# 2025-11-03 LIVE DEBATE \[Justin and Christina - Why Should We Believe In Your God?\]

An episode of [Deconstruction Zone](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1837730286), 6 Jan 2026, 4 h 51 min.

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## Transcript

[0:00] Speaker 1: The horizontal stream and then we'll turn on our vertical stream.
[0:08] Speaker 1: I heard of feedback just for a moment. Is it
[0:10] Speaker 1: better now? It's like, oh yeah, it's interesting. It started
[0:17] Speaker 1: just now as we started the live. But let me
[0:19] Speaker 1: grab one second. All right, what about now?
[0:29] Speaker 2: Interesting?
[0:31] Speaker 1: Yeah? Huh? What about now?
[0:35] Speaker 3: What about now?
[0:37] Speaker 2: Okay, I don't hear it now?
[0:38] Speaker 4: All right?
[0:39] Speaker 1: One second? One second, one second? All right, we'll see
[0:48] Speaker 1: if that's If that's any better, can you hear me?
[0:50] Speaker 5: All right?
[0:53] Speaker 4: Yeah?
[0:53] Speaker 2: You just sound low now.
[0:55] Speaker 1: Yeah, both of us sound a little bit low right now.
[0:57] Speaker 1: It can be one second then second, mm hmmmmmm all right,
[1:10] Speaker 1: I would see if it's the same better. Oh well,
[1:16] Speaker 1: we'll lost Christina. Oh no, well what hey, friends, welcome in.
[1:22] Speaker 1: We're gonna be doing a special stream tonight with our
[1:26] Speaker 1: friend Christina. We'll see if this works any better. Oh, Paud,
[1:36] Speaker 1: on a second, I didn't catch your your audio. Try again?
[1:51] Speaker 1: Mm hmmmmmm all right. I think I think the connection
[1:58] Speaker 1: from your iPhone is just a little bit slow, which
[2:01] Speaker 1: I think was that caused the delay. See if this
[2:04] Speaker 1: is any better, I'm going to turn all the echo
[2:07] Speaker 1: cancelations off and the noise suppression off as well and
[2:11] Speaker 1: see if that works for us. You can hear me. Okay,
[2:15] Speaker 1: that's interesting. I can't hear you. Oh sorry, because you're muted.
[2:19] Speaker 1: Now he's able to hear you.
[2:21] Speaker 2: I can hear you.
[2:24] Speaker 1: I hear you clear, Okay, we can fix fix the
[2:28] Speaker 1: volume of though. Really interesting. The echo cancelation when I
[2:38] Speaker 1: turn it on for just your microphone causes static. Micro
[2:44] Speaker 1: causes static. I think it's because your connection is kind
[2:49] Speaker 1: of delayed. And see if it catches up. Do you
[2:51] Speaker 1: have Wi Fi? Yeah, yeah, okay, I'm gonna turn let's
[2:59] Speaker 1: see sure. I'm gonna turn the echo cancelation all the
[3:05] Speaker 1: way off and turn your volume up and see if
[3:07] Speaker 1: that works. Because I can barely hear you right now,
[3:12] Speaker 1: although I can hear me echoing. Although I can hear
[3:14] Speaker 1: me echoing. It's strange that it didn't start happening until
[3:20] Speaker 1: we started the live stream. We were fined pre live stream.
[3:25] Speaker 6: It's kind of a nuisance, all right, let me see.
[3:42] Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Rea, join on your MacBooks because I feel
[3:45] Speaker 1: like it might be your iPhone. Okay, thanks Christina, Sorry
[3:51] Speaker 1: about the friends. We tested all the audio like fifteen
[3:55] Speaker 1: minutes ago to see if it was working, and everything
[3:58] Speaker 1: was worth, everything was working, and now that we hit go,
[4:05] Speaker 1: if not, everything working, but she'll be back at a second,
[4:09] Speaker 1: she'll join up on the MacBook. That's fine, this would
[4:11] Speaker 1: be a good opportunity. We'll get some guests loaded up,
[4:16] Speaker 1: I'll read a couple of super chats, and I'll get
[4:18] Speaker 1: the I'll get the TikTok stream ready to go. One second,
[4:32] Speaker 1: all right, TikTok should be loaded up here in a second,
[4:37] Speaker 1: here you go, TikTok stream is up and running, and
[4:42] Speaker 1: Christina will be back with us in just a second
[4:45] Speaker 1: with her MacBook. Let me grab some super chet friends
[4:50] Speaker 1: while we're waiting for Christina to make her return, and
[4:53] Speaker 1: then we'll we'll probably have everything rated rock and roll
[4:57] Speaker 1: here in a minute. Delve, thank you so much for
[5:00] Speaker 1: the ten that our super chat Deve says. Would a
[5:03] Speaker 1: Jesus advocate or so would a Jesus's advocate be an
[5:07] Speaker 1: atheist that is trying to steal man Christianity? It kind
[5:10] Speaker 1: of seems that way, Like if you're like playing Jesus's advocate,
[5:14] Speaker 1: I would assume that you don't believe in Jesus, but
[5:17] Speaker 1: you're going to make a case for Jesus' existence or
[5:21] Speaker 1: something that's the way I would I would look at it.
[5:24] Speaker 1: And doctor Dave, good to see you, says, wish you
[5:27] Speaker 1: all a great cookout, rock card for Doug and simply
[5:29] Speaker 1: what for Sharon. Well, thank you, doctor Dave. I appreciate that.
[5:31] Speaker 1: And it's certainly gonna be. It's gonna be a fun one.
[5:34] Speaker 1: Christina's sharp and doctor Dave says, enjoy the cookouts to night,
[5:37] Speaker 1: will catch up tomorrow. Well, thank you doctor Dave for
[5:40] Speaker 1: the doubles super chat and helping Mega deconstruct says, praise
[5:43] Speaker 1: be to Doug and Sharon for this fall back cookout.
[5:47] Speaker 1: Oh yeah, because the time, Yes, yes, yes. Can Doug
[5:50] Speaker 1: smite those who implemented daylight saving times in America? I
[5:53] Speaker 1: wish he would because it is the dumbest it's the
[5:57] Speaker 1: dumbest system. We don't need it. Just leave leave daylight
[6:00] Speaker 1: savings time on so we get more daylight in the
[6:03] Speaker 1: evening and be done with it. I don't I don't
[6:05] Speaker 1: understand why we still do this. I don't know why.
[6:07] Speaker 1: It's such a silly It's a nonsensical thing that we do.
[6:12] Speaker 1: And Hank's geology is my theology rock hard for Doug. Well,
[6:17] Speaker 1: thank you, Hank, and yes geology is my theology as well,
[6:21] Speaker 1: and also from our friend Gretchen. Great to see you.
[6:24] Speaker 1: Christian says, wow, Dalton looks kind of different, Hi, Christina, Yeah,
[6:31] Speaker 1: don't looks a little bit different today. Well, we're I
[6:34] Speaker 1: created a format for bringing on guest creators so that
[6:41] Speaker 1: we can do it kind of like what we're doing
[6:43] Speaker 1: on the Atheists Experience and on the line. It should
[6:46] Speaker 1: be a lot of fun with this particular format. We're
[6:49] Speaker 1: not gonna be doing it every week. This would be
[6:51] Speaker 1: like we'll call them special sessions. But I think the
[6:54] Speaker 1: format should work out. Okay, all right, Christina is back
[6:57] Speaker 1: with us. Give me one second. We'll get Christina pulled in.
[7:03] Speaker 1: All right, we'll see if this is any better.
[7:08] Speaker 2: Can you hear me?
[7:09] Speaker 1: I can hear you now?
[7:10] Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't hear any sthetic?
[7:13] Speaker 1: Perfect, And then I'm gonna turn your mic up a
[7:16] Speaker 1: little bit louder. Let me know, guys if her mic
[7:18] Speaker 1: needs to go up or down, and we'll make sure
[7:21] Speaker 1: that everyone can hear Christina. Okay, all right, I got one, two, three,
[7:30] Speaker 1: five more super chats friends, and we should have a
[7:32] Speaker 1: guest loaded up here any moment. If you're watching on TikTok.
[7:35] Speaker 1: You already know how to get into the guest request.
[7:37] Speaker 1: You just hit that guest request button and we'll pull
[7:39] Speaker 1: you right in. If you're watching on YouTube, there's a
[7:42] Speaker 1: link on thescreen tiny dot, c c Forge slash dz
[7:45] Speaker 1: guest you can get into the conversation. And Christina and
[7:50] Speaker 1: I would love to talk about, Hey, why should we
[7:52] Speaker 1: believe in your God? We'd love to know. Jay H says,
[7:56] Speaker 1: pouring out a double drink offering of crack and production.
[7:59] Speaker 1: I see you have brought a prophetess on board, looking
[8:02] Speaker 1: forward to the barbecue. Indeed we have, Indeed we have, Well, Christina,
[8:09] Speaker 1: we have one guest already loaded up. So let's grab
[8:12] Speaker 1: our first guest and we'll we'll get rolling with it. Also, Parker,
[8:16] Speaker 1: thank you for the galaxy. All right, Sargon of a Cad,
[8:21] Speaker 1: can you hear us?
[8:24] Speaker 4: Unfortunately?
[8:25] Speaker 1: Yes, Oh Sargon, I know who you are. You just
[8:29] Speaker 1: jump up, Yeah, you just come up and bitch and
[8:32] Speaker 1: call people names today, justin No, you you want to
[8:36] Speaker 1: paint him for me?
[8:38] Speaker 7: Fuck no, you're supposed to be a man. You don't
[8:40] Speaker 7: paint your fucking damn.
[8:42] Speaker 1: Hold on a second, crick, let me get the micro
[8:47] Speaker 1: audio routed to you. Yeah, okay, hey, hey, mods on TikTok,
[8:52] Speaker 1: make sure and just ban Sargon of a cod He's
[8:55] Speaker 1: a whiny little bitch. Don't don't ever let him come
[8:58] Speaker 1: up if you ever see him again. He just comes
[9:00] Speaker 1: into atheist live streams and like calls them names and
[9:03] Speaker 1: thinks that he's doing something for the Lord. I don't
[9:05] Speaker 1: know why he thinks that he's making Jesus proud.
[9:09] Speaker 2: It's most unfortunate.
[9:11] Speaker 1: That's all they have friends. All right, guys, I'm gonna
[9:14] Speaker 1: read a couple of supertests while we're doing If you're
[9:16] Speaker 1: watching on YouTube, go to the description of this video
[9:19] Speaker 1: and follow Christina's YouTube account. She's got a YouTube account.
[9:22] Speaker 1: I linked it in the description of the video. If
[9:25] Speaker 1: you're watching on TikTok, I can't imagine you don't already
[9:28] Speaker 1: follow Christina Carrol, but go and follow Christina Carroll on TikTok.
[9:32] Speaker 1: In fact, Christina, if you guessed up on your phone
[9:35] Speaker 1: since during your computer, now guessed up on your phone
[9:38] Speaker 1: so people know where your TikTok account is, will make
[9:40] Speaker 1: sure that they can follow you. Also, people in the
[9:44] Speaker 1: chat saying saragone that is diabolical by the way. That's
[9:47] Speaker 1: a that's a great use of words.
[9:50] Speaker 2: Gone, that's true.
[9:52] Speaker 1: All right, We're gonna get Wooby in here next, Yoda.
[9:55] Speaker 1: Great to see you tonight. Thank you for the time
[9:56] Speaker 1: that our supertest says the midst of a schism, schism,
[10:00] Speaker 1: he brings in a new priestess to guide us. Sharon
[10:03] Speaker 1: has spoken to her prophet, and the word was good
[10:06] Speaker 1: sect of Sharon, horizontal for Doug, simply what for Sharon?
[10:10] Speaker 5: What?
[10:10] Speaker 1: Thank you? Yoda? I appreciate that. All right, we're gonna
[10:13] Speaker 1: get Wooby in your and see, uh see you've ben
[10:17] Speaker 1: get some conversation rolling, Yeah, Hello, Yeah, how you doing, Wooby?
[10:23] Speaker 5: Good? How are you?
[10:24] Speaker 1: And you're doing all right? Wooby? Are you at least eighteen?
[10:27] Speaker 1: And do you believe in God? Uh? Yes?
[10:30] Speaker 8: And yes?
[10:31] Speaker 5: Okay?
[10:32] Speaker 1: And is it a particular God or is it a
[10:34] Speaker 1: specific god? Generic God?
[10:38] Speaker 4: Yeah?
[10:38] Speaker 8: I believe in the Christian God. Are you an atheist?
[10:41] Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah? Why was why do you think Christina I
[10:44] Speaker 1: should believe in your Goden?
[10:49] Speaker 8: Sorry? I was that a question for Christina?
[10:51] Speaker 1: It was for you. I said, why should Christina and
[10:53] Speaker 1: I believe in your God?
[10:55] Speaker 9: Oh?
[10:56] Speaker 8: So there's plenty of like deductive evidence in favor of
[10:58] Speaker 8: the necessity of the Christian God's existence. Should be happy
[11:01] Speaker 8: to present it if you want.
[11:02] Speaker 1: Yeah, go for it. Give me your best tag argument.
[11:06] Speaker 8: Well, I wouldn't be using the transiental argument, but i'd
[11:08] Speaker 8: be using like a contingency argument.
[11:10] Speaker 9: So the idea would just be that, yeah, all.
[11:16] Speaker 5: Do you you're familiar with.
[11:18] Speaker 1: Yeah, so we'll just do P one. How do you
[11:19] Speaker 1: want a word?
[11:20] Speaker 5: P one?
[11:22] Speaker 4: Sure?
[11:22] Speaker 8: So the first premise is all contingent facts have an explanation.
[11:28] Speaker 1: So all contingent facts. Yeah, that's r all right, go ahead.
[11:33] Speaker 5: Pe two.
[11:35] Speaker 8: The second premise is just that there's a contingent fact
[11:37] Speaker 8: about all contingent facts.
[11:42] Speaker 1: Sure, about all contingent facts. There's a contingent fact about
[11:51] Speaker 1: all contingent facts.
[11:54] Speaker 8: Yeah, that's right. So the third premise is just going
[11:57] Speaker 8: to be that there's an explanation for this.
[11:58] Speaker 1: Fact, for all facts, or just this fact, well.
[12:08] Speaker 8: For that fact, because that fact is a fact about
[12:10] Speaker 8: all contingent facts, that itself is contingent, so that fact.
[12:16] Speaker 1: Yeah. So before we get too many premises, deep Rema's
[12:19] Speaker 1: number one is all contingent facts have an explanation. Do
[12:22] Speaker 1: you care to explain what you mean? By contingent facts.
[12:28] Speaker 8: Yeah, a contingent fact is just a fact that's true
[12:30] Speaker 8: in like the actual world, but not true in all
[12:32] Speaker 8: logically possible worlds.
[12:34] Speaker 1: Okay, so in your worldview, then it says all facts
[12:38] Speaker 1: that are true in this world is what you would say.
[12:41] Speaker 1: We'll say all facts that are true in this world
[12:47] Speaker 1: has an explanation. Also, before we get too much further,
[12:52] Speaker 1: me make sure we get this for a book. Phil
[12:54] Speaker 1: bro Timer started. All right, we've already wasted probably too many,
[13:01] Speaker 1: so we'll set it to eight minutes.
[13:02] Speaker 5: Here.
[13:03] Speaker 8: This is a rational argument. Are you're not a rational person,
[13:06] Speaker 8: you can call it.
[13:07] Speaker 1: Whatever you want. So the way this works, and it's
[13:12] Speaker 1: okay if you're you're confused because you think you walked
[13:14] Speaker 1: into a philosophy class.
[13:16] Speaker 4: And you didn't.
[13:16] Speaker 1: The way it works is you only get ten minutes
[13:19] Speaker 1: for your argument. When you want to run bad syllogisms
[13:22] Speaker 1: every time, we have to stop you to explain your
[13:25] Speaker 1: verbiage because you're not in a philosophy class, and you're
[13:28] Speaker 1: certainly not in a philosophy setting. You're just going to
[13:32] Speaker 1: lose time on your clock. So then where we're at.
[13:36] Speaker 1: Then premise number one is all facts that are will
[13:40] Speaker 1: say true in this world? Have an explanation. Do you
[13:43] Speaker 1: agree with that?
[13:45] Speaker 5: Yeah?
[13:45] Speaker 8: Sure? Just to be clear, you said the sylgism giving
[13:47] Speaker 8: is a bad one. Can you name the inference rule
[13:49] Speaker 8: that the argument is following?
[13:50] Speaker 5: Go ahead?
[13:52] Speaker 1: Do you just want to give the argument or do
[13:54] Speaker 1: you want to do like Pettifog like Samantha to name
[13:58] Speaker 1: the inference role.
[13:58] Speaker 8: It's going to be like a dodge. You look really
[14:00] Speaker 8: bad right now.
[14:00] Speaker 1: So anyway, yeah, so we'll be I think you're confused
[14:05] Speaker 1: about what happens here. So we didn't like take your
[14:09] Speaker 1: we like we I went to school to get a
[14:11] Speaker 1: real degree, Like I didn't take all your philosophy classes,
[14:14] Speaker 1: which means like I don't know any of your insider jargon.
[14:17] Speaker 1: The fact that you learned some cool philosophy jargon is
[14:20] Speaker 1: not impressive here. In fact, all it's really going to
[14:22] Speaker 1: do is waste time on your clock. So, like, if
[14:24] Speaker 1: I went into like your live stream and started rattling
[14:27] Speaker 1: off electrical engineering jargon, do you think it would go well?
[14:31] Speaker 8: Just to be clear, you're pivoting to meta and you're
[14:33] Speaker 8: not engaging with substance of the I'm.
[14:36] Speaker 1: Asking your question to demonstrate an actual fact giving, I
[14:43] Speaker 1: think you're concussed. So if I walked into your live
[14:46] Speaker 1: stream and rattled off a bunch of electrical engineering jargon,
[14:50] Speaker 1: do you think that would be like a wise thing
[14:51] Speaker 1: to do?
[14:53] Speaker 8: What's the argument I should answer this question?
[14:55] Speaker 1: The argument is I just want a yes or no
[14:58] Speaker 1: so we can move on.
[15:00] Speaker 8: Sorry, that's not an argument you bring.
[15:02] Speaker 1: Okay, so we'll just.
[15:03] Speaker 8: You're conceptually cuked.
[15:06] Speaker 1: So this is the best they can do. Friends, Welcome
[15:08] Speaker 1: to Christianity. That's all they got. They've got bad arguments
[15:12] Speaker 1: and name calling and time wasting. All right, we're gonna
[15:14] Speaker 1: move on to I don't know, maybe an actual adult.
[15:18] Speaker 1: We'll see. It's crazy because he could have just ran
[15:20] Speaker 1: the contingency argument. I bet Christina and I both have
[15:23] Speaker 1: heard the what ten, fifteen, twenty times million? No, I
[15:29] Speaker 1: mean like these precept filbros only have a couple different arguments.
[15:33] Speaker 1: They've got tag and they've got contingency, not much else.
[15:37] Speaker 2: It's all bad. It's all bad, and it's all boring.
[15:40] Speaker 1: Yeah, it really is boring. Well, listen, we have there
[15:45] Speaker 1: is one adult in the box. FC is in the box. Friends,
[15:49] Speaker 1: make sure if I know some people are her starting
[15:52] Speaker 1: to file in from YouTube. Make sure you go to
[15:56] Speaker 1: the description of the video on both the vertical and
[15:59] Speaker 1: the whole on a stream and find the link to
[16:02] Speaker 1: Christina's YouTube channel and follow Christina's YouTube channel. It's new.
[16:07] Speaker 1: She hasn't been able to get content loaded up, but
[16:09] Speaker 1: she's going to be getting some content loaded up soon
[16:11] Speaker 1: on the YouTube channel, so we want to be able
[16:13] Speaker 1: to hit that ground running. We've got like fifteen hundred
[16:16] Speaker 1: people in here already, so let's make sure by the
[16:19] Speaker 1: end of this live stream she's over one thousand people
[16:22] Speaker 1: on YouTube. We want to get her over that one
[16:25] Speaker 1: thousand betch mark so that she can actually get her
[16:27] Speaker 1: YouTube channel hopefully monetized when she starts uploading some videos.
[16:32] Speaker 1: So with that, I'm going to read two super chats
[16:35] Speaker 1: and then we're gonna get our next quest and here, Randy,
[16:37] Speaker 1: great to see you today. Thank you so much for
[16:39] Speaker 1: sending out twenty deconstructions of memberships big w Randy, I
[16:43] Speaker 1: appreciate that, and our friend Adam's with us. Adam says,
[16:46] Speaker 1: I've been dabbling in doing my own lives. You should.
[16:49] Speaker 1: How do you have the patience some days? I don't.
[16:52] Speaker 1: You've seen it, Adam. They refuse to read the book
[16:55] Speaker 1: with me and are flaccid for the father, not rock
[16:58] Speaker 1: hard for Doug. Well, that is the case. Here's my advice.
[17:03] Speaker 1: Take lots of deep breaths. I think that's all you
[17:05] Speaker 1: can do is take lots of deep breaths.
[17:07] Speaker 2: Yeah, I walk away.
[17:12] Speaker 1: That's why FC. Welcome back.
[17:16] Speaker 5: Hi. How you doing.
[17:18] Speaker 1: I'm doing well.
[17:19] Speaker 4: FC.
[17:19] Speaker 1: I already know you're at least eighteen because we've spoken before,
[17:22] Speaker 1: and if I remember quickly, you're a Christian?
[17:24] Speaker 5: Right, oh Christian? Yeah? Yeah?
[17:28] Speaker 1: Cool? Why should Christina and I believe in your garden?
[17:33] Speaker 5: Well?
[17:33] Speaker 10: I think you know as it well, you're well. I
[17:35] Speaker 10: think there's last reason. I believe he's the creator, and
[17:39] Speaker 10: therefore he you should believe him. I think the scriptures
[17:43] Speaker 10: make lays of sense to me, and I have an
[17:45] Speaker 10: original theory which provides kind of technical evidence that an
[17:49] Speaker 10: engineer like you should would find. I think, what's fascinating
[17:54] Speaker 10: A lot of line, but I don't know background.
[17:58] Speaker 1: Well, I mean, yeah, sure, if you think you have
[18:00] Speaker 1: an argument from engineering, this would at least be new.
[18:04] Speaker 10: No, I have fascinating, fascinating argument link in bio to
[18:07] Speaker 10: a peer review published paper and biology.
[18:11] Speaker 4: You mean.
[18:13] Speaker 10: Economics in a space of economics, and it cuts across.
[18:17] Speaker 1: There's an economics paper you want to reference. I'm hearing
[18:20] Speaker 1: this correctly.
[18:21] Speaker 5: My own paper, my own paper.
[18:22] Speaker 1: Yeah, link in bio economics paper. Oh there's a link
[18:26] Speaker 1: in your bio.
[18:27] Speaker 5: You're saying, yeah, to an economics paper I've written.
[18:30] Speaker 1: There's so many words without saying what you should have said. Okay,
[18:33] Speaker 1: so there's a link in your bio that goes to
[18:35] Speaker 1: an economics paper. Well, I'm not really interested in clicking
[18:39] Speaker 1: your link, but you can explain it, like if you
[18:41] Speaker 1: have a good if you have a good argument, just
[18:43] Speaker 1: go ahead and provide it. Whether it's not a city
[18:45] Speaker 1: in bio is kind of irrelevant.
[18:47] Speaker 10: Yeah, it just takes people need to see it so
[18:50] Speaker 10: and they wanted to actually access it. But anyway, the
[18:52] Speaker 10: argument generally, well, it's hard to show out the masses
[18:55] Speaker 10: of your engineers, you know, but I can give an outline.
[18:58] Speaker 10: So basically, you've got the tration story, God makes the
[19:00] Speaker 10: one in six days rest one and it's about and
[19:03] Speaker 10: then you've got things such as the Sabbath in the
[19:06] Speaker 10: Ten Commandments where you work six days rest of one,
[19:08] Speaker 10: and so what my work if you see the image
[19:10] Speaker 10: in the bio kind of circle packing, et cetera. What
[19:13] Speaker 10: I'm doing is using geometry like pythagos, theores, et cetera,
[19:18] Speaker 10: to show that you can you can that these things
[19:22] Speaker 10: are not arbitrary, that you can have a mathematical approach
[19:26] Speaker 10: that aligns with biblical scripture.
[19:28] Speaker 5: And that's the that's what I've done.
[19:29] Speaker 11: It's a peer of you.
[19:30] Speaker 1: Do I know you love all that stuff, Christina. Do
[19:33] Speaker 1: you find that argument convincing?
[19:34] Speaker 2: No, not at all.
[19:37] Speaker 1: Maybe you should dig deeproom.
[19:39] Speaker 10: You haven't even Yeah, you haven't. Haven't read the paper, Christina,
[19:41] Speaker 10: So would.
[19:42] Speaker 1: I certainly won't neither will Christina.
[19:44] Speaker 10: Oh well, then you're not really evidence based people just
[19:47] Speaker 10: I guess you're stuck in your waist.
[19:48] Speaker 1: But we're asking you to present it, present the information
[19:53] Speaker 1: that's in your paper. No one's going to read your
[19:55] Speaker 1: nansense paper.
[19:57] Speaker 5: People with people do love to read it.
[19:59] Speaker 10: So that the point is is that when you see
[20:03] Speaker 10: the way that the world is created and you look
[20:05] Speaker 10: at the peopleical laws, there's such consistency. So it's kind
[20:09] Speaker 10: of like a design argument that shows that like the
[20:13] Speaker 10: tank commandment, so Sabbath commandment, if you go to excess.
[20:16] Speaker 1: Under the impression that there's only ten commandments.
[20:20] Speaker 10: I mean, yeah, there are the in the tanker moments. Yeah,
[20:25] Speaker 10: as in mount sign on the tablet stone, Yeah, there
[20:28] Speaker 10: are ten.
[20:29] Speaker 1: There's actually twelve. But we're not gonna wry about that.
[20:31] Speaker 1: What you're gonna say, Christ, he's a few, sure, Yeah,
[20:36] Speaker 1: well there's like there's like a six hundred and thirteen
[20:40] Speaker 1: of them, my friend.
[20:42] Speaker 10: But the ones that received on the tablet stone them.
[20:47] Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, yeah, whoever wrote the account couldn't count.
[20:49] Speaker 1: There's actually more than ten. And there's two different accounts,
[20:52] Speaker 1: by the way, and the second time around, they can't
[20:55] Speaker 1: even who wrote them. One one passage says that God
[20:58] Speaker 1: wrote him. The other passage says that.
[21:01] Speaker 10: We're talking about yeah, ten months. I think it's I
[21:04] Speaker 10: don't know anyway. So the point is one of those
[21:06] Speaker 10: I'm not going to argue about some Basically one of
[21:09] Speaker 10: those is about the Sabbath.
[21:10] Speaker 11: You worked six days restaurant.
[21:12] Speaker 1: You know, the Babylonians already had that before the Bible.
[21:15] Speaker 4: They didn't have that.
[21:16] Speaker 8: They did, Yeah, they didn't, they did.
[21:19] Speaker 10: I take explain why you why you might be confused
[21:23] Speaker 10: about that they may have had.
[21:25] Speaker 1: I'm actually not confused about it.
[21:27] Speaker 10: Okay, But I tell you just why you're just incorrect
[21:30] Speaker 10: because they didn't have a rule that said you worked
[21:32] Speaker 10: six days and rest one.
[21:33] Speaker 11: They just didn't.
[21:34] Speaker 1: Yeah, No one said it was a rule.
[21:37] Speaker 5: That's that's why it was.
[21:38] Speaker 1: It was a it was a guy. There was a guide,
[21:42] Speaker 1: and the Babylonians had it before the Jews.
[21:44] Speaker 10: Yeah, but that's why they didn't have it because it
[21:45] Speaker 10: wasn't a law that said work six days, rest on.
[21:47] Speaker 5: It just wasn't the same.
[21:49] Speaker 1: Oh okay, So unless it's a law that comes from God,
[21:51] Speaker 1: then it's not a borrowed idea.
[21:53] Speaker 11: No, no, a law, It's just not.
[21:55] Speaker 5: It was technical. What are your going to that says?
[21:57] Speaker 11: Do you actually think.
[21:58] Speaker 1: That the laws in the Bible are you unique?
[22:00] Speaker 11: When's the Babyloni you say what six days?
[22:02] Speaker 1: Do you actually think the laws in the Bible are unique?
[22:05] Speaker 11: Just incorrect?
[22:06] Speaker 10: Would you like to just expect actually correct question? I know,
[22:10] Speaker 10: I'm just I was just correcting him on the first point.
[22:12] Speaker 10: He didn't expect you actually weren't.
[22:15] Speaker 1: Go ahead, Christina, how is he correcting you?
[22:17] Speaker 2: I just answered the question. Do you think that the
[22:19] Speaker 2: laws in the Bible are unique?
[22:22] Speaker 5: Yeah? They are?
[22:24] Speaker 2: You don't think that they're borrowed.
[22:27] Speaker 10: They're unique where they brought from.
[22:31] Speaker 1: All right, I can tell you they steal from the
[22:36] Speaker 1: Hammerabi law code. They steal from the Assyrian law code.
[22:40] Speaker 1: In fact, they even follow the same order. Let me
[22:44] Speaker 1: let me grab you the the text that provides you
[22:47] Speaker 1: with the Babylonian the Sabbath. Let me see. I forget
[22:50] Speaker 1: the name of it, but I've got it written down.
[22:52] Speaker 5: Wait says works six days.
[22:59] Speaker 1: It's see. It's in Samuel Driver's book Cuniform parallels to
[23:03] Speaker 1: the Old Testament on page one eighty nine, and it
[23:08] Speaker 1: talks about having a sacred day, which is the seventh day.
[23:14] Speaker 5: So this is what six days rest one? What you
[23:17] Speaker 5: read it? Read it? Yeah?
[23:19] Speaker 1: Yeah? Again? What I did a video? You can listen
[23:22] Speaker 1: to the video sometimes in your free time. In fact,
[23:24] Speaker 1: i'll show you where it's at.
[23:26] Speaker 4: Let's read it.
[23:28] Speaker 5: Read the text.
[23:29] Speaker 1: It's not a text, it's a video. I don't know
[23:31] Speaker 1: if you know this, but reading reading reading videos. So
[23:37] Speaker 1: I'll show it to you. I'll show it to you
[23:39] Speaker 1: on the screen. You're more than welcome to go go
[23:42] Speaker 1: read the text. Go do it for yourself. So, so
[23:44] Speaker 1: I did a video where I read the text in
[23:48] Speaker 1: the video, You're welcome to go watch it. That the
[23:50] Speaker 1: interview is and it's referred to as the Babylonian Sabbath.
[23:55] Speaker 1: And the text that you can find this in is
[23:58] Speaker 1: Samuel Driver's text Cuneiform parallels to the Old Testament, page nine.
[24:03] Speaker 1: As it turns out, I don't have the book open,
[24:05] Speaker 1: I could get there. It is in fact on my
[24:09] Speaker 1: It is in fact on my on my bookshelf. And
[24:12] Speaker 1: the artifact. The artifact is one five to two three
[24:16] Speaker 1: three nine zero zero one in the British Museum. It's
[24:20] Speaker 1: called the Babylonian Calendar tablet and it is in fact
[24:24] Speaker 1: a real, actual, you know, ancient Babylonian ritual where they
[24:29] Speaker 1: had a day of rest. That being said, but the
[24:32] Speaker 1: rest of the laws, the rest of the laws from
[24:35] Speaker 1: the Hebrew Bible aren't aren't unique.
[24:37] Speaker 11: Well, we definitely didn't.
[24:38] Speaker 10: You know why it's not the same because in the
[24:40] Speaker 10: Sabbath commandment says the reason you keep you work six
[24:43] Speaker 10: days Mist one is because God made the world in
[24:45] Speaker 10: six days and listed on the seventh.
[24:47] Speaker 11: Definitely doesn't say that justin that's.
[24:49] Speaker 1: What I never never said that it did. So it
[24:52] Speaker 1: sounds like you're a little bit confused, like you're trying
[24:54] Speaker 1: to put words in my mouth that I never said exactly.
[24:57] Speaker 10: Well, someone else, well Christina said it was it was
[25:00] Speaker 10: unique or whatever.
[25:01] Speaker 5: But it is unique. So I am correct.
[25:02] Speaker 11: So thank you for explaining that I'm correct.
[25:04] Speaker 5: Thank you.
[25:07] Speaker 2: From I don't understand that. I don't I don't see
[25:11] Speaker 2: what's so challenging here. Like the laws that you're referring
[25:15] Speaker 2: to were borrowed from other law codes. They were added.
[25:18] Speaker 2: There may have been other laws added in, but these
[25:21] Speaker 2: are not original to the to.
[25:22] Speaker 10: The because it says the reason keep we worked six
[25:25] Speaker 10: days the rest one is because God made the world.
[25:30] Speaker 2: That it doesn't matter that it says that where they
[25:35] Speaker 2: got somewhere else, they just applied it to their They
[25:38] Speaker 2: just applied it to their people. It doesn't matter that
[25:41] Speaker 2: that that it says that it's not original to the Israelites.
[25:54] Speaker 1: Anyway, next question, well, did you hear anything she said?
[25:58] Speaker 11: F C or doing correct?
[26:01] Speaker 1: Did you hear anything she said? Can you summarize any
[26:03] Speaker 1: of it what she's saying.
[26:06] Speaker 10: She's saying that they're borrowed, but they're still different. So
[26:09] Speaker 10: it doesn't matter, is it right?
[26:11] Speaker 1: Having differences? There's nothing to do with that something's borrowed.
[26:14] Speaker 1: That's that's actually ridiculous. The idea that something has differences
[26:18] Speaker 1: has nothing to do when there's borrowed. So like every
[26:21] Speaker 1: vehicle that comes off with Ford's production line is in
[26:25] Speaker 1: fact borrowing from the vehicle that came before it. Is
[26:28] Speaker 1: it unique?
[26:29] Speaker 12: Sure?
[26:29] Speaker 1: Yeah, all the vehicles have unique features, But because the
[26:33] Speaker 1: unique features doesn't actually say anything about whether or not
[26:37] Speaker 1: it is in fact borrowed or not. And as an engineer, FC,
[26:41] Speaker 1: you know that. You know that, I know, FC, I know,
[26:46] Speaker 1: like controlling yourself is really difficult, but you're going to
[26:48] Speaker 1: have to figure out how to do it. So as
[26:50] Speaker 1: an engineer who actually designs machines for a living, what
[26:53] Speaker 1: I can tell you is that just because something has
[26:55] Speaker 1: unique features does not certainly mean that it's not borrowed.
[26:59] Speaker 1: Every she I've ever designed almost is borrowing from a
[27:03] Speaker 1: machine that came before it. Does it get some unique
[27:06] Speaker 1: features of its own? Of course it does? But is
[27:08] Speaker 1: it are we borrowing stuff that came before it? Absolutely?
[27:12] Speaker 10: Anyway, I was right, it's unique, thank you, that's it.
[27:17] Speaker 1: So I never said it wasn't unique. So I don't
[27:19] Speaker 1: know why you're arguing that point. She did so that
[27:22] Speaker 1: I was just but she didn't say that. She she
[27:25] Speaker 1: mentioned how it was borrowed, not that it was unique.
[27:28] Speaker 11: All right, well you correct her, that's right.
[27:29] Speaker 1: I mean because every no, I'm correcting you, every law
[27:32] Speaker 1: that in the Babylonian law code is unique too. So
[27:35] Speaker 1: like this is out a valid argument. Just saying that
[27:37] Speaker 1: something's unique isn't a real argument to whether or not
[27:40] Speaker 1: it's actually been borrowed.
[27:42] Speaker 11: Whatever. You can't prove it's been borrowed anyway.
[27:45] Speaker 1: Actually we can. So this is what we're going to
[27:47] Speaker 1: get to in Exodus twenty uh, in Exodus twenty two
[27:51] Speaker 1: and the various laws Exit twenty one, like it actually
[27:55] Speaker 1: follows the law code of Hammer Robbie pretty closely. In fact,
[27:59] Speaker 1: I did it a little redsheet because I know you
[28:02] Speaker 1: like you like sources. I did little spreadsheet. Yeah, that
[28:05] Speaker 1: shows which laws it follows. Oops, what just happened? I
[28:09] Speaker 1: hit the wrong button? Because again, see there we go.
[28:15] Speaker 1: It shows which laws and Exodus follow which laws in
[28:19] Speaker 1: the law code of Hammurabi, and we find some of
[28:21] Speaker 1: the same stuff in the Middle Assyrian law code. In
[28:23] Speaker 1: the Middle Assyrian law codes, we find that the order
[28:26] Speaker 1: of the law code follow roughly the same order as
[28:30] Speaker 1: some of the Middle Assyrian law codes, and even borrows
[28:32] Speaker 1: some of the wording from the Middle Assyrian law codes.
[28:35] Speaker 1: The uniqueness of the supposed Biblical laws aren't they're not
[28:40] Speaker 1: only are they not impressive there, it's also not meaningful
[28:43] Speaker 1: to whether or not any of it's true.
[28:46] Speaker 10: If you had to show me, like a ten commandment
[28:48] Speaker 10: something equivalent, have you got something like that?
[28:50] Speaker 1: I don't know why you keep going to the Ten
[28:51] Speaker 1: Commandments like they're unique. In fact, all of the commandments
[28:55] Speaker 1: except for the first one, we can find in the
[28:58] Speaker 1: like the Egyptian laws, like if you the forty two
[29:00] Speaker 1: Confessions of my art, almost everything in there other than
[29:04] Speaker 1: the first three because they didn't believe in monotheism, are
[29:07] Speaker 1: found in the conessions way before the term commandments. But
[29:10] Speaker 1: again that doesn't actually adjust to point f C, which
[29:12] Speaker 1: is we don't believe whether that whether or not the
[29:15] Speaker 1: unique is irrelevant. We don't believe that these laws were
[29:17] Speaker 1: given by God.
[29:18] Speaker 11: Why would we different beliefs.
[29:20] Speaker 10: That's fine, But anyway, my work focusing on the Sabbath commandment,
[29:23] Speaker 10: which is different, is unique, and it focuses the relations.
[29:27] Speaker 1: No one says it wasn't different or unique, or asking
[29:30] Speaker 1: why should we believe it's true?
[29:32] Speaker 10: It's great, that's great, justin so anyway, the point that
[29:37] Speaker 10: I'm looking at is the like a geometric model that
[29:39] Speaker 10: aligns with the concept of working six days in resting
[29:43] Speaker 10: wine and then at the same time having a death
[29:46] Speaker 10: cycle that over seven years I've I've worked with, like
[29:49] Speaker 10: I've studied under expert cycles.
[29:52] Speaker 11: Actually have one of the best universities in the world.
[29:56] Speaker 5: I did, he cloys there.
[29:58] Speaker 1: Upon this noise, Which university do teach economics at?
[30:03] Speaker 11: Not teaching? I studied?
[30:05] Speaker 1: Oh yeah, which one?
[30:06] Speaker 5: Cambridge?
[30:07] Speaker 1: You studied economics at Cambridge? Did you actually graduate?
[30:13] Speaker 2: Yeah?
[30:13] Speaker 5: Of course.
[30:13] Speaker 10: I worked for the Bank of England, you know, like
[30:14] Speaker 10: the Federal Reserve. I used to make money.
[30:18] Speaker 1: I'm concerned about the Fed now.
[30:21] Speaker 10: Yeah, I worked with the Bank of England's equivalent. Just
[30:24] Speaker 10: so you've got reference, because you did.
[30:25] Speaker 1: You don't anymore?
[30:27] Speaker 11: No, I don't. I work for myself.
[30:31] Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, have you ever worked for fair?
[30:36] Speaker 11: Have you?
[30:37] Speaker 13: So?
[30:38] Speaker 1: So we'll try again. Why should we believe that any
[30:40] Speaker 1: of this comes from regards?
[30:42] Speaker 10: Because creation is so well put together that it could
[30:46] Speaker 10: not possibly be put together without a God.
[30:48] Speaker 11: In my work focuses on the outside of it.
[30:50] Speaker 5: There's loads of Epplemore.
[30:51] Speaker 1: I don't think you know what the word of economics means.
[30:55] Speaker 14: Well, yeah, I've got great Genesis one and what about
[31:00] Speaker 14: Genesis one is so perfectly put together that somehow you
[31:04] Speaker 14: have to know economics to know that it's true.
[31:06] Speaker 11: No, See, that's what you've missed, mister point.
[31:08] Speaker 10: If you listen to what it's saying in Uniqueness of
[31:10] Speaker 10: the Sabbath, the Sabbath commandment references the creation story and
[31:14] Speaker 10: it relates to economics. Why because, Justin and Christina, it
[31:17] Speaker 10: talks about working six days and resting one And if
[31:20] Speaker 10: you think about it, that is about economics, because it's
[31:23] Speaker 10: about work, labor, resting work.
[31:26] Speaker 11: That is the economics. But your electrical engineer and something that's.
[31:31] Speaker 2: Not an argument for the existence of a god.
[31:34] Speaker 11: That's not remotely true.
[31:37] Speaker 2: This is embarrassing the argument only the only thing that
[31:40] Speaker 2: you're saying, the only thing that you're saying is that
[31:43] Speaker 2: a society that believes this book to be true hasn't
[31:47] Speaker 2: like modeled its work week actively. That's the only thing.
[31:54] Speaker 4: It's not.
[31:55] Speaker 2: It's not that deep.
[31:56] Speaker 1: No, it is, this is not deep. We're gonna we're
[32:00] Speaker 1: gonna cut you and move on to an adult, like
[32:03] Speaker 1: you don't have an actual argument. We want to hear arguments. Okay,
[32:08] Speaker 1: that guy really.
[32:08] Speaker 7: Thought it was.
[32:11] Speaker 2: God is real?
[32:13] Speaker 4: What that was?
[32:15] Speaker 13: Bad?
[32:15] Speaker 1: Guys, If you come up without an argument, we're not
[32:18] Speaker 1: going to keep you up here forever. I mean, at
[32:21] Speaker 1: least he he was, well, there's really no redeeming qualities
[32:25] Speaker 1: about him.
[32:26] Speaker 2: What are we gonna say he was passionate?
[32:28] Speaker 1: He was passionate, Stephen, thank you for the supertest is
[32:31] Speaker 1: White Christians always claimed that slavery, for example, was a
[32:33] Speaker 1: product of its time. The excuse seems to diminish the
[32:36] Speaker 1: Bible's claim of a book for the ages. I mean, well, yeah,
[32:41] Speaker 1: go ahead.
[32:42] Speaker 2: Well I think that the reason why, the reason why
[32:45] Speaker 2: they claim that it's in that time is because they
[32:48] Speaker 2: want to distance themselves from the from the atrocity itself
[32:52] Speaker 2: and and still try and create like this cloak that
[32:55] Speaker 2: makes God good. And you know he had to do it.
[33:00] Speaker 2: It's always this this coating or this padding, if you will,
[33:05] Speaker 2: the only reason he did something so heinous because he
[33:07] Speaker 2: had to do it at that time. He would never
[33:09] Speaker 2: do something like that now, you know, he would never
[33:12] Speaker 2: hit me again, like it's one of those things. Yeah
[33:14] Speaker 2: he would.
[33:15] Speaker 1: Yeah, he's better now.
[33:17] Speaker 2: He's better now, he's not as stressed as he was
[33:21] Speaker 2: in antiquity.
[33:23] Speaker 1: When I was in seminary, they were fond of the
[33:26] Speaker 1: it has to be gradual change hermeneutic, which I don't
[33:29] Speaker 1: think is solid. I think that's silly. It doesn't have
[33:32] Speaker 1: to be gradual. He didn't gradualize anything else. Why is
[33:35] Speaker 1: that the one thing he gradually tried to get rid of?
[33:39] Speaker 1: Man with a stow through his head says whispers in
[33:42] Speaker 1: the side streets about upside down stream more sacrilege. Wait,
[33:48] Speaker 1: what upside down stream? The streams not upside down? Is
[33:51] Speaker 1: it streams right side up? Friends?
[33:52] Speaker 5: Right?
[33:54] Speaker 2: It looks right side up to me.
[33:56] Speaker 1: Looks fun to me. Anyways, Good to see you still
[33:58] Speaker 1: attacks a bit with a different name now and Johanna
[34:01] Speaker 1: says my new line for Christians at site Romans one twenty.
[34:04] Speaker 1: You don't really believe in God. You just hate atheists.
[34:07] Speaker 1: Oh I know, I love it. Or the other thing
[34:10] Speaker 1: is ask them what atheists hurt?
[34:12] Speaker 4: You?
[34:13] Speaker 1: See what the.
[34:16] Speaker 2: That's good. I'm awesome. I'm going to use that one.
[34:19] Speaker 1: It's so funny to watch him crash out on that.
[34:22] Speaker 1: All right, let's get well. I tried to get Robin here.
[34:24] Speaker 1: I don't think Rob connected, so we'll do William next.
[34:31] Speaker 1: William didn't connect. Okay, you guys have have a little
[34:34] Speaker 1: bit of trouble connecting. That's fine, all right, we'll grab
[34:38] Speaker 1: somebody from our YouTube queue. This should be a lot
[34:40] Speaker 1: of fun. We're gonna get Dirk in here again. It's
[34:44] Speaker 1: been a minute since we talked to Dirk. Maybe not
[34:49] Speaker 1: long enough of a minute, but we'll get We'll get
[34:51] Speaker 1: Dirk pulled in. Welcome back, Dirk.
[34:56] Speaker 3: Thank you so much for having.
[34:59] Speaker 4: Dirk anyway.
[35:01] Speaker 1: Uh, did you want to make another argument for the
[35:05] Speaker 1: astrological framework?
[35:08] Speaker 4: Yeah?
[35:08] Speaker 3: I did so.
[35:09] Speaker 1: All right, Christina, this is on you. I already had to
[35:12] Speaker 1: do this once.
[35:14] Speaker 2: Arguing. Okay, okay, I'll just I'll just hear it out.
[35:19] Speaker 3: Okay, So the sun is alive. It's it's the most
[35:24] Speaker 3: obvious choice for the focus of our worship. It's life giving,
[35:30] Speaker 3: it's constant and gives without asking. We don't there's no
[35:36] Speaker 3: expectation of worship. Justin doesn't seem to think that the
[35:43] Speaker 3: sun is alive. But we went over this a little bit,
[35:47] Speaker 3: and I think he might believe that there's a possibility
[35:55] Speaker 3: in a different way things can be conscious.
[36:00] Speaker 2: The sun is not conscious.
[36:03] Speaker 3: The sun is conscious.
[36:05] Speaker 2: How can you prove that the sun is conscious?
[36:09] Speaker 3: Well, by the way the sun interacts with its surroundings
[36:20] Speaker 3: and with us.
[36:22] Speaker 2: The sun doesn't interact with us, it doesn't interact with
[36:25] Speaker 2: its surroundings.
[36:27] Speaker 3: It's just going that objective sense. It does interact with it,
[36:32] Speaker 3: just like anything else. How So, well, when it gives
[36:39] Speaker 3: off light and we feel it, that's an interaction.
[36:42] Speaker 2: That's that's just a function. Like, that's just what the
[36:46] Speaker 2: sun does. It's hot, it gives off heat. That doesn't
[36:49] Speaker 2: mean it's conscious or it's intentionally doing anything. It's just
[36:54] Speaker 2: doing what the sun does.
[36:56] Speaker 3: Well, we're just doing with the benefits.
[36:58] Speaker 2: The benefits that we receive and from that, you know,
[37:03] Speaker 2: or the harm that we receive from that are not
[37:08] Speaker 2: evidence of consciousness.
[37:12] Speaker 3: Well, consciousness is a scale. It's sort of like something
[37:18] Speaker 3: you grow into. So the sun, sorry one more time.
[37:26] Speaker 2: The sun grows in consciousness.
[37:28] Speaker 4: Now.
[37:29] Speaker 3: Yeah, So anything that has a high enough accumulation of
[37:34] Speaker 3: being effectively has a consciousness. And I was trying to
[37:38] Speaker 3: explain this previously. I was talking about time lapse photography,
[37:44] Speaker 3: and if you look at it sometimes, you know, when
[37:47] Speaker 3: things are sped up, you can see how plants and
[37:50] Speaker 3: stuff look like they're moving and almost consciously reacting to
[37:55] Speaker 3: their environment. So what I'm saying is that in a
[37:59] Speaker 3: different time frame, the sun is reacting, but we're not
[38:03] Speaker 3: necessarily seeing it because we're in a different timeframe. We're
[38:08] Speaker 3: like ants compared to the Sun. But it's interacting and
[38:12] Speaker 3: its waves time.
[38:18] Speaker 2: Really justin really like we have like an adolescent son
[38:27] Speaker 2: is the sun like preteen? Like where are we at?
[38:30] Speaker 2: With the behavioral patterns of the sun, Like where is
[38:34] Speaker 2: it at? And its growth?
[38:35] Speaker 3: Well, okay, so the sun, like everything else has a lifespring, right,
[38:41] Speaker 3: and our sun I don't know, I don't know what
[38:44] Speaker 3: it is exactly, but I think like scientifically halfway there
[38:49] Speaker 3: or something just like this.
[38:53] Speaker 1: Let the sun's giving everyone cancer, it's going through that
[38:55] Speaker 1: midlife crisis.
[38:57] Speaker 2: Midfe I'm allergic to the sun. It doesn't even want
[39:00] Speaker 2: me here?
[39:02] Speaker 1: How on such an asshole.
[39:04] Speaker 2: The sun remembers clearly holds it. It's gotta beendebta.
