Church and they pray and sing songs,
[4:39:58] Speaker 1: they're not likely to do dangers things. The problem is, though,
[4:40:02] Speaker 1: a lot of people who believe these religions will do
[4:40:06] Speaker 1: dangerous things. And that's my biggest problem. That's why I
[4:40:11] Speaker 1: hardly ever talk about like Hinduism. Hinduism is not typically
[4:40:15] Speaker 1: or Buddhism too, not religions that are like hell bent
[4:40:18] Speaker 1: on converting everybody else to your religion by hook or crook,
[4:40:23] Speaker 1: So they tend to not be violent. But like Christianity,
[4:40:27] Speaker 1: the goal of Christianity is to convert the entire world,
[4:40:30] Speaker 1: the goal of Islam is to convert the entire world. Well,
[4:40:33] Speaker 1: that's like inherently a dangerous concept.
[4:40:39] Speaker 25: Yeah, No, definitely, like I would agree with that. I mean,
[4:40:42] Speaker 25: listening to some of your debates and stuff and people
[4:40:44] Speaker 25: coming up with, you know, saying things like, yeah, I'd
[4:40:47] Speaker 25: drowned my children if God told me to.
[4:40:49] Speaker 6: Yeah, how can I deny that?
[4:40:50] Speaker 25: That sounds incredibly detrimental to society, to families, to all this.
[4:40:56] Speaker 25: So and yeah, I think just from my experience with churches,
[4:40:59] Speaker 25: I didn't meet a lot of people like that, I guess,
[4:41:01] Speaker 25: you know, like I think modern Christianity, at least where
[4:41:04] Speaker 25: I'm from, sort of interprets it a bit more.
[4:41:07] Speaker 6: Metaphorically.
[4:41:08] Speaker 25: And you know, I mean, obviously the value of that
[4:41:10] Speaker 25: is quite limited as a truth claim. If we're just
[4:41:13] Speaker 25: going to say I don't like this bit anymore cultures change,
[4:41:16] Speaker 25: we should probably not keep practicing that. But yeah, I
[4:41:21] Speaker 25: don't know if I don't think i'd argue with anything
[4:41:23] Speaker 25: you said, Like, i'd agree with that probably fully. Like
[4:41:26] Speaker 25: I'm curious, does Judaism sort of have that it doesn't
[4:41:30] Speaker 25: happen sort of evangelism side. I mean, I guess the
[4:41:32] Speaker 25: Old Testament is very Israel and the Jews of God's
[4:41:35] Speaker 25: chosen people, so it wouldn't really make sense to be
[4:41:38] Speaker 25: so angelizing Gentiles.
[4:41:40] Speaker 1: I don't know, Like, yeah, the Jews don't really proselytize
[4:41:43] Speaker 1: because they don't believe that you're going to go to
[4:41:44] Speaker 1: hell for now believing in Jahweh.
[4:41:48] Speaker 2: Right, Okay, so there's no no motivation that.
[4:41:51] Speaker 25: Sort of Christian someone's falling off a cliff, I need
[4:41:53] Speaker 25: to save them, even if they don't want me to
[4:41:55] Speaker 25: sort of idea.
[4:41:56] Speaker 1: Because okay, yeah, in Judaism, like the afterlife is merit based.
[4:42:00] Speaker 1: If you're a good person, you end up in heaven.
[4:42:02] Speaker 1: If you're a bad person, you end up in hell. Obviously,
[4:42:04] Speaker 1: they do believe if you believe in Yahweh and you
[4:42:08] Speaker 1: follow the mids vote, then they believe that does increase
[4:42:11] Speaker 1: like your level of righteousness, and therefore you're likely to
[4:42:14] Speaker 1: be resurrected with the righteous. But just because you don't
[4:42:17] Speaker 1: believe in the God doesn't automatically make you unrighteous.
[4:42:22] Speaker 2: If that makes sense.
[4:42:24] Speaker 25: Yeah, No, that that makes sense. I mean that definitely
[4:42:26] Speaker 25: sounds that. It's quite interesting that I think like Christians,
[4:42:30] Speaker 25: when you get converted to Christianity or experienced church, it's
[4:42:34] Speaker 25: very you start at the New Testament and you work backwards.
