# 2025-11-30 LIVE DEBATE \[God is Imaginary\]

An episode of [Deconstruction Zone](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1837730286), 6 Jan 2026, 5 h 13 min.

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## Transcript

[0:06] Speaker 1: All right, all right, I think both of our YouTube
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[0:20] Speaker 1: For my phone volume off before I forget.
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[0:30] Speaker 1: I think everything's running. Welcome in, friends. I hope everybody
[0:33] Speaker 1: had a had a good Thanksgiving, got to eat lots
[0:37] Speaker 1: of turkey, got to see friends and family and uh,
[0:42] Speaker 1: you know, all the good stuff, and wrestle with the
[0:44] Speaker 1: nieces and nephews and all that. It is, uh Sunday night.
[0:49] Speaker 1: We're doing the thing. Listen, December is fun. I'm excited
[0:53] Speaker 1: for some of our December topics. We haven't really done
[0:57] Speaker 1: this December topic since well you guessed it last December,
[1:01] Speaker 1: so we're gonna do some fun ones. Can't wait. Welcome in, everybody,
[1:06] Speaker 1: Welcome in. We shouldn't have guests loaded up here shortly,
[1:11] Speaker 1: so we'll have that rock and roll, and we've got
[1:13] Speaker 1: a couple of super chats already, and I think Volta
[1:17] Speaker 1: and Faraday will probably be up here shortly. They're doing
[1:21] Speaker 1: what they do. They're downstairs wrestling right now, but they'll
[1:27] Speaker 1: be up here. Salutations to you David. Good to see
[1:30] Speaker 1: them and good question. Good to see my friend. Hope
[1:35] Speaker 1: you're doing well. We had a good weekend. Thank you
[1:37] Speaker 1: for the supertests. How can this be improved? Poor options? One,
[1:41] Speaker 1: Jesus and Yeahweh are not spirits. That's a tough one
[1:45] Speaker 1: because the Bible does kind of the New Testament says
[1:53] Speaker 1: that God is spirit, but the Old Testament doesn't really
[1:56] Speaker 1: have that connotation. It kind of implies that it might
[1:59] Speaker 1: be spirit. But he says Jesus and Yahweh are not spirits.
[2:02] Speaker 1: I would agree with that Jesus and Yahweh are non
[2:06] Speaker 1: holy spirits. Well, that is the case, right. Three, the
[2:10] Speaker 1: Bible is lying to us. Four, the Trinity the hoax.
[2:12] Speaker 1: I think I think all of them are true. I
[2:14] Speaker 1: think here's the question you have to ask yourself. Right,
[2:19] Speaker 1: the mind, body, spirit matrix of the Trinity is kind
[2:24] Speaker 1: of senseless because if God is a spirit, then what
[2:28] Speaker 1: that means is that God, God, the Father Yahweh is
[2:32] Speaker 1: a spirit, which means Yahweh is a spirit who has
[2:36] Speaker 1: a spirit. That breaks the model. Why would we assume
[2:39] Speaker 1: that there's a spirit that has its own spirit. That's
[2:42] Speaker 1: such a nonsensical take, right, But it would be. Certainly,
[2:45] Speaker 1: it would be ridiculous to believe that the New Tusman
[2:48] Speaker 1: authors when they say that God is Spirit, meant to
[2:51] Speaker 1: say God has a spirit, or that the Holy Spirit
[2:56] Speaker 1: is God. It's just one of those those goofy things where,
[3:00] Speaker 1: you know, when Paul wrote those words. I think it
[3:02] Speaker 1: was Paul this said that he just didn't realize the
[3:05] Speaker 1: ramifications of his words. Let me see where that was.
[3:11] Speaker 1: But John, sorry, it wasn't in John. It was Jesus.
[3:18] Speaker 1: Jesus said that with the lady at the well, and
[3:21] Speaker 1: John Forrest says God is spirit, and those who worship
[3:24] Speaker 1: God in truth must be led by the Spirit, so
[3:27] Speaker 1: on and so forth. So certainly Jesus would have been
[3:29] Speaker 1: referring to the Father. You know, I wouldn't think that
[3:33] Speaker 1: he was referring to the Holy Spirit. What a weird
[3:37] Speaker 1: thing to say that the Holy Spirit wants you to
[3:38] Speaker 1: worship Him in spirit and truth. Such a weird thing.
[3:42] Speaker 1: First or Tewod Corinthians three seventeen was the first one
[3:45] Speaker 1: I was thinking of. It says, now the Lord is
[3:47] Speaker 1: the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is
[3:50] Speaker 1: there is liberty. That's the one I was thinking of anyway,
[3:53] Speaker 1: So there's that, you know, handsome kind, good to see us, says,
[3:57] Speaker 1: Jesus just turned the other cheek, doesn't resist evil, let
[4:00] Speaker 1: people steal from you. Philosophy would literally lead to a
[4:03] Speaker 1: nightmare society. No one listened to him. Well, that's the
[4:08] Speaker 1: thing is that I kind of suspect Jesus would have
[4:11] Speaker 1: been like a hippie revolutionary who didn't care for money
[4:16] Speaker 1: or government structures or anything like that. If people really
[4:19] Speaker 1: did take Jesus's words seriously, I really don't believe that
[4:26] Speaker 1: they would be capitalist. Like you might debate on what
[4:29] Speaker 1: they could be, what they might be, but they certainly,
[4:32] Speaker 1: if you're following Jesus' words, wouldn't be certainly wouldn't be capitalists.
[4:37] Speaker 1: And the Dark Soul good to see you, Thank you
[4:39] Speaker 1: for the the super chest says it would be neat
[4:41] Speaker 1: to see you debate Andrew Wilson. Well, he doesn't do
[4:44] Speaker 1: the same topics that I do because he doesn't seem
[4:46] Speaker 1: to debate a whole lot of educated people. He does not. Also,
[4:49] Speaker 1: could you do more hell justification topics? I could. I
[4:52] Speaker 1: could definitely do that for you. A Dark Soul, we
[4:55] Speaker 1: do a hell topic. I think it's called hell is
[4:58] Speaker 1: unjust or something of that nature. We could definitely do
[5:00] Speaker 1: it for sure. The problem with Andrew Wilson is I
[5:04] Speaker 1: don't think Andrew Wilson does like the God debate, Like
[5:09] Speaker 1: he doesn't debate the validity of Christianity, and so I'm
[5:12] Speaker 1: not sure we would ever debate things like he debates,
[5:15] Speaker 1: like Christian nationalism, like who gives a fuck?
[5:17] Speaker 2: Right?
[5:18] Speaker 1: So like the way the current mode of Christian debate
[5:22] Speaker 1: has been going has been well, it doesn't matter if
[5:24] Speaker 1: it's true, you should do it just because it's somehow
[5:27] Speaker 1: good for you, which is asinine. I think, Dexter, good
[5:31] Speaker 1: to see you. I think we're sending out five easy
[5:33] Speaker 1: debate gifted memberships. I really appreciate that, friend big W
[5:37] Speaker 1: big W and helping Mega deconstruct. Good to see you
[5:42] Speaker 1: as well tonight, says I hope you had a great
[5:43] Speaker 1: Thanksgiving I did. Friend to Ken ducan shrin please turn
[5:47] Speaker 1: the heat back on outside? Well, that is the thing,
[5:52] Speaker 1: you know, there's not much we could do about that.
[5:55] Speaker 1: Wherever you live, where I live it's cold as well,
[5:58] Speaker 1: it does. You know, we're gonna have to put up
[6:01] Speaker 1: with it. But rockhard for Doug, simply what for Sharon?
[6:04] Speaker 1: Whor's supremacy. Well, I don't know if I believe in
[6:10] Speaker 1: the supremacy of the streams, but thank you for being here.
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[6:36] Speaker 1: thank you for the tendark. Canadian chest says, do you
[6:38] Speaker 1: know much about the history of Mary and her sons?
[6:41] Speaker 1: After Jesus died? Wouldn't you expect lots of writings about
[6:44] Speaker 1: the Mother of God? Is there any good writings for this?
[6:47] Speaker 1: I mean kind of. We have a number of Infancy
[6:49] Speaker 1: Gospels from the Apoker full tuition, so like there's the apocryphal,
[6:56] Speaker 1: you know, works of James, also referred to as the
[7:00] Speaker 1: prudo Evangelism of James or the Infancy Gospel of James,
[7:05] Speaker 1: and there's other ones that were pretty influential at the
[7:07] Speaker 1: early Church that kind of described the youth of Jesus,
[7:11] Speaker 1: and like the family itself, and they ensried quite a
[7:14] Speaker 1: few doctrines. Quite a few early doctrines are found in
[7:17] Speaker 1: these works that don't show up in the Bible. She
[7:22] Speaker 1: she too has almost dropped a bowl of gravy on Thanksgiving. Woof.
[7:26] Speaker 1: I'm glad you didn't. That would be that'd be a mess.
[7:29] Speaker 1: When I saved it, I said, praise Doug. My entire
[7:32] Speaker 1: family looked at me like an alien. I just giggled,
[7:34] Speaker 1: didn't even try to explain. I love it. You don't
[7:37] Speaker 1: have to explain.
[7:38] Speaker 2: Listen.
[7:38] Speaker 1: If they can't explain the trinity, you don't have to explain.
[7:40] Speaker 2: Doug.
[7:41] Speaker 1: Well, I mean, that's ridiculous. Doug just is and can bess.
[7:45] Speaker 1: Thank you for the twenty seven niney nine dollars super chess.
[7:48] Speaker 5: Keep it up.
[7:48] Speaker 1: I'm running out of funds, well, can best. It's the holidays.
[7:51] Speaker 1: Don't run out of funds. Take care of yourself and
[7:53] Speaker 1: your family. Thank you so much for being here. Just
[7:56] Speaker 1: watching the stream helps a lot. And last super chat
[7:59] Speaker 1: for now from our friend Drew. Drew, thank you so
[8:01] Speaker 1: much for the twenty dollars supertest says, can you believe
[8:04] Speaker 1: that I debated a guy in a Facebook thread who
[8:06] Speaker 1: claimed that secularism was a part of atheism. I mean,
[8:12] Speaker 1: I don't think so. He didn't seem to understand the
[8:15] Speaker 1: difference in the two concepts. Like, so, secularism is basically
[8:19] Speaker 1: a world or like in USA we refer to governments
[8:22] Speaker 1: this way, a world or a system that just operates
[8:26] Speaker 1: without a religious motive. Right, So if we said that, like,
[8:30] Speaker 1: the school is secular, it's not that the school is atheist.
[8:34] Speaker 1: It's just that the school doesn't have a religious motive.
[8:37] Speaker 1: That's all that means. Just like when I was a Christian,
[8:41] Speaker 1: we referred to secular music, secular music wasn't atheist music.
[8:45] Speaker 1: Secular music was just non religious music. That's all it
[8:49] Speaker 1: was to it. The people who were singing and the
[8:51] Speaker 1: bands quite often weren't atheists. Atheists make up a tiny
[8:54] Speaker 1: fraction of the population. All right, let's get our first
[8:57] Speaker 1: guest in here. We're gonna get Let's see who is this?
[9:01] Speaker 1: If I can read the tiny text, Cyrus. Probably not
[9:05] Speaker 1: Cyrus the Great. We'll find out Tyrus. Welcome.
[9:10] Speaker 6: Believe I named myself because I changed my name from
[9:15] Speaker 6: from Darius to Cyrus because of Cyrus the Great. But
[9:19] Speaker 6: I do not believe in a God. But I have
[9:20] Speaker 6: a question for you to do with the beliefs in
[9:26] Speaker 6: a god, if that's all right, okay. So I also
[9:29] Speaker 6: debate religious people, usually on discord and religious debate servers.
[9:34] Speaker 5: I'm sorry, well it's okay.
[9:38] Speaker 6: I was talking to a Muslim guy and I was
[9:40] Speaker 6: giving him a ton of arguments against religion, and he he,
[9:43] Speaker 6: he brought up Pascal's wager, at least in a like
[9:46] Speaker 6: colloquial sense of he referred to it, but he didn't
[9:49] Speaker 6: specifically call it Pascal's wager.
[9:52] Speaker 4: And.
[9:56] Speaker 6: I didn't know what to say in return. I knew
[9:59] Speaker 6: he was referring to that, but I did not know
[10:01] Speaker 6: how to argue against it. And I want to ask
[10:04] Speaker 6: you what you would say sure would be a good
[10:06] Speaker 6: argument against Pascal's wager.
[10:08] Speaker 1: Well, well, I would start by first of all, suggesting
[10:12] Speaker 1: that Pascal's Wager isn't really an argument. There's no premises
[10:16] Speaker 1: or conclusions in it. So the conclusion theoretically is that
[10:22] Speaker 1: there's a benefit to believing. But the problem is you
[10:25] Speaker 1: can't force yourself to believe in a god like the
[10:28] Speaker 1: basis of Christianity and Islam is that you are a
[10:31] Speaker 1: believer and somehow that benefits you. But you can't force
[10:33] Speaker 1: yourself to believe, like I can't will myself to believe.
[10:37] Speaker 1: You either believe or you don't. So the premise from
[10:39] Speaker 1: the starting point is wrong. The other problem is that
[10:43] Speaker 1: it assumes Pascal Wager always assumes that their particular religion
[10:48] Speaker 1: is the only option. It's always like Christianity of verse
[10:52] Speaker 1: atheism Muslim or Islam versus atheism, right, But the reality
[10:56] Speaker 1: is you could be wrong about Christianity and then still
[11:02] Speaker 1: end up in Muslim hell. Right, So just saying like, well,
[11:04] Speaker 1: it's better to believe, because if in fact you believe,
[11:09] Speaker 1: you get rewarded for it. And if you believe and
[11:11] Speaker 1: there's nothing after life, well it doesn't matter, there's still nothing.
[11:14] Speaker 1: And then if you don't believe, it's still nothing after life,
[11:17] Speaker 1: but in fact you could get punished for it. Well,
[11:20] Speaker 1: the reality is that don't believe. Part could be applied
[11:22] Speaker 1: to any religion. Like That's why. If the argument can
[11:25] Speaker 1: be applied to the muzz religion, religion and any other religion,
[11:28] Speaker 1: then it's just not a good argument. It's just an
[11:30] Speaker 1: argument for general theism.
[11:33] Speaker 6: Now that you lay it out for me, I really
[11:35] Speaker 6: regret that I did not come up with that, because
[11:38] Speaker 6: that is definitely a line of reason I can follow myself.
[11:41] Speaker 6: So I could have definitely come up came up with it,
[11:43] Speaker 6: but in the moment it was like two am to two.
[11:45] Speaker 6: So in my defense, but thank you very much, that's
[11:49] Speaker 6: honestly all I had. I'm very happy you answered that.
[11:50] Speaker 1: For you breaking up a little bit, I think we
[11:54] Speaker 1: caught most of that. But Sorries listens. Best of luck
[11:58] Speaker 1: to you. We hope you have good luck in your
[12:02] Speaker 1: in your debates. If you have questions on some of
[12:04] Speaker 1: these arguments, I would also point you towards our discord server,
[12:08] Speaker 1: because our discord server is full of people having these
[12:10] Speaker 1: conversations as well. It's a really good place to meet people. Fuck,
[12:14] Speaker 1: you'll meet people in the discord server that are way
[12:15] Speaker 1: smarter than I am, that's for sure. Okay, Well, all right,
[12:22] Speaker 1: Oh shit, I thought I thought I thought we lost connection.
[12:25] Speaker 1: Sorry Syrus, Sorry buddy, your connection was getting pretty shoddy.
[12:29] Speaker 1: I thought it dropped. Let me get our what is
[12:32] Speaker 1: probably our first op in here bookman, praise Christ. Are
[12:37] Speaker 1: you you know I can't complain? Are you at least eighteen?
[12:40] Speaker 1: And do you believe in Godden?
[12:41] Speaker 4: Yeah?
[12:43] Speaker 1: H last yeah? So are you at least eighteen? And
[12:49] Speaker 1: are you at least eighteen? And do you believe in God?
[12:54] Speaker 4: Yeah?
[12:55] Speaker 5: Yeah, dope?
[12:57] Speaker 1: And which one?
[12:59] Speaker 7: I want to give you evidence to why I believe
[13:01] Speaker 7: in God?
[13:04] Speaker 1: Evidence? I love to have some some evidence. Is it
[13:06] Speaker 1: personal experience? Though?
[13:09] Speaker 8: No, it's something you can search on Google's.
[13:15] Speaker 1: Oh okay, all right, yeah, let's do it. Come on,
[13:22] Speaker 1: I'm waiting. I'm all ears. But there's no such thing
[13:26] Speaker 1: as putting you on the There's no such thing as
[13:28] Speaker 1: putting you on the green screen. I think you're I
[13:36] Speaker 1: think you're confused about how this works. So you're currently
[13:38] Speaker 1: being streamed to TikTok and YouTube. I have no method
[13:42] Speaker 1: of enlarging you on the YouTube screen. So if you
[13:45] Speaker 1: want to show me your source whatever you think that
[13:47] Speaker 1: it looks like a Google AI overview. If you wanted
[13:51] Speaker 1: to tell me what your sources, I'm more than happy
[13:53] Speaker 1: to put it into my browser and.
[13:54] Speaker 5: Put its listen.
[13:57] Speaker 8: My source is somebody who said he had he had
[14:02] Speaker 8: wanted to get the coronavirus shot famous, right, he wanted
[14:07] Speaker 8: to do this?
[14:09] Speaker 1: Your source? Your sources? Vaccine hoax is a is a
[14:15] Speaker 1: crazy uh, crazy turn of events. My source of God
[14:20] Speaker 1: being real is that there's a person out there who
[14:24] Speaker 1: hoaxed a vaccine conspiracy theory. And the interesting thing right
[14:29] Speaker 1: now is you think that you actually had a point
[14:32] Speaker 1: when you where you don't actually have a point. So
[14:36] Speaker 1: the reality is, I'm I'm waiting for some sort of
[14:41] Speaker 1: connection point between the coronavirus POAs. I'm just turned my
[14:47] Speaker 1: microphone up here. We'll just turn it up a bit
[14:49] Speaker 1: louder there, so now you can't actually talk over me.
[14:53] Speaker 1: So what I was hoping that you would do was
[14:56] Speaker 1: that you would ask me or talk about something really
[15:00] Speaker 1: into your religion, not about coronavirus. Do you have anything
[15:03] Speaker 1: like that?
[15:05] Speaker 8: Listen, bro listen, Yes, this is related to my belief.
[15:11] Speaker 1: In Christ to tell you, but you.
[15:13] Speaker 7: Won't even hear me out.
[15:15] Speaker 1: You keep trying to overtalk. I love it, I love it.
[15:18] Speaker 1: Prove it, prove your point. Praise.
[15:20] Speaker 8: Okay, thank you, thank you, thank you. So don't say
[15:23] Speaker 8: nothing about when I mentioned coronavirus and the man. You
[15:26] Speaker 8: want me to show you how how you funded it too?
[15:28] Speaker 8: You want me to put that screen shot.
[15:30] Speaker 1: I'm sorry. Who's Who's the guy? Bill Gates? The name
[15:34] Speaker 1: of the Bill.
[15:38] Speaker 8: Yeah, keep laughing at that white dude.
[15:40] Speaker 5: That dude is evil.
[15:41] Speaker 8: I'm telling you. You know he's evil too, like everybody
[15:45] Speaker 8: knows he's wicked.
[15:46] Speaker 1: Like, okay, So, so God is real because because Bill
[15:51] Speaker 1: Gates is evil. I just want to I just want
[15:53] Speaker 1: to make sure we get the argument straight. So God
[15:56] Speaker 1: is real because Bill Gates is evil, just like let
[16:00] Speaker 1: me uh, let me, I'll start a syllogism for you
[16:03] Speaker 1: real quick, so we do p one he too, and
[16:07] Speaker 1: then conclusion. So our conclusion so far is that God
[16:11] Speaker 1: is real and our first premise is Bill Gates is evil.
[16:21] Speaker 1: Is there another premise or is it just premise number one?
[16:24] Speaker 1: Bill Gates is evil? Therefore God is real.
[16:26] Speaker 8: Let me show you, show you I'm Finn, show you
[16:29] Speaker 8: like respectfully, because you'd be thinking, you know something, bro,
[16:33] Speaker 8: you're not even listening. In the Bible it talks about
[16:36] Speaker 8: in last days, you're gonna have to take something to
[16:39] Speaker 8: be a part of his society, right?
[16:42] Speaker 1: Sorry? Does it mention Bill Gates?
[16:45] Speaker 8: This this Antichrist and of Satan not following Christ. He
[16:48] Speaker 8: said he want to take he want to take well,
[16:52] Speaker 8: he said he want to take the strip of guys
[16:54] Speaker 8: Who's He said, who's gonna buy it?
[16:55] Speaker 3: Who's gonna buy it?
[16:56] Speaker 8: We're gonna take He said, no, we're gonna buy nothing.
[16:58] Speaker 1: Trump's bying it, Trump's putting hotel on it. Ain't gonna
[17:03] Speaker 1: gonna Just to be clear, Just to be clear, the
[17:07] Speaker 1: the second premise of the syllogism is, I assume is
[17:11] Speaker 1: that Bill Gates Trump is uh making the Mark of
[17:19] Speaker 1: the you know, which is a vaccine that next to
[17:30] Speaker 1: five G to control human minds. So it's is premise
[17:38] Speaker 1: three neural link is premise is premise three? Neuralink, what's
[17:44] Speaker 1: premise three in this argument? What's premise three in the argument?
[17:49] Speaker 8: That is already a form of somebody damned, they put
[17:52] Speaker 8: some damn thing in their head and they they better
[17:55] Speaker 8: hope they had cut.
[17:58] Speaker 1: Okay, So sour link is the is the other antichrist?
[18:07] Speaker 1: What are you looking at the syllogism on the board
[18:12] Speaker 1: right now. Premise number one, Bill Gates is evil. Premise
[18:15] Speaker 1: number two, Bill Gates is making the Mark of the Beast,
[18:17] Speaker 1: which is a vaccine that connects to five G to
[18:20] Speaker 1: control human minds. Premise number is neurallink is another antichrist?
[18:27] Speaker 1: And this obviously leads to the conclusion that God is real. Yeah,
[18:34] Speaker 1: because this is this is wild. So in order in
[18:38] Speaker 1: order for you to demonstrate that Bill Gates is the Antichrist,
[18:41] Speaker 1: you would have to first demonstrate that the Bible is true.
[18:44] Speaker 1: Can you do that he is an Antichrist before you
[18:49] Speaker 1: can say he's before you, before you say he's the
[18:54] Speaker 1: or a Antichrist, you would first need to establish that,
[18:58] Speaker 1: in fact, that the Bible was real. So, just to
[19:02] Speaker 1: be sure your argument is circular, we're saying the Bible
[19:05] Speaker 1: is true because there's this person that I think is
[19:08] Speaker 1: an Antichrist, and this person is the Antichrist because the
[19:12] Speaker 1: Bible is true. This makes for a circular argument. In fact,
[19:16] Speaker 1: I'll just I'll demonstrate to you why this is circular.
[19:19] Speaker 1: So Premise number one is anti christ are real. Premise
[19:29] Speaker 1: number one, Premise number two is because anti Christs are real,
[19:38] Speaker 1: the Bible is true. And then so the conclusion is
[19:46] Speaker 1: that actually premise number three, Premise number three would be
[19:51] Speaker 1: the Bible is true because there are Antichrist. Oh, this
[19:59] Speaker 1: is zero. Well, he is the zero Antichrist. So it
[20:03] Speaker 1: becomes circular. There's no there's no actual conclusion. There's no
[20:07] Speaker 1: actual conclusion because it it just goes back to premise
[20:11] Speaker 1: number one, which is anti Christ. Christ's Antichrist are real.
[20:19] Speaker 1: So this is the the basic structure of a circular argument.
[20:23] Speaker 1: It starts with the Antichrists are real because Antichrist are real.
[20:27] Speaker 1: The Bible is true. The Bible is true because there
[20:30] Speaker 1: are Antichrists. The conclusion is just the first premise, Antichrist
[20:34] Speaker 1: are real, which means you have a circular argument.
[20:43] Speaker 9: Are you are you?
[20:44] Speaker 8: Are you aware of what you just said?
[20:52] Speaker 2: Look at this guy, Look at the guy.
[20:53] Speaker 5: Praise to the idol. Praise to the idol.
[20:55] Speaker 1: John Cena.
[20:56] Speaker 8: John Cena will tell you Jesus Christ is real.
[21:00] Speaker 1: John, say, Jesus up all day long. Jesus didn't even
[21:04] Speaker 1: have abs. Jesus didn't even know how to use a hammer.
[21:08] Speaker 1: The dude the first time he touched a piece of wood,
[21:11] Speaker 1: he got hung on it. You're you're goofy. You're just
[21:15] Speaker 1: a blasphemer, and you you're one. I am a blasphemer.
[21:20] Speaker 1: I am that. I am definitely a blasphemer.
[21:26] Speaker 7: You would kill me.
[21:29] Speaker 1: I would not because I'm not so I'm not a Christian.
[21:33] Speaker 1: So I'm not a Christian. I don't do violence. But
[21:35] Speaker 1: the Bible does actually endorse violence. I don't endorse violence.
[21:40] Speaker 1: In fact, I'm not even pro death penalty. Are you?
[21:43] Speaker 1: Are you? Are you for the capital punishment? Are you
[21:46] Speaker 1: for capital punishment?
[21:49] Speaker 2: No? Oh?
[21:49] Speaker 1: Neither am I? So no, I would never kill you.
[21:53] Speaker 1: It sounds like you're you're making really silly, presumptuous claims
[21:57] Speaker 1: about a person you don't know anything about. Do you
[22:00] Speaker 1: think that it is wrong to disobey God? By the way,
[22:04] Speaker 1: if something, do you think it's wrong to disobey God?
[22:07] Speaker 9: Wait?
[22:08] Speaker 1: Do you think it's wrong to disobey God? No, I'm
[22:11] Speaker 1: not I'm not gonna I'm actually not gonna. Wait wait, wait,
[22:14] Speaker 1: listen to you. So the question that I'm asking right
[22:17] Speaker 1: now is do you think it's right or wrong to
[22:19] Speaker 1: disobey God?
[22:21] Speaker 7: That's what I'm talking about.
[22:22] Speaker 1: Would you don't know nothing? I didn't even hear your
[22:24] Speaker 1: question because you were too busy yapp and while I
[22:26] Speaker 1: was asking you a question, So do you think it's
[22:29] Speaker 1: right or wrong to disobey God? Listen? Let me tell
[22:34] Speaker 1: you something, sir. He can't answer a single question it
[22:38] Speaker 1: This is embarrassing, So we'll try this again. Praise Christ.
[22:42] Speaker 1: Do you think that you should obey or disobey God?
[22:47] Speaker 1: Huh do you think you should obey or disobey God?
[22:54] Speaker 8: Should I obey or disobey God?
[22:56] Speaker 9: Sir?
[22:57] Speaker 3: I'm gonna obey.
[22:58] Speaker 7: God, Jesus Christ.
[23:00] Speaker 1: Okay, there we go. And should you obey God no
[23:04] Speaker 1: matter what he says? What you mean, should I'll obey him?
[23:09] Speaker 7: No matter what he says? Of course?
[23:11] Speaker 1: Should you obey? Okay? So then if God told you to,
[23:15] Speaker 1: I don't know, take a sword to a baby, it'd
[23:17] Speaker 1: be a good to obey God.
[23:20] Speaker 3: That's never gonna happen again.
[23:21] Speaker 8: Listen, let me show you right now.
[23:22] Speaker 1: I didn't ask if it did. I didn't ask if
[23:24] Speaker 1: it whatever happened again? So what I asked him? So
[23:29] Speaker 1: you're not gonna You're not gonna hold on, hold on,
[23:31] Speaker 1: hold on. We're not done yet. You can crash out
[23:34] Speaker 1: in a minute. So I didn't ask you if God
[23:36] Speaker 1: would tell you to do that? I said, if it's
[23:40] Speaker 1: an if question? Is a hypothetical question, right, If God
[23:44] Speaker 1: told you to take a sword to a baby, would
[23:46] Speaker 1: it be wrong to disobey him? Also, by the way,
[23:49] Speaker 1: you're muted.
[23:52] Speaker 8: Yeah, because you did that, sir, You just like shut
[23:55] Speaker 8: me up with you.
[23:56] Speaker 1: Yeah, I did that because you need to be shut
[23:58] Speaker 1: up sometimes. I don't know if any when in your
[24:00] Speaker 1: real life has ever shut you up, but in real
[24:03] Speaker 1: life somebody probably should tell you to pipe down every
[24:06] Speaker 1: once in a while. So the question that I asked
[24:08] Speaker 1: you was, if, in fact God told you to put
[24:11] Speaker 1: a sword to a baby, would it be wrong to
[24:13] Speaker 1: disobey him?
[24:15] Speaker 5: Listen, I know what you're going to.
[24:17] Speaker 1: The No, I'm not. I'm not listening. I'm not listening
[24:21] Speaker 1: to your rant. What I'm doing is adding a two
[24:24] Speaker 1: to the dodge counter Dodge number two. If God told
[24:29] Speaker 1: you to put a sword to a baby, would it
[24:31] Speaker 1: be wrong to disobey him?
[24:34] Speaker 8: He's not going to say that, because babies love God.
[24:36] Speaker 1: Dodge number three. If God told you to be a
[24:40] Speaker 1: sword to a baby, would it be wrong to disobey him?
[24:47] Speaker 1: Dodge number four. If God told you put a sword
[24:51] Speaker 1: to the baby, would it be wrong to disobey God?
[24:55] Speaker 1: No one can hear you while you're crashing out in
[24:58] Speaker 1: the background of me talking to my MI ten times
[25:00] Speaker 1: louder than yours. My mic is ten times louder than yours.
[25:04] Speaker 1: You'll never be able to out talk me. So the
[25:07] Speaker 1: best thing you can do right now is answer the question? Listen, listen, listen,
[25:12] Speaker 1: Oh no, listen, listen, listen, Oh no, listen listen. So
[25:19] Speaker 1: we'll try this again. Dodge number four is already on
[25:21] Speaker 1: the board. The question was, if God is hypothetical, by
[25:25] Speaker 1: the way, if God told you to take a sword
[25:28] Speaker 1: to a baby, would it be wrong to disobey during
[25:34] Speaker 1: the time? Yes, oh no, no, right now? Right I
[25:39] Speaker 1: didn't say during the time, I said right now. You
[25:45] Speaker 1: muted yourself. I didn't even meet you this time, although
[25:48] Speaker 1: I have to admit I'm you sound much better on mute. Listen, sir,
[25:53] Speaker 1: Let me tell you I didn't ask you about back then.
[25:56] Speaker 1: I said, right now, if God told you right now
[25:58] Speaker 1: to take a sword to a baby, would it be
[26:00] Speaker 1: wrong to disobey? He'll never answer the question because he's
[26:03] Speaker 1: a coward. But we'll see what happens. I have no
[26:13] Speaker 1: idea why he made it in himself and turned the
[26:15] Speaker 1: camera off. To be fair, he looks better with the
[26:17] Speaker 1: camera off.
[26:19] Speaker 8: Just put something nonsense on me, man, planned Yeah.
[26:23] Speaker 1: Well, we're on dodge number five still yet I'm waiting
[26:26] Speaker 1: for an answer to the question, if God told you
[26:28] Speaker 1: right now to take a sword to a baby. Would
[26:31] Speaker 1: it be wrong to disobey God? And dodge number six?
[26:38] Speaker 1: If God told you right now? I didn't say during
[26:41] Speaker 1: that time I said, I said right now, Praise. I
[26:43] Speaker 1: don't know if you were listening. You clearly weren't. If
[26:46] Speaker 1: God told you today to take a sword to a baby,
[26:49] Speaker 1: would it be a sin to disobey him? We know
[26:55] Speaker 1: God because God? Dodge number seven. If God told you
[26:59] Speaker 1: to put his or to a baby today, would it
[27:01] Speaker 1: be wrong to disobey him? So I'm telling you right now.
[27:07] Speaker 1: Dodge number eight. Yeah, two more dodges and then you
[27:10] Speaker 1: get dropped. If God told you to put a sword
[27:13] Speaker 1: to a baby today, would it be wrong? Would it
[27:18] Speaker 1: be wrong? Would it be wrong to disobey? Dodge number nine?
[27:24] Speaker 1: If God told you to put a sword to a
[27:27] Speaker 1: baby today, in fact, tomorrow, yesterday, who cares? If God
[27:31] Speaker 1: told you to do it, do it, let's do it. No,
[27:34] Speaker 1: we're not going to do that. You're just gonna get
[27:36] Speaker 1: dropped because you can't answer a question because you're a coward.
[27:39] Speaker 1: And that's fine. We're used to people being cowards around here.
[27:43] Speaker 1: Oh well, well, he tried. I'll never understand why people
[27:48] Speaker 1: get on these live streams and they think they're going
[27:51] Speaker 1: to overtalk me. I have no idea why they think
[27:54] Speaker 1: that works. It's never worked, not for a single minute,
[27:59] Speaker 1: not for any I've been doing this for over two years.
[28:02] Speaker 1: Not a single guest that ever been able to mute
[28:05] Speaker 1: me and overdok me. Weird how that works? My conscience,
[28:08] Speaker 1: says my girlfriend in the Hospital's hard to hear that
[28:10] Speaker 1: she has lupus. Oh fuck, really hard to hear that,
[28:13] Speaker 1: and got sick. Really could use some good cooking while
[28:16] Speaker 1: sitting by her. Thank you for all your doing. Brother,
[28:19] Speaker 1: Peace well, peace to you conscious. Somebody to hear that
[28:21] Speaker 1: lupus is a motherfucker. My sister's got lupus, and I've
[28:24] Speaker 1: got a couple of friends with it as well. It's
[28:26] Speaker 1: certainly not easy. Definitely. The hearts of the deconstriction community
[28:31] Speaker 1: go out to you during this time period. Please let
[28:34] Speaker 1: us know if you need any assistance. And Deep Blue
[28:36] Speaker 1: says Happy Sunday, Hope you're doing well. Fuck, I'm doing
[28:39] Speaker 1: really well. Deep thanks for dropping by. And wamps does
[28:44] Speaker 1: keep hearing about your book. Yeah, I'm sorry Wampus is
[28:47] Speaker 1: not there yet. I'm working on it. Can't wait. Will
[28:50] Speaker 1: you please advance reader copies before publishing, so I will
[28:54] Speaker 1: have I don't know what I'm gonna do for for
[29:01] Speaker 1: copies prior to publishing. If I'm going to have a
[29:03] Speaker 1: couple self published ahead of time so I can shop
[29:06] Speaker 1: it around or what. Still working on that, but I
[29:08] Speaker 1: will at some point be giving out signed copies and
[29:11] Speaker 1: jam thank you for the two hour super Thanks, I
[29:13] Speaker 1: appreciate that. Reverend Nate, good to see you tonight. Thank
[29:16] Speaker 1: you for the super test, says can we get a
[29:18] Speaker 1: show me Jesus coming with the Angels counter up? To
[29:21] Speaker 1: start the episode, Vegas put the over at plus seven,
[29:28] Speaker 1: so I put twenty bucks on that. Vegas usually knows best,
[29:33] Speaker 1: not always, but quite often it does quite often. And
[29:40] Speaker 1: gp it says Andrew Wilson would never debate the words
[29:43] Speaker 1: of the Bible. No, he wouldn't. You're right, just personal
[29:46] Speaker 1: attacks and keep focus on the opponent via slimy footbro tactics.
[29:49] Speaker 1: So here's here's where Andrew Wilson performs really well. He
[29:53] Speaker 1: has no real arguments for his position, by the way,
[29:57] Speaker 1: typically not so he does the presup tactic, where rather
[30:02] Speaker 1: than proving his argument to be true, he just attacks
[30:06] Speaker 1: your position endlessly and the pretends like if he found
[30:09] Speaker 1: a flaw in your worldview or in your argument, he
[30:12] Speaker 1: just then pretends like his viewpoint is right by default.
[30:15] Speaker 1: But that's no how that works. Fact, in a debate,
[30:18] Speaker 1: both debaters could fucking be wrong sometimes, but I've never
[30:23] Speaker 1: seen him defend any of his claims. Yoda, Saint Cloud,
[30:26] Speaker 1: thank you for the ten that was supertest is what
[30:28] Speaker 1: is the apologetic to get around the passage about being
[30:30] Speaker 1: good to foreigners and treating them as if they were
[30:33] Speaker 1: native born rock hard for Doug Hope. Everyone is doing well,
[30:36] Speaker 1: especially my fellow whores. Well, Yoda, I assume this is
[30:40] Speaker 1: in regards to slavery, which is wild that the last
[30:43] Speaker 1: guest was bagging me to bring up slavery. But the
[30:46] Speaker 1: reason why people say this is they would say, well,
[30:50] Speaker 1: if you have to be good to foreigners, that means
[30:51] Speaker 1: you couldn't enslave them. But that's not true. It's it's
[30:55] Speaker 1: implied when we see the word foreigner that is referring
[30:59] Speaker 1: to a free so journal, a free person that is
[31:03] Speaker 1: so journeying in your land. This is quite different status.
[31:08] Speaker 1: It's a different status group. Most of the ancient nearest
[31:11] Speaker 1: turn law codes have different laws for people of different
[31:15] Speaker 1: social statuses. In fact, one of the most clear on
[31:18] Speaker 1: this are the old hit Tite law codes. Read the
[31:21] Speaker 1: old hit Tite law codes and you'll find really strict
[31:25] Speaker 1: differences between the laws that apply to slaves, to free people,
[31:30] Speaker 1: to the common public, and then even to the nobles.
[31:34] Speaker 1: It's just a different set of laws for people in
[31:36] Speaker 1: different ranks of society. And daw And great to see
[31:40] Speaker 1: you tonight, my friend. Thank you for the supertest, says
[31:41] Speaker 1: It's nice to know I'm not the only one getting
[31:43] Speaker 1: the looney guests today. Bud rock Hard, Well, he was
[31:47] Speaker 1: certainly looney. If I know anything about these types of people,
[31:51] Speaker 1: he's probably been on five other live streams today. I'm
[31:55] Speaker 1: gonna grab two more super chats and we're gonna get
[31:57] Speaker 1: our next guest in here. Gretchen, thank you so much
[32:00] Speaker 1: for the six sixty six, says, Hey, Jy, I heard
[32:02] Speaker 1: a new first time argument last night on Carbon. I
[32:07] Speaker 1: love Carbon because there was a guy who swore Jesus
[32:11] Speaker 1: was born to Adam and Eve ever heard that one?
[32:15] Speaker 1: Holy shit? Well, I gotta tell you, Gretchen, that's not
[32:19] Speaker 1: one I've ever heard. So Jesus is what he was
[32:25] Speaker 1: four thousand years old. That's madness. I mean, I guess
[32:30] Speaker 1: you could just throw the infancy narratives out the window.
[32:33] Speaker 1: Then you wouldn't need those anymore. Jesus Pete's okay, all right, Yeah,
[32:38] Speaker 1: that's a new one. Gretchen and Oda, thank you for
[32:42] Speaker 1: the one hundred dollars super chap. Big w my friend,
[32:46] Speaker 1: let's get some w's in the chat for Oda says
[32:49] Speaker 1: just bought Ancient Nearest during text relating to the Old
[32:51] Speaker 1: Testament by James Pritchard. Have you read it any thoughts? Motherfucker?
[32:57] Speaker 1: Not only have I read it, I've got it right here.
[33:01] Speaker 1: I love this book. I talk about this book on
[33:04] Speaker 1: stream a lot. Yeah. Yeah, when you get done with this,
[33:09] Speaker 1: make sure, my friend, that you get the four volume
[33:12] Speaker 1: series The Context of Scriptures, edited by William Halo and
[33:16] Speaker 1: some of his friends. Amazing four set, four set collection.
[33:24] Speaker 1: I guess you would say four volume collection. It's it's
[33:27] Speaker 1: amazing it basically, I don't want to say it obsoletes
[33:32] Speaker 1: the a net, but we'll say it's it's the continuation
[33:35] Speaker 1: of the a NET series for sure. Okay, I'm gonna
[33:38] Speaker 1: grab Jordan and then we'll get Michael after we do Jordan.
[33:43] Speaker 1: Fuck we have Michael Jordan welcome in Jordan, and Ja
[33:49] Speaker 1: debates Jordan, are you at least eighteen? And do you
[33:51] Speaker 1: believe in God?
[33:53] Speaker 3: Yeah?
[33:55] Speaker 1: Dope? And which gond do you believe in.
[33:58] Speaker 2: Jesus? Sure?
[34:01] Speaker 1: And what do you think is the best evidence or
[34:04] Speaker 1: the best argument for Jesus being goden?
[34:09] Speaker 10: I think prayer has to be number one, Richard Pryor.
[34:14] Speaker 2: No.
[34:14] Speaker 10: Like, hypothetically, if you were to go into your room
[34:17] Speaker 10: for fifteen minutes, you mean like call prayer.
[34:21] Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, well, prayer largely goes unanswered. Like thousands of
[34:26] Speaker 1: studies have already proven this. How is prayer proof that
[34:29] Speaker 1: Jesus is gone? Well?
[34:32] Speaker 10: I did it and it worked.
[34:33] Speaker 7: Why don't you try to have congratulations?
[34:35] Speaker 1: I was a Christian for twenty years. I know it
[34:37] Speaker 1: doesn't work.
[34:39] Speaker 10: Well, why don't you do fifteen more minutes? It can't
[34:41] Speaker 10: hurt do.
[34:41] Speaker 11: It for sure?
[34:42] Speaker 1: Yeah? Because twenty years wasn't enough. I need more. I
[34:44] Speaker 1: need fifteen more minutes. Jordan, we've talked, just Jordan, we've
[34:49] Speaker 1: talked before, haven't We've been probably at least six months though, right, No, Yeah,
[34:55] Speaker 1: we talked over the summer. Yeah. Yeah, So prayer is
[35:00] Speaker 1: evidence of anything except that God doesn't exist. You want
[35:02] Speaker 1: to try again, Well, I think that's the best one.
[35:06] Speaker 10: Another one we could go over, is I really like
[35:08] Speaker 10: the mark of the Beast conversation? Oh boy, you know,
[35:10] Speaker 10: I think I could add a lot of insight to that.
[35:13] Speaker 1: I doubt you can. So the reality is, you'd have
[35:16] Speaker 1: to demonstrate that the Bible is true before you could
[35:19] Speaker 1: point to like the mark of the beasts in the
[35:22] Speaker 1: real world and claim that it's fulfilling what's in the Bible.
[35:25] Speaker 1: I mean, you're welcome to try. The reality is like, uh,
[35:29] Speaker 1: it's basically consent among Biblical scholars that the mark of
[35:32] Speaker 1: the Beast was a reference to Nero Caesar. So why
[35:37] Speaker 1: why in the world would I believe that it's about
[35:40] Speaker 1: I don't know, fucking barcodes or vaccines or microchips.
[35:47] Speaker 10: Yeah, it's a it's a fair question. Maybe this can
[35:50] Speaker 10: shed some light, Like, hypothetically, would you take a mark
[35:53] Speaker 10: in the in the future, just wonder if you're really
[35:55] Speaker 10: about that life?
[35:56] Speaker 1: Fuck, I'll take one tonight, Okay, Yeah, interesting, Why wouldn't I?
[36:05] Speaker 10: Because I feel like maybe there's an inkling, like a
[36:07] Speaker 10: small part of you inside that believes that it's coming.
[36:09] Speaker 1: No, because you're you're not a good mind rader, and
[36:12] Speaker 1: Christians aren't good at reading minds. So this is again,
[36:16] Speaker 1: that's not a good argument to me.
[36:19] Speaker 7: It's really obvious.
[36:20] Speaker 10: Like I live in Canada and I had to scan
[36:22] Speaker 10: a barcode proving I was uh injected right for about
[36:27] Speaker 10: a year, I couldn't enter a restaurant, it couldn't go
[36:30] Speaker 10: on a plane unless I scan.
[36:32] Speaker 1: Are you doing it right now? No? But it's kind
[36:35] Speaker 1: of oh so it went away. Oh interesting, okay.
[36:39] Speaker 10: Yeah, And then they have these like weird have you
[36:41] Speaker 10: ever heard of luciferies.
[36:44] Speaker 1: I don't even know what that is?
[36:45] Speaker 10: Though, it's a bio luminescent chemical that they're putting on
[36:50] Speaker 10: new vaccines in development, and like it glows so people
[36:53] Speaker 10: will be able to like scan you and if your
[36:56] Speaker 10: skin glows, they'll be able to see who's vaccinated anybody it. Yeah,
[37:02] Speaker 10: Like doesn't that make you suspend?
[37:04] Speaker 1: And now, Kushner, it makes me happy that people are
[37:07] Speaker 1: actually getting vaccinated. Now, to be fair, I'm not interested
[37:11] Speaker 1: in force vaccining people. I think we should persuade them.
[37:15] Speaker 1: I think we should definitely persuade them. Fuck even give
[37:18] Speaker 1: them incentives, give them monetary incentives. To take the vaccines.
[37:22] Speaker 1: But I'm not as as a person who loves freedom,
[37:25] Speaker 1: I'm not crazy about forcing people to take vaccines. But
[37:29] Speaker 1: it's lucif race and the Hey, I don't care what
[37:32] Speaker 1: you call it has nothing to do with the mark
[37:35] Speaker 1: of the beast. The mark of the beast is not
[37:36] Speaker 1: something in your veins. It's something that is on your
[37:39] Speaker 1: forehead or the back of your hand. And it's pretty
[37:43] Speaker 1: clear that it's not even a real mark. It's a
[37:45] Speaker 1: metaphorical reference because if you just keep reading the chapter,
[37:48] Speaker 1: in the next chapter it talks about how people are
[37:50] Speaker 1: marked on the forehead or the hand for the Lord.
[37:54] Speaker 10: Yeah, but the thing about these vaccines is that they
[37:57] Speaker 10: they're patches. They're not injections. There patches with like a
[38:01] Speaker 10: bunch of tiny needles, and no one cares dermal and
[38:04] Speaker 10: it can go, it can go right on your hand.
[38:06] Speaker 1: No one cares. Listen, everything you're going to say is
[38:11] Speaker 1: just is just a new iteration of the same bullshit.
[38:14] Speaker 1: First it was barcodes, and it was microchips, and it
[38:17] Speaker 1: was vaccines, and now it's patches. There's always a new
[38:21] Speaker 1: conspiracy theory about the mark of the beast, and none
[38:24] Speaker 1: of it's relevant because the mark of the beast is
[38:26] Speaker 1: a reference to Nero Kaiser. If you do the kamatria
[38:28] Speaker 1: on sixty sixty six, it comes out to Neuron Kaiser,
[38:31] Speaker 1: the Greek spelling of his name. If you read the
[38:33] Speaker 1: Latin manuscripts of the Book of Revelation, it says six' one,
[38:36] Speaker 1: six which ironically Means Nero, kaiser The latin spelling of his.
[38:41] Speaker 1: Name in, fact we have another addition that says six
[38:44] Speaker 1: oh six in The, greek which Means Gaius kaiser In
[38:47] Speaker 1: hebrew Ca, matria which would have been a reference To,
[38:49] Speaker 1: caligula Another roman emperor that was persecuting The. Christians so
[38:55] Speaker 1: the reality is everybody at the time period When revelation
[38:58] Speaker 1: was written understood this to be a reference to somebody
[39:00] Speaker 1: living in the first, century namely one of The roman.
[39:03] Speaker 1: Emperors and it was a failed. Prophecy he didn't come
[39:06] Speaker 1: back from, life he didn't revive himself from a mortal.
[39:09] Speaker 1: Wound there was no bowls of, wrath none of it came.
[39:12] Speaker 1: True revelations just one big failed. Prophecy.
[39:17] Speaker 10: Right, but and, hypothetically if in the, future if the
[39:20] Speaker 10: government requires you to take a mark to buy and
[39:24] Speaker 10: sell you'll take. It, yeah that's what you're telling. Me, yeah, okay,
[39:28] Speaker 10: interesting that's an interesting, perspective.
[39:32] Speaker 2: You.
[39:32] Speaker 10: KNOW i find it, like right now we have the
[39:34] Speaker 10: technology where they can just like you, know with cash,
[39:36] Speaker 10: lists it'd be easy to just cancel people's bank accounts.
[39:39] Speaker 1: All over the.
[39:39] Speaker 10: World like it talks about a global.
[39:41] Speaker 1: Kingdom they could have done this fifty years. Ago this
[39:44] Speaker 1: is not new, technology.
[39:46] Speaker 10: Right that's great that you said, that because have you
[39:48] Speaker 10: heard of?
[39:48] Speaker 1: Them we, would we, would we would just go back
[39:52] Speaker 1: to bartering it, literally image if anyone ever tried to
[39:57] Speaker 1: actually like invoke this whole you can't buy or sell?
[40:01] Speaker 1: Bullshit will you just go back to bartering and haggling
[40:03] Speaker 1: fractual real. Goods there's nothing you can do to stop,
[40:06] Speaker 1: commerce not a damn. Thing, well here's the thing that
[40:12] Speaker 1: you might, Say, george this is a waste of a.
[40:15] Speaker 1: Conversation none of, this not a single piece of, this
[40:18] Speaker 1: has anything to do with your High oh there there we.
[40:23] Speaker 1: Go The christian love comes. Out have you Read Clautions
[40:27] Speaker 1: chapter two and? Three i'm trying to help, you Bro
[40:31] Speaker 1: have you read Chapter have you Read calutions two and?
[40:35] Speaker 7: THREE i doubt he's read anything.
[40:38] Speaker 1: He's definitely not read the things.
[40:40] Speaker 10: Above, no That's classings.
[40:42] Speaker 1: Three to Read clausons three.
[40:44] Speaker 10: Twelve does it say reject The lord and spend your
[40:48] Speaker 10: life hating on?
[40:49] Speaker 1: Him as, that he, says clothe yourself with, compassion, kindness, humility,
[40:52] Speaker 1: meekness and. Patience what you are is a gaslighting piece
[40:57] Speaker 1: of shit that pretends to be, nice and you're not.
[40:59] Speaker 1: Nice last time we talked to, you you were a
[41:01] Speaker 1: piece of shit and you pretended to be nice the entire,
[41:04] Speaker 1: time AND i called. It about halfway through the. CONVERSATION
[41:07] Speaker 1: i could tell that you were being fake nice to,
[41:09] Speaker 1: me and THEN i got you riled. Up you, Said
[41:11] Speaker 1: i'm a waste of. TIME i got you riled up
[41:14] Speaker 1: last time we talked and you turned into a real
[41:15] Speaker 1: piece of, shit showing that you were fake nice to
[41:18] Speaker 1: me the entire. TIME i didn't say you were a
[41:21] Speaker 1: waste of. TIME i, said this conversation is a waste of.
[41:24] Speaker 1: Time the fact that you took it personally tells me
[41:27] Speaker 1: that you're a. Narcissist you're not just a piece of.
[41:30] Speaker 1: Shit you're a, narcissist which is why you think you're up.
[41:33] Speaker 1: Here you're the. Benefit you think you're up here for
[41:36] Speaker 1: the benefit and you're being fake, nice you're asking for fake,
[41:39] Speaker 1: forgiveness and you have no actual. Argument So i'm going
[41:43] Speaker 1: to move on and just be sure BEFORE i talked
[41:46] Speaker 1: to you last, TIME i saw the horrible shit you
[41:49] Speaker 1: said TO lg on her live. STREAM i saw the
[41:52] Speaker 1: homophobic bullshit that you said to her on her live,
[41:55] Speaker 1: Stream SO i don't owe you any. Politeness you're a
[41:57] Speaker 1: homophobic piece of. Shit what's, up, Age, ja how's it?
[42:04] Speaker 1: Going not too? Bad having a good? Time, Absolutely jordan
[42:12] Speaker 1: doesn't know it that we all know who he is
[42:14] Speaker 1: in this. Community like he he comes up on all
[42:16] Speaker 1: these atheists live, streams pretending to be, nice and then
[42:19] Speaker 1: eventually he commits and says the most horrific shit. Possible
[42:23] Speaker 1: you should have seen him when he was on LG's live.
[42:25] Speaker 1: Stream it was really.
[42:26] Speaker 9: BAD i saw him on a live stream the other
[42:31] Speaker 9: day say some crazy shit.
[42:33] Speaker 7: Too.
[42:34] Speaker 9: Yeah, YEAH i don't. KNOW i haven't had, HIM i
[42:38] Speaker 9: haven't had the.