[39:10] Speaker 3: Well, yeah, that's right. So that the sun is like
[39:13] Speaker 3: it's it's a duality, you know, it's it's it's good,
[39:18] Speaker 3: but it also has harmful attributes to So, just like
[39:22] Speaker 3: anything else any other person, why.
[39:26] Speaker 9: Does it have control?
[39:28] Speaker 1: Does it have control over that?
[39:30] Speaker 3: It has control? Well, it's conscious. Yeah, so it has
[39:35] Speaker 3: control as much as me or you would over our emotions.
[39:38] Speaker 1: So it could choose to not do that.
[39:42] Speaker 3: By that you mean mean no, it could.
[39:45] Speaker 1: Choose to not give us cancer.
[39:50] Speaker 3: Well, cancer is like a product of its sun's or rays,
[39:54] Speaker 3: so I guess.
[39:55] Speaker 1: So it doesn't have control over itself.
[39:58] Speaker 3: Over like a So it's nature. It has control over
[40:02] Speaker 3: like how it does things. So the sun Okay, so
[40:05] Speaker 3: so let's explain this. The sun doesn't huh.
[40:10] Speaker 1: What created the sun?
[40:15] Speaker 3: Isn't it like a gas cloud or something?
[40:18] Speaker 1: So it came into existence without a creator.
[40:22] Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like it's born. That's how it's born. Because
[40:26] Speaker 3: consciousness is like something that it it's like condensing into.
[40:31] Speaker 1: So what caused the first moment of the sun?
[40:37] Speaker 3: So he heat is associated with consciousness, So when something
[40:43] Speaker 3: yeah heat he Okay, Okay, you guys are gonna like this. Okay,
[40:47] Speaker 3: so we'll just jump right in. Fire fire is We.
[40:50] Speaker 1: Are not in fact going to like this. Fire is.
[40:54] Speaker 3: Fire is conscious. Fire is a primal form of consciousness.
[40:58] Speaker 3: So fire.
[41:01] Speaker 4: Sorry, it's just.
[41:02] Speaker 2: Just so you know, what's that, Christina, that's why flames dance.
[41:08] Speaker 1: That's it. Okay, So flames are are They're the ones
[41:12] Speaker 1: having fun and the sun is the assholes?
[41:14] Speaker 4: So is it?
[41:15] Speaker 1: Are the flames like the children of the sun.
[41:19] Speaker 3: Flames aren't like children of the sun. They're like farms
[41:23] Speaker 3: of consciousness, That's what I'm saying. It's like anything that
[41:25] Speaker 3: gets to a certain accumulation of heat or something like that,
[41:30] Speaker 3: like you have heat with you or warm gethered.
[41:34] Speaker 1: Well, listen, Dirk, it was good to hear from me again.
[41:36] Speaker 1: You're not you're not going to convince us that flames
[41:38] Speaker 1: have souls or consciousness and whatnot, but it's certainly interesting
[41:42] Speaker 1: to hear it again. It's almost unbelievable. Even I'm speechless.
[41:47] Speaker 3: Thank you justin for having me on, Christina, thank you
[41:51] Speaker 3: for talking with me. I hope you guys have a
[41:53] Speaker 3: great care.
[41:57] Speaker 1: I had to do it, Christina, I'm sorry.
[41:59] Speaker 2: It's hazing. You know, they've out sand at at most universities.
[42:03] Speaker 2: You're not allowed You're just not allowed to do.
[42:06] Speaker 1: That's the case that that was Freshman ay things exactly.
[42:11] Speaker 2: What it was I have to grab the door really
[42:13] Speaker 2: quickly on to my camera.
[42:15] Speaker 1: Oh that's fine, go ahead, We'll grab a couple of
[42:19] Speaker 1: super chats. We'll get our next guest in here when
[42:21] Speaker 1: Christina comes back in just a minute, and then we'll
[42:24] Speaker 1: keep rolling. It's gonna be a fun night, friend, It's
[42:27] Speaker 1: gonna be a really fun night. Carlos, good to see
[42:30] Speaker 1: you tonight. Thank you for sending out ten dzy debates
[42:34] Speaker 1: gifted memberships. I really appreciate that. And Bucky, thank you
[42:37] Speaker 1: so much for the twenty seven thirty three super chat,
[42:40] Speaker 1: says Happy Monday. Christina. Oh shit, sorry, I read that
[42:43] Speaker 1: as she's she's out. Well, thank you. I appreciate that, Bucky,
[42:48] Speaker 1: and Big Big w for having Christina here. God Win,
[42:52] Speaker 1: great to see you, says say La. I love it.
[42:55] Speaker 1: Psalm of Anthrax two twenty five to forty five, chishm
[42:59] Speaker 1: A house of I can't stand. Indeed, I was trying
[43:02] Speaker 1: to say before, a house divided simply cannot stand. We
[43:05] Speaker 1: must not have a schism in the house of Doug
[43:08] Speaker 1: and Sharon.
[43:10] Speaker 13: Yay.
[43:11] Speaker 1: Verily they ride together. In fact, you'll see them both
[43:14] Speaker 1: behind me together, so like there's no skis. Some friends
[43:19] Speaker 1: and Duke. Great to see you. Thank you for the
[43:21] Speaker 1: five dollar euro Chat says, Priests and prophets come and
[43:24] Speaker 1: go only. Heresies are only. Heresies are forever, even after
[43:29] Speaker 1: one of them becomes canon. Here is to the vatical heretics. Listen, friends,
[43:36] Speaker 1: we're all on the same team. We're all here looking
[43:40] Speaker 1: for the uh the truth of Doug and Sharon and
[43:45] Speaker 1: Dolphin trash. Thank you for the six sixty six dollars.
[43:47] Speaker 1: Super chest says, did you hear about the incompetent chef
[43:50] Speaker 1: that got fired from the Vietnamese restaurant? He's such a
[43:55] Speaker 1: a phah cuprave, Doug. That's really good, one of my
[43:59] Speaker 1: favorite FA restaurants. His name, uh phu king genius name,
[44:05] Speaker 1: genius name. All right, I think we have another guest
[44:08] Speaker 1: ready to go, Christina. And also if you could load
[44:10] Speaker 1: up on the TikTok, I'll get you loaded on TikTok
[44:13] Speaker 1: so that people know that you're live as well.
[44:17] Speaker 2: And what you said, load up on the TikTok.
[44:22] Speaker 1: Yeah, just guess because you're on your you have your.
[44:25] Speaker 2: Phone on a guest request.
[44:28] Speaker 1: Yeah, and then they'll see that we're both live together.
[44:31] Speaker 2: There that makes sense.
[44:34] Speaker 1: There, We go about being about boom, and we're gonna
[44:40] Speaker 1: get seek God first in here next, welcome in, Seek
[44:47] Speaker 1: God first.
[44:49] Speaker 15: Hey, how's it going?
[44:51] Speaker 1: Not too bad? How are you.
[44:53] Speaker 5: All good?
[44:54] Speaker 4: All good?
[44:55] Speaker 1: Seek God? Are you at least eighteen? And do you well?
[44:59] Speaker 1: I see we believe in the Christian God.
[45:02] Speaker 15: Yes, I do. I was stopping in on Christina.
[45:06] Speaker 16: I don't believe in the God of the Old Testament,
[45:10] Speaker 16: the God.
[45:17] Speaker 4: I knew she'd be.
[45:18] Speaker 15: She'd be happy to see me.
[45:21] Speaker 1: Oh no, all right, well then it sounds like she's
[45:25] Speaker 1: gonna she's gonna kick this whatever to me. So you
[45:28] Speaker 1: believe in the God of the New Testament, but you
[45:30] Speaker 1: don't believe in the God of the Old Testament. Are
[45:32] Speaker 1: you a Gnostic?
[45:34] Speaker 15: Possibly? I do believe in Gnostic teachings, so.
[45:38] Speaker 1: You might be a Nasky. You don't actually know.
[45:42] Speaker 16: I don't do the categorizing, but it seems like most
[45:45] Speaker 16: of my understanding of the division in divinity comes from
[45:50] Speaker 16: Gnostic understanding.
[45:51] Speaker 1: Okay, do you believe that Jesus is God?
[45:55] Speaker 7: Yes?
[45:56] Speaker 1: Do you believe that his father is greater than him?
[46:00] Speaker 1: I believe he is he and his father is one, right, Yeah,
[46:03] Speaker 1: but he said the Father is greater than I. So,
[46:05] Speaker 1: do you believe that his father is greater than.
[46:07] Speaker 16: Him as in my brain, my mind being greater than
[46:12] Speaker 16: my body.
[46:12] Speaker 1: Yes, that's not what I asked. When Jesus says that
[46:17] Speaker 1: the Father is greater than I, do you believe that
[46:20] Speaker 1: Jesus's father is greater than he is?
[46:25] Speaker 7: Yes?
[46:27] Speaker 1: Okay, dope. And since the Father is greater than Jesus,
[46:30] Speaker 1: that could only mean that there are either two gods
[46:34] Speaker 1: or some kind of a trinity.
[46:37] Speaker 15: No, it's more like my mind in my body, That's
[46:40] Speaker 15: what I was kind of saying.
[46:42] Speaker 1: So Jesus is only part God. So the Father is
[46:45] Speaker 1: part God and Jesus is part God.
[46:49] Speaker 15: If you want to say it like that, they all
[46:51] Speaker 15: God is encompassed.
[46:53] Speaker 1: But you're gonna go to like super hell, that's a heresy.
[46:56] Speaker 1: You probably don't care if it's a heresy. You've got
[46:58] Speaker 1: a non standard view anyways. So what's the evidence that
[47:02] Speaker 1: this god arrangement is real?
[47:06] Speaker 15: Nature?
[47:08] Speaker 4: Oh?
[47:08] Speaker 1: Boy, look at the trees.
[47:13] Speaker 16: It's more like how everything's structured and kind of interconnected.
[47:18] Speaker 1: Can you explain what what about the structure would lead
[47:22] Speaker 1: us to believe that there's a god? Afs So welcome
[47:24] Speaker 1: everyone from the E and raid. Great to see you.
[47:28] Speaker 16: Henrid things I kind of do go to the divine design?
[47:37] Speaker 15: Or is it intelligent design?
[47:39] Speaker 1: I think it is intelligent design. Why would you tell
[47:43] Speaker 1: you that there is intelligent design?
[47:48] Speaker 11: I'm not.
[47:50] Speaker 15: Aware of.
[47:53] Speaker 16: Things outside of nature as in like that we can
[47:57] Speaker 16: construct that can be.
[48:02] Speaker 15: Perfect without intelligent design?
[48:04] Speaker 1: Or well, what do you think is perfect? Because like
[48:09] Speaker 1: the world around us doesn't appear to be perfect. Ninety
[48:12] Speaker 1: seven percent of the water is poisonous for us to drink.
[48:15] Speaker 1: Three million children a year die of starvation. And I
[48:19] Speaker 1: mean we get like parasites to crawl up your uretha
[48:23] Speaker 1: and infect your body. If you eat the wrong fish,
[48:26] Speaker 1: you'll get brain worms. Like what's perfect about this.
[48:31] Speaker 4: Again?
[48:32] Speaker 13: How is.
[48:34] Speaker 2: I just wanted to just throw that back out there.
[48:37] Speaker 2: I'm allergic to the sun as a melanated woman. Is
[48:40] Speaker 2: It's it's an injustice.
[48:43] Speaker 1: That's crazy.
[48:44] Speaker 4: I'm not even.
[48:45] Speaker 2: Protected by my own melon in here. What do you
[48:47] Speaker 2: mean do.
[48:48] Speaker 15: You experience like allergic reactions? Like how is that? How
[48:52] Speaker 15: is that possible? I'm just curious.
[48:53] Speaker 2: Yeah, I break out in hives if I'm in the sun.
[48:56] Speaker 15: Too interesting. Yeah, I've never heard of that interest.
[49:01] Speaker 17: Yeah, so I do mean, yeah, as in like.
[49:13] Speaker 16: The intricacies of things like plants, even the poison ones,
[49:18] Speaker 16: the things that are not that great for us, for.
[49:22] Speaker 15: Those two be as consistent.
[49:28] Speaker 16: In growth and and I would say expansion that's probably
[49:35] Speaker 16: a bad word, but I mean like.
[49:37] Speaker 15: Them being in a lot of places.
[49:42] Speaker 1: That's how evolution works. Things that are able to thrive
[49:45] Speaker 1: will continue to thrive, and those that can't don't.
[49:48] Speaker 15: Yeah, I was trying not to bring another god into it,
[49:50] Speaker 15: so I wasn't gonna.
[49:51] Speaker 1: Say evolutions not a god into.
[49:56] Speaker 15: Yeah, that was kind of.
[49:57] Speaker 7: It was a joke.
[49:58] Speaker 15: It was a joke. That's a joke, all right.
[50:04] Speaker 4: Hmmm.
[50:06] Speaker 15: So yeah, it's more of, like I said, the things having.
[50:12] Speaker 16: The regeneration properties, the multiplication properties, and I usually go
[50:19] Speaker 16: to like seeds and stuff like that.
[50:22] Speaker 1: How these certainly are words. I just don't know how
[50:25] Speaker 1: any of them get you to God.
[50:28] Speaker 17: Because so so, what what Jesus in concept describes is
[50:40] Speaker 17: the planting of a seed and the regeneration of or
[50:45] Speaker 17: reconciliation of a people, which means, now there's multiplication for
[50:50] Speaker 17: one sacrifice.
[50:53] Speaker 1: But I know that this makes sense in your head,
[50:56] Speaker 1: but it doesn't make sense in our heart. Yet, what
[50:57] Speaker 1: does Jesus have to do with with any of this.
[51:02] Speaker 16: Again, like like looking at the story and how it
[51:06] Speaker 16: came to be, how life gave.
[51:12] Speaker 15: The creation.
[51:13] Speaker 16: If we go, if we're sticking to you know, the
[51:16] Speaker 16: Bible's story.
[51:18] Speaker 1: And how did creation come to be? God, can you
[51:25] Speaker 1: prove it? Because it sounds like a claim.
[51:28] Speaker 16: Right, Yeah, it's just according to Christian belief. And if
[51:33] Speaker 16: you don't believe that, no, no, I don't. I don't
[51:35] Speaker 16: claim to be able to prove such.
[51:37] Speaker 1: Well, we we know what Christians believe, so we don't
[51:39] Speaker 1: need an explanation about what Christians believe. But if if
[51:43] Speaker 1: you and I both agree that you can't actually give
[51:46] Speaker 1: an argument in defense of it, then I guess we
[51:48] Speaker 1: actually agree, and that as the end of the conversation.
[51:51] Speaker 1: If you can't defend your position, then we would say, yeah,
[51:54] Speaker 1: we agree, you can't defend your position. So it's a
[51:58] Speaker 1: good stopping point. Thanks for coming up, all right, I think, yeah,
[52:04] Speaker 1: well we end on a strong point of agreement. You
[52:08] Speaker 1: cannot defend your position. I'm okay with that. Okay, we're
[52:13] Speaker 1: gonna try Rob again next, and then we'll do Christopher
[52:15] Speaker 1: and then Simon in that order. I'm gonna read one, two, three, four, five,
[52:19] Speaker 1: six super chats and we'll get our next guests in here.
[52:22] Speaker 1: Data says, is there any theology that harmonize with life
[52:27] Speaker 1: in other worlds? And what do you think the theist
[52:30] Speaker 1: response would be to alien life? Well, if it's a
[52:32] Speaker 1: general theist, they wouldn't care. They'll be go, yeah, of
[52:34] Speaker 1: course God made life on other planets. If it's a Christian,
[52:37] Speaker 1: they got a lot of problems because there's not a
[52:39] Speaker 1: single thing that would lead you to believe that God
[52:42] Speaker 1: created like other sentient life on other planets. But like,
[52:46] Speaker 1: let's be honest, if we find life on other planets,
[52:48] Speaker 1: Christians will twist themselves into a million pretzels and come
[52:51] Speaker 1: up with a new theology to justify it.
[52:54] Speaker 2: So, yep, he will. He will have somehow, I mean,
[52:58] Speaker 2: but when you think about it, we'll just and like
[53:01] Speaker 2: they would have a problem with aliens, but they don't
[53:04] Speaker 2: have a problem with Satan falling light lightning from heaven.
[53:11] Speaker 2: I know where heaven? What if heaven is Pluto?
[53:15] Speaker 1: Sure, that's why Satan's such an icy bitch.
[53:20] Speaker 2: I wasn't expecting that response, Go on card, Okay, yeah, no,
[53:31] Speaker 2: but they would have they would do the pretzel game.
[53:34] Speaker 2: It would be a pretzel game, for sure.
[53:36] Speaker 1: That's my thought. A look at the trees, great to see.
[53:38] Speaker 1: It's his favorite Ralliga Moreau headline anarchy as flat earth,
[53:44] Speaker 1: dome halts Christians ascent during the rapture. This is a
[53:47] Speaker 1: good point. So anyone who's familiar with with the Biblical
[53:50] Speaker 1: cosmology knows that the rapture is underneath the dome. The sky,
[53:54] Speaker 1: the heavens is underneath them, the outer part. They have
[53:59] Speaker 1: no idea that outer space existed in the Bible, which
[54:01] Speaker 1: means you're just going to float up to the sky
[54:03] Speaker 1: and then come back down and that's it. You get
[54:05] Speaker 1: a little bit of moisture from the clouds and come
[54:07] Speaker 1: back a little bit more dank, and you live forever
[54:10] Speaker 1: with Jesus on the earth. The thing says, do you
[54:13] Speaker 1: know where you can find research on what percent of
[54:15] Speaker 1: people convert to religions based on logical arguments verse testimonies
[54:19] Speaker 1: versus family upbringing. I've never heard that survey, but Pew
[54:23] Speaker 1: Research does do some surveys. Have you ever ever heard
[54:26] Speaker 1: anything like this, Christina, I haven't heard.
[54:28] Speaker 2: I haven't heard this specific, sorry, but they do have a.
[54:31] Speaker 1: Lot of.
[54:33] Speaker 2: Like more uh, nuanced hype pull guest questions that they
[54:39] Speaker 2: two pulls on. I'd be interested in seeing if they
[54:41] Speaker 2: have something like that.
[54:43] Speaker 1: I would too. Actually, Matt good to see it, says,
[54:46] Speaker 1: first you kick sargon of a cod, then you kick
[54:49] Speaker 1: jargon of a cad. That's good. I appreciate that. Off
[54:53] Speaker 1: to a great start. Well, thank you, smack Listen. If
[54:56] Speaker 1: it was just me up here, I might tolerate some
[54:58] Speaker 1: of these nonsense guests, but I don't want to put
[55:00] Speaker 1: Christina through that. We wanted. We want to have some
[55:03] Speaker 1: legit conversations. Nathana says, First, King seven twenty three gets
[55:07] Speaker 1: pie wrong if it's literal and non symbolic, so much
[55:10] Speaker 1: for this math claim. Also, Decalogue isn't really ten laws.
[55:14] Speaker 1: It's not. Actually, if you read the Decalogue and find
[55:17] Speaker 1: all the places where there's a command like shall or
[55:19] Speaker 1: shall not, there's more than ten of them in the Decalogue.
[55:23] Speaker 1: And of course it depends on which version of it
[55:26] Speaker 1: you're reading, but yeah, there's actually more than ten. Just
[55:28] Speaker 1: go count them. And last one from our friend Nathananiel
[55:31] Speaker 1: again says, don't forget the hit tit and Neo Assyrian
[55:33] Speaker 1: covenental treaties inspired lay the Ten Commandments format too. I
[55:39] Speaker 1: mean yeah, So, like we've talked about the Treaty of
[55:42] Speaker 1: esther Hadden and some of the other treaties before the Bible,
[55:45] Speaker 1: like all of Deuteronomy is just basically ripped off like
[55:49] Speaker 1: Suster and Vassal Treaty. There's nothing even unique about the
[55:52] Speaker 1: Book of Deuteronomy. I'm going to try to get Robin here.
[55:55] Speaker 1: Rob welcome in. Are at least eighteen? And do you
[55:58] Speaker 1: believe in God?
[56:01] Speaker 4: Yes?
[56:02] Speaker 1: Cool? And what you gotta do? Believe in.
[56:06] Speaker 12: The Christian God?
[56:07] Speaker 9: All right?
[56:08] Speaker 1: And why should Christina? And I believe in the Christian God.
[56:13] Speaker 12: So the first thing that got me was fear, like
[56:17] Speaker 12: fear that the truth of God being able to give
[56:22] Speaker 12: you infinite punishment is if I find if I die
[56:26] Speaker 12: and I find out that's true, that's a long time
[56:30] Speaker 12: to have to worry about, you know, suffering, condemnation, suffering,
[56:37] Speaker 12: you know, separation, eternal separation from from the Creator.
[56:43] Speaker 1: So I already believe.
[56:44] Speaker 2: Go ahead, Christina, So you're saying that the reason why
[56:48] Speaker 2: you believe in this God is because you're afraid not
[56:51] Speaker 2: to believe in this God.
[56:54] Speaker 12: Well, when I got saved, I got the hammer of conviction.
[56:57] Speaker 12: For my sins, and I began to believe that if
[57:02] Speaker 12: I didn't turn for my sins, if I didn't put
[57:04] Speaker 12: my trust in the righteousness of Christ, that I wasn't
[57:06] Speaker 12: righteous enough because of my sins. Ye sounds like God
[57:10] Speaker 12: an answer for my actions.
[57:12] Speaker 2: It sounds like a good health fire brimstone sermon that
[57:15] Speaker 2: you got there that put that into your mind. I
[57:18] Speaker 2: sat through many of those hell fire and brimstone sermons.
[57:21] Speaker 2: Whether that reinforced this idea that if I didn't turn
[57:26] Speaker 2: from my sins and turn to God, that I was
[57:28] Speaker 2: going to lift up my eyes in hell and that's
[57:31] Speaker 2: where I would find myself for all of eternity because
[57:33] Speaker 2: I did not turn to God. And fear is no
[57:36] Speaker 2: reason to do things like that, right fears? Did you
[57:40] Speaker 2: ever consider that? Did you ever consider that God knows
[57:45] Speaker 2: that the only reason if you believe this God is real,
[57:48] Speaker 2: that you consider that he knows that you are only
[57:50] Speaker 2: in this relationship with him because you don't want to
[57:54] Speaker 2: go to help. It's not really love.
[57:58] Speaker 12: Yeah, I mean that's one way to look at it.
[58:02] Speaker 12: I mean another way is is that it's beyond our
[58:05] Speaker 12: comprehension and that our sin separates us from him. That
[58:10] Speaker 12: you know, the scripture says that flesh and blood can't
[58:13] Speaker 12: cannot enter and that He's made a path in order
[58:17] Speaker 12: to restore a relationship with him and give us a
[58:21] Speaker 12: place and eternal you know, bliss and eternal paradise rather
[58:25] Speaker 12: than eternal condemnation.
[58:27] Speaker 2: Flesh and blood cannot enterwear.
[58:32] Speaker 12: And to enter into his presence.
[58:34] Speaker 2: Okay, so flesh and blood. You say flesh and blood
[58:36] Speaker 2: can't enter into heaven, then what makes you think flesh
[58:39] Speaker 2: and blood can enter into hell? And you would need
[58:42] Speaker 2: to if you have one moment you would need you
[58:45] Speaker 2: would need physical, right, you would need the conscious. You
[58:48] Speaker 2: would need consciousness, the physical and the fire to to create,
[58:52] Speaker 2: to create the atmosphere of hell. Right, you would have
[58:57] Speaker 2: something only only the flesh can feel. Pain.
[59:03] Speaker 12: Yeah, I mean it could be somewhat metaphorical. I mean,
[59:05] Speaker 12: if you read the parable of Lazarus and the rich Man,
[59:08] Speaker 12: I mean he was suffering when he was separated from
[59:12] Speaker 12: God and you know there was nothing that he could
[59:14] Speaker 12: do and it was too late. And like, if you
[59:16] Speaker 12: believe that scripture is true, and many many people do,
[59:19] Speaker 12: many people have, you know, for a long long time,
[59:22] Speaker 12: and it turns out that it is true. I mean,
[59:24] Speaker 12: that's a that's that's you know, that's not a good
[59:27] Speaker 12: thing for you. You know when when God says, hey,
[59:30] Speaker 12: I've provided the righteous sacrifice for you, and all you
[59:32] Speaker 12: need to do is trust in Him and believe in Him,
[59:35] Speaker 12: and you're good. You know, I got you.
[59:37] Speaker 2: Tell me when God said these things? Tell me when
[59:40] Speaker 2: you tell me how you know that God said any
[59:43] Speaker 2: of this?
[59:44] Speaker 12: Well, I mean, I believe in the scripture with a
[59:47] Speaker 12: Christian worldview, I believe there's validity in the scripture. I
[59:50] Speaker 12: believe that God. You know, when you put your trust
[59:52] Speaker 12: in Him, he gives you the Holy Spirit and gives
[59:54] Speaker 12: you an inner knowing and inner witness to the scripture,
[59:56] Speaker 12: that the scriptures the inspired word of God. That there's
[1:00:00] Speaker 12: a lot of things that don't make sense.
[1:00:02] Speaker 2: You know, that's what you've been told, that's what you've
[1:00:05] Speaker 2: been taught. But you've never heard the voice of a
[1:00:08] Speaker 2: God telling you any of the things that have been
[1:00:10] Speaker 2: laid out in the text. You're simply taking what other
[1:00:13] Speaker 2: men have wrote and listening to what other preachers talk about,
[1:00:20] Speaker 2: what other men have wrote, have written. You've never seen
[1:00:24] Speaker 2: or you've never seen this God. You've never heard this
[1:00:26] Speaker 2: God the only evidence you have or the claims about him.
[1:00:29] Speaker 2: And we know that claims are not evidence. So if
[1:00:32] Speaker 2: you have evidence for the existence of this God, I
[1:00:35] Speaker 2: would love for you to show it to me. But
[1:00:37] Speaker 2: no one's been able to show me evidence of this
[1:00:40] Speaker 2: God or be able to tell me why I need
[1:00:42] Speaker 2: this God.
[1:00:44] Speaker 12: Right, Well, I mean I would think that the evidence
[1:00:46] Speaker 12: would be in church history. The evidence would be in
[1:00:49] Speaker 12: people to get saved and get delivered from drugs, you know,
[1:00:52] Speaker 12: I mean, the testimonies of other believers, you know. I mean,
[1:00:57] Speaker 12: I think there's a lot of evidence, and I do
[1:00:59] Speaker 12: believe there's evidence in creation. I believe when you look
[1:01:01] Speaker 12: in the world. You guys know what Romans one says.
[1:01:03] Speaker 12: It says that the invisible God, the attributes are revealed
[1:01:07] Speaker 12: demand from the beginning of time. And I believe that's true.
[1:01:10] Speaker 4: I do.
[1:01:10] Speaker 12: I think it's much more probable that God created this
[1:01:14] Speaker 12: than than evolution and their banks.
[1:01:16] Speaker 2: But you know, you think you think it's more probable
[1:01:19] Speaker 2: that an invisible deity, uh said let there be and
[1:01:25] Speaker 2: somebody that was not there was able to record the
[1:01:30] Speaker 2: the the stages of creation to the details like an
[1:01:36] Speaker 2: intricate detail, down to the creation of humanity of human beings, right,
[1:01:42] Speaker 2: and the place of them in the You think that
[1:01:44] Speaker 2: that's more plausible than the scientific understanding that we have
[1:01:48] Speaker 2: been able to deduce based off of the actual evidence.
[1:01:52] Speaker 12: Well, what's plausible about the scientific evidence? Like, what's more
[1:01:56] Speaker 12: plausible than just believing what people A lot of people believe,
[1:01:59] Speaker 12: which is that God created it, that there is a
[1:02:02] Speaker 12: outside of this.
[1:02:03] Speaker 2: Believe a lot of people. A lot of people believe
[1:02:06] Speaker 2: a lot of things. It doesn't mean that that doesn't
[1:02:08] Speaker 2: make it true. Just because a lot of people are
[1:02:10] Speaker 2: doing something doesn't make it right or true. Right, we
[1:02:14] Speaker 2: have a standard of evidence that, for I believe myself
[1:02:18] Speaker 2: and Justin is just a lot higher than yours. You're
[1:02:21] Speaker 2: willing to accept something on the strength that a lot
[1:02:23] Speaker 2: of people believe it and that a book says So
[1:02:27] Speaker 2: that's just not going to be the evidence that I
[1:02:30] Speaker 2: require for something to be true.
[1:02:34] Speaker 12: Right, Well, no scientists was there to see the Big Bang.
[1:02:37] Speaker 12: I mean, you're saying that nobody was there to see
[1:02:39] Speaker 12: God create. I mean I agree with you on that.
[1:02:41] Speaker 12: I mean, I believe it's the inspired word of God.
[1:02:43] Speaker 12: I believe that revelation came to people, and I believe
[1:02:46] Speaker 12: that many people have believed and that that's the system
[1:02:49] Speaker 12: God created. He's outside of what we see. And I
[1:02:52] Speaker 12: mean that's but the Big Bang theory says that there
[1:02:56] Speaker 12: was nothing and one day nothing exploded into something and
[1:03:00] Speaker 12: then all of a sudden, you have no human beings.
[1:03:03] Speaker 1: That's not the Big Bang round.
[1:03:05] Speaker 2: That's the that's the guide, but not the Big Bang theory.
[1:03:09] Speaker 12: So what's so? What's the so? What's the Big Bang?
[1:03:12] Speaker 12: What's the evidence standard that you're speaking of that's so
[1:03:15] Speaker 12: rigid that you know, I mean, it is a theory,
[1:03:17] Speaker 12: the big there was no scientists there. I mean what
[1:03:20] Speaker 12: they demonstrate in the laboratory and now it is not
[1:03:22] Speaker 12: what happened billion years.
[1:03:24] Speaker 1: So electrical theory is just a theory, is not real.
[1:03:29] Speaker 12: No electrical theory can be demonstrated. Is germ theory?
[1:03:33] Speaker 1: Is germ theory real.
[1:03:35] Speaker 12: It can be demonstrated and tested. It can be seen
[1:03:37] Speaker 12: in a microscope. Okay, so but I'm not talking about
[1:03:40] Speaker 12: your word.
[1:03:41] Speaker 1: Theory doesn't actually help you here then, because your argument
[1:03:44] Speaker 1: was the word theory is included with big bang, and
[1:03:46] Speaker 1: therefore the big bangs not like an actual valid scientific model.
[1:03:50] Speaker 1: But the word theory doesn't help your argument at all.
[1:03:54] Speaker 12: But you can't demonstrate it, That's what I'm saying. Yeah,
[1:03:56] Speaker 12: we can demonstrate.
[1:03:57] Speaker 1: Yeah, the cosmic radiation background demonstrates it, and the fact
[1:04:00] Speaker 1: that the universe is expanding, and we can just calculate
[1:04:03] Speaker 1: the reverse of the expansion. We know approximately when the
[1:04:06] Speaker 1: expansion started. We also look at red shift and things
[1:04:09] Speaker 1: like that to determine how long the light has been
[1:04:12] Speaker 1: out there and how far away it is. So yeah,
[1:04:14] Speaker 1: we we have a pretty good idea of where our
[1:04:18] Speaker 1: history takes us to the beginning of the Big Bang.
[1:04:20] Speaker 1: There's a reason why almost all scientists agree with the
[1:04:24] Speaker 1: Big Bang, and it's not because they're all liars. It's
[1:04:27] Speaker 1: because they actually engaged in the science. It sounds like
[1:04:30] Speaker 1: you haven't engaged in any of the science yet.
[1:04:32] Speaker 12: Rob I'm okay with the Big Bang. I'm okay with it.
[1:04:37] Speaker 1: I just want to know what you just said. It
[1:04:38] Speaker 1: was only a theory, okay.
[1:04:40] Speaker 12: Because I'm talking about what happened before it.
[1:04:43] Speaker 4: Okay.
[1:04:44] Speaker 1: So the cause of the Big Bang is depend on
[1:04:47] Speaker 1: which scientists you you believe in. I believe in endless
[1:04:50] Speaker 1: cycle of big bangs and big Frenches. You don't have to,
[1:04:53] Speaker 1: Roger pen That's not true. So Roger Penrose has a
[1:05:00] Speaker 1: different cyclical model that's just as good as a big
[1:05:03] Speaker 1: bang big crunch. There is no consensus as to what
[1:05:06] Speaker 1: was before the Big Bang, so there's no you can't
[1:05:08] Speaker 1: like disagree with the consensus of scientists on this because
[1:05:11] Speaker 1: there isn't the consensus of scientists on this. I say, God,
[1:05:14] Speaker 1: that being said, that's adorable. But what evidence do you
[1:05:17] Speaker 1: have of it?
[1:05:19] Speaker 12: I mean, what evidence do you have that that didn't have?
[1:05:22] Speaker 1: I don't need any evidence, so the reality is okay, okay,
[1:05:27] Speaker 1: then Rob, what do you have that's a tooth theory
[1:05:29] Speaker 1: doesn't exist?
[1:05:31] Speaker 4: Yeah?
[1:05:31] Speaker 12: I mean we're not. I have plenty of evidence that
[1:05:34] Speaker 12: the tooth fairy doesn't exist. Prove it because there hasn't
[1:05:36] Speaker 12: been two thousand years that has believed in worship believing God, which.
[1:05:42] Speaker 2: Is that I ever lost went missing and there was
[1:05:48] Speaker 2: money under my pillow. You can't convince me.
[1:05:52] Speaker 12: Yeah, that's that's not that's not the same.
[1:05:58] Speaker 1: Let's get some tooth ory logis in the chat. If
[1:06:00] Speaker 1: you got access to ches, get two theories up in here, man.
[1:06:04] Speaker 12: So why was the Bible hoaxed?
[1:06:07] Speaker 5: Then?
[1:06:08] Speaker 12: If it's a hoax, fine, I'm giving you that what
[1:06:11] Speaker 12: what would tell me why sixty six authors?
[1:06:16] Speaker 1: Oh no, I don't know why.
[1:06:17] Speaker 11: They say tell me.
[1:06:18] Speaker 12: Why over fifteen hundred years. I mean, just to give me,
[1:06:22] Speaker 12: justin give me a logical, rational reason why there was
[1:06:25] Speaker 12: a hoax of God's word. Like I believe Christiani is
[1:06:28] Speaker 12: the one true religion, and I believe other religions as.
[1:06:31] Speaker 1: I'm sure you do.
[1:06:32] Speaker 4: Rob. So.
[1:06:33] Speaker 1: The reality is the Bible wasn't written over fifteen hundred years.
[1:06:37] Speaker 1: It was written maybe over a period of eight hundred years.
[1:06:40] Speaker 1: That doesn't agree with itself. It's full of contradictions. That
[1:06:43] Speaker 1: theology of the New Testament entirely contradicts what the Old
[1:06:46] Speaker 1: Testament says. The idea that there's a sacrifice is is
[1:06:50] Speaker 1: a contradiction that's not in the Old Testament. The idea
[1:06:54] Speaker 1: that Jesus is the Messiah is a lie. He fulfilled
[1:06:56] Speaker 1: zero Messianic prophecies. The New Testament is is just a
[1:07:01] Speaker 1: failed death cult based on Judaism, which was already a
[1:07:04] Speaker 1: religion that wasn't true.
[1:07:06] Speaker 12: But it's not failed though, because it is a live,
[1:07:09] Speaker 12: healthy church today.
[1:07:11] Speaker 1: Having a church's meaningless. Do you know that the Muslims
[1:07:14] Speaker 1: are in abundance, that doesn't make Islam true, does it?
[1:07:18] Speaker 12: Well, I think that's a false religion.
[1:07:20] Speaker 1: That's my I know. So I try this again. Does
[1:07:24] Speaker 1: it having a lot of adherents make your religion true?
[1:07:29] Speaker 5: No?
[1:07:30] Speaker 1: Okay, then that's not a good talking point.
[1:07:32] Speaker 12: Also, it doesn't mean that. It doesn't mean is this
[1:07:34] Speaker 12: the same true?
[1:07:35] Speaker 4: It doesn't.
[1:07:36] Speaker 5: Rob.
[1:07:36] Speaker 1: Is this your ALTI religion? Is this your al to account?
[1:07:41] Speaker 12: Huh No, this is the same account.
[1:07:44] Speaker 1: Rob eighteen fifty one. Didn't I just kick you off
[1:07:47] Speaker 1: my live stream like two nights ago?
[1:07:50] Speaker 12: Yeah?
[1:07:51] Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought, So what the fuck are you doing
[1:07:53] Speaker 1: back here?
[1:07:55] Speaker 12: I just changed my picture?
[1:07:56] Speaker 1: What I I know? What I tell you when I
[1:07:58] Speaker 1: kicked you off last time.
[1:08:02] Speaker 12: I mean, I mean, I don't I don't care what
[1:08:04] Speaker 12: you said.
[1:08:04] Speaker 1: I mean you know, yeah, I know you don't care
[1:08:08] Speaker 1: because you're you're a lying piece of shit that thinks
[1:08:10] Speaker 1: it's okay if God rapes your wife. We're not doing
[1:08:13] Speaker 1: this again. You can leave, okay, don't. By the way,
[1:08:15] Speaker 1: I'm not kicking them. Mods and make sure you block them.
[1:08:19] Speaker 1: Mods block him right now. I want to see him
[1:08:20] Speaker 1: get get dropped down from getting blocked. Are there any
[1:08:23] Speaker 1: mods on TikTok right now?
[1:08:27] Speaker 2: I've reached for the screen. I'm not even a mod.
[1:08:30] Speaker 2: Get out of here, bucko.
[1:08:31] Speaker 1: He goes, yeah, he's been uh, he's been blocked. Cool,
[1:08:34] Speaker 1: all right, Yeah, So the last time he came up
[1:08:36] Speaker 1: under a different profile pick, he lied about saying it
[1:08:40] Speaker 1: would be he'd be okay if God had his wife raped,
[1:08:42] Speaker 1: if he committed adultery. And then I had to go
[1:08:44] Speaker 1: back on YouTube and get the video and play it
[1:08:46] Speaker 1: back for his lying face so that everyone can watch
[1:08:50] Speaker 1: him lie in real time. And then I kicked him
[1:08:51] Speaker 1: and said, never come back. All right, I'm gonna grab one, two, three,
[1:08:54] Speaker 1: four or five. So I'm gonna grab seven super chats.
[1:08:56] Speaker 1: So we're gonna get Christopher in here from the YouTube.
[1:08:58] Speaker 1: Que guys, I didn't realize that was the same Robb
[1:09:01] Speaker 1: or else I would have just not let him up here.
[1:09:04] Speaker 1: But you know, he's like hell bent on getting himself
[1:09:07] Speaker 1: banned from everyone's live streams. Side says, just want to
[1:09:09] Speaker 1: say hello, love the new kiddies, thank you. They're adorable.
[1:09:14] Speaker 1: They're downstairs sleeping right now. They were so tuckered out
[1:09:16] Speaker 1: from playing today. But once they wake up from the nap,
[1:09:18] Speaker 1: I'm sure you'll see both of them at various times
[1:09:21] Speaker 1: trying to climb on top of my head JM thinking
[1:09:23] Speaker 1: for the two dour super things, and Steve says, I'm
[1:09:27] Speaker 1: an accountant. FC's theory doesn't add up. That's the good
[1:09:30] Speaker 1: use of words. By the way, the thing doesn't add up.
[1:09:33] Speaker 1: Fucking amazing. In fact, that reminds me I forgot. I
[1:09:39] Speaker 1: gotta get my soundboard open. But yeah, I've talked to
[1:09:44] Speaker 1: FC before. He never really does bring anything helpful to discussion.
[1:09:48] Speaker 1: I was hoping that he'd be a little more normal
[1:09:53] Speaker 1: this time around, and well, yeah, we see what happened.
[1:09:57] Speaker 1: Game guy says, FC said he had a new argument,
[1:10:00] Speaker 1: not a good one.
[1:10:01] Speaker 2: That's true, Right, you have a new one, not a
[1:10:04] Speaker 2: good one.
[1:10:05] Speaker 1: That's fair. Yep, that's not me. That's not me. And
[1:10:08] Speaker 1: Doc good to see it, says the esketon is is
[1:10:12] Speaker 1: divine canesianism perpetual demand, infinite supply, zero work. I mean, yeah,
[1:10:20] Speaker 1: I mean I don't want to get into a discussion
[1:10:23] Speaker 1: about Canesian economics, but I mean in Knesian economics, you
[1:10:28] Speaker 1: you might not have perpetual or infinite supply. You want
[1:10:32] Speaker 1: perpetual demand though, that is for sure. And last one
[1:10:34] Speaker 1: for now from space Lord says the week is perfect.
[1:10:38] Speaker 1: Days don't fit into years, and three hundred and sixty
[1:10:40] Speaker 1: five is a dumb number of days. Anyways, The lunar
[1:10:43] Speaker 1: year doesn't fit in the solar year either. That's actually
[1:10:45] Speaker 1: a really good point, Like if the number of days
[1:10:47] Speaker 1: is relevant, we can't count a solid seventy in any
[1:10:50] Speaker 1: or seven in any calendar. There's no such thing. We
[1:10:54] Speaker 1: always have to have leap years and do other like
[1:10:56] Speaker 1: weird types of accounting. Right, we're gonna grab Christopher in
[1:11:00] Speaker 1: here from our YouTube Q and then we're going to
[1:11:02] Speaker 1: get Simon, and then after that we'll get pro Myth.
[1:11:05] Speaker 1: I don't know if that's short for Prometheus or I
[1:11:07] Speaker 1: guess we'll find out one second. Welcome in, Christopher, Christopher,
[1:11:18] Speaker 1: I don't know if you if you can hear us?
[1:11:20] Speaker 1: There you go. Your Mike's unmuted. Now, how are you doing, Christopher?
[1:11:24] Speaker 18: Yeah, sorry about that.
[1:11:25] Speaker 1: It's okay, Christopher. Are you at least eighteen? And do
[1:11:28] Speaker 1: you believe in God?
[1:11:31] Speaker 2: Yes?
[1:11:32] Speaker 19: I am good over eighteen and I do believe in God.
[1:11:38] Speaker 19: I called in not too long ago with some badminist
[1:11:44] Speaker 19: talk to you. M I had been watching your videos
[1:11:52] Speaker 19: as of late, and I can't square some of the
[1:11:57] Speaker 19: things that you have been Oh cat talked about slavery mhm,
[1:12:08] Speaker 19: stuning of virgin women on their wedding nights, a number
[1:12:15] Speaker 19: of other things, and neither could my pastor and the
[1:12:20] Speaker 19: constant shifting.
[1:12:21] Speaker 1: Of past answers. I know that much.
[1:12:25] Speaker 19: Oh yeah, And considering that I don't really believe in
[1:12:30] Speaker 19: the first part of Genesis because of college, I kind
[1:12:36] Speaker 19: of grew out of that. I'm kind of deconstructing myself.
[1:12:43] Speaker 19: I figured i would call back and kind of let
[1:12:46] Speaker 19: you know I'm taking the first tentative steps. I'm outside
[1:12:51] Speaker 19: of my Seventh day Adventist religion.
[1:12:54] Speaker 1: Well, congratulations, you're on the journey of honesty. Instruction ends
[1:13:00] Speaker 1: differently for everybody. Some people be home agnostic, some people
[1:13:04] Speaker 1: stay in the faith, some people become atheist. It's you know,
[1:13:09] Speaker 1: but you're at the beginning of the journey, which is
[1:13:11] Speaker 1: means you're at least being honest with yourself. You're looking
[1:13:14] Speaker 1: at some stuff and you're saying, hey, maybe there's some
[1:13:16] Speaker 1: something add up we should.
[1:13:17] Speaker 9: Look into it.
[1:13:18] Speaker 19: Right, that's what I That's what I've been doing. And
[1:13:23] Speaker 19: your videos are amazing.
[1:13:26] Speaker 1: Thanks. I appreciate that. Have you followed Christina.
[1:13:28] Speaker 19: Yet I know no, no, I I'm I. I am
[1:13:35] Speaker 19: completely new to this. I just I follow your d
[1:13:38] Speaker 19: DZ Debates channel and uh the line and I've been
[1:13:46] Speaker 19: watching watching the line and and uh DZ Debates. So
[1:13:52] Speaker 19: I'll go ahead and after I'm done here, I'll go
[1:13:55] Speaker 19: ahead and follow Christina.
[1:13:57] Speaker 1: Thank you, Christopher. We really appreciate you coming and sharing
[1:14:02] Speaker 1: with us. If you have questions, come back and let
[1:14:04] Speaker 1: us know. More than happity to answer questions. We got
[1:14:07] Speaker 1: a lot of X Seventh Day Adventists in the community.
[1:14:10] Speaker 1: You might want to consider joining the discord.
[1:14:14] Speaker 19: I greatly appreciate it. Thank you very much for your time.
[1:14:17] Speaker 1: Sure thing truers friend, might sound like.
[1:14:21] Speaker 2: A silly question justin chat forgive me. I don't know
[1:14:28] Speaker 2: a lot about Seventh Day Eventists. The only thing that
[1:14:32] Speaker 2: I knew growing up about saying Seventh Day Adventists was
[1:14:36] Speaker 2: that they went to church on Saturdays instead of Sundays.
[1:14:39] Speaker 2: Are there are there any like other more significant what's
[1:14:48] Speaker 2: the what's the one I'm looking for? Any significant differences
[1:14:52] Speaker 2: in their doctrines? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[1:14:54] Speaker 1: So there's kind of two things that the SDA is
[1:14:56] Speaker 1: known for. They're known for their end times, like the
[1:15:00] Speaker 1: world predictions that always fail. At some point they stopped
[1:15:03] Speaker 1: giving them because they kept failing. And they're also known
[1:15:06] Speaker 1: for actually trying to observe some of the Old Testament laws.
[1:15:10] Speaker 1: It's clear they don't really they're not like they're not
[1:15:14] Speaker 1: like Messianic quasi Messianic Jews, like the Hebrew Roots movement
[1:15:22] Speaker 1: where they try to observe most of the Torah. They
[1:15:25] Speaker 1: really only observe a couple of them. But the big
[1:15:28] Speaker 1: thing is that they want to observe the Sabbath because
[1:15:31] Speaker 1: it's part of the Ten Commandments and whatnot. And they
[1:15:34] Speaker 1: do observe some other things, like a lot of them
[1:15:36] Speaker 1: don't have Christmas trees because there's a verse in Jeremiah
[1:15:40] Speaker 1: that talks about decorating a tree. It's clearly referring to
[1:15:44] Speaker 1: an idol, but they take it literally as like a
[1:15:46] Speaker 1: Christmas Christmas tree. So there's some goofy stuff like that.
[1:15:50] Speaker 1: But other than that, now, I mean, there's not nothing
[1:15:54] Speaker 1: like super crazy. So there's that. Friends, I'm gonna grab
[1:15:59] Speaker 1: three super chest we'll get our next guest in here.
[1:16:01] Speaker 1: While I'm doing that. Make sure you go to Christina's
[1:16:03] Speaker 1: link in the description of this video and follow her channel.
[1:16:07] Speaker 1: She's almost at three hundred subscribers. We want to get
[1:16:09] Speaker 1: her over one thousand today. Let's go get her over
[1:16:12] Speaker 1: one thousand today. That's our goal. We're gonna make things happen.
[1:16:16] Speaker 1: Bible guy, great to see you.
[1:16:18] Speaker 2: I will have a video because this is crazy I had.
[1:16:22] Speaker 2: I'm gonna be honest. I had sixty four sixty four
[1:16:24] Speaker 2: people on my YouTube. That's not wasn't any rush so like.
[1:16:28] Speaker 2: But if you guys pushed me over, I will have
[1:16:31] Speaker 2: to I only I have no choice.
[1:16:33] Speaker 1: We're cooking way over one thousand today, Bible guy.
[1:16:36] Speaker 13: Good to see a.
[1:16:36] Speaker 1: Dalton says after the show, I need you to text
[1:16:39] Speaker 1: me some images of Doug, Sharon and Pie. Also, hello Christina, Hi.
[1:16:45] Speaker 1: I would definitely do that, Dalton, and great to see you.
[1:16:48] Speaker 1: My friend Johannes says, the sun is alive. I need
[1:16:51] Speaker 1: to drink. I know at least this time I knew
[1:16:54] Speaker 1: what Dirk was gonna say. The first time I heard
[1:16:56] Speaker 1: Dirk it was it was a little shar jarring for me.
[1:17:00] Speaker 1: Konami good to see it says upside down stream is
[1:17:03] Speaker 1: superior to both horizontal and vertical. Praise dog. This this
[1:17:06] Speaker 1: is another heretical sect Konami and I won't stand for it.
[1:17:10] Speaker 1: We will have no more divisions this in this community.
[1:17:12] Speaker 1: We do horizontal and vertical and there's there's no no
[1:17:17] Speaker 1: one's better or worse than the other world, all on
[1:17:19] Speaker 1: the same team. And with that, we'll get Simon into
[1:17:22] Speaker 1: the box. How you doing, Simon? Simon? Hello, there you are.
[1:17:30] Speaker 1: How you doing, Simon?
[1:17:32] Speaker 4: Well? Good?
[1:17:33] Speaker 1: How are you doing well? Simon? Have we talked before? Yes, yeah,
[1:17:39] Speaker 1: recognize your voice. How you doing, Simon?
[1:17:42] Speaker 4: Yeah? Yeah, well good Simon.
[1:17:44] Speaker 6: Uh.
[1:17:45] Speaker 1: Why should Christina and I believe in your God and
[1:17:50] Speaker 1: make it good? Yeah?
[1:17:52] Speaker 4: Absolutely? I wanted to bring on a compelling argument, you know,
[1:17:56] Speaker 4: not just my personal experiences.
[1:17:59] Speaker 1: There we go, people present, that's what we want. Give
[1:18:03] Speaker 1: us the compelling argument, make make Christina and I say
[1:18:07] Speaker 1: huh shit, this must be true?