[4:42:37] Speaker 25: And I've always found that a really interesting I think
[4:42:40] Speaker 25: that's why so many people like like you probably known stuff,
[4:42:43] Speaker 25: believing that there's prophecies to Jesus in every nook and
[4:42:46] Speaker 25: cranny in the.
[4:42:47] Speaker 6: Bible and everything.
[4:42:47] Speaker 25: There's that Christophany or they talk about like yeah, yeah,
[4:42:50] Speaker 25: exactly like it. It's just purely revisionists like your ad
[4:42:53] Speaker 25: hoc looking back and saying, oh, there was Jesus all along.
[4:42:58] Speaker 6: No, okay, yeah, awesome.
[4:43:00] Speaker 25: The other thing I wanted to ask was actually about
[4:43:03] Speaker 25: a debate I think you were doing a couple of
[4:43:05] Speaker 25: days ago, and I don't want to bring the guy
[4:43:09] Speaker 25: with a dick, I'll admit that, but I couldn't quite
[4:43:11] Speaker 25: understand what you were getting at, so I think by
[4:43:14] Speaker 25: the end of it, I mean, he was rambling for
[4:43:16] Speaker 25: most of it, but by the end of it, I
[4:43:17] Speaker 25: think you were getting into a discussion about time being
[4:43:20] Speaker 25: eternal or time could time exist without physical matter or
[4:43:25] Speaker 25: could time exist if nothing material existed? And I think
[4:43:29] Speaker 25: you were saying that time could exist, but we just
[4:43:34] Speaker 25: wouldn't be able to measure it because there would be
[4:43:36] Speaker 25: nothing to distinguish two moments in time.
[4:43:41] Speaker 1: But I just I think it depends on your notion
[4:43:43] Speaker 1: of time. There are like two different notions of time.
[4:43:45] Speaker 1: And there's two different theories of time too, there's A
[4:43:49] Speaker 1: theory and B theory. I don't know if I'm bored
[4:43:52] Speaker 1: with B theory, but I do believe in a theory.
[4:43:55] Speaker 1: And I talked to a physicist probably a year ago
[4:43:57] Speaker 1: now about this, and I said, you know what, what's
[4:44:03] Speaker 1: the evidence, like the simple explain it to me, like
[4:44:06] Speaker 1: I'm five, what is the evidence that time actually exists?
[4:44:09] Speaker 1: Because I read a number of physicists papers, there's a
[4:44:13] Speaker 1: popular theory that's emerged in cosmology positing that time doesn't
[4:44:21] Speaker 1: actually exist, it's an illusion. And so I asked this
[4:44:24] Speaker 1: physicist what would be the good reason for me to
[4:44:27] Speaker 1: believe that time fundamentally exists. He says, well, if time
[4:44:31] Speaker 1: didn't fundamentally exist, everything would be happening all at once.
[4:44:35] Speaker 1: There would be no separation between any any one moment.
[4:44:39] Speaker 1: And I actually thought that was a pretty good answer.
[4:44:41] Speaker 1: And so if you understand time as like a necessary
[4:44:45] Speaker 1: component so that things aren't all happening at once, then
[4:44:51] Speaker 1: it's hard to conceive that there could ever be a
[4:44:53] Speaker 1: reality without time.
[4:44:59] Speaker 25: I guess that mights sense. I don't I suppose from
[4:45:02] Speaker 25: my understanding of time from a like layman who occasionally
[4:45:06] Speaker 25: googles physics or whatever. My understanding is that time was
[4:45:13] Speaker 25: because I suppose, like if we go back to like
[4:45:16] Speaker 25: if there was nothing, if there was no matter or universe,
[4:45:21] Speaker 25: would we be able to say that time existed? And
[4:45:26] Speaker 25: I suppose, going off what you said, we'd have to
[4:45:28] Speaker 25: conclude that we'd look at if everything was happening all
[4:45:32] Speaker 25: at once. But how would we know that everything's happening
[4:45:34] Speaker 25: well at once if there's nothing to happen, right?
[4:45:37] Speaker 6: If that makes sense?
[4:45:38] Speaker 1: So when it comes to whether or not it's tied
[4:45:40] Speaker 1: to matter, this kind of it gets a little bit tricky.