[42:39] Speaker 1: Pleasure so, yeah you're not missing. Much ashley is asking
[42:44] Speaker 1: permission to. Block, yeah you can Block. Jordan he's a
[42:46] Speaker 1: waste of. Space he's never added, anything he's never contributed
[42:50] Speaker 1: positively to any. Conversation, ever he just comes up and
[42:54] Speaker 1: wants to talk about your personal, life as though that's
[42:57] Speaker 1: going to lead people To. Christ he thinks maybe because
[43:00] Speaker 1: it worked on, him it's gonna work on. Us but
[43:02] Speaker 1: that's not how that. Works Bible guy, official come in.
[43:05] Speaker 1: Again thank, you my. Friends it's nice to Know i'm
[43:07] Speaker 1: not the only one getting loony guest. TODAY i think
[43:09] Speaker 1: you double chatted that one on your regular channel and
[43:12] Speaker 1: one on your debate. Channel thank you for, that, BUDDY
[43:15] Speaker 1: i appreciate. That and Also actak, says does your streaming
[43:21] Speaker 1: set up SUPPORT vst? PLUGINS i don't even know what that.
[43:24] Speaker 1: Is if, yes you can do audio ducking on, guests
[43:28] Speaker 1: then you don't have to mute them as. Much, OH
[43:31] Speaker 1: i have no idea WHAT vst. IS i do have
[43:34] Speaker 1: a soundboard THAT i might be able to add like
[43:37] Speaker 1: A vst plug into and make it do audio. Ducking
[43:41] Speaker 1: if they come in on, YouTube i have a function
[43:44] Speaker 1: for their Volume mike has turned their volume. Down if
[43:46] Speaker 1: they come in on, TikTok i don't really have that.
[43:48] Speaker 1: Option so one of those, Things Andy pate, says just
[43:52] Speaker 1: happy to see PDNS. GFJ i don't know what any
[43:56] Speaker 1: of those things mean. Enjoyable do you know what what that?
[44:00] Speaker 1: MEANS i, Don't, andy thank you so much for the super.
[44:05] Speaker 1: CHAP i. Apologize i'm not a young and HIP i
[44:08] Speaker 1: don't know what any of those abbreviations. Mean but Doctor,
[44:11] Speaker 1: joe it's great to see, you says. You ask for an,
[44:13] Speaker 1: answer and he responded with dodgeball five step, method, DODGE, ductiv,
[44:17] Speaker 1: dive dodge and somehow dodge eight third. TIME i love.
[44:22] Speaker 1: That you know WHAT i should change the dodge counter
[44:26] Speaker 1: to say, dodge, dick, duck, dodge, duck, dip dive and.
[44:31] Speaker 1: Dodge that's what we. Need the dodge counter needs to be.
[44:33] Speaker 1: Adjusted that's what we need to, do all. Right that's
[44:35] Speaker 1: a good, Idea gates OF, Deliriu i'm thank you for
[44:38] Speaker 1: the twenty dollars. Superchat my friends is anti vaxxers are,
[44:40] Speaker 1: spoiled rotten dufices who are too privileged with modern medicine
[44:44] Speaker 1: not to remember people dying from diseases we basically. Eradicated.
[44:47] Speaker 1: DISGUSTING i, MEAN i agree for the most, part and,
[44:52] Speaker 1: LIKE i get that people want to protect their. Freedom
[44:54] Speaker 1: but at the same, time like, listen we eradicated these.
[44:57] Speaker 1: Diseases some of, these and we know that the vaccines are.
[44:59] Speaker 1: Safe to get the fucking vaccines, friends And cedar, SAYS
[45:03] Speaker 1: i found a barcode On. Doug WHEN i scanned, IT
[45:06] Speaker 1: i found out he was in fact. Priceless. Hmm that
[45:09] Speaker 1: is the. Case he can't put a pisce On. Doug you,
[45:11] Speaker 1: can't he. Can't, he's in fact he's the grounding of
[45:14] Speaker 1: all value an x million good to see. Again thinking
[45:17] Speaker 1: for The supertest says you may need to Hide pebble's
[45:20] Speaker 1: eyes when reading this, deal BUT i count myself an
[45:25] Speaker 1: acolyte of prophet justin in That i'm flagrantly promiscuous when
[45:29] Speaker 1: it comes To whorr's verse vert though Fen rock cards
[45:33] Speaker 1: Were doug and pacifically measure and that's. Right you, KNOW
[45:36] Speaker 1: i have to commit to one of the other. Friends
[45:38] Speaker 1: you can do both, streams you can switch both. Ways
[45:41] Speaker 1: doug loves it, here.
[45:43] Speaker 2: Not a.
[45:44] Speaker 1: Problem i'm gonna grab three more super chats and then
[45:46] Speaker 1: we're gonna Get michael in, here and then we'll Do
[45:48] Speaker 1: cody after. That sh, says can you briefly library On
[45:52] Speaker 1: judges twenty one virgins kidnapping and trafficking and the people
[45:56] Speaker 1: got to stand With god a whole. Afternoon, okay so
[45:59] Speaker 1: in oh hold, on hold.
[46:01] Speaker 12: On.
[46:03] Speaker 1: My camera just shut down.
[46:04] Speaker 7: Again let me see my.
[46:06] Speaker 1: Fans oh, fuck my cat's knocked my fan off of.
[46:08] Speaker 5: It, ah.
[46:12] Speaker 7: These.
[46:12] Speaker 1: Cats, actually WHEN i say these, cats WHAT i really
[46:16] Speaker 1: mean Is.
[46:17] Speaker 4: Volta oh boyd.
[46:23] Speaker 9: We have five, Cats SO i get.
[46:25] Speaker 4: It it is what it.
[46:28] Speaker 1: Is So volta is he's just a hell. Raiser volt
[46:33] Speaker 1: and he knocked the fan off of my, uh off
[46:36] Speaker 1: of my. Camera all, right we're back in. Action i'm
[46:39] Speaker 1: sorry about.
[46:40] Speaker 2: That so.
[46:42] Speaker 9: Each cat is uniquely.
[46:44] Speaker 1: Chaotic that's that is the Case volta, especially so sh
[46:50] Speaker 1: says On Jodge is twenty.
[46:52] Speaker 2: One.
[46:52] Speaker 1: Yeah so basically because they were, attacked, well the men Of,
[46:57] Speaker 1: gibbia The Gibbe knights basically attacked a household with concubine
[47:02] Speaker 1: and his leevite or her leevite In judges. Nineteen they
[47:08] Speaker 1: chop her up the, bit send her to all the
[47:10] Speaker 1: Other israelites and say we need to go avenge her death,
[47:12] Speaker 1: basically and then they go and avenge her death and they,
[47:16] Speaker 1: realize oh my. God or they, said, also we're not
[47:18] Speaker 1: going to let any of our daughters intermarry with this
[47:21] Speaker 1: tribe in. Anymore and then they, realize oh my, god
[47:25] Speaker 1: if we don't let our daughters intermarry with this, tribe
[47:27] Speaker 1: they'll all die. Out and they're, like how do we
[47:30] Speaker 1: prevent them from dying? Out so they go before The
[47:32] Speaker 1: lord and they're praying and they're seeking, guidance and the
[47:35] Speaker 1: plan that they come up with is, like, well, fuck,
[47:37] Speaker 1: listen what we'll do is at the at the, festival
[47:42] Speaker 1: when all the young virgin girls are out, dancing will
[47:45] Speaker 1: allow the men of this tribe to go and kidnap
[47:48] Speaker 1: them and carry them. Off and then we didn't actually
[47:51] Speaker 1: give our daughters in marriage to. Them they kidnapped them
[47:55] Speaker 1: and that was their. Solution and remember this all came
[47:58] Speaker 1: this epiphany came to them as they were In god's
[48:01] Speaker 1: presence seeking guidance from The, lord and this is the
[48:04] Speaker 1: Best god could come up. With they're, Like, god please
[48:06] Speaker 1: give us an, answer And god's, like Either god gave
[48:09] Speaker 1: them that answer Or god was, like fuck, it figured out,
[48:12] Speaker 1: yourselves you. Know all, right last super chat for now
[48:14] Speaker 1: from our Friend. Tom thank you so much time for
[48:16] Speaker 1: the twenty five Dollars. Superta it's great to see. Alive
[48:18] Speaker 1: justin just starting my three month. Vacation fuck, yeah or
[48:22] Speaker 1: Even france or something that's, wild, says looking forward to
[48:25] Speaker 1: seeing many live. Shows why Do christians only believe prayers
[48:28] Speaker 1: are answered when it's, positive never know when nothing. Happens
[48:32] Speaker 1: so if you ask A, christian what they'll typically say
[48:36] Speaker 1: is a no is an, answer. Right but the problem
[48:42] Speaker 1: is there's no distinction between a no and no. Answer.
[48:47] Speaker 1: Right so if there's no distinction between a no answer
[48:50] Speaker 1: and just no, answer then the reality is you're not getting.
[48:55] Speaker 1: Answers there's no reason to believe That god answer your
[48:58] Speaker 1: prayer if you got to know for. It but you,
[49:01] Speaker 1: know you, Know christians, are they're they're really deep in that.
[49:04] Speaker 1: Copium it, is it is what it. Is let's Bring
[49:09] Speaker 1: michael in here from the. YouTube if you're watching on,
[49:12] Speaker 1: TikTok you can hit the guest request and get into the.
[49:14] Speaker 1: Conversation back to. TikTok q is really short. Tonight in,
[49:18] Speaker 1: fact the TikTok stream is really small. Tonight It's. Sunday
[49:21] Speaker 1: i'm surprised usually TikTok is popping On sunday. Nights but
[49:24] Speaker 1: if you're watching on, TikTok you can hit that guest.
[49:26] Speaker 1: Request love to hear from. You if you're watching on,
[49:28] Speaker 1: YouTube there's a link on the screen tiny DOT cc
[49:31] Speaker 1: four slash the the. Guest there's a clickable version of
[49:35] Speaker 1: that link in the description of the video if you
[49:37] Speaker 1: don't want to type it in and you'll get IN
[49:39] Speaker 1: q which actually now the queue is pretty short because
[49:42] Speaker 1: it's the beginning of the. STREAM a lot of people
[49:44] Speaker 1: wait till like mid stream to guest, up and THEN
[49:46] Speaker 1: i always end up at the end of the stream
[49:49] Speaker 1: with like twenty people IN q THAT i can't talk.
[49:51] Speaker 1: To so if you want to, talk you want to
[49:53] Speaker 1: get in while the stream is still. Young michael wilcome.
[49:56] Speaker 1: In are you at least? Eighteen and do you believe In? GOD?
[49:59] Speaker 11: I i am, eighteen BUT i don't believe In.
[50:02] Speaker 1: God Ok sorr an.
[50:04] Speaker 5: ATHEIST i am an.
[50:07] Speaker 11: ATHEIST i prefer to call myself, agnostic BUT i know
[50:11] Speaker 11: that those two terms are kind of, synonymous can.
[50:15] Speaker 1: Be so do you do you lack of belief in
[50:18] Speaker 1: a god or do.
[50:19] Speaker 2: You believe in Any?
[50:21] Speaker 11: YEAH i don't, know BUT i lean, towards of, course
[50:26] Speaker 11: not believing in A, god BECAUSE i want to believe
[50:28] Speaker 11: as many true things as possible and as little false
[50:31] Speaker 11: things as.
[50:32] Speaker 5: Possible BUT i.
[50:34] Speaker 11: DO i do have a question for, You and forgive,
[50:37] Speaker 11: Me i'm extremely nervous BECAUSE i watch your show all
[50:40] Speaker 11: the time and and actually talking to you is like
[50:43] Speaker 11: talking to somebody above me.
[50:45] Speaker 1: Here but, ANYWAYS i assure You i'm.
[50:47] Speaker 11: Not so my question to you is that SO i
[50:53] Speaker 11: do talk To and it is a lonely road being
[50:57] Speaker 11: an atheist with my family and everyone around. Me BUT
[51:01] Speaker 11: i do talk a lot about religion or debate religion
[51:06] Speaker 11: with my, family with my, Friends AND i was just
[51:10] Speaker 11: wondering what your take is on utilizing god like language
[51:17] Speaker 11: to describe the universe and things of.
[51:21] Speaker 1: That nature with.
[51:23] Speaker 11: People who are of, faith to try and kind of
[51:27] Speaker 11: coherse them into enjoying conversations about, facts BECAUSE i noticed
[51:34] Speaker 11: that they don't like to engage in, facts or they're,
[51:37] Speaker 11: boring or they want to believe conspiracies and things of that.
[51:41] Speaker 11: Nature so as an, Example i'll, say when they ask
[51:44] Speaker 11: me DO i believe in A? GOD i will say something, like,
[51:48] Speaker 11: WELL i.
[51:49] Speaker 5: Only believe in true.
[51:50] Speaker 11: Things so whatever was whatever resulted the universe to be
[52:00] Speaker 11: or whatever the core function of the universe, is what
[52:03] Speaker 11: are the forces? ARE i would consider that to Be.
[52:06] Speaker 11: God and it doesn't take away the majesty or the
[52:09] Speaker 11: awe of understanding it. All But i'll use language like
[52:13] Speaker 11: that to try and keep them in the.
[52:16] Speaker 1: CONVERSATION i, MEAN i guess it beens what your goal.
[52:19] Speaker 1: Is is your goal to keep your family your, family
[52:22] Speaker 1: then yeah you can do that kind of. Stuff is
[52:24] Speaker 1: your goal to persuade them against their already held opinions In,
[52:30] Speaker 1: god that's not going to do anything for. That if
[52:33] Speaker 1: your goal is to maintain your relationship with, them then,
[52:36] Speaker 1: yeah you can meet them halfway and use Some god.
[52:39] Speaker 1: Language in, FACT i do that sometimes myself Where i'm
[52:42] Speaker 1: having conversation with relative and, LISTEN i don't want to
[52:44] Speaker 1: fuck up their life and force them not to believe In.
[52:46] Speaker 1: God i'm not out here trying to convince everybody to
[52:50] Speaker 1: be an atheist at. ALL i think it's. True the
[52:53] Speaker 1: reality is LIKE i treat my family like, family And
[52:57] Speaker 1: i'm not going to people's doors and knock an autumn
[53:00] Speaker 1: and telling them That god isn't. Real so unless your
[53:03] Speaker 1: family is inviting you to have a conversation on whether
[53:06] Speaker 1: or Not god is, real LIKE i wouldn't go out
[53:08] Speaker 1: of my way to convince them That god isn't. REAL
[53:11] Speaker 1: i mean when they're ready for that, conversation you'll know.
[53:16] Speaker 11: Right, well the issue is that because So i'm an
[53:19] Speaker 11: astro photographer just as a hobby of. Mine So god
[53:24] Speaker 11: conversation comes up a lot with family and with, friends
[53:29] Speaker 11: especially When i'm talking about evolution or whatever the case may.
[53:31] Speaker 11: Be they automatically will switch the topic to being, like,
[53:37] Speaker 11: well you, KNOW i don't believe that that's, true But
[53:40] Speaker 11: god is. True and it ends up on this whole
[53:44] Speaker 11: road of, saying, well.
[53:45] Speaker 3: Why do you?
[53:46] Speaker 11: Believe how do you know what you believe is? True
[53:50] Speaker 11: but in order for me to hold them into the,
[53:52] Speaker 11: conversation it feels like they're more adept at listening to
[53:59] Speaker 11: WHAT i have to. Say IF i use colorful. Language
[54:03] Speaker 11: it doesn't necessarily have to Be god like, language but colorful.
[54:06] Speaker 1: Language, Yeah, well you gotta do what you gotta. DO i,
[54:11] Speaker 1: MEAN i can't tell you how to converse with your.
[54:14] Speaker 1: FAMILY i don't know your, family, Right so that's that's
[54:16] Speaker 1: one of the things you'll have to feel it. OUT
[54:18] Speaker 1: i can tell you that in my, family we don't
[54:21] Speaker 1: we don't debate this. Stuff we. Don't we. Don't this
[54:23] Speaker 1: is not something we argue, about, Right So i've never
[54:26] Speaker 1: been pulled into a situation WHERE i had to defend
[54:30] Speaker 1: my lack of belief in a, god or WHEN i
[54:32] Speaker 1: was A, christian to defend my belief in a. GOD
[54:34] Speaker 1: i think if you have good relationship with your, family
[54:36] Speaker 1: they Don't they don't give a fuck if you believe or.
[54:38] Speaker 1: Disbelieve they just love you one way or. Another and
[54:41] Speaker 1: so if your, family if you don't have that type
[54:43] Speaker 1: of a, family if they're critical of you being an,
[54:45] Speaker 1: atheist Then i'd, say, well make them actually defend their.
[54:49] Speaker 1: Faith you. Don't you don't owe them. ANYTHING i, mean
[54:52] Speaker 1: you don't owe them the courtesy of not destroying their.
[54:55] Speaker 1: Worldview that's, Butten, michael appreciate the. Question we got to
[54:59] Speaker 1: get and everyone's here to watch, debate so good to
[55:02] Speaker 1: hear from. You on you as, Well bye bye, FRIENDS
[55:08] Speaker 1: i love, You thank you for watching the. Channel please
[55:11] Speaker 1: don't request up unless your opposition those are kind of
[55:13] Speaker 1: the boundaries of the live. STREAM i love you for
[55:17] Speaker 1: wanting to converse with, me but no one's here for
[55:20] Speaker 1: a circle. Jerk everybody wants to see a. Debate that's
[55:24] Speaker 1: that's what we're here. For but it is what it.
[55:28] Speaker 9: Is if you have, questions joined the deconstruction junction, discord
[55:33] Speaker 9: and you can always message just in there.
[55:37] Speaker 1: Absolutely how, seventy thank you for the, supertest Says tie
[55:41] Speaker 1: for The howadays we are all pebbles Of doug And
[55:43] Speaker 1: charin love your. Work justin, well thank, you. HOUSE i appreciate.
[55:46] Speaker 1: That and indeed we are all. PEBBLES i like. That
[55:49] Speaker 1: we need A t shirt that says we are all.
[55:50] Speaker 1: Pebbles And cedar says the true schism isn't between whores and,
[55:54] Speaker 1: verse but rather the audio listeners who separate along the
[55:57] Speaker 1: lines of moto and. Stereo are you? Serious this is
[56:00] Speaker 1: the new, schism theeo verse. Mono. FUCK i never Imagined
[56:05] Speaker 1: we've now got three. Schisms the real schism Is dalton
[56:09] Speaker 1: or duncan ham in thank you for the ten that
[56:11] Speaker 1: our Super chit says in The hideth of Al bakari
[56:14] Speaker 1: twenty nine that the majority Of hell dwellers are. Women crazy.
[56:18] Speaker 1: STUFF i don't know about that. One how does that
[56:21] Speaker 1: make sense if men do most of the? Crimes Do
[56:23] Speaker 1: muslims have the? Answer, well the problem that you're gonna
[56:28] Speaker 1: run up with is that most of the people in
[56:30] Speaker 1: The quran that end up In hell do so because they're.
[56:33] Speaker 1: Unbelievers in, fact like every other page of The quran
[56:38] Speaker 1: talks about how the unbelievers are going to. Hell, literally
[56:41] Speaker 1: just open The qoran on any, page just pick one
[56:45] Speaker 1: and you'll find a mention of unbelievers being in. Hell
[56:48] Speaker 1: it's just it's so, repetitive it's becoming. Comical i'm in
[56:52] Speaker 1: the fourth chapter. Now they're in, chapters not. Books i'm
[56:56] Speaker 1: in the fourth chapter, now And I've i've run out
[56:59] Speaker 1: of tabs. TWICE i, said every time it mentions, Hell
[57:02] Speaker 1: i'm gonna put a red tab on the. Page i've
[57:04] Speaker 1: run out of red tabs. Twice. Now almost every page
[57:07] Speaker 1: in My kuran so far has a red tab on.
[57:09] Speaker 1: It that's all they talk.
[57:10] Speaker 5: About that is all they talk.
[57:13] Speaker 1: About this is one of the.
[57:15] Speaker 9: Things it's.
[57:16] Speaker 1: Wild all, right let's get let's Get. WILL i Am
[57:22] Speaker 1: Jason joseph in, Here.
[57:25] Speaker 2: Welcome?
[57:25] Speaker 1: In is your Name jason Or? Joseph?
[57:29] Speaker 2: AH i go By Will?
[57:30] Speaker 1: Will, so Who's?
[57:33] Speaker 2: Jason that's my middle?
[57:35] Speaker 1: Name And joseph your not last? Name so, Well Jason.
[57:42] Speaker 7: Joseph Uh, no that's not my last.
[57:46] Speaker 2: Name that was just a, name like my my last
[57:49] Speaker 2: name is something that is like it sounds like A
[57:52] Speaker 2: hebrew like not. Working So i'm Like joseph Means god's
[57:56] Speaker 2: will Or god will. Give so, yeah that kind of.
[57:59] Speaker 1: THING i, mean not not, really but, Whatever so what
[58:03] Speaker 1: What god do you believe, In, Ah, Jesus and what
[58:08] Speaker 1: do you think is the best evidence or argument for
[58:10] Speaker 1: THE u for The Christian, god Namely jesus being?
[58:14] Speaker 2: Real, gotcha lots of different THINGS i could go, Into
[58:20] Speaker 2: i'm sure, of you. Know mainly for, ME I i
[58:26] Speaker 2: came To jesus from like finding out they lie about
[58:28] Speaker 2: a lot of people through history to keep people away From,
[58:31] Speaker 2: jesus and LIKE Jfk diaries was what really opened my.
[58:36] Speaker 1: Eyes but, wait what what does have to do With
[58:41] Speaker 1: jesus being?
[58:41] Speaker 2: Real it started off like from Like kanye being A jesus,
[58:47] Speaker 2: follower WHICH i Hated kanye at the. TIME i thought
[58:50] Speaker 2: he was absolutely.
[58:51] Speaker 1: Nuts, Right So Kanye kanye proves That jesus Is? God
[58:56] Speaker 1: Now i'm.
[58:56] Speaker 2: LOST i wouldn't say that he proved that he Was
[58:59] Speaker 2: god by any, means but he was a. Follower he
[59:02] Speaker 2: claimed to be a follower Of. Jesus and SO i
[59:05] Speaker 2: was like a new ager at the, time and so
[59:09] Speaker 2: Uh Billy, carson one of my favorite guys having to
[59:13] Speaker 2: do with The emerald tablets to talk BEFORE i came To,
[59:15] Speaker 2: jesus said something about how they're trying to sound.
[59:18] Speaker 1: Buddy you went From Billy carson To. Christianity this is
[59:21] Speaker 1: going to be a rough rideing it.
[59:24] Speaker 2: Was it was very, rough and BECAUSE i was writing
[59:27] Speaker 2: a book on things done for thousands of years people
[59:29] Speaker 2: are still doing today pseudo biopsycho social parapharma, theology like
[59:33] Speaker 2: under the.
[59:33] Speaker 1: Premise so let me, Uh i'll try to streamline.
[59:39] Speaker 3: This.
[59:39] Speaker 1: Right IF i said The Christian god is real because OF,
[59:43] Speaker 1: x what IS?
[59:44] Speaker 2: X i mean it's the, death burialed. Resurrection The bible is.
[59:49] Speaker 1: Reliable, Okay so you think The bible is? Reliable what percentage?
[59:53] Speaker 1: Reliable like mostly, reliable sometimes, reliable.
[1:00:00] Speaker 2: One reliable for the. Believer as an, unbeliever you're gonna
[1:00:04] Speaker 2: definitely find some, issues no, doubt just LIKE i did
[1:00:09] Speaker 2: BEFORE i came To jesus about three years.
[1:00:11] Speaker 1: Ago all, Right so does The bible say things that
[1:00:14] Speaker 1: are true all the time or sometimes does it say
[1:00:16] Speaker 1: things that are?
[1:00:16] Speaker 2: Untrue, well it's like you go to The old if you,
[1:00:20] Speaker 2: know The Old testament will have things like that site
[1:00:23] Speaker 2: is still there, today like and you can see that
[1:00:26] Speaker 2: that is still, there like different monuments and. Stuff just
[1:00:30] Speaker 2: it it shows good from just from the surface as
[1:00:33] Speaker 2: a historical. Book and then you, know different promises and
[1:00:39] Speaker 2: stuff like when you're Following, jesus you you'll run across you,
[1:00:43] Speaker 2: know let that he answers prayers and stuff for.
[1:00:45] Speaker 1: Me he certainly does not answer prayer in, fact and
[1:00:48] Speaker 1: he tells you to pray for literally fucking anything In
[1:00:51] Speaker 1: mark chapter, sixteen pray for anything in my, Name i'll
[1:00:54] Speaker 1: do it for. You that certainly isn't the. Case how
[1:00:57] Speaker 1: many children are dying In Saint judah as we, speak.
[1:01:01] Speaker 2: Right, YEAH i can understand your point. DEFINITELY i, mean you,
[1:01:07] Speaker 2: Know i'm sure you've heard that it's relative to his.
[1:01:09] Speaker 2: Will and it's also then prayers.
[1:01:12] Speaker 1: Useless if you're just praying For jesus to do his,
[1:01:16] Speaker 1: will Then he's going to do his will whether you
[1:01:19] Speaker 1: pray or. Not what a useless.
[1:01:20] Speaker 2: Endeavor, well so if if If christianity is all about,
[1:01:25] Speaker 2: faith it's not so much. That AND i do believe That,
[1:01:29] Speaker 2: god you, know can uh you, know answer prayers according
[1:01:34] Speaker 2: to you know what you, pray but it's it's for
[1:01:36] Speaker 2: the sake of building up your own faith and helping
[1:01:38] Speaker 2: others to build up. There so it's like to.
[1:01:42] Speaker 1: Happen why wouldn't he just tell you. That why wouldn't
[1:01:45] Speaker 1: he just tell you that you're praying for your own well,
[1:01:47] Speaker 1: being not for the thing you're actually asking. For because
[1:01:50] Speaker 1: he he tells you to pray for things specifically give
[1:01:53] Speaker 1: us this day our daily. Bread that's in The Lord's.
[1:01:57] Speaker 1: Prayer he taught you to say, that yet three million
[1:02:00] Speaker 1: children right now are dying of.
[1:02:01] Speaker 9: Starvation and it also literally says that if you pray for,
[1:02:06] Speaker 9: something act as if it already, happened and it will
[1:02:08] Speaker 9: be given to. You so you are supposed to be
[1:02:11] Speaker 9: acting like the things you're praying for will come to place.
[1:02:17] Speaker 2: Right and and some of the things you, know when
[1:02:19] Speaker 2: you get prayer's, answer it's going to be, like, yeah
[1:02:22] Speaker 2: your faith was very high that it was going to,
[1:02:24] Speaker 2: happen and other things you, know because it says faith
[1:02:27] Speaker 2: is a little as mustard, seat which is taken out
[1:02:29] Speaker 2: of contact sometimes but but like so some you, know
[1:02:34] Speaker 2: Because god's power is perfected in, Weakness so sometimes you
[1:02:37] Speaker 2: won't even feel like you know something's going to, happen
[1:02:40] Speaker 2: and you pray just because you know of like the
[1:02:43] Speaker 2: faithfulness you know in the, past and then he'll still come.
[1:02:47] Speaker 1: Through, well he doesn't come, Through that's What I'm that's
[1:02:50] Speaker 1: What i'm. Saying will he does not come? Through right,
[1:02:53] Speaker 1: now this year there will be three million children that
[1:02:56] Speaker 1: die of. Starvation what percentage of those mothers and fathers
[1:03:01] Speaker 1: do you think are praying that their child will will
[1:03:04] Speaker 1: not starve to death that?
[1:03:05] Speaker 2: Year i'm not.
[1:03:07] Speaker 1: Sure pretty it's pretty, high which is, wild Because jesus
[1:03:15] Speaker 1: says In matthew. Six in, Fact i'll put it on the.
[1:03:17] Speaker 1: Board you don't have to take my word for. It
[1:03:19] Speaker 1: jesus says In matthew. Six one, second get my browser. Selected,
[1:03:26] Speaker 1: THEREFORE i tell you do not worry about your, life
[1:03:28] Speaker 1: what you will, eat or what you will, drink or
[1:03:30] Speaker 1: about your body or what you will. Wear it's not
[1:03:32] Speaker 1: life more than, food and the body more than. Clothing
[1:03:35] Speaker 1: look at the birds of the. Air they neither, sow nor,
[1:03:37] Speaker 1: reap nor gather into, Barns yet your Heavenly father feeds.
[1:03:40] Speaker 1: Them are you of not more value than? Them like,
[1:03:44] Speaker 1: listen he tells, You, hey don't even worry about what
[1:03:46] Speaker 1: you're gonna. Eat god will make sure you got food to?
[1:03:48] Speaker 1: Eat the fuck he. Does children are starving in masks
[1:03:52] Speaker 1: right now as we.
[1:03:53] Speaker 2: Speak, YEAH i don't you. KNOW i couldn't tell you
[1:03:57] Speaker 2: all the answers of like why that, happens even THOUGH i,
[1:04:00] Speaker 2: MEAN i know we're in a sinful world and things like,
[1:04:02] Speaker 2: THAT i could go.
[1:04:03] Speaker 1: There, well then why would he tell? You Did jesus
[1:04:06] Speaker 1: know we're in a simple? World? Absolutely then why did
[1:04:10] Speaker 1: he tell you to pray or did not even worry
[1:04:12] Speaker 1: about your? Food if he knew your prayer wasn't going
[1:04:14] Speaker 1: to be answered because we quote unquote live in a simple.
[1:04:17] Speaker 1: World why would he lie to you and tell you
[1:04:18] Speaker 1: to pray further or tell you to not even worry
[1:04:21] Speaker 1: about this good? Stuff god will give it to.
[1:04:22] Speaker 2: You, well, yeah it's just trusting In god day to
[1:04:26] Speaker 2: day and faith and you know he'll. Provide but he.
[1:04:30] Speaker 1: Doesn't will he. Doesn't there will be three million children
[1:04:35] Speaker 1: this year that die of. Starvation just repeating that he
[1:04:39] Speaker 1: provides is a. Lie every time you say.
[1:04:41] Speaker 2: It i'm, Like i've had prayers answered so obviously THAT
[1:04:46] Speaker 2: i know.
[1:04:46] Speaker 1: It that's adorable that you think you've had prayer. Answered
[1:04:49] Speaker 1: what about the three million children that are dying of.
[1:04:52] Speaker 2: STARVATION i don't.
[1:04:56] Speaker 1: Know Because god answered my prayer is not an answer
[1:05:01] Speaker 1: for why he doesn't answer all of the people's, prayers
[1:05:04] Speaker 1: especially for instances where he Says he'll take care of.
[1:05:07] Speaker 2: You, well if Us christians were actually doing what we
[1:05:11] Speaker 2: were called to do and you, know spread The, gospel
[1:05:13] Speaker 2: then it would probably be a little.
[1:05:15] Speaker 1: Better Did jesus know That christians wouldn't do it?
[1:05:20] Speaker 2: Naturally? Yes.
[1:05:21] Speaker 1: Okay do you think that In christian communities there aren't children?
[1:05:25] Speaker 2: Starving i'm sure that they still have some.
[1:05:30] Speaker 1: Issues, Yeah haiti is like ninety seven Percent. Christian do
[1:05:34] Speaker 1: you think there's starving children In? Haiti?
[1:05:38] Speaker 2: Probably of?
[1:05:39] Speaker 3: Course.
[1:05:40] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[1:05:40] Speaker 1: Yeah, SO i, mean it didn't really matter if you've
[1:05:42] Speaker 1: spread the gospel or. Not the spread of the gospel
[1:05:46] Speaker 1: is in no way the spread of The gospel is
[1:05:51] Speaker 1: in no way correlated to the starving children of the.
[1:05:54] Speaker 2: World, Okay SO i MEAN i can tell, you know
[1:06:01] Speaker 2: something that happened, recently like it wouldn't. Matter so it doesn't.
[1:06:08] Speaker 1: Matter it doesn't matter what prayer you Think god answered for.
[1:06:11] Speaker 1: You it'll never be enough to answer for Why he
[1:06:16] Speaker 1: doesn't answer prayer for, Everybody because he says that he.
[1:06:20] Speaker 1: Will he, says where two or more are gathered in my,
[1:06:23] Speaker 1: NAME i am, There he. Says ask for anything in my,
[1:06:26] Speaker 1: name and it'll be granted for. You he, says don't
[1:06:28] Speaker 1: even worry about what you, eat what you, drink although
[1:06:30] Speaker 1: he did instruct you to pray for your daily, bread
[1:06:33] Speaker 1: and then he doesn't give that shit to. You though
[1:06:35] Speaker 1: it doesn't matter to me if you think he answered your.
[1:06:37] Speaker 1: Prayer the vast majority of humanity is not getting their prayers.
[1:06:41] Speaker 1: Answered are you?
[1:06:43] Speaker 2: SPECIAL i wouldn't say. That i'm just an unworthy serving
[1:06:48] Speaker 2: doing his, Duty but, SURE i mean.
[1:06:51] Speaker 1: SO i, MEAN i think we've discovered one thing in
[1:06:55] Speaker 1: The bible that certainly isn't, true that when you pray
[1:06:58] Speaker 1: for your daily, bread it won't be given to, you
[1:07:01] Speaker 1: even Though jesus says that it will be given to.
[1:07:03] Speaker 1: You but what do you think? About have you Read jeremiah? Before?
[1:07:08] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[1:07:09] Speaker 1: Yeah In jeremiah, seven there's a very curious. Verse you
[1:07:13] Speaker 1: might have seen it. Before it, says, oh, WELL i
[1:07:22] Speaker 1: don't know Why jeremiah. SEVEN i didn't say, anything Yet
[1:07:26] Speaker 1: i'm putting the verse on the. Screen jeremiah seven twenty
[1:07:29] Speaker 1: two does referring to The. Israelites does for in the
[1:07:34] Speaker 1: day THAT i brought your ancestors out of the land Of,
[1:07:36] Speaker 1: EGYPT i did not speak to them or command them
[1:07:39] Speaker 1: concerning burnt offerings and. Sacrifices, what how could that be? True?
[1:07:50] Speaker 2: Well what's? That? Sorry, OKAY i had your burn offer,
[1:07:52] Speaker 2: said what's your point in?
[1:08:00] Speaker 1: This my point is it's a bald face. Lie, literally
[1:08:04] Speaker 1: the first thing they did within the twenty four hour
[1:08:08] Speaker 1: period that he brought them out Of, egypt he told
[1:08:11] Speaker 1: them about offerings and. Sacrifices in, fact that's the whole
[1:08:15] Speaker 1: the Whole passover celebration when they Left egypt is celebrated
[1:08:19] Speaker 1: using the sacrificial. LAMB i, Mean jeremiah the.
[1:08:24] Speaker 2: Goop so you take the Whole, bible AND i get
[1:08:28] Speaker 2: that BECAUSE i believe the Whole bible is essentially. True,
[1:08:31] Speaker 2: Yes but WHEN i part, true, well LIKE i believe, it,
[1:08:37] Speaker 2: yeah but like WHEN i first Accepted, JESUS i didn't
[1:08:40] Speaker 2: believe The.
[1:08:40] Speaker 1: Bible, well it can't be true because it's a false.
[1:08:44] Speaker 1: Statement the statement that in the day that he brought
[1:08:47] Speaker 1: the ancestors out Of, egypt he didn't speak to them
[1:08:49] Speaker 1: concerning offerings the sacrises is simply not the. Case x's
[1:08:53] Speaker 1: twelve very adequately describes the, time the day they, left
[1:08:58] Speaker 1: twenty four hour period they, left and the sacrifices that they.
[1:09:01] Speaker 2: Made my suggestion for these things that you see as an,
[1:09:06] Speaker 2: issue find things that you agree with and build up from.
[1:09:10] Speaker 1: There, No i've Already i've read all The. BIBLE i
[1:09:14] Speaker 1: don't need to find parts THAT i agree. With The
[1:09:16] Speaker 1: bible is just simply not true in many, cases like it.
[1:09:19] Speaker 1: Says first of, all it says things that aren't, true
[1:09:21] Speaker 1: which is the first. Problem like When jeremiah talks about
[1:09:24] Speaker 1: The exodus and says he didn't command them concerning, sacrifices
[1:09:28] Speaker 1: it's just a. Lie jeremiah either is lying or he's
[1:09:32] Speaker 1: never read The Hebrew, bible which or you, know he's
[1:09:35] Speaker 1: never Read, exodus which certainly could be the. Case that
[1:09:38] Speaker 1: certainly could be the case That jeremiah had never heard
[1:09:42] Speaker 1: about his own. History but that's weird because he's speaking For.
[1:09:46] Speaker 1: God if he's speaking For, God god should at least
[1:09:49] Speaker 1: know his own.
[1:09:49] Speaker 2: History, okay if that would be a, lie or you
[1:09:54] Speaker 2: can find some lives in The bible or many you,
[1:09:56] Speaker 2: know according to a, lie to your, accord you're understanding.
[1:10:00] Speaker 1: No according to the.
[1:10:01] Speaker 2: Words does that mean that you can't be saved based on?
[1:10:05] Speaker 1: What, oh it's irrelevant about. Salvation jesus would have to
[1:10:08] Speaker 1: be The messiah BEFORE i give a shit about getting saved.
[1:10:13] Speaker 2: Exactly so how's he.
[1:10:15] Speaker 1: Going to save me from anything if he's not even The?
[1:10:17] Speaker 2: Messiah, yeah if you don't believe in The gospel the, death,
[1:10:20] Speaker 2: burial and, resurrection yeah you. Wouldn't you wouldn't be able
[1:10:23] Speaker 2: to be saved according to.
[1:10:23] Speaker 1: That BUT i don't care to be saved BECAUSE i
[1:10:26] Speaker 1: don't believe he's The. Messiah why would anyone believe that
[1:10:30] Speaker 1: this skycarcass is The messiah when he didn't fulfill any
[1:10:33] Speaker 1: of The messianic.
[1:10:34] Speaker 13: Expectations, Well god graced me with salvation BEFORE i even
[1:10:38] Speaker 13: believed the Whole.
[1:10:39] Speaker 1: Bible, well no one. Cares we're not asking you about.
[1:10:41] Speaker 1: That i'm not asking about your personal. Journey i'm, saying
[1:10:44] Speaker 1: why WOULD i believe That jesus can save me when
[1:10:48] Speaker 1: he didn't even fulfill The messianic.
[1:10:51] Speaker 2: Prophecies, Yeah i've seen a few of your you, know,
[1:10:55] Speaker 2: deals like how how you'll look at prophecy as just
[1:10:58] Speaker 2: words for those people people at specific time which were
[1:11:02] Speaker 2: but they were also.
[1:11:03] Speaker 1: They Were, no they. Weren't they weren't dual. Meanings dual
[1:11:07] Speaker 1: meanings are copes dual. Meanings because dual meaning prophecies are.
[1:11:12] Speaker 1: USELESS i could make them about. Me i've got a
[1:11:15] Speaker 1: whole list of prophecies from The bible that are about,
[1:11:17] Speaker 1: me as long AS i get to ignore the original.
[1:11:19] Speaker 1: Context do you think that context? Matters? Will?
[1:11:23] Speaker 2: Absolutely?
[1:11:24] Speaker 1: Oh how come they don't matter for any Of jesus's.
[1:11:26] Speaker 13: Prophecies because the whole idea of the, prophecies of The messianic,
[1:11:34] Speaker 13: prophecies which some of the prophecies The jewish people you,
[1:11:38] Speaker 13: know would have understood As messianic, prophecies the true plan
[1:11:43] Speaker 13: Of god was.
[1:11:44] Speaker 2: Hidden and that's Why jesus was, like thank.
[1:11:46] Speaker 1: You why WOULD i believe? That? Will why WOULD i
[1:11:48] Speaker 1: believe That rather than fulfilling the, prophecies he actually hid
[1:11:52] Speaker 1: it from his own people and then made it a.
[1:11:56] Speaker 1: Secret and you you don't know it unless they give
[1:11:58] Speaker 1: you this secret, knowledge which is crazy because In, amos
[1:12:01] Speaker 1: what does he? Say In amos three SAYS i don't
[1:12:04] Speaker 1: do anything before revealing. It, yes, okay so it is
[1:12:10] Speaker 1: there's so there are no. Secrets in, fact he, says,
[1:12:16] Speaker 1: surely The Lord god does nothing without revealing his secrets
[1:12:21] Speaker 1: to his servants the. Prophets though he doesn't do, it
[1:12:25] Speaker 1: he reveals it through his. Prophets and they're not hidden.
[1:12:28] Speaker 1: Meanings they're they're not like this thing where you have
[1:12:31] Speaker 1: to go into the prophecy and, say, actually none of
[1:12:33] Speaker 1: these words mean what the words?
[1:12:35] Speaker 2: Mean they were absolutely like hidden in you.
[1:12:39] Speaker 1: Know they. Weren't, no they weren't, psalms aren't, Prophecies, no
[1:12:43] Speaker 1: they were.
[1:12:44] Speaker 2: NOT i mean you can believe that that's, like.
[1:12:47] Speaker 1: That's a that's a cope For jesus not actually fulfilling
[1:12:51] Speaker 1: a single. Prophecy let me ask you a question THAT
[1:12:53] Speaker 1: i think you already know the answer. To how many
[1:12:56] Speaker 1: prophecies Did jesus fulfill in the original con text in
[1:13:00] Speaker 1: which the prophecy was? Given how?
[1:13:01] Speaker 2: Many SO i wouldn't know the. NUMBER i know that
[1:13:07] Speaker 2: you know what they say is he fulfilled three hundred
[1:13:09] Speaker 2: plus but?
[1:13:10] Speaker 1: Zero understand if it filled zero prophecies in the original
[1:13:14] Speaker 1: context in which they were, given.
[1:13:17] Speaker 2: Well Like daniel, nine for, example is an amazing.
[1:13:19] Speaker 1: One Like daniel nine has nothing to do with With,
[1:13:22] Speaker 1: jesus that's for. Sure you sure this is where you
[1:13:24] Speaker 1: want to Go daniel.
[1:13:25] Speaker 2: Nine, well, yeah The Holy spirit just guided me all
[1:13:28] Speaker 2: this and it was.
[1:13:29] Speaker 1: Amazing LIKE i think The Holy spirit led you. Astray
[1:13:34] Speaker 1: so let's do some background On daniel, nine Since i'm
[1:13:38] Speaker 1: sure you've never read the entire. Chapter so in the
[1:13:41] Speaker 1: beginning of the chapter we learn That. Daniel to suppose
[1:13:45] Speaker 1: That daniel is reading what what's he?
[1:13:47] Speaker 2: READING i can't remember right off the.
[1:13:50] Speaker 1: Bat, see he's Reading. Jeremiah and why is he doing?
[1:13:56] Speaker 2: This, UH i don't know right off the. Bat i'm
[1:14:02] Speaker 2: just going to make my point about the prophecy that
[1:14:04] Speaker 2: was In.
[1:14:04] Speaker 1: Well i'm going to stop you because the context is.
[1:14:07] Speaker 1: Important so he's reading the prophecy Of jeremiah that must
[1:14:10] Speaker 1: be fulfilled for the time of the devastation Of, jerusalem
[1:14:14] Speaker 1: namely seventy. Years and he's, like, oh, Interesting we're supposed
[1:14:18] Speaker 1: to be devastated for seventy years and then we were
[1:14:20] Speaker 1: supposed to be completely. Restored what Gives, well he tells,
[1:14:25] Speaker 1: you if you just keep reading a little, bit he,
[1:14:27] Speaker 1: says All israel has transgressed your law and turned, aside
[1:14:30] Speaker 1: refusing to obey your. Voice so the curse and the
[1:14:32] Speaker 1: oath written in the law Of, moses the servant Of
[1:14:36] Speaker 1: god has been poured out upon us because we have
[1:14:39] Speaker 1: sinned against. You so that is In leviticus sixteen And
[1:14:43] Speaker 1: deuteronomy twenty, eight Where god, says AFTER i punish, you
[1:14:46] Speaker 1: if you don't turn back to, me THEN i will
[1:14:49] Speaker 1: inflict a punishment on you. Sevenfold i'll multiply Your i'll
[1:14:54] Speaker 1: multiply your punishments by. Seven so that's where we get
[1:14:58] Speaker 1: this whole idea of seventy times. Seven, Right so when
[1:15:03] Speaker 1: we hear this seventy times seven later on in the,
[1:15:05] Speaker 1: chapter what we're supposed to be asking ourselves is what
[1:15:10] Speaker 1: is this four hundred and ninety years? Representing and it's
[1:15:13] Speaker 1: representing the destruction Of, jerusalem is it?
[1:15:16] Speaker 2: Not so WHEN i WHEN i was reading about, it
[1:15:21] Speaker 2: AND i saw seven times seven and seven times sixty,
[1:15:24] Speaker 2: two basically indicating when The messiah will.
[1:15:26] Speaker 1: Come, well we're gonna answer my.
[1:15:28] Speaker 2: QUESTION i looked how many years were?
[1:15:31] Speaker 1: Between well are you going to answer my? QUESTION i
[1:15:33] Speaker 1: know you have a. Script it's not going to work,
[1:15:35] Speaker 1: Here so what's The so what's the answer to my?
[1:15:38] Speaker 2: Question you were asking if it had to do with
[1:15:43] Speaker 2: the destruction of the temple And.
[1:15:45] Speaker 1: I'm asking you what does the four hundred and ninety
[1:15:47] Speaker 1: years relate to according to the text so, Far.
[1:15:54] Speaker 2: I'm not sure that four hundred and ninety. YEARS i
[1:15:56] Speaker 2: know the seven times seven and seven times sixty two
[1:15:59] Speaker 2: had to do with when The messiah would.
[1:16:00] Speaker 1: Come it, Doesn't so it says that it isn't according
[1:16:05] Speaker 1: to the Prophet, jeremiah the time for the devastation Of.
[1:16:07] Speaker 1: Jerusalem so what he's saying is that our people are
[1:16:12] Speaker 1: going to be will, say punished for four hundred and ninety.
[1:16:16] Speaker 1: Years that's what he's. Saying it's not seventy years Like jeremiah,
[1:16:20] Speaker 1: said it's four hundred and ninety.
[1:16:23] Speaker 7: Years.
[1:16:23] Speaker 1: Now when did the punishment Of israel?
[1:16:26] Speaker 2: BEGIN i don't, know but if you look, up it.
[1:16:31] Speaker 1: Was about six oh FIVE, bce And jeremiah predicted in
[1:16:36] Speaker 1: six oh five that it would be seventy, years which
[1:16:38] Speaker 1: means the beginning of their devastation six oh. Five the
[1:16:43] Speaker 1: ending of their devastation isn't about one point, fifteen which
[1:16:47] Speaker 1: means you're you're nowhere close To jesus.
[1:16:52] Speaker 2: Uh you are seven times seven and seven times sixty
[1:16:55] Speaker 2: two equals four hundred and like eighty six or eighty three, years.
[1:16:59] Speaker 1: Which undred and Ninety so try this. Again so if
[1:17:03] Speaker 1: the time of their destruction is from six to soh,
[1:17:06] Speaker 1: five that's that's when their destruction. Began that's when their punishment.
[1:17:10] Speaker 1: Began what's four hundred and ninety? Years what's four hundred
[1:17:15] Speaker 1: and ninety years?
[1:17:15] Speaker 2: Later The Holy?
[1:17:17] Speaker 1: Spirit what's four hundred and ninety years later.
[1:17:22] Speaker 2: Is When jesus? Comes?
[1:17:23] Speaker 1: Right, no four hundred and ninety years is one FIFTEEN
[1:17:27] Speaker 1: b THE, e which means the four hundred and ninety
[1:17:31] Speaker 1: years needed to be over one hundred years Before jesus.
[1:17:35] Speaker 2: Came look up how many years Between daniel And. Jesus
[1:17:39] Speaker 2: it will be four hundred and eighty three years exactly seven.
[1:17:42] Speaker 1: Times, well that certainly isn't the. Case daniel theoretically. Lived
[1:17:47] Speaker 1: daniel theoretically lived way before the period you think he.
[1:17:51] Speaker 2: Lived and The Holy spirit put it up my heart
[1:17:54] Speaker 2: to look that.
[1:17:55] Speaker 1: Up The Holy spirit lied to, you, Then so when
[1:17:58] Speaker 1: Did daniel theoretically? Live it was?
[1:18:01] Speaker 2: Perfect when Did?
[1:18:02] Speaker 1: Daniel it certainly. Wasn't when Did daniel theoretically?
[1:18:06] Speaker 2: Live will it must have been about four hundred and NINETY.
[1:18:10] Speaker 1: Bc, no it. Wasn't when was he in exile In.
[1:18:14] Speaker 1: Babylon have you actually read all Of?
[1:18:15] Speaker 2: Daniel, Yes i've read the Whole.
[1:18:17] Speaker 1: Bible and when was he in exile In.
[1:18:21] Speaker 2: BABYLON i can't remember all the, story BUT i assume, so, right.
[1:18:26] Speaker 1: Buddy it's chapter? One, yeah, Okay so he was in
[1:18:31] Speaker 1: exile during The Babylonian, conquest probably ended up in exile
[1:18:35] Speaker 1: as early as six oh FIVE. Bce so that means
[1:18:40] Speaker 1: he lived six hundred years Before, jesus possibly five hundred
[1:18:44] Speaker 1: years Before, jesus depending on how you want to do your.
[1:18:47] Speaker 1: Math now at the, Beginning, so, well that wouldn't be
[1:18:51] Speaker 1: because that wouldn't be the case because he's already grown
[1:18:55] Speaker 1: when he writes chapter. Nine so he's writing in the
[1:18:59] Speaker 1: first year Of. Darius when is the first year Of?
[1:19:03] Speaker 1: Darius when is?
[1:19:04] Speaker 2: THAT i don't.
[1:19:05] Speaker 1: Know it's about five twenty, two, okay so what so
[1:19:11] Speaker 1: what's five twenty two subtract four ninety rough she it
[1:19:18] Speaker 1: would be for thirty. Two, yeah you're still three decades
[1:19:23] Speaker 1: off Of. Jesus so nothing about this chapter will ever
[1:19:26] Speaker 1: get you To jesus because this is four hundred and
[1:19:29] Speaker 1: ninety years of the destruction Of. Jerusalem and the other
[1:19:33] Speaker 1: problem is THAT i don't know What bible you're, reading
[1:19:35] Speaker 1: but you're reading the Wrong bible because it doesn't say The.
[1:19:38] Speaker 1: Messiah In chapter nine says seventy weeks are decreed for
[1:19:42] Speaker 1: your people in your holy city to finish the, transgression
[1:19:45] Speaker 1: to put an end to, sin to a tone for,
[1:19:47] Speaker 1: iniquity to bring in everlasting, righteousness to seal both vision and,
[1:19:50] Speaker 1: profit to anoint the most holy. Place to, know therefore and,
[1:19:54] Speaker 1: understand from the time that The word went out to
[1:19:56] Speaker 1: restore and to Rebuild jerusalem until the time of an anointed,
[1:19:59] Speaker 1: prince there shall be seven. Weeks so the first anointed
[1:20:04] Speaker 1: one comes after seven. Weeks, interesting it doesn't say The.
[1:20:08] Speaker 1: Messiah it says an anointed one or A. Messiah so
[1:20:12] Speaker 1: there's two messiahs in this. Passage the first one Is.
[1:20:15] Speaker 1: Onias the third Or. Joshua, Sorry joshua was a high
[1:20:19] Speaker 1: priest shortly after this theoretically was, written so in five twenty.
[1:20:24] Speaker 1: Two in five twenty two they hadn't quite started building
[1:20:27] Speaker 1: the temple. Yet they started rebuilding the temple at about
[1:20:29] Speaker 1: five twenty and about five sixteen the temple was finished
[1:20:33] Speaker 1: And joshua was the first high. Priest the next anointed
[1:20:37] Speaker 1: one is Clearly onias The, third who was killed during
[1:20:41] Speaker 1: The antiochus, crisis because after sixty two weeks an anointed
[1:20:45] Speaker 1: one shall be caught off and shall have, nothing and
[1:20:47] Speaker 1: the troops of the prince who is to come shall
[1:20:49] Speaker 1: destroy the city and the, sanctuary and its end will
[1:20:52] Speaker 1: come with a, flood and the end shall be. War
[1:20:54] Speaker 1: desecrations are. Decreed he shall make keep in mind you're
[1:20:58] Speaker 1: supposed to know who he. Is he shall make a
[1:21:01] Speaker 1: strong covenant with many for one, week and for half
[1:21:03] Speaker 1: a week he shall make, sacrifice an offering, cease and
[1:21:06] Speaker 1: in their place shall be a desolating sacrilege until the
[1:21:09] Speaker 1: decree end is poured out upon the. Desolator every last
[1:21:12] Speaker 1: word of chapter nine is about The antiochan, crisis When
[1:21:15] Speaker 1: antiochis went into the, city besieged the, city lit it on,
[1:21:19] Speaker 1: fire desecrated the, temple sacrificed a pig on the, altar
[1:21:23] Speaker 1: put a statue Of zeus in the, temple and then
[1:21:26] Speaker 1: made a covenant With. Jason after he Killed oneias the
[1:21:29] Speaker 1: third made a covenant With, jason his half, brother and
[1:21:33] Speaker 1: basically ceased all of The israelite sacrifices and offerings for
[1:21:37] Speaker 1: a period of three and a half years until they
[1:21:40] Speaker 1: revolted during The Maccabean revolt and restored the sacrifices in.