[1:18:10] Speaker 4: Yeah? Absolutely. So my argument is if the Qur'an mentions
[1:18:17] Speaker 4: scientific phenomenon that was impossible for them to know at
[1:18:23] Speaker 4: that time, would it be a proof of revelation from God?
[1:18:29] Speaker 3: No?
[1:18:32] Speaker 4: And you presented your argument last time about a fluid
[1:18:35] Speaker 4: being emitted from between the rib and the backbone.
[1:18:40] Speaker 1: Yeah, so, Simon, the problem with this argument is you
[1:18:42] Speaker 1: would have to demonstrate that a god existed before you
[1:18:45] Speaker 1: can say that information came from a god. Because if
[1:18:47] Speaker 1: there's something in the Quran and you don't know how
[1:18:51] Speaker 1: they could have known it, all that means is you
[1:18:53] Speaker 1: personally don't know how they could have known it. It
[1:18:56] Speaker 1: doesn't connect it to a god in any way. And remember,
[1:19:00] Speaker 1: Muhammad's father was a fucking merchant. The dude had a
[1:19:04] Speaker 1: father who traveled and knew people and knew a lot
[1:19:07] Speaker 1: of stuff. And so did Mohammad. Before he became a warlord, pedophile, prophet,
[1:19:11] Speaker 1: he merchant. With his father, he ran into people of
[1:19:15] Speaker 1: all different shape, sizes, and nationalities. He would have come
[1:19:18] Speaker 1: into contact with people who brought different pieces of information
[1:19:22] Speaker 1: from different cultures. Also, we don't know that anything in
[1:19:26] Speaker 1: the Koran even came from Mohammed, being that he didn't
[1:19:28] Speaker 1: write even a single word of it.
[1:19:32] Speaker 4: Absolutely, But if these sciences were not known at that time,
[1:19:36] Speaker 4: then where would he have heard it from.
[1:19:38] Speaker 1: They were known. There's not a single thing in the
[1:19:40] Speaker 1: Koran that wasn't unknown. It's just that you don't know
[1:19:43] Speaker 1: where they came from, Simon, because you've never googled it.
[1:19:48] Speaker 4: Well, actually, I wanted to present against your argument reference from.
[1:19:54] Speaker 1: Yeah, give me give me your next chronic miracle.
[1:19:59] Speaker 4: No, the one that you mentioned that. Can you bring
[1:20:01] Speaker 4: up your verse about the seamen coming from between the
[1:20:05] Speaker 4: backbone and the rig if you put it up on
[1:20:07] Speaker 4: screen please? Yeah, because that was your argument last time,
[1:20:11] Speaker 4: which was a fair argument.
[1:20:13] Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it is because that's what the Koran says.
[1:20:16] Speaker 4: And yeah, absolutely, I would only like to reference, you know,
[1:20:20] Speaker 4: the scripture itself.
[1:20:22] Speaker 13: Yeah.
[1:20:23] Speaker 1: Do you think this is gonna go well for you?
[1:20:24] Speaker 1: Do you think you're the first Muslim who thought that
[1:20:26] Speaker 1: you find you find an answer the problem?
[1:20:29] Speaker 4: I hope. So you're not.
[1:20:33] Speaker 1: Nothing you say is going to be unique here, Just
[1:20:35] Speaker 1: to be aware of that. Okay, So the passage is
[1:20:39] Speaker 1: already up. Please give us our you know, your bad
[1:20:42] Speaker 1: fix for it and we'll we'll get through it.
[1:20:45] Speaker 4: Okay. So, from modern scientific understanding, the male reproductive organs,
[1:20:52] Speaker 4: the testes originally developed high in the back near the
[1:20:57] Speaker 4: kidneys lumbar region near this at between the backbone and
[1:21:03] Speaker 4: the ribs. Yeah we know, yep, before descending to the scroll, yep,
[1:21:09] Speaker 4: the reproductive organs.
[1:21:11] Speaker 1: Yeah does yeah, we know this? Does verse six say
[1:21:15] Speaker 1: that that the testes were created up there, No.
[1:21:22] Speaker 4: Because of course we spoke about it last time.
[1:21:25] Speaker 1: That's right, Okay, so I'm sure it is. And you
[1:21:28] Speaker 1: don't know Arabic, right right, so you know the very
[1:21:33] Speaker 1: nuanced language, zero percent and cool. So it says they
[1:21:37] Speaker 1: were created or that's not even in the text. That's
[1:21:40] Speaker 1: why it's in parentheses. They were is not in the text.
[1:21:44] Speaker 1: It just says created from a spurting fluid referring to
[1:21:47] Speaker 1: the people, stemming from between the backbone and the rib cage.
[1:21:51] Speaker 1: It doesn't say that the testes came from the backbone
[1:21:53] Speaker 1: rib cage. It says the spurting fluid stemmed from between
[1:21:56] Speaker 1: the rib, rib cage and the backbone. But there's no
[1:22:00] Speaker 1: sperm in the testes prior to them descending. As far
[1:22:02] Speaker 1: as I'm aware, I.
[1:22:04] Speaker 4: Don't believe it.
[1:22:07] Speaker 1: It's spurting fluid. Are your testing Are your testes spurting fluids?
[1:22:13] Speaker 7: I'm gonna.
[1:22:16] Speaker 4: Here.
[1:22:18] Speaker 1: I mean, you knew we're going to bring up a
[1:22:19] Speaker 1: guy that can speak Arabic that wanted to talk about
[1:22:22] Speaker 1: how the Arabic languages. Yes, Simon's terrified of.
[1:22:29] Speaker 4: MS so scared, I'm classic.
[1:22:35] Speaker 1: Yeah, that'll that will save you. GPT will save you
[1:22:39] Speaker 1: that that'll work. Not only not only is his ms
[1:22:44] Speaker 1: a native Arabic speaker, but also remember he's a fucking
[1:22:47] Speaker 1: medical doctor. This is not gonna go well for you.
[1:22:51] Speaker 4: Okay, So how does he explain the male active developed
[1:22:55] Speaker 4: in the embryo.
[1:23:00] Speaker 7: They're produced from the get to answer your question, They're
[1:23:03] Speaker 7: produced from the intermediate mesoderm, which also causes the kidneys
[1:23:06] Speaker 7: to be formed, which is why they form close to
[1:23:08] Speaker 7: each other. This says nothing to do with the text
[1:23:10] Speaker 7: because what it says with a verb believing that has
[1:23:14] Speaker 7: an action doer a verb has a thing or a
[1:23:17] Speaker 7: person that does the verb in Arabic, which we call
[1:23:20] Speaker 7: the file. The file in this context has to be
[1:23:23] Speaker 7: derived from what is used in the side of the text,
[1:23:26] Speaker 7: which would be either the human himself coming from between
[1:23:29] Speaker 7: the back when the ribs, or the liquid. It connot
[1:23:31] Speaker 7: be referred to something outside of the text.
[1:23:35] Speaker 4: Okay, so the liquid would come from between the spine
[1:23:39] Speaker 4: and they.
[1:23:42] Speaker 7: That it would have to be the liquid or the baby. Linguistically,
[1:23:47] Speaker 7: it couldn't be anything else.
[1:23:57] Speaker 1: Well, you tried, simon, you gave that Google ai over
[1:24:01] Speaker 1: of you can give.
[1:24:02] Speaker 4: Us that was the thing. It's very I would say
[1:24:08] Speaker 4: egotistical that this ends guy would feel comfortable to explain.
[1:24:14] Speaker 1: So much they hate him.
[1:24:18] Speaker 11: Word.
[1:24:19] Speaker 4: I would never uh hates a strong words. So I
[1:24:28] Speaker 4: don't hold any hate in my heart.
[1:24:35] Speaker 7: Go for my head.
[1:24:38] Speaker 1: Yes, do you believe in Sharia law?
[1:24:44] Speaker 4: Absolutely?
[1:24:45] Speaker 1: Do you believe in Sharia law when it says that
[1:24:48] Speaker 1: a postage should.
[1:24:49] Speaker 4: Be executed again in the context of an Islamic state.
[1:24:53] Speaker 1: He can't say yes or no. He can't say yes no.
[1:24:56] Speaker 1: Do you believe insie? You can call it anything you
[1:25:05] Speaker 1: want to. I'm asking you, do you believe that apostate
[1:25:07] Speaker 1: should be executed.
[1:25:09] Speaker 4: If it was in the context of trees.
[1:25:14] Speaker 7: My consecution? Please?
[1:25:17] Speaker 4: So?
[1:25:17] Speaker 1: So then, simon, do you believe that M should be
[1:25:20] Speaker 1: executed as an apostate?
[1:25:23] Speaker 4: That's not my position to take.
[1:25:26] Speaker 1: I'm asking you what your position is, so glone, not
[1:25:31] Speaker 1: the type of backbone that's where the sperm comes from,
[1:25:34] Speaker 1: but a real backbone. Do you believe that M should
[1:25:36] Speaker 1: be executed?
[1:25:39] Speaker 4: It has to go through a judge.
[1:25:41] Speaker 1: I didn't ask you that.
[1:25:43] Speaker 2: That response is coward is you have a you have
[1:25:46] Speaker 2: a stance on right, and you know what that stance is.
[1:25:51] Speaker 2: But because M's is here, you don't want to say
[1:25:54] Speaker 2: exactly what you believe in. That's a cowardice thing to do. Right.
[1:25:58] Speaker 2: If you if you believe, if you believe that a
[1:26:01] Speaker 2: postage should be unlive, then then by all means say
[1:26:05] Speaker 2: it with your chest. Stand ten toes on what it
[1:26:07] Speaker 2: is that you believe.
[1:26:10] Speaker 1: There's so much simon, go ahead a man, simon a man.
[1:26:15] Speaker 1: Do you believe that, according to your religion, according to
[1:26:18] Speaker 1: your belief systems, that M should be executed as an apostate?
[1:26:22] Speaker 4: I would like Sharia law to be the.
[1:26:26] Speaker 1: Yeah, and as part of that, would you like to
[1:26:29] Speaker 1: have MS executed as an apostate?
[1:26:32] Speaker 4: I'm not a judge.
[1:26:34] Speaker 1: I didn't ask if you were judge. I'm asking for
[1:26:36] Speaker 1: your opinion. In your opinion, would you like to see
[1:26:39] Speaker 1: MS executed as an apostate?
[1:26:42] Speaker 4: I don't fully understand.
[1:26:46] Speaker 2: Just said that you wanted to you wanted it to
[1:26:48] Speaker 2: be upheld. How would you say you want something to
[1:26:50] Speaker 2: be upheld that you don't understand? I think you're being asnict.
[1:26:53] Speaker 1: He's being a coward. Christina nailed you. You're being a coward.
[1:26:56] Speaker 1: Right now, you can't say it, you can't let it
[1:26:58] Speaker 1: come out of your face. And the fact that you
[1:27:00] Speaker 1: can't let it come out of your pie hole. Lets
[1:27:02] Speaker 1: all of us know that you don't even like what
[1:27:04] Speaker 1: your own religion teaches. You're embarrassed to say it out loud.
[1:27:07] Speaker 1: So stand ten toes down, stand on business and say
[1:27:10] Speaker 1: you want ms to be executed for his crimes against
[1:27:14] Speaker 1: the state.
[1:27:16] Speaker 7: You just said, Judge is Bush, could you read Yeah,
[1:27:26] Speaker 7: Lee burns them on the spot.
[1:27:35] Speaker 1: Yeah. So it says, uh, some zen and Nika or
[1:27:41] Speaker 1: atheists were brought to Ali and he burnt them. The
[1:27:44] Speaker 1: news of this event which reached I beIN Abbas who said,
[1:27:47] Speaker 1: if I have been in his place, I would have
[1:27:50] Speaker 1: burnt them. As Allah's messenger forbade it saying, I said,
[1:27:53] Speaker 1: I would not have burnt them, as Allah's messenger forbade
[1:27:56] Speaker 1: it saying do not punish anybody with all his punishment,
[1:27:59] Speaker 1: which is fire, I would have killed them. According to
[1:28:01] Speaker 1: the statement of a law's messenger, whoever change his Islamic religion,
[1:28:05] Speaker 1: then kill him. Oh, yes, whoever changed his Islamic religion,
[1:28:09] Speaker 1: kill him all right there in uh the hadith?
[1:28:14] Speaker 4: Yes, Okay, so.
[1:28:17] Speaker 7: We're literally killing them.
[1:28:20] Speaker 1: So simon, we're just waiting for you to be a
[1:28:22] Speaker 1: man and articulate your opinion should Ms, according to the
[1:28:28] Speaker 1: laws in your religion be executed?
[1:28:31] Speaker 4: So if you let me express my opinion.
[1:28:35] Speaker 2: After you answer the question, it's a simple yes or no,
[1:28:37] Speaker 2: and then you can expound. But we don't need to
[1:28:40] Speaker 2: surround them Allberry Bush, just for you to to like
[1:28:43] Speaker 2: not stand on a just so.
[1:28:48] Speaker 11: Yes.
[1:28:50] Speaker 4: Execution is a simple yes, well no answer? Is that? What?
[1:28:54] Speaker 2: Yeah?
[1:28:54] Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll try. It's actually really easy.
[1:28:57] Speaker 5: I should.
[1:28:59] Speaker 1: In fact, I don't even know Christina's position, but I
[1:29:01] Speaker 1: know she can answer the question. Christina, would you like
[1:29:05] Speaker 1: to see apostates executed?
[1:29:08] Speaker 2: Absolutely not?
[1:29:09] Speaker 1: Oh yeah, okay, then give us your opinion. Would you
[1:29:15] Speaker 1: like to see apostates?
[1:29:17] Speaker 4: Many times?
[1:29:18] Speaker 2: Your answer so, Simon, your answer is yes.
[1:29:23] Speaker 1: Simon. We're still waiting for you to be a man
[1:29:27] Speaker 1: and tell us your opinion. Do you think, according to
[1:29:30] Speaker 1: your opinion, that M should be executed as an apostate?
[1:29:34] Speaker 4: I've given that so many times.
[1:29:35] Speaker 1: No, we're waiting for yes or no. Stop being a
[1:29:38] Speaker 1: coward and say yes or no. Yes or no, Simon,
[1:29:42] Speaker 1: do you think that M should be executed as an apostate?
[1:29:45] Speaker 1: I'll never let you pivot. You're gonna you're gonna be
[1:29:48] Speaker 1: a man or you're gonna you're gonna get kicked out
[1:29:50] Speaker 1: of here. So that's like dodge number fifteen. How many
[1:29:53] Speaker 1: dodges you want.
[1:29:58] Speaker 4: We'll love to chat to side whether the.
[1:30:01] Speaker 1: Chats are decided that you're you're you're not only violent,
[1:30:05] Speaker 1: you're a coward. You can't even stand behind your while off.
[1:30:09] Speaker 4: Thank you so much for your insult.
[1:30:12] Speaker 2: It's like, don't be don't don't do that right. You're
[1:30:16] Speaker 2: relying on chat to tell you what your stance is.
[1:30:19] Speaker 2: You're relying on people that you don't know. Let's just
[1:30:21] Speaker 2: see what the chat says. We're asking you, as a
[1:30:24] Speaker 2: grown man at your big age, to say, what did
[1:30:28] Speaker 2: you believe. If you believe that he should execute it
[1:30:31] Speaker 2: as an apostate, then say yes. If you don't believe that,
[1:30:34] Speaker 2: then say no. It's not hard. What's hard is that
[1:30:37] Speaker 2: you don't want to look like the po s f
[1:30:40] Speaker 2: F that you are in front of all these people.
[1:30:43] Speaker 2: That's what the problem is, because like, you definitely want
[1:30:46] Speaker 2: to say yes, because if you wanted to say no,
[1:30:49] Speaker 2: you would have said that this is a yes or
[1:30:51] Speaker 2: no is a very simple answered.
[1:30:55] Speaker 4: The chat because he said I.
[1:30:57] Speaker 2: Don't care why you mentioned the chat. This is this?
[1:31:00] Speaker 2: Why did you men conversations like this? You're a dishonest interlockertor,
[1:31:03] Speaker 2: and it's ter It's terribly boring to talk to people
[1:31:06] Speaker 2: like you're insulting my intelligence by sitting here, lying to
[1:31:12] Speaker 2: our faces and not engaging honestly in this conversation. You're surrounded,
[1:31:17] Speaker 2: pretend to be one.
[1:31:19] Speaker 4: Sincerely apologize.
[1:31:21] Speaker 1: Okay, Your party is meaningless until you answer the question, simon.
[1:31:25] Speaker 1: So the question is, would you would you want MS
[1:31:29] Speaker 1: to be?
[1:31:30] Speaker 4: What?
[1:31:30] Speaker 1: Would you want MS to be? Executed? As an apostate?
[1:31:34] Speaker 4: Can I speak to him?
[1:31:35] Speaker 1: No, you're going to answer the question and you're not
[1:31:37] Speaker 1: going to do anything else until you do. Would you
[1:31:40] Speaker 1: like to have MS executed as an apostate?
[1:31:43] Speaker 4: Okay? Well, this is my final statement. It takes a
[1:31:46] Speaker 4: judge in a jewelry to make this.
[1:31:47] Speaker 1: It's not your final statement because now you're muted. You
[1:31:51] Speaker 1: don't get the gap by my lives dreams.
[1:31:53] Speaker 7: Go ahead, shoot me, please wear it. Which schoolar is
[1:31:58] Speaker 7: there needs to be a judge? Go ahead, because this
[1:32:02] Speaker 7: is simply bullshit.
[1:32:06] Speaker 4: I'm not educated and.
[1:32:09] Speaker 1: You're definitely educated.
[1:32:11] Speaker 7: Absolutely, you shouldn't keep me.
[1:32:17] Speaker 4: Wow a juwy okayanks, So guys and I enjoy your
[1:32:26] Speaker 4: all right.
[1:32:27] Speaker 1: Well, listen, next time you need a diaper change, simon,
[1:32:29] Speaker 1: come and come on back. But we're gonna ask you
[1:32:31] Speaker 1: the same question. We're gonna ask you to actually stand
[1:32:34] Speaker 1: ten toes down in your religion and either deny or
[1:32:37] Speaker 1: confirm if you think M should be executed in the
[1:32:39] Speaker 1: pasta and you'll never get to talk to us until
[1:32:41] Speaker 1: you answer that question. Sorry you had to listen to that, MS.
[1:32:46] Speaker 7: I'm used to it. But anyways, thank you for having
[1:32:48] Speaker 7: me absolutely and we'd be sleeping up with so hopefully
[1:32:52] Speaker 7: you know we're Muslims with.
[1:32:55] Speaker 1: Thanks buddy, we love you, Thank you so much. Let's
[1:32:59] Speaker 1: get some w for MS and the chat friends, Let's
[1:33:01] Speaker 1: get some debuts for MS. I'm the best. I'm the best.
[1:33:06] Speaker 1: I'm gonna grab one, two, three, four, five more super
[1:33:10] Speaker 1: chats and then we'll get our next guest in here.
[1:33:11] Speaker 1: While I'm getting those super chats, friends, Christina is at
[1:33:14] Speaker 1: four hundred and twenty nine subscribers. We need to be
[1:33:16] Speaker 1: for five hundred subscribers before these superchats are read. If
[1:33:20] Speaker 1: you're if you haven't clicked on the description of this
[1:33:23] Speaker 1: video and followed her YouTube channel. Now's the time to
[1:33:26] Speaker 1: do it. We're gonna get over one thousand followers today.
[1:33:29] Speaker 1: We're gonna get her over that hump. Adam says the
[1:33:31] Speaker 1: sun was created by the Bank for England. Therefore Fatima obviously,
[1:33:38] Speaker 1: I never thought about that. The connections are obvious, very unbelievable.
[1:33:47] Speaker 2: I just get really frustrated justin when we talked to
[1:33:51] Speaker 2: believers who believe these very heinous things and are willing
[1:33:54] Speaker 2: to have these archaic and evil acts done to people,
[1:34:00] Speaker 2: but they won't stand on it.
[1:34:02] Speaker 3: Say it.
[1:34:03] Speaker 2: Say it out loud, you evil person.
[1:34:06] Speaker 1: You if you can't say it, you shouldn't have the belief.
[1:34:09] Speaker 1: Like if you believe something to be true and you
[1:34:11] Speaker 1: can't say it out loud, that's the kgnitive dissonance happening
[1:34:14] Speaker 1: inside your head. That's how you know that you believe
[1:34:17] Speaker 1: some heinous shit, right.
[1:34:19] Speaker 2: And you know it. You know it, and those people
[1:34:22] Speaker 2: believe is out of fear and their own hatred for
[1:34:26] Speaker 2: either other people or themselves. That's so disheartening.
[1:34:31] Speaker 1: Robin says, paying for a cameo of Volta and or Faraday, Well,
[1:34:35] Speaker 1: Faraday was up here just a minute ago. If I
[1:34:37] Speaker 1: remember correctly, Bolta and Faraday will be back. They're awake
[1:34:39] Speaker 1: from their nap now, and you'll see some Kiddi cats
[1:34:42] Speaker 1: on screen shortly. I'm positive of that. Thank you for that,
[1:34:46] Speaker 1: and also, Gretchen, good to hear from you again, says
[1:34:48] Speaker 1: I suggest a wing Nut timer for guys like Dirk.
[1:34:51] Speaker 1: Oh ah, woe timer. So we've got a Philbro timer,
[1:34:57] Speaker 1: and we've got a Yap timer. We need a fill
[1:34:59] Speaker 1: Bro or Wu timer. The people who get Wu Wu arguments,
[1:35:06] Speaker 1: I agree, this is fair, this is fair. You're right,
[1:35:08] Speaker 1: we did, we got our work on that. We need
[1:35:10] Speaker 1: a WU timer. I'm with you. Johanna says, I think
[1:35:13] Speaker 1: Dirk is about as conscious as the sun is. And
[1:35:16] Speaker 1: that is the case. But you know, at least Dirk
[1:35:18] Speaker 1: is nice. He doesn't want to execute apostates. And how
[1:35:22] Speaker 1: seventy says, I think Son is conscious. What about Urina?
[1:35:33] Speaker 1: That may may or may not be the case. Friend,
[1:35:35] Speaker 1: that may or may not be the case.
[1:35:38] Speaker 2: That's fantastic.
[1:35:42] Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, oh my gosh. All right, we're gonna
[1:35:43] Speaker 1: grab I said, we're gonna get pro Myth in here next.
[1:35:46] Speaker 1: So we'll get pro myth and then after that it's
[1:35:48] Speaker 1: gonna be it looks like g Q is coming up
[1:35:51] Speaker 1: after that. Friends, if your super chat hasn't been read yet,
[1:35:55] Speaker 1: don't worry. We're gonna read all super chats. If there's
[1:35:58] Speaker 1: any that we can't get between guess we'll get them
[1:36:00] Speaker 1: at the end of the show. And guys, Christina is
[1:36:04] Speaker 1: now over five hundred subby's, but we're trying to get
[1:36:06] Speaker 1: her over a thousand. We need her over one thousand
[1:36:09] Speaker 1: subbies tonight on her YouTube channel. For those who who
[1:36:12] Speaker 1: are watching on TikTok, her YouTube channel is at It's
[1:36:17] Speaker 1: Christina Underscore. I'm sorry, it's understore Christina Carroll. In fact,
[1:36:21] Speaker 1: I'll put it on the screen. This is what her
[1:36:23] Speaker 1: profile looks like. It's at It's Underscore Christina Carrol. So
[1:36:29] Speaker 1: very similar, almost identical to her TikTok user name, isn't
[1:36:31] Speaker 1: it Yeah, so you'll find her. Also, I linked the
[1:36:36] Speaker 1: description of this video how you can sub tour directly
[1:36:39] Speaker 1: using the link on the screen. So pro myth welcome in.
[1:36:44] Speaker 5: Hey, what's up guys?
[1:36:45] Speaker 1: Not too much promith. Are you at least eighteen? And
[1:36:48] Speaker 1: do you believe in God?
[1:36:49] Speaker 13: I'm very eighteen.
[1:36:50] Speaker 18: I'm very much older than eighteen.
[1:36:52] Speaker 13: Yes, forty something and well, see that's the thing.
[1:37:00] Speaker 20: It says, why should we believe in your God? So
[1:37:02] Speaker 20: I have a definition of God. I don't believe in
[1:37:04] Speaker 20: a certain kind of God, but I thought I had
[1:37:07] Speaker 20: an interesting perspective to share, if that's okay.
[1:37:12] Speaker 1: So, I mean, we'd love to hear your perspective, but
[1:37:15] Speaker 1: we do also want to hear an argument for why
[1:37:17] Speaker 1: your perspective is true. Course of course, yeah, okay, So
[1:37:21] Speaker 1: go ahead and go ahead and give us your perspective,
[1:37:24] Speaker 1: and then after that we want to hear why it's true.
[1:37:26] Speaker 1: And then while you're doing that, I apologize. I'm going
[1:37:29] Speaker 1: to use the restroom. I will hear everything you're saying.
[1:37:32] Speaker 1: My earbuds will beyond uh and Christina will probably be responding.
[1:37:38] Speaker 5: Okay, yeah, all right.
[1:37:39] Speaker 13: So this is what I believe. I think that.
[1:37:43] Speaker 20: The being or the quote unquote person that is looking
[1:37:46] Speaker 20: through my eyes right now, it's listening with my ears,
[1:37:50] Speaker 20: touching with my hands and my nerves, is the same
[1:37:53] Speaker 20: exact being that is looking out of your eyes and
[1:37:56] Speaker 20: listening with your ears and touching with your hands. And
[1:37:59] Speaker 20: that I believe eve, somebody like Jesus or our ancient
[1:38:03] Speaker 20: ancestors who could actually use their head. They referred to
[1:38:07] Speaker 20: this quote unquote person as God. I believe that Jesus
[1:38:12] Speaker 20: saw it that way and took that to mean that
[1:38:15] Speaker 20: no person or no living being is worth more or
[1:38:20] Speaker 20: less than any other living being, that we are all
[1:38:23] Speaker 20: just different versions of each other, and that there is
[1:38:27] Speaker 20: no you know, it doesn't matter how much wealth you have,
[1:38:29] Speaker 20: how good you are at a certain thing, you were
[1:38:32] Speaker 20: just another version of somebody else. And that's what God was.
[1:38:36] Speaker 20: And religion and where did your religion?
[1:38:41] Speaker 2: Are you saying that that's what Jesus's dance was?
[1:38:44] Speaker 20: Well, yeah, I believe that Jesus the reason why he
[1:38:47] Speaker 20: went to the poor and the suffering was because he
[1:38:49] Speaker 20: knew that they were just other versions of himself. He
[1:38:53] Speaker 20: was trying to help people who were having a difficult
[1:38:55] Speaker 20: go around in this one and he saw things like wealth,
[1:38:59] Speaker 20: which creates false idols like golden calfs. It gives people
[1:39:04] Speaker 20: the idea that they're worth more than other people, but
[1:39:06] Speaker 20: he knew that not to be true. I believe that
[1:39:09] Speaker 20: was the miracle that he actually loved people who condemned
[1:39:12] Speaker 20: him because he knew that they were blind and diluted.
[1:39:17] Speaker 13: I believe that.
[1:39:18] Speaker 20: That's what our actual ancestors referred to as God, and
[1:39:21] Speaker 20: it was twisted into what they called Antichrist.
[1:39:26] Speaker 13: It was twisted into something.
[1:39:27] Speaker 20: That they turned into a religion that became myths and superstitions,
[1:39:31] Speaker 20: that itself became a false idol to turn against people
[1:39:35] Speaker 20: and use to say that you are worth more than
[1:39:38] Speaker 20: someone else. Like calling yourself a Christian itself is using
[1:39:43] Speaker 20: the God's name in vain. Callowing yourself a Christian saying
[1:39:46] Speaker 20: you're part of a team is separating yourself from each other.
[1:39:51] Speaker 2: Well, but love it. Here's the thing, right, Jesus was
[1:39:53] Speaker 2: a supremacist. Let's just go ahead and knock that out
[1:39:55] Speaker 2: right there. Jesus had no qualms with making it abundant
[1:40:00] Speaker 2: clear that he came for the lost sheep of the
[1:40:02] Speaker 2: House of Israel. Right when the woman, when the Saraphenician
[1:40:06] Speaker 2: woman was running after him, trying to get help for
[1:40:09] Speaker 2: her daughter who was possessed with the spirit, he ignored her, right,
[1:40:13] Speaker 2: he ignored her completely, and to the point where the
[1:40:17] Speaker 2: disciples were saying, Jesus, send her away because she's screaming
[1:40:20] Speaker 2: behind us. They were annoyed. And that's what he said.
[1:40:24] Speaker 2: I came only for the lostship of the House of Israel.
[1:40:26] Speaker 2: She had to literally throw herself at his feet, be
[1:40:31] Speaker 2: okay with comparing herself to the likes of a dog,
[1:40:36] Speaker 2: excepting the scraps from the master's table, because he made
[1:40:40] Speaker 2: it clear that it wasn't even fair for him to
[1:40:42] Speaker 2: give what was meant for the Israelites to the dogs,
[1:40:46] Speaker 2: which is what he compared her to, right, And that
[1:40:49] Speaker 2: was the slur. That was a slur at that time
[1:40:51] Speaker 2: for non Israelites. Right. So Jesus was this kumbaya character
[1:40:56] Speaker 2: that all people that Christians liked to try and paint
[1:40:58] Speaker 2: him as he was that for the lights. He came
[1:41:02] Speaker 2: to join the Southern and Northern kingdoms. Right there is
[1:41:05] Speaker 2: the those Israelites that had been you know, ostracized or
[1:41:10] Speaker 2: outcast because they started intermingling with other nations in their gods.
[1:41:15] Speaker 2: But he didn't come for the gentiles.
[1:41:19] Speaker 13: Yeah.
[1:41:20] Speaker 20: Well, I mean, using the Bible to discredit the Bible
[1:41:23] Speaker 20: is probably just as good as using the Bible to
[1:41:25] Speaker 20: credit the Bible. Right, Like what the other hosts, Uh,
[1:41:29] Speaker 20: the other host said that it was created when like
[1:41:31] Speaker 20: eight hundred years ago.
[1:41:33] Speaker 13: You said the Bible was created eight hundred years ago.
[1:41:35] Speaker 1: You can't use the Bible to credit.
[1:41:39] Speaker 13: Yeah, you can't use you can't say that a story.
[1:41:43] Speaker 13: You can't use a story in the Bible itself to
[1:41:46] Speaker 13: say that. Well look, what is that just finished?
[1:41:50] Speaker 5: Real quick?
[1:41:51] Speaker 4: Go ahead.
[1:41:52] Speaker 20: What I believe the Bible is, like he said, it
[1:41:54] Speaker 20: was created not two thousand years ago. It created like
[1:41:57] Speaker 20: eight hundred years ago by politicians. They took something that
[1:42:01] Speaker 20: had the truth in it, because you can't create it
[1:42:03] Speaker 20: from nothing. It has to be propaganda, has to be
[1:42:06] Speaker 20: at least related to the truth, and they wrapped it
[1:42:08] Speaker 20: around propaganda. They took the truth and wrapped it all
[1:42:11] Speaker 20: up and added their own little stories.
[1:42:13] Speaker 13: We all know that that's what happened.
[1:42:15] Speaker 1: What's the evidence of that.
[1:42:18] Speaker 20: What's the evident evidence that the Bible isn't true and
[1:42:20] Speaker 20: that it's a lot of propaganda?
[1:42:22] Speaker 1: No, we we know it's not true. I'm asking the
[1:42:24] Speaker 1: evidence that they took something and changed it.
[1:42:28] Speaker 13: What do you mean you you said that.
[1:42:32] Speaker 1: That was your claim? He Hey, proth, I'm gonna meet
[1:42:36] Speaker 1: you if you don't stop talking over me. There you go,
[1:42:39] Speaker 1: all right, little baby. Okay, so you said that the Bible,
[1:42:43] Speaker 1: you said that the Bible was changed. That's what I'm
[1:42:47] Speaker 1: asking you for. I'm asking where's the evidence of the
[1:42:49] Speaker 1: Bible was changed?
[1:42:51] Speaker 13: Well, right now we're debating what's in the Bible.
[1:42:54] Speaker 20: If you think one hundred percent of the Bible is fiction,
[1:42:57] Speaker 20: what's the point in even debating it, what's the point
[1:43:00] Speaker 20: even talking about it?
[1:43:01] Speaker 1: That My question, and my question is what evidence do
[1:43:04] Speaker 1: you have that it was changed?
[1:43:08] Speaker 13: I don't even understand what that means.
[1:43:10] Speaker 1: I mean, you think it was that was your claim.
[1:43:13] Speaker 20: Yeah, King David changed the Bible, right, Constantine changed the Bible.
[1:43:16] Speaker 1: I'm asking for that. I'm asking for pro I'm asking
[1:43:21] Speaker 1: you for the evidence.
[1:43:22] Speaker 13: The evidence that King David changed the Bible. Yeah, this
[1:43:28] Speaker 13: is still a weird question. Of course they changed the Bible.
[1:43:30] Speaker 13: Of course, kings and queens used the Bible, Kings and queens.
[1:43:34] Speaker 13: Kings and queens.
[1:43:35] Speaker 20: Did kings and queens use the Bible to manipulate the masses?
[1:43:40] Speaker 2: Prove it by the evidence, sir.
[1:43:43] Speaker 13: Wow, this is this is very disingenuous. Prove it. Prove
[1:43:48] Speaker 13: that the Bible was used to manipulate the masses.
[1:43:50] Speaker 1: No, No, prove that it was changed. Change from what
[1:43:53] Speaker 1: from whatever you think they originally from the message.
[1:43:55] Speaker 20: Okay, I'll tell I could prove it easily two thousand
[1:43:58] Speaker 20: years ago.
[1:43:58] Speaker 13: Jesus's message was word of mouth. We know that for
[1:44:01] Speaker 13: a fact.
[1:44:01] Speaker 20: It was written down one hundred years after his life,
[1:44:04] Speaker 20: so it couldn't be word for word, verbatim. What Jesus
[1:44:09] Speaker 20: said was straight to the New Testament. It had to
[1:44:12] Speaker 20: have been changed over the last two thousand years, right.
[1:44:16] Speaker 1: You mean over the one hundred years before it was
[1:44:17] Speaker 1: written down. I think you're confusing your tacking point. Yes, okay, okay,
[1:44:22] Speaker 1: So how.
[1:44:23] Speaker 12: Do you know?
[1:44:24] Speaker 1: So how do you know what his original word of
[1:44:26] Speaker 1: mouth was? I don't okay, So do you don't know
[1:44:29] Speaker 1: if it has changed them? I mean to be.
[1:44:32] Speaker 20: Sure, to be sure, to be sure, I get it,
[1:44:37] Speaker 20: I get it.
[1:44:38] Speaker 1: To be sure. We agree that whatever Jesus spoke probably
[1:44:41] Speaker 1: isn't what's in the New Testament. We get that much.
[1:44:43] Speaker 1: But I'm showing you the folly of your position. The
[1:44:46] Speaker 1: folly of your position is you have no idea what
[1:44:48] Speaker 1: original is, whether it's oral or whether it's written. You
[1:44:51] Speaker 1: have no idea what the original is, which means your
[1:44:53] Speaker 1: claim that it was changed as stupid. You can never
[1:44:55] Speaker 1: demonstrate the validity of your claim. So again, you don't
[1:44:58] Speaker 1: even know what Jesus is original message is, which means
[1:45:02] Speaker 1: you don't know like whether or not your beliefs are
[1:45:05] Speaker 1: even true because your beliefs are based on the supposed
[1:45:08] Speaker 1: original message that was changed. But you don't know what
[1:45:11] Speaker 1: the original message is. So we're gonna need you to
[1:45:14] Speaker 1: find a way to validate how you know what the
[1:45:17] Speaker 1: original message is? Can you do that?
[1:45:21] Speaker 5: Yeah?
[1:45:21] Speaker 20: So wouldn't the same exact argument be made for Christina
[1:45:24] Speaker 20: saying he was a supremacist.
[1:45:27] Speaker 1: She's using the Bible, assuming that the Bible is like
[1:45:29] Speaker 1: saying things that Jesus actually said. But you already said
[1:45:32] Speaker 1: that you don't believe that to be the case.
[1:45:34] Speaker 13: I don't believe that he was a supremacist. I don't
[1:45:36] Speaker 13: believe he was a supremacist.
[1:45:38] Speaker 1: No, try this, tried to listen this time. You said,
[1:45:41] Speaker 1: you don't believe that what Jesus said is what was
[1:45:43] Speaker 1: written down, so it's irrelevant to you.
[1:45:45] Speaker 13: Of course not.
[1:45:46] Speaker 1: We're asking you, how do you know what Jesus said
[1:45:48] Speaker 1: at all?
[1:45:49] Speaker 13: Because you know that it wasn't written down.
[1:45:51] Speaker 1: So I asked you how.
[1:45:56] Speaker 13: Ow pro genuine?
[1:45:57] Speaker 1: But it's try this again, Okay, we don't care about
[1:46:00] Speaker 1: your crying. I asked you a very I asked you
[1:46:03] Speaker 1: a very easy question, which is, how do you know
[1:46:05] Speaker 1: what he said?
[1:46:09] Speaker 13: I didn't say he said anything?
[1:46:10] Speaker 1: Did I did Jesus say anything?
[1:46:13] Speaker 3: No?
[1:46:13] Speaker 13: Christina said that he said something. She told me specifically.
[1:46:16] Speaker 13: I didn't.
[1:46:18] Speaker 1: I didn't ask you if Christina said something. I said,
[1:46:20] Speaker 1: did Jesus say things?
[1:46:22] Speaker 4: Yes?
[1:46:23] Speaker 1: And how do you know what he said?
[1:46:25] Speaker 13: I'm going based off of what we've heard about him.
[1:46:29] Speaker 1: And where does that come from from the Bible?
[1:46:33] Speaker 13: From word of mouth?
[1:46:34] Speaker 1: Okay? And is the Bible true? You just said it
[1:46:36] Speaker 1: was changed? Okay? And how do you know which parts
[1:46:39] Speaker 1: were changing which parts weren't?
[1:46:41] Speaker 13: Well, the same way that I can parse Christina.
[1:46:44] Speaker 1: Is doing the vibe so you so you don't actually
[1:46:48] Speaker 1: have an answer. What do you have wrong to be sure?
[1:46:52] Speaker 1: How do you know I actually have a way of
[1:46:54] Speaker 1: knowing if Jesus said anything?
[1:46:56] Speaker 13: This is super disingenuousous.
[1:46:59] Speaker 1: This is that you can't actually grasp and baculous argument
[1:47:03] Speaker 1: is just sure, like no one can actually hear you
[1:47:06] Speaker 1: talking over me right now, My microphone is louder than yours.
[1:47:09] Speaker 13: Wow, you're so strong, dude. That is so strong.
[1:47:12] Speaker 1: Actually, you can speak so loudbody nobody has to like
[1:47:16] Speaker 1: talk over anybody. In fact, if you listen to any
[1:47:18] Speaker 1: of the we didn't have to actually do any of
[1:47:22] Speaker 1: this with our last couple of callers, because, as it
[1:47:24] Speaker 1: turns out, they were idiot and you're not. So they
[1:47:27] Speaker 1: had the idiots. The idiots knew how to have a
[1:47:30] Speaker 1: conversation pro myth. He's got it. The guy who doesn't
[1:47:33] Speaker 1: even know what Jesus said, he's got the answers.
[1:47:37] Speaker 13: Well, Christina said she knows what Christian said.
[1:47:39] Speaker 1: Well, you know, she didn't say that, she didn't know.
[1:47:44] Speaker 13: She just used it to say that he was at Jesus.
[1:47:48] Speaker 1: He made a statement about what the Bible says, Jesus says.
[1:47:51] Speaker 1: But you already said that you don't believe that Jesus
[1:47:55] Speaker 1: said those words. So what we're doing right now is
[1:47:57] Speaker 1: trying to figure out how you, as a human being,
[1:48:00] Speaker 1: what method are you using to know what Jesus did
[1:48:02] Speaker 1: actually say?
[1:48:04] Speaker 13: Well, I'm basing it off of what I think about Jesus.
[1:48:07] Speaker 13: And when people have to say, yeah, your Bible.
[1:48:09] Speaker 1: Said about Jesus, so you said vibes So you don't
[1:48:14] Speaker 1: think that the so.
[1:48:15] Speaker 13: To manipulates that it wasn't changed.
[1:48:18] Speaker 1: It was exactly when about Jesus. When the Bible says,
[1:48:22] Speaker 1: Jesus says the things? Did he say it?
[1:48:25] Speaker 20: Not all of them know because it was How do
[1:48:27] Speaker 20: you know which How do you know which ones?
[1:48:30] Speaker 1: How do you know based on what.
[1:48:31] Speaker 13: We consider him to be the type of person, let me.
[1:48:34] Speaker 1: Tell Vie he stopped talking over the type of person
[1:48:38] Speaker 1: who could forgive.
[1:48:39] Speaker 13: But that's the type of person.
[1:48:41] Speaker 1: If you talk louder, it'll make your It'll make your
[1:48:43] Speaker 1: argument more valuating.
[1:48:45] Speaker 13: Great, you're doing great.
[1:48:45] Speaker 1: Shout louder into the phone. It will make your argument better.
[1:48:49] Speaker 13: This is hilarious.
[1:48:50] Speaker 20: The type of person who could forgive somebody who's killing them,
[1:48:54] Speaker 20: who's putting them on the cross.
[1:48:55] Speaker 1: How do you know he did this?
[1:48:56] Speaker 20: And who has an unbelievable amount of empathy the same.
[1:49:02] Speaker 13: Christina knows?
[1:49:03] Speaker 1: You do you know that happened? How do you know
[1:49:04] Speaker 1: he said those words.
[1:49:07] Speaker 20: For the same reason that Christina said he was a
[1:49:09] Speaker 20: supremisistat reason.
[1:49:11] Speaker 1: So Christina is making an argument as an internal critique,
[1:49:14] Speaker 1: assuming that the words of the Bible are actually words
[1:49:17] Speaker 1: that Jesus spoke. You don't believe that to be the case,
[1:49:20] Speaker 1: So keep appealing to Christina's arguments, never going to win.
[1:49:23] Speaker 1: You're the one that said that the Bible doesn't actually
[1:49:26] Speaker 1: record Jesus's actual words. So what I'm trying to figure
[1:49:29] Speaker 1: out is, how do you know that he said anything?
[1:49:32] Speaker 1: What's your what's your level of evidence to know if
[1:49:36] Speaker 1: something Jesus claimed to have said is something he really said.
[1:49:40] Speaker 20: Well, the reason I'm saying what i'm saying is because
[1:49:43] Speaker 20: you're using what I said to critique myself about what
[1:49:47] Speaker 20: Jesus said. But you're not doing the same thing for
[1:49:49] Speaker 20: Christina at all. Your things. If what Christina said was
[1:49:53] Speaker 20: was an objective observation, but what I'm saying is not true,
[1:49:57] Speaker 20: I don't know that Jesus said it.
[1:50:00] Speaker 1: Again, you and you and christ To be sure, I'm
[1:50:03] Speaker 1: not debating Christina. We're debating you and your world is
[1:50:06] Speaker 1: the world view that actually matters? I know this is
[1:50:09] Speaker 1: a Crise session. So again, not we're trying to figure
[1:50:12] Speaker 1: out is what's your method for determining what Jesus said
[1:50:16] Speaker 1: is actually what he said? And remember, every time you
[1:50:19] Speaker 1: mentioned Christina, you're evading answering the question.
[1:50:22] Speaker 13: Okay, do you think that Jesus said that he turned
[1:50:25] Speaker 13: water into wine?
[1:50:27] Speaker 1: He didn't say that he did.
[1:50:29] Speaker 13: He didn't say that he did, or it's not, So
[1:50:32] Speaker 13: how do you know that he did it?
[1:50:33] Speaker 1: So it's I don't think he did. But to be sure,
[1:50:36] Speaker 1: it doesn't say that Jesus said he's doing it.
[1:50:38] Speaker 5: But this.
[1:50:40] Speaker 1: Is where words actually matter. I need you to pay
[1:50:42] Speaker 1: attention for five seconds. You said that Jesus said that
[1:50:46] Speaker 1: he turned water into wine, But Jesus didn't say that
[1:50:50] Speaker 1: the gospel author said that.
[1:50:52] Speaker 13: Yeah, but if I talk about it.
[1:50:53] Speaker 20: The reason I can talk about it is because it's
[1:50:55] Speaker 20: in the Bible, because we can use that just make
[1:50:57] Speaker 20: our arguments.
[1:50:59] Speaker 1: You said it wasn't true.
[1:51:01] Speaker 13: I didn't say, can't you Why are we able to
[1:51:04] Speaker 13: talk about said it was changed? Some things are changed?
[1:51:07] Speaker 1: Oh how do you know which ones were changed?
[1:51:09] Speaker 13: Based on the type of person that Jesus must have been?
[1:51:12] Speaker 1: But how do you know what promises? But how do
[1:51:14] Speaker 1: you know what type of person he was?
[1:51:17] Speaker 13: That's one of the dumbest things.
[1:51:19] Speaker 1: Are really stable. Jesus is a very He's a very
[1:51:23] Speaker 1: stable Christian. I can tell. So problem is that you
[1:51:26] Speaker 1: still haven't answered a question. How do you know when
[1:51:28] Speaker 1: the Bible says Jesus did or said anything that that
[1:51:31] Speaker 1: actually happened or if that's something that was changed or
[1:51:34] Speaker 1: added in later.
[1:51:35] Speaker 13: Well, considering that we're sitting here debating what Christianity is
[1:51:40] Speaker 13: or it isn't, it has to be based on the
[1:51:43] Speaker 13: main text that is talking about what Christianity is or isn't.
[1:51:48] Speaker 1: Was the main text changed?
[1:51:50] Speaker 5: Yes?
[1:51:51] Speaker 1: Okay, so how do you know which? I'm still waiting
[1:51:55] Speaker 1: for the answer.
[1:51:55] Speaker 2: We can go on.
[1:51:58] Speaker 1: Because eventually you're eventually you're gonna give me an actual
[1:52:02] Speaker 1: answer that's not circular. Try this again, should I want?
[1:52:09] Speaker 3: So?
[1:52:09] Speaker 1: What I want you to do is give me a method.
[1:52:11] Speaker 1: I need a method for how you're determining when Jesus
[1:52:15] Speaker 1: did or said something in the Bible that that's true
[1:52:17] Speaker 1: or if that's been changed. What's your method?
[1:52:21] Speaker 13: This is so disingenuous.
[1:52:23] Speaker 1: He can't.
[1:52:24] Speaker 13: He doesn't.
[1:52:26] Speaker 8: Vibes.
[1:52:26] Speaker 13: You're a child.
[1:52:28] Speaker 1: I've always got his vibes.
[1:52:30] Speaker 12: I like es.
[1:52:32] Speaker 1: The part that I like is the stuff that's true.
[1:52:34] Speaker 1: The part I don't like that's the stuff that was changed.
[1:52:37] Speaker 13: I feel like Christianity.
[1:52:40] Speaker 2: He's not even engaged in the conversation.
[1:52:42] Speaker 11: He's just like.
[1:52:45] Speaker 2: Right answering any of the questions that are being positive
[1:52:49] Speaker 2: to you. You're just crying waste time.
[1:52:52] Speaker 1: Yeah, he Actually he doesn't even know where he's at.
[1:52:54] Speaker 1: He's so lost in his circular argument that he's getting dizzy.
[1:52:57] Speaker 1: He's gone in so many circles that the is like
[1:53:00] Speaker 1: the stars. It's like Looney Tunes. The stars are dancing
[1:53:03] Speaker 1: around his head right now. He has no idea even
[1:53:06] Speaker 1: what's happening. You can continue crashing out and shouting at
[1:53:10] Speaker 1: your phone though it's really entertaining. In fact, I'm going
[1:53:13] Speaker 1: to open up my I'm going to open up my
[1:53:18] Speaker 1: what is today's day? Today's the third?
[1:53:22] Speaker 4: This is.
[1:53:24] Speaker 2: You asked the very uh you are? I don't know.
[1:53:28] Speaker 13: You're pretending it was a question. It's a good question.
[1:53:31] Speaker 2: How can I.
[1:53:34] Speaker 1: Yeah, sorry, I couldn't hear you because the baby was shouting.
[1:53:38] Speaker 2: The baby was twying. I was asking you just plugging
[1:53:41] Speaker 2: my other mic. I don't know if I should plug
[1:53:43] Speaker 2: an I.
[1:53:44] Speaker 1: Mean, if you're plugging your other mic, it may or
[1:53:47] Speaker 1: may not be louder. I've got your microphone right now
[1:53:50] Speaker 1: from your laptop turned up to like four hundred percent
[1:53:52] Speaker 1: because it's kind of quiet period.
[1:53:55] Speaker 2: So let's go ahead and try and fix that so
[1:53:58] Speaker 2: they can hear me and I'm not blowing your ears emotion.
[1:54:02] Speaker 3: Dam it.
[1:54:03] Speaker 1: Yeah, prom is having a tough night.
[1:54:06] Speaker 13: This is really difficult for me. Yeah, you've asked one
[1:54:12] Speaker 13: question for the last half hour.
[1:54:14] Speaker 1: Yeah, I know. If you'd answer it, we'd actually move on,
[1:54:18] Speaker 1: if you know, if you'd answer Jesus right or wrong.
[1:54:23] Speaker 1: That's not that's not that's not what I asked. That's
[1:54:26] Speaker 1: not all what I asked. So we'll try this again
[1:54:29] Speaker 1: for for everyone who's actually listening, which clearly isn't you.