[4:45:44] Speaker 1: So here's my current position. I think time and what
[4:45:50] Speaker 1: we're gonna call matter, I don't know stuff stuff in
[4:45:54] Speaker 1: the universe. I think it's a continuum, like the space
[4:45:59] Speaker 1: time web is a continuum. Right, so if time ceased
[4:46:03] Speaker 1: to exist, so would everything else in the continuum, which
[4:46:08] Speaker 1: means time and matter must exist together forever.
[4:46:14] Speaker 25: Yeah, yeah, I would agree with that. Yeah, Okay, No,
[4:46:21] Speaker 25: it was just something I suppose I wanted to get.
[4:46:24] Speaker 25: I knew you weren't going to be able to share
[4:46:25] Speaker 25: any opinion on it with that guy. Anyway it was, Yeah,
[4:46:29] Speaker 25: I just want to dispose hear it from your perspective.
[4:46:32] Speaker 1: So well, let me let me say one more thing
[4:46:34] Speaker 1: about that too. So you know, there's been this idea
[4:46:37] Speaker 1: that well, before matter existed, there was no time, either
[4:46:41] Speaker 1: was no time or matter. Right, But if that were
[4:46:44] Speaker 1: the case, if there was ever a point in which
[4:46:47] Speaker 1: there was no time and there was no matter, there
[4:46:50] Speaker 1: was completely nothingness, then there could never be something because
[4:46:54] Speaker 1: that means there, Yeah, there's no ability to change that point.
[4:47:01] Speaker 25: Yeah, because there would have to be a before that's
[4:47:03] Speaker 25: something and then after that's something, which would be yeah, okay, yeah,
[4:47:06] Speaker 25: I mean maybe that's a limitation on our own language
[4:47:09] Speaker 25: and perception. But times funky, So that is fun. It's
[4:47:14] Speaker 25: funky as man. And the last question because I've got
[4:47:17] Speaker 25: to leave you because I'm technically on a lunch break.
[4:47:20] Speaker 25: So I think I've heard you mentioned that you really
[4:47:24] Speaker 25: like the NRSV or that's at least the Bible that
[4:47:27] Speaker 25: you sort of you said it's seminary school, you sort
[4:47:31] Speaker 25: of that's the one that you get given.
[4:47:34] Speaker 6: Is that fair?
[4:47:35] Speaker 25: Like that you would say, if you're reading the Bible,
[4:47:37] Speaker 25: that's probably the one with the most accuracy. As a
[4:47:41] Speaker 25: translation compared to the original Hebrew and Greek, or I
[4:47:46] Speaker 25: suppose from from my perspective when I was in the church.
[4:47:49] Speaker 25: For example, the NRSV I'd never heard of. When I'd googled,
[4:47:52] Speaker 25: like what Bible should I read and looked at these
[4:47:55] Speaker 25: charts or scales where they put thought for thought and
[4:47:57] Speaker 25: word for word or whatever, it just seemed to come up.
[4:48:00] Speaker 25: And so I was curious, is if it was so
[4:48:03] Speaker 25: you know, important, I suppose, or such a key that's
[4:48:07] Speaker 25: not the right word, you know, if it's a Bible
[4:48:09] Speaker 25: that's used by people studying this stuff, I guess yeah,
[4:48:14] Speaker 25: if I've never heard of it, I just wanted to
[4:48:15] Speaker 25: double check.
[4:48:16] Speaker 2: Sure.
[4:48:17] Speaker 1: So there's really no such thing as a word for
[4:48:19] Speaker 1: word translation because Hebrew and Greek don't translate word for
[4:48:23] Speaker 1: word into English. And there are even bigger problems with Greek.
[4:48:26] Speaker 1: So for example, if you translated the Greek and the
[4:48:29] Speaker 1: English word for word, everything would be out of order.
[4:48:33] Speaker 1: So like you can have like the subject of a
[4:48:36] Speaker 1: verb at the beginning of a sentence and have the
[4:48:39] Speaker 1: object fifteen words away at the end of the sentence.