[1:21:44] Speaker 1: Offering this was written at the beginning or middle part
[1:21:48] Speaker 1: of The Maccabean, revolt just like it was pretending to be.
[1:21:51] Speaker 1: Prophecy this has nothing to do with anything From jesus' time.
[1:21:55] Speaker 1: Period this gets you nowhere close To jesus' time.
[1:21:58] Speaker 7: Period.
[1:22:02] Speaker 2: Hmmm, yeah.
[1:22:05] Speaker 1: It's not even a. Question this is this is just
[1:22:07] Speaker 1: a scholarly, consensus even like a rudimentary Study bible will
[1:22:11] Speaker 1: tell you. This in, Fact i'll Open daniel nine in
[1:22:15] Speaker 1: The New Oxford Annotated Study, bible And i'll i'll show
[1:22:20] Speaker 1: you what scholars what scholars will actually tell. You so
[1:22:26] Speaker 1: let's see here reference to the desolated sanctuary would have
[1:22:31] Speaker 1: been particularly meaningful to those living during The macabean. Revolt
[1:22:36] Speaker 1: that this is referring to the people living during The macabean.
[1:22:41] Speaker 1: Revolt that's what this is. About where do you? Go you're,
[1:22:54] Speaker 1: Right you're, right, eron he's not listening one.
[1:22:57] Speaker 2: SECOND i take The Holy spare.
[1:22:58] Speaker 9: GAME a phone?
[1:22:59] Speaker 7: Call who it?
[1:23:01] Speaker 2: Was, Sorry I'm i'm trying. Here, YEAH i was looking
[1:23:05] Speaker 2: up the strongest concordance in twenty, four which means the
[1:23:08] Speaker 2: most holy.
[1:23:09] Speaker 1: One you mean the strong's. Concordance, yeah the strongest concordance
[1:23:15] Speaker 1: isn't even a lexicon of The hebrew languorm stop using.
[1:23:18] Speaker 1: It so what you should be doing is using an
[1:23:22] Speaker 1: Actual hebrew.
[1:23:23] Speaker 7: Lexicon well that'd be, awesome but you know we.
[1:23:28] Speaker 1: Do, Okay so it's not The Holy, one it's The Holy. Place.
[1:23:35] Speaker 2: Yeah the anointed one will be killed appearing to accomplish.
[1:23:37] Speaker 1: Nothing, yeah that's a Nice the third the anointed? One,
[1:23:41] Speaker 1: yeah do you know that priests are?
[1:23:43] Speaker 2: Anointed, well, YEAH i get that the kings were annoying and.
[1:23:47] Speaker 1: Stuff, yeah priests and kings were all, anointed which means
[1:23:52] Speaker 1: there's two anointed ones in this. Chapter both of them are.
[1:23:55] Speaker 1: Priests one of them Is, joshua The High, priest and
[1:23:57] Speaker 1: one of them is one, third another high. Priest, nice
[1:24:00] Speaker 1: the third was. Killed they're in The antiopan.
[1:24:02] Speaker 2: Crisis, yeah it's four hundred and eighty three years was
[1:24:06] Speaker 2: The year's?
[1:24:07] Speaker 11: There?
[1:24:08] Speaker 2: Gotcha? Yeah good? Deal so what would be next?
[1:24:14] Speaker 7: Here what's up to?
[1:24:16] Speaker 1: You?
[1:24:18] Speaker 2: GOTCHA i MEAN i have prayers, answered And i'm not
[1:24:22] Speaker 2: anything special Like i'm SAYING i, prayed he gave a
[1:24:29] Speaker 2: Little jesus. Figure, yeah that's.
[1:24:31] Speaker 1: Adorable we already addressed. Prayers are you sure you want
[1:24:35] Speaker 1: to go back to?
[1:24:35] Speaker 2: Prayers, well, yeah and she comes in AND i used to.
[1:24:39] Speaker 1: Work, no that was a rhetorical. Question no you, Don't
[1:24:45] Speaker 1: so you don't want to go to, Prayers. William what
[1:24:47] Speaker 1: you want to do is go to an actual argument
[1:24:49] Speaker 1: that would result in Your god being. Real prayers will
[1:24:52] Speaker 1: never be an answer for, that for all the reasons
[1:24:55] Speaker 1: That i've already. Articulated though it. Doesn't it's adorable that
[1:24:59] Speaker 1: you Think god to prayer is somebody near to your.
[1:25:01] Speaker 1: Life it will never Make Jesus. Messiah it will never
[1:25:04] Speaker 1: make The bible, True it will never Make god.
[1:25:06] Speaker 2: REAL i have tons of. Testimonies it can't stop Themselfs
[1:25:12] Speaker 2: no one.
[1:25:13] Speaker 1: Cares no one cares about your. Testimony will you? Know
[1:25:16] Speaker 1: people and other religions have prayer testimonies, Too so your
[1:25:19] Speaker 1: testimony is useless, Here.
[1:25:21] Speaker 2: WILLIAM i imagine it's. Probably it's probably the. Case it seems,
[1:25:26] Speaker 2: like doesn't.
[1:25:26] Speaker 1: It, yeah do you have anything other than?
[1:25:28] Speaker 2: Testimony just start with what you agree on and Hopefully
[1:25:35] Speaker 2: god will reveal himself to you because the whole. EXPERIENCE
[1:25:37] Speaker 2: i just.
[1:25:38] Speaker 1: Want to reiterate the stuff you said before that didn't. Work,
[1:25:40] Speaker 1: yeah that's a, good good. Tactic do you have anything
[1:25:45] Speaker 1: to add that you haven't already?
[1:25:46] Speaker 2: Said so, Sure And luke to twenty four through thirty.
[1:25:54] Speaker 2: Two it has All jesus' ancestors and what went. BEFORE
[1:25:59] Speaker 2: i believe the Whole bible Was god's. Word god put
[1:26:03] Speaker 2: it on my heart to look up The hebrew meanings
[1:26:05] Speaker 2: of the names of the cities and the, people and
[1:26:07] Speaker 2: its additional wisdom and The Old testament for all the
[1:26:09] Speaker 2: stuff that most people will just skim.
[1:26:11] Speaker 1: On luke is written In.
[1:26:12] Speaker 2: Greek, William, yeah oh, right. Right but the but the
[1:26:16] Speaker 2: names of the ancestors Of jesus Were hebrew From Old.
[1:26:19] Speaker 7: Testament so most of rest of, them it's all of.
[1:26:24] Speaker 1: That ruth Is ruth is not a The hebrew, name
[1:26:29] Speaker 1: she's A.
[1:26:29] Speaker 2: Mobike, YEAH i don't Think ruth is In. Luke there
[1:26:33] Speaker 2: is his ancestors that might have Been. Matthew. Uh but
[1:26:36] Speaker 2: all of them are are attributes to What jesus. Represents From,
[1:26:39] Speaker 2: adam which means earth or, Man god created the earth or.
[1:26:42] Speaker 2: Man next one up is like.
[1:26:44] Speaker 1: Uh, certainly it's certainly not the. Case you're trying to
[1:26:48] Speaker 1: make a really dumb argument By Chuck missler.
[1:26:53] Speaker 2: Evil.
[1:26:53] Speaker 1: Spirits so the reason Why i'm interrupting you is because
[1:26:56] Speaker 1: it's a bad talking. Point but what you want to
[1:26:58] Speaker 1: do is go to this is chapter five where this,
[1:27:01] Speaker 1: originate this argument originates. From So Chuck missler popularized this
[1:27:07] Speaker 1: bad argument using this. List you're about to go in
[1:27:10] Speaker 1: the wrong. Order and it doesn't work, because as it turns,
[1:27:15] Speaker 1: Out Chuck missler didn't Know hebrew. Either he was a
[1:27:17] Speaker 1: goof and so most of These hebrew, names some of
[1:27:21] Speaker 1: them have have multiple, meanings some of them have unclear.
[1:27:24] Speaker 1: Meanings some of them he was some of them he
[1:27:28] Speaker 1: was just wrong on this Is this is not a
[1:27:31] Speaker 1: proof For jesus Being. God it's not a proof for
[1:27:33] Speaker 1: The bible being. True it's proof that somebody can go
[1:27:36] Speaker 1: into A, bible misuse A hebrew, lexicon and come up
[1:27:41] Speaker 1: with a really bad.
[1:27:42] Speaker 2: ARGUMENT i cast out all evil spirits In jesus, name, Hopefully.
[1:27:48] Speaker 1: Oh, yeah rebuke me in the name Of, Jesus Oh,
[1:27:51] Speaker 1: God i've been. Rebuked, hey what's the name lamech.
[1:27:54] Speaker 2: Mean, Limechamech Lamech.
[1:28:01] Speaker 1: I'll give you. Here we don't know.
[1:28:05] Speaker 2: Is, oh it means a strong.
[1:28:07] Speaker 1: Youth wrong, Again so the exact meaning of the name,
[1:28:13] Speaker 1: lamech we don't. Know if you if you look it
[1:28:17] Speaker 1: up in like an actual concordance or, lexicon you're going
[1:28:21] Speaker 1: to find lots of stuff like, uncertain uncertain the meaning
[1:28:25] Speaker 1: of the.
[1:28:25] Speaker 2: Name, yeah when WHEN i looked up all forty four,
[1:28:29] Speaker 2: uh you, know names under the hunch that they're all
[1:28:31] Speaker 2: attributes to What jesus, represents attributes.
[1:28:35] Speaker 1: Of What jesus.
[1:28:35] Speaker 2: Represents, Okay matthias gift Of, god he's he's a, listener
[1:28:40] Speaker 2: he's to, increase he's who Praise god is, gracious depends.
[1:28:44] Speaker 1: Not only does not only does nobody. Care it's also
[1:28:47] Speaker 1: irrelevant because most people had names that are consistent with
[1:28:51] Speaker 1: their religion. Already so if you read any ancient, nameless
[1:28:54] Speaker 1: what you'll find is most people have names that are
[1:28:57] Speaker 1: theophoric in, nature like My god is, mighty or you,
[1:29:01] Speaker 1: Know bale saves or that's why even in The Hebrew
[1:29:05] Speaker 1: bible we Find canaanite theophoric, names like in The book
[1:29:10] Speaker 1: Of judges we find theophoric names for The. Goddess, enough
[1:29:14] Speaker 1: the fact that people named their. Children giving theophoric names
[1:29:18] Speaker 1: is not an argument For god being. Real it's an
[1:29:20] Speaker 1: argument for like you not understanding how theophoric names, work.
[1:29:25] Speaker 2: But the beauty of the names of the city the.
[1:29:28] Speaker 1: People you don't actually have an argument. HERE i was
[1:29:32] Speaker 1: hoping you'd have an. Argument this is not one of.
[1:29:34] Speaker 1: Them you want to try a better.
[1:29:35] Speaker 2: One, well What i'm saying is So sodom And gomorrah
[1:29:40] Speaker 2: all negative cities and people that attributed To sodom And,
[1:29:43] Speaker 2: gomora and they have.
[1:29:44] Speaker 1: Negative literally no evidence whatsoever That Sonomon gomora ever. Existed in,
[1:29:49] Speaker 1: fact the meaning of those city names would suggest that they're.
[1:29:52] Speaker 2: Fictional in The Old, testament the people that led up
[1:29:57] Speaker 2: To sodom And, gomorrah their names are, negative meaning their
[1:30:00] Speaker 2: additional wisdom And.
[1:30:01] Speaker 1: God certainly that's certainly not the.
[1:30:03] Speaker 2: Case, yes it is one means forsaken for.
[1:30:07] Speaker 1: Example, no it certainly isn't the case that everybody in
[1:30:10] Speaker 1: the early chapters Of genesis have names that are negative Towards.
[1:30:14] Speaker 1: God that's not saying.
[1:30:16] Speaker 2: That don't don't twist my words.
[1:30:18] Speaker 1: For literally what you. Said you said their negative names.
[1:30:22] Speaker 2: That led up To sodom And. Gomorrah, Yes i'm not
[1:30:24] Speaker 2: talking about. Everybody, No i'm.
[1:30:26] Speaker 1: Name one, person name one person in sadogma other than.
[1:30:30] Speaker 2: LOT a lot means like, Hidden so that's not one of.
[1:30:35] Speaker 2: Them because he was?
[1:30:36] Speaker 1: Righteous so, wait he was righteous even after he offered
[1:30:41] Speaker 1: his virgin?
[1:30:42] Speaker 2: Daughters well, whatever whatever it, was it was.
[1:30:46] Speaker 1: Hidden do you think That's do you think that's righteous
[1:30:49] Speaker 1: to offer his virgin daughters to a mob.
[1:30:52] Speaker 2: Like egypt was? Tribulation do you think.
[1:30:55] Speaker 1: That it's righteous to offer your virgin daughters to a?
[1:30:58] Speaker 5: Mob?
[1:30:58] Speaker 7: William, no oh you.
[1:31:01] Speaker 1: Don't so he wasn't? Righteous Then.
[1:31:05] Speaker 2: I'm not saying that because we.
[1:31:07] Speaker 1: We'll try this, Again. William so WHAT i asked you
[1:31:09] Speaker 1: was was he righteous for offering his daughters as virgins
[1:31:14] Speaker 1: to the? Mobs you said, No.
[1:31:16] Speaker 2: But that doesn't off from salvation BECAUSE i.
[1:31:19] Speaker 1: DIDN'T i didn't say anything about, salvation will? You AND i, said? Righteous?
[1:31:24] Speaker 1: Righteous is is not nothing to do with? Salvation, WELL
[1:31:27] Speaker 1: i mean it kind of. Does righteous has to do
[1:31:30] Speaker 1: with your your, Standing like whether or not you you
[1:31:33] Speaker 1: as a character are upright.
[1:31:36] Speaker 2: Means right With god, Biblically well not, really but it
[1:31:40] Speaker 2: just means. Upright that's why they rescue a lot from
[1:31:43] Speaker 2: sodom and. Stuff so because he was, righteous so.
[1:31:47] Speaker 1: He certainly didn't behave like a righteous. Person he offered
[1:31:49] Speaker 1: his virgin daughters as bait to the, crowd and then
[1:31:53] Speaker 1: he slept with both of. Them we are what what
[1:31:57] Speaker 1: what Did lot do that was? Righteous name one one
[1:32:00] Speaker 1: single thing That lot did in The bible that was.
[1:32:02] Speaker 2: RIGHTEOUS i don't. Know i'm guessing believe uh The. God
[1:32:07] Speaker 2: believe In.
[1:32:07] Speaker 7: God that's.
[1:32:08] Speaker 1: It just believing That god was going to destroy the
[1:32:11] Speaker 1: city makes them.
[1:32:12] Speaker 2: Righteous it was all about faith in The Old. Testament
[1:32:15] Speaker 2: and then You.
[1:32:16] Speaker 1: I'm sure it was, okay, yeah.
[1:32:20] Speaker 2: Yeah so negative meanings of the names of the cities
[1:32:23] Speaker 2: and names of the people leading.
[1:32:25] Speaker 1: Out so again that's not the. Case that's not the.
[1:32:28] Speaker 2: Case but all Of, jesus where did where Did?
[1:32:33] Speaker 1: Yahweh where Did yahweh show up To?
[1:32:36] Speaker 2: Abraham he checked out my pen video that has all of, them.
[1:32:40] Speaker 1: But no one's doing. That where Did yahweh show up
[1:32:42] Speaker 1: To abraham In genesis?
[1:32:44] Speaker 2: Eighty do you Think i'm trying to do you Think
[1:32:46] Speaker 2: i'm trying to convince you?
[1:32:47] Speaker 1: Serious? No, no free, Clout. William my audience already knows
[1:32:50] Speaker 1: The bible better than. You you're not doing any help
[1:32:52] Speaker 1: here by trying to get free. Clout so where Did
[1:32:57] Speaker 1: abraham has his visitation With? Yahweh where was?
[1:33:00] Speaker 2: IT i can't? Remember SO i don't you?
[1:33:05] Speaker 1: Said but you just said all the city names are?
[1:33:08] Speaker 1: Negative what's? Negative where he? Lived you put it one
[1:33:14] Speaker 1: in the comments if you heard him say all the
[1:33:17] Speaker 1: people in city names leading up To sodom gomor are?
[1:33:19] Speaker 1: NEGATIVE i heard. It did you hear?
[1:33:22] Speaker 3: It?
[1:33:22] Speaker 1: Joyful did you hear?
[1:33:24] Speaker 2: It?
[1:33:26] Speaker 9: Chat, well lying is Against. Jesus don't?
[1:33:29] Speaker 3: Lie?
[1:33:29] Speaker 2: OKAY i said the names of the cities and the
[1:33:34] Speaker 2: names of the people leading up To Sodom, Gomorrah sodom
[1:33:37] Speaker 2: And gomorrah were. Negative that, again that's WHAT i just.
[1:33:41] Speaker 2: Said you, Said but not all the cities Before sodom
[1:33:45] Speaker 2: And gomorrah that were that were not?
[1:33:47] Speaker 6: Lead?
[1:33:48] Speaker 1: What what does what does leading up To sodom And
[1:33:50] Speaker 1: gomora even? Mean what do you mean by?
[1:33:52] Speaker 2: That?
[1:33:52] Speaker 1: Right it's like you don't even know what words, mean.
[1:33:56] Speaker 2: Like up to the destruction Of? Sodom?
[1:33:59] Speaker 1: Okay and where Did god announce That he's Destroying sodom And?
[1:34:04] Speaker 1: GOMORRAH i don't?
[1:34:06] Speaker 2: Know was It? Bethel it? Means howd? NO i don't
[1:34:11] Speaker 2: know right off the. Bat BUT i don't have to
[1:34:13] Speaker 2: know the Whole bible to be, saved or nor uh
[1:34:16] Speaker 2: to believe the Whole.
[1:34:17] Speaker 1: Bible for, example the endless preaching is. Wild i'll never
[1:34:23] Speaker 1: understand Why christians think that preaching is going to.
[1:34:25] Speaker 5: Work.
[1:34:25] Speaker 2: Here god's word doesn't come back, void SO i know
[1:34:29] Speaker 2: it certainly.
[1:34:29] Speaker 1: Does in, fact we've demonstrated that it does come back
[1:34:32] Speaker 1: void because he's allowing three million children to die every.
[1:34:37] Speaker 2: Year, Again i'm not trying to convince, you, Sir i'm
[1:34:41] Speaker 2: trying to convince.
[1:34:42] Speaker 1: People you're certainly not going to convince anybody in my.
[1:34:46] Speaker 1: Chat so, again where did yahweh announce in fact that
[1:34:51] Speaker 1: he's going to Destroy sodom gomor?
[1:34:53] Speaker 2: Aware go ahead and tell, ME i Don't i've.
[1:34:57] Speaker 1: Read it was at The oaks Of. Man what's The
[1:35:01] Speaker 1: hebrew word of meaning of. Memory i'll give you a.
[1:35:05] Speaker 1: Hint it's not.
[1:35:05] Speaker 2: Boobies, Okay oh what is?
[1:35:10] Speaker 1: IT i means strength or Vicor.
[1:35:15] Speaker 2: Yeah so you're, saying so is that?
[1:35:17] Speaker 1: Negative is that a negative city?
[1:35:19] Speaker 2: Name, Well, no anything happened to do With abraham is
[1:35:22] Speaker 2: going to be.
[1:35:23] Speaker 1: Positive there's nothing to do With, abraham he, announced To
[1:35:26] Speaker 1: abraham At mamory that he's Destroying sodom And. Gomora so
[1:35:31] Speaker 1: what city name one city leading up to The sodom
[1:35:34] Speaker 1: narrative that has a negative place, name name one.
[1:35:37] Speaker 2: From a place of, strength, right name. One i'd have
[1:35:42] Speaker 2: to look real. Quick one. SECOND i love.
[1:35:45] Speaker 1: It when they use arguments they have no.
[1:35:46] Speaker 2: Idea, yeah he seems to be like.
[1:35:53] Speaker 9: Very susceptible to just.
[1:35:55] Speaker 7: Bullshit, basically all.
[1:35:58] Speaker 9: He's done is ramble and there's been no like coherent
[1:36:01] Speaker 9: thought to this whole. Theory it's just random. Cities like
[1:36:07] Speaker 9: how he has no clear definition for what leading up
[1:36:11] Speaker 9: To sodom.
[1:36:12] Speaker 2: Means, Mhm Like damascus means heap of ruins for, Example.
[1:36:19] Speaker 1: Damascus that's. So, Yeah and where where CAN i Find
[1:36:26] Speaker 1: damascus in The sodom?
[1:36:27] Speaker 9: Narrative, Yeah LIKE i, said it's just random cities that
[1:36:39] Speaker 9: have negative.
[1:36:40] Speaker 2: Names it's in chapter.
[1:36:41] Speaker 1: Fourteen chapter fourteen has nothing to do with the destruction
[1:36:46] Speaker 1: Of Sodom. Gomorah this is When abraham battles with the
[1:36:51] Speaker 1: kings of The. Nepheleme damascus is literally on the opposite
[1:36:56] Speaker 1: side of the levant From Sodom. Gomora solomon more theoretically
[1:36:59] Speaker 1: or down by The Dead, sea nowhere Near. Damascus damascus
[1:37:03] Speaker 1: is not related to seldom, whatsoever, Right so it's crazy
[1:37:07] Speaker 1: that you want to Count damascus a random. City from chapter, fourteen,
[1:37:12] Speaker 1: which by the, way is another one of my favorite
[1:37:14] Speaker 1: anachronisms because it says in the same chapter That abraham
[1:37:18] Speaker 1: paced the men as far as the tribe Of. Dan
[1:37:23] Speaker 1: do you know where the? Tribe like when the tribe
[1:37:25] Speaker 1: Of dan became a?
[1:37:25] Speaker 2: Thing I'm, dan not right off the, bat, like, yeah.
[1:37:35] Speaker 1: Well i'll give you a. Hint it's a tribe of The.
[1:37:38] Speaker 1: Israelites where does he keep going like?
[1:37:47] Speaker 2: That like The i'm just checking like so like the
[1:37:49] Speaker 2: city Of, nod for, example.
[1:37:51] Speaker 1: We're not talking About, nod we're talking About verse fourteen
[1:37:54] Speaker 1: means this is fourteen, fourteen which says, negative, sir we're
[1:37:58] Speaker 1: not in that. Passage we're in. Fourteen. STILL i asked,
[1:38:01] Speaker 1: you when Did dan become a? TRIBE i don't. Know
[1:38:07] Speaker 1: after The israelites had settled the. Land in, fact it
[1:38:10] Speaker 1: was like in the mid part of their, settlement because
[1:38:12] Speaker 1: they initially tried to put the tribe Of dan down
[1:38:15] Speaker 1: by The philistines and it didn't, work so they moved
[1:38:17] Speaker 1: it all the way north right next To. Damascus and so,
[1:38:22] Speaker 1: no Certainly abraham did not chase the men he was
[1:38:26] Speaker 1: fighting with all the way up to where the tribe
[1:38:28] Speaker 1: Of dan, was because the tribe Of dan didn't exist
[1:38:31] Speaker 1: for at least another six hundred. Years but The bible's, True.
[1:38:40] Speaker 2: YEAH i MEAN i definitely did not, believe like at,
[1:38:44] Speaker 2: first that The bible's. TRUE i thought The Old Testament god.
[1:38:47] Speaker 1: Was, okay no one cares about your. PREACHING i could be.
[1:38:51] Speaker 1: Wrong maybe someone cares about your. PREACHING i don't care
[1:38:53] Speaker 1: about your life. STORY i don't care about your personal,
[1:38:56] Speaker 1: experience AND i don't care about your. PREACHING i want
[1:38:58] Speaker 1: to hear.
[1:38:58] Speaker 9: EVIDENCE i THINK i was on the brink of speaking
[1:39:01] Speaker 9: in tongues though he had me going there for a,
[1:39:03] Speaker 9: minute The Holy.
[1:39:04] Speaker 1: SPIRIT i don't blame. Me, yeah he was a.
[1:39:08] Speaker 2: Wreck i've got to, go but have a great.
[1:39:12] Speaker 3: Night.
[1:39:12] Speaker 1: Man love, You good to see, you. Buddy love you.
[1:39:14] Speaker 1: Guys make sure you're. Following ja debates when you're going live, Next.
[1:39:19] Speaker 9: I'll be live, tomorrow but you're live during that Time, Thursday,
[1:39:25] Speaker 9: okay check?
[1:39:26] Speaker 1: Out oh, yeah all, right sounds, Good love, you, BUDDY
[1:39:32] Speaker 1: wja Debates Falty, toad thank you for the twenty dollars super.
[1:39:36] Speaker 1: Chat my Friend HUGE w, says anytime you hear someone
[1:39:38] Speaker 1: defending prayer with it worked for, me, though ALL i
[1:39:42] Speaker 1: hear Is god gives to me and not to The
[1:39:44] Speaker 1: that's one hundred. Percent every time someone Says god is
[1:39:47] Speaker 1: real because he answered my. Prayer what they're saying Is i'm.
[1:39:51] Speaker 1: Special these children At Saint jude not. Special haitian children
[1:39:57] Speaker 1: diving with starvation not. Special african children dying of starvation
[1:40:02] Speaker 1: not special me THOUGH i am. Special, yoni thank you
[1:40:07] Speaker 1: for the twenty five hundred, ars Says hey Justin rockhard For.
[1:40:12] Speaker 1: Doug i'm a Former. Catholic, well congratulations for. Deconverting WHEN
[1:40:14] Speaker 1: i was a believer thought sin was a big issue for.
[1:40:17] Speaker 1: Me do you think that any of the callers have
[1:40:19] Speaker 1: problems admitting to the obvious because they think they're being
[1:40:22] Speaker 1: watched by the angry man? Above hmm maybe, So LIKE
[1:40:29] Speaker 1: i think there's a lot Of christians that struggle with
[1:40:31] Speaker 1: sin and they feel like it makes them feel. Dirty
[1:40:35] Speaker 1: they were told That i'm a horrible person BECAUSE i,
[1:40:37] Speaker 1: sin and then they have this feeling, like, well Because
[1:40:41] Speaker 1: i'm so, Horrible god couldn't love? Me so OBVIOUSLY i
[1:40:44] Speaker 1: need to be tortured for all of. Eternity and so,
[1:40:46] Speaker 1: they you, know they lump their feelings into this whole
[1:40:50] Speaker 1: dialogue about, why, well Why jesus has to die for your? Sins,
[1:40:53] Speaker 1: well because you Know god's. Pissed Bachel lord, Says christian,
[1:40:58] Speaker 1: music you're not Making christianity, Better you're making rock and roll.
[1:41:01] Speaker 1: Worse hankkill one hundred percent classic line From Hank. Hill
[1:41:06] Speaker 1: and to be, fair not Much christian music has ever
[1:41:10] Speaker 1: really contributed to the catalog of. MUSIC i mean maybe
[1:41:13] Speaker 1: the FUCK i don't know The hallelujah chorus is Something
[1:41:17] Speaker 1: i'll never get. Forgotten He ma, says was there really
[1:41:19] Speaker 1: an empty? Tomb what do most scholars think if it
[1:41:22] Speaker 1: was made?
[1:41:22] Speaker 4: Up?
[1:41:22] Speaker 3: Why?
[1:41:23] Speaker 1: So the reality is scholars don't have a consensus on
[1:41:26] Speaker 1: whether or not they Think jesus was even placed in a.
[1:41:28] Speaker 1: Tomb that's something that you would find a divide Like
[1:41:33] Speaker 1: christian adherent scholars would say. Maybe atheist scholars would obviously, say,
[1:41:38] Speaker 1: no we have no evidence that he was ever placed
[1:41:40] Speaker 1: in a, tomb much less that there was an empty.
[1:41:42] Speaker 1: Tomb we could make a case that he was placed
[1:41:45] Speaker 1: in a. Tomb certainly no case for an empty. ONE
[1:41:48] Speaker 1: a good, question, says imagine a. Maniac sure the end
[1:41:52] Speaker 1: is days. Away Then jesus's words make, sense avoid sending
[1:41:55] Speaker 1: by forgiving everyone being poor spreading the. Word got to
[1:41:59] Speaker 1: read and, again imagine a. Maniac, okay That's. Jesus sure
[1:42:03] Speaker 1: the end is days. Away, okay Then jesus's. Words, OH
[1:42:08] Speaker 1: i see what you're. Saying, Yeah So jesus's words makes
[1:42:11] Speaker 1: sense once you realize that it's a an apocalyptic death.
[1:42:13] Speaker 1: Cult and that was the. Case jesus's movement was an
[1:42:17] Speaker 1: apocalyptic end times death cult that. Failed luke, says it's
[1:42:22] Speaker 1: funny how many conspiracy Theorists god sends the people to worship.
[1:42:25] Speaker 1: HIM i, know, listen There's ben's. Studies there's a big
[1:42:30] Speaker 1: crossover between people who fall for conspiracy theories and people
[1:42:33] Speaker 1: who are in a. Religion And steve, says is it
[1:42:36] Speaker 1: true that the horizontal feed can't get it?
[1:42:38] Speaker 3: Up?
[1:42:38] Speaker 2: Oh?
[1:42:38] Speaker 1: Fuck AS i can say is that they're not as.
[1:42:42] Speaker 1: ERECT i would say. That And trent, says and The lord,
[1:42:46] Speaker 1: said justin you don't you don't believe because you can't see.
[1:42:49] Speaker 1: Me rock, hard rock hard For, Sharon, well thank you
[1:42:54] Speaker 1: for That, trent AND i mean THAT'S i, mean that's
[1:42:56] Speaker 1: part of, it, RIGHT i would Say i'm gonna grab
[1:42:59] Speaker 1: tumor superchatch does weak pathetic men Like Andrew wilson And
[1:43:02] Speaker 1: Jim bob all ever do is attack your. Position they
[1:43:05] Speaker 1: never defend theirs and yet still claim victory for fock's. Sake,
[1:43:08] Speaker 1: yes that's the. Case they'll claim victory having not defended
[1:43:12] Speaker 1: their argument at. All, ever And steven, says, Justin i've
[1:43:17] Speaker 1: been rock hard For doug for over four? Hours SHOULD
[1:43:20] Speaker 1: i see a? Doctor it's. Okay if you're rock hard
[1:43:22] Speaker 1: because you took by agra for over four, hours then
[1:43:25] Speaker 1: you should see a. Doctor but For, doug never continually rock.
[1:43:29] Speaker 1: Hard and last super chap from our Friend. Adam good
[1:43:31] Speaker 1: to see a. Friend this fave and least Fave thanksgiving.
[1:43:34] Speaker 1: Sides favorite might be. Stuffing least favorite might be the brown.
[1:43:40] Speaker 1: Gravy don't need. It not interested in brown gravy all that,
[1:43:43] Speaker 1: much Says kracking and doctor per The kracken and Doctor
[1:43:48] Speaker 1: pepper zero might mighty get frisky and throw it in
[1:43:52] Speaker 1: some root.
[1:43:52] Speaker 2: Beer.
[1:43:52] Speaker 1: Zero ooh, OOH i could go for, That. Rockard we're
[1:43:55] Speaker 1: hoping for a. Prophecy. Cooking, well we're gonna get. One
[1:43:58] Speaker 1: we will get. One but, yes mix some uh some
[1:44:02] Speaker 1: cracking not cracking, gold mix some regular cracking with Some
[1:44:05] Speaker 1: Doctor pepper. Zero you won't regret, it or any other
[1:44:08] Speaker 1: of The Doctor pepper brands would would. Work all, Right
[1:44:11] Speaker 1: we're gonna Grabs jeff and THEN i Think alfie in that.
[1:44:16] Speaker 1: Order alfie is on the YouTube. Queue jeff was the
[1:44:18] Speaker 1: first in line on the TikTok Que and, well we'll
[1:44:22] Speaker 1: keep things. Rolling Maybe jeff will. Connect we'll see have
[1:44:39] Speaker 1: a little trouble maybe, maybe maybe we'll give him a.
[1:44:42] Speaker 1: Second maybe we'll. Connect maybe you. Won't, Okay well Sorry,
[1:44:55] Speaker 1: Jeff hey, friend we, Tried.
[1:44:59] Speaker 3: Jeff we.
[1:45:01] Speaker 1: You didn't even have A PfP so it was a long.
[1:45:06] Speaker 1: Chop let's grab. It looks Like alfie Or. Ali the
[1:45:09] Speaker 1: text of my screen is too small to make it.
[1:45:12] Speaker 1: Out i'll know ONCE i get get them on the big.
[1:45:14] Speaker 1: Screen looks Like, Alfie, Alfie welkeman are at least? Eighteen
[1:45:19] Speaker 1: and do you believe in? Gotten can you hear? ME
[1:45:24] Speaker 1: i can Hear you's a lot of background, noise THOUGH
[1:45:25] Speaker 1: i don't know what's going on over, there but some Well.
[1:45:28] Speaker 3: I'm, SORRY.
[1:45:31] Speaker 10: I would, Say i'm like a.
[1:45:33] Speaker 4: Fist.
[1:45:33] Speaker 1: Sure, sure you didn't sound very confident in. That are
[1:45:37] Speaker 1: you actually? Atheist, WELL.
[1:45:44] Speaker 14: I would, say Like i'm A. CHRISTIAN i go along
[1:45:46] Speaker 14: with all of, it AND i don't see a lot
[1:45:48] Speaker 14: of evidence for the existence Of, god.
[1:45:52] Speaker 3: If that makes any?
[1:45:53] Speaker 1: Sense so, well what do you?
[1:45:55] Speaker 4: Believe?
[1:45:58] Speaker 1: WELL i thought.
[1:45:58] Speaker 14: MAYBE i first start off with the kind of a.
[1:46:01] Speaker 14: JOKE i, mean this is your, sustenance, right what you're
[1:46:03] Speaker 14: doing right?
[1:46:03] Speaker 7: Now oh? Boy the whole?
[1:46:06] Speaker 1: Point all, right we're not going to do. That all,
[1:46:08] Speaker 1: right let's bring in a spirit of hijabi and hopefully
[1:46:13] Speaker 1: we'll get a productive. Conversation how you doing?
[1:46:15] Speaker 5: This i'm doing? Fun are you doing?
[1:46:19] Speaker 1: Well thanks for? Asking are you at least? Eighteen and
[1:46:21] Speaker 1: do you believe In? God?
[1:46:23] Speaker 5: Yes?
[1:46:25] Speaker 1: Awesome which?
[1:46:26] Speaker 5: GO i do believe in The Islamic?
[1:46:28] Speaker 7: God? Allah?
[1:46:30] Speaker 1: Sure and what is the best evidence or argument for
[1:46:32] Speaker 1: The Islamic god being?
[1:46:33] Speaker 5: Real in two? Cases Like god in? Hisself for, me
[1:46:40] Speaker 5: it's just that it makes the most like logical sense
[1:46:44] Speaker 5: WHEN i look at like how humans, procreate how plants
[1:46:48] Speaker 5: grow the life and death, cycle how we're here creating
[1:46:52] Speaker 5: all this infrastructure and. Stuff just the idea Of god
[1:46:55] Speaker 5: makes the most logical sense to. Me but when it
[1:46:57] Speaker 5: comes to The Islamic, god mostly because it has a
[1:47:01] Speaker 5: lot of truth in, there it's very logical AND i
[1:47:06] Speaker 5: don't see any inconsistencies of stuff Like i'm.
[1:47:09] Speaker 1: Born and read The.
[1:47:10] Speaker 5: Koran, Yes i've was born in the raised in the.
[1:47:14] Speaker 5: Church so like just seeing that, consistent clear, cut like
[1:47:17] Speaker 5: answers THAT i was looking. For that's WHY i ask.
[1:47:20] Speaker 1: YOU i ask you a couple of questions about The.
[1:47:22] Speaker 1: Koran how many levels of heaven are there or levels
[1:47:28] Speaker 1: of the?
[1:47:29] Speaker 5: HEAVENS i believe it's either seven or.
[1:47:32] Speaker 1: Eight, yeah and the lowest level is probably the one
[1:47:36] Speaker 1: closest to the, earth, RIGHT i believe so?
[1:47:40] Speaker 4: Sure sure.
[1:47:41] Speaker 1: Uh in The koran it says that the stars are
[1:47:44] Speaker 1: in the lowest heavens and that they're propelled towards the
[1:47:48] Speaker 1: earth to kill. DEMONS i think that's consistent with.
[1:47:51] Speaker 5: REALITY i wouldn't take it as, like of, course stars
[1:47:56] Speaker 5: are not just shooting out like hitting the ground or
[1:47:59] Speaker 5: anything like. That that's pretty, obvious AND i feel like
[1:48:02] Speaker 5: it's in the sense that stars just a. Light, also,
[1:48:06] Speaker 5: wait hold, on when it comes to different explanation for the,
[1:48:09] Speaker 5: stars and. Stuff they're also seen as like, lamps like
[1:48:12] Speaker 5: lamps of light kind of shining, down And i'm thinking
[1:48:16] Speaker 5: it's just like SOMETHING i don't know.
[1:48:21] Speaker 3: Kind.
[1:48:22] Speaker 5: OF i will, SAY i don't know how to explain.
[1:48:26] Speaker 1: That do you think that the light from distant stars
[1:48:30] Speaker 1: are illuminating our?
[1:48:31] Speaker 5: Planet, no it's from the. Sun BUT i would, SAY
[1:48:36] Speaker 5: i don't. KNOW i don't know Enough arabic to be
[1:48:38] Speaker 5: able to like depict each one because The arabic language
[1:48:43] Speaker 5: is way bigger than The english, language and there's specific
[1:48:46] Speaker 5: words for each where that is actually. There that's why,
[1:48:49] Speaker 5: many Like, muslims does not Consider english translation the Actual
[1:48:54] Speaker 5: quran because it's only so much it can.
[1:48:56] Speaker 1: Translate, well today Is you're lucky day Because i've got
[1:49:00] Speaker 1: our friend who actually can't Speak. Arabic his name IS.
[1:49:04] Speaker 1: Ms how are you, Doing M's i'm.
[1:49:06] Speaker 3: Good how are you?
[1:49:07] Speaker 1: HEY i can't.
[1:49:08] Speaker 3: Complain willing to make got like twenty notifications of shared
[1:49:12] Speaker 3: links to your.
[1:49:12] Speaker 1: History, yeah The m's light went on an actual real.
[1:49:18] Speaker 1: Light so we're talking About sarah Al mook where it
[1:49:23] Speaker 1: talks about the stars being lamps that get turned into
[1:49:26] Speaker 1: missiles to kill. Devils is there something in The arabic
[1:49:30] Speaker 1: we should know about here or is The english, Translation.
[1:49:33] Speaker 3: It literally says that and if you go to the
[1:49:35] Speaker 3: if you open up the there's also no. Company how
[1:49:38] Speaker 3: defail beating which it says. That i'm trying to remember
[1:49:41] Speaker 3: the reading of, it but the proof is pretty much
[1:49:42] Speaker 3: does say. That what happens is that the the gin
[1:49:45] Speaker 3: with the demons On, earth they go into the upper
[1:49:48] Speaker 3: atmosphere to try to you'vestrop on the on the angels
[1:49:53] Speaker 3: who were like doing the beating Of. God so the
[1:49:56] Speaker 3: angels then sind at them. Stories they threw the stories
[1:50:00] Speaker 3: set them to like push them back onto the.
[1:50:02] Speaker 5: Earth mm. Hmm if, ANYTHING i would just, say we're
[1:50:07] Speaker 5: not the only. REALM i believe in the.
[1:50:09] Speaker 3: Spirits, sure but our stories within our realm say that,
[1:50:14] Speaker 3: again our stories within our real.
[1:50:17] Speaker 5: What do you?
[1:50:18] Speaker 3: Mean stories are physical within the physical, Realm so we
[1:50:24] Speaker 3: have an instance of something within the physical, realm which
[1:50:27] Speaker 3: are which is stories being or interacting with the non
[1:50:31] Speaker 3: physical realm of. Demons so you'd be able to see,
[1:50:35] Speaker 3: that you'd be able to see the stories being thrown
[1:50:38] Speaker 3: at the, demons even if you can't see that the.
[1:50:40] Speaker 5: Non physical, realm how would you be able to see
[1:50:42] Speaker 5: that when we're not in the non physical, realm.
[1:50:46] Speaker 3: Because we can see the. Stories you can see the.
[1:50:49] Speaker 3: Stories the stories are. Physical stories are physical ST a
[1:50:53] Speaker 3: or STORIES S T A. R. S, yes.
[1:50:56] Speaker 5: We can see the. Stars but what there is to
[1:50:58] Speaker 5: see that they're seeing that they're creating missiles to Keep
[1:51:03] Speaker 5: gin or whatever in.
[1:51:04] Speaker 1: Check there we have the.
[1:51:06] Speaker 3: Stories, missiles the stage. Missiles so the steats themselves or.
[1:51:12] Speaker 3: Missiles so you can see the, stories then you would
[1:51:15] Speaker 3: see them act as. Missiles can we.
[1:51:16] Speaker 5: See the demons In? Gin? Yes or?
[1:51:18] Speaker 3: No no you.
[1:51:19] Speaker 5: Can't, Okay then why would we be able to see
[1:51:21] Speaker 5: the things that are like.
[1:51:23] Speaker 3: You see the? Story you would see the story because the.
[1:51:26] Speaker 5: Levels of heavens with stars like. Lamps we're not in
[1:51:29] Speaker 5: the lowest level of.
[1:51:30] Speaker 3: Heaven we are, no, no, no the. Universe, yeah the
[1:51:36] Speaker 3: Lowis tiven is the? Universe what the Lewis tiven is the?
[1:51:40] Speaker 3: Universe so soon this is the actual wording of the
[1:51:44] Speaker 3: of the, era but it's which is the earthly? Heaven
[1:51:50] Speaker 3: how's that the?
[1:51:51] Speaker 5: Case when we're in we're In if we're in, heaven
[1:51:59] Speaker 5: have you don't get to?
[1:52:00] Speaker 7: Happen?
[1:52:00] Speaker 3: Sure did?
[1:52:02] Speaker 5: You over two years? Ago But i've been learning about.
[1:52:06] Speaker 3: Him did you read The? Yes did you read the
[1:52:10] Speaker 3: point of the separation of The sivin? Heavens? Yeah and
[1:52:14] Speaker 3: what was The Lewist levelver the.
[1:52:15] Speaker 12: Heavens probably one the first, one the earthly, heaven the
[1:52:22] Speaker 12: wind that encompasses everything in the, sky the wind that
[1:52:25] Speaker 12: has the stories in the moon and the.
[1:52:26] Speaker 5: Sun, okay well.
[1:52:30] Speaker 3: In bik the words that is using ribic. Sky so the,
[1:52:33] Speaker 3: sivinskinise but skins are like when it's his, skiny it
[1:52:37] Speaker 3: is usually understuit as. Heaven so The sivins skins the
[1:52:40] Speaker 3: lewis of which is the earth.
[1:52:41] Speaker 5: Beaty i've never die from any, scholar BUT i rather
[1:52:46] Speaker 5: BECAUSE i don't know much about. That that's not SOMETHING
[1:52:49] Speaker 5: i DON'T i don't look at that to say My
[1:52:51] Speaker 5: god is, real because saying THAT i don't know something
[1:52:53] Speaker 5: about the sky is Why god is. Imaginary that that's
[1:52:56] Speaker 5: not SOMETHING i believe. In BUT i would Say i've
[1:52:59] Speaker 5: THOUGHT i follow My god because it just makes the most.
[1:53:02] Speaker 5: SENSE i got in this, self just makes the most
[1:53:04] Speaker 5: sense WHEN i look at, reality but also kind of
[1:53:07] Speaker 5: looking at let's, say for, reference certain revelations that could
[1:53:13] Speaker 5: only be known by the all knowing like a.
[1:53:17] Speaker 1: Like the of The, koran and this is just the.
[1:53:23] Speaker 3: Thing this is, like, yeah like the whole like things
[1:53:26] Speaker 3: that couldn't have been. Known is really it's like the
[1:53:31] Speaker 3: the just in twims mm hmm is a single one
[1:53:35] Speaker 3: that seem exact lane you, say but a single one that.
[1:53:37] Speaker 3: Exists but.
[1:53:41] Speaker 1: Go, AHEAD i, said you're welcome to.
[1:53:43] Speaker 5: Try IN sah eighty six five to, seven it, says
[1:53:47] Speaker 5: let them let the man consider that he has created
[1:53:50] Speaker 5: From he is created from a squirting fluid emerging from
[1:53:54] Speaker 5: between the backbone and the. Ribs the ribs and the
[1:53:57] Speaker 5: spine are connected to the function of sex organs through
[1:54:00] Speaker 5: a spinal cord role and controlling ejaculation and embryological origin
[1:54:06] Speaker 5: of the report they would be But i'm not finished
[1:54:12] Speaker 5: talking reproductive, organs so like kind of where the baby. Is,
[1:54:17] Speaker 5: also when you let the man consider what is created
[1:54:24] Speaker 5: what he was created, from he is created from a
[1:54:27] Speaker 5: spreading fluor image between the backbone and the. Ribs and
[1:54:30] Speaker 5: this is referring to anatomy that around that time was NOT.
[1:54:37] Speaker 1: I JUST i just wanted to help you out a
[1:54:39] Speaker 1: little bit before you get too deep on. THIS ms
[1:54:42] Speaker 1: also happens to be a medical doctor thought he is
[1:54:46] Speaker 1: going to know the end anatomy pretty.
[1:54:47] Speaker 5: Well, okay that's, fine then should know What i'm saying is.
[1:54:51] Speaker 5: True what you're, Seeing, okay around.
[1:54:56] Speaker 3: You're seeing would be. True what you just said would
[1:54:58] Speaker 3: be true if this was to nerve, connections but it is.
[1:55:02] Speaker 5: Not the talking about just nerves is about certain. Glands
[1:55:06] Speaker 5: and that's.
[1:55:07] Speaker 3: Sure give me the glue between the.
[1:55:10] Speaker 5: Les and the prospect and are accessory glands of the
[1:55:14] Speaker 5: male reproductive system that both control that both contribute to
[1:55:19] Speaker 5: the fluid and have distinct roles in what's called you,
[1:55:24] Speaker 5: know treading. Babies but, anyways let me see. Revocated there's
[1:55:34] Speaker 5: near the the pelvic things but before your ball drop
[1:55:38] Speaker 5: and stuff like. That and they lie between the, ribbon the.
[1:55:44] Speaker 3: Near the pervic. Bean you said what you, said near
[1:55:47] Speaker 3: the pervic.
[1:55:48] Speaker 5: Pain, yes when they descend.
[1:55:51] Speaker 3: What is the what is the pervict?
[1:55:52] Speaker 5: Bean the pelvic?
[1:55:54] Speaker 3: Bones, sorry the perfect.
[1:55:57] Speaker 5: Bones we're specifically with the say that, again.
[1:56:02] Speaker 3: And we are they a description of your where's? What
[1:56:07] Speaker 3: where's the for, example where is the pustinct?
[1:56:09] Speaker 5: Prostate it's near your. Ass, sure SO i said a
[1:56:15] Speaker 5: prostate GLANDS i wasn't talking about.
[1:56:20] Speaker 3: Say that gleans are within the. Pusct the post gleans
[1:56:23] Speaker 3: are within the pustinct instead of the. Post, Yeah.
[1:56:30] Speaker 5: I'm talking about like the spinal cord which runs through
[1:56:33] Speaker 5: the spine acts as a, controller like controls the center
[1:56:36] Speaker 5: for ejaculation and the reproductive organs such.
[1:56:39] Speaker 3: As this.
[1:56:42] Speaker 5: Is thinking about initially formed region region between the.
[1:56:48] Speaker 1: Spines and let me read this.
[1:56:51] Speaker 5: Article that's What i'm. Saying it's talking about it's talking
[1:56:58] Speaker 5: about where we're created. From this line of The koran
[1:57:00] Speaker 5: is talking about where we're created.
[1:57:02] Speaker 3: From correct that the thing we've been created from is
[1:57:05] Speaker 3: the liquid and where is the squid coming? From the
[1:57:07] Speaker 3: liquid is coming from between.
[1:57:09] Speaker 5: From semen semen and stuff like. That that's What i'm talking.
[1:57:12] Speaker 3: About In Free serve and it says when reserve and
[1:57:15] Speaker 3: it says stemming from between the backborne and the, rips
[1:57:17] Speaker 3: or a better translation would be leaving from between the
[1:57:19] Speaker 3: back and the. Hips so what is the thing that
[1:57:21] Speaker 3: is leaving from between the blackgoin and the?
[1:57:22] Speaker 12: Hips what do you?
[1:57:24] Speaker 1: Mean it's certainly.
[1:57:28] Speaker 5: H it's kind about.
[1:57:30] Speaker 3: Between that is not what it's what it is talking.
[1:57:34] Speaker 3: About we have an action of verb and a thing
[1:57:37] Speaker 3: that does the action of the, verb which is basic curby.
[1:57:40] Speaker 3: Grammar so the verb is the rouge with the. Leaving
[1:57:43] Speaker 3: so there's a thing that is doing the action of.
[1:57:45] Speaker 3: Leaving it is to be mentioned within the context of the.
[1:57:47] Speaker 3: Verse so the thing that is doing the action of
[1:57:49] Speaker 3: leaving it has to be either the human himself or
[1:57:53] Speaker 3: with the. Liquid it cannot be anything.
[1:57:54] Speaker 5: Else what's the last thing you? Said i'm, SORRY i
[1:58:02] Speaker 5: Know i'm not understanding what he's.
[1:58:03] Speaker 3: Saying, okay let me. Okay so the way it says,
[1:58:12] Speaker 3: yes the way In arabic that is a verb, yeah
[1:58:16] Speaker 3: and verbs have an action to wear a person that
[1:58:19] Speaker 3: does the the action of the verb. H so what
[1:58:22] Speaker 3: it is it leaves from between the backmoen of the.
[1:58:25] Speaker 3: Hips it is referring to something that is leaving from
[1:58:27] Speaker 3: between the backburn and the. Whips what is the thing
[1:58:30] Speaker 3: that is? Leaving it has to be something within the.
[1:58:33] Speaker 3: Context so it has to be referring to either first
[1:58:37] Speaker 3: number of favorite it says lit, men then consider what
[1:58:39] Speaker 3: he was made from or there is referring to verse
[1:58:41] Speaker 3: six what it says made from liquid or made from spreading?
[1:58:44] Speaker 5: Liquid so, sorry are you saying that.
[1:58:49] Speaker 3: It is referring to this with? That so it is
[1:58:51] Speaker 3: either referring grammatically to the baby leaving from between the
[1:58:54] Speaker 3: backmen and the, whips or it is referring to the.
[1:58:56] Speaker 5: Liquid so you're saying it's either talking about the uh
[1:59:00] Speaker 5: like production of like babies growing or. Semen is that
[1:59:03] Speaker 5: what you're saying is either.
[1:59:04] Speaker 3: One it cannot be talking about the black. Bone it
[1:59:07] Speaker 3: couldnot like the nerves within the. Blackbone it cannot be
[1:59:09] Speaker 3: talking about for, example what else did you say them
[1:59:15] Speaker 3: the umbiological version of the disease and the. Movies it
[1:59:18] Speaker 3: cannot be talking about that because because then it would
[1:59:20] Speaker 3: be referencing and actually do with the result mentioned within the.
[1:59:22] Speaker 5: Context what do you mean like like.
[1:59:26] Speaker 3: For, example IF i, say IF i Say joan loves
[1:59:30] Speaker 3: to play in the, park he's so. Funny so who
[1:59:34] Speaker 3: is the person that is? FUNNY i can't hear you
[1:59:42] Speaker 3: in the spirit hear, me, Yes so my example was
[1:59:58] Speaker 3: IF i Say joan plays in the, ground the, playground
[2:00:02] Speaker 3: he is so, funny the funny is attributed to whom
[2:00:08] Speaker 3: the fun to Don, yes could only go ahead and, say,
[2:00:12] Speaker 3: actually the funny is attributed to my, dog. Porker why
[2:00:16] Speaker 3: would you do? That? Exactly, so when the verse tells
[2:00:19] Speaker 3: you it's talking about a specific, subject which is the,
[2:00:24] Speaker 3: liquid and then it mentions an attribute connection of this
[2:00:28] Speaker 3: liquid the leaving from between the black the. Ribs then
[2:00:31] Speaker 3: you would attribute the leaving to the. Liquid you would
[2:00:33] Speaker 3: not attribute the leaving to these to the embryon Ecusions.