[1:54:32] Speaker 13: Again, it's what waring.
[1:54:34] Speaker 1: Don't try the method are you using. Don't try to
[1:54:38] Speaker 1: the parts of the Bible that are true and the
[1:54:39] Speaker 1: parts of the Bible that are changed.
[1:54:41] Speaker 20: Well, we're not trying to understand the veracity of what
[1:54:44] Speaker 20: Jesus said and didn't say. We're just talking about who
[1:54:47] Speaker 20: the person Jesus was. And she called him a supremacist,
[1:54:50] Speaker 20: and I said he wasn't. But somehow my argument isn't
[1:54:53] Speaker 20: right because I don't know what was right and wrong
[1:54:55] Speaker 20: in the Bible, but hers is because she read it
[1:54:57] Speaker 20: from the Bible.
[1:54:59] Speaker 1: Again, I didn't say that to be the case. I'm
[1:55:01] Speaker 1: asking you about your view. So I'm still so, I'm
[1:55:04] Speaker 1: still trying to figure out. I'm still trying to hold on.
[1:55:09] Speaker 1: I'm still trying to figure out what method, what method, what?
[1:55:13] Speaker 7: Why?
[1:55:14] Speaker 1: He's really doing Christ's work there, He really.
[1:55:17] Speaker 2: Got us something about the names that begin with home myth.
[1:55:21] Speaker 2: They just lose it.
[1:55:23] Speaker 1: I know, right well you saw it here, guys.
[1:55:28] Speaker 9: It's it's a it's worse.
[1:55:31] Speaker 1: I think it's better. I think it's clear. I don't
[1:55:33] Speaker 1: think it's louder though, Oh dang, it's it's definitely more clear, though, Okay, cool?
[1:55:40] Speaker 1: Is she loud enough?
[1:55:41] Speaker 5: I can?
[1:55:42] Speaker 1: I can turn her up louder if we need to
[1:55:43] Speaker 1: turn up louder though, I.
[1:55:44] Speaker 2: Mean I had four hundred.
[1:55:51] Speaker 1: Yeah, they said louder.
[1:55:53] Speaker 2: Five times louder. Lord, I don't know what to do, y'all.
[1:55:58] Speaker 2: I'm trying my best here.
[1:56:00] Speaker 1: We got it cranked up though. Actually there's less background
[1:56:02] Speaker 1: noise with that mic that Mike's got the background noise
[1:56:06] Speaker 1: turned down, which.
[1:56:06] Speaker 2: Is nice period.
[1:56:10] Speaker 1: P K says, justin your mic is just so loud
[1:56:15] Speaker 1: and compared in comparison to Christine's. Oh not, Now, could
[1:56:18] Speaker 1: my cat just turn it down?
[1:56:20] Speaker 2: As justice for me?
[1:56:26] Speaker 4: About that?
[1:56:28] Speaker 1: I'll turn it down. Unfortunately, I don't have a method
[1:56:30] Speaker 1: for turning down the TikTok guests, like, when they come
[1:56:33] Speaker 1: in here, I can move it away from my face
[1:56:35] Speaker 1: if that's better. I don't have a method unfortunately, for
[1:56:39] Speaker 1: when the TikTok guests come in here and they're like
[1:56:41] Speaker 1: screaming one hundred decibels into their phone, there's there's no
[1:56:45] Speaker 1: method inside of TikTok to turn them down. Unfortunately. That's
[1:56:50] Speaker 1: just the case. We can do it on YouTube, though.
[1:56:52] Speaker 1: When we have guests on YouTube, you can turn them down.
[1:56:55] Speaker 1: Let me grab a couple uh super chats and we're
[1:56:57] Speaker 1: gonna get GQ into the next Also, while we're reading
[1:57:02] Speaker 1: these superchype friends, make sure you're subscribing to Christina's YouTube channel.
[1:57:06] Speaker 1: There's a link in the description of the video. We're
[1:57:08] Speaker 1: at six sixty five. We're one shy of six sixty six.
[1:57:12] Speaker 1: We need to get over one thousand tonight, so make
[1:57:14] Speaker 1: sure we get her over the hump. Drew, thank you
[1:57:17] Speaker 1: for the twenty dollars super time. My friend says, so
[1:57:19] Speaker 1: he's read nothing about the Big Bang. Oh yeah, well
[1:57:22] Speaker 1: that is obviously the case. Yeah, when they say that
[1:57:25] Speaker 1: that something came from nothing or nothing came from nothing,
[1:57:28] Speaker 1: you know that they have literally no idea what the
[1:57:30] Speaker 1: Big Bang is even as positing and Carissa, great to
[1:57:34] Speaker 1: see you. Thank you for sending out ten Deconstruction Zone
[1:57:37] Speaker 1: gifted memberships. I super appreciate that, friend, and Raith is
[1:57:41] Speaker 1: with us as well tonight, Ray says Christina given out
[1:57:43] Speaker 1: quite a few wins tonight as always. Does she have
[1:57:46] Speaker 1: her own channels? She does, friends, Yes, she has her
[1:57:50] Speaker 1: own channel on YouTube and on TikTok. If you're watching
[1:57:54] Speaker 1: on YouTube right now, you can go to the description
[1:57:56] Speaker 1: of this video and find a link to her channel.
[1:57:59] Speaker 1: We would love to visit and support. Yes, indeed, please
[1:58:02] Speaker 1: visit her channel and subscribe. We got to get over
[1:58:05] Speaker 1: one thousand tonights tonight. We're gonna make it happen. And
[1:58:08] Speaker 1: night Man says, is this that Rob? It was that Rob?
[1:58:11] Speaker 1: He changed his PfP thinking he gets slide by, but
[1:58:13] Speaker 1: I recognize his voice as in the dude that comes
[1:58:16] Speaker 1: up and crashes out all the time. Yep, that's the one. Yeah,
[1:58:19] Speaker 1: that's the same Rob. No Co, good to see you.
[1:58:22] Speaker 1: Thank you for sending out ten DZ Debate memberships. Totally
[1:58:25] Speaker 1: totally appreciate that. My friend big w and Dan sent
[1:58:28] Speaker 1: out five more DZ Debate memberships. Thank you so much,
[1:58:31] Speaker 1: Dan and Carlos in the house with another ten DZ
[1:58:35] Speaker 1: debate gifted memberships. That is huge, Carlos, and I hope
[1:58:38] Speaker 1: you're fully recovered now. I'm not sure where you're at
[1:58:40] Speaker 1: now in your recovery, but we're thinking about you and
[1:58:43] Speaker 1: we're hoping you're rock hard for Doug Cameron, great to
[1:58:46] Speaker 1: see you, my friend. Thank you for the twenty hours Supertizyes, hello,
[1:58:48] Speaker 1: justin Christina, Welcome to DZ Studio. Love and we love MS.
[1:58:54] Speaker 1: We love MS too, Christina. This is our first time
[1:58:57] Speaker 1: with DZ, but we're gonna have a blast. Tonight's going
[1:59:00] Speaker 1: to be really fun. Mandy, thank you for the twenty
[1:59:03] Speaker 1: our supertests. It is sad why any woman believes in
[1:59:05] Speaker 1: any religion man made and consider women's second class. Mom
[1:59:10] Speaker 1: asked a priest two questions he can't answer. Can she
[1:59:13] Speaker 1: run for? Can she run for a pope as a woman?
[1:59:16] Speaker 1: And how come the Last Supper all men? Always wonderful work,
[1:59:19] Speaker 1: heil Doug. Yes, Mandy. As we've discussed here, these religions
[1:59:23] Speaker 1: are all super patriarchical and repressive towards women, and that's
[1:59:28] Speaker 1: one of the reasons why, like, if you're a woman,
[1:59:30] Speaker 1: I don't know how you follow these religions. I'll never
[1:59:32] Speaker 1: understand it. And last super chat for now from our
[1:59:35] Speaker 1: friend Susie. Great to see you, my friend. Thank you
[1:59:37] Speaker 1: for the supertest, says as a licensed esthetician, I wanted
[1:59:40] Speaker 1: to ask Christina if using a high SPF sunscreen and
[1:59:44] Speaker 1: a UV blocking window film in your car is helpful.
[1:59:47] Speaker 1: Thanks Justin for bringing Christina on the show. She's lovely.
[1:59:50] Speaker 1: She is lovely.
[1:59:51] Speaker 9: What do you say?
[1:59:53] Speaker 2: I use SPF thirty even when it's cloudy out and
[1:59:56] Speaker 2: I stay in my room.
[1:59:57] Speaker 1: Oh damn, I'm a hermit.
[2:00:00] Speaker 2: I don't leave my house much, but when I do
[2:00:03] Speaker 2: leave my house, I lather up on sunscreen and all
[2:00:06] Speaker 2: what I have to.
[2:00:08] Speaker 1: I have to do the same for obvious reasons. But
[2:00:11] Speaker 1: what are you gonna do? All right, let's get GQ
[2:00:16] Speaker 1: in here. GQ, welcome to Deconstruction Zone. Are you at
[2:00:22] Speaker 1: least eighteen? And do you believe in God?
[2:00:28] Speaker 5: Oh?
[2:00:28] Speaker 1: GQ, your mic sounds crazy? What's going on over there?
[2:00:35] Speaker 1: Hold on, hold on, I gotta switch your mic out.
[2:00:37] Speaker 1: We're gonna switch.
[2:00:39] Speaker 2: Little of turning from a semi a semi truck to
[2:00:43] Speaker 2: an autobot.
[2:00:45] Speaker 9: Yeah, that's craz transformation.
[2:00:48] Speaker 1: So it shows that you're using the wireless earbuds, the
[2:00:52] Speaker 1: Walmart in House version, the O n N version, which,
[2:00:54] Speaker 1: trust me, I love those earbuds. They're fantastic, but yours
[2:00:58] Speaker 1: are obviously malfunctioning. So you're gonna want to turn those
[2:01:01] Speaker 1: earbuds off and use your built in microphone on your
[2:01:03] Speaker 1: iPhone because it sounded like something demonic was coming out
[2:01:09] Speaker 1: of your your mic?
[2:01:11] Speaker 18: Can you guys hear right now?
[2:01:12] Speaker 1: Yeah, we can hear you now?
[2:01:15] Speaker 18: All right, Sorry about that, sir?
[2:01:17] Speaker 4: Enough?
[2:01:18] Speaker 18: So, yes, I'm over eighteen, and yes I believe.
[2:01:20] Speaker 1: In God, awesome? And which God do you believe in?
[2:01:25] Speaker 11: Jesus?
[2:01:26] Speaker 18: I'm a Christian?
[2:01:27] Speaker 1: Awesome? Why should Christina and I believe in the Christian God?
[2:01:34] Speaker 18: Well, let me first by asking you guys a question.
[2:01:36] Speaker 18: You guys are atheists, right.
[2:01:38] Speaker 1: Yes, we're atheists, yeah, so why should I would we
[2:01:41] Speaker 1: believe in your garden?
[2:01:43] Speaker 4: All right?
[2:01:44] Speaker 18: I would say, because you can't. Actually, so earlier you
[2:01:47] Speaker 18: guys were talking about how you can't believe why a
[2:01:51] Speaker 18: woman would join a patriarch or religion, or when you're
[2:01:53] Speaker 18: asking simon what like, essentially implying it's wrong to moral
[2:02:02] Speaker 18: argument people for apostave yeah. Yeah, I mean I would say,
[2:02:05] Speaker 18: from an atheist world view, you can't actually make moral
[2:02:08] Speaker 18: art claims that objectively Yeah.
[2:02:11] Speaker 1: Yeah, neither can you.
[2:02:14] Speaker 18: I can, because no, you can't.
[2:02:17] Speaker 1: So, Gigi, you don't believe in objective morals. You only
[2:02:20] Speaker 1: think that you do. Do you want to go ahead
[2:02:23] Speaker 1: and give us the argument for why you think objective
[2:02:25] Speaker 1: morals exist and will show you why it doesn't work.
[2:02:28] Speaker 18: Well, I would use the tag argument to justify the
[2:02:31] Speaker 18: existence of God. I would say, logic and knowledge.
[2:02:33] Speaker 1: Okay, So the moral argument is not the tag argument
[2:02:36] Speaker 1: you got. You gotta pick one. You can't run them both.
[2:02:40] Speaker 18: So can you explain to me why it's morally wrong?
[2:02:42] Speaker 5: Did you?
[2:02:43] Speaker 1: Okay, so you want to do the moral argument? Okay.
[2:02:45] Speaker 1: So I don't believe in objective morals. I believe in
[2:02:47] Speaker 1: subjective morals, which means my moral framework is dependent on
[2:02:53] Speaker 1: like what I use as my measuring tool. So my
[2:02:56] Speaker 1: measuring tool is basically do as little harm and as
[2:02:59] Speaker 1: most good as possible, or you might define it as
[2:03:01] Speaker 1: well being. So, but that being said, the reason why
[2:03:05] Speaker 1: I have an atheistic moral framework is because, like I
[2:03:11] Speaker 1: don't need objective morals to develop a framework. Now you
[2:03:14] Speaker 1: might not like my framework. You might say, listen, I
[2:03:16] Speaker 1: don't like this because here are the shortcomings. But the
[2:03:19] Speaker 1: reality is, until you can demonstrate that there are in
[2:03:22] Speaker 1: fact objective morals you're disdained for, subjective morals are irrelevant.
[2:03:28] Speaker 18: I can justify objective morals. Yeah, well, I would just
[2:03:35] Speaker 18: say that it doesn't make any kind of coherence sense
[2:03:38] Speaker 18: to make a moral claim if they're If morality is
[2:03:40] Speaker 18: completely subjective, it would just be your brain chemicals telling
[2:03:44] Speaker 18: you that that is wrong, right, I.
[2:03:46] Speaker 1: Agree, Yeah, so that's subjective morals, Like our brains are
[2:03:50] Speaker 1: coming to the conclusion of what we think is right
[2:03:53] Speaker 1: and wrong, and that's the best we can do. Until
[2:03:56] Speaker 1: you can demonstrate that objective morals exist, and you can
[2:03:59] Speaker 1: show us where the subjective morals are, then it's an
[2:04:02] Speaker 1: irrelevant talking point.
[2:04:04] Speaker 18: I don't think so. I would say that it's incoherent
[2:04:07] Speaker 18: to make any sort of moral claim if morality is
[2:04:09] Speaker 18: completely subjective, Like.
[2:04:10] Speaker 11: You're just.
[2:04:12] Speaker 1: G G, what's the what what's the best color?
[2:04:18] Speaker 18: It's completely subjective to anybody.
[2:04:20] Speaker 1: I know, yeah, what's the best color?
[2:04:24] Speaker 3: To me?
[2:04:24] Speaker 18: It would be blue?
[2:04:25] Speaker 1: Fantastic. Okay, So even though it's completely subjective, you have
[2:04:29] Speaker 1: an opinion on what the.
[2:04:30] Speaker 18: Best color is, but it has nothing to do with
[2:04:33] Speaker 18: a moral yellow.
[2:04:34] Speaker 1: It is dope. I'm asking about a moral claim we're
[2:04:37] Speaker 1: talking about we're talking about making claims that are not objective.
[2:04:40] Speaker 1: So in your brain, you're using your subjective thinking to
[2:04:44] Speaker 1: come to the conclusion that your favorite color is your
[2:04:47] Speaker 1: favorite color, and I'm going to come to the conclusion
[2:04:49] Speaker 1: that blue is a favorite color. So when we make
[2:04:51] Speaker 1: moral claims, we're not saying that this is the objective case.
[2:04:55] Speaker 1: We're saying that this is our case subjectively. And we
[2:04:59] Speaker 1: find it absurd that there would be a god that
[2:05:02] Speaker 1: thinks that, I don't know, slavery was okay, murdering babies
[2:05:05] Speaker 1: is okay, different things like that. We understand that that
[2:05:08] Speaker 1: is a subjective opinion. But again, until you can demonstrate
[2:05:13] Speaker 1: that objective morals exist, doesn't matter. All you have is
[2:05:16] Speaker 1: subjective morals.
[2:05:18] Speaker 18: Maybe that's true, but I would say that any of
[2:05:20] Speaker 18: your objective, any of the subjective moral claims you're making,
[2:05:24] Speaker 18: you have no reason to believe. Well, yes we do, yes,
[2:05:28] Speaker 18: Why what's.
[2:05:30] Speaker 2: Because we don't want to cause unnecessary and undue harm
[2:05:34] Speaker 2: to people, right, But.
[2:05:35] Speaker 18: That's just your subjective opinion.
[2:05:37] Speaker 13: That's why.
[2:05:39] Speaker 1: That's all we have.
[2:05:41] Speaker 18: Objective. That's just your subjective opinion.
[2:05:43] Speaker 2: That is all we have. Belove it.
[2:05:47] Speaker 9: That doesn't okay, So so then we should We shouldn't.
[2:05:51] Speaker 1: So people who don't believe in objective morals, we shouldn't
[2:05:53] Speaker 1: have any morals. We should just go around killing babies
[2:05:55] Speaker 1: and things.
[2:05:56] Speaker 18: No, I didn't around killing babies.
[2:05:58] Speaker 1: Oh okay, So you would prefer us to develop our
[2:06:00] Speaker 1: own moral framework, wouldn't you.
[2:06:02] Speaker 18: No, I'm saying you have no reason to believe.
[2:06:04] Speaker 1: Okay, so you don't want us to have a moral framework.
[2:06:07] Speaker 1: We're trying to figure out what what you actually want
[2:06:09] Speaker 1: from people who believe in subjective morals? Should we should
[2:06:12] Speaker 1: we have a moral framework or not?
[2:06:14] Speaker 18: If you're atheist, is it's incoherence?
[2:06:17] Speaker 1: I'm asking you. If you're asking if you want us to.
[2:06:22] Speaker 18: I would say I would want you to be a
[2:06:23] Speaker 18: Christian and have a Christian moral frame.
[2:06:25] Speaker 2: And the question your Christian moral framework is subjective. Your
[2:06:31] Speaker 2: God's from God's morality is not objective, not.
[2:06:36] Speaker 18: From my starting point, starting point, it does make it objective.
[2:06:40] Speaker 2: Your God's morality is subjective. His laws are not the same,
[2:06:44] Speaker 2: and they're not consistent throughout he does. He gives commands
[2:06:48] Speaker 2: and then he goes against his very own commands when
[2:06:50] Speaker 2: it's convenient for him. You cannot say that he's objective
[2:06:54] Speaker 2: and then say that he is subjective in his adherence
[2:06:58] Speaker 2: to his own standard.
[2:06:59] Speaker 18: If it's his universe, they would be objective because it's objective.
[2:07:03] Speaker 2: Are very subjective.
[2:07:05] Speaker 18: It would be our subjective opinion, but it wouldn't be.
[2:07:07] Speaker 18: It's no different than like a guy that creates a
[2:07:11] Speaker 18: video game and he gets to decide the rules of
[2:07:13] Speaker 18: the video game. It can change it, maybe put it.
[2:07:15] Speaker 1: In a gee. I think the I think the problem
[2:07:18] Speaker 1: that you're coming up with is you don't know what
[2:07:19] Speaker 1: the word subjective means, and I do so. No, it
[2:07:25] Speaker 1: means it's mind dependent. So if something is mind dependent,
[2:07:29] Speaker 1: then it's dependent on God's mind. That makes it subjective.
[2:07:32] Speaker 1: It's subject to God's mind. That's why Christine is telling
[2:07:34] Speaker 1: you you still have subjective morals.
[2:07:37] Speaker 18: Well, logic can't even exist.
[2:07:40] Speaker 8: Pivot.
[2:07:40] Speaker 1: Oh no, pivot, pivot, he got me pivot. Okay, So
[2:07:46] Speaker 1: so we'll try this again. If if morals are dependent
[2:07:49] Speaker 1: on God's mind, then you have subjective morals too, right, My.
[2:07:55] Speaker 18: Morals would be I would be doing what God commands
[2:07:57] Speaker 18: me to do. Okay, so they would be Yeah, I
[2:08:00] Speaker 18: would subjectively choose them because I'm choosing to God.
[2:08:04] Speaker 1: But if the Christians, then you have not objective morals.
[2:08:07] Speaker 1: You have divine command theory. Commit sure, probably, yeah, fantastic. Okay,
[2:08:16] Speaker 1: now we're finally getting somewhere. Christina's right. You have subjective morals,
[2:08:19] Speaker 1: you'd believe in divine command theory, not objective morals. Now
[2:08:23] Speaker 1: why why should why you don't? You don't have you
[2:08:28] Speaker 1: don't have objective morals, so you can't make objective moral claims.
[2:08:30] Speaker 18: No, no, I'm saying, I haven't a basis to even
[2:08:32] Speaker 18: have moral claims to begin with. You guys do not your.
[2:08:36] Speaker 2: Quote unquote objective moral claims are subjective. Like it's like,
[2:08:40] Speaker 2: how do you do that? I don't understand.
[2:08:43] Speaker 18: Asked you why it's wrong to live somebody for apostasy
[2:08:46] Speaker 18: like what Simon was saying, and you just said, because
[2:08:48] Speaker 18: we don't want to harm people. But that's subjective.
[2:08:51] Speaker 1: And we're gonna we're gonna get there, Gig, We're going
[2:08:54] Speaker 1: to get there. I know you keep saying it, and
[2:08:57] Speaker 1: it's never it's never gonna land you can say it
[2:08:59] Speaker 1: one hundred times. It's never in land because everyone here
[2:09:01] Speaker 1: knows what this conversation is heading. We've had it four
[2:09:03] Speaker 1: thousand times before. So again, we're not making objective moral claims,
[2:09:07] Speaker 1: and we've already come to the conclusion via Christine's questioning,
[2:09:11] Speaker 1: that you don't have objective morals either. So you have
[2:09:14] Speaker 1: subjective morals and we have subjective morals. The next question
[2:09:18] Speaker 1: is why should we care about the morals that your
[2:09:21] Speaker 1: God gives?
[2:09:24] Speaker 18: Because they makes sense and they actually once you have it,
[2:09:28] Speaker 18: you can have a moral framework that is coherent and
[2:09:30] Speaker 18: logically consistent from the starting point.
[2:09:32] Speaker 1: So you, guys, we should follow your God's morals. No,
[2:09:36] Speaker 1: because you said too, I've already said two things, said
[2:09:40] Speaker 1: two things. So you said that we should follow your
[2:09:42] Speaker 1: God's morals because they make sense. That's subjective.
[2:09:47] Speaker 18: Well, now I was gonna finish it with the sentence
[2:09:50] Speaker 18: that I have a starting point to make moral claims
[2:09:53] Speaker 18: to begin with, where you guys don't have.
[2:09:54] Speaker 1: A You have a subjective starting point, don't you. Yeah,
[2:09:58] Speaker 1: and you guys have Okay, So then so then the
[2:10:01] Speaker 1: next question still never got answered, which is why should
[2:10:04] Speaker 1: we care about your subjective morals?
[2:10:08] Speaker 18: Why should I care about your subjective morals?
[2:10:12] Speaker 1: We're not saying you have to, but we are saying
[2:10:13] Speaker 1: you have to answer the question why should we care
[2:10:17] Speaker 1: about your subjective morals?
[2:10:20] Speaker 18: Why ought I care about yours?
[2:10:22] Speaker 1: We're not asking that question. He's a coward. He can
[2:10:25] Speaker 1: answer the question gg or We're still waiting for an
[2:10:28] Speaker 1: answer the question why should we care about your subjective morals?
[2:10:35] Speaker 18: Because the starting point that I'm starting with makes the
[2:10:39] Speaker 18: entire thing logically consistent, And your guys, is does that's subjective?
[2:10:42] Speaker 4: That's why?
[2:10:43] Speaker 18: Because subjective?
[2:10:45] Speaker 13: Again?
[2:10:46] Speaker 1: No, so, so we'll try so, we'll try this again.
[2:10:50] Speaker 1: You've already you've already admitted that it's subjective. What we're
[2:10:53] Speaker 1: trying to figure out is why should anyone prefer the
[2:10:56] Speaker 1: claims of your subjective morals versus any otherbjective morals?
[2:11:01] Speaker 18: And I'm trying to answer it so because it's it's
[2:11:04] Speaker 18: not that you should accept this one, but you guys,
[2:11:06] Speaker 18: the ones you guys have don't doesn't have a starting
[2:11:09] Speaker 18: point to make them at all.
[2:11:12] Speaker 1: The starting points you're relevant. You have subjective morals, we
[2:11:15] Speaker 1: have subjective morals. We're asking why should we care about
[2:11:18] Speaker 1: your subjective morals?
[2:11:22] Speaker 18: I mean you're I guess you're not getting I mean
[2:11:24] Speaker 18: the starting point.
[2:11:25] Speaker 1: I mean, I mean the problem. No, why why should
[2:11:28] Speaker 1: we care about your starting point?
[2:11:31] Speaker 18: Because it makes the entire philosophy of morals makes logical sense?
[2:11:35] Speaker 1: It doesn't. How do you know that God's commands are good?
[2:11:41] Speaker 18: To love your neighbor as yourself?
[2:11:43] Speaker 2: No, no, don't do that. Don't do that. Don't don't
[2:11:46] Speaker 2: do that. Don't run to the New Testament? Friend? How
[2:11:49] Speaker 2: do you know that God's commands are good?
[2:11:53] Speaker 18: Is that not a good?
[2:11:55] Speaker 1: We're not asking you to articulate the command?
[2:11:57] Speaker 3: Do you like?
[2:11:57] Speaker 1: We're asking you to say, how do you know? What's
[2:11:59] Speaker 1: the problem? Says for knowing if God's commands are good?
[2:12:03] Speaker 18: How do I know they're good?
[2:12:09] Speaker 4: Because?
[2:12:10] Speaker 18: I mean, we all have a sense of right and
[2:12:11] Speaker 18: wrong inside of us. Correct, how you're.
[2:12:12] Speaker 1: Subjective as fuck?
[2:12:14] Speaker 2: Do you know your God's commands are good?
[2:12:21] Speaker 18: How do you, guys make any moral claims?
[2:12:23] Speaker 2: All answer the question at all?
[2:12:24] Speaker 1: I mean, he was going to run. He can't do it, Christine,
[2:12:30] Speaker 1: He's terrified.
[2:12:31] Speaker 18: But I just want to ask you guys some questions.
[2:12:32] Speaker 2: I mean, of course i'd be terrified too if I
[2:12:36] Speaker 2: if my whole stance was that God's uh, this God
[2:12:39] Speaker 2: is a moral somehow, and his standard, his morality is
[2:12:43] Speaker 2: based off of this God's standard, and knowing that if
[2:12:46] Speaker 2: he posits that, he also has to agree that when
[2:12:49] Speaker 2: the God lays out the rules for enslaving foreigners, that
[2:12:53] Speaker 2: he has to agree with that.
[2:12:55] Speaker 18: So I'm just saying moral claims don't make sense in
[2:12:57] Speaker 18: a godless world. So you guys can't Actually.
[2:13:00] Speaker 1: You're going you cannot address her again, But I'm going
[2:13:03] Speaker 1: to keep redirecting you every time you don't actually address
[2:13:06] Speaker 1: the argument, I'm going to redirect you.
[2:13:07] Speaker 18: Are you guys going to address.
[2:13:10] Speaker 1: You haven't given an argument. We're still trying to get
[2:13:13] Speaker 1: the first argument, and no one cares about your question.
[2:13:15] Speaker 1: We're actually we already explained to you we don't have
[2:13:18] Speaker 1: a god. We have subjective morals. So to you, we're
[2:13:21] Speaker 1: trying to figure out why your subjective morals are somehow
[2:13:24] Speaker 1: more important. So, for example, when when there was a
[2:13:28] Speaker 1: fight for liberation, when there was a fight for the
[2:13:31] Speaker 1: liberation of slaves in America, what could we have pointed
[2:13:34] Speaker 1: to in the Bible to demonstrate that that fight should
[2:13:38] Speaker 1: have been either from the north or the south. On
[2:13:41] Speaker 1: victory because it turns out both the North and the
[2:13:44] Speaker 1: South were claiming the Bible as evidence for their position.
[2:13:48] Speaker 1: Which one was right?
[2:13:51] Speaker 9: The North?
[2:13:52] Speaker 13: Why?
[2:13:53] Speaker 1: Why were they right?
[2:13:55] Speaker 18: Because Jesus doesn't condone slavery.
[2:13:57] Speaker 1: False false, that's not fa it's false Choseph verse where
[2:14:02] Speaker 1: it says that Jesus said to free your slaves.
[2:14:06] Speaker 18: He doesn't explicitly say to free your slaves. Okay, is
[2:14:09] Speaker 18: Jesus God is loving your neighbor having a slave?
[2:14:14] Speaker 2: Is your neighbors? There was a property?
[2:14:16] Speaker 18: Yep, your neighbor refers to all of us.
[2:14:20] Speaker 2: Right.
[2:14:20] Speaker 1: False?
[2:14:21] Speaker 18: No, that's not true.
[2:14:23] Speaker 1: So we'll explain it to gg. You can't believe it.
[2:14:25] Speaker 12: Wrong.
[2:14:26] Speaker 1: So at that point, yeah, I would, I would want
[2:14:29] Speaker 1: to run away to so. So the command to so
[2:14:33] Speaker 1: the command to love your neighbor originally comes from where
[2:14:36] Speaker 1: where do you think that comes from?
[2:14:37] Speaker 18: Gen from Jesus Christ.
[2:14:41] Speaker 1: Wrong, it's Leviticus nineteen eighteen. That so we'll try again.
[2:14:47] Speaker 1: That command is from Matthew twenty two. There you go, Jesus,
[2:14:51] Speaker 1: we finally got them. Yeah, Jesus is the god of
[2:14:53] Speaker 1: the Old Testament, and in Leviticus nineteen eighteen he says
[2:14:56] Speaker 1: to love your neighbor as yourself. What does he say
[2:14:59] Speaker 1: you can do? Only six chapters.
[2:15:01] Speaker 18: Later, I'm you talking about owning slaves.
[2:15:07] Speaker 1: Yeah, so Jesus, the god of the Old Testament, said
[2:15:10] Speaker 1: to love your neighbors as yourself, and then in the
[2:15:13] Speaker 1: very same book he also said you can own slaves.
[2:15:18] Speaker 1: So again, what in the Bible can we point to
[2:15:20] Speaker 1: to demonstrate that slavery is not morally acceptable.
[2:15:25] Speaker 18: Because we're under the new covenant of the New Testament,
[2:15:27] Speaker 18: it's not the same as the Old Testament.
[2:15:29] Speaker 2: It doesn't matter a New Testament.
[2:15:32] Speaker 18: Well, first of all, with the Canaanite woman you were
[2:15:34] Speaker 18: talking about earlier, whenever he.
[2:15:36] Speaker 1: Pivot hard, we're not talking about the Canaanite women.
[2:15:38] Speaker 2: We're talking about when he pull vaults like he does
[2:15:42] Speaker 2: the run and then he.
[2:15:43] Speaker 18: Isn't that nice. I'm not really pivoting.
[2:15:46] Speaker 1: I'm just like, the problem is he's not a good
[2:15:49] Speaker 1: poe vaulter. He gets given the pole stuck.
[2:15:51] Speaker 4: Up of ash.
[2:15:54] Speaker 1: Wow, we're just fucking round ge all right, Listen, we're
[2:15:57] Speaker 1: talking about slavery. So we're trying to figure out if
[2:16:00] Speaker 1: Jesus is the god of the Old Testament, and the
[2:16:01] Speaker 1: Old Testament says he can own slaves, and the New
[2:16:04] Speaker 1: Testament never reverses that policy. Then where in the world
[2:16:08] Speaker 1: can we point in the Bible to indicate that slavery
[2:16:10] Speaker 1: is bad?
[2:16:12] Speaker 18: Well, I want to ask you, why is slavery bad
[2:16:14] Speaker 18: to you guys?
[2:16:15] Speaker 2: The Bible does say that slavery is bad.
[2:16:17] Speaker 18: Why is slavery bad to you guys?
[2:16:19] Speaker 1: He can't answer it, he's coward.
[2:16:21] Speaker 18: Well, she sounded like she was about to. Can you
[2:16:22] Speaker 18: answer me that?
[2:16:23] Speaker 13: Why?
[2:16:23] Speaker 18: Why is slavery bad?
[2:16:24] Speaker 2: Well, the fact that you are at your big age
[2:16:27] Speaker 2: asking me, as a black woman, why slavery is bad?
[2:16:30] Speaker 2: As justin can I say bad words?
[2:16:33] Speaker 4: Yeah?
[2:16:34] Speaker 2: All the bad words fucking beyond me. Okay, it's as
[2:16:38] Speaker 2: actually quite disgusting. Why you're asking a black woman in
[2:16:42] Speaker 2: the year of Our Lord twenty twenty five why you
[2:16:45] Speaker 2: should not why it's wrong to own another person as property?
[2:16:48] Speaker 2: Are you fucking well?
[2:16:50] Speaker 18: I have a basis for why it's wrong.
[2:16:51] Speaker 5: You don't. You don't.
[2:16:53] Speaker 2: It's it's wrong to own another person as property, and
[2:16:57] Speaker 2: you're not saying that your basis if you're BA, this
[2:17:00] Speaker 2: is this book your God laid out the instructions for
[2:17:03] Speaker 2: slavery chattel slavery in the Vidicus twenty five.
[2:17:07] Speaker 18: If we're just animals floating.
[2:17:09] Speaker 4: But no doing that.
[2:17:11] Speaker 2: Not doing that, I don't like to do that.
[2:17:15] Speaker 1: You're not going to pivot. G We're not gonna let
[2:17:17] Speaker 1: you do it again. It doesn't We're going We're gonna
[2:17:20] Speaker 1: make you. We're gonna make you address the text because
[2:17:23] Speaker 1: you know she's.
[2:17:24] Speaker 18: Just getting emotional. Because not getting emotional slavery is wrong.
[2:17:28] Speaker 2: I have no feelings about you, sir.
[2:17:31] Speaker 18: Yeah, Anine, you just said I'm getting.
[2:17:36] Speaker 2: Because it is crazy.
[2:17:40] Speaker 1: We're still waiting for you to answer the questioning. So again,
[2:17:46] Speaker 1: again you're trying to pivot. He's deflecting crazy crazy at
[2:17:51] Speaker 1: now he's just going to be muted. Listen, Gee, I
[2:17:53] Speaker 1: don't want to spend the whole night like shouting over you.
[2:17:56] Speaker 1: If you're unable to like calm yourself, like get yourself
[2:17:59] Speaker 1: under control so that we can get a word in edgewise,
[2:18:02] Speaker 1: this is not going to go well for you. So again,
[2:18:04] Speaker 1: we're still trying to get you to a point where
[2:18:08] Speaker 1: you can demonstrate that slavery is wrong. Now, listen, in
[2:18:11] Speaker 1: your worldview, you could just say that slavery is not wrong.
[2:18:14] Speaker 1: There's nothing in the Bible that would indicate that slavery
[2:18:16] Speaker 1: is wrong. We're not saying that slavery was objectively wrong
[2:18:20] Speaker 1: because we don't believe in objective morals. We're asking you,
[2:18:24] Speaker 1: somebody who believes in God morals, where can we find
[2:18:27] Speaker 1: in your book where slavery is wrong.
[2:18:33] Speaker 18: I would say that it's because every person is made
[2:18:39] Speaker 18: in the image of God. So what, so we're I'm sorry,
[2:18:44] Speaker 18: I said, so what So if every person's made in
[2:18:47] Speaker 18: the image of God, you are not supposed to treat
[2:18:49] Speaker 18: them poorly. You're not supposed to enslave them, murder them.
[2:18:53] Speaker 1: The God was wrong?
[2:18:54] Speaker 18: Then no, God wasn't wrong.
[2:18:58] Speaker 1: So God was God wrong when he said you can
[2:19:00] Speaker 1: have slaves?
[2:19:04] Speaker 18: Was God wrong when he said you could have slaves
[2:19:05] Speaker 18: in the Old Testament? That's a huge theological.
[2:19:11] Speaker 2: Yes or no. It's not cute.
[2:19:13] Speaker 1: It's not you guys want to be He's a coward.
[2:19:16] Speaker 1: He can't say it.
[2:19:17] Speaker 2: I don't know why we are attracting so many couches today.
[2:19:20] Speaker 2: If y'all could just stand ten toes on something, it
[2:19:24] Speaker 2: would be fan.
[2:19:26] Speaker 18: At that time, yes, it was moral to anything.
[2:19:30] Speaker 2: It was moral for them to own people as property
[2:19:34] Speaker 2: for life.
[2:19:35] Speaker 3: Why why why.
[2:19:38] Speaker 18: Because the creator of the universe said it was. And
[2:19:40] Speaker 18: if he's the owner of the universe.
[2:19:42] Speaker 2: Who told you that, who told you that universe?
[2:19:45] Speaker 18: What he says is moral?
[2:19:47] Speaker 4: Is moral?
[2:19:47] Speaker 2: Sound ridiculous? Friend, Again, I'm not emotional. What what I
[2:19:53] Speaker 2: am is irritated by the fact that you are so
[2:19:56] Speaker 2: fucking dense, right you have you're so racist, honestly, let's
[2:20:02] Speaker 2: just get into it. Don't tell me, don't tell me
[2:20:04] Speaker 2: that you love. Don't do that right when you say
[2:20:07] Speaker 2: that at any point owning another person that's property was
[2:20:12] Speaker 2: a good thing. The only reason you're saying it's good
[2:20:15] Speaker 2: because you believe God condoned it.
[2:20:18] Speaker 1: I want to point out the blatant, fucking misogyny here too,
[2:20:21] Speaker 1: accusing the woman on stage of being emotional as you're
[2:20:24] Speaker 1: crashing out, But you didn't accuse me of being emotional once.
[2:20:28] Speaker 1: I don't know, like if you treat the women in
[2:20:30] Speaker 1: your life that way, But that's the bullshit. Yeah, I
[2:20:33] Speaker 1: hope there's no women in his life. So the reality is,
[2:20:38] Speaker 1: the reality is you believe that anything your God commands
[2:20:42] Speaker 1: is okay, So we'll ask you. I want to test
[2:20:44] Speaker 1: your logic on this. Okay, you're ready for maybe two
[2:20:46] Speaker 1: or three questions. They're easy questions and they only require
[2:20:49] Speaker 1: yes or no.
[2:20:51] Speaker 18: Okay, we'll do this in plusic answers.
[2:20:54] Speaker 1: Okay, so yes or no. If your God commands you
[2:20:56] Speaker 1: to do something, it's always right to obey. Yes, okay,
[2:21:02] Speaker 1: so yes or no. If your God commands you to
[2:21:05] Speaker 1: burn down your neighbor's house, it's right to a bay.
[2:21:12] Speaker 18: Uh, My God wouldn't command that, but yes.
[2:21:14] Speaker 1: But okay, there you go. All right, So question number three.
[2:21:18] Speaker 1: If your God commanded you to go to the orphanage,
[2:21:22] Speaker 1: take all the babies, put them in a meat grinder,
[2:21:25] Speaker 1: make baby paste, and then air them out and make
[2:21:27] Speaker 1: baby paste beef jerky for work snacks, would it be
[2:21:29] Speaker 1: right to a bay.
[2:21:31] Speaker 18: I'm going to give you a yes or no on this,
[2:21:32] Speaker 18: but let me give you two sentences before.
[2:21:35] Speaker 1: I need the yes or no, and then you can
[2:21:36] Speaker 1: give me your sentences.
[2:21:38] Speaker 18: Well, Jesus Christ would never command that, but.
[2:21:40] Speaker 1: Yes, okay, there you go. Yes. In your worldview, you
[2:21:44] Speaker 1: think turn babies into baby pace is a logical thing
[2:21:48] Speaker 1: to do if your God told you to do it,
[2:21:51] Speaker 1: which demonstrates how dangerous your actual worldview is. Because you
[2:21:55] Speaker 1: think as long as God commands you to do it
[2:21:58] Speaker 1: that in fact, it's okay to do it. And the
[2:22:00] Speaker 1: reality is your God, your God, did command the killing
[2:22:04] Speaker 1: of babies in the Bible. He commanded women, He commanded
[2:22:07] Speaker 1: the enslavery. Is Jesus God does Jesus Christ is Jesus God?
[2:22:14] Speaker 4: Yes?
[2:22:14] Speaker 1: Okay, So that means all the commands in the Old
[2:22:16] Speaker 1: Testament were given by Jesus.
[2:22:19] Speaker 18: All of the commands in the Old Testament were given
[2:22:21] Speaker 18: by Jesus.
[2:22:22] Speaker 2: Yes, we're given by slavery ones.
[2:22:26] Speaker 1: Yes, okay, So Jesus gave slavery laws Jesus. Jesus also
[2:22:33] Speaker 1: commanded Jesus also commanded the killing of babies, didn't he. Yes, okay,
[2:22:40] Speaker 1: So it's not outside of the nature of your God
[2:22:43] Speaker 1: to command the killing of babies, is it.
[2:22:46] Speaker 18: Well, it's under the New Covenant.
[2:22:48] Speaker 1: Your I didn't ask about the New Covenant. I've talked
[2:22:50] Speaker 1: about the nature of God. Is it within your God's nature.
[2:22:52] Speaker 1: I didn't ask you about the New Covenant. I didn't
[2:22:55] Speaker 1: ask you. I didn't ask you about the New Covenant.
[2:22:57] Speaker 1: I asked you about God's nature. Is it within God's
[2:22:59] Speaker 1: nature to ask you to kill babies? No, now you're lying.
[2:23:05] Speaker 1: We'll read the pastage for you, since you haven't read
[2:23:07] Speaker 1: it up here, lying breaking the commandments on it says, now,
[2:23:12] Speaker 1: go and attack amelek and utterly destroy all that they have,
[2:23:15] Speaker 1: Do not share them, but kill both man and women,
[2:23:18] Speaker 1: infant child in infant ox and sheep, camelon donkey. So
[2:23:21] Speaker 1: is it within God's nature? I'm asking you if you
[2:23:24] Speaker 1: think the New Testament changes like the Covenant, I asked
[2:23:28] Speaker 1: you within his nature? Is it within God's nature to
[2:23:31] Speaker 1: ask somebody to kill a baby?
[2:23:33] Speaker 11: No?
[2:23:34] Speaker 1: Oh, now you're a liar. All right, Well listen, we
[2:23:36] Speaker 1: don't talk to liars, so.
[2:23:37] Speaker 2: You can go and cry all right, by liar pants.
[2:23:42] Speaker 1: It's crazy. Maybe I was too rough. Maybe he doesn't
[2:23:45] Speaker 1: understand what the word nature means.
[2:23:47] Speaker 2: Maybe that no, he understands. He's just a racist misogynist
[2:23:50] Speaker 2: who doesn't want to stand till ten tolls him. The
[2:23:52] Speaker 2: fact that he's a racist misogynist.
[2:23:54] Speaker 1: Fucking am that's the case.
[2:23:57] Speaker 9: That is the case.
[2:23:58] Speaker 1: All right, let's grab a couple of super chests. We'll
[2:23:59] Speaker 1: get our next guest in here. We got some fun
[2:24:01] Speaker 1: stuff going on. Friends. While I'm doing that, make sure
[2:24:05] Speaker 1: you're going over to the description of this video and
[2:24:07] Speaker 1: following Christina's channel. She's at seven hundred and forty subscribers.
[2:24:13] Speaker 1: We need to break one thousand tonight. Listen, a thousands happening.
[2:24:18] Speaker 1: That's just what's gonna happen tonight. Thousands happening. What was
[2:24:22] Speaker 1: that last guest named Jigi? I got to write that
[2:24:25] Speaker 1: down on my list as baby paste. We got another
[2:24:29] Speaker 1: commitment to baby paste tonight. Adam to the list and
[2:24:32] Speaker 1: uh yeah, well, I'm sure we'll get one more. R
[2:24:35] Speaker 1: D Killa good to see you, says. What is Christina's
[2:24:37] Speaker 1: point of view? Is it from a heretical, vertical or
[2:24:41] Speaker 1: chruly pure horizon? Okay, listen, there are some people, yeah,
[2:24:46] Speaker 1: that are trying to skiz them the community. Are you
[2:24:50] Speaker 1: a vertical or horizontal viewer?
[2:24:54] Speaker 2: Can you expound on what that means?
[2:24:55] Speaker 3: Please?
[2:24:56] Speaker 1: So we run two streams on YouTube, one vertical for
[2:24:59] Speaker 1: the phone, horizontal for the computer, and currently there are
[2:25:02] Speaker 1: some people in the community having some disagreements about which
[2:25:05] Speaker 1: one is superior.
[2:25:08] Speaker 2: When you mean like in the way it shows up
[2:25:11] Speaker 2: on the screen.
[2:25:13] Speaker 1: I like the horizontal guys, she's one of the whores.
[2:25:18] Speaker 1: Welcome her with over no no no no, that's short
[2:25:22] Speaker 1: for horizontal. I would never Christina clock it.
[2:25:27] Speaker 2: What time is it? Eight twenty six pm? Since a
[2:25:29] Speaker 2: time it was In this moment, Justin called Christina.
[2:25:33] Speaker 1: Oh yeah, there's some inside baseball happening here. Don't worry, Drew,
[2:25:40] Speaker 1: thank you for the supertest. It's proud to be a
[2:25:42] Speaker 1: new subscriber to Christina's channel. Yes, yes, indeed, And we're guys,
[2:25:47] Speaker 1: we're getting closer and closer to one thousand subscribers. And
[2:25:50] Speaker 1: Christina's channel, Auntie says, hey, Justin love your content, mate,
[2:25:55] Speaker 1: greetings from Europe. Well, thank you for watching, Auntie. I
[2:25:58] Speaker 1: appreciate that, and make sure you're following Christina as well.
[2:26:01] Speaker 1: She does some amazing live streams. And Kay says, hey,
[2:26:04] Speaker 1: Justin was wondering if there is an age of consent
[2:26:07] Speaker 1: in the Bible. I know there's like one verse in
[2:26:10] Speaker 1: the Flower of Age or something, but I was told
[2:26:13] Speaker 1: it was only in regards to marriage, so the kind
[2:26:16] Speaker 1: of not really there seems to be like this implication
[2:26:19] Speaker 1: from certain Bible passages that there is a time period
[2:26:23] Speaker 1: when a woman is quote unquote ready for marriage, and
[2:26:26] Speaker 1: that is typically at puberty. And that's why we see,
[2:26:28] Speaker 1: like in the Song of Solomon, they're concerned that their
[2:26:31] Speaker 1: younger sister can't get married because she hasn't sprouted breasts yet.
[2:26:34] Speaker 1: She's a wall, it says. And so there certainly seems
[2:26:37] Speaker 1: to be this idea that once somebody hits puberty they're
[2:26:40] Speaker 1: ready for marriage. It's not really age dependent, however, if
[2:26:45] Speaker 1: you read the Talmid, they do kind of set in age,
[2:26:47] Speaker 1: and the age typically thirteen. If you're under the age
[2:26:50] Speaker 1: of thirteen, you're still considered essentially a child at that point.
[2:26:55] Speaker 1: That's why you have a bot mitzvah and a bar
[2:26:57] Speaker 1: mitzvah at thirteen. That being said, also in the Talmid, though,
[2:27:01] Speaker 1: it says if a father is like in financial trouble,
[2:27:04] Speaker 1: like he's really poor, he can choose to marry off
[2:27:07] Speaker 1: his daughter before the age of thirteen. But it's it's
[2:27:10] Speaker 1: traditionally they don't.
[2:27:11] Speaker 4: Want you to do that.
[2:27:13] Speaker 2: Yeah, so how does that work?
[2:27:16] Speaker 3: Right?
[2:27:17] Speaker 2: I quote unquote flowered at ten.
[2:27:23] Speaker 1: So the way it's described in the Talmud is that
[2:27:26] Speaker 1: if they marry you before the age of thirteen, that
[2:27:29] Speaker 1: it's just a betroth, though, and they're special. Wait until puberty, sent.
[2:27:33] Speaker 2: Wait until thirteen. That's insanity. I don't know why we
[2:27:36] Speaker 2: still adhere to this weird shit.
[2:27:39] Speaker 1: But yeah, but you know the crazy part. This is
[2:27:41] Speaker 1: the Talmut. This has written hundreds of years after the
[2:27:44] Speaker 1: Old Testament. So like the reality is, we don't know
[2:27:47] Speaker 1: what they actually did back in Moses's day. We just
[2:27:50] Speaker 1: know what the Jewish people eventually came to the conclusion
[2:27:53] Speaker 1: of So Aerlyn, thank you for the supertest According to
[2:27:57] Speaker 1: my belief system, we should keep the awesome m alive
[2:28:00] Speaker 1: and well this is not hard. Also, big w for Christina,
[2:28:04] Speaker 1: rock hard for Doug, absolutely huge.
[2:28:05] Speaker 2: W beg is a mile thank you.
[2:28:08] Speaker 1: You know about the Doug Lord, don't you.
[2:28:11] Speaker 2: Well, yeah, Doug, I think I've spoken to Doug before
[2:28:14] Speaker 2: in your discord.
[2:28:16] Speaker 1: Oh no, no, no, dog, Doug is the rock behind
[2:28:18] Speaker 1: me with the crown. Uh inside the sleigh. I've got
[2:28:22] Speaker 1: Doug and Sharon Stone. It's a whole thing. I'll okay,
[2:28:28] Speaker 1: there's a whole mythology around Doug and Sharon. Well, don't
[2:28:31] Speaker 1: worry it. I'll a billion science lover. Thank you for
[2:28:35] Speaker 1: the eighteen hundred HP says praise Doug and Sharon Stone.