[4:48:42] Speaker 1: It's crazy how Greek works. So they have to re
[4:48:46] Speaker 1: order something and they have to rephrase some things, and
[4:48:48] Speaker 1: there's lots of idioms that they have to translate into,
[4:48:52] Speaker 1: Like when it talks about God's hot nose, this is
[4:48:56] Speaker 1: a Hebrew idiom for being angry. But like, you're not
[4:48:59] Speaker 1: gonna to find a translation that talks about God's hot
[4:49:02] Speaker 1: nos in English is not going to exist. So there's
[4:49:05] Speaker 1: just like a lot of stuff that they have to
[4:49:06] Speaker 1: translate over. And the question is are they adequately translating
[4:49:11] Speaker 1: the concept over? And I think the NRSV does a
[4:49:14] Speaker 1: good job of it. Now here's a caveat. If you
[4:49:18] Speaker 1: want something that's very wooden that tries to stick as
[4:49:22] Speaker 1: close to word for word as possible. I think the
[4:49:25] Speaker 1: best you're gonna get is probably in modern English, the
[4:49:28] Speaker 1: New King James version. But the problem that I have
[4:49:31] Speaker 1: with the New King James version is they go out
[4:49:33] Speaker 1: of their way to translate stuff wrong on purpose. There
[4:49:39] Speaker 1: are quite a few passages in the New King James
[4:49:41] Speaker 1: Bible where they translate it on purpose knowing that that's
[4:49:45] Speaker 1: not actually what is in there, and they try to
[4:49:49] Speaker 1: preserve like some Messianic overtones as to convince you that
[4:49:56] Speaker 1: Christ is in the Old Testament. So I'll give you example,
[4:49:59] Speaker 1: I think Daniel chapter nine was the one that came
[4:50:02] Speaker 1: to mind last time I was doing this.
[4:50:05] Speaker 3: But but.
[4:50:08] Speaker 2: M hm hmm.
[4:50:11] Speaker 1: If you go to Daniel chapter nine, yep, I'm bringing
[4:50:15] Speaker 1: it up. I think twenty five is where it starts.
[4:50:19] Speaker 20: Yep.
[4:50:19] Speaker 6: Okay, all right, A four and understand that one.
[4:50:25] Speaker 1: Yeah, to go to twenty five. It says it's really interesting,
[4:50:30] Speaker 1: says no thereforeign to understand that from the going forth
[4:50:32] Speaker 1: of the command to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until and
[4:50:35] Speaker 1: it says Messiah in capital, trying to to make you
[4:50:40] Speaker 1: think that it's about the Messiah Jesus. But I didn't
[4:50:43] Speaker 1: say anything about the Messiah. And this is something that
[4:50:46] Speaker 1: a bunch of translations will do because they really want
[4:50:49] Speaker 1: Daniel nine to be about the Messiah, even though there
[4:50:52] Speaker 1: are actually two messiahs mentioned there. And you'll get the
[4:50:55] Speaker 1: same thing, I believe if you go to especially in
[4:50:58] Speaker 1: the es V. Thees does this if I remember correctly,
[4:51:02] Speaker 1: it actually I think in the es V and the
[4:51:04] Speaker 1: King James it literally says the Messiah.
[4:51:08] Speaker 6: Right, okay.
[4:51:10] Speaker 25: ESV was one I probably read quite a lot. That
[4:51:13] Speaker 25: was sort of what my church told.
[4:51:14] Speaker 1: Me was, oh, they've got it updated Okay, so the
[4:51:17] Speaker 1: newest iteration that ESV changed it. It doesn't say the Messiah,
[4:51:21] Speaker 1: says an anointed one, which is actually accurate. That's what
[4:51:25] Speaker 1: it really says in the text. So good for them
[4:51:27] Speaker 1: for changing that. Let me see who else does this.
[4:51:31] Speaker 1: Let's grab the Actually, I'm curious to know what the
[4:51:38] Speaker 1: NESB did with this.
[4:51:40] Speaker 2: I mean, mare, we go make it shorter.
[4:51:47] Speaker 1: This one capitalizes Messiah too, until Messiah the Prince. Now,
[4:51:55] Speaker 1: I think the worst offender everyone already knows, which is
[4:51:59] Speaker 1: the King James, where it says unto the Messiah, didn't
[4:52:04] Speaker 1: say the Messiah. In Hebrew it just says an anointed one.