[2:00:37] Speaker 5: I'm talking. About i'm just talking about what's around there
[2:00:40] Speaker 5: and what it. Like like attributes to the ribs and
[2:00:43] Speaker 5: spines are connected to the function of sex organs through
[2:00:46] Speaker 5: the Spinal.
[2:00:50] Speaker 3: Sure how are the, Ribs, yeah how are the ribs?
[2:00:52] Speaker 5: Connected it's just where it is function through the spinal
[2:00:59] Speaker 5: cause role and controlling, ejaculation.
[2:01:01] Speaker 3: And the sure the explinal cord control the. Ejaculation they're just.
[2:01:06] Speaker 5: Connected like that's why they're saying between the ribs and
[2:01:09] Speaker 5: the backbone because in that in that, area that's where
[2:01:14] Speaker 5: the testes and ovaries initially. Are before they.
[2:01:16] Speaker 3: Just except what it, is except what it is that
[2:01:22] Speaker 3: it's between The it is referring again to the. Liquid
[2:01:26] Speaker 3: it is referring to the liquid.
[2:01:30] Speaker 5: Like produced some stuff are produced. There it's a part.
[2:01:32] Speaker 3: Of not not an em when they when the fetus is.
[2:01:36] Speaker 3: Developing when the fetus is, developing it is producing sexual.
[2:01:41] Speaker 3: Fluid so we wouldn't be thinking about, that not in.
[2:01:45] Speaker 3: Women what do you mean not in?
[2:01:47] Speaker 5: Women like it's saying something is coming coming out of.
[2:01:51] Speaker 5: You When i'm saying the embryological, ORIGIN i don't mean
[2:01:55] Speaker 5: that it's producing the. EMBRYO i mean that is just
[2:01:58] Speaker 5: an area where that that function is coming into. Play
[2:02:02] Speaker 5: Like i'm not saying that's like where it is.
[2:02:04] Speaker 3: Liquid it is it is the liquid is. Coming now
[2:02:07] Speaker 3: we have no liquid In, embyodagen say that, again it
[2:02:11] Speaker 3: iss that the liquid itself is the thing that is.
[2:02:13] Speaker 3: Coming but we do not have a liquid prison In.
[2:02:15] Speaker 3: Ambriyodagen in, biology there is no liquid that is going
[2:02:25] Speaker 3: to be. Produced believe the fetal. Testies i'm not really
[2:02:30] Speaker 3: getting your. Point would you help me? Rephrase if you.
[2:02:35] Speaker 1: The liquid comes from the, testes the liquid being the
[2:02:40] Speaker 1: liquid is the object of the. Verb so he's saying
[2:02:43] Speaker 1: that that the verb is acting upon the, liquid and
[2:02:47] Speaker 1: the liquid comes from your. Testes, now your argument is
[2:02:51] Speaker 1: that well before your testes, descend they're between your backbone
[2:02:56] Speaker 1: and your, ribs which isn't. True they're Not they're in
[2:02:59] Speaker 1: the lower part of your, diaphragm which is still well
[2:03:02] Speaker 1: below your. Ribs so even if you want to, say,
[2:03:05] Speaker 1: well the fluid isn't the object of the. Verb, well
[2:03:09] Speaker 1: the apologetic for that is wrong as. Well, mmm your
[2:03:19] Speaker 1: testes do not descend from your.
[2:03:20] Speaker 5: Ribs i'm not saying it's coming from your. RIBS i
[2:03:25] Speaker 5: mean between they're really, not you. Know, okay then they
[2:03:30] Speaker 5: when are they.
[2:03:30] Speaker 1: Coming from The they're coming from the lower part of or,
[2:03:34] Speaker 1: diaphragm which is here here.
[2:03:42] Speaker 3: Is the lower end of.
[2:03:43] Speaker 1: Views, okay but still below the.
[2:03:47] Speaker 5: Ribs that's where you, know those are floating ribs right
[2:03:50] Speaker 5: there where you're putting.
[2:03:51] Speaker 1: Test your testes aren't. Here if your testes are never
[2:03:54] Speaker 1: at your ribs.
[2:03:54] Speaker 5: Ever between the rib and the, backbone they're never could
[2:03:59] Speaker 5: you put?
[2:04:00] Speaker 3: Them blas queen to, say what at the?
[2:04:03] Speaker 5: SHOW i don't know how to share on? Here not?
[2:04:07] Speaker 1: You not? You one, SECOND i can a wrong. Screen
[2:04:15] Speaker 1: let me make it. Big you're big on, TikTok but
[2:04:19] Speaker 1: then no one can see you on.
[2:04:20] Speaker 3: YouTube just leave me a second and.
[2:04:35] Speaker 1: If you send it to me on the, DISCORD i
[2:04:36] Speaker 1: can put it on the screen.
[2:04:39] Speaker 5: Just a.
[2:04:40] Speaker 3: Second, Okay so this is something em and oh this
[2:04:51] Speaker 3: would be a live in eight.
[2:04:54] Speaker 1: Weeks all, right one, second let me believe.
[2:04:59] Speaker 3: Defeatus already has a little dissension in the, sixties which
[2:05:02] Speaker 3: would be those these are the. Kidneys the original beginning
[2:05:07] Speaker 3: points or beginning place of the sisties would be around.
[2:05:10] Speaker 5: Here so keep.
[2:05:14] Speaker 3: This is this is the.
[2:05:15] Speaker 5: Diaphragm, okay the ribs are is it in front of?
[2:05:19] Speaker 3: Them the dram ends at the teeto of the, area
[2:05:24] Speaker 3: so we would be blue that whis a for, tubro
[2:05:28] Speaker 3: meaning the end of the, hibs and then it goes
[2:05:32] Speaker 3: ahead and keeps them descending and descending.
[2:05:37] Speaker 12: And then.
[2:05:39] Speaker 5: Right so where you just roll up is the ribs
[2:05:43] Speaker 5: in front of? It or, no you're know in the
[2:05:47] Speaker 5: front where that blue circle. Is you're telling me there's
[2:05:49] Speaker 5: no ribs covering that era of the diaphragm or the
[2:05:52] Speaker 5: chest is, here so the ribs stop all the way
[2:05:56] Speaker 5: from up, there the floating.
[2:05:58] Speaker 3: Ribs floating, ribs you, know you'd have fluting ribs from
[2:06:01] Speaker 3: the back from the band just going up.
[2:06:02] Speaker 4: Here.
[2:06:04] Speaker 3: Okay but the problem is that with the that is
[2:06:10] Speaker 3: used in the kurundi is referring to the upper, rips
[2:06:14] Speaker 3: the specifically the area between the clinic who and your
[2:06:17] Speaker 3: upper rips mm, hm which would be which would be
[2:06:21] Speaker 3: weird with here now again the test would, continued would, Continue,
[2:06:29] Speaker 3: yeah descending on the way until they reached the. Scuta
[2:06:33] Speaker 3: the Rundquens, OKAY.
[2:06:41] Speaker 5: I don't know from from like. Interpretations they're mostly talking about
[2:06:46] Speaker 5: the sexual suits of both the man that's like emanating
[2:06:50] Speaker 5: from the loins and backbone and the women like coming
[2:06:53] Speaker 5: from the. Chest the ribs and chests are.
[2:06:56] Speaker 3: Necessary specifically that the specifically since it is the mixture of,
[2:07:00] Speaker 3: fluids the weight thick fluid of the man from his.
[2:07:03] Speaker 3: Bank and delicate about functions If i'm.
[2:07:09] Speaker 5: Not saying just, functions just like where they're coming, From
[2:07:11] Speaker 5: like are they not important for?
[2:07:13] Speaker 3: Procreation, sure they're important for, procreation the same way, that for,
[2:07:17] Speaker 3: example your heart is important for, procuration or the health
[2:07:20] Speaker 3: of your vessels it's important for, procreation or your breed
[2:07:25] Speaker 3: is important for. Procuration it is no more and it
[2:07:28] Speaker 3: is no more important than any of these.
[2:07:31] Speaker 5: Say that last, Partigan, sorry.
[2:07:33] Speaker 3: It is no more important than any of the other
[2:07:35] Speaker 3: EXAMPLES i give as in as in the, brain as.
[2:07:40] Speaker 5: In the heart has nothing to do with like having.
[2:07:43] Speaker 5: Babies why would he Mention poe.
[2:07:45] Speaker 3: Trees it. Does it does have a very bit to
[2:07:49] Speaker 3: do with it to do with.
[2:07:50] Speaker 5: It the SERIOUS i, mean.
[2:07:54] Speaker 1: The meaning of the passage is exactly What em. Says
[2:07:57] Speaker 1: it says he is created from a water gushing, forth
[2:08:01] Speaker 1: meaning the sexual fluid that comes out bursting forth from
[2:08:05] Speaker 1: the man and the, woman which means he's talking about
[2:08:08] Speaker 1: the origin of the fluid and the. Fluid the origin
[2:08:11] Speaker 1: is you, know in your coin. Purse so is that?
[2:08:15] Speaker 5: Correct, No so the fluids mixing together doesn't make a, baby.
[2:08:23] Speaker 1: The food baby. Rescuing where does the men's burning fluid come?
[2:08:29] Speaker 1: From and it comes not from between your backbone and your.
[2:08:33] Speaker 3: Ribs and also they think that the fluid of the
[2:08:37] Speaker 3: woman is yellow and thick and. Delicate it's a delicate yellow.
[2:08:41] Speaker 3: Fluid the the Proof muslim, says the wilter of the
[2:08:47] Speaker 3: man is thick and, white and the word of the
[2:08:49] Speaker 3: woman is yellow and. Delicate and.
[2:08:54] Speaker 5: You're a ki not JUST i follow, somehow like when
[2:08:58] Speaker 5: it comes to sunny. Stuff but the main like source
[2:09:00] Speaker 5: of knowledge should come from The. Quran if that's what we're.
[2:09:04] Speaker 1: DEBATING i, MEAN i THINK i think.
[2:09:08] Speaker 3: It's simply it's now, point but we can just get
[2:09:11] Speaker 3: skipped to.
[2:09:12] Speaker 1: IT i, mean if you're A, quran only THAT i,
[2:09:16] Speaker 1: mean there's still a lot of QUESTIONS i would have,
[2:09:19] Speaker 1: right which, is LIKE i, SAID i don't know.
[2:09:24] Speaker 5: EVERYTHING i can admit, that LIKE i do not know.
[2:09:27] Speaker 5: Everything i'm still learning. Myself but for, ME I i
[2:09:31] Speaker 5: have this belief because, this this is what feels right to,
[2:09:34] Speaker 5: me this is what makes most sense to. Me that's
[2:09:37] Speaker 5: like a big thing of faith just having. That but
[2:09:39] Speaker 5: also there's a logical reasoning behind it WHERE i feel
[2:09:42] Speaker 5: like it just makes the most sense out of any.
[2:09:44] Speaker 5: Religion but like what you just.
[2:09:47] Speaker 3: You just shoot that it doesn't you give us obviously won't.
[2:09:53] Speaker 5: What the ribs and back on? Stuff, YEAH i see
[2:09:57] Speaker 5: from the back between the, back backbones and, ribs any
[2:10:01] Speaker 5: any organs in that. AREA i feel like it's the
[2:10:04] Speaker 5: same thing anything that's in that.
[2:10:08] Speaker 3: Area, sure nothing in the theia produces, sperm to, say,
[2:10:14] Speaker 3: what not a single thing we think the theia producers.
[2:10:16] Speaker 5: Sperm things in the spine that's controlling, ejaculation pushing it
[2:10:21] Speaker 5: out of your body and stuff like, that that's something
[2:10:23] Speaker 5: to do with.
[2:10:24] Speaker 1: Ejaculation doesn't say, Pushing.
[2:10:26] Speaker 5: I'm not gonna not, pushing but it. Helps it has
[2:10:29] Speaker 5: a role in controlling.
[2:10:30] Speaker 3: Ejaculation, sure but that is loop is what is being,
[2:10:33] Speaker 3: sent even if it's.
[2:10:37] Speaker 5: To the spine as as a control center for.
[2:10:39] Speaker 1: Exaculation the spinal cord isn't between the just we're. Clear
[2:10:44] Speaker 1: when we're talking about locations between the spinal cord and the,
[2:10:48] Speaker 1: ribs excludes both the ribs and the spinal. Cord you
[2:10:51] Speaker 1: can't be between the two of them if you are
[2:10:54] Speaker 1: in fact one of.
[2:10:54] Speaker 3: Them and also ejaculation. HAPPENS i believe in the lumberport
[2:10:59] Speaker 3: and the lumber the, vertebra which would be below the.
[2:11:03] Speaker 3: Rips it is number, one number. Two this is not
[2:11:07] Speaker 3: what the verse is talking. About for the fifth, time
[2:11:10] Speaker 3: the verses referring to a liquid. Leaving so the liquid
[2:11:13] Speaker 3: would have to have a place within the bag bone
[2:11:16] Speaker 3: and the whips so that it could leave from The
[2:11:20] Speaker 3: is this.
[2:11:20] Speaker 5: Please the epamus or some ship oh, Epandemus like during
[2:11:31] Speaker 5: an ejaculations frem is expelled from the diamonds or something like.
[2:11:35] Speaker 5: THAT i, CAN'T i don't know, That like how TO
[2:11:40] Speaker 5: E P I D I D Y M i s.
[2:11:43] Speaker 3: Like look at like reading things else without rating? Them
[2:11:46] Speaker 3: could you just repeat that?
[2:11:47] Speaker 5: Again but, DIAMONDS i don't Think i'm pronouncing that.
[2:11:52] Speaker 1: RIGHT i THINK i.
[2:11:57] Speaker 5: Probably, yeah, Yeah i'm not.
[2:11:59] Speaker 3: Good the EPAMs is convicted to to the end of your.
[2:12:04] Speaker 3: Sixties that is where the the sperm cells. Mature mm.
[2:12:08] Speaker 3: Hmmmm but what does they have to do with anything
[2:12:12] Speaker 3: that's in Your?
[2:12:12] Speaker 5: Schootum i'm just going off WHAT i. Know is this
[2:12:15] Speaker 5: suggest for. Interpretations most suggest that it refers to the
[2:12:19] Speaker 5: location of the seminal vesticles or behind are situated in
[2:12:25] Speaker 5: the pelfect region between the backbone and the.
[2:12:27] Speaker 3: Ribs the WEIRD i think you knew where you're blood
[2:12:39] Speaker 3: that will tell you you can you like visual lines
[2:12:42] Speaker 3: upon yourself where your blitter?
[2:12:43] Speaker 11: Is mm.
[2:12:44] Speaker 3: Hmm that behind the blitter is the seminal.
[2:12:47] Speaker 5: Vescals, okay.
[2:12:50] Speaker 3: Do you think that has anything to do with your?
[2:12:52] Speaker 5: Ribs i'm not saying has anything to do with my.
[2:12:56] Speaker 5: Ribs it's between the. Ribs who is.
[2:12:59] Speaker 3: It who is stepped behind blitter between from The?
[2:13:05] Speaker 1: Okay in, fact here's a here's a diagram from the.
[2:13:09] Speaker 1: Interwebs the seminal vesicles, appear as far AS i can,
[2:13:14] Speaker 1: tell to be nowhere between the ribs and the. Backbone
[2:13:18] Speaker 1: H i think very different.
[2:13:21] Speaker 5: Way WHEN i think between the ribs and. Backbone i'm
[2:13:24] Speaker 5: thinking anything that's between, it all organs between.
[2:13:26] Speaker 1: It, well these aren't between. It the ribs are up
[2:13:29] Speaker 1: here like, way they're off the.
[2:13:32] Speaker 5: Draw circle around your body and you look into, it
[2:13:35] Speaker 5: ISN'T i That.
[2:13:36] Speaker 1: I've Gotta i've got a charting the body right, now
[2:13:40] Speaker 1: and the ribs aren't even on the chart. There they're
[2:13:42] Speaker 1: above where the chart cuts off at nothing, none, nothing
[2:13:49] Speaker 1: nothing on this. Chart, LISTEN i have a chart on the.
[2:13:52] Speaker 1: Screen reference that none of these organs are between the
[2:13:56] Speaker 1: ribs and the.
[2:13:57] Speaker 5: Backbone that's fine to see it that. Way i'm thinking
[2:14:01] Speaker 5: of If i'm drawing in a line, trait does it extend?
[2:14:04] Speaker 5: Past this is a.
[2:14:07] Speaker 1: Drawing this is literally the wiki page for the semino.
[2:14:11] Speaker 1: Vesicles this is the anatomical drawing of the human. Body
[2:14:15] Speaker 1: do you see the ribs on here?
[2:14:17] Speaker 5: Anywhere i'm seeing what you're, Saying i'm not saying. That
[2:14:23] Speaker 5: that's not What I'm do you.
[2:14:23] Speaker 1: See ribs on? This do you have thirty? Ribs do
[2:14:27] Speaker 1: you have extra ribs that this person on the drawing.
[2:14:29] Speaker 5: What i'm, Saying that's not What i'm. Saying the question
[2:14:33] Speaker 5: question about the.
[2:14:35] Speaker 1: Religion so unless your ribs come all the way down
[2:14:38] Speaker 1: to your. Waistline these organs are not between your backbone
[2:14:42] Speaker 1: and your.
[2:14:42] Speaker 5: Rib, okay do you have any other questions about the?
[2:14:46] Speaker 5: Religion like you're like you feel like you're doing.
[2:14:48] Speaker 1: QUESTIONS i, MEAN i got a good. Question so do
[2:14:52] Speaker 1: you think that morals are objective or do you think,
[2:14:55] Speaker 1: that in, fact they could be?
[2:14:57] Speaker 5: Relative relative in the sense of like outside of. Religion
[2:15:02] Speaker 5: when it comes to, religion or at Least islam from
[2:15:05] Speaker 5: my stand, point are?
[2:15:06] Speaker 1: Objective, Okay so they don't change in time.
[2:15:11] Speaker 5: When it comes to religion in the world like. Society,
[2:15:13] Speaker 5: yes it changes every other.
[2:15:15] Speaker 1: Decade, no, no, No i'm talking about it in, reality not
[2:15:18] Speaker 1: in our. Society in, reality are morals? Objective, yes they're well?
[2:15:24] Speaker 1: Not they? Change, yeah so then they're, relative.
[2:15:29] Speaker 5: They're relative outside of.
[2:15:30] Speaker 1: Religion you, Know i'm asking in. Reality i'm not asking
[2:15:34] Speaker 1: you what you THINK i. Believe i'm asking you what
[2:15:37] Speaker 1: you believe about the reality of. Morals are they objective and?
[2:15:41] Speaker 5: Unchanging they're relative outside of. Religion i'm not asking.
[2:15:47] Speaker 1: You about outside of. Religion but your views is a religious.
[2:15:51] Speaker 1: Viewpoint i'm asking you for your religious. Viewpoint are morals
[2:15:56] Speaker 1: relative or are the?
[2:15:57] Speaker 5: OBJECTIVE i would say objective when it has like for,
[2:16:02] Speaker 5: me the chrime and all, this like what which what
[2:16:05] Speaker 5: you're supposed to do or not? Do they don't, Change
[2:16:07] Speaker 5: they say the same.
[2:16:09] Speaker 1: That that was my. Question, Okay so then is it
[2:16:12] Speaker 1: okay to marry and divorce prepe besting. Girls, No but
[2:16:18] Speaker 1: in the kron it says you can divorce, them which
[2:16:21] Speaker 1: means you must be.
[2:16:21] Speaker 5: All you can divorce you. Can you can get divorced
[2:16:24] Speaker 5: as your, piece you can get married as your. Pleas
[2:16:25] Speaker 5: but when you said pre, puvescent that's one of the.
[2:16:29] Speaker 5: Criteria you gotta fit just about all of. Them but
[2:16:31] Speaker 5: one of the criteria you have to be like out
[2:16:34] Speaker 5: of what's it called after, puberty you have to?
[2:16:38] Speaker 1: Puberty not the.
[2:16:40] Speaker 3: Case can we prove?
[2:16:43] Speaker 5: That, yeah that you have to be past the? Age,
[2:16:50] Speaker 5: yeah right, There.
[2:16:53] Speaker 1: Okay i'll read it says as for your women past
[2:16:55] Speaker 1: the age of, menstruation in case you do not, know
[2:16:57] Speaker 1: their waiting period is three months and those who have not,
[2:17:00] Speaker 1: menstruated as well as for those who are, pregnant their
[2:17:03] Speaker 1: waiting period ends with. Deliveries so if you haven't.
[2:17:06] Speaker 5: Menstruated, yeah you're talking about people that are already, Married
[2:17:09] Speaker 5: like how they get.
[2:17:09] Speaker 1: Divorced this is the waiting period for getting, divorced because
[2:17:13] Speaker 1: what they're doing is they want to be able to.
[2:17:16] Speaker 1: Assign they want to be able to assign whose child
[2:17:19] Speaker 1: goes to who in the case that somebody has a
[2:17:22] Speaker 1: child during a divorce. Proceeding, Right so they're, saying, listen
[2:17:26] Speaker 1: even if you're divorcing a girl who hasn't reached puberty,
[2:17:30] Speaker 1: yet there's still a waiting period of three. Months so
[2:17:33] Speaker 1: that means you can marry girls that are, preprevescent which
[2:17:37] Speaker 1: makes a lot of sum because because the prophet.
[2:17:40] Speaker 5: Did one time and it was meant go.
[2:17:48] Speaker 3: To kronext commentaries and then sixty five.
[2:17:50] Speaker 5: Four i'm also when you're looking at, that it's like
[2:17:54] Speaker 5: one thing he out of that one, wife all of
[2:17:59] Speaker 5: the otherwise were than. Him, well they weren't that.
[2:18:04] Speaker 3: Young younger than. Him Us hufsa was very, Young hulfs
[2:18:09] Speaker 3: it was like, sixteen seventeen.
[2:18:12] Speaker 5: Seventeen most of his maive you best since she's.
[2:18:15] Speaker 1: Old this commentary is Why aisha she was also a.
[2:18:21] Speaker 5: Scholar it was. Not and also it came.
[2:18:24] Speaker 1: With you want to that's, adorable you want to read
[2:18:26] Speaker 1: the tough seer on, This oh what does old messenger
[2:18:31] Speaker 1: of a? Law what about the waiting period of those
[2:18:34] Speaker 1: that's that's Where i'm, at, right, yeap does an old
[2:18:37] Speaker 1: messenger of a? Law what about the waiting period of
[2:18:40] Speaker 1: those who Do i'm, sorry who do not have menstruation
[2:18:44] Speaker 1: because they are too, young along with those who have
[2:18:47] Speaker 1: it not because of their, age their waiting period is three.
[2:18:50] Speaker 1: Months so the waiting period to divorce a girl who
[2:18:53] Speaker 1: has not yet reached menstruation because she's too young is
[2:18:57] Speaker 1: still three, months, okay which means you can marry? Children that.
[2:19:04] Speaker 5: Doesn't nowhere does it say marry young. Kids what it's
[2:19:07] Speaker 5: saying is.
[2:19:09] Speaker 1: That means you can marry.
[2:19:11] Speaker 5: Them, no it doesn't Because islam was not.
[2:19:14] Speaker 1: Made how do you that you haven't? Married what do
[2:19:19] Speaker 1: you mean how do you divorce someone that you haven't?
[2:19:21] Speaker 5: Married that it can't you'd never made.
[2:19:25] Speaker 1: Okay so if you're allowed to? Divorce what's?
[2:19:28] Speaker 5: Up AM i go?
[2:19:32] Speaker 3: Ahead?
[2:19:32] Speaker 1: OH i didn't hear.
[2:19:33] Speaker 5: IT i don't know what he. SAID i was saying
[2:19:36] Speaker 5: that when it comes to comes to, That islam was
[2:19:39] Speaker 5: not made in a day before like the first like
[2:19:43] Speaker 5: decades or, so drinking conicating was still okay to do
[2:19:47] Speaker 5: if you told people to stop just doing ship on
[2:19:49] Speaker 5: the first, day they. Wouldn't they wouldn't do.
[2:19:51] Speaker 1: It so the mals are relative.
[2:19:55] Speaker 5: As it was being, made but soon as it was,
[2:19:57] Speaker 5: done like soon.
[2:19:58] Speaker 1: As the tired said they there. Objective didn't she say?
[2:20:01] Speaker 1: That didn't she say morals are?
[2:20:03] Speaker 5: Objective right to no one says it's right to force
[2:20:09] Speaker 5: a marriage or like what's it called the?
[2:20:10] Speaker 3: Spirit could you could you give me that fornication was
[2:20:14] Speaker 3: a little In.
[2:20:15] Speaker 5: Islam i'm not saying that that's what it's. Taught i'm
[2:20:19] Speaker 5: saying that they didn't make it permitted at prove not
[2:20:23] Speaker 5: permissible at the beginning because at the time that if
[2:20:26] Speaker 5: you just told people to stop having sex right, away
[2:20:30] Speaker 5: that that wouldn't. Work it was made as a gradual
[2:20:33] Speaker 5: thing before it became the final revelation in like in
[2:20:36] Speaker 5: its complete.
[2:20:36] Speaker 3: Sex could you shoot me? That could you show me
[2:20:38] Speaker 3: the gradual versus the prohibitunication go.
[2:20:42] Speaker 5: Ahead to prohibit before.
[2:20:46] Speaker 3: S could you show me any of the PROHIBITING i
[2:20:50] Speaker 3: don't know the EXACTLY i can tell, you but a
[2:20:54] Speaker 3: lot of, them but a single verse tells. You but
[2:21:04] Speaker 3: anythink basillits to just avoid if legal sexual intercourse. Completely
[2:21:12] Speaker 3: it even mentions The.
[2:21:16] Speaker 5: Okay seventeen thirty two and do not approach and sexual.
[2:21:23] Speaker 5: Intercourse indeed it is ever in a, morality and it's
[2:21:27] Speaker 5: in an evil. Way it.
[2:21:30] Speaker 3: Was, Yeah.
[2:21:34] Speaker 5: I'm saying that don't go to unlawful sexual. Intercourse i'm
[2:21:38] Speaker 5: not saying That islam taught to have. Sex i'm saying in.
[2:21:41] Speaker 3: The saying that it didn't prohibit.
[2:21:43] Speaker 5: It it.
[2:21:43] Speaker 3: Delimited at one, time it didn't prohibit.
[2:21:46] Speaker 5: It yet something not give me a. Headache i'm saying
[2:21:52] Speaker 5: that it came. Gradually they're not gonna come out and
[2:21:56] Speaker 5: just say at the first sign or like the first
[2:21:59] Speaker 5: when it was first mean, things don't, drink don't have,
[2:22:02] Speaker 5: sex don't do all. This they started off with people
[2:22:05] Speaker 5: learning Who god, was because you're not gonna fall follow
[2:22:08] Speaker 5: somebody you don't know at the beginning when the.
[2:22:10] Speaker 1: Relevant, RELATIVE i, mean you did.
[2:22:14] Speaker 5: What do you? MEAN i was not In.
[2:22:17] Speaker 1: You don't know anything about Follow.
[2:22:19] Speaker 5: GOD i don't follow a. PROPHET i follow you follow
[2:22:26] Speaker 5: his teachings and stuff like, that but you worship. Him he's.
[2:22:29] Speaker 1: Not no one said Follow.
[2:22:33] Speaker 3: You, said, yeah that would mean to follow his. Book,
[2:22:38] Speaker 3: yes does this book not say his messenger, yeah and
[2:22:42] Speaker 3: it is the, messenger the.
[2:22:43] Speaker 5: Proofect he's a, prophet that's all he, is.
[2:22:46] Speaker 3: True, sue you follow the? Profet? Yeah then when did
[2:22:50] Speaker 3: you see?
[2:22:50] Speaker 5: THEM i say in a. Sense WHEN i think of,
[2:22:53] Speaker 5: FOLLOWING i mean as in an act of. Worship that's
[2:22:56] Speaker 5: WHAT i took it as when he initially said. It
[2:22:58] Speaker 5: and that's WHY i SAID i follow no one but.
[2:23:00] Speaker 5: That because do.
[2:23:01] Speaker 3: You do you pray for to? Day could you to?
[2:23:05] Speaker 7: Be?
[2:23:06] Speaker 3: Yeah it does the? End say what at the? End
[2:23:12] Speaker 3: what do you mean at the at.
[2:23:19] Speaker 5: Like the whole section where you're sitting down with the
[2:23:21] Speaker 5: finger out that.
[2:23:22] Speaker 3: One it's the beginning part of.
[2:23:24] Speaker 12: It two.
[2:23:28] Speaker 5: Hm Oh, NO i mean In? ENGLISH i HAVE i
[2:23:37] Speaker 5: have trouble translating.
[2:23:38] Speaker 2: That could you?
[2:23:38] Speaker 3: See could you see it In?
[2:23:40] Speaker 4: English forgot another?
[2:23:46] Speaker 5: Son most? Alpha what tiba to? Slam?
[2:23:57] Speaker 3: Like just o you? Continue continue that point the serm.
[2:24:05] Speaker 5: He was to tire you about to a slam.
[2:24:11] Speaker 2: The.
[2:24:11] Speaker 5: SALEM i CAN'T i do a bike in? Order i'm
[2:24:16] Speaker 5: LIKE i do or, NO i mean LIKE i start
[2:24:20] Speaker 5: From alphatia and go all the. Way you don't do
[2:24:25] Speaker 5: it when you when you're, praying you start With. Alpatia
[2:24:29] Speaker 5: that's WHAT i mean.
[2:24:30] Speaker 3: That that's when you're that's when you're, praying not when
[2:24:33] Speaker 3: you're on the. Ground what do you mean when you're
[2:24:36] Speaker 3: on the, ground like the, porestration when you have your
[2:24:40] Speaker 3: finger to prevent the demon from like coming close to. You,
[2:24:45] Speaker 3: yeah you see that the Be what does the cum.
[2:24:54] Speaker 5: Say that?
[2:24:54] Speaker 3: Again and what does the salem you want to be?
[2:25:01] Speaker 3: Salam pretty much my POINT.
[2:25:06] Speaker 5: I CAN i. CANNOT i cannot like translate like. THAT
[2:25:09] Speaker 5: i translate in my head LIKE.
[2:25:11] Speaker 3: I can just do. It so pretty much what is?
[2:25:15] Speaker 3: Happening just so you know how like if you're cleaning
[2:25:18] Speaker 3: out for a human that is a nective. Worship you're
[2:25:21] Speaker 3: cleaning out for them when they're, dead for, example mm.
[2:25:24] Speaker 3: Hmm would you see that there's a nective? WORSHIP i MEAN.
[2:25:28] Speaker 1: I would say so if you're crying out to somebody
[2:25:30] Speaker 1: who's already dead to.
[2:25:34] Speaker 5: For.
[2:25:34] Speaker 1: Help.
[2:25:35] Speaker 8: Yeah.
[2:25:36] Speaker 5: OH i send prayers Among mohammed And muhammad like.
[2:25:40] Speaker 3: That ONE i do know that is know what you
[2:25:41] Speaker 3: see you, SEE i send listens to. You, yeah and
[2:25:46] Speaker 3: who's who's?
[2:25:47] Speaker 5: YOU i send blesses among you all prophet and the
[2:25:51] Speaker 5: followers Of. MUHAMMAD i send prayers Among abrahim and the
[2:25:55] Speaker 5: family Of abrahim, like, like are you talking about that when
[2:25:58] Speaker 5: you're still?
[2:25:59] Speaker 3: King but when you see a side day you're talking
[2:26:05] Speaker 3: to him in front of, you you're sending him to.
[2:26:08] Speaker 3: Pry he's looking when you're looking to him as if
[2:26:10] Speaker 3: he's in front of.
[2:26:11] Speaker 11: You Who?
[2:26:13] Speaker 5: Mohammed what what do you? Mean who Is? Mohammed now
[2:26:17] Speaker 5: we're talking To.
[2:26:18] Speaker 3: God, true you're supposed to be talking To. God but
[2:26:22] Speaker 3: the problem is wild talking To, god you're referring To.
[2:26:25] Speaker 3: Mohammed and the first person you're.
[2:26:26] Speaker 5: Seeing a lot of Among mohammad and the followers is.
[2:26:30] Speaker 3: What you see there is not what you. See there
[2:26:32] Speaker 3: is not what you see In. Arabic who's says you?
[2:26:36] Speaker 3: See since The arabic, Language so all.
[2:26:41] Speaker 5: The shiks and the study of The dean are just
[2:26:43] Speaker 5: making up that first.
[2:26:44] Speaker 3: Line and they. Didn't they, didn't they didn't take it.
[2:26:47] Speaker 3: Up you're the one who's.
[2:26:48] Speaker 5: Mistaken this is What i'm hearing from scholars who are.
[2:26:52] Speaker 3: Teaching the.
[2:26:52] Speaker 5: Scholar go, AHEAD i can't pronounce your. NAMES i don't.
[2:26:58] Speaker 3: Know just saying that move to. Mink by the, way
[2:27:02] Speaker 3: he's a.
[2:27:04] Speaker 1: He's a YouTuber or.
[2:27:05] Speaker 5: Something he's a. HE i won't say, Preacher i'm just
[2:27:10] Speaker 5: used to saying that Because i'm from A christian. Background
[2:27:12] Speaker 5: but like a speaker on.
[2:27:13] Speaker 3: His, lam he's like a public.
[2:27:16] Speaker 1: Speaker yeah he's a, scholar but.
[2:27:18] Speaker 5: He's not a.
[2:27:20] Speaker 3: Scholar there's number, one number. Two and even, if like did,
[2:27:23] Speaker 3: you he's a, scholder he does not say what you.
[2:27:24] Speaker 3: Say when he, praised he says he's. Saying he, Says,
[2:27:30] Speaker 3: okay the direct transition is peace and blessings be upon,
[2:27:33] Speaker 3: you o. Prophet so he's looking to the. Profet, okay
[2:27:39] Speaker 3: but did the guy is?
[2:27:45] Speaker 5: Dead, okay we're allowed prayers for those or that if
[2:27:50] Speaker 5: there is you, know.
[2:27:50] Speaker 3: You're not sure you. Can you can make, prayers for,
[2:27:52] Speaker 3: example saying that world bless. Him but what you're doing
[2:27:56] Speaker 3: is you're talking to him while he's. Dead CAN i go,
[2:27:59] Speaker 3: to for, example did grandma and just start talking to?
[2:28:02] Speaker 5: Her If god tells you to do, that why we
[2:28:05] Speaker 5: want to question? It not not to The grandma's. Stuff
[2:28:08] Speaker 5: i'm talking about some praise Among mohammad and the followers Are.
[2:28:11] Speaker 5: Muhammed what's wrong with the.
[2:28:13] Speaker 3: Problem you're missing the. Point what's your? Point the point
[2:28:17] Speaker 3: is that you're looking to him as a piece of life.
[2:28:19] Speaker 5: And what's the POINT i was that dismiss the exists Of.
[2:28:22] Speaker 3: God it isn't, okay you mentioned.
[2:28:26] Speaker 1: Of Your, god, spirit Your.
[2:28:28] Speaker 5: God how does that dismiss My? God because we're sending
[2:28:32] Speaker 5: prayers among the.
[2:28:33] Speaker 1: Prophets it's just it's just. Silly like The koran is
[2:28:36] Speaker 1: repeatedly affirming things that are that are.
[2:28:39] Speaker 5: Nonsensical as.
[2:28:44] Speaker 1: Have you read where it says that of those who
[2:28:47] Speaker 1: disbelieve that they're going to get severe punishment in this
[2:28:50] Speaker 1: life and in the. Hereafter do you think that atheists
[2:28:53] Speaker 1: and disbelievers are all being punished right?
[2:28:55] Speaker 5: Now, first when it says the, believers there's a reason
[2:28:59] Speaker 5: why they don't Say muslims believers and it. BELIEVERS i,
[2:29:05] Speaker 5: Know but like when it comes to FOR i have
[2:29:08] Speaker 5: to desire what believer. Means if you want what is a?
[2:29:13] Speaker 5: Disbeliever to know what a disbeliever someone That's i'm.
[2:29:17] Speaker 1: Asking you what is a?
[2:29:18] Speaker 5: DISBELIEVER i just said that someone that does not submit To,
[2:29:22] Speaker 5: god like submit themselves To. God that's.
[2:29:25] Speaker 1: Me, People, okay do you Think i'm being punished right?
[2:29:27] Speaker 5: NOW i don't think you're being punished right, Now and also.
[2:29:30] Speaker 1: Says so he SAYS i will subject them to severe
[2:29:33] Speaker 1: punishment in this life and in the. Hereafter so where's my?
[2:29:37] Speaker 1: Punishment how COME i am not getting subjected to?
[2:29:39] Speaker 3: It because you're The Middle.
[2:29:41] Speaker 1: East that's what it. Is that's what it.
[2:29:46] Speaker 5: Is, anyways it's also different type of texts else to
[2:29:51] Speaker 5: say that there he is all. Merciful this could be
[2:29:55] Speaker 5: Your and also if you want to say you're not being,
[2:30:00] Speaker 5: punished have you ever lost somebody in your? Life have
[2:30:02] Speaker 5: you ever went through a? Hardship but also hardship.
[2:30:05] Speaker 1: In, general punishment isn't something that everybody has to go,
[2:30:09] Speaker 1: through like so you can't, say like losing your parent
[2:30:12] Speaker 1: is a punishment because everybody had. Punishment that's not how punishments.
[2:30:16] Speaker 1: Work SO i didn't say. HARDSHIP i said. Punishment The
[2:30:20] Speaker 1: quran says THAT i will subject them to a severe,
[2:30:23] Speaker 1: punishment not a, hardship a severe. Punishment what's my?
[2:30:30] Speaker 5: Punishment you're gonna have to see when you're. DEAD i,
[2:30:35] Speaker 5: mean that's not in this.
[2:30:37] Speaker 1: Life the punishment in this, life.
[2:30:40] Speaker 5: Whatever the law. Says if you're doing stuff, BAD i don't, Know.
[2:30:43] Speaker 1: So there's no there's no punishment for.
[2:30:45] Speaker 5: Me then there is. Punishment it comes from within something
[2:30:50] Speaker 5: because you maybe not getting the like certain things like
[2:30:53] Speaker 5: you never know what you could have had if you
[2:30:55] Speaker 5: had submitted your will To.
[2:30:57] Speaker 1: God but you NEVER i do BECAUSE i know What
[2:31:02] Speaker 1: i'm missing out, on that's for.
[2:31:03] Speaker 3: Sure and also there is there is contradictory with the
[2:31:06] Speaker 3: with the different, hotith which it is we just seemed
[2:31:10] Speaker 3: to a Different how do you see the same that
[2:31:14] Speaker 3: for a, disbeliever the earth is Like, heaven and for
[2:31:17] Speaker 3: a believer the earth is like.
[2:31:18] Speaker 5: Hell say that, again believe it is in what the disc.
[2:31:25] Speaker 3: Or the earth. Is so for a believer it's like,
[2:31:28] Speaker 3: hell and for a non believer it is like.
[2:31:30] Speaker 5: Heaven you would have to check THAT thei not all have,
[2:31:34] Speaker 5: deaths are? Sure but.
[2:31:39] Speaker 1: Do you think that your Farm do you think that
[2:31:41] Speaker 1: your farm property like your? Farmland what do you? MEAN
[2:31:45] Speaker 1: i don't have a? Farmland should you be treated like? Farmland?
[2:31:50] Speaker 5: No why would you say?
[2:31:51] Speaker 1: That, well because The kuran says. So in The quran
[2:31:54] Speaker 1: it says your wives are like farmland for, you so
[2:31:56] Speaker 1: approach them as you.
[2:31:58] Speaker 5: Please i've never heard of, That BUT i will say
[2:32:05] Speaker 5: a permission chapter.
[2:32:07] Speaker 3: It doesn't it doesn't mean.
[2:32:13] Speaker 5: What does?
[2:32:14] Speaker 1: Mean it doesn't say. That it's irrelevant on the, Screen
[2:32:17] Speaker 1: i'll show you consentually is in? Consentually is in, brackets
[2:32:21] Speaker 1: which means it's not in The arabic. Text when it's
[2:32:24] Speaker 1: not in the, aera.
[2:32:24] Speaker 5: It means That, no it's Because english does not have as.
[2:32:28] Speaker 1: Many when it's not in The arabic. Text it puts
[2:32:32] Speaker 1: brackets around it because they want to give you their.
[2:32:35] Speaker 1: Meaning that's why it's. Bracketed it didn't say approach them.
[2:32:38] Speaker 1: Consentually it says approach them as you. Please oh, SORRY
[2:32:45] Speaker 1: i just muted her when she was.
[2:32:46] Speaker 5: Unmuting or maybe it could be That english language does not.
[2:32:52] Speaker 3: Have many it doesn't see anything. Consensual, yeah so tell
[2:32:59] Speaker 3: me what to.
[2:32:59] Speaker 5: Say given the, translation how is? This how's this?
[2:33:01] Speaker 3: Said could you Sure i'm going to translate it by?
[2:33:04] Speaker 3: Word could you like bring the queen a little to the, left.
[2:33:07] Speaker 1: Well to the. Left are you in? Vertical, yeah you're
[2:33:09] Speaker 1: in vertical because you're on tech Talk one, second one,
[2:33:12] Speaker 1: second let me do. That you needed to the left
[2:33:16] Speaker 1: a little bit about?
[2:33:17] Speaker 3: There ye meaning a woman the health like lokhim to.
[2:33:24] Speaker 3: You so approach your firm land wherever? Wanted where does
[2:33:35] Speaker 3: it see the word? Consensual read a? Thing? Yeah what
[2:33:40] Speaker 3: cat the move and and give forth your sent. Forth
[2:33:45] Speaker 3: then kum to yourself and be mindful of all and
[2:33:54] Speaker 3: m and know that yourself is? Sorry could you bring?
[2:33:59] Speaker 3: Back can bring it back to the again just a
[2:34:01] Speaker 3: little bit to the wait again to the, Right, yeah,
[2:34:04] Speaker 3: yeah like you no how you did? It to the? Left? Yeah,
[2:34:11] Speaker 3: okay what we shouldn't what we shouldn't we? Need so
[2:34:17] Speaker 3: it says, that and do that you're with your, power
[2:34:19] Speaker 3: and give good tweets to the and we mean the
[2:34:23] Speaker 3: people who believe he doesn't see anything about consensual be
[2:34:27] Speaker 3: mindful Of?
[2:34:28] Speaker 5: Allah why would he say?
[2:34:29] Speaker 1: That he says like a thousand, times.
[2:34:35] Speaker 5: Because what does it mean to be mindful Of?
[2:34:38] Speaker 1: Allah the questions with? Me the question is whether or
[2:34:43] Speaker 1: not you can approach your women as. Farmland, okay so
[2:34:50] Speaker 1: it says your wives are like farmland to, you they'll
[2:34:54] Speaker 1: approach them as you, please meaning this is endorsing.
[2:34:59] Speaker 5: Rape where do you see rape your? Wives where do
[2:35:03] Speaker 5: you see?
[2:35:03] Speaker 1: That so marital rape is when you don't have consent
[2:35:07] Speaker 1: for what it. Says so what it says is your
[2:35:13] Speaker 1: wives are like farmland to, you so approach them as you.
[2:35:18] Speaker 1: Please SO i don't know if you know, this but
[2:35:20] Speaker 1: farmland doesn't give you its consent when you approach, it
[2:35:24] Speaker 1: when you approach your, wives like farmland as you see.
[2:35:28] Speaker 1: Fit what that means is that you're doing what you
[2:35:32] Speaker 1: want with your.
[2:35:33] Speaker 5: Property in, teachings a man has the right to call
[2:35:39] Speaker 5: his wife to.
[2:35:39] Speaker 1: BED i, know does she had the right to?
[2:35:44] Speaker 5: Refuse, yes you're Reason.
[2:35:49] Speaker 3: What is the reasonable? Thing what does the reasonable thing go?
[2:35:52] Speaker 5: Ahead like if she's on her, peero she's in, pain she's,
[2:35:55] Speaker 5: tired like valid. Things because when it comes To, mari
[2:36:00] Speaker 5: you can be. Tired that that's a valid excuse you
[2:36:02] Speaker 5: being exhausted from like working twelve hour. Shifts of course
[2:36:05] Speaker 5: you wouldn't want to have. Sex and that's completely it's completely.
[2:36:09] Speaker 3: Way the distinction is that if you're secret to your
[2:36:13] Speaker 3: to the point in which it incumplicities you from having, Sex.
[2:36:17] Speaker 5: Okay a twelve hour, shift when an incapacity, incapacity how
[2:36:21] Speaker 5: would you?
[2:36:22] Speaker 3: Know Because i've six, Dots i'm.
[2:36:27] Speaker 5: Knocking out after, that that's. Incapacitated you can't enjoy, it
[2:36:30] Speaker 5: you can't even participate in it because you're you're. Exhausted
[2:36:34] Speaker 5: that's a good reason not to have.
[2:36:36] Speaker 1: Sex but we agree that in the, literature.
[2:36:42] Speaker 5: You have to look at certain hotdis and also there at.
[2:36:49] Speaker 3: You bring up the how do you think about the?
[2:36:53] Speaker 3: Demons were the angels cruising the way until?
[2:36:55] Speaker 5: Morning that comes from? You what's it called rejecting your?
[2:36:59] Speaker 5: Husband or no apparent? Reason because when it comes to
[2:37:03] Speaker 5: when it, comes he doesn't.
[2:37:04] Speaker 3: Mention for new. Reasons by the, way are you done? It?
[2:37:10] Speaker 1: Yeah in, fact when we've got to the dath right
[2:37:12] Speaker 1: here if you want to hear it. Right so it
[2:37:15] Speaker 1: says when a man invites his wife to his bed
[2:37:17] Speaker 1: and she does not, come and he the husband bends
[2:37:22] Speaker 1: the sight being angry with, her the angels curse her until.
[2:37:25] Speaker 5: Morning, OKAY i will say that doesn't what's a Can
[2:37:32] Speaker 5: it doesn't what's it called her rib say that you
[2:37:34] Speaker 5: should break your? Life that's not what that.
[2:37:36] Speaker 1: Means what is saying does say anything about her?
[2:37:39] Speaker 3: CONSENT i mean they can give you an example of
[2:37:42] Speaker 3: a woman who's forced to sleep with the men she
[2:37:43] Speaker 3: doesn't want to sleep with. Him the profect degrees where and.
[2:37:49] Speaker 5: Show me saying, that, okay she didn't want to sleep with,
[2:37:52] Speaker 5: you so it was, okay that's that's exactly what it.
[2:37:54] Speaker 3: Says and also he beats her in this they say
[2:37:58] Speaker 3: this is okay as he, DOES.
[2:38:01] Speaker 5: I would have to see. THIS i never seen anything like, that.
[2:38:09] Speaker 3: Seem it is five eight two, Five.
[2:38:16] Speaker 1: So all, Right, bakari he, said five eight two. Five
[2:38:21] Speaker 1: uh huh.
[2:38:24] Speaker 3: H it is the one at which the guy marries
[2:38:32] Speaker 3: this girl and he wants to sleep with, her and
[2:38:35] Speaker 3: then she, refuses so he beats her, up And ayisha
[2:38:37] Speaker 3: goes to the prophet and, says, look her arm is
[2:38:40] Speaker 3: as green as her clothes from the. Bruises and then
[2:38:43] Speaker 3: the prophet is, like why do you refuse to sleep with?
[2:38:46] Speaker 3: Him and then she said that he's impotent and he
[2:38:48] Speaker 3: cannot satisfy, me and then he says she's. Lying and
[2:38:51] Speaker 3: then when the prophets found out that the guy has
[2:38:53] Speaker 3: two has two, sons he says that this is evidence
[2:38:57] Speaker 3: enough for him that he's not impotent and that he
[2:38:59] Speaker 3: must sleep with her before she can go back to
[2:39:01] Speaker 3: her previous.
[2:39:03] Speaker 5: Husband him he's.
[2:39:06] Speaker 1: Important she, says, look her skin is greener than her.
[2:39:10] Speaker 1: Clothes when Abdur rahman heard that his wife had gone
[2:39:14] Speaker 1: to the, prophet he came to his two sons from another.
[2:39:17] Speaker 1: Wife he, said By, ALLAH i have done no wrong to,
[2:39:20] Speaker 1: him but he is impotent and is as useless to
[2:39:24] Speaker 1: me as, this holding and showing the fringe of her.
[2:39:27] Speaker 1: Garment Abdur rahman, said By, allah Oh allah's, messenger she
[2:39:32] Speaker 1: has told a. LIE i am very strong and can satisfy.
[2:39:35] Speaker 1: Her but she is disobedient and wants to go back
[2:39:37] Speaker 1: to Rafah allah's messengers said to, her if that is your,
[2:39:41] Speaker 1: intention then know that it is unlawful for you to
[2:39:43] Speaker 1: re Marry rafa unless Abdur rahman has had sexual intercourse with.
[2:39:48] Speaker 1: You the prophet saw the two boys with Abdur rahman
[2:39:51] Speaker 1: and said to, him are these your sons on? That
[2:39:54] Speaker 1: Abdur rahman said. Yes the prophet, said you claim what you,
[2:39:57] Speaker 1: CLAIM i. E that he is, Impotent but By, allah
[2:40:00] Speaker 1: those boys resemble. Him as a cow resembles a.
[2:40:03] Speaker 2: Crow.
[2:40:05] Speaker 3: The crew resembles a.
[2:40:06] Speaker 1: Crow oh, sorry, yeah as a crow resembles a. Crow, yep,
[2:40:11] Speaker 1: sorry C.
[2:40:11] Speaker 5: R thank.
[2:40:12] Speaker 3: You so he's selling her a woman who does not
[2:40:15] Speaker 3: going to sleep with, him to the point that she
[2:40:17] Speaker 3: has taken physical violence and entirely bruised around their. Body
[2:40:22] Speaker 3: the prophets her that she must allowed him to sleep
[2:40:26] Speaker 3: with her if she wants to go back to the.
[2:40:28] Speaker 3: Gun she loves.
[2:40:31] Speaker 5: Hm, Hmm i'm not sure how that, is but what's
[2:40:36] Speaker 5: what's the? Context why did they why did.
[2:40:37] Speaker 1: The isn't Isn't all of sahib is supposed to be.
[2:40:41] Speaker 1: Authentic why was it brought?
[2:40:43] Speaker 5: Up what was the context behind?
[2:40:44] Speaker 3: It behind what the?
[2:40:47] Speaker 5: Story? Why no story is brought up for no? Reason
[2:40:50] Speaker 5: so why was it brought up and?
[2:40:51] Speaker 1: Kept and is there a context required to make the
[2:40:55] Speaker 1: forcing a woman to sleep with? Somebody what context would
[2:40:58] Speaker 1: make that?
[2:40:58] Speaker 5: Better dollars brought forth this as evidence to support that
[2:41:03] Speaker 5: the fact in case of an in conceivable divorce with
[2:41:07] Speaker 5: major separation means they've been divorced three times. Already it
[2:41:10] Speaker 5: is impermissible for a divorced couple to remarry until the
[2:41:13] Speaker 5: woman marries another man and that second marriage is. Consummated
[2:41:17] Speaker 5: so if that marriage was not, consummated she. Cannot she cannot,
[2:41:21] Speaker 5: exactly there's no to sleep with.
[2:41:23] Speaker 1: Them BUT i, agree so she can't leave because the
[2:41:27] Speaker 1: marriage hasn't been. Consummated so he, said, no you you've
[2:41:30] Speaker 1: got to have sex with, them fuck your. Bruises, WELL
[2:41:35] Speaker 1: i don't.
[2:41:36] Speaker 5: KNOW i don't necessarily agree with, that BUT i agree
[2:41:38] Speaker 5: with the almost the car on ITSELF i don't agree
[2:41:41] Speaker 5: with anything that happened back.
[2:41:42] Speaker 3: THEN i just seemed you read that to. Four there
[2:41:52] Speaker 3: are two four if, night so you would assume that
[2:41:56] Speaker 3: if you're doing something very, good like finisting for, example
[2:42:00] Speaker 3: that is a that is something that should be, secret
[2:42:03] Speaker 3: that people should not prevent you from doing.
[2:42:05] Speaker 1: It, yeah that's gonna be a wild. ONE a woman
[2:42:09] Speaker 1: came to The prophet while we were with. Him she,
[2:42:12] Speaker 1: Said messenger Of, allah my, Husband bafwan ibn Al mutal
[2:42:17] Speaker 1: beats me WHEN i pray and makes me break my
[2:42:20] Speaker 1: fast WHEN i keep it, fast and he does not
[2:42:22] Speaker 1: offer the dawn prayer until the sun. Rises he asks Soft,
[2:42:27] Speaker 1: one who was, present about what she had. Said he,
[2:42:30] Speaker 1: Replied messenger Of. Allah as for her, statement he beats
[2:42:33] Speaker 1: me WHEN i. Pray she recites Two sarah's during, prayer
[2:42:37] Speaker 1: And i've prohibited her to do. So he the prophet,
[2:42:40] Speaker 1: said if one sarah is recited during, prayer that is
[2:42:43] Speaker 1: sufficient for the.