[2:28:39] Speaker 1: Rock hard for Doug. I worship his hardness and his
[2:28:42] Speaker 1: massive boulders, and I challenged Drew to spend more money
[2:28:46] Speaker 1: to retake his number one contributor Crown. That is a
[2:28:50] Speaker 1: challenge to you, Drew. Holy shit, he called you out
[2:28:56] Speaker 1: in the middle of chat.
[2:28:58] Speaker 2: Crazy one pipe back.
[2:29:00] Speaker 1: I want to grab two more super chats friends. We'll
[2:29:03] Speaker 1: get our next guest in here. Carlos says, Hey, doing
[2:29:06] Speaker 1: good with phase two of therapy. Great to hear it, Carlos,
[2:29:09] Speaker 1: appreciate your greetings. Rock hard for Doug, and simply what
[2:29:11] Speaker 1: for Sharon? Well, thank you, carlus Is I'm glad to
[2:29:14] Speaker 1: hear that you're you're doing better in your recovery. I
[2:29:16] Speaker 1: was worried about you for a while there when you're
[2:29:18] Speaker 1: in and out of the hospital, but it sounds like
[2:29:19] Speaker 1: you're you're doing much better and we're certainly grateful for that.
[2:29:22] Speaker 1: And last one from g H says, what is it
[2:29:26] Speaker 1: with THEUS thinking they can define our morals? Like ask
[2:29:30] Speaker 1: the question and take the answer, because that's all you got.
[2:29:33] Speaker 1: You're not us, mink mink. That that is okay? Yeah, absolutely,
[2:29:40] Speaker 1: rock cards for Doug. All right, let's get our next
[2:29:41] Speaker 1: guest in here. It looks like ney s two forty
[2:29:45] Speaker 1: was next in line, and so we're gonna get a
[2:29:47] Speaker 1: neys pulled in how you doing, nes Hey, how you doing?
[2:29:54] Speaker 5: Man?
[2:29:55] Speaker 1: Doing well? Thanks for asking? Ayes, Are you at least eighteen?
[2:29:59] Speaker 9: And do believe in God?
[2:30:00] Speaker 11: Yes?
[2:30:01] Speaker 5: Yes, I'm forty four. And do I like God?
[2:30:07] Speaker 1: Do you believe in God?
[2:30:10] Speaker 5: Yes?
[2:30:10] Speaker 4: I do?
[2:30:11] Speaker 5: Okay?
[2:30:12] Speaker 1: And why should Christina and I believe in your garden?
[2:30:16] Speaker 5: Oh? I mean y'all shouldn't? I mean, yeah, ya should
[2:30:19] Speaker 5: believe whatever you want to believe. I could just tell
[2:30:21] Speaker 5: you why I believe I believe. But I was listening
[2:30:25] Speaker 5: to what you were saying with the verse about killing men,
[2:30:29] Speaker 5: women and children and all that. And this is how
[2:30:35] Speaker 5: how I make sense of it to me, how it's
[2:30:38] Speaker 5: logical to me as far as that when you read
[2:30:42] Speaker 5: the verse, he says, we read the whole entire verse.
[2:30:47] Speaker 5: He says, I punished the Malachis for what they did.
[2:30:50] Speaker 5: So I don't know what they did. I wasn't there.
[2:30:53] Speaker 5: He wasn't there. Okay, what they do?
[2:30:57] Speaker 1: Yeah, it's in the verse, so good.
[2:30:59] Speaker 5: So what do they do?
[2:31:00] Speaker 4: Yeah?
[2:31:00] Speaker 1: They attacked. They attacked the Israelites as they came up
[2:31:05] Speaker 1: out of Egypt and started wandering through the land. They
[2:31:08] Speaker 1: came out and attacked them. In Exus chapter seventeen and
[2:31:11] Speaker 1: that was four hundred years prior to this, which means
[2:31:15] Speaker 1: everybody that got murdered that day had nothing to do
[2:31:17] Speaker 1: with that attack.
[2:31:19] Speaker 5: Okay, great, so now.
[2:31:21] Speaker 1: Great okay, great, yeah yeah kill people?
[2:31:25] Speaker 5: Yeah, Well, let me point if this is God, if
[2:31:30] Speaker 5: you if you believe that he killed a million people, right,
[2:31:35] Speaker 5: you're saying that you're judging God based on that. So
[2:31:38] Speaker 5: you believe that, So then it's like, all right, got
[2:31:41] Speaker 5: to believe everything then in the Bible. Can't just pay.
[2:31:45] Speaker 1: How that happened?
[2:31:46] Speaker 5: I believe he killed all those people, Like you said,
[2:31:48] Speaker 5: I don't believe that. I don't believe everything else.
[2:31:50] Speaker 1: I don't believe that happened though, Oh so.
[2:31:54] Speaker 5: Then how was he a bad or evil god? If
[2:31:56] Speaker 5: you don't believe so.
[2:31:57] Speaker 1: This is called it internal critiques Like if I told
[2:31:59] Speaker 1: you you, like if I asked you, do you believe
[2:32:01] Speaker 1: that Voldemort is a bad individual? What would you say?
[2:32:07] Speaker 5: All right, this is a very simple thing. Do you
[2:32:10] Speaker 5: believe it or not?
[2:32:11] Speaker 4: Not?
[2:32:11] Speaker 1: If you don't, didn't ask you if you think it's true.
[2:32:13] Speaker 1: I asked you, do you believe that Baltimore is a
[2:32:15] Speaker 1: bad individual?
[2:32:16] Speaker 3: No?
[2:32:16] Speaker 5: I don't believe in Baltimore exists.
[2:32:18] Speaker 1: I didn't ask you to existed. I said, do you
[2:32:21] Speaker 1: believe that Baltimore.
[2:32:23] Speaker 15: Is a bad individual?
[2:32:25] Speaker 5: No, I can't believe something is bad.
[2:32:27] Speaker 1: That within within the story book.
[2:32:31] Speaker 5: Oh, within the fake story. No, I don't believe a
[2:32:33] Speaker 5: fictional character.
[2:32:34] Speaker 1: I didn't ask you if you believed it was if
[2:32:36] Speaker 1: it was a real person. Asked you within the story?
[2:32:38] Speaker 4: Is it?
[2:32:39] Speaker 1: Is it a bad or good individual?
[2:32:41] Speaker 4: Oh?
[2:32:43] Speaker 5: In the story? I don't watch. I never heard the story.
[2:32:46] Speaker 5: I don't know the story. It sounds like a bad person.
[2:32:48] Speaker 5: I don't know.
[2:32:49] Speaker 1: Okay, maybe I shouldn't have assumed you you knew, like
[2:32:53] Speaker 1: one of the most popular stories of our generation. Whatever.
[2:32:55] Speaker 1: What about what about Darth Vader? With Darth Vader a
[2:32:59] Speaker 1: good character a bad character?
[2:33:02] Speaker 4: Uh?
[2:33:03] Speaker 5: They have not the villain the villain?
[2:33:05] Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, but did he exist in your life?
[2:33:09] Speaker 5: No, that's why I said, it's crazy to call him
[2:33:11] Speaker 5: evil fantastic.
[2:33:13] Speaker 1: Okay, So Darth Vader doesn't exist in your life. But
[2:33:16] Speaker 1: based on the story, you have an opinion on this character.
[2:33:19] Speaker 1: And we're saying we don't believe that this book is
[2:33:21] Speaker 1: literally true in all that it says, but we do
[2:33:24] Speaker 1: have an opinion based on the characters and their behavior
[2:33:27] Speaker 1: within the book. So we're not saying that your God exists.
[2:33:30] Speaker 1: We're saying that what we hear about it totally understand
[2:33:33] Speaker 1: that makes us believe that this god is evil.
[2:33:37] Speaker 5: Yes, but from your point he doesn't exist, as you said,
[2:33:41] Speaker 5: from my point of view, he does exist. So you
[2:33:45] Speaker 5: debating whether something that doesn't exist is good or evil
[2:33:49] Speaker 5: is to me, it's just not logical if.
[2:33:52] Speaker 2: It doesn't what we're doing. If you're coming on a panel,
[2:33:58] Speaker 2: you're going to engage age in the dialogue, or you're
[2:34:02] Speaker 2: not going to engage in the dialogue. We are an atheists.
[2:34:05] Speaker 2: We do not believe that this exists. This is an
[2:34:08] Speaker 2: internal critique, right, we're asking the question, why should we
[2:34:11] Speaker 2: believe in your God? So you did the same thing
[2:34:14] Speaker 2: on my panel earlier. Don't waste our time. You know
[2:34:17] Speaker 2: we don't believe in it. Give us the reason why
[2:34:19] Speaker 2: we should friend.
[2:34:21] Speaker 1: Yeah, so you know that we don't believe in your God.
[2:34:24] Speaker 1: We know that you do believe in your God. The
[2:34:27] Speaker 1: fact that we don't believe in it is irrelevant. We're
[2:34:29] Speaker 1: allowed to make assessments based on a fictional character the
[2:34:34] Speaker 1: same way you can make an assessment that Darth Vader
[2:34:36] Speaker 1: is bad even though he's fictional. So this is not
[2:34:39] Speaker 1: like a winning argument for you. And we still haven't
[2:34:42] Speaker 1: heard an actual reason why we would want to believe
[2:34:45] Speaker 1: that your God is real? Why would we want to believe?
[2:34:49] Speaker 1: Why would we want to believe that your God is real?
[2:34:53] Speaker 5: Not a problem? Not a problem. Let's go with your way, man. Okay,
[2:34:56] Speaker 5: it's a fictional character. You're saying, this fictional character is evil. Okay, fine,
[2:35:00] Speaker 5: you're going based on the book.
[2:35:02] Speaker 1: Did you hear the question.
[2:35:06] Speaker 5: I'm answering the question? You don't have to like what
[2:35:09] Speaker 5: do you think?
[2:35:09] Speaker 1: The question what do you think? The questions?
[2:35:13] Speaker 5: What's repeated?
[2:35:14] Speaker 1: Maybe I'm yeah, you weren't listening.
[2:35:16] Speaker 19: I know.
[2:35:16] Speaker 1: The question is why would we believe in your God?
[2:35:20] Speaker 5: Okay? So, well, I can't tell you why you should believe.
[2:35:24] Speaker 5: I can't do that. Okay, why I believe?
[2:35:27] Speaker 1: Okay? So you came to waste our time, just like
[2:35:29] Speaker 1: you did Christina's time earlier. So you can go away.
[2:35:32] Speaker 1: If you don't have a reason why we should believe,
[2:35:35] Speaker 1: then you're in the wrong place. The question on the
[2:35:36] Speaker 1: board is why should we believe in your God? If
[2:35:39] Speaker 1: you don't have an answer to that question, you shouldn't
[2:35:42] Speaker 1: be here. I assume he does that every every time
[2:35:44] Speaker 1: he shows up at your place, too.
[2:35:46] Speaker 2: Well, he's only shown up today, and hopefully it's the
[2:35:49] Speaker 2: last time he shows Ain't nobody got time for that?
[2:35:53] Speaker 1: Certainly not, certainly not. Okay, I'm going to grab this
[2:35:59] Speaker 1: a couple of our late super chests and we'll get
[2:36:01] Speaker 1: our next guest in here. Drew Smith is retaking his crown.
[2:36:04] Speaker 1: Drew Smith, thank you for the supertest is number one
[2:36:06] Speaker 1: in the horizontal denomination and fucking now number one in
[2:36:11] Speaker 1: the horizontal chat. Thank you so much. Drew. Drew is
[2:36:15] Speaker 1: on top, He's on the leaderboard. Holy, He's currently Doug's favorite, apparently,
[2:36:20] Speaker 1: and last super chat before our next guests from Stop
[2:36:22] Speaker 1: this stupidity, says the verticals in the horizontal stand as one.
[2:36:26] Speaker 1: I agree. We are Dutch. There is no schism, no divide,
[2:36:30] Speaker 1: only the righteous rotation of truth. For the word of
[2:36:33] Speaker 1: deconstruction flows in every direction. Rock Card producan simply what
[2:36:37] Speaker 1: for Sharon? So uh, Christina, Rockcard produg And simply what
[2:36:41] Speaker 1: for Sharon? Is our version of peace be upon him?
[2:36:46] Speaker 1: In Okay, so you'll hear a lot Let's spring in
[2:36:50] Speaker 1: dragon glasses.
[2:36:51] Speaker 2: Oh, sorry, go ahead, he says, is it seriously what
[2:36:54] Speaker 2: for Sharon or simply sinfully? Okay? I should okay sinfully
[2:37:00] Speaker 2: wet for sure?
[2:37:01] Speaker 1: Oh my, We're gonna grab dragon glasses and then a
[2:37:05] Speaker 1: mirror and then Eli in that order. Okay, hopefully dragon
[2:37:09] Speaker 1: glasses is a little more. We'll see dragon. Are you
[2:37:14] Speaker 1: at least eighteen? And do you believe in God?
[2:37:18] Speaker 5: Yes?
[2:37:18] Speaker 7: Sir?
[2:37:19] Speaker 4: Cool?
[2:37:19] Speaker 1: And which aar do you believe in?
[2:37:24] Speaker 21: I'm in my construction phase. I just want to thank
[2:37:26] Speaker 21: you guys for what you guys are doing. I caught
[2:37:28] Speaker 21: this China. I was a debut Christian my whole life,
[2:37:32] Speaker 21: and then I started by deconstructed this summer with apology
[2:37:35] Speaker 21: and then I found your channel and I just want
[2:37:38] Speaker 21: to say thank you, thank you for what you're doing.
[2:37:41] Speaker 21: I will admit that sometimes when I'm struggling with personal
[2:37:45] Speaker 21: financial I do find myself coming back to my previous beliefs.
[2:37:50] Speaker 21: So I'm still working on that. So I just wanted
[2:37:54] Speaker 21: to ask you, man, what is some points you can
[2:37:57] Speaker 21: give me to with that struggle because I I just
[2:38:01] Speaker 21: got fired last week for something I believed it wasn't
[2:38:03] Speaker 21: my fault. Sorry, man, you know I still come back
[2:38:08] Speaker 21: to my previous faith and pray that things get better.
[2:38:13] Speaker 21: But I know I still believe that, you know, in
[2:38:17] Speaker 21: the deconstruction. So you know, how would you, uh, what
[2:38:21] Speaker 21: is all advices that you can give me in in
[2:38:25] Speaker 21: in that struggle you know you find myself in Like
[2:38:29] Speaker 21: right now, I was terminated, so I still come back
[2:38:34] Speaker 21: in my faith, but I know I don't believe that anymore.
[2:38:36] Speaker 9: So like, what are some point that you can give
[2:38:38] Speaker 9: you for that in that struggle?
[2:38:41] Speaker 1: Well do you think, Christina? I've got a couple of thoughts.
[2:38:43] Speaker 2: Can I just say this. I think that when it
[2:38:45] Speaker 2: comes to the idea of of having something to hold
[2:38:50] Speaker 2: on to, right, there are times when people we experience things,
[2:38:56] Speaker 2: even in deconstruction, especially when you're newly deconstructing, and we
[2:39:01] Speaker 2: hold on to things like our faith and our prayers
[2:39:05] Speaker 2: and things that keep us going during challenging times like this.
[2:39:12] Speaker 2: I'm not here to take that from you. Right, you
[2:39:17] Speaker 2: are on a journey and plates can be full sometimes,
[2:39:23] Speaker 2: and I if holding on to prayer and that gives
[2:39:27] Speaker 2: you hope.
[2:39:28] Speaker 3: Then do that.
[2:39:31] Speaker 4: Do that?
[2:39:31] Speaker 2: I think that sometimes we feel like as we're deconstructing,
[2:39:34] Speaker 2: we have to drop everything and and and and completely
[2:39:38] Speaker 2: denounce everything that we formally believe because we're coming. We're
[2:39:42] Speaker 2: opening our mind and our eyes to different truths. Right,
[2:39:45] Speaker 2: But extend grace to yourself, right and allow this process
[2:39:50] Speaker 2: to you know, teach you ask the questions necessary. But
[2:39:55] Speaker 2: right now it seems like you know you're you're in
[2:39:57] Speaker 2: a space where you need to hold onto some type
[2:40:01] Speaker 2: of hope. And I would, honestly, and this is just me,
[2:40:04] Speaker 2: I feel like if your faith is something that you
[2:40:07] Speaker 2: hold onto for that, then then do that. Continue learning,
[2:40:10] Speaker 2: continue asking questions, continue utilizing other resources. But don't feel
[2:40:17] Speaker 2: like you have to force yourself to reject things like
[2:40:23] Speaker 2: prayer and and that thing that holds that that that's
[2:40:27] Speaker 2: holding you together, right, because I'd rather you be okay
[2:40:33] Speaker 2: and find community and support and things like that in
[2:40:37] Speaker 2: the ways that you understand. Then for you to feel
[2:40:40] Speaker 2: like you have to denounce everything for the sake of
[2:40:43] Speaker 2: this the deconstruction process, and it end up being worse
[2:40:47] Speaker 2: for you because you're not ready to do something like that.
[2:40:51] Speaker 2: This is this is a journey that we're all on, right,
[2:40:53] Speaker 2: I'm still deconstructing. I don't think I tell people all
[2:40:56] Speaker 2: the time, I won't ever be done deconstructing just because
[2:40:58] Speaker 2: of how long I was in this faith and and
[2:41:02] Speaker 2: this this this religion is not on me, it's in me,
[2:41:05] Speaker 2: and it's something that has to work its way out,
[2:41:09] Speaker 2: and doctrination is something that is very thick, and it's
[2:41:11] Speaker 2: it's it's damn near permanent. I won't say it's permanent,
[2:41:16] Speaker 2: because people do change their mind on the idea. But
[2:41:20] Speaker 2: if hope is something that you need, if this, if
[2:41:22] Speaker 2: this is what gives you hope and hoped onto.
[2:41:24] Speaker 1: It, yeah, I mean, I definitely agree. My deconstruction took
[2:41:29] Speaker 1: ten years. It took me a long time to go
[2:41:31] Speaker 1: from maybe some of this stuff isn't true to I
[2:41:35] Speaker 1: know for fact that none of it is true. That
[2:41:38] Speaker 1: being said, you know, during that process, I prayed and
[2:41:41] Speaker 1: I prayed and prayed and I prayed simple things like God,
[2:41:44] Speaker 1: I'm struggling.
[2:41:45] Speaker 9: I just need help.
[2:41:46] Speaker 1: I need you to show up. The funny thing is
[2:41:49] Speaker 1: he never shows up. And so that aided me in
[2:41:53] Speaker 1: my deconstruction process, realizing that I'm on my own, I
[2:41:56] Speaker 1: got to do this shit myself, and I just talked
[2:41:58] Speaker 1: to someone recently that kind of I guess you could
[2:42:02] Speaker 1: say found God during the AA process and has been
[2:42:05] Speaker 1: kind of quietly deconstructing for like the last four years,
[2:42:09] Speaker 1: and she's finally at a point where she's like, I
[2:42:12] Speaker 1: don't like when I pray, I don't feel like it's
[2:42:14] Speaker 1: actually doing anything. And I was like, well, that's because
[2:42:17] Speaker 1: your brain is finally at a position where it's like,
[2:42:20] Speaker 1: oh yeah, because the God isn't there, he's not listening.
[2:42:22] Speaker 1: So like you're going to get to a point where
[2:42:26] Speaker 1: like it might feel good right now to pray because
[2:42:29] Speaker 1: it feels like it helps you. But if you keep
[2:42:31] Speaker 1: to deconstructing, you're going to get to a point like
[2:42:33] Speaker 1: most of us, where you're just like, oh, well, yeah,
[2:42:35] Speaker 1: I mean, pray doesn't do anything because this God isn't real.
[2:42:38] Speaker 1: It's kind of a natural process. It's not something you
[2:42:40] Speaker 1: can force.
[2:42:41] Speaker 9: It just is what it is.
[2:42:42] Speaker 1: But the thing that I recommend to everybody deconstructing is
[2:42:46] Speaker 1: this is a difficult process. Talk to a good therapist.
[2:42:48] Speaker 1: We've got a therapist in our community named doctor Joe
[2:42:50] Speaker 1: Joe en Ketch. You can google doctor Joe N. Ketch
[2:42:54] Speaker 1: and her website will show up on Google. She's amazing.
[2:42:57] Speaker 1: I refer a lot of people to her because she's
[2:42:59] Speaker 1: good and she she understands the process very well, and
[2:43:04] Speaker 1: she can give you tools. So like when you're having
[2:43:07] Speaker 1: that existential crisis or when you're in that panic mode
[2:43:10] Speaker 1: because you're like, oh my gosh, I don't know what
[2:43:11] Speaker 1: I'm gonna do, you know, she can kind of provide
[2:43:14] Speaker 1: you the help, support and the tools that you need.
[2:43:18] Speaker 9: Yeah.
[2:43:19] Speaker 21: Yeah, thank you Christina and Justin for your kind words. Yeah,
[2:43:24] Speaker 21: so I just wanted to That's really all I want
[2:43:27] Speaker 21: to say is thank you guys for what you do.
[2:43:29] Speaker 21: And yeah, I just keep coming back to this and
[2:43:33] Speaker 21: I just feel guilty and shame. And while you guys
[2:43:37] Speaker 21: were talking, I was sobbing. But I just it's I
[2:43:41] Speaker 21: don't know why I feel like this, but that's just
[2:43:45] Speaker 21: what I'm struggling with, you know, you know, spiritually and
[2:43:48] Speaker 21: emotionally and you know, financially right now.
[2:43:52] Speaker 3: So it is a.
[2:43:54] Speaker 2: Process, it is and community is really important.
[2:43:58] Speaker 16: I know.
[2:43:58] Speaker 2: I don't know if you're a part of justice discord
[2:44:03] Speaker 2: and other or other discords that are within the community,
[2:44:06] Speaker 2: but there are so many resources, right you know that
[2:44:12] Speaker 2: could help you their job resources and things like that
[2:44:15] Speaker 2: and other ways where people are truly helping people. Know,
[2:44:19] Speaker 2: God required right, So I would definitely say lean in,
[2:44:25] Speaker 2: don't you know sometimes these situations and moments can make
[2:44:27] Speaker 2: us want to isolate. But I think that as a
[2:44:31] Speaker 2: part of your deconstruction process and dealing with times like this,
[2:44:34] Speaker 2: suggestin was saying lean into the community, that that that
[2:44:38] Speaker 2: that's here to do that change is hard in trying
[2:44:43] Speaker 2: to experience things that like job loss or depression or
[2:44:48] Speaker 2: things like that that you would have dealt with a
[2:44:49] Speaker 2: certain way when you were fully invested in the idea
[2:44:54] Speaker 2: of this faith and this belief. It's challenging trying to
[2:44:57] Speaker 2: learn new pathways and trying to figure out different things.
[2:45:01] Speaker 2: A lot of us have have been there where you
[2:45:04] Speaker 2: are are going where you have are going through it
[2:45:06] Speaker 2: at the same time. So again, community is extremely important.
[2:45:11] Speaker 2: Utilize it.
[2:45:12] Speaker 1: Yeah, there are some free resources you might want to
[2:45:16] Speaker 1: check into, like Freedom from Religion. They offer some some
[2:45:21] Speaker 1: some support in this area.
[2:45:24] Speaker 21: Yes, I saw that the other day. I'll definitely check
[2:45:29] Speaker 21: it out. What was the therapist's name again, because somebody.
[2:45:32] Speaker 1: Put it in Yeah, doctor Joe and ketch.
[2:45:38] Speaker 21: So okay, okay, Yeah, Well, think I don't want to
[2:45:43] Speaker 21: waste your guys time. That might be other people you
[2:45:46] Speaker 21: want to talk to but I just want to thank
[2:45:47] Speaker 21: you guys for what you're doing, and.
[2:45:49] Speaker 1: You know, rock on sure thing. Cheers, buddy, best of luck,
[2:45:53] Speaker 1: thank you, thank you. Deconstruction is hard, especially when you're
[2:45:58] Speaker 1: going through difficult circumstances because you're like, I don't know
[2:46:01] Speaker 1: where to turn to right.
[2:46:03] Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, even though like before, when you know, I
[2:46:08] Speaker 2: recognize now like I was talking to myself and encouraging
[2:46:11] Speaker 2: myself through a lot of those situations and just attributing
[2:46:13] Speaker 2: it to a God when that's all, you know, it's
[2:46:17] Speaker 2: it's challenging, and it feels almost wrong to assume that
[2:46:21] Speaker 2: I'm helping myself through something. How dare I not give
[2:46:25] Speaker 2: the credit for coming out of this thing to God? Like?
[2:46:27] Speaker 2: And it's it's it can it can be a big,
[2:46:31] Speaker 2: you know, windstorm. So my thoughts are with him for sure.
[2:46:36] Speaker 4: Absolutely.
[2:46:37] Speaker 1: Friends, I'm gonna grab two super chats and we're gonna
[2:46:40] Speaker 1: get a Meir, a Mer and then Eli in that order. Josh,
[2:46:45] Speaker 1: good to see you tonight. Thank you for the ten
[2:46:47] Speaker 1: of supertest says I don't have an epa a fine
[2:46:49] Speaker 1: flower for a sin offering, but I do have ten bucks.
[2:46:52] Speaker 1: Christina is great and enjoying the crash outs tonight. Indeed,
[2:46:56] Speaker 1: on both accounts, she's doing a great job handling these
[2:47:00] Speaker 1: soogynistic fools. She always does, she always does. Also, friends,
[2:47:04] Speaker 1: we're getting closer. We're getting closer to one thousand Subby's
[2:47:08] Speaker 1: on her YouTube channel. We need everyone to go to
[2:47:11] Speaker 1: the description of this video and click on the description
[2:47:15] Speaker 1: and follow her to her channel so that she can
[2:47:17] Speaker 1: get over a thousand Subby's tonight.
[2:47:20] Speaker 9: We're gonna make it happen.
[2:47:22] Speaker 2: It's it's insane, like this is wild.
[2:47:26] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[2:47:26] Speaker 1: If there's one thing we do in this community, we
[2:47:28] Speaker 1: support each other.
[2:47:29] Speaker 4: Right.
[2:47:29] Speaker 2: Oh real, thank y'all so much. I appreciate you.
[2:47:33] Speaker 1: Hank says, we need a pivot counter. Oh my gosh,
[2:47:36] Speaker 1: such a good idea. Pivot counter. I'm gonna write that
[2:47:39] Speaker 1: down on my notes. Hold on, I've got I have
[2:47:41] Speaker 1: like a running list of notes. One second.
[2:47:50] Speaker 4: There we go.
[2:47:50] Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'll work on that. Friends, We're gonna get
[2:47:52] Speaker 1: a pivot counter, going, I this is such a good idea,
[2:47:55] Speaker 1: all right, so let me readress of it. We need
[2:47:56] Speaker 1: a pivot counter so as bags like g can keep
[2:47:59] Speaker 1: track of how many times they've refused to answer questions,
[2:48:02] Speaker 1: change topics, and attempt to indict the host a million percent.
[2:48:05] Speaker 1: Hank could not agree more. Thank you for the super
[2:48:08] Speaker 1: get and thank you for that suggestions as gold. All right,
[2:48:11] Speaker 1: let's grab a mirror and we're going to bring a
[2:48:13] Speaker 1: mirror into the discussion. Amir, welcome in. Are you at
[2:48:17] Speaker 1: least eighteen? And do you believe in God?
[2:48:21] Speaker 7: Yes?
[2:48:21] Speaker 9: Thanks for having me, awesome?
[2:48:23] Speaker 1: And which God do you believe in?
[2:48:29] Speaker 4: So?
[2:48:30] Speaker 9: I guess can I start with asking you guys a
[2:48:32] Speaker 9: question or should I answer that?
[2:48:34] Speaker 1: You can answer the question, and you're welcome to ask
[2:48:37] Speaker 1: one after that.
[2:48:39] Speaker 9: So I believe simply in the creator of just of
[2:48:42] Speaker 9: the of the whole universe.
[2:48:44] Speaker 1: Okay, so you're Muslim? H yes, yep, correct, yeah, yeah,
[2:48:49] Speaker 1: where do you just come out and say that?
[2:48:50] Speaker 4: Okay?
[2:48:51] Speaker 1: So why would Christina and I want to believe in
[2:48:55] Speaker 1: the Muslim God?
[2:48:58] Speaker 9: Yeah, that's a great question. So a lot of people
[2:49:04] Speaker 9: will say, like, well, why would she? Why would we
[2:49:06] Speaker 9: believe in your God or your god? You know, addressing
[2:49:09] Speaker 9: like Christians or Hindus. I believe there's just like one God,
[2:49:13] Speaker 9: one creator of the universe, and this God, said Jesus, Yeah.
[2:49:19] Speaker 1: Right, So so I believe I'm asking why like what
[2:49:25] Speaker 1: would compel us to believe in your God?
[2:49:31] Speaker 12: Well?
[2:49:31] Speaker 9: First, do you guys believe in God at all? Just curious?
[2:49:34] Speaker 11: Or do you guys?
[2:49:37] Speaker 3: So?
[2:49:37] Speaker 9: Do you guys think so?
[2:49:39] Speaker 4: I guess?
[2:49:40] Speaker 9: Could I ask how how do you guys think the
[2:49:42] Speaker 9: universe like came to be this space time continuum that
[2:49:45] Speaker 9: we live in, Like, how do you think that was?
[2:49:48] Speaker 3: Like?
[2:49:48] Speaker 9: Do you think it was created? Do you think it
[2:49:50] Speaker 9: was It's always been here?
[2:49:53] Speaker 3: Like?
[2:49:53] Speaker 1: Do you think there's no Christina's opinion on this? I
[2:49:55] Speaker 1: have a very firm opinion on this, but I like
[2:49:57] Speaker 1: to know Christina's.
[2:49:59] Speaker 2: He you want, you want my honest answer when I
[2:50:02] Speaker 2: get this question, Yes, please, Yes, I don't know, and
[2:50:07] Speaker 2: I don't give a shit. I don't care. I hate
[2:50:11] Speaker 2: when people ask me that question. And I'll tell you
[2:50:15] Speaker 2: why because I'm not saying that to be like rude
[2:50:18] Speaker 2: or disrespectful. I just when I say, when people ask
[2:50:21] Speaker 2: how did all this start? I have when I think
[2:50:25] Speaker 2: about what's going on in our world right now and
[2:50:27] Speaker 2: I think about, you know, all the things that make
[2:50:29] Speaker 2: up how we interact with each other, and not once
[2:50:33] Speaker 2: does the origin of things come to mind when we're
[2:50:36] Speaker 2: talking about the you know, injustices in our world, in
[2:50:38] Speaker 2: the way that this religion and this belief system affects
[2:50:41] Speaker 2: our society.
[2:50:42] Speaker 9: We don't.
[2:50:43] Speaker 2: There's no place for it. I wasn't at the beginning
[2:50:46] Speaker 2: of creation. I'm here now though, So that's what I
[2:50:48] Speaker 2: like to focus on. That's just my stance on it.
[2:50:50] Speaker 2: I would like to hear Justine.
[2:50:54] Speaker 1: Yeah, so I agree with Christina. By the way, this
[2:50:56] Speaker 1: is not This is a topic I usually address, but
[2:50:58] Speaker 1: it's actually not relevant because whether or not I know
[2:51:01] Speaker 1: how everything started, or if there is a start, it's
[2:51:04] Speaker 1: irrelevant to whether or not God is the cause of it.
[2:51:07] Speaker 1: I could I could just say I don't know, and
[2:51:10] Speaker 1: I say, if your God is the one that caused it,
[2:51:12] Speaker 1: what's the evidence of it?
[2:51:13] Speaker 4: Right?
[2:51:14] Speaker 7: Yes?
[2:51:15] Speaker 9: Yeah, So I guess here's my answer. A lot of people.
[2:51:19] Speaker 9: I guess there's a lot of misconceptions about Islam and Muslims.
[2:51:22] Speaker 9: By the way, I'm recently converted to Ism. I actually
[2:51:25] Speaker 9: grew up not following any religion, and I always believed
[2:51:28] Speaker 9: in a higher power. But I thought religion was man made, right,
[2:51:31] Speaker 9: I thought religion was man made. But there has to
[2:51:33] Speaker 9: be a purpose that we're here. There has to be
[2:51:35] Speaker 9: like a creator that created all this, because everything in
[2:51:39] Speaker 9: our world has been created, right, Your your iPhone was created,
[2:51:42] Speaker 9: your laptops.
[2:51:44] Speaker 1: The puddle in my backyard wasn't created.
[2:51:48] Speaker 9: Yeah, I get I guess you have a point. But
[2:51:50] Speaker 9: the water that created that puddle. Would you say that
[2:51:55] Speaker 9: somehow that was created or no? Okay, that's interesting. I'll
[2:52:00] Speaker 9: respectfully disagree.
[2:52:01] Speaker 1: Okay, I think, well the evidence said it was created.
[2:52:08] Speaker 9: That's it's a good question. Yeah, I'm I don't have
[2:52:10] Speaker 9: a definitive answer, but I guess it's just like, deep
[2:52:14] Speaker 9: within me, I feel like we're here for a purpose
[2:52:16] Speaker 9: and something created these particles and atoms that make up
[2:52:19] Speaker 9: the universe.
[2:52:20] Speaker 1: What's the evidence of that.
[2:52:22] Speaker 9: Yeah, so that's the point I'm getting to. So if
[2:52:25] Speaker 9: I told you, for example, like the Quran talks about
[2:52:29] Speaker 9: it was a book written fourteen hundred years ago, and
[2:52:31] Speaker 9: it talks about things like the Big Bang theory for example. Well,
[2:52:39] Speaker 9: there's a verse in it where it says we are
[2:52:42] Speaker 9: as expander. Yes, yep, exactly.
[2:52:45] Speaker 1: Everything was to do with space. The Koran doesn't know
[2:52:49] Speaker 1: what outer space is. It thinks that the heavens is
[2:52:52] Speaker 1: just the sky the clouds above.
[2:52:56] Speaker 9: Well, this is debated too because in Arabic, the original,
[2:53:00] Speaker 9: there's a word in Arabic that when it translates to
[2:53:03] Speaker 9: English to English version, it does say like the heavens
[2:53:07] Speaker 9: and the earth, for example. But in the Arabic on
[2:53:09] Speaker 9: the Arabic side of it, it's technically just talking about
[2:53:12] Speaker 9: like all of creation in this whole like this whole
[2:53:15] Speaker 9: space time continuum. And that's fine. Let's say you disagree
[2:53:18] Speaker 9: with that, but there's this is just like one verse.
[2:53:21] Speaker 9: There's also a few other verses, a.
[2:53:23] Speaker 1: Bunch of verses that you don't have to know specific
[2:53:26] Speaker 1: Arabic words to figure out that it. You know, it
[2:53:29] Speaker 1: agrees with the Bible that the Earth is basically flat
[2:53:31] Speaker 1: with a flat sky over it, and that the lowest
[2:53:34] Speaker 1: of the heavens is in the sky where it thinks
[2:53:36] Speaker 1: the stars are, says, And indeed we adorn the lowest
[2:53:39] Speaker 1: heaven with stars like lamps and made them as missiles
[2:53:43] Speaker 1: for stoning eavesdropping devils, for we have also prepared the
[2:53:48] Speaker 1: torment of blazes. So like, according to the Koran, like
[2:53:51] Speaker 1: the stars out there, they're not millions of miles away
[2:53:54] Speaker 1: or millions of light years away, they're like literally in
[2:53:56] Speaker 1: the lowest heavens, close to the Earth, and sometimes they
[2:53:59] Speaker 1: fall to the Earth and kill the devils, like they
[2:54:03] Speaker 1: have no concept about space.
[2:54:06] Speaker 9: But then, but then there's also a verse that talks
[2:54:09] Speaker 9: about the Sun, Moon and Earth. How there it uses
[2:54:15] Speaker 9: the word swimming, specifically swimming in orbit, and today NASA
[2:54:19] Speaker 9: uses what on Earth sun orbiting? Yeah, so it says
[2:54:25] Speaker 9: the Sun, Moon and Earth are swimming in orbit through space.
[2:54:28] Speaker 1: Essentially, what's the Sun orbiting?
[2:54:32] Speaker 9: So the Sun is the center of our solar system,
[2:54:34] Speaker 9: but our whole solar system is moving through space, if
[2:54:37] Speaker 9: you know what I mean.
[2:54:38] Speaker 1: So, like the we know that, but it doesn't it
[2:54:41] Speaker 1: doesn't say that the Earth is orbiting.
[2:54:44] Speaker 9: Yeah, I can find the verse or if you have
[2:54:47] Speaker 9: it up already on coron dot com. There is a
[2:54:49] Speaker 9: verse about the Sun, Earth, and Moon how they swim
[2:54:51] Speaker 9: in orbit?
[2:54:52] Speaker 1: And I guess, yeah, I've got a verse. It's in
[2:54:56] Speaker 1: chapter thirty six versus thirty eight through forty, and it
[2:55:02] Speaker 1: says the Sun travels for its fixed term. That is
[2:55:11] Speaker 1: the design of the Almighty all knowing. As for the Moon,
[2:55:14] Speaker 1: we have ordained precise phases for it until it ends
[2:55:17] Speaker 1: up looking like an old curved palmstick. It is not
[2:55:21] Speaker 1: for the Sun to catch up with the moon, nor
[2:55:23] Speaker 1: does the night run out the day. Each is traveling
[2:55:26] Speaker 1: in an orbit of their own. So the general I
[2:55:29] Speaker 1: do here is that the Sun and the Moon are
[2:55:31] Speaker 1: both orbiting the Earth.
[2:55:35] Speaker 9: Yeah, but wouldn't you say that's pretty miraculous a book
[2:55:38] Speaker 9: on four hundred years ago before? Back then it was
[2:55:43] Speaker 9: just in the well, what would you say is wrong
[2:55:47] Speaker 9: with about it?
[2:55:48] Speaker 1: The Sun is not orbiting the Earth. So this is
[2:55:56] Speaker 1: describing the Sun and the Moon as essentially like moving
[2:56:00] Speaker 1: it in sync with each other in orbit, which is
[2:56:03] Speaker 1: why the day and the night are separated. For the
[2:56:08] Speaker 1: Sun to not catch up with the moon. They're depicting
[2:56:11] Speaker 1: two bodies orbiting the Earth.
[2:56:15] Speaker 9: Okay, I get, I can see I guess I could
[2:56:19] Speaker 9: see your perspective. But the reason I guess this is
[2:56:21] Speaker 9: one of Also the one of the verses I found,
[2:56:23] Speaker 9: like proof that a human couldn't have came up with
[2:56:25] Speaker 9: this is because we didn't have telescopes back then, we
[2:56:28] Speaker 9: didn't have people thought back then the Earth was the
[2:56:30] Speaker 9: center of the universe. So that's why just the fact
[2:56:35] Speaker 9: it's describing orbits, it's describing phases of the moon. That's
[2:56:39] Speaker 9: really that's kind of what made me realize this is one.
[2:56:41] Speaker 9: By the way, I can give you like ten different
[2:56:43] Speaker 9: scientific miracles in the Koran that.
[2:56:46] Speaker 1: Aren't they're definitely already any of those. Also, like again,
[2:56:51] Speaker 1: it describes the Earth as being flat and the sky
[2:56:54] Speaker 1: being a flat plane above it. So we find again
[2:56:59] Speaker 1: in yah Sin the sky was raised high and the
[2:57:02] Speaker 1: mountains were firmly set up, and the earth how it
[2:57:05] Speaker 1: was leveled out, And it talks about like the sky
[2:57:09] Speaker 1: being raised up like a like a bed over top
[2:57:11] Speaker 1: of the Earth. I mean it well, just like the Bible,
[2:57:15] Speaker 1: just like everybody else in the ancient world other than
[2:57:17] Speaker 1: the Greeks. The Greeks had it figured out. I believe
[2:57:21] Speaker 1: that the Earth was flat and that there was a
[2:57:23] Speaker 1: flat sky above it, and that the Sun and the
[2:57:25] Speaker 1: Moon orbited the Earth.
[2:57:28] Speaker 9: Well, I think by leveled out it means like, so
[2:57:30] Speaker 9: when we're walking on Earth, it's it is flat for us,
[2:57:33] Speaker 9: if you know what I mean. But if you zoom out,
[2:57:35] Speaker 9: it didn't.
[2:57:36] Speaker 1: Say flat in comparison, it says leveled out.
[2:57:40] Speaker 9: Yeah, so that's fine, but it's but it's not saying
[2:57:44] Speaker 9: either one, you know what I mean. It's so I
[2:57:45] Speaker 9: could argue that it's tough because.
[2:57:47] Speaker 1: It was leveled out. What's level about our earth?
[2:57:51] Speaker 9: Well, I'm saying, like, so you're standing outside. Let's say
[2:57:54] Speaker 9: you're standing outside, right, you look around, it is flat.
[2:57:57] Speaker 9: And but I'm saying, if you zoom out.
[2:57:59] Speaker 1: Like flat, I live in Ohio, if you live in
[2:58:02] Speaker 1: the mountains, if you live in Appalachia, not flat.
[2:58:06] Speaker 9: That's fair. But it also talks about mountains too. But
[2:58:09] Speaker 9: I'm saying, I feel like from this verse, you can't
[2:58:12] Speaker 9: really say the whole earth is just flat, you know
[2:58:14] Speaker 9: what I mean. I think it's talking about from the
[2:58:16] Speaker 9: perspective of human the earth feels like leveled out for
[2:58:20] Speaker 9: you to walk on. So whether it's a mountain or flat,
[2:58:22] Speaker 9: it's you can still walk if.
[2:58:25] Speaker 7: You know, especially since we have a right I thought,
[2:58:33] Speaker 7: especially since we have the companions of the Perfect directly
[2:58:36] Speaker 7: mentioning that the Earth is on the black of a whale,
[2:58:45] Speaker 7: so they don't work with a group. And also the
[2:58:48] Speaker 7: Kurandas don't say that the Earth is orbiting anything. It
[2:58:50] Speaker 7: is the day and the night and the sun and
[2:58:52] Speaker 7: the moon are orbiting. And also looking up in the
[2:58:56] Speaker 7: scully and seeing that things move and that the moon
[2:58:59] Speaker 7: has phases is ridiculous.
[2:59:05] Speaker 9: Sorry, is this a video or something? Or is this
[2:59:07] Speaker 9: someone else in the.
[2:59:10] Speaker 7: Oh?
[2:59:14] Speaker 1: Okay, sorry you might not. I mean you can see
[2:59:18] Speaker 1: my screen, right, yeah?
[2:59:20] Speaker 9: Yeah, I just see you though. I just see you.
[2:59:22] Speaker 9: I don't see anyone else.
[2:59:23] Speaker 1: You don't see Christina, No, no, I just see you.
[2:59:27] Speaker 1: You just see me?
[2:59:28] Speaker 7: Yes?
[2:59:29] Speaker 1: Oh I see why that is the case. Yeah, never mind,
[2:59:32] Speaker 1: I'll worry about that later.
[2:59:33] Speaker 5: Okay.
[2:59:33] Speaker 9: So let's say you guys don't agree with these verses.
[2:59:35] Speaker 9: That's totally fine, but can also it does also talk about,
[2:59:39] Speaker 9: for example, embryology, So how a baby is formed in
[2:59:42] Speaker 9: the well, Well, have you guys heard of Keith Moore,
[2:59:49] Speaker 9: who was a Christian doctor and.
[2:59:58] Speaker 7: And what what do you mean by paid to go
[3:00:00] Speaker 7: to Sudi? Yeah, he was. He was paid to go
[3:00:03] Speaker 7: to Saudi Arabia to gift talks about the coronic miracles
[3:00:06] Speaker 7: of embryology. When he describes the verses, he's given a
[3:00:09] Speaker 7: very obviously horrible translation of the Arabic number one number two.
[3:00:13] Speaker 7: When he was asked about these verses, he said that
[3:00:16] Speaker 7: he has no doubt that a human couldn't have been
[3:00:18] Speaker 7: able to come up with these verses, so it must
[3:00:21] Speaker 7: have come from God. And then he was this in
[3:00:22] Speaker 7: the same breath. So are you going to join his Lam?
[3:00:24] Speaker 9: He said no, So who does well, he died as
[3:00:28] Speaker 9: a Christian. But essentially why I was.
[3:00:29] Speaker 7: Just worry would somebody say that he is certain that
[3:00:33] Speaker 7: this came from God and then refused to join the religion.
[3:00:39] Speaker 9: That's a great question.
[3:00:40] Speaker 4: I don't know.
[3:00:40] Speaker 9: I would love to ask him by Unfortunately.
[3:00:43] Speaker 7: Because he thought we can get to the substance of
[3:00:46] Speaker 7: the you can get to the substance of the information
[3:00:49] Speaker 7: itself and the where the claim of the chron mix
[3:00:53] Speaker 7: every single stuff is incorrect.
[3:00:56] Speaker 9: Okay, which I disagree respectfully. Again, I'm totally I respect
[3:01:00] Speaker 9: your guys every well, because I haven't looked at the
[3:01:05] Speaker 9: evidence that he was paid. I haven't looked at that,
[3:01:08] Speaker 9: you know, I'm just being honest. Maybe he was, maybe
[3:01:10] Speaker 9: he wasn't. So that's something I'm going to listen to
[3:01:12] Speaker 9: any more.
[3:01:13] Speaker 7: Because my point was we can skip the whole like
[3:01:17] Speaker 7: apew to authority and stick to the actual text itself
[3:01:21] Speaker 7: when it describes and realogy. Every single stip is idiotic.
[3:01:25] Speaker 9: Okay, that's totally fine. If you believe that, that's totally fine.
[3:01:28] Speaker 9: That's it can get doctor do you want to hear
[3:01:33] Speaker 9: his reason why, sure, yeah, I'm sure. Well, yeah, I'm
[3:01:37] Speaker 9: curious why you think about the clinging clot part, because
[3:01:40] Speaker 9: I've heard that's also like when, for example, spermshell attaches
[3:01:43] Speaker 9: to the egg. It is exactly like a clean.
[3:01:45] Speaker 7: Is talking about. It is just looking about the stage
[3:01:49] Speaker 7: of the clinging clote, and the clinging cloth is described
[3:01:52] Speaker 7: as the stage between forty days to eighty days by
[3:01:54] Speaker 7: the profit. The profit further expends on the divers in
[3:01:58] Speaker 7: which he says that the first the first stage, which
[3:02:00] Speaker 7: is the note of a stage, is between the days
[3:02:03] Speaker 7: of zero to footy, which is the collection of sperm
[3:02:05] Speaker 7: in the womb. So for the first forty days of embryology,
[3:02:09] Speaker 7: the mbo is just a collection of semen in the
[3:02:11] Speaker 7: mother's zoom, and then it turns into a congealed piece
[3:02:15] Speaker 7: of blood for forty days. The cleaning the cleaning clot,
[3:02:18] Speaker 7: according to the school, is and every single translation that
[3:02:21] Speaker 7: is actually valid for interpretation, that is valid of the Kuran,
[3:02:25] Speaker 7: And according to the companions of the prove it, this
[3:02:27] Speaker 7: is looking about blood. It is not looking about the
[3:02:29] Speaker 7: cleaning clot. So this is the semen is atning to
[3:02:35] Speaker 7: I think it is every single scholars dostncy, every single.
[3:02:42] Speaker 9: I've never heard of scholar say that. Every every scholar
[3:02:45] Speaker 9: I've heard has said that specifically mentioned.
[3:02:47] Speaker 7: Schools that you're looking at. Which is color? Have you read?
[3:02:53] Speaker 9: I muphti mank is a big one.
[3:02:57] Speaker 4: Color for his lm.
[3:03:02] Speaker 9: Okay, that's fine. I mean, I you have your release.
[3:03:07] Speaker 9: I can't if you're you know, I can't.
[3:03:08] Speaker 7: Argue what I tell you. I'm looking what I'm telling you,
[3:03:11] Speaker 7: I'm looking for schoolers. I'm looking for, for example, a
[3:03:14] Speaker 7: person who would be equivalent to a pool of Christianity
[3:03:17] Speaker 7: or somebody who's equivalent to like the Pook. So I'm
[3:03:20] Speaker 7: looking to people like keeping cathed et cetera. Those are
[3:03:23] Speaker 7: schoolers of his slim. When you bring me a YouTube
[3:03:25] Speaker 7: a YouTube podcaster and use him as a reference, that
[3:03:29] Speaker 7: is simply I'm just gonna discount him completely. Because when
[3:03:32] Speaker 7: we go to the clinsical Schoolaris and the companions of
[3:03:34] Speaker 7: the profit, they tell us different things.
[3:03:37] Speaker 1: Yeah so, and I don't want to dealally conversation but
[3:03:40] Speaker 1: a mere like I went to school to study the
[3:03:42] Speaker 1: Bible professionally, but I'm not a fucking scholar. I've got
[3:03:44] Speaker 1: a master's degree. A scholar is someone who like spent
[3:03:47] Speaker 1: their life studying this some some yeah, some guy on
[3:03:51] Speaker 1: YouTube is not a scholar, even if he got like
[3:03:53] Speaker 1: an undergraduate degree in something.
[3:03:56] Speaker 9: Okay, Okay, I see you guys's point, and this is
[3:03:59] Speaker 9: something I'll look into more, I guess. So let's say
[3:04:03] Speaker 9: you guys don't accept these sign These are just a few.
[3:04:06] Speaker 9: There's others. And there's some prophecies of the future in
[3:04:08] Speaker 9: the Koran where it talks about some things that happened
[3:04:11] Speaker 9: in the future and they have so yeah, so for example,
[3:04:18] Speaker 9: there's so there's the Romans and I think it was
[3:04:24] Speaker 9: there was this war.
[3:04:26] Speaker 1: He's getting all the usual suspects in Hey, amir, do
[3:04:31] Speaker 1: you live in the Western world.
[3:04:33] Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, I'm in I'm in middle of the US.
[3:04:35] Speaker 9: I don't want to say exactly where, but yeah.