[4:52:10] Speaker 1: But anyways, so there's a couple of litmus tests that
[4:52:12] Speaker 1: I use for new translations to determine whether or not
[4:52:16] Speaker 1: they're being faithful, which what with what the text actually says,
[4:52:21] Speaker 1: or if they're trying to like write in their own
[4:52:23] Speaker 1: dogmas into the text. And I think the NIV does
[4:52:26] Speaker 1: it too. Let me check the NIV. Oh, this is interesting.
[4:52:32] Speaker 1: They go halfway. The NIV says rebuild Jerusalem until the
[4:52:38] Speaker 1: anointed one in capital in capital letters.
[4:52:42] Speaker 6: Okay, yep, all right, definitely trying something there.
[4:52:46] Speaker 2: They're trying.
[4:52:47] Speaker 1: They really want to Yeah, they really want to put
[4:52:49] Speaker 1: a Messiah Jesus in there. So but anyways, so that's
[4:52:53] Speaker 1: kind of one of the litmus tests. There's a couple
[4:52:55] Speaker 1: translations I really like. Though the NRSV is really good,
[4:52:59] Speaker 1: the New American Bible Revised Edition is just as good.
[4:53:03] Speaker 1: It's an amazing translation. It was done by a scholarly
[4:53:07] Speaker 1: committee of Catholic scholars, most of them Catholic, not all
[4:53:11] Speaker 1: of them, And so that's a really good translation. And
[4:53:16] Speaker 1: the Newest iteration of the New King James version is
[4:53:19] Speaker 1: not bad. Don't get get rid of your NIV. That's trash.
[4:53:24] Speaker 1: Get rid of your King James is trash. Don't get
[4:53:27] Speaker 1: your es V. The ESV is biased. The reason why
[4:53:31] Speaker 1: the NRSV is so well respected in academia is because
[4:53:37] Speaker 1: it started out as at least the Revised Edition started
[4:53:43] Speaker 1: out as like a pet project of Bruce Metzger. Bruce
[4:53:46] Speaker 1: Metzger is a princeton, a lum and professor. He used
[4:53:52] Speaker 1: to teach there. In fact, he was one of the
[4:53:53] Speaker 1: professors that taught Partierman at one point. But he was
[4:53:57] Speaker 1: known his nickname was the Godfather of Biblical Greek. Everyone
[4:54:00] Speaker 1: went to him for Biblical Greek, you know, academia. So
[4:54:07] Speaker 1: he really pioneered the revision of the New Revised Standard Version,
[4:54:13] Speaker 1: the one that we find all throughout like the nineties
[4:54:16] Speaker 1: and two thousands. And their team because they weren't they
[4:54:20] Speaker 1: weren't a bunch of Christians trying to preserve Christianity. The
[4:54:23] Speaker 1: team of translators were dedicated to just figure out what
[4:54:27] Speaker 1: is the proper translation, and then after you get the translation,
[4:54:31] Speaker 1: you can let all the theologians fight over it. And
[4:54:34] Speaker 1: so that's why the NRSV is so well trusted in
[4:54:37] Speaker 1: academia because they have no acts to grind.
[4:54:41] Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, they don't have that holes in the game
[4:54:44] Speaker 6: or whatever the thing is.
[4:54:45] Speaker 1: And that's why so many of the academic study Bibles
[4:54:48] Speaker 1: are from the NRSV. For example, the SBL Study Bible
[4:54:52] Speaker 1: is NRSV. The new Oxford Annotative Study Bibles is going
[4:54:56] Speaker 1: to be in the NRSV. The newest iteration it came
[4:55:00] Speaker 1: out in twenty twenty four of the Westminster Study Bible
[4:55:04] Speaker 1: is in the NRSV. So like all these academic institutions
[4:55:09] Speaker 1: are telling you they're they're showing their cards on the table,
[4:55:12] Speaker 1: the NRSV is the one that the academics go to.
[4:55:16] Speaker 6: Awesome.
[4:55:17] Speaker 25: That's good to know anyway, because I mean, yeah, a
[4:55:20] Speaker 25: coffree creek and Hebrew. Sorry, I can something that at
[4:55:23] Speaker 25: least people who can believe in. I think is a
[4:55:26] Speaker 25: good place to start. So anyway, I'm gonna have to
[4:55:29] Speaker 25: hop off because I'm going to get fired.