[2:42:44] Speaker 3: People could we still there just saying? It just let
[2:42:49] Speaker 3: me let me make my point. Clear so he says
[2:42:52] Speaker 3: that the girl says that he beats me ONE i,
[2:42:55] Speaker 3: pray so she's literally praying he beats, her and then
[2:42:58] Speaker 3: she goes to the proofect to, complace and then he,
[2:43:01] Speaker 3: says why do you do? This he, says because she
[2:43:02] Speaker 3: reads two chapters instead of, one so the proof Fith
[2:43:05] Speaker 3: instead of thanking him for beating his, wife he, says,
[2:43:09] Speaker 3: okay find let's get a. Compromise one and you're and
[2:43:14] Speaker 3: you're just gonna read. One.
[2:43:16] Speaker 5: Okay, first he has he has right to what's it
[2:43:21] Speaker 5: called educate and help people. Out but the thing is
[2:43:25] Speaker 5: he has no rights in somebody else's. MARRIAGE i can't
[2:43:27] Speaker 5: go to my neighbor next door, like, oh stop sucking
[2:43:29] Speaker 5: beating on your, wife like that's not. Right obviously it's not.
[2:43:32] Speaker 3: Right the proof that this is the this is the
[2:43:34] Speaker 3: proof finished. Wrong it has the way over. Anybody the
[2:43:40] Speaker 3: proof it has the way over anybody about.
[2:43:44] Speaker 5: Here CAN i? Finished i'll let you. Finish so when
[2:43:49] Speaker 5: it comes to the prophet, first Like i'm, Saying god
[2:43:51] Speaker 5: has a right, everything but the prophet. Doesn't there's a
[2:43:53] Speaker 5: reason why he were giving free. Will no matter what
[2:43:55] Speaker 5: a person, says they're gonna do what they want to.
[2:43:57] Speaker 5: Do so in that in that sense where they're already,
[2:44:00] Speaker 5: married he has no rights over their. Marriage all he
[2:44:03] Speaker 5: can do is try to make the situation, better and he,
[2:44:06] Speaker 5: said just pray One allah will accept that from you your.
[2:44:09] Speaker 5: Husband your husband is wrong, Obviously and where did he
[2:44:11] Speaker 5: see That i'm saying. This i'm saying the husband is wrong,
[2:44:17] Speaker 5: obviously but he has No i'm talking about What i'm.
[2:44:22] Speaker 3: Saying but don't see That i'm.
[2:44:24] Speaker 5: Saying because what will they? Do will it stop?
[2:44:26] Speaker 3: Him because obviously you see the one, yeah because we
[2:44:30] Speaker 3: have in which the prophet you suprohibit men from beating their.
[2:44:33] Speaker 3: Wives and then he changed his.
[2:44:34] Speaker 5: Mind was The muslim.
[2:44:38] Speaker 1: Or?
[2:44:39] Speaker 5: Hypocrite there's such thing as a nonproctica And muslim and.
[2:44:46] Speaker 3: In both scenarios like give you he's looking to A
[2:44:48] Speaker 3: muslim When i'm referring to was that, before before, again
[2:44:54] Speaker 3: before a specific movement in? Time the prophet did not
[2:44:58] Speaker 3: alone the beating of women and, Them so why.
[2:45:03] Speaker 1: Bring it up like he was The it's almost like
[2:45:05] Speaker 1: she didn't even hear what you.
[2:45:06] Speaker 5: SAID i.
[2:45:11] Speaker 3: Just thinking you shush up.
[2:45:15] Speaker 5: With.
[2:45:16] Speaker 3: Omar he been hop, up hadif and then beating. Women
[2:45:29] Speaker 3: and what happens is one of his friends comes up
[2:45:30] Speaker 3: to him and, tells, him, oh Messenger, lah women have
[2:45:35] Speaker 3: become too, big like, Two what is the Way i'm
[2:45:39] Speaker 3: looking for emboldened against their, husbands so we need to
[2:45:43] Speaker 3: start beating. Them and the profect degrees.
[2:45:47] Speaker 5: Is.
[2:45:47] Speaker 1: Itar but is this what we're?
[2:45:50] Speaker 5: Taught are they taught to beat their wives and the, Place,
[2:45:54] Speaker 5: yes we. Are so you're saying every time you supposed
[2:45:57] Speaker 5: to beat.
[2:45:57] Speaker 3: Your, wife if she's doing if you're, doing if she's
[2:46:02] Speaker 3: doing something that might cause you to be scared of her,
[2:46:05] Speaker 3: disobedience then, YES.
[2:46:09] Speaker 5: I don't. SEE i know one reference of, it but
[2:46:11] Speaker 5: it Didn't it didn't say beat beat her up or
[2:46:13] Speaker 5: anything literally. Might but also you're not allowed to leave
[2:46:17] Speaker 5: a bruise on your wife.
[2:46:18] Speaker 3: Either it is a lie, too you're.
[2:46:21] Speaker 5: ALLOWED i heard like when it comes to, teach there's
[2:46:25] Speaker 5: certain teachers That i've heard from different moms are like
[2:46:29] Speaker 5: hicks and stuff like. That if you cannot assistin to
[2:46:31] Speaker 5: leave a bruise upon your, wife.
[2:46:35] Speaker 3: So go to the would to wind for six and,
[2:46:39] Speaker 3: no you can leave a, bruise you just cannot break
[2:46:41] Speaker 3: an organ or leave a scar.
[2:46:43] Speaker 1: For one to six.
[2:46:45] Speaker 2: For.
[2:46:46] Speaker 3: One, no no it is two one for.
[2:46:48] Speaker 1: Six i'll sorry to one the one for.
[2:46:51] Speaker 3: Six so it's so itself by saying. That but but
[2:46:57] Speaker 3: if it's. It you do not beat lonless, meetings but
[2:47:01] Speaker 3: When i'm working to the messenger of a land, said
[2:47:04] Speaker 3: the women have become emboldant towards their. Husbands he the
[2:47:06] Speaker 3: prophet give permission to beat. Them then many women came
[2:47:12] Speaker 3: around the family against their. Husbands so the messenger of
[2:47:17] Speaker 3: other us, said many women have gone Around mohamed's family
[2:47:20] Speaker 3: complaining about their. Husbands they those husbands who take to
[2:47:24] Speaker 3: beating are not the best among.
[2:47:26] Speaker 5: You say that again the last. Part, sorry.
[2:47:32] Speaker 3: And he, said complaining complaining against their. Husbands they those
[2:47:36] Speaker 3: husbands who have taken who take to beating their, braves
[2:47:39] Speaker 3: are not the best among.
[2:47:40] Speaker 12: You, Right.
[2:47:43] Speaker 5: So he's not promoting beating. People what's the.
[2:47:46] Speaker 1: Point allowing could you read?
[2:47:47] Speaker 5: It, well you say it's not the best among. You
[2:47:50] Speaker 5: people have their, Senses so tell me. This your neighbor
[2:47:57] Speaker 5: is being on his wife and he's. Tent he's your sighs.
[2:48:00] Speaker 5: Doublemost what you're gonna do about?
[2:48:02] Speaker 3: It you, know if you're the prophet of a, law
[2:48:07] Speaker 3: if you're the prophet of a, law you're gonna bring
[2:48:10] Speaker 3: like The gabriel and.
[2:48:11] Speaker 5: Have him like you don't have control of the. Angels
[2:48:14] Speaker 5: he's not.
[2:48:14] Speaker 3: Got actually so we hate.
[2:48:19] Speaker 5: And he did.
[2:48:21] Speaker 3: Not do you sure have you never heard of this
[2:48:24] Speaker 3: story About gabriel when he came to The prophet after
[2:48:26] Speaker 3: he was kicked out Of, medina and he told, him
[2:48:30] Speaker 3: if you wanted me to, Profit i'm going to with
[2:48:33] Speaker 3: my wings push the entire city together between the two
[2:48:36] Speaker 3: mountains the will of a.
[2:48:38] Speaker 5: Law he doesn't.
[2:48:43] Speaker 3: Sure, Again gabriel could have done anything for the, Profet
[2:48:47] Speaker 3: but you're saying, This can we just assume that loves
[2:48:52] Speaker 3: it When i'm, talking so you don't have to. Interrupt
[2:48:56] Speaker 3: it was, assumed.
[2:48:58] Speaker 5: It's already there's.
[2:49:00] Speaker 3: Within, again it's assumed within the. Theology he didn't in
[2:49:06] Speaker 3: the same way that, is oh My, god in the
[2:49:08] Speaker 3: same way WHEN i say the quotan said so and,
[2:49:10] Speaker 3: SO i do not have to say guns said so and.
[2:49:12] Speaker 3: So it's assumed.
[2:49:16] Speaker 5: Given to us like sent down like, this this is
[2:49:18] Speaker 5: his word.
[2:49:20] Speaker 3: True when they see the quoton says so and, so
[2:49:22] Speaker 3: do you have to correct me and see the guns
[2:49:23] Speaker 3: so and.
[2:49:23] Speaker 5: So to say What i'm. Saying if you're saying, that
[2:49:28] Speaker 5: you keep trying to sound like if you're if you're
[2:49:33] Speaker 5: bringing up beaten wise and you're talking about the, prophet
[2:49:36] Speaker 5: he didn't endorse. This you're telling me that he said
[2:49:38] Speaker 5: that it was wrong?
[2:49:40] Speaker 3: Accurate you, know you, know you know it's. Funny you,
[2:49:41] Speaker 3: know he didn't say it's. Wrong he's not.
[2:49:44] Speaker 5: Strong so if he's say you're among the best of,
[2:49:46] Speaker 5: people is he saying that it's.
[2:49:48] Speaker 3: Good for, it but it's not the. Best but it's
[2:49:54] Speaker 3: not the, best especially since he especially since he himself
[2:49:58] Speaker 3: to beat his.
[2:49:59] Speaker 5: Wife he didn't the prophet didn't beat his. Wife THAT.
[2:50:08] Speaker 3: I should let me quit on the. Screen hold.
[2:50:11] Speaker 1: On you, know even The koran says you can beat your.
[2:50:14] Speaker 1: Wife you know, that? RIGHT i guess she doesn't know.
[2:50:28] Speaker 1: It men are the caretakers of, women as men have
[2:50:44] Speaker 1: been provisioned By allah over women and tasks with supporting them.
[2:50:47] Speaker 1: Financially and righteous women are devoutly obedient when, alone protective
[2:50:52] Speaker 1: of What allah has entrusted them. With and if you
[2:50:55] Speaker 1: sense ill conduct from your, women advise them. First if they,
[2:50:59] Speaker 1: persist do not share their. Beds if they still, persist
[2:51:03] Speaker 1: then discipline discipline them again gently added to The english
[2:51:08] Speaker 1: text because it's not in The arabic. Text discipline them.
[2:51:12] Speaker 5: For the final description the terms into either strike or
[2:51:16] Speaker 5: discipline that can be many different.
[2:51:19] Speaker 1: Things, no, no, no.
[2:51:21] Speaker 3: No The arabic, word which literally means beat them.
[2:51:26] Speaker 7: UP i need some proof on.
[2:51:29] Speaker 5: THAT i never had, anybody just proof.
[2:51:33] Speaker 3: True literally every single. Lexicon if it.
[2:51:37] Speaker 5: Said beat them? Up why does it not say that
[2:51:38] Speaker 5: in in The?
[2:51:39] Speaker 1: Quran it it does not In english because The english
[2:51:43] Speaker 1: translation is lying to.
[2:51:45] Speaker 3: You so do you see the this Is muslim nine
[2:51:51] Speaker 3: seven four POINTS b what can we?
[2:51:53] Speaker 2: Do you go?
[2:51:54] Speaker 3: Through and sus mhm and this and this is everything a?
[2:52:03] Speaker 3: Story did Marry?
[2:52:04] Speaker 5: Muslim, Actually i'm, Sorry i'm like going to one of
[2:52:07] Speaker 5: the COMMENTS i did Marry. No let me actually to.
[2:52:11] Speaker 1: Be, clear if you go to uh one one, second
[2:52:14] Speaker 1: let ME i want before we lose track of this.
[2:52:17] Speaker 1: Verse if you go to the online translation On kuran dot,
[2:52:22] Speaker 1: com it says and finally or it says to strike.
[2:52:25] Speaker 1: Them that's what The arabic, means to strike.
[2:52:28] Speaker 5: Them go, Ahead but does it tell you go straight
[2:52:31] Speaker 5: to that or does that mean did they?
[2:52:32] Speaker 2: Take?
[2:52:33] Speaker 1: It doesn't matter if you go straight to it or.
[2:52:35] Speaker 1: Not you're allowed.
[2:52:36] Speaker 3: TO i just can you just show? This so this
[2:52:39] Speaker 3: is a story About, asa when she when she, went
[2:52:44] Speaker 3: when she went and funded the proof outside of the
[2:52:47] Speaker 3: house and then trying to learn about, it and then
[2:52:50] Speaker 3: the proof it's it was it the darkness of your
[2:52:52] Speaker 3: schedule that is still in front of, me and then, says,
[2:52:55] Speaker 3: yes he struck me on the, chist which comes me feet.
[2:53:00] Speaker 3: Mkay and the record that is used usually means by
[2:53:04] Speaker 3: the collection of the. Fist so imagine a man collicks
[2:53:07] Speaker 3: his fist up and then shoves it into your, chest
[2:53:11] Speaker 3: which caused me. Pain SO i guess the proof of.
[2:53:16] Speaker 3: Himself according to, himself he's not the best among.
[2:53:19] Speaker 5: Us he said he came in and see that, AGAIN
[2:53:28] Speaker 5: i didn't see where it said he hit? Her is
[2:53:30] Speaker 5: that he came in and they were talking about, it,
[2:53:32] Speaker 5: like why are you out of?
[2:53:33] Speaker 3: Bracket? Okay it put me on the screen again because
[2:53:36] Speaker 3: she didn't reat.
[2:53:37] Speaker 1: It where where where CAN i find that staging pat
[2:53:40] Speaker 1: on the?
[2:53:40] Speaker 3: Screen the problem is the problem is you you, know
[2:53:43] Speaker 3: find translations which tell you that tis WHICH i.
[2:53:46] Speaker 1: Felt let me expand your, okay but does it say
[2:53:50] Speaker 1: that's for the best?
[2:53:51] Speaker 5: People does the?
[2:53:52] Speaker 3: Same could you read? It could you read?
[2:53:54] Speaker 4: It?
[2:53:54] Speaker 5: Okay and as they laid, down And, dad he the
[2:53:58] Speaker 5: old holy, prophet entered the, house he, said why is?
[2:54:01] Speaker 2: It?
[2:54:01] Speaker 5: Oh he said that you're out of. BREATH i, said there's.
[2:54:03] Speaker 5: Nothing he, said tell, me or a, subtle subtle and
[2:54:08] Speaker 5: aware would inform. ME i, Said messenger Of, allah may my,
[2:54:12] Speaker 5: father my mother be ransom to. You and THEN i
[2:54:14] Speaker 5: told him the whole. Story he, Said he, said was
[2:54:18] Speaker 5: it the darkness of your shadow THAT i saw in
[2:54:20] Speaker 5: front of? ME i said, yes. Yes he struck me
[2:54:23] Speaker 5: on my chest and caused me. Pain do you think
[2:54:25] Speaker 5: That allah in his apostles would deal with you on?
[2:54:29] Speaker 5: Justly she, said? Whatsoever the PEOPLE i can't see like
[2:54:35] Speaker 5: as these people's like? Comments are?
[2:54:37] Speaker 3: You are you read the important? Point? Okay he struck
[2:54:43] Speaker 3: me on the, chist which coves me. Pain so now
[2:54:45] Speaker 3: we have the quaro on singing that the prophet is
[2:54:47] Speaker 3: the best of, people and then we have the profit
[2:54:49] Speaker 3: saying he's not the best of. People so which is?
[2:54:51] Speaker 1: It and you got to send me a link to.
[2:54:54] Speaker 1: That in the, discord we'll talk about.
[2:54:55] Speaker 5: This MAYBE i didn't just. Dinner you're, right but it
[2:55:00] Speaker 5: sounds like she's telling him that somebody hit. HER i
[2:55:05] Speaker 5: didn't see where it said that hit.
[2:55:07] Speaker 7: Her no no no no no no no no no
[2:55:09] Speaker 7: no no no.
[2:55:10] Speaker 3: No they're in their household you're seeing there's another man
[2:55:13] Speaker 3: with the ice in her.
[2:55:14] Speaker 5: Home she said that, no their holender bedder bed it
[2:55:21] Speaker 5: said that he entered the. Home that means he wasn't.
[2:55:23] Speaker 3: There, yes the story was that the te lift and
[2:55:28] Speaker 3: then she started explaining on him on stalking him to
[2:55:31] Speaker 3: see where he's. Going in the, text it's the biggest
[2:55:35] Speaker 3: fucking should you have answer.
[2:55:37] Speaker 5: IT i just read. IT i didn't see anything about.
[2:55:40] Speaker 3: That because it's it's the wrist of they on. Top,
[2:55:44] Speaker 3: OKAY i STILL i still.
[2:55:46] Speaker 5: STILL i still feel like when we're looking at it
[2:55:49] Speaker 5: and you're, saying, oh somebody hit somebody and whatever.
[2:55:53] Speaker 3: That words, somebody it is not. Somebody it literally sus
[2:56:00] Speaker 3: into the profee multiple.
[2:56:01] Speaker 5: Things you're, saying somebody else got, hit and then they
[2:56:03] Speaker 5: came to the.
[2:56:03] Speaker 3: Problem nobody got. Hit nobody got. Hit it Was isa
[2:56:07] Speaker 3: who got. It asia was.
[2:56:09] Speaker 5: Hit we're also talking about another couple where the wife
[2:56:12] Speaker 5: came to The.
[2:56:13] Speaker 3: I'm giving you examples of the profit seeing a domestic
[2:56:16] Speaker 3: abuse and never mentioning anything about.
[2:56:18] Speaker 5: IT i get, that but where where are where is
[2:56:22] Speaker 5: the hadid the crime is promoting this violence and say
[2:56:24] Speaker 5: oh this is, right you should do. This they deserve.
[2:56:26] Speaker 5: This where are you seeing? This they tell you to communicate,
[2:56:29] Speaker 5: first separate yourself.
[2:56:31] Speaker 3: First okay did the profect communicate first? Year? Okay? Okay
[2:56:33] Speaker 3: did the profit communicate first?
[2:56:35] Speaker 5: YEAR i don't.
[2:56:36] Speaker 1: KNOW i didn't.
[2:56:37] Speaker 3: Know he, didn't sure he. Didn't the answer was that
[2:56:40] Speaker 3: you were resenting to when she. Said when she, said,
[2:56:42] Speaker 3: yes it was, me he literally went to, socer punching
[2:56:44] Speaker 3: her in the Gest where.
[2:56:46] Speaker 5: Did he say? That he just went in, there.
[2:56:50] Speaker 3: Which means the the severe striking by the collection of the.
[2:56:53] Speaker 5: Fist, okay whatever you, Say i'm Not i'm not really sure.
[2:56:58] Speaker 1: ABOUT i got to hadith right here right it Says
[2:57:03] Speaker 1: messenger Of, Allah may my father and mother be ransom for.
[2:57:07] Speaker 1: You and then he told him the whole. Story he,
[2:57:09] Speaker 1: said was it the darkness of your shadow THAT i
[2:57:12] Speaker 1: saw in front of? Me he said. Yes he gave
[2:57:15] Speaker 1: me a, nudge a nudge on the chest WHICH i felt,
[2:57:19] Speaker 1: Then and then, said did you think That allah and
[2:57:22] Speaker 1: his apostle would deal unjustly with?
[2:57:24] Speaker 3: You but so?
[2:57:25] Speaker 1: Forth so this is The messenger doing. It The messenger
[2:57:30] Speaker 1: struck her on the.
[2:57:30] Speaker 5: Chest wherever the people Consier allah will know, it he.
[2:57:37] Speaker 5: Said grabyriau came to me when you saw. Me he
[2:57:39] Speaker 5: called me and concealed it from. YOU i respond to this.
[2:57:44] Speaker 3: Call so she. Was the funny thing is she.
[2:57:49] Speaker 5: WAS i don't really understand. THAT i can't. COMBAT i,
[2:57:51] Speaker 5: mean but, yeah if that's what, IS i don't. Know
[2:57:53] Speaker 5: but my main thing is Is lim in. General the.
[2:57:55] Speaker 5: Teaching it didn't say go go out and beat your.
[2:57:58] Speaker 5: Wives and we're talking about we.
[2:58:00] Speaker 1: Didn't we didn't say. That what we said is that
[2:58:03] Speaker 1: it allows you make your.
[2:58:04] Speaker 5: Wife they also allow you to have four. Wives but
[2:58:09] Speaker 5: it also says they push against it that you shouldn't
[2:58:11] Speaker 5: have four.
[2:58:12] Speaker 3: Wives no, no no no no no no no no.
[2:58:14] Speaker 3: No the the the the nature of marriage is fully
[2:58:19] Speaker 3: give me In. Islam this is why it. Is this
[2:58:22] Speaker 3: is why it is in in four three. Exists So
[2:58:24] Speaker 3: mary of The woman, two three and. Four but if
[2:58:27] Speaker 3: you are any unable to then marry.
[2:58:29] Speaker 5: One, okay, yes it's promoting, one you know it is.
[2:58:32] Speaker 3: Not the, schoolars the best majority of them agree that
[2:58:39] Speaker 3: the nature of a man is to have multiple. Wives
[2:58:42] Speaker 3: this is why it says The mary of the. Women
[2:58:44] Speaker 3: it says it gives you a command.
[2:58:46] Speaker 5: That all has said you should only have.
[2:58:48] Speaker 3: One than the one who has. One the person who
[2:58:51] Speaker 3: has one is the person who cannot fulfill the fulfill
[2:58:54] Speaker 3: the justice between, said it is just. Justice it's. Just
[2:59:00] Speaker 3: if you don't be, just if you cannot be, just
[2:59:03] Speaker 3: then we'll stick to. One but if you weren't, just
[2:59:06] Speaker 3: if you weren't.
[2:59:07] Speaker 5: Just better for, you that's the. Translation, no, no, no
[2:59:10] Speaker 5: it doesn't see that it is better for. You it's
[2:59:15] Speaker 5: better for. You if you cannot, just it's better.
[2:59:17] Speaker 1: For you to have just.
[2:59:18] Speaker 3: One use so if you, can it is better for
[2:59:20] Speaker 3: you to have.
[2:59:20] Speaker 5: More, exactly it's not you should have four. Wives that's
[2:59:24] Speaker 5: like the best thing you can do for yourself.
[2:59:25] Speaker 1: If you, Can if you, can it's better to have
[2:59:28] Speaker 1: more Of what the.
[2:59:29] Speaker 5: Prior criteria is to have more than one?
[2:59:31] Speaker 3: Wife what is the?
[2:59:34] Speaker 5: Criteria, yes that's. One what's the other criteria for having
[2:59:38] Speaker 5: more than one?
[2:59:39] Speaker 3: Wife you go ahead into the.
[2:59:40] Speaker 5: Stability it's first is you got to be able to
[2:59:44] Speaker 5: financially provide for both of them. Equally so if you
[2:59:46] Speaker 5: buy one person the, house you have to buy the
[2:59:48] Speaker 5: other wife a. House if you buy one a, car
[2:59:49] Speaker 5: you have to buy the other one a. Car if
[2:59:51] Speaker 5: you have two, wives you have to spend time with
[2:59:53] Speaker 5: each of them, equally so.
[2:59:54] Speaker 1: You don't.
[2:59:57] Speaker 3: Everything still. There it's just a. Second could you bring, up,
[3:00:02] Speaker 3: yeah just dim bring up mm, hmmm let me look at.
[3:00:05] Speaker 1: It which one.
[3:00:11] Speaker 3: It is for? Sevilated all?
[3:00:19] Speaker 14: Right so.
[3:00:25] Speaker 3: The context of, this just tell me if it's, so
[3:00:28] Speaker 3: if you find this. Hilarious so the prophet used to
[3:00:32] Speaker 3: like give each of his wives one night so he
[3:00:35] Speaker 3: would like roote it around. Them but then he wanted
[3:00:38] Speaker 3: to just skip some of the turns and go to
[3:00:40] Speaker 3: his favorite. Wives So, God god himself in the heavens
[3:00:45] Speaker 3: starts talking and, saying, Oh, prophet find you can skip
[3:00:49] Speaker 3: the turns of the wives you. Want and Then naisha
[3:00:54] Speaker 3: was so it was shot by, this Said, jesus could
[3:00:56] Speaker 3: you read?
[3:00:56] Speaker 1: IT i said, You, omaham it can postpone the turn
[3:01:01] Speaker 1: of whom you, will of them your, wives and you
[3:01:05] Speaker 1: may receive any of them whom you, Will and there's
[3:01:08] Speaker 1: no blame on you if you invite one whose turn
[3:01:11] Speaker 1: you have set. Aside, TEMPORARILY i said to the, PROPHET
[3:01:15] Speaker 1: i feel that Your lord hastens your fulfilling and your
[3:01:19] Speaker 1: wishes and. Desires so, yeah he Tells, mohammad you don't
[3:01:22] Speaker 1: have to boink all your wives at the same.
[3:01:25] Speaker 5: Pace you can not apply to the moment As, muhammad
[3:01:31] Speaker 5: as the, prophet did not have those bounds of the
[3:01:33] Speaker 5: Rules i'm talking. About so it's not it's not relative
[3:01:39] Speaker 5: when it came to.
[3:01:40] Speaker 1: Profit that's what the word relative. Means so the word
[3:01:44] Speaker 1: relative means something applies differently per. Person the relative means
[3:01:51] Speaker 1: that it's different for, individuals if not, universal which means
[3:01:56] Speaker 1: you don't believe in objective, morals which is what we started.
[3:01:58] Speaker 1: With you believe in relative morals.
[3:02:00] Speaker 3: And proof.
[3:02:03] Speaker 5: Everywhere else is. Universal.
[3:02:06] Speaker 3: Yeah my problem just is, that like you would expect
[3:02:09] Speaker 3: an exception to be meet for a good, reason but
[3:02:12] Speaker 3: the exception here was. Meat so he can flick whoever he,
[3:02:14] Speaker 3: wants whenever he.
[3:02:15] Speaker 5: Wants it's not about.
[3:02:17] Speaker 1: It, definitely definitely was about. Sex that's why he married.
[3:02:21] Speaker 1: It that's why he married a little. Girl and he
[3:02:23] Speaker 1: married a little girl because it certainly was about.
[3:02:26] Speaker 5: Sex it wasn't it was in back in time to form.
[3:02:30] Speaker 5: Alliances he was through.
[3:02:32] Speaker 1: Marriage that's called relative morals. Then if it was okay back,
[3:02:37] Speaker 1: then but it's not okay, today that's Relative. Marris you
[3:02:40] Speaker 1: don't have objective.
[3:02:42] Speaker 3: MORALS i didn't teach you The koran did not, sugar
[3:02:47] Speaker 3: could you sugar to? Succeed?
[3:02:49] Speaker 5: Yeah, Yeah hold, on where does The quran teach to
[3:02:52] Speaker 5: young young people? Nowhere teach them what to teach to
[3:02:58] Speaker 5: marry young people nowhere to go easy.
[3:03:01] Speaker 3: Easy it isn't four and sixty five.
[3:03:03] Speaker 5: Four it says merry young.
[3:03:05] Speaker 3: Kids it isn't in fourty three that if you're unable
[3:03:08] Speaker 3: to be feared to the orphan and orphan is a
[3:03:10] Speaker 3: preepeople sing, girl then maybe the from the women don't have?
[3:03:14] Speaker 5: Parents it has nothing there no, no, no, no, no,
[3:03:16] Speaker 5: no no no.
[3:03:17] Speaker 2: No in is.
[3:03:17] Speaker 3: Slim it is. Slim, specifically an orphan is a person
[3:03:20] Speaker 3: who has lost his experience in this blue age of.
[3:03:22] Speaker 3: Puberty who said that himself the broom fit, himself the
[3:03:26] Speaker 3: proof of himself said.
[3:03:27] Speaker 2: That.
[3:03:29] Speaker 5: So if you're over over the age of, eighteen you
[3:03:31] Speaker 5: don't have, parents you're not at work.
[3:03:32] Speaker 3: HIM i know you're. Not oh, wow, okay is your
[3:03:36] Speaker 3: is your grandparent?
[3:03:37] Speaker 4: Orphan?
[3:03:39] Speaker 5: No they had he has both his.
[3:03:41] Speaker 3: Parents are his parents? Orphans?
[3:03:45] Speaker 5: OH i don't?
[3:03:46] Speaker 3: Know is? Whoever like Is Donald trump and?
[3:03:51] Speaker 5: Worpin if you don't have, parents, yes so literally is
[3:03:55] Speaker 5: the eighty is an orphan you don't have, PARENT i
[3:04:00] Speaker 5: take it out of, Sure i'm just gonna stick to.
[3:04:02] Speaker 1: You, yeah words are words are. Hard so even In,
[3:04:07] Speaker 1: english an orphan refers to somebody who is not an
[3:04:10] Speaker 1: adult who doesn't have their. Parents, like so my dad has,
[3:04:13] Speaker 1: passed and when my mother, PASSES i still won't be
[3:04:16] Speaker 1: an orphan Because i'm a full grown.
[3:04:17] Speaker 5: Adult, okay where does it tell us the fuck little?
[3:04:22] Speaker 1: Kids you can divorce? Them i'm, sorry do you think.
[3:04:26] Speaker 11: You know you?
[3:04:27] Speaker 3: Can you cany the bruce? Itself if you sw it
[3:04:31] Speaker 3: with thirty three fifty nine it says you. Can i'm
[3:04:35] Speaker 3: gonna do you know? Who the argument? Interesting m, Hmm,
[3:04:40] Speaker 3: okay we're getting into. It but this is for, spirit
[3:04:44] Speaker 3: as you, said it is about.
[3:04:45] Speaker 5: Six, okay, Yes like when it comes to could you read.
[3:04:49] Speaker 1: It, please it says and it's been Uh molik. Said
[3:04:54] Speaker 1: the prophet used to visit all his wives in a
[3:04:57] Speaker 1: round during the day and. Night they were eleven in.
[3:04:59] Speaker 1: NUMBER i, asked anna had the prophet the strength for?
[3:05:02] Speaker 1: It and, replied we used to say that the prophet
[3:05:05] Speaker 1: was given the strength of thirty, men and said on
[3:05:09] Speaker 1: the authority Of, katata And annis told him about nine
[3:05:13] Speaker 1: wives only not. Eleven so, yeah it is about. Sex
[3:05:16] Speaker 1: he's got the sexual prowess of thirty.
[3:05:18] Speaker 5: Men, okay that's a part of marriage in some, cases
[3:05:23] Speaker 5: like but and he also married was about sex then
[3:05:26] Speaker 5: he Also, okay that's a part of. Marriage that's. Fine
[3:05:30] Speaker 5: but also he also married to shelter, women women that
[3:05:34] Speaker 5: had lost their, Son like what's it called lost their?
[3:05:38] Speaker 3: Husbandets wait there when he went, Toe, yeah whill did
[3:05:43] Speaker 3: she lose her?
[3:05:43] Speaker 5: Husband?
[3:05:44] Speaker 3: Really the wave's proof it Did jewish wayfil the prophet
[3:05:49] Speaker 3: he did she lose her?
[3:05:50] Speaker 5: HUSBAND i don't. Know i'm talking he killed.
[3:05:54] Speaker 3: Him he killed. Him i'm telling you the proof he
[3:05:57] Speaker 3: killed him and did married his.
[3:05:58] Speaker 5: Wife but why did he Kill that's wild because he
[3:06:02] Speaker 5: was being.
[3:06:02] Speaker 3: Attacked don't, know he wasn't being he was not being.
[3:06:05] Speaker 3: Attacked then the. Costs this is a very very like
[3:06:12] Speaker 3: famous instance at which the prophet was the. Aggressor he
[3:06:17] Speaker 3: went to the, troy their actual trying after whom he
[3:06:21] Speaker 3: infe them and Didn't one of the, STAYS i can
[3:06:24] Speaker 3: chew with, you even, pulished even a polished To, sophia
[3:06:27] Speaker 3: we have like narrations of the prophet where she says
[3:06:30] Speaker 3: that the prophet used to pulish ze to me for
[3:06:32] Speaker 3: what he did to my dad and my.
[3:06:33] Speaker 5: Husband of, course taking it doesn't matter if they're on
[3:06:37] Speaker 5: the wrong side of history or what's it called aggressors
[3:06:41] Speaker 5: or anything you. Were you will feel bad for taking
[3:06:43] Speaker 5: away somebody's. Family it doesn't matter if they were in
[3:06:45] Speaker 5: the wrong or.
[3:06:46] Speaker 1: Not, mohammed where did they just where.
[3:06:49] Speaker 5: Did they just randomly kill a man for no? Reason
[3:06:53] Speaker 5: what the cause that?
[3:06:54] Speaker 1: Was that wasn't the claim.
[3:06:57] Speaker 5: He's saying, That, oh he killed the husband of the
[3:07:01] Speaker 5: lady he.
[3:07:02] Speaker 1: Married i'm, like, oh did he say anything about? Reason
[3:07:07] Speaker 1: because you keep you keep adding to his. Claim he
[3:07:10] Speaker 1: didn't claim anything about.
[3:07:11] Speaker 5: Reasons reasons are What i'm talking. About the whole point
[3:07:15] Speaker 5: is that my.
[3:07:16] Speaker 1: Point he didn't bring up reasons at all in his.
[3:07:19] Speaker 1: Claim you added that to his.
[3:07:20] Speaker 5: Claim you're, right because the question Is god is. Imaginary
[3:07:24] Speaker 5: but you guys keep talking about the prophet rather Than,
[3:07:26] Speaker 5: god and then you're bringing up how the Prophet i'm
[3:07:29] Speaker 5: think you're trying to evilize him.
[3:07:30] Speaker 1: Or something like what we're doing is. Demonstrated the prophet
[3:07:32] Speaker 1: wasn't hearing From god because he's. Insane how's he insane
[3:07:38] Speaker 1: because they think it's a cad to fuck little. Girls
[3:07:41] Speaker 1: where does it say that his wife was six when
[3:07:45] Speaker 1: they got, married nine when they consummated the. Marriage, okay
[3:07:51] Speaker 1: so do you think do you think nine is a little?
[3:07:53] Speaker 9: Girl?
[3:07:55] Speaker 5: Yes but also do you think do you think that
[3:07:58] Speaker 5: do you think that.
[3:07:58] Speaker 1: Nine year olds are ready to be? Fucked?
[3:08:01] Speaker 2: No he.
[3:08:02] Speaker 1: Waited neither DO. I so that's WHY i think he's a.
[3:08:06] Speaker 1: Pervert your profit is a. Pervert he's a pervert, warlord and.
[3:08:10] Speaker 5: You cannot apply norms of today to a thousand years. Ago, first,
[3:08:14] Speaker 5: well then morals are.
[3:08:15] Speaker 1: RELATIVE i asked you at the beginning of this, story
[3:08:17] Speaker 1: of beginning of this whole, discussion if you think that
[3:08:20] Speaker 1: morals are relative or if they're, objective and you said
[3:08:24] Speaker 1: they're not, relative they are in fact. Objective and if they're,
[3:08:28] Speaker 1: objective that means there aren't special circumstances for your pervert.
[3:08:31] Speaker 1: Profit they either apply universally or they don't apply. Universally
[3:08:36] Speaker 1: nothing about being a prophet Of god means. That, well,
[3:08:39] Speaker 1: actually to be, fair maybe it was better for the,
[3:08:42] Speaker 1: profit maybe had a micro pen and it wasn't quite as.
[3:08:45] Speaker 1: Painful but as far As i'm, aware fucking nine year
[3:08:47] Speaker 1: olds is never. Okay all, right, Listen, SPIRIT i think
[3:08:52] Speaker 1: you've had quite enough for. Today you've been up for
[3:08:54] Speaker 1: almost an hour and a. HALF i had a good.
[3:08:56] Speaker 1: Time even's the kicker she, Left BUT i think IT'S
[3:08:59] Speaker 1: i think it's time to move. ON i think we
[3:09:03] Speaker 1: LOST ms. TEMPORARILY i hope we didn't take.
[3:09:05] Speaker 3: WORK i WAS i, know ACTUALLY i was. GONNA i
[3:09:08] Speaker 3: was just going to, sleep BUT i was bring to
[3:09:11] Speaker 3: give the. Voice so what happened is that she was
[3:09:14] Speaker 3: the chief's voter and then the battle they on life
[3:09:18] Speaker 3: the chief and her, husband and then one of the
[3:09:21] Speaker 3: one of the prophet's, friends took her as a sex.
[3:09:24] Speaker 3: Leave but then they told him, no, no, no, no,
[3:09:26] Speaker 3: no she's too she's too beautiful for. You we're gonna
[3:09:28] Speaker 3: we have to present her to the. Prophet and then
[3:09:31] Speaker 3: the prophet took her on as a sex, leave and
[3:09:32] Speaker 3: then maybe.
[3:09:33] Speaker 1: Her it's CRAZY. Ms i'm building out a koran and
[3:09:37] Speaker 1: hadith tab on the she she we need to connect
[3:09:40] Speaker 1: some time over the coming weeks and build it out
[3:09:46] Speaker 1: as much as we. Can it's it's it's fucking.
[3:09:48] Speaker 3: Crazy CAN i quickly give you the argument for like
[3:09:52] Speaker 3: you to. Consume so open up at sixty five four
[3:09:55] Speaker 3: and thirty three forty.
[3:09:56] Speaker 1: Nine bokari a little in The oh, Sorry i'm, sorry.
[3:10:01] Speaker 3: It's sixty four, right and then thirty three forty.
[3:10:04] Speaker 1: Nine, alright one, second my browsers catching. Up all, right
[3:10:13] Speaker 1: there's sixty five to. Four this is one we talked about,
[3:10:16] Speaker 1: earlier about the waiting period for the. Wives we go one.
[3:10:21] Speaker 3: Thirty three forty.
[3:10:22] Speaker 1: Nine there we. Go oh, yeah, oh, believers if you
[3:10:34] Speaker 1: Marry i'm. Sorry if you marry believing women and then
[3:10:37] Speaker 1: divorce them before you touch, them they will have no
[3:10:40] Speaker 1: waiting period for you to. Count so give them a
[3:10:43] Speaker 1: suitable compensation and let them go. Graciously oh, fuck we have.
[3:10:48] Speaker 3: Established we've established that there is no waiting period if
[3:10:51] Speaker 3: you have not touched. Them so.
[3:10:56] Speaker 1: Crazy, Sorry i'm literally adding this to my cheat sheet
[3:11:01] Speaker 1: as we're. TALKING i Promise i'm.
[3:11:04] Speaker 3: LISTENING i need a cheat cheat because everything the top
[3:11:11] Speaker 3: of my.
[3:11:11] Speaker 1: Head, well, see that's the fun. THING i just hit
[3:11:16] Speaker 1: the wrong. Button try this. Again when you really know the,
[3:11:19] Speaker 1: religion you can do that kind of. Thing that's kind
[3:11:22] Speaker 1: of that's kind of. FUN i get to have A,
[3:11:24] Speaker 1: bible BUT i can't do it with The. Kuran this
[3:11:29] Speaker 1: is it is a crazy passage.
[3:11:32] Speaker 3: If you want To, so do you understand the argument
[3:11:35] Speaker 3: now that you can?
[3:11:35] Speaker 1: Live, yeah this is this is an amazing. Argument by the,
[3:11:39] Speaker 1: WAY i can't BELIEVE i didn't pick this out sooner
[3:11:43] Speaker 1: BECAUSE i think you've brought it up before and it
[3:11:45] Speaker 1: just went over my. Head but so, basically if you're
[3:11:49] Speaker 1: married to a young girl prepebescent and you divorce, her
[3:11:52] Speaker 1: you have to have a waiting period unless you didn't
[3:11:55] Speaker 1: sleep with. Her if you didn't sleep with, her there's
[3:11:57] Speaker 1: no waiting.
[3:11:58] Speaker 3: Period so we know that a lot of there is
[3:12:02] Speaker 3: no ones because A muslim might tell you that it
[3:12:05] Speaker 3: is not just if you have touched. Her if you've
[3:12:09] Speaker 3: if you've been alone in a, room then there there's
[3:12:12] Speaker 3: a possibility in which you could have had intercourse and
[3:12:15] Speaker 3: there's no witness to see that you. Didn't then the
[3:12:17] Speaker 3: wedding period also allowed it like. Applies oh but again
[3:12:21] Speaker 3: like they usually they usually like a playoff the tingle
[3:12:24] Speaker 3: that say that since even just being alone is enough
[3:12:28] Speaker 3: for a wedding period of a, play then it's not
[3:12:31] Speaker 3: talking about. Sex but, no the reason that it exists
[3:12:34] Speaker 3: even for being even just for being alone without having,
[3:12:36] Speaker 3: intercourses because nobody knows if you did or you. Didn't, right,
[3:12:40] Speaker 3: right like nobody can be a witness to you heaving
[3:12:43] Speaker 3: it or not having. It and one more thing BEFORE
[3:12:45] Speaker 3: i let you, go could you open up a tidy
[3:12:48] Speaker 3: one five six?
[3:12:50] Speaker 5: Eight what was?
[3:12:51] Speaker 1: IT i missed a?
[3:12:53] Speaker 3: Third one five six?
[3:12:55] Speaker 1: Eight i'm not SURE i know what that one? Is
[3:12:57] Speaker 1: how do you spell THAT?
[3:12:59] Speaker 3: T T o r?
[3:13:02] Speaker 1: Oh, okay and then T m.
[3:13:05] Speaker 3: And then AM i mm hmm and then dh?
[3:13:11] Speaker 1: Okay tier? Media what was the?
[3:13:13] Speaker 3: Number once we've at six?
[3:13:18] Speaker 1: Eight, oh that one's not on. Soon let me try.
[3:13:28] Speaker 1: These oh MAYBE i didn't spell it. RIGHT i, try,
[3:13:33] Speaker 1: okay jimmy Att oh it's one, word, okay fifteen eighty
[3:13:38] Speaker 1: six on military. Expeditions let me get it on the.
[3:13:41] Speaker 3: Screen at least he's telling you what to do with like.
[3:13:44] Speaker 3: Captives so the.
[3:13:46] Speaker 1: Prompsum the prophet ransom two men for The muslims with
[3:13:50] Speaker 1: a man from the. Idolators this hidith Is Hassan, sahi
[3:13:56] Speaker 1: the paternal uncle Of abdu Al. Muhala, oh this is all,
[3:14:02] Speaker 1: okay here's the good stuff done, here isn't?
[3:14:04] Speaker 3: It oh it's, Yeah i'm just seeing like when you
[3:14:08] Speaker 3: have a, name that's to see name of something.
[3:14:11] Speaker 1: Is because it's not. Important, okay this has acted. Upon
[3:14:16] Speaker 1: according to the most of the people of, knowledge among
[3:14:19] Speaker 1: the companions of the prophet and, others it is for
[3:14:23] Speaker 1: The imam to decide to be generous with whom he
[3:14:25] Speaker 1: wills among the, captives or to kill whom he wills among,
[3:14:29] Speaker 1: them or to ransom who he wills among. Them some
[3:14:31] Speaker 1: of the people of knowledge preferred killing over. Ransoming holy,
[3:14:35] Speaker 1: shit how much SHOULD i?
[3:14:39] Speaker 3: Read the wrist also talks about like but it's just,
[3:14:44] Speaker 3: yeah here they.
[3:14:46] Speaker 1: Are when the captives are, captured is killing or ransoming
[3:14:49] Speaker 1: better to? You he, Said if they are able to,
[3:14:51] Speaker 1: ransom there is no harm in. It if they, KILL
[3:14:54] Speaker 1: i do not know of any harm in. It wiping
[3:14:57] Speaker 1: them out is better to. Me unless it is someone
[3:15:01] Speaker 1: well known so that it has hoped that a large
[3:15:03] Speaker 1: amount will be obtained for. Him so this is basically,
[3:15:06] Speaker 1: genocide right pretty? Much, yes that's. CRAZY i got to
[3:15:14] Speaker 1: add that to the cheat sheet. Too that's.
[3:15:17] Speaker 3: Crazy i'm going to be. DROOPING i thank you for
[3:15:20] Speaker 3: having me and thanks for the.
[3:15:22] Speaker 1: Shares thanks so, much, MAN i really appreciate what you
[3:15:26] Speaker 1: do in this. Community there's literally nobody like you in this.
[3:15:29] Speaker 1: Community You're you're one in a, billion.
[3:15:31] Speaker 3: BUDDY i think you appreciate. THAT i hope the goodness
[3:15:34] Speaker 3: of your. Life i'm gonna, leave go to.
[3:15:35] Speaker 1: Sleep, duds, friend sleep, well get SOME ws for m's
[3:15:40] Speaker 1: up in. Here what a crazy. Ride we don't get
[3:15:44] Speaker 1: to talk To muslims often, enough but when we, do holy,
[3:15:49] Speaker 1: shit does it get, fun especially WHEN ems gets to show.
[3:15:52] Speaker 1: Up i'm gonna grab a couple of super chats that
[3:15:55] Speaker 1: we're going to get another guests in. HERE i skin
[3:15:59] Speaker 1: thank you for the the, dollar super, CHET i super
[3:16:02] Speaker 1: super appreciate.
[3:16:03] Speaker 2: That.
[3:16:03] Speaker 1: Friend the huge w. Says have you mentioned to any
[3:16:05] Speaker 1: of the colors about the research done that shows in
[3:16:08] Speaker 1: the past five thousand years all religions have killed over
[3:16:10] Speaker 1: one hundred million people in the name Of god d
[3:16:14] Speaker 1: one to show in the last five thousand years all
[3:16:16] Speaker 1: religions have been. Responsible So i've talked about this quite a,
[3:16:19] Speaker 1: bit about how almost all ancient wars were some sort
[3:16:23] Speaker 1: of holy. War callers don't like. That they'll point to ridiculous.
[3:16:29] Speaker 1: Concepts there was a guy that wrote a book on
[3:16:31] Speaker 1: an apologetic book on, this claiming that that wasn't the,
[3:16:34] Speaker 1: case but we know it's the. Case in, fact most
[3:16:36] Speaker 1: of the medieval wars In europe of religious. Nature all
[3:16:39] Speaker 1: of the Ancient assyrian wars were the Baby babylonian wars,
[3:16:43] Speaker 1: were The jewish wars Were all of the ancient wars
[3:16:46] Speaker 1: were dictated by the supposed gods of the. Nations so
[3:16:51] Speaker 1: AND O, da thank you so much for the fifty, dollars.
[3:16:55] Speaker 1: Superchat huge w my. FRIEND i appreciate, that because do
[3:16:59] Speaker 1: you have any guesses as to why The judean scribes
[3:17:01] Speaker 1: never really addressed the results Of necho two's regime change
[3:17:05] Speaker 1: operation Against josiah Of. Judah, well so the question you
[3:17:09] Speaker 1: have to ask yourself is what did they know at
[3:17:14] Speaker 1: the time it was? Written because remember we're talking about
[3:17:16] Speaker 1: comparing kings and, chronicles and unfortunately they were written so
[3:17:20] Speaker 1: far after the. Fact trying to answer the question of
[3:17:24] Speaker 1: what did they know at the time they were, writing
[3:17:27] Speaker 1: it's hard to. Say what we do know is if
[3:17:30] Speaker 1: you take the writings From egypt and compare the campaign
[3:17:34] Speaker 1: Of necho with what we find in The, bible it's
[3:17:37] Speaker 1: not really the. Same But i've read enough of the
[3:17:40] Speaker 1: Ancient Near eastern war accounts that cross over with the
[3:17:43] Speaker 1: biblical war. Accounts And i've seen enough for the difference
[3:17:46] Speaker 1: to know that here's typically where they. Differ they typically
[3:17:49] Speaker 1: differ in that everyone tells their story in a way
[3:17:53] Speaker 1: that is favorable to. Them so there are stories, where
[3:17:57] Speaker 1: like The war Of hezekiah is completely downplayed in The,
[3:18:02] Speaker 1: bible and when you read it in The babylonian account
[3:18:07] Speaker 1: it's much, different or actually The assyrian account it's much. Different.
[3:18:10] Speaker 1: Right so the reason why you see some of these
[3:18:14] Speaker 1: nuances where the story might differ but only in slight,
[3:18:17] Speaker 1: pieces is because they're trying to usually downplay like how
[3:18:22] Speaker 1: fucked up they got by the opposing army still attacks a.
[3:18:26] Speaker 1: Bit good to see you, tonight my. Friend thank you
[3:18:27] Speaker 1: so much for the twenty Dollars canadian, chests says a
[3:18:29] Speaker 1: tongue in Cheek genesis To Revelation, Bible god is disappointed
[3:18:33] Speaker 1: in you By Mark, russell cartoons By Sharon, wheeler every
[3:18:37] Speaker 1: book condensed down to a few pages and stripped of
[3:18:39] Speaker 1: our cane. Language. HILARIOUS i mean that really is the
[3:18:43] Speaker 1: point of The. Bible is you fucked? Up god's? Mad
[3:18:47] Speaker 1: now watch? Out watch? Out And william think you between
[3:18:50] Speaker 1: Our superjests says Every SUNDAY i bring my friend to
[3:18:53] Speaker 1: choir practice for a concert they gave Every december to
[3:18:57] Speaker 1: Perform Handles. Messiah it has become a ritual for us
[3:18:59] Speaker 1: to listen to you on our way home Each sunday
[3:19:02] Speaker 1: is an irony of. EXTREME i love. IT i love, It,
[3:19:05] Speaker 1: William but, Listen i'd go Watch Handle's. MESSIAH i mean it's.
[3:19:09] Speaker 1: Listen it's a popular work in. History like. It it
[3:19:13] Speaker 1: deserves a little bit of credit for the, masterpiece you,
[3:19:17] Speaker 1: know the musical masterpiece as it, is you know WHAT i,
[3:19:20] Speaker 1: mean even though you know it's religious in. Nature all,
[3:19:24] Speaker 1: right let's get our next guest in here and we'll
[3:19:29] Speaker 1: keep the conversation. GOING i think It's Josh wecom And
[3:19:32] Speaker 1: josh are at least. Eighteen and do you believe In?
[3:19:34] Speaker 7: God, HEY i mean, teen AND i believe In god?
[3:19:38] Speaker 1: Awesome and which version Of jesus do you believe?
[3:19:41] Speaker 7: In which version Of jesus.
[3:19:46] Speaker 1: The christian? VERSION i guess. YEAH i was just spitball
[3:19:50] Speaker 1: AND i figured that was the. Case so what do
[3:19:52] Speaker 1: you think is the best argument or evans for The
[3:19:55] Speaker 1: Christian god being?
[3:19:56] Speaker 2: Real?
[3:19:58] Speaker 15: WELL i guess the first THING i would start off by,
[3:20:00] Speaker 15: saying IS i just want to look at your prompt
[3:20:04] Speaker 15: for a, second and the idea of prove me wrong
[3:20:07] Speaker 15: is kind of interesting to, Me SO i think that
[3:20:10] Speaker 15: whether you.
[3:20:13] Speaker 1: It'd be interesting if you could do.
[3:20:14] Speaker 7: It SO i just want to start with.
[3:20:16] Speaker 15: THAT i think that the idea of Proving god or
[3:20:19] Speaker 15: Disproving god is something that can't really be, done at
[3:20:23] Speaker 15: least not on like a mathematical.
[3:20:25] Speaker 7: Level so for, example we, know, NO.
[3:20:27] Speaker 1: I, agree but can you give?
[3:20:28] Speaker 2: Evidence?
[3:20:29] Speaker 1: Yeah that's What that's What i'm getting.
[3:20:31] Speaker 7: AT i think that what evidence do you have in the?
[3:20:33] Speaker 1: Favor?
[3:20:35] Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, Yeah So i'll get to. THAT i was
[3:20:36] Speaker 7: just going to, SAY i think either side is not
[3:20:39] Speaker 7: accompanied by belief without, Faith SO i think that you
[3:20:41] Speaker 7: have to provide.
[3:20:42] Speaker 1: EVIDENCE a lack of belief in something has nothing to
[3:20:46] Speaker 1: do with, Faith like my lack of belief In god
[3:20:48] Speaker 1: has nothing to do with me having faith in. Anything
[3:20:51] Speaker 1: it's the exact.
[3:20:51] Speaker 7: Opposite you not believing In god is still a belief. System,
[3:20:55] Speaker 7: no it's.