[3:04:37] Speaker 1: Well yeah, I recognize your your American accent. Like, were
[3:04:43] Speaker 1: these the talking points that convinced you to be a Muslim?
[3:04:48] Speaker 4: Uh?
[3:04:48] Speaker 8: So?
[3:04:48] Speaker 9: The main thing was actually just the simplicity. It says,
[3:04:51] Speaker 9: we believe in all the prophets, so we don't believe
[3:04:53] Speaker 9: Jesus was God because Christianity really appealed to me. But
[3:04:56] Speaker 9: I couldn't get over that a man could be God.
[3:04:59] Speaker 9: And then even in the Bible, well, Jesus himself praise
[3:05:01] Speaker 9: Jesus himself says, the Father is greater than I. Jesus
[3:05:05] Speaker 9: himself says, don't call me good. No one is good
[3:05:07] Speaker 9: but God alone. So I believe there's a creator, right,
[3:05:10] Speaker 9: Islam's Islam simply says worship this creator. This creator sent
[3:05:14] Speaker 9: us prophets. He sent Jesus, Moses, Abraham, all the way
[3:05:17] Speaker 9: back to Adam, and they all came with the same message.
[3:05:20] Speaker 9: But the messages have been corrupted over time. So for example,
[3:05:24] Speaker 9: at the time of Moses, the Torah was the truth.
[3:05:27] Speaker 9: At the time of Jesus, we know the backstory. The
[3:05:30] Speaker 9: question is what convinced you to.
[3:05:31] Speaker 1: Become a Muslim?
[3:05:33] Speaker 9: Basically that so it says it's simply worship the Creator.
[3:05:36] Speaker 9: There's all these prophets, and there's this final book that came. Yeah, exactly.
[3:05:43] Speaker 9: But then when vibes, is.
[3:05:46] Speaker 1: It possible that both Christianity all three, that Christianity, Judaism,
[3:05:51] Speaker 1: and Islam, that all three of them are wrong?
[3:05:52] Speaker 9: Is that possible? So so I don't think I think
[3:06:00] Speaker 9: Islam is the truth, But can I.
[3:06:02] Speaker 1: Explain what my question was, is it possible that all
[3:06:05] Speaker 1: three Abrahamic religions are wrong?
[3:06:09] Speaker 9: Yes, it's possible, Yes, it is possible. I just don't
[3:06:11] Speaker 9: believe that Islam is false, that's yeah.
[3:06:14] Speaker 1: So I haven't heard a reason yet to believe that
[3:06:18] Speaker 1: Islam is true, and I actually know a lot of
[3:06:20] Speaker 1: reasons to believe that it's not true.
[3:06:24] Speaker 9: Yeah, okay, so I guess. So the main thing that also,
[3:06:27] Speaker 9: I guess really made me believe in it is it
[3:06:30] Speaker 9: says at the time of Jesus, Jesus got the message
[3:06:33] Speaker 9: and that was the truth, but men corrupted it, for example,
[3:06:36] Speaker 9: and then they this final prophet came and then yeah,
[3:06:38] Speaker 9: there's the Koran. Right, So then okay, if that yeah,
[3:06:44] Speaker 9: so that's what I'm That's what I'm getting to. I
[3:06:46] Speaker 9: asked myself the same question, if this book is truly
[3:06:48] Speaker 9: from God? Right, I always believe in a creator, but
[3:06:50] Speaker 9: I thought religion was man made. But then I said,
[3:06:53] Speaker 9: if this Koran is truly from God, there has to
[3:06:55] Speaker 9: be evidence for it. And I know you guys disagree
[3:06:58] Speaker 9: with a lot of those scientific evidence says, but there's
[3:07:00] Speaker 9: also a lot of scholars that say that these these
[3:07:04] Speaker 9: are actually accurate and that's not all. That's not the
[3:07:07] Speaker 9: only evidence.
[3:07:08] Speaker 1: But you haven't demonstrated that yet.
[3:07:11] Speaker 9: But us the two I talked about, you guys both
[3:07:19] Speaker 9: disagree with and you guys, which is fine.
[3:07:23] Speaker 7: Which you're talking about the guy who made the pink.
[3:07:26] Speaker 9: Con Okay, let's say that's fine.
[3:07:30] Speaker 4: You guys, don't.
[3:07:32] Speaker 7: You know you do realize? Like I don't know how
[3:07:36] Speaker 7: long have you been Moslam for.
[3:07:38] Speaker 9: Like six months?
[3:07:41] Speaker 7: Okay? Do you do you know any of the controversy
[3:07:43] Speaker 7: with move He wished two noises and pink Islam. He
[3:07:47] Speaker 7: literally made the pink kron and removed all of the
[3:07:50] Speaker 7: verses about the unliving people.
[3:07:53] Speaker 9: Well, I I I know there's verses about unalliving people,
[3:07:56] Speaker 9: but they're in the context.
[3:07:57] Speaker 7: Way would he when you're being attacked your to that,
[3:08:01] Speaker 7: I'm not looking about that, w would you remove it?
[3:08:04] Speaker 7: I didn't know that was true.
[3:08:08] Speaker 9: I didn't know that was true.
[3:08:10] Speaker 7: The next guy, Muslim Lintern, Just can you do me
[3:08:12] Speaker 7: a favor. Just look at Muslim Lenter. He's literally cue
[3:08:17] Speaker 7: Muslim Linter, like Green Lintern, but Muslim Lenttern. This is
[3:08:21] Speaker 7: supposed to be a scholar.
[3:08:23] Speaker 9: I watched him a lot. I watched him a lot.
[3:08:27] Speaker 7: Muslim, like the word Muslim, Muslim.
[3:08:30] Speaker 9: Lantern, Muslim lantern, Muslim lantern.
[3:08:34] Speaker 1: Yeah, we got it. Yeah, he's got a half a
[3:08:37] Speaker 1: million followers.
[3:08:38] Speaker 7: Like these are influencers scholars.
[3:08:41] Speaker 1: Yeah, this a just social media influence.
[3:08:43] Speaker 9: But but sir, but sir, why why do you Why
[3:08:46] Speaker 9: do you say? Because I think he considers himself a
[3:08:49] Speaker 9: scholar because he's he's studied a lot.
[3:08:51] Speaker 7: He's stupid.
[3:08:54] Speaker 1: So okay, let me let me tell you, Like what
[3:08:56] Speaker 1: makes a scholar scholar?
[3:08:58] Speaker 12: Right?
[3:08:58] Speaker 1: So for example, like you can study something a lot,
[3:09:01] Speaker 1: but that doesn't mean you know anything about dick. Right, So,
[3:09:04] Speaker 1: for example, like a scholar in the field of biblical
[3:09:07] Speaker 1: studies is somebody who's completed their undergraduate, their master's degree,
[3:09:11] Speaker 1: and their PhD. That that's when you get to call
[3:09:13] Speaker 1: yourself a scholar. Now, to be sure, I know nine
[3:09:19] Speaker 1: percent more than any Christian influencer on YouTube, I'm still
[3:09:24] Speaker 1: not a scholar because I didn't do my PhD. Just
[3:09:27] Speaker 1: like you don't get to be a medical doctor until
[3:09:29] Speaker 1: you finish your MD. Like, there are requirements to call
[3:09:33] Speaker 1: yourself a scholar in the actual the way it's used academically. Now,
[3:09:38] Speaker 1: if you just think anyone that studies a book for
[3:09:40] Speaker 1: a long time as a scholar. Then reality is anyone's
[3:09:44] Speaker 1: a scholar. Fuck m's a Muslim scholar.
[3:09:48] Speaker 7: So it doesn't work like that. So you wouldn't you
[3:09:51] Speaker 7: wouldn't become a schooler when you get your PhD A schoolers,
[3:09:54] Speaker 7: there's like a hierarchy of like long eligible people with
[3:10:00] Speaker 7: you people you schoolers, there's students of knowledge and then
[3:10:03] Speaker 7: they troop. You have like a hindful of people across
[3:10:06] Speaker 7: the globe and we alll of them know each other.
[3:10:09] Speaker 7: They acquitted each other as being schoolers of this era.
[3:10:13] Speaker 1: It's like it's more like rabbinic training.
[3:10:18] Speaker 9: I wouldn't know that makes sense, Can I please? You
[3:10:22] Speaker 9: guys have from other evidences that unrelated to the science part,
[3:10:26] Speaker 9: maybe one or two more.
[3:10:27] Speaker 1: Pick pick your strongest one.
[3:10:32] Speaker 9: So the Quran has a challenge in it, which I'm
[3:10:34] Speaker 9: sure you guys, since you guys seem familiar with the Kuran.
[3:10:37] Speaker 9: It says, and this is for the Arabic version, if
[3:10:40] Speaker 9: if you believe this book is not from God, then
[3:10:42] Speaker 9: produce one chapter like it. And what does that mean?
[3:10:46] Speaker 9: What does that mean?
[3:10:47] Speaker 5: Right?
[3:10:47] Speaker 9: Because there has to be a criteria for that. When
[3:10:50] Speaker 9: when the Koran was revealed in Arabic people, it's like
[3:10:54] Speaker 9: me telling you to write a book in English, but
[3:10:56] Speaker 9: don't use English grammar. That's that's similar to how the
[3:10:59] Speaker 9: Koran was revealed. So the top Arabic poets at the time,
[3:11:03] Speaker 9: when they saw this read this Quran, they said, this
[3:11:06] Speaker 9: has to either be witchcraft or it has to be
[3:11:08] Speaker 9: from a divine origin from the creator because we But yeah,
[3:11:16] Speaker 9: so that's fine. But my problem with this discussion is
[3:11:19] Speaker 9: everything everything I brought, you're just saying it hasn't happened.
[3:11:22] Speaker 9: But you're not getting me. I would like sources to
[3:11:28] Speaker 9: If you simply google everything I've said, you'll find a
[3:11:30] Speaker 9: hundred sources that agree with you.
[3:11:32] Speaker 7: You will get the isliam excuses that I can give you,
[3:11:35] Speaker 7: for example, the name of the the example you give
[3:11:39] Speaker 7: for example. But he said, waiting an English book without
[3:11:41] Speaker 7: using English grammar, it was gonna play. It isn't what's happened.
[3:11:45] Speaker 9: It was similar. It was just me trying to explain
[3:11:49] Speaker 9: how miraculous just the way the Quran was written at
[3:11:52] Speaker 9: the time, the top so essentially the top Arabic couldn't
[3:11:57] Speaker 9: reproduce it, and it introduced new words, new words to
[3:12:01] Speaker 9: the without without explaining what the words meant. They knew
[3:12:06] Speaker 9: what what they meant.
[3:12:08] Speaker 7: There is no title twist no, because we have Have
[3:12:11] Speaker 7: you read them.
[3:12:19] Speaker 9: Well before you refute my argument? Do you agree that
[3:12:22] Speaker 9: you're just telling me no, this is wrong when you're.
[3:12:25] Speaker 7: Getting I'm giving you okay, please repeat it.
[3:12:29] Speaker 9: So I can write it down because I'm really okay.
[3:12:35] Speaker 9: I will definitely into it after, but you you have
[3:12:38] Speaker 9: to also.
[3:12:40] Speaker 7: Just get I finished my point. Yeah, if you sush,
[3:12:47] Speaker 7: what do you mean sush? The names of the lawyer?
[3:12:52] Speaker 1: How do you spell that?
[3:12:55] Speaker 7: Just the word died out? I wouldn't know how specifically
[3:12:57] Speaker 7: spilited English just and then the liar it should pop up.
[3:13:08] Speaker 1: Yeah, we got it, Mussilama the liar. Okay, Islamic center, Okay,
[3:13:13] Speaker 1: it says a design blah blah.
[3:13:16] Speaker 11: What about him?
[3:13:18] Speaker 7: So this is the guy who at the same time
[3:13:20] Speaker 7: of the like when the prophet was claiming divinity, this
[3:13:23] Speaker 7: guy came up and he said, I to receiving revelation
[3:13:26] Speaker 7: from God, I too have revelation in the in the
[3:13:30] Speaker 7: form of a book. And he started reciting to them
[3:13:32] Speaker 7: full revelation and a lot of Buslims believed him to
[3:13:36] Speaker 7: be a prophet alongside Muhammad, which is why. But and
[3:13:39] Speaker 7: he claimed that Mohamed was a true prophet, but Muhammad
[3:13:41] Speaker 7: claim that he was a liar. So they would go
[3:13:44] Speaker 7: and they would bettle, and the prophet would message him
[3:13:47] Speaker 7: like send him a litter saying to Busalem with a
[3:13:49] Speaker 7: liar from the prophet of a law, and then Musialim
[3:13:51] Speaker 7: would send him a literay saying to the prophet of
[3:13:53] Speaker 7: a law, from the prophet of a law. And they
[3:13:56] Speaker 7: would literally just give revelation back and forth to each other.
[3:13:59] Speaker 7: And then it did with the profect living given bettle.
[3:14:04] Speaker 5: Okay, but.
[3:14:07] Speaker 7: We have an example of a giving you verses in
[3:14:10] Speaker 7: which he claims he got it from the same source alone,
[3:14:12] Speaker 7: and then people believing it.
[3:14:16] Speaker 9: Okay, but has has his his uh his what he said,
[3:14:20] Speaker 9: It doesn't hold up and is on today. Nobody believes
[3:14:22] Speaker 9: what Musliyama said. And how's that relevant? How's that relevant
[3:14:28] Speaker 9: to my argument?
[3:14:30] Speaker 7: He produced he produced again revolution in which it gives
[3:14:35] Speaker 7: people to believe he was also a profet from alone.
[3:14:39] Speaker 9: That's fine, anyone can say that, but you have to
[3:14:41] Speaker 9: test them. Okay, if you're a prophet from God, then
[3:14:43] Speaker 9: give me the evidence and the evidence.
[3:14:45] Speaker 1: We're not questioning whether he was a prophet. Follow along
[3:14:48] Speaker 1: real quick, amr. The problem is that the Koran says
[3:14:52] Speaker 1: that it's not possible to produce anything like it. But
[3:14:55] Speaker 1: this guy Musilama did produce something like the Koran and
[3:14:59] Speaker 1: was successful and convincing some people that he was a prophet,
[3:15:03] Speaker 1: which means the passage from Kuran ten thirty seven's true.
[3:15:06] Speaker 9: He didn't but gout. But guys, he didn't produce something
[3:15:10] Speaker 9: like the Koran, because what's the difference.
[3:15:13] Speaker 1: It was enough to pool people.
[3:15:16] Speaker 9: That's fine, but a lot of other a lot of
[3:15:19] Speaker 9: other people have fooled people too. It's not just this guy.
[3:15:25] Speaker 9: Well I'm saying, uh, why would you guys even take
[3:15:27] Speaker 9: this criteria?
[3:15:29] Speaker 1: What's the criteria to produce something like the Quran?
[3:15:34] Speaker 9: Yes, so it's to match an exact structure in Arabic,
[3:15:40] Speaker 9: also provide revelation, so grammatical structure.
[3:15:43] Speaker 1: So it's like, what is that to be an Arabic?
[3:15:49] Speaker 9: Well, that's the original revelation that came.
[3:15:53] Speaker 1: He didn't say something in my language is something like
[3:15:56] Speaker 1: the Quran, which means like yes, although Emerson, do you
[3:16:01] Speaker 1: see the chron is an errand is it?
[3:16:03] Speaker 2: No?
[3:16:03] Speaker 9: The Quran is in Arabic.
[3:16:04] Speaker 7: That's I think.
[3:16:05] Speaker 1: That's yeah, you can produce something like the Koran without
[3:16:08] Speaker 1: it being in the same language. Like there have been
[3:16:10] Speaker 1: books produced like the Bible that weren't in fact in
[3:16:13] Speaker 1: the same language the Bible.
[3:16:15] Speaker 9: But that's my point.
[3:16:17] Speaker 11: The America and then.
[3:16:22] Speaker 7: Like the word kurna like from the virus.
[3:16:26] Speaker 9: Okay, but yeah, but answer to answer your question.
[3:16:32] Speaker 7: It is hlirious to.
[3:16:34] Speaker 9: Answer your question justin The reason is because part of
[3:16:37] Speaker 9: the miracle was only in Arabic. When you translate it
[3:16:39] Speaker 9: to English, for example, the grammatical structure isn't as uh like, isn't.
[3:16:44] Speaker 1: As much of the like what do we care about grammar,
[3:16:46] Speaker 1: because like Greek grammar has got to be one of
[3:16:49] Speaker 1: the period in any of the Semitic grammars.
[3:16:51] Speaker 9: That well, that's just one of their criteria. There's others.
[3:16:54] Speaker 1: But the structure we care about Greek or Arabic grammar.
[3:17:00] Speaker 9: Well, because uh no, no one who speaks Arabic writes
[3:17:05] Speaker 9: like the kron or speak. It's like I said, back
[3:17:07] Speaker 9: to my act.
[3:17:08] Speaker 1: It was probably written in some sort of outdated, goofy structure.
[3:17:16] Speaker 9: It's me telling you to write English. But wait, but
[3:17:20] Speaker 9: can I just answer justin real quick before. Uh, it's
[3:17:24] Speaker 9: like me telling you justin like can you write me
[3:17:26] Speaker 9: a book? But don't use Common English grammar, don't use verbs,
[3:17:30] Speaker 9: don't use nouns. But still make it make sense, still
[3:17:33] Speaker 9: make it have revelation about the future. We can still
[3:17:36] Speaker 9: give guidance all in one.
[3:17:37] Speaker 4: It doesn't.
[3:17:38] Speaker 1: It doesn't have any of that. It doesn't say anything
[3:17:40] Speaker 1: about the future. That's novel.
[3:17:44] Speaker 9: There's a few you can you can ask somebody to
[3:17:46] Speaker 9: google it or ask ai. There is a lot of things.
[3:17:48] Speaker 1: Now, I've talked to one hundred apologists before you me
[3:17:51] Speaker 1: or not a single one of them has a single
[3:17:53] Speaker 1: piece of evidence that it predicted anything. Novel? Uh, why
[3:18:00] Speaker 1: you can't find me?
[3:18:01] Speaker 9: I respectfully discone find me one? Do you want an
[3:18:05] Speaker 9: actual verse? Or because I was trying to bring one
[3:18:08] Speaker 9: up earlier and you guys perfuded it about the work world?
[3:18:10] Speaker 1: One about Rome?
[3:18:11] Speaker 9: Yeah, so Prophet Mohammad at the time was a guy
[3:18:14] Speaker 9: in the desert, illiterate. He said the Romans will be
[3:18:22] Speaker 9: based on just narrations and hadis so just information.
[3:18:28] Speaker 7: He was the hadits do say that he was litt.
[3:18:32] Speaker 9: Well, let's say even he could speak Uh, even if
[3:18:35] Speaker 9: he could read and write, I still don't believe a
[3:18:38] Speaker 9: human could have came up with this book.
[3:18:40] Speaker 4: Why can I finish?
[3:18:42] Speaker 1: There's nothing special about it. It says all kinds of
[3:18:44] Speaker 1: false things about the world. It looks like a collection
[3:18:48] Speaker 1: of texts from people living in the fifth or the
[3:18:50] Speaker 1: sixth century that tried to put together a holy book,
[3:18:53] Speaker 1: and they fucked up science all along the way.
[3:18:56] Speaker 9: Well, can I just go over the one of the
[3:18:58] Speaker 9: prophecies in it that you came the Crown thirty verse
[3:19:03] Speaker 9: two and three essentially, Yeah, so, uh, chapter thirty, verse
[3:19:08] Speaker 9: two through four. How, by the way, at that time,
[3:19:11] Speaker 9: the Persians were literally down to a final city. The
[3:19:14] Speaker 9: Romans were in one city. The Persians had so much
[3:19:17] Speaker 9: land they had a whole army. So at the time,
[3:19:19] Speaker 9: anyone logical could not have said that Romans will come
[3:19:22] Speaker 9: back and beat the Persians. And not only not only
[3:19:24] Speaker 9: did they say that, it was also a time bound prophecy.
[3:19:27] Speaker 9: So he said within three to seven years that the
[3:19:30] Speaker 9: Romans will come back and be the Persians, and that happened.
[3:19:36] Speaker 7: In a few years.
[3:19:38] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[3:19:39] Speaker 9: The word, the word in Arabic was specifically three to
[3:19:42] Speaker 9: seven years. The word in Arabic was specifically no.
[3:19:45] Speaker 1: It's certainly not three years. So the translation from chron
[3:19:49] Speaker 1: dot com says three to nine. And also M's is
[3:19:52] Speaker 1: a native Arabic speaker.
[3:19:54] Speaker 9: Sorry, three to nine, three to nine. Sorry, that's what
[3:19:57] Speaker 9: I didn't mean.
[3:19:57] Speaker 4: Three seven.
[3:19:58] Speaker 1: There's a there's a foot note on this probably says
[3:20:01] Speaker 1: something opposite what he said, so, and what is it
[3:20:05] Speaker 1: actually saying?
[3:20:07] Speaker 4: So?
[3:20:08] Speaker 7: Uh, the whole idea of like this was unpredictable. Sure,
[3:20:12] Speaker 7: even grinting that, even if I granted completely, we have,
[3:20:16] Speaker 7: for example, the guy who literally goes every election you're
[3:20:18] Speaker 7: predicting the president. He literally has predicted the presidents as
[3:20:21] Speaker 7: the seventies every single time. With not we do fail.
[3:20:25] Speaker 7: There's an example of somebody giving prophecy. Are we're gonna
[3:20:27] Speaker 7: call him, no way, a profect from God?
[3:20:29] Speaker 9: You know, Okay, but this is one hundreds, which is
[3:20:32] Speaker 9: one versus one prophecy to them.
[3:20:34] Speaker 7: We're going to get to them, We're going to get
[3:20:36] Speaker 7: to them. There are thousands with that. There are thousands
[3:20:38] Speaker 7: of prophecies and hundreds of thousands of hoodie that feel.
[3:20:43] Speaker 9: Okay, But also you have to know there's authenticated had
[3:20:46] Speaker 9: these and not not authenticated?
[3:20:48] Speaker 7: How these are teaching me the religion I've been for
[3:20:51] Speaker 7: like over two decades.
[3:20:53] Speaker 9: So you're you're an aximal zoon.
[3:20:56] Speaker 7: Speak Arabic again, So why experience fine fine calids? The
[3:21:08] Speaker 7: proofs their claims.
[3:21:10] Speaker 9: I'm gonna take I'm going to take your I've written
[3:21:13] Speaker 9: down some notes. I'm going to take your sources and
[3:21:16] Speaker 9: research them.
[3:21:17] Speaker 2: All.
[3:21:17] Speaker 9: I'm saying if you simply google.
[3:21:23] Speaker 1: Before we do that. Let's not move on from the
[3:21:25] Speaker 1: Rome talking point. This is the Roman Empire in the
[3:21:27] Speaker 1: sixth century during the Persian conflict. How how are the
[3:21:31] Speaker 1: Persians gonna defeat Rome?
[3:21:35] Speaker 9: So essentially, the Persians were down to a final city
[3:21:38] Speaker 9: where the Romans were in. They had so much land. Basically,
[3:21:41] Speaker 9: anyone logical looking at this what said, that's it. The
[3:21:44] Speaker 9: Romans are done. The Romans are done. Because we'll just
[3:21:48] Speaker 9: think about it.
[3:21:49] Speaker 1: If you have, if you're live, why would they say
[3:21:52] Speaker 1: that the Romans are done. They're still the largest empire
[3:21:55] Speaker 1: in the world.
[3:21:56] Speaker 9: But at that time the Persians had taken over most
[3:21:59] Speaker 9: of their land and the surround it.
[3:22:01] Speaker 1: They had not No, they did not.
[3:22:08] Speaker 5: Well.
[3:22:09] Speaker 1: Uh so I don't know who told you this, but
[3:22:12] Speaker 1: this is not the case. In fact, there are there
[3:22:15] Speaker 1: narrations from this time period going all the way back
[3:22:18] Speaker 1: about how the Roman Empire was bordering the Mohammedians and
[3:22:25] Speaker 1: how they forcefully converted, forcefully baptized some of the Mohammedians. Like,
[3:22:31] Speaker 1: the Roman Empire was gigantic at this time period, and
[3:22:34] Speaker 1: the the Islamic people of the world had no chance
[3:22:39] Speaker 1: against their holy Roman Empire.
[3:22:40] Speaker 7: It was huge, by the way, the proof it almost
[3:22:44] Speaker 7: went to a battle with Romans.
[3:22:48] Speaker 9: Okay, I'll research it, because this is the stuff I've
[3:22:51] Speaker 9: been told about this, so I'll look into.
[3:22:53] Speaker 7: That problem though you're listening to stuff and not realitating them.
[3:22:57] Speaker 1: Yeah, So here's what here's what I want to tell you.
[3:22:59] Speaker 3: A mire.
[3:22:59] Speaker 1: So, I used to be a Christian. I used to
[3:23:01] Speaker 1: be doing like the type of apologetics that you're doing
[3:23:04] Speaker 1: right now, but for Christianity. And I had talking points
[3:23:07] Speaker 1: that I had heard from pastors and books and media influencers,
[3:23:12] Speaker 1: and I tried to use them in the real world,
[3:23:14] Speaker 1: and then they didn't work because it turns out they
[3:23:16] Speaker 1: were wrong. I trusted people I shouldn't have trusted. And
[3:23:19] Speaker 1: then when I finally did go to higher education and
[3:23:21] Speaker 1: learn for myself, it turned out that there was no
[3:23:24] Speaker 1: good reason to believe that the Bible was divine. You're
[3:23:28] Speaker 1: on the same path like you've been told, you're at
[3:23:30] Speaker 1: the beginning of it. You've been told that there's a
[3:23:31] Speaker 1: bunch of magical stuff in this book. You don't know
[3:23:34] Speaker 1: any scholarship yet, you don't know the language, you don't
[3:23:36] Speaker 1: know the history or the culture, and you're believing that
[3:23:39] Speaker 1: the things that you were told were true. You want
[3:23:41] Speaker 1: them to be true, and I get that. The reality is,
[3:23:44] Speaker 1: if you even look a little bit under the like
[3:23:47] Speaker 1: the surface of what you've been told, you're going to
[3:23:49] Speaker 1: find all kinds of problems, which is why some assat
[3:23:52] Speaker 1: on the internet me can just do like a weekend's
[3:23:55] Speaker 1: worth of research and realize how bad these talking points are.
[3:24:00] Speaker 9: Okay, thank you, Yeah, no, I'll look into it. I
[3:24:02] Speaker 9: guess so, I guess what really The simple thing that
[3:24:06] Speaker 9: made me like it was. It simply, let's say, forget
[3:24:09] Speaker 9: about the Koran, forget about the Hadisk, but it simply
[3:24:11] Speaker 9: says worship. There's a one creator that created everything, and
[3:24:14] Speaker 9: worshiped that creator, and that's that's basically what really. Whereas Christianity,
[3:24:19] Speaker 9: I really wanted to convert to Christianity, but one thing
[3:24:22] Speaker 9: I didn't I couldn't accept was that Jesus was a man.
[3:24:25] Speaker 9: When there's verses because I read the New Testament, Jesus
[3:24:28] Speaker 9: says stuff like the Father is greater than I, et cetera.
[3:24:30] Speaker 9: So I'm guess my question to you guys is, do
[3:24:32] Speaker 9: you guys at least believe that or do you believe
[3:24:34] Speaker 9: Jesus is God? Or do you at least believe that
[3:24:36] Speaker 9: there's a creator of this whole? Like are we here
[3:24:38] Speaker 9: for a purpose? And okay? And Islam also tells us
[3:24:43] Speaker 9: that we're created, this life is a test, we have
[3:24:46] Speaker 9: free will, and then we're going to be judged on
[3:24:48] Speaker 9: judgment days similar to Christianity.
[3:24:51] Speaker 1: Do you, guys the opposite of that? But let me
[3:24:53] Speaker 1: go with my Koran.
[3:24:56] Speaker 7: And the way, why did you everybody's yourself?
[3:25:01] Speaker 9: Sorry one more time? Why did I go?
[3:25:03] Speaker 7: Why did you aroboize yourself?
[3:25:05] Speaker 9: What do you mean by arabis?
[3:25:08] Speaker 7: What do you take on an Arab name?
[3:25:14] Speaker 8: Uh?
[3:25:14] Speaker 9: Take on? This is this is my name? Yeah, this
[3:25:17] Speaker 9: is my I didn't take it on my name?
[3:25:20] Speaker 4: Yeah?
[3:25:20] Speaker 7: Yeah, then I thought you too. Do you know what
[3:25:22] Speaker 7: the meter is in Arabic?
[3:25:24] Speaker 4: Yeah?
[3:25:25] Speaker 5: Yeah I know?
[3:25:25] Speaker 9: Yeah, No, I'm I'm I just I just wasn't raised religious.
[3:25:29] Speaker 9: I just wasn't raised religious.
[3:25:31] Speaker 7: Yeah it used to be so you were moving to
[3:25:33] Speaker 7: Muslim family.
[3:25:35] Speaker 4: No, No, I wasn't. I was.
[3:25:36] Speaker 9: I was not raised religious at all. I always believed
[3:25:39] Speaker 9: in a creator, but I thought religion was a man
[3:25:41] Speaker 9: made Yeah.
[3:25:42] Speaker 7: I thought you whendo you teached your name like six
[3:25:44] Speaker 7: months to need the religion?
[3:25:45] Speaker 1: No, no, no, So mir, I'm only in the third
[3:25:50] Speaker 1: chapter of the Koran, and I've already found three instances
[3:25:55] Speaker 1: where you don't have free will in uh In the
[3:25:57] Speaker 1: very first chapter in uh Uh, verse six, it says
[3:26:02] Speaker 1: God has sealed their hearts and their ears and their
[3:26:05] Speaker 1: eyes are covered. They will have great torment, referring to
[3:26:08] Speaker 1: people who disbelieve because God has sealed their their hearts.
[3:26:14] Speaker 9: But that's not that's not about free will though, That's
[3:26:19] Speaker 9: about just the punishment for the dis.
[3:26:22] Speaker 7: Let him read the verse before.
[3:26:23] Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, verse five. So in verse five, chapter chapter two,
[3:26:27] Speaker 1: you mean sorry, Yeah, that's our chapter two. Yeah yeah,
[3:26:29] Speaker 1: chapter two, chapter two, verse five. As such, people are
[3:26:33] Speaker 1: following their Lord's guidance, and it is they who will prosper.
[3:26:38] Speaker 1: As for those who disbelieve, it makes no difference. Whether
[3:26:41] Speaker 1: you warn them or not, they will not believe God
[3:26:43] Speaker 1: has sealed their hearts and their ears. So he's saying
[3:26:45] Speaker 1: it doesn't matter if you warn these people about Allah.
[3:26:48] Speaker 1: God's already sealed their hearts.
[3:26:51] Speaker 9: Yeah, I've heard this verse two, but again that that's
[3:26:57] Speaker 9: it's just it's so because God is beyond time. He
[3:27:00] Speaker 9: knows what we will choose in the future. That doesn't
[3:27:03] Speaker 9: then he doesn't need to sell your heart.
[3:27:06] Speaker 1: If he already knows that you're not going to come
[3:27:08] Speaker 1: to him, he doesn't have to steal your heart at all.
[3:27:11] Speaker 9: So the terms still your heart just means that like you,
[3:27:14] Speaker 9: you'll never believe in God. Essentially, if your heart is.
[3:27:18] Speaker 7: Doing it says that Good is doing it to you.
[3:27:21] Speaker 7: And it says in another instance that it is not
[3:27:24] Speaker 7: for a soul to believe and this is Good it
[3:27:26] Speaker 7: loves it to believe. That is in another verse of
[3:27:28] Speaker 7: the is that Good has meet people specifically for him,
[3:27:31] Speaker 7: and he's the predestined them to go to him before
[3:27:34] Speaker 7: you even meet them. And the the proof says that
[3:27:36] Speaker 7: the Good decides your actions for you. So who decides
[3:27:40] Speaker 7: the actions It is God.
[3:27:43] Speaker 9: It is one part the action. You can ask scholars
[3:27:50] Speaker 9: this we we.
[3:27:52] Speaker 1: You don't know any scholars, miror we already established that?
[3:27:55] Speaker 4: Yeah, school?
[3:27:57] Speaker 9: Can I can I respond?
[3:27:59] Speaker 7: Can can I bring the Swiss up frist?
[3:28:01] Speaker 4: Yeah?
[3:28:02] Speaker 2: Yeah?
[3:28:02] Speaker 7: What could you two? Await?
[3:28:05] Speaker 9: Can I respond? Please? Can I respond? While you're searching it?
[3:28:10] Speaker 9: Did I hear that?
[3:28:10] Speaker 7: Thirty two West?
[3:28:12] Speaker 11: Yes?
[3:28:13] Speaker 4: Yeah?
[3:28:13] Speaker 1: So In Bcard thirty two, Await says, Allah's messenger to
[3:28:18] Speaker 1: the True and truly Inspired says, the matter of creation
[3:28:22] Speaker 1: of human being is put together in the womb of
[3:28:24] Speaker 1: the mother for forty days, and then he becomes a
[3:28:26] Speaker 1: clot of thick blood for a similar period, then a
[3:28:30] Speaker 1: piece of flesh for a similar period. Then Alas sends
[3:28:32] Speaker 1: an angel who is ordered to write four things. He
[3:28:35] Speaker 1: is ordered to write down his I he the new
[3:28:38] Speaker 1: creature's deeds, his livelihood, his date of death, and whether
[3:28:42] Speaker 1: he will be blessed or wretched in religion. Then the
[3:28:45] Speaker 1: soul is breathed into him, so a man amongst you
[3:28:48] Speaker 1: may do good deeds until there's only one cubit between
[3:28:52] Speaker 1: him and paradise. And then what has been written for
[3:28:54] Speaker 1: him decides his behavior, and he starts doing evil deeds
[3:28:57] Speaker 1: characteristic of the people of hell Fire. And similarly, a
[3:29:00] Speaker 1: man amongst you may do evil deeds until there's only
[3:29:03] Speaker 1: a cubit between him and hell fire. Then what has
[3:29:06] Speaker 1: been written for him decides his behavior, and he starts
[3:29:09] Speaker 1: doing deeds characteristic of the people of Paradise.
[3:29:13] Speaker 9: May I respond? Can I please respond? Just so, this
[3:29:17] Speaker 9: is one thing that actually stopped me from accepting Islam
[3:29:20] Speaker 9: was if everything is written, what's the point of doing anything?
[3:29:23] Speaker 9: But I asked some more not scholars, but more knowledgeable people.
[3:29:26] Speaker 9: They said, just because something is written doesn't mean that
[3:29:30] Speaker 9: your actions. You still have the choice. But since God
[3:29:33] Speaker 9: is beyond time, he knows what you're going to choose.
[3:29:35] Speaker 9: Therefore he writes all the possible paths that you can
[3:29:39] Speaker 9: go down, for example, quantum quantum theory. You can if
[3:29:42] Speaker 9: you choose in one let in this, in this stage
[3:29:45] Speaker 9: of your life, to for example, you're going to be
[3:29:47] Speaker 9: a firefighter or a pilot. Both those paths are written
[3:29:50] Speaker 9: because God is beyond space and time. But you still
[3:29:52] Speaker 9: have the choice. You can choose, So we still have the.
[3:29:57] Speaker 7: Free willis Color has said that, But a single scholar
[3:30:01] Speaker 7: has said that. Even the prophet himself when he was
[3:30:04] Speaker 7: when he met the people we called the people who
[3:30:07] Speaker 7: believe in free will, he told them to hell with you,
[3:30:10] Speaker 7: and I can do you that. The proof it himself
[3:30:13] Speaker 7: tells you that, for example, could you bring up Muslim
[3:30:15] Speaker 7: to six six to see? Yeah, it tells you specifically
[3:30:21] Speaker 7: that God has made you for hell. And in what
[3:30:23] Speaker 7: Justin has read it says that what has has been
[3:30:26] Speaker 7: written for you the sol directions. So what decides the
[3:30:29] Speaker 7: action is what has been written for you?
[3:30:32] Speaker 1: Reverse please, the meaning of every child is born in
[3:30:36] Speaker 1: a state of fittra and the ruling what's that?
[3:30:43] Speaker 7: The chip to name is usually pointless. It doesn't tell
[3:30:45] Speaker 7: you anything.
[3:30:46] Speaker 1: Oh sorry, that's such a chapter now, okay, the uh
[3:30:50] Speaker 1: the versus Allah's messenger, there is happiness for this child
[3:30:54] Speaker 1: who is a bird from the birds of Paradise, for
[3:30:57] Speaker 1: committed no sin nor has reached the age when one
[3:30:59] Speaker 1: can commits. And he said, aisha per adventure. It may
[3:31:03] Speaker 1: be otherwise, because God created for paradise those who are
[3:31:06] Speaker 1: fit for it, and while they were yet in their
[3:31:09] Speaker 1: father's loins, and created for hell those who go to hell.
[3:31:13] Speaker 1: He created them for hell while they were yet in
[3:31:15] Speaker 1: their father's loins. That's some predestinational bullshit.
[3:31:22] Speaker 9: Good this is a good verse. I'll look into it.
[3:31:25] Speaker 9: I'll look into it. I still don't. I still believe
[3:31:27] Speaker 9: we have free will, though whether that agrees with the
[3:31:30] Speaker 9: with the Koran or not. I believe we have free
[3:31:33] Speaker 9: will and this life is a test and we'll be judged.
[3:31:35] Speaker 9: That's why we can choose to do the right thing
[3:31:37] Speaker 9: or the wrong thing. You can choose.
[3:31:41] Speaker 7: That is not what the proof see them, there is not.
[3:31:43] Speaker 7: What could you bring up the win about the adultrey,
[3:31:46] Speaker 7: the fixed the portion for example, of course.
[3:31:48] Speaker 3: Or the.
[3:31:50] Speaker 1: Nine Yeah, give me one second. I'm just updating my
[3:31:54] Speaker 1: my cheat sheet with some of these hodiths. We're good
[3:31:57] Speaker 1: to go. Now, what do we need to look up next?
[3:32:00] Speaker 7: We can? Could you soshin to the fixed potion of adulte?
[3:32:03] Speaker 4: Okay?
[3:32:04] Speaker 7: Escape? Who is this free will?
[3:32:06] Speaker 16: MM?
[3:32:08] Speaker 9: Which versus this M? I think your name is M.
[3:32:13] Speaker 4: It is?
[3:32:14] Speaker 9: And so the hadis are different because some are some
[3:32:19] Speaker 9: are not authenticated. So that's why I've only been reading
[3:32:22] Speaker 9: the Koran.
[3:32:24] Speaker 7: Mre authentic.
[3:32:28] Speaker 1: This is Sahi Muslim.
[3:32:29] Speaker 4: I didn't know that.
[3:32:29] Speaker 9: I don't know that. Okay, So in the book of
[3:32:33] Speaker 9: Bokari they're all authenticated.
[3:32:35] Speaker 7: It is literally the tatoo of the book were not
[3:32:38] Speaker 7: the actual titoo the onery tweeto of it is the
[3:32:40] Speaker 7: most authentic book, so.
[3:32:45] Speaker 1: It says Abu Harara reported all his messenger as saying,
[3:32:49] Speaker 1: I'll have fixed the very portion of adultery which a
[3:32:52] Speaker 1: man will indulge in. There would be no escape from it.
[3:32:55] Speaker 1: The adultery of the eye is the lustful look, and
[3:32:58] Speaker 1: the adultery of the ears is listening to of a
[3:33:00] Speaker 1: lupulous song or talk, And the adultery of the tongue
[3:33:03] Speaker 1: is licentious speech. And the adultery of the hand is
[3:33:06] Speaker 1: the lustful grip embrace, and the adultery of the feet
[3:33:09] Speaker 1: is to walk to the place where he intends to
[3:33:12] Speaker 1: commit adultery. And the heart yearns and desires which he
[3:33:15] Speaker 1: may or may not be put into effect, which means
[3:33:18] Speaker 1: Allah appointed only a portion of adultery. You can do
[3:33:21] Speaker 1: some of it.
[3:33:23] Speaker 9: Yeah, okay, and there's there's newisky. That's fine, But m
[3:33:30] Speaker 9: you have to agree though some scholars do say that
[3:33:33] Speaker 9: we do have free will. That's the point of this life.
[3:33:35] Speaker 9: It's a test. You can choose to do the right
[3:33:37] Speaker 9: thing or choose to do the wrong thing. Otherwise I
[3:33:39] Speaker 9: wouldn't be a test if you're just the point.
[3:33:44] Speaker 7: It's contradictory.
[3:33:47] Speaker 9: How's that big question?
[3:33:50] Speaker 7: Because good good in one hand tells you that he's
[3:33:53] Speaker 7: tisting you, and in the other hand, like, for example,
[3:33:56] Speaker 7: you do you know that the kur.
[3:34:00] Speaker 9: Mmm, I don't know. I don't why why. It's the
[3:34:03] Speaker 9: final revelation for humanity until the end.
[3:34:05] Speaker 7: Until that is. The speech of a law is the
[3:34:08] Speaker 7: speech of don't speak in time. They don't exist within
[3:34:12] Speaker 7: time to speak.
[3:34:13] Speaker 9: No, No, he's He's beyond space and time.
[3:34:15] Speaker 7: God is beyond space, so his words, his words would
[3:34:18] Speaker 7: also be beyond space and time. Uh so when he
[3:34:23] Speaker 7: said when he spoke, he spoke it out speak something.
[3:34:31] Speaker 7: So so don't aplate to the is eternal? The scholars agree,
[3:34:37] Speaker 7: at least the early scholars agree that the Quran itself
[3:34:41] Speaker 7: it's cool e tunal with God, which would include I.
[3:34:46] Speaker 9: Haven't heard of that, but I've heard that's the final
[3:34:47] Speaker 9: the final revelation.
[3:34:50] Speaker 7: But it's too eternal. The quorn hasn't been created. It
[3:34:53] Speaker 7: hasn't been created. It's an uncreated thing. Okay, so you
[3:35:00] Speaker 7: inside the quurn you have an entire chapter tilling a
[3:35:03] Speaker 7: guy that he's going to Hell, a specific guy. So
[3:35:07] Speaker 7: before the guy was even created, before he soul existed,
[3:35:11] Speaker 7: it was a verse distancing him to Hill. Do you
[3:35:16] Speaker 7: know who I'm talking about?
[3:35:17] Speaker 12: Yes?
[3:35:17] Speaker 9: Yeah, but yes, yes. But my argument to this is
[3:35:20] Speaker 9: beyond space and time, he knows what that man would
[3:35:22] Speaker 9: have done, you know what I mean. He knows what
[3:35:24] Speaker 9: that man would have done.
[3:35:28] Speaker 7: Before, before he was a thought, before the guy was
[3:35:30] Speaker 7: a thought. The qurn has distant him for a tuneal Hill.
[3:35:37] Speaker 1: But it says that that a Loah created him for Hell.
[3:35:41] Speaker 1: If a lot knew he was going to Hell, he
[3:35:43] Speaker 1: didn't have to create him for hell. He could have
[3:35:45] Speaker 1: moved him to not go to Hell.
[3:35:48] Speaker 9: Okay, yeah, I noted that hadith. So I'm gonna I'll
[3:35:52] Speaker 9: see if any comments on it. So okay, that's fine.
[3:35:59] Speaker 9: So I guess my quest is if you I am
[3:36:03] Speaker 9: is also an atheist? So what do you guys think?
[3:36:05] Speaker 9: Because I'm always open to learning too, and I'm also
[3:36:08] Speaker 9: a recent Muslim. I'm not a scholar obviously, But what
[3:36:11] Speaker 9: do you guys think then the purpose of this life is?
[3:36:13] Speaker 9: And do you think this there was a creator of
[3:36:16] Speaker 9: this universe.
[3:36:18] Speaker 1: Well, I don't think that there is an objective purpose
[3:36:20] Speaker 1: to life. I think we get to decide what our
[3:36:22] Speaker 1: purposes are. So that's the funny thing. Like when I
[3:36:26] Speaker 1: was a Christian, I used to be I used to
[3:36:28] Speaker 1: be of the opinion, well, like, our purpose must come
[3:36:31] Speaker 1: from God, but that's not true. And the minute you
[3:36:33] Speaker 1: stop believing in God, you don't stop having purpose. It
[3:36:36] Speaker 1: just turns out that I don't have to worry about
[3:36:38] Speaker 1: what sky Zombie think about me. I can decide what
[3:36:41] Speaker 1: my own purpose is. And I'm sure that Christina would
[3:36:43] Speaker 1: say that her life is quite purposeful.
[3:36:45] Speaker 2: Right, I mean, yeah, like it really, I like I
[3:36:49] Speaker 2: bring purpose to my life. I have two children that
[3:36:53] Speaker 2: are absolutely amazing. I have aspirations and things that I
[3:36:56] Speaker 2: want to do, and I actually feel like my life
[3:36:59] Speaker 2: is more more meaningful and more purposeful now that I've
[3:37:02] Speaker 2: stepped outside of the confines of this religion that are
[3:37:06] Speaker 2: that is so restricting, this religion that is misogynistic in
[3:37:11] Speaker 2: nature and tells me that I should be seen and
[3:37:13] Speaker 2: not heard. Right, it doesn't allow allow me to utilize
[3:37:17] Speaker 2: the voice that I have, the knowledge that I have
[3:37:19] Speaker 2: that to gain more knowledge. It doesn't encourage that, and
[3:37:23] Speaker 2: that I believe that for all the Abrahamic face when
[3:37:26] Speaker 2: it comes to women, specifically because of the misogyny that
[3:37:31] Speaker 2: is riddled throughout it. Right, So yeah, my life actually
[3:37:34] Speaker 2: gained more purpose that I put into it once I
[3:37:38] Speaker 2: stepped away from religion.
[3:37:41] Speaker 9: Okay, thank you for sharing that. So I guess the
[3:37:45] Speaker 9: follow up is, then, I guess what do you guys
[3:37:48] Speaker 9: think is the like next after this?
[3:37:50] Speaker 11: Life? Is that just it?
[3:37:51] Speaker 9: That's because that's what also really gave me a lot
[3:37:53] Speaker 9: of anxiety, and that's what made me study religion, like
[3:37:57] Speaker 9: because Islam gives you an answer. You're here for a test.
[3:38:00] Speaker 9: You either go to heaven or hell. There's a judgment
[3:38:02] Speaker 9: day where you're going to be asked for about everything
[3:38:04] Speaker 9: you did, and then you're either going to be recreated
[3:38:07] Speaker 9: in heaven or you're going to go to hell for
[3:38:09] Speaker 9: uh first sinning. So that's why I also, I'm just curious,
[3:38:13] Speaker 9: do you guys just think that's it's just a black screen,
[3:38:18] Speaker 9: there is no queen. But I'm curious, do you guys
[3:38:23] Speaker 9: just think that's it after this? That's it? There's just nothing,
[3:38:26] Speaker 9: that's it.
[3:38:26] Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't have a reason to believe that there's
[3:38:28] Speaker 1: anything after this. So, like I understand how like a
[3:38:33] Speaker 1: dread inducing that is, but like humans have been wrestling
[3:38:37] Speaker 1: it with forever. One of the oldest tales ever told,
[3:38:40] Speaker 1: the Epic of Gilgamesh, is written to address this fact.
[3:38:44] Speaker 1: And actually, you know, one of the main points of
[3:38:46] Speaker 1: the Epic of Gilgamesh is to demonstrate that we can't
[3:38:49] Speaker 1: escape our immortality. We're going to die one day, and
[3:38:53] Speaker 1: so that's why Gilgamesh embarks on the journey to the
[3:38:55] Speaker 1: Forest of Lebanon. Depending on which recension of the story
[3:38:58] Speaker 1: you're reading, with it for an Echado to take down
[3:39:01] Speaker 1: the cedar trees of the gods because he wants to
[3:39:03] Speaker 1: make a name for himself. So in his mind he thinks, hey,
[3:39:07] Speaker 1: I'm going to die one day, but I can leave
[3:39:09] Speaker 1: a name for myself. I can leave something behind, and
[3:39:12] Speaker 1: for him, that's his form of immortality. Some people do
[3:39:15] Speaker 1: it by having children. They feel like they can leave
[3:39:17] Speaker 1: a piece of themselves behind by having children and raising
[3:39:21] Speaker 1: them right and making the world a better place. Some
[3:39:23] Speaker 1: people do philanthropy. The reality is we are We're going
[3:39:27] Speaker 1: to go into the Great Abyss eventually and we're not
[3:39:30] Speaker 1: going to exist anymore. But we can use the time
[3:39:33] Speaker 1: that we have to make impacts on other people's lives.
[3:39:36] Speaker 1: We can make sure we enjoy the time that.
[3:39:38] Speaker 3: We do have.
[3:39:39] Speaker 1: Like I know I'm going to die one day, I
[3:39:40] Speaker 1: get that, but I'm not fucking dead today. I'm going
[3:39:43] Speaker 1: to live the shit out of the day.
[3:39:45] Speaker 7: Yeah.
[3:39:46] Speaker 9: Yeah, that just scares me because it is scary for
[3:39:50] Speaker 9: me to it caes all of us. Yeah, Like, I
[3:39:55] Speaker 9: don't know. I just feel like then there's like what's
[3:39:56] Speaker 9: the point, you know what I mean? If we're not
[3:39:58] Speaker 9: here a first purpose, there's nothing next. It's just like, okay,
[3:40:02] Speaker 9: so I'm just gonna have fun. I guess like that's
[3:40:04] Speaker 9: and of course that's nice, but also maybe I think
[3:40:07] Speaker 9: too much about it. But then it's like I don't know,
[3:40:10] Speaker 9: it's just like why me.