[4:55:31] Speaker 2: So give back so much back to it. I have
[4:55:34] Speaker 2: a good one. Covey, cheers, I appreciate it.
[4:55:36] Speaker 6: Cheers.
[4:55:36] Speaker 1: Man, what a nice guy. I love the accent. By
[4:55:40] Speaker 1: the way, Let me grab these last super chats guys,
[4:55:44] Speaker 1: and then somebody on TikTok let me know who's live
[4:55:47] Speaker 1: right now. I can't stay till midnight. I've got an
[4:55:49] Speaker 1: early morning work. I've I've got a lot of work
[4:55:54] Speaker 1: business all week. Next week I can have some a
[4:55:58] Speaker 1: little more late night fun. But this week it's all business.
[4:56:03] Speaker 1: So someone grab me someone that we can raid.
[4:56:05] Speaker 2: Is Joel Live? All right?
[4:56:07] Speaker 1: The toaster pirate Thank you for the fight. Our supertest
[4:56:10] Speaker 1: says there are a lot of problems with violence, misogyny,
[4:56:12] Speaker 1: anti intellectualism, classism, and more with Hinduism. I wouldn't consider
[4:56:17] Speaker 1: it relatively harmless, but you're not completely wrong and We've
[4:56:20] Speaker 1: talked about this before, where in the Hindu faith, because
[4:56:25] Speaker 1: of the reincarnation situation, they believe a lot of people
[4:56:28] Speaker 1: that are in poor and dire situations is because of
[4:56:32] Speaker 1: their past life. They did something bad in their past life,
[4:56:35] Speaker 1: and so they justify they justify bad behavior based on that,
[4:56:40] Speaker 1: Like you can treat people less than because of what
[4:56:43] Speaker 1: they did in their past life. So I get you,
[4:56:46] Speaker 1: I hear you on that. But what I and there
[4:56:49] Speaker 1: is there's a lot of misogyny in the culture as well.
[4:56:53] Speaker 1: But what I'm saying is other other than like this
[4:56:57] Speaker 1: whole caste system that was developed out of the Hindu faith.
[4:57:02] Speaker 1: I'm not aware of anything in the actual faith, like
[4:57:05] Speaker 1: in their writings or in their teachings that I think
[4:57:09] Speaker 1: are paralleled in the Abrahamic faiths. I hope that helps
[4:57:13] Speaker 1: skeptics and san angels. Thank you for the super chest
[4:57:15] Speaker 1: says matter is solidified energy known as energy. God, enter God,
[4:57:20] Speaker 1: well listen, you might be writ skeptics. I don't know
[4:57:23] Speaker 1: anything about that, but I'm willing to willing to learn
[4:57:27] Speaker 1: and total spoof. Thank you so much for the ten
[4:57:29] Speaker 1: dollar superchat. Big w says, can you go a little
[4:57:31] Speaker 1: bit deeper into why Simon bar blah blah did more
[4:57:35] Speaker 1: than Jesus. I don't know much about him. Well, just
[4:57:39] Speaker 1: go ahead and google tonight the bar Kokva Rebellion and
[4:57:43] Speaker 1: you'll find out a lot. In fact, there's a lot
[4:57:47] Speaker 1: written on the time period, more than what we can
[4:57:50] Speaker 1: cover tonight. But google the bar Koka Rebellion and you'll
[4:57:54] Speaker 1: probably get about as much information as you can get.
[4:57:59] Speaker 1: I think Cassie is de O is the Roman source
[4:58:01] Speaker 1: that covers a lot of the rebellion. So if you've
[4:58:04] Speaker 1: got a PDF for a book of Cassius Dio, you
[4:58:08] Speaker 1: can see a lot of what he says. And last
[4:58:10] Speaker 1: one from Mike, thank you so much for the supertest
[4:58:12] Speaker 1: is praise Doug. Doug be praised, Hail Doug, et cetera.
[4:58:16] Speaker 1: It reminds me of the money Python, the money Python quotes.
[4:58:21] Speaker 1: How they say that, Uh, thank you so much, Mike.