[3:20:55] Speaker 1: Not it's a lack of.
[3:20:56] Speaker 7: Belief, well you would say that you believe there is.
[3:21:00] Speaker 1: Do you do you do you believe that the tooth
[3:21:04] Speaker 1: ory is? Real or do you lack a belief.
[3:21:05] Speaker 4: In the tooth.
[3:21:06] Speaker 7: Theory, NO i believe that there is no tooth.
[3:21:08] Speaker 1: Fairy, okay so are you part of a non tooth fairy?
[3:21:11] Speaker 1: WORLDVIEW i guess you could say, that, Yet, no you
[3:21:16] Speaker 1: just lack of belief in the tooth. Fairy that's. It
[3:21:18] Speaker 1: there's no tooth or a worldview to be a part
[3:21:20] Speaker 1: of or lack.
[3:21:21] Speaker 7: OF i think that either way is a. Belief if
[3:21:24] Speaker 7: if we don't want to agree on, that that's.
[3:21:25] Speaker 1: Fine but it's just it's not.
[3:21:27] Speaker 7: SO i guess the first Thing i'd start off with
[3:21:30] Speaker 7: IS i hold To Old earth.
[3:21:32] Speaker 15: Creationism SO i believe in The Big bang while also
[3:21:34] Speaker 15: believing In, christianity and SO i think there's stronger evidence
[3:21:38] Speaker 15: to support the idea that the universe had a beginning
[3:21:40] Speaker 15: than the. Idea it's the general consensus among. Cosmologists it's actually,
[3:21:47] Speaker 15: Nice yes it. Is you Do google search right, now
[3:21:51] Speaker 15: Quick google.
[3:21:51] Speaker 1: SEARCH i can show you a survey from this.
[3:21:53] Speaker 7: Year, Okay i'd love to see.
[3:21:56] Speaker 4: It.
[3:21:57] Speaker 1: Yeah one, second.
[3:22:01] Speaker 16: Mm.
[3:22:01] Speaker 4: Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm let's See.
[3:22:18] Speaker 1: I'm in the wrong. Chat one, second let me go
[3:22:20] Speaker 1: to the other. Chat it was sent to me quite
[3:22:27] Speaker 1: literally by a physicist who went to a conference and
[3:22:30] Speaker 1: had access to. It you probably know. Him he's popular
[3:22:33] Speaker 1: in TikTok doctor. Blitz doctor blitz uh shared it then
[3:22:37] Speaker 1: with us. Streams yeah, yeah, yeah so let me let
[3:22:41] Speaker 1: me figure out where he shared this.
[3:22:44] Speaker 4: Too mm hmmmm. MMMMMM i think this is What i'm looking.
[3:22:51] Speaker 1: For there we, go and now we're in the right.
[3:22:53] Speaker 1: Place did we pin? It, no BUT i can search for.
[3:22:57] Speaker 4: It let's see what did he call?
[3:23:00] Speaker 11: It?
[3:23:02] Speaker 16: EVENTUALLY i wanted to save this on my. Desktop maybe
[3:23:04] Speaker 16: it is on my. Desktop let me see IF i
[3:23:07] Speaker 16: actually saved it off. Eventually mm hmmm Mmmm, NO i
[3:23:25] Speaker 16: didn't save it.
[3:23:26] Speaker 1: Off it's in our. Chat they'll give me a, Second
[3:23:28] Speaker 1: i'll find.
[3:23:28] Speaker 7: It, yeah.
[3:23:58] Speaker 5: There we.
[3:23:58] Speaker 1: Go. Hope, Sorry i'm got the wrong browser.
[3:24:10] Speaker 4: Open let me put it put the right put it.
[3:24:12] Speaker 5: In the right.
[3:24:13] Speaker 1: Browser. Okay so the survey asks about The Big? Bang
[3:24:27] Speaker 1: in your, opinion how should we understand The Big? Bang
[3:24:31] Speaker 1: let me make it even? Bigger and the first option
[3:24:34] Speaker 1: was an absolute beginning of time with a singularity at its.
[3:24:38] Speaker 1: Start the second answer is an absolute beginning of time
[3:24:40] Speaker 1: without any. Singularity the third is a theory that says
[3:24:43] Speaker 1: the universe evolved from a, hot dense state that says
[3:24:46] Speaker 1: nothing about whether there's an absolute beginning of time or.
[3:24:49] Speaker 1: Not then you had other and then you had some
[3:24:51] Speaker 1: that were of no. Opinion fifty four, votes sixty eight
[3:24:56] Speaker 1: percent of them voted For option, three saying it a
[3:25:00] Speaker 1: theory that says the universe evolved from a, hot dense
[3:25:02] Speaker 1: state that says nothing but whether there was an absolute
[3:25:05] Speaker 1: beginning of time or. Not The Big bang does not
[3:25:09] Speaker 1: posit that it's the beginning of all. Things that might
[3:25:13] Speaker 1: have been true one hundred years, ago it is not
[3:25:15] Speaker 1: remotely true.
[3:25:16] Speaker 15: Today, okay, WELL i still think That god is the
[3:25:19] Speaker 15: reason why there's anything at all rather than.
[3:25:22] Speaker 1: Nothing, Well god would be, something, Right so all you've
[3:25:26] Speaker 1: done is kick the can down the. Road So i'm
[3:25:28] Speaker 1: saying that that something exists because Of god just means
[3:25:32] Speaker 1: the next question, is, well why Does god? Exist?
[3:25:35] Speaker 7: NO i think that we exist LIKE i, exist AND
[3:25:37] Speaker 7: i have a.
[3:25:38] Speaker 15: Cause my parents before, me my parents, existed they had
[3:25:40] Speaker 15: a cause their parents before.
[3:25:42] Speaker 7: Them AND i think if you go down the, line
[3:25:44] Speaker 7: eventually you have to get to.
[3:25:45] Speaker 1: It but there's no first. Cause that's what that's what you,
[3:25:49] Speaker 1: have that's what you have yet to demonstrate right until
[3:25:53] Speaker 1: you can give me some reason WHY i would believe
[3:25:55] Speaker 1: that there was a first CAUSE i have no reason
[3:25:57] Speaker 1: to believe.
[3:25:57] Speaker 7: That so do you believe that the universe is?
[3:26:00] Speaker 1: Infinite then the time or the? Space when you talking about,
[3:26:05] Speaker 1: infinity you have to clarify which one you're referring. TO
[3:26:09] Speaker 1: i don't know if the. UNIVERSE i don't know if
[3:26:11] Speaker 1: the universe is taking up infinite, space BUT i do
[3:26:14] Speaker 1: believe it existed for whatever time is it's existed for
[3:26:19] Speaker 1: infinity of, that there's never been a state in which
[3:26:22] Speaker 1: there was no, uh there was like a. Nothingness there's
[3:26:26] Speaker 1: no such thing as.
[3:26:26] Speaker 15: Nothingness, okay So i'm sure you've thought about, this But
[3:26:30] Speaker 15: i'm curious to hear your.
[3:26:31] Speaker 7: Thoughts how do you deal with entropy in your?
[3:26:33] Speaker 1: VIEW i don't have to deal with it in my.
[3:26:36] Speaker 1: View there's about a dozen ways you can talk about.
[3:26:39] Speaker 1: Entropy entropy is just a property of the.
[3:26:42] Speaker 15: Universe, yeah so there's there's a finite amount of usable
[3:26:46] Speaker 15: energy within the.
[3:26:47] Speaker 7: Universe, oh you certain that.
[3:26:52] Speaker 1: You'd have to. Know you'd have to know for sure
[3:26:54] Speaker 1: if the universe is infinite or not before you can
[3:26:56] Speaker 1: even come close to talking about whether or not the
[3:26:59] Speaker 1: amount of entropy in the universe is. Finite the if
[3:27:03] Speaker 1: the universe is not, finite then entropy is not.
[3:27:05] Speaker 7: Finite, okay explain that because that doesn't make sense to.
[3:27:09] Speaker 1: Me if the universe is not finite means it goes
[3:27:12] Speaker 1: on for infinity and all of the universe is in.
[3:27:15] Speaker 1: Motion that means there's an infinite amount of entropy in the.
[3:27:17] Speaker 1: Universe entropy is the measure of things that are in.
[3:27:23] Speaker 7: Change, no, no, no entropy is the amount of usable
[3:27:27] Speaker 7: energy that's being exhausted over.
[3:27:28] Speaker 1: That that's that's not really a great definition of.
[3:27:31] Speaker 7: Entropy, Okay but over, time the amount of usable energy
[3:27:35] Speaker 7: is used.
[3:27:35] Speaker 1: Up so, no, again that's not the. Case you don't
[3:27:38] Speaker 1: use it. Up it doesn't go, anywhere it doesn't cease to, exist.
[3:27:42] Speaker 7: But it's.
[3:27:43] Speaker 1: Unusable it gets, transferred it doesn't become. Unusable, yeah yes it. Does,
[3:27:47] Speaker 1: no it does.
[3:27:48] Speaker 7: Not, Okay, well this is literally a law of.
[3:27:52] Speaker 15: Physics MAYBE i have a crazy, misunderstanding but from the
[3:27:55] Speaker 15: Research i've, DONE i don't THINK i.
[3:27:56] Speaker 1: DO i don't think you've done any. Research if you
[3:27:58] Speaker 1: didn't even know. That asmologists don't believe The Big bang
[3:28:01] Speaker 1: is the start of all things.
[3:28:03] Speaker 7: WELL i just did a Quick google search.
[3:28:04] Speaker 1: Here if the universe is infinite in, size that means
[3:28:09] Speaker 1: the entropy is infinite in. Size the amount of energy
[3:28:13] Speaker 1: would be infinite in.
[3:28:14] Speaker 7: Size but the that is what you.
[3:28:17] Speaker 1: Said so in order to demonstrate that the entry in
[3:28:20] Speaker 1: the universe is, finite you would have to then find
[3:28:23] Speaker 1: a way to demonstrate that the universe itself is.
[3:28:25] Speaker 7: Finite, no the universe is, expanding and the.
[3:28:29] Speaker 1: Agree, well our observable universe is. Expanding we have no
[3:28:35] Speaker 1: idea what the outside of the observable.
[3:28:37] Speaker 7: Abortion, Right SO i DON'T i don't think that it's
[3:28:40] Speaker 7: it's infinite if we can see it expanding from a single,
[3:28:43] Speaker 7: point you.
[3:28:44] Speaker 1: Have no way to know. That, listen if the universe is,
[3:28:47] Speaker 1: infinite that means our observable universe is just a tiny
[3:28:51] Speaker 1: universe in an infinite number of. Universes just because we
[3:28:55] Speaker 1: can only see a certain distance says nothing about whether
[3:28:59] Speaker 1: or not the universe is infant or.
[3:29:00] Speaker 7: Not so you're talking about multiverse right.
[3:29:02] Speaker 2: Now?
[3:29:02] Speaker 7: Correct, No i'm. Not, well you're talking about something outside
[3:29:06] Speaker 7: of our observable. Universe.
[3:29:08] Speaker 1: Correct if it's outside of our observable, universe it's still the.
[3:29:12] Speaker 1: Universe it's just past what we can.
[3:29:14] Speaker 15: Observe, okay but it's nothing that's, Observable so it's outside
[3:29:18] Speaker 15: of any kind of realm of.
[3:29:19] Speaker 1: Evidence well it's outside the. Evidence, Yeah but, again we
[3:29:24] Speaker 1: have no reason to. Believe we have no reason to
[3:29:26] Speaker 1: believe that there's a, stop there's an end to the.
[3:29:29] Speaker 1: Universe so the Point i'm.
[3:29:31] Speaker 7: Trying to make is that the claim you're making is
[3:29:33] Speaker 7: not based on, evidence and claim making is based on the.
[3:29:36] Speaker 1: Claim what claim HAVE i?
[3:29:37] Speaker 7: Made you're talking about something outside of the observable.
[3:29:41] Speaker 1: UNIVERSE i haven't made a. CLAIM i didn't tell you. That,
[3:29:46] Speaker 1: well that's what you were just talking.
[3:29:47] Speaker 7: About what you.
[3:29:48] Speaker 1: Know What i'm saying is you have to defend your.
[3:29:50] Speaker 1: Claim your claim is that there's a finite amount of
[3:29:54] Speaker 1: energy in the, universe AND i, said before that can be,
[3:29:56] Speaker 1: accepted you have to establish that the universe itself it's.
[3:30:00] Speaker 1: Finite and you can't establish.
[3:30:02] Speaker 15: That SO i think looking at cosmic microwave background, radiation
[3:30:05] Speaker 15: cosmologists can see that everything observable starting from one, point
[3:30:10] Speaker 15: is everything.
[3:30:11] Speaker 1: Observable but you're making a claim about everything. Period that's
[3:30:16] Speaker 1: that's the problem you have right. Now you're, no you're. Not,
[3:30:20] Speaker 1: no you're not talking about everything. Observable you're talking about the.
[3:30:23] Speaker 1: Universe when you say the, universe you have To if
[3:30:26] Speaker 1: you're saying something other than the entire, universe you have
[3:30:29] Speaker 1: to specify.
[3:30:30] Speaker 7: It, Okay i'm specifying right, now the observable.
[3:30:35] Speaker 1: Universe, Okay how could we possibly measure the amount of
[3:30:40] Speaker 1: entropy in the observable?
[3:30:41] Speaker 7: Universe, uh that's a good. Question we look that. Up
[3:30:47] Speaker 7: how do we measure?
[3:30:48] Speaker 1: Entropy measure b is An it is a measurement of,
[3:30:53] Speaker 1: change direction and. Momentum we call it. Entropy it's measuring
[3:30:58] Speaker 1: the amount of energy and as, them you would have
[3:31:02] Speaker 1: to be able to monitor all the shit in our
[3:31:06] Speaker 1: entire observable universe to actually come up with an entropy,
[3:31:08] Speaker 1: number the same way we do entropy in real. Life
[3:31:13] Speaker 1: if you want to measure how much entropy the fuck
[3:31:16] Speaker 1: is in this, ball you, need in, fact be able
[3:31:19] Speaker 1: to measure the ball. Itself.
[3:31:22] Speaker 15: Like, Yeah i'm not a, physicist but from the research
[3:31:25] Speaker 15: That i've, done many cosmologists do believe that the universe
[3:31:29] Speaker 15: had a, beginning and entropy is a big.
[3:31:31] Speaker 1: Reason, well the majority of them don't. Agree sixty eight
[3:31:34] Speaker 1: percent of, them according to the SURVEY i have says
[3:31:36] Speaker 1: that The Big bang says says nothing about the beginning of. Time, No,
[3:31:41] Speaker 1: no they're not. Sure no. No Wrong, again the question,
[3:31:47] Speaker 1: was in your, opinion how should we understand The Big?
[3:31:50] Speaker 1: Bang and sixty eight percent says that it's a theory
[3:31:54] Speaker 1: that says a universe evolved from a, hot dense, state
[3:31:57] Speaker 1: and it says nothing about whether there is an absolute
[3:32:00] Speaker 1: beginning of time or. Not The Big bang doesn't say
[3:32:05] Speaker 1: doesn't say anything about what came before.
[3:32:07] Speaker 3: It it's.
[3:32:07] Speaker 7: Unrelated, Okay so if you don't believe that The Big
[3:32:11] Speaker 7: bang was the, beginning then you'd have to believe in
[3:32:13] Speaker 7: like a Big crunch theory or something like.
[3:32:15] Speaker 1: That you don't have, TO i personally, do but you
[3:32:17] Speaker 1: don't have. To you can do all kinds of eternal universal.
[3:32:20] Speaker 1: Models you can do. Multiverse you can believe that we're
[3:32:24] Speaker 1: just a tiny section of the larger universe and we
[3:32:27] Speaker 1: just haven't been able to observe far enough to see
[3:32:30] Speaker 1: stuff that's not part of Our Big. Bang. Yet we
[3:32:33] Speaker 1: could be inside of a black. Hole there's so many
[3:32:36] Speaker 1: possibilities other than there was once nothing and then something
[3:32:40] Speaker 1: came from nothing Because god spoke.
[3:32:42] Speaker 15: It so the point That i'm getting at is from
[3:32:45] Speaker 15: what we can, observe the universe that we observe now
[3:32:49] Speaker 15: started in one, hot dense. State maybe there was something before,
[3:32:52] Speaker 15: it maybe, not but there's no evidence behind. THAT i
[3:32:56] Speaker 15: believe from what we observe that there's a cause for what,
[3:32:59] Speaker 15: happened AND i believe that that Causes.
[3:33:01] Speaker 7: God The.
[3:33:03] Speaker 1: God the question why would you Posit god into the
[3:33:07] Speaker 1: equation when he's not necessary for?
[3:33:08] Speaker 15: It BECAUSE i believe that there has to be a
[3:33:10] Speaker 15: cause for why anything exists at.
[3:33:12] Speaker 7: All WHY i already gave.
[3:33:14] Speaker 1: This, well what's the cause For god's? Existence what's the
[3:33:17] Speaker 1: cause For god's?
[3:33:18] Speaker 7: Existence eventually you get to a point where something.
[3:33:20] Speaker 1: Has to be, Okay so, yeah something just becomes a brute. Fact,
[3:33:24] Speaker 1: YEAH i think that the universe is a necessary brute,
[3:33:27] Speaker 1: fact AND i have no reason to believe That god
[3:33:29] Speaker 1: is a necessary Brute but there's no fact that the
[3:33:31] Speaker 1: brute fact in my world, view is the thing THAT
[3:33:34] Speaker 1: i know already. Exists and there's no evidence for Your,
[3:33:37] Speaker 1: god not not a lick of. It in, fact the
[3:33:40] Speaker 1: evidence we have would demonstrate that Your god is not.
[3:33:42] Speaker 1: Real The bible sure as, fuck is an evidence for Anything.
[3:33:46] Speaker 15: Okay well we can get into, that But i've got
[3:33:48] Speaker 15: some other other Things i'd like to talk. About so,
[3:33:50] Speaker 15: okay so hold on BEFORE i move, on let me
[3:33:54] Speaker 15: not get ahead of. Myself, okay, yeah, no, no, No
[3:34:01] Speaker 15: so another argument THAT i have for the existence Of
[3:34:04] Speaker 15: god is the complexity of humans AND.
[3:34:08] Speaker 1: Dna dosh did you try these on any real atheist
[3:34:12] Speaker 1: in real? Life these are Like Frank turic like arguments
[3:34:16] Speaker 1: one oh one THAT i would expect from. Teenagers how
[3:34:18] Speaker 1: old are?
[3:34:18] Speaker 7: You i'm twenty.
[3:34:20] Speaker 1: Six come, On you're too old for these silly.
[3:34:22] Speaker 2: Arguments how old are?
[3:34:25] Speaker 1: You But i'm forty.
[3:34:27] Speaker 7: ONE i heard these off of debating people on these.
[3:34:31] Speaker 7: ARGUMENTS i don't.
[3:34:31] Speaker 1: Know, Yeah I'm i'm doing pretty good job at.
[3:34:33] Speaker 7: It, yeah, okay round of.
[3:34:36] Speaker 1: Applause Point my point is like these are like really,
[3:34:41] Speaker 1: basic like apologetic arguments that have been. Failing, YES i
[3:34:46] Speaker 1: have ever heard your argument four thousand? Times do you
[3:34:48] Speaker 1: think you're the first one that are made an argument
[3:34:51] Speaker 1: from the complexity OF? Dna come, on you can't believe?
[3:34:55] Speaker 15: That, Okay, well where does functional information come? From if
[3:34:58] Speaker 15: it doesn't come.
[3:34:58] Speaker 1: From functional information develop up from within any given. System
[3:35:02] Speaker 1: our planet is one of those. Examples in, fact IF
[3:35:05] Speaker 1: dna is a sign of, anything it's a sign of.
[3:35:08] Speaker 1: Evolution which didn't you say you believe in.
[3:35:11] Speaker 7: Evolution, no, No i'm not an evolutionary. Theist i'm An
[3:35:14] Speaker 7: Older earth.
[3:35:14] Speaker 1: Creationist then how do you explain the fact that like
[3:35:17] Speaker 1: seventy percent of our genes are pseudogenes.
[3:35:19] Speaker 2: And no longer.
[3:35:20] Speaker 7: Functional, sorry explain?
[3:35:25] Speaker 1: That so about seventy percent of our genes no longer,
[3:35:28] Speaker 1: work they worked hundreds of thousands of years, ago most
[3:35:31] Speaker 1: of them in our ancestor evidence that all OF. Dna
[3:35:37] Speaker 1: one of the best evidences is that we can't produce VITAMIN. C,
[3:35:40] Speaker 1: so for, example most animals can produce VITAMIN. C we,
[3:35:45] Speaker 1: cannot and neither can our primary ancestors because long time
[3:35:50] Speaker 1: ago our genes got. Broke there's a four step sequence
[3:35:53] Speaker 1: required to produce VITAMIN, c and the fourth step is
[3:35:57] Speaker 1: no longer. Functional the genes are all there in our.
[3:36:00] Speaker 1: Genetics we have all the genes there to produce VITAMIN
[3:36:03] Speaker 1: c until we get to the very last step and
[3:36:06] Speaker 1: then the sequence, breaks and then we don't actually get
[3:36:09] Speaker 1: to produce VITAMIN c we. Have that's why we need
[3:36:11] Speaker 1: to get it from the world around.
[3:36:13] Speaker 7: Us, okay called.
[3:36:19] Speaker 15: The complexity OF dna coming from nothing just doesn't. Work
[3:36:22] Speaker 15: you have to deal with the, problem.
[3:36:23] Speaker 1: Well you would have. To you would have to if
[3:36:25] Speaker 1: with not a, problem you would have to in order
[3:36:27] Speaker 1: to say that you can't GET dna from the world around,
[3:36:30] Speaker 1: us you'd have to demonstrate.
[3:36:31] Speaker 7: That, well there's there's no examples of that happening. Naturally,
[3:36:34] Speaker 7: ever we we literally the, example the, example AND i
[3:36:39] Speaker 7: think that's points To.
[3:36:41] Speaker 1: God so it certainly doesn't point To. God it points
[3:36:44] Speaker 1: to it points to you having not read any.
[3:36:46] Speaker 7: Science so functional information doesn't ever come from an unintelligent.
[3:36:55] Speaker 7: Source we don't prove any evidence of that. Happening it's,
[3:36:58] Speaker 7: happened and we can't create it in.
[3:37:00] Speaker 1: Labs again it does.
[3:37:04] Speaker 7: Us with our intelligent brains can't recreate. It so how
[3:37:07] Speaker 7: did it?
[3:37:07] Speaker 1: Happen, yes we have have? We, yeah, okay show me
[3:37:12] Speaker 1: where that, is so we we have done. It in,
[3:37:15] Speaker 1: fact let's see amino acids CATALYZE rna formation under ambient alkaline.
[3:37:21] Speaker 1: Conditions here's an article not that long, ago in, Fact.
[3:37:26] Speaker 7: But amino acids don't contain genetic, Information.
[3:37:29] Speaker 1: Yeah they do what they don't? Do where do you
[3:37:34] Speaker 1: THINK dna comes from just look it. UP dna information
[3:37:39] Speaker 1: is made of amino. Acids my, MAN i don't know
[3:37:41] Speaker 1: if you knew.
[3:37:42] Speaker 7: This proteins are made of amino.
[3:37:44] Speaker 1: Acids and what's in four.
[3:37:48] Speaker 7: Bases there's, adanine, diamine, citozine and.
[3:37:51] Speaker 1: Guanine what do you need FOR? Rna, Uh i'm not
[3:37:58] Speaker 1: sure off the top of my head you need amino.
[3:38:00] Speaker 7: Acids but amino acids are ordered and structure to create, proteins.
[3:38:07] Speaker 1: And that's one of THE i, Know, yes we are. Aware,
[3:38:14] Speaker 1: listen give me a one. Second not amino. Acids, nope that's.
[3:38:24] Speaker 1: Me that's on. Me you don't need amino acids FOR.
[3:38:27] Speaker 7: Dna protein acids don't contain genetic. Information, no, no, no.
[3:38:33] Speaker 1: You're, right you're right on this. One I'm i'm actually
[3:38:35] Speaker 1: wrong on this. One it says amino acids are used
[3:38:41] Speaker 1: to CATALYZE rna information or.
[3:38:44] Speaker 7: Formation so the point That i'm getting at, is if
[3:38:50] Speaker 7: you look at the genetic information contained in every single
[3:38:53] Speaker 7: one of, ourselves it's more complex than any.
[3:38:56] Speaker 1: Computer complexity has nothing to do With god, GOSH i don't,
[3:39:00] Speaker 1: know but, well we already know the. Argument we've heard
[3:39:04] Speaker 1: it four thousand times before. You complicated. Isn't, well you're
[3:39:09] Speaker 1: not going to put any new twist on. It something
[3:39:13] Speaker 1: being COMPLICATED i, know and it's not the first time
[3:39:16] Speaker 1: That i've heard. It so just listen to rebuttals so
[3:39:19] Speaker 1: you don't waste your time and. Mind so something being
[3:39:22] Speaker 1: complicated cannot be a hallmark Of god did it because
[3:39:27] Speaker 1: you don't Know god doing it needs.
[3:39:30] Speaker 7: Complexity, no my argument is that it's a miracle because
[3:39:35] Speaker 7: that's what you can't. Prove, okay so let me let
[3:39:39] Speaker 7: me get into.
[3:39:40] Speaker 15: This besides the complexity OF, dna there's also an enzon
[3:39:43] Speaker 15: CALLED dna, polymerase which is like a scanner that goes.
[3:39:46] Speaker 5: Over, Okay so.
[3:39:49] Speaker 1: Which bad apologetics book are you getting these arguments out?
[3:39:52] Speaker 7: Of i'm. Not this is all research That i've done.
[3:39:55] Speaker 7: Myself i'm sure where where was?
[3:39:57] Speaker 1: It where was what we're? GONNA i find the same?
[3:40:00] Speaker 1: Research show, me.
[3:40:02] Speaker 15: DON'T i don't have sources for this. INFORMATION i just
[3:40:04] Speaker 15: put it into a, Document.
[3:40:07] Speaker 1: So you don't have any. Sources it's just trust me broad.
[3:40:10] Speaker 7: Research, WELL i mean you can look it up if
[3:40:13] Speaker 7: you don't.
[3:40:13] Speaker 1: Me, WELL i can't look it up because you have no.
[3:40:16] Speaker 1: Resource so PubMed give me a resource on an article
[3:40:19] Speaker 1: that says the self assembled behavior OF dna basis on the,
[3:40:23] Speaker 1: interface and then it goes to describe HOW dna can
[3:40:28] Speaker 1: actually self assemble the.
[3:40:30] Speaker 15: Baby, WELL i would look At james tours seventeen video
[3:40:33] Speaker 15: series on a biogenesis on you why he goes in
[3:40:36] Speaker 15: depth on how.
[3:40:37] Speaker 1: Have you listened to one scientist that believes in a
[3:40:42] Speaker 1: biogenesis or just the ones who. Don't, No i've just
[3:40:47] Speaker 1: watched the name name one scientist that is that is
[3:40:50] Speaker 1: in favor of a biogenesis that you've listened to or
[3:40:53] Speaker 1: watched or.
[3:40:53] Speaker 7: Read i'm just telling, You i've only looked At James tours, video.
[3:40:56] Speaker 1: Right so you don't even know the other side of the.
[3:40:58] Speaker 7: Argument then, no, no, No But i've seen evidence from a, scientist.
[3:41:04] Speaker 1: But you don't know the. Rebuttals, Also james tore is
[3:41:08] Speaker 1: not even a, Biologist isn't he like a fucking? Chemist
[3:41:11] Speaker 1: he's a.
[3:41:11] Speaker 7: Biochemist oh he's a.
[3:41:13] Speaker 1: Biochemist yeah, Yeah.
[3:41:18] Speaker 15: Okay, so AS i was saying BEFORE i got cut,
[3:41:21] Speaker 15: Off so THE dna polymerase is like a. Scanner it's
[3:41:23] Speaker 15: an enzyme that checks for errors IN, dna replaces the,
[3:41:26] Speaker 15: errors and it's functioning in the duplication of. Cells and
[3:41:30] Speaker 15: so besides the need FOR dna to be created from, nothing.
[3:41:34] Speaker 1: You also have to have, it says he's an organic.
[3:41:37] Speaker 1: Chemist oh, sorry MAYBE i was wrong about. It according
[3:41:40] Speaker 1: to his. PROFILE i thought he's on his. Website, Okay.
[3:41:48] Speaker 15: So, Anyways, yeah BESIDES dna needing to be brought forth from,
[3:41:53] Speaker 15: nothing you also have to have this. Enzyme it's not
[3:41:55] Speaker 15: brought forth from.
[3:41:56] Speaker 1: Nothing no one believed, That, Josh.
[3:41:58] Speaker 7: Okay from whatever system Besides, god it's not.
[3:42:02] Speaker 1: Brought forth from, nothing and it emerges from everything everything,
[3:42:07] Speaker 1: else just like atoms are made of fundamental, particles and
[3:42:11] Speaker 1: then atoms make up molecules of the same. Thing with OUR,
[3:42:15] Speaker 1: dna it's made up of smaller things that have pre.
[3:42:18] Speaker 1: Existed it like every molecule in my body pre existed
[3:42:21] Speaker 1: in my body in this current.
[3:42:23] Speaker 7: Format, yeah but there's there's no what's the Word i'm looking,
[3:42:31] Speaker 7: for there's no examples OF dna being produced from nothing
[3:42:36] Speaker 7: in nature. Anywhere we've never seen.
[3:42:38] Speaker 1: That no one. Cares we've never Seen. God, right if you're.
[3:42:42] Speaker 1: Listen if your argument is we didn't witness it with
[3:42:45] Speaker 1: our own two eyes happening in real, time then that's
[3:42:48] Speaker 1: a terrible argument because no one's ever Witnessed. God in,
[3:42:51] Speaker 1: fact all the evidence we have actually witnessed would demonstrate
[3:42:54] Speaker 1: that Your god isn't.
[3:42:55] Speaker 15: Real, No So i've been cut off a few times,
[3:42:58] Speaker 15: here so IF i, COULD i could. Finish it's not
[3:43:00] Speaker 15: just THAT dna was formed from, chemistry but also that this,
[3:43:04] Speaker 15: enzyme THE dna, polymerase which is required FOR dna to
[3:43:07] Speaker 15: reproduce and be, repaired also had to be developed at
[3:43:10] Speaker 15: exactly the same time to.
[3:43:12] Speaker 7: Function and then besides that the Chemicals, no.
[3:43:17] Speaker 1: It would Not. Josh, yes it would have to develop, Eventually, no, no.
[3:43:23] Speaker 15: In our cells due to regular metabolic. Processes this is
[3:43:26] Speaker 15: from a book THAT i got in the, library, RIGHT
[3:43:28] Speaker 15: i know.
[3:43:28] Speaker 1: It would have to develop. Eventually those who that didn't
[3:43:31] Speaker 1: have it died. Off that's the way evolution. Works those
[3:43:35] Speaker 1: who didn't have the adaptations necessary to survive died.
[3:43:38] Speaker 5: Off it just means that in order to.
[3:43:40] Speaker 1: Survive it just means that in order to, survive you
[3:43:44] Speaker 1: needed that. Adaptation so my point is needed that the
[3:43:48] Speaker 1: way evolution works means that those who can't survive in
[3:43:52] Speaker 1: the environment don't survive in those who do do, survive
[3:43:55] Speaker 1: which is why the stuff that has survived is the
[3:43:57] Speaker 1: stuff that can do the stuff.
[3:43:58] Speaker 15: Required, yeah and to survive you need not ONLY dna
[3:44:01] Speaker 15: but also this polymerase enzyme because in every cell on,
[3:44:05] Speaker 15: average there's fifty thousand to five hundred thousand molecular lesions
[3:44:09] Speaker 15: per cell per, day and just one unrepaired lesion can
[3:44:13] Speaker 15: be catastrophic for the cell and cause it to. Die
[3:44:15] Speaker 15: so you need this enzyme to repair.
[3:44:17] Speaker 1: It too Bad god didn't think of a way to
[3:44:19] Speaker 1: prevent the cells from getting cancer and. Babies.
[3:44:22] Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah that's a great. Misdirection good Job, Justice it's
[3:44:24] Speaker 7: not a.
[3:44:25] Speaker 1: Misdirection What i'm demonstrating to you is that you're trying
[3:44:29] Speaker 1: to point AT. Dna, look look how MARVELOUS dna. Is
[3:44:32] Speaker 1: it must have been. Created you can't draw a link
[3:44:35] Speaker 1: between something is, Complexity, no and then something needing to
[3:44:38] Speaker 1: be created by a, god certainly not A christian.
[3:44:41] Speaker 7: God besides the fact that it's, complex the fact THAT
[3:44:44] Speaker 7: dna communicates a message things like how proteins are built
[3:44:48] Speaker 7: in the, body or how the body will grow and
[3:44:51] Speaker 7: develop as time goes, on and that's encoded IN, dna
[3:44:55] Speaker 7: and the fact that there's.
[3:44:55] Speaker 1: A Messag, yeah and so are all the things that
[3:44:58] Speaker 1: demonstrate that we ancestors with The Great. Apes, like if
[3:45:02] Speaker 1: you're so obsessed with THE dna, evidence please tell me
[3:45:05] Speaker 1: you know how indogenous retroviruses.
[3:45:07] Speaker 7: Work so a message is just categorically different from.
[3:45:11] Speaker 1: Here so you don't know anything about, RVs then, NO i, Don't.
[3:45:14] Speaker 1: Okay in erv is when a foreign piece OF dna
[3:45:17] Speaker 1: gets into your genome and it inserts a snippet of
[3:45:21] Speaker 1: VIRAL dna inside of, you and then it gets passed
[3:45:24] Speaker 1: on your children and your children's. Children we have at
[3:45:27] Speaker 1: least two hundred of them that we share with The Great.
[3:45:30] Speaker 1: Apes all human beings have. Them Great apes have them as,
[3:45:32] Speaker 1: well and a good portion of those don't exist outside
[3:45:35] Speaker 1: of The Great ape human. Family they only exist within our.
[3:45:38] Speaker 1: Family this could only happen if we had an ancestor
[3:45:42] Speaker 1: With Great. Apes there's no other account for.
[3:45:44] Speaker 7: It, Okay, SORRY I i'm not sure If I'm i'm
[3:45:50] Speaker 7: not understanding exactly what you're saying right. Now that could
[3:45:52] Speaker 7: just be so.
[3:45:53] Speaker 1: Indonnish rotroviruses are bits OF dna that gets inserted into
[3:45:58] Speaker 1: YOUR dna strand and is now part of your. Genome
[3:46:01] Speaker 1: it shows up in the same part of the strand
[3:46:04] Speaker 1: every time by a. Virus this is called it indogenous retrovirus, okay,
[3:46:11] Speaker 1: okay so it damages or some people will say it
[3:46:14] Speaker 1: scars YOUR dna when it enters a new piece OF
[3:46:17] Speaker 1: dna into, yours and then it shows up in all
[3:46:19] Speaker 1: humans at the same. Place that's how we know that
[3:46:22] Speaker 1: we all had common. Blood it also turns out that
[3:46:25] Speaker 1: a bunch of these also show up in great apes
[3:46:27] Speaker 1: because we had an ancestor with great apes that had
[3:46:31] Speaker 1: these viruses as, well or these.
[3:46:32] Speaker 7: Retroviruses, okay so why does that mean apes or? Ancestors
[3:46:37] Speaker 7: why could they have.
[3:46:37] Speaker 1: Not just gone because there's no accounting for. It it's
[3:46:40] Speaker 1: not possible for two of these retroviruses to show up
[3:46:44] Speaker 1: in humans and apes and not have common ancestry because
[3:46:49] Speaker 1: how long is the? Strand how many base pairs are
[3:46:51] Speaker 1: in a strand OF dna in the.
[3:46:54] Speaker 7: Human body three point two billion base pairs right, Right and.
[3:46:57] Speaker 1: A retrovirus shows up in the same location and every.
[3:47:00] Speaker 1: Time so in order for, that it's in order for
[3:47:05] Speaker 1: that to happen and not come from common, ancestry it
[3:47:08] Speaker 1: means that the virus must somehow know that it needs
[3:47:12] Speaker 1: to get into all human beings and then find this
[3:47:15] Speaker 1: exact part in THE dna and then just happened to
[3:47:18] Speaker 1: scar them at this exact, point and must do it
[3:47:21] Speaker 1: for billions of human beings and billions of. Primates but
[3:47:25] Speaker 1: how do.
[3:47:25] Speaker 7: We know in ancient history that that virus didn't just
[3:47:28] Speaker 7: affect humans and also? Apes how do we know that it?
[3:47:31] Speaker 1: Did that's the. Point the reason why apes and human
[3:47:35] Speaker 1: beings have them is because we all had a common
[3:47:39] Speaker 1: ancestor that had that.
[3:47:40] Speaker 7: ER i understand what you're. Saying my question, is if
[3:47:44] Speaker 7: we were two separate, beings apes and men in ancient,
[3:47:48] Speaker 7: history why is it not possible that this virus infected
[3:47:51] Speaker 7: both of us as two separate.
[3:47:52] Speaker 1: Beings because it would never infect it and then be
[3:47:55] Speaker 1: in the entire population in the exact same spot in
[3:47:59] Speaker 1: THE dna in a.
[3:48:00] Speaker 7: Sequence why not if it's affecting the same.
[3:48:03] Speaker 1: Because it has no mechanism to. Fire viruses don't have
[3:48:07] Speaker 1: mechanism for SELECTING dna. Sequences that's not how that.
[3:48:10] Speaker 7: Works, OKAY i have a couple of quotes here which
[3:48:16] Speaker 7: i'll just kind of end off.
[3:48:17] Speaker 1: On no one's interested in your, quotes but they are.
[3:48:19] Speaker 1: Interested no one cares about your. Quotes no one. Cares
[3:48:25] Speaker 1: no one. CARES i don't care about, Quotes, JOSH i don't.
[3:48:28] Speaker 1: Care this is this is the worst kind of appeal to, authority.
[3:48:33] Speaker 3: And no one.
[3:48:33] Speaker 1: Cares you can do all your appeals to authority as
[3:48:37] Speaker 1: much as you. Want you can do all your appeals
[3:48:40] Speaker 1: to authority as much as you. Want no one really.
[3:48:42] Speaker 1: Cares just the same reason WHY i don't quote atheist
[3:48:45] Speaker 1: biologists to. YOU i don't care about you quoting believing
[3:48:49] Speaker 1: biologists to me or anything of that. NATURE i would
[3:48:53] Speaker 1: love to talk About, christianity, Though would you like to
[3:48:55] Speaker 1: talk About?
[3:48:55] Speaker 7: Christianity, yeah, sure let's, uh let's just move.
[3:49:00] Speaker 1: Gone so why Is christianity specifically?
[3:49:03] Speaker 5: True?
[3:49:04] Speaker 7: SO i think that the.
[3:49:06] Speaker 15: Beauty of the interconnectedness of all the books of The,
[3:49:10] Speaker 15: bible and the preservation of The bible and the impact
[3:49:13] Speaker 15: that it's had throughout time all speak To christian.
[3:49:16] Speaker 1: Preservation it was not preserved very very. Well The koran
[3:49:21] Speaker 1: is way more.
[3:49:21] Speaker 7: Preserved, well we have thousands and thousands of manuscripts.
[3:49:24] Speaker 1: To that most of them are from a medieval period
[3:49:27] Speaker 1: at least of The New. Testament.
[3:49:30] Speaker 15: Yeah, no BUT i think that the fact that it's
[3:49:32] Speaker 15: been preserved over thousands of years speaks speaks to the
[3:49:35] Speaker 15: fact that it's.
[3:49:36] Speaker 1: So so As. Homer homer has been. Preserved who gives a.
[3:49:39] Speaker 7: Fuck, yeah there's not thousands and thousands of.
[3:49:41] Speaker 1: Manuscripts the number of manuscripts is. Irrelevant the numbers of
[3:49:47] Speaker 1: copies of a book means nothing as to whether or
[3:49:49] Speaker 1: not it's like From. God, okay so let's they're like
[3:49:54] Speaker 1: billions Of korans in the world means.
[3:49:56] Speaker 15: The bible according To christian. TRADITION i, mean you're not
[3:49:59] Speaker 15: sure about. This i'm also not sure about, this but
[3:50:02] Speaker 15: it's estimated that The bible has forty. Authors about who
[3:50:06] Speaker 15: wrote the sixty six books in The biblical canon over
[3:50:09] Speaker 15: a timeline.
[3:50:09] Speaker 1: Of you certainly aren't going to Be this is the
[3:50:12] Speaker 1: worst TALKING i will never understand why this Bad Jordan
[3:50:16] Speaker 1: peterson talking. Point it continues to get. Used it wasn't written,
[3:50:20] Speaker 1: over it wasn't Really George peterson was the one who popularized.
[3:50:24] Speaker 1: This when he's talking about the cross.
[3:50:26] Speaker 7: READ i don't Watch Jordan.
[3:50:27] Speaker 1: Peterson it's adorable you're using is his argument right. Now
[3:50:32] Speaker 1: so the fact that there is multiple, authors there's nothing to.
[3:50:35] Speaker 1: It the fact that there's multiple authors is. Meaningless it
[3:50:38] Speaker 1: was written over a period of maybe eight hundred, years
[3:50:41] Speaker 1: and it's full of internal contradictions and. Errors so the
[3:50:45] Speaker 1: fact that a culture is able to add books to
[3:50:47] Speaker 1: its own religious writings is irrelevant to.
[3:50:51] Speaker 15: Me there's tens of thousands of hyper. Links, no there's
[3:50:55] Speaker 15: the same words or. Phrases, yes there is across The
[3:50:57] Speaker 15: bible as a.
[3:50:57] Speaker 1: Whole and so, first first of, all that's not what
[3:50:59] Speaker 1: a hyperlink is supposed to. Mean and, ALSO i don't
[3:51:03] Speaker 1: give a fuck if the Word jerusalem shows up thirty thousand,
[3:51:05] Speaker 1: times that's not a meaningful thing to. Me if IF
[3:51:08] Speaker 1: i passed fifty people to write a book about the
[3:51:11] Speaker 1: state Of, ohio the fact That columbus or The Ohio
[3:51:15] Speaker 1: State buckeyes continues to show up and all the books
[3:51:17] Speaker 1: is meaningless to whether or not the contents of the
[3:51:19] Speaker 1: book is. True, okay, well let's not talk About.
[3:51:22] Speaker 15: Jerusalem let's talk about some actual core themes that are
[3:51:25] Speaker 15: observed throughout the Whole.
[3:51:26] Speaker 7: Bible, so looking at Like.
[3:51:28] Speaker 1: Christ why DO i care about? Themes because it? Speaks
[3:51:33] Speaker 1: do you think do you think there are? Themes do
[3:51:36] Speaker 1: you think? There, yeah because they had previous texts they
[3:51:38] Speaker 1: quoted each. Other daniel literally says he's quoting from he's Reading, Jeremiah, Amos.
[3:51:47] Speaker 1: Isaiah all these, people these people were familiar with each.
[3:51:50] Speaker 1: Other of course they're going to quote each.
[3:51:51] Speaker 7: Other but, okay the unified message that's, contained.
[3:51:57] Speaker 1: It's not a unified. Message yeah it.
[3:51:59] Speaker 2: Is it all.
[3:51:59] Speaker 7: Points, no it's.
[3:52:00] Speaker 1: Not, no it's Not, josh how long did Did yahweh
[3:52:05] Speaker 1: say to follow the? Law?
[3:52:06] Speaker 7: For Did yahweh say to follow the? Law? For are
[3:52:11] Speaker 7: you talking about To israel when you made the covenant with?
[3:52:13] Speaker 1: Them how long Did yahweh say to follow the?
[3:52:16] Speaker 7: LAW i want to know what text you're specifically referring to.
[3:52:21] Speaker 1: You i'm not going to tell you the. Text i'm asking.
[3:52:23] Speaker 5: You do you know The?
[3:52:24] Speaker 1: Bible how long Did yahweh instruct his people to follow the.
[3:52:28] Speaker 1: Law i'm not asking you to know What i'm referring.
[3:52:32] Speaker 1: To i'm asking, you according to The Hebrew, bible how
[3:52:36] Speaker 1: long Does yahweh say to follow the?
[3:52:38] Speaker 7: Law i'm assuming all your. LIFE i don't know what.
[3:52:42] Speaker 1: Text you're forever he, says. Forever, okay so what's your?
[3:52:49] Speaker 1: Point how long Does paul say to follow the law?
[3:52:52] Speaker 9: For, Uh.
[3:53:00] Speaker 7: I'm not. Sure he says it was.
[3:53:02] Speaker 1: Temporary school Of Master regulations three twenty three One corinthians
[3:53:06] Speaker 1: nine twenty and elsewhere he says it was, temporary wasn't,
[3:53:09] Speaker 1: Permanent it's not. Forever how long Did jesus say the
[3:53:12] Speaker 1: law is in?
[3:53:12] Speaker 7: Effect? For, Well i'm thinking of The sermon on The.
[3:53:17] Speaker 15: Mount jesus, said if you teach people to obey these,
[3:53:21] Speaker 15: commands you'll be the greatest in The kingdom of, heaven
[3:53:24] Speaker 15: and if you teach anybody not to, obey you'll be
[3:53:26] Speaker 15: the least in The kingdom of. Heaven that's That's but
[3:53:30] Speaker 15: then he also, says IN i think It's matthew twenty
[3:53:32] Speaker 15: two or twenty, three that love The lord Your god
[3:53:35] Speaker 15: with all your, heart and love your. Neighbor and that
[3:53:38] Speaker 15: sums up the law and the. Prophets so that's that's
[3:53:41] Speaker 15: what comes to mind WHEN i think about.
[3:53:42] Speaker 1: You Does jesus want you to follow the laws or?
[3:53:44] Speaker 7: Not, Yeah but he's getting down to the, intention AND i, mean,
[3:53:48] Speaker 7: yeah but the.
[3:53:49] Speaker 1: Question is should you follow the? Law, yeah, okay not
[3:53:55] Speaker 1: to the.
[3:53:55] Speaker 7: Letters for the.
[3:53:56] Speaker 1: INTENTION i didn't say. Anything, no he doesn't say the.
[3:54:00] Speaker 1: Intention if you look At jesus, says whoever breaks one
[3:54:04] Speaker 1: of the least of these commandments and teaches others to
[3:54:06] Speaker 1: do the, same will be called least in the kingdom of.
[3:54:08] Speaker 1: Heaven but whoever does them and teaches them would be
[3:54:11] Speaker 1: called great in The kingdom Of.
[3:54:12] Speaker 7: Heaven, so, Yes.
[3:54:13] Speaker 1: Jesus is suggesting that you should be following the.
[3:54:17] Speaker 2: Law.
[3:54:18] Speaker 7: Yeah the purpose of the law throughout the Whole bible
[3:54:20] Speaker 7: deals with the.
[3:54:21] Speaker 1: Intention should you follow the law and know you're? Wrong
[3:54:25] Speaker 1: i'm not. Wrong should you follow the? Law, josh you're?
[3:54:28] Speaker 1: Wrong just just just stop right. Now, no you're not
[3:54:32] Speaker 1: going To you're gonna answer my. Question should you follow the?
[3:54:35] Speaker 1: Law according To, jesus you should have the right intention
[3:54:39] Speaker 1: that the. LAW i didn't ask you. THAT i, said
[3:54:40] Speaker 1: should you follow the?
[3:54:41] Speaker 7: Law should you follow the? Law, WELL i think there's
[3:54:45] Speaker 7: some laws that we can't even follow.
[3:54:46] Speaker 1: ANYMORE i didn't ask you. That Does jesus suggest you
[3:54:49] Speaker 1: should follow the? Laws?
[3:54:50] Speaker 3: Yes or?
[3:54:51] Speaker 7: NO i don't think he explicitly says that he.
[3:54:55] Speaker 1: Does in, fact you were already. There you already half
[3:54:58] Speaker 1: quoted it does verse seventeen through. Nineteen does do not
[3:55:02] Speaker 1: think That i've come to abolish the law or the.
[3:55:04] Speaker 1: Prophets Did jesus abolish the laws or?
[3:55:06] Speaker 7: Known, no he fulfilled?
[3:55:08] Speaker 1: Them did he abolish?
[3:55:10] Speaker 7: Them, though, no he fulfilled, Them he didn't know fulfill.
[3:55:13] Speaker 1: His Meaningless, okay so that if they're not, ABOLISHED i
[3:55:15] Speaker 1: think if they're not, abolished then there's still in. Effect,
[3:55:19] Speaker 1: TRULY i tell, you until Heaven earth pass, away not one,
[3:55:21] Speaker 1: letter not one stroke of a, letter will pass away
[3:55:24] Speaker 1: from the law until all is. Accomplished, therefore whoever breaks
[3:55:27] Speaker 1: one of the least of these commandments and teaches others
[3:55:30] Speaker 1: to do the, same will be called least in The
[3:55:31] Speaker 1: kingdom Of. Heaven but whoever does talking about and teaches,
[3:55:34] Speaker 1: them will Be he's certainly talking about his. Crucifixion he's
[3:55:37] Speaker 1: talking about his heaven And earth passing away right. Here,
[3:55:41] Speaker 1: TRULY i tell, you until heaven And, earth it's not
[3:55:45] Speaker 1: a separate. Point it's in the same Sentence josh. Does For,
[3:55:49] Speaker 1: TRULY i tell, you until heaven And earth pass, away
[3:55:53] Speaker 1: not one, letter not one stroke of a, letter will
[3:55:55] Speaker 1: pass away from the law until all is, accomplished all being.
[3:55:58] Speaker 1: Accomplished is this the end of the, Age when everything's
[3:56:04] Speaker 1: done and there's the New heaven and a New, earth
[3:56:07] Speaker 1: that's why he, Says, therefore whoever breaks one of the
[3:56:09] Speaker 1: least of these commandments and teaches others to do the,
[3:56:12] Speaker 1: same we'll be called least in The kingdom of. Heaven
[3:56:14] Speaker 1: so if you teach people to not follow the, commandments
[3:56:18] Speaker 1: that means you're least in the. Kingdom and it, says
[3:56:21] Speaker 1: but whoever does them and teaches them will be called
[3:56:24] Speaker 1: great in the. Kingdom so Does jesus prefer you to
[3:56:27] Speaker 1: follow the laws or? Not he doesn't explicitly say. That
[3:56:32] Speaker 1: and what he, does so we'll try. Again don't, worry
[3:56:36] Speaker 1: we'll try. Again we'll try. AGAIN i already answered, That
[3:56:41] Speaker 1: so we'll try this again since you we're listening the first.
[3:56:43] Speaker 1: Time he, says, therefore whoever breaks one of the least
[3:56:46] Speaker 1: of these, commandments like are you? Whoever?
[3:56:51] Speaker 7: Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[3:56:53] Speaker 1: Okay he, says whoever breaks one of the least of
[3:56:55] Speaker 1: these commandments and teaches others to do the, same we'll
[3:56:58] Speaker 1: be called least in the kingdom of. Heaven so he,
[3:56:59] Speaker 1: says if you break the commandments and teach others to
[3:57:02] Speaker 1: break the, commandments you're going to be least in the,
[3:57:04] Speaker 1: kingdom which means it must not be good to break the,
[3:57:08] Speaker 1: commandments which is why he says whoever does them and
[3:57:10] Speaker 1: teaches them will be called great in the. Kingdom so
[3:57:14] Speaker 1: is it good to follow the? Laws, yes, okay if
[3:57:22] Speaker 1: it's if it's, bad if it's bad to not follow the,
[3:57:26] Speaker 1: laws and it's good to follow the, laws then does
[3:57:29] Speaker 1: that not mean That jesus prefers you to follow the
[3:57:32] Speaker 1: law Because jesus obviously prefers you to do what it's.
[3:57:34] Speaker 7: Good. Correct, yeah but you're you're trying To you're trying
[3:57:38] Speaker 7: to pinhold the. CONVERSATION i didn't pinhold the.
[3:57:39] Speaker 1: Conversation so the next question, is Does jesus prefer you
[3:57:43] Speaker 1: to follow the?
[3:57:43] Speaker 15: Laws going to talk BECAUSE i can't. Talk, Sure i'll
[3:57:46] Speaker 15: disagree with you for the sake of moving the conversation.
[3:57:48] Speaker 1: Alone, yeah, Okay So jesus does prefer you to follow the? Laws,
[3:57:53] Speaker 1: okay and until? When until it's until all, that, uh
[3:57:59] Speaker 1: until heaven and earth pass, away.
[3:58:02] Speaker 7: Until everything is, accomplished.
[3:58:04] Speaker 1: Which includes heaven and earth passing.
[3:58:06] Speaker 7: AWAY i.