[3:40:11] Speaker 1: Or we all do? Buddy, You're not the first one
[3:40:13] Speaker 1: that's struggling with this. Listen, when I first became an atheist,
[3:40:17] Speaker 1: and it wasn't on purpose. It was because I studied
[3:40:20] Speaker 1: religion and eventually science and whatnot, Like I was having
[3:40:25] Speaker 1: like panic attacks. I didn't know what to do with myself.
[3:40:27] Speaker 1: I didn't. I waited till I was like thirty something
[3:40:30] Speaker 1: to figure this out. The reality is, though, you like,
[3:40:32] Speaker 1: you get over it, like it's like a morning the
[3:40:35] Speaker 1: loss of a loved one. You go through all the
[3:40:36] Speaker 1: stages of grief and eventually you come out on the
[3:40:39] Speaker 1: other end and you're fine. You're probably in that beginning
[3:40:42] Speaker 1: deconstruction phase. And I'm not going to sugarcoat it. It
[3:40:46] Speaker 1: sucks at first, like you are gonna have nights where
[3:40:48] Speaker 1: you can't sleep, you are gonna have days where you're
[3:40:50] Speaker 1: frustrated and you can't concentrate. But what I can tell
[3:40:53] Speaker 1: you is someone who's gone through it, is like you're
[3:40:56] Speaker 1: gonna come out on the other side. We all do,
[3:40:57] Speaker 1: all of us do, okay.
[3:41:01] Speaker 7: And Also you shouldn't think that there has to be
[3:41:03] Speaker 7: a purpose. There doesn't have to be a purpose. There
[3:41:06] Speaker 7: doesn't have to like you don't have to have something
[3:41:09] Speaker 7: after this, even if you wanted it, even if you
[3:41:12] Speaker 7: want something just because you want it, that doesn't mean
[3:41:15] Speaker 7: that there has to be something.
[3:41:18] Speaker 2: Yeah, really quickly, can I just say, like even to
[3:41:20] Speaker 2: the point of like, well, what is there at what's
[3:41:23] Speaker 2: the point of this? That there's nothing after it? I
[3:41:25] Speaker 2: think believers spends so much time focused on what could
[3:41:29] Speaker 2: possibly be after this life that they don't live. They
[3:41:34] Speaker 2: don't live this life. You have so many opportunities to
[3:41:41] Speaker 2: experience the world around you, experience cultures and people and
[3:41:46] Speaker 2: learn new things and you know, explore, and we don't
[3:41:52] Speaker 2: uh in this in the in this uh this space,
[3:41:55] Speaker 2: you can't. You're so hell bent on what's going to happen?
[3:42:00] Speaker 2: Is their torture, is their heaven? Is their hell? What's
[3:42:03] Speaker 2: what about then?
[3:42:03] Speaker 5: What about?
[3:42:04] Speaker 4: Then?
[3:42:04] Speaker 3: Well?
[3:42:04] Speaker 2: What about now?
[3:42:06] Speaker 9: What about?
[3:42:06] Speaker 2: Right now? We've lost sight of We've lost the plot.
[3:42:12] Speaker 2: And I think that that is to our own detriment,
[3:42:15] Speaker 2: because not only does it stop us from living the
[3:42:18] Speaker 2: life that we are, you know, we could very well
[3:42:21] Speaker 2: live the biggest, most beautiful life, it also closes our
[3:42:24] Speaker 2: eyes to the harmful things about our society and our
[3:42:28] Speaker 2: world that we don't fix because we're waiting on a
[3:42:31] Speaker 2: god to come fix it for us, or a god
[3:42:34] Speaker 2: to come rapture us, or you know, we're living to
[3:42:37] Speaker 2: live again. So the sufferings of this world are just
[3:42:40] Speaker 2: not to be compared for the joy that's set before us.
[3:42:42] Speaker 2: And I think that that's harmful, that's extremely harmful, but.
[3:42:46] Speaker 7: It never comes.
[3:42:51] Speaker 9: Okay, And I guess this could probably my last question,
[3:42:54] Speaker 9: but I guess I think you guys might have already
[3:42:56] Speaker 9: answered it. But the universe, like is, do you believe
[3:43:01] Speaker 9: something created it. If you don't want to call it God,
[3:43:03] Speaker 9: that's fine, But do you believe something created this, like
[3:43:07] Speaker 9: this space time continuum of particles and atoms that created everything?
[3:43:12] Speaker 1: But personally, I don't know. I believe in a cyclical
[3:43:14] Speaker 1: model of the universe. My favorite version of the cyclical
[3:43:18] Speaker 1: model is the Big Bang crunch model. Once but on time,
[3:43:21] Speaker 1: like back in the seventies, they just referred to it
[3:43:23] Speaker 1: as like the elastic universe or rebound theory. I think
[3:43:26] Speaker 1: now they call it the big Crunch model. That's the
[3:43:29] Speaker 1: preferred nomenclature. But it just posits that you know, eventually
[3:43:33] Speaker 1: the universe is going to get drawn back in on
[3:43:35] Speaker 1: itself once one of two things happens. Dark energy stops
[3:43:39] Speaker 1: doing what it's doing, or maybe dark and age doesn't
[3:43:44] Speaker 1: actually exist, and the expansion is just because there was
[3:43:47] Speaker 1: a black hole bounce or something. But gravity will eventually
[3:43:51] Speaker 1: pull it back in and then we'll have another bounce,
[3:43:54] Speaker 1: So it's a cycle of bounces and crunches. That being said, like,
[3:43:57] Speaker 1: it's also possible that like we're in a pocket, like
[3:44:01] Speaker 1: our observable universe is just one pocket in a gigantic,
[3:44:05] Speaker 1: endless universe. We have no idea how big the actual
[3:44:07] Speaker 1: universe is. It could be infinite. It might be that
[3:44:10] Speaker 1: what we consider like the Big Bang is literally like
[3:44:14] Speaker 1: a speck of dust in a much larger universe. That's
[3:44:17] Speaker 1: certainly possible. So I have no reason to believe that
[3:44:21] Speaker 1: there was once nothing. I have every reason to believe
[3:44:24] Speaker 1: that there has always been something, And until I find
[3:44:29] Speaker 1: evidence to the contrary, I think that's the only thing
[3:44:31] Speaker 1: I can believe.
[3:44:33] Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, I have trouble with that. It's tough because
[3:44:37] Speaker 9: I don't know. It's just like I feel like something
[3:44:40] Speaker 9: had to create this, Like, because how could there just
[3:44:44] Speaker 9: be something always? You know, Like I feel like something
[3:44:47] Speaker 9: had to bring its exist.
[3:44:50] Speaker 1: So that's the problem. Is right when you kick it
[3:44:52] Speaker 1: to a god, the god has the same problem. Why
[3:44:55] Speaker 1: would a god always exist? So like, basically we're saying,
[3:44:59] Speaker 1: like there's two ops. Either one the universe always existed,
[3:45:02] Speaker 1: or two the universe once didn't exist and a god
[3:45:06] Speaker 1: caused it to exist. Now, the first theory we have
[3:45:09] Speaker 1: evidence for. We have evidence that the universe is eternal,
[3:45:12] Speaker 1: matter in time or matter and energy can't be created
[3:45:15] Speaker 1: or destroyed. We've got all kinds of principles, logical syllogisms.
[3:45:19] Speaker 1: You know, if you can't get something from nothing, and
[3:45:21] Speaker 1: you have something, obviously it was never nothing. But the
[3:45:24] Speaker 1: second proposition, which is there was once no universe, we
[3:45:28] Speaker 1: have no evidence for that, and then a god caused
[3:45:30] Speaker 1: it to come into existence. We have no evidence for
[3:45:32] Speaker 1: that either. So if I'm going with the evidence, even
[3:45:35] Speaker 1: if its minimal evidence, I've got to pick the first
[3:45:38] Speaker 1: of the two options.
[3:45:40] Speaker 9: Yeah, but do you believe the Big Bang theory though?
[3:45:42] Speaker 9: That says there was a starting point or the Big
[3:45:45] Speaker 9: Bank doesn't say that you had a different It doesn't
[3:45:49] Speaker 9: say there was a starting point.
[3:45:50] Speaker 1: Okay, No, the big Bang is just describing our current
[3:45:54] Speaker 1: visible what we call the visible portion of the universe.
[3:45:58] Speaker 1: It's saying that what we call the visible universe once
[3:46:01] Speaker 1: was in a much smaller, denser state before it started
[3:46:04] Speaker 1: to expand.
[3:46:05] Speaker 5: Now.
[3:46:05] Speaker 1: It doesn't say that prior to that state it didn't exist.
[3:46:08] Speaker 1: This is saying this is as far back as we
[3:46:10] Speaker 1: can go in history. There's a lot of theories about
[3:46:14] Speaker 1: what existed before that. Maybe it was quantum foam inflation
[3:46:17] Speaker 1: theory is popular right now. Big Bang Big Crunch is
[3:46:20] Speaker 1: another theory. So there's lots of ways you can you
[3:46:24] Speaker 1: can like still have the universe we have without saying
[3:46:28] Speaker 1: that it pooped into existence from nothing.
[3:46:31] Speaker 9: Yeah, it's tough. Yeah, so I took a lot of
[3:46:36] Speaker 9: notes today on the side here, I'm gonna do more research.
[3:46:40] Speaker 9: But yeah, this's just I don't know if this helped,
[3:46:42] Speaker 9: just like yeah, just the being anxious about like why
[3:46:46] Speaker 9: we're here? What? What created this? I thought, too, have
[3:46:49] Speaker 9: God created this? What created God? But then you just
[3:46:51] Speaker 9: go on to infinite regression, Like okay, so I feel
[3:46:56] Speaker 9: like there either has to be there has to be
[3:46:59] Speaker 9: the finite regression doesn't make sense. There has to be
[3:47:01] Speaker 9: a base that was either created or was always here.
[3:47:05] Speaker 9: That's the tough I guess. And the reason I use
[3:47:08] Speaker 9: the word god is because something that created the universe
[3:47:10] Speaker 9: I feel like has to have the attributes of God,
[3:47:12] Speaker 9: like that has to be beyond space and time and
[3:47:15] Speaker 9: be able to bring in particles. So yeah, that's that's
[3:47:18] Speaker 9: my argument. I guess. It's like there has to be
[3:47:20] Speaker 9: something greater than we can even comprehend. Like imagine a
[3:47:24] Speaker 9: fish and a fish bowl doesn't know what's playing on
[3:47:26] Speaker 9: the TV, where like the fish and the fishbowl, there
[3:47:29] Speaker 9: has to be something, but.
[3:47:31] Speaker 1: There's no reason to believe that it's a god. Right,
[3:47:33] Speaker 1: it could be a perfectly naturalistic cause that we haven't
[3:47:36] Speaker 1: discovered yet that created the universe, if you believe it
[3:47:39] Speaker 1: was created, like, we have no reason to posit a god.
[3:47:43] Speaker 1: I would always posit the minimal amount of things necessary
[3:47:47] Speaker 1: to solve the problem. So, for example, if I saw
[3:47:50] Speaker 1: a car in the middle of winter that was in
[3:47:53] Speaker 1: a ditch, and you live in the middle of the US,
[3:47:55] Speaker 1: you know what I'm talking about. You've seen cars in
[3:47:57] Speaker 1: ditches in winter. So if I see a car in
[3:48:00] Speaker 1: a ditch in the middle winter, I'm thinking, Okay, this
[3:48:03] Speaker 1: car probably veered off the road because they hit some
[3:48:05] Speaker 1: slick patches of ice or snow. That is the most
[3:48:08] Speaker 1: minimal amount that I need to explain the scenario. What
[3:48:11] Speaker 1: I wouldn't do is say, well, there was obviously a
[3:48:13] Speaker 1: pack of wild dingos that started chasing a bunch of
[3:48:16] Speaker 1: deer across the road, and then a semi truck got involved,
[3:48:18] Speaker 1: and before you like, and then there was a circus
[3:48:21] Speaker 1: train nearby that tipped over, and wild animals like. When
[3:48:25] Speaker 1: you start adding all kinds of unnecessary things into the explanation,
[3:48:29] Speaker 1: it becomes no longer the most likely explanation. That's what
[3:48:32] Speaker 1: I feel like the god argument does. The god argument
[3:48:35] Speaker 1: involves all kinds of things to explain this one gap
[3:48:39] Speaker 1: of knowledge, and all these unnecessary entailments aren't necessary. So like,
[3:48:46] Speaker 1: now you have to explain why a god would create
[3:48:49] Speaker 1: human beings and like actually care about his creation, but
[3:48:52] Speaker 1: then create it so that like three million of them
[3:48:55] Speaker 1: die of starvation every year, and like for a great
[3:48:57] Speaker 1: period of history, forty percent of them would be born
[3:49:00] Speaker 1: and dead before the age of six months. Why we
[3:49:03] Speaker 1: get like baby bone cancer, why women die giving birth, Like,
[3:49:08] Speaker 1: there's so many things that need to be explained once
[3:49:11] Speaker 1: you introduce a god that it's no longer a likely explanation.
[3:49:15] Speaker 1: An easier explanation would just be, well, there must be
[3:49:18] Speaker 1: some naturalistic phenomenon out there that we don't know about
[3:49:20] Speaker 1: that's able to poof us into existence.
[3:49:24] Speaker 9: Yeah, yep, all right, Well this helped but also made
[3:49:30] Speaker 9: me just more anxious. But I'll try to kind of
[3:49:33] Speaker 9: do more research. And yeah, that's the tough I respect
[3:49:36] Speaker 9: your guys' views, just that my views are I feel
[3:49:39] Speaker 9: like they're just there has to be a purpose, like
[3:49:41] Speaker 9: some purpose that were which I know you kind of
[3:49:44] Speaker 9: answer we kind of make our own purpose. I know
[3:49:46] Speaker 9: you answered that, and it's just yeah, I don't know,
[3:49:49] Speaker 9: that's just it's a It was a helpful talk that
[3:49:52] Speaker 9: we had, but also kind of made me a bit uh.
[3:49:55] Speaker 1: Well, let me let me give you one thing, because like,
[3:50:02] Speaker 1: none of us know for sure if there is a god,
[3:50:07] Speaker 1: like I don't see any evidence for it, which is
[3:50:08] Speaker 1: why I don't believe in it. Like, there's good reasons
[3:50:11] Speaker 1: to not believe in God. That being said, it's like,
[3:50:15] Speaker 1: if there is a god, what I do know is
[3:50:17] Speaker 1: it's not the God of Islam, and I have no
[3:50:19] Speaker 1: reason to believe that there's one of them. It's certainly
[3:50:21] Speaker 1: more likely that there would be a bunch of them
[3:50:23] Speaker 1: given all the evil we see in the world, and
[3:50:25] Speaker 1: that like, since they have equal power, they're fucking each
[3:50:28] Speaker 1: other up and they can't get the shit fixed down here.
[3:50:30] Speaker 1: That being said, I have no reasonablie that the God
[3:50:33] Speaker 1: of Islam is true, and I have no reason to
[3:50:34] Speaker 1: believe that the God of the Abrahamic religions are real. Right,
[3:50:37] Speaker 1: So you like you can walk away from Islam and
[3:50:40] Speaker 1: you don't have to abandon the theistic concept. You don't
[3:50:43] Speaker 1: have to make that leap into atheism. That being said,
[3:50:46] Speaker 1: I think if you you know, if you pull the
[3:50:49] Speaker 1: yarn long enough, you'll end up in atheism. But you
[3:50:51] Speaker 1: don't have to.
[3:50:53] Speaker 7: Yeah, that makes sense, you have you ud look wrongly.
[3:51:03] Speaker 9: The full book. No, I'm on like chapter five in English?
[3:51:06] Speaker 9: In English?
[3:51:06] Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, which way are you to get to yeat?
[3:51:14] Speaker 9: Just the English way? Front starts with the first sura
[3:51:17] Speaker 9: al fatiha and then the second surah obucker. Yeah, but
[3:51:23] Speaker 9: that's yeah. The main thing I told you guys was, yeah,
[3:51:25] Speaker 9: just that they the fact that they just believe in
[3:51:27] Speaker 9: one creator that created and sent Jesus Moses. That's what
[3:51:30] Speaker 9: kind of like made me like it. And it said
[3:51:32] Speaker 9: the purpose this life is a test. We can choose
[3:51:35] Speaker 9: to do good or bad and then we go to
[3:51:36] Speaker 9: judgment day. That's what like made me feel better about life,
[3:51:41] Speaker 9: Like there's a purpose that we're here. It's to either
[3:51:44] Speaker 9: give in to your desires or try to stay on
[3:51:46] Speaker 9: the straight path and like do good. You know, it
[3:51:49] Speaker 9: has really similar commandments to Christianity, like be good to
[3:51:53] Speaker 9: your neighbor stuff like that, which I know I was
[3:51:55] Speaker 9: watching earlier. I don't think you guys quite agree with
[3:51:57] Speaker 9: those are like when people bring them up, but you
[3:52:00] Speaker 9: have to admit some of them are good, like give
[3:52:02] Speaker 9: to charity fast, try giving the alms for sure.
[3:52:08] Speaker 7: Yeah, so that's on you to steal may do women
[3:52:12] Speaker 7: and sleep with them. Yeah.
[3:52:14] Speaker 9: I haven't gotten to that part in the Koran. I
[3:52:16] Speaker 9: don't know if or not, but I hope not.
[3:52:19] Speaker 7: You said you said you're you said you're in tipter free. Yeah,
[3:52:23] Speaker 7: this is a tipter be four?
[3:52:25] Speaker 9: What verse?
[3:52:25] Speaker 4: Was it?
[3:52:27] Speaker 7: A two to four? It's literally the second Peter tip
[3:52:30] Speaker 7: to four.
[3:52:32] Speaker 9: Better get my highlight around, let me seek so Koran
[3:52:36] Speaker 9: for two Sarah a nissa, I don't have to ga orphans.
[3:52:41] Speaker 9: Give orphans their wealth when they reach maturity, and do
[3:52:43] Speaker 9: not exchange your worthless possessions for their nor twenty four okay,
[3:52:50] Speaker 9: twenty four, So I'm sure I read it.
[3:52:55] Speaker 1: Maybe women already married other than your slaves. God has
[3:52:59] Speaker 1: heard all this for you. Other women are lawful to you,
[3:53:03] Speaker 1: as long as you seek them in marriage with gifts
[3:53:06] Speaker 1: from your property, looking for wedlock rather than fornication. If
[3:53:10] Speaker 1: you wish to enjoy women through marriage, although it doesn't
[3:53:14] Speaker 1: say through marriage in the text that's in brackets, give
[3:53:17] Speaker 1: them their bride gift This is obligatory. Though, if you
[3:53:20] Speaker 1: should choose mutually after fulfilling this obligation to do otherwise,
[3:53:25] Speaker 1: you will not be blamed. God is all known allwise.
[3:53:30] Speaker 9: Yeah, So I don't think that means you can steal women,
[3:53:32] Speaker 9: does it? It says forbidden. It says what married women
[3:53:35] Speaker 9: are forbidden.
[3:53:36] Speaker 7: Except exactly captives. You're capturing them.
[3:53:42] Speaker 1: Right other than your slaves, meaning if if the woman
[3:53:47] Speaker 1: is your slave, then you can.
[3:53:51] Speaker 12: Married.
[3:53:54] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[3:53:54] Speaker 9: And also I don't know if this is true. M
[3:53:56] Speaker 9: but I heard like slavery in Islam. It's not. It's
[3:54:01] Speaker 9: not like the common term we use as slavery, where
[3:54:03] Speaker 9: you just own someone and tell them what to do.
[3:54:05] Speaker 9: It's more like you provide it like a home for
[3:54:08] Speaker 9: them and pay literally. And then is that true or
[3:54:12] Speaker 9: doesn't mean.
[3:54:13] Speaker 7: You know it is false? And you can give them
[3:54:15] Speaker 7: to each other and you can sleep with them and
[3:54:17] Speaker 7: you can beat them, Okay?
[3:54:20] Speaker 5: And is that is that? In the.
[3:54:25] Speaker 7: It is you in twenty three believe that, we say,
[3:54:27] Speaker 7: But I believe that maybe one, but it's in twenty
[3:54:31] Speaker 7: three in the first peeche it is that you can
[3:54:33] Speaker 7: sleep with your sleeves, and it too is you you
[3:54:35] Speaker 7: can own them it too, you can treat them the
[3:54:37] Speaker 7: proof it the one said that it is better for
[3:54:39] Speaker 7: you to give your sleeves to your uncle than to
[3:54:42] Speaker 7: freed them.
[3:54:43] Speaker 9: Okay, I'll look into it.
[3:54:46] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[3:54:46] Speaker 9: When I read this verse, I kind of it kind
[3:54:48] Speaker 9: of sounded like a good verse at first because it
[3:54:50] Speaker 9: said married women are forbidden. But then there's that except
[3:54:54] Speaker 9: accept female captives in your possession. Yeah, I see that.
[3:54:58] Speaker 7: Cool.
[3:54:59] Speaker 9: I'm gonna notice verse and then see I usually just
[3:55:02] Speaker 9: YouTube part. What's that? Sorry?
[3:55:06] Speaker 7: If you go into the body horror part.
[3:55:10] Speaker 9: The body or the body or the part the bloody
[3:55:14] Speaker 9: horror part, body horror, horror horror like a horror movie,
[3:55:26] Speaker 9: which which verses it?
[3:55:27] Speaker 7: Can you read?
[3:55:29] Speaker 5: Just think?
[3:55:29] Speaker 7: Can you read twenty twenty four to twenty four?
[3:55:32] Speaker 1: Yeah?
[3:55:32] Speaker 9: Yeah, one second chapter twenty four, verse twenty four.
[3:55:38] Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll pull it up real quick. Says on the
[3:55:44] Speaker 1: day their tongues, hands and feet will testify against them
[3:55:48] Speaker 1: for what they used to do. Was that the right one?
[3:55:52] Speaker 7: Could you?
[3:55:52] Speaker 2: So?
[3:55:54] Speaker 9: I think that's referring to the day of judgment. That's
[3:55:56] Speaker 9: referring to the day of judgment.
[3:55:58] Speaker 7: When your tongues your doing is gonna goro a mouth
[3:56:01] Speaker 7: and it is going to speak, yours are going to speak,
[3:56:04] Speaker 7: Your feet are going to speak, your are gonna speak,
[3:56:06] Speaker 7: They're gonna grow mouth.
[3:56:08] Speaker 9: Well, well, tongue means you're speaking. Hands mean like you're
[3:56:11] Speaker 9: probably waving your hands and then feed me.
[3:56:14] Speaker 7: Literally it literally mouth and it speaks.
[3:56:20] Speaker 9: Yeah, but you haven't heard the term of like tongue
[3:56:23] Speaker 9: means sometimes people speak like you can refer to someone
[3:56:27] Speaker 9: speaking as like speak tongue using the word tongue too.
[3:56:31] Speaker 7: It is not with the book is saying. The book
[3:56:33] Speaker 7: is saying that you are going to do what you did,
[3:56:35] Speaker 7: and then you're eye is going to grow mouth and
[3:56:37] Speaker 7: then it opposed to you and say that you have
[3:56:39] Speaker 7: used me for wrong and you have used me to
[3:56:41] Speaker 7: look at point for.
[3:56:42] Speaker 9: Example, I don't see that, m I don't see it.
[3:56:48] Speaker 7: It's literally what the verses, but the skillers agree.
[3:56:51] Speaker 9: It says on the day their tongues, hands and feet
[3:56:53] Speaker 9: will testify against them for what they used to do.
[3:56:56] Speaker 9: So this is saying on the day of judgment, the
[3:56:58] Speaker 9: people who did really bad stuff, they're they're gonna testify
[3:57:02] Speaker 9: against themselves using their tongues, which means they're gonna speak,
[3:57:05] Speaker 9: They're going to use their hand maybe.
[3:57:08] Speaker 7: No, no, no, no, the wild the organs are gonna
[3:57:11] Speaker 7: literally start tinking.
[3:57:14] Speaker 19: Ah.
[3:57:16] Speaker 7: They think it's even mentioned in the if you're.
[3:57:20] Speaker 1: Yeah, I've got the tough seed are open right now.
[3:57:27] Speaker 1: I'm just seeing anything about eyes just yet, it says, yeah,
[3:57:36] Speaker 1: it does say it in the Tough Sier. So in
[3:57:39] Speaker 1: the Tough Seer says they will say, come, let us
[3:57:42] Speaker 1: deny everything, so that they will deny everything. Then their
[3:57:45] Speaker 1: mouths will be sealed, and their hands and feet will
[3:57:48] Speaker 1: testify against them, and they will not be able to
[3:57:50] Speaker 1: hide anything from allah.
[3:57:53] Speaker 9: Yeah, okay, but I don't have a problem with that verse.
[3:57:57] Speaker 9: I don't think I think it makes sense. If your
[3:57:58] Speaker 9: mouth has sealed, your hands and feet make waving motions
[3:58:02] Speaker 9: like trying to explain what.
[3:58:05] Speaker 7: But it's when you actually deep into it, they literally
[3:58:08] Speaker 7: grow mouths and start talking to a low feeling.
[3:58:10] Speaker 9: If you did this with me, Okay, I'll note it.
[3:58:14] Speaker 9: I'll look into it. I'll note it and look into it.
[3:58:16] Speaker 9: Does not sounds silly to you, No, it's it's actually
[3:58:20] Speaker 9: sounds kind of scary, not really silly. If gods, scary
[3:58:24] Speaker 9: is silly, it's like sillier have you if I if
[3:58:28] Speaker 9: I see your mouth. If I like duct tape your mouth,
[3:58:31] Speaker 9: how are you going to speak to me? You're gonna
[3:58:32] Speaker 9: try it humming and waving your hands. You're going to
[3:58:35] Speaker 9: try to wave your hands, right. It is it's similar
[3:58:38] Speaker 9: you speaking. It isn't you speaking. It is good seeing
[3:58:41] Speaker 9: that your hands is going to give your hands be
[3:58:45] Speaker 9: what is the word consciousness to be able to actually
[3:58:48] Speaker 9: testify against you for what you've done. Okay, I don't
[3:58:53] Speaker 9: see it, but I'll look into it. I noted the
[3:58:56] Speaker 9: verse twenty four.
[3:58:57] Speaker 7: Twenty four point is that the un is in seen
[3:59:01] Speaker 7: amounts of seay trail dish cleams like that.
[3:59:06] Speaker 1: Yeah, well, listen, we've we've given mere a lot to
[3:59:09] Speaker 1: talk about, and Christina and I have a hard time
[3:59:12] Speaker 1: limit tonight, and unfortunately that we've got to read super
[3:59:17] Speaker 1: chats and cut it. She's up at three am tomorrow.
[3:59:19] Speaker 1: Just what everyone knows, Christina stayed up late with us
[3:59:23] Speaker 1: even though she's waking up at three in the morning.
[3:59:28] Speaker 1: So we need like another two or three hundred people
[3:59:31] Speaker 1: to follow her YouTube account. We broke a thousand friends,
[3:59:35] Speaker 1: We broke a thousand on the YouTube account. But I
[3:59:38] Speaker 1: don't see why we can't get this YouTube account like
[3:59:41] Speaker 1: anywhere near fifteen hundred. We should be able to get
[3:59:43] Speaker 1: it near fifteen hundred. There's like two thousand people watching
[3:59:46] Speaker 1: right now, so there's no reason why we shouldn't be
[3:59:49] Speaker 1: at damn near two thousand followers on her YouTube account.
[3:59:52] Speaker 1: I don't see the problem.
[3:59:54] Speaker 2: They're like, there's nothing there. I promise you I will
[3:59:57] Speaker 2: have a video for now.
[3:59:59] Speaker 1: She's got a on a content she does, didn't upload it,
[4:00:02] Speaker 1: kind of upload it. I'm just thanks, thanks for coming
[4:00:07] Speaker 1: and chat with us. I know this is difficult. Listen,
[4:00:09] Speaker 1: I was in your shoes once before. I was just
[4:00:11] Speaker 1: of the Christian variety.
[4:00:13] Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, thanks for chatting. I'll check out your channel
[4:00:18] Speaker 9: justin see if some of your videos help me. And
[4:00:21] Speaker 9: then I noted a lot of the verses M mentioned
[4:00:23] Speaker 9: and you mentioned I'll research them more, right, Yeah, thanks, Guys.
[4:00:28] Speaker 1: Like a discord, there's a discord community full of people deconstructing.
[4:00:33] Speaker 1: We're like over five thousand members now, and sometimes you'll
[4:00:37] Speaker 1: find some really good resources in there, and you'll find
[4:00:39] Speaker 1: people that are currently deconstructing as well.
[4:00:42] Speaker 9: Okay, we'll do Thanks. This went longer than I expected,
[4:00:45] Speaker 9: but thanks. And I'm just trying to find the truth man,
[4:00:48] Speaker 9: that's all just trying to if there even is that.
[4:00:50] Speaker 1: Yeah, we're with you. That's what we want. We want
[4:00:53] Speaker 1: to know what's true.
[4:00:54] Speaker 9: Yeah, cool, all right, guys, take care.
[4:01:00] Speaker 1: Well listen, I'd love to take more calls, but we
[4:01:04] Speaker 1: were kind of run out of time.
[4:01:05] Speaker 12: MS.
[4:01:06] Speaker 1: You're amazing. We really appreciate your assistance. And holy shit,
[4:01:10] Speaker 1: it's rare to find somebody who's willing to be honest
[4:01:13] Speaker 1: with some of the stuff and like recognize the problems
[4:01:17] Speaker 1: in real time.
[4:01:17] Speaker 2: You know.
[4:01:17] Speaker 1: Typically we're used to watching people twist themselves in the pretzels.
[4:01:22] Speaker 1: So what a refreshing moment to have a young man
[4:01:24] Speaker 1: who wants to find something that's like honestly true.
[4:01:28] Speaker 7: Right, he's not deep enough yet, so he hasn't gotten
[4:01:31] Speaker 7: deep enough to the point in which he's gonna be
[4:01:34] Speaker 7: too stillborn. Right that he's sweep tipters in out of
[4:01:38] Speaker 7: one hundred and fourteen.
[4:01:39] Speaker 1: So that's fair, that's fair. Yeah, that was a good
[4:01:43] Speaker 1: palate cleanser.
[4:01:44] Speaker 2: Yeah, that was good, And.
[4:01:45] Speaker 7: Thank you for having me up and it was a
[4:01:48] Speaker 7: nice life for a good recipeting. And tell you tomorrow, Christina.
[4:01:53] Speaker 2: Is it happen? At this point? I go kicking and
[4:01:56] Speaker 2: screaming if I have to.
[4:02:00] Speaker 1: Let's get some ws for MS and we're gonna read
[4:02:03] Speaker 1: some super chats before we do that. Friends, make sure
[4:02:07] Speaker 1: you're following Christina's account. Let's get this thing close close
[4:02:09] Speaker 1: to one point five thousand as we can do before
[4:02:12] Speaker 1: the end of the night. And if you're watching on TikTok,
[4:02:16] Speaker 1: make sure some show us to love to Christina. Her
[4:02:18] Speaker 1: profile is down here at the bottom of the page.
[4:02:20] Speaker 1: Let's make sure show our appreciation and we're gonna we're
[4:02:24] Speaker 1: gonna read through some super chats. Friends, then it's great
[4:02:28] Speaker 1: to see tonight.
[4:02:29] Speaker 4: ZN.
[4:02:29] Speaker 1: Thank you for the fifty hours superchat, my friend says
[4:02:31] Speaker 1: Justin the just so great at growing the online deconstruction
[4:02:36] Speaker 1: community by helping others grow their channels. Got to support that,
[4:02:38] Speaker 1: rock hard for Doug and his Sharon, And then thank
[4:02:41] Speaker 1: you so much for supporting our work. And you guys
[4:02:44] Speaker 1: know me, like I want the DE community to blossom
[4:02:49] Speaker 1: the more the merrier, Like there's no competition, like we're
[4:02:52] Speaker 1: all here on the same team. So I want everybody
[4:02:55] Speaker 1: in this community to blow up.
[4:02:57] Speaker 2: Period.
[4:02:59] Speaker 1: Christina. How long have you been on TikTok?
[4:03:02] Speaker 2: Two years?
[4:03:03] Speaker 1: That's why I thought, I think we started about the
[4:03:05] Speaker 1: same time.
[4:03:08] Speaker 2: And don't ask me who I followed first. I have
[4:03:10] Speaker 2: no idea. I tell people I don't know how who
[4:03:13] Speaker 2: I followed first in the community, who's live I saw first?
[4:03:17] Speaker 2: I feel like I I went in and just got
[4:03:20] Speaker 2: swept in and it was just like you know, you
[4:03:23] Speaker 2: open one like the trap door, and then like you're
[4:03:25] Speaker 2: just in there and it is all these people doing
[4:03:28] Speaker 2: all the things.
[4:03:30] Speaker 1: I got sucked into it in the same way. Shanky,
[4:03:33] Speaker 1: thank you for the supertest, says it's more feasible than Mohammad.
[4:03:36] Speaker 1: I'm sorry. It's more feasible that Mohammad learned cosmology from
[4:03:39] Speaker 1: the scientists and books he burnt than God told him so,
[4:03:43] Speaker 1: and Mayans had more advanced knowledge on astronomy, so the
[4:03:47] Speaker 1: Mayan gods must have been true, must be true. Yeah,
[4:03:50] Speaker 1: I mean that is the case. And if you look
[4:03:51] Speaker 1: at some of the miraculous predictions or scientific findings on
[4:03:55] Speaker 1: the crown, the reality is all of these things were
[4:03:58] Speaker 1: known to the people at the time, like three quarters
[4:04:01] Speaker 1: of them. The Greeks already figured out and drew. Thank
[4:04:04] Speaker 1: you for the super test. Christine's at a thousand, Yes
[4:04:06] Speaker 1: she is. We topped a thousand. But friends, there's time left.
[4:04:10] Speaker 1: We got we got to crank this thing up. We're
[4:04:13] Speaker 1: at one point one. We need to get at one
[4:04:15] Speaker 1: point five. We need to get her up to one
[4:04:17] Speaker 1: point five, and then we're gonna maybe we'll be satisfied.
[4:04:21] Speaker 1: We'll see. Adam, thank you for sending out five DZ
[4:04:24] Speaker 1: Debate memberships. I really appreciate that. Remember, everyone's got the
[4:04:27] Speaker 1: memberships on DZ Debates has access to the cheat sheet.
[4:04:32] Speaker 1: Guias Julius windex amazing name. By the way, I just
[4:04:36] Speaker 1: saw the two thousand and nine film of Pope Joan,
[4:04:40] Speaker 1: and I would like to hear more about her. Well,
[4:04:42] Speaker 1: I assume you mean Joan of arc Maybe I have
[4:04:45] Speaker 1: no idea who Pope Joan is. This is one piece
[4:04:48] Speaker 1: of Christian lored that I'm not actually familiar with, which means, now, Guias,
[4:04:53] Speaker 1: I've got homework. I've got to go find out who
[4:04:56] Speaker 1: Pope Joan is. Sorry, I couldn't be more helpful to you.
[4:04:58] Speaker 1: Usually when it comes to Chris history, I can I
[4:05:01] Speaker 1: can hack it. But that that's a that's what I
[4:05:04] Speaker 1: don't know about. Miss Pickle says, can you turn up
[4:05:06] Speaker 1: Christina's mic A tad bit also so good to see
[4:05:09] Speaker 1: Christina here.
[4:05:10] Speaker 2: Hey girl, Hi, Yeah, I talk y'all. I have a
[4:05:18] Speaker 2: lower tone.
[4:05:22] Speaker 1: Also, not all mics have a lot of gain, so
[4:05:26] Speaker 1: it's but we we try, we try. Also, uh, virilin
[4:05:30] Speaker 1: It says they always talk about biology when arguing design,
[4:05:34] Speaker 1: but never rocks. Yeah, isn't that funny thing? They never
[4:05:36] Speaker 1: want to talk about rocks arguing for intelligent design because
[4:05:39] Speaker 1: you couldn't win an argument on that basis. And Gristian says,
[4:05:42] Speaker 1: I really can't stress the wing nut timer enough. We
[4:05:47] Speaker 1: get it, we get it, we do need We're gonna
[4:05:51] Speaker 1: get a wing nut timer. And miss Pickle says, oh
[4:05:54] Speaker 1: was that?
[4:05:56] Speaker 9: No nothing?
[4:05:57] Speaker 1: Miss Pickle says the cucumber is evidence of a designer.
[4:06:00] Speaker 1: It's perfectly shaped to go right up. Anyways, Thanks God,
[4:06:04] Speaker 1: you're a good you're a good Judy. Oh my, miss
[4:06:09] Speaker 1: Bickle list, we love that for you. We're not kink
[4:06:14] Speaker 1: shaming here. Whatever you're into, we're here for you. Your
[4:06:24] Speaker 1: business is your business. Jamesons, my evangelical family said that
[4:06:31] Speaker 1: our three branches of government were inspired by the Trinity.
[4:06:34] Speaker 1: Oh my god, Christians should be fun. Yeah, we're cooked, okay,
[4:06:39] Speaker 1: Christmas Christian We're still cooked man slow boasted is bad.
[4:06:46] Speaker 1: This is bad. I when I was young Christian, the
[4:06:50] Speaker 1: words literally left my mouth that us laws are based
[4:06:53] Speaker 1: on the Bible. That phrase left my mouth when I
[4:06:56] Speaker 1: was still young and dumb. Couldn't be further from truth.
[4:07:00] Speaker 1: Gee geez, titty f in christ good to see it tonight,
[4:07:04] Speaker 1: says Finally someone better looking than Justin on stream. Wasn't
[4:07:07] Speaker 1: hard to do, not counting that kitty he unashamably fondled
[4:07:12] Speaker 1: on unapologetic yesterday. The kitty is cute. Kitty is cute.
[4:07:19] Speaker 1: But listen, listen. You can't hold a candle to Christina,
[4:07:24] Speaker 1: that's for sure. The kitties are cute. Will Smooth says
[4:07:28] Speaker 1: kudos on the effectiveness of the philbro clock. That guy
[4:07:32] Speaker 1: gave up in less than five minutes. Doug be praised,
[4:07:34] Speaker 1: Christians be praised. Indeed, that is the case. And Sarah,
[4:07:38] Speaker 1: this is interesting. My ten year old and I are
[4:07:41] Speaker 1: enjoying this live. We're glad for it. Hopefully we didn't
[4:07:44] Speaker 1: traumatize her at all, because you know the topic material.
[4:07:48] Speaker 1: Adam Again, people treat me like God, ignore me until
[4:07:51] Speaker 1: they need help.
[4:07:56] Speaker 9: It's my kids, that is for sure.
[4:08:00] Speaker 1: Tilted Maris says, whenever two or more gathered, Doug and
[4:08:05] Speaker 1: Charin are well. Please love this team up, keep cooking.
[4:08:07] Speaker 1: Look at the pebbles. Doug is everywhere. Indeed, praise pebbles.
[4:08:11] Speaker 1: In fact, have them in Cereal tomorrow morning. Chance says
[4:08:16] Speaker 1: it's beyond our comprehension. But let me tell you about it.
[4:08:19] Speaker 1: M Yeah, and we've heard that one. John says, if
[4:08:24] Speaker 1: you haven't already added deja Vous Roger Waters to the
[4:08:28] Speaker 1: song list, I suggest you do so I listen. I
[4:08:30] Speaker 1: don't even know about that song. It's certainly not on
[4:08:32] Speaker 1: the song list. I'll be adding it here momentarily. Thank
[4:08:37] Speaker 1: you for that, John, And uh Piranha says, here's five
[4:08:42] Speaker 1: dollars for now obligatory tarantula reference. Once I sell my
[4:08:45] Speaker 1: gooty Sapphire spiderlings, Doug will get his proper tithed keep
[4:08:49] Speaker 1: up with the proper cue. Rocott verdeg Well, thank you,
[4:08:51] Speaker 1: I appreciate that. And here's a question from the audience.
[4:08:54] Speaker 1: Does Matthew four prove Jesus was a flur fur? Maybe
[4:08:59] Speaker 1: I've used this in the flur for argument before. When
[4:09:02] Speaker 1: Satan takes him to the highest peak and says he
[4:09:05] Speaker 1: can have all the kingdoms of the world. What's your
[4:09:07] Speaker 1: take on that, Christina.
[4:09:16] Speaker 2: Hold On prove Jesus was a flur Fir was a
[4:09:21] Speaker 2: flat earther. Oh okay, all right, well that's foolishness. I
[4:09:29] Speaker 2: think foolishness. I'm sorry. Only him and Satan on the
[4:09:35] Speaker 2: highest peak. So he had to tell someone he saw
[4:09:38] Speaker 2: all the kingdoms on the earth simultaneously. Yeah. If I
[4:09:42] Speaker 2: don't know, you have to remember that there were people
[4:09:45] Speaker 2: that thought that their entire earth flooded, when more than
[4:09:48] Speaker 2: likely it was a regional occurrence. So yeah, he probably
[4:09:54] Speaker 2: did think that. You know, he was at the tallest
[4:09:56] Speaker 2: part the highest point of the earth ever. Know, that's
[4:10:01] Speaker 2: all make belief.
[4:10:02] Speaker 1: That's some good uh traveling skills. Though, to go from
[4:10:06] Speaker 1: wherever Judea is to wherever the tallest mountain of the
[4:10:09] Speaker 1: world is. I can only assume that they had no
[4:10:12] Speaker 1: idea how big.
[4:10:13] Speaker 9: The world is.
[4:10:14] Speaker 2: Well, I mean, ask the kangaroos right exactly.
[4:10:18] Speaker 1: Indeed, well, God put them out over there.
[4:10:21] Speaker 2: That's how they get back.
[4:10:24] Speaker 1: Magic cohly God.
[4:10:28] Speaker 2: Amen.
[4:10:29] Speaker 1: There was another arc to carry the animals.
[4:10:33] Speaker 2: It was like the Titanic. They had the boats on
[4:10:36] Speaker 2: the side that just like you're going this way. Cool,
[4:10:39] Speaker 2: you jump in this boat that's going east, that one's
[4:10:42] Speaker 2: going west, that one's going it's just sentiment off in
[4:10:44] Speaker 2: different directions.
[4:10:47] Speaker 1: Jordi says, So I've been looking at the trees for
[4:10:49] Speaker 1: days now. What's supposed to happen? Is it like a
[4:10:51] Speaker 1: magic picture, a magic eye picture? Does God just pop
[4:10:54] Speaker 1: out from behind it is? You have to squint and
[4:10:56] Speaker 1: like get close to it and then walk back. It's
[4:10:58] Speaker 1: one of those three D image.
[4:11:00] Speaker 2: I get those all the time, By the way, I
[4:11:03] Speaker 2: just kind of like them.
[4:11:05] Speaker 1: Herbie says, justin at Howard, George Stirrup is desperate to
[4:11:09] Speaker 1: debate you. I've never heard of him. He's claiming in
[4:11:12] Speaker 1: live chat that he has defeated you on ACA shows.
[4:11:15] Speaker 1: I doubt this. I've listen. I have no idea who
[4:11:17] Speaker 1: he is, but I can guarantee he's never called into
[4:11:22] Speaker 1: the ACA and done anything other than make a clown
[4:11:24] Speaker 1: out of himself.
[4:11:31] Speaker 9: I don't make the rules, oh man.
[4:11:36] Speaker 1: Reverend Howard says, after being banished to Hell, why was
[4:11:38] Speaker 1: Satan granted supervised custody visits with Adam and Eve? In
[4:11:42] Speaker 1: Eden's also, how did God get full custody not Satan. Well,
[4:11:47] Speaker 1: I've asked the same question myself. If Satan's so evil
[4:11:50] Speaker 1: and he was a liar and the murderer from the beginning,
[4:11:52] Speaker 1: as Jesus says in the Book of John, why did
[4:11:54] Speaker 1: God give him power over anything? Block the fucker up.
[4:11:58] Speaker 2: I have a theory.
[4:12:00] Speaker 9: Let's have it.
[4:12:01] Speaker 2: Well, you know, God is omniscient. This is all a
[4:12:03] Speaker 2: part of God's like plan. He's when people say, oh,
[4:12:06] Speaker 2: he's not like a genie in this guy. No, he's
[4:12:09] Speaker 2: sid from toy story.
[4:12:13] Speaker 1: That's it.
[4:12:13] Speaker 2: Yeah, the kid on the ant hill with the magnifying
[4:12:17] Speaker 2: glass and taking the dolls apart and putting putting pieces
[4:12:20] Speaker 2: that don't belong together on other things.
[4:12:23] Speaker 7: That's it.
[4:12:24] Speaker 2: I believe the Satan is his thor hammer, if you will,
[4:12:28] Speaker 2: which is why he doesn't destroy him, because he needs him.
[4:12:30] Speaker 2: He uses him to do his bidding.
[4:12:32] Speaker 1: He's a period Yep, I agree, Henchman and Pat, You're right,
[4:12:38] Speaker 1: that was Rob. He changes pf P thinking we weren't
[4:12:41] Speaker 1: gonna recognize his voice as an idiot. Smack says a
[4:12:44] Speaker 1: Rob encounter of the third and too high kind in Indeed,
[4:12:48] Speaker 1: hopefully that guy doesn't come back. He's a buffoon and
[4:12:50] Speaker 1: Ghanna says, just hearing about your baby pie, I'm sorry
[4:12:53] Speaker 1: for your lost justin thank you for the condolences. I'm
[4:12:56] Speaker 1: glad you have new kiddies to snuggle. I know from
[4:12:59] Speaker 1: experience at hell, it really does. They're actually on my
[4:13:01] Speaker 1: desk in front of my computer monitor right now, napping
[4:13:05] Speaker 1: and it's the most adorable mess of kittens right now.
[4:13:09] Speaker 1: I had to remove my keyboard. But yes, the kittens
[4:13:12] Speaker 1: are adorable. Herbie says, my two cats are the best
[4:13:14] Speaker 1: cats in the world, and that's a fact. But your
[4:13:16] Speaker 1: kittens are so cute. I want them well, Herbie, if
[4:13:20] Speaker 1: you're ever in Ohio, you're more than welcome to stop
[4:13:21] Speaker 1: by and you can pet the cats. Although you're sending
[4:13:24] Speaker 1: British pounds, I'm as saying it might be a big
[4:13:27] Speaker 1: trip across the lake. Maren says Christina, I'm so happy
[4:13:32] Speaker 1: you're also on XP after Matt Della, Honey, you're my favorite.
[4:13:37] Speaker 2: Those are high honors, those are very high honors.
[4:13:41] Speaker 9: I am not worthy.
[4:13:42] Speaker 2: Thank you so much.
[4:13:44] Speaker 1: Don't listen to her, she is worthy and m sixty
[4:13:47] Speaker 1: eight says it feels weird to say, but believing in
[4:13:49] Speaker 1: the Bible cheapens it it's far more interesting as a
[4:13:52] Speaker 1: book of mythology, also followed Christina on YouTube. Well, thank
[4:13:55] Speaker 1: you for that, and I agree. The Bible's so much
[4:13:59] Speaker 1: more entertaining once you no longer believe it's true, Like, oh,
[4:14:02] Speaker 1: this is some mythological bullshit, but I'm here for it.
[4:14:05] Speaker 1: And Christian says Is Dalton over on vertical unsubscribed, he's not,
[4:14:10] Speaker 1: he's not. I only wanted to have what I wanted
[4:14:12] Speaker 1: to do a special session with Christina, and so I
[4:14:16] Speaker 1: didn't have like another like a third co host. Obviously
[4:14:19] Speaker 1: MS comes up when we get some good Muslim debate going.
[4:14:21] Speaker 1: But I wanted to make sure we can highlight Christina today.
[4:14:25] Speaker 1: And it's just me, says I subscribe to Christina apps
[4:14:28] Speaker 1: a fusolutely thank you, and Smack says Doug will reveal
[4:14:33] Speaker 1: the truth of the mirrored stream. Well all streams, remember,
[4:14:38] Speaker 1: Doug is all streams. He's not like the Ghostbusters. You
[4:14:40] Speaker 1: can even cross streams, and Daniel says, justin, please do
[4:14:43] Speaker 1: a the Bible contradicts itself stream sometimes also sub to
[4:14:47] Speaker 1: Christina just now, well, thank you, And you know what,
[4:14:50] Speaker 1: it's probably been damn near a year since I've ran
[4:14:54] Speaker 1: the live stream. The Bible contradicts itself, or the Bible
[4:14:56] Speaker 1: has contradictions, it might be time to do that. We
[4:15:00] Speaker 1: get to talk about them fairly often enough. I don't
[4:15:02] Speaker 1: know if we need to dedicate a whole stream to it,
[4:15:03] Speaker 1: but we can do that for you or Kuma says
[4:15:07] Speaker 1: with a beautiful smile. I bet Christina only watches a
[4:15:10] Speaker 1: horizontal stream, unlike the Heathens that watch a vertical stream.
[4:15:15] Speaker 1: I am offended.
[4:15:17] Speaker 2: I actually like the vertical stream to y'all.
[4:15:21] Speaker 1: Just you heard it here. Listen, we started a TikTok.
[4:15:25] Speaker 1: Of course, we're both going to have affinity for vertical
[4:15:28] Speaker 1: Adam says June nineteen ninety Sharon. The Holy was mentioned
[4:15:32] Speaker 1: in the scripture known as Playboy. We do not possess
[4:15:36] Speaker 1: the original paper copy anymore. Obviously, it's an oral tradition.
[4:15:41] Speaker 1: Anyone get it, anyone get.
[4:15:43] Speaker 2: It, I got it, I got it. Individual, Thank you
[4:15:46] Speaker 2: so much?