[4:58:23] Speaker 1: I appreciate that, and Doug appreciates that. Never take Doug
[4:58:26] Speaker 1: for granted. Guys, All right, now, I'm told that Joel
[4:58:30] Speaker 1: and Mezzo are currently live. Let me see real quick,
[4:58:33] Speaker 1: are they live on Joel's TikTok or on Mezzo's TikTok?
[4:58:37] Speaker 1: Because if they're live on Joel. I'm going to direct
[4:58:39] Speaker 1: people to Joel's YouTube page. Joel's all right. Listen, guys,
[4:58:47] Speaker 1: we're gonna direct a bunch of people over to Joel
[4:58:52] Speaker 1: Read's Bible on YouTube. One second. Also, now's a good
[4:58:58] Speaker 1: time to advertise Saturday, guys. On Saturday, I'm gonna be
[4:59:02] Speaker 1: doing a live stream with doctor Kip Davis and doctor
[4:59:05] Speaker 1: Joshua Bowen, and we're gonna be absolutely obliterating West Huff
[4:59:09] Speaker 1: on his nonsense talking points about biblical slavery. He's getting
[4:59:14] Speaker 1: literally roasted alive. It's gonna be wild, Like I haven't
[4:59:18] Speaker 1: been more excited for something in a while. So pack
[4:59:23] Speaker 1: a lunch. We're gonna be live for quite some time,
[4:59:27] Speaker 1: and we're gonna be cooking.
[4:59:28] Speaker 3: All right.
[4:59:28] Speaker 1: Let me see if we can get his screen up here.
[4:59:32] Speaker 1: This is Joel Reid's Bible on YouTube.
[4:59:36] Speaker 3: Guys.
[4:59:36] Speaker 1: I want to see his chat get absolutely flooded with
[4:59:40] Speaker 1: comments people saying that they came from my live. Let's
[4:59:43] Speaker 1: light up the chat, guys. That's his screen name right
[4:59:46] Speaker 1: here at the bottom where it says Joel reads Bible.
[4:59:49] Speaker 2: Right here, Joel reads Bible.
[4:59:53] Speaker 1: That's where you want to go, guys, And currently he's
[4:59:56] Speaker 1: got fifty three people watching on YouTube. See this number,
[5:00:00] Speaker 1: fifty three people watching on YouTube. We got to get
[5:00:03] Speaker 1: that up, guys. We got to get this number way up.
[5:00:05] Speaker 1: We need to get this way over one hundred. Let's
[5:00:07] Speaker 1: see if we can pop Joel's live well over one
[5:00:10] Speaker 1: hundred and get this party started. I want to see
[5:00:13] Speaker 1: Joel's live stream pop off. Joel is an amazing creator.
[5:00:18] Speaker 1: I promise you will not regret following Joel. If you
[5:00:21] Speaker 1: follow me and you like what I have to do,
[5:00:23] Speaker 1: You're going to love Joel. We're at seventy eight now, guys,
[5:00:27] Speaker 1: let's get this thing up over one hundred. I'll meet
[5:00:29] Speaker 1: you over there. Since we get over one hundred and
[5:00:31] Speaker 1: eighty four, let's pop it off, guys, let's pop it off.
[5:00:34] Speaker 1: Let's get this party started over at Joel's place. Let's
[5:00:38] Speaker 1: get this raid going. I see eighty four. I don't
[5:00:41] Speaker 1: see it budging. Is anyone there is anyone going over?
[5:00:44] Speaker 1: I need to see this thing come up past eighty four?
[5:00:47] Speaker 1: Let me refresh it.
[5:00:48] Speaker 2: Where are we at? Where are we at?
[5:00:51] Speaker 5: All right?
[5:00:52] Speaker 2: One hundred and three? Very good?
[5:00:53] Speaker 1: All right, guys, I'll see you over there in just
[5:00:55] Speaker 1: a minute. Guys, Thank you so much for all the
[5:00:57] Speaker 1: likes and the comments and the shares and the super chats,
[5:01:00] Speaker 1: big w thank you so much for supporting guys. I'll
[5:01:02] Speaker 1: see you again Friday night, and we'll be having a
[5:01:06] Speaker 1: special stream Saturday, and I'll see you again on Sunday night.
[5:01:09] Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Love you, guys.

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