[3:58:06] Speaker 1: DISAGREE i, think, well you'd be wrong because he doesn't
[3:58:10] Speaker 1: say on his cross that the heaven earth has passed?
[3:58:13] Speaker 1: Away does the? TRULY i tell YOU i Have so
[3:58:17] Speaker 1: what it, says, Congratulations i've got a master's degree in
[3:58:21] Speaker 1: biblical studies and a bay saying you've read a. Commentary
[3:58:27] Speaker 1: thing you've read a commentary is meaningless to. Me does
[3:58:30] Speaker 1: TRULY i tell you until heaven and earth pass? Away
[3:58:34] Speaker 1: and we agree that heaven and earth haven't passed. Away
[3:58:36] Speaker 1: it's within the sentence, Structure, josh does it until heaven
[3:58:40] Speaker 1: and earth pass? Away not one?
[3:58:42] Speaker 5: Letter is this?
[3:58:43] Speaker 1: Just i'm reading The, bible and if you bother to
[3:58:46] Speaker 1: read it you'd figure it out as. Well does TRULY
[3:58:49] Speaker 1: i tell you until heaven and earth pass? Away not one,
[3:58:51] Speaker 1: letter not one stroke of a, letter will pass away
[3:58:54] Speaker 1: from the law until all is. Accomplished all being accomplished
[3:58:58] Speaker 1: cannot Mean jesus dying on a cross and then the
[3:59:02] Speaker 1: law going, away because he says it's not going to
[3:59:04] Speaker 1: go away until heaven and earth pass, away which means
[3:59:08] Speaker 1: the word all must include the heaven and earth passing.
[3:59:12] Speaker 1: Away that's what the word all means When jesus. Died
[3:59:18] Speaker 1: When jesus, died did he say all is? Accomplished or
[3:59:20] Speaker 1: did he say it is? Accomplished?
[3:59:23] Speaker 7: Finished?
[3:59:24] Speaker 1: Okay In, matthew did he say?
[3:59:25] Speaker 3: All?
[3:59:28] Speaker 4: Yeah?
[3:59:29] Speaker 1: Okay does all include heaven and earth passing. AWAY i
[3:59:33] Speaker 1: don't think.
[3:59:33] Speaker 7: SO i don't think that's what it.
[3:59:35] Speaker 1: Does, yeah which is Why matthew twenty, Eight jesus instructs
[3:59:40] Speaker 1: his disciples to go out and instruct others to do
[3:59:43] Speaker 1: everything that he commanded them. To In matthew twenty, eight
[3:59:47] Speaker 1: that command includes follow. It no one's scared to hear you, Out.
[3:59:51] Speaker 1: Josh so he commissioned his, disciples and he, says, therefore
[3:59:55] Speaker 1: go and make disciples of all, nations baptizing them in
[3:59:58] Speaker 1: the name of The father's and A Holy, spirit teaching
[3:59:59] Speaker 1: them to obey everything THAT i have commanded. You, well
[4:00:02] Speaker 1: one of the things that he commanded them to do
[4:00:05] Speaker 1: was in, fact to follow the. Laws so that means
[4:00:09] Speaker 1: after his death he wanted his disciples to teach people
[4:00:12] Speaker 1: to follow the.
[4:00:13] Speaker 15: Laws, yeah but if you look at The sermon on
[4:00:17] Speaker 15: The mount as a, Whole jesus is getting down to
[4:00:19] Speaker 15: the intention of the.
[4:00:19] Speaker 1: Heart, Okay, yeah we agree That jesus wants to make
[4:00:23] Speaker 1: the laws more. Strict this wasn't unique To. Jesus this
[4:00:27] Speaker 1: is something that we saw In judaism at the time.
[4:00:30] Speaker 1: Period no one cares the question THAT i had Initially
[4:00:34] Speaker 1: what you're failing to actually understand is That jesus in
[4:00:38] Speaker 1: yahweh agree that the law is forever and that you
[4:00:41] Speaker 1: should follow. It it's good to follow the. Law all.
[4:00:45] Speaker 1: Disagrees Acts chapter ten Disagrees Acts chapter fifteen Disagrees looseiah sixty.
[4:00:52] Speaker 1: Six we all know What joseiah. Says you need to
[4:00:55] Speaker 1: pay attention to what we're actually talking about right. Now
[4:00:58] Speaker 1: i'm to Does paul say that the law is forever
[4:01:02] Speaker 1: Because jesus.
[4:01:03] Speaker 11: Does.
[4:01:05] Speaker 7: No paul says In romans time That christ was the culmination.
[4:01:09] Speaker 1: Of the law for everyone that's. Right and so what
[4:01:11] Speaker 1: that means is That, Christ god And jesus disagree With.
[4:01:15] Speaker 7: Paul, no they don't look Up hoseiah sixty. Six for
[4:01:18] Speaker 7: the third.
[4:01:18] Speaker 1: Time you're, again you're still.
[4:01:20] Speaker 7: Wrong you won't even look up the. Passage just entertain
[4:01:24] Speaker 7: me If i'm.
[4:01:24] Speaker 1: Wrong, okay we'll show the passage for, everybody and then
[4:01:27] Speaker 1: we're gonna show why it's, stupid because bride, desire, steadfast,
[4:01:32] Speaker 1: love not sacrifice the knowledge Of god rather than the burnt.
[4:01:34] Speaker 1: Offerings do you know what this is? About BECAUSE i.
[4:01:36] Speaker 7: Do, yeah he's talking about ritual obedience compared to.
[4:01:40] Speaker 1: No, no what he's. Not that's not at all what he's.
[4:01:43] Speaker 1: Saying what he's saying, IS i would rather you obey
[4:01:46] Speaker 1: me so that you don't have to give sin. Offerings
[4:01:50] Speaker 1: obedience is better than, sacrifice meaning the sacrifice that you're
[4:01:54] Speaker 1: giving for your sin is what you're doing because you're.
[4:01:57] Speaker 1: Disobeying BUT i would prefer you to not disobey in
[4:02:00] Speaker 1: the first. Place that's what he's saying.
[4:02:02] Speaker 7: Here, okay, well then go To zachariah chapter.
[4:02:05] Speaker 1: Eight this bumbling around literally has no idea what he's.
[4:02:09] Speaker 7: Doing it's not bumbling.
[4:02:10] Speaker 1: Around, yeah you have literally no. Idea what's. Happening you're
[4:02:17] Speaker 1: concussed is what's. Happening let me ask you a. Question
[4:02:19] Speaker 1: what time period is it in which the circumcised hearts
[4:02:24] Speaker 1: of the people will? Happen when is that going to?
[4:02:25] Speaker 7: Happen, well from The Old, testament it's in The age to,
[4:02:30] Speaker 7: come The age to.
[4:02:32] Speaker 1: Come you got, it because In deuteronomy it says, moreover
[4:02:35] Speaker 1: The lord Of god will circumcise your heart and the
[4:02:37] Speaker 1: heart of your, descendants so that you will love The
[4:02:39] Speaker 1: lord Your god with all your, heart with all your,
[4:02:41] Speaker 1: soul in order that you may. Live The lord Your
[4:02:43] Speaker 1: god will put all these curses on your enemies and
[4:02:45] Speaker 1: on the adversaries who took advantage of. You then you
[4:02:48] Speaker 1: shall again obey The, lord observing all of his. Commandments
[4:02:51] Speaker 1: i'm commanding you. Today so according To god In Doude army,
[4:02:55] Speaker 1: thirty in The age to, come they're still going to
[4:02:58] Speaker 1: follow all the laws That moses gave.
[4:02:59] Speaker 15: IN i, mean, okay, Sorry i'm gonna need you to repeat. That,
[4:03:06] Speaker 15: YEAH i was looking for a verse while you were, talking.
[4:03:08] Speaker 1: SO i was a little bit discribed in The age to,
[4:03:10] Speaker 1: come you will follow the laws verse. Six, moreover The
[4:03:14] Speaker 1: lord To god will circumcise your heart and the heart
[4:03:17] Speaker 1: of your, descendants so that you will love The lord
[4:03:19] Speaker 1: To god with all your, heart with all your, soul
[4:03:20] Speaker 1: in order that you may. Live and The lord Your
[4:03:21] Speaker 1: god will put all these curses on your enemies and
[4:03:24] Speaker 1: on the adversaries he took advantage of. You then you
[4:03:26] Speaker 1: shall again obey The, lord observing all his commandments That
[4:03:29] Speaker 1: i'm commanding you. Today so according to, you AND i
[4:03:32] Speaker 1: think according To deuteronomy, thirty in The age to, come
[4:03:35] Speaker 1: you're going to be required to follow the laws Of.
[4:03:38] Speaker 4: Moses.
[4:03:42] Speaker 7: Uh, yeah what are the laws getting at.
[4:03:44] Speaker 1: Which means the laws are not. Temporary what are the
[4:03:48] Speaker 1: laws getting at justin it's. Irrelevant the question is should
[4:03:50] Speaker 1: you follow the laws that were laid down In, Deuteronomy
[4:03:53] Speaker 1: and the answer to the, question according To, christians is
[4:03:57] Speaker 1: that we don't know because we've never read The. Hebrews,
[4:04:00] Speaker 1: well we've only read the writings Of. Paul And paul,
[4:04:03] Speaker 1: said in, fact that he is our peace in his.
[4:04:06] Speaker 1: Flesh he has made both into one and broken down
[4:04:08] Speaker 1: the dividing wall that is a hostility between, us abolishing
[4:04:11] Speaker 1: the law with his commandments and. Ordinances so according To,
[4:04:15] Speaker 1: Paul jesus literally abolished the law and his commandments and.
[4:04:20] Speaker 1: Ordinances but according To, yahweh in, fact once he circumcises
[4:04:24] Speaker 1: the hearts of the, people everyone's going to follow the
[4:04:27] Speaker 1: commandments Of.
[4:04:28] Speaker 15: Moses, okay when you're when you're reading From, galatians you
[4:04:30] Speaker 15: have to take the context of the book into.
[4:04:32] Speaker 1: ACCOUNT i didn't read From galatians As. Ephesians oh, SORRY
[4:04:35] Speaker 1: i Heard galatians that must have been referenced.
[4:04:38] Speaker 7: EARLIER i totally just lost my train of.
[4:04:42] Speaker 1: Thought the train of thought that that you should have
[4:04:47] Speaker 1: right now is oh Ship, Paul jesus And yahweh don't
[4:04:51] Speaker 1: agree on the Law jesus And yahweh think that it's.
[4:04:54] Speaker 1: Forever paul.
[4:04:55] Speaker 15: Doesn't, No so this is where it gets back To
[4:05:01] Speaker 15: matthew chapter, five The sermon on The. Mount so you
[4:05:03] Speaker 15: AND i have different interpretations of that, passage, Right and
[4:05:07] Speaker 15: so it comes down to do you have any evidence
[4:05:09] Speaker 15: to support your?
[4:05:10] Speaker 1: View because, yeah, yeah the word the literal words Of.
[4:05:15] Speaker 1: Jesus so the words Of jesus is, therefore whoever breaks
[4:05:21] Speaker 1: one of the least of these commandments and teaches others.
[4:05:24] Speaker 1: Dudes you know you already agreed with, Me so now
[4:05:26] Speaker 1: you're just lying to tell the whole. Audiences whoever breaks
[4:05:29] Speaker 1: one of the least of these commandments and teaches, others,
[4:05:32] Speaker 1: dude of the same will be called list and king Of.
[4:05:33] Speaker 1: Heaven so is it is it? Good is it? Good
[4:05:37] Speaker 1: or is it? Bad to follow the?
[4:05:38] Speaker 5: Law it's?
[4:05:41] Speaker 7: Good?
[4:05:42] Speaker 1: Oh so it is, good, okay. Fantastic and has heaven
[4:05:46] Speaker 1: And earth passed?
[4:05:46] Speaker 7: Away?
[4:05:48] Speaker 1: No, Okay so if heaven And earth hasn't passed, away
[4:05:53] Speaker 1: and the law is in effect until heaven earth passed,
[4:05:56] Speaker 1: away and it's good to follow the. Law And jesus
[4:05:58] Speaker 1: instructed the disciples the tea people to follow the. Law that,
[4:06:01] Speaker 1: means in, fact he believes you should still be following the.
[4:06:04] Speaker 15: Law the part that we're hung up on is the
[4:06:06] Speaker 15: interpretation of until everything is. Accomplished you AND i have
[4:06:09] Speaker 15: different interpretations of, this.
[4:06:11] Speaker 1: And yours and yours is wrong because the word all
[4:06:15] Speaker 1: clearly refers to the immediate, context not something that was
[4:06:19] Speaker 1: WRITTEN i don't know seventy years, later.
[4:06:23] Speaker 15: Until everything is. Accomplished how do you get that that
[4:06:26] Speaker 15: refers to the immediate? Context because context commentaries.
[4:06:32] Speaker 1: Here no one cares about your, commentary your. Context the
[4:06:37] Speaker 1: context is ignored Because i'm sorry you ignored the. Context
[4:06:42] Speaker 1: i'm not the context is ignoring the quite verily What
[4:06:46] Speaker 1: jesus requires it to still be in, effect because if it's,
[4:06:53] Speaker 1: not that makes him a. Liar he's contradicting. Himself If
[4:06:57] Speaker 1: jesus is saying that the the law is only going
[4:07:01] Speaker 1: to be an effect for another two, years then that
[4:07:04] Speaker 1: makes him self.
[4:07:05] Speaker 7: Contradictory BUT i think that he's talking about two different things.
[4:07:09] Speaker 1: There he's. Not why WOULD i believe? That what what's
[4:07:14] Speaker 1: The what's the evidence from the text that would lead
[4:07:17] Speaker 1: one to believe? That In verse seventeen through. Nineteen he's
[4:07:22] Speaker 1: just arbitrarily making a half a phrase about something. Later,
[4:07:27] Speaker 1: YEAH i am taking. THAT i am taking the text.
[4:07:29] Speaker 1: LITERALLY i am give, me give, me give me a.
[4:07:34] Speaker 7: Lot he speaks more often in parables than in ways
[4:07:37] Speaker 7: that people don't.
[4:07:38] Speaker 1: Understand you can speak in a parable and also speak. Literally,
[4:07:43] Speaker 1: also it happens to be that this is not a fucking, Parable. Josh,
[4:07:47] Speaker 1: no But i'm, Saying, jesus what what do you what
[4:07:49] Speaker 1: do you think a parable? Is what's a?
[4:07:51] Speaker 7: PARABLE a parable is a story with a deeper? Beating?
[4:07:54] Speaker 1: Okay is this a? Story?
[4:07:56] Speaker 7: No But i'm saying, That.
[4:07:57] Speaker 1: Jesus, Okay so then that means it's not a parable
[4:08:00] Speaker 1: that you can, take not a, parable not a. Parable
[4:08:03] Speaker 1: you know that that direct that that context applies.
[4:08:05] Speaker 7: Directly i'm.
[4:08:06] Speaker 1: Sorry so which part of this let me put it
[4:08:09] Speaker 1: back on THE whi which part of which part of
[4:08:13] Speaker 1: this is is the which part of this is? Metaphor
[4:08:23] Speaker 1: i'm still waiting which word in here it points to the?
[4:08:26] Speaker 1: METAPHOR I i don't.
[4:08:31] Speaker 7: Know you got me there justin so it's not a?
[4:08:34] Speaker 7: Metaphor isn't always speaking immediately within the?
[4:08:38] Speaker 1: DREAM i never Said jesus always did in this, Sentence
[4:08:42] Speaker 1: in this, paragraph he clearly is, though but.
[4:08:45] Speaker 7: Is there something deeper going on? Here AND i think
[4:08:47] Speaker 7: That jesus is talking about? Himself, NO i don't think there.
[4:08:50] Speaker 7: Is augustine believed that he Was.
[4:08:53] Speaker 1: Chrisostom no one cares About augustine Or. Christensen augustine was a.
[4:08:58] Speaker 7: Nutcase, well these guys both have a different interpretation than.
[4:09:02] Speaker 7: YOU i don't think you have.
[4:09:03] Speaker 1: Anything Why why DO i give a fuck About augustine
[4:09:07] Speaker 1: because he said you, said you, said you read an
[4:09:10] Speaker 1: actual Commentary augustine due was fantasizing about his own. Mother,
[4:09:16] Speaker 1: yeah no one cares About.
[4:09:16] Speaker 7: Augustine, yeah but justin you can't cite one other person
[4:09:19] Speaker 7: who agrees with.
[4:09:20] Speaker 1: You this is just, YEAH i. Can how About WILLIAM.
[4:09:24] Speaker 1: F albright in The Yale Anchor bible commentary Series These.
[4:09:30] Speaker 1: Clowns augustine is not a? Commentary you. Don't you have
[4:09:33] Speaker 1: access to no. Commentaries, no he's.
[4:09:37] Speaker 7: Got a work called on The sermon on The mount
[4:09:39] Speaker 7: and Against.
[4:09:40] Speaker 1: Fox, yes, again no one cares information From, yeah he
[4:09:43] Speaker 1: lived over a thousand years, Ago, yeah. Exactly, yeah being
[4:09:48] Speaker 1: old doesn't make you anywhere near. Correct here's the note
[4:09:58] Speaker 1: By WILLIAM. F albright and act. Scholar does this statement
[4:10:02] Speaker 1: By jesus seems clear, enough but combined with the following,
[4:10:05] Speaker 1: verses it might be taken to mean as meaning that
[4:10:08] Speaker 1: the law is binding on the followers Of jesus until
[4:10:10] Speaker 1: the end of. Time oh what about?
[4:10:12] Speaker 2: That?
[4:10:13] Speaker 1: Yeah is that what he?
[4:10:14] Speaker 7: Says is that your? Evidence it might be taken to Mean,
[4:10:17] Speaker 7: yeah is that the best you?
[4:10:19] Speaker 2: Have?
[4:10:19] Speaker 1: Yeah, no, no, no certainly not the BEST i. Have
[4:10:22] Speaker 1: that's what that. Means, well that's what you just pulled.
[4:10:24] Speaker 1: Up that doesn't really support, you because there is no
[4:10:27] Speaker 1: shred of evidence That jesus at any point repudiated his
[4:10:30] Speaker 1: obligations to the. Law there's nothing in here you're not
[4:10:35] Speaker 1: going to, find like a scholarly commentary that states anything
[4:10:39] Speaker 1: different than What i'm telling you right. NOW i didn't
[4:10:41] Speaker 1: make up my. Viewpoints all.
[4:10:48] Speaker 7: Right, WELL i don't know if we're going to get
[4:10:50] Speaker 7: anywhere with. This do you want to move on to another?
[4:10:53] Speaker 1: Argument, yeah there's a lot of inconsistencies in The. BIBLE
[4:11:00] Speaker 1: i would personally consider contradictions, inconsistencies wouldn't.
[4:11:04] Speaker 7: YOU i don't believe that The bible's contradictory.
[4:11:09] Speaker 1: Nowhere want to do one of my. Favorites it's a.
[4:11:11] Speaker 1: Classic so this is the story Of god sending down
[4:11:23] Speaker 1: the punishment For david taking the. Census it, says go
[4:11:27] Speaker 1: and say To, david thus say at The lord three
[4:11:29] Speaker 1: THINGS i offer. You choose one of them so THAT
[4:11:31] Speaker 1: i may do it to. You So goad came To
[4:11:33] Speaker 1: david and said to, him thus say The, lord take your.
[4:11:35] Speaker 1: Choice either three years of famine or three months of
[4:11:38] Speaker 1: devastation by your, foes while the sword of The lord
[4:11:40] Speaker 1: overtakes your. Enemies i'm, sorry while the sword of your
[4:11:42] Speaker 1: enemies overtakes, you or three days of the sword of
[4:11:45] Speaker 1: The lord pestilence on the, land and the angel of
[4:11:47] Speaker 1: The lord destroying throughout all the territory Of. Israel, Okay
[4:11:51] Speaker 1: so what we find In chronicles is that it's a
[4:11:56] Speaker 1: succession of, threes three, years three, months and then three.
[4:12:01] Speaker 1: Days we go to the parallel story In Second. Samuel it,
[4:12:03] Speaker 1: says When david rose in the, morning the word of
[4:12:05] Speaker 1: The lord came to the Prophet, God david c are,
[4:12:07] Speaker 1: saying go and say To, david thus saith The lord
[4:12:10] Speaker 1: three THINGS i offer. You choose one of, them AND
[4:12:12] Speaker 1: i will do it to. You So goad came To
[4:12:14] Speaker 1: david and told, him and he asked, him shall seven
[4:12:17] Speaker 1: years of famine come on you and on your land
[4:12:19] Speaker 1: or will you flee three months before your foes while
[4:12:22] Speaker 1: they pursue?
[4:12:22] Speaker 2: You?
[4:12:23] Speaker 1: Though was the first punishment seven or three?
[4:12:26] Speaker 3: Years?
[4:12:27] Speaker 15: Well, YEAH i mean you see small inconsistencies like, That
[4:12:32] Speaker 15: BUT i don't think that's a. Contradiction it's just a different.
[4:12:34] Speaker 1: Timeline it's not it's the same. Timeline it's the same.
[4:12:38] Speaker 7: Story, yeah but it's a different measurement of. TIME i
[4:12:42] Speaker 7: don't know that that's necessarily.
[4:12:43] Speaker 1: Different three years and seven years are a different measurement of. Time,
[4:12:48] Speaker 1: yes what system of measurement is?
[4:12:52] Speaker 4: It?
[4:12:55] Speaker 15: No, No, No i'm not saying that they're measuring time
[4:12:57] Speaker 15: in a different. Way i'm, saying, yes those are different
[4:13:00] Speaker 15: amounts of. Time but we agree interpret The.
[4:13:04] Speaker 1: BIBLE i didn't ask you about the. INTERPRETATION i asked
[4:13:06] Speaker 1: you about. Consistency you said that The bible was consistent
[4:13:13] Speaker 1: in all that it, says AND i asked, you does
[4:13:16] Speaker 1: that actually mean that it is free of? Contradictions and
[4:13:20] Speaker 1: you assumed. Yeah you said, Yeah SO i, mean does
[4:13:22] Speaker 1: The bible have contradictions or?
[4:13:24] Speaker 7: No you could say that three years is not seven. Years,
[4:13:28] Speaker 7: yes so.
[4:13:29] Speaker 1: Fantastic do you think.
[4:13:31] Speaker 7: That your contradiction that affects the interpretation and the meaning
[4:13:34] Speaker 7: of the?
[4:13:34] Speaker 1: Text, no, yeah we. We we already went over one
[4:13:37] Speaker 1: of my, favorites which is that the law is either
[4:13:40] Speaker 1: universal or it's. Not you say that it's. Not there's
[4:13:43] Speaker 1: been some other ones that are actually, interesting like In, deuteronomy.
[4:13:49] Speaker 5: The law is.
[4:13:50] Speaker 1: Universe it's not universal if it only applies to some.
[4:13:55] Speaker 1: People So deuteronomy thirty, two eight through nine is an interesting.
[4:14:00] Speaker 1: One although this is this IS i don't know if
[4:14:04] Speaker 1: this is actually a, contradiction but this just shows that
[4:14:07] Speaker 1: manuscripts differ over, time and sometimes it's kind of. Important
[4:14:10] Speaker 1: it says when the most high apportion of the, nations
[4:14:12] Speaker 1: when he divided, humankind he fixed the boundaries of the
[4:14:15] Speaker 1: people according to the number of the. Gods but in
[4:14:18] Speaker 1: a lot of our Older bibles it says according to
[4:14:20] Speaker 1: the number of The israelites Of, israel the sons Of.
[4:14:24] Speaker 15: Israel, Right And jesus talks about this In. JOHN i
[4:14:27] Speaker 15: think it's chapter eight Where jesus.
[4:14:29] Speaker 1: No he brings up he brings Up psalm eighty. Two
[4:14:35] Speaker 1: that's what think when.
[4:14:37] Speaker 15: You, KNOW i Know he's not referencing that that specific.
[4:14:39] Speaker 15: Passage i'm just saying That jesus does address something very
[4:14:43] Speaker 15: similar to.
[4:14:43] Speaker 1: That, yeah so is there One god or multiple? Gods
[4:14:48] Speaker 1: there's One, god, okay but according To psalm eighty, two
[4:14:51] Speaker 1: there's multiple, gods and according To, deuteronomy are.
[4:14:55] Speaker 7: MULTIPLE i think the word is, elahem which is eloheim
[4:15:00] Speaker 7: as far AS i, know it can also refer to.
[4:15:02] Speaker 15: Angels But god is like the elohem of. Elohems he's
[4:15:05] Speaker 15: the god capital g what's the. Difference he's above? Everything
[4:15:10] Speaker 15: how he's, almighty all, powerful.
[4:15:14] Speaker 1: Mighty to do what he. Is he mighty enough to
[4:15:17] Speaker 1: get rid of The, satan.
[4:15:21] Speaker 7: Mighty enough to get, well, YEAH i mean revelation prophesies about.
[4:15:24] Speaker 1: That how come he doesn't do?
[4:15:26] Speaker 7: It it's prophesied that it's going to come to.
[4:15:29] Speaker 1: Pass how come he did to do?
[4:15:30] Speaker 2: It?
[4:15:30] Speaker 7: NOW i don't. Know i'm Not. GOD i don't think you.
[4:15:35] Speaker 1: Find it weird That god invented his own.
[4:15:37] Speaker 7: Enemy, no, SO i think there's actually no where Did
[4:15:42] Speaker 7: satan come? From god Created? Satan?
[4:15:45] Speaker 1: Okay?
[4:15:46] Speaker 7: WHY i don't know Why god Created.
[4:15:50] Speaker 15: Satan but if we want to get into, THEODOSY i
[4:15:53] Speaker 15: have an idea behind why.
[4:15:55] Speaker 1: THERE'S i would love to get into The. ODYSSEY i,
[4:15:57] Speaker 1: mean The odyssey is a lot of, fun BUT I
[4:16:00] Speaker 1: i Think i'd rather do one other thing. First, sure
[4:16:03] Speaker 1: so we're On deuteronomy thirty two for a, reason AND
[4:16:07] Speaker 1: i didn't get a chance to actually finish. It if
[4:16:09] Speaker 1: you go To deuteronomy thirty two to, four the beginning
[4:16:11] Speaker 1: of that passage does that his work is perfect and
[4:16:16] Speaker 1: all of his ways are. Just but in order to
[4:16:19] Speaker 1: believe that that is, true you must also believe that
[4:16:23] Speaker 1: it's true that it's good to kill innocent. Women want
[4:16:29] Speaker 1: to hear that argument.
[4:16:31] Speaker 7: To kill innocent? Women? Yeah which women are? Innocent deuteronomy twenty.
[4:16:37] Speaker 1: Two so it, says suppose a man marries a, woman
[4:16:40] Speaker 1: but after going into or dislikes her and makes up
[4:16:42] Speaker 1: charges against, her slam during her by, SAYING i DIDN'T
[4:16:45] Speaker 1: i married this, woman but WHEN i lay with, HER
[4:16:47] Speaker 1: i didn't find evidence of her. Virginity the father of
[4:16:50] Speaker 1: the young woman and her mother shall then submit the
[4:16:52] Speaker 1: evidence of the young women's virginity to the elders of
[4:16:54] Speaker 1: the city at the. Gate the father of the young
[4:16:56] Speaker 1: woman shall say to the, ELDERS i gave my daughter
[4:16:58] Speaker 1: in marriage to this, man but he dislikes and now
[4:17:00] Speaker 1: he's made up charges against her by, SAYING i did
[4:17:03] Speaker 1: not find evidence of your daughter's, virginity but here is
[4:17:06] Speaker 1: the evidence of my daughter's. Virginity then they shall spread
[4:17:09] Speaker 1: out the cloth before the elders of the, town and
[4:17:10] Speaker 1: the elders of the town shall take the man and punish.
[4:17:13] Speaker 1: Him they shall find him one hundred. Sheckles so if
[4:17:15] Speaker 1: there's a blood on that, sheet that means that she
[4:17:19] Speaker 1: was a, virgin and he gets, punished, Right.
[4:17:22] Speaker 7: Uh, Yeah.
[4:17:24] Speaker 1: Okay it, says, if, however the charge is, true that
[4:17:26] Speaker 1: evidence of the young woman's virginity was not, found then
[4:17:29] Speaker 1: they shall bring the young woman out to the entrance
[4:17:31] Speaker 1: of her father's, house and the men of her town
[4:17:33] Speaker 1: shall stone her to death because gives committed a disgraceful
[4:17:36] Speaker 1: act In israel by prostituting herself in her father's. House
[4:17:39] Speaker 1: so if she's lying about being a, virgin she gets,
[4:17:42] Speaker 1: stoned right.
[4:17:43] Speaker 15: Yeah and the whole purpose of this ties Into deuteronomy,
[4:17:46] Speaker 15: eighteen which is for the nation Of israel to be
[4:17:49] Speaker 15: holy instead, Apart so a woman that was being actually
[4:17:52] Speaker 15: mean before marriage is. Eighteen Uh, No deuteronomy. Eighteen here
[4:18:00] Speaker 15: about That auronomy eighteen verses nine to. Fourteen if you
[4:18:02] Speaker 15: want to look it. Up god calls people to be set.
[4:18:05] Speaker 1: Apart, well he does about a dozen. Times, yeah it
[4:18:08] Speaker 1: Isn't deuteronomy eighteen purity Laws versus nine to. Fourteen, yeah,
[4:18:17] Speaker 1: yeah it's just a. Call, yeah when you enter the
[4:18:19] Speaker 1: land The Lord god, giving you do not learn to
[4:18:22] Speaker 1: imitate the detestable waves of the. Nations they're let no
[4:18:24] Speaker 1: one be found among. You we sacrifices their sons or
[4:18:27] Speaker 1: daughters to the. Fire so. On there's no sexual impurity laws.
[4:18:30] Speaker 7: HERE i don't, know but it's tying into the idea
[4:18:32] Speaker 7: That israel was supposed to be set apart and different
[4:18:35] Speaker 7: from the.
[4:18:35] Speaker 1: Other, yeah we know that that's not a. Question so
[4:18:38] Speaker 1: woman was.
[4:18:39] Speaker 7: Being sexually promiscuous before? Marriage, yep, yeah we, know we know.
[4:18:43] Speaker 1: That we want to explain, it none of. That we
[4:18:44] Speaker 1: all know that that he didn't want you to be sexually.
[4:18:46] Speaker 7: PROMISCUIT i don't know where the innocence comes in.
[4:18:49] Speaker 1: Here, okay what's she being killed, For, josh.
[4:18:54] Speaker 7: For being sexually? Immoral?
[4:18:56] Speaker 1: Okay and what's the tool to determine if she's been sexually.
[4:19:00] Speaker 7: Or the tool to determine if she's been Sexually.
[4:19:03] Speaker 1: Yeah what are they gonna do in court when they show?
[4:19:06] Speaker 3: Up?
[4:19:08] Speaker 7: Uh i'm ASSUMING i have some kind of.
[4:19:10] Speaker 1: Trial what's the verse say that we read is gonna?
[4:19:14] Speaker 7: Happen you're gonna have to pull it up.
[4:19:18] Speaker 1: Again, yeah says they shall spread out the cloth before
[4:19:21] Speaker 1: the elders of the. Town so the proof of her
[4:19:23] Speaker 1: innocence or non innocence, is in, fact the bloody.
[4:19:27] Speaker 2: Sheet?
[4:19:27] Speaker 7: Right does that say that's the only piece of? Evidence this?
[4:19:32] Speaker 1: Is that's that's what you're gonna. Bring they shall spread
[4:19:36] Speaker 1: out the. Club what possible evidence could you bring to
[4:19:39] Speaker 1: prove that a woman has never slept with?
[4:19:41] Speaker 7: Somebody the testimony of other?
[4:19:44] Speaker 1: People that's not how That that's not how that. Works,
[4:19:47] Speaker 1: josh can can you verify? Both pretend you have a.
[4:19:50] Speaker 1: Sister can you verify that your sister never slept with?
[4:19:54] Speaker 1: ANYBODY i? Know of course, not because you can't testify
[4:20:01] Speaker 1: to whether or not somebody never did. Something that means
[4:20:04] Speaker 1: you would have had to spend your entire life with that.
[4:20:07] Speaker 1: Person every waking moment they ever had with that, person
[4:20:10] Speaker 1: you would have had to be with. Them that's not
[4:20:12] Speaker 1: how testimony.
[4:20:13] Speaker 5: Works.
[4:20:13] Speaker 15: Yeah SO i think it's important to take a couple
[4:20:15] Speaker 15: of things into consideration. Here one thing Is deuteronomy chapter.
[4:20:19] Speaker 15: Nineteen you can look at verses eleven to. Thirteen so
[4:20:21] Speaker 15: there were strict laws that stated anyone who kills an
[4:20:24] Speaker 15: innocent person would themselves be put to.
[4:20:26] Speaker 7: Death you can look it up if you.
[4:20:27] Speaker 1: Want i'm. Aware the problem is they didn't realize that
[4:20:30] Speaker 1: these women were. Innocent that's the. Problem the problem is
[4:20:33] Speaker 1: they were given instructions that if a woman doesn't bleed
[4:20:36] Speaker 1: on a, sheet you can have. Restoned.
[4:20:38] Speaker 7: Right But i'm just. Me i'm just pointing it out
[4:20:41] Speaker 7: that this is a very serious claim and if THEY.
[4:20:43] Speaker 1: I, Know, Josh i'm not supposed to kill innocent people
[4:20:46] Speaker 1: unless they're. Foreigners then you can murder their. Foreigners and,
[4:20:54] Speaker 1: SORRY i just.
[4:20:54] Speaker 5: Have so.
[4:21:00] Speaker 7: Army nineteen versus fifteen or.
[4:21:01] Speaker 1: Twenty but we're In deuteronomy twenty. Two we're gonna to
[4:21:05] Speaker 1: address the. Passage do you think that having a woman
[4:21:09] Speaker 1: stoned based on the evidence of the sheet is a good?
[4:21:12] Speaker 7: Thing but it doesn't say that's the only.
[4:21:14] Speaker 1: Evidence what, again tell me what evidence you could possibly.
[4:21:18] Speaker 7: BRING i don't know because it's not listed in the.
[4:21:20] Speaker 1: Passage you don't know because there is. None there's no
[4:21:23] Speaker 1: way to determine if the woman is a. Version there is,
[4:21:27] Speaker 1: None there is no other, evidence there's no, no. No in,
[4:21:33] Speaker 1: reality there's no way to determine if someone's. Virgin it doesn't.
[4:21:36] Speaker 7: Exist but there's nowhere in that text where it says
[4:21:39] Speaker 7: no other evidence would be.
[4:21:40] Speaker 1: No, No i'm telling, you in, reality there is no
[4:21:44] Speaker 1: way to know if a woman has been lain.
[4:21:46] Speaker 7: With so you're positing your own understanding onto the.
[4:21:50] Speaker 1: Text, No i'm not telling you about the. Text i'm
[4:21:54] Speaker 1: saying you're looking at the text in the reality that
[4:21:56] Speaker 1: we live, In, josh there is no way to determine
[4:22:00] Speaker 1: if a woman is a. Virgin it doesn't.
[4:22:02] Speaker 7: Exist, Right But i'm, saying look at the rest of
[4:22:07] Speaker 7: the book in.
[4:22:07] Speaker 1: Context i've read every last word of the, Book. Josh
[4:22:11] Speaker 1: so we'll try this again in real. Life what is
[4:22:15] Speaker 1: one possible test you can do that is actually. EFFECTIVE
[4:22:20] Speaker 1: i don't have an, example BUT i think there's not
[4:22:22] Speaker 1: one because it's. Impossible so there's no way to determine
[4:22:26] Speaker 1: if a little girl is in fact a. Virgin so
[4:22:30] Speaker 1: whether or not there's a bloody sheet is not evidence
[4:22:32] Speaker 1: to whether or not this woman was a, virgin which
[4:22:35] Speaker 1: means getting killed because they couldn't produce a bloody sheet is.
[4:22:39] Speaker 7: Horrendous so is there any example of this happening in The?
[4:22:42] Speaker 1: Bible? No does it?
[4:22:44] Speaker 5: Matter?
[4:22:45] Speaker 7: YEAH i think, So, no it doesn't. Matter there's no
[4:22:48] Speaker 7: example of an innocent.
[4:22:49] Speaker 1: One there's lots of laws that we don't have examples
[4:22:52] Speaker 1: of people. Breaking by the, Way, Actually, josh do you
[4:22:56] Speaker 1: think that Every do you think that every law that's
[4:23:00] Speaker 1: not even authentic To? John do you think that every
[4:23:03] Speaker 1: law given By moses has an example of somebody breaking
[4:23:05] Speaker 1: it in The.
[4:23:05] Speaker 7: Bible, no BUT i also don't think.
[4:23:08] Speaker 1: That, okay then it is an irrelevant argument saying does
[4:23:10] Speaker 1: this is there a story in The bible where somebody
[4:23:13] Speaker 1: breaks this? Law is an irrelevant question whether or not
[4:23:15] Speaker 1: the law was actually. GIVEN i think another.
[4:23:18] Speaker 7: Problem with your interpretation here is that you're looking at
[4:23:21] Speaker 7: the laws legislative.
[4:23:22] Speaker 1: Like it has legislative. Law, yes that's how that.
[4:23:26] Speaker 15: Works look At exodus chapter. Eighteen moses instructs people under.
[4:23:31] Speaker 1: Him he can't stop With, yeah look at, this this is.
[4:23:36] Speaker 1: Legislative that's Why god punished people for not Following.
[4:23:39] Speaker 7: Moses moses teaches people about the law but then lets them.
[4:23:44] Speaker 1: Using their OWN i, know for where there is no.
[4:23:46] Speaker 1: LAW i, agree, yeah when there is no law regarding,
[4:23:49] Speaker 1: it you can use your own mental rational thinking. Faculties
[4:23:53] Speaker 1: but we have a law on this in the law
[4:23:55] Speaker 1: states that if in fact you can't produce a bloody,
[4:23:58] Speaker 1: sheet you can have her.
[4:23:59] Speaker 7: Stoned there's no examples of that in The bible.
[4:24:02] Speaker 1: Though, no, again we Are, josh we already covered it
[4:24:04] Speaker 1: doesn't it. Doesn't it doesn't, Matter. JOSH i know you're,
[4:24:09] Speaker 1: concussed but trying to pay attention just because there's not
[4:24:12] Speaker 1: an example of a law being enacted in The bible
[4:24:15] Speaker 1: like being played out says nothing as to whether or
[4:24:18] Speaker 1: not the law has a particular. Meaning we know what it.
[4:24:20] Speaker 7: Means so the claim that you're, making, though is That
[4:24:23] Speaker 7: god cannot be just if he can have an innocent woman.
[4:24:27] Speaker 7: Stone but there's no example of an innocent woman being.
[4:24:29] Speaker 1: Stoned it doesn't matter if there's an example of. It
[4:24:32] Speaker 1: the command itself requires that innocent women will be stoned.
[4:24:37] Speaker 1: Estion it doesn't, know it Doesn't, josh you already told
[4:24:42] Speaker 1: me that not all the laws Of moses have accompanying
[4:24:45] Speaker 1: stories about when they were. Broken so whether or not
[4:24:47] Speaker 1: there's an accompanying story is. Irrelevant like IF i told
[4:24:51] Speaker 1: you that you can go yeah he did. So IF
[4:24:54] Speaker 1: i told you that you can go and kill your,
[4:24:56] Speaker 1: neighbor the fact that you did or didn't kill your
[4:24:59] Speaker 1: neighbors irrelevant to the fact THAT i said that you
[4:25:01] Speaker 1: could go do.
[4:25:02] Speaker 2: It that's the.
[4:25:03] Speaker 1: Problem we're not asking can we find examples of where this.
[4:25:06] Speaker 1: Happened we're asking is the command itself even?
[4:25:09] Speaker 7: Just but if you can't find an example of it,
[4:25:12] Speaker 7: happening then how do you claim That god is not?
[4:25:14] Speaker 1: Just because it doesn't matter if it, Happened, Josh IF
[4:25:18] Speaker 1: i SAID i need you to go punch this little
[4:25:21] Speaker 1: kid in the, face that is an unjust. Command whether
[4:25:25] Speaker 1: or not you did it is. Irrelevant i'm not asking
[4:25:29] Speaker 1: you if The israelites did things that were. Unjust i'm
[4:25:31] Speaker 1: asking is this command From god?
[4:25:33] Speaker 7: UNJUST i don't think, so BECAUSE i think it's consistent
[4:25:36] Speaker 7: with his moral.
[4:25:37] Speaker 1: NATURE i know it is. Consistent fuck, women, YEAH i.
[4:25:40] Speaker 3: Know, no it's no because it.
[4:25:43] Speaker 1: Is it does. Happen, yeah he says that you can rape.
[4:25:47] Speaker 1: Women in, fact he commands.
[4:25:49] Speaker 7: Rape, WELL i, mean let's just think about this. Logically
[4:25:51] Speaker 7: i'm assuming YOU'RE.
[4:25:52] Speaker 1: I don't think you've thought about this, LOGICALLY i have
[4:25:55] Speaker 1: your forty.
[4:25:56] Speaker 7: One, right are you?
[4:25:56] Speaker 1: MARRIED i don't talk about my personal life on uh on.
[4:26:00] Speaker 7: Stream Well i'm, married and for me personally on my.
[4:26:03] Speaker 1: Web hashtag pray For josh's.
[4:26:05] Speaker 7: Wife that was one of the happiest days of my.
[4:26:07] Speaker 1: Life, right, yeah and did you?
[4:26:08] Speaker 7: Bleed that's none of your.
[4:26:12] Speaker 1: Business, well because the bloody sheet is supposed to be
[4:26:15] Speaker 1: the proof of whether or not he was a, virgin
[4:26:17] Speaker 1: and as it turns, out the bloody sheet is not good.
[4:26:19] Speaker 1: Proof and you can't think of a single thing that
[4:26:23] Speaker 1: could be used as proof other than the bloody, Sheet
[4:26:25] Speaker 1: and as it turns, out neither does The, bible because
[4:26:28] Speaker 1: there is no other. Test in, fact if you read
[4:26:30] Speaker 1: some of the tests that were eventually, produced like The
[4:26:34] Speaker 1: talmud produced some additional. Tests one was like setting them
[4:26:37] Speaker 1: on top of an open wine barrel and then smelling
[4:26:40] Speaker 1: their breath to see if their breath smelled like, wine
[4:26:42] Speaker 1: because the thought was if you were not a. VIRGIN
[4:26:47] Speaker 1: i didn't say it was pay. Attention so the thought
[4:26:50] Speaker 1: was if your hymen was still, intact the scent of
[4:26:53] Speaker 1: the wine wouldn't travel up through your body and out
[4:26:55] Speaker 1: of your. Mouth my point, is ancient people had no
[4:26:58] Speaker 1: idea how to test for, virginity even they thought that
[4:27:00] Speaker 1: virginity was very, important and this is just one of
[4:27:03] Speaker 1: those additional. Failures you can't test somebody's virginity by whether
[4:27:07] Speaker 1: or not they bled on their wedding.
[4:27:08] Speaker 15: Night that's, Great but the thing That i'm getting out
[4:27:11] Speaker 15: When i'm talking about my own personal story is that
[4:27:14] Speaker 15: on my wedding day was one of the happiest days
[4:27:16] Speaker 15: of my. Life so for me imagining myself in an ancient,
[4:27:19] Speaker 15: context IF i was to go from the happiest day
[4:27:22] Speaker 15: of my life to being mad of my wife and
[4:27:24] Speaker 15: believing that she had been sexually immoral prior to that,
[4:27:27] Speaker 15: day that'd have to be a huge, shift like a
[4:27:29] Speaker 15: very serious. Accusation AND i think they would have to
[4:27:31] Speaker 15: have more evidence than the cloth not being bled.
[4:27:34] Speaker 1: On but you can't tell me what evidence there could
[4:27:37] Speaker 1: or would even, be other than the. Cloth so your
[4:27:40] Speaker 1: opinion that there must be additional evidence is just like your. Opinion.
[4:27:44] Speaker 1: Man The bible, says, well that you're going to go to,
[4:27:47] Speaker 1: court and then at court you're going to display the.
[4:27:50] Speaker 1: Cloth that's what.
[4:27:51] Speaker 5: It says, right.
[4:27:55] Speaker 7: And it doesn't say that's the only, thing so it
[4:27:58] Speaker 7: doesn't have to there is no other. Thing you're saying
[4:28:02] Speaker 7: there is no other. Thing but that's.
[4:28:03] Speaker 1: Then show me something that could possibly. Count, no but
[4:28:09] Speaker 1: just you saying that, there you saying that there is
[4:28:11] Speaker 1: something else is meaningless until you can tell me what
[4:28:14] Speaker 1: the something else would. Be what would it?
[4:28:16] Speaker 7: Be, No i'm saying that the text isn't.
[4:28:18] Speaker 1: Limited WHAT i didn't ask you about the. TEXT i
[4:28:20] Speaker 1: asked what else could it?
[4:28:21] Speaker 7: BE i don't have an.
[4:28:23] Speaker 1: Answer so then you asserting that there must be something
[4:28:26] Speaker 1: else is foolish. Thing you're lying to, me and you're
[4:28:29] Speaker 1: lying to the, audience and you're lying to. YOURSELF i
[4:28:31] Speaker 1: didn't assert that What i'm What i'm. Saying What i'm
[4:28:34] Speaker 1: saying is that What i'm saying that until you can
[4:28:36] Speaker 1: demonstrate that there is anything, ELSE i have no reason
[4:28:39] Speaker 1: to believe that it's not just the.
[4:28:40] Speaker 15: Sheep until you can demonstrate that's the only, thing THAT
[4:28:43] Speaker 15: i have no reason to side with your.
[4:28:44] Speaker 1: Belief ACTUALLY i already. Did you weren't, listening so we'll
[4:28:46] Speaker 1: try it. Again. Joss there is no, way there is
[4:28:50] Speaker 1: zero way, possible even in the modern, age to determine
[4:28:54] Speaker 1: the virginity of an. Individual there is no, evidence no
[4:28:58] Speaker 1: amount of. Evidence it doesn't. Matter if you think there
[4:29:01] Speaker 1: is additional evidence that they would, bring even though you
[4:29:03] Speaker 1: can't name, it it still wouldn't, matter because there is
[4:29:07] Speaker 1: no way to determine the virginity of an, individual even
[4:29:12] Speaker 1: today with modern. Technology it doesn't.
[4:29:15] Speaker 7: Exist, WELL i think it's harder today than it would
[4:29:17] Speaker 7: have been back.
[4:29:17] Speaker 1: Then it doesn't. Matter it's impossible, Today. Josh it's not
[4:29:21] Speaker 1: possible today to determine the virginity of a, woman even,
[4:29:25] Speaker 1: today which means it doesn't matter what you believe about
[4:29:28] Speaker 1: the bloody. Sheet if you think that they're going to
[4:29:31] Speaker 1: bring additional, tests it doesn't. Matter there's no way to determine,
[4:29:35] Speaker 1: it which means it doesn't. Matter you should never murder
[4:29:39] Speaker 1: a woman for not being a virgin because there is
[4:29:41] Speaker 1: no method for determining her.
[4:29:43] Speaker 7: Virginity, sure and it never happens in The, bible.
[4:29:46] Speaker 1: So it doesn't matter if there's a recorded story of.
[4:29:49] Speaker 1: It god said you can do. It no it, Doesn't,
[4:29:54] Speaker 1: no it. Doesn't, no it doesn't. That the fact that
[4:29:58] Speaker 1: it doesn't record it happening says nothing about whether or
[4:30:01] Speaker 1: not the command is good or. Bad you can repeat
[4:30:04] Speaker 1: the same bad talking point over and over again and
[4:30:07] Speaker 1: you'll just be wrong every.
[4:30:08] Speaker 15: Time, Josh, Okay so how about we just move on
[4:30:10] Speaker 15: because we're both repeating the same, thing AND i think
[4:30:12] Speaker 15: we've come to.
[4:30:13] Speaker 1: An we haven't come to an. Impast we've determined that
[4:30:16] Speaker 1: you're a.
[4:30:16] Speaker 7: Liar, okay, sure if you want to believe, that that's
[4:30:19] Speaker 7: fine by.
[4:30:19] Speaker 1: Me so so we'll try this. Again is there any
[4:30:23] Speaker 1: method that they could produce that would reliably determine if
[4:30:28] Speaker 1: she was a? Virgin there's. Not, okay there's not.
[4:30:32] Speaker 7: One, Yeah i've told you this.
[4:30:34] Speaker 1: Already in, fact DO i have any for the nurses
[4:30:38] Speaker 1: and doctors in the? Chat BECAUSE i know there's a
[4:30:39] Speaker 1: couple that talk to me AFTER i talk about this,
[4:30:41] Speaker 1: topic say yes or? No is there a reliable method
[4:30:46] Speaker 1: for determining if a woman is a virgin even with modern? Medicine,
[4:30:53] Speaker 1: No moon says. NO a lot of. No's joey says.
[4:30:58] Speaker 7: NO i think that back In jackson's.
[4:31:03] Speaker 1: Actually says.
[4:31:04] Speaker 5: No this is just my.
[4:31:05] Speaker 1: OPINION i don't testimony would be. Meaningless testimony is not
[4:31:08] Speaker 1: a test of virgin Dy.
[4:31:09] Speaker 7: No, No BUT i think back, then community.
[4:31:11] Speaker 1: Sweet pickles says that she's an R n and, also, no,
[4:31:15] Speaker 1: okay so, listen there's no there's no way of determining
[4:31:19] Speaker 1: if somebody is a, virgin and testimony sure as hell
[4:31:22] Speaker 1: does not determine whether or not somebody was in fact a,
[4:31:25] Speaker 1: virgin which means this law would in fact result in
[4:31:30] Speaker 1: somebody being murdered unjustly for not being a.
[4:31:34] Speaker 7: Virgin it could, not would.
[4:31:37] Speaker 1: It would if it wasn't, Acted if it wasn't, acted it, would.
[4:31:42] Speaker 7: It, Could and we have no evidence. That, no, no
[4:31:44] Speaker 7: we know it, would but we have no evidence that it.
[4:31:47] Speaker 1: Did we we have the. Law we don't care about
[4:31:51] Speaker 1: whether or not you find a story of somebody doing,
[4:31:53] Speaker 1: it although we know that there are stories of people doing,
[4:31:56] Speaker 1: it because we have writings from the time period of
[4:31:58] Speaker 1: people getting murdered for exactly. This so so, again you're being, Disingenuous,
[4:32:04] Speaker 1: josh because what you're, saying And i'll repeat it for
[4:32:07] Speaker 1: the fiftieth, Time i'll say every time you say. It
[4:32:10] Speaker 1: just because there's not a story in the text showing
[4:32:13] Speaker 1: of how this law was, enacted does it mean that
[4:32:17] Speaker 1: the law didn't, exist or That god didn't give, it
[4:32:19] Speaker 1: or that it was somehow a good. Law i'm not
[4:32:22] Speaker 1: asking you if The israelites did. It i'm asking if
[4:32:25] Speaker 1: the law was. Good yes it, was so it was. Good,
[4:32:29] Speaker 1: Okay so even though it would result in women being innocently,
[4:32:32] Speaker 1: murdered it was. Good just. Check, no it, would it?
[4:32:36] Speaker 1: Would there is there is there is it. Would.
[4:32:42] Speaker 7: Okay so do you want to move on to the next?
[4:32:44] Speaker 1: Argument? Sure, YEAH i mean do you think that do
[4:32:48] Speaker 1: you think that rape is?
[4:32:49] Speaker 2: Chill?
[4:32:51] Speaker 1: Uh, no. Obviously how do you feel about? Consent and?
[4:32:59] Speaker 7: SAID i think, that especially today very.
[4:33:02] Speaker 15: IMPORTANT i think if you're going to talk About israel
[4:33:04] Speaker 15: in the ancient, context it's a little bit. Different you
[4:33:06] Speaker 15: have to look into the context and make SURE i
[4:33:08] Speaker 15: don't think so understand what you're talking.
[4:33:10] Speaker 1: About, Yeah, Josh between the two of, us only one
[4:33:13] Speaker 1: of us actually went to school to study the. Context
[4:33:15] Speaker 1: so what do you think about war? Brides should we
[4:33:18] Speaker 1: be allowed to capture people in war and then make
[4:33:21] Speaker 1: them our war? Brides do you think that women capturing
[4:33:23] Speaker 1: war after you murdered their entire family have the ability to? Consent? H,
[4:33:28] Speaker 1: No BUT i think you have to consider the Ultra oh, no,
[4:33:31] Speaker 1: Okay so they don't have the ability to. Consent, No,
[4:33:35] Speaker 1: so but it is okay When god tells you to do.
[4:33:37] Speaker 11: It.