[4:15:48] Speaker 1: All right, MAXI style M for theological murder. No truer
[4:15:56] Speaker 1: thing has ever been said. And doctor Budge says, m's
[4:15:59] Speaker 1: your voice makes my cat freak out. Not sure if
[4:16:01] Speaker 1: she likes you or not, though meow and looks around
[4:16:04] Speaker 1: for you. It's funny listen. I would too. If I
[4:16:06] Speaker 1: heard M's voice, I'd be looking around and say, who
[4:16:09] Speaker 1: is Who's that? Daddy?
[4:16:13] Speaker 5: Listen?
[4:16:14] Speaker 1: Cats, cats sometimes get interested guys, says a fan of
[4:16:18] Speaker 1: the name of Rose by Umberto Echo. I very much
[4:16:22] Speaker 1: like the Dulcinian heresy. What's your favorite heresy? My favorite
[4:16:27] Speaker 1: heresy is the one that actually makes sense, which partialism.
[4:16:33] Speaker 1: Partialism is the heresy that actually makes the Trinity makes sense,
[4:16:37] Speaker 1: where Jesus only part God, part human rather than one
[4:16:39] Speaker 1: hundred percent human. But they made it heretical. The only
[4:16:43] Speaker 1: logical way of viewing the Trinity was an early, early heresy.
[4:16:46] Speaker 1: That's why it's my favorite, because it makes sense. I
[4:16:49] Speaker 1: don't know, Johannis says breaking j w ST stuck in
[4:16:54] Speaker 1: the mud around conscious sun. What's what's JWST? I should
[4:16:58] Speaker 1: I should feel like I should know that, because you know,
[4:17:01] Speaker 1: I don't do good abbreviations here unless it's like an
[4:17:04] Speaker 1: inside abbreviation from the channel Already, I apologize.
[4:17:10] Speaker 2: I'll just try and figure out the acronym. But never
[4:17:13] Speaker 2: mind that.
[4:17:14] Speaker 1: I was thinking Jehovah Witness something or another. But I
[4:17:16] Speaker 1: don't know what the st is Jehovah Witness systematic theology.
[4:17:25] Speaker 2: Show off.
[4:17:27] Speaker 1: Gretchen's I don't know if that's true. Gretchen's Simon, I'll
[4:17:29] Speaker 1: pay you fifty dollars to call M's an ai. Sorry,
[4:17:35] Speaker 1: that's an inside joke to you have better around for
[4:17:37] Speaker 1: that one. Adam says, pl dial M for Mogwi Mogwi
[4:17:43] Speaker 1: Beatbox New Mix nineteen ninety Oh, I don't never heard
[4:17:46] Speaker 1: of them. Thank you for the new information though, and
[4:17:49] Speaker 1: Pat says, look, I'm subscribed to Christina and ten toes
[4:17:52] Speaker 1: down by the way. Hell yeah, Pat, let's get ten
[4:17:55] Speaker 1: toes down on Christina's channel. And Luke says Simon's denial
[4:17:59] Speaker 1: of Hadith is a pasta. See it would be for
[4:18:03] Speaker 1: some sex. I don't know if all the sex are
[4:18:04] Speaker 1: like that. And how says Simon dodged like his balls
[4:18:09] Speaker 1: didn't drop yet. Now that might be the case. His
[4:18:16] Speaker 1: argument came from experience, and Tornage says, thank you for
[4:18:20] Speaker 1: your content. Just starting my deconstruction journey after a life
[4:18:23] Speaker 1: of hateful judging based out of Christian love. Isn't that
[4:18:25] Speaker 1: the case? They say they're a religion of love. We
[4:18:29] Speaker 1: know that they're not. We're glad you're deconstructing, though, and
[4:18:31] Speaker 1: Peter says, by implication of my religious beliefs, you all
[4:18:34] Speaker 1: shall die, or you all shall all die. You're a jerk. Wow,
[4:18:39] Speaker 1: rude much? What compartmentalization is crazy? It's crazy. You can
[4:18:43] Speaker 1: think that somebody should die for being Aposta, and then
[4:18:45] Speaker 1: when we call you out for it, were the jerks.
[4:18:48] Speaker 1: That's a wild thing to think about. Reverend Ack again says,
[4:18:51] Speaker 1: can we get a Wu tang timer as a palate
[4:18:54] Speaker 1: cleanser for every WU timer call? I think there might
[4:18:57] Speaker 1: be some copyright infringements there, and we have to be careful, well,
[4:19:00] Speaker 1: just enough to make us smile, not enough to get
[4:19:02] Speaker 1: copyright strikes. You thought of that, Yeah, yeah, when it
[4:19:07] Speaker 1: comes to music and movies, you get to be very careful.
[4:19:10] Speaker 1: On YouTube, they will copyright and fringe you like at
[4:19:13] Speaker 1: the drop of a hat. I just use a sound
[4:19:17] Speaker 1: effect once. It was like a five second sound effect,
[4:19:19] Speaker 1: and it got my whole video taken down for demonetization.
[4:19:23] Speaker 1: Denci's color gets his scripture from Vible. That's what it is,
[4:19:28] Speaker 1: the Vible.
[4:19:29] Speaker 2: A lot of them do from now on.
[4:19:32] Speaker 1: Shane says, more, Christina, please French. She has a channel.
[4:19:36] Speaker 1: Make sure you're following it. I see one point one
[4:19:39] Speaker 1: four thousand followers. We need to get closer to one
[4:19:42] Speaker 1: point five. Design says, we don't know the shape of
[4:19:44] Speaker 1: Jesus's words. We know it's not his sphere. Well, that's
[4:19:49] Speaker 1: basically the contradiction he was trying to make. We don't
[4:19:52] Speaker 1: know what his words are, but I know what they're not.
[4:19:54] Speaker 1: And Josh says, pro myth more like prolapse.
[4:19:58] Speaker 2: No, not pro lass.
[4:20:03] Speaker 1: That is that is the case. And Evan good to
[4:20:06] Speaker 1: see if Buddy said the Bible left out the part
[4:20:08] Speaker 1: where everyone had a horrible hangover from Jeebus's Phronsie grade wine.
[4:20:13] Speaker 1: Awesome to see Christina Carrol here, Doug bless you. Indeed, Christina.
[4:20:18] Speaker 1: Everyone's happy to see Christina.
[4:20:20] Speaker 2: I'm happy to be here.
[4:20:22] Speaker 1: Johanna says. The timer for wing Nuts could be the
[4:20:25] Speaker 1: lunatick er. That's it. That's it. I'm writing that down.
[4:20:28] Speaker 1: That's a Luna ticker.
[4:20:31] Speaker 2: Okay, I got ascreative.
[4:20:34] Speaker 1: I love this community.
[4:20:36] Speaker 2: They're amazing.
[4:20:38] Speaker 1: All right, we do, all right. We have a pivot
[4:20:40] Speaker 1: counter now coming and a lunaticker. Brandon says, you are
[4:20:44] Speaker 1: very beautiful, Christina.
[4:20:46] Speaker 2: Thank you.
[4:20:49] Speaker 1: Tim some sat Nero was weak in bed, but I
[4:20:52] Speaker 1: heard he was a beast. Oh great revelation thirteen reference.
[4:20:56] Speaker 1: Thank you for that, Tim, Yes, he certainly was a
[4:20:59] Speaker 1: beast that lee according to the Bible. We don't know
[4:21:02] Speaker 1: about his bedroom performance, however, and Juno says ex adventist here,
[4:21:06] Speaker 1: thank god I left the call every night I fell,
[4:21:10] Speaker 1: you fell asleep. I think you mean to your streams
[4:21:13] Speaker 1: hearing cry babies vibe the morality through the atrocities of
[4:21:17] Speaker 1: that book Love from Brazil. Well, thank you, Jenne. Yes,
[4:21:21] Speaker 1: that's gonna happen. If you're tuning into the stream, they're
[4:21:23] Speaker 1: gonna hear some cry babies. Science Lover says, we know
[4:21:26] Speaker 1: the Last Supper was made by men because it featured
[4:21:29] Speaker 1: a plain white bread, wine and raw meat. Not a
[4:21:34] Speaker 1: fucking piece of seasoning in the entire thing.
[4:21:37] Speaker 2: Nothing nothing, no salt, no pepper.
[4:21:41] Speaker 1: And they put some bullshit up in there like raisins.
[4:21:43] Speaker 1: I guarantee there was raising.
[4:21:47] Speaker 2: Raisins and rosemary and that was it. That was the seasoning.
[4:21:52] Speaker 9: Yuck.
[4:21:53] Speaker 4: Oh.
[4:21:53] Speaker 1: Design says your morals are subjective equals. Where's your where's
[4:21:57] Speaker 1: the divine command theory? We got there, We did get there. Yes,
[4:22:01] Speaker 1: And Design again says, I don't think slavery is bad
[4:22:05] Speaker 1: until God says it is. It's not the win for religion.
[4:22:08] Speaker 1: You think it is, my guy, and that guy couldn't
[4:22:12] Speaker 1: find a win at all. Erzmond says, God asked a
[4:22:16] Speaker 1: prophet to eat shite bread. I think you mean zee eel,
[4:22:20] Speaker 1: the bread baked over dung and we to Harlet. Yeah,
[4:22:24] Speaker 1: that was Josea, It says, why do Christians act like
[4:22:29] Speaker 1: baby paste is a line? Because they can't think logically.
[4:22:32] Speaker 1: They're up here and they're already concussed. They're just like
[4:22:35] Speaker 1: stumbling around trying to find an argument without falling down,
[4:22:39] Speaker 1: and they have no idea what's happening. The Blexican says
[4:22:43] Speaker 1: calling a black woman emotional when talking about slavery is
[4:22:46] Speaker 1: fucking crazy. I agree, unfucking real.
[4:22:49] Speaker 2: These people unhinged for sure.
[4:22:52] Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, you know what, I don't want to
[4:22:55] Speaker 1: get back on that, but that kissed me off, unhinged.
[4:22:59] Speaker 1: I was emotional after hearing that. Assats say that. Well,
[4:23:03] Speaker 1: like Mammoth says, I'll sub to Christina if she switches
[4:23:06] Speaker 1: to the vertical squad. Listen, we will not be doing
[4:23:10] Speaker 1: the schism. Friends. We are all on the same team.
[4:23:15] Speaker 2: We gotta stick together.
[4:23:16] Speaker 1: Okay, we're all together. David says, best color objectively not
[4:23:21] Speaker 1: Brown's mistake on the lake. Listen. I hate that I
[4:23:26] Speaker 1: have to agree with you, but it's true. The Browns
[4:23:30] Speaker 1: are terrible, but I don't think the Browns count as
[4:23:33] Speaker 1: a color. That being said, the Browns orange scheme.
[4:23:36] Speaker 11: Not my favorite.
[4:23:37] Speaker 1: We could do better, sorry, Cleveland, but it is what
[4:23:40] Speaker 1: it is. Nathaniel says, if morals are entirely subjective, what
[4:23:45] Speaker 1: makes justice binding? Since slavery, genocide, and grape is wrong
[4:23:49] Speaker 1: despite the Bible condoning it, aren't some morals slash justice
[4:23:53] Speaker 1: not entirely matter of opinion? Well, that's the thing. If
[4:23:56] Speaker 1: if some of them are just wrong, no matter what
[4:23:58] Speaker 1: that means, they can't come from God's mind. It's not possible, right.
[4:24:04] Speaker 4: Or else.
[4:24:05] Speaker 1: That means God is following objective morals that he didn't
[4:24:07] Speaker 1: create him, says blessed are the are the whores and
[4:24:11] Speaker 1: the verts are blinded by the black bars and limited
[4:24:15] Speaker 1: in their vision by aspect Rachel, this schism must stop.
[4:24:19] Speaker 1: We are not a house divided. A house divided will
[4:24:23] Speaker 1: not stand stand and says, there we go. I optus
[4:24:29] Speaker 1: minds rhymes were with you I'm tired of the schism talk.
[4:24:32] Speaker 1: I would like to remind everyone of Doug's code. Up, up, down, down, left, right, left, right,
[4:24:38] Speaker 1: be a star. The Konamic code of Doug is true.
[4:24:42] Speaker 1: Doug is omni directional.
[4:24:45] Speaker 2: Was that wasn't that from like Atari or something like?
[4:24:48] Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the original Konami cheat code. Is like the
[4:24:51] Speaker 1: godfather of all cheat codes, and we agree he is
[4:24:56] Speaker 1: anti baby paste.
[4:24:58] Speaker 9: That is the case.
[4:24:59] Speaker 1: Doc Chloral says, henceforth, Doug shall be confessed as origin
[4:25:02] Speaker 1: of all coordinates, neither above nor beside, but in eternal
[4:25:06] Speaker 1: diagonal repose orthogon restored agreed all angles. Doug is all angles,
[4:25:13] Speaker 1: and Lord aluminous poo. Good to see this, says I
[4:25:15] Speaker 1: read an article about an eighty year old woman marrying
[4:25:17] Speaker 1: an eighty three year old man and thought, oh, that's
[4:25:19] Speaker 1: not gonna.
[4:25:24] Speaker 2: Oh it's not gonna last.
[4:25:27] Speaker 1: I mean, it's true, but it'll last.
[4:25:31] Speaker 2: It just won't last long.
[4:25:33] Speaker 1: That cuts sh Sorry, I think I.
[4:25:38] Speaker 2: Might have made it worse.
[4:25:40] Speaker 1: Lew says, if God existed for eternity past, what was
[4:25:43] Speaker 1: he doing before deciding to create? Why then in not
[4:25:47] Speaker 1: a light year or an instant prior? Was it random? Nonsense.
[4:25:51] Speaker 1: So this is a fair point, Like, at what point
[4:25:55] Speaker 1: did God decide he was going to create this mess?
[4:25:57] Speaker 1: If he existed for all of eternity, was he just
[4:25:59] Speaker 1: chilling by himself for all of attorney and finally got
[4:26:02] Speaker 1: tired of it? Like what a weird thing to believe?
[4:26:05] Speaker 1: Or are we one iteration? Maybe there was thousands of
[4:26:08] Speaker 1: iterations before us, and he got bored and killed them
[4:26:11] Speaker 1: all and tried again like he did with a flood.
[4:26:14] Speaker 1: Oh well, I am the darkness, says Christina. I find
[4:26:17] Speaker 1: saying wet for Sharon, cringy and just nasty. I sense
[4:26:21] Speaker 1: you feel the same. Sorry, doesn't well other than I.
[4:26:23] Speaker 1: First of all, I didn't make up the saying. A
[4:26:25] Speaker 1: woman in our community made up the saying, and I'm
[4:26:28] Speaker 1: just repurposing it. It's okay. If it makes you uncomfortable,
[4:26:33] Speaker 1: you can we can find another slogan if it makes
[4:26:36] Speaker 1: you uncomfortable. But uh, I mean it matches the other slogan,
[4:26:41] Speaker 1: which is a double entendre rock hard for Doug sometimes
[4:26:44] Speaker 1: in atheist communities like you got double on tundras. We're
[4:26:48] Speaker 1: not Christians. We don't have to buy buy any code.
[4:26:51] Speaker 2: And I find this comment slightly misogynous, because why are
[4:26:55] Speaker 2: we giving Sharon a hard time?
[4:26:57] Speaker 13: Why?
[4:26:57] Speaker 2: Why is wet for Sharon getting a hard time but
[4:27:00] Speaker 2: not hard for Doug exactly?
[4:27:02] Speaker 1: Indeed, indeed, I don't like it.
[4:27:04] Speaker 2: I don't like the undertone.
[4:27:06] Speaker 1: Sharon is the co redemptics of reality. We have to
[4:27:10] Speaker 1: give her all the honor due. And Cameron says, w
[4:27:13] Speaker 1: guests forgot their name. I lost a few tears. Thank
[4:27:16] Speaker 1: you for delivering kind words justin well, Cameron, when we
[4:27:20] Speaker 1: get good guests, sometimes we have to be nice to them.
[4:27:23] Speaker 1: I understand that some guests need to be beat up,
[4:27:25] Speaker 1: but not all the guests Blissedisha amazing name. By the way,
[4:27:28] Speaker 1: it says, I'm deconstructing right now, and it's absolutely so painful.
[4:27:31] Speaker 1: It's just awful. I feel like I've been abused. I
[4:27:35] Speaker 1: relate to that. What about you?
[4:27:37] Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I said, like when I started deconstructing, it
[4:27:41] Speaker 2: was you go through the phases and I was really
[4:27:44] Speaker 2: just sad and disappointed and I felt betrayed and lied too.
[4:27:48] Speaker 2: And I went through all those like this, the sad part,
[4:27:52] Speaker 2: and then I got angry and I wasn't much of
[4:27:55] Speaker 2: a fun person because everything just pissed me. Off because
[4:27:59] Speaker 2: I'm like, more I read, I'm.
[4:28:01] Speaker 3: Like what what?
[4:28:02] Speaker 4: What?
[4:28:03] Speaker 2: It's that getting punched in the gut every time you
[4:28:05] Speaker 2: open the book. So I had to take a little
[4:28:07] Speaker 2: bit of time away from from doing it for a
[4:28:10] Speaker 2: little bit. But you know, it's something that she has
[4:28:12] Speaker 2: to just keep doing. It's it's necessary. It's painful, but growing. Uh,
[4:28:17] Speaker 2: they're growing pains for a reason.
[4:28:20] Speaker 1: I was like you, I went through an angry phase,
[4:28:22] Speaker 1: and I don't know how long yours was, but mine
[4:28:25] Speaker 1: was probably longer than I cared to mention. Luckily, Luckily,
[4:28:30] Speaker 1: during my angry phase, I didn't talk to anybody about it.
[4:28:34] Speaker 1: I might have been unpleasant. Yeah. Yeah, our friend Jake
[4:28:41] Speaker 1: is here tonight. Get to see it from Exodus Brothers.
[4:28:43] Speaker 1: Says a man with delusions of grandeur walks into a
[4:28:46] Speaker 1: pub and orders everyone around.
[4:28:50] Speaker 5: Oh.
[4:28:50] Speaker 1: I like that, Jake, always, Buddy, that is good Jake.
[4:28:56] Speaker 1: I appreciate that. Average Joe, although I guarantee you're not so,
[4:29:00] Speaker 1: says I was going to join, But I really just
[4:29:02] Speaker 1: have one question. How do you rid yourself of health fier?
[4:29:06] Speaker 1: I find it still struggle with this, cheers. How did
[4:29:10] Speaker 1: you deal with that? I know how I did it,
[4:29:11] Speaker 1: but I'm curious about your journey.
[4:29:13] Speaker 2: I like most of my life was spent with healthier
[4:29:21] Speaker 2: I was afraid as a kid. I was afraid to
[4:29:22] Speaker 2: go to sleep. I was one of those kids that
[4:29:24] Speaker 2: was like going to the altar every Sunday, like to
[4:29:26] Speaker 2: give my life to Christ again, just because I know
[4:29:29] Speaker 2: I didn't do something my mom told me to do,
[4:29:31] Speaker 2: or like I may have thought something or whatever. So
[4:29:36] Speaker 2: I was terrified. I think I've talked about it before
[4:29:38] Speaker 2: on the Live, but having to come out of it,
[4:29:41] Speaker 2: I had to just it didn't happen right away. I
[4:29:45] Speaker 2: got to a point where first I was like, I
[4:29:47] Speaker 2: don't care if it does exist, like you know, but
[4:29:49] Speaker 2: now I'm just like, I know more. It's not logical,
[4:29:52] Speaker 2: it doesn't logically follow, there's no evidence of it, and
[4:29:55] Speaker 2: being afraid of things that I don't have evidence for.
[4:29:59] Speaker 2: It was just a an awareness that I was still
[4:30:02] Speaker 2: attached somehow to that religion. And once I completely severed
[4:30:07] Speaker 2: that tie, the fear went away.
[4:30:10] Speaker 1: Yeah, that that was my process too, Like I never
[4:30:13] Speaker 1: had to try to get rid of the fear of hell.
[4:30:16] Speaker 1: It just left, like when my brain realized that it
[4:30:20] Speaker 1: wasn't none of it was true. Well, I wasn't afraid
[4:30:22] Speaker 1: of hell because I didn't believe Hell existed, so it
[4:30:24] Speaker 1: was like, okay, So like average Joe, it sounds like
[4:30:28] Speaker 1: your brain hasn't fully rid itself of the belief one percent,
[4:30:32] Speaker 1: but it will. I promise, just keep on the journey.
[4:30:35] Speaker 1: Rory says, I prefer horizontal. Well, thank you for being
[4:30:38] Speaker 1: here on either of them, says I don't have the
[4:30:41] Speaker 1: core strength for vertical. Oh you were talking about screen orientation.
[4:30:47] Speaker 1: Oh yeah, me too.
[4:30:51] Speaker 13: I get that.
[4:30:52] Speaker 1: I get that, Rory, thank you for the super chest.
[4:30:56] Speaker 1: And timsons I'm an agnostic, apathetic atheist. I do not
[4:30:59] Speaker 1: know and I do not care, but I do not
[4:31:02] Speaker 1: believe there is a god. Actually, there's a lot of
[4:31:03] Speaker 1: people like that. I do kind of care about the topic. Obviously,
[4:31:08] Speaker 1: why do the live stream because I think religion is harmful,
[4:31:10] Speaker 1: But I can definitely understand the apathetic point of view
[4:31:14] Speaker 1: why some would be there. Cookie says, thank you mods
[4:31:18] Speaker 1: and everyone who answered. For some reason, I thought he
[4:31:22] Speaker 1: was talking about TikTok. Apologies followed thanks yes, Cookie, Yes,
[4:31:27] Speaker 1: Now listen, Christina does have a TikTok. It's Christina Carrol.
[4:31:31] Speaker 1: If you're watching on TikTok I guarantee you already followed her.
[4:31:34] Speaker 1: She's in the bottom of the screen. You can click her.
[4:31:36] Speaker 1: But if you're watching on YouTube, her YouTube channel is
[4:31:39] Speaker 1: in the description of this video. We've got one point
[4:31:42] Speaker 1: one six thousand followers to day. Let's at least get
[4:31:44] Speaker 1: one point two friends. We got to get over the
[4:31:46] Speaker 1: one point two hump. Gretchen again says when MS, I'm
[4:31:50] Speaker 1: in AI laughed my fucking apphle jay, please give this
[4:31:54] Speaker 1: to MS. I mean, listen, I will do it for you, Gretchen.
[4:31:59] Speaker 1: And MS, I'm sure is thankful and space wart says,
[4:32:02] Speaker 1: MS is kuronic kryptonite, the Muslim boogeyman. Yes, when when
[4:32:07] Speaker 1: Islamic people go to bed, they check another bed at night.
[4:32:09] Speaker 1: For MS, that's what happens the babiyaga. He's the gin
[4:32:16] Speaker 1: that they're warned about. Right, MS have a cash app.
[4:32:21] Speaker 1: I'm an adult, so don't use TikTok okay. So MS
[4:32:25] Speaker 1: may or may not have a cash app. I don't
[4:32:27] Speaker 1: know that. Being said, next time he's up, we can
[4:32:30] Speaker 1: ask him and see what we come up with. And
[4:32:33] Speaker 1: Mos vet interesting name, says The Arabic language is rich
[4:32:37] Speaker 1: leveled out. Does not mean flat read the exe jesus LAMU.
[4:32:42] Speaker 1: And M's is a clown? What a liar? Oh Moss
[4:32:44] Speaker 1: fed up here cry and that his religion isn't true?
[4:32:47] Speaker 1: Yeah okay, Well, the Arabic speaker on the stream agrees
[4:32:51] Speaker 1: with me. I don't know if you're a native or
[4:32:54] Speaker 1: a second language Arabic speaker, but I don't have to
[4:32:57] Speaker 1: tell you. I mean, I didn't learn Arabic. I only
[4:33:00] Speaker 1: tell you what other people can tell me. Dwayne says
[4:33:03] Speaker 1: just joined the crack and elite. Hell yeah, I've seen
[4:33:06] Speaker 1: all of your team ups, new and old, and I
[4:33:09] Speaker 1: can tell you Christina is a vibe. Hell yeah, she
[4:33:11] Speaker 1: is great co worker chemistry Listen. Christina is actually used
[4:33:15] Speaker 1: to streaming with partners and multiple people, so she's really
[4:33:20] Speaker 1: she's really a great co host anywhere she goes. But
[4:33:23] Speaker 1: also she's also a great main host on her own channel,
[4:33:26] Speaker 1: so make sure you're tuning into her channel. And Mosfette
[4:33:29] Speaker 1: again came up to cry about his Muslim faith not
[4:33:31] Speaker 1: being real. So talk to Muslim lantern. No thanks, not
[4:33:35] Speaker 1: baby Muslims, No thanks, no offense to him, but he
[4:33:38] Speaker 1: doesn't know anything. Also, M's as the clown, I can
[4:33:40] Speaker 1: tell EM's really got into your fief fees. But listen, Masa,
[4:33:43] Speaker 1: you can pay me all the money you want to
[4:33:45] Speaker 1: cry in the comments. I won't stop you. Reverend Nate says, ems,
[4:33:49] Speaker 1: stop stop he's already dead. Well, good thing we didn't stop,
[4:33:56] Speaker 1: because he came to some points of agreement and actually
[4:33:59] Speaker 1: started he constructing. So Xanabutu says, I'm about I'm sorry,
[4:34:06] Speaker 1: I'm deconstructing Mormon. And it's amazing how the apologetics for Mormonism, Christianity,
[4:34:10] Speaker 1: and Islam all the exact same. It is, there's nothing
[4:34:13] Speaker 1: new in Abrahamic politics, right, I mean, the only thing
[4:34:17] Speaker 1: Islam brings to the brings to the discussion is like
[4:34:20] Speaker 1: it's okay to marry six year olds, Like that's that's
[4:34:23] Speaker 1: their unique form of apologetics. But yeah, they're all the same.
[4:34:28] Speaker 1: Jagged says, the objective purpose is to get to heaven.
[4:34:32] Speaker 1: Stuff cracks me up. What is the purpose when you
[4:34:34] Speaker 1: get to heaven?
[4:34:35] Speaker 15: Then?
[4:34:35] Speaker 1: Why is a signing purpose? This is actually a really
[4:34:38] Speaker 1: good point. Why is getting to heaven the purpose? Like
[4:34:42] Speaker 1: that's such a weird, arbitrary thing, because if God had
[4:34:44] Speaker 1: a purpose that he wanted people in heaven, he could
[4:34:48] Speaker 1: have just created us in.
[4:34:48] Speaker 2: Heaven, right in heaven, Like, why the why the test?
[4:34:52] Speaker 1: If he knows all things? It's crazy, does he said?
[4:34:58] Speaker 1: Because we need an ex use for the bullshit down here.
[4:35:03] Speaker 1: M succeed says, we need atheist Koran study with MS.
[4:35:06] Speaker 1: I would. I would tune in every time for that.
[4:35:10] Speaker 1: Doctor Fudge says, why eat everything when you'll just be
[4:35:13] Speaker 1: hungry later? Yeah, it matters now, kid. It doesn't matter
[4:35:17] Speaker 1: that I won't be a thousand years from now, or
[4:35:21] Speaker 1: it matters now.
[4:35:22] Speaker 5: It does.
[4:35:23] Speaker 1: It's like if you're watching a good movie, you're not
[4:35:24] Speaker 1: gonna be well, fuck, the movie's gonna end someday. I
[4:35:26] Speaker 1: might as well quit it now. You know you want
[4:35:27] Speaker 1: to see the movie like you still want to play
[4:35:29] Speaker 1: it out and uh, Luke says, congrats on the one
[4:35:33] Speaker 1: case subscribers, Chris love this community. Friends, we're almost a
[4:35:39] Speaker 1: one point too. Friends, Let's get it. Let's get it.
[4:35:43] Speaker 1: We should say hypothesis not theory. Maybe, Uh, they don't
[4:35:47] Speaker 1: know the difference between them. I gotta be honest. Most
[4:35:50] Speaker 1: of the believers we talked to don't know the difference.
[4:35:53] Speaker 1: They don't know the definition of either. Like it doesn't
[4:35:55] Speaker 1: matter which one we use. They don't know the definition right.
[4:35:59] Speaker 3: Now.
[4:35:59] Speaker 1: Ben says, nothing in nature happens as a singularity. Why
[4:36:02] Speaker 1: should the Big Bang be any different?
[4:36:05] Speaker 3: Ben?
[4:36:05] Speaker 1: I agree, and I don't believe there ever was a singularity.
[4:36:08] Speaker 1: I think the singularity wasn't a thing that existed. It
[4:36:11] Speaker 1: just describes a It describes a mathematical reality, which is
[4:36:15] Speaker 1: at some point prior to the Big Bang, our math
[4:36:20] Speaker 1: stops mathing right, which means either our model needs adjusted
[4:36:24] Speaker 1: or there we need to learn more.
[4:36:25] Speaker 9: That's all.
[4:36:26] Speaker 1: It doesn't mean that there was a actual singularity. M
[4:36:31] Speaker 1: A Bus says, take a look at Voyager's photo of
[4:36:34] Speaker 1: Earth in a sun ray. It puts the question of
[4:36:37] Speaker 1: purpose into perspective when you see this speck of dust. Yeah,
[4:36:40] Speaker 1: I've heard that before. When people go to space and
[4:36:43] Speaker 1: look how small the Earth is, they kind of realize
[4:36:47] Speaker 1: that there's were kind of insignificant in the world. And
[4:36:50] Speaker 1: I can get that, Like, if you look from outer space,
[4:36:53] Speaker 1: we're like a tiny, tiny, teeny tiny speck of a
[4:36:55] Speaker 1: dust on a bigger speck of dust in like a
[4:36:59] Speaker 1: vast ocean of objects a million Like there's like there's
[4:37:03] Speaker 1: like like three hundred million sons can fit into the
[4:37:06] Speaker 1: biggest son of the universe, like three hundred million of
[4:37:08] Speaker 1: our sons or some nonsense like that. Is crazy to
[4:37:11] Speaker 1: even think about the universe is gigantic. Yeah, but dudah, says.
[4:37:16] Speaker 1: A friend of mine asked, do you think we meet
[4:37:18] Speaker 1: everyone again after we die? I replied, A, I bloody
[4:37:22] Speaker 1: hope not. That would be awful. And I can agree
[4:37:24] Speaker 1: with that, I say, I hope that. And Frank isn't
[4:37:28] Speaker 1: chilling with Hitler up in heaven.
[4:37:29] Speaker 2: We don't need to imagine.
[4:37:32] Speaker 1: It's the craziest thing to think about. When says, can
[4:37:35] Speaker 1: you each please rank the Abrahamic by silliness?
[4:37:40] Speaker 9: Also high?
[4:37:40] Speaker 1: Christina, Hi, how would you rank the Abrahamic faith in silliness?
[4:37:46] Speaker 1: I guess it's one, one, two, and three?
[4:37:49] Speaker 4: Right?
[4:37:50] Speaker 2: I was talking about Islam, Christianity, and Judaism. Mhm, ranking them?
[4:38:00] Speaker 2: Can they all be three? Can they all be one?
[4:38:04] Speaker 2: Because the time, all of it's nonsense, all of it's harriful, like,
[4:38:09] Speaker 2: I don't, I can't, I can't, Okay, all right, for
[4:38:14] Speaker 2: the sake of the for the sake of the conversation,
[4:38:16] Speaker 2: which which one? If we're ranking, what's one is the silliest?
[4:38:22] Speaker 1: I'm gonna rank Islam as the most silly in Judaism
[4:38:25] Speaker 1: and Christianity just under Islam.
[4:38:32] Speaker 2: Oh their neck. And next they both got talking donkeys
[4:38:35] Speaker 2: and donkeys that fly and snakes that talk, and it's
[4:38:41] Speaker 2: just all bad. But yeah, no, I like, I I can,
[4:38:43] Speaker 2: I can go. I would put yeah, I would put that.
[4:38:47] Speaker 2: Split moons, that's split? Are we serious? It's insulting.
[4:38:52] Speaker 1: It's really bad. I don't know. You're right, they're so silly.
[4:38:56] Speaker 1: All three of them are absolutely silly. Night man says, eyes, tongues,
[4:39:01] Speaker 1: feet and hands, growing mouths and speaking their sins. David
[4:39:05] Speaker 1: Cronenberg's The Koran. Yeah now in an animated series. Jamiel,
[4:39:14] Speaker 1: good to see you, Thank you for the fifty dollars,
[4:39:16] Speaker 1: super chet. That's Hugh, just get some ws for Jamiel says,
[4:39:19] Speaker 1: I was here for the normal content, and then Christina
[4:39:22] Speaker 1: got me super infatuated all aphrodite style. El and was
[4:39:27] Speaker 1: here for the normal content, and then Christina got me
[4:39:30] Speaker 1: super infatuated all aphrodites. I think it is a duplicate.
[4:39:34] Speaker 1: Subscribed immediately thimping for.
[4:39:36] Speaker 2: Doug, Well, thank you, appreciate that.
[4:39:40] Speaker 1: He meant it so much.
[4:39:41] Speaker 2: He said it twice so nice had to say it twice.
[4:39:45] Speaker 1: I don't blame you. I don't blame you it Aaron says,
[4:39:50] Speaker 1: does ems have a YouTube channel or a place I
[4:39:52] Speaker 1: can watch him discuss Islam? He does not. He actually
[4:39:55] Speaker 1: has the day job. He's a medical doctor. He like
[4:39:57] Speaker 1: he's doing big boy stuff like he's not, although he's
[4:40:01] Speaker 1: not slumming down with me all this time. That's the
[4:40:03] Speaker 1: only thing more rich then his voice is his wealth
[4:40:06] Speaker 1: of knowledge. His voice is amazing. And I know people
[4:40:10] Speaker 1: think that it's like a voice modulator, it's not. That's
[4:40:14] Speaker 1: really what the what the man sounds like. It's it's amazing.
[4:40:17] Speaker 1: Josh says, needless to say, I've subscribed to Christina, Well,
[4:40:21] Speaker 1: thank you, thank you. Mags agrees, loving the Live with Christina,
[4:40:27] Speaker 1: keep cooking and praise Doug.
[4:40:29] Speaker 2: Praise Doug.
[4:40:30] Speaker 1: We're all in agreement. Team says, isn't it sad how
[4:40:33] Speaker 1: these religions make people sacrifice not only their intellectual integrity,
[4:40:37] Speaker 1: but their decency as well. Yeah, yeah, yeah, couldn't agree.
[4:40:43] Speaker 1: More mere banana, You're not just a mere banana to us,
[4:40:48] Speaker 1: You're a real banana. So John three sixteen la mau
[4:40:51] Speaker 1: psych Yes, God does not desire that all will come
[4:40:55] Speaker 1: to him and be saved, or else he'd make it happen. Colavering,
[4:40:59] Speaker 1: what's plaveroring me? Colavering with Pim says Pope Joan is
[4:41:03] Speaker 1: agreed by scholars to be completely fictional. Oh well, that
[4:41:07] Speaker 1: that would be why I've never heard of Pope Joe never,
[4:41:11] Speaker 1: not even one. Ribende says, uh, the arc had a
[4:41:16] Speaker 1: continental lifeboats you sold me Christina.
[4:41:21] Speaker 2: Period.
[4:41:22] Speaker 1: You started a new apologetic Christina.
[4:41:24] Speaker 2: And I told you this. If y'all can make it up,
[4:41:27] Speaker 2: so can I. I'm gonna I'm gonna do edits and
[4:41:29] Speaker 2: I'm going to add appendixes. Did I say appendices?
[4:41:35] Speaker 1: I think we took it.
[4:41:36] Speaker 9: We need men.
[4:41:38] Speaker 1: Tim says if history is written by the victor and
[4:41:40] Speaker 1: God killed billions more than Satan, the bad guy won
[4:41:44] Speaker 1: and wrote the book.
[4:41:45] Speaker 4: Duh.
[4:41:45] Speaker 1: Yeah, that's why these Philbroughs can't answer the question how
[4:41:50] Speaker 1: do you know that your God is good? They'll never
[4:41:52] Speaker 1: be able to answer it. And Nala says, actually, Christina,
[4:41:55] Speaker 1: I've heard you ask the guests that question before, how
[4:41:58] Speaker 1: do you know that your God is good? And nobody
[4:41:59] Speaker 1: can answer the question. They can't do it.
[4:42:02] Speaker 2: I have a results that they don't care if the
[4:42:05] Speaker 2: God is good. As long as the God said or
[4:42:07] Speaker 2: did the thing, it's all right.
[4:42:09] Speaker 1: Right, Nallah says, behold the m the one who pours
[4:42:14] Speaker 1: fear in the hearts of the deceitful followers of Aiza Diddler. Yeah,
[4:42:20] Speaker 1: you talked about Ayisha the Diddler. Yeah, A big W
[4:42:23] Speaker 1: for m always a big W for m. MS is
[4:42:25] Speaker 1: an unbelievable member of the community and a handsome cat. Says, Hey,
[4:42:29] Speaker 1: can Kristin it be on more often? She's adult.
[4:42:33] Speaker 4: Sure.
[4:42:34] Speaker 1: We'll definitely be doing more special streams in the future
[4:42:37] Speaker 1: with other creators in the community. This is our first
[4:42:40] Speaker 1: time with this particular format, and I think it worked
[4:42:44] Speaker 1: out pretty well. It's really it's a good way to
[4:42:46] Speaker 1: highlight other creators in the community because I love this
[4:42:51] Speaker 1: community and I think there's a lot of people that
[4:42:53] Speaker 1: I follow that you guys might not know yet. I
[4:42:54] Speaker 1: want to make sure everybody knows them. And so we're
[4:42:57] Speaker 1: gonna do everything that we can. And I want to
[4:42:59] Speaker 1: see Chrisina's channel grow and get monetized. She's on the way.
[4:43:02] Speaker 1: She's over one thousand now, she's at one point one
[4:43:05] Speaker 1: point nine. We're almost a one point two and once
[4:43:08] Speaker 1: she gets three thousand watch hours on YouTube, which once
[4:43:12] Speaker 1: you start uploading her content, she'll be able to get that.
[4:43:15] Speaker 1: She's going to be monetized, and before you know it,
[4:43:16] Speaker 1: we're going to get her pumping out content all over
[4:43:19] Speaker 1: the place. And you'll get as much Christina as you
[4:43:21] Speaker 1: can get your fill of.
[4:43:22] Speaker 2: And you can tolerate.
[4:43:24] Speaker 1: I can't wait, Atlas says, started listening while on trail run.
[4:43:29] Speaker 1: Thank you for that, by the way, Alice, good to
[4:43:31] Speaker 1: see you, It says, you guys were a great company.
[4:43:33] Speaker 1: Now home and can super chat. I'm loving Christina's input
[4:43:37] Speaker 1: and thoughts. I just subscribed to her YouTube. Thank you,
[4:43:39] Speaker 1: justin well, thank you, Atlas, thank you. That's what we want,
[4:43:43] Speaker 1: that's what we want. Matt says, just found d Z recently.
[4:43:47] Speaker 1: Is there a support group for deconstructing? I would join
[4:43:52] Speaker 1: the discord community. I don't know how good it is.
[4:43:54] Speaker 1: We have really well formed support groups like Freedom from
[4:43:57] Speaker 1: Religion that offer all all kinds of services. Ours is
[4:44:02] Speaker 1: more of a we're gonna call it a chat not
[4:44:05] Speaker 1: a chat forum. But it's like if you're old like me,
[4:44:08] Speaker 1: if you're forty plus and you know what chat forums are.
[4:44:11] Speaker 1: It operates kind of similar to that, except as you know,
[4:44:14] Speaker 1: a little more modern. I guess you would say a
[4:44:17] Speaker 1: little bit and uh, cyber deconstruction. You know, Christina Grete.
[4:44:22] Speaker 1: But he says, if you're not following Christina, what is
[4:44:24] Speaker 1: the name of Doug and Sharon and Rocky? What in
[4:44:28] Speaker 1: the name of Doug, Sharon and Rocky are you doing
[4:44:30] Speaker 1: with your life? You're wasting it, Absolutely wasting it. I agree,
[4:44:36] Speaker 1: and Ben followed up, thank you so much for the
[4:44:38] Speaker 1: additional Supertesch says, you missed my point justin I'm sorry.
[4:44:40] Speaker 1: I probably did. Other than sometimes I don't catch everything.
[4:44:45] Speaker 1: Nothing in nature happens in a singularity, suggesting possible multiple
[4:44:49] Speaker 1: big Okay, so if nothing happens in a singularity, then
[4:44:53] Speaker 1: we My understanding is we wouldn't have.
[4:44:55] Speaker 4: A big bang.
[4:44:56] Speaker 1: Let me explain briefly, Okay, I don't think singulatarities exist.
[4:44:59] Speaker 1: I'll give you you example. So I was in my
[4:45:02] Speaker 1: backgrounds in robotics, and there's something we have to do
[4:45:04] Speaker 1: in robotics.
[4:45:05] Speaker 11: When you have a.
[4:45:06] Speaker 1: Multi axis machine, you can't divide by zero in math,
[4:45:12] Speaker 1: it's not a thing, right like, so you have to
[4:45:14] Speaker 1: when you're calculating your coordinates, you have to avoid a
[4:45:17] Speaker 1: situation in which the math your kinematics will force you
[4:45:20] Speaker 1: to divide by zero. We call this avoiding singularity. So
[4:45:24] Speaker 1: you might have two axes that are that are moving
[4:45:26] Speaker 1: in free time. In order to compute where your tip
[4:45:29] Speaker 1: is on the robot, you have to end up dividing
[4:45:32] Speaker 1: by zero. So we'll actually skip over a position rather
[4:45:36] Speaker 1: than moving through a position, just to avoid having to
[4:45:39] Speaker 1: break math by dividing by zero. We call this avoiding singularity.
[4:45:43] Speaker 1: The same thing is happening when we talk about the
[4:45:46] Speaker 1: singularity of the Big Bang. It's a point in which
[4:45:49] Speaker 1: the math stops working. It's not a point that actually existed,
[4:45:52] Speaker 1: Like there was not an an existence of a singularity,
[4:45:56] Speaker 1: because that would that would imply that at some point
[4:45:59] Speaker 1: dividing zero was a thing, you know what I mean?
[4:46:02] Speaker 1: So like I may not fully understand your point, Ben Hook,
[4:46:05] Speaker 1: but that's when I say singularity. I'm using it as
[4:46:09] Speaker 1: this is where math no longer works. It's not a
[4:46:12] Speaker 1: thing that could exist in real life, you know what
[4:46:14] Speaker 1: I mean. Globe for life or globe is life. We
[4:46:17] Speaker 1: agree with you. I was four when I asked mommy
[4:46:21] Speaker 1: how she could enjoy heaven whilst I burn if we
[4:46:23] Speaker 1: got separated in the afterlife. I didn't like her answer.
[4:46:26] Speaker 1: Cult vibes zero out of ten. Yeah, how could you?
[4:46:29] Speaker 1: How could you possibly enjoy heaven when your loved ones
[4:46:31] Speaker 1: are burning in hell? I could not? And everlasting Gobseupper says,
[4:46:36] Speaker 1: loving this split screen for Matt. Christina is a great guest.
[4:46:40] Speaker 1: You're making huge waves over here in Australia, Cape.
[4:46:44] Speaker 9: Cook and legend.
[4:46:45] Speaker 1: Well, thank you, and she is. She is pretty soon
[4:46:48] Speaker 1: on YouTube. She's gonna be as big as she is
[4:46:51] Speaker 1: on TikTok. I don't know if you guys know this,
[4:46:52] Speaker 1: but she's huge on TikTok. But we need to get
[4:46:55] Speaker 1: her on YouTube. So she made her dave you on
[4:47:00] Speaker 1: on TikTok, But we're gonna get We're gonna blow her up.
[4:47:03] Speaker 1: Plavering with Pim says Plavering means profuse, and I'll talk.
[4:47:09] Speaker 5: Oh it's a good word.
[4:47:11] Speaker 1: I might remember plavering, Okay, I like that. Duke of
[4:47:17] Speaker 1: Shaska says Christina made me renounce my heresy and acknowledge
[4:47:20] Speaker 1: all orientations of Doug or her Doug. When caller kept
[4:47:24] Speaker 1: bringing her up for no reason. He made me mad.
[4:47:28] Speaker 2: He just kept saying my name and leave me out
[4:47:30] Speaker 2: of it now, I know what Satan feels like.
[4:47:33] Speaker 1: You know, they couldn't stop.
[4:47:36] Speaker 2: I don't want to be a part of it.
[4:47:39] Speaker 1: And Cheezy Chess is, what do you guys think of
[4:47:41] Speaker 1: trying to legislate cycularism in law to push out the
[4:47:44] Speaker 1: harm in religion in government without harming freedom of religion? Well, like,
[4:47:51] Speaker 1: I don't know, what do you think, Christina.
[4:47:55] Speaker 2: Separate religion and state? Separate? Eave it's separate and stop
[4:48:01] Speaker 2: trying to marry the two. We don't have a We
[4:48:03] Speaker 2: don't have a society that it should or you know,
[4:48:08] Speaker 2: should even entertain that.
[4:48:10] Speaker 1: Friends, there's nothing wrong with having a religion. I'm perfectly
[4:48:13] Speaker 1: okay living in a country where people are allowed to
[4:48:15] Speaker 1: have a religion, but like, it should never be in
[4:48:18] Speaker 1: the government. We should never be enforcing it from the
[4:48:20] Speaker 1: top down. Just shouldn't happen. Doctor Persimmon says, I need
[4:48:25] Speaker 1: MS to start doing ASMR and I would tune in
[4:48:28] Speaker 1: for that absolutely, And Johanna says, but if there's no God,
[4:48:32] Speaker 1: I'm not a special boy. That is kind of how
[4:48:36] Speaker 1: people feel about it, uh, Doctor doctor g Numbers travel
[4:48:41] Speaker 1: box is Oh though, James Webb space they'll go sorry
[4:48:46] Speaker 1: yet smart people would have caught that. I'm sorry, I'm
[4:48:49] Speaker 1: not smart, guys. I studied electricity in the Bible. Those
[4:48:53] Speaker 1: are my areas of knowledge. Everything outside of that, I'm
[4:48:57] Speaker 1: a waste. Johanna says new Skins. There isn't a schism. Indeed,
[4:49:02] Speaker 1: the johanns the only schism I can get behind it
[4:49:05] Speaker 1: that there is no schism, and friends, that is we're
[4:49:09] Speaker 1: basically out of time. We went through all the supers
[4:49:12] Speaker 1: I had in my list, and we've got one point
[4:49:14] Speaker 1: one nine let's see update. We've got one point two
[4:49:17] Speaker 1: one thousand followers on Christina's YouTube. Thank you so much,
[4:49:22] Speaker 1: so much for being dedicated to the community of friends,
[4:49:27] Speaker 1: and we want to see Christina blow up on YouTube
[4:49:29] Speaker 1: and uh oh no, we're getting adult and rate as
[4:49:32] Speaker 1: we're closing down. Sorry guys, Sorry, we love you, but
[4:49:36] Speaker 1: we were ending the stream. Listen Christina, I can't tell
[4:49:40] Speaker 1: you she stayed up. She should be sleeping right now.
[4:49:43] Speaker 1: She stayed up late to be with us tonight. She's
[4:49:46] Speaker 1: waking at three in the morning, and so she's not
[4:49:48] Speaker 1: gonna lot of sleep. So make sure you're following her
[4:49:51] Speaker 1: channel and showing her lots of love. We really appreciate it. Christina.
[4:49:54] Speaker 1: I can't thank you enough for joining me tonight for me,
[4:49:59] Speaker 1: and I'm sure it will be in contact soon.
[4:50:01] Speaker 2: Absolutely. Thank you so much. Thank you to everybody that
[4:50:05] Speaker 2: you know. Gift It followed me on YouTube and followed
[4:50:08] Speaker 2: me on TikTok hopefully, ill I gotta get a video together.
[4:50:11] Speaker 2: I'm gonna be ending all day tomorrow because i owe
[4:50:14] Speaker 2: you all the video at one point too. Okay, I
[4:50:17] Speaker 2: owe you guys a video for sure, so I'll get
[4:50:19] Speaker 2: on that for y'all.
[4:50:21] Speaker 1: One of the things you could do that Dalton did
[4:50:22] Speaker 1: when he first started his channel is he went to
[4:50:25] Speaker 1: TikTok and just downloaded a couple of his live streams
[4:50:28] Speaker 1: and uploaded some of the live streams. Your live streams
[4:50:30] Speaker 1: are super entertaining, you can definitely. That's how I started
[4:50:33] Speaker 1: to I just uploaded some of my live streams and
[4:50:35] Speaker 1: then I started making like original content. But like, if
[4:50:39] Speaker 1: you upload a couple of your live streams, your live
[4:50:41] Speaker 1: for a couple of hours at a pop, you'll hit
[4:50:43] Speaker 1: your three thousand watch hours pretty quick.
[4:50:47] Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, because my lives go about five hours five
[4:50:50] Speaker 2: and a half hours, so yeah, yep.
[4:50:53] Speaker 1: So if you if if you know, if one thousand
[4:50:55] Speaker 1: people watched three of your streams, you know, maybe not
[4:50:59] Speaker 1: even the full stream, you'll hit your two thousand pretty
[4:51:01] Speaker 1: quick because the long form content really gets your hours up.
[4:51:04] Speaker 1: But friends, when she hits new Matron on the channel,
[4:51:07] Speaker 1: make sure and watch her. Let's get her over the
[4:51:08] Speaker 1: three thousand watch hours and let's let's get her YouTube
[4:51:12] Speaker 1: channel running. We are excited for this and sorry about
[4:51:15] Speaker 1: the raid. Yeah, I know people are still coming in.
[4:51:17] Speaker 1: Sorry about Dalton raid, but we're ending. But friends, thank
[4:51:19] Speaker 1: you so much. We love you and we'll see you
[4:51:21] Speaker 1: again on Wednesday

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