[4:33:39] Speaker 7: YEAH i think every ancient culture back then was doing.
[4:33:41] Speaker 1: THAT i didn't ask you if every ancient culture was doing.
[4:33:44] Speaker 1: It was it okay When god said you can do?
[4:33:45] Speaker 3: IT i think?
[4:33:46] Speaker 2: So?
[4:33:47] Speaker 1: Yeah, oh so morals are relative for.
[4:33:50] Speaker 7: You, NO i think that you have to consider the.
[4:33:52] Speaker 1: Context because when you go out to war against your
[4:33:55] Speaker 1: enemies and the lords Of god, hand that's called relative,
[4:33:57] Speaker 1: Morality my, Man when you go out to war against
[4:33:59] Speaker 1: your enemies and The Lord god hands them over to
[4:34:02] Speaker 1: you and you take them. Captives suppose you see among
[4:34:04] Speaker 1: the captives a beautiful woman whom you desire and want to,
[4:34:07] Speaker 1: marry and so you bring her into your. House you
[4:34:09] Speaker 1: shall shave her head and pare her, nails discard her captive's,
[4:34:11] Speaker 1: garb and remain in your house a whole month mourning
[4:34:14] Speaker 1: for her father and. Mother after that you may go
[4:34:16] Speaker 1: into her and let and be her, husband and she
[4:34:19] Speaker 1: shall be your. Wife so this is a woman who
[4:34:22] Speaker 1: does not have the ability to. Consent how does the
[4:34:25] Speaker 1: context make that?
[4:34:25] Speaker 7: Better because every other culture was doing that And, God
[4:34:29] Speaker 7: actually you just.
[4:34:31] Speaker 1: Told me That god said not to be like the other.
[4:34:33] Speaker 7: Cultures, yeah he is different because he gives them a
[4:34:37] Speaker 7: period of. Mourning but but used to from the other.
[4:34:39] Speaker 1: Nations, no that's not. True that's not true at. All
[4:34:44] Speaker 1: you don't. Know you don't know. Shit you don't know
[4:34:47] Speaker 1: shit about the mourning rituals of other. Culture in, fact
[4:34:50] Speaker 1: even in Ancient egypt they had ritualistic. Mourning you have
[4:34:53] Speaker 1: not researched. It you you can't show me a single
[4:34:56] Speaker 1: text from the ancient world where it says that you
[4:35:00] Speaker 1: you you don't let the kidnap.
[4:35:03] Speaker 7: Victims MORT i looked into this like a month. Ago,
[4:35:06] Speaker 7: again you did.
[4:35:07] Speaker 1: NOT i wish i'd kept the. Source you certainly. Didn't
[4:35:11] Speaker 1: BUT i did look into this about a month. Ago,
[4:35:14] Speaker 1: Okay SO i can pull up the book name at
[4:35:16] Speaker 1: least the. Reality the reality is this allows for marital.
[4:35:22] Speaker 1: Rape you've kidnapped a woman after you murdered her entire,
[4:35:25] Speaker 1: family and she's now your war. Bride nothing about the
[4:35:28] Speaker 1: context makes this.
[4:35:29] Speaker 5: Better so.
[4:35:30] Speaker 7: Okay so the, book just for the, record is Called
[4:35:33] Speaker 7: The Lost world of The. Torah, Yeah JOHN. H, Walton and,
[4:35:37] Speaker 7: YEAH i, Know John.
[4:35:38] Speaker 15: Walton, Okay so that's that's the book WHERE i got
[4:35:41] Speaker 15: this idea from where they compared and.
[4:35:43] Speaker 1: Contrasted, YEAH i have all the ancient law, codes by the,
[4:35:46] Speaker 1: WAY i have them.
[4:35:47] Speaker 7: All, okay. Great so the fact That god gave them
[4:35:51] Speaker 7: a period of mourning in between Set israel part and
[4:35:54] Speaker 7: actually was more just than other.
[4:35:56] Speaker 1: Names it's not more, just it's still. Unjust she's still
[4:35:59] Speaker 1: your war. Bride she no the.
[4:36:00] Speaker 7: Alternatives if you go kill an entire nation in.
[4:36:03] Speaker 1: The don't do. It you're about to make it. Worse
[4:36:06] Speaker 1: you're gonna make it. Worse, josh you're gonna make it
[4:36:08] Speaker 1: worse if you say.
[4:36:09] Speaker 7: It you just leave them to.
[4:36:10] Speaker 1: Die, okay well you made it. WORSE i tried to help.
[4:36:14] Speaker 1: You Does if you're not satisfied with, her then you
[4:36:18] Speaker 1: shall let her go, free certainly not sell her for.
[4:36:20] Speaker 1: Money so if she doesn't please, you you can just
[4:36:23] Speaker 1: let her fuck. Off he didn't have to take her
[4:36:26] Speaker 1: in the first, place and same thing with the other.
[4:36:29] Speaker 1: Women they didn't have to kidnap a single. Woman so,
[4:36:32] Speaker 1: listen if he was really concerned about taking care of the,
[4:36:34] Speaker 1: women he would say that you would take care of
[4:36:37] Speaker 1: all of these, women not just the sexy, ones not
[4:36:40] Speaker 1: just the hot little ones that you want to. Marry
[4:36:42] Speaker 1: you'll take care of all of. Them what he actually said,
[4:36:45] Speaker 1: was if you find a little hotty toddy among the kidnap,
[4:36:49] Speaker 1: victims the ones you kidnapped from their homeland after you
[4:36:53] Speaker 1: murdered their entire, family you can marry. Them you can
[4:36:56] Speaker 1: make them your war. Bride and you think that's.
[4:36:58] Speaker 7: OKAY i think it was a different time back. THEN
[4:37:01] Speaker 7: i think it was killer.
[4:37:02] Speaker 1: BEA i didn't ask you about. That, NO i think that's.
[4:37:05] Speaker 1: Important Did god give laws that were the same or different.
[4:37:11] Speaker 2: To what.
[4:37:13] Speaker 1: The cultures back? Then, see every time you don't like
[4:37:16] Speaker 1: what it, says you, say, well that's the way it
[4:37:18] Speaker 1: was back. Then but you already Said god's laws were
[4:37:22] Speaker 1: supposed to be given so that you would be different
[4:37:24] Speaker 1: from the other cultures, Different, Right so you can't use the,
[4:37:30] Speaker 1: excuse Well god did it this, way because that's how culture.
[4:37:33] Speaker 1: Was god's entire law code was supposed to be against that,
[4:37:37] Speaker 1: notion don't be like these other.
[4:37:39] Speaker 7: People, well the law develops and changes over.
[4:37:42] Speaker 1: Time, right only if you believe in relative, morals not
[4:37:45] Speaker 1: if you believe in objective. Morals you believe in, objective unchanging.
[4:37:51] Speaker 7: Morals if you look At, exodus it starts with The Ten,
[4:37:53] Speaker 7: commandments and then they go on from, there and then
[4:37:55] Speaker 7: the levitical laws are developed And, deuteronomy and then When
[4:37:58] Speaker 7: jesus comes in fulfill that's not.
[4:38:00] Speaker 1: Changing that's. Addition and again that's called that's called adding.
[4:38:05] Speaker 1: To it's not called. Changing you can add to the,
[4:38:07] Speaker 1: laws that's not the same as changing the. Laws so,
[4:38:11] Speaker 1: again you think it's okay to kidnap women after you
[4:38:15] Speaker 1: murdered their entire.
[4:38:16] Speaker 7: Family HUH i think back, Then, yeah it.
[4:38:20] Speaker 1: Was, oh just check. IT i don't think it was
[4:38:22] Speaker 1: good back. THEN i certainly don't think that it's good.
[4:38:24] Speaker 1: Now and remember you already said that according To deuteronomy,
[4:38:27] Speaker 1: thirty the laws are are going to be in effect
[4:38:30] Speaker 1: even in the age to, come And jesus said that
[4:38:32] Speaker 1: the follow of the law is, good which means it
[4:38:34] Speaker 1: certainly would be good to follow this particular. Law i'm
[4:38:37] Speaker 1: sure you don't like, that but.
[4:38:39] Speaker 15: You have to, remember, though that these other nations were
[4:38:42] Speaker 15: sacrificing babies to idols and do.
[4:38:44] Speaker 1: No wrong, again wrong, Again, No, josh you're, Wrong you're, Wrong,
[4:38:51] Speaker 1: josh you're. Wrong oh my, god he just wants to bury. Himself,
[4:38:54] Speaker 1: okay you already read.
[4:38:56] Speaker 7: IT i gave you the text and you, Read.
[4:38:59] Speaker 1: Gosh, josh you. This it's hard to imagine someone being
[4:39:02] Speaker 1: so consistently. Wrong So i'm going to read for you
[4:39:05] Speaker 1: why you're. Wrong because if you're A, canaanite the ones
[4:39:08] Speaker 1: who theoretically we're sacrificing their babies To, molik so on
[4:39:12] Speaker 1: and so, forth you don't get to marry those. Women
[4:39:14] Speaker 1: you get to murder those. Women because when you draw
[4:39:17] Speaker 1: nearer to a town to fight against, it offer it
[4:39:19] Speaker 1: terms of. Peace if it accepts your terms of peace
[4:39:21] Speaker 1: and surrenders to, you then all the people in it
[4:39:23] Speaker 1: shall serve you us for. Labor but if it does
[4:39:26] Speaker 1: not accept your terms of peace and makes war against,
[4:39:28] Speaker 1: you then you shall besiege, It and when The lord
[4:39:30] Speaker 1: Your god gives it into your, hand you shall put
[4:39:32] Speaker 1: all of its males of the. Sword you, may, however
[4:39:34] Speaker 1: take as your plunder the, women the, children the, livestock
[4:39:38] Speaker 1: and everything else in the, town all of its. Spoil
[4:39:40] Speaker 1: you may enjoy the spoil of your, enemies which The
[4:39:43] Speaker 1: lord Of god has given. You thus you shall treat
[4:39:45] Speaker 1: all the towns very far from, you which are not
[4:39:49] Speaker 1: the towns of the nations. Here but as for the
[4:39:51] Speaker 1: towns of these. People but The lord Your god is
[4:39:54] Speaker 1: giving to you as an. Inheritance you must not let
[4:39:57] Speaker 1: anything that breathes remain. Alive so if it's The, canaanites
[4:40:02] Speaker 1: you kill every last one of, them, men, women, children.
[4:40:05] Speaker 1: Babies if it's foreigners that live far away from, you
[4:40:08] Speaker 1: then you get to kidnap their women and then make
[4:40:11] Speaker 1: them your war. Brides, okay, okay well, listen it's it's almost, Eleven.
[4:40:21] Speaker 1: Josh you haven't made a coherent point the whole time
[4:40:23] Speaker 1: you've been up, here And i've got to use the
[4:40:25] Speaker 1: restroom now and get out of here before, midnights and
[4:40:28] Speaker 1: got a bunch of super chests left to. Read so
[4:40:30] Speaker 1: thanks for coming and chatting with. Me and it's been.
[4:40:33] Speaker 1: Real Although i'm pretty sure this is our second time,
[4:40:35] Speaker 1: chatting isn't.
[4:40:35] Speaker 7: IT i know this is the first.
[4:40:37] Speaker 1: Time oh, wow there are so many repeated talking. POINTS
[4:40:41] Speaker 1: i thought you were Another josh THAT i talked to
[4:40:42] Speaker 1: with the same talking. Points, okay fair, Enough well it
[4:40:46] Speaker 1: was a pleasure talking to.
[4:40:47] Speaker 7: You have a good. Night god bless.
[4:40:48] Speaker 1: You, yep, well thank for. YOU i love when they
[4:40:52] Speaker 1: Say god bless you like it means something to. Us All,
[4:40:55] Speaker 1: Right i'm gona these restaurant friends will be right. Back,
[4:42:27] Speaker 1: okay let's do it. Friends, YEAH arisi, SAID i could
[4:42:34] Speaker 1: have Sworned justin had talked to him before because his
[4:42:36] Speaker 1: voice besides talking. Points not only, THAT i know because
[4:42:41] Speaker 1: he's the HE'S i REMEMBER i had a conversation with
[4:42:44] Speaker 1: him a long time ago On dudonomy twenty. Two i'm
[4:42:46] Speaker 1: sure of it because he was the one who brought
[4:42:48] Speaker 1: the really bad talking point of like the word for word. Fallacy,
[4:42:53] Speaker 1: well if it doesn't explicitly say that the bloody sheet
[4:42:55] Speaker 1: is the only, evidence then there must be additional. Evidence,
[4:42:58] Speaker 1: well that's not what that. Means he's definitely been here.
[4:43:01] Speaker 1: Before Handsome, cat thank you for the two dour super.
[4:43:04] Speaker 1: CHAT i appreciate. That And Iskander nindodors does religions have
[4:43:09] Speaker 1: caused one hundred million? Deaths? East well, listen uh maybe
[4:43:15] Speaker 1: each is what you, Meant but, YEAH i agree religion causes.
[4:43:18] Speaker 1: Death even to this day there are religious wars being.
[4:43:22] Speaker 1: Waged And, timothy thank you for your. Donation, friend And
[4:43:25] Speaker 1: Dark soul, says if anyone is the answer, Crisis Larry. Fink,
[4:43:29] Speaker 1: fuck Who's Larry? Fink? NOW i got to look Up
[4:43:31] Speaker 1: larry fink uh a? Billionaire oh co founder of Black,
[4:43:38] Speaker 1: well you know, Maybe And tim, says justin To, jesus
[4:43:43] Speaker 1: do you even lift? Bro he doesn't. Listen jesus was
[4:43:46] Speaker 1: a week weekly motherfucker couldn't carry his own, cross, dude
[4:43:51] Speaker 1: no way he had Abs And adam, says sixty six
[4:43:53] Speaker 1: to six equals nero. Link oh so. GOOD i. CAN'T
[4:43:59] Speaker 1: i can't BELIEVE i miss. THAT i cannot BELIEVE i
[4:44:01] Speaker 1: didn't think of that sooner OR i didn't think of that.
[4:44:04] Speaker 1: Myself came, Says, look the sword plus baby thing happened one,
[4:44:08] Speaker 1: time well be fair more than once in The. Bible
[4:44:13] Speaker 1: actually Second samuel twenty two Or First samuel twenty, two
[4:44:16] Speaker 1: it happened to. Again jack, says do you think our
[4:44:19] Speaker 1: numbers thirty one actually does a bunch of? Them do
[4:44:23] Speaker 1: you think it's harmful slash bad to believe in a?
[4:44:25] Speaker 1: God it can, be AND i think these live streams
[4:44:28] Speaker 1: are a proof of. That, Actually chuck, says thank you
[4:44:32] Speaker 1: for your. Donation But, chuck thank you for your donation,
[4:44:34] Speaker 1: friend and Star girl does Early mormon prophets Taught adam Equals.
[4:44:38] Speaker 1: God if this earth Thus jesus's, Father i'll hop on
[4:44:42] Speaker 1: live if you want me to, explain, Well, STARGO I
[4:44:51] Speaker 1: i'm somewhat familiar With mormon Multiple god, theology BUT i
[4:44:56] Speaker 1: don't think we talked to A mormon, tonight did. We
[4:44:58] Speaker 1: i'm not aware of. One thank you for a. Superchuch
[4:45:00] Speaker 1: joe bad Tech geek Says jordan needs. Help therapy could
[4:45:04] Speaker 1: be very. HELPFUL i mean it very, well could be.
[4:45:07] Speaker 1: Helpful therapy is helpful for almost Everybody i've ever. Met
[4:45:11] Speaker 1: Ice Cream assassin thinking it for the supertest says whores
[4:45:13] Speaker 1: for The wind can to minimize or close phone and
[4:45:17] Speaker 1: still listen with YouTube premium can't do that with the
[4:45:19] Speaker 1: heretical vertical stream, listen Ice, Cream.
[4:45:23] Speaker 12: This isn't the.
[4:45:23] Speaker 1: CASE i have an iPhone AND i watch a lot
[4:45:27] Speaker 1: of vertical streams AND i minimize. Them i've never had
[4:45:30] Speaker 1: a problem minimizing or playing in the background a vertical.
[4:45:34] Speaker 1: STREAM i don't know why it works for my iPhone
[4:45:37] Speaker 1: and not, others but it's never been a problem for.
[4:45:39] Speaker 1: Me really weird And caine SAYS i should Thank christians
[4:45:43] Speaker 1: for teaching me one. Thing never trust nice without actions
[4:45:46] Speaker 1: to back it. Up, indeed, yes that is the. Case,
[4:45:51] Speaker 1: yeah being nice does it make you a nice. Person
[4:45:55] Speaker 1: acting a way doesn't make you that, way And tom,
[4:45:58] Speaker 1: says wishing only the best you and your family keep.
[4:46:00] Speaker 1: COOKING i saved my pennies for eighth and nine months
[4:46:03] Speaker 1: to take time. Off i'm An american and live. Here, well, Shit,
[4:46:07] Speaker 1: tom congratulations will be able to take that much time,
[4:46:10] Speaker 1: Off and thank you for the six sixty Six in
[4:46:12] Speaker 1: the well Wishes mash Says Maso, farian reggae junkie jew
[4:46:19] Speaker 1: boognish rock hard For. Doug, well, listen there's a lot
[4:46:22] Speaker 1: of words in. THERE i don't know What Maso farian,
[4:46:24] Speaker 1: is but big w at least for not being one
[4:46:27] Speaker 1: of these Terrible abrahamic. Cults although you. Are did say
[4:46:32] Speaker 1: you were A, Jew you're a reggae junkie. JEW i
[4:46:36] Speaker 1: got lots of. QUESTIONS i got lots of questions about.
[4:46:38] Speaker 1: This Base lord says if prayer worked as well As jesus,
[4:46:41] Speaker 1: says then it's obvious that no one has ever prayed
[4:46:43] Speaker 1: for world peace or an end to all. Wards that's, right,
[4:46:47] Speaker 1: YEAH i, mean what's the point asking us to pray
[4:46:53] Speaker 1: if he's just not going to do? It and s, Shit,
[4:46:57] Speaker 1: fermo thank you for the ten. Dollars supertes says must
[4:47:00] Speaker 1: have been On atheists. Playlist the album Mind bomb from
[4:47:04] Speaker 1: the from The the is a nineties, masterpiece musically, composing sound,
[4:47:11] Speaker 1: production and the lyrics kicked the shit out Of god in.
[4:47:13] Speaker 1: Religion i'd love to hear, that love to hear. That
[4:47:16] Speaker 1: thank you for the super, chat And, isaac thank you
[4:47:18] Speaker 1: for the ten hours. SUPERTESTS i got banned from THE
[4:47:20] Speaker 1: ymca today for always changing their Display bible back To
[4:47:24] Speaker 1: excess twenty, one WHERE i highlighted the good parts need
[4:47:27] Speaker 1: to find a new. GYM i don't blame. YOU i
[4:47:31] Speaker 1: don't blame. YOU i would do the same thing if
[4:47:36] Speaker 1: it wasn't. VANDALISM i would do that at bookstores with The.
[4:47:39] Speaker 1: Bible but what are you gonna? Do WHEN i was
[4:47:42] Speaker 1: traveling a, LOT i used to highlight those passages in
[4:47:45] Speaker 1: the in The Gideon's bibles that Says i'll never understand
[4:47:50] Speaker 1: pretending to have read a book they know full well
[4:47:53] Speaker 1: they've never. Read, Dak you're so, right and thank you
[4:47:56] Speaker 1: for the twenty hour super. Chat they don't read this,
[4:47:58] Speaker 1: book and it's. Crazy not only have they not read this,
[4:48:02] Speaker 1: book they'll get up here and claim it says things
[4:48:05] Speaker 1: that it doesn't clearly, say and Then i'll tell them
[4:48:08] Speaker 1: it says, something and they'll tell, me, no it, doesn't
[4:48:10] Speaker 1: and THEN i have to get in here and show
[4:48:12] Speaker 1: them where it says exactly the thing THAT i. Said
[4:48:14] Speaker 1: these people are not bright and they're not truth tellers.
[4:48:17] Speaker 1: Either andy Pad ta, says, oh, Dude i'm older than. You,
[4:48:22] Speaker 1: WELL i mean that does? Happen P d AND s
[4:48:25] Speaker 1: means Praise doug And. SHARON i would never have guessed
[4:48:27] Speaker 1: that G fj means gay for. Justin, OKAY i got that.
[4:48:31] Speaker 1: ONE i think we're used to SEEING g FOUR. J but,
[4:48:35] Speaker 1: okay so Praise doug And sharon and gay For. Justin
[4:48:38] Speaker 1: thank you for clearing that. Up, ANDY i appreciate. That And,
[4:48:42] Speaker 1: eric thank you for The, supertest Says christians get mad
[4:48:44] Speaker 1: WHEN i explained That eric comes from The norse Eric,
[4:48:49] Speaker 1: er meaning eternal. Ruler they are unwilling to be consistent
[4:48:53] Speaker 1: and worship.
[4:48:53] Speaker 2: Me that is the.
[4:48:55] Speaker 1: Case and we actually we had some person a couple
[4:48:59] Speaker 1: of weeks, ago probably a couple of months ago now
[4:49:02] Speaker 1: state that names have like divine. Meanings H it was
[4:49:07] Speaker 1: a whole it was a whole crazy. Thing he's a
[4:49:11] Speaker 1: well he was he was a. Preterist if that tells
[4:49:14] Speaker 1: you his level of. Cognition kala, says Google Miles poff
[4:49:20] Speaker 1: band lab for Some doug approved music and rock out
[4:49:23] Speaker 1: rock cards For. Doug, well definitely will have to put
[4:49:25] Speaker 1: that on the, list my. Friend And joshua, says will
[4:49:29] Speaker 1: anything to do with these PEOPLE i like is. POSITIVE
[4:49:32] Speaker 1: i swear there's something in the water wherever these callers,
[4:49:35] Speaker 1: live you know WHAT i. MEAN i think they probably
[4:49:38] Speaker 1: just you, know got dropped on the, head maybe as.
[4:49:41] Speaker 1: Babies And booget, Says doug tells me you were taking song.
[4:49:46] Speaker 1: Requests i'm Not. BOOGET i love, you BUT i have
[4:49:51] Speaker 1: never been taking song requests, ever not. ONCE i don't
[4:49:55] Speaker 1: know why people keep sending me song. Requests there is
[4:49:57] Speaker 1: a thread in the discord where you can post atheist
[4:49:59] Speaker 1: SONG i am not taking song. REQUESTS i am totally backed.
[4:50:04] Speaker 1: Up And Samurai jack, says, hey, justin could it be
[4:50:07] Speaker 1: said That luke was more a detective than Disciple if
[4:50:11] Speaker 1: that's an acceptable, hermeneutic what do you take of his? Findings,
[4:50:15] Speaker 1: WELL i, mean he certainly wasn't a, disciple that's clear from.
[4:50:19] Speaker 1: That luke was never mentioned among The. Disciples he was
[4:50:22] Speaker 1: clearly a traveling companion Of. Paul If luke even Wrote
[4:50:26] Speaker 1: luke Or, acts that being, SAID i don't Think luke
[4:50:29] Speaker 1: Wrote luke Or. ACT i think that's just church. History you.
[4:50:32] Speaker 1: Know whoever wrote The gospel Of luke was playing detective.
[4:50:37] Speaker 1: THOUGH i agree with you there and most Definitely steps
[4:50:42] Speaker 1: is buried under temples inches of snow here In. Iowa that's.
[4:50:45] Speaker 1: Wild we didn't get that much. Here thankful for the
[4:50:48] Speaker 1: toasty barbecue, CHEERS ps gets some love to the small
[4:50:50] Speaker 1: business read In. DISCORD i didn't know there was. One,
[4:50:54] Speaker 1: guys go visit the small business hub in The. Discord,
[4:50:57] Speaker 1: shit there's stuff THERE i didn't even know. Existed and
[4:51:01] Speaker 1: thank you so. Much no mean bra for the. Supertesders
[4:51:05] Speaker 1: did you hear about the Two texans arrested by THE
[4:51:07] Speaker 1: fbi planning to enslave part Of haiti for pdfile. Behavior
[4:51:11] Speaker 1: if not look it, Up holy, shit that's fucked. Up
[4:51:17] Speaker 1: trying to trying to Enslave haitians poof in the modern
[4:51:24] Speaker 1: age is. Crazy i'm not. Shocked they must be, Religious braxton.
[4:51:27] Speaker 1: Says do These christians afraid Of Old testament know not
[4:51:32] Speaker 1: know What jesus' favorite book Was speaking of. Books do
[4:51:35] Speaker 1: you know what the cover of yours will be? IT
[4:51:37] Speaker 1: i do actually have a cover of, It storry. Design
[4:51:40] Speaker 1: it's already done for. SURE i got title, cover the
[4:51:43] Speaker 1: whole thing HOLDING i. Reactor thank you for the six sixty.
[4:51:46] Speaker 1: Six his music Is christianity's best contribution to. HUMANITY i don't,
[4:51:50] Speaker 1: disagree dies irate no idea what that means By verdi
[4:51:55] Speaker 1: is a, banger And bach And catholics invented sheet. Music
[4:51:58] Speaker 1: Rock car's. Product it is. True, listen the religions did
[4:52:03] Speaker 1: contribute music to society quite. Often bukit, SAYS. Ms can
[4:52:07] Speaker 1: you say bah baba booey? Please i'm sorry he's not
[4:52:13] Speaker 1: reading these supers AND i didn't see that in the. Chat,
[4:52:18] Speaker 1: well eventually we'll get him to say baba booi and
[4:52:22] Speaker 1: cedar sound says a Sim. A. Samana danya is also
[4:52:29] Speaker 1: shared In farsi as sky of the, world, interesting where
[4:52:34] Speaker 1: the word aceman literally means, sky as in the literal
[4:52:37] Speaker 1: physical sky above us helps to know language language when
[4:52:41] Speaker 1: reading a. Source so this is the, case AND i
[4:52:47] Speaker 1: do this with The bible a. Lot in The, bible
[4:52:49] Speaker 1: it's clear that the heavens is just the clouds above your.
[4:52:52] Speaker 1: Face that's. It they have no idea of outer space and,
[4:52:56] Speaker 1: design says, doctor certain things are only known By. God
[4:53:00] Speaker 1: is here to teach us? Science, YAY i, KNOW i love.
[4:53:03] Speaker 1: IT i love it when people retort To god that
[4:53:09] Speaker 1: they can't, prove and then they point to science that
[4:53:12] Speaker 1: they haven't really. Studied and everyone says the bone bone
[4:53:15] Speaker 1: is connected to The alah bone and The mohammad bone for,
[4:53:19] Speaker 1: sure apparently the bone of thirty, men And sedar says
[4:53:23] Speaker 1: The kuran might be more readable if they change the
[4:53:25] Speaker 1: wording of that fluid and rib passage to include the
[4:53:28] Speaker 1: phrase d's.
[4:53:29] Speaker 5: Nuts.
[4:53:31] Speaker 1: Indeed, actually here's here's my one. Complaint i'm in the
[4:53:34] Speaker 1: fourth chapter right now of The, koran and my biggest
[4:53:38] Speaker 1: complaint so far is just the just the. Repetition it
[4:53:41] Speaker 1: just repeats the same phrases and curses and warnings over
[4:53:47] Speaker 1: and over and over and over and over. Again it's
[4:53:51] Speaker 1: so fucking. Repetitive ran. Over patpat, says boy having ms
[4:53:57] Speaker 1: as an ally is a. Superpower man came up and
[4:54:00] Speaker 1: used a diagram and explained. IT i love, It, MATT i,
[4:54:03] Speaker 1: Know pat listen ems ems is the end boss For.
[4:54:07] Speaker 1: Islam in, Fact muslims look under their bed at night
[4:54:10] Speaker 1: FOR ms before they go to. Sleep that's how good he.
[4:54:13] Speaker 1: Is And ash, says praise To doug THAT i stopped
[4:54:17] Speaker 1: having to hear the word spurting or sporting fluid over
[4:54:20] Speaker 1: and over. Again Please doug hear my. Cry it did end, Eventually,
[4:54:25] Speaker 1: ash and we thank you for being. Here thank you
[4:54:26] Speaker 1: for super. Chatting and, YEAH i mean it's crazy that
[4:54:30] Speaker 1: the caller brought that up as her evidence. Too And texas,
[4:54:34] Speaker 1: says what guest Was that guest was a ball short
[4:54:38] Speaker 1: of a. SACK i mean technically two balls short of a.
[4:54:42] Speaker 1: Sack if you know WHAT i, mean you know What
[4:54:44] Speaker 1: i'm talking, About Doctor, joe thank you for the ten.
[4:54:46] Speaker 1: Hour Super chest Says In, christianity the words for adding
[4:54:49] Speaker 1: to the text are ice Of jesus or extra. Bibical
[4:54:53] Speaker 1: is there an equivalent For, ISLAM i mean other than bs.
[4:54:56] Speaker 1: HMM i don't. Know, ACTUALLY i WISH ms is here
[4:55:01] Speaker 1: for that. ONE i bet there is some sort of
[4:55:03] Speaker 1: idiom for, it if you know WHAT i, Mean i'm
[4:55:06] Speaker 1: sure there. Is Major General tao, says you're Too you're
[4:55:12] Speaker 1: far too reasonable with people who believe whatever they were told.
[4:55:14] Speaker 1: To sad that parents push this chunk on. Children the
[4:55:18] Speaker 1: results are. Scary it really is. Scary like they walk
[4:55:21] Speaker 1: around basically, brainwashed, right and then they they think that
[4:55:25] Speaker 1: we're crazy for not believing in their fairy. Tales, mcdubben
[4:55:28] Speaker 1: thinking for the ten that, supertest, Says doug rejecteth the
[4:55:31] Speaker 1: stiff and narrow. Vert he does not reject the, verts
[4:55:36] Speaker 1: but pleaseth himself with the whores who's spread wide to
[4:55:40] Speaker 1: receive the fullness of his glory rock, Card Glory apocrypha Of,
[4:55:47] Speaker 1: doug a Rock rifa Of doug six' nine amazing rock Card.
[4:55:52] Speaker 1: For doug. Wors harum, too stiff, too, narrow oof that's a.
[4:55:58] Speaker 5: Wild.
[4:55:58] Speaker 1: One mcdubbin that's a. Wild one. Evan says my wife
[4:56:01] Speaker 1: owes me no explanation for no. Schmecks, EVER yeah, i
[4:56:04] Speaker 1: mean as long as You're, not muslim that seems to be.
[4:56:07] Speaker 1: The case i'm, With. You evan beautiful. Cat too by,
[4:56:09] Speaker 1: The way, bozo says, YOUR honor i didn't beat him.
[4:56:13] Speaker 1: TO death i simply nudged him with my closed fist
[4:56:17] Speaker 1: until he stopped moving. EXACTLY exactly i nudged him really
[4:56:22] Speaker 1: good and then he. WAS dead i can't account For that.
[4:56:26] Speaker 1: Lily birth think if it was another Superdest says prilaguamy
[4:56:28] Speaker 1: has never been. The problem marrying, kids, is yeah to, Be,
[4:56:34] Speaker 1: sure like as, AN atheist i don't really have an opinion.
[4:56:37] Speaker 1: ON pligamy i think. IT'S silly i think it's a,
[4:56:39] Speaker 1: dumb move BUT like i don't think, it's WRONG but
[4:56:44] Speaker 1: i don't know Bearing, children, YEAH yeah i HAVE a
[4:56:48] Speaker 1: i have really fucking strongest. About that strong feelings. About that,
[4:56:52] Speaker 1: thorri says, what's uh whats you get to reliance Of
[4:56:55] Speaker 1: the Traveler authoritative, sharia text the horror gets worse and
[4:56:59] Speaker 1: worse is. LITERALLY fascism i think you mean once you
[4:57:02] Speaker 1: get two reliance Of, The, traveler okay.
[4:57:09] Speaker 2: It.
[4:57:09] Speaker 1: Really does if you think the kron, is bad wait
[4:57:12] Speaker 1: till you get to the narrations And The, hadiz oof.
[4:57:15] Speaker 1: That's crazy. No co good to see. You tonight thank
[4:57:19] Speaker 1: you for sending OUT ten dz debate. GIFTED memberships i really. Appreciate,
[4:57:22] Speaker 1: that FRIEND and, gp says in infinite regress of philbro, broken,
[4:57:26] Speaker 1: arguments indeed there's no end, of them and there will
[4:57:30] Speaker 1: never be an end. To them there's an infinity of
[4:57:32] Speaker 1: Them And jay danger says not collecting stamps is. A hobby,
[4:57:37] Speaker 1: Ass argument. Yes exactly being a not collector of stamps
[4:57:43] Speaker 1: is not a hobby of not, collecting stamps just like
[4:57:46] Speaker 1: not believing is not, a belief Not. The, bible jason
[4:57:50] Speaker 1: thank you for this. Super chap, my friend good to, see,
[4:57:52] Speaker 1: IT says i know it's a bit selfish, of me But,
[4:57:55] Speaker 1: FOR gebismiss i hopefully Request from Sharon and doug the
[4:57:59] Speaker 1: ability to ROTATE between Ms And seth andrews as the
[4:58:02] Speaker 1: narrator for all my. Audio, BOOKS well i can't control THAT,
[4:58:05] Speaker 1: with ms well Even. With Seth but seth is in
[4:58:09] Speaker 1: the business of doing. Some narrations i'm sure we can
[4:58:11] Speaker 1: find a way to make that. A reality gotta, Be
[4:58:14] Speaker 1: away good to, see you Jam and zelda says turtles
[4:58:18] Speaker 1: are the. UNCAUSED cause. I agree it's turtles all the,
[4:58:22] Speaker 1: way down, popped well from no top to. No, Bottom, turtles, turtles.
[4:58:28] Speaker 1: TURTLES turtles Jp says i've. Done research I'm A young,
[4:58:33] Speaker 1: earth creationist. SAME person. I know Being A young earth
[4:58:38] Speaker 1: creationist and saying that you've done research is just an
[4:58:42] Speaker 1: admission that you're a goof you're a clown and really
[4:58:45] Speaker 1: you should be Clowned on Aaron says josh should Have
[4:58:49] Speaker 1: Watched james tour Debate With. Professor dave he also has
[4:58:52] Speaker 1: an excellent video On Why james tour is considered a
[4:58:54] Speaker 1: fraud in. MODERN academia i didn't realize that was so
[4:58:58] Speaker 1: much of. THE case i have to check. INTO it
[4:59:00] Speaker 1: I still i still haven't read or watched. That debate
[4:59:03] Speaker 1: it's on my list of things. To do the baddest,
[4:59:07] Speaker 1: b says have you Ever used genesis too twenty one
[4:59:11] Speaker 1: To prove god takes away free will To make eve
[4:59:13] Speaker 1: but didn't till get free will to stop the Fall?
[4:59:15] Speaker 1: Of MAN so i don't Usually use genesis to twenty
[4:59:19] Speaker 1: one in. That fashion but the reality is there's lots
[4:59:22] Speaker 1: of passages In the Bible of god taking people's free.
[4:59:24] Speaker 1: WILL away i mean there's so many. OF them i
[4:59:30] Speaker 1: used to do a whole live topic. On, this, actually
[4:59:33] Speaker 1: yeah there's tons of examples. OF It a bimlech And
[4:59:36] Speaker 1: his household is one of my favorites helping make it
[4:59:39] Speaker 1: deconstructions is these bad talking Points By james tour have
[4:59:42] Speaker 1: been thoroughly Debunked By professor dave online and. In person
[4:59:45] Speaker 1: please watch someone not paid. By creationists i've got to.
[4:59:50] Speaker 1: Do this, hold on i gotta go to YouTube and just.
[4:59:54] Speaker 1: Do pourers by, the way it.
[4:59:59] Speaker 17: Still has but of course after levick with this car
[5:00:02] Speaker 17: for about a month and putting some miles, on it
[5:00:04] Speaker 17: you tend to form. Some opinions so if you're in
[5:00:06] Speaker 17: the market for a new model y where you're thinking about.
[5:00:11] Speaker 11: What it's like to actually live with. This car the
[5:00:14] Speaker 11: good some of the, head scratchers this is.
[5:00:16] Speaker 1: The TRUTH since i had an entire let's get. Started
[5:00:20] Speaker 1: with let's start with. The GOOD what i really found surprising.
[5:00:26] Speaker 7: And the top of the list.
[5:00:27] Speaker 1: For me you KNOW that i come from a hardware
[5:00:29] Speaker 1: three card that he didn't actually review any, Competing literature
[5:00:35] Speaker 1: So hardno, CHIMP says i have missed this. Whole call
[5:00:39] Speaker 1: i've been drinking and ARGUING because i don't have to
[5:00:42] Speaker 1: work the next. Two days It's going is it? GOING
[5:00:45] Speaker 1: well i think it's been. Going well Gave FOR justin Rockcrd.
[5:00:47] Speaker 1: FOR doug i think it's been going. Real well i'm
[5:00:51] Speaker 1: not going to be staying up till. MIDNIGHT tonight i
[5:00:53] Speaker 1: ended it roughly. On time maybe fifteen, minutes EARLY so
[5:00:56] Speaker 1: i can get in bed, on TIME so i can
[5:00:57] Speaker 1: get up in. The morning, BUT yeah i think it's.
[5:00:59] Speaker 1: Going well, booget says my Name, is ISAIAH and i
[5:01:02] Speaker 1: jump every time, you say, Oh fuck, I'm. Sorry boogit
[5:01:06] Speaker 1: isaiah comes up a lot in. These conversations i'll try
[5:01:09] Speaker 1: not to. Startle you alex Does if god, doesn't Change
[5:01:14] Speaker 1: does exodus twenty twenty five mean modern altars? Are Profane Praise.
[5:01:19] Speaker 1: DOUG well, I mean i if you talk To, a
[5:01:24] Speaker 1: christian they're Gonna say god's character, doesn't change but his, law.
[5:01:29] Speaker 1: Does right and so that's the problem you have when
[5:01:31] Speaker 1: you're doing apologetics and anti apologetics is you now have
[5:01:35] Speaker 1: to demonstrate for why Not only god, doesn't change but
[5:01:39] Speaker 1: the law, doesn't change because they're not the. Same thing
[5:01:42] Speaker 1: but it does say in according to, the law does
[5:01:45] Speaker 1: if you make an altar, of stone do not Build
[5:01:47] Speaker 1: upon or if you make an altar for me an altar,
[5:01:50] Speaker 1: of stone do not build it of. Hewn stones for
[5:01:54] Speaker 1: if you use a chisel pon you. Profane it, so,
[5:01:57] Speaker 1: like yeah if somebody was trying to Follow the Law
[5:01:59] Speaker 1: of moses and they chiseled the, altar yeah it would be,
[5:02:03] Speaker 1: a Problem but christians will, just, say well we don't
[5:02:06] Speaker 1: have to abide by. This anymore Pepat says god's laws,
[5:02:09] Speaker 1: are magical justin they change like when and Non that
[5:02:12] Speaker 1: god's laws are unchanging, and perfect except did you know
[5:02:15] Speaker 1: that they? Also change and for brilliant thank you for
[5:02:19] Speaker 1: the Ten hours Australian says josh repent rock Hard. For
[5:02:22] Speaker 1: doug your teaching leads you to become the least of them. In,
[5:02:26] Speaker 1: heaven indeed indeed that is. The case but you know
[5:02:31] Speaker 1: he did read some ancient Commentaries. By augustine so what
[5:02:35] Speaker 1: are you? Gonna do, Martin, says justin you are the
[5:02:39] Speaker 1: king of atheists and prince of the. SUPER chat i
[5:02:42] Speaker 1: didn't know that was. The case, hell yeah berts are
[5:02:45] Speaker 1: misled Apostles. Of doug that is. Not true the verts
[5:02:48] Speaker 1: are part of. The stream horizontal and vertical are Required
[5:02:53] Speaker 1: for doug to, be pleased as we hats know the Truth.
[5:02:57] Speaker 1: OF doug, i, mean, uh, whores listen if you're gonna
[5:03:03] Speaker 1: talk shade on, the verts you gotta spell. Hores. Correctly
[5:03:06] Speaker 1: martin i'm, just Saying, and AARON because i Feel like
[5:03:09] Speaker 1: i've heard you have this exact Conversation with josh a
[5:03:12] Speaker 1: dozen TIMES before i genuinely double checked to make sure
[5:03:16] Speaker 1: wasn't an. OLD clip i actually PRETTY sure i am
[5:03:19] Speaker 1: had that exact conversation with that. Exact individual i'm pretty sure,
[5:03:23] Speaker 1: of IT and, gp says imagine saying nuh ah to
[5:03:27] Speaker 1: the tapestry of evidence, for evolution but not once questioning
[5:03:31] Speaker 1: your bronze age Bullshit And james tor get the fuck out.
[5:03:35] Speaker 1: WITH that i know, You know i've Never watched james,
[5:03:39] Speaker 1: tor Nonsense So i'm i'm new to. His bullshit i'll
[5:03:42] Speaker 1: have to check. It up that's. On me bryce, a'
[5:03:46] Speaker 1: roney good to, see you. My friend thank you for a,
[5:03:47] Speaker 1: super Chat says josh doesn't understand that we are interrogating the.
[5:03:53] Speaker 1: Law itself whether it was followed or broken or not
[5:03:57] Speaker 1: is irrelevant to whether the law. IS just i, Know, Well,
[5:04:00] Speaker 1: bryce ronie he knew, that too which is why EVERY
[5:04:03] Speaker 1: time i brought, it up he had to keep going
[5:04:05] Speaker 1: back to the same broken talking point and we were going.
[5:04:08] Speaker 1: In circles he knew that the law. Was unjust that's
[5:04:12] Speaker 1: why he had no response. For it EVERY time i
[5:04:14] Speaker 1: asked him if the law, was just he just, went,
[5:04:16] Speaker 1: to well you can't show that it ever got enacted
[5:04:19] Speaker 1: because he knows. It's unjust he was too cowardly to.
[5:04:22] Speaker 1: SAY it i think the, truth says the problem is,
[5:04:24] Speaker 1: the law not examples of it. Being done the law.
[5:04:28] Speaker 1: Is fucked oh and don't kill, the guy just. The,
[5:04:31] Speaker 1: women yes there's not a single test for male virginity
[5:04:37] Speaker 1: and All. The bible, in fact being reprimanded for a
[5:04:43] Speaker 1: man for not being a virgin is basically, unheard of
[5:04:46] Speaker 1: like unless you're committing adultery or something of. That nature
[5:04:51] Speaker 1: push the scripture is good to, see you. Beautiful puppy
[5:04:54] Speaker 1: thank you for, your donation. MY friend i appreciate that.
[5:04:57] Speaker 1: BIG w i hope you're. Doing well and we got
[5:04:59] Speaker 1: an another ten dollars super Chet. From twisted thank you
[5:05:02] Speaker 1: so much for the. Super says Thank you justin for
[5:05:05] Speaker 1: everything you've taught me to UNDERSTAND what i taught. Wasn't
[5:05:09] Speaker 1: true thanks for helping me unravel THE lies i was taught.
[5:05:12] Speaker 1: In church rock Hard, for doug simply What?
[5:05:14] Speaker 5: For sharon?
[5:05:15] Speaker 1: Thank You but twisted is great to hear from. You
[5:05:17] Speaker 1: again thank you for being here in supporting to stream
[5:05:20] Speaker 1: its supporters like you that make this, whole channel in
[5:05:23] Speaker 1: the whole, community possible my friend and designed good to see.
[5:05:27] Speaker 1: You again thank you for the. Ten dollars, supertest says
[5:05:28] Speaker 1: to Prove, their god they'll shift these terrible laws from
[5:05:32] Speaker 1: just to misunderstood to non existing without considering how far
[5:05:37] Speaker 1: a shifting. Law works to disprove A competent god couldn't.
[5:05:41] Speaker 1: Agree more they're going to shift it as much as
[5:05:44] Speaker 1: possible because they know that morals change with time, and
[5:05:48] Speaker 1: culture and their book doesn't. Say that their book says
[5:05:51] Speaker 1: the opposite, of that except for Writings of paul. And
[5:05:54] Speaker 1: beyond so they have to account for how There's a
[5:05:57] Speaker 1: god that is unchanging character has, unchanging law and then.
[5:06:00] Speaker 1: They change mc, dubbin says, especially today Sounds like josh
[5:06:04] Speaker 1: is a. Subjective moralist why did this honest Human, possf yes.
[5:06:09] Speaker 11: He was.
[5:06:11] Speaker 1: He believes in, subjective morals even though he explicitly said
[5:06:17] Speaker 1: that he doesn't believe in, subjective morals he doesn't believe in.
[5:06:20] Speaker 1: Relative morals but turned out he's. A liar, BOOGET says
[5:06:23] Speaker 1: i love the. Bloody sheet the best position they Get
[5:06:27] Speaker 1: is god had a command for fourteen hundred years that
[5:06:30] Speaker 1: would have allowed or resulted in fifty seven percent of
[5:06:32] Speaker 1: women getting stoned to death for something as meaningless as
[5:06:36] Speaker 1: not being. A virgin. I agree i Loved jod army.
[5:06:39] Speaker 1: TWENTY two i FEEL like i was the one that
[5:06:41] Speaker 1: popularized that in, the Community and i'll never stop talking.
[5:06:45] Speaker 1: About it it is forever and always my favorite. Talking
[5:06:48] Speaker 1: point it's. My favorite it just can't. Be beat it
[5:06:51] Speaker 1: gets it on, factual basis, scientific basis and justice all in.
[5:06:55] Speaker 1: One Swoop, adam brown thinking for the, additional, supertest says
[5:07:00] Speaker 1: it's Amazing that god's omnipotence was limited to the imagination
[5:07:04] Speaker 1: Of The bronze age. Goat, herders also dressing is better
[5:07:08] Speaker 1: than stuffing, very drunk very drunk, As, Fuck, DOUG listen
[5:07:17] Speaker 1: i don't Believe that thanksgiving dressing is better than. THE
[5:07:22] Speaker 1: stuffing i like the. Stuffing better that, being said you're
[5:07:26] Speaker 1: allowed to like what you like in terms. Of food
[5:07:29] Speaker 1: if you want to forego the stuffing and have the
[5:07:32] Speaker 1: gravy all for, Your friend i'm. With you i'll support
[5:07:35] Speaker 1: your right. For Gravy, and jeff thank you so much
[5:07:38] Speaker 1: for the ten, thousand ws whatever. Those are because Why
[5:07:43] Speaker 1: do Christians think god needs to adjust his laws according
[5:07:45] Speaker 1: to the culture of. The time well. He doesn't they
[5:07:49] Speaker 1: have to say that because they have to find a
[5:07:51] Speaker 1: way to Explain why god's changing his laws all over
[5:07:54] Speaker 1: the place and why he Gives bad, ones says, of
[5:07:57] Speaker 1: course He's. Fucking god. He can't he just us tell
[5:08:00] Speaker 1: them to let female, captives go not to, murder babies
[5:08:03] Speaker 1: not to. Own, slaves, Indeed yeah god could. Do that
[5:08:06] Speaker 1: god's not required to give you laws that you're. Comfortable
[5:08:10] Speaker 1: with he tells you the opposite. Of that, it says
[5:08:13] Speaker 1: you used to, do this don't do. This anymore don't
[5:08:17] Speaker 1: be like the Nations that i'm driving out. Before, you
[5:08:22] Speaker 1: hank think of, the Supertest. Says love when hobby apologists,
[5:08:25] Speaker 1: step up tell you they're not, a scientist then based
[5:08:28] Speaker 1: their apologetics on their understanding of, SCIENTIFIC opinions i know
[5:08:33] Speaker 1: bad cherry picked ones do it that no, scientific consensuses
[5:08:37] Speaker 1: just cherry. Picked science and, matsh says justin you need
[5:08:41] Speaker 1: ween in, your life, MY man i don't know what
[5:08:44] Speaker 1: mean what? Ween is? What's? Ween?
[5:08:48] Speaker 8: Uh?
[5:08:48] Speaker 1: Ween oh? A band It's an american. Rock band never
[5:08:55] Speaker 1: never listen. To Them they're they're not terribly far from
[5:08:58] Speaker 1: Either're from PA maybe, I DO maybe. I Do handsome,
[5:09:02] Speaker 1: cat says how are those cherubs on the arc not? Graven,
[5:09:06] Speaker 1: images well to, be fair that's a really. Good point.
[5:09:14] Speaker 1: They are they are an image of. Something above and
[5:09:17] Speaker 1: he says in the laws not to make any images
[5:09:20] Speaker 1: of what is above. Or Below so i'm led to
[5:09:23] Speaker 1: believe What a christian would say, is well it's Okay
[5:09:27] Speaker 1: when god tells you to. Do it there's like, an
[5:09:29] Speaker 1: exception there's.
[5:09:30] Speaker 7: A Loophole.
[5:09:32] Speaker 1: And, gary says a couple bucks to keep it up
[5:09:34] Speaker 1: and Buy. A lucid, fuck, ME listen i would love
[5:09:38] Speaker 1: to Buy A lucid air. ONE day i don't KNOW
[5:09:40] Speaker 1: if i would ever bring myself to spend that kind
[5:09:42] Speaker 1: of money on. A vehicle And so i'm gonna drive
[5:09:44] Speaker 1: it for. Twenty years But the lucid ev is unfucking
[5:09:50] Speaker 1: believable as. An ev eventually the industry will. Catch up,
[5:09:54] Speaker 1: But yeah i'll tell, You what i'll at least put
[5:09:58] Speaker 1: it towards a cup. Of coffee i'll tell you. That
[5:10:00] Speaker 1: much thank you, for that, my Friend, and alia thank
[5:10:04] Speaker 1: you or ala, ala ursus thank you for your ten.
[5:10:07] Speaker 1: DOLLARS donation i really. Appreciate that big w and. Human
[5:10:10] Speaker 1: exception thank you for your. Ten dollars, supertest Says if
[5:10:13] Speaker 1: god is bound, by culture then culture is the. Higher,
[5:10:17] Speaker 1: power Indeed if god's bound, by anything he's not the,
[5:10:20] Speaker 1: highest power that's. For Sure, and brandon thank you for
[5:10:24] Speaker 1: the twenty seven to ninety. Nine dollars canadian, chat says
[5:10:28] Speaker 1: irc are you still accepting stories Of? FRINGE christians i
[5:10:32] Speaker 1: am actually grew Up. Extremely Calvinist funday sundays. Were church
[5:10:38] Speaker 1: only about fifty out of five thousand people in my
[5:10:40] Speaker 1: twenty ish years weren't damned to the. Worst hell thanks
[5:10:44] Speaker 1: for all.
[5:10:44] Speaker 2: You do.
[5:10:48] Speaker 1: Calvinists are, like this and please do contact me on. The,
[5:10:51] Speaker 1: discord well maybe we'll we'll be able to swap some
[5:10:55] Speaker 1: stories and we'll see if we can set up a
[5:10:58] Speaker 1: time to get. You on and last super Chat. From
[5:11:01] Speaker 1: pharaoh pharaoh says we need the deuterono be twenty one.
[5:11:04] Speaker 1: To twelve from a little girl's point, of, view, debased, head,
[5:11:08] Speaker 1: shaved disarmed then said by the man who ended, Her
[5:11:13] Speaker 1: family Jesus. FUCKING christ, I, agree pharrell it's a horrific
[5:11:17] Speaker 1: Passage that god allows you, to murder murdered the entire
[5:11:23] Speaker 1: family of somebody and then kidnapped the little virgin girls
[5:11:28] Speaker 1: and force them to be your. War brides it's unfucking
[5:11:32] Speaker 1: believable in. Any age there's no age in Which it's
[5:11:37] Speaker 1: gasha's good resigned the.
[5:11:39] Speaker 3: Shining price that.
[5:11:40] Speaker 1: Being said we're gonna Go. RAID joel i gotta go,
[5:11:43] Speaker 1: to bed but we're gonna Go. Raid joel he's live
[5:11:45] Speaker 1: on TikTok. And YouTube go Check Out Joel. Reid's bible
[5:11:50] Speaker 1: he's got two hundred and sixty three pot watching on YouTube.
[5:11:53] Speaker 1: Right now he's probably got a couple hundred watching on.
[5:11:55] Speaker 1: TikTok already go. Tell him Justin and doug. Sent you
[5:12:00] Speaker 1: i'll come over in a few minutes to say. Hi
[5:12:02] Speaker 1: Myself but joel. IS amazing i can't believe anyone who's
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[5:12:09] Speaker 1: joel if you're. Not already Joel reads bible and thank
[5:12:12] Speaker 1: you so much for. Being. HERE friends i really love and.
[5:12:14] Speaker 1: APPRECIATE everybody i appreciate all, the, likes shares comments. In
[5:12:17] Speaker 1: supers your support really does mean the world. To me
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[5:12:23] Speaker 1: Great one they had to. KIDDIE too
[5:12:32] Speaker 5: I know buddy

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